Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, September 24th, 2010, 00:03 UTC

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you around?

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wagnerrp:

anyone around with a hdhomerun?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I'm here now

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Beirdo:

what's up?

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wagnerrp:

you start recording yet?

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Beirdo:

heh, yah

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wagnerrp:

let me know if you have any problems with multirec on your hahr

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wagnerrp:

hdhr

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wagnerrp:

im seeing the same issues i did months ago

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Beirdo:

oh?

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wagnerrp:

when one show on multirec terminates, it takes down the whole tuner

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Beirdo:

I could schedule a multirec for later today

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pyther:

grr I was lied to

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pyther:

I forced a recording and it recording the other shows :(

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: OK... 9–10, I have Grey's Anatomy

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Beirdo:

9:30–11:30 got a movie on the -SD channel

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wagnerrp:

oh yeah, its all hosed up now

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Beirdo:

that should show if I see the same issue here

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Beirdo:

sound good?

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Beirdo:

(that's 4h from now)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, when greys finishes, it should close out the tuner and kill the movie as well

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Beirdo:

that's my expectation, yeah

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Beirdo:

or it will just work :)

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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Beirdo:

only time will tell :)

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sqiush102:

can a hdhr record more than 2 shows on one tuner?

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Beirdo:

if there's more than 2 channels on the multiplex, I can't see why not

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sqiush102:

ahhh, that is good to know, maybe I should up that setting and see what happens

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Beirdo:

you'd need more than 2 virtual tuners and good network connectivity from the HDHR to the backend

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Beirdo:

i.e. not wireless, not 10mbit :)

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wagnerrp:

for now, i would recommend sticking with one virtual tuner per physical tuner on the HDHR

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sqiush102:

at the moment, it sees 4 tuners and can record fine, and it is gigabit, but i think the hdhr is only 100

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wagnerrp:

a single HDHR cannot push more than 78mbps

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Beirdo:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

thats the maximum data it can pull from its two tuners

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Beirdo:

I have used 2 virtual before, but I think the scheduling coincided

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sqiush102:

i cannot work out what 4 HD recordings would push through

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wagnerrp:

78mbps, maximum

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Beirdo:

each multiples maxes at 39mbps.

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Beirdo:

is that OTA only, or does that apply on QAM o?

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Beirdo:

too?

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wagnerrp:

QAM is roughly double that of OTA

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sqiush102:

i'm connected to TW QAM

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Beirdo:

so that number is for QAM?

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Beirdo:

and OTA maxes around 20?

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wagnerrp:

19.4 i believe

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Beirdo:

K.

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Beirdo:

I'm just trying to wrap my head around it :)

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sqiush102:

what is a simple tool to tell my the speed going over eth0?

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wagnerrp:

ethtool

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Beirdo:

I know I usually see around 25mbit/s on the ethernet when recording two channels

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Beirdo:

cacti :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

you mean the actual data rate? not the link speed?

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wagnerrp:

i use ifstat for instantaneous readings

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Beirdo:

mine hit 30mbps a couple days back

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Beirdo:

at 8pm

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Beirdo:

on Monday, it seems

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

that sounds about right

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wagnerrp:

i was at 35 between 8 and 830, when things were actually recording properly

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Beirdo:

I'm recording HDPVR right now

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Beirdo:

prime time us ususally when my hd homerun gets a workout

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fedorared:

iftop is another way to display interface transfer.

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sqiush102:

lol Beirdo, mine is also working overtime too

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sqiush102:

10 hours a night of HD recordings

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Beirdo:

I wish my antenna were better sometimes

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Beirdo:

anywho...

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sqiush102:

26Mb/s with 2 HD recordings. one tuner + 1 virtual on hdhr

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tgm4883:

any reason why channels have to have the same callsign in order to be considered to have the same data? Wouldn't it make more sense to detect it based on xmlid?

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wagnerrp:

because they may not have the same xmlid

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wagnerrp:

say youve got an analog and digital version of the same channel

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wagnerrp:

arguably the same shows

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wagnerrp:

but different information, different flags on the content, so different xmlid

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mrjn_:

guys, am wondering how sync'ed up are schedulesdirect.org and zap2it?

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wagnerrp:

mrjn_: what do you mean?

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mrjn_:

If the shows that scheduledirect.org shows are the same as zap2it.com.. because zap2it shows correct listings for my zip code

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mrjn_:

but, I'm not so sure about scheduledirect.org, it seems to be somewhat out of sync.. though, I admit I haven't looked deeply

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, ok, but you could do it on same XML ID

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wagnerrp:

zap2ip and schedulesdirect both pull data from Tribune Media Services

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wagnerrp:

it should be the same exact data

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tgm4883:

for instance, if you have an HDPVR and QAM tuner

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mrjn_:

wagnerrp: I see. Any particular reason I can't just use zap2it login for my mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

in fact, when you download from your SD account, its actually a redirect to one of the TMS servers

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wagnerrp:

mrjn_: because TMS no longer provides such data for free

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wagnerrp:

they used to, at labs.zap2it.com

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wagnerrp:

but too many commercial entities were abusing the resource

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, just makes sense to me. As it is right now, i have to manually set the callsigns the same now

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wagnerrp:

so they terminated it

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tgm4883:

even though the xmlid is identical

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wagnerrp:

which is why SD was started up to license the same information

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mrjn_:

wagnerrp: I see. okay, I'll try with scheduledirect.org, and see how it works. Thanks! :-)

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Beirdo:

OK, time to go do a lousy BIOS update :)

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Beirdo:

which means pulling the machine apart to put the video card back in

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wagnerrp:

crap... theyre all failing

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Wicked:

hmm. anyone know if mythweb will work with proxing it through another apache?

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Wicked:

or hmm

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wagnerrp:

streaming will not work well

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wagnerrp:

but normal access should be fine

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Wicked:

i had issues with proxying it a couple months back

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Wicked:

couldnt get it to load right by proxying through apache

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Wicked:

hmm. is svn.mythtv.org/ down?

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Wicked:

damn..just my luck lol

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mrjn_:

guys, I just connected my hd-pvr to mythtv, but when I access live tv, it just hangs

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mrjn_:

that means issues with my setup?

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mrjn_:

anybody?

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NightMonkey:

So, anyone using arm architectures for MythTV FEs?

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NightMonkey:

Got any success stories?

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wagnerrp:

horrid failure

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wagnerrp:

theyve got no powah

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Dang it, I said success stories. ;)

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Yah, I was hoping that things might be different today.

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: What'd you try?

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wagnerrp:

the fact that Arm systems have no computational power

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wagnerrp:

every single Arm based media player relies on a hardware video decoder or DSP

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wagnerrp:

because it doesnt have the power for software decoding

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wagnerrp:

and nearly all of those are closed source drivers, locked behind NDAs, and completely unusable to mythtv or any other open source project without a /huge/ amount of power

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: That's okay, though, right? To have separate graphics processing?

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Ah.

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Dang it again.

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Well, thanks for the status.

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wagnerrp:

dont expect that to change

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wagnerrp:

why do you want an Arm frontend?

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Purely for playing around. I'm getting quite fond of ARM-ish devices, and thought I might branch out from making routers and asterisk servers out of them.

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Wicked:

hmm. im not sure if i asked this before..but does mythtv keep a list of shows it did not record but was supposed to? like it didnt record due to a conflict

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Wicked:

or if it missed one due to being offline

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: My next "real" FE will likely be an Atom + decent GPU MicroATX box.

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wagnerrp:

why not get a real CPU?

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Criggie:

depends – atoms are good for their thing

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wagnerrp:

what advantage does an Atom provide?

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: I like the low power aspect.

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wagnerrp:

real processors are low power

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Criggie:

right

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Criggie:

lowER

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Criggie:

picky bastards

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wagnerrp:

there is the law of diminishing returns

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Criggie:

and they're cheapER too

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wagnerrp:

not significantly

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Sure. That law applies everywhere. :)

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Criggie:

I don't know about your location, but here a board with atom CPU is $200, about the same price as a sempron nasty.

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NightMonkey:

Criggie: Which is cheaper?

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wagnerrp:

around here, you can pick up a mini-itx board with a 3GHz, dual core processor

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Criggie:

NightMonkey: the one that costs the less money.

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wagnerrp:

(for under $200)

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NightMonkey:

...

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Fanless?

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Criggie:

NightMonkey: nasty sempron for $200 plus a board or $200 for board and CPU

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wagnerrp:

if you slap a big enough heatsink on it

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wagnerrp:

most Atom systems cant (or at least shouldnt) be run fanless either

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wagnerrp:

all the small little 1" systems have fans

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wagnerrp:

and most of the cases ive seen people put fanless zotac boards in dont have enough airflow for fanless

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Yah, Airflow counts big.

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Beirdo:

frig

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Beirdo:

OK... BIOS updated

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Beirdo:

and I need to buy a 120mm fan grille to keep my SATA cables out of the system fan

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Criggie:

wagnerrp: btw – your $ != my $

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** NightMonkey 's BIOSense is tingling **

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Criggie:

Beirdo: cable ties ?

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wagnerrp:

Criggie: thats fine, around here, its about a 25% markup from a baseline ION system, and a fairly decent dual core system with a normal processor

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Beirdo:

ARGH

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Beirdo:

updated the BIOS... still no HVR-2250 in lspci

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** NightMonkey 's BIOSense stopped tingling **

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wagnerrp:

and you get all the advantages of having a lot of CPU power in reserve, should hardware acceleration not be possible

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wagnerrp:

either by corrupted video, bad video settings, complete lack of support of the codec, etc...

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Beirdo:

found tis out the hard way, BTW.

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Beirdo:

yanked one of the drive cables inadvertantly while moving them out of the fan

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wagnerrp:

ASIC decoding is nice, but it is not and never will be a panacea

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Low power and quiet is what I'm after for a FE. But, I'll push the upper limits to get some reserve oomph, sure.

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wagnerrp:

NightMonkey: what do you think of as 'low power'?

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wagnerrp:

give me a wattage

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: I dunno, less than 60–100 Watts? Haven't been doing comapring-and-contrasting for that lately.

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wagnerrp:

you can get modern desktop systems down under 30W

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wagnerrp:

the original ION and Atom units wouldnt even go that low

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Yah, I need to do more research. :)

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wagnerrp:

current ones run ~15W

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: At peak use?

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NightMonkey:

(aka "working hard")

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wagnerrp:

working hard, the desktop system may be 40–45W

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: And is that at-the-wall usage? Or just the CPU rating?

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wagnerrp:

the atom will be ~20

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wagnerrp:

thats total system consumption

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Interesting.

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Beirdo:

I hate computers

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NightMonkey:

Beirdo: Luckily, they are too dumb to hate you back. Yet.

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wagnerrp:

with average electrical rates, you get around $1/W/yr

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** Beirdo grumbles **

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Well, I have to wait to verify that, since I now live in a house with a "Smartmeter"...

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wagnerrp:

so if you run a desktop system all the time, that might cost you $30/yr, compared to $15/yr for an ION

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wagnerrp:

but thats only if you leave it on all the time

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wagnerrp:

there is no reason to do that with a dedicated frontend

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wagnerrp:

put it in standby when not in use

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Then WOL to wake it?

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Beirdo:

meh

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

youll run <$5/yr for both systems

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[R]:

i missed a ton of recordings today

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Beirdo:

stop talking sense

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[R]:

is there a way to get a list of them?

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Beirdo:

I would do wake on USB, and use the MSEUSB to wake it

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wagnerrp:

[R]: guide data is kept for 7 days

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Beirdo:

but I hate computers.

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[R]:

wagnerrp: ok... but how do i make a list of missed recordings

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

that information is not available

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Beirdo:

I'll try reseating... but I'm so tired of taking the PSU out

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[R]:

what if i go back in time

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wagnerrp:

you would have to re-implement the scheduler code, and then match what wasnt recorded

[02:46:54]

[R]:

then myth will tell me upcoming recordings

[02:47:19]

[R]:

will that make myth explode? if i set my time back?

[02:48:06]

NightMonkey:

Beirdo: ... MSEUSB ... ? Wassat?

[02:48:38]

wagnerrp:

an IR receiver

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NightMonkey:

[R]: You might blow out the flux capacitor that way.

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[R]:

bingo, that worked

[02:49:01]

[R]:

now to set it back before bad stuff happens

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[R]:

i missed 3 shows

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[R]:

:(

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Now this is why I love HDTV: http://imagebin.ca/view/Q_xuVY9.html (go full size to really see the pixellation). The entire video was like that because my local station's 7GB/hr wasn't enough for that kind of scene change. (More-properly encoded version at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kp_RLgU2Mc )

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NightMonkey:

(please don't be goatse)

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NightMonkey:

(whew)

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wagnerrp:

you mean they cant do strobes?

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sphery:

oh, this was way beyond strobes

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sphery:

the screen behind them was more active than a goom

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sphery:

[R]: Manage Recordings|Previously Recorded. Says what did and didn't record and why.

[02:54:06]

sphery:

wagnerrp: they may have been using a CBR or maybe just a poorly-allocated VBR

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[R]:

sphery: the computer was off

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[R]:

sphery: doesnt look like its listing anything i missed

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[R]:

sphery: but i got it by going back in time

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wagnerrp:

i got one good recording off my HDHR tonight

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wagnerrp:

the rest were all garbage

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sphery:

[R]: heh, yeah, guess that wouldn't record the reasons for missing them that way

[02:55:22]

[R]:

freakin ubuntu

[02:55:26]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, heard that... bad night to miss them

[02:55:29]

[R]:

this is like the THIRD time this has happened

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[R]:

it doesnt boot if something is screwy in fstab

[02:55:38]

sphery:

and /very/ bad that the HDHR issue is back--right before release, again

[02:55:50]

Beirdo:

ARGH

[02:55:50]

wagnerrp:

it was probably there all along

[02:55:53]

sphery:

(or, back, and we find out right before releaswe)

[02:55:55]

sphery:

yeah

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Beirdo:

L&O: SVU... bad recording

[02:56:05]

sphery:

but both times, it was right before release that we learned aobut it

[02:56:10]

wagnerrp:

it just happens that series premiers are the only time theres sufficient load to cause it

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[R]:

Beirdo: it was pretty aswesome

[02:56:36]

Beirdo:

I thought I told it to record NBC off the HDPVR

[02:56:52]

NightMonkey:

What show?

[02:57:11]

Beirdo:

I DID

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Beirdo:

dangit!

