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| [01:14:52] | abbronzato: | someone can change the pci.ids database? |
| [01:15:04] | abbronzato: | (hello) |
| [01:15:08] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [01:15:43] | abbronzato: | hello wagnerrp, unlucky the lspci manteiner does not answer and no change at all to the database |
| [01:16:02] | Azelphur: | what does that have to do with mythtv o.O |
| [01:16:05] | wagnerrp: | we dont do hardware |
| [01:16:14] | abbronzato: | do you remeber , maybe 2 days ago, about a not supported card, recognized as a not existen one |
| [01:16:25] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats not our responsibility |
| [01:16:30] | wagnerrp: | we dont maintain that stuff here |
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| [01:16:42] | abbronzato: | i'm asking |
| [01:16:48] | wagnerrp: | and from what i gathered, the linuxtv people dont maintain that either |
| [01:16:54] | wagnerrp: | i dont know who you would have to talk to |
| [01:16:59] | abbronzato: | sorry :( this is the nearest site qhere i thinked to ask |
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| [01:17:37] | wagnerrp: | thats probably a GNU issue |
| [01:17:54] | abbronzato: | yes, for sure, that is te base for all the rest, ok , |
| [01:18:13] | wagnerrp: | assuming lspci is part of the gnu toolkit |
| [01:18:13] | abbronzato: | sorry |
| [01:18:16] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if it is |
| [01:18:28] | Beirdo: | [73091.020809] tveeprom 0–0000: Hauppauge model 88061, rev C3F2, serial# (censored) |
| [01:18:31] | Beirdo: | YAY |
| [01:18:48] | wagnerrp: | abbronzato: http://pci-ids.ucw.cz/ |
| [01:19:05] | Beirdo: | stoth is my hero |
| [01:19:06] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [01:19:34] | abbronzato: | Beirdo, ? |
| [01:19:41] | abbronzato: | wagnerrp, i know it |
| [01:19:45] | wagnerrp: | abbronzato: unrelated to the discussion |
| [01:20:20] | wagnerrp: | anyway, this is all completely irrelevant, as no one has started working on your capture card, so being recognized properly in lspci isnt going to make a bit of difference |
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| [01:23:38] | abbronzato: | wagnerrp, help a bit with a search... actually is recognized as a card with some results: from a working state to a 'brick' one, for this i tried to make something |
| [01:24:01] | abbronzato: | and after all you as well say that that one does not exist |
| [01:24:26] | wagnerrp: | HVR-4400 wasnt it? |
| [01:24:32] | abbronzato: | y |
| [01:25:22] | abbronzato: | but looking with the lspci answer the google make crazy |
| [01:26:21] | wagnerrp: | heh... nvidia still supports the 6-series cards in their most recent drivers |
| [01:26:56] | Beirdo: | didn't we go over this just a few days ago, abbronzato? |
| [01:27:53] | abbronzato: | here begin the lspci bad result, and i tried to ask here if someone can modify coreectly that database, all this |
| [01:28:30] | Beirdo: | right. But even if the lspci lists it correctly, it is still not supported, there is no driver in Linux |
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| [01:28:51] | darkdrgn2k3: | can any one recommand nice small cases for a mythtv puter |
| [01:28:56] | wagnerrp: | so, any such efforts would be futile anyway |
| [01:29:02] | abbronzato: | yes, but maybe help someone else with a search, the info are most clear.. etcetc |
| [01:29:05] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: not futile :) |
| [01:29:08] | wagnerrp: | darkdrgn2k3: frontend? backend? combined? |
| [01:29:23] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: frontend or combined |
| [01:29:29] | Beirdo: | heh, having correct lspci entry would keep the next person from a futile search for drivers |
| [01:29:35] | Beirdo: | or help anyways |
| [01:30:01] | wagnerrp: | darkdrgn2k3: which one? it makes a big difference |
| [01:30:15] | abbronzato: | yes, is enough give a look in the web about the reported ls... card |
| [01:30:26] | abbronzato: | many useless try ;) |
| [01:30:32] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: im looking for both :-P actually but lets say combined |
| [01:30:32] | wagnerrp: | combined would have to hold hard drives, and tuner cards, and maybe other stuff |
| [01:30:49] | wagnerrp: | how are you liking that case beirdo? |
| [01:31:04] | abbronzato: | ok, i left , bye, thanks the same |
| [01:31:04] | Beirdo: | I like it... it's a bit tight, but pretty snazzy |
| [01:31:05] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: oh rght.. ok .. lets for FE then.. |
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| [01:31:17] | Beirdo: | one PCIe slot |
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| [01:31:38] | Beirdo: | the case has two backplates, but 1 slot is all you'll get on the mobo |
| [01:31:38] | wagnerrp: | well if hes going FE only, he doesnt need something that 'big' |
| [01:31:44] | Beirdo: | true |
| [01:31:45] | Beirdo: | one sec |
| [01:32:04] | darkdrgn2k3: | Beirdo: gimme the biger one to plz... i wanna eventualy replace my combined |
| [01:32:43] | Beirdo: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119021 |
| [01:32:51] | Beirdo: | that's what I plan to use for my frontend |
| [01:33:03] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112265 is the one he just bought for his backend |
| [01:33:14] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [01:33:14] | darkdrgn2k3: | nice be.. |
| [01:33:23] | darkdrgn2k3: | i have a cube for my combined right now |
| [01:33:43] | Beirdo: | and as of about half an hour ago... HVR-2250 is up :) |
| [01:34:03] | darkdrgn2k3: | ...frankly i donno why i get a tuner |
| [01:34:07] | darkdrgn2k3: | not like i can tune to anything :( |
| [01:34:09] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: thats not a full size 5.25" bay is it? |
| [01:34:17] | Beirdo: | yes it is |
| [01:34:25] | wagnerrp: | really... |
| [01:34:32] | Beirdo: | it has a flappy door that opens when the DVD drive hits it |
| [01:34:44] | darkdrgn2k3: | id love to get something liek this: |
| [01:34:45] | darkdrgn2k3: | http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Search . . . p;CatId=3429 |
| [01:34:58] | wagnerrp: | and the dimensions are great |
| [01:35:14] | wagnerrp: | full size, not a slim? youre certain? |
| [01:35:25] | Beirdo: | on which? |
| [01:35:29] | Beirdo: | frontend or backend? |
| [01:35:34] | wagnerrp: | foxconn barebones |
| [01:35:42] | Beirdo: | oooh |
| [01:35:47] | Beirdo: | I was thinking the wrong one |
| [01:35:48] | Beirdo: | one sec |
| [01:36:18] | Beirdo: | pretty sure it's fullsize |
| [01:36:32] | darkdrgn2k3: | oooo |
| [01:36:32] | darkdrgn2k3: | http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Search . . . p;CatId=3429 |
| [01:36:35] | wagnerrp: | that would be fantastic |
| [01:36:44] | Beirdo: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999192 |
| [01:36:52] | Beirdo: | I kinda plan to put THAT in it :) |
| [01:37:17] | Beirdo: | and an E5400 processor |
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| [01:37:58] | Beirdo: | GT220 low profile for video... 2G RAM and dual 2.5" drives in the internal 3.5" bay |
| [01:38:07] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817990001 |
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| [01:38:18] | wagnerrp: | I kinda plan to put THAT in it |
| [01:38:30] | Beirdo: | in a frontend box? |
| [01:38:34] | Beirdo: | but why? |
| [01:38:42] | wagnerrp: | detached frontend |
| [01:38:46] | wagnerrp: | or tunerless combo |
| [01:38:50] | wagnerrp: | whichever you prefer |
| [01:38:58] | Beirdo: | heh, OK :) |
| [01:39:15] | wagnerrp: | have a suspended 2.5" drive in there for the system |
| [01:39:21] | Beirdo: | ah |
| [01:39:38] | wagnerrp: | have a removable drive that i can carry back and forth, and chuck whatever movies and recordings i want on it |
| [01:39:40] | Beirdo: | yeah the backend box makes me happy |
| [01:40:21] | wagnerrp: | and... is that svideo or spdif on the back? |
| [01:40:45] | Beirdo: | spdif |
| [01:40:47] | wagnerrp: | spdif |
| [01:40:53] | wagnerrp: | thats a shame... would have to get a video card |
| [01:40:55] | Beirdo: | according to newegg at least |
| [01:40:59] | Beirdo: | there is video |
| [01:41:03] | Beirdo: | VGA |
| [01:41:12] | wagnerrp: | yeah, either a video card or a scan converter |
| [01:41:13] | Beirdo: | Intel GMA x4500 |
| [01:41:18] | wagnerrp: | i figure a video card would be cheaper |
| [01:41:23] | Beirdo: | yeah :) |
| [01:41:29] | Beirdo: | and more useful for myth |
| [01:42:00] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i dont think the 4500 supports VAAPI |
| [01:42:03] | wagnerrp: | only the 4500HD |
| [01:42:35] | Beirdo: | I have my eye on it for size... and capability of using Core2 processors |
| [01:43:02] | Beirdo: | although I plan on dumbing down to a slightly cheaper processor |
| [01:43:10] | Beirdo: | it CAN do Core2 Quad, apparently |
| [01:43:24] | Beirdo: | I plan on buying in a couple weeks |
| [01:43:37] | Beirdo: | got more than enough to mess with with the new backend first :) |
| [01:44:20] | wagnerrp: | i had been considering one of these... http://silverstonetek.com/products/p_spec.php . . . amp;area=usa |
| [01:44:38] | Beirdo: | the one downside is the 1 x DDR2 slot |
| [01:44:51] | wagnerrp: | its surprisingly hard to find a case that takes full size drives and is <14" deep |
| [01:45:44] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [01:46:14] | Beirdo: | well, I should head home |
| [01:46:22] | Beirdo: | got a fun weekend ahead of me :) |
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| [02:18:27] | mythluvah: | Does someone know how to add the correct repository for Ubuntu 10.04 so that updates actually occur? |
| [02:18:48] | tgm4883: | mythluvah, you mean auto-builds? |
| [02:19:23] | mythluvah: | well when I do an apt-get upgrade myth* or mythtv, it says I'm up to date. When I go to SVN, I'm clearly on an old build (21458) |
| [02:19:52] | tgm4883: | mythluvah, sec |
| [02:20:24] | tgm4883: | ah, you are on the shipped version |
| [02:20:31] | tgm4883: | you need to add the mythbuntu-repos package http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
| [02:20:59] | mythluvah: | so I do an apt-get for 'mythbuntu-repos' ? |
| [02:21:04] | tgm4883: | no |
| [02:21:10] | tgm4883: | you go to that web page and you read |
| [02:21:59] | mythluvah: | But I'm not running mythbuntu.. Does it matter? |
| [02:22:07] | tgm4883: | doesn't matter |
| [02:22:27] | tgm4883: | Ubuntu and Mythbuntu are kinda the same |
| [02:22:36] | tgm4883: | in respect to packages anyway |
| [02:22:56] | mythluvah: | I see. So I should cancel the svn build I'm doing? Or just leave it for now? |
| [02:23:30] | tgm4883: | well it's not necessary since the packages are precompiled for you by activating auto-builds |
| [02:23:44] | tgm4883: | but if you are in to compiling keep going I guess |
