| Thursday, October 7th, 2010, 00:03 UTC | ||
| [00:03:10] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: seems i made a fatal error |
| [00:03:46] | wagnerrp: | my boot initrd is designed with the iscsi disk always as sda |
| [00:03:54] | wagnerrp: | if theres another disk in the system, it fails |
| [00:04:03] | Beirdo: | oooops |
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| [00:06:03] | wagnerrp: | oof... and it seems my alternate recording disk failed... bunch of 0b files |
| [00:07:47] | wagnerrp: | ill bet it was file permissions |
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| [00:24:41] | ** wagnerrp is being a bad boy and deleting entries from `oldrecorded` ** | |
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| [00:53:12] | stoth: | Beirdo: A couple of small patches in saa7164-v4l today. They test fine for me. |
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| [01:12:26] | Beirdo: | cool, thanks, I'll take a look in a bit :) |
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| [02:20:07] | Beirdo: | this is... odd |
| [02:20:30] | Beirdo: | I put in arctic silver.... sensors is saying a higher temp? |
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| [02:21:07] | wagnerrp: | bad application? |
| [02:21:16] | wagnerrp: | too thick, or blotchy? |
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| [02:21:55] | Beirdo: | don't think so... I had an even layer over the top of the entire processor |
| [02:22:01] | Beirdo: | thin even layer |
| [02:23:56] | Beirdo: | I'll give it a moment... |
| [02:24:06] | Beirdo: | it's saying it's idling at 65C |
| [02:24:13] | Beirdo: | doesn't sound right |
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| [02:24:20] | mishehu: | sounds like it's time to bake with it |
| [02:24:21] | Beirdo: | used to say 45C |
| [02:24:41] | mishehu: | sounds like my Deathstar harddrives |
| [02:24:52] | mishehu: | they run hot as sh*t |
| [02:24:56] | wagnerrp: | what processor is this? |
| [02:24:56] | Beirdo: | this is a new i7 processor |
| [02:25:04] | Beirdo: | i7–860 |
| [02:25:24] | Beirdo: | better airflow in there too |
| [02:25:36] | Beirdo: | maybe it really IS 65C |
| [02:25:51] | Beirdo: | as long as it doesn't go higher under load, I don't mind that |
| [02:26:19] | Beirdo: | I don't really trust the sensors output though |
| [02:26:30] | Beirdo: | it said 45C – 104C before |
| [02:26:50] | Beirdo: | yes, above boiling at 100% load... which is why I do NOT believe the scaling |
| [02:27:42] | wagnerrp: | why did hey remake the karate kid? |
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| [02:28:39] | Beirdo: | no clue |
| [02:28:48] | Beirdo: | OK fine, I'll do this AGAIN! |
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| [02:52:35] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [02:52:37] | Beirdo: | that's better |
| [02:57:05] | Beirdo: | somewhat better |
| [02:57:34] | Beirdo: | it's still saying 104C |
| [02:57:47] | Beirdo: | put I can tell ya, it's NOT that hot in there |
| [02:59:07] | dewman: | Beirdo, maybe check to see if there is a bios update for the mb that corrects wack temp readings... |
| [02:59:22] | Beirdo: | this is the latest BIOS |
| [02:59:59] | dewman: | just a thought... |
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| [03:07:53] | Beirdo: | OK time to give up on sensors for the moment... and close this puppy up |
| [03:18:10] | Beirdo: | it's like the stupid heatsink isn't getting fully engaged or something |
| [03:18:14] | Beirdo: | I don't get it |
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| [04:22:02] | Beirdo: | OK, I think I get it now |
| [04:22:06] | Beirdo: | this driver needs work |
| [04:22:27] | Beirdo: | it won't let me tell it that it's actually a diode or transistor |
| [04:22:45] | Beirdo: | and always reads back as a thermistor |
| [04:23:03] | Beirdo: | which is silly as I'm sure this input ISN'T a thermistor |
| [04:23:11] | Beirdo: | which is why it seems to saturate |
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| [04:30:06] | wagnerrp: | im wondering if we should remove the 'gencutlist' option from mythcommflag |
| [04:30:17] | wagnerrp: | it serves no good purpose |
| [04:30:43] | iamlindoro: | if you are someone who wants to trust commflagging and cut at those points, it's the only way to script it |
| [04:32:17] | wagnerrp: | exactly |
| [04:32:36] | iamlindoro: | So why would we remove it? |
| [04:33:05] | iamlindoro: | It doesn't harm anything to have it, there are a substantial number of people who want to just automatically lossless transcode at commercial cut points, and it's the only way to do it |
| [04:33:27] | wagnerrp: | i just dont see how it can do anything but harm |
| [04:33:53] | iamlindoro: | It doesn't do harm any time commercial flagging is accurate |
| [04:34:11] | iamlindoro: | I don't see a compelling argument to remove it out of spite |
| [04:34:49] | Beirdo: | yeah, I don't either |
| [04:34:54] | wagnerrp: | ill wait until i see the outcome of this... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/help-commercial-rem . . . 4-mp4-13828/ |
| [04:35:06] | iamlindoro: | And since we don't automatically do it, the person has to script it themselves and accept the risk-- and anyone who strings those steps together knows what they are getting in to-- so why would we remove it? Especially since it's a command line item and not a confusing UI option |
| [04:35:33] | Beirdo: | not an non-confusing UI option either ;) |
| [04:35:50] | Beirdo: | we have plenty of both, currently |
| [04:35:59] | wagnerrp: | not sure why that user thinks they need their database information in that script either |
| [04:36:25] | Beirdo: | that will be their problem once the db is embedded, won't it? |
| [04:36:48] | wagnerrp: | the user makes note that the database password is correct, and that he checked |
| [04:36:57] | wagnerrp: | but... its not actually used /anywhere/ in the script |
| [04:37:01] | iamlindoro: | It's also possible that the user isn't transcoding from an MPEG-2 source |
| [04:37:05] | Beirdo: | 03:00.0 SATA controller: JMicron Technology Corp. JMB360 AHCI Controller (rev 02) |
| [04:37:06] | wagnerrp: | it never touches the database |
| [04:37:11] | iamlindoro: | in which case he'd have the behavior he describes |
| [04:37:17] | Beirdo: | yay to working MiniPCIE SATA controller |
| [04:38:53] | Beirdo: | oh wait |
| [04:39:00] | Beirdo: | 02:00.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3132 Serial ATA Raid II Controller (rev 01) |
| [04:39:06] | Beirdo: | that's the minipcie card :) |
| [04:39:15] | Beirdo: | the other one's something odd I don't get |
| [04:39:52] | Beirdo: | it shows a 6-port controller plut the jmicron JMB360 |
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| [04:40:14] | Beirdo: | oooh, maybe the JMB is the eSATA on the backplate? |
| [04:40:18] | [R]: | wagnerrp: can i mark a video as watched from the python bindings? |
| [04:40:41] | wagnerrp: | sure |
| [04:40:49] | wagnerrp: | do you have the video object? |
| [04:40:53] | [R]: | yes |
| [04:40:56] | wagnerrp: | video or recording? |
| [04:41:03] | [R]: | video |
| [04:41:10] | Beirdo: | PCIE->SATA II, single port. yeah that would be the eSATA, I guess |
| [04:41:38] | wagnerrp: | vid.update(watched=True), or vid.watched=True; vid.update() |
| [04:41:45] | [R]: | ah sweet |
| [04:42:07] | wagnerrp: | the python bindings are their base are just simple object mapping |
| [04:42:17] | [R]: | gonna set the delete handler for videos to be mark as watched |
| [04:42:20] | wagnerrp: | one field in the database can be accessed as a dictionary field or class attribute |
| [04:42:48] | wagnerrp: | in mythfs? |
| [04:42:55] | wagnerrp: | thats.... probably bad |
| [04:42:56] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:42:57] | [R]: | why? |
| [04:43:05] | wagnerrp: | unless youre going to subsequently hide the shows if they are watched |
| [04:43:14] | [R]: | nah |
| [04:43:20] | [R]: | althoug htaht would be a good idea |
| [04:43:24] | wagnerrp: | i just dont know what it will do if you tell it to delete, and it doesnt |
| [04:43:42] | wagnerrp: | fuse and/or the normal filesystem routines |
| [04:43:53] | [R]: | well it seems to work fine for the delete handler for recordings |
| [04:44:23] | [R]: | it doesnt delete right away and everyhting is fine |
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| [04:45:54] | [R]: | anwyay, back to law and order |
| [04:48:21] | squidly: | does myth support ipv6 yet? |
| [04:48:29] | Beirdo: | ls -h /proc/kcore |
| [04:48:39] | Beirdo: | -r-------- 1 root root 128T 2010-10–06 21:48 kcore |
| [04:48:43] | Beirdo: | niiice |
| [04:48:50] | Beirdo: | squidly: no, it doesn't |
| [04:49:02] | Beirdo: | were you the person who asked that last week? :) |
| [04:49:10] | squidly: | Beirdo: nope |
| [04:49:16] | Beirdo: | k :) |
| [04:49:28] | Beirdo: | was going to say... hasn't changed in a week. hehe |
| [04:49:33] | [R]: | Beirdo: that was me |
| [04:49:37] | [R]: | :) |
| [04:49:41] | Beirdo: | fair enough |
| [04:49:57] | Beirdo: | I have vested interest in making it work eventually |
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| [04:50:16] | squidly: | lol |
| [04:50:24] | squidly: | yea I think everyone does at some point |
| [04:50:46] | Beirdo: | as in, I use IPv6 |
| [04:50:59] | [R]: | yeah... everyone needs ipv6 on their lan! |
| [04:51:05] | squidly: | lol [R] |
| [04:51:19] | squidly: | I keep hearing that it's better for things like filesharing and what not. |
| [04:51:20] | [R]: | i know i have more than 254 hosts |
| [04:51:31] | [R]: | wtf does that mean |
| [04:51:37] | Beirdo: | it's a lot better for avoiding NATs |
| [04:51:44] | [R]: | and i definatly have more than an A class can hold |
| [04:51:52] | Beirdo: | as long as yer dang tunnel stays up |
| [04:51:58] | [R]: | Beirdo: THAT'S what she said |
| [04:52:14] | Beirdo: | my linode had tunnel issues today... on the IPv4 side, in fact |
| [04:52:29] | squidly: | Beirdo: that is helpfull. but they did bring nat back in ipv6 |
| [04:52:36] | [R]: | what size block does one usually get from a tunnel? |
| [04:52:48] | Beirdo: | you have absolutely no need for NAT in IP6 |
| [04:53:03] | Beirdo: | [R]: either /48 or /64 depending on provider |
| [04:53:09] | [R]: | that's a lot isn't it? |
| [04:53:10] | squidly: | [R]: depends on the provider |
| [04:53:32] | Beirdo: | umm, a /48 is a bigger network than all of IPv4 put together |
| [04:53:44] | [R]: | ipv6 seems so excessive |
| [04:53:49] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [04:53:51] | [R]: | when consumer isps start handing them out |
