Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, September 16th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

(not that there's any way it could have, but still :)

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: how many of those are mocking perl?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: the hard part is getting that --help output shortened :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, thats going to take longer than writing the program itself

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sphery:

wagnerrp: though I'd full support removing the --rename option (I planned to do that after a couple releases since it's only meant to put old renamed recordings back to their "default" name format)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: well for now, this is just to see if it suffers the same UTF issues

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sphery:

yeah, cool

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sphery:

I appreciate your doing this, too

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darkdrgn2k:

why is it that then i download Scheduel Direct all the channels are wrong?

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darkdrgn2k:

channel numbers

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darkdrgn2k:

they show correctly online..

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: what kind of card are you trying to download for?

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sphery:

darkdrgn2k: what capture device...

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sphery:

I'm way too slow

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wagnerrp:

how do i figure out if a file is a symlink?

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lenswipe|ill:

sphery, i keep getting warnings that the backend server isnt running :/

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: with what?

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: HVR1400 (whatever teh pvr150 successor was)

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Beirdo:

with /bin/test... test -h file (or -L)

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wagnerrp:

im assuming 'stat' is just a wrapper around the system call

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: ive never heard of a 1400

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Beirdo:

in perl?

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wagnerrp:

python

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Beirdo:

ah

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kormoc:

and I will *never* complain about radio reception ever again, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXuzrIN_x2M

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: hold on might of been pebkac

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sphery:

lenswipe|ill: you'll need to start it... it will likely start itself on a reboot, now that you've configured mythbackend using mythtv-setup (unless you have a mistake in configuration--look at the backend log file)

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Beirdo:

kormoc: I've never been up one that high

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Beirdo:

but some ham radio towers... and that was bad enough for me

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kormoc:

just watch to the end, that's absurd

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wagnerrp:

is that something i can pull out of st_mode?

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wagnerrp:

the file shows up as 0100644

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Beirdo:

frigging great view from up there :)

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wagnerrp:

whats that '1' way out there by itself mean?

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lenswipe|ill:

sphery, ah i see

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lenswipe|ill:

sphery, i havent rebooted since install

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sphery:

darkdrgn2k: HVR-1600?

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lenswipe|ill:

ill try that, thanks

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darkdrgn2k:

sphery: yeh thats the one...

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darkdrgn2k:

but i think the source was wrong....

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: in digital or analog mode?

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sphery:

lenswipe|ill: can try to start it with your backend init script and look to make sure there are no errors in the log file

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: svideo

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darkdrgn2k:

so analog

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: so youre using an IR blaster and your cable box?

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Beirdo:

kormoc: I'd be scared silly up there!

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: yep

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sphery:

wagnerrp: there's no equivalent of the -L used by test/[ in the shell?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: personally, im strapped in, have plenty to hold on to, i dont think it would bother me

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wagnerrp:

'no safety lines'... nevermind

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Beirdo:

they free-climb a good ways up with no safety harness

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sphery:

(which is the way Perl implemented it)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no, it makes a call directly to the system 'stat' call

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wagnerrp:

so i get the same data as if you had run the libc stat()

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sphery:

hmmm... no clue how python would do it, then... C has macros to check the stat stuff

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: man 2 stat

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sphery:

i.e. S_ISLNK()

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Beirdo:

sphery is too fast for me once again

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sphery:

The following flags are defined for the st_mode field: S_IFLNK 0120000 symbolic link

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sphery:

but I don't know if it's safe to assume that is always the value

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Beirdo:

S_IFLNK 0120000 symbolic link

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sphery:

:)

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Beirdo:

bah!

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

ah, there we go... os.path.islink()

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sphery:

ah, cool

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wagnerrp:

seems theyve got similar macros

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sphery:

glad you're not going to check raw values, then

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sphery:

that might have made me recant my desire to switch it to python :)

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wagnerrp:

well its all bitwise checks

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sphery:

yeah, but using the underlying Python libs, which were compiled against this system's libc

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wagnerrp:

it would be bool(os.stat(<path>)&32768)

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wagnerrp:

but yeah, better someone else do that for cross-platform maintainability

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darkdrgn2k:

how do i force the use of QT painter in commandline again?

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wagnerrp:

-O ThemePainter=qt

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Beirdo:

woohoo

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darkdrgn2k:

thats it couldnt remember for the life of me

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Beirdo:

two shipments from newegg... shipped today

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sphery:

Beirdo: nice... 3 days /could/ get there on Sat

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Beirdo:

possibly :)

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sphery:

unless it's one of those, "UPS has received shipping information frm newegg"

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sphery:

and they actually drop the package tomorrow

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

which is quite possible

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darkdrgn2k:

do tv playback setting affect mythvideo?

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sphery:

ueahm but UI'll keep klu fimgers crossed for uoi

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sphery:

(for Beirdo )

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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sphery:

darkdrgn2k: which playback settings? The playback profile? That will be used by the Internal player

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sphery:

Beirdo: btw, that was the hardest-to-type sentence ever

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Beirdo:

I can believe it

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CyberKnet:

so I adjusted the video ram in the bios to 512Mb and attempted VDPAU again and it was still stuttery/jerky on HD video (smooth afaict on SD video)

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CyberKnet:

but... doing lspci -v -s 03:00.0 shows still only 128Mb which seems odd.