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Beirdo:

2 hours of crap

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Beirdo:

ummm

[02:58:44]

Beirdo:

WTH?

[02:58:56]

Beirdo:

and I told it to record a movie off HBO.

[02:59:03]

Beirdo:

this is L&O: SVU

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Beirdo:

hahaha

[02:59:31]

Beirdo:

stupid IR fail

[02:59:48]

sphery:

at least the HBO movie is likely to re-run...

[02:59:55]

sphery:

just edit title/subtitle and you're golden

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NightMonkey:

Hrm, I should try to see if I can send WOL over a WDS bridge.

[03:00:17]

sphery:

(or watch L&O right away and delete the "broken-metadata" recordign)

[03:00:38]

Beirdo:

yeah, but it's the END of L&O

[03:00:38]

Beirdo:

heh

[03:00:40]

Beirdo:

crap

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sphery:

oh, ... :(

[03:01:06]

Beirdo:

well, of the first hour

[03:01:15]

Beirdo:

movie started 9:55

[03:02:40]

** sphery considers watching TBBT, Community, 30 Rock, The Office, and Outsourced **

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sphery:

I don't think I can save them... I've missed them for so long

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mrjn_:

hey guys, I'm trying to install IR blaster in mythtv for my hd-pvr.. but can't find instructions which don't involve a kernel build. Any ideas?

[03:12:25]

Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

build a kernel...

[03:12:39]

Beirdo:

or use new Fedora

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Beirdo:

pretty sure the drivers are in the Fedora kernels

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mrjn_:

doesn't it work with Ubuntu 10.04 by default?

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

it's not in that kernel

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Beirdo:

If I understand right... 2.6.36 has it

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mrjn_:

ahh.. kernel build.. okay, let me check what kernel I have

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dashmatrix:

hi guys !

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dashmatrix:

anybody using MythTV on the Cincinnati Bell Fioptic network ?

[03:16:45]

wagnerrp:

you bastard

[03:16:54]

Beirdo:

hahaha

[03:17:02]

Beirdo:

now now, wagnerrp. :)

[03:17:16]

wagnerrp:

dirty phone company

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dashmatrix:

did I say something wrong ?

[03:17:20]

Beirdo:

not that I wouldn't have connection envy too

[03:17:22]

wagnerrp:

im friggen 500ft from the DSLAM

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Beirdo:

heh, and they won't connect you?

[03:18:06]

wagnerrp:

lines at the top of the street, they just havent run them down the street

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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dashmatrix:

you in cincinnati ?

[03:18:26]

wagnerrp:

fort thomas

[03:18:32]

dashmatrix:

awesome !

[03:18:38]

dashmatrix:

Florence

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dashmatrix:

The video service sucks hard

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dashmatrix:

then blows

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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wagnerrp:

i figured it would be equivalent to verizon, considering theyre using the same tech

[03:19:40]

dashmatrix:

I'm hoping it's just the box

[03:19:40]

Beirdo:

Cincinnati Bell swallows...

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Beirdo:

or so it seems

[03:19:58]

dashmatrix:

It's a motorola

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dashmatrix:

their software is horrific

[03:20:14]

Beirdo:

mind you, Qwest is blech too

[03:20:56]

dashmatrix:

It looks like Time Warner had a mongoloid love child with Atari and he went to work for Cbell

[03:21:29]

dashmatrix:

I can hardly get an on demand show to play after 9pm

[03:22:02]

dashmatrix:

and the DVR and program guide are so eff'd that it's useless as well

[03:22:26]

dashmatrix:

what service are you using the Myth TV on ?

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wagnerrp:

insight analog

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dashmatrix:

you like it ?

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wagnerrp:

id like to keep it

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dashmatrix:

but

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wagnerrp:

but theyre dropping analog spring next year

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Beirdo:

awww

[03:23:35]

wagnerrp:

so ive got to switch to those crummy DTAs

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Beirdo:

DirecTV here

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Beirdo:

and OTA

[03:23:58]

dashmatrix:

what are DTAs ?

[03:24:13]

dashmatrix:

digital to analog converters

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dashmatrix:

?

[03:24:19]

wagnerrp:

you remember those little broadcast tuner boxes from last year?

[03:24:23]

wagnerrp:

effectively the same thing

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Beirdo:

little pieces of crapola

[03:24:47]

wagnerrp:

only picked up channels that were formerly available on analog

[03:24:51]

dashmatrix:

is there a way to run a myth setup with an M card ?

[03:24:54]

wagnerrp:

no video outputs, only modulated rf

[03:24:57]

wagnerrp:

sort of

[03:25:21]

wagnerrp:

there are people running mythtv with M cards

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wagnerrp:

primarily people who work for silicondust, and have access to pre-release hardware

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dashmatrix:

I'm trying to determin whether I need to get a PhD in cable TV and build a myth setup or just buy a couple Tivo premieres and call it a day with M Cards

[03:26:27]

wagnerrp:

cablecards are a DRM scheme

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wagnerrp:

and as a full DRM scheme, they only work with systems that can maintain such protection over the content

[03:26:50]

wagnerrp:

mythtv cannot do so

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wagnerrp:

so... it will never get licensed for use with cablecards

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wagnerrp:

however... stuff that is encrypted over the line, but is otherwise marked 'copy freely' is not covered over such DRM

[03:27:29]

dashmatrix:

so I'm looking at Tivo then right ?

[03:27:53]

wagnerrp:

so you can access that content using a HDHR Prime (when its released) or a Ceton capture card (when its released and the drivers are written)

[03:28:19]

wagnerrp:

but youre at the whim of the cable company as to what content will actually be DRM free

[03:28:21]

dashmatrix:

whats ETA on those

[03:28:25]

wagnerrp:

which may be exactly nothing

[03:28:29]

Beirdo:

oooh, Big Bang Theory and Bones...

[03:28:30]

wagnerrp:

its a crapshoot

[03:28:39]

Beirdo:

ahh, I like being in the new season

[03:28:40]

wagnerrp:

do the Fioptic boxes have firewire?

[03:28:46]

dashmatrix:

Your talking CC flags right ?

[03:29:08]

dashmatrix:

Sorry I'm a noob still

[03:29:15]

dashmatrix:

a TV nudnik

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wagnerrp:

youve got 'copy freely', 'copy once', and 'copy never'

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wagnerrp:

the first one, mythtv will be able to use

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wagnerrp:

the second one, cablelabs licensed software and hardware will be able to use

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wagnerrp:

the third one, is playback only, no dvr support

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dashmatrix:

I'm told Cbell just removed all CC flags on all but HBO

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dashmatrix:

and Premiums

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Beirdo:

and now... 30 Rock and $..! My Dad Says

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wagnerrp:

anyway, since theyre now broadcasting using standard cable mechanisms, and using cable hardware

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wagnerrp:

they are probably covered under the same regulations and stipulations as any other cable provider

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wagnerrp:

including the one where they are required to provide you with a firewire-capable box upon request

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Beirdo:

both OTA

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Beirdo:

oh wait. no. 30 Rock on HDPVR. :)

[03:31:58]

Beirdo:

anyways, I'm babbling

[03:32:04]

wagnerrp:

if you can get a firewire box, and can set up recording off of it

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wagnerrp:

the same content that you will have access to there, you will have access to in mythtv with a cablecard tuner

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dashmatrix:

what about esata

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wagnerrp:

what about esata?

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dashmatrix:

same rules with esata as firewire

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dashmatrix:

?

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wagnerrp:

you plug hard drives into esata

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wagnerrp:

you cannot connect to computers using it

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dashmatrix:

don't think my box has firewire

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wagnerrp:

or a computer and a cable box

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dashmatrix:

oh I see what you mean

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dashmatrix:

you would use the firewire to attach an initiator not a target

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dashmatrix:

gotcha

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[R]:

w t f... the person on -users talking about 'thin client' but then talkinga bout putting a 500gb hard drive in it... how is that a thin client?

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wagnerrp:

whether you can record to a hard drive on that esata port, and subsequently remove the drive, plug it into a computer, and access it... i dont know

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Beirdo:

[R]: calm the language a touch, eh? :)

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[R]:

Beirdo: language?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: yes, they do not know what a thin client is

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Beirdo:

and yeah, there are some lusers on that list

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wagnerrp:

ive been resisting correcting that thread all day

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NightMonkey:

That's a "husky" client.

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[R]:

HAHA

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NightMonkey:

"Pleasantly Plump" client, perhaps.

[03:36:14]

dashmatrix:

Fioptics is running 99 channels of analog

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NightMonkey:

So, anyone make use of the S-Video input on the HDPVR? Is it "decent" in capture quality for SD content?

[03:36:19]

wagnerrp:

but im sure theyll say 'nuh uh, anything where you split off normal tasks to a central server makes it a thin client by definition'

[03:36:32]

wagnerrp:

so that makes mythtv itself a thin client, right?

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Beirdo:

NightMonkey: why would you use an HDPVR for that?

[03:36:39]

wagnerrp:

and... 'nuh uh, you just dont get it man'

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Beirdo:

it's for recording HD...

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dashmatrix:

you can diconnect their box and plug it right into your tv

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wagnerrp:

dashmatrix: they have analog? why?

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Beirdo:

waste of money to use an HDPVR for solely SD

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NightMonkey:

Beirdo: a) I'm a slow spender. b) I'm going to slowly transition into HD. c) I thought I'd start with HDPVR first, then upgrade television/sat subscription.

[03:37:23]

wagnerrp:

and 99 channels worth, thats an awful lot

[03:37:24]

Beirdo:

I'm sure it works fine, but why? :)

[03:37:30]

Beirdo:

K

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dashmatrix:

channels above 99 are digital and require the box

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wagnerrp:

only leaves what? 2Gbps for digital channels?

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Beirdo:

heh, I haven't tried it in that config, but if you are planning to upgrade... it probably works fine

[03:38:11]

NightMonkey:

Beirdo: I thought it might be nice to get the hardware all set and ready to go, so swapping cables is the last step.

[03:38:13]

[R]:

NightMonkey: sd is crap no matter how you do it

[03:38:24]

NightMonkey:

[R]: Goodness.

[03:38:24]

Beirdo:

NightMonkey: it should work

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dashmatrix:

I'm just telling you what the install tech told me

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wagnerrp:

say... 60 HD, 250 SD, and a bunch of audio?

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Beirdo:

[R]: uh huh. it wasn't "crap" for over 50 years.

[03:38:40]

NightMonkey:

Beirdo: Thanks.

[03:38:49]

[R]:

Beirdo: thats because people didn't know any better

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dashmatrix:

I took the box off and attached the raw cable from the ONT to my TV...

[03:39:19]

wagnerrp:

they dont have to carry internet on that signal, so its not /as/ bad as cable

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dashmatrix:

lots of local stuff

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wagnerrp:

but thats still an awful lot of wasted bandwidth

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NightMonkey:

[R]: For most television, SD is quite enough... Do I really need to watch my local news in HD?

[03:39:41]

dashmatrix:

some basic cable type channels up to 99

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dashmatrix:

after that is is all garbled shiznit

[03:40:12]

Beirdo:

hahaha

[03:40:19]

Beirdo:

SVU had an IP address...

[03:40:25]

Beirdo:

5 numbers, all 5 digits

[03:40:27]

NightMonkey:

[R]: But, I'm gonna go there, just not yet. Heck, my Mom has HD now. I set her up with Plex and an old MacBook and an Asus 23" LCD and she's rocking.

[03:40:28]

[R]:

NightMonkey: the only SD i watch is trutv and tvland

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wagnerrp:

hehe

[03:40:47]

wagnerrp:

at least NCIS gets the count right, but the ranges are off

[03:41:03]

wagnerrp:

trying to access machines on the 7xx. class A

[03:41:11]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: yeah, and usually harder to notice 302.

[03:41:13]

dashmatrix:

is Ft. Thomas on the list for fioptics ?

[03:41:22]

Beirdo:

or 721

[03:41:26]

wagnerrp:

were one of the first areas

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Beirdo:

12532. is a dead give away

[03:41:39]

wagnerrp:

they started rolling around here it out last year

[03:41:44]

Beirdo:

they must be using IPv5

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dashmatrix:

are you eligible ?

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wagnerrp:

erm.. they started rolling it out around here last year

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Beirdo:

that's a rather personal question

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

the problem is theres no discernible pattern to it

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dashmatrix:

You don't have a choice is why I ask

[03:42:44]

wagnerrp:

theyve done some neighborhoods, mostly apartments

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Does Comcast have DOCSIS 3 in your area? Yes, I hate comcast, but the business Internet cable is pretty nice.

[03:43:14]

dashmatrix:

once they lay the fiber in your neighborhood you either get it or you lose your phone

[03:43:17]

wagnerrp:

but they will not publish any sort of plan, as theyre afraid the cableco will drop rates in those areas ahead of fioptic support

[03:43:27]

wagnerrp:

really....

[03:43:38]

wagnerrp:

so theyre dropping POTS support all together

[03:43:49]

wagnerrp:

NightMonkey: we dont have comcrap around here

[03:43:52]

dashmatrix:

yes. you ought to see all the crap they have to bolt on the side of your house

[03:43:57]

NightMonkey:

I get 30M down/10 up. Granted, that's $109/mo.

[03:43:58]

dashmatrix:

yes

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Ah.

[03:44:03]

dashmatrix:

no more pots

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wagnerrp:

it should only be a single box

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dashmatrix:

no no

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dashmatrix:

it's like 4

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dashmatrix:

they put a demark box up there first

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dashmatrix:

rip your old demark off

[03:44:58]

dashmatrix:

then they hang an ONT

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wagnerrp:

fiber in, split to three transducers

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dashmatrix:

the ont is enormous

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wagnerrp:

data in, data out, and a broadband one for coax

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dashmatrix:

bigger than my electric service panel

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NightMonkey:

Beirdo: You have any big complaints about your HDPVR?

[03:45:43]

dashmatrix:

then they put a UPS on there

[03:45:47]

NightMonkey:

Beirdo: Are you happy you got it?

[03:45:53]

Beirdo:

definitely happy

[03:46:01]

dashmatrix:

and have to mount a transformer inside your house to feed it

[03:46:02]

wagnerrp:

yeah, its supposed to run the local FXS for up to 8 hours

[03:46:04]

Beirdo:

occasionally you may need to power cycle

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NightMonkey:

Beirdo: Freezes?