| [04:53:54] | [R]: | i wonder how much they'll give |
| [04:53:59] | [R]: | i heard comcast might be doing trials? |
| [04:53:59] | wagnerrp: | [R]: thats the point |
| [04:54:03] | wagnerrp: | it /is/ excessive |
| [04:54:10] | wagnerrp: | such that we will never have to go through this again |
| [04:54:13] | Beirdo: | it's meant to be excessive |
| [04:54:15] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:54:26] | squidly: | to say the least. |
| [04:54:43] | ** Beirdo loves having complete control over his IP space ** | |
| [04:54:50] | squidly: | APNIC just got a couple more A blocks no that long algo |
| [04:55:01] | Beirdo: | static IP space FTW |
| [04:55:11] | squidly: | hah Beirdo |
| [04:56:11] | [R]: | for some reason my laptop decides it wants to run my fan at full blast all the time |
| [04:56:18] | [R]: | the good part is it keeps my cpu cool... the bad part is its noisy |
| [04:57:31] | squidly: | hah |
| [04:57:34] | squidly: | what type of lappy? |
| [04:57:54] | [R]: | toshiba |
| [04:58:10] | [R]: | it used to be fine... only started happening last week or so |
| [04:58:33] | squidly: | my fiancee's laptop had an issue like that |
| [04:58:37] | squidly: | just before it died |
| [04:58:51] | squidly: | it died from my son though.. not from a cpu fan going nuts |
| [04:58:57] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:59:01] | [R]: | its fine when i first turn it on |
| [04:59:08] | [R]: | but after i sleep and wakeup, thats when it starts happneing |
| [04:59:17] | [R]: | it keeps the cpu at a nice 49 degrees though |
| [04:59:27] | [R]: | used to get up to high 50s |
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| [05:07:53] | oobe: | I have a recent problem where trying to play certain seemlingly random videos in mythvideo causes mythfrontend to crash its not specific to a codec or file name as it happens randomly so i tried removed the affected videos rescanning then re adding them and it fixes it |
| [05:08:16] | oobe: | does anyone have ideas what could be coursing this its really annoying |
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| [05:09:20] | [R]: | file a bug report with a backtrace |
| [05:09:37] | [R]: | http://ipv6.he.net/v4ex/sidebar/ |
| [05:09:40] | [R]: | such dramatics |
| [05:09:48] | [R]: | what happens after 238 days... does the world end? |
| [05:10:36] | Beirdo: | [R]: at current burn rate, should they not reclaim more A-class, etc... we run out of IPs |
| [05:11:00] | [R]: | didn't there used to be a tunnel that would give you an ipv6 w/o having to sign up... coulda sworn i used it years ago |
| [05:11:13] | Beirdo: | at which point, those of us on dynamic IP could potentially lose our leases at times |
| [05:11:24] | Beirdo: | just sign up, stop being silly |
| [05:11:43] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:11:55] | wagnerrp: | aww... WTF Greg Maus... |
| [05:11:58] | Beirdo: | and no, there is no tunnel broker that will allow anonymous tunnels |
| [05:12:04] | Beirdo: | nor should they |
| [05:12:16] | [R]: | there used to be |
| [05:12:19] | [R]: | i swear it |
| [05:12:20] | Beirdo: | if they do, it will not get you a netblock, only a single IP |
| [05:12:39] | Beirdo: | to get a netblock, they MUST have personal info for the records |
| [05:12:46] | [R]: | yeah, i think it was only a signle |
| [05:13:11] | Beirdo: | I think there may still be one like that somewhere |
| [05:13:17] | [R]: | but then i think back to why exactly i need an ipv |
| [05:13:18] | [R]: | 6 |
| [05:13:21] | Beirdo: | but not much point other than to play |
| [05:13:26] | [R]: | and aside from seeing the dancing kame... i can't think of anything |
| [05:13:49] | Beirdo: | heh. better access to google |
| [05:14:06] | Beirdo: | like you'd notice |
| [05:14:08] | [R]: | freenet6 |
| [05:14:15] | [R]: | aparently if you signup for gogonet, than you get to be anonymous |
| [05:14:19] | [R]: | but you still have to sign up for somethign |
| [05:14:20] | [R]: | BLAH |
| [05:14:26] | Beirdo: | you have to sign up |
| [05:14:31] | Beirdo: | live with it ;) |
| [05:14:42] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:14:43] | [R]: | never! |
| [05:15:01] | [R]: | why does comcast have to kick so much cox butt in ipv6 land |
| [05:15:03] | ** [R] smacks cox ** | |
| [05:15:07] | Beirdo: | I wouldn't use any tunnel broker that allows anonymous access anyways |
| [05:15:17] | Beirdo: | OK that sounds just... wrong. |
| [05:15:22] | Beirdo: | no smacking cox |
| [05:15:33] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:15:54] | [R]: | see, a new version of openwrt is imminent... and it has ipv6 goodness in it aparently |
| [05:16:04] | Beirdo: | openwrt-- |
| [05:16:07] | Beirdo: | anyways :) |
| [05:16:08] | [R]: | why the hate? |
| [05:16:31] | Beirdo: | people think it's all so great... but meh :) |
| [05:16:34] | wagnerrp: | why the love? |
| [05:16:41] | [R]: | http://blog.dontcallmyboss.com/2008/08/cox-co . . . ons-wow.html |
| [05:16:42] | [R]: | ROFL |
| [05:16:52] | [R]: | well it's immensly better than dd-wrt |
| [05:16:58] | ** wagnerrp never found the fascination with systems with marginal memory ** | |
| [05:17:14] | wagnerrp: | no storage, no memory, little power |
| [05:17:15] | [R]: | its not like i have 1000's of connectinos going |
| [05:17:23] | [R]: | what do i need storage on a router |
| [05:17:45] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you will never be an embedded designer with that attitude |
| [05:17:47] | wagnerrp: | storage of metrics? |
| [05:18:00] | [R]: | what kind of metrics |
| [05:18:03] | wagnerrp: | firewall block logs? |
| [05:18:09] | [R]: | remote logs! |
| [05:18:38] | wagnerrp: | a router that isnt self sufficient is of little worth |
| [05:18:55] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:18:59] | [R]: | well i make no logs |
| [05:19:05] | [R]: | so my $20 router suits me fine |
| [05:19:44] | [R]: | MemTotal: 13160 kB |
| [05:19:50] | [R]: | how does that even make sense... it's not a round number |
| [05:20:31] | wagnerrp: | i could see 12.6, but not 13.1 |
| [05:20:41] | [R]: | http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20827811-Will-cox-run-ipv6 |
| [05:20:46] | [R]: | does that question make any sense to you? |
| [05:20:54] | kormoc: | [R], ate up by the kernel |
| [05:21:01] | [R]: | kormoc: om nom nom? |
| [05:21:14] | Beirdo: | [R]: urmom? |
| [05:21:15] | kormoc: | kernel can has memory? |
| [05:21:21] | [R]: | great theory |
| [05:21:27] | [R]: | but alas i have no kernel log logging |
| [05:21:33] | [R]: | and my dmesg is flooded by ath5k crap |
| [05:22:01] | wagnerrp: | ikyuao from kansas has been watching too much anime, his english has suffered |
| [05:22:18] | [R]: | wagnerrp: haha |
| [05:22:21] | Beirdo: | gah, moronic forums |
| [05:22:30] | Beirdo: | !trout [R] forums |
| [05:22:30] | ** MythLogBot slaps [R] with a forums trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [05:22:43] | [R]: | dslreports is reputable... sorta |
| [05:22:54] | Beirdo: | still has tards posting |
| [05:23:04] | wagnerrp: | its like he wrote it out in japanese, and had google translate it |
| [05:23:13] | Beirdo: | if I wanted to rot my brain, I'd go drink beer |
| [05:23:16] | wagnerrp: | by way of spanish and swedish, for good measure |
| [05:23:20] | [R]: | wagnerrp: haha |
| [05:24:30] | [R]: | http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r24249639- |
| [05:24:46] | [R]: | ffs... two years |
| [05:24:50] | wagnerrp: | what does his signature even mean? |
| [05:25:43] | [R]: | whos what signature? |
| [05:25:54] | [R]: | oh... the firs tguy |
| [05:28:34] | [R]: | Cox has established an IPv6 Migration Program to make sure that all Cox networks, systems, and products have IPv6 compatibility so that when the IPv4 addresses are exhausted, we will continue our business operations without interruption. |
| [05:28:37] | [R]: | LIES... ALL LIES |
| [05:28:53] | [R]: | its being exhasted in 238 days and they have no mention of any plans so far... |
| [05:30:09] | wagnerrp: | to be fair, full exhaustion wont hit for several years |
| [05:30:26] | wagnerrp: | US ISPs arent consuming them very fast |
| [05:30:35] | wagnerrp: | they all have huge unused allotments |
| [05:30:58] | [R]: | oh :( |
| [05:31:09] | wagnerrp: | there will just be an increasing amount of the internet those users wont be able to access |
| [05:31:31] | wagnerrp: | of course all major companies will probably continue hosting their pages on IP4 for the next decade |
| [05:31:46] | wagnerrp: | so... you will just start to lose access to smaller hosts, and individual users |
| [05:32:41] | Beirdo: | I'm sure that the world will implode for some |
| [05:33:40] | Beirdo: | IPv6-haters are like the people who complained when telephone numbers went from like 6 digits or so to 10 in North America :) |
| [05:34:10] | Beirdo: | sure, you can still call mom, but you can't call most people any more |
| [05:34:14] | wagnerrp: | IPv6 haters are those who dont have their own DNS servers |
| [05:34:22] | Beirdo: | that too |
| [05:36:39] | ** Beirdo yawns and wanders off to find a snack ** | |
| [05:37:00] | wagnerrp: | well im on the home stretch |
| [05:37:09] | wagnerrp: | got the last 25GB of home to move off my old RAID |
| [05:37:41] | wagnerrp: | then ill try to bring my big array back online |
| [05:39:37] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:40:10] | Beirdo: | oh... I fixed the LEDs on the new backend box too |
| [05:40:19] | Beirdo: | had em connected backwards |
| [05:40:28] | Beirdo: | wish I hadn't... power LED is blue. |
| [05:40:39] | wagnerrp: | heh, ive got a system sitting next to me with that problem |
| [05:40:48] | wagnerrp: | can only tell its on by a slight increase in fan noise |
| [05:41:05] | Beirdo: | heh, I can't hear this box... at all |
| [05:41:18] | Beirdo: | not even in a silent room with my head next to it |
| [05:41:38] | Beirdo: | now that the chirpy drives are gone, it is *silent* :) |
| [05:42:11] | wagnerrp: | my desktop is effectively silent except for the graphics card |
| [05:42:19] | wagnerrp: | that things pretty noisy, and getting worse |
| [05:42:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:42:33] | Beirdo: | this box has no video card :) |
| [05:43:50] | wagnerrp: | shame no one makes 'heatpipe kits' like they do for watercooling |
| [05:44:01] | Beirdo: | I think they might |
| [05:44:08] | [R]: | wagnerrp: black friday last year compusa had the logitech harmony one on sale for like 110... i'm so psyched to get it |