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CyberKnet:

Does anyone have any idea what I might try next to get VDPAU working on this system?

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Beirdo:

home time

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lenswipe|ill:

sphery, mythfrontend keeps changing my screen reso to like 640x480 so everything goes massive (even in mythtv) do you know of a fix?

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sphery:

during playback?

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darkdrgn2k:

i guess disabling a channel on SD doesnt disable it in myth...

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sphery:

you'll need to delete it from mythtv, too

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Beirdo:

whew. Made it... barely

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: so start the complaints

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CyberKnet:

why would a channel be visible in myth's tv guide, visible in my schedules direct lineup, but have no data?

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wagnerrp:

sounds like you didnt map the xmltvids

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wagnerrp:

analog channels pulled from the lineup do that automatically

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wagnerrp:

scanned digital channels must be done manually

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CyberKnet:

hmmmm... time to investigate the channel table. These are both supposedly analog channels, but perhaps they were detected by the 2250 and not the 500

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CyberKnet:

thanks for the insight wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

if you pulled the data from a lineup, the xmltvids should be automatically populated

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wagnerrp:

if you scanned in any way, they will not be

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sphery:

and if you scanned an analog source in the US, you're doing it wrong :)

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CyberKnet:

I didn't scan with the PVR-500 ... only the HVR-2250

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CyberKnet:

but I think I may have told it to do a full scan, and not a high scan

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CyberKnet:

btw my HD channels on the HVR-2250 do have xmltvids populated. I didn't set them. Perhaps mythfilldatabase matched on channum and updated them?

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CyberKnet:

no idea. But I'm fairly certain that the HVR-2250 did pick up some analog channels. I'll have to address that part later.

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CyberKnet:

got to go get dinner for the family. thanks for the thoughts guys. I'll look into this more later tonight.

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CyberKnet:

(full paste of channel table might be in order)

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sphery:

full scan of a digital source is fine

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sphery:

it does attempt to match the channels found in the scan with channels from the listings provider, but it's not guaranteed (nor expected) to work

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sphery:

since many broadcasters/re-broadcasters tend to put garbage for information about which channel is which into the stream

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Beirdo:

la la la

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Beirdo:

time to watch Bones

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Beirdo:

hehe.

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Beirdo:

Angela's dad... Billy Gibbons from ZZ Tip

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Beirdo:

Top

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wagnerrp:

man, youre way behind

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

not really

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you saw him first in like season 2 or something

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Beirdo:

I know

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Beirdo:

and he's in the new ep

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wagnerrp:

new? theyre starting back up?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

on Fox. Recorded during the last week

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Wicked:

hmm. weird. i thought i had set mythtv to record survivor..turns out it didnt catch this season...

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Beirdo:

he even had a speaking role

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wagnerrp:

huh... didnt pick it up for some reason

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wagnerrp:

no, that was the last episode of last season

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

23rd is the first

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Beirdo:

you are right

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Beirdo:

anyways, it is starting up :)

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sphery:

you had me worried for a moment

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sphery:

more importantly, though, Fringe is starting tomorrow :)

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wagnerrp:

no it aint

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Beirdo:

corry

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wagnerrp:

last season again

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Beirdo:

it starts next week I think

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wagnerrp:

although i /am/ recording it tomorrow

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sphery:

oh, that's a re-run, too?

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wagnerrp:

my episodes recorded last season were mangled

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sphery:

yeah, you're right

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Beirdo:

grrrr

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Beirdo:

I want to add (for me) to log the commflag status (100% complete) to the logfile at the end

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sphery:

re-recording because it's a combined ep this time

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wagnerrp:

yeah, nikita is the only new show tomorrow

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Beirdo:

JobQueue has ChangeJobComment

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Beirdo:

but not LastJobComment or anything that I've seen yet

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wagnerrp:

oh, new apprentice...

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wagnerrp:

... why is that still on the air?

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sphery:

seems that Donald needs a lot of help?

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wagnerrp:

seems theyre all worthless

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wagnerrp:

hes got to fire the last and hire a new one every year

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Pluribus:

Hmm, something not quite right here... trunk [26337], drop about 50 new videos into one of the directories for mythvideo and "scan for changes" It starts doing a ton of metadata lookups as expected but seems to sometimes associate the data with the wrong video... I dont believe 26241 did that so it looks recent.

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sphery:

heh

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Pluribus:

Thoughts? pointers to help track it down?

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wagnerrp:

Pluribus: mythvideo now does automated metadata lookup, and if no exact match is found, it will do a closest result within a preset limit

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wagnerrp:

the default limit is 5

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Pluribus:

No, it isnt that... The behavior you mention is fairly old.

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Pluribus:

I wipe the data for that entry, rescan with W and it does the correct thing.

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Pluribus:

(usually no meta data)

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Beirdo:

You're fired!

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: that'll teach you not to listen to Needles

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ctartamella:

can anyone help me with a hauppauge hvr 1600? i keep getting errors saying cannot autodetect tuner number

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Pluribus:

I know for a fact that it didnt do it on trunk r25977, I dont believe it did it messed up with 26241. (But the last big import was back with 25977)

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ctartamella:

anyone have this working and know which number i have to use?

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Pluribus:

Which issue?

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wagnerrp:

tuner number? what type of card are you trying to add?

