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| [00:03:03] | clever: | BLZbubba: myth is also effected by the TZ variable |
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| [00:15:36] | Beirdo: | hey, that almost worked |
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| [00:41:57] | Beirdo: | YAY |
| [00:42:10] | Beirdo: | one minor driver change... and it's recording |
| [00:42:31] | Beirdo: | naming 2 inputs the same thing confused mythtv |
| [00:42:49] | Beirdo: | svideo was both input 2 and 5. But I needed 2, and myth chose 5 |
| [00:43:50] | wagnerrp: | what has two inputs of the same name? |
| [00:44:04] | Beirdo: | hvr-2250's analog driver |
| [00:44:11] | Beirdo: | has 2 svideo, 2 aux |
| [00:44:30] | Beirdo: | I just renamed the second to svideo2 and aux2, rebuilt, reinstalled. |
| [00:46:03] | wagnerrp: | right, but theyre on two independent cards, right? |
| [00:46:14] | Beirdo: | no |
| [00:46:20] | Beirdo: | this is PER encoder |
| [00:46:28] | wagnerrp: | each encoder has two? theres an internal switch? |
| [00:46:38] | Beirdo: | yeah, seems so |
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| [00:46:42] | ** Beirdo shrugs ** | |
| [00:47:00] | wagnerrp: | i know my 150s have two svideo and two composite inputs, but i had heard the 500 only had one per encoder |
| [00:47:01] | Beirdo: | v4l2-ctl -n -d /dev/video0 |
| [00:47:22] | Beirdo: | yeah, the 2250 has two svideo, two "aux" per encoder |
| [00:47:32] | Beirdo: | but the first one is the one connected to my cables |
| [00:47:39] | Beirdo: | first svideo that is |
| [00:50:11] | wagnerrp: | ping and needles... pins and needles... |
| [00:50:33] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–27 17:50:23.885 10% Completed @ 32.5799 fps. |
| [00:50:36] | Beirdo: | yay. |
| [00:50:41] | Beirdo: | that's 1080i H.264 |
| [00:50:51] | Beirdo: | just faster than realtime :) |
| [00:50:56] | Beirdo: | and I can do 4 in parallel |
| [00:51:04] | Beirdo: | in theory |
| [00:52:57] | Beirdo: | had to set my channel changer to /bin/true to test capture on the 2250 for now :) |
| [00:53:03] | Beirdo: | stupid null-modems |
| [00:53:53] | Beirdo: | better set it to /bin/false before it tries to record buttloads of wrong shows |
| [00:54:55] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [00:55:55] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: would you know why we open a separate connection for the chanfd and readfd in mpegrecorder.cpp? |
| [00:56:07] | Beirdo: | strikes me as rather silly |
| [00:56:20] | awalls: | Beirdo: if your pvr-500 has the white plastic connectors on the board, then you should have the 2nd cvbs and svideo inputs |
| [00:56:20] | wagnerrp: | um... no? |
| [00:56:22] | biffhero: | speaking of changing channels…. I use a serial port to change channels to my motoroloa box. It takes 7 seconds. So therefore everything starts 7 seconds after the hour. Should I work to move that channel changing seven seconds earlier, and lose the last seven seconds, or leave it, and miss the first seven, or try to split the difference? |
| [00:56:32] | Beirdo: | awalls: It's a HVR-2250 |
| [00:56:52] | wagnerrp: | biffhero: set recording to start a minute early |
| [00:56:57] | Beirdo: | but yeah, they could be routed to the second plastic header |
| [00:57:00] | awalls: | Oh. Sorry read a 500 reference |
| [00:57:09] | Beirdo: | the first one has the inputs for the second encoder |
| [00:57:12] | awalls: | They are |
| [00:57:17] | wagnerrp: | awalls: i thought the 500s only had a single input for each encoder |
| [00:57:18] | Beirdo: | not sure what's on the second header |
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| [00:58:54] | awalls: | Crud. I'm away from home and can't double check... |
| [00:59:09] | biffhero: | wagnerrp: I suppose the "recording timings" is set in minutes, not seconds. Else I could tweak the DB to do everything at 7 seconds early. |
| [00:59:38] | wagnerrp: | yes, minutes... and it only takes integers, not floats |
| [00:59:50] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'll send stoth a note later on. Might be good to keep the names of the enumerated inputs separate to get rid of confusion in things like mythtv |
| [00:59:53] | biffhero: | ok, thanks. |
| [01:00:09] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: it doesnt just use the input ids? |
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| [01:01:01] | Beirdo: | no |
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| [01:01:10] | Beirdo: | it stores the text "svideo" in the db |
| [01:01:20] | Beirdo: | then maps it to the id at runtime |
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| [01:01:39] | Beirdo: | but if two things are named "svideo", it can easily get confused and pick the wrong one |
| [01:02:56] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–27 18:02:47.858 RingBuf(/opt/mythtv/video2/default/2245_20100927173900.mpg) Warning: Taking too long to be allowed to read.. |
| [01:03:25] | Beirdo: | ummm. cut it out, bunghole! The channel changing should have failed, why did you even try to make a ringbuf? |
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| [01:07:51] | Beirdo: | or maybe that's commflag trying to read a bad file |
| [01:07:53] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:08:44] | Beirdo: | which I don't understand |
| [01:09:59] | Beirdo: | yup, it was commflag |
| [01:10:55] | Beirdo: | well that's cool |
| [01:11:09] | Beirdo: | both running mythcommflag processes are reporting 200% CPU |
| [01:12:46] | awalls: | wagnerrp: http://store.hauppauge.com/images/pvr500_av_cable.jpg |
| [01:13:15] | awalls: | Both white headers are right above a respective cx25843 |
| [01:14:05] | awalls: | So I'm pretty sure you can get at least 3 baseband inputs |
| [01:14:42] | wagnerrp: | awalls: right, i had just assumed that was one set of independent inputs per decoder, two per card |
| [01:14:57] | wagnerrp: | at least the second input on the second encoder would be inaccessible |
| [01:15:09] | awalls: | Plus the one on the bracket |
| [01:15:18] | awalls: | Right probably so. |
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| [01:17:08] | awalls: | Beirdo: relying on what the drivers name the inputs should probably be avoided |
| [01:17:38] | awalls: | There's no guarantee of standardization of those strings across drivers |
| [01:18:01] | devinheitmueller: | Well, the naming may not be consistent, but the application should still be passing through whatever the driver advertises. |
| [01:18:18] | awalls: | True |
| [01:18:24] | devinheitmueller: | awalls: or are you suggesting it should be tracking based on the input number as opposed to the label? |
| [01:18:53] | awalls: | I'm not suggesting a solution... |
| [01:19:11] | awalls: | Not very helpful, am I? ;) |
| [01:19:14] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: seems our users are insistent that we keep tuner pages on our wiki |
| [01:19:23] | wagnerrp: | the HVR-1600 page was just undeleted |
| [01:19:27] | devinheitmueller: | One thing to watch out for: some drivers may change the ordering of the devices based on runtime. For example, some cards have a cable assembly with other inputs, and the card can detect if the cable is detected and adjust the input list accordingly. |
| [01:19:32] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: really? |
| [01:19:34] | devinheitmueller: | grr. |
| [01:19:40] | ** devinheitmueller looks ** | |
| [01:20:20] | awalls: | For that one particular page I agree the Myth hvr1600 page is better. |
| [01:20:37] | iamlindoro: | awalls, If that's true, then someone can look at the contents and move them to the linuxtv wiki |
| [01:20:40] | wagnerrp: | awalls: i wont argue with that, which is why it is just blanked, instead of deleted |
| [01:20:41] | devinheitmueller: | Well, if there is stuff not in the LinuxTV wiki, the content should be moved. |
| [01:20:47] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [01:20:53] | awalls: | It does help that the linuxtv wiki still links to it. |
| [01:21:03] | wagnerrp: | heh... thats bad |
| [01:21:07] | devinheitmueller: | The big problem we have today is two separate articles with 95% identical content, and then they drift with contradicting information. |
| [01:21:22] | Beirdo: | yeah, as long as we have a unique input name for each input (even if just with a number appended) that we can map to the numerical ID at record time, all should be good |
| [01:21:23] | awalls: | Well I won't be updating a wiki page from my Ally |
| [01:21:36] | ** iamlindoro would be happy to let the linuxtv folks revert every "this tuner doesn't work in Ubuntu 10.04 AT ALL!" edit ;) ** | |
| [01:22:02] | iamlindoro: | ie, all the "I couldn't get it to work so it's broke" edits |
| [01:22:07] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: you mean there is linux outside the current version of ubuntu? |
| [01:22:13] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [01:22:15] | ** awalls runs off to check ivtv and cx18 strings ** | |
| [01:22:15] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: He did a revert with no defense/justification for his hcange? |
| [01:22:26] | wagnerrp: | nope, just did three reverts and left |
| [01:22:45] | Beirdo: | devinheitmueller: unless of course, it's just not technically possible for the inputs to have unique labels for some reason? |
| [01:22:50] | devinheitmueller: | Lock the page, and put a comment saying if he wants to discuss the merits of his approach, he can come onto #mythtv-users. |
| [01:23:25] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: No, you can have multiple inputs with the same label (although it creates mass confusion when drivers do this, so it is strongly discouraged) |
| [01:24:18] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'm just thinking as a "best practise" for driver writers :) |
| [01:24:36] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: are you arguing that we should mandate that the entries be unique? |
| [01:25:00] | Beirdo: | not mandate, but strongly encourage :) which it seems is already the case |
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| [01:25:08] | devinheitmueller: | I'm sorry, perhaps I jumped too late into the conversation. |
| [01:25:14] | Beirdo: | tis OK |
| [01:25:15] | devinheitmueller: | It is strongly encouraged. |
| [01:25:38] | Beirdo: | Cool. the analog driver for HVR-2250 has 2 "svideo" and 2 "aux". |
| [01:25:40] | devinheitmueller: | That said, I believe in cases where drivers do report multiple inputs with the same name, typically applications append "#2" |
| [01:25:53] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: On a single input device? |
| [01:25:54] | Beirdo: | I locally renamed the second ones to "svideo2" and "aux2" |
| [01:25:55] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [01:26:02] | Beirdo: | on each encoder |
| [01:26:02] | awalls: | Ivtv and cx18 make sure they are unique. |
| [01:26:08] | devinheitmueller: | Ah. |
| [01:26:16] | Beirdo: | I'll shoot stoth an email later on |
| [01:26:32] | Beirdo: | it's seemingly working once I'm on the correct svideo input :) |
| [01:26:33] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, I suspect Steven just had a list of types, and each type has a string. |
| [01:26:55] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: did Steven rig it up to not show the second input if the cable isn't connected? |
| [01:26:56] | Beirdo: | yeah. he told me earlier that most of his analog testing was using the tuner |
| [01:27:00] | Beirdo: | which makes sense |
| [01:27:07] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [01:27:09] | Beirdo: | not sure |
| [01:27:16] | devinheitmueller: | (we did that on other drivers). |
| [01:27:20] | Beirdo: | each encoder has 2 svideo though |
| [01:27:28] | devinheitmueller: | Well, you can unplug the cable and see if it still shows the same list of inputs. |
| [01:27:37] | Beirdo: | and I only have one expander cable on there |
| [01:27:43] | devinheitmueller: | Ok. |
| [01:27:51] | devinheitmueller: | Then I'm going to say he didn't rig it up that way. |
| [01:27:52] | Beirdo: | if I took it off, it would (if anything) affect the second encoder |
| [01:28:10] | Beirdo: | it might be something for future revisions though :) |
| [01:28:11] | devinheitmueller: | I believe the internal cable exposes inputs for both encoders. |
| [01:28:17] | Beirdo: | I'm just happy it works |
| [01:28:34] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, it can be helpful in avoiding confusion (since most users never have the internal cable assembly) |
| [01:28:47] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: im wondering if instead of blanking them for deletion, i should leave them as-is with a notice at the top and lock them |
| [01:28:49] | Beirdo: | well, the backplate that hooks to the first header has inputs for the second encoder, the second one's likely the secondary ones |
| [01:29:16] | Beirdo: | just conjecture on my part of course :) |
| [01:29:20] | wagnerrp: | for those users who dont understand that you can access previous versions of a wiki page |
| [01:29:21] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: Unfortunately, the V4L API doesn't really provide that sort of mechanism. |
| [01:29:41] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: we've got signal detect, and the ability to configure the input list, but we don't have any sort of "cable connected" flag. |
| [01:29:41] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [01:30:06] | ** wagnerrp wonders when the V4L API merged with mediawiki... ** | |
| [01:30:07] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [01:30:13] | awalls: | Ivtv and cx18 always list the inputs (cable or not)? |
| [01:30:23] | devinheitmueller: | awalls: yeah, that's what I figured. |
| [01:30:24] | Beirdo: | I think we confused him :) |
| [01:30:36] | awalls: | Oops no ? |
| [01:30:44] | devinheitmueller: | awalls: to be clear, we're not talking about whether somebody connected the s-video cable, it's about whether they connected the expansion bracket. |
| [01:30:58] | awalls: | Icant type on this damn thing |
| [01:31:14] | awalls: | Yup. Clear. |
| [01:31:34] | devinheitmueller: | For example, on the Viewcast board, there is a 19" rackmount cable assembly which exposes 12 inputs. I don't want to show all those possible inputs if the cable assembly isn't connected. |
| [01:31:35] | devinheitmueller: | Ok. |
| [01:31:48] | Beirdo: | I had to hack up mythtv's code some to get the card to record "nicely" |
| [01:32:03] | Beirdo: | and I'm not sure how much of that ended up being technically necessary |
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| [01:32:38] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: have you tried toggling back and forth between analog and digital on the same tuner? That's where most of these cards get screwed up. |
| [01:32:43] | Beirdo: | things like telling myth not to try to set audio bitrates, etc. the driver doesn't support it |
| [01:32:54] | Beirdo: | nope. I only have analog hooked up |
| [01:32:59] | devinheitmueller: | Ok. |
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| [01:33:11] | Beirdo: | I could at some point though |
| [01:33:22] | Beirdo: | add a couple drops from the antenna amp |
| [01:33:26] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, that would be a useful test. |
| [01:33:42] | Beirdo: | or one drop, I guess. It shares an RF connector, no? |
| [01:33:47] | devinheitmueller: | Even if you hook to a cable feed that has both analog channels and Clearqam. |
| [01:33:57] | Beirdo: | I don't have cable :( |
| [01:34:01] | devinheitmueller: | Ah, ok. |
| [01:34:04] | Beirdo: | ATSC I can do :) |
| [01:34:21] | awalls: | I don't have cable :) |
| [01:34:38] | devinheitmueller: | Well, you could try to go between ClearQAM and an s-video feed hooked to a DVD player or VCR. |
| [01:35:00] | devinheitmueller: | It's not as definitive, since it doesn't exercise the tuner. But it will validate the basic DMA path. |
| [01:35:05] | Beirdo: | I could do ATSC and svideo from my DirecTV recever easily enough |
| [01:35:21] | Beirdo: | but yeah, doesn't hit the tuner |
| [01:35:22] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: I would give that a try if you get a few minutes. |
| [01:35:34] | Beirdo: | can do |
| [01:35:48] | Beirdo: | it's only one RF input for TV, right? The other one's the FM? |
| [01:36:07] | Beirdo: | model 1229 (if that makes a difference) |
| [01:36:11] | devinheitmueller: | I believe you can use both inputs or just one. It's software configurable. |
| [01:36:21] | devinheitmueller: | (although I don't know if Steven implemented it that way in the driver) |
| [01:36:40] | devinheitmueller: | I believe by default you only connect one feed and it's shared by both tuners. |
| [01:36:43] | Beirdo: | ah. K. |
| [01:36:55] | Beirdo: | I know (as of yet) no FM or IR support |
| [01:36:59] | Beirdo: | I'm good with that |
| [01:37:06] | Beirdo: | I don't want to use IR anyways :) |
| [01:37:18] | Beirdo: | FM would be cool later, but I can live without it |
| [01:37:39] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, for most people who want IR, just hooking up a USB MCE remote is way easier (IMHO) |
| [01:37:46] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [01:38:13] | Beirdo: | for channel-changing, I'm switching to all USB/serial to my directv boxes |
| [01:38:31] | Beirdo: | once proper null modems show up (tomorrow), I should be all good to go |
| [01:38:58] | Beirdo: | but yeah, if I connect an antenna drop, I can test ATSC->svideo->ATSC transitions |
| [01:39:14] | awalls: | Why are the blasters DTEs? |
| [01:39:19] | Beirdo: | and if/when it works, I could leave it there and use the DVB site too |
| [01:39:34] | Beirdo: | side... jeez. fingers suck today |
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| [01:41:07] | awalls: | Oops nevermind, no ir involved. |
| [01:41:12] | [R]: | WTF |
| [01:41:19] | [R]: | whats the deal with all the poepl taht wan to record EVERYTHNING with myth |
| [01:41:42] | Beirdo: | why wouldn't we? |
| [01:41:48] | Beirdo: | duh |
| [01:42:07] | Beirdo: | gonna need a lot of capture devices :) |
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| [01:42:13] | awalls: | Recording more than 24 hrs of tv a day.. |
| [01:42:22] | devinheitmueller: | Uh, goodbye Zainsield. |
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| [01:42:31] | awalls: | Seems like it'll be hard to cathc up |
| [01:42:45] | Beirdo: | awalls: now you are just talking nonsense :) |
| [01:42:46] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [01:43:01] | awalls: | Suddenlink! |
| [01:43:02] | wagnerrp: | Zainsield: was writing up a reply, but ill just say it here |
| [01:43:36] | wagnerrp: | the idea is that any linux tuner setup information would remain on the linuxtv wiki |
| [01:43:37] | biffhero: | [6:42] <awalls> Recording more than 24 hrs of tv a day.. <<< I would like to do that, run a cable TV network for neighbors / friends, with distributed backends / frontends. |
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| [01:43:52] | wagnerrp: | and any mythtv setup should be handled by the generic ATSC and MPEG instruction pages |
| [01:43:53] | awalls: | Hehe |
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| [01:44:13] | wagnerrp: | the only reason for a specific page for any card would be things like the HDHomeRun, which mythtv supports directly |
| [01:44:26] | wagnerrp: | or things like the HVR-1800, which is supported in linux, but has issues with mythtv |
| [01:44:35] | Beirdo: | !trout biffhero pirate |
| [01:44:35] | ** MythLogBot slaps biffhero with a pirate trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
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| [01:45:06] | awalls: | Need a !parrot directive.. |
| [01:45:10] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:45:16] | Beirdo: | that can be arranged |
| [01:45:27] | [R]: | wagnerrp: so the guys at my work convinced me on the harmony |
| [01:45:30] | Beirdo: | !salmon awalls |
| [01:45:30] | ** MythLogBot plants a salmon upside the head of awalls on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [01:45:32] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:45:43] | Beirdo: | easy enough to add a parrot, although it's not a fish |
| [01:45:44] | ** biffhero loves his harmony. ** | |
| [01:45:46] | awalls: | Hmm salmon... |
| [01:46:10] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [01:46:32] | Beirdo: | my MiniPCIe SATA card is just leaving Spokane... I should be getting it tomorrow too |
| [01:46:46] | wagnerrp: | Zainsield: even any LIRC specific stuff is almost always shared among a family of cards |
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| [01:47:09] | wagnerrp: | weve probably got a dozen nearly identical Hauppauge lircrc files scattered around the wiki |
| [01:47:51] | Beirdo: | OK, time to go home and play with the hvr2250 more :) |
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| [01:48:52] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: ttyl |
| [01:49:05] | Beirdo: | once I have the nullmodems in my possession, it will be a lot more useful as then I don't have to effectively disable it as channel changing won't work :) |
| [01:49:10] | Beirdo: | TTYL |
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| [01:49:29] | biffhero: | [R]: I had to go with USB dongle on my acer revo |
| [01:49:29] | Beirdo: | /bin/false makes a good channel change script when you want failure, BTW |
| [01:49:39] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: that's what I use. |
| [01:49:46] | [R]: | biffhero: ? |
| [01:50:15] | Beirdo: | /bin/true if you want myth to think the change was a success. /bin/false if you want myth to see a failure. |
| [01:50:16] | wagnerrp: | biffhero: mythtv has never accepted any for-profit work for any reason |
| [01:50:22] | wagnerrp: | several companies have contributed code |
| [01:50:24] | Beirdo: | which I do (temporarily) |
| [01:50:32] | Beirdo: | anyways, home time :) |
| [01:50:33] | wagnerrp: | but there has never been any compensation to the project |
| [01:50:39] | wagnerrp: | and we intend to keep it that way |
| [01:51:07] | wagnerrp: | if we were to set up some sort of anonymous usage data, it would be freely available for any to use |
