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Wednesday, September 29th, 2010, 00:05 UTC
[00:05:55] knightr: kormoc, I took a backup just in case and I'm going downstairs to recreate my lineup on my backend... Will let know know how it turns out, thanks!
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[00:10:25] Beirdo: kormoc: you must try these habanero truffles :)
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[00:25:43] sphery: skd5aner: 'sup?
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[00:34:18] Twiggy2cents: I am doing some updates and it updated mysql its asking for mysql administrator account. It said debian-sys-maintance I think. My root account is named root. Is that what I would want?
[00:34:43] wagnerrp: you would need to ask in #debian
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[00:35:40] Twiggy2cents: but I have mythbuntu. I know I shoudl ask in that chan. but nobodys active in there at the moment so I figured I would ask
[00:37:08] wagnerrp: then ask in #ubuntu
[00:38:08] knightr: kormoc, just recreated the source, got my lineup from SD, frontend works but I still have the same problem with MythWeb...
[00:38:39] mikeones: anyone know howto troubleshot screenshots/coverart not showing up in mythvideo on a remote frontend? I have SG's setup on the backend and the screenshots/coverart works fine when running mythvideo on the backend. When I start mythvideo on the remote frontend from a konsole window I see file not found error messages with the full path to the screenshot located on the backend. Any ideas? I am running 23+fixes on debian si
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[00:39:38] wagnerrp: mikeones: if it lists a full path, and not something like 'myth://Screenshots@<IP>/some_image.jpg'
[00:39:43] wagnerrp: then you are not using storage groups
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[00:40:39] mikeones: wagnerrp: but streaming recordings and videos's works without having the drive mounted on the frontend.
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[00:45:45] mikeones: and I have this in my storage group table '7 Screenshots tvbox2 /media/data/movies/Screenshots/'
[00:47:39] mikeones: but that also shows up in the settings table. 'mythvideo.screenshotDir /media/data/movies/Screenshots tvbox2'
[00:47:58] mikeones: I wonder if I have it defined as local and a SG.
[00:48:07] mikeones: in the backend
[00:48:11] wagnerrp: what about 'VideoStartupDir'?
[00:49:30] mikeones: 'VideoStartupDir /media/data/movies/MythtvVideo:/media/data/home_vidstvbox2'
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[00:57:46] BLZbubba: if i do: DELETE FROM program
[00:57:56] BLZbubba: and then run mythfilldatabase
[00:58:02] BLZbubba: will that re-create the listings?
[00:58:26] mikeones: wagnerrp: I guess I will have to clean out these settings and try it again. I wonder if havind two startup dirs is an issue.
[00:58:43] Beirdo: Made it. :)
[01:00:32] BLZbubba: hmm or maybe it needs to recalculate when it is going to record things
[01:01:26] BLZbubba: it was on moscow time for awhile and now it shows the recordings happening 11 hours too early
[01:02:24] Beirdo: I think they shoulda called miniPCIe "micro PCIe"
[01:02:47] BLZbubba: is it a pci express interface?
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[01:02:54] Beirdo: yes
[01:03:01] BLZbubba: the ads i see all imply that it is parallel ata (PATA)
[01:03:06] Beirdo: the card's about 1" x 2"
[01:03:14] Beirdo: the card I have here
[01:03:50] BLZbubba: will mythfilldatabase restore what is in the program table if i truncate it?
[01:04:01] Beirdo: no
[01:04:06] Beirdo: it will load new data into it
[01:04:15] BLZbubba: that's what i meant :P ok cool ty
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[01:12:32] slickrick: hi anyone recompiled mythtv under debian/ubuntu? i rebuilding from my distro source, so i can get rid of the proper_shutdown_behavior_for_ubuntu.patch which hard codes the use of dbus for shutdown.
[01:12:58] slickrick: i want to be able to use my haltcommands instead, which turn my recievers on and off among other things.
[01:13:18] slickrick: when i try to compile it bombs at freesurround.cpp:35:19: error: QString: No such file or directory
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[01:14:09] BLZbubba: ah, much better, thanks
[01:16:47] sphery: BLZbubba: no need to delete from program... just run mfdb with the right switches
[01:17:02] sphery: BLZbubba: i.e. to replace everything, use mythfilldatabase --refresh-today --refresh-all
[01:17:14] sphery: BLZbubba: or if you're using Schedules Direct, use mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all
[01:18:02] sphery: and, if using Schedules Direct, consider switching mythfilldatabase to *always* use mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all to a) ensure you always have the most-current information and b) reduce load on the TMS servers
[01:18:24] Beirdo: ista North America can eat me
[01:19:10] sphery: BLZbubba: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/449426#449426 for more on the --dd-grab-all
[01:19:13] sphery: ista?
[01:19:16] Beirdo: they didn't send a bill (water/trash/sewer) last month at all
[01:19:21] sphery: ahhh
[01:19:38] sphery: That ista problem
[01:19:51] Beirdo: this month, they send one that says what I owe... current due $44.60, doe 10/28/2010
[01:20:14] Beirdo: and at the same time a letter saying I owe them $49.60 as I didn't pay the bill they never sent last month
[01:20:17] Beirdo: tards
[01:20:28] sphery: "mouseteeth"... never heard that word applied to interlacing artifacts.
[01:20:35] Beirdo: second time now they've done this
[01:20:54] Beirdo: they sent bills every other month, and try to ding me for not paying the one that never got here
[01:21:59] Beirdo: I don't feel like opening the backend box tonight to put in this SATA card
[01:22:00] Beirdo: heh
[01:22:40] Beirdo: or the fan grille
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[02:05:50] Beirdo: grrr
[02:06:04] Beirdo: what's with this out-of-sync playback!?
[02:07:29] Beirdo: "Smoking is a treatable medical condition"??!?!
[02:07:32] Beirdo: no it isn't
[02:07:51] Beirdo: being addicted to nicotine may be
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[02:08:01] jk-: hi all
[02:08:03] Beirdo: but smoking isn't a disease or a condition
[02:08:24] Beirdo: idiotic "public announcements"
[02:08:52] jk-: is there anything I should know before moving my backend to a new machine?
[02:09:07] Beirdo: yes
[02:09:13] Beirdo: all your base are belong to us
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[02:10:17] Beirdo: past that...
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[02:10:26] Beirdo: what are you looking to know?
[02:11:41] jk-: I'm assuming I can move the mysql DB over, change the hostname in the settings table, and check that it's found the (moved) tuners
[02:11:57] jk-: but I may be missing something :)
[02:13:00] jk-: (and update the backend address on frontend machines)
[02:13:12] Beirdo: move it over, then run the mythconverg_restore.pl script to rename
[02:13:33] Beirdo: that should take care of the settings, etc for you
[02:13:50] Beirdo: yeah, I think you have it mostly covered there
[02:15:58] ** jk- looks for the script **
[02:16:18] Beirdo: mythtv/programs/scripts/database
[02:16:22] Beirdo: in the source
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[02:17:05] Beirdo: pretty sure it gets installed into $prefix/share/mythtv somewhere
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[02:27:43] sphery: jk-: see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore (if nothing else, just download the script as directed there)
[02:28:00] sphery: though it should be in $PREFIX/share/mythtv, like Beirdo said
[02:28:36] jk-: thanks :)
[02:32:46] jk-: (yeah, is in $PREFIX)
[02:32:54] jk-: cool
[02:33:03] ** jk- goes to the shed to swap the tuner cards over **
[02:37:58] Beirdo: woohoo
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[02:38:28] Beirdo: seems the last set of myth_system changes did help several people not get deadlocks
[02:38:39] ** Beirdo is pleased **
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[02:51:46] Beirdo: OK, let's tweak this code
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[03:34:01] Beirdo: anyone here have a PVRUSB2 in service?
[03:34:15] Beirdo: or that they could plug in to check something for me?
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[03:46:00] wagnerrp: ive got mixed feelings about this 'one ordinary family'
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[03:50:24] wagnerrp: madness...
[03:50:40] wagnerrp: 'lirc_zilog troubles with my garbage bttv card (like PVR-150)'
[03:52:05] [R]: pvr150 isn't bttv...
[03:53:00] wagnerrp: no, but is crap WinTV-GO is
[03:53:03] wagnerrp: his
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[03:54:51] wagnerrp: !seen meshe
[03:54:51] MythLogBot: meshe was last seen 148 days 4 hours 46 minutes 52 seconds ago
[03:55:07] wagnerrp: she sure is active on the mailing list, wonder why she left irc
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[03:57:57] Beirdo: freaking SSDP crashes
[03:58:04] Beirdo: #9005
[03:59:48] Beirdo: sigh
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[04:35:06] ** wagnerrp prods kormoc **
[04:40:16] [R]: FFS
[04:40:21] [R]: my firewire took a crap
[04:40:23] [R]: missed a recording
[04:42:05] [R]: wagnerrp: can i announce as playback from the python bindings?
[04:42:52] wagnerrp: sure
[04:42:59] wagnerrp: noshutdown=True or something like that
[04:44:55] [R]: oh but i need sql
[04:44:56] [R]: blah
[04:45:43] wagnerrp: eh?
[04:47:43] kormoc: wagnerrp, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Special:Version
[04:48:54] wagnerrp: great, thanks!