[03:46:21]

Beirdo:

but rarely, I've found. yeah, freezes sometimes

[03:46:28]

Beirdo:

heat is one reason

[03:46:37]

NightMonkey:

Beirdo: You pretty religious about firmware updates?

[03:46:46]

Beirdo:

and IR receiver is problematic, so I electrical taped it

[03:46:46]

dashmatrix:

my big problem is the patch cable they run from the demark to the ONT

[03:46:52]

Beirdo:

never upgraded

[03:46:56]

Beirdo:

running 0x12

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Beirdo:

current is 0x15, I think

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NightMonkey:

Beirdo: Ah, heat. Does it have a fan (or fans)?

[03:47:21]

dashmatrix:

it looks like a little orange FDDI patch cable off a network panel

[03:47:27]

Beirdo:

I did the initial upgrade when I got it, left it since

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dashmatrix:

the wind could cink it up

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Beirdo:

I think it has a fan, but some people get offended by the blue LEDs, and shut them off

[03:47:54]

dashmatrix:

everything else is bulletproof

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if they let you hit their SIP servers with your own hardware

[03:48:05]

Beirdo:

which in some models, disables the fan too

[03:48:22]

dashmatrix:

how can I tell ?

[03:48:29]

NightMonkey:

Beirdo: Ah, electrical tape for the blazing blue, for sure.

[03:48:48]

wagnerrp:

grab any softphone software

[03:48:49]

NightMonkey:

Beirdo: Sad that heat kills it even with a fan.

[03:48:53]

wagnerrp:

and try to log into their server

[03:48:56]

wagnerrp:

where ever that might be

[03:49:01]

wagnerrp:

and with whatever the password might be

[03:49:16]

wagnerrp:

thats the problem, if they never gave you any documentation of the sort, theres a good chance they dont allow it

[03:49:27]

Beirdo:

oh, the heat-related are more often on ones with disabled fans, I think

[03:49:30]

dashmatrix:

they don't give you ANYTHING

[03:49:34]

Beirdo:

and in the summer when it gets hot

[03:49:43]

wagnerrp:

but it would be the kind of motivation i would need to finally set up asterisk

[03:49:46]

NightMonkey:

Beirdo: Ah, got it. Well, there's little competition for it, so...

[03:49:56]

dashmatrix:

they sent Comcast guys to install it...from chicago

[03:50:05]

wagnerrp:

huh?

[03:50:09]

dashmatrix:

yep

[03:50:23]

dashmatrix:

contract installers from comcast

[03:50:26]

wagnerrp:

then what are their own fioptic vans for?

[03:50:33]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: If you don't want to bother rolling your own asterisk, PBX In A Flash really rocks.

[03:51:02]

dashmatrix:

Haven't seen one yet

[03:51:13]

Beirdo:

hahah

[03:51:17]

wagnerrp:

theyve got a couple of them parked at the local DSLAM

[03:51:21]

wagnerrp:

and ive seen them driving around

[03:51:23]

Beirdo:

unrealistic explosion on SVU

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dashmatrix:

except the guys at the top of the street terminating the drops in the mux

[03:51:44]

Beirdo:

you ram a Jaguar into a truck, it doesn't explode in a huge fireball

[03:52:06]

wagnerrp:

surely not, it would splat with bones and gore going everywhere

[03:52:17]

dashmatrix:

J Daniels construction layed the fiber, Cbell installed the MUX at the head of the street and comcast did the residential install

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dashmatrix:

Comcast guys said it's the same motorola box they use in home market

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dashmatrix:

except Cbell has everything cool disbled.

[03:53:35]

dashmatrix:

like Moca

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NightMonkey:

J Daniels Construction... is that a joke? Jack Daniels Construction?

[03:54:12]

wagnerrp:

well, we do have a Jack bottling plant in town

[03:54:25]

dashmatrix:

no joke. they were drunk and cut the power for the whole weekend

[03:54:26]

wagnerrp:

it cant be the same box they use

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Beirdo:

heh

[03:54:35]

wagnerrp:

the ONT doesnt provide upstream over coax

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Beirdo:

there's more than one name that starts with J

[03:54:42]

wagnerrp:

so they route it over ethernet

[03:54:49]

dashmatrix:

no

[03:54:55]

wagnerrp:

or at least thats how verizon sets their up

[03:55:00]

dashmatrix:

the ONT puts out ofer coax

[03:55:08]

dashmatrix:

they used the old insight wiring

[03:55:27]

wagnerrp:

i mean they would use coax for video, and ethernet for communication

[03:55:29]

NightMonkey:

Ah, I see. "If I can't shee shtraight, well, none of you can either!"

[03:56:11]

NightMonkey:

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dashmatrix:

http://www.cincinnatibell.com/fioptics/tv/tv-equipment.aspx

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NightMonkey:

Hrm. Why'd Hauppage lower the price on the HDPVR? New model coming soon?

[03:58:01]

dashmatrix:

that's the boxs

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dashmatrix:

Motorola DCX3400 is what you get. Ciscos are not an option

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wagnerrp:

no new model in the works

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wagnerrp:

it was just time to lower the price

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dashmatrix:

was sorta wondering if the Myth setup supports Moca

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dashmatrix:

might be a dumb question

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea what moca is

[04:01:05]

wagnerrp:

chances are no

[04:01:19]

dashmatrix:

hmm

[04:01:43]

dashmatrix:

Multimedia over coax

[04:02:10]

dashmatrix:

basically ip between your cable boxes for streaming from one box to another.

[04:02:36]

dashmatrix:

they hardware supports it but they have it disabled in their software

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wagnerrp:

nope, nothing of that sort (as no hardware supports it)

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dashmatrix:

pretty much does the same thing myth does for backend to frontend except without ethernet

[04:03:37]

dashmatrix:

yeah figured it was dumb question

[04:04:02]

dashmatrix:

would be a nice feature though. you could use MoCa cable box as a Myth frontend

[04:05:20]

dashmatrix:

oh to live in a digitally free world

[04:05:34]

Beirdo:

you writing SciFi now?

[04:06:12]

dashmatrix:

yeah I know

[04:06:36]

dashmatrix:

you got directtv though so what do you have to complain about

[04:06:44]

dashmatrix:

they just reupped with tivo

[04:06:47]

NightMonkey:

dashmatrix: It was a digitally free world... not too long ago, in the grand scheme of things.

[04:07:00]

Beirdo:

screw tivo

[04:07:11]

dashmatrix:

pretty soon you'll be able to have a series 4 box

[04:07:26]

Beirdo:

I don't ever want tivo

[04:07:27]

dashmatrix:

you no like ?

[04:07:45]

Beirdo:

would I be in #mythtv-users if I did? :)

[04:07:45]

dashmatrix:

aww whats wrong with tivo ?

[04:08:07]

Beirdo:

litigious bastards

[04:08:28]

dashmatrix:

you could have both :)

[04:08:32]

dashmatrix:

two TV's

[04:08:33]

Beirdo:

and mythtv fits my needs

[04:08:44]

Beirdo:

I have no need or desire for tivo

[04:08:44]

NightMonkey:

Tivo is DRM central.

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dashmatrix:

so is building a Myth backend server expensive ?

[04:09:14]

Beirdo:

mildly

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Beirdo:

I just built a new one, about $800 before disks

[04:09:38]

dashmatrix:

I've got a few Dell poweredge 2950's

[04:09:48]

dashmatrix:

and a 14TB drobo

[04:09:50]

Beirdo:

now if only I can get it to like my HVR-2250

[04:10:34]

dashmatrix:

dunno if I can get a haup in the Dells though

[04:10:35]

NightMonkey:

dashmatrix: It's often difficult for first-time users to just take what's lying around and make a well-working myth box out of it. But, it's just TV.

[04:10:45]

NightMonkey:

dashmatrix: No reason not to try. :)

[04:10:48]

Beirdo:

oh take your "hair restoration" ads and shove em.

[04:11:25]

Beirdo:

if you want a good solution for hair loss... meet my trimmer.

[04:11:31]

Beirdo:

buzz yer head

[04:11:40]

Beirdo:

why fight the inevitable

[04:11:42]

NightMonkey:

Shoved. That wasn't pleasant.

[04:11:53]

NightMonkey:

dashmatrix: Keep it in the channel, no pms please.

[04:11:57]

Beirdo:

OMG

[04:12:08]

dashmatrix:

sorry

[04:12:08]

Beirdo:

the next ad is for a vibrator

[04:12:12]

Beirdo:

seriously

[04:12:32]

NightMonkey:

Does one cause the use of the other?

[04:12:36]

Beirdo:

hahah

[04:12:41]

Beirdo:

his and hers?

[04:13:02]

Beirdo:

he gets the hair product... she gets a better lover?

[04:13:03]

** NightMonkey can't go any farther on a family channel. **

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dashmatrix:

NightMonkey: so whats the best way

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Beirdo:

come ON md... finish recovering already

[04:13:50]

NightMonkey:

dashmatrix: The "best way"? No idea, it depends on what your goal is.

[04:13:54]

Beirdo:

mirroring 300G takes just too long

[04:14:42]

NightMonkey:

dashmatrix: Lots of guides out there. MythTV.org docs are a great way to start investigating.

[04:15:07]

dashmatrix:

Beirdo : have you seen the Drobos ?

[04:15:13]

NightMonkey:

dashmatrix: It's not as easy as going down to the store and buying a Tivo.

[04:15:33]

Beirdo:

nope

[04:15:38]

NightMonkey:

dashmatrix: But it isn't as hard as physics.

[04:15:44]

dashmatrix:

nightmonkey: I see that. which is actually a bonus.

[04:15:49]

Beirdo:

physics is easy :)

[04:16:00]

Beirdo:

shoulda said biochemistry :)

[04:16:32]

NightMonkey:

Beirdo: English major here. Physics is hard. ;) But I agree, Biochem is even harder.

[04:16:35]

dashmatrix:

drobos are sweet for video

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dashmatrix:

BeyondRAID

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dashmatrix:

like a RAID 5 but not

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wagnerrp:

except theyre designed for bulk storage, and have nothing to do with video

[04:18:00]

dashmatrix:

they are fast, people use them for AVID editing

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Beirdo:

I don't need blazing speed

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wagnerrp:

i dont know why you wouldnt just buy a desktop, and use software raid0 for video editing

[04:18:43]

Beirdo:

even 5400RPM drives are plenty for my uses

[04:18:46]

dashmatrix:

it's just an enclosure.

[04:18:57]

dashmatrix:

you put whatever drives you like in em

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dashmatrix:

they dynamically stripe and rebuild in the background

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Beirdo:

meh

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NightMonkey:

Beirdo: Don't you have trouble with concerrent writes with 5400 RPM drives? You have multiple tuners, right?

[04:19:45]

Beirdo:

no troubles at all

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Beirdo:

just how much data do you think we are pushing here? :)

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fedorared:

And it's not exactly random access

[04:20:22]

dashmatrix:

using any type of RAID or just PATA/SATA

[04:20:52]

Beirdo:

my system disks are mirrored (software raid)

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Beirdo:

data disks JBOD

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dashmatrix:

hmm

[04:21:22]

Beirdo:

storage groups removed any need to RAID them as I really don't care if I lose one

[04:21:32]

Beirdo:

it's just TV

[04:21:39]

Beirdo:

OK, I'd be mad, but meh

[04:21:40]

NightMonkey:

Beirdo: Interesting. I've been buying 7200 RPM drives for my SD stuff. Guess I was worried about the wrong thing in that case.

[04:21:52]

Beirdo:

what bitrate are you recording?

[04:21:57]

Beirdo:

4Mbit/s?

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NightMonkey:

2 to 12 Mb/s, IIRC.

[04:22:26]

Beirdo:

a modern 7200RPM drive does what? 60+ MByte/s?

[04:22:52]

Beirdo:

even at 12... you are a LONG way from needing that speed

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Beirdo:

sure they are nice :)

[04:23:18]

Beirdo:

but for encoded video storage... kinda overkill

[04:23:37]

NightMonkey:

Beirdo: I'm doing some other bad things, though... Like I have a LVM across two disks, but one disk also holds the system + DB.

[04:24:06]

NightMonkey:

Totally wrong, but I can only fit two drives in my shuttle...

[04:24:10]

Beirdo:

DB + recordings on one spindle will slow it down noticalby

[04:24:18]

Beirdo:

not true :)

[04:24:36]

Beirdo:

if you have 2 x 3.5" bays, you can put in 4 x 2.5" drives

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Beirdo:

if you wanted

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NightMonkey:

Beirdo: Ah, yes, I see what you mean.

[04:25:02]

Beirdo:

dunno if you WANT to of course

[04:25:09]

NightMonkey:

Perhaps some heat problems, tho?

[04:25:22]

NightMonkey:

And that shuttle power supply... Not exactly hefty.

[04:25:32]

Beirdo:

heh

[04:25:38]

NightMonkey:

But that's my world right now.

[04:25:44]

Beirdo:

or use ESATA to an external box if you need to

[04:25:54]

Beirdo:

there are always other ways

[04:25:55]

NightMonkey:

Next box will be better. And so my world will also be better.

[04:26:10]

Beirdo:

but yeah, I hear ya

[04:26:31]

dashmatrix:

can you do any hd with myth ?

[04:26:43]

Beirdo:

of course

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NightMonkey:

Beirdo: These boxes are so old... pre-SATA. And the one PCI card slot has a PVR card. Plus, I've had some troubles with USB-to-SATA and Linux.

[04:27:05]

dashmatrix:

just need the hd capture card ?

[04:27:15]

Beirdo:

heh. NightMonkey you ned an upgrade

[04:27:25]

NightMonkey:

Beirdo: Damn straight I do.

[04:27:26]

Beirdo:

dashmatrix: depends on the video source

[04:27:56]

Beirdo:

I have OTA tuners and an HDPVR capturing off my DirecTV HD receiver

[04:27:57]

NightMonkey:

Goodbye, world of Athlon XP.

[04:28:02]

Beirdo:

both give me HD

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dashmatrix:

beirdo: there in lies my problem I dunno what fioptics is doing

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Beirdo:

if you get component out, you can record it in HD

[04:28:33]

Beirdo:

meet the HD-PVR

[04:28:56]

dashmatrix:

gotta have 1080p/hdmi

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Beirdo:

huh?

[04:29:26]

Beirdo:

the box doesn't do component?

[04:29:30]

Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

no one provides 1080p, and hdmi is going to be encrypted and unusable

[04:29:40]

Beirdo:

ummm

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Beirdo:

DirecTV does provide 1080p

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dashmatrix:

I'm confused.