| [01:51:41] | Zainsield: | i see what you are saying but how are people suppose to know that you have to go to where you want them to go |
| [01:51:57] | Zainsield: | setup ur way, i would have never gotten my card to work |
| [01:52:28] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Digital_Tuner_Cards |
| [01:52:45] | wagnerrp: | filled with all sorts of links to the linuxtv page |
| [01:52:46] | devinheitmueller: | Zainsield: people should be going to LinuxTV for *all* tuner hardware related issues. |
| [01:52:57] | Zainsield: | but how are new user to know that |
| [01:53:05] | devinheitmueller: | MythTV uses the V4L-DVB API. It is not responsible for individual cards. |
| [01:53:14] | Zainsield: | u need more details point people there |
| [01:53:33] | biffhero: | [6:49] <[R]> biffhero: ? <<< my acer revo doesn't have a serial port. so I used a USB IR receiver. |
| [01:53:51] | wagnerrp: | Zainsield: that thinking is the entire reason for deleting all these pages |
| [01:53:58] | [R]: | biffhero: huh? |
| [01:54:06] | Zainsield: | alright then, for example |
| [01:54:13] | wagnerrp: | people using mythtv see all those pages there, so they think the only things we support is that listed on our wiki |
| [01:54:26] | Zainsield: | where would you point me then, if i needed to configure the dual tuners for my card in mythtv |
| [01:54:30] | wagnerrp: | far too many people have no idea the linuxtv wiki and project even exists |
| [01:54:34] | Zainsield: | the 1600 |
| [01:54:43] | Zainsield: | Hauppauge HVR-1600 |
| [01:55:01] | biffhero: | [R]: you mentioned using a harmony remote. So I have a harmony remote, but didn't have a way to get IR into the box, since I didn't have serial. So I used a USB – IR converter. |
| [01:55:05] | wagnerrp: | that card shows up as two separate cards in linux |
| [01:55:12] | Zainsield: | but how do i know that |
| [01:55:21] | Zainsield: | how do i know what to do so that mythtv sees it |
| [01:55:22] | wagnerrp: | and as such, it should be set up as two separate cards in mythtv, or any other application which accesses tuner cards |
| [01:55:30] | wagnerrp: | that is not mythtv-specific information |
| [01:55:43] | [R]: | biffhero: um... ok |
| [01:55:45] | Zainsield: | but where is that info besides on the page you delted |
| [01:55:51] | Zainsield: | *deleted |
| [01:56:20] | Zainsield: | this is my point you are making it harder for those of us that dont completely understand the workings of this stuff |
| [01:56:26] | wagnerrp: | it /should/ be on the linuxtv wiki, however the hauppage pages on their wiki are fairly sparse |
| [01:56:41] | Zainsield: | exactly....it should be, but its not |
| [01:56:57] | wagnerrp: | which is why the pages were merely blanked, and never fully deleted |
| [01:57:06] | Zainsield: | you just deleted alot of good info with out making sure that the wiki u want to be used had it |
| [01:57:16] | wagnerrp: | information is never fully deleted |
| [01:57:20] | Zainsield: | i feel if you are going to start something please do it completely |
| [01:57:25] | wagnerrp: | even when you delete the page, you can still access it |
| [01:57:31] | Zainsield: | i see ur point in what you are doing |
| [01:57:44] | Zainsield: | but people should have to jump thru hoops |
| [01:57:50] | wagnerrp: | weve been discussing it in here |
| [01:57:52] | Zainsield: | *shouldnt |
| [01:58:04] | wagnerrp: | and one option would be to lock all those pages, archived as they currently are |
| [01:58:18] | wagnerrp: | with a large banner at the top explaining the lock and the proper source of information |
| [01:58:37] | devinheitmueller: | Zainsield: you should feel free to improve the LinuxTV wiki page as you feel needed. |
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| [01:59:03] | Zainsield: | i like that alot better, then at a better convince the still relevent info can be moved to the better choice in wiki |
| [01:59:21] | wagnerrp: | however there were a /ton/ of pages with no content besides a brief listing of the chips, or some lspci info |
| [01:59:22] | devinheitmueller: | Generally speaking, per-tuner pages focus on the things that are actually unique about that card. 99% of the stuff about the HVR-1600 is the same as all other tuners. |
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| [01:59:55] | devinheitmueller: | There is a severe dearth of contributors. If documentation is important to you, *please* feel free to improve it. |
| [01:59:58] | Zainsield: | now that i know it exists, it is a great site, and a great idea in what is being done |
| [02:00:48] | Zainsield: | I just feel it needs to be easy and clear to those that might not be as intuitive in finding that info, where to go for it |
| [02:01:17] | devinheitmueller: | The problem with having per-tuner pages on the MythTV is that it leads people to think that those are the *only* tuners supported. |
| [02:01:42] | biffhero: | dev: that should be an easy macro to implement. |
| [02:01:44] | devinheitmueller: | The issue is that there are *hundreds* of cards supported. You simply cannot duplicate the information over and over again. |
| [02:02:48] | Zainsield: | I totally see that, and i dont think its a bad idea what is being done, but for new people you need to keep this info easy to figure out |
| [02:04:04] | devinheitmueller: | Hey, I'm not saying doing it right is easy. The opposite end of the spectrum has tuners with long deprecated information, which actually is worse. |
| [02:04:27] | devinheitmueller: | People throwing up information about how to make their tuner work with Ubuntu 7.10, which hasn't been relevant in a very long time. |
| [02:04:57] | wagnerrp: | or worse, saying drivers are broken merely because they dont work out-of-the-box with ubuntu 10.04 |
| [02:05:31] | biffhero: | to many people, "apt-get update && apt-get install mythtv" has to work, or it is broken. |
| [02:05:35] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: or even worse, saying they don't work out of the box with Ubuntu 10.04 because they did something wrong. |
| [02:06:00] | biffhero: | now, it might be ubuntu-broken, and it might be ivtv-broken, and it might be myth-broken. But it is still *-broken to that person. |
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| [02:06:54] | stoth: | hmm... How many devs get into Linux because they like dealing with end user issues. How many end users would suddenly get major air-time and respect from the devs if they bothered to start fixing things like wiki's, howtos and helping non-technical users out... freeing up the devs to work on detailed stuff. |
| [02:07:27] | biffhero: | many. start paying them like devs, and I bet they do it. |
| [02:07:51] | devinheitmueller: | biffhero: first try paying devs like devs. |
| [02:08:05] | devinheitmueller: | The vast majority of developers working on this stuff are doing it for zero dollars. |
| [02:08:35] | devinheitmueller: | So you could argue all those other guys in fact *are* being paid like devs. |
| [02:08:42] | stoth: | that's one aspect. Mainly devs do it because they have an itch to stratch. They have no obligation to anyone. You either like what I do (and I do it for free) or you don't. People don't get to dictate unless they're paying the bills. |
| [02:08:44] | biffhero: | oops. I mis-spoke. I meant "start giving non-dev contributors the same publicity as dev contributors" |
| [02:09:48] | devinheitmueller: | In fairness, most developers get very little publicity. They quietly do their work in the background, and as long as nothing is broken nobody notices. Ask yourself: when was the last time you looked up who did the SATA chipset driver in your PC? |
| [02:10:05] | biffhero: | KLOT (kilo-lines-of-twiki) |
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| [02:11:28] | devinheitmueller: | biffhero: that was the basic premise behind Ohloh. |
| [02:11:31] | biffhero: | can I pick the SCSI driver? :-) Leonard Zubkoff of Dandelion Digital. |
| [02:11:59] | devinheitmueller: | biffhero: the point I'm trying to make is that most people just take this stuff for granted. They only seek out a developer if something doesn't work. |
| [02:12:42] | biffhero: | yep. I am trying to figure out a way to hand out itching powder to non-developer contributors, to insulate developers |
| [02:13:05] | devinheitmueller: | kernel oops. brb. |
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| [02:13:25] | stoth: | good people don't moan, they just go ahead and do stuff. The devs notice without them asking. |
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| [02:13:31] | Zainsield: | After thinking about what you are saying, i feel something should be put in mythtv wiki to make it obvious for those that go there looking for this info that they can go to the linuxtv.org wiki for that info ... cuz if you google an issue, for me at least, you end up at mythtv wiki and if i didnt know that the info i needed was there from the past i would have been lost on where to go. |
| [02:15:44] | clever: | i think there should be a single page listing most supported cards, and links to notes about each group of cards, like common stuff for all digital cards |
| [02:15:56] | wagnerrp: | there is |
| [02:16:02] | stoth: | We toyed with ideas like that at kernellabs.com |
| [02:16:12] | stoth: | a place where someone is payed to maintain high quality docs. |
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| [02:16:30] | stoth: | automated regression testing, walkthrough for myth etc. |
| [02:16:37] | stoth: | recommendations for cards etc. |
| [02:16:52] | stoth: | too expensive to do well with very little people willing to support it. |
| [02:17:18] | stoth: | so you end up back at your own 'scratching your own itch' hole. |
| [02:17:18] | Zainsield: | with things that are common to all digital cards, you might want to put links to that info on the pages for the cards so people can find it... cuz i have no clue when an issue is common to the cards or something special |
| [02:19:51] | devinheitmueller: | Well, the goal was to have general topics everybody would ready, and then the per-card pages would only have information that is special for that particular card. |
| [02:20:12] | devinheitmueller: | That said, documentation tends to be something that could definitely use some TLC. |
| [02:21:12] | Zainsield: | now that is a great goal but i think that you may have jumped the gun on removing the info at the mythtv wiki |
| [02:22:51] | iamlindoro: | Zainsield, We're going in circles-- the reality is that nothing gets done until you force people's hands-- this incident is a perfect example. If it's troublesome enough to you, then move the content to the linuxtv wiki, and it will have served its purpose and everyone will be happy |
| [02:23:04] | iamlindoro: | But to be very direct, we're not changing the approach |
| [02:23:04] | Zainsield: | i agree |
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| [02:23:20] | devinheitmueller: | We're doing our best, and we welcome new contributors. |
| [02:23:37] | devinheitmueller: | I'll even pay you double what I'm getting paid to contribute! |
| [02:23:47] | awalls: | Guilt keeps me going. |
| [02:23:57] | devinheitmueller: | awalls: Yeah, I've been there too. |
| [02:23:59] | Zainsield: | well, not to night, but your efforts, i think, have conviced me to at least do a little bit to help the cause |
| [02:24:05] | awalls: | Access to datasheets is hard to get |
| [02:24:32] | awalls: | Me bailing means that access is gone (for ann intefval) |
| [02:24:33] | devinheitmueller: | awalls: yeah, datasheet access definitely raises the bar. |
| [02:24:46] | devinheitmueller: | It just means you have to be *really* committed and reverse engineer it. |
| [02:25:11] | awalls: | Meh re is a timesuck. |
| [02:26:35] | devinheitmueller: | Even with the datasheets though, you have to be really dedicated to spend the time to grind this stuff out. |
| [02:26:43] | Zainsield: | well, thanks for getting me to understand what you are doing, but please in the future when removing info, think about those of us that are still getting this stuff figure out. |
| [02:27:04] | devinheitmueller: | It stops being fun after you've spent a week or two trying to nail down some obscure race conditon. |
| [02:27:20] | devinheitmueller: | Zainsield: Well, good luck. We look forward to your future contributions! |
| [02:28:00] | awalls: | The hard part isn't the code or devices, its the people when getting a patch submitted |
| [02:28:16] | Zainsield: | Oh I am sure you will be seeing my contributions soon. |
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| [02:28:24] | ** awalls does not have 733t people skilz ** | |
| [02:28:37] | devinheitmueller: | awalls: did you see Linus's email to Mauro tonight? |
| [02:28:54] | awalls: | It wasx brutal |
| [02:28:59] | devinheitmueller: | indeed. |
| [02:29:09] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller, is this on linux-media? |
| [02:29:12] | devinheitmueller: | yeah. |
| [02:29:14] | stoth: | what was the thrust? |
| [02:29:24] | awalls: | My point about people. |
| [02:29:26] | devinheitmueller: | stoth: Mauro submitted broken changes to a Kconfig. |
| [02:29:32] | stoth: | ooh |
| [02:29:32] | devinheitmueller: | (totally untested) |
| [02:29:53] | devinheitmueller: | Subject: "[GIT PULL for 2.6.36] V4L/DVB fixes" |
| [02:29:56] | awalls: | Mchehab responded with an explanation |
| [02:30:06] | devinheitmueller: | awalls: yes, he did. |
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| [02:31:45] | awalls: | I have some musings on the stable state of a meritocracy when turnover is essentially completely voluntary |
| [02:31:51] | ** iamlindoro can't find it in the archives, bah ** | |
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| [02:32:09] | iamlindoro: | ah, now I did-- linux-kernel |
| [02:32:28] | awalls: | And then I see the ksummit2010 ml talking about newcomers and recruiting. |
| [02:32:45] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: it was on both. Perhaps the linux-media archive is a little behind. |
| [02:32:57] | devinheitmueller: | awalls: it is definitely a challenge. |
| [02:33:36] | awalls: | I don't think they see the big picture, its an HR problem. |
| [02:34:13] | devinheitmueller: | awalls: incentive is a challenge when no money is involved (in most cases). |
| [02:34:16] | Beirdo: | YAY. HVR-2250 analog is definitely working fine for me with my mods |
| [02:34:24] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: great. Ship it! |
| [02:34:31] | awalls: | But I don't think the proper skill set is being applied to solve (or even quantify the problem) |
| [02:34:34] | devinheitmueller: | (stoth will be pleased to hear, I'm sure) |
| [02:34:37] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:34:56] | Beirdo: | yeah, I will double-check my mythtv tweaks |
| [02:35:21] | devinheitmueller: | awalls: I don't doubt you're right. I don't think I would want a software engineer examining my CT scan either. |
| [02:35:24] | Beirdo: | not sure if we can get it in for 0.24 or not (we ARE in feature freeze after all) |
| [02:35:35] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: this isn't a feature. These are bug fixes. |
| [02:35:35] | awalls: | Devinheitmueller: and no opportunities for advancement, etc. |
| [02:35:59] | Beirdo: | I would tend to agree, but I'd like others to go over the patch before I commit it |
| [02:36:23] | stoth: | Beirdo: Good to hear, show me a patch. |
| [02:36:42] | stoth: | Beirdo: assuming you mean a driver patch |
| [02:36:45] | Beirdo: | I can show you the tiny one I made to the drivers in a moment :) |
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| [02:37:38] | ** awalls muses about MythCTScan plugin ** | |
| [02:37:46] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: did you actually end up with a driver fix? |
| [02:37:51] | ** stoth fiddles with the ceton cablecard driver ** | |
| [02:37:54] | devinheitmueller: | I thought everything was in userland. |
| [02:37:55] | Beirdo: | A very tiny one |
| [02:38:31] | Beirdo: | http://www.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/test/saa7164.patch |
| [02:38:33] | Beirdo: | there |
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| [02:39:03] | devinheitmueller: | Ah. |
| [02:39:18] | Beirdo: | just makes it easier for the label->input # mapping to work. |
| [02:39:41] | devinheitmueller: | stoth: Beirdo's patch was because MythTV identifies inputs by name rather than number, so two "s-video" entries was preventing the second input from being selectable. |
| [02:39:43] | val-l: | woot, got my ltsp diskless workstation working with mythfrontend, playing video from my media pc — then fiddled with my DTV receiver, and it sees mythbackend also |
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| [02:40:46] | ** stoth nods. Braind dead app I guess ;) ** | |
| [02:40:49] | wagnerrp: | val-l: technically LTSP will not work with mythfrontend |
| [02:41:00] | wagnerrp: | not for video playback anyway |
| [02:41:13] | Beirdo: | stoth: heh, yeah, that could well be argued sometimes :) |
| [02:41:15] | val-l: | wagnerrp: it does :) |
| [02:41:29] | val-l: | wagnerrp: ltsp-localapps xterm |
| [02:41:31] | stoth: | Beirdo: why didn't you rename composite also? |
| [02:41:36] | val-l: | is the command to get an xterm on the thin client |
| [02:41:40] | Beirdo: | umm, I didn't notice it? :) |
| [02:41:42] | Beirdo: | sorry |
| [02:41:43] | val-l: | then I ran mythfrontend there :) |
| [02:41:57] | wagnerrp: | being a TS (terminal server) means that mythfrontend runs on a remote server, and forwarded to the local X server |
| [02:41:59] | Beirdo: | oops :) |
| [02:42:07] | stoth: | fix it and send me the patch, I'll merge asap ... I'll also need your sign-off. |
| [02:42:23] | wagnerrp: | once you start running things on the local system, it stops being a terminal server or thin client |
| [02:42:31] | Beirdo: | OK, one moment |
| [02:42:38] | wagnerrp: | and becomes simply a managed way to set up a diskless syetem |
| [02:42:45] | val-l: | wagnerrp: ltsp-localapps must make it something else then |
| [02:42:46] | awalls: | Stoth: can a space be in those names? |
| [02:42:50] | val-l: | still a diskless workstation :) |
| [02:42:57] | awalls: | Other drivers do that. |
| [02:43:06] | stoth: | awalls: Hmm, I assume so. v4l2-ctl won't object? |
| [02:43:20] | wagnerrp: | distless workstation, yes... terminal/thin client, no |
| [02:43:23] | stoth: | Beirdo: make sure you include a space |
| [02:43:33] | awalls: | Nope. Ivtv and cxq8 work |
| [02:43:39] | val-l: | fine then, it's a diskless workstation |
| [02:43:42] | Beirdo: | oh, like "svideo 2"? |
| [02:43:45] | stoth: | awalls: good to know. thx. |
| [02:43:49] | awalls: | Yes. |
| [02:43:56] | val-l: | wagnerrp: which is, btw, what I said in the first place :P |
| [02:44:41] | wagnerrp: | you called it LTSP |
| [02:44:41] | awalls: | Beirdo: check what your 150s or 500s show for input names |
| [02:44:47] | val-l: | wagnerrp: that is correct |
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| [02:45:09] | val-l: | wagnerrp: and ltsp includes the "ltsp-localapps" command, which will run applications locally on the ltsp workstation |
| [02:45:20] | Beirdo: | awalls: ahhh. |
| [02:45:25] | val-l: | wagnerrp: so I guess ltsp is misnamed, and should be called ltdw |
| [02:45:38] | val-l: | or ldw maybe :) |
| [02:45:52] | mishehu: | Beirdo the weirdo |
| [02:46:19] | mishehu: | you still hiding out on that island territory? |
| [02:46:28] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [02:46:34] | Beirdo: | I'm in Seattle now |
| [02:46:35] | wagnerrp: | just frustrated with a (very long) mailing list thread about running mythtv on 'thin clients', named so merely because they had no hard drive |
| [02:47:18] | val-l: | I'll make sure not to say "think client" then |
| [02:47:32] | ** stoth grins at email "Don't do this. You are now officially on my shit-list for sending me ** | |
| [02:47:32] | stoth: | total crap." |
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| [02:48:31] | awalls: | I found that 2007 someone was on the s-list for the e1000 driver |
| [02:48:44] | mishehu: | Beirdo: jeez man make up your mind where you want to live |
| [02:48:51] | awalls: | But apparebtly very few make the list |
| [02:48:52] | mishehu: | Beirdo: you go from sunny and hot to damp and cloudy |
| [02:49:09] | wagnerrp: | mishehu: that would be as far from PR, and certain things remaining there, as possible |
| [02:49:41] | awalls: | Mauro joins an elite few. |
| [02:49:49] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:49:53] | mishehu: | certain things remaining in puerto rico? interesting, do tell? dead lovers? |
| [02:49:53] | devinheitmueller: | awalls: it will blow over. |
| [02:50:01] | wagnerrp: | thats it, no source for you |
| [02:50:04] | Beirdo: | ex-wife. |
| [02:50:05] | wagnerrp: | you come back, one year! |
| [02:50:22] | mishehu: | Beirdo: oh man, sorry to hear. I'm in that boat right now, only with a kid involved in the mix. :-/ |
| [02:50:31] | awalls: | Devinheitmueller: sure |
| [02:50:47] | awalls: | No doubt. |
| [02:50:51] | biffhero: | Here's a question. I started the Monday Night Football game 18 minutes after the start of the game. 18 minutes into the recording, myth stops playback, and exits me out to the recordings menu. So I start up the watching again, and at 36 or so, it exits again. |
| [02:50:52] | mishehu: | of course, if I was just a big ol' jerk it would be as easy as "ok you take the kid, buhbye" |
| [02:50:53] | Beirdo: | oooh. No kids for me |
| [02:51:04] | mishehu: | Beirdo: she stole my sperm!!! |
| [02:51:22] | devinheitmueller: | awalls: btw, I am not ignoring your emails wrt the Zilog. I've just been busy getting settled in. |
| [02:51:22] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:51:45] | Beirdo: | stoth: how do I do this with a sign-off? I'm more accustomed to git than hg :) |
| [02:51:50] | ** iamlindoro hopes the zilog e-mails are about how we can prevent any tuner manufacturer from ever using one, ever again ** | |
| [02:51:56] | mishehu: | Beirdo: womens got this contraption that beats your manhood into submission, then milks it like a holstein in wisconsin |
| [02:52:09] | mishehu: | muuuuuuu |
| [02:52:14] | biffhero: | mishehu: And then makes you pay forever. |