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ctartamella:

its an hvr 1600

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wagnerrp:

yes, in mythtv-setup, what type are you trying to add it as?

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ctartamella:

it cant autodetect it so im guessing i need to hard code it?

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wagnerrp:

if will autodetect both halves if the card is set up properly

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ctartamella:

well i only need the ntsc tuner working

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wagnerrp:

so you want to add it as an MPEG Encoder Card

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ctartamella:

correct

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ctartamella:

its detected there on /dev/video0

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wagnerrp:

so what are you talking about 'tuner number'?

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ctartamella:

in dmesg... the tveeprom driver is complaining about that

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ctartamella:

see, i piped /dev/video0 into mplayer and got static

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ctartamella:

so i started digging for driver errors in dmesg

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wagnerrp:

if you got static, that means you are tuned to a channel with nothing but static

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ctartamella:

then i used ivtv-tune to change channels around

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ctartamella:

so its not the tuner its my cable converter probably?

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wagnerrp:

or the card is set up to use the tuner, but is rather using the video inputs

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ctartamella:

i have one of those little boxes that converts digital to analog

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ctartamella:

now that box is set to output on channel 3. if i open /dev/video0 in mplayer and use ivtv-tune to tune to channel 3, it should have a signal correct?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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ctartamella:

ok i still have static

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ctartamella:

so its a config issue not a hardware setup issue right?

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ctartamella:

is it possible comcast is doing something funny to keep me from being able to see these?

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wagnerrp:

not at all

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ctartamella:

when i open this in myth it just says please wait for a while then exits

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ctartamella:

maybe its the wrong device

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wagnerrp:

probably because you have not completed setup

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ctartamella:

theres also a video24 and a 32

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wagnerrp:

those are framegrabber, and something else

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wagnerrp:

you dont want to bother with those

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ctartamella:

ok good to know

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ctartamella:

ok still nothing but static on mplayer

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ctartamella:

can you think of anything else i could check?

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wagnerrp:

youve plugged the device into a TV, and it works?

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ctartamella:

the converter box? yes

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ctartamella:

just reconfirmed.... it works perfectly on the tv

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|devicenull|:

how would I go about disabling certain modules?

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|devicenull|:

like music and dvd's?

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ctartamella:

are you using mythtv from your ditribution or did you build it?

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|devicenull|:

distribution

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ctartamella:

best bet would be to uninstall the package for that module

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|devicenull|:

yea, I thought that too

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ctartamella:

i know ubuntu has packages for all the different modules

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|devicenull|:

ohh

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|devicenull|:

I was expecting all the ubuntu packages to be mythtv-xxxx

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ctartamella:

wait hold that thought

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|devicenull|:

but they werent

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ctartamella:

i might be wrong

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|devicenull|:

nah I'm looking at it right now, lots of them are addons

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|devicenull|:

er packages

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wagnerrp:

why do you need to disable it? can you just, not use it?

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ctartamella:

but there is an option in ubuntu's control center i think

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|devicenull|:

I'd rather just not see it in the menu, since it will never be used

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ctartamella:

ok i got it

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ctartamella:

for the record

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ctartamella:

it autodetected my tuner wrong

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ctartamella:

the driver has about 80 odd tuners to pick from

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ctartamella:

i guess hauppauge changed some of their internal hardware components

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ctartamella:

found a script that looped over all of the tuners and printed the signal strength on each.... basically looked for the one with 100% signal

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|devicenull|:

wow

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|devicenull|:

this jamu script.. is what I've been wanting for years

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Beirdo:

ugh

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Beirdo:

headache... again?

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Beirdo:

justinh: you in?

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Beirdo:

or anyone else in the UK?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I'm sorry, just coming back in, what are people complaining about?

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wagnerrp:

MTD

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iamlindoro:

oh... which thread?

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iamlindoro:

(or where?)

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wagnerrp:

wiki

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iamlindoro:

Oh

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iamlindoro:

Well, I wouldn't say *I* plan to rewrite it ;)

[03:17:32]

iamlindoro:

Maybe if I run out of anything useful or interesting to do

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Beirdo:

like that will happen for a while :)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: well stuarta and jya are both interested in having something

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wagnerrp:

someone will pick it up

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Beirdo:

and another bug bites the dust

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Beirdo:

aw man, this is the season finale? Covert Affairs is over already? BOO!

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Beirdo:

HVR-2250 shipping from Whitestown, IN

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Gumby:

hi all. livetv seems to stutter each and every hour on the hour and also half past the hour. does anyone have any clue why this might be?

[04:38:21]

kormoc:

Do you have guide data? it it always when a program changes?

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wagnerrp:

sounds like youre cycling from one recording to the next

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Gumby:

kormoc: I have guide data, I believe it happens whether I am moving from one show to the next or whether I am mid show

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Gumby:

I'll pay better attention

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kormoc:

it it only happens from one show to another, that's normalish, midshow isn't

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Gumby:

ok, I'll pay better attention to whether it happens in mid show or not

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CyberKnet:

mtd being rewritten? Gosh, seems like it was only just written!

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wagnerrp:

only just written? it predates my use of myth

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CyberKnet:

Time does fly.

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wagnerrp:

no one intends to rewrite MTD

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CyberKnet:

people will find anything to complain about, I suppose.