[04:52:22] [R]: wagnerrp: i was hoping to do something for my embedded box
[04:53:32] wagnerrp: yes, for now, all the major classes expect you to have database access
[04:53:40] wagnerrp: only the very base connections dont
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[05:01:03] Beirdo: oh, it's so nice having a box that will keep up with my recordings with commflagging :)
[05:15:26] ** Beirdo wonders where everyone is :) **
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[05:20:51] wagnerrp: Beirdo: its a miracle, the mythical guy is switching to python
[05:21:59] Beirdo: oy!
[05:22:04] Beirdo: you win :)
[05:22:13] wagnerrp: but hes doing it all wrong
[05:22:20] Beirdo: but of course
[05:22:23] Beirdo: hehe
[05:23:08] wagnerrp: hes trying to find the programinfo that matches his filename
[05:23:21] wagnerrp: so he pulls all the programs from the backend, checks the first
[05:23:33] wagnerrp: if that doesnt match, he pulls all the programs from the backend, checks the second
[05:23:37] Beirdo: hahaha
[05:23:39] Beirdo: OMG
[05:23:43] wagnerrp: 'oy!' is right
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[05:24:07] Beirdo: let's do this in the dumbest way we can imagine
[05:31:05] Beirdo: I so can't believe that I recorded this crap.... or that I'm watching it
[05:31:16] Beirdo: WTH is wrong with me?
[05:31:58] Beirdo: frickin Glee... This show seriously needs to be shot.
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[05:41:06] [R]: does anyone else hate the cinemetogarphy and music in stargate universe?
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[05:42:23] Beirdo: this show may be drivel, but it's definitely giving my 5.1 setup a workout
[05:43:25] [R]: Beirdo: i love being surrounded
[05:43:37] Beirdo: heh
[05:43:48] Beirdo: some day I'll get the rear speakers as REAR.
[05:44:15] [R]: where are they?
[05:44:27] Beirdo: on the floor.
[05:44:32] Beirdo: by the tv
[05:44:35] [R]: haha
[05:44:39] Beirdo: so bottom instead of rear
[05:44:41] Beirdo: heh
[05:45:41] Beirdo: Tomorrow night is Terriers – Fustercluck
[05:45:43] Beirdo: hehe
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[06:01:35] Beirdo: Whoah
[06:01:48] Beirdo: 325fps on the Detroit 1-8–7 commflag
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[06:35:50] Beirdo: OMG.
[06:35:52] Beirdo: hahahaha
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[06:36:17] Beirdo: update-grub on my devel box just pulled up every old domu root filesystem
[06:36:45] Beirdo: stupid thing
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[06:36:54] Beirdo: Found Ubuntu 7.04 (7.04) on /dev/mapper/optData-xen--trac--hda1
[06:36:56] Beirdo: hehe
[06:37:13] Beirdo: no, I don't want that in my boot menu, you piece of junk
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[06:44:52] Beirdo: hmmm
[06:45:00] Beirdo: and now it's borked again
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[06:48:53] wagnerrp: this thing just refuses to run the javascript to make the collapsiness work
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[06:49:41] Beirdo: ugh, where am I supposed to put module parameters in ubuntu again?
[06:52:18] Beirdo: I think I got it
[06:57:32] jk-: /etc/modprobe.d/<whatever>.conf
[07:03:14] Beirdo: stoth: you in?
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[07:43:55] justinh: Beirdo: grub2----- :-(
[07:44:24] Beirdo: hehe
[07:44:27] Beirdo: no kidding
[07:49:19] jk-: Beirdo: btw, thanks for the fix for 8878 :)
[07:52:47] Beirdo: no problem
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[07:57:29] wagnerrp: success!
[07:58:14] wagnerrp: only took two hours of tinkering and relearning javascript and firebug
[07:59:55] ** xand stabs his WinTV card.... TV is fine with my aerial signal but mythtv can't get anything at all on any channel **
[07:59:58] xand: sigh
[08:00:41] wagnerrp: what card?
[08:02:08] justinh: sounds like a framegrabber
[08:02:25] justinh: s/Win/Lose/
[08:03:01] justinh: all the nondescript 'wintv' cards people mention tend to just be framegrabbers
[08:07:32] justinh: xand: FYI if you're trying to scan analogue with mythtv 0.22 it won't work
[08:07:41] xand: I'm not.
[08:07:58] xand: it's a nova-t card... it was working fine
[08:08:06] xand: but now it's decided the signal is too weak
[08:08:19] justinh: is the coax connector on the card ok?
[08:08:41] xand: it appears to be... I shall fiddle with cables this evening
[08:09:14] justinh: I hate those UHF connectors (Belling-Lee)
[08:09:22] xand: yes so do I
[08:09:39] justinh: F-connectors used in the USA etc aren't perfect but they're better IMHO
[08:10:07] justinh: wouldn't care but most of the plugs you can buy now aren't even solderable. they're these stupid screw terminal ones
[08:10:23] justinh: as for ready-made leads.. ugh
[08:10:27] xand: indeed, with rubbish screws/plastic that don't tighten properly
[08:11:00] justinh: find a ham radio shop.. they tend to have better quality ones :-)
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[08:11:33] justinh: I might one day replace all my coax connectors with F type. said that many times :D
[08:11:54] xand: even on the cards? going to solder a new connector on?
[08:12:03] justinh: that would be the plan
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[08:13:55] wagnerrp: wait, you /like/ F connectors?
[08:13:58] wagnerrp: the threaded stuff?
[08:15:30] sid3windr: why not?
[08:15:36] sid3windr: it screws on and sits tight :p
[08:15:54] wagnerrp: but its a PITA
[08:16:00] sid3windr: why?
[08:16:06] wagnerrp: doesnt your stuff usually have BNC connectors?
[08:16:21] sid3windr: noes
[08:16:22] justinh: wagnerrp: they can't fall out like our crappy belling-lee types
[08:16:33] justinh: actually BNC would be a better bet
[08:16:50] wagnerrp: push, twist, done...
[08:16:52] justinh: they're a bugger to crimp though
[08:17:08] justinh: I've been doing them for years now & I still mess up
[08:17:12] wagnerrp: as opposed to F connectors which are twist, twist, twist, twist, take a break to bandage your fingers, twist, twist...
[08:17:23] sid3windr: at least in .be this is the connector on coax: http://www.tme.eu/katalog_pics/b/1/6/b1664d36 . . . ax%20m_m.jpg
[08:17:31] simcop2387: wagnerrp: that's what a wrench is for
[08:18:07] ** sid3windr finally ordered a sat smart card.. now to get cam reader/cam /dish/cables/f-connectors/disecq switches/... :| **
[08:18:14] justinh: simcop2387: that's what I call 'belling Lee'
[08:18:17] wagnerrp: simcop2387: thats nice, unless your crap has inexplicable plastic tabs preventing you from getting anything on it
[08:18:24] xand: sid3windr: the same here (for terrestrial)
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[08:18:43] justinh: must be a european thing
[08:18:50] xand: and some of them are really loose and just fall out... others are tight and won't budge
[08:18:53] justinh: they went with F connectors for cable & satellite
[08:18:59] xand: like molex power connectors I guess :D
[08:19:27] justinh: xand: yeah & the tight ones can actually bend a socket out of shape a little making inserting other connectors impossible
[08:19:59] justinh: BNC is way over specified for the job of carrying small signals – but I like that
[08:20:30] sid3windr: cable -data- is f-connector here, cable tv signal (digital/analog) isnt
[08:20:39] justinh: we had a VCR once which had composite in/out on PL259 connectors. the body of those is about an inch diameter
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[08:21:59] xand: ah well... at least it's not as bad as scart ;)
[08:22:42] justinh: scart is fine if you make custom cables :-)
[08:23:13] justinh: like just enough wiring to work & no more.. so lighter, thinner & more flexible
[08:23:31] justinh: means the weight & stiffness of the cable doesn't pull it out of the socket :D
[08:24:38] xand: somehow Samsung have made the scart sockets on my newish TV so the plugs don't come out too easily... they "click" in
[08:25:07] xand: though when my wii component cable arrives I won't need them anymore
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[08:27:14] justinh: still pondering putting a dish up. started coming round to the idea of HD as an excuse to buy a bigger screen tv
[08:27:36] justinh: freeview looks like arse on a 32" CRT on a lot of stuff my wife watches (ITV)
[08:28:03] justinh: you don't even have to be sitting up close to see the blocking artifacts anymore
[08:37:06] wagnerrp: almost doesnt seem worth doing component just for 576p
[08:37:14] wagnerrp: or are yours 480p?
[08:38:51] justinh: depends on your tv. some really aren't all that hot at turning composite or svideo into a colour picture
[08:39:08] justinh: so going direct RGB or component can make a heck of a difference
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[09:11:14] xand: freeview is ok on my 32" LCD... though we don't watch ITV ;)
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[09:11:36] xand: living in a flat we're not allowed to have our own dish/aerial but they're meant to be putting a dish on the room
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[09:18:46] sid3windr: xand: will it have a 16-way lnb? :P
[09:19:01] xand: 26-way
[09:19:16] xand: I don't know how it works but that's what it's meant to do
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[09:54:46] lyricnz: ugh, can't figure out this jamu thing...
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[10:00:26] jayage: lyricnz: how is the new theme working?