[04:30:04]

Beirdo:

on one or two PPV movie channels

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wagnerrp:

all broadcast tv, and nearly everything on cable, will be 1080i, or 720p

[04:30:28]

Beirdo:

which of course is of no use to me as I refuse to pay more

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dashmatrix:

so you run the component outs from the DTV reciever to the PVR

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

you got it

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Beirdo:

component + toslink

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dashmatrix:

gotcha

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Beirdo:

to the HD-PVR device

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Beirdo:

which encodes to H.264, and connects to the backend via USB

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dashmatrix:

but for a cable Tv setup I could forgo the settop box and plug the coax into a tuner card direct right ?

[04:33:27]

Beirdo:

yes, but you'd only be able to use unencrypted channels

[04:33:29]

wagnerrp:

for analog, yes

[04:33:52]

Beirdo:

QAM for digital cable works for many systems

[04:33:54]

wagnerrp:

you can check the silicondust site for a lineup of unencrypted content

[04:34:00]

dashmatrix:

for the digitals I have to wait for the Mcard supported cards

[04:34:01]

wagnerrp:

what was the keyword for that one?

[04:34:12]

Beirdo:

!url list

[04:34:12]

MythLogBot:

No match for keyword list

[04:34:18]

Beirdo:

!url – list

[04:34:19]

MythLogBot:

faq google linuxtv lmgtfy log logs nocablecard overscan tuners upnp wiki

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wagnerrp:

dashmatrix: and as explained, that will only get you DRM free content

[04:34:23]

wagnerrp:

the 'copy freely' stuff

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wagnerrp:

!url nocablecard

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MythLogBot:

nocablecard: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

[04:34:32]

wagnerrp:

ah

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Beirdo:

can easily add/tweak those of course :)

[04:34:50]

wagnerrp:

might want to change that one, considering we do support cablecard now (sorta)

[04:35:20]

Beirdo:

or are about to

[04:36:15]

Beirdo:

what should I change it to?

[04:36:27]

Beirdo:

ooooh, resync is done

[04:36:30]

Beirdo:

sigh

[04:36:50]

Beirdo:

time to go put the video card back in to try settin PNP OS

[04:37:17]

Beirdo:

hahaha

[04:37:28]

Beirdo:

"shutdown" has a u, not an i

[04:38:11]

dashmatrix:

dang...

[04:38:13]

wagnerrp:

the consequences of doing so 'up' may be disgusting

[04:38:59]

Beirdo:

t [Client Quit]

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dashmatrix:

that doesn't sound very optimistic

[04:39:11]

Beirdo:

what the?

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wagnerrp:

what doesnt sound optimistic?

[04:40:04]

dashmatrix:

maybe those guys that broke the hdmi encryption scheme will put out a converter :)

[04:40:11]

dashmatrix:

that wiki page

[04:40:25]

dashmatrix:

my options are less than appealing

[04:40:46]

wagnerrp:

better someone just open up cablecard as a conditional access scheme

[04:41:05]

wagnerrp:

but those corporations sure do love their DRM

[04:41:51]

dashmatrix:

all this so I can record my shows while kids watch Elmo...

[04:41:58]

dashmatrix:

phuggg

[04:42:44]

dashmatrix:

well guys I thank you for the advice and information.

[04:43:02]

dashmatrix:

I'm going to read some more of this hebrew gibberish

[04:43:12]

dashmatrix:

appreciate the patience.

[04:43:22]

wagnerrp:

end result, you can do cable, and even HD cable

[04:43:27]

wagnerrp:

but its going to be complicated

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dashmatrix:

I like a challenge.

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dashmatrix:

especially when there's so much to learn

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dashmatrix:

night

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Beirdo:

01:00.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors Device 7164 (rev 81)

[04:52:08]

Beirdo:

YAY!

[04:52:20]

Beirdo:

OK, time to shutdown and reinstall the PSU

[04:52:34]

NightMonkey:

Sweet. Just as I was saying how comcast business was good, they get a routing loop between ny and virginia.

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NightMonkey:

Beirdo: Nice job.

[04:55:32]

wagnerrp:

well something just walked across my chest

[04:55:46]

wagnerrp:

i cant tell what it was, because now its a rolled up ball of insect mush

[04:55:55]

NightMonkey:

Creepy.

[04:56:08]

sphery:

Beirdo: yay!

[04:56:41]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i imagine these faults are actually the same ones we had before

[04:56:45]

wagnerrp:

we never actually fixed it

[04:56:50]

wagnerrp:

we just reverted to the old library

[04:57:02]

Beirdo:

oh GOD.

[04:57:09]

Beirdo:

that was a painful ride

[04:57:57]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, upgraded lib, had faults, reverted, someone else looked at lib changes and submitted a new lib update patch, applied, and got its first good workout tonight

[04:57:59]

Beirdo:

[ 10.957062] saa7164 0000:01:00.0: firmware: requesting v4l-saa7164–1.0.3.fw

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Beirdo:

[ 11.139791] saa7164_downloadfirmware() Upload failed. (file not found?)

[04:58:05]

Beirdo:

heh

[04:58:07]

Beirdo:

now there's a surprise

[04:58:14]

Beirdo:

but it sees it :)

[04:58:19]

Beirdo:

yay yay yay

[04:58:47]

wagnerrp:

well i pinged jafa about it in the other channel

[04:59:09]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: moment of truth in just over a minute

[04:59:44]

sphery:

yeah, hope they get a chance to debug this time

[04:59:55]

sphery:

we were in kind of an "in between" stage last time

[05:00:14]

Beirdo:

buh

[05:00:19]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: confirmed

[05:00:51]

sphery:

wow, 10s over a minute... you are one precise man

[05:01:18]

Beirdo:

I think

[05:01:42]

Beirdo:

argh

[05:01:49]

Beirdo:

no, it didn't multirec

[05:01:50]

Beirdo:

hahah

[05:02:07]

Beirdo:

it punted the Grey's Anatomy to later

[05:02:29]

Beirdo:

let me force it to record on that multiplex

[05:04:27]

wagnerrp:

i never did figure out how to force it to happen

[05:04:34]

Beirdo:

OK.

[05:04:40]

wagnerrp:

it would happen, but its like it had to be recording some amount of time

[05:04:42]

Beirdo:

now it IS doing multirec

[05:04:53]

wagnerrp:

if i just did pidly couple minute manual recordings, it worked fine

[05:04:53]

Beirdo:

the movie's over 11:30

[05:05:02]

Beirdo:

Private Practise at 11

[05:05:27]

wagnerrp:

the movie should fail when grays stops

[05:05:32]

Beirdo:

stupid scheduler's too smart for it's own good

[05:05:43]

Beirdo:

it didn't record Gray's Anatomy

[05:05:52]

Beirdo:

it punted it to another timeslot

[05:06:10]

wagnerrp:

you can force that showing

[05:06:23]

Beirdo:

Encoder 1 [ HDHOMERUN : 1019FF94–0 ] is local on mythtv and is recording 'Force 10 From Navarone' on KOMO-SD. This recording is scheduled to end at 11:30 PM.

[05:06:26]

Beirdo:

Encoder 2 [ HDHOMERUN : 1019FF94–0 ] is local on mythtv and is recording 'Private Practice' on KOMO. This recording is scheduled to end at 11:00 PM.

[05:06:32]

Beirdo:

Gray's Anatomy is over :)

[05:06:38]

Beirdo:

so I forced the next show

[05:07:10]

Beirdo:

which I might like anyways

[05:07:29]

k-man:

i've been watching deadwood recently, thats a good show (but very brutal)

[05:07:57]

Beirdo:

15 shows in the queue for commflag

[05:08:02]

Beirdo:

crrrap

[05:08:14]

Beirdo:

HEY

[05:08:22]

Beirdo:

it did record Grey's Anatomy.

[05:08:27]

Beirdo:

WTH?

[05:09:06]

Beirdo:

OK, I guess I'm blind

[05:09:41]

Beirdo:

wow, from 9:30 to 10pm, I was recording 5 shows in parallel

[05:09:46]

Beirdo:

holy crapola

[05:10:38]

Beirdo:

make that 6

[05:10:46]

** Beirdo blinks **

[05:11:34]

Beirdo:

Nikita, Grey's Anatomy, Fringe, CSI, Outsourced, Force 10 From Navarone (the movie)

[05:12:12]

wagnerrp:

there was a tv show?

[05:12:24]

Beirdo:

TV show?

[05:12:29]

wagnerrp:

you said the movie

[05:12:43]

Beirdo:

oooh, I was just saying, that's the movie I'm recording

[05:12:44]

Beirdo:

heh

[05:13:01]

Beirdo:

HD Homerun was pulling 29Mbit/s for that

[05:13:16]

wagnerrp:

no faults?

[05:13:28]

wagnerrp:

what firmware?

[05:13:40]

Beirdo:

umm, how would I know?

[05:13:44]

Beirdo:

heh

[05:13:51]

Beirdo:

there's gotta be a tool for that

[05:14:11]

wagnerrp:

hdhomerun_config <ip> get /sys/version

[05:14:36]

Beirdo:

20091024

[05:14:45]

wagnerrp:

wow, older than mine

[05:16:52]

Beirdo:

heh

[05:17:11]

Beirdo:

Oooh, I forgot it has an IR reciever in it too

[05:17:25]

wagnerrp:

yep

[05:20:38]

** Beirdo is happy **

[05:20:59]

Beirdo:

my plan will be complete in about a week

[05:21:09]

Beirdo:

when that SATA card shows up

[05:21:33]

Beirdo:

then I just need more disk... and to move the master backend over

[05:22:14]

Beirdo:

it is maybe half the size of the old box

[05:22:19]

Beirdo:

and quite silent

[05:22:34]

Beirdo:

Oh, need to order that fan grille

[05:23:26]

Beirdo:

doesn't make sense to put a filter on an exhaust fan, does it...

[05:28:53]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: does this make sense to put onto the intake of my case's exhaust fan?

[05:28:58]

Beirdo:

http://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-120mm-Filte . . . /B0036WTDHK/

[05:29:49]

wagnerrp:

not unless youre worried about stuff getting snagged in it

[05:30:03]

wagnerrp:

ive got a mid-case fan between my PSU and hard drives

[05:30:15]

Beirdo:

well, I need a grill

[05:30:17]

wagnerrp:

i ended up putting a grill over that to protect the hard drive cables

[05:30:22]

Beirdo:

it's the filter part I'm not sure of

[05:30:36]

Beirdo:

the sata cables are dangerously close

[05:30:41]

wagnerrp:

its $3, youre not likely to find a grill alone for much less

[05:30:47]

Beirdo:

and there's really no choice where to put em

[05:30:58]

wagnerrp:

you can get 90deg cables

[05:30:59]

Beirdo:

heh, true

[05:31:03]

Beirdo:

and no shipping

[05:31:10]

mrjn_:

guys, question: Do I really have to configure lirc in my linux box, if I only want to change channels through my hd-pvr

[05:31:17]

Beirdo:

no, it's routing from the mobo to the drives that's the issue

[05:31:29]

Beirdo:

it's a fairly tight case

[05:31:57]

wagnerrp:

mrjn_: if you are controlling an external tuner (cable box), you must set up irsend and a tuner script

[05:32:16]

Beirdo:

I'll order that puppy

[05:32:36]

Beirdo:

hope it has screws

[05:32:37]

Beirdo:

heh

[05:32:38]

wagnerrp:

what is this 4-in-1 fan pack

[05:32:48]

Beirdo:

I dunno

[05:32:52]

wagnerrp:

thats not actually 4 12cm fans for $12 is it?

[05:33:02]

Beirdo:

I was wondering the same thing

[05:33:10]

mrjn_:

wagnerrp, tuner script = channel changing script you mean right? But, if I'm changing channels through mythtv, doesn't it use usb to send that information to hd-pvr? That's the only connection b/w my linux box, and hd-pvr anyway right?

[05:33:35]

wagnerrp:

mrjn_: the HDPVR is not a tuner

[05:34:01]

wagnerrp:

it cannot change channels, so mythtv cannot tell it to

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mrjn_:

wagnerrp, I see.. So, mythtv is using the ir blaster in hd-pvr.

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Beirdo:

4 fans for $12 is pretty sweet price

[05:34:45]

wagnerrp:

no, mythtv uses external channel changer scripts

[05:34:53]

wagnerrp:

its up to you to make the script do whatever you need

[05:35:03]

wagnerrp:

IR, serial, firewire, or otherwise

[05:35:07]

Beirdo:

so I've been wondering about that item

[05:35:31]

wagnerrp:

i dont like that design though

[05:35:35]

Beirdo:

from the reviews... yes, that's 4 fans

[05:35:53]

Beirdo:

and sleeve bearing

[05:35:56]

Beirdo:

so crappy

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wagnerrp:

'quiet' fans are all very curved

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Beirdo:

and have decent bearings

[05:37:09]

wagnerrp:

i mean one of the major contributors of noise is pulsed flow of the motor mounts

[05:37:09]

Beirdo:

should get my fan grill... on Tuesday

[05:37:45]

Beirdo:

oh?

[05:37:46]

wagnerrp:

(nearly) straight fan blades cause that air to hit all at once, making an abrupt noise

[05:37:55]

Beirdo:

makes sense

[05:38:04]

wagnerrp:

curved blades spread that noise over the whole cycle

[05:38:20]

wagnerrp:

its like straight gears versus helical in a transmission

[05:38:38]

wagnerrp:

straight are mechanically better and easier to produce

[05:38:42]

wagnerrp:

but are a lot noisier

[05:38:52]

Beirdo:

and break easier too, I'd bet

[05:39:16]

wagnerrp:

nah, you can make them a lot more rugged

[05:39:26]

wagnerrp:

helical 'teeth' have to be a lot smaller

[05:39:32]

Beirdo:

ahhh

[05:41:28]

Beirdo:

hmmm.

[05:41:37]

Beirdo:

Cuda LP... $109.99

[05:41:41]

Beirdo:

2TB

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wagnerrp:

i think ill get trunk mythfs working tonight

[05:43:05]

Beirdo:

cool

[05:43:11]

Beirdo:

you kill that bug :)

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: 3min to second multirec test

[06:00:33]

Beirdo:

still recording the movie

[06:00:41]

Beirdo:

or at least it says it is

[06:00:45]

** [R] gets a frowny face **

[06:00:52]

[R]:

still haven't been able to do multirec

[06:03:41]

wagnerrp:

ever?

