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| [00:00:24] | Gibby_2: | ok, how do i restore them to default? I was editing via mythweb |
| [00:00:25] | wagnerrp: | sphery: hes looking for a 'reset' |
| [00:04:39] | wagnerrp: | imho, that is /absolutely/ something that needs to go into the settings rework |
| [00:06:59] | sphery: | yes |
| [00:07:22] | sphery: | but should also allow individual reset-to-default |
| [00:12:31] | Gibby_2: | i concur and wagnerrp, as you said that did not work |
| [00:13:42] | Gibby_2: | i think i am gong to throw this remote out the window |
| [00:15:50] | wagnerrp: | i dont expect that to improve anything |
| [00:19:00] | Gibby_2: | wagnerrp: sure it will... the pleasure of this remote not being in my house anymore |
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| [00:20:00] | sphery: | or you could mention what the actual problem is and see if anyone has any suggestions |
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| [00:20:58] | Gibby_2: | it is one of the stupid ones that is recognized as a keyboard and mouse so no lirc, then it uses shift for some of its keymappings and myth doesnt distinguish between upper or lower case |
| [00:21:58] | Gibby_2: | i was trying to follow http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Generic_HID_%22MCE%22_Remotes |
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| [01:20:29] | ** wagnerrp debates a comment about transcoding HD to SD on a wall-wart-puter being a bad idea ** | |
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| [01:29:07] | sphery: | sounds like more fun on -users list |
| [01:29:38] | wagnerrp: | the mythsheeva guy talking about having to transcode to SD before trying to use it over wireless |
| [01:29:59] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:30:21] | sphery: | why record in HDTV if you can't use HDTV and have to transcode everything to SDTV to make it usable? |
| [01:30:44] | sphery: | just use a STB + PVR-x50 as your transcoder and don't ever record the HDTV |
| [01:31:22] | wagnerrp: | it was in response to 'the other tv is a standard def TV and may work well over wireless' |
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| [01:31:50] | wagnerrp: | he gave a valid point |
| [01:32:05] | wagnerrp: | that you would have to recompress to be able to reliably use the content over wireless |
| [01:32:13] | wagnerrp: | but the proper advice would be 'run wires anyway' |
| [01:32:21] | sphery: | yeah, I'll agree trying to use HDTV (at HDTV bitrates) over wireless is wrong |
| [01:32:31] | sphery: | (at least a bad idea) |
| [01:32:33] | wagnerrp: | its just ironic that advice coming from the guy supporting powerless backends |
| [01:32:36] | sphery: | yeah |
| [01:33:51] | sphery: | but if you don't count the quad-core, 125W TDP CPU based system toward your power calculations, it doesn't affect the argument's validity :) |
| [01:36:33] | sphery: | tgm4883: any chance you're around? |
| [01:36:47] | tgm4883: | sphery, nope |
| [01:36:52] | sphery: | shucks |
| [01:37:02] | tgm4883: | you've reached tgm4883, please leave a message after the beep |
| [01:37:10] | ** tgm4883 beeps ** | |
| [01:37:18] | tgm4883: | sphery, yea whats up |
| [01:37:23] | sphery: | Beep: I was wondering what Ubuntu's Qt 4.7 plans were. |
| [01:37:30] | sphery: | does 10.10 use 4.7? |
| [01:37:37] | tgm4883: | hmm |
| [01:37:39] | tgm4883: | let me check |
| [01:38:32] | tgm4883: | looks like 4.7 http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=qt . . . ;section=all |
| [01:38:51] | sphery: | Also, I'm seriously considering committing the not-incorrect parts of the patch for http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8572 (the Qt4.7 stuff), then punting the template stuff to another dev. |
| [01:38:54] | tgm4883: | thats a handy site if you want to look up what version of something is in a particular release |
| [01:39:17] | sphery: | If I commit that part now and put another patch up there with just the hacks, would it be difficult for you guys to switch whichpatch you're using? |
| [01:39:51] | tgm4883: | hmm |
| [01:39:55] | tgm4883: | probably |
| [01:40:02] | tgm4883: | i'd have to punt that question to superm1 |
| [01:40:17] | tgm4883: | it's after final freeze, so we would need a really good reason |
| [01:40:46] | sphery: | oh, so in other words, if I change trunk now, it won't affect anything except your daily builds? |
| [01:41:11] | tgm4883: | yep |
| [01:41:17] | tgm4883: | thats exactly right |
| [01:41:18] | sphery: | and same for changing 0.23-fixes? |
| [01:41:24] | tgm4883: | yea |
| [01:41:47] | tgm4883: | we would need a SRU to get a new build into the official repos, even for 0.23.x |
| [01:42:37] | sphery: | yeah, it's not so much that I wanted you to change which patch goes into the version you ship as me wanting to let you know that I'm probably about to break your daily builds |
| [01:43:12] | sphery: | I want to get everything in that's correct, and get some help on the rest--which is easier to do if the only part of the patch is "the rest" |
| [01:44:02] | tgm4883: | ok, then yea, patch what you need, we should be able to work it out on our side |
| [01:44:20] | sphery: | cool |
| [01:44:57] | tgm4883: | what kind of breakage do you think we are going to have? just dependency issues? |
| [01:45:18] | sphery: | No, you guys are applying the patch that's in #8572, and I'm going to commit part of it |
| [01:45:33] | sphery: | so you'll have a partially-applied patch in your build |
| [01:45:44] | sphery: | so it's just a matter of taking out the already-applied stuff |
| [01:45:58] | sphery: | I'll put a patch on the ticket that has the remainder of what you're applying--the hacks that are wrong |
| [01:46:02] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [01:46:09] | sphery: | so you'll just need to switch patches |
| [01:46:18] | tgm4883: | ok, we can do that. Thanks |
| [01:46:41] | sphery: | on the bright side, it will be the same remainder for 0.23-fixes and trunk, though (currently you have 2 slightly different patches, because of changes in the context around the changes the patch makes) |
| [01:47:51] | tgm4883: | nice |
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| [02:28:13] | wylie: | curious if anyone is using http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Streaming_to_iPod_touch_or_iPhone |
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| [02:31:15] | tank-man: | not me |
| [02:33:11] | tank-man: | interesting way in how it expires the ipod recordings |
| [02:34:00] | wylie: | I recall it had the logic, if my source doesn't exist... I shouldn't. |
| [02:34:21] | tank-man: | yea |
| [02:34:50] | tank-man: | i was trying to do something like that for psp, but gave up |
| [02:35:42] | tank-man: | cause my ps3 could transcode in realtime to the psp |
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| [02:56:31] | Bmyers: | wylie: u run'n it? |
| [02:56:49] | ** lyricnz would be super interested in a decent mythfe for ipad solution ** | |
| [02:57:33] | Bmyers: | i bet. i have a mini ipad |
| [02:57:36] | wylie: | No; I was thinking about it — instead I am writing a job that will just put flagged Job #1 shows somewhere for me — in both an iphone and ipad format. |
| [02:57:49] | wylie: | something like ffmpeg -y -i "${directory}/${file}" -vcodec libx264 -acodec ac3 -s 640x360 -b 1280k -bt 1280k -maxrate 1496k -level 30 -bufsize 2m -flags +loop -cmp +chroma -me_range 16 -g 300 -keyint_min 25 -sc_threshold 40 -i_qfactor 0.71 -rc_eq 'blurcplx^(1-qcomp)' -qcomp 0.6 -qmin 10 -qmax 51 -qdiff 4 -coder 0 -bf 0 -flags2 -wpred-dct8x8 -r 25 "${directory}/${file}" |
| [02:57:51] | Bmyers: | thats about what i do now |
| [02:58:25] | ** lyricnz already has a script that converts myth db/files into nice directories/filenames – I guess this could be extension of that ** | |
| [02:58:43] | wylie: | does the script work on trunk? |
| [02:59:12] | lyricnz: | haven't tried it – still using 0.23.1 |
| [02:59:18] | lyricnz: | has much changed recently? |
| [02:59:49] | wylie: | perhaps. do you have your script posted anywhere? |
| [02:59:58] | lyricnz: | it's just mythrename.pl plus a few bash things |
| [03:00:26] | lyricnz: | I guess new version is http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl |
| [03:00:38] | tgm4883: | not sure if I understand the aspect ratio when watching a show. I've got a 16:10 screen (1440x900), but it doesn't show up correctly unless I switch it to 4:3 |
| [03:00:48] | tgm4883: | switch the aspect ratio in mythtv that is |
| [03:00:59] | wylie: | i'll check it; ty — bbiab, need to feed kids and tuck them in bed |
| [03:01:34] | tgm4883: | mythtv says the show is 720p, but doesn't give me an actual resolution |
| [03:01:59] | tgm4883: | i've left the aspect ratio alone on my other frontend, everything looks fine there, so it seems to be just my 16:10 screen |
| [03:02:07] | lyricnz: | 720p = 1280x720 |
| [03:03:44] | tgm4883: | lyricnz, I'm not sure 720p denotes that it is widescreen though (although the show is in widescreen) |