[10:00:46] lyricnz: it's fine – now that I/we solved the screen sizing issue
[10:01:03] lyricnz: Wife doesn't like the new theme, but she'll get used to it ;)
[10:01:27] jayage: how about you? especially videos...
[10:01:59] lyricnz: well, the built in metadata thingy sucks at dealing with grotty filenames. hence my playing with jamu
[10:02:05] lyricnz: but it's kindof pretty
[10:02:16] lyricnz: got too much content though, no way I'm going to do it one-by one
[10:02:26] jayage: i understand
[10:02:46] jayage: what i had to do was to use regexp powers of rename, as mentioned earlier
[10:03:10] jayage: if you look into that and batch rename files, it will make things much easier
[10:03:26] jayage: other possibility is to customize jamu, of course
[10:04:02] lyricnz: jamu seems capable of using directories since 0.23
[10:04:18] lyricnz: but it doesn't seem to be obeying it's config file. probably getting something from mythdb
[10:07:33] justinh: heh wife didn't like arclight, so she decided it wasn't gonna be used. End of story
[10:09:06] lyricnz: what do you use?
[10:17:28] ServerSage: So does anybody here use a hdpvr on osx with mythtv?
[10:18:05] ServerSage: Let me rephrase: Does anybody know if it's possible to use a hdpvr on osx with mythtv.  :)
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[10:51:35] justinh: ServerSage: nah the only capture device you're likely able to use on a native osx backend is the HDHR
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[11:31:28] ServerSage: justinh: Meh, the OTA channels here are kinda slim, guess I'm stuck with a linux box.
[11:33:41] jayage: nothing wrong with that
[11:34:21] jayage: i was considering bying os x machine with eyetv, but choice of tuners was too limited
[11:34:25] ServerSage: jayage: I just got my electric bill, there is PLENTY wrong with having another computer running.
[11:34:35] jayage: and they were rather costly
[11:36:08] jayage: ServerSage: i see. but it is possible to let mythtv sleep and auto-wakeup
[11:37:06] jayage: ServerSage: of course, the components have to be hand-picked for it to work on the desktop mainboards
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[11:38:01] ServerSage: jayage: Yeah, and my current linux box is getting long in the tooth. I might just try a linux VM on my mac. I'd LOVE to get rid of this other computer.
[11:38:40] jayage: VM is an elegant option for backend
[11:38:51] justinh: no it isn't :)
[11:38:57] ServerSage: jayage: Indeed. As long as you don't need PCI cards.
[11:39:34] justinh: if you don't absolutely need to virtualise something, don't
[11:39:38] jayage: justinh: why?
[11:39:49] ServerSage: jayage: overhead
[11:40:10] jayage: ServerSage: negligible, from my experience
[11:40:14] justinh: overhead, additional complexity...
[11:40:43] justinh: virtualisation just seems to be the 'in' thing & loads of people are doing it unneccessarily
[11:40:44] jayage: i'd see only one problem, which would be graphics. otherwise, speeds are great these days on decent HW
[11:41:17] ServerSage: justinh: Meh, even with overhead it's going to be faster than my current linux box.  :) As for complexity, I'm not sure it gets much simpler than what VMWare has out there.
[11:41:19] jayage: well, for me it is great. if once in a while some site works only with IE, which is rare
[11:41:45] jayage: or some SW only works in win, well, there is my old Xp license for that running in VMware
[11:42:16] justinh: I'm just saying it's not always suitable but too many people use it as a solution looking for a problem
[11:42:26] ServerSage: justinh: I'll give ya that.
[11:42:37] ServerSage: justinh: On the other hand, I have a problem and need a solution. Hehe.
[11:42:50] ServerSage: Problem: Wife saw electric bill
[11:42:59] ServerSage: lol
[11:43:24] jayage: justinh: true. but that doesn't detract from it's usefullness, when you really have a good idea for it
[11:43:59] ServerSage: jayage: I think he agrees, but he makes a good point. There are a lot of people out there just just installed vmware and put 10 different vms on their systems *because* they could.
[11:44:56] justinh: like.. I've even seen people talking about the possibility of making a 'cloud' based DVR
[11:44:58] jayage: justinh: i got that. at a same time, it is hard to get why would someone virtualize just for the sake of it
[11:45:17] jayage: but, when it helps them to feel l33+
[11:45:19] jayage: :)
[11:45:43] ServerSage: justinh: Sounds like a legal/drm nightmare.
[11:45:50] justinh: ah yes, tiny genital syndrome
[11:45:57] ServerSage: lol
[11:46:07] ServerSage: On that note, I'm going to bed.
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[12:05:50] justinh: ugh. Star Wars franchised to be done in 3D. Yawn
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[12:36:00] jayage: you have to keep pushing special editions
[12:36:19] jayage: houses and yachts are more and more expensive
[12:36:25] jayage: damn inflation ;)
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[13:06:41] ThisOtherGuy: Hi all – does anyone know if there's a reason that there's no HD-Only flag for recording schedules, or if it's just because no one has written a patch to do it?
[13:09:31] justinh: yes there is
[13:09:36] justinh: 'prefer HD'
[13:09:52] justinh: or do you mean on a per-rule basis?
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[13:10:32] ThisOtherGuy: I meant on a per-rule basis – and not just prefer but "only record"
[13:10:59] justinh: just delete yer SD channels then :-P
[13:11:05] ThisOtherGuy: e.g. my wife likes Law & Order and it comes on a million times a day, but she only wants the hd ones which come on 200K times a day
[13:11:18] justinh: or make the SD channels invisible
[13:11:43] ThisOtherGuy: we have some SD channels with no HD equivalents that we want to keep for other things
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[13:17:09] justinh: gah I hate talking to certain software developers here
[13:17:24] justinh: "it should work" they say. Yeah.. course it should. I mean YOU wrote it, right?
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[13:17:56] justinh: frickin stupid prototypes. there are no docs & I'm not even sure the software guys know how to get the damn things to work
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[13:33:18] skd5aner: hmmm, Lone Star was cancelled after only 2 showings
[13:33:27] skd5aner: bummer, it was alright... oh well
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[13:37:20] Carl__: I get a "mythtv is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings" error after a system reboot.....restarting the backend seems to fix it....any ideas?
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[14:07:16] jayage: Carl__: I've only got that kind of an error when i messed with my networking
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[14:09:16] Carl__: changing host name or ip?
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[14:12:28] Carl__: I'm not sure why just restarting the backend seems to fix it
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[14:23:27] jayage: changing host name
[14:23:31] jayage: that is weird
[14:23:38] jayage: i haven't seen that yet
[14:23:44] jayage: what's in the log?
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[14:28:13] Carl__: I think I was looking in the wrong place.....found a /dev/video0 permission error which brought me to this link
[14:28:16] Carl__: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8975480&postcount=9
[14:28:25] Carl__: rebooting now to try
[14:31:24] jayage: ok
[14:31:25] Carl__: works.....thanks for the help.....this PVR150 card is quite something to get working with ubuntu :)
[14:31:47] jayage: really – i've used it in 8.04 for years without any issues
[14:31:50] jayage: super stable
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[14:32:55] Carl__: I've used it for years in knoppmyth....just my frist try with ubuntu....I'm sure it's stable once it's working
[14:33:16] Carl__: I had the blaster problem and this problem but I think it's good now
[14:33:30] jayage: linuxtv supported it for a long time
[14:33:48] Tooncis: Is there beta development for mirobridge.py? Miro is getting ready to update the way their database keeps data, so it makes mirobridge.py error. I'm using the beta version and would like to test mirobridge.py if there is a beta.
[14:33:49] jayage: i remember that getting it to work was easy, using mythbuntu
[14:34:29] Carl__: do you still use it with 10.04?
[14:34:53] jayage: not anymore, i've switched to sattelite, mostly
[14:35:15] jayage: using hvr-4000 now, works great with free channels
[14:35:33] jayage: wintv-ci doesn't work yet with linux, but that does not bother me
[14:36:03] jayage: HD too, also very stable
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[14:36:23] Carl__: I've got some ATSC tuners I'm going to try but need to get the base system stable first :)
[14:36:36] jayage: ah, these we don't use here
[14:36:49] jayage: dvb-s/dvb-s2
[14:37:09] RDV_Linux: Tooncis: There is no beta version of mirobridge. When Miro does a new release and they change their interface code that is when I update mirobridge. Sounds like another update will be required.
[14:37:27] jayage: also dvb-t. that is bit of a trouble with hvr-4000, requires compiling drivers
[14:37:34] jayage: at least on 10.04
[14:37:47] jayage: no major hassle though
[14:37:50] RDV_Linux: Tooncis: Thanks for alerting me about the pending issue.
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[14:38:47] Tooncis: Yes, they changed it about 2 weeks ago and it appears it will be making its way to the next release. I've been helping test some of the bugs and got several fixed that are going to make Miro an almost perfect companion to Myth. I would love to test and give feedback to mirobridge.
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[14:40:09] RDV_Linux: Tooncis: Do you frequent this channel often? Also what is the projected release date?
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[14:40:43] Baylink: QUERY: My sis notes that, after upgrading to .23.1, the Info pages on scheduled and recorded programs no longer *show which rule caused them*. Was that dropped purposefully?