[06:04:40]

[R]:

no

[06:04:42]

[R]:

there is no good overlap

[06:04:52]

wagnerrp:

ah, broadcast only?

[06:05:00]

[R]:

well tbs and wgn are on the same multiplex

[06:05:21]

[R]:

but mostly the overlap sucks... PBS and NBC

[06:05:33]

[R]:

CBS and ABC

[06:05:34]

wagnerrp:

well it still helps with single channel overlap, back-to-back episodes

[06:05:43]

[R]:

how does it help?

[06:05:47]

Beirdo:

CBS and ABC is pretty good overlap

[06:05:55]

[R]:

whats on either?

[06:06:05]

Beirdo:

a buttload of new shows on each

[06:06:08]

wagnerrp:

you can have buffer, without requiring two tuners

[06:06:08]

[R]:

shit my dad says is on cbs i think

[06:06:18]

[R]:

ah...

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Beirdo:

that's $..!

[06:06:43]

[R]:

lol

[06:06:45]

Beirdo:

go look at the scheduling

[06:06:58]

[R]:

i coudln't quite understand what the guy on the commerical says

[06:07:00]

[R]:

said*

[06:07:02]

[R]:

it wsn't bleep

[06:07:05]

[R]:

which i've heard before

[06:07:20]

Beirdo:

I should go watch it

[06:07:35]

Beirdo:

once Outsourced is over

[06:07:38]

[R]:

they can't re-use the (.) for 2 differnet letters

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Beirdo:

they can, and they did

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

i wonder if my commflags would go faster if i only had 2 concurents instead of 3

[06:09:51]

Beirdo:

I dunno. What core?

[06:10:04]

Beirdo:

Ooooh, this is a Shatner show? :)

[06:10:44]

Beirdo:

glad I scheduled it

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[R]:

core 2 duo

[06:12:18]

[R]:

2.1 or something

[06:12:23]

[R]:

Beirdo: its kinda lame

[06:12:25]

wagnerrp:

its pretty bad

[06:12:56]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: so did the recording fail?

[06:13:11]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: it's still recording

[06:13:13]

Beirdo:

so no

[06:13:21]

wagnerrp:

yes, it says its recording

[06:13:26]

wagnerrp:

but is the file actually expanding?

[06:13:32]

Beirdo:

hmm, one sec

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[R]:

wagnerrp: oh come on... you just walked right into that one

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[R]:

wagnerrp: that's what she said

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slickrick:

hey quick question. my databased got 'effed up and i had to do a restore, but my backup is a day old so i lost the recorded program data from the last day.

[06:14:10]

wagnerrp:

$..!

[06:14:16]

slickrick:

is there anyway to have myth scan the directory and add the mpg's back to the recorded program list, even if they are missing the program data?

[06:14:23]

Beirdo:

yeah, still growing

[06:14:47]

wagnerrp:

there is some script, but its outdated, and never worked well even when it was current

[06:14:58]

slickrick:

dang.

[06:15:13]

slickrick:

maybe it's best just to copy them and play them with mythvideo i guess.

[06:15:54]

slickrick:

speaking of this issue, is there any way to reconcile whats in the recordings table with whats on the file system.

[06:16:35]

[R]:

reconcile?

[06:17:13]

slickrick:

like say i have a xxxx_xxxxxxxxxxxx.mpg file that no longer exists in the db and i wanted to purge it. any tool to get rid of them or do i need to roll my own?

[06:17:14]

wagnerrp:

again, theres a script, but its outdated and not maintaiined

[06:17:29]

slickrick:

after 6 years with myth and thousands of recordings is suspect i have a few orphans.

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NightMonkey:

slickrick: Check the contribs/ directory in the myth source.

[06:17:47]

slickrick:

wagnerrp: dang again. i guess I'll need to do some digging.

[06:17:56]

wagnerrp:

dont check the contribs directory, and dont run any scripts you may find in there

[06:18:00]

slickrick:

NightMonkey: cool, I'll check it out.

[06:18:02]

slickrick:

oh.

[06:18:16]

NightMonkey:

slickrick: contrib/myth.find_orphans.pl

[06:18:17]

slickrick:

back to rolling my own i guess.

[06:18:31]

slickrick:

thank god for backups of i would have been cooked.

[06:18:37]

** wagnerrp prods sphery as to the best course of action **

[06:18:39]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Heh, okay. That one works well for me.

[06:19:17]

[R]:

wagnerrp: i should rewrite find orphans in the python bindings

[06:19:19]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: He could run --dryrun to test it out.

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wagnerrp:

[R]: or C++, and shove it into the housekeeper code

[06:20:10]

wagnerrp:

ive offered to do so for probably a year now

[06:20:12]

[R]:

wagnerrp: ARGGGGGG... stop it!? tahts what she said!~

[06:20:25]

wagnerrp:

but its planned to go into the backend itself

[06:21:02]

slickrick:

so the contrib tools are dicey?

[06:21:28]

wagnerrp:

they rarely get updated

[06:21:40]

wagnerrp:

which was the reasoning for them all getting deleted, and shoveled onto the wiki

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wagnerrp:

the hope that maybe one of the users would take up maintenance of them

[06:22:28]

slickrick:

sounds like it's better just to move the mpg and pngs from that date to mythvideo and play them from there.

[06:22:40]

slickrick:

just my luck for this to happen on premiere week.

[06:23:05]

slickrick:

thinking about backing up the database 2 or 4 times a day now instead of just nightly.

[06:23:06]

sphery:

slickrick: IMHO, the best solution is to put any extra recordings into MythVideo instead of trying to get them into MythTV

[06:23:24]

sphery:

the only issue is identifying which ones are the unknown ones, but it should be relatively easy since you know the date

[06:23:39]

slickrick:

sphery: done. i was already copying there before i even asked, but figured you guys would know.

[06:23:46]

NightMonkey:

Heh, lots of preview files of preview files found by find_orphans.pl.

[06:23:53]

sphery:

slickrick: cool

[06:24:17]

slickrick:

sphery: thanks.

[06:24:30]

sphery:

since they haven't been recorded, yet--according to your now restored DB--they'll re-record when aired again, so if you really want them in TV, they may end up there eventually :)

[06:24:46]

slickrick:

good point.

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slickrick:

sphery: but it probably won't be for an awfully long time since these are all season premieres or pilots.

[06:26:07]

slickrick:

wagnerrp: any idea when the reconcile functionality might show up in the backend?

[06:28:03]

wagnerrp:

sphery: ^^^

[06:29:33]

sphery:

reconcile?

[06:30:02]

[R]:

sphery: find_orphans

[06:30:06]

slickrick:

sphery: marry up whats in the db vs whats on the file system. eg. delete orphans.

[06:30:07]

NightMonkey:

slickrick: Do you mean something that will zap files in the recording directory that are not listed in the DB?

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sphery:

ah, hope to work on that soon

[06:30:18]

slickrick:

NightMonkey: yeah.

[06:30:27]

slickrick:

sphery: awesome.

[06:30:38]

sphery:

have 2 bugs on the list for pre-0.24 (3 if I get motivated to do the right thing--the 3rd being in dead code)

[06:30:45]

sphery:

then will work on it

[06:30:48]

sphery:

it won't be in 0.24, though

[06:30:59]

slickrick:

noted, but thanks.

[06:31:07]

sphery:

so it should appear in MythTV releases with 0.25

[06:31:48]

NightMonkey:

Well, wagnerrp will disagree, but with the stable release myth.find_orphans.pl works for me. Just run it with "--help", then run it with "--dryrun" and see what it thinks is an "orphan".

[06:31:55]

slickrick:

is there generally one png and one mpg for each recording?

[06:32:32]

NightMonkey:

slickrick: It still might eat your children, I guess, so be careful.

[06:32:57]

slickrick:

NightMonkey: i might try it with dryrun only just to get a sense how out of wack it is.

[06:32:57]

NightMonkey:

slickrick: You could use the output from --dryrun and delete by hand, if you dare.

[06:33:29]

slickrick:

ls -l | wc -l gives me 5805 and i have 1370 recordings according to the frontend.

[06:33:40]

NightMonkey:

For me, it found: B0rked preview files, and four database backups. No recordings (as it should be).

[06:34:38]

NightMonkey:

slickrick: I wouldn't do anything that messes with the DB itself, though, like "--dodbdelete"

[06:34:46]

** [R] has 2.5tb... if i have a few orphans... then i ahve a few orphans... oh well **

[06:34:47]

[R]:

lol

[06:35:26]

NightMonkey:

[R]: It does improve directory performance to remove uneeded files.

[06:35:48]

[R]:

yeah, the extra second really matters

[06:36:00]

[R]:

but i have 3 dirs in my storage group

[06:36:10]

NightMonkey:

[R]: It can, if you have stuff scanning the directory often. Like samba shares, etc.

[06:36:20]

NightMonkey:

[R]: But, we all have our tolerance levels.

[06:36:28]

[R]:

why would you share your recordings dir on samba

[06:36:29]

[R]:

that makes no sense

[06:36:37]

[R]:

the names aren't very intuitive

[06:36:38]

NightMonkey:

[R]: So my GF can watch shows?

[06:36:50]

[R]:

you share a dir of files with names that make sense

[06:36:56]

[R]:

i.e. mythlink or mythfs.py

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slickrick:

still wondering if there is generally two files to every recording (one mpg and one png), so for my 1370 recordings should i have ~2740 files?

[06:37:37]

NightMonkey:

[R]: If you use the mythname.pl and symlinks they do.

[06:38:08]

[R]:

then what does that have to do with having orphans in your recording dir?

[06:38:14]

NightMonkey:

[R]: But I live on the edge, and change the original names.

[06:38:35]

** [R] hugs mythfs.py **

[06:38:40]

[R]:

wagnerrp: bets skript EVAR

[06:38:51]

[R]:

wagnerrp: solves all my problems

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** slickrick googles mythfs.py **

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NightMonkey:

[R]: I haven't tried that one. I'll check it out.

[06:39:21]

NightMonkey:

Ah.

[06:39:29]

NightMonkey:

"No module named fuse".

[06:39:37]

NightMonkey:

Will need to check the code.

[06:39:50]

slickrick:

install python-fuse

[06:40:09]

NightMonkey:

slickrick: Yep, I see that.

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slickrick:

well thanks for the advice everyone. at least i still have the recordings. phew.

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decrypter:

Good morning. I was wondering if it somehow is possible to record all channels from say a cable provider in a buffer and then serve them to other users over the internet?

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[R]:

sounds highly illegal

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decrypter:

on the mythtv website it names multiplex recording

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decrypter:

[R], its only for personal use ofcourse

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[R]:

wrong multiplex

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[R]:

2 virtual channels on 1 physical channel... ala QAM, ATSC, DVB... thats multiplex

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Beirdo:

"to other users" "personal use"... does not compute

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decrypter:

In current versions on MythTV, it is possible to record any number of streams from a single multiplex, assuming the user is receiving television via ATSC, QAM, or DVB. In effect, this enables the user to record multiple channels at once on a single tuner.

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Beirdo:

if they are all on one multiplex

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decrypter:

well, i want to watch the tv-stream at work at home, and my boss also. But we want to zap seperatly ..

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Beirdo:

arrrrr

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** [R] gets his eyepatch out **

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Beirdo:

where's me rum?

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[R]:

on seinfeld kramer said it screws up your depth perception

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[R]:

is that true?

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Beirdo:

duh

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decrypter:

ofcourse

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Beirdo:

depth perception requires two eyes

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Beirdo:

it's seriously hampered with only one

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[R]:

Beirdo: run out of crackers?

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Beirdo:

nah, the pirate left :)

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[R]:

hehe

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justinh:

makes you wonder how all the 'online tv streaming' sites do it doesn't it? ;-)

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Flash_:

i have a friend who worked on bbc's iplayer. it really is a big bunch of aerials, dvb-t tuners, some clever software and a massive pile of disks

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justinh:

I somehow doubt that

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Flash_:

why?

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Flash_:

that i've got a friend?

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justinh:

why would anybody bother taking the streams off the air when they have access to all their output natively?

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Flash_:

it's not based in broadcasting centre

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Flash_:

and the bbc aren't the only ones punting into the air

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justinh:

add to that the fact that all bbc staff have access to all programming over the internet – and had even before iplayer came along. not that anybody is supposed to know about that

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Flash_:

you seen redux?

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justinh:

redux?

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Flash_:

it's been going for some years. recording every dvb-t channel.

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Flash_:

iplayer takes its feeds from that

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justinh:

anyhow – the iplayer stuff all starts & ends on time.. nicely trimmed. red bee see to nothing going out on time. ever

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Flash_:

or did, last time i dug into it

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justinh:

I spose that taking stuff over the air is likely a lot cheaper than dedicated links & up/downloading stuff some some server somewhere

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Flash_:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/1 . . . x_proje.html is an interview about it 2 years ago

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Flash_:

i can't show you actual redux since it's bbc employees (and guests) only

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justinh:

I know a bbc web producer – he told me about redux but never mentioned its name

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Flash_:

to use, its a lot like a pvr web schedule going back along time. search for dates or title, find a programme

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bjd:

Flash_: i'm a redux user

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Flash_:

you have a choice to download mpeg2, play via a flashplayer or transcore into mp4 or others

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bjd:

and so is growler :p

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Flash_:

bjd, cool

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justinh:

did you ever see their take on tvanytime? bbc r&d built an all-mux recording DVR... looked a lot like myth in many ways

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Flash_:

a lot of foreigners are bemused by the uk's requirement for a tv licence, but when the bbc do clever shit like this, I really don't mind it at all

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justinh:

so I spose to get around red bee's seemingly lax playout, redux et al must be using the broadcast programme start/stop marks

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justinh:

oh definitely

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justinh:

they've been heavily involved in television & radio's development since the start. we've a hell of a lot to thank them for

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Flash_:

r. anyway, i've got a lawnmower to strip. cya

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justinh:

I mean what have Sky ever done for the good of teevees? Apart from introduce the UK to its awful unreliable PVR...