| [03:04:02] | tgm4883: | so yea, probably 1280x720, still not sure why I have to select 4:3 to get it to look right though |
| [03:05:19] | tgm4883: | of course, if the ABC logo isn't perfectly round, I could be completely off here |
| [03:08:14] | lyricnz: | is your linux in some odd resolution? perhaps you have non-square pixels |
| [03:08:19] | lyricnz: | what's your native tv res? |
| [03:15:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | check to make sure the DisplaySize in your xorg.conf file shows a 16:10 aspect ratio. the 'millimeters' numbers from "xdpyinfo | grep dimensions" should be a 16:10 ratio. for instance, my 16:9 plasma is actually 1024x768 with non-square pixels and my DisplaySize is set to "400 227" to indicate that it actually is a 16:9 screen even though the resolution is 4:3. |
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| [03:22:05] | lyricnz: | Hmm, rebooted my myth box for the first time in about a year. Serious disk checks taking place. Ugh. |
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| [03:25:42] | tgm4883: | lyricnz, Captain_Murdoch it's my desktop PC. Native resolution on my monitor is 1440x900 |
| [03:26:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | tgm4883, so check your display size using the command I gave and verify that's showing a correct 16:10 aspect ratio |
| [03:26:08] | tgm4883: | dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (381x301 millimeters) |
| [03:26:25] | tgm4883: | nope |
| [03:26:30] | lyricnz: | physical dimension looks wrong? |
| [03:26:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | update those. they don't have to be correct, just need to be 16:10. |
| [03:26:58] | tgm4883: | update the dimensions |
| [03:26:59] | tgm4883: | ? |
| [03:27:42] | Captain_Murdoch: | yes, using the 'DisplaySize' setting in your xorg.conf http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Display_Size |
| [03:28:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | there's a 1440x900 example in there it looks like. |
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| [03:29:17] | tgm4883: | yep I see it |
| [03:29:26] | tgm4883: | I don't have a monitor section though, guess i'll just add it |
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| [03:54:37] | ** lyricnz sighs. Linux/dvb still breaks my balls. ** | |
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| [04:52:32] | high-rez: | Hmm, lpcmm 5.1 isn't working for me :( |
| [04:52:40] | high-rez: | s/lpcmm/lpcm |
| [04:52:52] | high-rez: | Just the left and right channel are going out |
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| [05:02:32] | [R]: | your using trunk? |
| [05:03:02] | wagnerrp: | sphery: maybe we'll start calling you schultz |
| [05:04:46] | sphery: | heh |
| [05:05:38] | wagnerrp: | one who's a bit more verbose about their denial anyway |
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| [05:12:32] | Some_Person: | Does anyone here have an HVR-1500? |
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| [05:40:39] | high-rez: | R: Yeah. The alsa:plughw stuff no longer works.. Interesting that the hdmi specific stuff now works fine |
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| [05:42:22] | high-rez: | hmmf |
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| [06:05:28] | high-rez: | what in the world |
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| [06:08:47] | Some_Person: | Can anyone suggest a good linux app for watching over the air TV (but not recording)? |
| [06:09:37] | wagnerrp: | mplayer, kaffeine, xine, vlc, the list goes on... |
| [06:11:40] | Some_Person: | How would you set up virtual channels and such in those programs? |
| [06:11:58] | wagnerrp: | `scan`? |
| [06:12:18] | wagnerrp: | some use a channels.conf from the `scan` utility, others have their own scanners |
| [06:12:27] | wagnerrp: | you would have to ask in their channels for assistance |
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| [06:14:59] | Some_Person: | Anyway, how would you set up virtual channels and such in those programs? |
| [06:15:20] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt, i dont use those programs |
| [06:15:21] | wagnerrp: | you would have to ask in their channels for assistance |
| [06:15:54] | Some_Person: | I wouldn't want to be forced to use the stupid physical channels for everything |
| [06:16:47] | wagnerrp: | you would have to ask in their channels if their program supports virtual mapping |
| [06:17:05] | Some_Person: | Can you post that list again? X crashed and I had to reboot |
| [06:17:15] | wagnerrp: | <wagnerrp> mplayer, kaffeine, xine, vlc, the list goes on... |
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| [07:06:10] | GlemSom: | Seems mythfildatabase guesses airdate when not provided by the xml file (all my shows are marked as 2010), Is there a way to make mythtv NOT show airdate for programs and recordings? As this is completely unneeded in my case. |
| [07:06:39] | wagnerrp: | adjust the theme to not show the airdate |
| [07:07:07] | wagnerrp: | mythtv just provides the information |
| [07:07:15] | wagnerrp: | its up to the theme to decide what and where to place it |
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| [07:07:43] | GlemSom: | wagnerrp, Ok, I'll have to edit the theme then...or might there be an option for it ? |
| [07:07:52] | wagnerrp: | no, no option |
| [07:08:03] | GlemSom: | ok |
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| [07:10:52] | Criggie: | Hi all – trying to compile 0.23 on my new 64 bit box..... and I'm getting this error from ld |
| [07:10:56] | Criggie: | /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible ../libmythsamplerate/libmythsamplerate-0.23.1.a when searching for -lmythsamplerate-0.23.1 |
| [07:11:15] | Criggie: | then it complains "cannot find -lmythsamplerate-0.23.1" |
| [07:11:22] | Criggie: | what am I doing wrong ? |
| [07:11:24] | [R]: | it was a fresh checkout? and your pulling 23-fixes? |
| [07:11:39] | Criggie: | yup – 23-fixes and it wwas oh wait |
| [07:12:03] | Criggie: | I'll try something.... |
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| [07:42:01] | Criggie: | [R]: my idea failed – I deleted the entire directory and got it again via SVN |
| [07:42:07] | Criggie: | still the same error |
| [07:42:16] | [R]: | how very odd |
| [07:42:29] | Criggie: | agreed :\ |
| [07:42:37] | [R]: | you can post the ml |
| [07:43:18] | Criggie: | okay will do – thanks |
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| [07:45:11] | GlemSom: | It seems all themes are using the "webbrowser" for showing program details. The font here is really small (The rest of the UI looks great)... Any idea how I can change that ? |
| [07:46:58] | high-rez: | Turns out to be an alsa issue (i think). DD doesnt appear to pass properly on any of my plughw devices, but LPCM is fine |
| [07:47:04] | high-rez: | (on one of em) |
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| [07:49:28] | high-rez: | I'm thinking I'll hack alsa source again to only detect my specifc device. Seems to get confused when there's multiple HDMI devices :/ |
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| [09:27:55] | lapion: | Hell |
| [09:27:57] | lapion: | hello |
| [09:28:32] | lapion: | I am having trouble with the backend not being able to access alsa sound drivers |
| [09:28:41] | lapion: | I mean sound devices |
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| [09:28:58] | lapion: | can anyone help me ? |
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| [10:00:44] | paul-h: | GlemSom: Press menu and change the zoom level to whatever you want or use the '<' and '>' keybindings to do the same, it will remember your setting when you exit |
| [10:04:26] | paul-h: | Gibby_away: are you the same Gibby who opened the mythzoneminder ticket? I have some questions when you are around. |
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| [10:55:49] | GlemSom: | paul-h, Thanks, I didn't know that :P |
| [10:56:10] | GlemSom: | paul-h, I edited the HTML page instead... :P |
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| [11:15:25] | DjMadness: | is there anyone that could point out a DVB-T tuner where the CI module works under linux ? (asking in here due to the fact at least one fo you probally have one) |
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| [11:46:21] | tank-man: | DjMadness, nope Ive got analog cable |
| [11:47:33] | DjMadness: | tank-man: no problem :) hopefully someone in here has such a setup and i'll one day get the answer :) |
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| [13:52:19] | sqiush102: | trying to fix my qam channels. so I removed all tuners, added them back, added back the video sources, did a cable full scan, edited the chanels with help of zap2it to guess the xmltvid no's, but after a mythfilldatabase --refresh-all, they still don't show. what have I done wrong? |
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| [13:53:55] | sqiush102: | and btw is there an easier way to figure out the xmltvid's? i tried to sit with the channel listing, watching the channel and the zap2it matching the schedule to determin xmltvid's... there must be an easier way? |