[14:40:49] Tooncis: Oct 10th
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[14:41:17] Tooncis: There is a schema.py that I think would help you.
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[14:43:21] RDV_Linux: Tooncis: Well then I will likely look into it this coming weekend as there is not a whole lot of time. Mirobridge uses all the interface code from their CLI and never touches the DB directly. Usually all that needs to change is a renamed interface api or two.
[14:44:22] Tooncis: I can send you what I get as far as errors and the updated schema if you would like.
[14:44:48] RDV_Linux: Tooncis: I would appreciate that. Please use pastebin.
[14:45:11] Tooncis: ok, give me a min and I'll send you the links
[14:46:43] RDV_Linux: Tooncis: NP I will be around
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[15:12:14] marc_us: Good Morning!
[15:12:25] marc_us: or Evening... depending where you reside
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[15:26:10] Baylink: Beirdo: you know anything about that?
[15:26:28] Beirdo: huh?
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[15:26:47] Beirdo: oh, not sure
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[15:29:45] iamlindoro: *shudder* Star Wars 3D conversion and rerelease.... UGH
[15:30:12] Beirdo: heheh
[15:30:26] skd5aner: luke shot first... IN 3D!
[15:30:32] skd5aner: Haan
[15:30:33] skd5aner: :P
[15:30:37] iamlindoro: Han
[15:30:44] iamlindoro: This isn't Norway
[15:30:47] iamlindoro: ;)
[15:30:49] Baylink: Yeah, saw that. Ick. Thanks, Beirdo
[15:30:56] skd5aner: yea – that time it was my kvm's fault
[15:30:57] jayage: consensus on slashdot: lucas wants to add depth to his characters
[15:31:00] Beirdo: no problemo
[15:31:01] skd5aner: sticks keys sometimes
[15:31:17] Beirdo: Lucas wants to milk the cash cow again
[15:31:21] Beirdo: that is all
[15:31:53] jayage: :) sarcasm alert
[15:32:01] Beirdo: where?
[15:32:07] jayage: well – that is kinda obvious
[15:32:14] jayage: adding depth
[15:32:28] skd5aner: only logical conclusion is that we'll see Indiana Jones in 3D shortly thereafter
[15:32:46] Beirdo: double ugh
[15:32:56] jayage: sweet lord, make it stop
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[15:33:03] skd5aner: "OH, THE GIANT BOULDER IS GOING TO RUN OVER THE AUDIENCE!"
[15:33:26] jayage: not only he destroys his franchises with prequels, sequels and whatnot
[15:33:51] Beirdo: the Star Wars Prequels were planned from the beginning
[15:33:53] jayage: best solution would be to shorten copyright, so that people have to come with new things
[15:33:58] Beirdo: as were 3 more sequels
[15:34:11] Beirdo: dunno if he'll ever bother with the last 3
[15:34:21] jayage: what wasn't planned, at least let's hope so, that they would suck so hard
[15:34:23] skd5aner: oh, he'll bother
[15:34:35] skd5aner: because all of us will go see it, even if we know it's a big steaming pile of poo
[15:34:42] iamlindoro: Beirdo: I think that's a retcon, personally-- if you read the original script, which calls itself "episode 1," it incorporates the first three movies, and that's all
[15:34:56] iamlindoro: I think he rewrote history a bit after that ;)
[15:35:06] Beirdo: heh, that could be
[15:35:32] Beirdo: Lucas is a big dork anyways
[15:35:38] Beirdo: heh
[15:36:11] jayage: no way. i haven't seen him signing any commits ;)
[15:36:16] iamlindoro: He is a dork
[15:36:46] iamlindoro: Well, he at least needs to not direct his own movies, ever again
[15:37:05] iamlindoro: Irvin Kershner is *still alive*
[15:37:13] iamlindoro: imagine how the prequels would have been if he had directed
[15:37:19] jayage: not when he can re re re re re release everything 50 times
[15:37:38] Beirdo: not that Disney doesn't do taht crap too
[15:37:50] skd5aner: The "Lucas Vault"?
[15:38:25] skd5aner: imagine if he remastered the remasters?!
[15:38:35] skd5aner: what a visual treat!
[15:38:37] skd5aner: :P
[15:38:37] Beirdo: he will, don't worry
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[15:40:11] skd5aner: might as well jump on the publicity bandwagon and release Myth3D
[15:40:22] skd5aner: I bet you'd convert some XBMC users ;)
[15:40:53] skd5aner: heh, create a 3D theme with the traditional blue/red glasses
[15:40:55] Beirdo: only works on crappy 3D TVs?
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[15:45:10] jayage: we need some sane place, respite from such crazes
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[15:47:56] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: this guy just wont go away
[15:49:14] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: guess the blacklist doesn't work?
[15:49:18] iamlindoro: the URL one, that is
[15:49:32] wagnerrp: guess not
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[15:51:16] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: is it possible we need this installed before it does anything? http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist ?
[15:51:29] iamlindoro: I guess maybe so
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[15:54:28] wagnerrp: he ran away so we couldnt ask for more extensions... :)
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[15:59:18] skd5aner: so, watching some of the conversation in #mythtv, and I've been debating for a few weeks if I should invest in a Blu-ray player for the frontend at this point
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[15:59:47] skd5aner: or maybe wait until it matures a bit more after 0.24
[15:59:56] ugliefrog: hello im running ubuntu 10.04 frsh install...watch live tv works..no sound tho any suggestions
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[16:00:28] wagnerrp: skd5aner: do you currently watch dvds on your frontend?
[16:00:33] skd5aner: yup
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[16:00:51] skd5aner: usually isos, but the occasional disc
[16:00:52] wagnerrp: ugliefrog: sounds like youve got configuration issues between ubuntu, mythtv, alsa, and pulse
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[16:02:15] ugliefrog: wagnerrp, drats, not just a simply clik this :)
[16:02:54] wagnerrp: is there a reason you went with ubuntu+mythtv, instead of mythbuntu?
[16:03:05] wagnerrp: mythbuntu comes with pulseaudio pre-stripped
[16:04:00] ugliefrog: wagnerrp, well thats how i had it setup before i reinstalled everything..was quite happy with it..but then again it worked then :0
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[16:14:52] ezzieyguywuf: I am interested in installing mythtv on my p4 computer, but I've been told I don't have enough juice to do hd properly
[16:15:06] wagnerrp: that is correct
[16:15:26] wagnerrp: the high end ones can do broadcast MPEG2
[16:15:29] ezzieyguywuf: and, isn't there a way to unload the processing of the hd stream to an external source?
[16:15:32] wagnerrp: but anything else is out of reach
[16:15:41] wagnerrp: you can unload it to an nvidia card
[16:15:48] ezzieyguywuf: I have an nvidea card
[16:15:48] wagnerrp: but most P4 systems were AGP
[16:15:59] wagnerrp: and there are no AGP nVidia cards that support VDPAU
[16:16:23] ezzieyguywuf: wagnerrp: ok, so would you maybe mind explaining this in-depth to me a little more? what exactly is the problem with using the p4 for hd on myth?
[16:16:38] ezzieyguywuf: is it transcoding the stream? is it playback in realtime?
[16:16:58] wagnerrp: recording HD material does not require encoding
[16:17:13] wagnerrp: as from all sources that make HD material available to mythtv, it is pre-encoded
[16:17:34] wagnerrp: the problem is the processor is simply incapable of decoding any worthwhile HD material in real time
[16:17:43] ugliefrog: music and internet plugins work...hear sound from those guys just not live tv...dangitness
[16:18:03] ezzieyguywuf: I see. Is it the processor speed? to I need more GHz?
[16:18:13] ezzieyguywuf: or is it just some flaw in the procs design?
[16:18:27] wagnerrp: there is a serious flaw processor design
[16:19:00] wagnerrp: intel beat on that dead horse for five years before abandoning it and falling back to a P3 derivative
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[16:19:43] ezzieyguywuf: yea thats over my head, I dunno the distinctions between p{3,4} nor what the flaws of the p4 are
[16:19:54] ezzieyguywuf: I just know that I have one that I use as a server and it'd be nice to use it as a myth box
[16:20:11] wagnerrp: the netburst architecture was simply a piss poor architecture
[16:20:22] ezzieyguywuf: so, is my p4 capable of at least recording an hd stream?
[16:20:32] wagnerrp: they made the pipeline extremely long in search of high clock rates
[16:21:00] wagnerrp: but they fizzled out a third of the way from what they expected to reach, due to power consumption issues
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[16:21:36] wagnerrp: and they didnt have the dispatch hardware needed to keep that pipeline filled
[16:22:07] wagnerrp: so you would have all sorts of stalls, where the processor would do nothing waiting to be filled with new data
[16:22:33] wagnerrp: you can record HD off a digital tuner, or an HDPVR
[16:22:39] wagnerrp: both provide pre-encoded video
[16:22:53] wagnerrp: so a pentium 1 could probably record HD
[16:23:32] wagnerrp: all youre doing is dumping that stream to disk, and pulling out the keyframes
[16:23:34] wagnerrp: doesnt take much power
[16:24:29] Baylink: Which is The Way Things Ought To Be.  :-)
[16:24:29] ezzieyguywuf: but the problem would be decoding it
[16:24:42] Baylink: Hardware MPEG on video cards is great stuff.