| [05:44:21] | Beirdo: | but I'm not an uber-gamer, so I never bother to look when I see that kinda stuff |
| [05:44:32] | Beirdo: | oh no |
| [05:44:35] | wagnerrp: | give people blocks, a bunch of long pipes, some crimpers, a spool to bend the pipes around do you dont break them |
| [05:44:39] | Beirdo: | Black Friday... |
| [05:44:47] | ** Beirdo runs away screaming ** | |
| [05:44:53] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:45:00] | wagnerrp: | [R]: i dont really like the look of the One |
| [05:45:07] | [R]: | i think it looks sexy |
| [05:45:08] | Beirdo: | I spend too much money as it is |
| [05:45:10] | wagnerrp: | i much prefer my 880s |
| [05:45:14] | [R]: | two guys at my work have it and love it |
| [05:45:29] | [R]: | well... had... both broke theirs |
| [05:45:49] | wagnerrp: | thats the other thing, i was a bit disappointed by their life span |
| [05:45:58] | [R]: | well the first guy was pet related |
| [05:45:59] | wagnerrp: | both of mine broke after 3–3.5 years |
| [05:46:02] | Beirdo: | stop sitting on them! |
| [05:46:05] | [R]: | the second guy stepped on it |
| [05:46:13] | wagnerrp: | they still work... but some keys stop functioning |
| [05:46:21] | wagnerrp: | and i couldnt figure out how to fix that by opening them up |
| [05:46:34] | [R]: | well i've had my kameleon for like 3 years |
| [05:47:13] | Beirdo: | ever notice that the best remotes are rather phallic? |
| [05:47:21] | [R]: | rofl |
| [05:47:24] | Beirdo: | no wonder guys never want to put the remote down |
| [05:47:30] | [R]: | Beirdo: get the harmony 1100 |
| [05:47:33] | wagnerrp: | how else would they be shaped? |
| [05:47:34] | [R]: | its huge |
| [05:47:39] | [R]: | but squarish |
| [05:47:44] | wagnerrp: | the big square ones dont really fit in your hand well |
| [05:47:53] | Beirdo: | that's what she said |
| [05:47:57] | wagnerrp: | you need one to hold it, and one to press buttons |
| [05:47:59] | wagnerrp: | they suck |
| [05:48:07] | [R]: | but the whole thing is a touch screen |
| [05:48:09] | [R]: | dead sexy |
| [05:48:10] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'll pass |
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| [05:48:31] | [R]: | so mythtv was being too efficient today |
| [05:48:33] | [R]: | no matter how hard i tried |
| [05:48:38] | [R]: | i could not get it to record south park at 10 |
| [05:48:49] | [R]: | yes... i could have forcibly told it not to record the other shows at 10 |
| [05:48:51] | Beirdo: | it grew some taste, did it? |
| [05:48:52] | [R]: | but thats besides the point |
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| [05:50:02] | [R]: | so i want to be able to turn on my wii and skip past the health warning with my computer |
| [05:50:27] | [R]: | i have a program to maek a computer act as a hid device... but i can't figure out the power button... i found a reference to what the power button on the remote does being a huge secret |
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| [05:53:06] | ** Beirdo hides [R] HID device ** | |
| [05:53:37] | Beirdo: | wow, that hard drive LED sure stays active :) |
| [05:53:48] | Beirdo: | recording 4 shows right now... and playing one back |
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| [06:48:46] | wagnerrp: | so final tally... |
| [06:49:00] | wagnerrp: | ive got one 750GB toast, seagate, already refurbed once |
| [06:49:10] | wagnerrp: | one of the 750 samsungs de-synced |
| [06:49:19] | wagnerrp: | so im critical on 5TB of data waiting to rebuild |
| [06:49:31] | wagnerrp: | and one of my 2TBs is 'funky', not sure whats wrong with it |
| [06:50:14] | blizzard`: | mmm |
| [06:50:20] | blizzard`: | im having an odd problem |
| [06:50:33] | blizzard`: | sata devices suddenly begins to get IO errors |
| [06:50:51] | blizzard`: | thus not the same devices each time |
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| [06:51:17] | blizzard`: | its intermittent, and travels between disks at occations, even brand new disks |
| [06:51:26] | blizzard`: | reminds me of your problem somehow |
| [06:52:01] | wagnerrp: | seems ive got a ~15hr rebuild ahead of me |
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| [06:57:13] | _totalann: | wagnerrp: what was that usb capture that does hd and analog? |
| [06:57:21] | wagnerrp: | HDPVR? |
| [06:57:26] | _totalann: | not that one |
| [06:57:30] | _totalann: | little white square |
| [06:57:44] | _totalann: | it is a hauppauge thou |
| [06:58:07] | wagnerrp: | HDPVR |
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| [06:58:28] | wagnerrp: | that is the /only/ device hauppauge makes that does HD analog |
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| [06:58:53] | _totalann: | found it |
| [06:58:58] | _totalann: | the HVR1950 doesnt? |
| [06:59:04] | wagnerrp: | if you are referring to the 1950, it does not do HD |
| [06:59:18] | wagnerrp: | it does digital and standard definition analog |
| [06:59:34] | _totalann: | thats what i meant |
| [06:59:41] | _totalann: | but doesnt it recv hd digital channels? |
| [06:59:59] | _totalann: | nm |
| [07:00:02] | _totalann: | im retarded |
| [07:00:04] | _totalann: | ty |
| [07:00:06] | wagnerrp: | hmm... $20 for advanced RMA shipping |
| [07:00:09] | ** _totalann nods ** | |
| [07:00:19] | wagnerrp: | correct... digital is digital, there is no HD or SD, only bandwidth |
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| [07:00:40] | wagnerrp: | and every ATSC tuner i have ever seen has been able to manage the full 19.4mbps possible according to the spec |
| [07:01:18] | _totalann: | right on |
| [07:01:24] | wagnerrp: | there /were/ some very old DVB tuners that were on USB1.1, and incapable of the bitrates typically used for HD digital content |
| [07:01:38] | _totalann: | just forcasted some $$$ in my future so im thinking about getting 1 or 2 |
| [07:01:58] | wagnerrp: | cant do PCI tuners? the 1950 is quite expensive |
| [07:02:27] | _totalann: | no passthru support for the virtual side :-D |
| [07:02:59] | wagnerrp: | cant do real computers? virtualization is quite pointless for most of the times it is used |
| [07:03:15] | _totalann: | I dont see why you say that |
| [07:03:26] | _totalann: | we are talking about a computer that stays on 24/7 |
| [07:03:33] | _totalann: | not maxing out loads |
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| [07:03:51] | wagnerrp: | the /only/ use for virtualization is for when you need to run multiple different operating systems on a single machine |
| [07:04:03] | _totalann: | sigh |
| [07:04:11] | _totalann: | there are sooo many uses for virtualization |
| [07:04:19] | _totalann: | cuts hardware costs |
| [07:04:25] | kormoc: | bah |
| [07:04:25] | _totalann: | cuts power costs |
| [07:04:26] | wagnerrp: | no, there are very few uses for /full/ virtualization |
| [07:04:31] | kormoc: | it's all a balancing act |
| [07:04:32] | wagnerrp: | there are so many uses for isolation |
| [07:04:41] | _totalann: | lol |
| [07:04:47] | kormoc: | it's not cut and dry in ether way |
| [07:04:48] | wagnerrp: | which do not require the giant hammer of full system virtualization |
| [07:04:57] | wagnerrp: | its the 'easy' way out |
| [07:04:57] | _totalann: | i agree kormoc |
| [07:04:59] | wagnerrp: | nothing more |
| [07:05:07] | _totalann: | i have the resources already |
| [07:05:13] | _totalann: | i dont want to have to go buy another pc |
| [07:05:22] | kormoc: | _totalann, so just install mbe on the raw hardware? |
| [07:05:28] | _totalann: | when i have the resources right here |
| [07:05:28] | wagnerrp: | does it run linux currently? |
| [07:05:30] | kormoc: | we're fairly good about being light and isolated |
| [07:05:40] | _totalann: | does what run linux? |
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| [07:05:45] | wagnerrp: | your current PC |
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| [07:05:56] | _totalann: | my current "pc" runs win7 |
| [07:06:10] | wagnerrp: | see, now there is a proper use of virtualization |
| [07:06:18] | Beirdo: | muhahahah |
| [07:06:19] | _totalann: | my server runs esxi |
| [07:06:34] | _totalann: | Which virtualizes about 10 servers |
| [07:06:34] | Beirdo: | OK, I found a way to ask the processor itself for the temp of each core |
| [07:06:44] | Beirdo: | i7z, neat little tool |
| [07:06:50] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: ACPI? |
| [07:06:57] | Beirdo: | nope. MSR |
| [07:07:03] | wagnerrp: | ACPI should list four independent thermal zones, one for each core |
| [07:07:08] | Beirdo: | it's actually asking the processor |
| [07:07:16] | wagnerrp: | _totalann: are you going to be running mythtv on your PC or server? |
| [07:07:23] | Beirdo: | I don't see any thermal zones in ACPI for some reaon |
| [07:07:29] | _totalann: | server |
| [07:07:31] | _totalann: | lol |
| [07:07:43] | wagnerrp: | does your server have any VMs besides linux? |
| [07:07:49] | _totalann: | yes |
| [07:08:03] | _totalann: | few bsd, some windoze |
| [07:08:23] | Beirdo: | holy crap |
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| [07:08:39] | _totalann: | also runs a OSX |
| [07:08:45] | Beirdo: | temperatures do get up to nearly 100C at the junction, it seems |
| [07:09:00] | _totalann: | Windows 3.11 |
| [07:09:00] | Beirdo: | unless this is also inaccurate |
| [07:09:33] | wagnerrp: | that seems awfully high |
| [07:09:40] | wagnerrp: | this is on the stock heatsink and fan? |
| [07:09:47] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [07:09:48] | kormoc: | 100C is high |
| [07:09:50] | wagnerrp: | you havent done anything in the motherboard to force it to run slow? |
| [07:09:55] | Beirdo: | but this is instantaneous |
| [07:10:06] | Beirdo: | no, of course not |
| [07:10:29] | wagnerrp: | so texas to kentucky... think ill get it by friday? |
| [07:10:34] | Beirdo: | i7z shows the average actual frequency over the last second for each core |
| [07:10:46] | kormoc: | Beirdo, http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=37151 |
| [07:10:55] | kormoc: | 67.9C is your typical max |
| [07:11:11] | Beirdo: | and % of time spent in C0, C1, C3, C6, and a temperature that's being calculated somehow |
| [07:11:19] | wagnerrp: | listed as 1–2 day shipping |
| [07:11:51] | Beirdo: | that's TCase |
| [07:12:01] | Beirdo: | what I'm reading is Tjunction |
| [07:12:19] | Beirdo: | and it rapidly changes |
| [07:12:29] | kormoc: | that seems unlikely to be correct |
| [07:12:43] | kormoc: | as that heat isn't just disappearing.... |
| [07:12:51] | Beirdo: | agreed |
| [07:12:58] | Beirdo: | it does seem odd |
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| [07:15:19] | kormoc: | at Tjunction 95C, all i7's will scale down, at tJunction 100C, all i7's will shutdown the core |