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wagnerrp:

i mean MTD is gone for good

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wagnerrp:

if DVD ripping does come back, it will be a frontend component that just rips to a director or image

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wagnerrp:

and then some other tool, or external script, that runs through the jobqueue

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CyberKnet:

see ... and here I was not even knowing DVD ripping even went away.

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wagnerrp:

theres no reason to have two independent jobqueues

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wagnerrp:

MTD was DVD ripping

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wagnerrp:

that was its sole purpose

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wagnerrp:

to fork off and manage the rip/transcode process, so you didnt hang up the frontend for several hours

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CyberKnet:

Yeah, handy.

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CyberKnet:

I suppose they'll all have to do that outside of Myth if they do that.

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** Beirdo wishes this headache would fork off.. **

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Beirdo:

2010-09–15 21:54:26.720 40% Completed @ 15.0945 fps.

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Beirdo:

looks like my local hack was effective

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Beirdo:

now I have it logging the commflag status as well as putting it in the db

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Beirdo:

so I can go back and look at it later

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CyberKnet:

15fps. Mighty.

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CyberKnet:

And to think I was griping at myself for putting up with 45fps :)

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Beirdo:

this is why I went non-Scottish and bought a new backend...

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Beirdo:

UPS, don't fail me now...

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Beirdo:

it's on it's way here

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kormoc:

CyberKnet, h264 1080i?

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wylie:

just curious.... I've been doing about 14k bitrate for 1080i on hdpvr (since it came out) — hdpvr'ers... what bitrate are others going with?

[05:18:19]

Beirdo:

yah, that was 1080i H.264 there, BTW

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Beirdo:

kormoc: what processor is in your mac pro again?

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ctartamella:

can anyone tell me what it means when you can watch video off your tuner through mplayer but when opeining live tv in myth you just get a "please wait" and a timeout?

[05:20:07]

wagnerrp:

it means you havent set up mythtv properly

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wagnerrp:

we need to see backend logs to determine further

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ctartamella:

ok lemme check those.... i forgot they existed

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kormoc:

Beirdo, 2x Xeon E5462

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Beirdo:

cool, thanks :)

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** Beirdo hopes more open 0.24 bugs get closed soon :) **

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ctartamella:

ok i have unknown video codec and unknown audio codec errors popping up

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ctartamella:

so i changed to mpeg-4

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ctartamella:

and still got the video codec error

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wagnerrp:

you have a -1600?

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ctartamella:

yup

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wagnerrp:

the 1600 only does mpeg2

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ctartamella:

ok so i need to get that codec

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ctartamella:

its in medibuntu right?

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wagnerrp:

what?

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wagnerrp:

no, the -1600 is a hardware encoder

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wagnerrp:

it encodes the video to mpeg2 before passing it to the system

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wagnerrp:

if you see 'mpeg4' anywhere, youre in the wrong place

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ctartamella:

ok... that was dumb. i had it set as a capture card not an mpeg encoder

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Beirdo:

Dark Blue season finale too

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Beirdo:

jeez

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wagnerrp:

what is 'descriptive video'?

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wagnerrp:

is that something for the blind?

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Beirdo:

deaf

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Beirdo:

isn't it?

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Beirdo:

nooo, that'd be CC

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Beirdo:

OK, my brain is fried

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Beirdo:

heh, must be for the blind

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wagnerrp:

some people complaining about it on the ML

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wagnerrp:

some sort of secondary audio track with narration or something

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

could just be they have SAP selected

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Beirdo:

who's the master of the socket communication code?

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wagnerrp:

mythproto? i generally consider capt'm

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Beirdo:

#7847 needs an owner

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Beirdo:

especially if it's still targeted for 0.24

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wagnerrp:

not sure what to do with that

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Beirdo:

me neither

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

except maybe do some keep-alive once a minute or so

[05:49:00]

Beirdo:

someone needs to shepherd it though

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wagnerrp:

if you come out of sleep, the connection will be stale, and it will reconnect

[05:49:28]

Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

or should anyways, I assume it does

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wagnerrp:

either that, or there is a some sort of timeout in the backend

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wagnerrp:

it suspects that client has dropped

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wagnerrp:

and as such has stopped sending it events

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wagnerrp:

actually, whats the default TCP timeout?

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Beirdo:

10min

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wagnerrp:

the connection is TCP

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wagnerrp:

and the backend will have likely sent events

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wagnerrp:

which had thus failed

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wagnerrp:

and killed the connection

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

that makes sense

[05:57:06]

wagnerrp:

'BE will falsely threat slipping FEs as dead FEs'...

[05:57:14]

Beirdo:

so should we hand that ticket to the deranged captain?

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wagnerrp:

assuming i understand what hes saying, is that a bad thing?

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wagnerrp:

seems to me, a sleeping FE is the same thing as a dead FE

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wagnerrp:

one way or another, connection is lost

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wagnerrp:

and the FE should just reconnect from scratch when it starts back up

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

agreed

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Beirdo:

there's no real way around it

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Beirdo:

2010-09–15 23:30:04.268 70% Completed @ 97.7503 fps.

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Beirdo:

that's a bit more like it... MPEG-2 SD OTA

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wagnerrp:

aagghhh...