| [02:24:20] | mythluvah: | not really, but wasn't sure if there would be some weird conflict. :) I'll do the make install and see what happens.. If all goes well, I'll use the auto-builds for future fixes.. |
| [02:24:56] | mythluvah: | Thanks for the help! |
| [02:25:14] | tgm4883: | IIRC, you should look into checkinstall so you can easily remove it |
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| [03:08:24] | Beirdo: | la la la |
| [03:09:52] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: thats how we have the compute nodes at work set up |
| [03:09:52] | Beirdo: | why does an HVR-2250 have a MAC address? |
| [03:10:08] | wagnerrp: | a read only root NFS |
| [03:10:34] | wagnerrp: | memory disks for tmp and var, and nfs mount for home |
| [03:10:45] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: interactive stuff |
| [03:10:58] | Beirdo: | but a MAC? |
| [03:10:59] | wagnerrp: | i think all digital tuners have a MAC address |
| [03:11:17] | Beirdo: | that's frigging weird to me :) |
| [03:11:46] | wagnerrp: | i know it was considered for identifying between multiple tuner cards |
| [03:11:51] | Beirdo: | unless it's an ethernet card, I see no reason it would need an IEEE802 MAC :) |
| [03:11:59] | Beirdo: | but meh :) |
| [03:12:06] | wagnerrp: | say you have two tuners on different antenna, or one on an antenna, one on cable |
| [03:12:06] | Beirdo: | just odd :) |
| [03:12:14] | wagnerrp: | keeping them differentiated across a reboot |
| [03:12:30] | Beirdo: | yeah, I can see how it's useful for identifying a card |
| [03:12:30] | wagnerrp: | would be great if analog cards had something similar... |
| [03:12:39] | wagnerrp: | !seen devinheitmueller |
| [03:12:39] | MythLogBot: | devinheitmueller was last seen 1 day 6 hours 56 minutes 13 seconds ago |
| [03:12:45] | wagnerrp: | !seen stoth |
| [03:12:45] | MythLogBot: | stoth was last seen 10 days 7 hours 27 minutes 3 seconds ago |
| [03:12:48] | wagnerrp: | !seen awalls |
| [03:12:49] | MythLogBot: | awalls was last seen 1 hour 51 minutes 22 seconds ago |
| [03:12:52] | Beirdo: | but why MAC in particular I guess is the headscratcher |
| [03:13:05] | Beirdo: | not that it matters |
| [03:13:06] | wagnerrp: | know any other devs around here to ask? |
| [03:13:18] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:13:19] | wagnerrp: | those are the only three i know of off hand |
| [03:13:28] | wagnerrp: | !seen mkrufky |
| [03:13:28] | MythLogBot: | mkrufky was last seen 18 days 10 hours 26 minutes 11 seconds ago |
| [03:13:33] | Beirdo: | there ys go |
| [03:13:45] | wagnerrp: | s/three/four |
| [03:14:12] | wagnerrp: | this initrd is really pissing me off |
| [03:14:32] | wagnerrp: | i run the EXACT SAME commands manually, and it boots |
| [03:14:52] | wagnerrp: | but udhcpc wont pick up an address automatically |
| [03:15:25] | wagnerrp: | oh fun... gentoo wants to update gcc |
| [03:15:28] | wagnerrp: | this will take a while |
| [03:15:59] | Beirdo: | insert ubuntu CD... reboot |
| [03:16:04] | Beirdo: | might be faster |
| [03:16:14] | wagnerrp: | meh, ive got their netboot installer set up |
| [03:16:21] | wagnerrp: | just need to copy a few files, and thats it |
| [03:16:49] | wagnerrp: | an old one though, maybe 9.04 |
| [03:17:13] | wagnerrp: | a while back, someone told my cousin 'windows sucks, you should install leenix' |
| [03:17:24] | wagnerrp: | so he does, borks the whole thing |
| [03:17:27] | wagnerrp: | no windows, no linux |
| [03:17:50] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:18:13] | wagnerrp: | i got their computer, and it was a 160GB hard drive, with a pre-SP1 copy of XP |
| [03:18:21] | wagnerrp: | which doesnt support drives larger than 137GB |
| [03:18:50] | wagnerrp: | so i install it, patch it up, and theres 20GB unusable without finding some utility to expand the NTFS partition on it |
| [03:19:07] | wagnerrp: | i went ahead and installed ubuntu to let my cousin see what he was getting into |
| [03:19:14] | wagnerrp: | i dont think theyve ever used it |
| [03:19:53] | Beirdo: | family++ |
| [03:23:39] | wagnerrp: | maybe you can offer some insight with this script im using |
| [03:23:46] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.com/VxSq8SdQ |
| [03:24:23] | wagnerrp: | i can put any amount of sleep in between lines 17 and 18... it never pulls an address |
| [03:24:54] | Beirdo: | weird |
| [03:25:02] | wagnerrp: | so it fails to mount the disk, fails to fsck it, fails to switch root, and subsequently runs the emergency shell |
| [03:25:11] | wagnerrp: | at which point i run line 18 manually, and everything works fine |
| [03:25:44] | Beirdo: | no clue off hand |
| [03:26:06] | Beirdo: | I assume you whacked the web looking for udhcpc and initrd, etc? |
| [03:26:11] | wagnerrp: | OH! i see it |
| [03:26:18] | wagnerrp: | that script /is/ working |
| [03:26:22] | Beirdo: | oh? |
| [03:26:30] | wagnerrp: | the one that exists in the initrd thats causing me problems isnt |
| [03:26:38] | wagnerrp: | my proc and sys mounts are wrong |
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| [03:26:54] | Beirdo: | oh |
| [03:27:00] | wagnerrp: | so they arent mounted when i try to run udhcpc, it fails, and then they are mounted properly the second time |
| [03:27:08] | Beirdo: | that could do it |
| [03:27:29] | wagnerrp: | ive got 'mount -t proc /proc /proc' |
| [03:27:33] | wagnerrp: | instead of 'none' |
| [03:29:15] | Beirdo: | don't ya love it when you find silly things like that |
| [03:30:10] | wagnerrp: | of course, and you can never find it until you have someone else look at it |
| [03:31:08] | Beirdo: | but of course |
| [03:31:26] | wagnerrp: | can you catch and handle a ctrl-c in bourne script? |
| [03:32:40] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [03:33:00] | Beirdo: | just trying to remember the incantation |
| [03:33:18] | Beirdo: | probably have to man bash |
| [03:33:38] | wagnerrp: | im thinking i should run this in a loop every 30 seconds or so |
| [03:33:47] | wagnerrp: | with a ctrl-c to drop out to the emergency shell |
| [03:34:23] | wagnerrp: | one of my machines never seems to pick up the iscsi mount on the first try |
| [03:34:31] | wagnerrp: | so i always have to go down to the basement to hit reset |
| [03:35:15] | Beirdo: | yuck |
| [03:39:32] | Beirdo: | OK, have my udev rules for the 2250 |
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| [03:40:48] | Beirdo: | now to decide where I want to plug in the serial cables |
| [03:50:01] | clever: | wagnerrp: ive found that just 'mount -t proc proc proc' works when your in / |
| [03:50:40] | wagnerrp: | youre correct, that wasnt the problem |
| [03:50:47] | wagnerrp: | the network interface is just taking 20 seconds to come up |
| [03:50:52] | wagnerrp: | for wholly unknown reasons |
| [03:50:54] | clever: | ah |
| [03:51:04] | wagnerrp: | i noticed i was getting a kernel message timed about 19.5 seconds in |
| [03:51:10] | clever: | my auto-nfs scripts are now setup to ping each host before trying to nfs mount them |
| [03:52:21] | clever: | i could modify it next to check for .mounted in each fs and not bother trying again, so its safe to re-run |
| [03:52:48] | clever: | http://pastebin.com/XQwRgU67 |
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| [04:16:30] | Beirdo: | dangit |
| [04:16:59] | Beirdo: | gotta find a good time to cut my devices and database over |
| [04:17:02] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [04:58:28] | Beirdo: | la la la. |
| [04:58:46] | Beirdo: | scping over the content |
| [04:58:57] | Beirdo: | well, rsync |
| [04:58:57] | wagnerrp: | so i somehow managed to hose up this machine |
| [04:59:04] | wagnerrp: | the one i was trying to get booted |
| [04:59:08] | Beirdo: | oops |
| [04:59:21] | wagnerrp: | so i dropped a stage3 (base system install) on top of it |
| [04:59:30] | wagnerrp: | only i forgot to back up my config files |
| [04:59:36] | Beirdo: | ouch |
| [04:59:48] | wagnerrp: | it seems to be running fine with minimal effort |
| [04:59:58] | wagnerrp: | but now ive got to recover the portage configs |
| [05:01:01] | wagnerrp: | but hey, its booting |
| [05:01:06] | wagnerrp: | thats improvement, right? |
| [05:01:10] | Beirdo: | for sure |
| [05:02:16] | wagnerrp: | going to update to 2.6.35 (from .31) while im at it |
| [05:02:47] | wagnerrp: | i just cant be a proud gentoo user with a year old kernel |
| [05:02:51] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [05:03:21] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:03:37] | Beirdo: | I just can't be a proud gentoo user. |
| [05:04:23] | wagnerrp: | "surely in a netboot+nfs scenario you don't need a full filesystem for each client?" |
| [05:04:32] | wagnerrp: | dont you need a full filesystem for every bootable machine? |
| [05:05:19] | Beirdo: | you'd think |
| [05:05:35] | Beirdo: | maybe he means you can share /home, and so on |
| [05:05:55] | wagnerrp: | 'apple iphone usb ethernet driver' |
| [05:06:03] | wagnerrp: | ... wait, you can run linux on an iphone now? |
| [05:06:18] | Beirdo: | or does that mean you can use it to tether |
| [05:06:26] | wagnerrp: | (running make oldconfig) |
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| [05:10:54] | wagnerrp: | did you know there was a kernel defined maximum number of DVB devices you could have in a system? |
| [05:11:10] | Beirdo: | not surprised |
| [05:11:16] | wagnerrp: | defaults to 8 |
| [05:11:27] | Beirdo: | seems reasonable |
| [05:12:14] | wagnerrp: | yeah, not going to exceed that without dual and/or usb tuners |
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| [05:12:32] | Beirdo: | and if you do, build a new kernel |
| [05:12:33] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:12:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, if you have that many tuners in a system, you can afford to build your own custom kernel |
| [05:13:35] | wagnerrp: | VGA_ARB_MAX_GPUS = 16 |
| [05:13:43] | wagnerrp: | no massive video walls on the stock kernel either |
| [05:13:54] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:14:06] | Beirdo: | default to wasting space for something rarely used :) |
| [05:15:08] | wagnerrp: | did you ever build a custom FreeBSD kernel? |
| [05:15:19] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [05:15:33] | wagnerrp: | its almost painfully simple compared to a linux one |
| [05:15:51] | wagnerrp: | no endless list of options to configure |
| [05:16:07] | Beirdo: | yeah, but the options are for a reason |
| [05:16:13] | wagnerrp: | just a couple device families |
| [05:16:13] | Beirdo: | just like in myth |
| [05:16:17] | wagnerrp: | a couple more subsystems |
| [05:16:33] | wagnerrp: | and everything else, you get what youre get, and youll like it! |
| [05:16:46] | Beirdo: | yeah. |
| [05:16:52] | ** Beirdo flushes FreeBSD ** | |
| [05:16:57] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [05:17:48] | Beirdo: | OMG, this will probably take all frigging night |