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bjd:

adverts galore

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justinh:

they're missing a trick not showing ads in their planner

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justinh:

maybe they never will though – gives em a leg up on the PVRs which use the risible guideplus system I suppose

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the-FoX:

hello

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the-FoX:

i've ot a problem withplaying dvds under mythtv. when i start playing a dvd it plays at least 2x as normal speed and audio sounds like mickey mouse

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justinh:

that's good if you're playing a mickey mouse dvd :-D

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justinh:

see mythfrontend -v playback. as always

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the-FoX:

my mythfrontendlog shows:

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the-FoX:

AO: audio waiting for buffer to fill: have 2764 want 6144

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justinh:

also try mentioning which version of mythtv you run

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the-FoX:

version: branches/release-0-23-fixes [25496]

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the-FoX:

under gentoo

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justinh:

the *whole* log shows that? amazing. pastebin the complete log output of -v playback when trying to play a DVD

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the-FoX:

ok :)

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the-FoX:

justinh: http://pastebin.com/7gsmfenX

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justinh:

using vdpau to decode SDTV mpeg2? lol what is this – an atom?

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the-FoX:

yes an atom

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the-FoX:

what do you mean by: "using vdpau to decode SDTV mpeg2" ? isn't vdpau a hardware accellerated decoding of video content?

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the-FoX:

:(

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the-FoX:

noone who can help me?

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k-man:

how do i play an mkv file in mythvideo?

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k-man:

oh, never mind, it works out of the box – i stupidly thought if i had never heard of mkv files, that mythvideo might not support it

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tmba:

hi all, I upgraded my mythbuntu from 9.10 to 10.04 on both frontend and backend. Now I get the error "Error: MythTV database has newer TV schema (1254) than expected (1244).".. Googling the problem it seems my backend and frontend are running different versions of mythtv and that I need to upgrade one of the systems (I guess frontend?). The strange thing is, both systems were upgraded simultaneously. I'm happy to do the upgrade, but not s

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wagnerrp:

so what was the question?

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tmba:

I just checked, it seems my frontend is 0.22, while backend is 0.23. I'm stumped as to why two systems of same version of same distro would have different mythtv version?

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wagnerrp:

sounds correct

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tmba:

the question was how to fix

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wagnerrp:

it must have gotten cut off

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wagnerrp:

your last sentance was... "I'm happy to do the upgrade, but not s"

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tmba:

I do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade on frontend, and 0 packages are upgraded

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tmba:

wagnerrp: hmm, not here

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tmba:

"I'm happy to do the upgrade, but not sure how as all seems to be up-to-date on both systems right now. How to fix?

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tmba:

"

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tmba:

I'm puzzled why it sounds correct that frontend should be different version from backend

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wagnerrp:

no, its correct that 0.22 is revision 1244, 0.23 is revision 1254

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wagnerrp:

and that you are running two different versions of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

as to how to fix it, you may want to try in #mythbuntu or #ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

note that you should be running 0.23.1 on both systems, not 0.23

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tmba:

branches/release-0-23-fixes

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tmba:

MythTV Version : 24158

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tmba:

on backend

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wagnerrp:

yes, that is pre-0.23

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wagnerrp:

the official 0.23 release wasnt until 245xx

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tmba:

ok, I'll handle that problem after getting the systems in sync

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tmba:

the frontend is 64bit while backend is 32bit.. is mythtv 64bit as recent as 32bit?

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tmba:

on mythtv side I mean, not relating to mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

we dont provide the packages, ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

does

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wagnerrp:

we provide the source, and the source compiles for both 32-bit and 64-bit

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tmba:

right, that was the question. All righty, I'll ask some more on mythbuntu then

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tmba:

thanks for your kind help

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elmargol:

are there any 64bit mythtv users here? Any huge problems? Should I stick to 32bit?

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johnnyj:

I could really use some input on which version of the Flash plugin works bewst with trunk – http://mythtv.pastebin.com/8ez7BGyr

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johnnyj:

s/bewst/best

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justinh:

flash crashes anyway. nothing you can do about it

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johnnyj:

so this plugin just crashes all the time?

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johnnyj:

and there's nothing I can do?

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justinh:

flash is awful

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justinh:

I wish something *could* be done about it

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justinh:

like stop video streaming sites using it

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elmargol:

No 64bit users currently here?

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AndyCap:

justinh: letter bombs to adobe hq until they remove all traces of flash software from their headquarters?

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AndyCap:

s/headquarters/webpages/

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justinh:

I wouldn't joke about bombs even on IRC

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justinh:

considering a guy is being brought up on terrorism related charges after making a joke on twitter

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AndyCap:

oh, lovely

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AndyCap:

and a lifetime ban from doncaster airport?!?

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justinh:

yup

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AndyCap:

hopefully the police is more than busy with real crime here

[15:05:47]

GreyFoxx:

Hrm, now that netflix has come to Canada I suddenly have an interested in streaming it to Myth

[15:05:52]

AndyCap:

or they might find picking me up and harrasing me to be far easier

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AndyCap:

GreyFoxx: is that even remotely possible?

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: not really

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GreyFoxx:

at the moment I don't know anything about how they stream it to you

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wagnerrp:

silverlight

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GreyFoxx:

but I'm gonna sign up for the free trial and see what I can see

[15:09:32]

GreyFoxx:

I'm gonna get the free wii streaming disc and sniff the traffic

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: they mention some option for wii, ps3 and xbox

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justinh:

is syncing screen redraws to the refresh rate still an optional extra with silverlight?

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: those all have custom developed applications

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: so if they really wanted to they could publish a library like spotify, and skype?

[15:11:22]

wagnerrp:

if they really wanted to, they could publish an entire player

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wagnerrp:

publishing a library would imply making the raw video available to some program which used it

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GreyFoxx:

Apparently some people use playon to stream it and convertto a upnp accessible stream

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wagnerrp:

thus not implementing DRM

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justinh:

but anybody could then run a screencam app & capture all the video!

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justinh:

oh wait.. they can already do that with flash

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justinh:

so much for thei DRM then

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justinh:

oh wait! it was never about preventing piracy – only locking you into *their* playing method

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justinh:

DUH

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advantage:

hello

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advantage:

im new to mythtv but i heard it works for windows?

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wagnerrp:

the frontend does, yes

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advantage:

MythTvSetup_0.23.1-fixes_r25457.exe is what i downloaded

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advantage:

supposedly already compiled for XP

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wagnerrp:

compiled for Windows, works on any NT-based version of Windows

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iamlindoro:

We don't provide packages, so that's just whatever some random dude threw together

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advantage:

ok

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iamlindoro:

And as wagnerrp said, you still need a linux backend to run it against

[15:29:04]

advantage:

ahh

[15:29:08]

advantage:

i dont run linux

[15:29:11]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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iamlindoro:

Time to start

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is split into two parts

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wagnerrp:

the frontend and the backend

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wagnerrp:

the frontend does all the playback and user interface stuff

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wagnerrp:

the backend manages all the storage, and records shows

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advantage:

i dont know much bout linux, i tried centos but i almost beat my pc to death

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wagnerrp:

for now, the backend does not support any of Window's capture mechanisms

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iamlindoro:

I'd probably beat my PC to death if I had to run CentOS, too

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wagnerrp:

it only uses those that exist on linux

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advantage:

i see

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advantage:

does it support firewire?

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wagnerrp:

yes, on linux

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advantage:

reason i ask is, my stb is dumb and i cant seem to get it to capture, so i figure i might try mythtv

[15:31:45]

advantage:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Firewire_Cable_Box_Compatibility

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advantage:

says its supported there

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iamlindoro:

It's not a matter of supporting boxes

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advantage:

oh?

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wagnerrp:

and of course http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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iamlindoro:

Firewire capture is enabled or disabled on a per-program basis

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iamlindoro:

Meaning depending on where you live, you might get nothing, or everything, no matter which hardware they issue you

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iamlindoro:

and for most people, that's more like nothing

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iamlindoro:

It is very rare to be able to capture from firewire at all, let alone capture anything of value

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advantage:

hm

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wagnerrp:

most people just end up using it as a more reliable channel change mechanism than infrared

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wagnerrp:

and then subsequently capture using analog

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advantage:

i know when i plug firewire into stb and pc it pops ip something, recognizing its there

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iamlindoro:

That doesn't mean anything

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iamlindoro:

that just means the two firewire chipsets have paired

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wagnerrp:

advantage: the basic issue is that the box will use encryption on anything marked for copy protection

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advantage:

right

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advantage:

the 5c stuff

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wagnerrp:

you need something that can successfully handshake, and then decrypt the content

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wagnerrp:

and no software that i am aware of can do so

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advantage:

yea

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advantage:

so how would i know if my box will allow me todecrypt

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advantage:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Firewire_Cable_Box_Compatibility

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advantage:

guy on there says his works

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advantage:

same box

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advantage:

but... different location

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iamlindoro:

advantage: Again, box means *nothing*

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iamlindoro:

that table even existing is stupid

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wagnerrp:

its not a function of your box allowing you to decrypt

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wagnerrp:

its a matter of your cableco broadcasting content with protection flags

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advantage:

ahh i get it

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wagnerrp:

any content flagged for protection will be unusable over firewire

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iamlindoro:

Firewire capture policies are set per-locale and per headend-- meaning you ability to capture a given program is set by a flag on your locale headend and is reliant entirely on who your headend engineer is

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advantage:

could that be everything including locals?

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advantage:

local chans

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iamlindoro:

Yes, it could be everything including locals

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wagnerrp:

yes, there is no regulation on what must be made available

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advantage:

so how can i check

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wagnerrp:

however your local channels can be recorded unencrypted with a digital tuner

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wagnerrp:

so leasing a cable box for that purpose would be foolish

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advantage:

right i have a tuner, and i can use QAM

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advantage:

but i figure i try to get a lil more using firewire

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wagnerrp:

its completely arbitrary

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advantage:

what i was using were driver from avsforum along with tsreader or capdvhs

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iamlindoro:

You could, and quite often will get *less* than a QAM tuner

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advantage:

so what way would u recommend to test if my channels are encrypted

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iamlindoro:

Attempt firewire capture. If it fails, they are.

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advantage:

but using what

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iamlindoro:

Whatever you care to use

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iamlindoro:

Myth, some random windows program, whatever

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advantage:

ok

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advantage:

i'll try with tsreader

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Gibby:

errr a $700 vet bil

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wagnerrp:

!seen codebreaker

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MythLogBot:

codebreaker has not been seen here

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wagnerrp:

!seen codebeaker

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MythLogBot:

codebeaker has not been seen here

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advantage:

usually when i try to cap it freezes pc

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justinh:

windows. amen

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advantage:

so i figured it wasnt a encryption problem

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advantage:

but windows

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advantage:

right

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advantage:

so thats what brought me here

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wagnerrp:

you can 'azap' a channel on a digital tuner, and then cat it from the dvr0?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

(or tzap or szap or czap)

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advantage:

analog tho

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advantage:

=/

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wagnerrp:

what about analog?

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advantage:

doing that, its an analog capture

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wagnerrp:

what is?

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advantage:

i figure via firewire its HD

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wagnerrp:

a digital tuner is digital

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iamlindoro:

advantage: What in god's name are you talking about?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp and I are talking about something having nothing to do with your question, and even then, he's referring to a digital capture

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advantage:

i thought i understood u cap capture on tuner via the dvr

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iamlindoro:

He wasn't speaking to you, or anout what you're asking about

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wagnerrp:

dvr0 is a linux device node exposed by the DVB (digital) driver API

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advantage:

but yes digital tuner would be HD

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wagnerrp:

no, a digital tuner would be digital

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advantage:

i see

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advantage:

right

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wagnerrp:

firewire capture would be digital

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advantage:

ddigital which could be SD or HD

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wagnerrp:

resolution doesnt come into play anywhere

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advantage:

right

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advantage:

so my pc freezing up is a windows prob not the encryption

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advantage:

?

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wagnerrp:

couldnt say

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wagnerrp:

we dont use the OS or the software

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wagnerrp:

most likely bad firewire chip drivers

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advantage:

on pc or ?

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advantage:

where can i get a better driver?

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wagnerrp:

couldnt say

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wagnerrp:

we dont use the OS or the software

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advantage:

darn

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advantage:

i guess that would have been too easy

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advantage:

well how could i find out what firewire chip i have

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advantage:

i guess just the pci card

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advantage:

well thanks guys i need to hit the drawing board again

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advantage:

appreciate the help

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: lets see if he starts using redirects

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wagnerrp:

i did it, i finally told the 'thin client' thread that their entire discussion was a lie

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Gibby:

what thread?

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wagnerrp:

the one discussing things that are not thin clients

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Gibby:

for a FE?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Gibby:

thread link?

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wagnerrp:

it should be near the bottom of the archive list

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Gibby:

k

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010 . . . /298014.html

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wagnerrp:

they seem to misunderstand the fact that a thin client doesnt do anything

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wagnerrp:

it gets the server to do everything

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CyberKnet:

they don't understand that?

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wagnerrp:

no, according to them, running diskless instantly makes it a thin client

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CyberKnet:

it just makes it remote root.

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wagnerrp:

hence, theyve been discussing a lie

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Gibby:

not a lie more of a miss understanding

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CyberKnet:

"thin" as a physical dimension...

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CyberKnet:

but Mike Perkins was clearly mistaken about what a Thin Client is...

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Gibby:

haha, however in the FE that is diskless.. atleast on mythbuntu under aplications there is a thin client information pop up....

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wagnerrp:

i presume the LTSP stuff is actually designed for thin clients

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wagnerrp:

where you have an X server, sound server, maybe some network USB stuff

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wagnerrp:

and run all your applications remotely on the central server

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wagnerrp:

!seen potissimus

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MythLogBot:

potissimus has not been seen here

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skd5aner:

can anyone ever create a legitimate lyrics site without a bunch of js/popus/malware/etc

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wagnerrp:

lyrics are all copyrighted content, and not up for legal (or legitimate) redistribution

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wagnerrp:

so you can glean from that the types of sites that will be hosting them

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AndyCap:

hobbyists and scum

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skd5aner:

apparently, some sites have tried to go legit – like MetroLyrics – http://www.wired.com/listening_post/2008/04/metrolyrics-bec/

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wagnerrp:

i thought wmv3 == vc1

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skd5aner:

"The VC-1 codec specification has so far been implemented by Microsoft in the form of 3 codecs, each identified with a unique four character code"

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skd5aner:

WMV3, WMVA, WVC1

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skd5aner:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VC-1#Microsoft_c . . . lementations

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skd5aner:

That said, VC-1A == Brazilian Air Force One :D

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wagnerrp:

weve got like half a dozen dvico lirc configs on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

and theyre probably all nearly identical

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blizzard`:

2010-09–24 20:43:03.596 ProgramInfo(10090_20100924204246.mpg), Error: Unknown type, recording width was 0

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blizzard`:

I get that on all channels

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blizzard`:

suddenly stopped working

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blizzard`:

nothing else that hogs the dvb-card

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blizzard`:

can shut down processes and unload the module

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blizzard`:

unloads fine, so I know that nothing else uses the card

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blizzard`:

when launching everything up again, all channels simply gives me "error on opening jumpprogramfile" (straight translation from swedish locales)

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sphery:

OK, so I really wanted to see what http://mozillalabs.com/conceptseries/2010/09/23/seabird/ was about, and figured, "Oh, it's Mozilla Labs, so it should work fine with Mozilla's Ogg-based <video> tags." How wrong I was.