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| [02:52:21] | iamlindoro: | So many new tuners that have the potential to be a totally plug and play install if it weren't for that fricking zilog |
| [02:52:25] | mishehu: | biffhero: that's the slow painful death that follows. |
| [02:52:33] | Beirdo: | heh. I'm actually fairly over things now. But it's not fun. |
| [02:52:35] | stoth: | Beirdo: pm |
| [02:52:39] | Beirdo: | K |
| [02:52:42] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: Yes, I am well aware of the situation. |
| [02:52:49] | mishehu: | biffhero: it's akin to a spider getting stung by a spider then having to have the little waspies eat you from the inside out |
| [02:52:54] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller, I know, mostly fuming to myself :) |
| [02:53:18] | biffhero: | mishehu: sounds rather cannibalistic |
| [02:53:24] | ** mishehu shrugs ** | |
| [02:53:35] | val-l: | speaking of funky fun — any way to get HD video out of a DTV HD DVR, like I used to be able to do with the comcast HD box via firewire? |
| [02:53:36] | mishehu: | biffhero: never said I understood them! |
| [02:53:49] | mishehu: | Beirdo: so what are you working in nowadays? |
| [02:53:55] | awalls: | Iamlindoro: just write some custom code for the z8. |
| [02:54:20] | awalls: | Easy to say. :p |
| [02:54:21] | ** mishehu sighs. it's like half of everybody he knows is iether getting married or divorced. ** | |
| [02:54:35] | iamlindoro: | awalls, heh, I figure if such a thing were easy then one of you would have done it by now, I'm happy sticking to the myth code ;) |
| [02:54:40] | biffhero: | mishehu: I am with you there. got one wife, and two kids. |
| [02:54:48] | iamlindoro: | awalls, Besides, if I want IR I buy an mceusb like a sane person ;) |
| [02:54:58] | Beirdo: | mishehu: sysadmin stuff. I like the Pacific NW, BTW |
| [02:55:04] | awalls: | Its not hard just time... |
| [02:55:23] | mishehu: | Beirdo: hey to each his own, I like to see the sun sometimes. s/sometimes/often |
| [02:55:25] | awalls: | Which is way more expensive tghan a mceusb |
| [02:55:44] | mishehu: | Beirdo: I have to start searching for a 9-to-5'er it seems, as I don't have enough clients here in austin yet |
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| [02:56:13] | Beirdo: | heh, it's been pretty nice so far, really. Yeah, grey a lot, but to be honest, PR was too. It rained nearly daily there |
| [02:56:52] | mishehu: | Beirdo: I was only there for a few hours on two days when I went on a cruise several years ago... |
| [02:56:56] | biffhero: | I thought PR was an ocean paradise |
| [02:57:11] | mishehu: | Beirdo: so I'm not an expert of pr other than to know that htey drive rather... crazy over there |
| [02:58:43] | Beirdo: | hehe, so true |
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| [02:59:02] | biffhero: | So now we are catching up to the game every 10 minutes or so, and have to FF through what we have already seen. woot! |
| [03:00:06] | mishehu: | Beirdo: so I wanted to do some dev work, but it really looks like I'm going to be stuck sysadminning as I don't have a lot of time to be picky about jobs... |
| [03:00:31] | mishehu: | as I've got a rather hungry 3-yr old mouth to feed... (more food that goes in, the less noise that comes out of it) |
| [03:00:43] | Beirdo: | I'd love to do embedded systems stuff again, but I do like what I'm doing |
| [03:00:51] | biffhero: | 3, what an awesome age. |
| [03:01:09] | mishehu: | biffhero: and he speaks 3 languages too |
| [03:01:15] | mishehu: | and no, one of them is NOT C |
| [03:01:20] | biffhero: | amazing. do you speak them all? |
| [03:01:25] | mishehu: | biffhero: I speak 2. |
| [03:01:36] | mishehu: | know some words in the third |
| [03:01:39] | mishehu: | but not enough. |
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| [03:02:15] | biffhero: | does he speak about you behind your back? |
| [03:02:28] | val-l: | http://ponzo.net/newshawk/IMG_0514-sm.JPG <--- when I proposed to my fiance back in June — talk me out of it! :P |
| [03:03:29] | mishehu: | biffhero: he's not that conversational yet heh |
| [03:03:43] | mishehu: | biffhero: and I know enough of the other language to know when I'm being talked about |
| [03:04:03] | Beirdo: | val-l: I hope it works better for you than for me. |
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| [03:04:25] | biffhero: | val-l: I hope it works better for you than for all of mankind. heh. |
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| [03:06:10] | biffhero: | restarting the game again. |
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| [03:33:16] | biffhero: | My wife suggested, "if you put a bookmark there, will it be faster after a restart?" So I did, and now it isn't restarting. |
| [03:35:24] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: thanks for dumping #9001. :) I woulda dumped it later anyways |
| [03:35:48] | Beirdo: | we can consider adding name resolution... some other decade |
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| [03:41:31] | Beirdo: | now I guess all that's left for my HVR-2250... analog/digital switching and VBI support in MythTV |
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| [03:50:42] | Beirdo: | OK, I guess I'll go hook up a spare drop to the HVR-2250 |
| [03:50:48] | wagnerrp: | we dont seem to have any documentation on input groups on the wiki |
| [03:55:53] | Beirdo: | heh, that might be a good thing to add |
| [03:59:10] | Beirdo: | now THAT was wonderful |
| [03:59:30] | Beirdo: | I moved the machine and managed to unplug it in the process |
| [03:59:32] | Beirdo: | go me |
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| [04:10:45] | Beirdo: | woohoo. scanning is behaving (AFAICT) on the HVR-2250 on ATSC |
| [04:10:46] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:11:20] | Beirdo: | no signal strength/SNR stats |
| [04:11:29] | Beirdo: | but it seems to be finding channels |
| [04:12:06] | val-l: | say, any HD HDMI capture cards on the market? |
| [04:12:13] | stoth: | snr is in db * 10 |
| [04:12:40] | wagnerrp: | val-l: yes |
| [04:12:47] | wagnerrp: | blackmagic and avermedia both make one |
| [04:13:04] | val-l: | wagnerrp: :) thanks |
| [04:13:36] | wagnerrp: | val-l: do note that they are entirely worthless for the use you want them for |
| [04:13:47] | stoth: | the aver is useful. |
| [04:14:05] | wagnerrp: | no, the one that does HDMI is a framegrabber |
| [04:14:12] | wagnerrp: | and on top, it wont record HDCP content anyway |
| [04:14:19] | stoth: | the HD DVR has surprising qualities |
| [04:14:49] | wagnerrp: | their HDDVR will have similar use to the HDPVR once someone writes drivers for it, but it doesnt do HDMI |
| [04:14:54] | stoth: | no linux driver but the hardware is very interesting.... very interesting. |
| [04:16:54] | Beirdo: | this should be fun |
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| [04:17:27] | Beirdo: | created a new input group for each channel of the HVR-2250, hooked up an antenna drop |
| [04:17:41] | Beirdo: | stoth: for ATSC, I only need one connection? |
| [04:17:54] | stoth: | you only have one connection |
| [04:18:03] | Beirdo: | OK, that's what I thought |
| [04:18:08] | Beirdo: | the other's for FM? |
| [04:18:16] | stoth: | y |
| [04:18:20] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [04:18:22] | val-l: | wagnerrp: actually, some have component input nowadays — hmm! |
| [04:18:59] | ** Beirdo has 11 encoders now. ** | |
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| [04:20:23] | val-l: | I'm looking at the aver usb unit, does component capture (it claims) |
| [04:20:24] | wagnerrp: | stoth: the USB one would be interesting for use with MythTV, the PCIe one... not so much |
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| [04:20:39] | val-l: | which wouldn't run into the c5 issue, I don't think |
| [04:20:48] | wagnerrp: | c5? |
| [04:20:48] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: why not? PCIe is useful too :) |
| [04:20:50] | stoth: | have you actually used the PCIe one? |
| [04:21:02] | wagnerrp: | stoth: the PCIe one is a framegrabber, no hardware encoding |
| [04:21:05] | stoth: | wagnerrp: I mean in detail? |
| [04:21:09] | Beirdo: | ohh |
| [04:21:36] | wagnerrp: | that means youve got 750mbps of video data you have to deal with on-the-fly |
| [04:21:52] | Beirdo: | woohoo |
| [04:21:53] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [04:22:02] | wagnerrp: | the best you could hope for is dumping it to huffman, or /maybe/ rtjpeg, and deal with it later |
| [04:22:08] | Beirdo: | stream it out a gige |
| [04:22:19] | stoth: | their windows app does mpeg2 on the fly in realtime |
| [04:22:37] | wagnerrp: | i find that very hard to believe |
| [04:22:54] | stoth: | I have one. |
| [04:23:09] | wagnerrp: | for 1080i60 content? |
| [04:23:14] | stoth: | that's why I keep saying the h/w is very interesting. |
| [04:23:19] | wagnerrp: | what kind of beastly system do you have? |
| [04:23:26] | stoth: | quad |
| [04:24:17] | ** Beirdo waits for mfd to finish ** | |
| [04:25:06] | wagnerrp: | if they can manage that, thats quite an impressive feat |
| [04:25:37] | stoth: | The hardware does HDCP. |
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| [04:26:08] | wagnerrp: | its says in their datasheet it will not record from HDCP protected streams |
| [04:26:22] | stoth: | That's correct, their s/w won.t |
| [04:26:41] | wagnerrp: | ah, so youre talking about recording a stream dump, and decoding it in software |
| [04:27:00] | stoth: | no. With other softwre you can do whatever you like. |
| [04:27:15] | stoth: | their h/w is interesting, their s/w is janky. |
| [04:28:11] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:28:31] | val-l: | "Half measures availed us nothing..." I just bought the USB and the PCIe versions |
| [04:28:56] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but apparently their s/w is optimized enough to do realtime HD mpeg2 encoding |
| [04:28:57] | val-l: | the USB device even has an HDMI output for a monitor |
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| [04:29:02] | Beirdo: | enjoy being single. |
| [04:29:04] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, the only job you have to enable in the recording profile is transcoding and that's for the SD vs HD issue. all other jobs are just on the scheduled recording and the backend's mythtv-setup. |
| [04:29:09] | val-l: | one wonders if that is a two-way connection :/ |
| [04:29:17] | stoth: | no linux drivers for either btw, just so we're clear. |
| [04:29:20] | wagnerrp: | val-l: yeah, not sure how thats supposed to work |
| [04:29:30] | wagnerrp: | youre not going to be sending HD video over a USB connection |
| [04:29:35] | wagnerrp: | not nearly enough bandwidth |
| [04:29:38] | val-l: | *sigh* |
| [04:29:42] | ** stoth nods ** | |
| [04:29:46] | stoth: | compressed yes. |
| [04:29:51] | high-rez: | Beirdo: eh? |
| [04:29:51] | val-l: | indeed |
| [04:29:51] | wagnerrp: | so there has got to be a hardware decoder in there |
| [04:29:54] | stoth: | it looks pretty good a 20mbps though |
| [04:29:58] | val-l: | why would it be any other way? hehe |
| [04:30:16] | wagnerrp: | stoth: what kind of limitations does that put on the UI? |
| [04:30:23] | Beirdo: | high-rez: huh? |
| [04:30:54] | wagnerrp: | does it support good compositing (like VDPAU or VAAPI), or is it heavily limited (like XvMC or the PVR-350 stuff) |
| [04:31:01] | high-rez: | Beirdo: Wasn't sure what you meant with your earlier statement. :) |
| [04:31:01] | stoth: | wagnerrp: the pcie card (or actually s/w) wants an hdcp monitor and MS drm cert. That can be avoided. |
| [04:31:21] | Beirdo: | which one? |
| [04:31:51] | high-rez: | Enjoy being single? |
| [04:32:06] | Beirdo: | oh, just val-l blowing his hard-earned money :) |
| [04:32:13] | high-rez: | Oh |
| [04:32:14] | high-rez: | Hah |
| [04:32:15] | high-rez: | :) |
| [04:32:29] | high-rez: | Yeah i miss those days |
| [04:32:45] | Beirdo: | hhe |
| [04:33:03] | high-rez: | Stalin controls everything now. |
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| [04:33:31] | val-l: | it's known as "balance", Beirdo :P |
| [04:34:06] | high-rez: | What toy did you get ? |
| [04:34:08] | Beirdo: | as I said... enjoy being single :) |
| [04:34:23] | high-rez: | I'd like to look at the URL, just to remember teh days in which I could buy stuff that my wife wouldn't care fo |
| [04:34:24] | high-rez: | for |
| [04:34:59] | wagnerrp: | http://www.avermedia-usa.com//AVerTV/Product/ . . . .aspx?Id=488 |
| [04:35:04] | wagnerrp: | http://www.avermedia-usa.com//AVerTV/Product/ . . . .aspx?Id=482 |
| [04:35:18] | val-l: | Beirdo: http://ponzo.net/newshawk/IMG_0514-sm.JPG <--- June's proposal to fiance :) |
| [04:36:02] | high-rez: | This think a competitor to the HDPVR ? |
| [04:36:07] | high-rez: | thing, crapola |
| [04:36:45] | high-rez: | val-l: It'll all change once you sign the paper work. |
| [04:36:54] | high-rez: | Buy all yer toys now. |
| [04:37:00] | val-l: | hehe, may be |
| [04:37:53] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: well its got at least one driver dev (who apparently has one) very interested |
| [04:38:05] | wagnerrp: | but i still say humbug on the lack of hardware compressor |
| [04:38:43] | high-rez: | A couple of things to remember: when she said she liked video games? She meant, she liked video games up until the point when you two got married. Also, she's ok with you just the way you are – but that ends once you're married. Finally, I know she's always been ok with you spending on toys, but you're married now and she's gonna want to save for the baby. But hey at least you're getting some action right? <g> |
| [04:38:46] | ** high-rez ducks ** | |
| [04:38:49] | stoth: | wait a couple of months for the new haup product. PCIe, compressor, component and HDMI (no HDCP) |
| [04:39:04] | wagnerrp: | maybe if beirdo ever gets his gputrans going... http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/gputrans/overview.php |
| [04:39:19] | wagnerrp: | stoth: i would /definately/ prefer a PCIe over USB |
| [04:39:28] | stoth: | wagnerrp: yeah, me also |
| [04:39:33] | high-rez: | stoth: Who cares about hdcp, in a couple of months there will be hdcp passthrough devices ;) |
| [04:39:48] | stoth: | lol, we'll see. |
| [04:39:59] | Beirdo: | hhheeh |
| [04:40:03] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: lets hope they dont get seized by customs patrols at the border |
| [04:40:09] | Beirdo: | ugh, yeah, you keep reminding me |
| [04:40:16] | wagnerrp: | they are illegal after all |
| [04:40:43] | [R]: | they araen't illegal till the courts say they are |
| [04:40:53] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Not is you're using them for a lawful purpose. Everything has gotten so skewed. Fair use be damned. |
| [04:41:11] | wagnerrp: | courts have ruled in favor of DMCA, there is precedent |
| [04:41:35] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: you doing it for personal use is fine, someone else distributing them is not |
| [04:41:47] | wagnerrp: | so its an end run around fair use |
| [04:42:12] | wagnerrp: | you can fair use all you want, you just cant get your hands on the tech to allow you to do so |
| [04:42:44] | clever: | what if you make it yourself? |
| [04:43:05] | high-rez: | Ehh, eventually someone will produce a device thats just a repeater/converter, which has an open firmware framework – and somebody else will produce a custom firmware for it. :) |
| [04:43:06] | wagnerrp: | then you have no time to watch all that content you can now access |
| [04:43:17] | clever: | would it be legal to make a passthru device that lacks the keys? |
| [04:43:35] | clever: | then all its missing is the contents of that pastebin link |
| [04:43:48] | Beirdo: | would it be legal to bite me? :) |
| [04:43:50] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:44:01] | Beirdo: | sorry, I think I should go get more coffee |
| [04:44:23] | high-rez: | clever: Thats exactly what will happen. Someone will make a pass through device that doesn't do any decrypting, but has the ability to run third party firmware that can. HDCP is no longer relevant. |
| [04:44:42] | high-rez: | LIke all other DRM, it only impedes people playing by the rules, not those who don't care about the rules. |
| [04:44:43] | clever: | high-rez: yeah, that sounds like the perfect loop-hole |
| [04:44:59] | wagnerrp: | except that firmware is then illegal |
| [04:45:09] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: LIke decss? |
| [04:45:09] | wagnerrp: | (to distribute in the US) |
| [04:45:13] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [04:45:22] | clever: | wagnerrp: what if the firmware lacked the keys that make it actualy work? |
| [04:45:27] | clever: | would it be legal then? |
| [04:45:32] | high-rez: | I've noticed they've done a FANTASTIC job of preventing decss from being distributed in the US. |
| [04:46:13] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: POint being, the hardware wont be stopped at customs. It'll be allowed in, cause it doesn't do anything by itself. |
| [04:46:16] | Beirdo: | OK... ATSC on HVR-2250 running. |
| [04:46:58] | high-rez: | After all, nobody is going to start banning ti calculators because they can be used to defeat the DRM mechanism in the PS3. |
| [04:47:30] | stoth: | ban 'em, that's what I say. |
| [04:47:50] | Beirdo: | Use HP48G |
| [04:47:52] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:48:09] | clever: | high-rez: i'm thinking along the lines of an almost fully working hdcp stripper, that simply is missing the keys to make it actualy work, then you just input the pastebin contents that has all the keys |
| [04:48:43] | clever: | its not illegal to share the device until you input the keys from the internet |
| [04:48:45] | Beirdo: | clever: why don't you ponder that somewhere where google's not indexing what you are saying? |
| [04:48:51] | stoth: | The people who make hdcp decryption technology only license it to HDCP licensees. |
| [04:49:00] | val-l: | I want to be able to take my blu-ray disc — legally purchased — and mix an audio track across the back speaker channels |
| [04:49:23] | val-l: | it's called "rifftrax", and the current method of syncing is draconian |
| [04:49:40] | wagnerrp: | val-l: mythtv does not support multiple simultaneous audio tracks |
| [04:49:51] | high-rez: | clever: Yeah, however its implemented – someone will figure it out. It's not if, but when. The technology is not relevant. I honestly believe it doesn't matter when making purchasing decisions if your goal is long term. |
| [04:49:57] | Beirdo: | oh crap |
| [04:50:03] | wagnerrp: | you will have to rip it, demux it, remix the two tracks, and remux it before you can play it |
| [04:50:05] | Beirdo: | I need to reorder inputs... again |
| [04:50:05] | val-l: | wagnerrp: that was beyond the scope of mythtv |
| [04:50:40] | val-l: | besides, I'm using Fedora — and as far as I know, fedora's pulseaudio doesn't speak 5.1 (yet?) |
| [04:51:30] | wagnerrp: | pulseaudio is a never-ending source of pain for everyone involved |
| [04:51:51] | clever: | i uninstall it every chance i get |
| [04:53:21] | val-l: | it has some nice controls and features |
| [04:53:38] | val-l: | pavucontrol is quite nice for getting things right |
| [04:53:59] | val-l: | but I do use pasuspender if I want 5.1 passthrough |
| [04:54:02] | wagnerrp: | its nice from a user interface standpoint |
| [04:54:17] | wagnerrp: | its awful from a media player standpoint |
| [04:54:38] | high-rez: | The whole linux sound ecosystem is so bad in general. :( |
| [04:55:18] | val-l: | i'd rather the pulse work had gone into alsa |
| [04:55:32] | high-rez: | Ditto. But getting anything into also is a pain |
| [04:55:52] | high-rez: | Even standard accepted 'this is has its been done for 20 different devices' type stuff. |
| [04:56:14] | high-rez: | You'll end up getting told 'maybe, but I'd rather you rewrite the entire system to detect instead of hardcoding it' |
| [04:56:21] | high-rez: | But you know, that's just my complaint about alsa. :) |
| [04:57:00] | Beirdo: | OK, renumber complete |
| [04:57:08] | Beirdo: | just in time for 10pm recordings |
| [04:57:11] | val-l: | REN 10 100 |
| [04:57:31] | val-l: | oh, thought you were talking AppleSoft |
| [04:58:39] | val-l: | btw, I used part of "The Legend of Hell House" on youtube to support a discussion I was having, and had to jump through way too many hoops before they admitted it was fair use |
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| [04:59:52] | val-l: | "they" being youtube...they really don't support fair use, actually |
| [05:00:13] | Beirdo: | sure they do |
| [05:00:19] | Beirdo: | just not on their site |
| [05:00:24] | val-l: | hahaha |
| [05:00:26] | val-l: | good point |
| [05:01:50] | Beirdo: | hehe. both HD Homerun channels... plus one of the HVR2250 channels (ATSC) plus HDPVR |
| [05:01:53] | Beirdo: | ahhh, :) |
| [05:02:02] | stoth: | nice |
| [05:02:19] | Beirdo: | I put the digital and analog into input groups |
| [05:02:40] | Beirdo: | so it shouldn't try to ever use them simultaneously on an encoder channel |
| [05:03:13] | Beirdo: | and once I have proper channel changers for the directv receivers (hopefully tomorrow), I'll let em rip |
| [05:03:25] | stoth: | hmm. should mythweb stream using flash? |
| [05:03:40] | wagnerrp: | it can, but it is disabled by default |
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| [05:33:58] | Beirdo: | la la la |
| [05:34:12] | Beirdo: | filling my disks with recordings... fun :) |
| [05:34:46] | wagnerrp: | filling my disks with failure... |
| [05:34:56] | wagnerrp: | im going to switch my HDHR back to my linux backend |
| [05:34:58] | Beirdo: | not so much fun |
| [05:35:01] | wagnerrp: | and see if the recording issues continue |
| [05:35:52] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–27 22:35:01.088 Error: offset>181, pes length & current cannot be queried |
| [05:35:57] | Beirdo: | ooh, new errors |
| [05:43:46] | wagnerrp: | stoth: still around? |
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| [06:04:02] | Beirdo: | nniiiice |
| [06:04:32] | Beirdo: | commflagging MPEG2 1080i at 120fps, 720p at 220fps |
| [06:04:35] | Beirdo: | simultaneously |
| [06:07:02] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you think these are the same card? http://mythtv.org/wiki?title=Technotrend_T130 . . . ;oldid=26063 http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TechnoTrend_TT-DVB-T_1300 |