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| [13:55:31] | DGnome: | sphery: should have remembered |
| [13:55:40] | sphery: | sqiush102: what do you mean by "they still don't show" |
| [13:55:48] | sphery: | DGnome: I should have, too :) |
| [13:56:02] | sqiush102: | in the mythtv program listing |
| [13:56:11] | sphery: | then your Input Connections are broken |
| [13:57:00] | sphery: | sqiush102: do both the video sources and capture card portions of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (again, if that's what you just did), and pay close attention when rescanning and reconnecting things |
| [13:57:24] | sphery: | sqiush102: and if you're using US cable TV, make sure you have a sufficiently-new revision of MythTV |
| [13:58:02] | sqiush102: | ok thanks sphery, i'll go review every step I did, and I have the latest mythbuntu |
| [13:58:49] | sphery: | sufficiently-new means 0.23-fixes r26178 or trunk/unstable/development r26187 or higher |
| [13:59:05] | sphery: | mythbackend --version should tell you your revision |
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| [14:02:30] | sqiush102: | umm branches/release-0-23-fixes and i guess r24158. maybe there is a problem |
| [14:03:15] | sphery: | sounds like you have stopped upgrades at 0.23.0... The channel scanner was much improved in 0.23.1's -fixes |
| [14:03:49] | sphery: | so if you're only using *buntu systems (i.e. don't have any systems for which you can't get 0.23.1 packages), then upgrade to 0.23.1's -fixes |
| [14:04:04] | sphery: | http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds should help you |
| [14:04:30] | DGnome: | sphery: i deleted everything myth-related, rebuilt and still segfault... Anything else I should check? |
| [14:04:55] | sphery: | you deleted everything returned by that ls I gave you? |
| [14:05:25] | DGnome: | sphery: manually, but yes, no myth-related files under /usr/ |
| [14:05:44] | sphery: | and what about the ones that were in /usr/local?\ |
| [14:06:03] | sphery: | want to pastebin the output of the ls: ls -l /usr/{,local/}lib/{mythtv,libmyth*} /usr/{,local/}include/mythtv |
| [14:09:32] | DGnome: | sphery: http://paste.ubuntu.com/496485/ |
| [14:09:43] | Hoxzer: | m |
| [14:10:03] | sphery: | DGnome: OK, so now you've cleaned everything off, so you just need to re-install |
| [14:10:39] | DGnome: | sphery: i'll rm the source-tree just incase also |
| [14:11:02] | sphery: | that should be ok |
| [14:11:35] | sphery: | but if after re-installing the libs, you still segfault, we will likely need you to do a profile build and then get a GDB backtrace to make any more progress determining the problem |
| [14:11:47] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging |
| [14:12:17] | sphery: | and if you need to do that, you'll need to rebuild, anyway (with --compile-type=profile |
| [14:13:22] | DGnome: | sphery: mmmmkay |
| [14:14:16] | DGnome: | sphery: i also seemed to have some old libmyth-debs with rc status in apt, purged those also |
| [14:14:44] | sphery: | cool |
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| [14:18:13] | DGnome: | wonder how the pvr-edition of XBMC is going on... Seems like they have a long way to go when comparing how well mythtv copes with all kinds of poop versus XBMC :) |
| [14:18:38] | DGnome: | starting with deinterlacing and VDPAU-support |
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| [14:21:33] | DGnome: | sphery: no luck :/ |
| [14:22:14] | DGnome: | i generally dislike segfaults |
| [14:22:34] | DGnome: | really |
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| [14:25:02] | DGnome: | sphery: backend works flawlessly, tested with xbmc |
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| [14:34:15] | DGnome: | sphery: buildig with profiling... |
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| [14:44:55] | DGnome: | sphery: ran with GDB as instructed in chapter 22.2, what next? :) |
| [14:47:48] | sphery: | DGnome: did you get a gdb.txt with a nice backtrace? |
| [14:47:53] | sphery: | if so, please pastebin |
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| [14:53:19] | knightr: | sphery: Hi! I updated the drivers and it is still unstable (getting worse day by day I would say) so sounds like and hardware problem now... |
| [14:53:45] | sphery: | :( |
| [14:53:52] | sphery: | that's never fun |
| [14:54:37] | DGnome: | sphery: http://paste.ubuntu.com/496509/ |
| [14:56:25] | sphery: | DGnome: OK, it seems if you disable media monitor, it will likely sidestep the segfault |
| [14:57:13] | sphery: | DGnome: do you have media in a removable drive? (CD/DVD/SD/MMC/...) |
| [14:57:47] | DGnome: | sphery: nope |
| [14:58:09] | sphery: | for some reason it's trying to start a plugin |
| [14:58:15] | DGnome: | mkay |
| [14:58:26] | sphery: | how exactly are you starting mythfrontend? |
| [14:58:31] | DGnome: | is it possible to turn the monitor off by manipulating the db? :) |
| [14:59:06] | DGnome: | sphery: mythfrontend from command-line, as a normal user with all kinds of added groups |
| [14:59:40] | sphery: | #7 0x00007fffe0a0ce0f in setupKeys () at main.cpp:105 |
| [14:59:53] | sphery: | makes me wonder if you still have a MythControls plugin around somewhere |
| [15:00:05] | sphery: | as that's no longer a plugin |
| [15:00:09] | DGnome: | oh |
| [15:00:13] | sphery: | and would likely cause a segfault... |
| [15:00:21] | DGnome: | remember a filename? |
| [15:00:34] | sphery: | no... :( |
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| [15:01:35] | DGnome: | searching for mythcontrol... |
| [15:02:14] | sphery: | what's in: ls -l /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins |
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| [15:02:57] | DGnome: | sphery: nothing |
| [15:03:37] | DGnome: | /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins: |
| [15:03:40] | DGnome: | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2993493 Sep 19 17:39 libmythgallery.so |
| [15:03:40] | DGnome: | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 11778949 Sep 19 17:40 libmythmusic.so |
| [15:03:40] | DGnome: | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3779217 Sep 19 17:40 libmythnetvision.so |
| [15:03:40] | DGnome: | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8089234 Sep 19 17:40 libmythvideo.so |
| [15:03:55] | sphery: | hmmm... those are all good plugins |
| [15:04:04] | sphery: | so probably not mythcontrols |
| [15:04:53] | sphery: | DGnome: is it trying to upgrade your database schema? |
| [15:05:00] | DGnome: | uhm |
| [15:05:05] | DGnome: | dont think sp |
| [15:05:07] | sphery: | log file would say |
| [15:05:08] | DGnome: | so.. |
| [15:06:06] | DGnome: | sphery: not trying to update |
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| [15:06:59] | DGnome: | sphery: themes and everything have also been nuked |
| [15:08:36] | knightr: | sphery: nope, it's not... Sorry I did not see your reply as I was/am on #mythtv... |
| [15:15:01] | DGnome: | wish I knew more about debugging.. |
| [15:19:51] | sphery: | So, it's MythGallery that's segfaulting |
| [15:20:01] | DGnome: | oh |
| [15:20:01] | sphery: | something to do with the mediamonitor stuff |
| [15:20:26] | sphery: | just to verify, can you: mv /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythgallery.so{,-orig} |
| [15:20:33] | sphery: | then try starting mythfrontend |
| [15:23:00] | DGnome: | sphery: got one step aheaf |
| [15:23:02] | DGnome: | ahead |
| [15:23:20] | DGnome: | 2010-09–19 18:22:22.668 Current MythMusic Schema Version (MusicDBSchemaVer): 1017 |
| [15:23:23] | DGnome: | Segmentation fault |
| [15:23:33] | DGnome: | mythmusic has not appeared before |
| [15:23:51] | DGnome: | should we remove all plugins? |
| [15:23:54] | sphery: | OK... Let's put mythgallery back: mv /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythgallery.so{-orig,} |
| [15:24:22] | DGnome: | done |
| [15:24:46] | sphery: | Now, let's try: mythfrontend -O MonitorDrives=0 |
| [15:25:36] | DGnome: | yes! that did it |
| [15:25:45] | sphery: | :( |
| [15:25:46] | DGnome: | wonder why the media monitor dies... |
| [15:26:22] | sphery: | Unfortunately, the backtrace doesn't have Qt debug symbols, so I have no idea why the Qt code that MediaMonitor is calling is causing a segfault |
| [15:26:50] | sphery: | To work around the issue long term, you should go into settings and disable Media Monitor, then you won't need to use -O MonitorDrives=0 |
| [15:26:50] | DGnome: | atleast this will give me wifeacceptance++ :) |
| [15:27:47] | sphery: | "Monitor CD/DVD (and other removable devices)" in frontend settings, Utilities/Setup|Setup|General |
| [15:28:11] | sphery: | the code that's being used is pretty standard Qt code... |
| [15:28:15] | DGnome: | sphery: turned it off and now it segfaults with and without -O... :D |
| [15:28:22] | sphery: | QFileInfo is used all over |
| [15:28:54] | sphery: | are you sure you saved it? |
| [15:29:05] | DGnome: | umm, quite sure |
| [15:29:06] | sphery: | you did Next, Next, Next... all the way to Finish? |