| [05:17:55] | ** dustybin pokes his head up then ducks down before he gets caught ** | |
| [05:18:16] | Beirdo: | oooh, it's whack-a-dustybin... where's my mallet |
| [05:18:19] | wagnerrp: | you know, if you just acted like a normal person, no one would be bothered by you |
| [05:18:34] | wagnerrp: | you could come and go as you pleased, with no fear of reprisal |
| [05:18:54] | ** wagnerrp has an evil thought ** | |
| [05:19:11] | Beirdo: | rsyncing 100+G of recordings.... slllooooow :) |
| [05:19:33] | wagnerrp: | you could have special programming for the name 'dustybin' |
| [05:19:52] | wagnerrp: | so when anyone says '!seen dustybin', kick him, and respond that he has not been seen |
| [05:20:06] | dustybin: | you guys are too intelligent for me, i dont fit in |
| [05:20:20] | Beirdo: | with blowfish cipher... 73mbps transfer |
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| [05:20:30] | Beirdo: | curse this 100mbit interface on the old box :) |
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| [05:20:37] | wagnerrp: | very evil, but amusing once or twice... :) |
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| [05:20:54] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah |
| [05:21:05] | wagnerrp: | PATA drive? |
| [05:21:18] | Beirdo: | 100mbit ethernet |
| [05:21:35] | wagnerrp: | no, im wondering why you just didnt put the drive in the new machine to transfer the content directly |
| [05:21:40] | wagnerrp: | why bother struggling at 12MBps |
| [05:21:47] | Beirdo: | because I'm recording. |
| [05:21:54] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:22:13] | wagnerrp: | now what was it lirc wanted? module unloading or something... |
| [05:22:20] | Beirdo: | and quit makin sense :) |
| [05:22:37] | wagnerrp: | i do have module unloading... stupid lirc |
| [05:22:46] | Beirdo: | the ethernet's pretty much saturated |
| [05:22:54] | Beirdo: | as it's recording as well |
| [05:25:03] | wagnerrp: | well thats the 64-bit image off compiling |
| [05:25:09] | wagnerrp: | i guess i should get the 32-bit one going |
| [05:25:45] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:25:56] | wagnerrp: | aww crap |
| [05:26:00] | Beirdo: | us and our archaic pieces o' crap |
| [05:26:00] | wagnerrp: | ive got no password files |
| [05:26:16] | wagnerrp: | i cant even log into this thing |
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| [05:26:30] | Beirdo: | snicker |
| [05:26:32] | Beirdo: | oops |
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| [05:28:02] | wagnerrp: | and fix the shutdown scripts so it doesnt terminate the ethernet connection and drop my filesystem access prematurely |
| [05:28:43] | Beirdo: | hasn't someone already done all that work for you if you used a "real" distro? |
| [05:28:50] | Beirdo: | not a DIY one? |
| [05:29:11] | wagnerrp: | you know of anyone that offers software iscsi boot stock? |
| [05:29:16] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:29:17] | Beirdo: | no |
| [05:29:19] | Beirdo: | good point |
| [05:29:25] | Beirdo: | NFS FTW |
| [05:29:38] | Beirdo: | why are you using iSCSI? just curious |
| [05:30:03] | wagnerrp: | seemed like a good idea at the time |
| [05:30:06] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:30:16] | Beirdo: | it does sound cool |
| [05:30:26] | Beirdo: | but if it causes THAT much extra work... |
| [05:30:46] | Beirdo: | it had better be worth it :) |
| [05:30:46] | wagnerrp: | actually, it removes a ton of work once i get it set up |
| [05:31:12] | dustybin: | i cant believe stallman conducted a speech picking his toes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ |
| [05:31:13] | wagnerrp: | i can set up a new machine in five minutes, and have it booted and running in ten |
| [05:31:36] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: in case you never realized, stallman is a dirty hippie |
| [05:31:36] | ** Beirdo lifts the mallet and whacks dustybin's head ** | |
| [05:31:44] | Beirdo: | got him! |
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| [05:32:03] | dustybin: | he even eats what he picked from his toes eeeeeeek |
| [05:32:37] | ** wagnerrp repeats the part about dirty hippie ** | |
| [05:32:47] | ** Beirdo hands wagnerrp the mallet ** | |
| [05:32:56] | Beirdo: | it's whack-a-mole time |
| [05:33:29] | wagnerrp: | wait, what? its finished with the kernel? |
| [05:33:44] | wagnerrp: | but, i still cant even log into the other system, much less have it set up to compile |
| [05:33:54] | wagnerrp: | stupid fast semi-modern hardware |
| [05:34:02] | dustybin: | im not a mole :( |
| [05:34:08] | Beirdo: | BONK! |
| [05:34:18] | Beirdo: | then stop popping your head up |
| [05:34:25] | dustybin: | ok |
| [05:34:27] | wagnerrp: | hedgehog? |
| [05:35:03] | dustybin: | a mole in UK means a spy kind of |
| [05:35:20] | dustybin: | dodgy.. |
| [05:35:23] | ** dustybin hides ** | |
| [05:35:26] | Beirdo: | it also means a small animal like a mouse |
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| [05:35:31] | dustybin: | aye |
| [05:35:34] | Beirdo: | BONK |
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| [05:40:02] | Gumby: | hi all. are there any recommendations for which deinterlacer(s) and filters to use for HD and fast moving sports? |
| [05:40:20] | wagnerrp: | none |
| [05:40:32] | wagnerrp: | sports are almost always in 720p, no deint needed |
| [05:42:26] | Gumby: | so anything less than 720p doesnt need a deinterlacer for vdpau? |
| [05:42:47] | wagnerrp: | its progressive, it doesnt need deinterlacing |
| [05:43:30] | Gumby: | oh, I see |
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| [05:43:35] | Gumby: | of course |
| [05:44:29] | dustybin: | i cant believe its 2010 and we still have no HD on freeview |
| [05:45:01] | dustybin: | HD TVs have been on sale for about 4/5 years |
| [05:45:13] | dustybin: | yet we have no HD unless you pay for it |
| [05:45:45] | dustybin: | SD looks terrible on HD TVs |
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| [05:58:44] | elmargol: | dustybin: depends on the screen size. SD looks just fine on <32" |
| [05:59:48] | jamesd_: | i dont have a problem with it on my 42" 1080p, though its easy to get spoiled on 1080* content |
| [06:01:13] | dustybin: | SD + VGA Scart looks awesome |
| [06:01:40] | dustybin: | when we move over to HD, sure ill switch but there still is no point |
| [06:03:58] | jamesd_: | the biggest reason for SD is the amount of content it allowed they can put 4+ shows per channel and who really needs HD talk shows... |
| [06:05:06] | dustybin: | when i watch my tv, i dont think about the quality, i watch what it is, im sure if i had HD, the spark would wear off, and i would be doing the same as if i had SD |
| [06:05:38] | dustybin: | SD or HD doesnt make the film better or worse |
| [06:06:25] | jamesd_: | HD sporting events rock its totally cool to be able to see the blades of glass on the field even though i just have rabbit ears. |
| [06:06:34] | jamesd_: | er grass |
| [06:06:38] | elmargol: | The real problem is they are not using 100% SD most content over here is compressed to death |
| [06:06:52] | elmargol: | If you split 5Mbit on 6 channels it is going to suck :) |
| [06:06:59] | dustybin: | jamesd_: that would still wear off and turn normal, even SD is still amazing compared to analogue |
| [06:07:07] | elmargol: | At least if you are using mpeg2 |
| [06:07:20] | elmargol: | it is all depending on the bitrate |
| [06:08:26] | dustybin: | i remember when DVDs first came out, i was like woooooo, amazing quality, now i dont care |
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| [06:09:20] | jamesd_: | toy story on blu-ray really rocks you can see so much more little things in it that you just can't see on the DVD |
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| [06:12:10] | dustybin: | jamesd_: that will soon wear off, HD will turn normal and unexciting |
| [06:12:56] | jamesd_: | had it for two years now and the tv for almost 3 years, and i still look at screen every now and then and think damm what a great picture. |
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| [06:24:54] | elmargol: | well now we have 4k video :) |
| [06:25:04] | elmargol: | HD is outdated *g* |
| [06:25:05] | wagnerrp: | oh? |
| [06:25:17] | wagnerrp: | where might you find 4K content? |
| [06:26:16] | wagnerrp: | more importantly, where are you going to find a machine to decode 4K h.264? |
| [06:26:28] | wagnerrp: | or even 4k mpeg2 for that matter |
| [06:26:28] | elmargol: | http://xkcd.com/732/ ^^ |
| [06:26:51] | elmargol: | wagnerrp: on youtube |
| [06:27:12] | elmargol: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0m1XmvBey8 <-- |
| [06:27:18] | wagnerrp: | bleh, the 4k stuff on youtube is garbage bitrate |
| [06:27:23] | wagnerrp: | and it still plays awful |
| [06:27:40] | elmargol: | you can't decode it *g* |
| [06:28:23] | wagnerrp: | flash just outright barfs? ill admit ive not actually tried |
| [06:29:37] | wagnerrp: | anyway, a high end processor may do 15mbps per core, decoding |
| [06:30:17] | wagnerrp: | and for 4K video, youre looking at probably 125mbps |
| [06:32:03] | wagnerrp: | mpeg2 would be double to triple that, and its not set up for multi-threaded decoding |
| [06:32:30] | dustybin: | if the content is excellent and the quality is cack, ill still watch it, if the content is poor and the quality is amazing HD, i wont watch it, resolution doesnt make a cack film any better or worse |
| [06:33:30] | wagnerrp: | sure it does |
| [06:34:08] | wagnerrp: | if youve got macroblocking all over the place, youre going to get fed up and stop watching |
| [06:35:35] | dustybin: | same with audio, if i heard some of my favourite tracks played from a analogue audio cassette or i had a chance to listen to cd quality music i hate, i would choose the analogue audio cassette |
| [06:37:29] | elmargol: | dustybin: you must be strange |
| [06:37:29] | elmargol: | audio quality on cassette sucks big time |
| [06:37:47] | elmargol: | vinyl maybe... cassette no way |
| [06:37:48] | dustybin: | it was good enough |
| [06:38:39] | elmargol: | yea like black and white tv |
| [06:38:55] | dustybin: | everything is too perfect these days, low quality doesnt mean its bad, its character |
| [06:39:04] | elmargol: | or needle printers |
| [06:39:23] | wagnerrp: | low quality because of intent is character |
| [06:39:31] | wagnerrp: | low quality because of poor medium is just garbage |
| [06:40:13] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: what im trying to say is, the content comes first, whatever the output is, comes 2nd |
| [06:40:51] | dustybin: | not the other way round, lets watch this cack film because i happen to have the hd video for it |
| [06:41:36] | dustybin: | ohhhh its HD, amazing, amazing, hold on... this film is cack.. |
| [06:43:22] | elmargol: | there is even worse... I hate 3d sooooo mch |