| [06:07:53] | wagnerrp: | nevermind... firmware download page is invalid |
| [06:08:08] | wagnerrp: | even if the info about the firmware is worthwhile, nothing you can do with it |
| [06:08:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:08:37] | Beirdo: | never mind then |
| [06:09:15] | Beirdo: | but yeah, highly likely they are in fact the same card |
| [06:09:50] | wagnerrp: | so that only leaves the HVR-1800, not sure what to do with that one |
| [06:10:05] | wagnerrp: | it actually does have valid mythtv-specific information |
| [06:10:12] | Beirdo: | oh? |
| [06:10:16] | wagnerrp: | (well it doesnt, but it could) |
| [06:10:34] | wagnerrp: | yeah, analog on the 1800 works on linux, but theres an unresolved driver quirk that causes issues with mythtv |
| [06:10:56] | wagnerrp: | but the page doesnt actually say that, it just says analog outright doesnt work |
| [06:11:04] | Beirdo: | umm, you mean the -1600? |
| [06:11:12] | wagnerrp: | 1600 works fine |
| [06:11:16] | Beirdo: | the 1800 page says ready for deletion |
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| [06:11:30] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki?title=Hauppauge_HVR-1800&oldid=35230 |
| [06:11:38] | wagnerrp: | its basically empty anyway |
| [06:11:48] | wagnerrp: | but im not sure if it should be deleted from being useless |
| [06:12:01] | wagnerrp: | or if i should put in there some mention about the analog issues |
| [06:12:21] | Beirdo: | some mention would be good |
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| [06:12:31] | Beirdo: | but yeah, the old page...useless |
| [06:14:54] | wagnerrp: | for all i know, the issue was fixed months ago |
| [06:15:21] | Beirdo: | ain't got one, couldn't say :) |
| [06:15:41] | wagnerrp: | perhaps it has... 'Mythtv: Havent have time to mess with this yet but there has been reports that it work.' |
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| [06:15:56] | wagnerrp: | deleted |
| [06:18:03] | wagnerrp: | now all thats left is to go back through the ones gbee already deleted, and see if theres any worth keeping |
| [06:18:15] | wagnerrp: | i know there was one somewhere that he drug back up and pastebinned the content |
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| [06:21:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:21:48] | Beirdo: | well, I'm pretty happy with my setup for tonight anyways |
| [06:21:49] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:22:26] | Beirdo: | still gotta do something about 0-byte recordings |
| [06:23:46] | wagnerrp: | hehe... people actually use that license... http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/File:MS . . . r2-small.jpg |
| [06:24:24] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:24:55] | Beirdo: | the images aren't really copyright by a user anyways, it's not art |
| [06:25:24] | Beirdo: | or somthing |
| [06:25:29] | Beirdo: | eeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| [06:25:33] | Beirdo: | stupid key |
| [06:26:39] | wagnerrp: | i prefer the j button myself |
| [06:27:05] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:27:17] | Beirdo: | a piece of cruft got stuck under the key |
| [06:28:01] | wagnerrp: | hey look, heres your deleted page |
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| [06:53:29] | Beirdo: | well, I think I'll head to bed |
| [06:53:39] | Beirdo: | night, all |
| [06:53:52] | jstenback: | is the mythtv-rec branch expected to merge with trunk before 0.24? |
| [06:53:58] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [06:53:59] | Beirdo: | no |
| [06:54:03] | jstenback: | k |
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| [06:54:11] | jstenback: | thanks |
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| [07:12:04] | justinh: | mythtv-rec branch? heh and I thought I was keeping up |
| [07:13:19] | wagnerrp: | its intended to add support for a couple new types of capture cards |
| [07:14:34] | justinh: | ahh |
| [07:16:05] | [R]: | capture card |
| [07:16:06] | wagnerrp: | cablecard, the windows api, apparently there are some ASI mpeg cards someone wants to use |
| [07:16:06] | [R]: | thats what she said |
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| [10:25:00] | _martin: | hi, i got fedora with mythv and a wintv hvr-1000 (usb) |
| [10:25:19] | _martin: | but the wintv hvr 1000 driver isnt installed |
| [10:25:22] | _martin: | how can i do that? |
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| [10:44:58] | justinh: | download the driver from Hauppauge, double click setup.exe.. |
| [10:45:03] | justinh: | oh wait.. |
| [10:45:29] | justinh: | you should probably check the linuxtv.org wiki page to find out what modules you need to load |
| [10:48:56] | justinh: | oh and you should maybe realise that you might not know how to tell if the driver is loaded or not. lspci often lies, dmesg can be confusing to newbies |
| [10:57:51] | ** lyricnz just tried plex. that's cool. way cooler than myth :( ** | |
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| [10:59:08] | justinh: | oh no it isn't! |
| [10:59:23] | justinh: | plex doesn't record teevees |
| [10:59:58] | jayage: | that's right. there are few good media players, many less good PVRs |
| [11:00:00] | lyricnz: | yeah, that's about the some of it ;) |
| [11:00:05] | lyricnz: | sum |
| [11:00:15] | justinh: | and frankly, SO WHAT if Plex has a stupid spinny animated interface.. it can't record teevees, and doesn't really count as a 'media center' if it can't record teevees |
| [11:00:44] | justinh: | plex is what used to be elisa, yes? |
| [11:00:50] | jayage: | plus mythui recently got a lot better |
| [11:00:51] | lyricnz: | this project is SO much older than plex, yet "we" still have fugly interface, despite all this new-ui stuff |
| [11:01:07] | jayage: | i find arclight rather good |
| [11:01:16] | lyricnz: | flex has good media metadata sourcing too |
| [11:01:21] | justinh: | arclight rocks, but sadly not to my wife's eyes |
| [11:01:45] | jayage: | perhaps if you replace background graphics she might like it better ;) |
| [11:02:05] | justinh: | oh plex is some mac thing or other |
| [11:02:08] | jayage: | those are acquired taste |
| [11:02:23] | justinh: | forked from XBMC |
| [11:02:29] | justinh: | X B M C == MEH |
| [11:03:03] | justinh: | XBMC, plex et al .. basically little more than file browsers with integrated media players IMHO |
| [11:03:14] | lyricnz: | sure, but they do that job well, and we don't |
| [11:03:20] | justinh: | so? |
| [11:03:23] | lyricnz: | i mean, mythvideo is fugly man |
| [11:03:31] | justinh: | if 'we' includes YOU, it's YOUR fault too :) |
| [11:03:43] | justinh: | stop frickin whining about it then |
| [11:04:06] | jayage: | i would dispute that notion |
| [11:04:07] | ** lyricnz submitted a couple of patches, but found the dev community totally unfriendly and unhelpful ** | |
| [11:04:10] | jayage: | it used to be ugly |
| [11:04:14] | jayage: | it is not anymore |
| [11:04:24] | justinh: | unfriendly? |
| [11:04:29] | justinh: | unhelpful? when?! |
| [11:04:31] | jayage: | metadata retrieving also improved massively between 0.21 and 0.23 |
| [11:04:36] | jayage: | not running 0.24 yet |
| [11:04:49] | justinh: | there isn't a 0.24 yet, FWIW :) |
| [11:04:54] | justinh: | trunk maybe |
| [11:05:04] | jayage: | it's close to it |
| [11:05:07] | justinh: | </pedant> |
| [11:05:10] | lyricnz: | justinh: to be honest, it was probably 6–8 years since I just lo oked at contributing here. |
| [11:05:12] | jayage: | let's not be nitpicky |
| [11:05:20] | justinh: | lyricnz: a lot has changed |
| [11:05:24] | justinh: | a hell of a lot |
| [11:06:24] | justinh: | there are still some things I could argue the toss over til the cows come home, which some devs would be vehemently opposed to, but that's the thing about open source for ya |
| [11:06:39] | justinh: | if you don't like it so much, fork it :) |
| [11:06:58] | jayage: | lyrincz: check out release dates here: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/roadmap?show=completed |
| [11:07:06] | ** lyricnz expects to teach the family alt-tab to get between the nice thing, and the thing that can record :) ** | |
| [11:07:09] | jayage: | things are looking up |
| [11:07:23] | justinh: | this kind of stuff makes me so mad |
| [11:07:59] | justinh: | and yet.. much less likely to want to do anything about it |
| [11:08:19] | lyricnz: | yeah. the fact that it makes you (and the other devs) mad is precisely the problem, dude. |
| [11:08:32] | justinh: | well no, actually |
| [11:08:39] | justinh: | I AM NOT a dev |
| [11:08:54] | lyricnz: | you get mad, and bitch out everyone who makes suggestions, rather than thinking about how we can make a better product, taking some of that advice on board |
| [11:08:59] | justinh: | I haven't contributed a stitch to mythtv for a considerable amount of time |
| [11:09:05] | justinh: | what advice?! |
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| [11:09:19] | justinh: | you haven't said a single constructive thing about how to improve mythtv |
| [11:09:25] | lyricnz: | yeah, i think you were doing some dev stuff back when I was trying to get involved |
| [11:09:28] | justinh: | I don't count "make it suck less" |
| [11:09:30] | jayage: | he said that it should look better |
| [11:09:44] | jayage: | which is where bulk of work in recent years went into |
| [11:09:58] | jayage: | anything else? |
| [11:10:03] | lyricnz: | We have 1–2 non-fugly themes, graphite and arclight. I mean, UI by geeks! |
| [11:10:15] | justinh: | the project has tried to attract better themes.. and er.... hm.... |
| [11:10:15] | lyricnz: | and I count myself in that camp of course, I suck at design :) |
| [11:10:25] | jayage: | that means you got 2 good looking themes to choose from |
| [11:10:26] | lyricnz: | my other oss project suffers the same problem |
| [11:10:39] | lyricnz: | last time i tried arclight it was buggy as hell |
| [11:10:47] | jayage: | when was that? |
| [11:10:48] | lyricnz: | how's it these days? did it ever get *released*? |
| [11:10:55] | justinh: | it got included in the project |
| [11:11:00] | justinh: | it's the only FULL theme now |
| [11:11:01] | jayage: | i'm using it daily for months. looks fine here |
| [11:11:04] | ** lyricnz looks ** | |
| [11:11:06] | justinh: | the only one! |
| [11:11:13] | simonckenyon: | i don't understand this fascination with themes – they are what you see when you are not doing anything – so who cares? |
| [11:11:17] | lyricnz: | Hah, shit, it is too :) |
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| [11:11:37] | lyricnz: | simonckenyon: we take all the functionality for granted now, myth is pretty solid in that area. |
| [11:11:46] | lyricnz: | simonckenyon: so UI/look'n'feel is what is left/lacking |
| [11:11:47] | jayage: | i do care, and many users do |
| [11:11:54] | justinh: | I also take criticism of how myth looks/has always looked as a personal slight.. because I bust my ass to make it look better for ages |
| [11:12:07] | justinh: | so yeah bloody cheers for the thanks |
| [11:12:17] | jayage: | however, there are some who'd like to do changing among 100 themes all the time. mythtv does not cater to them |
| [11:12:19] | jayage: | tough luck |
| [11:12:19] | justinh: | er.. I mean slap in the face with a soiled towel |
| [11:12:56] | jayage: | thumbs up |
| [11:13:10] | jayage: | i didn't like the look of 0.21, which is what i started on |
| [11:13:16] | justinh: | yeah well it's much easier not to bother |
| [11:13:28] | jayage: | but starting with 0.22 and now on 0.23 things look good |
| [11:13:43] | justinh: | if XBMC or whatever had some of mythtv's better features I'd probably have already moved, I have to confess |
| [11:14:06] | jayage: | see, but these are hard to replicate |
| [11:14:14] | lyricnz: | yeah, if it supported scheduling a mythbackend, I'd never run mythfrontend again :) |
| [11:14:21] | justinh: | yeah, so is rewriting a whole user interface |
| [11:14:24] | jayage: | or most people don't care anymore |
| [11:14:49] | jayage: | for many pirating stuff is easier than recording anything |
| [11:15:49] | jayage: | mythfrontend had a lots of issues |
| [11:16:04] | jayage: | it would break down on me once or twice a week |
| [11:16:15] | jayage: | now it runs as long as there are no kenel updates |
| [11:17:17] | jayage: | kernel |
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| [11:25:25] | justinh: | yeah well the old maxim of "if it ain't broke..." still applies |
| [11:25:41] | justinh: | amended to say "if it ain't broke, never update anything" |
| [11:28:13] | justinh: | be interesting to see what happens when 0.24 comes out, regarding other projects which abuse the mythtv protocol |
| [11:28:39] | lyricnz: | heheh, do you take everything as a personal insult, man? |
| [11:28:46] | jayage: | such as? |
| [11:29:32] | justinh: | such as.. programs which talk to a myth backend & lie about which protocol version they speak.. the aforementioned 'media centers' |
| [11:30:05] | justinh: | lyricnz: no not a personal insult but it still sucks when people bad-mouth something you worked your ass off on |
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| [11:30:35] | jayage: | okay. don't see what 0.24 should change about their bahavior |
| [11:30:44] | lyricnz: | nobody is saying you did a bad job. they're just saying it still sucks. presumably a bit less for your effort . :) |
| [11:30:56] | justinh: | jayage: speaking the right protocol version for one thing, and sticking to it |
| [11:31:05] | jayage: | behavior |
| [11:31:16] | justinh: | jayage: also deciding whether to follow the released version or not |
| [11:31:57] | jayage: | lyrincz: have you used mythtv in the last, say, 5 months? |
| [11:32:08] | lyricnz: | used? |
| [11:32:15] | lyricnz: | I use 0.23 every day of the week man |
| [11:32:44] | lyricnz: | as does wife and kids |
| [11:32:53] | jayage: | just making sure |
| [11:32:57] | lyricnz: | it's bloody good at recording and stuff, it's just ugly. |
| [11:33:06] | jayage: | because we see different things |
| [11:33:14] | ** lyricnz has been using mythtv for ... maybe 8 years ** | |
| [11:33:20] | justinh: | sure there are a multitude of ways myth can be improved. rest assured people have those things in their sights but hell this is something people do in their own time, scratching their own itches. If anybody cared particularly about the UI being animated above anything else it already would be |
| [11:33:25] | lyricnz: | maybe a bit more |
| [11:33:28] | jayage: | except for mythmusic, which badly needs to be rewritten, i'd say mythtv looks good |
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| [11:33:55] | ** lyricnz installing xbmc (ugh) and mediaportal (doubleugh) to compare current state of things ** | |
| [11:34:31] | justinh: | I found it amusing when I found out MP had moved to a database based architecture |
| [11:34:40] | lyricnz: | heheh |
| [11:34:59] | justinh: | particularly so after seeing so many people whining about how mythtv relied on one |
| [11:35:05] | lyricnz: | I've got no interested in running MP, need to run a vmware box just to look at it |
| [11:35:20] | lyricnz: | oh the DB is totally the right way to do it, anything else is dumb |
| [11:35:29] | justinh: | last time I tried MP I wasn't especially impressed in the slightest |
| [11:35:50] | lyricnz: | I just tried latest version of plex, you see, and was very impressed – for what it was |
| [11:35:50] | justinh: | it looked ok but boy was it slow & unresponsive |
| [11:36:04] | lyricnz: | (mostly) lovely ui, nice media metadata. |
| [11:36:28] | lyricnz: | I don't like how (maybe default theme?) the config settings pop up on the left and right, hard to navigate |
| [11:36:35] | justinh: | I was utterly blown away a while ago when I tried XBMC with one of those new HD skins.. but after a while playing with it I found it really wasn't for me |
| [11:36:45] | lyricnz: | if myth looked like that, and worked like it does now, things would be great :) |
| [11:36:59] | justinh: | metadata support in mythtv is awesome now |
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| [11:37:07] | jayage: | agree |
| [11:37:21] | jayage: | lyrincz: what theme you're using? |
| [11:37:23] | justinh: | in 0.24 it'll be even better because it won't even rely on an external metadata grabbing script |
| [11:37:38] | ** lyricnz probably needs to set something up. Last time I looked, I needed to go into eac hvideo one-by one, and try and get metadata ** | |
| [11:37:50] | lyricnz: | and it fucked up about 1/4 of the time |
| [11:37:56] | justinh: | language ;-) |
| [11:38:00] | lyricnz: | fscked ;) |
| [11:38:13] | lyricnz: | couldn't use directory names to determine the logical name of the content, only filenames, sheesh. |
| [11:38:16] | justinh: | getting metadata right 1st time depends a lot on your filenames |
| [11:38:26] | lyricnz: | plex got every one of mine right first time |
| [11:38:39] | justinh: | myth does not, and never will filter out the 1337 style crap |
| [11:38:40] | lyricnz: | my structure is /mythtv/Movies/Movie Title/whatever |
| [11:39:01] | lyricnz: | the filenames are crap (they are as-found), but the directory is named perfectly |
| [11:39:27] | lyricnz: | it would be nice if it could recognise S02E03 type bits for tv eps too. Does it these days? |
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| [11:39:36] | lyricnz: | s/crap/cruddy/ |
| [11:39:39] | lyricnz: | language |
| [11:40:01] | justinh: | I ripped a DVD of a TV series at the weekend, transcoded it all in handbrake.. named everything appropriately .. and whaddya know mythvideo just went off & got the metadata from tvdm |
| [11:40:05] | justinh: | er tvdb |
| [11:40:13] | justinh: | fanart, the works :D |
| [11:40:26] | justinh: | I think we're allowed to say crap |
| [11:40:28] | jayage: | yes it can |
| [11:40:58] | jayage: | series work mostly automatically, if filenames are right |
| [11:41:02] | ** lyricnz just installed xbmc on his mythfrontend, wanders off to see if it sucks too ** | |
| [11:41:18] | justinh: | I don't really care if myth can grab metadata for hundreds of newly added files or not.. I don't add much very often |
| [11:41:23] | lyricnz: | my movie filenames, in particular, are bad- but I should have the option of using the nice directory names. |
| [11:41:35] | justinh: | patches are always welcome |
| [11:41:35] | jayage: | that would be usefull, correct |
| [11:42:04] | jayage: | hehe – way to go. lyrincz has got an idea for a good one |
| [11:42:05] | lyricnz: | justinh: I think you've hit the nail on the head – the developers don't use it, so anyone who wants that is a whiney punk |
| [11:42:11] | justinh: | well, always welcome if they fit in with the current way of thinking.. etc |
| [11:42:36] | lyricnz: | iirc, I looked at the metadata fetcher many years ago, and it did my head in |
| [11:42:41] | lyricnz: | my perl skills aren't great |
| [11:42:56] | justinh: | it's pretty easy to use now, but as of 0.24 will be no longer required |
| [11:43:06] | mikeones: | hello, it is not clear to me by reading the doco for mythvideo but when using SG's do you have to mount the Fanart, Banners, Screenshots, and Coverart folders locally on a remote frontend? |
| [11:43:13] | justinh: | python now anyway.. JAMU always was |
| [11:43:19] | justinh: | mikeones: nope |
| [11:43:26] | mikeones: | thanks |
| [11:43:31] | justinh: | mikeones: set em up as SGs in mythvideo setup too, and they'll all follow as well |
| [11:44:17] | lyricnz: | what's the metadata script called? |
| [11:44:49] | lyricnz: | I see alpacine.pl kniox.pl tmdb.py |
| [11:44:51] | justinh: | JAMU |
| [11:45:03] | justinh: | it came with 0.22 & 0.23 IIRC |
| [11:45:25] | lyricnz: | less jamu.README |
| [11:45:40] | justinh: | there are a few things worth noting that other projects don't do that mythtv does & vice-versa |
| [11:45:49] | justinh: | 1. scraping websites in breach of their T&Cs |
| [11:45:52] | justinh: | myth doesn't |
| [11:45:58] | jayage: | funny would be if you'd find out it can use dir names :) |
| [11:46:15] | ** lyricnz doubts his system is doing *any* metadata lookup ** | |
| [11:46:44] | lyricnz: | not sure that metadata shows up on mythcenter theme anyway? |
| [11:46:46] | justinh: | 2. if you have multiple frontends, not having to go through the rigmarole of adding metadata for all your media for every instance (myth doesn't, do it once & it's there everywhere) |
| [11:47:08] | ** lyricnz goes to see if this arclight is on his system, and how metadata config works ** | |
| [11:47:17] | justinh: | ugh.. we need to kill that theme immediately. it looks of its time.. but its time is over |
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| [11:47:21] | jayage: | jamu should be set up |
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| [11:47:51] | jayage: | on ubuntu links for forlders holding different images had to be uncommented, at least on my machine |
| [11:47:57] | jayage: | folders |
| [11:48:23] | jayage: | so metadata should be added, if it can parse your filenames |
| [11:48:40] | jayage: | mythcenter shows metadata, but haven't used it in a looooong time |
| [11:48:46] | jayage: | so no idea how they look |
| [11:49:07] | justinh: | doesn't support fanart or banners though. only covers IIRC |
| [11:49:37] | jayage: | ah, that could be the reason why i abandoned it :) |
| [11:50:03] | justinh: | making a theme support fanart is a 3-line change (in multiple places) |
| [11:50:30] | justinh: | but then I've never seen the point of having fanart if you're plastering text literally all over it |
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| [11:51:09] | justinh: | that's something arclight does really well IMHO.. gives you all the info but lets the artwork shine |
| [11:51:25] | jayage: | arclight covers 1/2 of it most of the time |
| [11:51:32] | jayage: | but what a heck, it still looks neat |
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| [11:52:11] | jayage: | there is no accounting for taste |
| [11:52:45] | justinh: | if we're nice to stuart maybe he'll wire up the animation stuff, but I can't see me foaming at the mouth about having it |
| [11:53:14] | justinh: | least not til my frontend has non-intel video hardware. opengl on intel really bites |