| [15:29:37] | DGnome: | i can allways edit the value in the DB :) |
| [15:29:39] | sphery: | can you check with: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value = 'MonitorDrives';" |
| [15:30:08] | tgm4883: | sphery, DGnome are you still trying to turn off the media monitor? |
| [15:30:08] | tgm4883: | I had that same issue with the mythbuntu theme, launch the frontend with a different theme like terra |
| [15:30:22] | sphery: | tgm4883: weird... |
| [15:30:26] | DGnome: | tgm4883: ok, will try |
| [15:30:40] | sphery: | DGnome: mythfrontend -O Theme=Terra |
| [15:31:11] | ** sphery wonders how theme selection could affect media monitor... ** | |
| [15:31:16] | DGnome: | that did nothing |
| [15:31:36] | sphery: | DGnome: what was the setting value, above? |
| [15:31:39] | DGnome: | but after turning media monitor off, it segfaults any way I try |
| [15:31:43] | DGnome: | sphery: one moment |
| [15:32:45] | tgm4883: | sphery, i'm getting crazy lag on my irc for some reason, so I'm not sure why it is still segfaulting for DGnome, doesn't seem to be the same reason though |
| [15:32:59] | tgm4883: | I filed a bug against mythbuntu for it, since it seems to be a mythbuntu theme issue |
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| [15:33:19] | DGnome: | sphery: | MonitorDrives | 0 | leonov | |
| [15:33:21] | sphery: | tgm4883: yeah, I wasn't questioning what you said, but trying to figure out what we could be doing that could cause that symptom |
| [15:33:28] | sphery: | DGnome: and now mythfrontend -O MonitorDrives=0 segfaults, too? |
| [15:33:33] | DGnome: | sphery: yes |
| [15:33:34] | tgm4883: | let me see if I can find it again |
| [15:34:32] | sphery: | DGnome: Like I said, QFileInfo is used all over, so it's possible you're now hitting another case where it's used, and you have a problem with your system config (kernel, file system drivers, Qt compile/install, ...) that's getting triggered when we use it elsewhere... |
| [15:34:38] | DGnome: | sphery: mythfrontend -O MonitorDrives=1,Theme=terra <-- this works |
| [15:35:16] | DGnome: | tgm4883: mythfrontend -O MonitorDrives=1,Theme=terra <-- this works |
| [15:35:23] | sphery: | DGnome: ok, strange... Try turning MediaMonitor back on, then switch the setting to Terra permanently in Appearance settings |
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| [15:35:58] | DGnome: | son of a b**** |
| [15:36:14] | DGnome: | now terra segfaults too, no consistecy |
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| [15:37:02] | DGnome: | monitordrives=0 and terra: |
| [15:37:04] | DGnome: | 2010-09–19 18:36:32.698 Registering Internal as a media playback plugin. |
| [15:37:04] | DGnome: | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' what(): std::bad_alloc |
| [15:37:07] | DGnome: | Aborted |
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| [15:38:41] | sphery: | bad_alloc means memory issues |
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| [15:39:05] | sphery: | you're running out of memory? |
| [15:39:12] | sphery: | do you have swap enabled? |
| [15:39:41] | sphery: | that would also explain the inconsistency in the crashes |
| [15:40:32] | dustybin: | OUT OF MEMORY |
| [15:40:35] | dustybin: | READY. |
| [15:42:26] | DGnome: | 218M free RAM |
| [15:42:35] | DGnome: | 3/8192 SWAP used |
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| [15:43:09] | DGnome: | weird |
| [15:43:13] | sphery: | then it may be that it can't allocate sufficient contiguous space or something? |
| [15:43:21] | sphery: | have you tried a reboot? |
| [15:43:30] | sphery: | (nice easy way to defrag memory usage :) |
| [15:44:00] | dustybin: | nobody should reboot a linux box, unless its a kernel upgrade? |
| [15:44:03] | sphery: | but until MythTV can get the memory it's requesting, it won't work |
| [15:44:31] | sphery: | dustybin: exactly, since all GNU/Linux software is perfect and bug free :) |
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| [15:53:13] | sphery: | DGnome: or maybe you have some process limits in place. You could try running with strace to see the allocation request that's failing (and see if it's something unreasonable--like requesting 4GB RAM or something) |
| [15:54:04] | sphery: | but this is definitely a strange issue--not at all common |
| [15:54:09] | sphery: | so likely something local |
| [15:55:59] | DGnome: | sphery: reboot did not help, though not seeing bad_alloc aymore |
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| [15:57:39] | DGnome: | sphery: tiny howto on strace? :) |
| [15:57:52] | sphery: | I'm not much of an strace expert |
| [15:58:06] | sphery: | but if you're not getting bad_alloc, it's probably not that useful |
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| [15:58:13] | sphery: | wanna get another backtrace? |
| [15:58:14] | DGnome: | ok |
| [15:58:22] | DGnome: | gdb? sure |
| [15:58:42] | sphery: | yeah |
| [15:58:56] | sphery: | basically, see if it's similar to your other one or wildly different |
| [15:58:59] | DGnome: | monitrdrives=0,theme=terra? |
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| [16:02:01] | sphery: | since the crashes seemed mostly unrelated to which settings were used, it shouldn't matter which way--all that matters is that you get it to crash :) |
| [16:02:46] | DGnome: | sphery: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/3BMqPkeq |
| [16:02:53] | DGnome: | ran it "vanilla" |
| [16:03:37] | sphery: | pretty much the same as the original bt |
| [16:03:45] | sphery: | can you run it again with MonitorDrives=0 |
| [16:04:02] | DGnome: | yessir |
| [16:05:26] | DGnome: | humm |
| [16:05:32] | DGnome: | parameters.. |
| [16:06:02] | DGnome: | --args.. |
| [16:06:25] | sphery: | mythfrontend -O MonitorDrives=0 |
| [16:06:55] | sphery: | it's still crashing on a new QFileInfo() |
| [16:07:24] | sphery: | wondering, also, if mythfrontend -O MonitorDrives=0 -O MediaChangeEvents=0 would help |
| [16:07:33] | sphery: | though it looks to be memory issues |
| [16:08:06] | sphery: | I'd guess if MediaChangeEvents=0 helps, it only makes it get farther before crashing |
| [16:08:51] | sphery: | Then again, it might be that you have some device that MythTV is scanning that it shouldn't be--and you need to tell it not to with Ignore Devices setting |
| [16:09:19] | DGnome: | maybe |
| [16:09:30] | DGnome: | cant seem to get arguments passed to gdb |
| [16:09:37] | sphery: | oh... that's what you mean |
| [16:09:50] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [16:10:38] | sphery: | create a "script" like that, but use: set args -l myth.log -O MonitorDrives=0 -O MediaChangeEvents=0 -v important,general,media |
| [16:10:49] | sphery: | DGnome: ^^^ |
| [16:11:01] | DGnome: | ah |
| [16:11:28] | sphery: | and if you could pastebin the log and the backtrace, that would be perfect |
| [16:14:18] | DGnome: | sphery: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/GvsUntyN |
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| [16:15:07] | sphery: | got the log file (myth.log?) |
| [16:15:24] | DGnome: | sphery: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/jpDQ7pdu |
| [16:16:32] | sphery: | :( it's not saying which device it's passing to the QFileInfo each time |
| [16:18:18] | DGnome: | :/ |
| [16:18:25] | DGnome: | should i clear the devices? |
| [16:18:37] | DGnome: | as most of them may not exist |
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| [16:22:46] | sphery: | DGnome: any chance you could apply the patch at http://mythtv.pastebin.com/MS6EySNf so we can see which devices it's scanning? |
| [16:23:39] | DGnome: | where and how do I apply? :) |
| [16:24:59] | sphery: | actually, nevermind about that |
| [16:25:07] | DGnome: | mkay |
| [16:25:53] | sphery: | let's try: mythfrontend -O IgnoreDevices= |
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| [16:26:42] | DGnome: | it seems to do the job |
| [16:26:46] | DGnome: | :) |
| [16:26:51] | DGnome: | lets try mixing thngs up |
| [16:27:01] | DGnome: | see if consistency issues appera |
| [16:27:04] | sphery: | yeah |
| [16:27:31] | sphery: | and try it with each of the devices in the list to see which is causing the issue: IgnoreDevices=/dev/root,/dev/hdd1,/dev/hda5,/dev/sda1,/dev/sda2 |
| [16:27:54] | sphery: | so, run once with IgnoreDevices=/dev/root then with IgnoreDevices=/dev/hdd1 etc |
| [16:27:58] | DGnome: | yes |
| [16:28:36] | sphery: | If you find the one that's causing problems, then go into General settings and fix the Ignore Devices setting value |
| [16:28:57] | DGnome: | yup |
| [16:34:24] | DGnome: | trying to juggle a 3m old baby with indigestion while tuning mythtv is kindof a hassle :D |
| [16:35:57] | kisak: | does mythtranscode (lossy) preserve surround sound when it's available? |
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| [16:44:17] | DGnome: | sphery: thank you guys for helping me, got it working now atleast by clearing out all devices, will correct them later. Thanks again for outstanding help. |
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| [17:07:00] | high-rez: | Does DTS-HD show up as DCA in myth? |