| [07:17:01] | kormoc: | oh wow |
| [07:17:14] | kormoc: | that's only for mobiles, the desktop procs don't have the termal shutdown hardware |
| [07:17:17] | kormoc: | that's really crappy |
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| [07:18:07] | Beirdo: | well, I'm downloading the manual the dude used to do this calc |
| [07:18:21] | Beirdo: | but intel is super-slow, so give me a moment |
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| [07:21:48] | wagnerrp: | any suggestions on how to figure out what disk was just created by iscsi? |
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| [07:21:59] | wagnerrp: | im doing this pre-boot, so i dont have udev to tell me |
| [07:22:00] | Beirdo: | no clue |
| [07:22:02] | Beirdo: | dmesg? |
| [07:22:10] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats what i was thinking |
| [07:22:21] | wagnerrp: | grep it out of dmesg |
| [07:22:57] | wagnerrp: | heh... busybox has one of those too |
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| [07:29:18] | Beirdo: | OK, this is reading the digital sensor in the core itself |
| [07:36:09] | Beirdo: | how odd. the DTS gives a temperature relative to TCC (max temp) |
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| [07:44:23] | Beirdo: | yup, he's calculating it right according to Intel docs |
| [07:47:56] | wagnerrp: | hehe... "busybox sed -e '/\[[ .0–9]*\] scsi\([0–9]*\) : iSCSI Initiator over TCP\/IP/\!d; s/.* scsi//; s/ :.*//; 2q'" pulls the bus ID |
| [07:48:17] | Beirdo: | Prochot = 99C |
| [07:48:21] | Beirdo: | on this processor |
| [07:48:40] | Beirdo: | i.e. TCC |
| [07:53:10] | Beirdo: | wow |
| [07:53:22] | Beirdo: | Intel, you truly impress me |
| [07:54:15] | Beirdo: | if the core hits TCC, it cranks down the clock speed automatically, and the VID too. |
| [07:54:34] | wagnerrp: | theyve been doing that since the P4 days |
| [07:54:47] | Beirdo: | it also modulates off the clock |
| [07:54:48] | wagnerrp: | you could remove the heatsink and the think would just keep on going |
| [07:55:24] | Beirdo: | if it can't cool it down enough, it goes "oh CRAP" and expects software to shut it down within half a second |
| [07:56:54] | wagnerrp: | i miss that show |
| [07:57:21] | Beirdo: | ? |
| [07:57:39] | wagnerrp: | invisible man, thats what he would say |
| [07:57:51] | Beirdo: | oh |
| [07:57:52] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:59:10] | Beirdo: | anyways, now I feel a LOT more confident with this processor |
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| [07:59:22] | Beirdo: | reading specs is a good thing |
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| [08:01:02] | wagnerrp: | this may not take nearly as long as i thought |
| [08:01:13] | wagnerrp: | 20% done in an hour and a half |
| [08:01:32] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if thats because it doesnt have the other mirror it has to contend with |
| [08:01:41] | wagnerrp: | or if its because i dont have the thing mounted |
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| [08:02:28] | wagnerrp: | last time i did this, it ran less than half as fast |
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| [08:21:43] | justinh: | ruh? "MythMote for has been downloaded between 10,000 to 50,000 times" |
| [08:22:16] | justinh: | even 5000 people using an Android phone to control a myth frontend seems a bit implausible tbh |
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| [08:23:13] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:23:31] | Beirdo: | how many of those were the author redownloading to inflate numbers? |
| [08:23:50] | justinh: | that'd be a heck of a lot of author bandwidth |
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| [08:29:02] | justinh: | I remember my theme website stats used to tell a similar story but the originating info seemed to be a hell of a lot of bots doing it |
| [08:29:14] | dewman: | At least 2 downloads are correct... me and my wife have it.... hehehe |
| [08:31:48] | justinh: | as I keep saying to people here I like my remote to have a battery life in excess of one day ;-) |
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| [08:36:49] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:39:33] | Beirdo: | aw, come ON |
| [08:39:46] | Beirdo: | sometimes it really sucks being near a big bakery |
| [08:40:07] | Beirdo: | all I smell right now is baked goods... which is EVIL at 1:30am |
| [08:42:00] | justinh: | right. seeing as ebuyer.com don't want to sell us a PoE injector (they keep cancelling the order saying they've none in stock despite saying 60 in stock on the web).. time to fill out a req for somewhere else I found |
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| [08:53:28] | Criggie: | justinh: my phone has a battery life of three weeks. |
| [08:54:21] | justinh: | bet it's not an Android phone though |
| [08:54:34] | justinh: | bet it doesn't have a > 200Mhz CPU ;-) |
| [08:54:54] | Criggie: | not the point. We accept less in order to have more |
| [08:55:32] | justinh: | in the context of this discussion it *is* the point |
| [08:55:59] | Criggie: | fair enough |
| [08:56:20] | justinh: | I quite fancy a smartphone myself, but the piddly battery life puts me off |
| [08:56:25] | justinh: | not to mention the cost |
| [08:57:02] | justinh: | seems like anything under £300 is junk – especially the stuff with touchscreens |
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| [10:33:25] | justinh: | hmm looks like the device in use error could be quite a common 10.04 thing |
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| [11:55:19] | jovox_: | I am using newcamd on my dreambox to connect to my cardserver. Now I'm about to replace the dreambox with mythtv and need to get the cardsharing working. After googling I found a SC called sasc-ng. The problem is that I cannot d/l it because https://opensvn.csie.org/ more or less has dissapeard. What other alternatives are working with mythtv? I found gbox. Is that an option? |
| [11:57:35] | justinh: | oh dear. |
| [11:57:44] | justinh: | you can't talk about that here |
| [11:57:57] | justinh: | we do not support STEALING PAY TV here |
| [11:58:27] | jovox_: | Why not, I'm not stealing anything. Everything is in my home. Just sharing between my boxes :) |
| [11:58:46] | justinh: | software decryption of pay TV is considered stealing in some places |
| [11:59:07] | justinh: | and it likely has way more illegal users than legal ones who pay |
| [11:59:16] | jovox_: | Last I heard was that it was legal in .se. But I might be wrong |
| [11:59:25] | justinh: | that makes no difference here |
| [11:59:34] | justinh: | channel rules are channel rules |
| [11:59:34] | jovox_: | oki |
| [11:59:55] | justinh: | the only decryption we support here is using a CI & CAM with the appropriate viewing card & subscription |
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| [12:04:41] | chivas: | Hi .The link to mailinglist is broken. not sure if this is a valid/legal subject here, but i want to know if its possible to make mythtv to wor as a newcs/newcamd/cccam client ? Currently i use progdvb with a cs plugin, but would like to switch to mythtv . I do have a valid subscrption. Any tips? |
| [12:05:33] | justinh: | chivas: NO |
| [12:05:43] | justinh: | chivas: and NO NO NO NO NO NO NO |
| [12:06:04] | justinh: | we do not support or condone software decryption here, nor do we allow discussion about it |
| [12:06:21] | justinh: | the only decryption we support here is using a CI & CAM with the appropriate viewing card & subscription |
| [12:06:30] | chivas: | i single no to that part would have been enough |
| [12:07:55] | justinh: | the channel FAQ outlines acceptable topics. there's a link to that in the channel topic and/or join message |
| [12:08:08] | chivas: | i have the card and i could move the cardreader from the other receiver to the potential mythtv setup, but that would only move the problem i guess |
| [12:08:50] | jovox_: | hehe |
| [12:08:50] | chivas: | as i wrote, the link provided in join message is broken |
| [12:09:04] | justinh: | you said the link to the mailinglist |
| [12:09:16] | justinh: | Channel FAQ at http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC |
| [12:09:41] | chivas: | that faq isnt in the join, its in topic :) |
| [12:10:09] | chivas: | but it seems to be a dead end anyway |
| [12:10:35] | justinh: | " there's a link to that in the channel topic and/or join message" |
| [12:11:15] | justinh: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC works fine here btw |
| [12:11:32] | justinh: | see http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Softcam |
| [12:12:57] | justinh: | also it could be a breach of your provider's terms & conditions to share a subscription card between devices. some let you have additional cards but charge more money for them – from which you can infer they like customers to pay for multiple receivers |
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| [12:16:08] | chivas: | its not against my provider aslong as its pr household, but they dont issue more than 1 card,but if its against channel rules ill take it elsewhere |
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| [12:19:20] | justinh: | dunno where else anybody is gonna get information like that but hey – that's not our worry ;) |
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| [12:21:59] | justinh: | anyway with the way things are changing in Europe there'll soon be no way to decrypt anything in software |
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| [12:46:36] | justinh: | CI+ :-( |
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| [12:49:27] | forrest: | i all, anybody uses mythtv with the flux from the freebox (a French internet/cable provider) |
| [12:49:44] | forrest: | I am changing to that provider and don't know if my media station still works |
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| [14:02:36] | Carl__: | Question...I'm auto transcoding SD mpeg2 videos to mpeg4 in myth but when I run ffmpeg -i on the .nuv file the duration is way off....a 30 minute show is almost 8 hours...any ideas? |
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| [14:27:31] | wagnerrp: | Carl__: its generally considered that if you want to do a lossy transcode, do use something more capable than the internal transcoder |
| [14:29:05] | Carl__: | does the internal transcoder only produce .nuv files? |
| [14:29:26] | wagnerrp: | when doing lossy, yes |