| [11:54:57] | justinh: | why the heck do some projects support the use of CUE files? ugh |
| [11:55:07] | lyricnz: | ahh yes, I remember why I don't use a decent theme |
| [11:55:22] | justinh: | prolly the same reason they support RAR & ZIP files too. Arhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| [11:55:46] | lyricnz: | I have quite a bit of overscan. And I'm too stupid to understand how the damn offset/wizard stuff works |
| [11:55:58] | lyricnz: | can someone explain that to me? |
| [11:56:28] | justinh: | heh |
| [11:56:38] | lyricnz: | if I go into screen setup wizard, and move the little arrows until they're just on the screen, then hit save, my interface moves to top-left corner of the screen (shrinking to right size), but not getting offset right |
| [11:56:47] | justinh: | I nicked the idea for the screen setup wizard from XBMC |
| [11:56:56] | lyricnz: | do I need to do wizard *and* the offset things? |
| [11:57:02] | justinh: | you shouldn't |
| [11:57:10] | lyricnz: | sec, I'll go wireless and take this machine into the lounge |
| [11:57:12] | jayage: | i only did offset by hand |
| [11:57:15] | justinh: | but I never tested it running natively on a Mac |
| [11:57:25] | lyricnz: | this is not on a mac, this is on linux |
| [11:57:31] | jayage: | just go slowly, and you will find right numbers |
| [11:57:42] | lyricnz: | my only mac is my laptop, everything else is linux |
| [11:57:44] | lyricnz: | sec |
| [11:57:57] | justinh: | I think I've only used it a couple of times myself |
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| [11:58:30] | jayage: | can't give you my numbers to try at the moment though |
| [11:58:55] | justinh: | the top left arrow controls the offset |
| [11:59:03] | lyricnz_: | sorry, I probably lost that |
| [11:59:04] | justinh: | the bottom right arrow controls the size |
| [11:59:18] | lyricnz_: | I get disconnected switching between wired and wireless |
| [11:59:30] | lyricnz_: | I can adjust screen size, offset |
| [11:59:30] | justinh: | size = bottomrightX – topleftX x bottomrightY – topleft Y |
| [11:59:32] | jayage: | i think i only shrunk it by 1 or 2% |
| [11:59:35] | lyricnz_: | but offset doesnt' seem to be applied |
| [11:59:38] | jayage: | that was enough |
| [11:59:42] | justinh: | offset = topleftX, topleftY |
| [12:00:22] | lyricnz_: | right now, it's showing size:1620x874, and offset 51x26 |
| [12:00:35] | lyricnz_: | I don't think that's what I set it to. |
| [12:00:41] | lyricnz_: | sec, I'll set it back and double check |
| [12:00:48] | justinh: | it's due a complete rewrite anyway. when I first wrote it we couldn't draw outside the window.. and still can't.. that really needs to change if it's ever to work as intended |
| [12:01:27] | lyricnz_: | I had it fullscreen, desktop res (1920x1080), with lots of overscan |
| [12:01:33] | lyricnz_: | that's how it was until now |
| [12:01:39] | justinh: | it'll be a simple change in theory – making myth run full screen no matter what but only draw on the area we want instead |
| [12:01:45] | lyricnz_: | yes! |
| [12:01:54] | lyricnz_: | so I use screen wizard, move the arrows, and it looks like it's going to do the right thing |
| [12:02:14] | justinh: | if you already made it smaller you'll have to RESET it to resize it again |
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| [12:02:46] | lyricnz: | yup. |
| [12:02:48] | justinh: | big limitation & I can't remember why that is – but it's the reason it's got the 'reset' feature |
| [12:02:55] | lyricnz: | so here it is exactly, I think it's a bug. |
| [12:03:05] | justinh: | doubtless |
| [12:03:14] | lyricnz: | I'm in screen wizard. it's showing 1920x1080. |
| [12:03:19] | justinh: | like I said it needs redoing completely |
| [12:03:41] | justinh: | prolly last on *my* list though :P |
| [12:04:11] | lyricnz: | I adjust the two arrows so they fit. It's now saying: 1725x925 offset 50x27 |
| [12:04:18] | lyricnz: | which would be great if it worked :) |
| [12:04:31] | lyricnz: | running save+quit |
| [12:04:47] | lyricnz: | ui is now resized to 1725, but not offset |
| [12:04:53] | justinh: | I'll try it here |
| [12:04:54] | lyricnz: | well |
| [12:04:59] | lyricnz: | maybe it's not even resized |
| [12:05:10] | lyricnz: | it's definitiely smaller, but I can see all the UI |
| [12:05:35] | justinh: | works here |
| [12:05:48] | lyricnz: | Hmm, I think it's got the wrong size, but offset must be working, because I can see all the left hand side of the controls, which were missing |
| [12:06:11] | justinh: | works at home too |
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| [12:07:18] | justinh: | if there was only one UI painter in myth I might've managed to do a lot more with it |
| [12:07:37] | justinh: | I hope the qt painter goes the way of the dodo soon |
| [12:08:00] | justinh: | either that or there's a move to native qt painting which can switch seamlessly between gl & software rendering |
| [12:08:08] | lyricnz: | going into screen settings, it's showing the 1725x925 offset 50x27 (which is what I set) |
| [12:08:14] | lyricnz: | and I can see all the controls |
| [12:08:19] | lyricnz: | but not fullscreen, ugh |
| [12:08:29] | justinh: | heh |
| [12:08:49] | lyricnz: | setting width more in here might be working |
| [12:08:56] | lyricnz: | wizard, not so much :) |
| [12:09:43] | lyricnz: | just keep tweaking |
| [12:09:51] | lyricnz: | and see if it sticks |
| [12:10:00] | jayage: | go manual |
| [12:10:11] | jayage: | worked for me, it should not be too much work |
| [12:10:13] | lyricnz: | yeah, I'm doing it on the appearance page t2 |
| [12:10:15] | justinh: | nope, just tried resizing from fullscreen to 1280x720 with an offset. works fine |
| [12:10:31] | jayage: | also make sure your TV is set properly to 1:1 mapping, if you use that |
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| [12:16:49] | lyricnz: | okay, by manually setting offset and size, that's working fine. |
| [12:16:52] | lyricnz: | great |
| [12:17:00] | lyricnz: | now metadata. |
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| [12:17:42] | lyricnz: | does "jamu" have a pretty name in the UI? I don't see that word mentioned |
| [12:18:28] | lyricnz: | only tmdb, "TheMovieDB APIv2", kinox, alpacine, allocine. |
| [12:18:38] | justinh: | you don't run it from the UI |
| [12:18:39] | RDV_Linux: | lydgate: Jamu is a separate python script and not integrated with the UI in anyway |
| [12:19:10] | lyricnz: | hmm, okay. |
| [12:20:06] | jayage: | but you can try to fetch something just to see how things look like through a menu for a single item |
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| [12:20:16] | jayage: | before playing around with jamu |
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| [12:21:29] | lyricnz: | which is the best of the rest? |
| [12:22:49] | jayage: | never used any other apart from jamu. in the interface i simply go on metadata/fetch |
| [12:22:55] | jayage: | no idea what will get invoked |
| [12:23:43] | lyricnz: | hmmm, can't find the video manager in the menu ;) |
| [12:23:58] | justinh: | it got moved |
| [12:24:09] | jayage: | i've got all necessary keys mapped to remote, so can't tell you which key is the menu |
| [12:24:28] | justinh: | W to grab metadata |
| [12:24:31] | RDV_Linux: | jayage: In the soon to be released 0.24 there is a MythVideo mass metadata update built right into the UI. This is being prompted as the Jamu replacement |
| [12:24:56] | jayage: | justinh: thanks, justinh already mentioned it |
| [12:25:33] | RDV_Linux: | jayage: It does things that Jamu does not such as download screen shots. Jamu will get to end-of-life likely by 0.25 |
| [12:25:46] | jayage: | RDV_Linux: oops, typo, that should go to you |
| [12:26:03] | justinh: | RDV_Linux: so will the inbuilt feature do en-mass grabbing too? |
| [12:26:16] | lyricnz: | hmm, I just got a program description, no graphic. normal? |
| [12:26:19] | jayage: | RDV_Linux: great news |
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| [12:26:38] | jayage: | missing screenshots bugged me, if only slightly |
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| [12:26:59] | justinh: | heh the API changed & the version you run maybe hasn't got the update |
| [12:27:01] | jayage: | lyrincz: not normal |
| [12:27:11] | jayage: | graphics can load later than text |
| [12:27:16] | jayage: | so wait few secs |
| [12:27:36] | jayage: | also – make sure you've got directories set properly for screenshots, banners etc. |
| [12:27:46] | justinh: | or there just isn't a graphic because myth isn't handling the redirect properly.. which was fixed after the 0.23 release IIRC |
| [12:27:50] | RDV_Linux: | justinh: I am not sure what you mean because the 0.24 feature will walk through your whole scanned collection and get text and images. It can take a while. |
| [12:27:56] | jayage: | also – make sure FE got user rights on those dirs |
| [12:28:17] | justinh: | RDV_Linux: ah.. so that's a yes then :) |
| [12:28:39] | justinh: | looking fwd to ISO SG support in 0.24 too |
| [12:28:53] | jayage: | that is a big one |
| [12:28:58] | RDV_Linux: | justinh: That is why I have not made updates to Jamu for a while |
| [12:29:01] | jayage: | looking fwd to that too. a lot |
| [12:30:52] | the_Goat: | question about mkv subtitles in trunk. Most work great. But I have some files where the subs work in VLC/totem but not in mythfrontend. Should this be submitted as a bug? |
| [12:31:19] | RDV_Linux: | justinh: As of the 0.24 release Jamu will only have value for Watch Recording image downloads and a handful of small utility functions most people do not use. |
| [12:31:56] | lyricnz: | okay, a couple of directories needed to be created, fan art working now |
| [12:32:04] | lyricnz: | still not dealing with my sucky filenames though :) |
| [12:32:26] | jayage: | lyricnz: rename is your best friend |
| [12:33:01] | RDV_Linux: | lyricnz: Check the MythTV wiki for the supported filename conventions |
| [12:34:22] | jayage: | it works with regular expressions http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/renaming-multip . . . -prompt.html |
| [12:34:46] | jayage: | so you can hast out a script quickly. i did it for some of my filenames |
| [12:37:57] | jayage: | hash |
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| [12:49:21] | lyricnz: | okay, thanks for your help guys. I need to sleep |
| [12:49:28] | jayage: | cheers |
| [12:49:29] | lyricnz: | will explore jamu later |
| [12:50:10] | justinh: | I need to sleep too, but it's only 1.50pm |
| [12:50:24] | lyricnz: | it's 11pm here, and I've got to be up at 0530. Uhg. |
| [12:50:44] | the_Goat: | Is there anybody here who might know about the mkv subtitles? Or should i take my question else where. thanks. |
| [12:51:06] | jayage: | RDV_Linux: do you know how is 0.24 doing? in the original plan posted to mailgroups there should've been RCs by now |
| [12:51:48] | the_Goat: | Should this be submitted as a bug? |
| [12:52:00] | justinh: | what about the mkv subtitles? |
| [12:52:38] | the_Goat: | I have a mkv file where the subtitles work fine in VLC & totem but don't work in mythfrontend |
| [12:53:01] | the_Goat: | i'm not sure if it is a bug or expected behavior |
| [12:53:02] | justinh: | embedded text subtitles? thought they were fixed a while back |
| [12:53:43] | RDV_Linux: | jayage: What moves the release schedule is bug that are deemed critical. I suspect that that is what has shifted the time line. I fully support quality control. User support can kill reputation and development time. |
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| [12:53:51] | justinh: | this is usually where I suggest you rip the subs as separate files next time.. and usually where the other person falls into the 'I download all my videos' hole |
| [12:54:05] | the_Goat: | yes mkvinfo-text calls them 'Codec ID: S_TEXT/ASS' |
| [12:54:41] | the_Goat: | yes I can work around it by ripping the subs. that is not the problem |
| [12:54:52] | justinh: | sounds like a bug to me |
| [12:55:03] | justinh: | something not working is seldom intended behaviour ;-) |
| [12:55:26] | the_Goat: | I stopped ripping out subs because mythfrontend now plays them for the most part |
| [12:55:47] | justinh: | you'd be better putting a small sample up somewhere for testing/verification too, if you raise a new ticket |
| [12:56:16] | the_Goat: | okay, I'll do that tonight |
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| [12:57:57] | jayage: | RDV_Linux: same here. I just wanted to know if you know what the new plan is, but hey, no problem waiting few more weeks |
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| [13:39:44] | justinh: | hmm. fix critical bugs as completely as possible, test til satisfied fixed... that sounds like a plan to me :) |
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| [15:25:45] | skd5aner: | Why close tickets for incomplete themes – seems to me like it would be a useful way to track which screens still need created/fixed/updated for an incomplete theme |
| [15:26:07] | skd5aner: | #9025 for example |
| [15:26:17] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Is that you volunteering to finish them? |
| [15:26:25] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: honestly, maybe... |
| [15:26:29] | iamlindoro: | then do it |
| [15:26:59] | iamlindoro: | but the closest thing to a complete theme in Mythdom is Arclight, and even that misses one or two MythUI screens |
| [15:27:00] | skd5aner: | I just figured a list out there for tracking purposes would make a good "checklist" to know what's incomplete/broke |
| [15:27:16] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: I explained the reasoning in the ticket |
| [15:27:33] | skd5aner: | I saw... |
| [15:27:34] | iamlindoro: | It wasn't an invite to debate it here-- if you finish a screen then you can open a ticket with a patch |
| [15:27:50] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: how come no one can ever question anything you say or do? |
| [15:27:58] | skd5aner: | I mean, I'm simply just asking... that's all |
| [15:27:59] | iamlindoro: | But since most of the current themes are at best ~40% done |
| [15:28:13] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: How come you think you get to make policy as a user? |
| [15:28:33] | skd5aner: | who said I wanted to make a policy? I was just asking about the policy *you* seemed to make |
| [15:28:56] | skd5aner: | not saying it's wrong or right, just asking – I don't see the harm in that |
| [15:29:13] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: And I explained it-- We don't have the manpower to handle a ticket for every screen of every theme that is unfinished-- we're only just starting to get tickets to a manageable point now |
| [15:29:45] | skd5aner: | I feel as though sometimes questioning anything around here is frowned upon to the point that people get belittled for not just keeping their mouth shut and saying yes sir – it's a bit unfortunate |
| [15:29:58] | iamlindoro: | Sorry you feel that way |
| [15:30:01] | skd5aner: | :( |
| [15:30:17] | iamlindoro: | I personally am a little tired of having to cajole, coddle, and beg to try to get anything done |
| [15:30:34] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I'm ok with your reasoning – I just was wondering how people would know what screens needs to be complete, that's all |
| [15:30:58] | iamlindoro: | Don't care where people decide to track it, but it won't be in tickets |
| [15:31:33] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: that's not always my fault, or others, that you have to jump through hoops... there are a few rotten apples out there that probably make things fairly painful for you on occasions |
| [15:31:43] | skd5aner: | but I would hope by now you'd realize I'm not one of those folks |
| [15:31:56] | iamlindoro: | The reason that tickets got out of control in the first place is the awful uphill battle dealing with bitchy users who won't let you close, change, downgrade, or otherwise question their tickets in any way |
| [15:32:02] | skd5aner: | in fact, as I alluded to earlier, I try to go out of my way not to make waves here – it's not worth the effort |
| [15:32:16] | skd5aner: | s/effort/headache |
| [15:32:26] | iamlindoro: | And then I close a minor ticket with a perfectly justified reasoning and I *still* get to raise my blood pressure |
| [15:32:52] | iamlindoro: | So frankly, that kind of crap is the reason that Myth progress ground to a halt for a long time |
| [15:33:18] | iamlindoro: | And to be equally frank, I think I'm one of the primary reasons that things are moving again, by being willing to take heat-- but it still gets a little old |
| [15:33:49] | skd5aner: | but realize, I rarely submit tickets, and when I do it's thouroughly researched (and usually confirmed by folks in here) before I post it, and if for whatever reason it get's closed I don't re-open, opine, etc... so don't take that out on me when I ask a question off-trac about it |
| [15:34:10] | skd5aner: | I would appreciate it at least... |
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| [15:35:24] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: It's easy to opine on policies you don't have to live with-- you can have any opinion you want, you're not the one who ultimately has to slog through the tickets |
| [15:35:30] | skd5aner: | you know that I, and others, recognize the commitment you have put into mythtv – particularly ticket triage and cleanup – realize that not all of us intend to "get your blood boiling" even if we have questions, comments, etc |
| [15:36:05] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Again, it's not appropriate to push on topics where you don't have to carry the burden |
| [15:36:09] | at0m: | skd5aner: was it you who made the 0.24 release notes/change list? if so, thanks, seemed like a serious job, so detailed... :) |
| [15:36:20] | iamlindoro: | it's easy to say "yeah, we should track that!" when you don't have to deal with any of it |
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| [15:37:13] | skd5aner: | at0m: yes, I've been trying to keep it updated since the .23 release – thank you, hope it's worthwhile! |
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| [15:37:33] | at0m: | iamlindoro: it's not like he been sitting still then eh, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.24 |
| [15:38:12] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I'm not saying trac is the place – I was just asking if not trac, then where? no big deal either way – I know trac is enough of a handful without tracking tickets |
| [15:38:21] | at0m: | so both of you seem to work hard on the project. now just try getting along a bit :> |
| [15:38:55] | skd5aner: | at0m: iamlindoro is well aware of my efforts there, and has showed his appreciation to me for it |
| [15:39:32] | at0m: | oki :) |
| [15:40:04] | skd5aner: | but, I agree – all I want is a nice, friendly community here – I don't hold any of the keys to kingdom, and iamlindoro does, but I just wish I didn't feel like everything is alway final and can't ever be brought up again |
| [15:40:38] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: It would be a hell of a lot easier if *every* ticket wasn't argued as nauseum |
| [15:40:47] | skd5aner: | which to say, in all fairness, isn't always the case... there's plenty of times where questions are welcomed |
| [15:41:05] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I'm not arguing the ticket – just asking... |
| [15:41:12] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Tkae, for instance, the three tickets I closed last night-- I knew for a FACT that at least one would be reopened, argued, or otherwise complained about-- two were. |
| [15:41:33] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: So what was unclear in the ticket about my reasoning that you needed to hear it again? |
| [15:41:47] | iamlindoro: | "skd5aner: Why close tickets for incomplete themes – seems to me like it would be a useful way to track which screens still need created/fixed/updated for an incomplete theme" |
| [15:41:50] | skd5aner: | Just to be clear, I'm not arguing or complaining that the ticket was closed – I'm sorry you feel that I am :( |
| [15:41:53] | iamlindoro: | That answer to that was in the close message |
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| [15:42:13] | iamlindoro: | You asked why I closed it when it had already been explained, how is that different? |
| [15:42:51] | skd5aner: | I guess I just was wondering if an "incomplete theme" is considered broken... if so, would that be a bug? I guess incomplete != broken != bug |
| [15:43:11] | iamlindoro: | correct, incomplete is not broken, and thus is not a bug |
| [15:43:15] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: an incomplete theme is just one that falls back to the defaults |
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| [15:43:30] | wagnerrp: | if there are problems with how the defaults handle a certain page, then that could very well be a problem |
| [15:43:40] | wagnerrp: | but the fix would be to correct the issue in the default |
| [15:43:48] | wagnerrp: | not to 'finish' the theme you noticed the issue in |
| [15:44:06] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I'm sorry, again – it really bums me out that I just wanted to learn more about it and instead I feel like I get lashed for bringing it up :'( |
| [15:44:23] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: You don't feel like there could have been a better way to approach it? |
| [15:44:27] | skd5aner: | I don't know how/why my intentions seem to get interpreted any other way that inquisitive |
| [15:45:03] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Do I come into your house and stand over your shoulder while you cook, saying, "I don't see why you did that" |
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| [15:45:26] | iamlindoro: | There's a world of difference between "Hey iamlindoro, where would a better place to track theme completeness be |
| [15:45:28] | iamlindoro: | " |
| [15:45:29] | iamlindoro: | and |
| [15:45:34] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Why close tickets for incomplete themes – seems to me like it would be a useful way to track which screens still need created/fixed/updated for an incomplete theme |