[16:24:52] ezzieyguywuf: even watching live TV would be a problem, though, as myth records/plays back on the spot right?
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[16:26:00] wagnerrp: recording is irrelevant
[16:26:11] wagnerrp: you couldnt play back pre-recorded content in real time either
[16:26:25] wagnerrp: ezzieyguywuf: specifically, what speed is your CPU?
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[16:27:06] ezzieyguywuf: 3.06GHz
[16:27:26] wagnerrp: a 3.06 could probably manage most of the broadcast ATSC youre going to see
[16:27:36] wagnerrp: but it may choke on very high bitrates
[16:27:58] wagnerrp: but youve got no chance if you want to do digital cable, and get something like an HDPVR
[16:28:10] iamlindoro: make your time
[16:28:13] wagnerrp: and even less of one if you want to get into bluray content
[16:28:43] ezzieyguywuf: no bluray, I just want to connect my hd-out from my box to my computer and record/watch my tv progs
[16:29:06] wagnerrp: 'hd-out from my box'... so youve got an HDPVR?
[16:29:07] ezzieyguywuf: so that I can stop paying $10/mo for the cable companie's hd-dvr
[16:29:30] ezzieyguywuf: wagnerrp: not sure what a pvr is. I connect my cable to it and it spits out hd via hdmi and component cables
[16:29:47] wagnerrp: HDPVR, its a component capture device that works in mythtv
[16:29:59] wagnerrp: the only component capture device that works in mythtv
[16:30:10] wagnerrp: rather, the only /HD/ capture device that worksk in mythtv
[16:30:33] wagnerrp: there are two other that work in linux that i know of, but we dont support them
[16:31:19] ezzieyguywuf: wagnerrp: I would have to purchase one, but I'd be ok with that if I knew my system was powerful enough to do what I want
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[16:31:45] wagnerrp: it wouldnt be
[16:32:30] wagnerrp: and note that youre looking to spend $150-$200 on it, to let you replace the cableco's $10/mo DVR for the cableco's $8/mo cable box
[16:32:38] wagnerrp: mythtv is not a cost saving measure
[16:33:24] iamlindoro: MythTV is the luxury option
[16:33:25] wagnerrp: thats on top of maybe $200 of new computer guts to upgrade your computer to something decent
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[17:05:52] wagnerrp: kormoc: got another favor to ask
[17:06:57] wagnerrp: the extension http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist
[17:07:04] wagnerrp: weve had the blacklist set up for years
[17:07:13] wagnerrp: but its never done anything since the extension wasnt installed
[17:12:12] Beirdo: wagnerrp: thanks for bumping the perl bindings schema
[17:12:45] wagnerrp: yeah, was going to do mythweb too, but i couldnt find it
[17:12:47] Beirdo: didn't we leave a big fat comment in dbcheck.cpp reminding us to update those two files? If not, we should add one
[17:12:53] wagnerrp: i guess it doesnt check the schema?
[17:12:58] wagnerrp: yes, there is one right there
[17:13:06] Beirdo: not sure, but I'd think it should
[17:13:39] Beirdo: OK. :) We just generally have to get better at remembering to read the comments, I guess :0
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[18:25:09] kormoc: wagnerrp, will do tonight
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[18:28:42] johnnyj: so i looked through the code and I don't see where this error message is coming from..."AutoExpire: ERROR: Filesystem Info cache is empty, unable to calculate necessary parameters."
[18:29:40] johnnyj: i'm running trunk and when i review the mailing list history i see someone had this when his mounts for storage were not up – my mounts appear to be fine
[18:31:41] kormoc: johnnyj, on startup? ignore it
[18:32:01] johnnyj: yes it's on startup – what is it ?
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[18:34:56] kormoc: johnnyj, it means you started mythbackend
[18:35:22] kormoc: it means exactly what it says, but it's normal and ignorable unless it's after startup and all that jazz
[18:35:57] johnnyj: and so 'ERROR' is how we want that logged?
[18:36:02] johnnyj: just sayin...
[18:36:12] kormoc: patches welcome
[18:36:38] johnnyj: kormoc: i couldn't find the strings in the code
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[18:49:29] Beirdo: so... nullmodems should arrive today.
[18:49:31] Beirdo: yay
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[19:30:19] derric: Hi, anybody home?
[19:31:12] wagnerrp: no, were all at the bar
[19:31:30] derric: Can I use mythtv to watch live video from a plextor convertx?
[19:31:41] derric: :)
[19:32:08] derric: I have mythtv and the convertx up and running.
[19:32:15] wagnerrp: then you can watch tv using it
[19:32:20] wagnerrp: note that it is not real-time
[19:32:34] wagnerrp: there will be a several second gap between the broadcast and display on your screen
[19:32:35] derric: I'm having touble figuring out how to viiew or record it.
[19:32:55] devinheitmueller: Isn't the convertx the one with that whacky protocol that is like H.264 but not?
[19:32:59] derric: No worries, how do I set up myth to record it then.
[19:33:07] derric: ~it'
[19:33:17] derric: It's usb hardward encoder.
[19:33:35] wagnerrp: devinheitmueller: yeah, the one that provides a compressed video stream, and uncompressed audio
[19:33:43] devinheitmueller: Ah, yeah that's the one.
[19:33:45] derric: mpeg4 default format.
[19:33:49] wagnerrp: requiring you to compress and mux them on your own
[19:34:06] derric: I like to compress the audio to mp3
[19:34:29] derric: There is also the sync issues.
[19:34:41] derric: I guess that's what you mean by mux.
[19:35:17] derric: I want to use the recorded video to edit in cinelerra.
[19:35:22] wagnerrp: unlike normal hardware encoders which provide a single stream
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[19:35:27] derric: so what ever would be best for that.
[19:35:44] wagnerrp: the plextor junk provides two independent streams, which must be separately handled, and multiplexed together
[19:35:50] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: these things must be dirt cheap, because I cannot imagine why anybody would buy one.
[19:35:52] wagnerrp: resulting in your sync issues
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[19:36:18] wagnerrp: devinheitmueller: no, they were considerably more expensive than the PVR cards, and i think even more than the USBPVR
[19:36:18] derric: I got it years ago to convert VHS to digital.
[19:36:32] devinheitmueller: Ah.
[19:36:32] derric: It was about $200
[19:36:42] wagnerrp: people got them because it did mpeg4, and mpeg4 is better than mpeg2 right? right?
[19:36:52] derric: :)
[19:37:28] devinheitmueller: derric: save yourself some headaches and buy something that is better supported. Your time *must* be worth more than the $120 it would take to buy a better product.
[19:37:49] wagnerrp: do you /need/ to use USB?
[19:37:53] wagnerrp: no free PCI ports?
[19:37:53] derric: When I try to record it, mythfrontend says no channels availble to record.
[19:38:06] derric: It's a standalone unit.
[19:38:15] wagnerrp: derric: have you gone through mythtv-setup?
[19:38:20] harrisonk: where should I go for a list of compatible capture cards
[19:38:33] wagnerrp: set up a video source, pulled your lineup from schedules direct, mapped to your tuner card
[19:38:35] wagnerrp: !url tuners
[19:38:35] MythLogBot: tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information
[19:38:38] derric: yep, I configured the setup to use the device.
[19:38:43] harrisonk: thanks
[19:38:55] wagnerrp: you cant just add the card, theres a lot more to it
[19:39:01] derric: It said it probed the usb and returned the correct model number.
[19:39:08] wagnerrp: mythtv is designed as a scheduled recorder, not as a simple player
[19:39:21] wagnerrp: it will not work unless youve gone through all those steps
[19:39:22] derric: I get that.
[19:39:28] wagnerrp: and it seems you left out pulling a lineup
[19:39:34] wagnerrp: because it says there are no channels
[19:39:45] derric: I ran mythfilldatabase.
[19:39:53] wagnerrp: did you pull a lineup?
[19:39:57] derric: no.
[19:40:09] wagnerrp: then you have no channels
[19:40:14] derric: if that's an additional step.
[19:40:37] wagnerrp: you need to create a schedules direct account, set up a lineup there, give mythtv your account information, and have it pull the lineup
[19:40:39] derric: Do I do that with the backend setup?
[19:40:45] wagnerrp: yes, mythtv-setup
[19:41:06] derric: OK I give it a try...
[19:41:08] wagnerrp: derric: do you have a spare PCI slot?
[19:41:24] derric: Yes.
[19:41:46] wagnerrp: devinheitmueller's suggestion was that you buy something better supported, something like a PVR-150
[19:41:47] ** devinheitmueller wonders how many ConvertX users there are out there (given the support/code overhead) **
[19:41:55] wagnerrp: theyre available for ~$20 on ebay
[19:42:06] devinheitmueller: If he needs USB, the HVR-1950 and HD-PVR are well supported.
[19:42:08] derric: That's affordable, thanks.
[19:43:35] derric: I had a TV tuner card at one time.
[19:43:52] derric: It was a Haupaugge.
[19:44:04] derric: It worked crummy under windows.
[19:44:09] derric: I think I gave it away.
[19:44:14] wagnerrp: it was probably an old WinTV or WinTV-Go
[19:44:20] wagnerrp: a framegrabber, no hardware compressor
[19:44:22] derric: Old winTV
[19:44:27] derric: Yep
[19:44:45] derric: The new ones are better aye?