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wagnerrp:

needs moar lens flare

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wagnerrp:

the projector concept is interesting

[19:31:33]

sphery:

yeha

[19:31:36]

wagnerrp:

although im not certain if i would ever use it

[19:31:40]

sphery:

but I really don...

[19:31:41]

sphery:

yeah

[19:31:54]

sphery:

both are /exactly/ what I was typing when you sent

[19:32:21]

sphery:

The whole concept of low-luminosity, battery-draining projectors on phones is annoying

[19:32:55]

sphery:

not like /anyone/ would want to sit on a plane for 90 minutes holding their phone just right to project a movie on the back of the seat tray

[19:33:31]

sphery:

I hate tiny screens for movies/tv, but I think I'd prefer just watching the movie on the phone screen, instead of that

[19:33:52]

sphery:

though the project-a-keyboard is cool

[19:34:10]

sphery:

though, I'm sure it's only really usable for the hunt-and-peck crowd

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sphery:

(no tactile feedback)

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wagnerrp:

i think it would be a decent alternative for a foldaway computer

[19:36:10]

wagnerrp:

say, something mounted on the underside of a kitchen cabinet

[19:36:34]

wagnerrp:

no direct touch, so you dont get your greasy food-covered fingers on anything

[19:36:44]

sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/keyboards-mice/8193/

[19:37:20]

sphery:

the 45-lumens projector seems kind of low, though

[19:37:30]

sphery:

granted, battery powered, and all

[19:38:04]

sphery:

and likely better than any existing, er, real, phone, but it would have to be one dark area to really make use of it

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sphery:

they had that keyboard on CSI: Miami once

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sphery:

pulled fingerprints off the desk

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sphery:

and used it to determine a password (which suggests just how much the receptionist used that keyboard :)

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wagnerrp:

hehe... http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/iphone/c8e1/#tabs ... for the special forces operator that cant go anywhere without their iphone

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NightMonkey:

sphery: re holding for 90 minutes – perhaps some sort of pullout tripod or "kickstand" could be added

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sphery:

yeah, that one shows a cradle for it

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sphery:

but I just don't think phone projectors are worthwhile when they're in the tens of lumens compared to the 1100-lumens projectors you get for TV (and people still complain about how they're hard to see unless the room is dark)

[19:43:38]

sphery:

maybe one day, though

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wagnerrp:

well consider the area of the screen too

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sphery:

http://www.newegg.com/Store/Category.aspx?Cat . . . e=Projectors shows from 1300 to 3000 lumens when you ignore the pico projectors

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wagnerrp:

youre talking 2–3sqft for the phone, versus ~50 for the tv

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wagnerrp:

so its effectively 25x brighter for the same lumens output

[19:45:22]

wagnerrp:

roughly equivalent to that 1100-lumen projector

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sphery:

well, I'll reserve judgment until I've seen some

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sphery:

I just don't see myself using one in the next few years, at least

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wagnerrp:

im just concerned about the image quality

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wagnerrp:

i mean you can only make things so small

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wagnerrp:

actually, im wondering if tubes would be /more/ efficient than DLP/LCD/LCoSs in such a scenario

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wagnerrp:

tubes are only going to produce as much light as you need

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wagnerrp:

instead of running full blast all the time and filtering out the light you dont want

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: **mythtv break time**

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wagnerrp:

?

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dustybin:

:P

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dustybin:

you guys spend too long dealing with mythtv problems

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wagnerrp:

im not talking about mythtv

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dustybin:

eeek ok

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dustybin:

but you do anyway

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kormoc:

so leave the channel if you don't like us being on topic

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dustybin:

eeek i dont want to upset you guys :-S

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dustybin:

i stay silent most of the time

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sphery:

wagnerrp: tubes?

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wagnerrp:

CRT projectors

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sphery:

ahhh

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dustybin:

mythtv has been working ace for me since .21, i dont even realise its there

[19:59:17]

dustybin:

i noticed a new feature in mythweb what can play video to any frontend

[19:59:38]

wagnerrp:

thats been in there a while

[19:59:41]

dustybin:

my joggler was listed and it turned it on and played a recording

[20:00:03]

dustybin:

i bet im the only guy here who wakes up to mythtv every morning

[20:00:17]

justinh:

seeya dustybin :-)

[20:00:25]

dustybin:

hi justinh

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dustybin:

justinh: my joggler turns on at the precise moment BBC news plays the theme

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dustybin:

every morning

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justinh:

no longer in the joggler club! sold it to a guy at work who's turned it into some awful flash-based music player :-P

[20:01:26]

dustybin:

i would class myself as a proper mythtv 'user' in the mythtv-users channel :D

[20:01:50]

dustybin:

i dont know why, mine is running perfectly

[20:02:23]

justinh:

til the plastic heatsink melts :-P

[20:03:02]

dustybin:

the cron on my joggler does this: 00 6 * * 1–5 /home/mythtv/alarm.sh

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wagnerrp:

justinh: that would improve the airflow, and allow it to run cooler

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dustybin:

alarm.sh does this http://codepad.org/LsthQZWJ

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dustybin:

justinh: my joggler display stays off using the xorg command to turn off a display

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dustybin:

that keeps it cool

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dustybin:

when my alarm and tv kicks in, it never gets hot, stays cool for ages

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wagnerrp:

nah, thats just because the CPU is insulated, and you cant feel the heat

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: mythtv-developers use the side enterance ---->

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dustybin:

only joking :P

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wagnerrp:

?

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dustybin:

only joking :D

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wagnerrp:

i dont get it

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keld:

after scanning for channels in another environment, and then getting back home, mythtv will not record anything. What can be the problem?

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wagnerrp:

keld: this is on a laptop?

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dustybin:

(let me answer this problem)

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wagnerrp:

you scanned in a different physical location?

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keld:

I can watch tv, and it does list programs

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keld:

yes

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keld:

yes, on a laptop

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wagnerrp:

if you can watch tv, but nothing records

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wagnerrp:

chances are you have a bunch of 'record on this channel' rules

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wagnerrp:

and since you rescanned, you have new channels

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wagnerrp:

so the rules no longer match

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keld:

I have a number of rules yes (many...)

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keld:

but I cannot record anything, eg from the program overview

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wagnerrp:

if you can watch livetv, you can record

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wagnerrp:

they both use the same routines

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wagnerrp:

livetv is just a recording that runs a few seconds ahead of playback

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wagnerrp:

and has some glue set up for channel changing

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keld:

I can watch live tv

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wagnerrp:

so if you can watch livetv, the fault lies in the fact that the shows do not match up with your recordings

[20:16:08]

wagnerrp:

or, they have all been previously recorded according to the duplicate records

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dustybin:

tunes like this make life worth living: http://www.subflow.net/

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sphery:

keld: see, also, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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keld:

hmm, I get updated program overviews, but I cannot record from them

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keld:

Is there some way to avoid problems in the future – going to another place and wantchin tv there? Then I want to get home and use my original settings

[20:23:03]

wagnerrp:

when you are in a new location with new channels, create a new source

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wagnerrp:

the source contains the channels, and gets mapped to one or more capture inputs

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wagnerrp:

the inputs themselves do not store channels

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wagnerrp:

so when you return home, go into mythtv-setup, and its all of 10 seconds per input to change them back

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keld:

will I lose all my rules, if I delete all video sources?

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sphery:

no, rules survive

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wagnerrp:

no

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sphery:

programs/recordings survive

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sphery:

only channels change (and they need to change)

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sphery:

if you have any "this channel" rules, though, those will break

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sphery:

because you no longer have "that channel"

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jokajak:

hola, i recently started seeing messages like these in my mythbackend.log: terminate called after throwing an instance of '2010-09–24 16:26:22.060 ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '1022_20100801205600.mpg' std::bad_alloc'

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wagnerrp:

what version of mythtv are you running?

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jokajak:

0.23.1

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jokajak:

it only recently started happening since i installed a new tuner card

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jokajak:

so i'm certain it's related to that but i'm not sure the best way to debug it

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jokajak:

ah, i think i figured it out :(

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jokajak:

bah humbug: Not ivtv or pvrusb2 or hdpvr driver

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jokajak:

it's a new hvr1600 card

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wagnerrp:

that recording you list there was a month and a half ago

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wagnerrp:

cut points work in mythvideo, right? ive never actually tried them

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sphery:

ttbomk, there's no way to get cut points into the DB for mythvideo videos

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wagnerrp:

videomarkup

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sphery:

yes, but no UI

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wagnerrp:

you can insert them manually

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wagnerrp:

i just dont know if it will use them

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sphery:

I think it will

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sphery:

jim s had a patch to allow putting them in with mythcommflag, but said to close the ticket since it would be handled automatically (and better) by the recordefile schema change

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wagnerrp:

im just looking at this 'clearplay' stuff

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wagnerrp:

basically, its a custom dvd player that takes a usb key with a filter file

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keld:

hmm, I went to mytbackend and deleted all my video sources. made a new one, scanned and it found all my fta channels. Then in mythfrontend I could watch livetv, but in the eit it would not let me record, and none of my rules caught enaything.

[20:39:57]

wagnerrp:

it skips and mutes certain areas of the video

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jokajak:

keld: did you run mythfilldatabase?

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jokajak:

ok, next question, i have a hvr1600 that i recently purchased. i had to recompile the kernel to enable it to be detected by the tuner module. now mythbackend is stating that the device is not a ivtv driver

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keld:

yes, that id done automatically when exiting mythbackend. But I did not exit mythbackend befor making a new source

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jokajak:

whoa, i think there's a memory leak in mythbackend :( it was just using 79.5% of 4G of ram

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7306

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elmargol:

last time i checked mythtv did not support dvb very well. how is it nowadays?

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wagnerrp:

works great

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wagnerrp:

you must have not been around for several years

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elmargol:

Last time i checked was about 3 years ago

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elmargol:

I used vdr since then

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wagnerrp:

yeah, should have still worked fine 3 years ago

[21:14:55]

sphery:

elmargol: MythTV's 64-bit support is wonderful. It's the proprietary, closed stuff that will get you. Things like Skype or Flash (though Adobe now has a Flash 10.2 alpha for 64-bit GNU/Linux).

[21:15:01]

elmargol:

Live tv was an issue back then for me

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wagnerrp:

elmargol: it only doesnt support those 'full featured' cards VDR seems to like so much

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sphery:

Live TV still isn't a focus of MythTV

[21:15:20]

elmargol:

sphery, this is going to be a mythtv only setup

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elmargol:

sphery, does this mean live tv is going to suck?

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sphery:

well, it's not the ideal experience

[21:15:53]

wagnerrp:

livetv will work as it always has

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wagnerrp:

what specific problem were you having 3 years ago?

[21:16:09]

elmargol:

last time i checked channel switching was painfully slow

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sphery:

MythTV is really meant to record any show you might possibly want to watch, then you watch it on your own schedule

[21:16:37]

wagnerrp:

how fast do you expect it to take?

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sphery:

If you do MythTV correctly, you always have something better to watch than whatever garbage is airing when you sit down

[21:16:45]

wagnerrp:

channel switching with digital tuners is slow in general

[21:17:13]

wagnerrp:

2–3 seconds is pretty standard for most hardware ive seen (STBs included)

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elmargol:

wagnerrp, I don't agree. vdr does a switch in under half a second

[21:17:36]

wagnerrp:

i dont believe that

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elmargol:

at least on my hardware

[21:17:57]

elmargol:

Well my hardware does it in hardware and not software.

[21:17:58]

dustybin:

im gonna write a mythtv howto here: http://wizbox.net/

[21:18:00]

wagnerrp:

you cant begin playback until you hit that first keyframe

[21:18:16]

wagnerrp:

and the shortest gaps ive ever seen are a half second

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elmargol:

my new setup is going to use software... I don't expect the same performance

[21:18:45]

elmargol:

wagnerrp, I had a full features card. channel switching in hardware...

[21:18:50]

wagnerrp:

and thats not considering the tuning and lock time

[21:18:53]

wagnerrp:

doesnt matter

[21:19:23]

wagnerrp:

the latency in the tuner hardware, and waiting for that first keyframe should take at least a second

[21:19:40]

elmargol:

well never mind I don't care about live tv too much since there is only crap on tv anyway

[21:19:49]

elmargol:

i use it just for live events like soccer

[21:19:54]

wagnerrp:

anyway, because mythtv has the frontend/backend split

[21:20:03]

wagnerrp:

to allow for multiple networked machines

[21:20:12]

wagnerrp:

there will always be a significant gap between channel changing

[21:20:21]

wagnerrp:

thats for everything, digital and analog

[21:20:46]

sphery:

elmargol: my thoughts on why you should record even the live events, like soccer: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/387302#387302

[21:20:52]

elmargol:

any experience about archlinux and mythtv? do you know if there are any bugs I should know about?

[21:21:15]

sphery:

elmargol: If you like Arch, I recommend LinHES

[21:21:41]

elmargol:

sphery, isn't linhes a strange archlinux fork?

[21:21:46]

sphery:

from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Packages -> http://knoppmyth.net/index.html

[21:22:02]

sphery:

AIUI, it's just ArchLinux already configured for MythTV

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elmargol:

I talked to someone from #linhes today he claimed it has not much in common

[21:22:21]

dustybin:

archlinux = slackware with a dep manager

[21:22:30]

jams:

no not really

[21:22:38]

elmargol:

dustybin, there is a slackware using pacman now

[21:22:47]

sphery:

elmargol: jams would be the one to say

[21:22:51]

dustybin:

slackware pholosophy is no dep manager

[21:23:07]

elmargol:

dustybin, i use archlinux full time on my netbook for about a year now, works just fine, and building custom packages is a dream

[21:23:13]

dustybin:

man, hard drives are cheap, install all the libs, no worry

[21:23:37]

bjd:

what?