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wagnerrp:

i just spent the last half hour, networkless, trying to get my laptop onto wireless

[06:44:28]

wagnerrp:

i could connect to the access point, but i could never grab an address

[06:44:38]

wagnerrp:

when i forced an address, i could still never connect to anything

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wagnerrp:

turns out the ethernet cable had been unplugged from the access point

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[R]:

you have a real AP?

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wagnerrp:

no, ddwrt in AP mode

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wagnerrp:

real APs are so much more expensive than routers, for unknown reasons

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[R]:

you do know ddwrt is evil satan spawn right?

[06:46:34]

wagnerrp:

why is that?

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[R]:

because the author is an ahole, and doesn't respect gpl

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wagnerrp:

what does he re-license to?

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[R]:

?

[06:48:19]

wagnerrp:

well its open source of some form isnt it?

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[R]:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DD-WRT#Controversy

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wagnerrp:

never knew they even offered a commercial version

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[R]:

you should use openwrt

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wagnerrp:

that would require re-flashing them

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wagnerrp:

something i havent done in years

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

its better

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i would get by perfectly fine with the stock firmware

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wagnerrp:

theyre only used a dumb access points

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wagnerrp:

... maybe something to look at over the weekend

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[R]:

comskip always misses the beginning of seinfeld :(

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wagnerrp:

use mythcommflag instead

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[R]:

tahts what i mean

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wagnerrp:

you said commskip

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[R]:

i meant to say commerical skip

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wagnerrp:

comskip is a 3rd party commercial flagger, forked ages ago from mythcommflag

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[R]:

ah

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wagnerrp:

mmm... rain

[07:00:13]

wagnerrp:

havent had any of that in a while

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[R]:

is that a good thing?

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[R]:

i don't have a spare switch

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[R]:

so i'm using my laptop as an ethernet to wifi bridge

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clever:

done that before when the hotel only had 1 jack and no signal

[07:13:02]

clever:

and that was the place that used plastic punch cards as keys

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wagnerrp:

heh... im trying to figure out why my test jail is taking 15GB of space

[07:13:15]

wagnerrp:

forgot about those several test recordings

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clever:

lol

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clever:

ouch

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wagnerrp:

ive used those punch cards before, dont remember where

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wagnerrp:

must have been some time in highschool

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[R]:

why is there always steam coming out of the manholes in NY in tv and movies?

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clever:

[R]: from the heat all that crap&piss has?

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clever:

though you would think that sewer would be a bit more sealed

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[R]:

there is a hole in the cover

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[R]:

thats how they lift it

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clever:

yeah, but id think they would seal the pipes themselves a little better so the sewer gases dont escape into the street and smell the place up

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[R]:

pipes?

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[R]:

its free flowing

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[R]:

jhaven't you ever watched like ninja turtles?

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clever:

sadly, i have:P

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DrChef:

Hello, can someone tell me when the MythVideo fileparsing actualy takes place? 1. when I add files to the list (scan for updates) or 2. when i start to look up the metadata?

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sceo:

I have my primary backend/frontend out in the living room. I have a secondary frontend/backend in my bedroom. I'm getting a conflict of recording next thursday, but I realize – isn't there a way/shouldn't it know about the tuner in the other box and use that? Or do I need to set that up somehow?

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stuartm:

justinh: if you haven't seen it already – http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/16/vm_fraud/

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wagnerrp:

DrChef: the former, parsing is done on first import

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wagnerrp:

sceo: if you have two backends and a tuner in each, mythtv should be able to use both tuners to resolve conflicts

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wagnerrp:

are you doing something like having two independent mythtv systems?

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wagnerrp:

instead of the one shared system?

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sceo:

wagnerrp well, I'm using mythbuntu and I remember when I set up the second box I had something like "secondary backend+frontend" so they're not independent. That is, when I watch programs in the bedroom, it's all the recorded programs from the main backend

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wagnerrp:

then if you are actually running a slave backend on your second system

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wagnerrp:

and have properly configured the tuner for use in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

it will be used to record as needed

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wagnerrp:

however, mythtv would know it has a second tuner available, and would not list that show as a conflict

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sceo:

so I'm looking in mythweb, and I see a program at 10:30–11:00 on thursday that's not recording because there's something recording from 10:00–11:00

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sceo:

so I wonder if it's not aware of the second tuner somehow...

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wagnerrp:

in mythweb, open the 'backend status' page

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wagnerrp:

the very first section at the top lists your configured inputs

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wagnerrp:

do you have one or two listed there?

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sceo:

Just one. "Encoder 1 is local on [this machine] and is not recording."

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wagnerrp:

then you have not configured the second one

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sceo:

certainly not manually, no... so I add a second capture card using mythtv-setup?

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wagnerrp:

you run mythtv-setup on the second machine

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wagnerrp:

and you repeat the steps you took the first time to install the first tuner

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wagnerrp:

if both tuners are using the same 'source'

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sceo:

ok so don't run it on my "master" backend, run it on the secondary and add the tuner card there?

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wagnerrp:

like, theyre both using digital broadcast, or theyre both on the same analog cable system

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wagnerrp:

you can skip adding a new source

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sceo:

gotcha, yeah, they'll both be using the same source

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wagnerrp:

use the existing one to map to the card input

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sceo:

all right! now I got "Encoder 2 is remote on [other-machine] (currently not connected)." Is the (currently not connected) something to worry about?