| [06:43:28] | elmargol: | it is just stupid |
| [06:43:38] | wagnerrp: | meh... i just see low quality blockiness, fuzzyness, etc... as something that gets in the way |
| [06:43:38] | dustybin: | we need to do a experiment, a human watching a film with SD quality and a human watching the same film with HD quality, did the person watching the same film in HD quality enjoy the film better than the guy watching it in SD quality |
| [06:43:53] | wagnerrp: | you notice it, and you cant get immersed in the film, show, song, whatever |
| [06:44:41] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: that depends, is atmosphere and staging something used to good effect in the film? |
| [06:44:52] | dustybin: | equal |
| [06:45:59] | dustybin: | man i enjoyed that film so much, i could see every detail, i could see the guys hair :-S |
| [06:46:37] | wagnerrp: | i assume youve been to a theater before? |
| [06:46:45] | dustybin: | sure |
| [06:47:01] | wagnerrp: | you have a dark theater, large screen, loud audio |
| [06:47:07] | wagnerrp: | it really helps immerse you in the film |
| [06:47:08] | dustybin: | its good sure |
| [06:48:06] | wagnerrp: | if the film relies on its environment to set up the mood, it can significantly help a film |
| [06:48:12] | dustybin: | but when you are watching the film, your mind doesnt focus on how many pixels are on the screen, you are engaged in the story, same as SD or HD, its equal |
| [06:48:19] | wagnerrp: | if the film is nothing but a bunch of people talking, then no, it makes no difference |
| [06:49:01] | wagnerrp: | its nothing to do with how many pixels are on screen |
| [06:49:08] | dustybin: | of course |
| [06:49:17] | wagnerrp: | its whether at your screen size, can you easily pick out the individual pixels |
| [06:49:26] | wagnerrp: | alternatively is the screen very blurry |
| [06:49:28] | dustybin: | hahahaa |
| [06:49:36] | wagnerrp: | if you want a large screen, you need higher resolution |
| [06:49:45] | wagnerrp: | or else that is going to stand out |
| [06:50:14] | dustybin: | ok |
| [06:50:18] | wagnerrp: | its not about letting you see more |
| [06:50:25] | wagnerrp: | its about distracting you less at larger screen sizes |
| [06:50:47] | dustybin: | ok good point |
| [06:50:50] | wagnerrp: | films have always had vastly higher resolution and quality than broadcast tv and dvds |
| [06:51:10] | wagnerrp: | if you want the same kind of experience, you need similarly high resolution video |
| [06:52:05] | dustybin: | maybe HD will make you engage into a film easier than SD, less distractions |
| [06:52:22] | wagnerrp: | IF you have a sufficiently large tv |
| [06:52:27] | dustybin: | ok |
| [06:54:03] | dustybin: | the world is trying to be ultra pixel perfect, ultra clean audio, bring back some bad quality :D |
| [06:55:04] | wagnerrp: | youre not looking for bad quality, youre looking for realistic quality |
| [06:55:09] | wagnerrp: | 'clean' is not realistic |
| [06:55:14] | ** dustybin orders a B&W TV on ebay, to hell with colour ** | |
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| [06:56:56] | dustybin: | like all software, it keeps getting better and better, more perfect, until its reached ultimate perfection |
| [06:58:35] | dustybin: | once we reach ultimate hardware and software perfection, have we won? |
| [06:58:37] | Beirdo: | BONK |
| [06:58:59] | wagnerrp: | no, the problem is that its far from perfect |
| [06:59:09] | wagnerrp: | like you say, its too 'clean' |
| [07:00:09] | wagnerrp: | buildings are dirty, they have cracks |
| [07:00:17] | wagnerrp: | theres crap on the streets |
| [07:00:33] | wagnerrp: | blemishes on people, specular diffusion in the skin |
| [07:00:59] | wagnerrp: | theres all sorts of things that CG skips out on, because its too complex, or takes too much resources |
| [07:01:18] | Beirdo: | or because people are too lazy to implement :) |
| [07:01:47] | wagnerrp: | as a result, stuff just looks 'wrong', or its 'too pristine' |
| [07:01:51] | wagnerrp: | its unrealistic |
| [07:02:17] | dustybin: | is there a such thing as a linux project what is complete |
| [07:02:31] | dustybin: | there is nothing more required for it |
| [07:02:34] | Beirdo: | nothing is complete |
| [07:02:36] | Beirdo: | ever |
| [07:02:44] | wagnerrp: | you cant tell what is missing, but subconsciously, you know its fake |
| [07:02:45] | dustybin: | why? |
| [07:03:22] | dustybin: | can adding and changing eventually mess up what was once good, like adobe software... |
| [07:03:27] | wagnerrp: | thats why well done model-based stuff from the 70s looks better than modern CG |
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| [07:04:14] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: unless you have an extremely small project scope |
| [07:04:18] | wagnerrp: | something like 'cat' or 'echo' |
| [07:04:29] | wagnerrp: | there will always be improvements and optimizations that can be made |
| [07:04:41] | dustybin: | why |
| [07:04:44] | dustybin: | its ok as it is |
| [07:04:49] | dustybin: | i dont need extra options |
| [07:04:50] | dustybin: | nooooooooo |
| [07:04:57] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [07:05:02] | wagnerrp: | xbox? |
| [07:05:10] | dustybin: | i dont want to be lazy, i dont need that lazy option to stop me doing it mysekf |
| [07:05:14] | Beirdo: | drunk people and on IRC |
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| [07:05:41] | wagnerrp: | ah, i thought you just noticed the ML thread looking for 0.23 xebian packages |
| [07:05:58] | dustybin: | where will we be in 20 years time, bloatware, software perfection |
| [07:06:28] | Beirdo: | nah, I already had a laugh over that one |
| [07:07:03] | dustybin: | the adobe stuff is a joke, photoshop was finished years ago, and yet they still release stuff |
| [07:07:10] | Beirdo: | we don't care |
| [07:07:30] | Beirdo: | and it's not finished, obviously. |
| [07:07:58] | dustybin: | well, im trying to say, maybe software should stop, instead of turning into a bloatfest for no reason, it can spoil the original good product |
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| [07:10:01] | dustybin: | man im drunk, i hope i am lin doro doesnt ban me :-S |
| [07:10:24] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: you want the mallet? it's whack-a-mole time |
| [07:10:36] | dustybin: | eeek he will read now |
| [07:10:42] | wagnerrp: | i keep telling you, you make jokes about him banning you, and hes going to do it |
| [07:11:11] | dustybin: | i know :-S thats what im worried about |
| [07:11:28] | Beirdo: | if you are so worried... just shutty. or don't IRC drunk. |
| [07:11:33] | wagnerrp: | so why do you say such things? |
| [07:11:37] | dustybin: | tonight ive been drunk, i dont usually rant like this |
| [07:11:59] | wagnerrp: | do you need to install a keyboard interlock? |
| [07:12:07] | dustybin: | haha maybe |
| [07:12:21] | wagnerrp: | no typing until you puff in the pipe |
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| [07:12:27] | dustybin: | :-O |
| [07:15:27] | Beirdo: | ugh |
| [07:15:40] | Beirdo: | that's enough debugging for tonight, I think |
| [07:16:27] | dustybin: | Beirdo: mythtv-users dont debug? |
| [07:16:41] | Beirdo: | BONK |
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| [07:38:58] | justinh: | pfft. commonwealth games furore.. I mean who's afraid of a bit of excrement on the walls of their apartment? Man.. those guys need to learn a sense of perspective |
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| [07:52:40] | IXian-Probe: | hi, I'm looking for a mediaserver setup that downloads podcasts over rss and automatically(automagically?) transfers them to a mobile device. (Though, I know that the last part depends on the client software.) Does Mythtv have a uPnP server plugin and a RSS/Atom plugin? |
| [08:02:08] | justinh: | it has a upnp server built-in |
| [08:02:44] | justinh: | but as for an RSS feed plugin – no such thing exists although several people have written scripts to make rss feeds from mythtv content – but only for recordings as far as I know |
| [08:03:15] | IXian-Probe: | I just found the mythnetv plugin that said it has an rss reader.. so I think I got my question answered. |
| [08:03:16] | justinh: | wouldn't you just be better served with a podcast client? |
| [08:03:20] | IXian-Probe: | thanks :) |
| [08:04:10] | IXian-Probe: | well, I only want my mobile devices to download when I'm home, but I'd like to have it automated completely. |
| [08:04:26] | IXian-Probe: | and I would want to cache everything on a central server |
| [08:04:33] | justinh: | I don't think any podcast client can do that. the transferring is always left to the user |
| [08:04:36] | IXian-Probe: | since I have several mobile devices and I want them to have identical content. |
| [08:05:26] | dustybin: | justinh: i have a spare VGA > RGB scart box if your interested |
| [08:05:36] | justinh: | dustybin: goodbye |
| [08:05:47] | dustybin: | ? |
| [08:05:48] | IXian-Probe: | justinh: thanks btw :) |
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| [09:00:13] | midefee: | !banlist |
| [09:01:35] | justinh: | ? |
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| [09:55:09] | IOU: | is there anyone here who is rather fluant when it comes to recordings and multiple tuners/cards |
| [09:55:47] | IOU: | i have a scenario which i need to clarify if its possible, AND/or how to do it |
| [10:01:57] | justinh: | just ask your questions |
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| [10:04:17] | IOU: | ok, I have two tuners in my system, I want to use Tunder #1 for live TV, and #2 for recordings. I want all new recordings added to automatically use tuner #2. |
| [10:04:26] | IOU: | I'd use priorites to do this i'd assume ? |
| [10:05:19] | IOU: | also, when viewing live TV from card #1, when i hit record for a currently running show, It uses Card 1 to do the recording, Is here a way that this recording can be automatically started on tuner #2 ? |
| [10:05:45] | justinh: | mmmm live tv. I think I'll pass on this one |
| [10:07:16] | IOU: | elol, can you help at all with the first part, Im not getting this priority stuff lol |
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| [10:18:54] | IOU: | ok, managed to work the first one out for myself. |
| [10:19:08] | IOU: | found some better docs. |
| [10:19:19] | IOU: | Now to get Live TV "Record" to switch to tuner 2 |
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| [11:19:26] | elmargol: | for wakeup should I use utc or localtime for my system? |
| [11:23:30] | IOU: | oh this is seriously doing my head in |
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| [11:36:09] | lbt: | elmargol: usually set hardware clock to utc |
| [11:36:26] | lbt: | elmargol: and then conversion should "just work" |
| [11:36:36] | lbt: | of course your first test will show you :) |
| [11:37:19] | lbt: | elmargol: generally you specify wakeup in localtime (well that's how I've been doing it for many years) |