| [14:30:39] | Carl__: | so you can do lossless mpeg4 through the internal transcoder and that should fix the duration problem? |
| [14:31:22] | wagnerrp: | no, you can do lossless mpeg2, where it applies the cutlist to an mpeg2 recording, and fixes the bits around the cuts |
| [14:31:40] | Carl__: | ah...makes sense |
| [14:32:31] | Carl__: | is .nuv considered a bad container for cross platform / application? |
| [14:34:40] | wagnerrp: | yes, nuv works fine in mythtv, but not much place else |
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| [14:36:50] | Carl__: | that's too bad....how would you suggest transcoding in myth?....I've got SD content in mpeg2 |
| [14:37:07] | wagnerrp: | i would just leave it mpeg2, personally |
| [14:38:27] | Carl__: | so mpeg4 / h.264 aren't worth the effort? |
| [14:39:24] | wagnerrp: | when you consider the amount of CPU time spent for only 2–3x the compression mpeg2 gets you, better to just buy more/bigger hard drives |
| [14:40:15] | wagnerrp: | note that mythtranscode does not do h264 |
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| [14:41:34] | Carl__: | I mix those two up.....how would I go about converting what I have out of the .nuv container to something more portable |
| [14:42:10] | wagnerrp: | nuvexport maybe, ffmpeg may be able to directly re-multiplex it without any transcoding required |
| [14:42:35] | wagnerrp: | wont take more than a few minutes per file |
| [14:43:10] | Carl__: | thanks.....I'll see what I can figure out |
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| [16:14:52] | Saviq: | any idea why I'm getting double slashes in links to ASX / streams in mythweb? |
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| [16:50:29] | k0d3g3ar: | I'm thinking of building a MythTV set top box to replace a dead PopcornHour box. Anyone recommend some good hardware for this? |
| [16:52:07] | wagnerrp: | youre replacing a popcorn hour, so this is for playback only? |
| [16:53:02] | k0d3g3ar: | yes, I have a large video library on a SMB/NFS server, and I want something that is less restrictive on Codecs, and has a decent remote control |
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| [16:53:40] | wagnerrp: | does this server currently run a backend? |
| [16:54:07] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend, that is |
| [16:54:20] | k0d3g3ar: | No, but I have a separate Ubuntu VM MediaServer with uPnP on it, or I can install any back-end software software for the MythTV front-end. |
| [16:54:41] | k0d3g3ar: | I just use the Ubuntu Media Server to serve the content on the NFS server |
| [16:54:53] | wagnerrp: | so then you have no intention to record tv? |
| [16:55:18] | k0d3g3ar: | probably not. I have a hacked Tivo box that does that, and I can extract from it. So I'm good there. |
| [16:55:29] | wagnerrp: | then you dont want mythtv |
| [16:55:37] | k0d3g3ar: | really? |
| [16:55:49] | wagnerrp: | its in the name, thats what it does |
| [16:55:56] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is first and foremost a DVR |
| [16:56:13] | wagnerrp: | arbitrary video/music/game playback is secondary, in plugins |
| [16:56:19] | k0d3g3ar: | oh, I didn't realize that |
| [16:56:32] | wagnerrp: | the frontend relies on the backend, and the backend expects that youre going to have a tuner card |
| [16:56:39] | k0d3g3ar: | oh, ok |
| [16:56:59] | k0d3g3ar: | What I wanted to do was to build a set top box that wasn't going to be limited by some DRM from a vendor |
| [16:57:05] | k0d3g3ar: | like AppleTV, GoogleTV, etc. |
| [16:57:21] | k0d3g3ar: | I don't trust proprietary vendors for this sort of thing |
| [16:58:31] | k0d3g3ar: | do you have any recommendations for front-end systems that might be a good fit for what I am doing? |
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| [17:00:35] | wagnerrp: | boxee, xbmc, moovida, voddler |
| [17:00:54] | k0d3g3ar: | ok, thanks. I was thinking Boxee for this. That would work. Appreciate the pointers |
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| [17:05:29] | ** wagnerrp wonders if he's bad for shoveling users he doesnt want to deal with onto other projects ** | |
| [17:06:51] | iamlindoro: | Heh, not when the answer is correct |
| [17:08:56] | ** awalls thinks of changing his nick to 4w4115 ** | |
| [17:09:38] | iamlindoro: | whatcha talkin bout, wi11i5 |
| [17:09:45] | awalls: | heh |
| [17:09:57] | iamlindoro: | s/whatcha/whatchu/ |
| [17:10:32] | awalls: | 14m71nd0r0 ... hmmm... |
| [17:10:47] | iamlindoro: | damn, you've guessed my svn password! |
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| [17:11:24] | ** awalls preapres to add a bunch of exploits^wusability improvements to mythbackend ** | |
| [17:11:51] | awalls: | Oh wait, no need. ;) |
| [17:12:23] | ** awalls hides waiting for the kick. ** | |
| [17:12:26] | wagnerrp: | hey now, that lack of security is a... erm... FEATURE! |
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| [17:13:43] | awalls: | I have a former colleague who simply decided to turn off anti-virus on his windows PC |
| [17:13:55] | ** wagnerrp doesnt run anti-virus on his windows pc ** | |
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| [17:14:11] | awalls: | His system runs faster, costs him a bit less money to keep up to date, and is easy to rebuild when it gets really hosed. |
| [17:14:32] | wagnerrp: | i havent done so since... 2002? |
| [17:14:45] | wagnerrp: | in that entire time, ive had problems /once/ |
| [17:14:50] | wagnerrp: | and that was a foolish mistake |
| [17:14:50] | awalls: | Security appears to be about protecting what's improtant and forgetting the rest. ;) |
| [17:15:04] | awalls: | What's "important" even. |
| [17:15:25] | wagnerrp: | took my freshly installed and unpatched laptop to school, and connected to wireless |
| [17:15:27] | wagnerrp: | whoops |
| [17:15:49] | awalls: | Mean Time To Compromise used to be about 20 minus some years ago. |
| [17:16:20] | awalls: | /minutes/ |
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| [17:18:43] | awalls: | wagnerrp: you should always use protection in college |
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| [17:24:53] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:25:14] | Beirdo: | I had to install a machine 4 times in a row for my mom so we could get it cleanly installed |
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| [17:25:32] | Beirdo: | install once.... download windows update package, burn to CD |
| [17:25:47] | Beirdo: | install again, install patches, download next set... etc |
| [17:25:56] | Beirdo: | it was insane. |
| [17:26:03] | wagnerrp: | ive never had anything like that kind of trouble |
| [17:26:13] | Beirdo: | yeah well, this was Win98 |
| [17:26:16] | wagnerrp: | what is wrong with you people? |
| [17:26:17] | Beirdo: | she insisted |
| [17:26:46] | Beirdo: | mean time to compromise... 5 min |
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| [17:27:29] | Beirdo: | each time, when applying patches, I'd have the ethernet disconnected, only connect again to get more patches, and repeat the process |
| [17:27:33] | Beirdo: | it was fun... not |
| [17:28:56] | wagnerrp: | and a firewall did nothing? |
| [17:29:11] | wagnerrp: | s/firewall/dumb NAT router/ |
| [17:29:32] | awalls: | UPnP allows apps to open firewall ports, no? |
| [17:29:42] | wagnerrp: | W98 didnt do upnp |
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| [17:29:56] | wagnerrp: | and for that matter, neither does any of my networking tools |
| [17:30:03] | wagnerrp: | for specifically that purpose |
| [17:30:25] | wagnerrp: | even still stock (windows version that does use upnp) will not open up any ports |
| [17:30:30] | wagnerrp: | it has no reason to, no need to |
| [17:30:47] | ** awalls is late for a telecon ** | |
| [17:30:48] | Beirdo: | heh, she had no firewall (yet) |
| [17:31:10] | wagnerrp: | dialup? or directly on a DSL line? |
| [17:31:16] | Beirdo: | DSL |
| [17:31:27] | wagnerrp: | what modem? |
| [17:31:30] | Beirdo: | unfortunately :) she has a router/firewall now |
| [17:31:45] | Beirdo: | I don't remember, it was like 6–7 years ago |
| [17:31:53] | wagnerrp: | the cisco units they originally handed out for DSL were all NAT capable |
| [17:32:07] | Beirdo: | "they"? |
| [17:32:19] | wagnerrp: | DSL providers |
| [17:32:21] | Beirdo: | different telcos use different gear :) |
| [17:32:32] | Beirdo: | and Bell was always stupid |
| [17:32:41] | wagnerrp: | i know several people on several different providers that all got the same cisco units |
| [17:32:53] | wagnerrp: | but this was more like 10 years ago |
| [17:33:24] | Beirdo: | more likely an Alcatel SpeedTouch, I think |
| [17:33:35] | Beirdo: | I think it was around that era |
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| [17:34:28] | wagnerrp: | woo! finally got lirc built |
| [17:37:17] | awalls: | wagnerrp: in kernel lirc modules are only supposed to output raw pulse data via /dev/lircN and cooked/decoded data is supposed to only go via the kernel's input subsystem. |
| [17:37:56] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [17:38:06] | awalls: | not my fault. |
| [17:38:29] | ** kormoc blinks at awalls ** | |
| [17:40:04] | awalls: | For very recent kernel with the new IR core subsystem and j-rods port of lirc modules into the mainstream kernel |
| [17:40:18] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: yeah, im getting that same 'no database version' |
| [17:40:18] | awalls: | not j-rod's fault either |
| [17:40:28] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: It should now be fixed |
| [17:40:43] | iamlindoro: | fixed in 26697 |
| [17:40:56] | wagnerrp: | yeah, see that |
| [17:40:59] | wagnerrp: | thanks |
| [17:41:03] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [17:45:45] | kormoc: | awalls, what are you talking about? |
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| [17:46:50] | awalls: | I'm trying to say that lirc kernel modules and the /dev/lircN API was accepted into the mainline kernel, but i |
| [17:47:34] | awalls: | the /dev/lircN interface has changed such that it is limited to only outputing raw pulse measurment data |
| [17:47:44] | kormoc: | Sure... I don't get why you're saying that... |
| [17:47:45] | awalls: | fro IR receviers that support it. |
| [17:48:34] | awalls: | Things like lirc_i2c and lirc_zilog will not output data via /dev/lircN |
| [17:48:40] | justinh: | does serial port lirc on linux use the uart timers or is it all done in the driver? |
| [17:49:02] | kormoc: | I'm missing context here |