[19:44:47] wagnerrp: the PVRs are all mpeg encoder cards, and very well supported
[19:45:00] wagnerrp: hardly 'new', theyve been out of production for several years
[19:45:44] derric: Hmm, I doing this because I'm too poor to afford a Canon hx100r at the monemt.
[19:45:55] derric: So I
[19:46:16] derric: 'm using an old Sharp 8mm camera and the encoder.
[19:46:44] wagnerrp: if you want to record video off a device, mythtv is /not/ what you want
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[19:47:23] wagnerrp: see if ffmpeg or mplayer or vlc has support, and manually capture stuff when you hit play on the camera
[19:47:35] wagnerrp: or pick up one of the PVR cards
[19:47:38] devinheitmueller: I really should write some sort of simple "capture/record" for people who want to convert videos to DVD.
[19:47:40] wagnerrp: and just 'cat' the device node to a file
[19:48:25] derric: I've been using gorecord, but when I put the video into cinelerra the video plays back slower than the audio
[19:48:54] derric: I tried making a toc. although that froze cinelerra when I tried to load the toc.
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[19:49:13] devinheitmueller: Last I tried it, Cinelerra was the best thing out there I could find. And it was crap.
[19:49:24] derric: So I thought it must be something with the format that gorecord produces.
[19:49:28] ** devinheitmueller means no disrespect to any Cinelerra fans out there... **
[19:52:08] devinheitmueller: Anyway, my compile is done. Back to work...
[19:52:41] derric: What option in mythtv-setup is the pull lineup under?
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[19:53:29] wagnerrp: derric: its irrelevant, mythtv is for use recording scheduled TV, not recording off a VCR or camera
[19:53:50] wagnerrp: you could rig it up to do so, but it is absolutely not the proper tool
[19:54:06] wagnerrp: and thats assuming our plextor support still even works
[19:54:11] wagnerrp: i doubt anyone has tested it in years
[19:57:30] sid3windr: could connect an stb through the convertx and get divx out of it ;)
[19:57:35] derric: I would like to get some use out of it. I only captured a few tapes with it long ago.
[19:57:36] sid3windr: there's one for 1 EUR on ebay :>
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[19:58:02] devinheitmueller: I wonder if there is any plan to drop the Plextor support. It's one less piece of code to screw things up, and you could easily argue that if you want to work with such an archaic piece of hardware, stick with 0.23.
[19:58:14] wagnerrp: are you looking to use it to capture tapes? or to record tv?
[19:58:38] derric: Record live camera video.
[19:58:51] wagnerrp: then mythtv is not for you
[19:59:07] derric: So the sharp camcorder records on the computer rather than the tape.
[19:59:33] derric: I don't need to watch it live just record.
[19:59:37] wagnerrp: to be honest, you would probably still be better off picking up a PVR-150 for this purpose
[19:59:54] derric: I can look into that.
[19:59:55] wagnerrp: derric: but youre using it manually
[20:00:04] wagnerrp: mythtv is /hugely/ overkill for that purpose
[20:00:13] devinheitmueller: I agree with wagnerrp. Avoid all complexity entirely. Just stick a PVR-150 in there and type "cat /dev/video > out.mpeg2"
[20:00:14] derric: Yeah I noticed that.
[20:00:29] Beirdo: la la la
[20:00:41] wagnerrp: just run the command before you start playback, and then ctrl-c when you want to terminate the recording
[20:01:01] wagnerrp: dead simple
[20:01:08] devinheitmueller: It's a good thing I'm not on the MythTV steering committee.  ;-)
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[20:02:23] wagnerrp: you would be stripping out old stuff right and left?
[20:02:38] Beirdo: heh
[20:02:49] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: I would be saying all to often: "WTF? Why are we supporting that old crappy hardware?"
[20:02:49] wagnerrp: sounds like the kind of man we need
[20:03:00] Beirdo: well, we can add the Plextor support to the list of targets for removal
[20:03:12] devinheitmueller: "You want to use the MPEG output on a five year old PVR-350? Suck it up and spend $20 on an Nvidia card."
[20:03:18] Beirdo: heh
[20:03:24] wagnerrp: damn the xvmc and xvfb users, full speed ahead!
[20:03:31] Beirdo: we already turfed 350 output, no?
[20:03:38] wagnerrp: yeah, for 0.23
[20:03:38] devinheitmueller: Beirdo: Yeah, finally.
[20:03:59] wagnerrp: wanted to do that for xvmc, and then again for 0.24
[20:04:02] wagnerrp: but it stuck around
[20:04:02] Beirdo: it's great for what it is, but...
[20:04:21] Beirdo: xvmc is at the top of the list of future removals AFAIK
[20:04:39] devinheitmueller: Xvmc is a good idea, but it only works for Via, and it claims to work for Intel but for the most part is completely broken.
[20:04:40] Beirdo: 0.24 will *hopefully* be the last release that includes it
[20:04:52] Beirdo: it used to work for nvidia too
[20:05:01] wagnerrp: devinheitmueller: last i heard, xvmc was broken in the Via drivers
[20:05:05] wagnerrp: the xvmc-vld stuff
[20:05:11] devinheitmueller: It's actually really bad to have functionality which claims to work (and hence users can select it), but then when they try it completely falls down.
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[20:05:20] Beirdo: yeah, for sure
[20:05:42] devinheitmueller: This stuff needs to be braindead simple: you shouldn't be able to enable a feature which isn't supported by your hardware.
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[20:05:52] Beirdo: we need a list of "crap to rip out", and start scheduling the untimely demise of said support
[20:06:04] devinheitmueller: The same crap happens when people cannot figure out whether to select "V4L2" or "IVTV" even though the card clearly knows it's capabilities.
[20:06:12] Beirdo: heh
[20:06:27] devinheitmueller: ... so they select the wrong one and it creates headaches for everybody.
[20:06:27] wagnerrp: crap to rip out... 1. xvmc, 2. v4l2
[20:06:31] Beirdo: the HVR-2250 analog support will show up under the MPEG-2 Recorders... tonight
[20:06:41] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: well, maybe not v4l2.  :-)
[20:06:44] Beirdo: v4l2? I think not
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[20:07:06] devinheitmueller: There are way too many hybrid cards out there where analog is only done via raw.
[20:07:20] Beirdo: if people want to do software encoding, let them
[20:07:22] devinheitmueller: (since most people use analog very rarely, but they do need it to work sometimes)
[20:07:25] wagnerrp: devinheitmueller: you mean digital tuners? they work just fine in mythtv.. :)
[20:07:39] Beirdo: although we might want to rethink the software encoding itself
[20:07:55] wagnerrp: yeah, i would at least love to get away from nuvs
[20:07:59] Beirdo: I use analog daily
[20:08:06] devinheitmueller: My concern would be the *huge* percentage of hybrid cards out there that depend on software encoe.
[20:08:08] devinheitmueller: encode.
[20:08:23] Beirdo: if you include my HDPVR, the majority of my recordings are analog :)
[20:08:24] devinheitmueller: That said, the software encoder could definitely use some TLC.
[20:08:25] iamlindoro: I don't think framegrabber support is going anywhere
[20:08:27] Beirdo: heh
[20:08:35] iamlindoro: Though choosing a better container format would be nice
[20:08:38] Beirdo: the software encoding can use some work
[20:09:09] devinheitmueller: Like most things in open source: the infrastructure is there but somebody has to find and fix all the whacky edge cases.
[20:09:13] wagnerrp: devinheitmueller: just think of the market it could open up for hauppauge, all that tooling for the PVRs, just rip off the tuner and your golden
[20:09:16] wagnerrp: :P
[20:09:20] iamlindoro: Captain_Murdoch has/had an AVVideoRecorder written a while back that replaced NVR and allowed one to select containers and formats of choice, just think it's dropped drastically down his list
[20:09:41] Beirdo: iamlindoro: we should bribe him to get it to come up on that list :)
[20:09:44] iamlindoro: and that the patch had bitrotted last time I heard
[20:10:05] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: I'm not really wearing my Hauppauge hat. I'm approaching this from the "what is best for the community" hat.
[20:10:09] iamlindoro: But still, within reason it would be nice to have that-- even if we only supported a half dozen common codecs and a few well supported containers
[20:10:40] devinheitmueller: iamlindoro: we could do it with VP8 and be royalty free!
[20:10:42] iamlindoro: ie mkv, ogm, mpeg-ts, mpeg-ps, and a few other randoms on the container side would be more than enough, no need to suppot bizare-o ones like NUT, NUV, etc.
[20:10:49] Beirdo: yeah, and we ask the card what raw format it spews, and encode from that
[20:10:57] devinheitmueller: Yeah, MKV would probably be my choice.
[20:11:01] iamlindoro: and mine
[20:11:04] Captain_Murdoch: yes, way down. I never got to the point of testing with a framegrabber, but had mythtranscode generating flv files, mp4 w/ h264, ac3 audio, and other permutations using NuppelVideoRecorder. I abstracted out the encoding/writing into separate classes.