| [15:45:55] | iamlindoro: | especially when the answer to that was in the close message you are complaining about |
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| [15:46:26] | Beirdo: | poor dead horse. |
| [15:46:37] | wagnerrp: | someone could set up an external tool to track which themes have which areas themed, similar to the recent one for the translation strings |
| [15:47:06] | Beirdo: | or even a non-external tool, as part of the theme chooser |
| [15:47:26] | Beirdo: | but we don't have that at this point. Maybe somewhere on the wiki might suffice? |
| [15:47:38] | simonckenyon: | iamlindoro: thanks for fixing that |
| [15:47:43] | iamlindoro: | Indeed, in fairly short order the theme chooser will indicate completeness |
| [15:47:45] | skd5aner: | listen, I've been around long enough that the regulars around here should know that I've never intentionally stired up trouble and have only tried to be friendly and helpful – why come down so hard on me... I'm sorry I worded it the way I did. |
| [15:47:46] | wagnerrp: | better to bake that into the themeinfo, rather than require the chooser to compute that at display time |
| [15:48:29] | iamlindoro: | simonckenyon: np, I'm not sure I totally agree re: the theme stack, but it beats messing with the default themes (and really, those themes *do* need to finish thos windows-- but it'll work for now |
| [15:48:50] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: My understanding is that it would be done at upload/add time |
| [15:48:57] | iamlindoro: | ie, as part of validation |
| [15:49:03] | iamlindoro: | so only a single computation |
| [15:49:08] | iamlindoro: | that can't be faked |
| [15:49:15] | Beirdo: | agreed. That would be the best time. Do once per version. |
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| [15:51:06] | ** skd5aner is bummed out ** | |
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| [15:56:25] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: I understand that your aim wasn't to cause trouble, and maybe you caught me at a bad moment-- but being one of the few willing to take the heat on low-value/low-reward tickets for the good of the project wears on you. Sometimes this project is like the Normandy landing-- every inch of sand feels like being disemboweled, and usually over *nothing* |
| [15:57:24] | timel0rd: | I have 2 tuners: HVR4000 and Nova S. I can only receive HD channels on the HVR4000 so I have created 2 sources, one missing the 2 HD channels. |
| [15:57:41] | timel0rd: | I can view all SD channels on both tuners ok |
| [15:58:17] | iamlindoro: | The point I was making is that when I made triage a priority a year or so ago, we have almost 700 tickets, and mostly because people were unwilling to risk the heartache of saying, "No, we don't want this insane feature/patch/we don't have the manpower to handle this." I was willing to take the heat because I believed it would catch on-- it has, to a certain extent, but we have not yet reformed our users because we keep proving that th |
| [15:58:17] | iamlindoro: | squeaky wheel gets the grease-- for better or for worse |
| [15:58:22] | timel0rd: | the problem is recording: the HD channels record on the HVR4000 and the SD channels only on the other card |
| [15:59:17] | timel0rd: | The HVR400 doesn't want to record SD channels. If 2 channels are aired at the same time I get a conflict even though the other tuner is idle |
| [15:59:44] | timel0rd: | any idea what i am doing wrong? |
| [15:59:49] | wagnerrp: | timel0rd: do you have a bunch of 'record only on this channel' rules? |
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| [16:00:21] | timel0rd: | no I usually say any time on any channel |
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| [16:00:47] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: Good to know! For now on when I find a bug I'm just gonna PM you constantly. :D |
| [16:00:49] | ** high-rez ducks ** | |
| [16:01:00] | wagnerrp: | if your rules are 'any channel', then you have different information coming off the two tuners |
| [16:01:06] | iamlindoro: | I'll miss high-rez when he's gone |
| [16:01:26] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: no problem, I appreciate the comment and understanding, and I appreciate what it is you're attempting to accomplish in regards to ticket management – I understand the benefits of that mentality, and honestly is the thought behind my question. |
| [16:01:26] | wagnerrp: | the rule matches the guide data on one, but not the other |
| [16:01:47] | high-rez: | :( |
| [16:02:02] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: just clarity around the mentality, so that I (and others) can be more aligned to the goals of what goes into trac and what doesn't |
| [16:02:24] | timel0rd: | if i look in the channels table i see 2 entries for the 2 sources. What fields does it use to choose the channel? |
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| [16:02:40] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: I know that I get bent out of shape about this stuff sometimes-- but it's just because it's such a high cost/low reward role to have-- Nobody else was or is going to take the heat, and there are moments where it just gets to be enough-- you caught me at one |
| [16:03:10] | justinh: | skd5aner: e.g. feature requests go in /dev/nu... uhhh I mean the wiki ;-) |
| [16:03:20] | timel0rd: | Is there a way to indicate that both channels are the same (or do I have to buy another HD card!) |
| [16:03:31] | justinh: | timel0rd: give em the same channum & callsign |
| [16:03:36] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: fair enough, I can chalk it off to bad timing... this time ;) |
| [16:03:56] | wagnerrp: | justinh: even were those different, it should still match the show itself on an 'any channel' rule |
| [16:03:57] | skd5aner: | and maybe improper wording on my part |
| [16:04:03] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: In short, if something is a task or incomplete, we really just have too few people to track them in trac and still have it be a useful tool-- if we had a horde of rabid themers waiting in the wings, sure-- but we just don't-- and with most of the themes < %50 done, it is an insanely slippery slope |
| [16:04:03] | wagnerrp: | timel0rd: where does your guide data come from? |
| [16:04:20] | skd5aner: | text still makes for terrible dialog |
| [16:04:32] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: To give some clarity, there are now over 100 themable windows in Myth-- and with ~10 themes < 50% done.... gulp |
| [16:04:40] | timel0rd: | I have set both cards to do EIT scans |
| [16:05:08] | justinh: | iamlindoro: well, certain people said they wanted more to be themeable.. ahem ;-) |
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| [16:05:30] | iamlindoro: | justinh: I think more themability is awesome-- and frankly I'm willing to theme the settings dialogs too |
| [16:05:41] | justinh: | heheh. glutton ;-) |
| [16:05:53] | iamlindoro: | justinh: I'm just not willing to turn our one and only ticket tracking system into an unusable mess because most themers don't finish the job |
| [16:06:00] | justinh: | yeah for all the work it involves it beats being stuck with Qt suckage |
| [16:06:57] | iamlindoro: | true that |
| [16:07:09] | justinh: | it' |
| [16:07:12] | justinh: | arghh |
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| [16:07:24] | justinh: | it's been doing my head in how many areas I've overlooked though |
| [16:07:40] | timel0rd: | justinh: channum and callsign are the same in the channels table |
| [16:08:57] | timel0rd: | where is the guide data stored? |
| [16:09:24] | wagnerrp: | program table |
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| [16:10:04] | justinh: | in an bunch of abacuses. the data munchkins move the beads around |
| [16:11:36] | timel0rd: | when i view a channel i can switch sources. this works ok but if i use the up down keys i don't get program info for the SD channels when i'm on the HD card even though the channel shows ok |
| [16:12:00] | justinh: | this is just one reason I never use live tv :) |
| [16:12:11] | justinh: | (except for tuner testing) |
| [16:12:27] | wagnerrp: | sounds like there /is/ no guide data for the SD shows on the HD card |
| [16:12:34] | timel0rd: | quite. and the adverts... |
| [16:12:50] | wagnerrp: | no guide data, meaning mythtv has no idea it can schedule stuff on those channels |
| [16:13:24] | simonckenyon: | iamlindoro: just looked at the fix – would never have found it in a million years |
| [16:13:30] | wagnerrp: | perhaps myth having some problem with the EIT scan |
| [16:13:37] | timel0rd: | if i connect both cards to the same source it seems to work ok until the SD card is switched to a HD channel then it locks up |
| [16:13:46] | wagnerrp: | not rerunning the scan on the duplicate channels, |
| [16:13:53] | timel0rd: | but i don't get any conflicts |
| [16:13:56] | wagnerrp: | but similarly not sharing the data for them for some reason |
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| [16:14:14] | iamlindoro: | simonckenyon: In fairness it could just as easily been "fixed" by defining a background in the default themes, but this is probably a cleaner solution until themers do their job ;) |
| [16:14:50] | wagnerrp: | timel0rd: the 'SD' card is USB 1.1 or something? |
| [16:15:23] | timel0rd: | no they are both pci |
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| [16:16:19] | timel0rd: | they both work ok on their own and will do EIT scans ok |
| [16:16:27] | ** wagnerrp cant understand why anyone would design a tuner card that wasnt able to handle any bitrate the broadcast fed it ** | |
| [16:16:37] | iamlindoro: | sounds like Cross source EIT is checked |
| [16:18:03] | timel0rd: | I will check that. Where is the option? |
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| [16:24:21] | wagnerrp: | kormoc... good buddy... |
| [16:25:28] | wagnerrp: | ... you have root on the web server? |
| [16:25:35] | kormoc: | yes, yes I do |
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| [16:25:53] | wagnerrp: | wondering if i could get this installed http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions |
| [16:26:00] | skd5aner: | kormoc: (or anyone ese) I had a quick Q for you... if you're around – how can you tell what the outlines mean in the guide in mythweb? Was having some difficulty last night in distinguishing what the lines were telling me |
| [16:26:24] | timel0rd: | thanks for your help. |
| [16:26:25] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: if you mouse over them, the popup usually explains what |
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| [16:26:47] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I thought so, but it wasn't working for me in chrome – but I didn't try another browser to see if that was the issue |
| [16:27:02] | wagnerrp: | green = will record, dashed = has recorded in the past |
| [16:27:02] | kormoc: | what theme? |
| [16:27:17] | kormoc: | ooh, those |
| [16:27:24] | kormoc: | Yeah, red is conflict |
| [16:28:02] | wagnerrp: | dots = matched a rule, but filtered |
| [16:28:21] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, yeah, I can get that setup for ya tonight |
| [16:28:36] | wagnerrp: | great, thanks |
| [16:29:04] | wagnerrp: | there have been a number of times ive wanted to do something, but it required one of those functions |
| [16:29:33] | skd5aner: | yea, I think the issue was I had one that was innactive, but couldn't distinguish it |
| [16:30:15] | wagnerrp: | was thinking of re-doing the wiki howto with something like this... http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Template . . . i_toc_Inline |
| [16:30:19] | skd5aner: | anyway – whatever issue I was having lats night, seems to be working fine now |
| [16:30:23] | wagnerrp: | but i think it would be a lot cleaner if it were collapsible |
| [16:30:44] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I was looking at the hide/show js the other day |
| [16:31:02] | skd5aner: | I'm assuming that's not what you wanted the ParserFunctions for though? |
| [16:33:11] | wagnerrp: | the reason parser functions is needed is because the collapsible list is implemented as a template, instead of as an extension of its own |
| [16:33:36] | wagnerrp: | so you have to supply the items as arguments to the template, which requires conditionals to decide what to display |
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| [16:34:17] | wagnerrp: | i remember there being some other template a while back that would have needed the parser functions to do what i wanted it to |
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| [16:55:17] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: I'm not sure if VAAPI and DXVA ought to be in the new features list, since neither is actually functional |
| [16:55:26] | iamlindoro: | (and neither will be for .24) |
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| [17:11:09] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: k, I'll take them off – I was debating, but thought they were partially functional |
| [17:11:28] | iamlindoro: | nope, only things in there for them are some foundation stuff, no actual acceleration |
| [17:13:08] | skd5aner: | good deal – I added the theme downloader in its place :) |
| [17:13:38] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: That's already there |
| [17:13:43] | skd5aner: | hrm.. |
| [17:13:47] | skd5aner: | must be blind |
| [17:14:20] | iamlindoro: | two lines above what you just added |
| [17:14:20] | skd5aner: | fixed |
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| [17:16:03] | skd5aner: | think I should add "Removed MythMovies" in the major changes section? |
| [17:16:30] | iamlindoro: | Don't have strong feelings either way- if you think so, then go for it |
| [17:16:53] | skd5aner: | eh – I changed my mind – it's not like it was extremely popular |
| [17:17:35] | skd5aner: | Just wanted to make sure the major changes/new additions sections were properly populated – I think you've done the majority of that section along the way iamlindoro |
| [17:17:48] | iamlindoro: | Tried to make sure the obvious stuff was there, yeah |
| [17:17:50] | skd5aner: | so, it should be good, just wasn't sure if it was complete at this point |
| [17:18:22] | skd5aner: | looks good to me, if anyone else wants to take a glance and see if anything glarring is missing |
| [17:19:25] | skd5aner: | For the most part, just some minor cleanup left to do, but the release notes are up to date, organized, and good to go – I'll just continue to populate the relavent changes through release |
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| [18:03:07] | Carl__: | Is there a way to remove left over encoders from the encoder status section of backend status in mythweb? |
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| [18:03:45] | Beirdo: | what is a "leftover encoder"? |
| [18:04:25] | Carl__: | one that I tried on a slave backend that I don't use any more |
| [18:05:31] | Beirdo: | you need to remove the encoder from setup. The easiest way is to run mythtv-setup again, tell it to delete all capture devices, and reconfigure the ones you still have |
| [18:05:36] | Carl__: | they show up as "currently not connected" |
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| [18:06:19] | Beirdo: | as far as I know, anyways |
| [18:06:25] | Carl__: | I'll have to check again but I think it only listed the one I was still using |
| [18:06:38] | Carl__: | mythtv-setup that is |
| [18:06:39] | wagnerrp: | yes, beirdo has the right process |
| [18:06:47] | skd5aner: | yup – delete all |
| [18:06:51] | skd5aner: | and set up all of them again |
| [18:06:57] | wagnerrp: | you will only see tuners that exist on your local system |
| [18:07:02] | Carl__: | ah....I didn't try the delete all yet |
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| [18:07:05] | wagnerrp: | but delete all deletes everything |
| [18:07:14] | skd5aner: | including inputs |
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| [18:07:30] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [18:07:41] | Carl__: | I'm guessing there's no individual delete then |
| [18:07:43] | Beirdo: | MiniPCIe SATA controller has been delivered |
| [18:08:03] | skd5aner: | not without manual intervention or reconecting your slave backend and deleting them in there |
| [18:08:26] | wagnerrp: | yes, you can individually delete tuners |
| [18:08:29] | Beirdo: | I'm not going to suggest people mess with their databases manually :) |
| [18:08:33] | wagnerrp: | or delete all on that machine |
| [18:08:39] | wagnerrp: | or delete all everywhere |
| [18:09:07] | Carl__: | I think I just disconnected the slave backend instead of deleting the input first |
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| [18:09:20] | Carl__: | that makes sense |
| [18:09:23] | skd5aner: | capture cards and inputs are different... but yes |
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| [18:09:27] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | A mini-pcie SATA? What for? |
| [18:09:48] | Beirdo: | to hook up the DVD-RW |
| [18:09:55] | Beirdo: | and because why not? |
| [18:10:10] | Beirdo: | I don't need wireless on my backend box |
| [18:10:16] | Carl__: | I'm assuming it's inputs that show up in mythweb |
| [18:10:21] | Beirdo: | and a CrystalHD has limited usefulness |
| [18:10:31] | Beirdo: | in my setup that is |
| [18:10:41] | skd5aner: | Carl__: yes |
| [18:11:16] | skd5aner: | well, I believe so... never had anything but a 1:1 card/input ratio |
| [18:11:17] | Beirdo: | right now I have a SATA->USB dongle strapped inside the case with the USB going to a motherboard connector |
| [18:11:26] | Beirdo: | hardly the right way, but it does work |
| [18:12:23] | skd5aner: | the "delete all" method is what sphery always recommends, because then there's no junk left in the database |
| [18:12:35] | Beirdo: | not none. |
| [18:12:47] | skd5aner: | well... |
| [18:12:50] | Beirdo: | I noticed it left behind an input group for my HD Homerun |
| [18:12:54] | Carl__: | ok...I'll give it a try....thanks |
| [18:12:56] | Beirdo: | but pretty much none :) |
| [18:14:14] | skd5aner: | sphery taught me a nice trick a few weeks ago, that card order and input order are unique |
| [18:14:40] | Beirdo: | so I have from 6–8pm today to get the backend taken apart, put in the MiniPCIe card, put in the fan grille... Then put in the null-modem adapters should they arrive as they should |
| [18:14:58] | skd5aner: | helps me with livetv priority versus what I want to use for recording |
| [18:14:58] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Skd5aner, isn't there always junk left in the database somewhere? It does get bloated over time |
| [18:15:05] | Beirdo: | Oh, I have reordered my inputs, etc by hand a few times, I would not suggest it to anyone |
| [18:15:24] | skd5aner: | GadgetWisdomGuru: sure – but delete all does literrally empty a few tables |
| [18:15:28] | Carl__: | All done in the database I'm guessing? |
| [18:15:49] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: yea, I just did the "delete all" method and re-added everything in a different order |
| [18:15:54] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: oh, I didn't delete all... I did delete all on this host... maybe that's why the input group got missed :) |
| [18:16:32] | Beirdo: | heh, I renumbered by hand again last night after adding the digital side of the HVR-2250 in addition to the analog side |
| [18:16:43] | skd5aner: | Card order: HDPVR (SBE), HDHR1, HD5000, HDHR2, PVR500–1, PVR250, PVR500–2 |
| [18:16:56] | Beirdo: | punted the HDPVR and analog HVR-2250 channels after the digital HVR-2250 channels |
| [18:17:08] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | That's a lot of cards. |
| [18:17:12] | skd5aner: | Input order: HDHR1, HD5000, HDHR2, HDPVR, PVR500–1, PVR250, PVR500–2 |
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| [18:17:31] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Are those two separate HDHRs or just the two separate tuners? |
| [18:17:54] | Beirdo: | my card order... HDHomerun (dual channel, multirec each) -> HVR-2250 digital (dual channel, multirec each) -> HDPVR -> HVR-2250 analog (dual channel) |
| [18:17:55] | skd5aner: | GadgetWisdomGuru: yea, I actually pulled out a second HD5000 a few weeks ago, and don't use my second PVR250, and I have another HDHR and HDPVR still sitting in their boxes |
| [18:18:21] | Beirdo: | the first 8 encoders are all ATSC OTA. HDPVR on is connected to DirecTV receivers |
| [18:18:30] | Beirdo: | grand total of 11 encoders :) |
| [18:18:47] | skd5aner: | GadgetWisdomGuru: all of those are 1 device – 1HDHR (2 tuners) and 1 PVR-500 (2 tuners) |
| [18:19:21] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | How do you find the time to watch all that content? |
| [18:19:23] | skd5aner: | I do NOT use multirec/virtual tuners for anything because it causes havoc when trying to watch livetv and I have enough physical tuners that it's rarely an issue |
| [18:19:30] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I have stuff from last year I haven't gotten to |
| [18:19:38] | Beirdo: | I don't do livetv :) |
| [18:19:45] | skd5aner: | GadgetWisdomGuru: good question... heh, although it's no overwhelming |
| [18:19:50] | skd5aner: | I just never want conflicts |
| [18:19:50] | Beirdo: | other than for testing |
| [18:20:04] | high-rez: | None of you dev types do livetv, which is why it always feel so neglected ;) |
| [18:20:09] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I only do LiveTV for testing |
| [18:20:27] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: I don't watch LiveTV but maybe once/twice a month... I usually turn it on when I'm doing chores around the house because I want the TV on but I don't want to have to pay attention to something I've recorded that I do want to watch |
| [18:20:33] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I do have a question about that you guys might know. |
| [18:20:46] | ** high-rez kicks beirdo ** | |
| [18:20:50] | Beirdo: | heh, if I want that, I usually just use OTA right on the TV |
| [18:20:55] | skd5aner: | also – when we have guests who want to just watch Live TV |
| [18:20:57] | Carl__: | Just tried the delete all and it worked.....thanks |