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| [17:49:16] | justinh: | I heard really bad things about lirc over serial from people using winlirc & was amazingly surprised how good it is on loonix :) |
| [17:49:18] | kormoc: | wagnerrp built lirc and then you start quoting wikipedia style info about it |
| [17:49:23] | kormoc: | I'm confused as to the connection |
| [17:49:40] | awalls: | If wagnerrp goes to configure LIRC userspace, he may notice A CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR THAT MAKES THINGS NOT WORK |
| [17:49:54] | awalls: | oops caps lock virus |
| [17:49:57] | awalls: | not yelling. |
| [17:50:26] | kormoc: | that entirely depends on the kernel and lirc versions, which we all know about... |
| [17:50:48] | awalls: | OK. nevermind then. |
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| [17:52:13] | awalls: | justinh: I have no idea what lirc for serial connected devices are doing. |
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| [18:20:12] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: SSD is good, mmkay? |
| [18:20:34] | iamlindoro: | the label says so |
| [18:20:34] | wagnerrp: | oh come on... |
| [18:20:40] | Beirdo: | I think it's more a heat issue than a noise issue for some. |
| [18:20:51] | wagnerrp: | thunderbird just marked my own response as junk mail |
| [18:20:54] | Beirdo: | note: I'm being a dork, not being serious :) |
| [18:21:12] | wagnerrp: | (complaining about thunderbird, not you) |
| [18:21:19] | Beirdo: | no way I'd pay that much for dubious gains |
| [18:21:23] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:21:29] | Beirdo: | go, Thunderbird. |
| [18:21:54] | wagnerrp: | to be fair, those minipcie based ones are fairly cheap, about as much as a normal hard drive |
| [18:22:08] | wagnerrp: | but theyre tiny, and probably get noticeably worse performance than a normal hard drive |
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| [18:23:17] | wagnerrp: | hehe... seems most of them come with PATA bridge chips, not SATA |
| [18:23:49] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [18:23:58] | Beirdo: | by the way... |
| [18:24:09] | Beirdo: | they shoulda called it "MicroPCIE" |
| [18:24:09] | wagnerrp: | and they start at $70 |
| [18:24:19] | wagnerrp: | i thought i remember them available for ~$40 |
| [18:24:19] | Beirdo: | frigging tiny little card |
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| [18:25:20] | BLZbubba: | can you plug them into a PATA cable? |
| [18:25:32] | wagnerrp: | BLZbubba: no, they are MiniPCIe cards |
| [18:25:32] | BLZbubba: | i have an ancient sony with a 1.8" pata drive |
| [18:25:34] | Beirdo: | umm, no |
| [18:25:48] | wagnerrp: | they just interface with the BIOS through a PATA bridge chip |
| [18:25:52] | BLZbubba: | gotcha |
| [18:25:52] | Beirdo: | you can maybe find an adapter |
| [18:25:56] | wagnerrp: | to expose themselves as a drive, something that is bootable |
| [18:25:58] | BLZbubba: | how useful is the ION2 gpu? |
| [18:26:18] | wagnerrp: | about as useful as the ION1 gpu |
| [18:26:29] | Beirdo: | slightly more useful |
| [18:26:47] | wagnerrp: | ever so... its still not powerful enough to do VDPAU High Quality |
| [18:26:48] | Beirdo: | *slightly* being the key word there. And I forget what they added |
| [18:26:57] | wagnerrp: | and the original ION could do VDPAU Normal |
| [18:27:11] | wagnerrp: | there is more power, but not a useful amount |
| [18:27:26] | wagnerrp: | the only thing you get is the better scaler, and ASP decoding |
| [18:27:37] | Beirdo: | and the newer box :) |
| [18:28:07] | wagnerrp: | 16GB for $73... ok, not entirely unreasonable... |
| [18:28:17] | wagnerrp: | 75MB/s read, 15MB/s write... thats downright awful |
| [18:28:24] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:28:34] | Beirdo: | I've had actual hard drives that are worse |
| [18:28:56] | wagnerrp: | nothing recent |
| [18:28:57] | Beirdo: | not in use now though |
| [18:29:11] | Beirdo: | The Quantum Fireball 15G era |
| [18:29:29] | Beirdo: | hey look, about the same capacity too |
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| [18:29:45] | wagnerrp: | sure, but those havent been sold in 10 years |
| [18:29:51] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [18:30:08] | Beirdo: | but for a boot device, that wouldn't be too bad |
| [18:30:19] | wagnerrp: | if it still ran |
| [18:30:28] | Beirdo: | if you have enough memory to put variable data into RAM |
| [18:30:35] | Beirdo: | no, I mean the SSD |
| [18:30:44] | Beirdo: | just don't write it often |
| [18:30:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: have you seen http://nowsci.com/mythmediamonitor/ |
| [18:31:04] | Beirdo: | the read performance is reasonable |
| [18:31:37] | sphery: | wagnerrp: uses your favorite approach... echo "$SQL" | mysql $MYSQLOPTS |
| [18:31:54] | wagnerrp: | oh happy day |
| [18:31:55] | Beirdo: | !parrot mythmediamonitor |
| [18:31:55] | ** MythLogBot dislodges the parrot from the shoulder of mythmediamonitor on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [18:32:09] | wagnerrp: | at least its in bash, where there is no other option |
| [18:32:17] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:32:18] | wagnerrp: | its not like theyre calling the mysql command line application from perl |
| [18:32:29] | Beirdo: | now that would be lame :) |
| [18:32:47] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:32:49] | wagnerrp: | i dare say that would qualify for a fail whale |
| [18:32:59] | Beirdo: | please do not distribute outside of this site?! |
| [18:33:26] | wagnerrp: | oh, wait |
| [18:33:31] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Pdatranscode.pl |
| [18:34:11] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Android_RSS_Video_Feed |
| [18:34:32] | sphery: | Beirdo: likely an important disclaimer when you consider the likely primary audience of users? |
| [18:34:40] | Beirdo: | so not only is it bash fun... but not even GPL |
| [18:34:42] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:35:00] | Beirdo: | time for a cease-and-desist? :) |
| [18:35:17] | wagnerrp: | how would we justify that? |
| [18:35:32] | Beirdo: | please don't name your custom crap to look like it's part of MythTV proper |
| [18:35:43] | Beirdo: | using the naming scheme used for plugins |
| [18:35:59] | sphery: | I'm thinking the logo may be a violation of license |
| [18:36:00] | Beirdo: | who said you need to justify anything to rattle a saber? |
| [18:36:25] | Beirdo: | you are likely right there |
| [18:36:32] | sphery: | I don't know details |
| [18:36:49] | sphery: | but I know that at one point, someone made T-shirts and that was stopped |
| [18:36:58] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [18:37:57] | awalls: | Trademark (tradename?) law is probably on your side |
| [18:38:01] | wagnerrp: | wait, is this to import for recordings? |
| [18:38:19] | Beirdo: | to import downloaded crap into recordings, it seems |
| [18:38:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yes, it's a a wheel--brand new design |
| [18:38:59] | wagnerrp: | its got facets |
| [18:39:09] | wagnerrp: | everyone likes facets, curved surfaces are lame |
| [18:39:29] | sphery: | the mention on list was to use it for shows recorded by mythtv but moved elsewhere with links in the SG dirs |
| [18:39:44] | Beirdo: | uh huh |
| [18:39:48] | sphery: | (which could be just as easily done with ln -s...) |
| [18:39:50] | wagnerrp: | sounds like that librarian crap |
| [18:39:56] | Beirdo: | that's why it needs multi-CD rip support |
| [18:40:04] | AndyCap: | Beirdo: arr |
| [18:40:09] | Beirdo: | exactly |
| [18:40:20] | ** Beirdo chucks a parrot at the site. ** | |
| [18:40:36] | sphery: | heh, didn't notice that |
| [18:40:45] | AndyCap: | grabs imdb data too. I'm sure amazon loves that |
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| [18:41:00] | sphery: | "This is my script that shows how I steal movies. Please sue me." |
| [18:41:13] | Beirdo: | not to mention TVRage. what's their TOS? |
| [18:41:14] | sphery: | instead, though, the law firms go after random Internet users |
| [18:41:20] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: use freely |
| [18:41:24] | wagnerrp: | theyve got an open API |
| [18:41:30] | sphery: | but they "steal" all input |
| [18:42:04] | sphery: | very much like imdb |
| [18:42:23] | wagnerrp: | i just dont understand people who write massive bash scripts such as that |
| [18:42:29] | sphery: | and they seem to host their site on GeoCities |
| [18:43:07] | sphery: | wagnerrp: when the only tool you have is a hammer... |
| [18:43:26] | Beirdo: | I just don't understand your irrational hate for bash :) |
| [18:43:27] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:43:32] | ** Beirdo ducks and runs ** | |
| [18:43:36] | wagnerrp: | i have no hate for bash |
| [18:43:49] | Beirdo: | granted, it's not really the right tool for many of these |
| [18:44:07] | wagnerrp: | for boot environments like embedded systems or initrds, its small and versatile enough |
| [18:44:08] | kormoc: | I demand the user rewrites it in python! |
| [18:44:15] | sphery: | kormoc: heh |
| [18:44:15] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:44:22] | Beirdo: | it would be a lot smaller if they did |
| [18:44:45] | wagnerrp: | for init scripts, you cant really rely on something more complex because you havent brought it up yet |
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| [18:44:58] | wagnerrp: | but for complex text and file processors? |
| [18:45:15] | wagnerrp: | use something that carries all the necessary tools with it |
| [18:45:20] | Beirdo: | you don't need anything more complex for a lot of stuff... but for regexps... and mysql access?! |
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| [18:45:51] | wagnerrp: | exactly |
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| [18:45:58] | wagnerrp: | simple scripts, or loops, who cares |
| [18:46:11] | wagnerrp: | its fast enough, you can write it in a few minutes, it works well enough |
| [18:46:22] | wagnerrp: | but you dont develop applications in bash |
| [18:46:25] | wagnerrp: | thats just madness |
| [18:46:31] | Beirdo: | if I catch people using python to wrap starting mythfrontend, I will mock them mercilessly |
| [18:46:50] | Beirdo: | that's bash's job :) |
| [18:47:04] | wagnerrp: | even perl is a better option than python |
| [18:47:06] | Beirdo: | reach for the right tool in that toolbox :) |
| [18:47:16] | Beirdo: | even that would be stupid |
| [18:47:17] | wagnerrp: | ill be the first to admit python is not designed for simple running of external programs |
| [18:47:38] | Beirdo: | let's use perl and use system() which... runs /bin/sh |