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| [17:35:08] | kisak: | what's the easiest way to count the number of visible channels on a video source? |
| [17:35:49] | [R]: | sql? |
| [17:36:08] | kisak: | fair enough |
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| [17:49:08] | kisak: | ok, so that tells me I have 123 channels setup to be disabled and made available on a second videosource with the same channels because they cannot be captured via firewire |
| [17:49:40] | kisak: | this is out of 331 channels |
| [17:52:36] | kisak: | the 123 channels fail to get a signal lock with "Can't handle large PAT's" |
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| [17:53:58] | kisak: | there appears to be a general trend, channels with a pacific US origin are fine while channels with an atlantic origin fail to get a lock |
| [17:54:16] | kisak: | Verizon FiOS is the provider |
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| [17:58:13] | smithna: | Hi gang, I'm running SVN, updated last night, which has been having *problems* with LiveTV. While I can eventually get LiveTV to work, most time when I try and start it the "please wait" dialog message just hangs there foreever. |
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| [17:58:36] | smithna: | I usually have to killl mythfrontend and try again (and possible again). |
| [17:58:46] | smithna: | Strangely recorded tv works just fine. |
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| [17:59:00] | kisak: | smithna: what version of mythtv and what rendering method? |
| [17:59:23] | smithna: | here is the log of it while the problem is going on... http://mythtv.pastebin.com/gfGPjhui |
| [17:59:36] | smithna: | kisak: SVN, vdpau |
| [18:00:13] | smithna: | Looking at the logs, I couldn't see anything — but I'm not as smart as some of you here.... |
| [18:00:44] | kisak: | smithna: this is newer than what I'm working with |
| [18:04:32] | smithna: | kisak: that's ok |
| [18:05:14] | smithna: | should I pass this on to the guys on the devel side? |
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| [18:10:56] | high-rez: | Any thoughts on HD bitstream pass through in linux? Is this something that is actively being worked on by the ALSA folks ? |
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| [18:13:39] | high-rez: | And of course, is there any potential quality loss when you convert the bitstreams internally and pass them via LPCM? |
| [18:15:39] | andreas: | hi guys, if have problems using nuvexport every time; is says "transcode died early" at the very beginning of the transcode process. I use mythtv 0.23.1 |
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| [18:21:37] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: no, the only 'loss' could be if you consider the DTS-HD decoder in your receiver to be of higher quality than the one mythtv uses |
| [18:21:50] | wagnerrp: | and thats only if the audio is lossy |
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| [18:40:03] | DaPsaille: | how can i watch a livetv recorc ? |
| [18:40:05] | DaPsaille: | record sorry |
| [18:40:12] | kisak: | well, QIP 7100 2 is now added to 6200ch channel changer script |
| [18:40:40] | DaPsaille: | i cannot find them in any menu |
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| [18:41:29] | andreas: | DePsaille: You have to enable visibility of live recordings in the recordings settings first |
| [18:41:31] | DaPsaille: | and it seems that in mythweb when i select records and select all groups i cannot see them .. but if i select in the drop down menu LiveTV they appear |
| [18:42:00] | DaPsaille: | Andreas : i must admit that i don't know how to ... i'm reading the documentation |
| [18:42:44] | andreas: | just click through the settings in mythfrontend |
| [18:46:06] | DaPsaille: | i'm in the settings menu ... and i'm lost ^^ |
| [18:48:46] | smithna: | DaPsaille: go into the recorded tv section, make sure you have highlighted show tites (on the left on most themes) and press menu |
| [18:49:16] | smithna: | BTW: DaPsaille what theme are you using? |
| [18:49:22] | DaPsaille: | classic |
| [18:49:41] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: And myth will output the same sampling rate as the decoded version? E.g. no compression as a result of going from a higher rate to a lower one? I ask as I have a bluray which I think is output dts-hd – and I figured the output sample rate would be higher than 48khz but maybe not? :) |
| [18:49:42] | DaPsaille: | ok i can see it in the menu |
| [18:49:48] | DaPsaille: | thanks .. but there is a problem ... |
| [18:50:01] | DaPsaille: | Livetv has 22 items, Default 9 items .. and all programs 9 items |
| [18:50:03] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: that depends on the settings and your output connection |
| [18:50:08] | DaPsaille: | so livetv is not in All programs |
| [18:50:28] | sphery: | there's a different setting to put it in All Programs |
| [18:50:34] | DaPsaille: | hahaha |
| [18:50:34] | wagnerrp: | both SPDIF and HDMI<1.3 put limitations on the kind of audio you can output |
| [18:50:42] | DaPsaille: | i like this software (really ^^ ) |
| [18:50:43] | sphery: | you've just enabled the Live TV group in Watch Recordings |
| [18:50:49] | DaPsaille: | ok |
| [18:50:50] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: I havent told myth to force a specific sr in advanced settings... My output connection is real hdmi audio (1.3) |
| [18:50:57] | sphery: | at a different place in the menu, you enable putting Live TV in All Programs |
| [18:51:09] | sphery: | I think one is a Group Filter and the other is a Group View |
| [18:51:20] | sphery: | but it's all confusing settings proliferation |
| [18:51:38] | sphery: | no one in the world understands how all these multiple switches are supposed to work together :) |
| [18:51:41] | ** wagnerrp hates the feature freeze ** | |
| [18:51:48] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: This is what I see in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/HbKe56XX |
| [18:51:56] | DaPsaille: | well .. i must admit that it is pleasant to see that i'm not alone ^^ |
| [18:53:09] | high-rez: | Btw, the bluray support is friggin FANTASTIC :) I've been hitting the audio button on my remote cycling through the codecs to see if I can hear a difference between ac3 encoding and bluray pcm/dts-hd (i can, the ac3 sounds very compressed) |
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| [18:56:37] | DaPsaille: | So, for me the setup was > menu then Change group view (not sure, i use french layout) then add |
| [18:56:50] | DaPsaille: | sorry tick Show livetv then save .. |
| [18:56:52] | DaPsaille: | pfiouuu |
| [18:56:54] | DaPsaille: | thanks to you ^^ |
| [18:57:21] | DaPsaille: | time to go see Medium with my wife, thx again ^^ |
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| [18:58:12] | kisak: | what is the condition of interlaced DCT encoding and interlaced motion estimation? |
| [18:58:36] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean? |
| [18:58:53] | kisak: | is it still beta grade? is it stable? |
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| [18:59:27] | wagnerrp: | im not entirely certain what youre asking |
| [18:59:59] | wagnerrp: | mythtv handles interlaced video just fine |
| [19:01:32] | kisak: | in the transcoder options for mpeg4 we've had two check marks, "Enable interlaced DCT encoding" and "Enable interlaced motion estimation". Both of these options have warnings that they may generate damaged video. |
| [19:02:26] | wagnerrp: | both of those things probably havent been touched in years |
| [19:03:02] | wagnerrp: | lossy transcoding in mythtranscode and framegrabber recording has been somewhat abandoned |
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| [19:03:10] | wagnerrp: | it still works, but on one really wants to touch it |
| [19:03:26] | [R]: | VICTORY... i finally found a stable baud rate |
| [19:03:53] | kisak: | well, seeing as lossless transcoding is failing horribly for me, that is my last-resort option |
| [19:04:04] | wagnerrp: | what are you trying to talk to? |
| [19:04:05] | high-rez: | 2400 baud ? |
| [19:05:34] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Any idea what gives on the non progress from ALSA with implementing HD audio pass through over HDMI? Is it a lack of interest or is it tangled up on DRM or is it just slow in coming? :) |
| [19:06:02] | [R]: | high-rez: actually, yes |
| [19:06:33] | wagnerrp: | you mean 'why are there no checkboxes for HD audio formats'? |
| [19:06:59] | wagnerrp: | my guess is that the AC3 and DTS passthrough pick up EAC3 and DTS-MA as well |
| [19:08:50] | kisak: | currently I have a removecommecial script, while it runs, if mythtranscode dies with 232 it falls into a second-chance routine, which includes remuxing the file with ffmpeg, then re-commflagging the episode before reattempting mythtranscode. If mythtranscode fails again with error 232, then it will try lossy transcoding as a last ditch effort to succeed. |