[21:23:45]

dustybin:

install everything

[21:24:01]

RyeBrye:

I alwasy record sports – especially (american) football – I figure if I get to the end of the game at roughtly the same time as everyone else that's good... but I can skip over halftime, commercials, and watch it at 1.3x speed and it is more interesting (in my opinion)

[21:24:24]

sphery:

RyeBrye: +1

[21:24:29]

elmargol:

RyeBrye, I record live tv aswell in order to have replays

[21:24:30]

sphery:

that's the way to do it

[21:24:41]

sphery:

and you don't have to worry if you get home late and the game already started without you

[21:24:45]

elmargol:

And pause FF if I have to get a new beer

[21:24:57]

Beirdo:

or take a leak... beer--

[21:24:58]

dustybin:

unless your building some ultra compact embedded system, i dont see why people need a dep manager

[21:25:09]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, that post is pretty close to how I record stuff... I wish that there was a good free datasource for game data so someone could officially resurrect that old plugin that would extend sports recordings for you automatically

[21:25:31]

sphery:

elmargol: but if it's a normal recording, it starts /without you/ and you can actually do something productive with the time you wait to let it get ahead of you so you can FFWD through commercials, etc.

[21:25:38]

RyeBrye:

I pad them all by an hour

[21:25:46]

sphery:

Live TV is so 1990

[21:25:47]

elmargol:

I'm wondering if there is a way to automatically delete downloaded contend after I have seen it?

[21:25:59]

sphery:

It's only purpose is to deal with a lack of HDD space

[21:26:00]

RyeBrye:

download it all to /tmp and reboot frequently

[21:26:19]

elmargol:

sphery, I do that for tv shows. automatically start recording. wait 30 minutes watch the show. skip adds

[21:26:43]

sphery:

and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152245 is why lack of HDD space isn't a problem today

[21:26:58]

elmargol:

RyeBrye, I have a folder on my NAS where I automatically download podcasts. I'm wondering if there is a way to automatically delete watched shows after n days?

[21:27:11]

sphery:

elmargol: In MythTV, you set it to record into the Live TV recording group, and it's deleted after 1 day

[21:27:35]

elmargol:

sphery, I'm not talking about recorded contend

[21:27:39]

sphery:

elmargol: Or you set autoexpire to expire Watched shows before unwatched, and tell it to automatically mark shows as watched after you watch them

[21:28:03]

sphery:

ah, for podcasts, I don't know how to handle that

[21:28:15]

elmargol:

atm I use custom scripts for that

[21:28:52]

elmargol:

Is there a commandline interface or something for mythtv?

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sphery:

closest is the bindings--of which the most useful is the Python bindings

[21:29:24]

sphery:

there's a network control capability that allows you to send keys or commands to the frontend

[21:29:28]

elmargol:

guess writing a python script is the solution then :)

[21:30:07]

sphery:

but other than performing the functions of a remote control, interfacing pretty much requires use of bindings

[21:30:40]

sphery:

(i.e. remote control is fine for interactive frontend/UI activities)

[21:30:52]

elmargol:

ATM i move watched podcasts to a subfolder called old. and have a crontab that deleted files in old that are older than 14 days

[21:31:09]

elmargol:

sorry for my bad english by the way *g*

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elmargol:

Any news on bluray support? :)

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elmargol:

dustybin, RyeBrye sphery do you mind If I ask what distribution you are using?

[21:39:21]

RyeBrye:

I've got ubuntu on most of mine atm

[21:39:36]

dustybin:

elmargol: Slackware, a full Slackware install = you dont need any extra deps for MythTV to work

[21:39:56]

elmargol:

dustybin, testing slackware is on my todo list for a long time :)

[21:40:10]

elmargol:

dustybin, I'm going to try it this winter for sure :)

[21:40:18]

dustybin:

messing around with silly deps to save a bit of hard drive space is a waste of time IMO

[21:40:47]

elmargol:

dustybin, I afree 2TB hdds are cheap now

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elmargol:

agree

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dustybin:

Slackware = vanilla, nothing has been modified, all the apps are installed untouched

[21:42:42]

dustybin:

just how the project owner created them

[21:43:43]

dustybin:

compare HTTPD on debian/ubuntu and slackware/vanilla and you will see what i mean :D

[21:44:08]

dustybin:

same goes with mythtv

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elmargol:

dustybin, thats why I moved from ubuntu to archlinux. ubuntu is too modified for my taste.

[21:48:36]

elmargol:

dustybin, thank you for the suggestion I'm going to try slackware for sure :)

[21:48:44]

sphery:

what, you like your SSL keys to be cryptographically unpredictable?

[21:49:00]

dustybin:

the twisted thing about ubuntu, if you compare there first release to what it is now, _LOTS_ of important sytem hierchy has moved / changed, to me that is EEEEEK

[21:49:27]

elmargol:

dustybin, the xserver did not work for about 12 years for me. thats why I moved to archlinux.

[21:50:00]

elmargol:

ubuntu had some strange custom patches... I did fail a bugreport... did not get any helpfull response. -> moved to archlinux everything worked as intended

[21:50:11]

dustybin:

i assume arch trys to keep things vanilla close as possible

[21:50:22]

elmargol:

rofl fill a bug report

[21:50:41]

elmargol:

dustybin, yes they try for most packages at least

[21:51:02]

dustybin:

slackware is controlled by 1 person, thats what makes it tidy, clean and logical

[21:51:18]

elmargol:

If you have a rolling release like arch there is just no way to can maintain a huge amount of patches

[21:51:38]

elmargol:

-to +you

[21:52:09]

elmargol:

Waiting 6 months for a new firefox version is soooo stupid :)

[21:52:45]

dustybin:

i dont understand the logic..

[21:53:05]

dustybin:

if i want the latest firefox, i customize a slackbuild, compile and install, job done

[21:53:08]

elmargol:

+ backporting security fixes for outdated code must be a nightmare for maintainers

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elmargol:

dustybin, well on archlinux we have the arch build system. it is similar... If i need a new version usually I change 2 lines and recompile

[21:54:47]

dustybin:

like you can with any distro

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elmargol:

dustybin, well i did that on debian.... It is way to complicated there if you ask me

[21:55:45]

dustybin:

i just hate the way things are modified and changed, keep it vanilla, whats wrong with keeping it how it was meant to be

[21:55:52]

Beirdo:

whew. Tonight's a low recording-count night

[21:56:06]

Beirdo:

last night with 6 concurrent recordings was fun

[21:56:24]

elmargol:

dustybin, it was nice talking to you. I have to sleep now. bye

[21:56:41]

dustybin:

100000 of people maintain debian and ubuntu, only 1 person maintains slackware :D

[21:56:55]

elmargol:

dustybin, what happens if he dies?

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Beirdo:

make that 0

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dustybin:

elmargol: we are the longest / oldest running distro out there

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sphery:

q Beirdo

[21:58:18]

sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

and I'm sure it's not 100000 anyways for deb/ubuntu

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jamesd2:

elmargol, you train another monkey to type tar -cvzf package.tar.gz <list of files in the package>

[21:59:31]

Beirdo:

jamesd2: that's really not being fair to Patrick :)

[22:00:40]

jamesd2:

slackware was my first distro, in 1995, it was state of the art then... in 1997 it fealt old now i think my 82 year old father is more upto date, and he has alzheimers..

[22:00:41]

dustybin:

sometimes you have to be a bit strict in the open source world, its not always a good thing to have the whole world involved for quality

[22:01:18]

dustybin:

thats why linus torvalds still has full control of the kernel

[22:01:45]

jduggan:

or because hes a nazi

[22:01:56]

jduggan:

;p

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dustybin:

nope, hes a nice guy

[22:02:28]

sphery:

and now he's a US citizen

[22:02:46]

sphery:

not that that means anything :)

[22:03:02]

elmargol:

well there are a bunch of nazis in the usa :)

[22:03:21]

elmargol:

have to go now for real :)

[22:03:24]

dustybin:

linus is a engineer, not a marketing guy like the microsoft people

[22:03:39]

dustybin:

infact we never know who the microsoft kernel developers are

[22:04:06]

dustybin:

all we see is marketing bill gates and that other fat guy

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skd5aner:

dustybin: not true...

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skd5aner:

dustybin: lots of the windows engineers have blogs and are semi-exposed

[22:10:16]

dustybin:

skd5aner: maybe so, but they are not presented as the people who created the microsoft os

[22:10:27]

skd5aner:

besides, Linus barely commits anything to the kernel anymore last time I checked

[22:11:12]

skd5aner:

kinda like Isaac doesn't commit more than 2–6 commits a year anymore to MythTV

[22:11:19]

dustybin:

how much code has bill gates and fat steve contributed to windows 7?

[22:11:30]

skd5aner:

does it matter?

[22:11:34]

dustybin:

sure it does

[22:11:37]

skd5aner:

why?

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Beirdo:

Linus commits plenty I bet... but mostly as merges of pulls from elsewhere

[22:11:48]

Beirdo:

dustybin: who cares?

[22:11:54]

dustybin:

i do

[22:12:06]

Beirdo:

well then I hope you don't buy any software at all

[22:12:22]

dustybin:

i dont

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Beirdo:

the people who do the work are never the ones you see publicly except in very rare cases

[22:12:43]

Beirdo:

just like the people who made your car or your clothing

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dustybin:

true

[22:13:00]

Beirdo:

who cares what face people associate with Microsoft... they are a company

[22:13:06]

dustybin:

linux doesnt have marketing people

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skd5aner:

You rarely see the people who commit to the linux kernel anymore... if I'm not mistaken, the majority of code written that gets commited to the kernel is by corporations or for-hire efforts

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Beirdo:

sure they do

[22:13:22]

skd5aner:

(i.e., commerically sponsered"

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skd5aner:

)

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Beirdo:

what is Canonical.... or RedHat...

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Beirdo:

they are companies

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skd5aner:

Linux has tons of marketting people

[22:13:52]

Beirdo:

and they have marketing people

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dustybin:

microsoft = bill gates + steve bullmer linux = linus torvalds (engineer) gnu = richard stallman (programmer)

[22:14:14]

Beirdo:

clueless = dustybin

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skd5aner:

OSI

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dustybin:

Beirdo: aye, but thats what i see from a normal user point of view

[22:14:55]

Beirdo:

I detest Microsoft as much as the next guy, but I know there are a LOT of good people getting paid good money to work there

[22:16:31]

dustybin:

if Microsoft was Linux and Linux was Microsoft (from a technical point of view), i would stick with Microsoft

[22:16:38]

skd5aner:

for F/OSS linux to get anywhere, people need to get over this "MS is teh suck" bent – it's isn't "us versus them"

[22:16:52]

** skd5aner wonders why he's getting pulled into this worthless debate **

[22:17:08]

Beirdo:

how can a company be an open-source kernel?

[22:17:21]

Beirdo:

meaningless statement

[22:17:32]

Beirdo:

MS does suck :) They are an evil behemoth

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Beirdo:

but so is Disney... Coca Cola... etc

[22:17:45]

skd5aner:

Not as evil as Apple, if we want to go there

[22:17:52]

Beirdo:

and yes, Apple

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Beirdo:

and Google

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Beirdo:

etc.

[22:18:00]

skd5aner:

Face it... it doesn't really matter

[22:18:11]

skd5aner:

if none of those companies existed, we'd be in the 1950s still

[22:18:17]

dustybin:

apple and os x = nice, os x is the nicest desktop out there IMO, but as for Apple Server eeeeek

[22:18:49]

dustybin:

apple server = re-inventing the wheel, like ubuntu server

[22:18:51]

Beirdo:

and if MS didn't exist, I wouldn't have a job

[22:18:58]

Beirdo:

at least not in Seattle

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iamlindoro:

oh Jesus Christ dustybin

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dustybin:

well, if linux had to do the office business network, it would probably fail

[22:19:25]

Beirdo:

like em or hate em... if they weren't here, the high-tech field here would be a lot smaller

[22:19:26]

dustybin:

microsoft is good at that

[22:19:29]

iamlindoro:

can't I just have one week without you lecturing like an idiot in this channel

[22:19:30]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: eeeek

[22:19:31]

iamlindoro:

just one week

[22:19:38]

** dustybin goes silent **

[22:19:41]

iamlindoro:

yes.

[22:19:42]

iamlindoro:

Do that.

[22:19:43]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: i been drinking wine!!

[22:19:47]

skd5aner:

dustybin: sigh... it's hard to take anything you say seriously if you are that hell bent against MS for reasons of "marketting" yet don't seem to think that problem applies to Apple

[22:20:02]

Beirdo:

alcohol and IRC do not mix for you, dustybin. Please learn that

[22:20:14]

dustybin:

i dont want to upset you guys

[22:20:47]

iamlindoro:

THEN SHUT UP

[22:20:50]

iamlindoro:

NOW

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dustybin:

ok

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bobnvic:

how do I run mythbackend in a terminal so the console is interactive? I would like to configure the database connection in this way if possible.

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bobnvic:

when a commflag starts the backend tries to access mysql, but tries on the run IP address. I get the statement Would you like to configure the database connection now? [console is not interactive, using default 'no']

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wagnerrp:

bobnvic: you run 'mythbackend'

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wagnerrp:

note that there is no purpose to running the backend until you have configured it in mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv-setup will configure the database connection as well

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bobnvic:

where is the database connection listed in mythtv-setup? I only see host backend IP and masterbackend IP

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bobnvic:

I have set the dbserver ip in mysql.txt and config.xml

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wagnerrp:

when you first run it, it will pop up asking for how to access the database

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wagnerrp:

it is not editable through that program afterwards

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wagnerrp:

if you wish to change it

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wagnerrp:

you either need to edit those config files directly (~/.mythtv/config.xml)

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wagnerrp:

or delete the config file so it has to ask you for that information again

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bobnvic:

I'll try deleting it then

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bobnvic:

it finds it just fine from the config.xml or mysql.txt file, then sporatically tries a different address, so there is a conflict somewhere

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bobnvic:

wagnerrp: I renamed my mysql.txt and config.xml file and ran mythtv-setup and put in the correct IP address. it appears to have created the same files again in .mythtv but I haven't noticed any issues going to the wrong dbserver. I don't know what the issue was but it appears it may be resolved. Thanks for your help!

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jams:

whew..glad i keep nightly backups. my test box just autoconnected to my production box and updated the db

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

should put a PIN on that backend

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