[20:11:27] Beirdo: I think I have a lamegrabber on the shelf somewhere
[20:11:35] Beirdo: if we needed to use one to test :)
[20:11:40] wagnerrp: might be something that gets priority for 0.26, once the recordfile stuff goes in
[20:11:45] Beirdo: yeah
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[20:11:50] Captain_Murdoch: Beirdo, me too, I have 2–3 of them.
[20:12:12] Beirdo: I can't wait to see what ripping sounds we get to make in 0.25 :)
[20:12:34] Beirdo: but first... let's get 0.24 out the door...
[20:12:45] Beirdo: if only some of the crashiness would bugger off
[20:12:49] Beirdo: #9005 for instance
[20:12:58] Beirdo: I chased that bug all weekend
[20:13:04] Captain_Murdoch: I would like to see transcode on the fly for streaming, but can't easily do that to my iPod Touch or iPhone currently. I think ?Chase? was working on testing some things, but ran into some roadblocks I believe.
[20:13:18] Beirdo: and I couldn't find it, but I had a brainwave yesterday
[20:13:53] Beirdo: I think the true issue may be something that did free/delete... and didn't discard the pointer... then we reallocate the memory elsewhere
[20:14:04] Beirdo: and then the wrong thing's clobbering memory
[20:14:21] Beirdo: those bugs are always a royal PAIN to find
[20:14:52] Beirdo: gives me something to look for though
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[20:16:36] devinheitmueller: Beirdo: how reproducible is it? Did you try to valgrind it (since it should catch those sorts of issues).
[20:17:03] Beirdo: I ran the backend under valgrind all Sunday
[20:17:07] devinheitmueller: ok
[20:17:20] Beirdo: found a few uninitialized data things I tried to fix
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[20:17:31] Beirdo: ran again without valgrind... kaboom
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[20:17:50] Beirdo: it dies after a random amount of time, but rarely longer than a couple hours
[20:18:00] Beirdo: and only if the USN is set in config.xml
[20:19:47] Beirdo: and it usually dies in realloc
[20:19:51] Beirdo: for me, at least
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[20:20:00] Beirdo: so it seems to be heap borkage
[20:20:14] devinheitmueller: Yeah, those are always fun...
[20:20:50] Beirdo: so I'll try again this weekend, I guess
[20:20:57] Beirdo: frigging heisenbugs
[20:21:22] iamlindoro: The fact that the BT on that ticket has nothing to do with the stacktrace above isn't helpful
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[20:21:36] Beirdo: yeah, that backtrace is useless
[20:21:55] Beirdo: oooh, look, a running backend... bah
[20:21:58] devinheitmueller: Beirdo: look at the bright side: when I have those problems it takes the entire kernel with it.  :-)
[20:22:08] Beirdo: yeah, I've been there :)
[20:22:25] Beirdo: I remember a certain Intel PCI bridge chip that was non-standard
[20:22:44] Beirdo: we had Linux PC on one side of the bridge... IXP1200 on the other side
[20:23:00] Beirdo: as soon as we tried to DMA either direction, hard-locked both
[20:23:18] Beirdo: turns out... they had the docs wrong with respect to one setup bit.
[20:23:39] Beirdo: flip it the other direction (opposite of the documentation), it worked fine
[20:23:56] Beirdo: thanks, Intel... and the department had been downsized a couple months before
[20:24:30] Beirdo: there was a lot of me pounding on my keyboard... and swearing at the computer... and waiting for fcsk...
[20:24:33] Beirdo: hehe
[20:24:53] Beirdo: doing kernel drivers is oh so fun :)
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[20:25:17] Beirdo: gives me a great appreciation for you guys making the V4L2 drivers :)
[20:25:33] devinheitmueller: yeah, it's just a different set of challenges.
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[20:26:24] Beirdo: it is. gives a great sense of accomplishment when it works... and great frustration getting there :)
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[20:27:44] Beirdo: but yeah, changed the USN tag in my config.xml to borkedUSN... not crashed with that bug since
[20:28:14] Beirdo: so that gives me a vector to follow in the debugging
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[20:52:06] derric: The setup is confusing about setting up a capture card without any channels.
[20:52:31] derric: I set up the capture card option.
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[20:52:56] derric: then when I go to set up video source, it seems to want channels too.
[20:53:40] devinheitmueller: derric: Correct. MythTV does not work without a channel lineup
[20:53:41] devinheitmueller: It's not designed for capturing from some arbitrary composite port. It's for capturing TV.
[20:54:22] devinheitmueller: (in the case of capturing on composite/s-video, there is the expectation that a channel changing script or IR blaster will be used to control a set top box)
[20:54:40] devinheitmueller: hence there is still the expectation that a channel line is present.
[20:55:17] derric: That's an un-avoidable option hugh?
[20:55:28] devinheitmueller: yes.
[20:56:06] derric: There is a convertx with a tuner, although I got the one without a tuner.
[20:56:41] devinheitmueller: Even without a tuner, there is an expectation that you will be using an IR blaster or external channel changing script to control a set top box. Hence MythTV continues to require a channel lineup to be defined.
[20:57:12] derric: Bummer....
[20:59:19] wagnerrp: and were right back where we were an hour ago, mythtv is not what you want to use for your purpose
[20:59:27] devinheitmueller: derric: just define *ANY* channel lineup.
[20:59:57] derric: It says it can'
[21:00:05] derric: t find the channels.
[21:00:10] Beirdo: you CAN run with an empty lineup, but it's not really a highly supported option, and not sure if the setup program will let you.
[21:00:27] wagnerrp: Beirdo: no, you need at least one channel for it to use
[21:00:42] wagnerrp: even if its just a dummy channel, and youre using the /bin/true channel changer
[21:00:48] Beirdo: yeah, an "empty" one with a single dummy
[21:00:50] Beirdo: yeah
[21:00:59] Beirdo: it's not worth it for that use
[21:01:16] Beirdo: especially when cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg works :0
[21:01:57] wagnerrp: Beirdo: the plextor stuff doesnt work that way
[21:02:10] Beirdo: yeah, understood
[21:02:19] ** Beirdo mumbles about buying better hardware **
[21:04:45] marc_us: Beirdo: A better future through the power of science and technology! Open your hearts and wallets!
[21:04:46] derric: It seems like it would be the easist possible option to just capture composite or svideo.
[21:05:03] derric: To code a road block there seems
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[21:05:20] justinh: whoah, 24Gb/sec http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11436939
[21:05:22] Beirdo: sigh.
[21:05:25] derric: a created problem/
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[21:05:53] marc_us: Beirdo: Remember, the UPS guy is the modern Santa
[21:06:08] wagnerrp: derric: mythtv is not designed to 'just capture composite or svideo'
[21:06:25] wagnerrp: mythtv is designed to record tv based off a schedule and recording rules
[21:06:42] marc_us: Beirdo: "For I am Freight Man and I bring you good tidings and a bill of ladding
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[21:07:01] wagnerrp: you cannot easily make it dump a file from your tuner card, as it was never intended to be used that way
[21:07:54] wagnerrp: justinh: you use p60 over there?
[21:08:08] Beirdo: the UPS guy likely knows my name by now, although the apartment building managers receive my packages :)
[21:09:09] wagnerrp: i thought all your stuff was 25/50Hz
[21:09:24] marc_us: Beirdo: See? You bring joy to others as well.
[21:09:26] derric: Hmm, pretuning to channel 0 seems to have gotten my though the setup,
[21:09:31] derric: Now to see if it works.
[21:09:39] wagnerrp: derric: no
[21:09:53] wagnerrp: you said you have the capture-only version, not the tuner
[21:10:02] wagnerrp: so if you attempt to 'pre-tune' something without a tuner
[21:10:07] marc_us: Ok, enough from me on that Beirdo.
[21:10:11] wagnerrp: the backend is just going to barf, and do nothing
[21:10:50] wagnerrp: the 'pre-tune' is for when youre using a tuner input from an external modulator set to some channel
[21:10:51] marc_us: Is having an Xsession available the only way to configure mythtv (mythtv-setu)?
[21:10:58] wagnerrp: the external modulator is usually set to channel 3–4
[21:11:04] wagnerrp: so you set the tuner card to that channel
[21:11:13] marc_us: Or can I tweak the input cards via a terminal session somehow?
[21:11:15] wagnerrp: and then subsequently use an external channel changer to change the channel on the modulator
[21:11:40] wagnerrp: you are using a baseband input
[21:11:46] wagnerrp: no tuning
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[21:14:45] derric: the frontend complained about channel 0 not existing.
[21:14:50] derric: but it ran.
[21:15:04] derric: When I tried to manually schedule a recording it crashed.
[21:15:34] derric: ffrecord would work, If I could get it to compile properly.
[21:15:53] derric: It starts up then crashes in short order when recording.
[21:16:10] wagnerrp: then your time would be better spent resolving the ffrecord issues than trying to shoehorn mythtv into your application
[21:16:45] derric: LOL seems so :)
[21:17:36] wagnerrp: its not that were trying to make what you want to do hard
[21:17:44] wagnerrp: more that were outright ignoring that application
[21:17:56] wagnerrp: as we have no intention to every support such functionality
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[21:29:19] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: what was that complaint about one the xbmc people asking what show and group a user was having problems with, so he could download it and test on his own? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8875#comment:4
[21:30:00] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: Heh, I don't think tralph expected that
[21:30:25] iamlindoro: Suspect he assumed he'd get a little recording
[21:31:02] wagnerrp: not a 624x352p25 xvid encode?