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wagnerrp:

yes, it means the secondary backend is not running

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sceo:

hmm, if I go to the secondary and run ps, there is a /usr/bin/mythbackend running

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wagnerrp:

check your backend logs, perhaps it is not properly connecting, or was given the wrong database credentials

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sceo:

yeah, I actually just killed the backend, it respawned automatically, and now it just says "is remote on [secondary] and is not recording."

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sceo:

so I'll just keep my eye on that status to see if I can figure it out, I may have started the backend on the secondary before the primary or something like that

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toeb:

hi, i have "Failed to open DVR device /dev/dvb/adapter1/dvr0 : Device or resource busy" in my backend log

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toeb:

but if i check with fuser, their is only mythbackend using this file..

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toeb:

anyone ideas what to check?

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sceo:

wagnerrp thanks for everything man, you made my morning.

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toeb:

I also don't get why it even tries to open the devices, the 'open on demand' option for the card is not checked

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wagnerrp:

open-on-demand means it will only open when the device is needed

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wagnerrp:

normal behavior is to open and lock the card when the backend starts

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wagnerrp:

and leave it that way until you close the backend

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wagnerrp:

to prevent any other programs from using it and possibly interfering

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gavinp:

anyone here know mythweb well?

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mag0o:

ask away gavinp and maybesomeone will pipe up

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gavinp:

I'm curious if anyone has tried embedding an HTML5 video player instead of flowplayer.

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wagnerrp:

people have asked for it

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wagnerrp:

no one has volunteered to actually write it

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gavinp:

ok, fair enough.

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gavinp:

that's an easy enough change, and it's kind of up my alley, so I may well do it.

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gavinp:

thanks.

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gavinp:

i truthfully don't know much about HTML5 video support in browsers other than chrome or safari.

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toeb:

wagnerrp: that's how i understood this option too... so i don't get why myth tries to open it again and again...

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bwallen:

Does anybody have any experience with this tuner? PCTV HD Mini Stick TV Tuner for PC 22427

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stuartm:

all the important browsers support HTML5 video

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skd5aner:

heh "important"

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stuartm:

they differ over supported codecs thanks to Apple and MS protecting their patents in H.264

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skd5aner:

important != critical mass or what's actually deployed

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stuartm:

skd5aner: yup

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skd5aner:

but, I imagine that a good percentage of mythtv users probably have "important browsers" installed if they were the kind to want to use any form of embedded browser video streaming :)

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skd5aner:

a slightly more in-tuned audience

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stuartm:

but then MythTV isn't here to prop up old browsers, the whole reason IE6 is still widely deployed is _because_ so many sites pander to older browsers, it's a chicken & egg problem

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mag0o:

bwallen: got the idVendor and iManufacturer from lsusb -v ?

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bwallen:

mag0o: no, I'm just looking at it on newegg

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bwallen:

I'm hesitant to trust a USB tuner over an internal WinTV

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mag0o:

ah, I've got a "Pinnacle Systems, Inc. [hex] PCTV for Mac, HD Stick" working just fine for OTA

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mag0o:

it's one I picked up from woot a while back

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bwallen:

hmm... I might have to give it a try then

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wylie:

bwallen: even the hd-pvr (which lots of mythtv users use for hdtv) is connected to system via USB

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wylie:

so no problem there

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skd5aner:

stuartm: actually, I wouldn't say that's the reason at all... Line of Business applications within corporations are the primary reason. Most IE6 deployments are almost exclusively in corporations or on elderly people's computers that probably still run Windows 98

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skd5aner:

stuartm: but I do agree with you, mythtv would have no reason to really support older generation browsers – especially for a feature set related to video stream

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skd5aner:

ing

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stuartm:

skd5aner: nah, it's a contributing factor, yes fixing those internal applications to be standards compliant would costly and disruptive, but there is no requirment for them to use the same browser for the intranet and internet, it's not particularly safe and the latter only occurs because they can still use a number of sites with IE6

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stuartm:

whip up a wrapper app for IE6, limit it to internal addresses, give it another name, dead cheap to do, that becomes the application by which staff interface with the internal business applications, for the internet they use a modern browser ... it's really less of a big deal than they are making it out to be

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DrChef:

Hello, can someone tell me when the MythVideo fileparsing actualy takes place? 1. when I add files to the list (scan for updates) or 2. when i start to look up the metadata?

[16:14:25]

iamlindoro:

1

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wagnerrp:

i already told you three hours ago

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DrChef:

ohh ;) sry

[16:17:42]

DrChef:

do you know the regexp for the parsing?

[16:17:50]

DrChef:

or where i can find them

[16:18:15]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing

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gandalfcome:

I am on mythtv 0.23 and wnated to know if the frontend can access the images centrally like mythvideo can?

[16:19:22]

wagnerrp:

gandalfcome: not yet, possible feature in 0.25

[16:19:47]

DrChef:

@wagnerrp: yes, i know this page but the examples are not working on my machine and i want to check the expressions to find out whats my mistake

[16:19:48]

iamlindoro:

huh?

[16:20:11]

iamlindoro:

images as in MythGallery images? Theme images? Recording images?

[16:20:18]

stuartm:

probable feature in 0.25, in fact if 0.25 ships without all main plugins using storage groups, I'll shoot someone

[16:20:22]

wagnerrp:

im guessing mythgallery

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gandalfcome:

wagnerrp: :(. when's 0.25 coming out?