| [18:47:57] | Beirdo: | heh, just do it in /bin/sh or /bin/bash to start with |
| [18:48:02] | awalls: | perl backtick will spawn a subshell with less typing |
| [18:48:11] | Beirdo: | and STILL runs /bin/sh |
| [18:48:19] | Beirdo: | there's no point in wrapping with perl |
| [18:48:35] | Beirdo: | you'd need some pretty complex logic to justify that |
| [18:48:43] | wagnerrp: | well in python, it would be 'from subprocess import Popen; Popen(<command>, shell=True).wait()' |
| [18:48:48] | wagnerrp: | we dont even get a 'system' call |
| [18:49:22] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [18:49:41] | wagnerrp: | or 'Popen(<command>.split()).wait()' |
| [18:49:56] | wagnerrp: | works similar to fork/execv |
| [18:50:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [18:50:06] | Beirdo: | man popen :) |
| [18:50:22] | wagnerrp: | no, Popen... popen is depreciated |
| [18:50:38] | Beirdo: | pretty much how QProcess works |
| [18:50:42] | Beirdo: | the heck it is |
| [18:50:45] | Beirdo: | man popen |
| [18:50:51] | wagnerrp: | in python |
| [18:50:53] | Beirdo: | it's part of libc |
| [18:51:01] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [18:51:02] | Beirdo: | the underlying system call python is using :) |
| [18:51:27] | Beirdo: | if not, I'd be surprised, as they are doing the same functionality :) |
| [18:52:11] | Beirdo: | does fork/pipe/execl type of stuff internally, IIRC |
| [18:52:54] | Beirdo: | I need to work that into myth_system if we want to consolidate QProcess/popen/myth_system |
| [18:53:34] | Beirdo: | btw... popen... calls /bin/sh -c command |
| [18:53:36] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:53:55] | Beirdo: | we just can't escape it, it seems |
| [18:55:06] | sphery: | no escape... |
| [18:55:16] | sphery: | just like New York (or Los Angeles) |
| [18:56:29] | ** wagnerrp wants more john carpenter movies ** | |
| [18:58:05] | wagnerrp: | although i guess the Escape from series is dead... he did sorta destroy the world at the end of the last one |
| [18:58:26] | sphery: | I don't think I've seen LA, yet |
| [18:58:33] | sphery: | watched NY not long ago |
| [18:58:45] | sphery: | just have to wait for some channel to re-air LA |
| [18:58:59] | wagnerrp: | president's daughter gets kidnapped by some revolutionary or something |
| [18:59:18] | wagnerrp: | snake is sent in to kill the revolutionary, and rescue the daughter... supposedly |
| [18:59:44] | sphery: | do they put Snake on a plane? |
| [19:00:08] | sphery: | maybe just a helicopter... |
| [19:00:26] | wagnerrp: | no, nuclear powered sub IIRC |
| [19:01:54] | sphery: | ah, cool |
| [19:02:26] | wagnerrp: | but he escapes on a helicopter |
| [19:02:27] | AndyCap: | Snake on a plane sounds scarier. :P |
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| [19:07:17] | wagnerrp: | what about snake on a glider? |
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| [19:09:14] | AndyCap: | preferably not in my backyard. |
| [19:09:34] | kormoc: | snake on a sugar glider |
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| [19:10:52] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: It's just EMP, no? |
| [19:10:59] | iamlindoro: | ie, he destroys all tech, but not the world |
| [19:11:27] | wagnerrp: | whats the difference? |
| [19:11:33] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [19:11:46] | kormoc: | it's like planet of the apes! |
| [19:11:47] | iamlindoro: | I think I could be pretty happy without technology :) |
| [19:12:14] | wagnerrp: | good luck with your subsistence farming |
| [19:12:26] | kormoc: | pot would be legal! Yay! |
| [19:12:36] | AndyCap: | Hah. |
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| [19:13:25] | kormoc: | I'd take over a island in the Caribbean |
| [19:13:29] | kormoc: | that'd do the trick |
| [19:13:36] | iamlindoro: | exactly |
| [19:13:44] | iamlindoro: | Can't destroy rum barrels with EMP |
| [19:14:29] | AndyCap: | no, religion will take care of the rum for you. |
| [19:14:40] | iamlindoro: | It will if I convert to voodoo |
| [19:14:52] | iamlindoro: | keep bats warm |
| [19:14:58] | iamlindoro: | jobu verrry powerful |
| [19:15:08] | wagnerrp: | i thought that was golf socks |
| [19:15:18] | kormoc: | Guns are unaffected by EMP |
| [19:15:19] | iamlindoro: | They were-- but he puts it on his bat |
| [19:15:24] | kormoc: | Guns beat book |
| [19:15:25] | iamlindoro: | and says "Keep bats warm" |
| [19:15:35] | wagnerrp: | no, golf socks, not voodoo, keeps bats warm |
| [19:15:43] | AndyCap: | pen gun, mightier than the sword. |
| [19:15:48] | iamlindoro: | but Cerrano's religion is voodoo |
| [19:15:50] | AndyCap: | sword gun, mightier than the pen gun |
| [19:16:24] | iamlindoro: | I say f you Jobu, I do it myself |
| [19:16:38] | kormoc: | Who do the voodoo that you do so well? |
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| [19:17:53] | iamlindoro: | You remind me of the babe |
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| [19:17:58] | awalls: | What babe? |
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| [19:18:03] | iamlindoro: | the babe with the power |
| [19:18:06] | sphery: | iamlindoro: are you calling him a pig? |
| [19:18:08] | awalls: | What power? |
| [19:18:15] | iamlindoro: | the power of voodoo |
| [19:18:22] | ** awalls stops now. ** | |
| [19:18:26] | wagnerrp: | that she do so well |
| [19:18:35] | iamlindoro: | who do, you do, do what, remind me of the babe! |
| [19:18:41] | iamlindoro: | There, NOW we can stop ;_) |
| [19:18:56] | wagnerrp: | in the name of voodoo |
| [19:19:08] | wagnerrp: | before you break my doll |
| [19:21:42] | wagnerrp: | bruce campbell was in escape from la? |
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| [20:17:14] | johnnyj: | is there a way to build frontend only from source? |
| [20:17:21] | johnnyj: | for linux |
| [20:17:29] | wagnerrp: | no, its all or nothing |
| [20:17:44] | wagnerrp: | you can simply delete the backend binary... but im not sure what purpose that would serve |
| [20:17:51] | johnnyj: | right on |
| [20:18:06] | wagnerrp: | even if you didnt build the backend or mythtv-setup, you would only save yourself a couple minutes of compile time, and a couple MB of space |
| [20:18:14] | johnnyj: | so packages are just built from the completed build |
| [20:18:23] | wagnerrp: | generally |
| [20:18:31] | wagnerrp: | there are some fe-only/be-only packages available |
| [20:18:41] | wagnerrp: | but those only exist to have a reduced runtime dependency list |
| [20:20:27] | johnnyj: | where do the libs hide out other than /usr/local/lib ? I have a mythmusic binary mismatch happenning |
| [20:21:31] | wagnerrp: | /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib are the most common |
| [20:21:36] | wagnerrp: | depends on your $PREFIX |
| [20:24:42] | johnnyj: | many thanks |
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| [21:09:43] | kormoc: | Saviq, mod_php is the only supported solution we recommend |
| [21:10:15] | Saviq: | kormoc: ok, I'm building lighty2 now so will give you some reports on if that works or not |
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| [21:18:09] | hednod: | what kind of throughput does mythtv need for recording 1080P hd shows? I have bought a small atom box (with ion chipset whch works beautifuly with vdpau) but it has no room for addtional disks and i am planning wether i could get away with a NAS or iSCSI link or if i need eSATA at least |
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| [21:20:03] | Digdilem: | hednod, based on what i've recorded, around 5–6 GB/hour |
| [21:20:19] | Digdilem: | probably a little under that |
| [21:20:57] | iamlindoro: | Since there's no such thing as recording 1080p, it's moot |
| [21:21:21] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: sure there is... just not in north america |
| [21:21:26] | hednod: | no concerns about latency of using iscsi/nas over ethernet? |
| [21:21:29] | iamlindoro: | For a full bandwidth channel, 16–18 Mbit/s, or 7–8 GB an hour |
| [21:21:39] | wagnerrp: | hednod: iscsi doesnt run over ethernet |
| [21:21:47] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Who is broadcasting 1080p? |
| [21:21:50] | iamlindoro: | Nobody last I heard |
| [21:21:57] | wagnerrp: | dont some DVB stations run 1080p? |
| [21:22:02] | iamlindoro: | nope |
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| [21:22:11] | Digdilem: | what's BBC and ITV HD? |
| [21:22:15] | iamlindoro: | 1080i |
| [21:22:15] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: DirecTV has some on PPV movies, but that's not "broadcast" enough :) |
| [21:22:22] | hednod: | i was thinking more about playing 1080p, as far as that is concerned. |
| [21:22:30] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: and we cant access those except for over an HDPVR |
| [21:22:36] | wagnerrp: | which is limited to 1080i |
| [21:22:38] | Beirdo: | and not even then |
| [21:22:39] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [21:22:47] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: and even then, they're 1440x1080 |
| [21:22:49] | iamlindoro: | blech |
| [21:22:58] | Beirdo: | heh, figures |
| [21:23:00] | Digdilem: | hednod, if it's compressed, take filesize, length of program and do some calcs... |
| [21:23:09] | ** Digdilem is all about being exact ** | |
| [21:23:25] | Beirdo: | although I haven't bothered to actually verify that, no PPV for me, thanks |
| [21:23:37] | Beirdo: | I see it in the guide, that is all |
| [21:24:20] | Digdilem: | BBC HD = 1440x1080i |
| [21:24:37] | Digdilem: | that's uk |
| [21:24:46] | wagnerrp: | agggh.... |
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| [21:25:04] | wagnerrp: | my sed scripts work great in testing, and fail on boot |
| [21:25:25] | Beirdo: | sed path? |
| [21:25:45] | wagnerrp: | BUS=`dmesg | sed -e '/ scsi[0–9]* : iSCSI /!d; s/.* scsi//; s/ :.*//' | tail -n1` |
| [21:25:45] | wagnerrp: | DISK=`dmesg | sed "/sd $BUS:0:0:0:/!d; 1d; s/.*:0:0:0: \[//; s/\].*//; 3q"` |
| [21:25:57] | wagnerrp: | gives me exactly what i want in busybox |
| [21:26:06] | wagnerrp: | barfs up all sorts of garbage on boot |
| [21:26:13] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:26:45] | wagnerrp: | so i go downstairs, try it out, fail |
| [21:26:58] | wagnerrp: | come back upstairs, remount stuff, compile into the kernel, replace |
| [21:27:03] | wagnerrp: | go back downstairs, try again... |
| [21:29:14] | wagnerrp: | third try... |
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| [21:47:49] | mtrax: | just wondering if there has been any success resolving the blockers for 0.24? |