| [19:09:01] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: I understand at this moment its a limitation in ALSA that prevents eac3/dts-hd from being passed through... |
| [19:09:12] | wagnerrp: | ah, dont know about that |
| [19:09:23] | wagnerrp: | would have to ask jya and/or the alsa people |
| [19:09:26] | high-rez: | Ahh. I guess I should quietly bug takashi :) |
| [19:09:39] | wagnerrp: | you can pass 7ch LPCM though cant you? |
| [19:09:47] | wagnerrp: | 8.1, whatever that stuff is now |
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| [19:17:01] | ikke-t: | kenni, just threw in the finnish translations. I assume you are the receiver for those? |
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| [19:33:53] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: I can, I'm pretty sure. I'm passing 5.1 (i don't have 7 speakers or a 7.1 source right now : -) |
| [19:34:28] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: And I understand its not possible to pass 5.1 over SPDIF due to bandwidth limitations, so I'm fairly certain that the LPCM stuff is just fine. |
| [19:35:00] | wagnerrp: | you /can/ pas 5.1, but it has to be compressed, AC3 or DTS |
| [19:35:01] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Now the device selection (my hdmi device has 4 possible outputs – only one seems to work – and that for passing LPCM) |
| [19:35:11] | wagnerrp: | SPDIF is only rated for 2mbps |
| [19:35:31] | wagnerrp: | and 48k, 16-bit, 2-channel LPCM nearly fills that |
| [19:35:37] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Right, I'm passing 5.1 LPCM (Bluray PCM 5.1 – which I'm fairly certain is higher than 2megabit) |
| [19:35:57] | wagnerrp: | its probably 24-bit, maybe 96k |
| [19:36:23] | wagnerrp: | nearly 2MBps |
| [19:36:34] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: This is the fe output for 5.1 LPCM: AO: Opening audio device 'plughw:0,9' ch 6(6) sr 48000 sf signed 16 bit reenc 0 |
| [19:37:04] | wagnerrp: | then thats 4.5mbps |
| [19:37:37] | wagnerrp: | although i dont know why a BR would ever use LPCM when lossless compressed alternatives are available |
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| [19:38:44] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: I only have 3 disks. Casino Royal is 5.1 LPCM and AC3. The other two are music. One of them is LPCM 2.0 or 5.1 and the other is DTS (i assume dts hd – it doesn't specify) |
| [19:39:31] | wagnerrp: | AC3 or EAC3? |
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| [19:46:02] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: That's PCM. I have no EAC3 content. My one video that has "DTS" (i think its DTS-HD but myth calls it DCA – which could also be plain old DTS I'm not sure) |
| [19:46:56] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: That's something I"m confused about. When selecting audio tracks in myth if it differentiates between DTS and DTS-HD in the naming of the encoder. Would DTS-HD be called DCA like DTS or would it have another name? |
| [19:47:44] | high-rez: | Myth is showing: AFD: codec DTS has 6 channels / AFD: Opened codec 0x956931e0, id(DTS) type(Audio)... |
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| [19:48:21] | high-rez: | For LPCM out though, regardless of the source, its always should a sample rate of 48khz. So I"m not sure :) |
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| [19:50:19] | high-rez: | Amazon is showing that this is really DTS-HD. So I'm guessing myth is calling both DTS and DTS-HD DCA. |
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| [19:50:40] | high-rez: | I should probably pull the raw transport stream off of it, and make sure that its really a 48khz sample rate. |
| [19:50:55] | high-rez: | Otherwise, I think its a bug that its always ouputting 48khz lpcm. |
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| [19:51:02] | high-rez: | s/bug/feature? :) |
| [19:52:31] | iamlindoro: | Myth calls both DTS because ffmpeg has no handling of DTS-HD whatsoever other than to pull out the lossy DTS "core" |
| [19:52:49] | iamlindoro: | So, in effect, all myth gets is DTS |
| [19:53:34] | high-rez: | I see. Any thoughts on sample rate? |
| [19:53:58] | iamlindoro: | Likely misconfiguration on your part |
| [19:54:07] | high-rez: | I'm thinking I need to grab another disk with a SR higher than 48khz. |
| [19:54:29] | high-rez: | err a known SR higher than 48khz – since I don't know if any of these disks are higher than 48khz |
| [19:54:47] | high-rez: | Any idea what I could have incorrectly configured? |
| [19:55:04] | iamlindoro: | likely something to do with the resampler |
| [19:55:32] | iamlindoro: | but not my area of expertise-- just know that in most recent cases where someone thinks they have found a bug in this regard, it's actually that they has misunderstood/misconfigured audio settings |
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| [19:56:06] | tzanger: | good afternoon... is mytharchive still the de-facto standard for taking recordings, cutting out the commercials and converting to other formats? |
| [19:56:54] | wagnerrp: | no, mytharchive is specifically designed for taking recordings, and recording them to DVD |
| [19:56:57] | high-rez: | I don't think I've found a bug yet – just saying that the SR is always 48khz – which could be the native source (hence me needing to find a disk I know that has a higher sample rate audio track) |
| [19:57:21] | tzanger: | wagnerrp: ah. what should I be using? |
| [19:58:00] | wagnerrp: | mythtranscode for rtjpeg, mpeg2, or mpeg4asp |
| [19:58:06] | wagnerrp: | nuvexport for anything else |
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| [20:00:45] | tzanger: | ahh nuvexport, that's the one I was after. ALl my recordings are mpeg though (DVB-T) |
| [20:00:56] | wagnerrp: | ok? |
| [20:01:42] | tzanger: | the util's name (nuvexport) implies .nuv file support |
| [20:01:57] | wagnerrp: | no, the opposite |
| [20:02:09] | wagnerrp: | all mythtv recordings used to be nupplevideo |
| [20:02:18] | wagnerrp: | nuvexport is for exporting to something other than nuvs |
| [20:02:44] | tzanger: | right, but it's not expecting .nuv input? |
| [20:02:55] | wagnerrp: | it can handle nuvs |
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| [20:04:39] | tzanger: | gotcha, thank you |
| [20:05:05] | wagnerrp: | if you are using a DVB-T tuner, you dont have nuvs |
| [20:05:41] | tzanger: | exactly, that's why I was asking if it was limited to .nuv files |
| [20:06:13] | wagnerrp: | nuvexport is a perl wrapper around ffmpeg and mencoder |
| [20:06:39] | wagnerrp: | it should be able to handle anything those programs can handle |
| [20:08:45] | tzanger: | ok, I'm learning more about it now on the wiki |
| [20:08:49] | tzanger: | much appreciated, thank you |
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| [20:13:36] | kenni: | ikke-t: Done..and yes, either me or knightr |
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| [20:26:25] | [R]: | wtf... i hate IR |
| [20:27:10] | Beirdo: | and it hates you |
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| [20:27:52] | [R]: | lol |
| [20:29:21] | Criggie: | IR is crap – use bluetooth or RF |
| [20:29:45] | [R]: | i have neither a bluetooth nor an rf remote |
| [20:29:53] | [R]: | and i'm trying to write code for a microcontroller |
| [20:30:01] | Criggie: | me neither. My frontend has a wired keyboard. |
| [20:30:03] | [R]: | and nor do i want to write bluetooth or rf code in a microcontroller |
| [20:30:10] | Criggie: | works perfectly every time and cannot get lost :) |
| [20:31:21] | wagnerrp: | sure, but then you have a big keyboard hardwired to your frontend |
| [20:34:17] | wagnerrp: | whats when someone on the wiki coming out of the crevices after 4 years with no edits, only to ask about dish/directtv with DVB-S cards and CAMs |
| [20:34:24] | wagnerrp: | s/when/with/ |
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| [20:37:53] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [20:38:18] | ikke-t: | thanks kenni |
| [20:38:23] | [R]: | hot damn |
| [20:38:26] | [R]: | looks like its working |
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| [20:39:19] | Criggie: | wagnerrp: yeah there are downsides |
| [20:40:51] | wagnerrp: | i would love for bluetooth or rf to replace IR |
| [20:41:14] | Beirdo: | IR is far more versatile |
| [20:41:17] | wagnerrp: | but it hasnt |
| [20:41:18] | Beirdo: | and cheaper |
| [20:41:22] | wagnerrp: | more versatile than RF? |
| [20:41:31] | wagnerrp: | its the same exact thing, just a different frequency |
| [20:41:39] | [R]: | wagnerrp: but RF is going to give me cancer |
| [20:41:43] | wagnerrp: | the problem with RF becomes the range |
| [20:41:45] | Beirdo: | RF has licensing issues |
| [20:41:50] | wagnerrp: | oh? |
| [20:42:01] | wagnerrp: | you cant just spam whatever you want off on 27MHz? |
| [20:42:17] | Beirdo: | Canada/US isn't an issue. but RF spectrum elsewhere? who can say |
| [20:42:18] | wagnerrp: | or 900? |
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| [20:42:33] | Beirdo: | AND people can spam other crap that makes your remote useless |