[16:20:42]

wagnerrp:

some time early-mid next year

[16:20:52]

stuartm:

Feb/Mar probably

[16:21:08]

stuartm:

maybe later given the current goals for that release

[16:21:11]

gandalfcome:

to all others: yes I mean mythgallery images. (for my mom to view iPhoto on the big screen :D ) .

[16:22:24]

gandalfcome:

so you guys suggest just mounting the folder via fstab on the frontend?

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wagnerrp:

DrChef: the filename examples work fine here

[16:23:16]

wagnerrp:

and that code hasnt changed in some time

[16:23:39]

wagnerrp:

did you scan with old names, change the names, and rescan?

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** Beirdo grumbles **

[16:30:22]

Beirdo:

seems my mythbox rebooted itself at 5:22am

[16:30:40]

Beirdo:

anywho... meeting

[16:31:11]

ie:

will this work... connecting my DVR(Antenna out) to my TV tuner and watch/record everything with mythtv?

[16:31:13]

DrChef:

wagnerrp: yes i did this and this is not good i realized but this is not my problem, my problem is that the parser don't notized my folder structure

[16:32:09]

ie:

can mythtv receive antenna out signal just like a tv does?

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DrChef:

wagnerrp: and i made my structure just like in the examples with titel/season 1/episode 1 subtitle

[16:33:28]

wagnerrp:

antenna out?

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: he means routing a VCR to a capture card

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wagnerrp:

you /can/, but i dont know why you would want to

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wagnerrp:

any such connection will be analog only

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wagnerrp:

and consumer grade modulators are generally pretty poor quality

[16:34:25]

ie:

wagnerrp to record

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stuartm:

ie: yes, if you have the necessary hardware, but mythtv is designed for recording from regular schedules, not redubbing if that's what you're planning

[16:34:41]

wagnerrp:

there is almost certainly a better way to go about doing what you want

[16:34:59]

wagnerrp:

what are you actually looking to record?

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ie:

wagnerrp something I recorded few years ago on my dvr's hard disk so I want to find a way to save it before the hard disk dies

[16:36:41]

wagnerrp:

your DVR doesnt have a normal video output?

[16:36:46]

wagnerrp:

composite? svideo?

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wagnerrp:

both of which are going to be of noticeably better quality than through the modulator

[16:37:15]

RogerM:

Can someone try this and see if it's only me or not. Fresh mythtv checkout without config.log. Do a configure --previous. It should complain and generate a new.. Run configure --previous again. This time I get this output serveral times "Options: --previous". I stopped at ten outputs.

[16:37:38]

ie:

wagnerrp it doesnt, it only has tv 2 out and antenna out

[16:38:00]

wagnerrp:

what is 'tv 2 out'?

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gavinp:

which PVR is this?

[16:38:46]

ie:

wagnerrp some weird thing that allows you to connect two tv's using one dvr

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iamlindoro:

RogerM: That's what one would expect, since it's not using the --previous option correctly

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ie:

gavinp it is dvr 30015 has two names, showbox and multichoice

[16:39:46]

wagnerrp:

and theyre both threaded coaxial plugs?

[16:40:06]

ie:

gavinp tried connecting the hard drive to my pc, but the content files are locked (encrypted) :(

[16:40:15]

ie:

wagnerrp yes both coaxial

[16:40:38]

iamlindoro:

That "output" is not an output

[16:40:40]

ie:

i have skystar 2, was wondering if antenna out or tv 2 out could work with it

[16:41:34]

ie:

I did connect my dvr antenna out to my tv(replacing a/v cables) and it gives a good picture

[16:41:42]

ie:

hd tv

[16:42:03]

wagnerrp:

anyway, mythtv will just use the v4l api to capture off a card

[16:42:25]

wagnerrp:

so if your card has a tuner that works in linux, mythtv can capture off of it

[16:46:22]

ie:

if mythtv can only play tv channels that were manually/automatically searched, that is where I doubt it will work

[16:46:52]

wagnerrp:

you can force it to work, but you are correct, mythtv is not suited for such use

[16:47:08]

wagnerrp:

better to use ffmpeg/mplayer/vlc/somethingelse to manually record off the tuner

[16:47:13]

iamlindoro:

Manual for that set top box states that it's RF out

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iamlindoro:

meaning SD

[16:48:12]

iamlindoro:

So yeah, you can capture it just like the SD analog output of any other box

[16:49:25]

ie:

iamlindoro but can caputre it how?

[16:49:33]

iamlindoro:

Using any alaong capture card

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iamlindoro:

analog

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iamlindoro:

I would never use that output, however, it is the lowest quality of all outputs

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ie:

I notice many new tvs don't have (HDMI out) or (A/V out).. same for pay per view set top boxes

[16:56:08]

wagnerrp:

very few tvs have any form of video output

[16:56:09]

ie:

I wonder how people will save their favorite scenes, shows few years later

[16:56:43]

iamlindoro:

Every HD set top box in the US market has HDMI out and some combination of analog outputs as well

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RogerM:

ie: well.. tv stations/recording studios sure are doing their best for consumers to record..

[16:57:33]

RogerM:

ie: arg.. I mean NOT to record.. sorry..