| [21:48:12] | iamlindoro: | Some are solved, several are not |
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| [21:48:37] | Beirdo: | we're getting there |
| [21:48:43] | mtrax: | ok, thanks, what component are they ? |
| [21:48:49] | iamlindoro: | various |
| [21:48:51] | mtrax: | core, dvd? |
| [21:49:45] | Beirdo: | "various artists" |
| [21:49:47] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [21:51:47] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: I'm putting #9016 (the myth_system child deadlock) at "nearly blocker", but I expect that my last patch removes the issue altogether, so we should be good |
| [21:51:52] | mtrax: | also just wondering if many people use their mythbox for other functions eg firewall , router etc.. |
| [21:51:59] | Beirdo: | if you don't lock, you can't deadlock. |
| [21:52:24] | mtrax: | I do, but wondering if this could cause issues |
| [21:52:53] | Beirdo: | why would it cause issues? |
| [21:52:57] | bjd: | mtrax: i don't mainly cos i switch off machines when they are not in use |
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| [21:53:20] | mtrax: | performance issues I guess |
| [21:53:33] | mtrax: | but I assume that depends on H/W |
| [21:53:56] | bjd: | Yeah |
| [21:54:26] | bjd: | if you're using an atom for a multiple purpose machine you need a good kicking :p |
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| [21:55:57] | mtrax: | I had to stop some of my cron scripts (running every 5–10mins) becuase I think that was occasionally affecting playback |
| [21:56:19] | mtrax: | eg small spikes in cpu |
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| [22:00:54] | kormoc: | mtrax, I commflag/transcode/etc, run a web server, compile packages, etc on my mythbox without playback glitches |
| [22:02:28] | mtrax: | what sort of cpu do you have multi-core? |
| [22:02:41] | kormoc: | Core 2 duo |
| [22:02:46] | kormoc: | and yes, dual core |
| [22:03:01] | kormoc: | 2 ghz, 64 bit |
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| [22:03:32] | mtrax: | perhaps thats the trick, I have a single core AMD 3200 |
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| [22:04:17] | mtrax: | btw does 64bit affect performance for mythtv that much? |
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| [22:05:34] | kormoc: | I like to think so, but I have no numbers |
| [22:05:45] | kormoc: | and it's more about the extra registers in the cpu then the actual size of them I'd wager |
| [22:06:27] | mtrax: | is there a upgrade path generally for 32bit distros or do you need to fresh install? |
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| [22:08:36] | mtrax: | just did a quick google an looks like risky upgrade to 64bit.. perhaps a fresh install after 4 years is on the todo list. |
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| [22:13:12] | kormoc: | multilib is pretty painless |
| [22:13:28] | kormoc: | especially given the kernel is a unified 32/64 bit binary now |
| [22:14:59] | sphery: | so it's a 1/2 bit binary? |
| [22:15:02] | Beirdo: | the general code could get some speed advantage by more registers, and in some cases larger registers |
| [22:15:05] | sphery: | better than a 2-bit binary, I guess |
| [22:15:25] | Beirdo: | but that's offset by larger memory requirements for the binaries... |
| [22:15:55] | Beirdo: | being able to load 64bits in one instruction is nice though :) |
| [22:17:15] | sphery: | IMHO, if the performance difference between 32- and 64-bit code matters, you've seriously underspec'ed your system |
| [22:17:23] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:18:00] | Beirdo: | depends... I can see it making a large difference potentially in highly tweaked code (like libavcodec perhaps) |
| [22:18:09] | Beirdo: | but mostly, it's a wash |
| [22:19:29] | sphery: | yeah, and still, I think you should design your system so that it has some overhead |
| [22:19:38] | sphery: | otherwise, you'll be designing a new system real soon |
| [22:19:43] | sphery: | or complaining on the -users list, one |
| [22:19:44] | Beirdo: | of course |
| [22:19:59] | ** Beirdo orders a new Atom box for spherey ** | |
| [22:20:03] | sphery: | s/overhead/headroom/ |
| [22:20:05] | Beirdo: | stupid fingers |
| [22:20:13] | sphery: | don't know why I keep using the wrong word |
| [22:20:21] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:20:23] | Beirdo: | Max Headroom? |
| [22:20:33] | sphery: | and Theora Jones! |
| [22:20:59] | sphery: | now VP8 Jones, a.k.a. Webm Jones |
| [22:21:20] | johnnyj: | hmmm |
| [22:21:23] | johnnyj: | Plugin mythmovies (0.23.1.201000710–1) binary version does not match libraries (0.23.20100917–1) |
| [22:21:46] | sphery: | gotta upgrade your plugins, too |
| [22:21:53] | johnnyj: | but I did |
| [22:22:05] | sphery: | I don't think we removed mythmovies from 0.23-fixes, but it's definitely gone from trunk |
| [22:22:23] | johnnyj: | where is it hiding on my system? |
| [22:22:26] | sphery: | so if you've upgraded to trunk, you need to delete the old plugin |
| [22:22:35] | sphery: | $PREFIX/lib/mythtv/ |
| [22:22:44] | johnnyj: | i did that |
| [22:23:23] | johnnyj: | im looking in /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins and I don't see a mythmusic |
| [22:23:28] | johnnyj: | er mythmovie |
| [22:23:28] | sphery: | so just delete /usr/{,local/}lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythmovies* |
| [22:23:41] | sphery: | probably in /usr/lib, then |
| [22:23:45] | sphery: | which needs fixing, too |
| [22:23:51] | Beirdo: | locate libmythmovies |
| [22:23:54] | sphery: | (i.e. you may have mythtv installed in 2 places) |
| [22:23:59] | Beirdo: | assuming you use updatedb :) |
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| [22:24:41] | johnnyj: | i dont, i'll use find |
| [22:25:32] | johnnyj: | 'noglob sudo find / -name libmythmovies*' returns nothing |
| [22:25:44] | Beirdo: | muh? |
| [22:26:46] | johnnyj: | and i had just rm -rf /usr/local/lib/*myth and confirmed nothing *myth was in /usr/lib |
| [22:27:06] | johnnyj: | a find on *myth under /usr/local/lib was clean |
| [22:27:11] | Beirdo: | *myth? |
| [22:27:18] | johnnyj: | i then made distclean and reconfigured and rebuilt |
| [22:27:20] | Beirdo: | wow, you are adventurous |
| [22:27:20] | sphery: | *myth* |
| [22:27:40] | johnnyj: | sphery: yeah, that's what i did |
| [22:27:42] | Beirdo: | I would never do that in an rm -rf without carefully checking first |
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| [22:27:45] | sphery: | just making sure :) |
| [22:28:11] | sphery: | can try ldd (which probably won't help) |
| [22:28:13] | sphery: | or strace |
| [22:28:16] | Beirdo: | that is far too powerful of a command :) |
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| [22:30:04] | johnnyj: | what does "Library API : 0.23.20100917–1" mean when I check --version? |
| [22:30:22] | sphery: | the library version that the plugins have to use to work |
| [22:30:32] | sphery: | i.e. the binary api version |
| [22:33:01] | johnnyj: | ok – thanks – I'll strace it later when I've got more time |
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| [22:40:04] | darkdrgn2k3: | hey all |
| [22:40:15] | darkdrgn2k3: | what folders does mythtv write to regularly (front end not back end) |
| [22:41:44] | Wicked: | i think ~/.mythtv |
| [22:41:52] | Wicked: | but im not a dev |
| [22:42:04] | darkdrgn2k3: | Wicked:looks about right forgot about that one |
| [22:42:41] | Wicked: | its pretty much standard for applications to use ~/.<APP NAME> |
| [22:42:54] | Wicked: | or now some use ~/.config/<APP NAME> |
| [22:43:11] | darkdrgn2k3: | trying to put all that in a ramdrive :-P |
| [22:46:29] | skd5aner: | actually, that's technically not correct |
| [22:46:42] | skd5aner: | it writes to wherever you configured it to write to |
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| [22:47:30] | skd5aner: | I suppose maybe some of the distro default to certain areas, but typically it'd be a storage group and/or mount point |
| [22:48:24] | skd5aner: | the frontend typically will only write metadata related things, like artwork – and logs if configured to do so, it typically doesn't write much else |
| [22:49:06] | kormoc: | we always write to ~/.mythtv by default |
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| [22:49:26] | kormoc: | darkdrgn2k3, that said, putting it on a ramdrive is absurd |
| [22:49:29] | skd5aner: | kormoc: but, write "what" ? |
| [22:49:58] | kormoc: | skd5aner, we cache theme images locally there, we cache pixmaps locally there, we cache connection info there, cache artwork there |
| [22:50:04] | Gumby: | hi all, is there a way to watch recordings via mythweb and say vlc or gom player when mythweb is password protected? I've tried http://user:pass@domain however this seems to fail |
| [22:50:07] | skd5aner: | yea, that's true... cache |
| [22:50:27] | skd5aner: | was just looking, good point |
| [22:50:35] | kormoc: | Gumby, it all depends on the player and what they support. You'd have to ask them how they want it |
| [22:51:13] | Gumby: | kormoc: I see. So its fully do-able, its just a matter of getting the string right on the client side |
| [22:51:48] | kormoc: | Gumby, there's a setting in mythweb-trunk to pass that info to the client automatically, and we do some url encoding that might be needed with your given user/password |
| [22:52:09] | Gumby: | come to think of it, I think I was using the wrong password in the first place :( |
| [22:54:16] | Gumby: | amazing what entering the proper credentials will do for a person |
| [22:54:17] | Gumby: | lol |
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| [22:55:30] | Gumby: | thanks for the tip kormoc |
| [22:57:02] | wagnerrp: | i just dont understand some people... |
| [22:57:42] | wagnerrp: | ... someone on mythtvtalk arguing that a $100 m-audio card is somehow better for use with SPDIF than an effectively free SPDIF connector on an AC97 board |
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| [22:58:32] | kormoc: | it cost extra money, so it must be better |
| [22:58:51] | kormoc: | using advanced rot-2 bit stream encoding technology |
| [22:59:25] | kormoc: | helps prevent people from sniffing your audio traffic via electron microscope |
| [23:00:33] | wagnerrp: | seems he actually mentioned something about other devices having to resample to 48khz, but subsequently removed that comment |
| [23:01:00] | wagnerrp: | of course all AC3 and DTS will be 48khz... so thats nothing of concern |
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