| [20:42:45] | wagnerrp: | the problem with RF is that it doesnt require line of sight |
| [20:42:51] | wagnerrp: | meaning you need some form of pairing |
| [20:43:10] | wagnerrp: | so i guess youre right, the price does increase at that point |
| [20:43:23] | wagnerrp: | the hardware needs smarts |
| [20:43:26] | Beirdo: | pretty hard to get cheaper than IR :) |
| [20:44:45] | wagnerrp: | to be fair, IR does have crosstalk issues too |
| [20:44:59] | Beirdo: | true :) |
| [20:45:15] | wagnerrp: | sophomore year in the dorms, i had a TV and stereo sitting on the opposite wall to a big picture window facing the central area |
| [20:45:16] | Beirdo: | it all sucks |
| [20:45:40] | wagnerrp: | apparently someone on the opposite side of the central area had a /very/ powerful remote, that ran similar codes to mine |
| [20:45:43] | tzanger: | hmm, meta-mythtv question... are all tvs with VESA wall mounts measured from the dead middle of the TV? |
| [20:45:50] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [20:45:58] | tzanger: | nothing I'm finding shows anything about measurement, they seem to assume the TV mounts at the middle |
| [20:46:15] | wagnerrp: | the only thing VESA defines is the spacing, threading, and load capacity |
| [20:47:07] | tzanger: | hmm, I would have assumed that the manual for the TV would then give you "wall mount should be x inches below where you want the TV" kind of thing |
| [20:47:11] | wagnerrp: | the center of weight will be below the mount, thats the only guarantee you have |
| [20:47:52] | wagnerrp: | i have three monitors that im trying to get mounted |
| [20:47:54] | tzanger: | ugh, thank you, better to know now than after |
| [20:48:04] | wagnerrp: | they all have the mount in three different vertical locations |
| [20:48:16] | tzanger: | wow |
| [20:48:24] | wagnerrp: | one is near the top, the other two near the middle |
| [20:48:47] | wagnerrp: | but since the two near the middle are 17" and 20", its not like they line up in any sensible manner |
| [20:49:16] | wagnerrp: | so instead, i had to make that part of the monitor stand adjustable |
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| [21:03:54] | elmojo: | wasn't there a script at one time which found videos that no longer existed in the database and cleared them out? |
| [21:04:03] | sqiush102: | how do i start mythfrontend onto X session from a ssh connection? |
| [21:04:10] | elmojo: | I can't find it in the trunk anymore |
| [21:05:05] | wagnerrp: | squidly: you manually set the DISPLAY variable to whatever you need |
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| [21:06:03] | elmojo: | sphery: any clues about my question above? |
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| [21:16:33] | wagnerrp: | sqiush102: ^^^ |
| [21:20:23] | sphery: | elmojo: yeah, [26216] |
| [21:22:13] | elmojo: | sphery: so removed and not replaced yet |
| [21:22:19] | sphery: | right |
| [21:22:32] | sphery: | IMHO, there are much safer ways of doing it |
| [21:22:34] | elmojo: | cool, thanks for clearing that up |
| [21:22:54] | sphery: | basically the "I'll just delete the old metadata" was very dangerous when something went wrong |
| [21:23:35] | wagnerrp: | once we branch, is the freeze effectively over? |
| [21:23:57] | elmojo: | sphery: so for this release this functionality will not exist? |
| [21:24:21] | elmojo: | just curious |
| [21:25:24] | wagnerrp: | ive been offering for some time to rewrite it and maintain it until he gets around to implementing it in the housekeeper |
| [21:25:35] | wagnerrp: | its always 'if you do that, i wont have motivation to actually write it' |
| [21:25:50] | elmojo: | hehe, understood |
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| [21:26:20] | elmojo: | it's almost essential functionality if you are restoring a database |
| [21:27:29] | sphery: | which are you trying to deal with? |
| [21:27:37] | sphery: | orphaned metadata or orphaned files? |
| [21:27:53] | elmojo: | both |
| [21:28:12] | elmojo: | anything that would have been created since my last database backup |
| [21:30:01] | sphery: | well, orphaned metadata is easy to deal with--just delete any "recordings" for which you have no files |
| [21:30:04] | wagnerrp: | do you think SD could provide old data? |
| [21:30:19] | sphery: | I've been recommending that orphaned files be put into MythVideo, instead |
| [21:30:32] | wagnerrp: | i mean the housekeeper provides a several day backlog of content |
| [21:30:35] | sphery: | basically, if you put it back in TV, you have to get all the required data correct |
| [21:30:42] | wagnerrp: | but could SD actually provide that backlog |
| [21:30:52] | sphery: | wagnerrp: SD isn't allowed to archive anything (no more than we are) |
| [21:30:55] | wagnerrp: | so you could determine what crap was based off the record name |
| [21:31:22] | sphery: | about all we can use is oldrecorded/oldprogram data |
| [21:31:23] | wagnerrp: | well technically, SD doesnt provide any data... just forward us on to TMS |
| [21:31:28] | wagnerrp: | but does TMS make that available |
| [21:31:33] | sphery: | I doubt it |
| [21:31:49] | wagnerrp: | hmm... forgot about oldrecorded |
| [21:32:01] | wagnerrp: | i suppose all you need is title and subtitle |
| [21:32:04] | wagnerrp: | possibly year |
| [21:32:21] | wagnerrp: | from that you could work back using the TMDB/TTVDB grabbers |
| [21:33:03] | sphery: | well, myth.rebuilddatabase.pl did basicall that, but left out other required data (some of the mandatory times, etc.) |
| [21:33:10] | sphery: | it actually corrupted the DB |
| [21:33:14] | sphery: | and filesize was wrong |
| [21:33:19] | sphery: | and several more issues |
| [21:34:25] | sphery: | that's why I recommend MythVideo, instead--because until someone figures out how to get all the required data (or, at minimum, what all that is), there's a good chance you're going to break something if you just stuff something in and don't provide some info that's used somewhere |
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| [21:38:37] | sphery: | and, more than anything, having a script in there implies that it does the right thing |
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| [21:40:47] | ** laga waves ** | |
| [21:41:24] | sqiush102: | ok, trying very slowly here. removed all tuners etc, re-added everything, scan, and get some chanel programming. then I take one channel, add xmltvid using mythweb. run check that SD has channel listed and xmltvid is same. run mythfilldatabase --refresh-all and i get no programming info. How do I check if that xmltvid is coming down from SD? |
| [21:42:40] | wagnerrp: | laga: ever seen Billy's Balloon? |
| [21:42:53] | laga: | wagnerrp: nope, i'm afraid not |
| [21:43:01] | sqiush102: | trying to 'debug' this |
| [21:43:08] | elmojo: | sphery, wagnerrp: for me personally getting the orphaned recordings deleted is the most important since they take up valuable disk space |
| [21:45:19] | wagnerrp: | laga: for some reason, you waving made me think of this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpc5vgi9zbM#t=3m18s |
| [21:45:34] | sqiush102: | how can i tell what xmltvid's are being downloaded? |
| [21:46:35] | knightr: | sphery: I have a question for you... Any idea why some sentences have two spaces after the "." before the next sentence? Is there a reason for that? |
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| [21:47:55] | sphery: | knightr: it's an old typewriter habit. We're standardizing on one space after period, so feel free to make patches :) |
| [21:48:58] | knightr: | sphery: Ah, thanks! My US English had noticed it and we wondered if there a reason for them... |
| [21:48:58] | maeglin: | What is the modulation and frequency table to use with the MCE IR Blaster? I'm using the change-channel-lirc.pl script in the input connections. Mythbuntu 23.1. |
| [21:49:13] | sphery: | On a typewriter, double spaces were used to provide a more-visually-distinctive break between sentences. With the introduction of computers and UIs made of proportional fonts, it doesn't work, anymore. That said, notice how many spaces appear after the period in my paragraphs. :) |
| [21:49:30] | sphery: | maeglin: RC6? |
| [21:49:51] | wagnerrp: | are you asking what modulation and frequency table you are to use for your capture card? |
| [21:51:28] | maeglin: | Autobuilds 0.23.1+fixes26231–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu2 |
| [21:51:57] | maeglin: | Yes, capture card. The STB is analog. |
| [21:52:37] | wagnerrp: | you should not be using either, as you should be using a baseband input |
| [21:52:49] | wagnerrp: | composite, svideo, component, ... |
| [21:55:04] | maeglin: | The capture card is the Hauppauge 500. It's presently connected by coaxial – RG6. |
| [21:55:15] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Regarding the orphaned files/metadata, if you'd like to create a script that just scans for files/metadata and lists it or something, that's fine. If you really want to go farther and made it change things in the DB or delete things from the file system, feel free. |