[21:31:12] wagnerrp: where did they even come up with that resolution anyway?
[21:31:14] iamlindoro: I didn't download it, is that what it is?
[21:31:21] iamlindoro: no idea
[21:33:26] wagnerrp: episode of house, in german... not one i ever remember seeing
[21:33:55] iamlindoro: Did he put the full ep up?
[21:34:04] wagnerrp: 3 minutes
[21:35:01] iamlindoro: ah
[21:35:08] wagnerrp: surprisingly high bitrate, ~2–3mbps
[21:35:14] wagnerrp: so maybe it is his own encode
[21:36:02] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: http://club.myce.com/f34/encode-624x352-vs-640x360-260889/
[21:36:11] iamlindoro: take that for what it's worth
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[21:37:05] wagnerrp: sure, but where do they get either of those resolutions from
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[21:37:14] skd5aner: sorry, we can't have talk about piracy in this room
[21:37:15] iamlindoro: I just work here
[21:37:15] skd5aner: :D
[21:37:37] wagnerrp: i mean the content itself is going to be 720 wide
[21:37:46] wagnerrp: so assuming some cropping, maybe 704
[21:37:54] wagnerrp: definately not 624 or 640
[21:37:55] iamlindoro: I can't even stand genuine SD content any more, let alone reduced resolution
[21:38:29] skd5aner: yea, I have a bunch of really old clips collected like 10 years ago... can't stand to ever watch them now
[21:38:54] skd5aner: well, I suppose more like 6–8 years old
[21:39:21] wagnerrp: eew... when did imdb change their page?
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[21:41:53] iamlindoro: "Is this a fully automated process? I rip DVD's that I rent and then leave them as ISO's until I want to watch them. If you can convert to a fraction of the size, keep the quality, and make it fully automated, I'd be interested to do that too!"
[21:41:56] iamlindoro: Seriously, users?
[21:42:06] iamlindoro: what part of that *doesn't* sound like piracy?
[21:42:31] wagnerrp: the part where he rented it
[21:42:36] wagnerrp: rentals are forever, arent they?
[21:42:36] iamlindoro: heh
[21:43:16] wagnerrp: i mean ive got a 5k movie netflix rental sitting here, i paid for all of those
[21:44:18] wagnerrp: i dont think ive even heard of 5000 movies... much less know of that many i would want to keep, or even watch once
[21:44:46] iamlindoro: I have all my films ripped, and they take up MASSIVE closet and garage space, and that's still only....
[21:44:57] iamlindoro: root@Moriarty:/src/mythtv_committing/mythtv/libs/libmythupnp# ls /MythMedia/movies/|wc -l
[21:44:58] iamlindoro: 290
[21:45:35] wagnerrp: where did you read that? i dont see it in the mailing list
[21:46:02] iamlindoro: users list
[21:46:05] wagnerrp: oh.. just one more email i seem to have missed
[21:46:06] iamlindoro: Beirdo replied
[21:46:14] wagnerrp: i see it in the archive, and i got beirdo's response
[21:46:47] Beirdo: heh
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[21:51:42] wagnerrp: im wondering how long you would intend to keep those things around, for a 6–8GB dvd image, or for that matter a 30–40GB bluray image, to be of any concern
[21:52:01] wagnerrp: i mean even the bluray is what... half a week of recording
[21:53:14] kormoc: but but but
[21:53:20] kormoc: you can convert them to a fraction of the size!
[21:53:25] kormoc: and fractions never add up to wholes!
[21:53:26] iamlindoro: I just find it enormously insulting
[21:53:36] iamlindoro: "I'll take your free software, and flip you the bird about your rules, too."
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[22:00:02] devinheitmueller: iamlindoro: duh! Free software is about freedom, and I should be able to talk about illegal things if I want to, even if it means the developers will be held responsible!
[22:00:28] iamlindoro: devinheitmueller: well obviously ;)
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[22:06:48] Beirdo: yeah, even if the NYT, etc misconstrues it as condoned...
[22:07:19] iamlindoro: And the morons on HD Nation
[22:07:25] Beirdo: hahah
[22:07:33] Beirdo: yeah, that was priceless stupidity
[22:07:43] Beirdo: pretty much guaranteed I'll never watch them
[22:08:52] skd5aner: HD Nation?
[22:09:15] skd5aner: Are they friends or foes of the Colbert Nation?
[22:12:56] Beirdo: well, they don't dance...
[22:13:09] skd5aner: heh, new Apple TV only has 256MB of RAM
[22:13:10] Beirdo: and if they don't dance, then they're no friends of mine...
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[22:14:26] skd5aner: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/09/29 . . . _of_ram.html
[22:14:52] Beirdo: Apple... schmapple...
[22:15:00] skd5aner: amen
[22:15:37] Beirdo: hmm. I should buy a Harmony sometime
[22:16:30] Beirdo: too many to choose from
[22:16:47] skd5aner: Beirdo: I equally like them as much as I dislike them
[22:16:51] skd5aner: I've had 3
[22:17:41] skd5aner: 2 of them simply stopped working after a period of time
[22:17:53] skd5aner: and I gave up on the third, but for other reasons
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[22:19:04] Beirdo: the 900 kinda cries out to be purchased
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[22:19:44] Beirdo: or maybe the One
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[22:24:18] skd5aner: Beirdo: here's what I have still sitting NIB – http://www.mynevo.com/html.php?page_id=345
[22:24:31] skd5aner: if only I had the motivation to program it
[22:24:54] skd5aner: but I did get that MCE remote you recommended a few weeks, so I've got the IR receiver ready to go
[22:25:14] Beirdo: yeah, that remote (MCE) is my current remote
[22:25:25] Beirdo: but I like new toys. :)
[22:25:39] Beirdo: it will wait until after I replace the frontend box though
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[22:48:28] Beirdo: yay. null modems have been delivered.
[22:48:42] Beirdo: monoprice FTW
[22:49:05] Beirdo: hopefully these ones WORK ;)
[22:52:39] jams: so um just my .02 stay away from harmony
[22:53:04] jams: all 3 of mine sit in an open box collecting dust
[22:53:29] jams: to lazy to put them on ebay
[22:53:44] dewman: I use mythmote. It works....
[22:54:44] Beirdo: why would I want to stay away from harmony?
[22:54:59] Beirdo: what's the issue?
[22:55:12] jams: they act snobbish
[22:55:25] jams: no really they try to be smart and fail
[22:55:32] Beirdo: so?
[22:55:36] Beirdo: I have an iPhone
[22:55:38] Beirdo: I'm used to that
[22:55:50] jams: buttons are wear out quick
[22:55:58] jams: in general just poor quality
[22:56:37] dewman: I like free
[22:56:39] Beirdo: I see
[22:56:48] jams: for me the placment of buttons was awkward..but the remote did feel correct when holding it
[22:56:58] dewman: and one less item for the 2 year old to grab. =P
[22:57:01] jams: anyway i'm sure others will disagree with me
[22:57:08] Beirdo: I don't have a 2 year old :)
[22:57:20] dewman: hahaha...Thats probally a good thing!
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[23:02:10] Beirdo: You JERKS!
[23:02:26] Beirdo: newegg just put that Zotac mobo on special
[23:02:42] Beirdo: I paid $139.99... it's $119.99 + $20 MIR?!
[23:02:50] Beirdo: I hate you putzes :)
[23:04:09] Beirdo: MIR starts today
[23:04:13] Beirdo: grrr
[23:04:39] Beirdo: ah well :0
[23:04:51] Beirdo: I really shouldn't have looked at their specials page :)
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[23:08:39] dewman: I would complain to them
[23:09:41] Beirdo: meh
[23:09:48] Beirdo: prices change
[23:10:19] dewman: true, computer parts are like commodities.
[23:10:57] Beirdo: good price if anyone's interested, though ;)
[23:12:13] dewman: which one?
[23:12:35] Beirdo: Zotac H55ITX-C-E
[23:12:47] Beirdo: it's a miniITX for i3/i5/i7
[23:12:52] Beirdo: with 6 SATA ports
[23:13:09] Beirdo: it is the core of my new backend machine :)
[23:13:52] Beirdo: I put an i7–860 on there
[23:14:20] dewman: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500043  ?
[23:14:32] Beirdo: no
[23:14:35] Beirdo: -C-E
[23:14:49] Beirdo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500056
[23:15:14] Beirdo: it's on their email promo page, giving another $20 off
[23:15:22] Beirdo: via promo code
[23:20:46] dewman: wow. dont think I can spend that kind of cashola.... hehehe...Will add that to my wish-list.... =)
[23:22:10] ** kormoc blinks **
[23:22:26] kormoc: if $99 is too much, why even look at hardware?
[23:22:30] ** Beirdo blinks back **
[23:22:31] Beirdo: :)
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[23:24:14] dewman: I like to wish
[23:24:44] dewman: plus two kids..... maybe if I record more shows for my wife she would let me spend more... hehehe
[23:25:42] Beirdo: quick, go schedule some crappy shows
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[23:26:42] kormoc: wagnerrp, did you ever figure out a way to handle both the old and new mysql versions in python?
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[23:27:08] dewman: days of our lives here we come.
[23:27:10] dewman: hehehe
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