| [11:43:05] | IOU: | how would you tell a recording priority which card to use to record that match? |
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| [12:39:25] | jean_: | hi, I have a problem with mapping mz Remote to the mythtv – irw says, that lirc recieves them ok, but mythtv wont use them, when i try in ~/.lirc/mythtv added for example new mapping for MyTV, in frontend, when I try to map it to the jump action, keypress is not displayed and key is not registered:( please help |
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| [12:46:41] | justinh: | jean_: when you make changes to lircrc or .lircrc files you have to restart mythfrontend for them to take effect |
| [12:47:29] | justinh: | also, mythfrontend only looks in ~/.mythtv/lircrc or ~/.lircrc AFAIK |
| [12:48:40] | jean_: | justinh: hi, thank you for reply. I restart mythfrontend after each change, but no luck |
| [12:49:19] | justinh: | and as I said mythfrontend won't read ~/.lircrc/ |
| [12:49:54] | justinh: | er ~/.lirc/ I mean |
| [12:50:59] | jean_: | justinh: ok, so right place to go is ~/.lircrc |
| [12:51:00] | jean_: | ? |
| [12:51:19] | justinh: | or in ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [12:51:40] | justinh: | i.e. the file is either called ~/.lircrc or ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [12:52:01] | jean_: | well, in this file I have only links: |
| [12:52:02] | jean_: | #Custom lircrc generated via mythbuntu-lirc-generator |
| [12:52:02] | jean_: | #All application specific lircrc files are within ~/.lirc |
| [12:52:02] | jean_: | include ~/.lirc/mythtv |
| [12:52:02] | jean_: | include ~/.lirc/mplayer |
| [12:52:03] | jean_: | include ~/.lirc/xine |
| [12:52:05] | jean_: | include ~/.lirc/vlc |
| [12:52:07] | jean_: | include ~/.lirc/xmame |
| [12:52:09] | jean_: | include ~/.lirc/xmess |
| [12:52:11] | jean_: | include ~/.lirc/totem |
| [12:52:14] | jean_: | include ~/.lirc/elisa |
| [12:52:36] | jean_: | so when I try to edit ~/.lirc/mythtv I am probably right |
| [12:53:23] | jean_: | but still no luck:( |
| [12:53:27] | justinh: | use a pastebin for more than 2 lines please |
| [12:53:31] | jean_: | sry |
| [12:53:45] | jean_: | I'll use it next time |
| [12:53:50] | justinh: | heh I didn't know lirc can use includes |
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| [12:55:52] | jean_: | :) |
| [12:56:44] | jean_: | btw. I have iMon Pad remote |
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| [12:59:28] | jean_: | justinh: do you use jumps in your config? |
| [13:04:20] | justinh: | yup |
| [13:05:08] | jean_: | yay, maybe I am figure it out, on config= line in mythtv MUST be valid X key, isn't it? |
| [13:10:55] | justinh: | http://pastebin.com/QUp3N05C |
| [13:12:38] | jean_: | yes, it is definetely that, I must missed it somewhere:) |
| [13:12:43] | jean_: | btw. I have Harmony too |
| [13:12:55] | justinh: | allowed modifiers are CTRL, ALT, SHIFT and META |
| [13:13:11] | jean_: | ok |
| [13:13:19] | jean_: | thank you for kick off |
| [13:13:31] | justinh: | this page will help too http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC |
| [13:14:03] | jean_: | i read it many times, but, that detail about valid key I miss:) |
| [13:15:16] | justinh: | mythtv takes the blame for a lot of things.. one of the big ones is how hard lirc can be to figure out |
| [13:15:41] | justinh: | *still* |
| [13:20:17] | jean_: | i'll try it |
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| [13:41:58] | ExElNeT: | heya. has anything changed with the xmltv grabbers api? somehow my grabber wont receive any ids as parameter anymore |
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| [13:47:54] | Brad-D: | morning gang |
| [13:51:10] | ExElNeT: | ah no found the problem... a running mythfilldatabase zombie... |
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| [14:00:43] | Brad-D2: | can anyone point me in the right direction on best practices for storing your tv shows on dvd collection on myth? |
| [14:00:50] | Brad-D2: | can i just make iso's? Or is that silly? |
| [14:02:14] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [14:28:08] | elmargol: | I get failed to open the card if I try to do a channel scan |
| [14:28:25] | wagnerrp: | that means something else already has the card open and locked |
| [14:29:38] | elmargol: | I have kdvb-ad something running |
| [14:29:42] | elmargol: | is that part of mythtv? |
| [14:29:48] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [14:30:09] | wagnerrp: | are you using KDE? |
| [14:30:16] | elmargol: | no |
| [14:30:43] | wagnerrp: | then that may be some sort of kernel helper program |
| [14:31:16] | elmargol: | well thats the only thing accessing /dev/dvb |
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| [14:32:38] | wagnerrp: | stoth: you may be able to answer this one |
| [14:32:46] | stoth: | wagnerrp: sure |
| [14:32:52] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo discovered that his tuner card had a MAC address |
| [14:32:58] | wagnerrp: | and couldnt understand why |
| [14:33:13] | stoth: | that indeed would be my doing. |
| [14:33:23] | wagnerrp: | i know its got something to do with interactive capability, but beyond that, i didnt really understand it myself |
| [14:33:36] | elmargol: | strange the scan application does not work aswell |
| [14:34:09] | stoth: | we need a unique serial no per board. When we migrated from the technotrende band into haup made hardware we followed the existing serial number model, using mac addresses. |
| [14:34:24] | wagnerrp: | also, hes got beer and/or other gifts lined up for you for the the -2250 driver |
| [14:34:27] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [14:34:40] | stoth: | lol |
| [14:35:10] | stoth: | one open issue with the 2250 driver as I recall, pretty solid for me otherwise. |
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| [14:40:28] | stoth: | I was looking for danielk |
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| [14:44:55] | jannau: | stoth: look in #mythtv |
| [14:46:36] | stoth: | thx jannau |
| [14:48:08] | jannau: | wagnerrp: DVB-S cards were used for IP over satellite in the last millenium (probably still are) and had of course a MAC address |
| [14:48:38] | stoth: | .. still are |
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| [15:01:51] | elmargol: | where can I configure my DiSEqC? |
| [15:05:43] | sofar: | question: I've been changing my transcoder settings and adding new transcode profiles, but every time I re-re-transcode an old recording, it picks the oldest transcode setting even though I've changed the series to use a different transcoder profile |
| [15:06:00] | sofar: | is the transcode profile stored in the db as part of each recorded show? |
| [15:06:57] | sofar: | because no matter what I try, it takes my 720p profile for all my recordings, even though I've added my SD profile to all my SD recordiing schedules |
| [15:10:42] | sofar: | now all my shows are 3–5gb large even though the original recording was 300mb :/ |
| [15:25:42] | wagnerrp: | elmargol: in the capture input setup |
| [15:26:01] | wagnerrp: | sofar: yes, the transcode profile is stored with the recording, as well as the record rule |
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| [15:26:34] | elmargol: | wagnerrp, I have a very hard time scanning channels :( I have hotbird and astra 19.2E |
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| [15:30:21] | elmargol: | If I try to import a channels.conf I get Failed to parse '%1' |
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| [15:31:29] | sofar: | wagnerrp: so basically, it's impossible to change the transcode settings once a show has been recorded? |
| [15:31:50] | mythluvah: | Can someone help with missing 'Watch Videos'? |
| [15:32:02] | wagnerrp: | no, the default transcode settings has been set once a show has been recorded |
| [15:32:22] | wagnerrp: | if you want a different setting, you need to set it when you add the transcode job |
| [15:32:44] | wagnerrp: | mythluvah: 'Watch Videos' will only show up in the menu if the MythVideo plugin is installed |
| [15:33:10] | mythluvah: | It says it is. I'm running 26437 and I've removed everything and reinstalled, but no joy. |
| [15:33:34] | mythluvah: | Also, the plugins menu appears, but I can't enter it. |
| [15:34:09] | wagnerrp: | if it shows up, but you cannot enter it, that typically means you have mismatched libraries for your current frontend |
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| [15:34:26] | wagnerrp: | they are running a different plugin api, so the frontend can see them, but it cant load and use them |
| [15:34:30] | mythluvah: | hmm. I did a complete removal and rebooted.. Then reinstalled. |
| [15:34:53] | mythluvah: | Is there a better way to nuke all myth related libs and start over? |
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| [16:07:03] | DaPsaille: | hi, i've got a problem with my dual tuner configuration .. i use dvb-t so multiplex contain about 2/3 streams ... if i record emission on channel 7 i can only view emissions from the same multiplex .. it seems that my conf doesn't take care of dual tuner |
| [16:10:10] | DaPsaille: | is there is any tuto/doc about dual tuner conf ? |
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| [16:20:16] | toeb: | Hi i had accedently set the channum of one of my channels to "-23132" which i think was proposed by the channelscanner |
| [16:21:35] | toeb: | but in livetv using EPG it is not possible to tune this channel, nothing happens if i try to select it, chanching channum to "23132" resolved the problem... |
| [16:22:50] | toeb: | should i open a ticket for this issue? |
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| [16:26:34] | DaPsaille: | maybee you can edit database ? |
| [16:28:34] | DaPsaille: | sorry, didn't see that you already solved this problem ^^ |
| [16:30:13] | toeb: | DaPsaille: I did, using mythweb, but the question is, should i open a ticket for the issue, i think there was some ongoing work on the channelscanner befor or after i did the channel scan, maybe it is already fixed or does no longer occour because the scanner proposes different channums... |
| [16:41:22] | DaPsaille: | well .. i've found howto make dvb card for one recording and second for viewing ... but if i record 2 programs from the same multiplex mythtv take the 2 tuners instead of 1 .... strange |
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| [17:39:35] | wagnerrp: | DaPsaille: the problem is in how mythtv handles multiplexes |
| [17:39:48] | wagnerrp: | it creates multiple virtual tuners, which get handled just like any other tuner |
| [17:40:07] | wagnerrp: | when you are doing livetv, by default, it will pick the first available tuner it finds from the top of the list down |
| [17:40:26] | wagnerrp: | if you define a digital tuner with three virtual tuners |