| [21:55:46] | sphery: | "lists it" = "lists the missing files and metadata" |
| [21:55:53] | maeglin: | The card and cable box have composite RCA connectors |
| [21:56:13] | sphery: | I do hope, however, that it will have a very short lifespan |
| [21:56:14] | wagnerrp: | maeglin: if necessary, you should use the breakout cable and svideo |
| [21:56:36] | wagnerrp: | if possible, you should avoid using that stick for analog all together |
| [21:57:11] | sphery: | maeglin: the only way to use RF modulated input with an STB is using the pre-tune channel (channel 3 or 4, typically) |
| [21:57:31] | sphery: | there is no freq table or anything for that--it just uses whichever channel your STB outputs on |
| [21:57:46] | wagnerrp: | that USB stick has a breakout cable with svideo |
| [21:57:53] | wagnerrp: | if your STB has svideo, you should be using svideo |
| [21:58:04] | wagnerrp: | but like i said, most people around here would consider that stick to be digital only |
| [21:58:05] | sphery: | you'd still need change-channel-lirc.pl to change the channel on the STB, but it would do so using channel numbers, not modulation/frequency stuff |
| [21:58:35] | sphery: | and, yeah, the quality of RF-modulated output is /much/ worse than baseband, so you're better off using composite, svideo, component, as wagnerrp mentioned |
| [21:59:19] | sphery: | but if this is one of those DTA STB's that the cable co gives you for free but that only has RF-modulated output (to tempt you into renting one of their real STBs), then use the pre-tune channel stuff |
| [22:00:02] | maeglin: | OK, I'll try composite for now. It was free, the digital version was $17 more a month :( |
| [22:00:15] | sphery: | yeah, sounds like a typical cable co |
| [22:00:38] | sphery: | I'm also just now seeing that everything I said was already covered between you and wagnerrp, so I'm too slow, once again :) |
| [22:01:03] | wagnerrp: | maeglin: no, that stick cannot record HDMI |
| [22:01:18] | wagnerrp: | you can only record digital ATSC/QAM straight off the broadcast |
| [22:01:47] | wagnerrp: | technically, all cable boxes are digital tuners |
| [22:01:54] | wagnerrp: | but you will only see any form of digital output over HDMI |
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| [22:03:19] | wagnerrp: | wait, $17 a month for an STB? |
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| [22:03:32] | wagnerrp: | i think they charge us like $8 |
| [22:04:55] | sphery: | probably $17 because of $6–8 for STB + ~$10 for digital service |
| [22:04:58] | maeglin: | It probably was closer to $8 – my mind exaggerates. |
| [22:05:44] | wagnerrp: | but he does have digital service |
| [22:05:52] | wagnerrp: | since any box he has is going to be a digital tuner |
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| [22:07:02] | maeglin: | It is all digital now, the cheapest plan. This might be why they are charging me more. |
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| [22:30:24] | smegzor: | Hi. |
| [22:30:47] | horza: | Hi. mythtv dies every time I open a web page using mythbrowse and so should I switch to Firefox? |
| [22:31:22] | sphery: | horza: Flash 10.1 causes Qt Webkit to die. |
| [22:31:44] | sphery: | Flash 10.0 works |
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| [22:31:50] | sphery: | I don't think Flash 10.2 alpha does |
| [22:32:08] | smegzor: | I accidentally deleted a bunch of mythtv files. The log says it can't find mysql.txt How can I recreate that file? |
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| [22:32:20] | sphery: | all you need to do is find a way to get Adobe to fix Flash and you'll be good to go |
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| [22:32:56] | sphery: | smegzor: chances are your distro's packages have some sort of reconfigure option--but check with your distro users first, because it might reconfigure too much |
| [22:33:42] | smegzor: | I did a locate just now and found at least 2 of them. I'll try copying the file and see what happens. |
| [22:34:15] | horza: | Assuming I can't get adobe to fix flash? Flash works in firefox for me |
| [22:37:07] | horza: | How do I find out flash version please? |
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| [23:11:42] | sphery: | horza: in Firefox, Tools|Add Ons|Plugins |
| [23:15:39] | [R]: | so i went up into my attic... and i don't think i can get to where i need to drop my ethernet cable :( |
| [23:16:15] | sqiush102: | how do i tell if mythfilldatabase is getting an xmltvid? i have tried 'mythfilldatabase --refresh-all -v "all,nodatabase"' but it does show me the xmltvid's and it does not want to update the program guide |
| [23:17:03] | [R]: | "getting an xmltvid"? |
| [23:17:34] | sqiush102: | in the download file |
| [23:17:52] | sqiush102: | step one, is to see if i'm getting it from SD |
| [23:18:18] | [R]: | i highly doubt schedules direct is broken... |
| [23:18:19] | sqiush102: | if it is there, then i will try figure out why it is not updating the db |
| [23:18:33] | knightr: | sphery: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/26419 , does that ring a bell? (-; |
| [23:18:59] | sqiush102: | i have deleted lineup on schedules direct and re-added them, just in case |
| [23:21:46] | Wicked: | hmm...so i made a custom recording rule and hit test and it seemed to pick up what i want...so i hit record and it brought me to the normal looking show schedule screen...to use this rule what do i select record at anytime on any channel?...or...im just a bit confused because the rule i made specifics when the show should record |
| [23:28:18] | horza: | ok found flash10.0, got it in konq working, can watch flash in konq, but mythbrowse still segfaults and mythtv dies every time a page nearly loads |
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| [23:43:05] | sphery: | Wicked: yeah, any time/any channel will work if you want it to record, otherwise, find one |
| [23:43:38] | sphery: | horza: if you have Flash 10.1 installed in Firefox, that's what MythBrowser is using |
| [23:43:58] | horza: | I thought mythbrowser is using konqueror? |
| [23:44:20] | horza: | Sorry, see what you mean. No I removed it from list of plugin dirs and rescanned with konq |
| [23:44:30] | sphery: | knightr: nice... Glad those are back |
| [23:44:56] | sphery: | horza: assuming MythTV 0.22 or higher, MythBrowser is using Qt Webkit, which uses the installed Firefox plugins |
| [23:45:05] | knightr: | sphery: temporary fix though until the ticket I made is applied post 0.24... |
| [23:45:19] | sphery: | horza: MythBrowser hasn't used Konq since 0.21 and before |
| [23:45:23] | horza: | QtWebkit, is that a standalone? How is it launched? |
| [23:46:11] | sphery: | knightr: so how come those values look different? the unquoted values are the translations and English.lang just doesn't have other translations? |
| [23:46:30] | sphery: | horza: not standalone--it's part of the Qt application-building framework |
| [23:47:02] | knightr: | sphery: yep... that's how you do it in MythWeb.. |
| [23:47:09] | sphery: | horza: just: mv $HOME/.mozilla/plugins{,-disabled} |
| [23:47:19] | sphery: | horza: then restart mythfrontend, then all should work |
| [23:47:46] | sphery: | except Flash in Firefox, but you can fix that be renaming plugins-disabled back to plugins (and then break MythBrowser :) |
| [23:47:56] | sphery: | knightr: cool |
| [23:48:07] | horza: | There is no .mozilla/plugins, but there is a /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| [23:48:50] | horza: | I can't disable flash for mythtv, as I want it to watch iPlayer |
| [23:49:00] | knightr: | sphery: np... still wondering if I should merge some of my entries from French_CA.cat to English.cat... |
| [23:49:44] | knightr: | (this is what controls what categories each program falls under...) |
| [23:50:05] | Wicked: | sphery, well it just seems counter-intuitive to make a custom recording rule..only to be prompted to select from predefined ones. |
| [23:50:29] | knightr: | Since I use SD they should be the same as for the US (especially since some of the channels I get here are from the US...) |
| [23:50:42] | Wicked: | would be nice if the screen where you select the rules had a "custom rule: Name" options |
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| [23:53:51] | knightr: | sphery: know of any way to invert a SVN revert (revert all files except one) |
| [23:54:38] | horza: | Ok, renamed /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer to something else and now it doesn't crash |
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| [23:54:56] | Beirdo: | knightr: easiest way: rename the file, revert everything, move it back over the reverted version |
| [23:55:28] | knightr: | Beirdo: Thanks! My problem is that I have to tell to translators how to do it... |
| [23:56:01] | knightr: | Beirdo: Either that or modify a Perl program which I am far from an expert in (which I was though...). |
| [23:56:54] | knightr: | Beirdo: oops, I meant wish I was not which I was... |
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