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| [18:21:09] | Beirdo: | high-rez: the whole point of MythTV is to *record* :) |
| [18:21:20] | high-rez: | Beirdo: And it does record – livetv :) |
| [18:21:20] | Beirdo: | LiveTV is a bonus, in my mind |
| [18:21:56] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: tell them... and I quote... "suck it up... this is better." |
| [18:21:57] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:22:07] | ** skd5aner is with high-rez, but avoids kicking anyone ** | |
| [18:22:10] | high-rez: | A lot of times we'll leave livetv going on in the background as noise. The wife will see that something interesting has been playing and will say "Can we watch that from the begning?" to which I say "No problem" and hit the record button :) |
| [18:22:25] | skd5aner: | ditto |
| [18:22:26] | Beirdo: | oh, it has advantages, true |
| [18:22:52] | skd5aner: | I actually want to watch live tv like I said above, for background noise, but also sometimes just to discover stuff that I would otherwise never have a reason to set a recording rule up for |
| [18:23:03] | skd5aner: | or know to do so |
| [18:23:05] | high-rez: | The always recording feature of myth is magical for those moments. We've seen stuff we would havenever though to look for / record on livetv that we were able to watch from the begning. |
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| [18:23:20] | skd5aner: | yup, that is really cool |
| [18:23:21] | high-rez: | For exmaple, we watch a small indy film the other day. Chick flick, for sure. |
| [18:23:46] | high-rez: | But as an indy film, no budget, I would have never thought to record it for a couple of reasons :) |
| [18:24:02] | high-rez: | But the wife loved it. Thanks to livetv. |
| [18:24:09] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: back to manual intervetion in the DB, I've spent way too much time dealing with manual channel editing via SQL queries after rescanning |
| [18:24:21] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:24:24] | skd5aner: | visibility, icons, and sometimes priority |
| [18:24:29] | skd5aner: | using joins |
| [18:24:32] | skd5aner: | with backup tables |
| [18:25:04] | skd5aner: | it's the only thing I would be scared of once there's an embedded DB |
| [18:25:15] | skd5aner: | it would take me forever to do it through a UI |
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| [18:25:35] | Beirdo: | those of us who are power users will be somewhat disadvantaged for a bit, I'm sure |
| [18:25:37] | skd5aner: | although the mythweb config page is quite useful for quick channel manipulation |
| [18:25:46] | high-rez: | I got rid of the icons all together. I found that they were lagging the heck out of livetv which channel scanning – though someone checked in a fix to that in trunk a week or two ago... |
| [18:25:46] | Beirdo: | but it SHOULD be better for the vast majority |
| [18:25:53] | skd5aner: | yup |
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| [18:26:21] | skd5aner: | we'll just ask wagnerrp to somehow expose all the db access we need via bindings ;) |
| [18:26:33] | high-rez: | Eek – you guys are like going to an embeded DB? |
| [18:26:41] | Beirdo: | 8–9pm... I have 4 HD recordings and 1 analog scheduled |
| [18:26:56] | Beirdo: | high-rez: that's the general plan |
| [18:27:06] | high-rez: | Which DB ? |
| [18:27:11] | Beirdo: | mysql |
| [18:27:13] | skd5aner: | MySQL is what I've heard |
| [18:27:15] | high-rez: | :( |
| [18:27:28] | high-rez: | If you're going embedded might as well move to a good platform :P |
| [18:27:33] | Beirdo: | no |
| [18:27:45] | Beirdo: | might as well stay with the good platform the code already uses |
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| [18:28:15] | high-rez: | :( |
| [18:28:24] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: yeah, embedded mysql |
| [18:28:51] | Beirdo: | I'm not a strong proponent for the plan, but I will support it as best I can. |
| [18:28:57] | skd5aner: | high-rez, what would you recommend? |
| [18:29:19] | Beirdo: | please no elephants |
| [18:29:24] | high-rez: | Firebird? |
| [18:29:30] | skd5aner: | opposed to mysql for an embedded db |
| [18:29:50] | skd5aner: | not that it matters, I don't have a dog in the fight – just curious |
| [18:30:04] | high-rez: | Me neither. And I don't think Vic is around. |
| [18:30:23] | high-rez: | A friend of mine did some performance tests on firebird a while ago – and was uber impressed. |
| [18:30:41] | Beirdo: | The recoding required to switch database architecture would be formidable |
| [18:30:51] | skd5aner: | I would imagine so |
| [18:31:10] | skd5aner: | given the Qt architecture |
| [18:31:16] | high-rez: | Also, the Elephan > * |
| [18:31:16] | wagnerrp: | you think so? is that just for optimization issues? or do we actually use a lot of mysql-specific things on top of the normal SQL? |
| [18:31:17] | tzanger: | that's why you should be using SQL95 queries. :-) |
| [18:31:19] | high-rez: | Elephant :) |
| [18:31:40] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Doesn't mysql allow you to get away with a lot of 'stuff' that you wouldn't get away with on more strict DBs ? |
| [18:32:04] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: thats possible, i dont know |
| [18:33:03] | tzanger: | high-rez: yep, that's true |
| [18:33:04] | tzanger: | but |
| [18:33:16] | tzanger: | all databases have their tricks |
| [18:33:23] | high-rez: | Showing my cultural ignorance, I'm going to say that I think mysql is just horse horse tiger tiger |
| [18:33:25] | tzanger: | I just never liked mysql playing fast and loose with the data |
| [18:34:03] | tzanger: | but I learned that to use myth there's a price :-) |
| [18:34:32] | high-rez: | tzanger: Aint that the truth! |
| [18:34:35] | tzanger: | I just dump the database every night in case. now I have to give mysql (and myth) credit. It's eaten by database once in over 3 years, and that wasn't the fault of either |
| [18:34:45] | high-rez: | I've had to tune the heck of mysql to get my myth setup right :/ |
| [18:34:51] | tzanger: | really? |
| [18:34:54] | tzanger: | I haven't tuned shit in mysql |
| [18:34:55] | high-rez: | Yeah |
| [18:35:03] | tzanger: | I'm running defaults IIRC |
| [18:35:05] | high-rez: | I had to cache the heck out of some of the tables. |
| [18:35:06] | wagnerrp: | watch the language |
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| [18:35:20] | tzanger: | that's a bad enough word to trip up a language filter? |
| [18:35:44] | skd5aner: | just think of this this way... |
| [18:35:51] | skd5aner: | this channel is rated PG :) |
| [18:35:52] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Pardon my fellow mysql antognists german! |
| [18:36:24] | high-rez: | :P |
| [18:36:37] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | But, about LiveTV for testing(which someone mentioned)...if I do a channel scan, I go into LiveTV to view the channels and delete the ones that don't work. But the channels that are incorrect cause LiveTV to crash and I can't get back into it without changing the current channel in the database. Is there a better way to do this? |
| [18:36:38] | tzanger: | that word being bad would mean there's a big "G" up in the corner of the screen, not PG :-) |
| [18:37:03] | skd5aner: | GadgetWisdomGuru: heh – no? |
| [18:37:27] | wagnerrp: | GadgetWisdomGuru: direct editing of the database for such purposes is never a good idea |
| [18:37:45] | wagnerrp: | if there is a need to do so, it simply exposes a deficiency of the existing channel editors |
| [18:37:53] | skd5aner: | GadgetWisdomGuru: I typically use the DB (not advised) OR the mythweb channel editor config page... most of the time, if QAM/OTA, there is data sent with the channels to know which ones are legit |
| [18:38:26] | tzanger: | wow I've never had a channel issue, and this thing's been connected to cable, satellite and now ATSC over the years |
| [18:38:34] | skd5aner: | GadgetWisdomGuru: but, you are right – if the tuner saves a bad channel on exit, that really can suck |
| [18:38:39] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Speaking of which, I coudl swear that mythweb's channel editor is broken. :( I tried setting a bunch of channels to commfree – and it would never take. |
| [18:38:48] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Skd5aner, this is QAM, and it always happens to save a bad channel on exit on my provider. |
| [18:38:55] | skd5aner: | it's like the tuner gets stuck to always tune to a bad channel and can't be used – but you can fix that in mythtv-setup if needed |
| [18:38:57] | iamlindoro: | Note that trunk, and therefore .24, will only save the starting channel once tune succeeds successfully |
| [18:39:11] | skd5aner: | that's great news iamlindoro |
| [18:39:11] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | My provider does not support clearQAM and sends no helpful data about what is what. |
| [18:39:13] | iamlindoro: | meaning you no longer need to edit starting channel, which was always accessible from mythtv-setup |
| [18:39:23] | iamlindoro: | (ie, you never needed to edit the DB) |
| [18:39:45] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Iamlindoro, I never edited the database. I just reran setup to change the channel for that tuner. |
| [18:39:59] | Shadow__X: | GadgetWisdomGuru: i either use the channel editor within myth-setup or use mythweb |
| [18:40:13] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: mythweb's channel editor is 'broken' |
| [18:40:20] | skd5aner: | I was never a big fan of mythtv-setup's channel editor or the livetv one |
| [18:40:26] | wagnerrp: | since it just uses basic HTML table POST to send changes |
| [18:40:26] | skd5aner: | but I have used both in the past |
| [18:40:31] | tzanger: | is there a version of myth in debian or ubuntu that's "sanctioned" by this channel? or is it recommended to build from source no matter what the distro? |
| [18:40:34] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: That's actually a /fantastic/ behavior by the way. Thats one of my fav parts of 0.24 :) |
| [18:40:36] | tzanger: | (talking strictly backend) |
| [18:40:38] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Shadow__X, how can you see if a channel is working in channel editor? |
| [18:40:44] | wagnerrp: | there is a limit to the number of fields that it is allowed to send |
| [18:41:02] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: so if you have too many channels, you exceed that limit, and it ceases to function |
| [18:41:14] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Yikes? Is there a potential for it to do harm ? |
| [18:41:22] | high-rez: | Or will it just not work ? |
| [18:41:22] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: wasn't that fixed in trunk? |
| [18:41:30] | Shadow__X: | GadgetWisdomGuru: within myth-setup scanner i normally tell it to only accept non encrypted channels and after that i really dont encounter broken channels |
| [18:41:39] | skd5aner: | also, it seems to work for me and I have hundreds of channels, do you know what the limit is? |
| [18:42:08] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Shadow__X, I do have it set to non-encrypted. |
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| [18:42:18] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | It incorrectly detects things like control lines and such |
| [18:42:26] | skd5aner: | tzanger: whatever the mythbuntu people have packaged is what is usually recommended – MythTV devs don't support any specific distro/version match |
| [18:42:28] | iamlindoro: | It doesn't incorrectly detect anything |
| [18:42:32] | mikeones: | I am using storage groups with mythvideo and I have the same path to Screenshots on the backend as I have on the frontend but the frontend says "Unable to find image file: etc...". Do I have to mount that Screenshots directory localy on the remote frontend? |
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| [18:42:42] | iamlindoro: | it can, hoewever, find VOD channels that then disappear (ie, are transient) |
| [18:43:05] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: i was thinking it was 1024 fields |
| [18:43:19] | wagnerrp: | and if you have several hundred channels, that should exceed it |
| [18:43:52] | wagnerrp: | mikeones: if youre using storage groups, you dont set the path on the frontend |
| [18:43:53] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: interesting – because it's always worked for me – at least everything I've ever changed with it has went through? |
| [18:44:06] | wagnerrp: | mikeones: and if you have set anything in mythfrontend, youre doing it wrong |
| [18:44:08] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I do remember seeing the ticket in trac saying it was broken though, which I was kind of surprised by |
| [18:44:42] | high-rez: | Is there a 0.24 branch now, btw ? |
| [18:45:12] | wagnerrp: | no, not yet |
| [18:46:17] | mikeones: | wagnerrp: I asked the same thing a few hours before and this is what I was told. Did I missunderstand the awnser? |
| [18:46:20] | mikeones: | 06:54 < justinh> mikeones: set em up as SGs in mythvideo setup too, and they'll all follow as well |
| [18:46:48] | mikeones: | ^^weather or not to mount locally |
| [18:47:01] | wagnerrp: | yes, if you are using storage groups, you set /everything/ up in mythtv-setup on the backend |
| [18:47:14] | wagnerrp: | videos and all artwork are stored in their specified storage groups |
| [18:47:27] | wagnerrp: | so if you set any folders for use with mythvideo in mythfrontend, that is not the correct place to do it |
| [18:47:35] | mikeones: | ok |
| [18:47:38] | wagnerrp: | with storage groups, all content can be streamed across mythprotocol |
| [18:47:48] | wagnerrp: | you can mount them locally, and mythtv will access them locally if found |
| [18:47:51] | wagnerrp: | but its not necessary |
| [18:48:24] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I love storage groups |
| [18:48:29] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I miss ISOs though. |
| [18:48:35] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I need to rip and recode some files. |
| [18:48:41] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | It is easier than setting up a local share |
| [18:48:45] | mikeones: | I removed all the paths in mythfronend and I was missing the images for each video. I will try it agin and see if they are streaming through mythprotocal. thanks |
| [18:48:46] | tzanger: | skd5aner: sounds good. I'm running a specific svn build from 2008 on an old slack 12.0 machine (upgraded from 10.0) |
| [18:49:02] | tzanger: | skd5aner: now that I have a uPnP capable tv I want to get that working better with myth :-) |
| [18:49:33] | wagnerrp: | GadgetWisdomGuru: ISOs are supported for storage groups |
| [18:49:55] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: hmmm, can't find the ticket related to mythweb's channel post issue, I'll have to ping kormoc about it to see if it was fixed or not – really curious now since I haven't seen the problem myself |
| [18:50:13] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Wagnerrp, it is? In 0.24? |
| [18:50:16] | skd5aner: | GadgetWisdomGuru: in 0.24 it will be |
| [18:50:32] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I don't run bleeding stuff unless I have a compelling reason. |
| [18:50:35] | skd5aner: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.24#Major_Changes |
| [18:50:55] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I missed it in the notes? |
| [18:51:06] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I just reread them yesterday |
| [18:51:09] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I keep missing things |
| [18:51:13] | ** GadgetWisdomGuru slaps himself ** | |
| [18:51:18] | skd5aner: | trunk will soon be 0.24, but probably ought to wait until it's cut or maybe at least the RCs |
| [18:51:34] | skd5aner: | GadgetWisdomGuru: that's the "killer" feature for me too... |
| [18:51:36] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I usually wait till my repository packages it. |
| [18:51:51] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Skd5aner, next thing I'm hoping for is music |
| [18:51:55] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | But I'm patient |
| [18:52:09] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I'm not developing, so I don't complain. I provide feedback |
| [18:52:15] | skd5aner: | GadgetWisdomGuru: all of my movies are in ISO, as I like to keep the DVD structure (i.e., menus) and have had to keep using NFS shares |
| [18:52:32] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I want to dump NFS. I find it administratively painful |
| [18:52:48] | skd5aner: | eh, I don't have a lot of problems with it |
| [18:52:57] | skd5aner: | but honestly, I'm using the same config I created like 4 years ago |
| [18:53:07] | skd5aner: | I'm sure it's still NFS3 |
| [18:53:16] | skd5aner: | but, if it works... |
| [18:53:38] | skd5aner: | if it broke tomorrow, it would be painful since I never really have to deal with it |
| [18:53:49] | skd5aner: | it was always painful to me when samba/cifs broke :P |
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| [18:54:07] | skd5aner: | because was it broke on the linux side or the windows side... not always fun |
| [18:55:18] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Skd5aner, I upgraded the OS and Fedora now defaults to 4. I had to tweak it a bit. |
| [18:55:42] | skd5aner: | I think ubuntu does too |
| [18:55:59] | skd5aner: | but the config is set to limit to v3 compat... I believe, I really don't recall at all though |
| [18:56:09] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | It is painful because I don't want to have to care about certain things and storage groups make me not have to care. |
| [18:56:20] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | It optimizes for streaming out of the box |
| [18:56:22] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Less work for me |
| [18:56:27] | skd5aner: | I just love the fact that I can put something in any SG and it'll work |
| [18:56:28] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I rebuild the backend every new release. |
| [18:56:33] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Skd5aner, exactly |
| [18:56:35] | skd5aner: | and add a drive, and it just works |
| [18:57:01] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Skd5aner, although I'd love to see someone ponder the organizational mounting hierarchy of multiple drives. |
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| [18:57:26] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | How people set theirs up mountpoint wise before bringing them into SGs |
| [18:57:42] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Note to self, create wiki page |
| [18:58:37] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I've edited a few, but only ever created one |
| [19:01:03] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | would people object to a 'Best Practices' type section where people can contribute such things? |
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| [19:09:33] | skd5aner: | GadgetWisdomGuru: sounds good to me, so long as people agree to the best practices that go out there |
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| [19:13:09] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Well, the idea is to discuss best practices |
| [19:13:32] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I was thinking of putting up a page with the questions and then letting the discussion page on that entry be the input |
| [19:13:34] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | For example... |
| [19:14:08] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | 1. How do you organize your file system before adding to storage groups? Where do you put your recording directories, what filesystems do you use, etc? |
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| [19:16:42] | Beirdo: | ugh |
| [19:16:57] | Beirdo: | that's likely to devolve into religious war really quickly |
| [19:17:13] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Why do we have to avoid any sort of discussion because of bad apples? |
| [19:17:18] | Beirdo: | but good luck with it :) |
| [19:18:10] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Beirdo, I know people will disagree. But I like to hear different perspectives. It is how I decide things. I get input |
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| [19:18:56] | Beirdo: | yup, it can be useful |
| [19:19:41] | skd5aner: | agreed – don't let it stop you from trying |
| [19:19:48] | skd5aner: | there can be multiple "right" answers |
| [19:20:03] | wagnerrp: | dont we already have a number of pages for similar purposes? |
| [19:20:33] | wagnerrp: | it may be worthwhile to fork their content into a new dedicated page if its expected to grow significantly |
| [19:21:01] | wagnerrp: | or maybe leave some brief information on it, and link to a more detailed discussion page |
| [19:23:18] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | That was what I was thinking |
| [19:23:34] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | the brief information and some considerations, and encourage people to add to the discussion page |
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| [19:30:18] | Wicked: | GadgetWisdomGuru, for me my recordings are on a ext3 drive...right now its just a 500gig drive...in the root of the drive i have a folder "MythTV" inside that i have subfolders one is "recordings" and a few others to hold video data |
| [19:30:39] | Wicked: | no real complaints from me on it...its simple and works. |
| [19:31:48] | Wicked: | i dont really archive my recordings. i mostly watch them and erase them...but i do keep some of them. |
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| [19:36:49] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Where is the MythTV folder in the overall system? |
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| [19:38:18] | Wicked: | by root of the drive i meant like this. "/OldHardDrive/Mythv/recordings" |
| [19:38:27] | Wicked: | the root of the hard drive..not the system :) |
| [19:38:54] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Oh |