| [17:40:41] | wagnerrp: | livetv will choose the second virtual tuner, and be locked to the same multiplex as the recording |
| [17:41:03] | wagnerrp: | you either need to change the setting that tells livetv to 'avoid conflicts with recordings', which tells it to take from the bottom of the list up |
| [17:41:16] | wagnerrp: | or you just need to manually switch tuners to a fully available one in livetv |
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| [17:44:52] | tgm4883: | I changed my channel numbers and callsigns via mythweb in order to not have duplicate channels listed for my pcHDTV 5500 and my HDPVR, is that going to cause issues with external channel changers for my HDPVR since the channel in the guide is no longer 708 (I changed it to 8.1) |
| [17:45:08] | DaPsaille: | +wagnerrp .... ok i understand .. i've already cheicked Avoid conflicts with recordings .. do i need to decheck it ? |
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| [17:45:54] | wagnerrp: | DaPsaille: all that setting does is make livetv pull from the bottom of the list of tuners |
| [17:46:19] | wagnerrp: | if that virtual tuner is already locked to a multiplex by another recording |
| [17:46:26] | wagnerrp: | theres not really anything you can do |
| [17:46:37] | backslash7: | Hello. Which release is the last to include the analog cable TV scan function? I'm using the PVR-350 and would like to be able to scan for TV channels automatically. |
| [17:46:45] | wagnerrp: | its a known deficiency in mythtv |
| [17:46:51] | wagnerrp: | but not one for which there is an easy solution |
| [17:46:59] | wagnerrp: | and not one for which there is significant motivation to fix |
| [17:47:21] | wagnerrp: | backslash7: you have a IP mask set... what country do you live in? |
| [17:47:43] | backslash7: | wagnerrp: Switzerland, why? |
| [17:48:01] | wagnerrp: | depending on your country of origin, you shouldnt be scanning anyway |
| [17:48:10] | wagnerrp: | analog scanning works just fine in 0.23 |
| [17:48:13] | DaPsaille: | well ... so dual tuner is usefull ... or i don't understand ^^^ |
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| [17:48:44] | wagnerrp: | DaPsaille: the scheduler will handle multiple tuners with multiple virts each without problem |
| [17:48:53] | wagnerrp: | the issue is in how livetv selects what tuner to use |
| [17:48:56] | DaPsaille: | ok |
| [17:49:04] | wagnerrp: | its a bit quirky |
| [17:49:06] | bwallen: | What is a good indoor antenna for OTA broadcasts in the USA? |
| [17:49:09] | DaPsaille: | so dual tuner configuration work un scheduled mode but not in livetv |
| [17:49:15] | backslash7: | wagnerrp: The first time I used mythtv everything worked great. When I wanted to use it again a couple of months later, it didn't anymore and I was told I had to create a bunch of files and that analog scanning had been disabled because nobody uses it anyway. So it's enabled again in 0.23? |
| [17:49:17] | DaPsaille: | or it may cause problems |
| [17:49:22] | wagnerrp: | it works just fine in livetv, its just a bit quirky |
| [17:49:48] | wagnerrp: | you may want to set a button on your remote to let you cycle through your tuners |
| [17:49:58] | wagnerrp: | so if youre locked to a mux, you can switch to another tuner that isnt |
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| [17:50:15] | wagnerrp: | backslash7: analog scanning wasnt disabled because nobody uses it |
| [17:50:28] | wagnerrp: | it was disabled because the scanner was rewritten for 0.22 |
| [17:50:38] | wagnerrp: | and analog was not currently working at the time of release |
| [17:50:47] | backslash7: | wagnerrp: Lots of people on this exact channel told me that. So that's all the information I've had |
| [17:50:56] | frtorres: | Hi, from Colombia S.A. |
| [17:50:57] | backslash7: | wagnerrp: That makes more sense, thanks for clearing that up. |
| [17:50:59] | DaPsaille: | thanks for the tip, i will define a button for cycle physical tuners |
| [17:51:03] | backslash7: | wagnerrp: So it's fine in 0.23? |
| [17:51:09] | wagnerrp: | should be, yes |
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| [17:51:20] | backslash7: | wagnerrp: I'll go aheand and compile it then. Thanks a bunch! |
| [17:52:17] | DaPsaille: | just for being sure ... for a dual tuner do i need to create a new video source or may i link the second tuner to the existent source ? |
| [17:52:41] | wagnerrp: | DaPsaille: the 'video source' is an abstract 'source of content' |
| [17:52:47] | DaPsaille: | ok |
| [17:52:54] | wagnerrp: | be it an antenna, or a cable subscription, or satellite subscription, etc... |
| [17:53:16] | wagnerrp: | the video source defines the channel list, and guide provider |
| [17:53:27] | wagnerrp: | then you can map one or more tuners to it as appropriate |
| [17:53:55] | DaPsaille: | so i need only to make 1 frequency scan for the two tunners ? |
| [17:54:11] | wagnerrp: | if they run off the same source, correct |
| [17:54:16] | DaPsaille: | ok perfect |
| [17:54:34] | DaPsaille: | it seems that documentation lacks dual tuner config .. if i'm wrong please tell me |
| [17:54:56] | frtorres: | I have been using 0.23.1 version with Haup hdpvr 1212 box. I control a DirectTV STB with HD channels. I got a seg fault when changing from a std channel to a HD channel. |
| [17:54:59] | DaPsaille: | and don't tell me to create it ^^ i don't understand half the things i do |
| [17:55:22] | wagnerrp: | DaPsaille: its not that it lacks it, theres just little need to document how do to it |
| [17:55:31] | frtorres: | I recompliled mythtv from trunk, same problem. Googled but not much ingo. Any hint about it? |
| [17:55:34] | wagnerrp: | you add a second, and third, and any subsequent tuner just as you did the first |
| [17:55:50] | DaPsaille: | ok |
| [17:56:01] | wagnerrp: | frtorres: using digital audio? |
| [17:56:06] | frtorres: | btw if I run mythfrontend and the first channel is a HD channels works ok. |
| [17:56:36] | frtorres: | wagnerrp, no. |
| [17:56:41] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, is there an issue with digital audio on the HDPVR? |
| [17:56:54] | tgm4883: | i'm fighting audio issues on mine now |
| [17:57:02] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: sort of |
| [17:57:17] | wagnerrp: | there are issues where the STB hasnt actually finished tuning |
| [17:57:24] | wagnerrp: | so its not yet sending a proper audio stream |
| [17:57:28] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, if you tell me the issue is that sometimes audio doesn't get recorded i'll be happy |
| [17:57:30] | tgm4883: | hmm |
| [17:57:34] | wagnerrp: | but the channel changer script has returned |
| [17:57:35] | tgm4883: | that might actually be my issue |
| [17:57:46] | wagnerrp: | leading mythtv to believe that the stb is ready to capture from |
| [17:58:01] | tgm4883: | fixes for that? |
| [17:58:03] | wagnerrp: | it tries to pull a feed from the HDPVR, and without the audio stream, there are problems |
| [17:58:18] | wagnerrp: | put a 'sleep' in your channel changer script |
| [17:58:21] | tgm4883: | I'm getting video, but no audio |
| [17:58:26] | tgm4883: | ok, i'll try that |
| [17:58:33] | wagnerrp: | its not a clean solution |
| [17:58:46] | wagnerrp: | but it will have to do until hauppauge gets it fixed in their own firmware |
| [17:58:54] | tgm4883: | ok sounds good |
| [17:59:27] | tgm4883: | sorry to hijack you helping frtorres |
| [18:02:19] | wagnerrp: | frtorres: the HDPVR will merely output a stream at whatever resolution is set to it, it does no scaling |
| [18:02:33] | wagnerrp: | previously, mythtv would have trouble if the HDPVR changed resolutions mid-stream |
| [18:02:42] | wagnerrp: | but as far as i know, that should all work fine now |
| [18:04:31] | frtorres: | mmm. wagnerrp. If my first tunned channel is a HD and I change to another HD channel, works ok, but changing from a std to HD channel. I got a segfault |
| [18:05:15] | wagnerrp: | i dont actually have an HDPVR, so i cant really help you further |
| [18:05:33] | wagnerrp: | i know of that old issue as mentioned, but i was under the impression it had been fixed some time ago |
| [18:05:44] | frtorres: | I updated to the latest haup firmware |
| [18:06:01] | DaPsaille: | wagnerrp thanks for the tip for cycling tuners, it works but ... |
| [18:06:02] | frtorres: | wagnerrp: It is ok, thanks for youtr help |
| [18:06:45] | DaPsaille: | if i manually record 1 program on multiplex1 then another on multiplex 2 ten another to mp 3 ... it stops recording on multiplex1 without asking me ... feature or bug ? |
| [18:06:50] | backslash7: | wagnerrp: I just checked out the mythtv 0.23 branch and the README file says "Release 0.22". Should I file a bug report? ;) |
| [18:07:58] | wagnerrp: | DaPsaille: thats the scheduler in action |
| [18:08:16] | Beirdo: | argh. what's the "use Qt painter" commandline option again? |
| [18:08:17] | wagnerrp: | for whatever reason, the recording on multiplex 3 was at a higher priority than that on 1 |
| [18:08:23] | wagnerrp: | so 1 was stopped, and 3 was started |
| [18:08:27] | wagnerrp: | ThemePainter=qt |
| [18:08:33] | DaPsaille: | hummm ... there is no option that mythtv ask me what to do ? |
| [18:08:49] | DaPsaille: | and does this apply to planified recordings ? (i mean without notificaiton) ? |
| [18:09:07] | wagnerrp: | planified? scheduled? |
| [18:09:15] | Beirdo: | danke |
| [18:09:32] | DaPsaille: | sorry .... i was in livetv mode and i've pressed R key for the 3 precedent records |
| [18:09:37] | wagnerrp: | for scheduled recordings, you can review the list of upcoming recordings and resolve any recording conflicts you may come across manually |
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| [18:09:47] | Beirdo: | that works better |
| [18:09:55] | DaPsaille: | does the same thing will happen if i use Guide for my records ? |
| [18:10:03] | Beirdo: | using xrdp :) |
| [18:10:07] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what exactly happens when you use 'r' in livetv mode |
| [18:10:12] | Beirdo: | only to run mythtv-setup |
| [18:10:15] | DaPsaille: | r for record |
| [18:10:17] | wagnerrp: | i would have assumed once you had both tuners in ues |
| [18:10:26] | wagnerrp: | it would have simply not allowed you to access another multiplex |
| [18:10:43] | wagnerrp: | you would have been locked to those two muxes for livetv until one or the other recording finished |
| [18:10:48] | DaPsaille: | yes but it doesn't ask me or warn me that the first record will be stopped |
| [18:11:36] | DaPsaille: | .. you're right .. don't know how i did that .. :/ |
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| [18:23:37] | Beirdo: | for the HVR-2250 in analog mode... that's under what in mythtv-setup? |
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| [18:24:03] | wagnerrp: | backslash7: 0.24 is out in a couple weeks, no real sense bothering fixing it now |
| [18:24:23] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you set it up like an IVTV card, but the autodetection will not work |
| [18:24:30] | Beirdo: | ahhh. OK |
| [18:24:33] | wagnerrp: | you have to manually punch in the device node |
| [18:25:00] | Beirdo: | danke :) |
| [18:25:01] | wagnerrp: | its just a matter of it not matching what the input type is looking for when it enumerates the cards |
| [18:25:06] | Beirdo: | I was hoping so. |
| [18:25:43] | wagnerrp: | probably something we should get patched in before release |
| [18:26:13] | wagnerrp: | stephen is still around, or at least in the channel |
| [18:26:28] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [18:28:19] | tgm4883: | whats the timeout on the frontend in livetv waiting to change channels? |
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| [18:39:50] | Beirdo: | oh joy :) |
| [18:40:09] | Beirdo: | to use the USB serial on the DirecTV box, seems you need a power cycle. |
| [18:40:12] | ** Beirdo waits.... ** | |
| [18:40:32] | Beirdo: | DirecTV boxes are not known for fast startups |
| [18:43:25] | cromag: | hello, i just rebooted my ubuntu box, and find my load quite "high" and see the mythbackend being in an uninterruptable sleep |
| [18:43:41] | cromag: | my box is clearly working, what could cause this ? |
| [18:43:46] | cromag: | frontend is not active |
| [18:46:23] | Beirdo: | didn't work. trying the red reset button |
| [18:47:15] | Beirdo: | and now I wait again |
| [18:47:39] | Beirdo: | cromag: use top. |
| [18:48:02] | Beirdo: | if you just rebooted, load may be high as crap is still starting up (gotta love upstart) |
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| [18:48:47] | cromag: | hmm, looks like my conf has not been saved or something |
| [18:50:51] | cromag: | well, something else is wrong, it seems |
| [18:52:28] | cromag: | oh |
| [18:52:30] | cromag: | i changed my hostname |
| [18:53:06] | cromag: | could that screw things up maybe ? |
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| [18:54:18] | cromag: | ah |
| [18:54:21] | Gibby_2: | Beirdo, which STB do you have? |
| [18:54:23] | cromag: | heh i just found info |
| [18:54:30] | wagnerrp: | yes, all settings are stored in a shared database, indexed by hostname |
| [18:54:36] | Beirdo: | urgh |
| [18:54:40] | Beirdo: | still nada |
| [18:55:26] | Beirdo: | H23 (I think) and a couple D12 |
| [18:56:23] | Gibby_2: | ahh, i have the stupid d11-i... been trying to get the usb to serial to work, however my usb is already taken to receive the single, everytime i send a signal to it, it goes blank |
| [18:58:43] | BLZbubba: | ok i have a card with HDA NVidia sound – is it possible for this sound to go to my receiver instead of through the HDMI cable? |
| [18:58:56] | BLZbubba: | or should my tv have an spdif-out? or other |
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| [18:59:26] | Gibby_2: | does your FE have SPDIF out? |
| [19:00:07] | BLZbubba: | no |
| [19:00:16] | BLZbubba: | otherwise this would be much easier :) |
| [19:00:25] | Gibby_2: | does your receiver do HDMI switching? |
| [19:00:30] | BLZbubba: | no |
| [19:00:38] | BLZbubba: | the next one i buy definitely will |
| [19:00:49] | Gibby_2: | you are stuck then unless your TV has spdif out |
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| [19:04:49] | cromag: | it seems to be liking me a bit more now. |
| [19:05:08] | Beirdo: | kormoc: you in? |
| [19:25:18] | Beirdo: | grr |
| [19:25:21] | Beirdo: | sorry, H21 |
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| [19:44:27] | backslash7: | Hi, I just installed 0.23 and ran mythtv-setup but when I tell it to scan for channels, it says "Failed to finy any new channels!". I have the Hauppauge PVR-350 with the ivtv driver. Any help appreciated! |
| [19:45:16] | kormoc: | Where in the world are you? |
| [19:45:25] | kormoc: | Beirdo, mornin' |
| [19:46:21] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:46:46] | Beirdo: | any tricks to getting the directv.pl working in your system? |
| [19:46:47] | backslash7: | kormoc: I live in Switzerland. The first time I used mythtv (almost a year back) I did the exact same thing and it found all my usual TV channels. |
| [19:47:22] | kormoc: | Beirdo, directv.pl port /dev/ttyUSB0 box_type H20 retries 10 setup_channel $1 |
| [19:47:48] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [19:48:00] | Beirdo: | it's timing out every time |
| [19:48:04] | kormoc: | backslash7, I'd suggest double checking your frequency table selected, but other then that |
| [19:48:08] | kormoc: | Beirdo, reboot the box |
| [19:48:16] | Beirdo: | I have... twice now |
| [19:48:20] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [19:48:28] | Beirdo: | once with power cord, once with red reset button |
| [19:48:31] | backslash7: | kormoc: I simply selected europe-west since that was the only one that made sense... |
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| [19:51:50] | Beirdo: | resetting again |
| [19:54:13] | Beirdo: | I'm wondering if these little null modem adapters AREN'T null modem |
| [19:59:37] | backslash7: | kormoc: I'm just doing a full scan using "scantv" and it's finding all my usual channels – why can't mythtv do the same and how do I tell it which frequencies my channels are on? |
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| [19:59:57] | backslash7: | kormoc: takes ages though... |
| [20:05:05] | backslash7: | I know now that e.g. channel "SF 2" = SE13, how do I tell that to mythtv if it can't figure it out on its own? |
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| [20:13:50] | backslash7: | oh man |
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| [20:15:02] | Beirdo: | none of the three receivers are happy |
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| [20:16:26] | Beirdo: | meh, I'm gonna go eat some brunch |
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| [20:19:01] | mrjn: | hey guys, I want to change channels on my STB (rng110, comcast). I tried ir blaster, and it doesn't work! So, I'm thinking of using firewire |
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| [20:19:45] | mrjn: | so, the question is: does it work? 2. my hd-pvr doesn't have any firewire connection, so do I need to buy a firewire pci card for my computer? |
| [20:21:11] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use firewire for capture and channel changing, yes, you need a firewire card |
| [20:23:02] | mrjn: | wagnerrp, don't know if the capture would work w/ firewire, but yeah.. need to change channels for sure. |
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| [22:32:17] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [22:32:29] | Beirdo: | null modem adapters are not nullmodem |
| [22:32:31] | Beirdo: | idiots |
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| [22:37:44] | BLZbubba: | plymouth+upstart == the downfall of linux |
| [22:38:21] | [R]: | i musta missed something |
| [22:38:24] | [R]: | cuz that makes no sense |
| [22:40:27] | BLZbubba: | hmm is there a trick to getting into #mythbuntu? |
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| [22:41:12] | [R]: | you just join it with a SANE client? |
| [22:41:21] | [R]: | or join #ubuntu-mythtv if your client is braindead |
| [22:42:22] | BLZbubba: | how do you define sane |
| [22:42:39] | [R]: | well if your client doesnt support redirection |
| [22:42:40] | [R]: | its crap |
| [22:43:35] | BLZbubba: | it is irssi |
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| [22:44:25] | wagnerrp: | [R]: you use a scanner to access IRC? |
| [22:44:56] | [R]: | scanner? |
| [22:45:08] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: were you around for all the 'mythicallibrarian' crap? |
| [22:45:25] | wagnerrp: | SANE = scanner access now easy |
| [22:45:30] | wagnerrp: | its the linux scanner interface |
| [22:45:47] | [R]: | what does that havet o do with irc |
| [22:45:49] | [R]: | you confused me |
| [22:46:05] | wagnerrp: | you told him he needed a SANE client to access #mythbuntu |
| [22:46:20] | BLZbubba: | bah da bum |
| [22:46:23] | [R]: | rofl |
| [22:46:24] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeup |
| [22:46:33] | BLZbubba: | don't forget to tip your waitresses |
| [22:46:45] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: why is this guy so insistent on not checking DB schema versions? |
| [22:46:47] | BLZbubba: | ok, upstart is officially the downfall of linux |
| [22:46:57] | BLZbubba: | this is ridiculous |
| [22:47:02] | Beirdo: | null modems goin back... as they ain't null modem |
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| [22:47:18] | Beirdo: | BLZbubba: whatever. Linux != ubuntu |
| [22:47:30] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: not sure. laziness? |
| [22:48:02] | BLZbubba: | red hat 6 is apparently using it too – probably the main cause of the release date slipping |
| [22:48:04] | wagnerrp: | the man who writes a 2k line bash script is not lazy |
| [22:48:14] | wagnerrp: | stubborn? sure, insane? definately |
| [22:48:26] | wagnerrp: | but i wont call him lazy |
| [22:48:29] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:49:10] | wagnerrp: | its like he doesnt understand the use of good error codes |
| [22:49:18] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [22:49:21] | wagnerrp: | it will fail before it does any harm, so who cares |
| [22:49:56] | wagnerrp: | hes just piping all this crap through endless sed and grep, so hell get pretty far in his program with empty strings for data |
| [22:50:11] | BLZbubba: | ok, INIT_VERBOSE is at least a little bit useful |
| [22:50:40] | wagnerrp: | he asked something about command line access to the python bindings... not sure what he intends to do there |
| [22:50:58] | wagnerrp: | a bit frightened about what he would intend to do there |
| [22:50:59] | Beirdo: | and monoprice STILL isn't stocking F-F DB9 null modems |
| [22:51:07] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:51:12] | [R]: | Beirdo: i just checke dit |
| [22:51:20] | [R]: | i thought they did? |
| [22:51:21] | wagnerrp: | python isnt known for its 'one-liners' |
| [22:51:23] | [R]: | i added ti to my cart |
| [22:51:25] | Beirdo: | yeah, if he wants to use python bindings... use python! |
| [22:51:38] | Beirdo: | [R]: TBD and TBD |
| [22:51:51] | Beirdo: | unless you mean a 6ft cable |
| [22:51:55] | [R]: | lol |
| [22:51:58] | [R]: | you dindt specify length |
| [22:51:59] | Beirdo: | which is hardly an adapter |
| [22:52:15] | [R]: | Beirdo: they make little tiny adapters that you put on the end of a regular straight cable |
| [22:52:18] | [R]: | we have some of those at my work |
| [22:52:25] | Beirdo: | duh |
| [22:52:32] | Beirdo: | and they don't HAVE them |
| [22:52:36] | Beirdo: | that's my point |
| [22:52:46] | Beirdo: | the ones I bought off amazon... aren't null modems |
| [22:52:51] | Beirdo: | and are going back |
| [22:52:56] | [R]: | so wahts wrong with a cable? |