| [19:39:12] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I have been putting my myth directories under /var/media |
| [19:39:22] | Wicked: | ah. you can use that if you want. |
| [19:39:28] | Wicked: | the location is not really a big deal |
| [19:39:29] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | For a long time |
| [19:39:31] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I know |
| [19:39:57] | Wicked: | i just find it easier for me if my hard drives are mounted in / and not in /mnt,/media, or other places. |
| [19:43:07] | wagnerrp: | eew... /var |
| [19:43:15] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Okay |
| [19:44:55] | wagnerrp: | my server is all hosed up... wonder if that means its time for a flush |
| [19:45:16] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Wagnerrp, where do you put your directories? |
| [19:45:39] | wagnerrp: | /srv/mythtv |
| [19:46:43] | wagnerrp: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| [19:47:12] | wagnerrp: | /var is for variable files, stuff that is expected to always change |
| [19:47:38] | wagnerrp: | log files, spools, temporary email storage, pid files, lock files |
| [19:47:49] | wagnerrp: | mythtv makes WORM data |
| [19:48:02] | wagnerrp: | you write once, and leave indefinitely |
| [19:48:13] | wagnerrp: | not variable |
| [19:51:30] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Fedora never uses srv |
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| [19:52:07] | wagnerrp: | what do they use? |
| [19:54:07] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | not sure |
| [19:54:14] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I will have to find out |
| [19:54:21] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Isn't default /var/lib/mythtv? |
| [19:55:02] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has no default |
| [19:55:24] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt pretend to know how you have your storage configured |
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| [19:56:07] | wagnerrp: | and with the volume of data its dealing with, it cant just arbitrarily put them somewhere like your home directory |
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| [19:57:24] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Yes |
| [19:57:48] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Anyway, I would consider /srv. |
| [19:57:59] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | It isn't usually used on Fedora, but... |
| [19:58:06] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | it's at least somewhere consistent |
| [19:58:13] | sid3windr: | why not /opt :p |
| [19:58:38] | Beirdo: | or /home/mythtv.... (not that I do it there) |
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| [19:58:55] | wagnerrp: | /opt is for software packages, not bulk data |
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| [19:59:34] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I'd never use home. |
| [19:59:40] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I reject your reality, and subsititute my own. |
| [19:59:52] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Wagnerrp, I'm not against best practices, but how popular is /srv? |
| [19:59:59] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I've read the document before |
| [20:00:24] | wagnerrp: | dont know, i know at least suse uses it, or at least our admin at work puts all such stuff in /srv |
| [20:00:43] | wagnerrp: | ive never actually run server software on linux myself |
| [20:00:55] | Beirdo: | /site is also something I've seen |
| [20:01:08] | Beirdo: | personally, I use /opt/mythtv |
| [20:01:25] | Beirdo: | with video1, video2 under there for SG mountpoints |
| [20:01:38] | wagnerrp: | im just accustomed to /var being small, and having half a dozen different partitions for different folders |
| [20:01:50] | Beirdo: | ummm, var is usually quite large |
| [20:02:00] | Beirdo: | unless you move /var/log somewhere else |
| [20:02:03] | wagnerrp: | these current setups where you have one massive partition for the whole system scare me |
| [20:02:11] | Beirdo: | agreed :) |
| [20:02:28] | Beirdo: | I put /var separate to contain logs |
| [20:02:38] | Beirdo: | and /var/lib/mysql separate to contain my db |
| [20:02:42] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: what do you consider 'large'? the only time i have /var/log exceeding 512MB is when i forget to turn on rotation and compression |
| [20:03:11] | Beirdo: | in a "production" machine, I always give /var/log space to grow to 40G or so |
| [20:03:17] | wagnerrp: | ouch |
| [20:03:19] | Beirdo: | one runaway log is all you need |
| [20:03:35] | Beirdo: | I don't want to say "don't log" :) |
| [20:03:52] | Beirdo: | logs can often be life or death for debugging stuff |
| [20:04:05] | Beirdo: | that said, my mythtv logs live in /opt/mythtv/logs |
| [20:04:06] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:04:15] | Beirdo: | I should put it in /var/log/mythtv |
| [20:04:17] | Beirdo: | duh |
| [20:05:09] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I put my var separate. And /var/media is merely a set of mountpoints for the mythtv drives, which are separate from the OS and log drives |
| [20:05:28] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | And my logs are on a different physical drive than the OS. |
| [20:05:28] | Beirdo: | there are a million ways to do it |
| [20:05:32] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | the OS gets a dedicated drive |
| [20:05:43] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | The logs share space on the drive with the music and screenshots and such |
| [20:05:48] | wagnerrp: | gentoo puts its compile sandbox in /var/tmp, which has always bothered me |
| [20:05:59] | wagnerrp: | ive filled up a 4GB partition trying to build something before |
| [20:06:05] | Beirdo: | easily |
| [20:06:23] | Beirdo: | and /var/tmp is one of those that COULD be mounted in RAM as a tmpfs |
| [20:07:06] | wagnerrp: | no, /var/tmp is supposed to be persistent across reboots |
| [20:07:20] | Beirdo: | says who? |
| [20:07:41] | wagnerrp: | FHS |
| [20:07:46] | Beirdo: | /var/tmp, /tmp, /usr/tmp all are prime candidates for tmpfs |
| [20:07:53] | wagnerrp: | but then a number of distros just symlink /tmp and /var/tmp |
| [20:07:59] | Beirdo: | and in many Solaris installs they ARE all tmpfs |
| [20:08:18] | Beirdo: | and /var/run as well |
| [20:08:56] | Beirdo: | I have not drunk the FHS koolaid, and likely never will |
| [20:09:25] | wagnerrp: | yeah, well they further my agenda of a small /var... :) |
| [20:09:38] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:09:47] | Beirdo: | not if you have /var/log on a noisy system :) |
| [20:09:48] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:10:02] | Beirdo: | or /var/spool on a news or mail system |
| [20:10:19] | Beirdo: | (granted, both of those situations beg for a separate FS) |
| [20:10:42] | wagnerrp: | /var/spool is just a temporary storage for inbound mail before they get processed and stored elsewhere |
| [20:11:14] | Beirdo: | yes, and on a mail system, /var/spool/mqueue (or the equivalent) can get huge |
| [20:11:35] | Beirdo: | and /var/spool/mail is only deprecated as they say so :0 |
| [20:12:00] | Beirdo: | although, /var/mail is a lot more sensible |
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| [20:26:09] | skd5aner: | eh, I use /mythtv/* |
| [20:26:15] | skd5aner: | I'm sure that's not in the FSH |
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| [20:26:17] | skd5aner: | :) |
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| [20:29:08] | wagnerrp: | well like i explained, i dont really care about the FHS, i just dont like people stuffing everything and their sex midget in /var |
| [20:29:34] | ** AndyCap keeps the stuff in /home cause he's lazy ** | |
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| [20:30:03] | Beirdo: | but sex midgets belong in /var/tmp |
| [20:30:14] | Beirdo: | temporary data that survives reboot ;) |
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| [20:32:31] | Beirdo: | well, a case can be made for /home/mythtv |
| [20:32:58] | Beirdo: | if you run mythtv as the user mythtv, having the user's data there *should* be kosher, one would think |
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| [20:53:41] | Beirdo: | oh BAH |
| [20:53:50] | Beirdo: | my null modems show up tomorrow |
| [20:53:56] | Beirdo: | heh. oops |
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| [20:55:05] | Beirdo: | I love how "OnTrac Overnight for CA, NV, AZ" ordered on Saturday = Wednesday delivery in WA |
| [20:55:19] | Beirdo: | scamtastic shipping companies |
| [20:57:01] | Beirdo: | speaking of scams... |
| [20:57:24] | Beirdo: | hah, the MIR is still "not recieved" |
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| [20:58:22] | Beirdo: | funny. first class air mail doesn't take that long. |
| [21:03:02] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Beirdo, MIRs are scams. |
| [21:03:08] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Of course, I have one on my desk, so... |
| [21:03:20] | Beirdo: | yup, they certainly are |
| [21:03:31] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I hate prepaid debit cards |
| [21:03:33] | Beirdo: | but I figured for an extra $0.44, not much to be lost |
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| [21:40:58] | skd5aner: | sweet, Antec sent me a better PSU for my RMA of my 4 year old one |
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| [21:47:55] | RagingMind: | are you supposed to be able to use xvmc with nvidia in mythtv 0.23? |
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| [22:12:42] | kormoc: | skd5aner, what channel post issue? |
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| [22:50:07] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: the issue with the mythweb channel editor |
| [22:50:21] | wagnerrp: | where if you had too many channels, there were too many fields returned in the POST |
| [22:50:30] | wagnerrp: | and they wouldnt update |
| [22:51:12] | RagingMind: | anyone familiar with xvmc and nvidia in Mythtv 0.23.1? |
| [22:51:39] | wagnerrp: | avoid |
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| [22:54:04] | kormoc: | ahh |
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| [22:55:22] | wagnerrp: | RagingMind: xvmc has not been supported by any nvidia card produced in the last 3–4 years |
| [22:55:28] | RagingMind: | it used to work and all my nvidia cards are too old for vdpau |
| [22:55:33] | wagnerrp: | nor has it been supported in their drivers since the 173 series |
| [22:55:39] | wagnerrp: | nor should you attempt to use it |
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| [22:56:00] | wagnerrp: | if your CPU is so old such that you need XvMC to play back your content, you would be better off just upgrading |
| [22:56:06] | RagingMind: | this is a GeForce 6200 that I used to use with Myth and XvMC |
| [22:56:20] | RagingMind: | well if I had money that might be an option |
| [22:56:23] | wagnerrp: | yes, XvMC is only good for mpeg2 content |
| [22:56:37] | wagnerrp: | and any system made in the last 5 years is plenty powerful to play such content in software |
| [22:56:38] | RagingMind: | I use and MPEG2 encoder card |
| [22:56:48] | RagingMind: | and the system is from about 2001ish |
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| [22:56:51] | wagnerrp: | an mpeg encoder card, such as a PVR-150? |
| [22:57:01] | RagingMind: | pvr250 |
| [22:57:17] | wagnerrp: | any computer from 2001 should not have problems playing the 4–6mbps content coming from a PVR-250 |
| [22:57:19] | Beirdo: | what's your CPU? |
| [22:57:29] | RagingMind: | 1.26 Ghz Pentiul 3 |
| [22:57:59] | wagnerrp: | ive played such content on my old P3 800MHz frontend |
| [22:58:01] | RagingMind: | wagnerrp, it has issues playing content and doing anything else at the same time |
| [22:58:02] | Beirdo: | oy. That's a bit on the slow side, but I'd expect it should work |
| [22:58:04] | wagnerrp: | your 1.26 should have no problems |
| [22:59:13] | RagingMind: | I already have it setup and working without xvmc, but it's not ideal. it used to work with xvmc and I didn't have any of the hiccups so I wanted to set it that way again |
| [22:59:56] | wagnerrp: | it should continue to work just the same with 0.23.1 |
| [23:00:03] | wagnerrp: | the playback code is all nearly the same |
| [23:00:48] | RagingMind: | I don't remember what they were but I remember that there were special nvidia xvmc options that I don't see anymore |
| [23:00:58] | RagingMind: | but I can't remember if that was just OSD |
| [23:01:11] | wagnerrp: | when you upgraded, did you upgrade your nvidia drivers as well? |
| [23:01:57] | RagingMind: | oh hmm... actually I just realized that the 6200 is in my desktop machine |
| [23:02:16] | RagingMind: | my mythbox has the 5200 in it so I'm stuck on the 173.x drivers |
| [23:02:36] | wagnerrp: | thats good, as that was the last driver series to support xvmc |
| [23:02:57] | RagingMind: | I didn't upgrade mythtv directly... I stopped using it for about a year while I tried xbmc |
| [23:03:15] | RagingMind: | I reinstalled it a couple weeks ago and have been working out the kinks since then |
| [23:03:55] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt be surprised if XBMC didnt even run on that system anymore |
| [23:04:10] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if a 5200 has enough opengl performance to run their UI |
| [23:04:15] | RagingMind: | it does |
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| [23:04:50] | RagingMind: | I gave up on xbmc for other reasons |
| [23:05:15] | Beirdo: | isn't xvmc on the "to be removed for 0.25" list? Like at the top of it? |
| [23:06:20] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [23:06:23] | RagingMind: | Beirdo, I'd still have the rest of 0.23 and 0.24 to use my current system if that's the case |
| [23:06:48] | wagnerrp: | markk actually wanted to drop it for 0.24 |
| [23:06:52] | Beirdo: | yeah, you'd be using 0.24 for a while |
| [23:06:58] | Beirdo: | yeah, too late. |
| [23:07:04] | wagnerrp: | he didnt want to have to rewrite all the OSD and playback code to support it |
| [23:07:14] | RagingMind: | by then hopefully I'll have a card that can do vaapi |
| [23:07:21] | Beirdo: | no |
| [23:07:26] | Beirdo: | vdpau |
| [23:07:31] | russell5: | can someone help me with mythweb? i just get a white page nothing loads. it works if i use the mythbuntu package but if i follow the mythweb install intructions i just get a white page |
| [23:07:43] | Beirdo: | vaapi isn't production-ready in mythtv at this time |
| [23:08:01] | RagingMind: | hopefully it'll be useable by 0.25 |
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| [23:08:21] | RagingMind: | cause I'm not gonna bother spending money on another nvidia card, I've had too many problems with them |
| [23:08:25] | Beirdo: | why would you go out to buy a card and not get one that will do VDPAU? |
| [23:08:31] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:08:48] | Beirdo: | well enjoy your mostly-unsupported-in-myth experience :) |
| [23:08:54] | RagingMind: | I had a whole string of cards that failed and then one ate my motherboard |
| [23:09:19] | Beirdo: | not to be mean... but you sure it's not PEBCAK? |
| [23:09:32] | RagingMind: | quite sure |
| [23:09:54] | RagingMind: | I don't even game with my systems, I just install debian stable and use gnome |
| [23:10:11] | RagingMind: | if that kills a video card then it's not one I'd spend money on |
| [23:10:20] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:10:27] | Beirdo: | more likely your power... or something |
| [23:10:36] | wagnerrp: | i cant say ive ever killed a video card |
| [23:10:51] | wagnerrp: | ive lost fans which made them unusable without replacing the fan |
| [23:10:53] | Beirdo: | it is difficult to kill one, but not impossible |
| [23:11:02] | wagnerrp: | but the cards were always fine |
| [23:11:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah, id agree with bad power |
| [23:11:18] | Beirdo: | yeah, I've had them die when the on-card fan failed |
| [23:11:26] | Beirdo: | magic smoke was released |
| [23:11:40] | Beirdo: | and with nasty third-world power |
| [23:11:49] | RagingMind: | I replaced the power supply a few times and for a while now I've had a UPS that filters the power |
| [23:12:00] | Beirdo: | not all UPS filter. |
| [23:12:07] | Beirdo: | the one I had certainly didn't |
| [23:12:08] | wagnerrp: | you have to buy a very expensive UPS before you get one that filters |
| [23:12:09] | RagingMind: | no... but mine does |
| [23:12:30] | wagnerrp: | and ones that claim things like 'automatic voltage regulation' dont do filtering |
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| [23:12:41] | wagnerrp: | they just kick in if the voltage gets more than ~10% off spec |
| [23:12:46] | Twiggy2cents: | hey I have tried to set up a 3rd drive in storage groups and I cant for the life of me get it to recognize the 3rd drive. I have default set to 2nd drive and 3rd drive, I also have a special group and it is just the 3rd drive. Yet when I look at the status page I dont see the #3 drive |
| [23:12:49] | Beirdo: | well, you do what you like, but VDPAU will likely remain the best-supported option |
| [23:12:55] | RagingMind: | it was purchased by the local LUG for their servers, they upgraded a bunch of stuff and I got the UPS for free |
| [23:13:08] | Beirdo: | Twiggy2cents: drive 2 and 3 are the same size, aren't they? |
| [23:13:11] | Twiggy2cents: | Realease 23 fixes is my version btw |
| [23:13:17] | Twiggy2cents: | no they are different |
| [23:13:38] | Beirdo: | well, if they appear to have the same footprint, the code may assume they are one drive |
| [23:14:00] | Twiggy2cents: | one is 250gb the other is 320gb |
| [23:14:10] | Twiggy2cents: | I would think that would be a diff footprint |
| [23:14:31] | Beirdo: | one would think |
| [23:14:46] | Beirdo: | you did restart the backend after adding the last drive, right? |
| [23:15:28] | Twiggy2cents: | not not really. Doesnt mythtv-setup kill the backend then it restarts afterwards? |
| [23:15:33] | Beirdo: | no. |
| [23:16:08] | Beirdo: | it prompts if you want to stop the backend (at least in trunk) |
| [23:16:14] | Beirdo: | but it doesn't start it up |
| [23:16:21] | Twiggy2cents: | oh hang on, let me check now |
| [23:16:23] | Beirdo: | you need to do that yourself |
| [23:17:52] | Twiggy2cents: | nope even after restart it only shows mythdrive #1 as recordings at 250 Gb and mythdrive #2 at 80 Gb, but no Mythdrive #3 |
| [23:18:15] | Twiggy2cents: | umm could it be permissisons? |
| [23:18:29] | Beirdo: | possibly |
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| [23:19:35] | Twiggy2cents: | woo |
| [23:19:40] | Twiggy2cents: | That was it :) |
| [23:19:51] | Twiggy2cents: | It was set up for the owner only |
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| [23:29:29] | skd5aner: | kormoc: yea, the issue wagnerrp was talking about – that still an issue? I couldn't find a ticket for it when searching trac |
| [23:30:08] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [23:30:17] | kormoc: | it's 'fixed' by the post size setting in php.ini |
| [23:30:22] | kormoc: | it's not really something we can control |
| [23:31:26] | Twiggy2cents: | One more question. I try and delete a two different series and when I delete them they disappear then I open the frontend back up and they are back. All the other episodes deleted. Why wont these? |
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| [23:35:01] | wagnerrp: | isnt that the delete issue 0.23.1 was supposed to fix? |
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| [23:36:18] | Twiggy2cents: | I have 0.23.1-fixes and still have this issue |
| [23:36:31] | Twiggy2cents: | I had it on 0.23-fixes also |
| [23:36:55] | skd5aner: | kormoc: do you know what the default post size is usually in the php.ini file? |
| [23:38:10] | skd5aner: | I remember I boosted mine up a long time ago for a site I was hosting so I could upload large RAW pictures, it's set to 8M on mine, which is probably why I never encounter an issue even though I have 774 rows in my channels table |
| [23:38:37] | skd5aner: | I think it might have defaulted to 2M? |
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| [23:40:46] | skd5aner: | hmmm, nope – default is 8MB – seems to me like 8MB would be plenty large for nearly everyone I would think |
| [23:41:47] | skd5aner: | You'd have to have a LOT of channels to be sending over 8MB of data in a single post |
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| [23:44:53] | skd5aner: | !seen sphery |
| [23:44:53] | MythLogBot: | sphery is here and has been idle for 1 day 19 hours 10 minutes 1 second |
| [23:45:02] | skd5aner: | new world record! |
| [23:48:44] | kormoc: | skd5aner, yeah, which is why it hasn't really been a priority |
| [23:50:46] | knightr: | kormoc: Hi! Any idea what could cause that: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KHBDHb9c ? |
| [23:50:59] | skd5aner: | kormoc: yea, I thought so – but some folks were asking for advice on channel editing and there was a bit of confusion if it was an issue to use the mythweb interface with a significant channel lineup or not |
| [23:51:30] | skd5aner: | since I had 700+ channels and never had an issue, I wsn't sure if it was something configured on my end (like the php.ini) that solved it or if it is just extremely rare |
| [23:52:42] | kormoc: | knightr, you have no channels setup? |
| [23:53:10] | knightr: | kormoc: nope, they are there and the frontend work... |
| [23:54:09] | knightr: | kormoc, some screens work, others don't... |
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| [23:55:39] | knightr: | kormoc, I got that problem after I upgraded packages... |
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| [23:57:33] | kormoc: | knightr, I don't know why it thinks you don't have any channels, but that's the problem |
| [23:57:40] | knightr: | Everythng works except searches and listings as far as I can tell... |
| [23:57:41] | kormoc: | I'll have to look into it |
| [23:59:09] | knightr: | kormoc, hmm weird... I guess I could try recreating them... |
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