| [22:53:01] | Beirdo: | fulfilled by amazon, not sold by |
| [22:53:17] | Beirdo: | I don't need 12ft total of cabling. |
| [22:53:23] | Beirdo: | per receiver |
| [22:53:26] | Beirdo: | that's retarded |
| [22:53:30] | [R]: | lol |
| [22:53:50] | [R]: | what about get a gender changer |
| [22:53:59] | [R]: | with a m/f |
| [22:54:01] | [R]: | null mdoem |
| [22:54:07] | [R]: | their like 50 cents |
| [22:54:30] | Beirdo: | because it's lame? :) |
| [22:54:36] | [R]: | http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . amp;format=2 |
| [22:54:37] | [R]: | lol |
| [22:54:40] | Beirdo: | better than a 6ft cable |
| [22:55:32] | Beirdo: | and they are $0.88 :) |
| [22:55:33] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:55:37] | [R]: | lol |
| [22:55:47] | Beirdo: | oooh, $0.84 as I'm buying 3 |
| [22:55:57] | [R]: | lol |
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| [22:56:12] | Beirdo: | and I want it yesterday |
| [22:56:38] | Beirdo: | the little POS I have are the F-F gender changer |
| [22:56:49] | Beirdo: | and they are going back (as they were $4 each) |
| [22:57:01] | Beirdo: | and I'll wait for monoprice's ones to show |
| [22:58:34] | [R]: | can you use 2 sets of remote codes with 1 lirc reciever? |
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| [23:01:31] | wagnerrp: | depends on whether the receiver can accept arbitrary codes, or only the pre-programmed ones |
| [23:02:36] | [R]: | yes, it can |
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| [23:02:45] | [R]: | i'm talking about lirc itself |
| [23:03:40] | [R]: | with my serial ir receiver it can take anything you throw at it... but i want it to have my audio receiver codes and another set of codes |
| [23:04:01] | [R]: | i want the tv to pick up when the volume changes and have myth show the osd on the screen, so i get visual feedback when changing the channel |
| [23:04:09] | [R]: | i want the computer* |
| [23:05:26] | Beirdo: | fugh! |
| [23:05:47] | Beirdo: | I guess I need to decide how I want to do this |
| [23:06:10] | Beirdo: | I think my HVR-2250 will not get any use for a few days as I'll have no way to change channels |
| [23:06:20] | Beirdo: | I'll use the one working cableset with the HDPVR |
| [23:06:41] | Beirdo: | I bought a single overpriced nullmodem M-F at Rat Shack |
| [23:07:10] | [R]: | lol |
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| [23:10:00] | Beirdo: | Hmmm |
| [23:10:16] | Beirdo: | I don't feel like setting up lirc and moving the mceusb |
| [23:10:40] | Beirdo: | as then I'd have to get it working with the hdhomerun to control the frontend |
| [23:10:49] | russell5: | hey quick serial cable question seeing that you are talking about it. if i didnt have a null modem cable would i just get a time out with the serial channel changer program |
| [23:11:06] | BLZbubba: | ok cool, init=/bin/bash --login works, even though init=/bin/sh doesnt. weird |
| [23:11:19] | Beirdo: | russell5: certainly |
| [23:11:32] | russell5: | mmmm |
| [23:11:41] | Beirdo: | as the transmit line from the PC goes to the transmit line from the receiver |
| [23:11:49] | Beirdo: | rather than to the receive line |
| [23:11:49] | russell5: | i just assumed my cable box's serial port was disabled but i could not have a right cable |
| [23:11:58] | Beirdo: | there's no communication |
| [23:12:03] | russell5: | makes sense |
| [23:12:07] | [R]: | russell5: well check if the pins are straight or crossed |
| [23:12:22] | Beirdo: | at least in my setup, that as precisely my issue with the directv setup |
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| [23:15:11] | wagnerrp: | 1350VA UPS at Frys, for anyone with one around |
| [23:15:25] | wagnerrp: | $80 |
| [23:15:30] | [R]: | is that good? |
| [23:15:46] | wagnerrp: | retail for one that large is usually $150-$200 |
| [23:15:49] | Beirdo: | not bad, what brand? |
| [23:15:58] | wagnerrp: | cyberpower, ive got one in my basement |
| [23:16:07] | wagnerrp: | works well enough, needs a serial port for communication |
| [23:16:12] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:16:22] | Beirdo: | woohoo |
| [23:16:38] | Beirdo: | serial channel changing perfectly on the first receiver |
| [23:16:41] | russell5: | howhow can i tell if its a null modem calbe? its just one i use at work to connect to our swicthes |
| [23:16:54] | Beirdo: | is it DB9? |
| [23:17:09] | Beirdo: | take a multimeter and beep out pin 1 -> pin 1 |
| [23:17:12] | Beirdo: | etc |
| [23:17:34] | Beirdo: | 2 and 3 are Rx/Tx (maybe Tx/Rx) IIRC |
| [23:18:07] | [R]: | its only 9 pins... not hard to test them all |
| [23:18:22] | russell5: | maybee ill just get a null modem adapter and try again. lol (dont have a multimeter) |
| [23:18:38] | [R]: | how do you test your batteries then? |
| [23:19:18] | russell5: | lol i put them and and see is the device works. lol i should get one |
| [23:19:18] | Beirdo: | 7 (IIRC) should go straight through (GNS) |
| [23:19:21] | wagnerrp: | gotta test em all |
| [23:19:22] | Beirdo: | GND even |
| [23:19:32] | [R]: | gotta catch them all! |
| [23:19:38] | Beirdo: | Tx, Rx, GND are the most important :) |
| [23:19:48] | [R]: | russell5: but what happens if there is 4 batteries and only 1 is dead? |
| [23:19:51] | wagnerrp: | catch what? |
| [23:20:02] | [R]: | i dunno |
| [23:20:05] | [R]: | you said gotta test them all |
| [23:20:08] | russell5: | i waste batteries i guess |
| [23:20:14] | wagnerrp: | all the pins |
| [23:20:35] | [R]: | i hate when you put the positive and negative backwards |
| [23:20:39] | [R]: | and it says its a negative voltage |
| [23:20:48] | [R]: | some guy at work tried explaining it to me but that didnt help |
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| [23:22:28] | russell5: | now im going buy a null modem adapter just to make sure. i would be sooo happy if i could get rid of the ir blaster |
| [23:22:59] | ** [R] uses firewire ** | |
| [23:23:01] | [R]: | its pretty XTREME |
| [23:23:20] | wagnerrp: | 'will this UPS work for sump pumps?' |
| [23:23:26] | wagnerrp: | some times you just want to stab people... |
| [23:24:01] | [R]: | wagnerrp: why? is there something i'm missing? |
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| [23:24:14] | wagnerrp: | you run a sump pump to keep your basement dry |
| [23:24:21] | [R]: | ok... |
| [23:24:24] | wagnerrp: | you need to run it frequently |
| [23:24:29] | Beirdo: | you COULD hang the UPS from the ceiling :) |
| [23:24:33] | [R]: | so thats why he wants to put it on a ups |
| [23:24:36] | [R]: | incase the power goes out |
| [23:24:36] | wagnerrp: | 5 minutes of power for your sump pump isnt going to get you much |
| [23:24:45] | [R]: | oh... its not a veyr big battery |
| [23:24:53] | [R]: | i've seen upss that do like 30 minutes |
| [23:24:53] | Beirdo: | well, yeah |
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| [23:24:59] | wagnerrp: | if your power is out for so long that the amount of water in your basement becomes a problem |
| [23:25:02] | Beirdo: | get a diesel genset |
| [23:25:11] | wagnerrp: | that little bit of stored capacity isnt going to do squat |
| [23:25:21] | bjd: | wouldn't a dehumifidier (or however you spell it) be in your basement? |
| [23:25:41] | wagnerrp: | [R]: it all depends on your load |
| [23:25:43] | [R]: | bjd: that removes humidity in the air |
| [23:26:00] | bjd: | no shit sherlock |
| [23:26:03] | wagnerrp: | my 1250VA unit running in the basement will run for maybe 5 minutes at full load |
| [23:26:24] | wagnerrp: | it runs for maybe 20 minutes at the 300–350W load i typically have on it |
| [23:26:41] | bjd: | we don't really have basements :) |
| [23:26:52] | wagnerrp: | or if i shut down everything but the modem, router, switches, and access points, it will run that 20W of load for most of the day |
| [23:27:27] | wagnerrp: | those units are not linear |
| [23:27:35] | wagnerrp: | the faster you pull power, the less total energy you can use |
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| [23:32:55] | cleith: | hello |
| [23:33:09] | cleith: | anybody here today? |
| [23:33:27] | bjd: | no |
| [23:33:34] | cleith: | nice |
| [23:34:50] | cleith: | anybody got an idea why my setup might stutter when the OSD is up? I have pretty decent hardware and using VDPAU. Not sure what to check. |
| [23:35:26] | bjd: | what are you doing when it stutters? |
| [23:35:41] | bjd: | watching something or just using the OSD? |
| [23:36:05] | bjd: | and what hardware? |
| [23:36:12] | bjd: | and versions? |
| [23:36:53] | cleith: | either watching live tv or something recorded. notice it most on volume change. say if I press up volume a few times, playback seems to stutter with each key press. |
| [23:36:59] | cleith: | myth 0.23.1 |
| [23:37:22] | cleith: | are there any known issues? |
| [23:37:40] | bjd: | don't think so |
| [23:37:53] | cleith: | does yours stutter? |
| [23:38:02] | wagnerrp: | what is 'decent hardware'? |
| [23:38:32] | bjd: | mine is fine across a variety of hardware |
| [23:39:58] | cleith: | i5 quad. 4GB ram. nvidia 9800. hdpvr. |
| [23:40:31] | wagnerrp: | you should probably just use the opengl renderer, instead of vdpau |
| [23:41:07] | cleith: | really. i thought VDPAU was best if it worked? |
| [23:41:40] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU is best if you need hardware acceleration if it worked |
| [23:42:18] | cleith: | ok, I might give that a try. |
| [23:44:12] | cleith: | anybody know about playing dvd ISOs? recently I have ripped a bunch using brasero but they fail to play with myth. usually the menu comes up, but once you choose play movie it aborts. anybody know what might be going on there? |
| [23:45:04] | cleith: | also fails with totem, so it is not really a myth problem per say, but just wondered if anyone had some experience with it. |
| [23:47:28] | cleith: | no takers on that one? |
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| [23:50:10] | cleith: | wagnerrp: bjd: I have to split. Thanks for the suggestions. |
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| [23:52:29] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [23:53:00] | Beirdo: | not getting any luma on the second HVR-2250 connection (using svideo) |
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| [23:53:15] | Beirdo: | wonder if the receiver's just being stupid |
| [23:56:51] | stoth: | my fricken mythbackend doesn't auto start on boot. |
| [23:57:00] | stoth: | new 10.04 ism I guess |
| [23:57:38] | Beirdo: | loose cable |
| [23:58:16] | Beirdo: | can't actually use the HVR-2250 live until I get replacement null modem cables for tuning, but... mplayer likes it fine :) |
| [23:59:02] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [23:59:17] | Beirdo: | stoth: likely an upstart-related issue, I'd bet |
| [23:59:35] | stoth: | Beirdo: hmm, maybe. Grrr. |
| [23:59:48] | Beirdo: | I'm not an upstart fan |
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