[16:57:35]

ie:

iamlindoro there are plenty yes, but not the ones sold by big network companies

[16:57:37]

ie:

such as showtime

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iamlindoro:

ie: Don't know what market you are in, showtime is a TV network here, and not in the hardware business

[16:58:04]

ie:

foxsat?

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iamlindoro:

ie: Again, every single set top box in the North American (and I daresay european) market has some combination of HDMI, analog, or both outputs

[16:59:33]

ie:

iamlindoro actually they developed a new technology that you no longer need a smart card to view their channels, so they no longer sell smart cards anymore

[16:59:51]

iamlindoro:

ie: So what? What has that got to do with anything?

[16:59:52]

ie:

you have to buy their dvr receivers to be able to view what you pay for

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iamlindoro:

Yes, that's what they want

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ie:

iamlindoro so you cant use the dvrs that have hdmi etc

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ie:

hdmi out*

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ie:

and tvs dont have video output

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wagnerrp:

no, any HDMI output you may find will be encrypted

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ie:

we'll be screwed very soon lol.. unless some one comes with something new

[17:01:02]

wagnerrp:

and there are no HDMI capture cards that support handling of HDCP

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** iamlindoro gives up trying to explain **

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ie:

wagnerrp am aware of that, but am just wodnering about the darker future

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dougt_:

anyone seeing multiple mythbackend's being exec'ed using trunk? So, over a period of time, there will be many process running called "mythbackend"?

[17:17:33]

dougt_:

http://pastebin.mozilla.org/790156

[17:17:51]

wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

those are preview generation processes

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wagnerrp:

forked off so that if they lock up (as they apparently have) they wont take down the whole backend

[17:18:53]

wagnerrp:

that functionality has been moved into a specifically named process for 0.24, so it wont be so confusing

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Beirdo:

they shouldn't be screwy though

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dougt_:

wagnerrp: i thought that we started using that preview gen executable.

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Beirdo:

we do fork/exec

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Beirdo:

so it's still mythbackend until the exex

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Beirdo:

exec rather

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Beirdo:

which should be nearly immediate

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Beirdo:

(milliseconds)

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Beirdo:

I would think that the exec would change ARGV[0] and the ps listing

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Beirdo:

so... if you want to debug, attach gdb to one o those extra idle ones, get a full backtrace

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gavinp:

milliseconds?

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gavinp:

if fork/exec takes milliseconds, you're on calum in 1996.

[17:25:23]

Beirdo:

I mean milliseconds max that that child process should still be mythbackend

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Beirdo:

my bet is that it is still somehow blocking before the exec

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Beirdo:

I thought I had fixed that

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Beirdo:

and calum would sometimes take seconds :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

poor overworked box :)

[17:26:30]

Beirdo:

we pounded the crap outta that hardware

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sphery:

Beirdo: Think http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/452216#452216 could have something to do with [26225] ? I can't think of any other changes that cuold be related.

[17:32:06]

Beirdo:

doubtful

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sphery:

I'm not seeing the MySQL server disconnected message in the log, but...

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Beirdo:

yeah, I doubt it was caused by that. If so, we definitely need better logging

[17:33:35]

Beirdo:

and we can easily fix those queries to be INSERT IGNORE if we can't find the true problem

[17:33:39]

Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

since when can you set framegrabbers to arbitrarily high resolutions and expect everything to just work?

[17:41:06]

Beirdo:

very good question

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, component is analog so my bttv card should be able to do 1080p!

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

it is a baseband signal

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wagnerrp:

you could chain together three bttv cards

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wagnerrp:

and do 'some math'

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wagnerrp:

to capture the original signal

[17:55:13]

wagnerrp:

i thought it up, the programming cant be hard, now get to it!

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Beirdo:

and do it in Ada!

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gandalfcome:

is there any way to mark the videos in mythvideo as watched?

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iamlindoro:

"Mark as Watched" in the menu

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gandalfcome:

iamlindoro: not there: scan for changes ; filter display; browse by; changeview; disable file browse mode; enable flat view;

[18:09:46]

iamlindoro:

Wrong menu

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gandalfcome:

i pressed m.

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iamlindoro:

INFO and MENU each invoke a menu

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gandalfcome:

iamlindoro: I see thank you. will watched be stored in the db or on each frontend?

[18:10:33]

iamlindoro:

db

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gandalfcome:

Is there an easy way to give a regexp to mythvideo for a certain folder?

[18:11:43]

iamlindoro:

??

[18:12:05]

gandalfcome:

to analyse the structure (like s01e03 in the filename and so on.)

[18:12:29]

iamlindoro:

no, Mythvideo already includes all regexps necessary to handle common naming schemes

[18:12:43]

iamlindoro:

Filenames are parsed when first scanned into the library

[18:12:52]

iamlindoro:

If you want them to be reparsed you can remove and readd the content

[18:13:20]

gandalfcome:

is it also possible to tell mythvideo which id to look for on tvdb. because some of my tv shows are not found even though they are on tvdb. (they are really old german shows, so it might be hard).

[18:13:45]

iamlindoro:

Yes, edit the metadata and give it the inetref, then query metadata

[18:14:10]

gandalfcome:

they are normal avi's do they have metadata? Is there an extra xml I can attach?

[18:14:20]

iamlindoro:

no

[18:14:31]

gandalfcome:

to both questions?

[18:14:36]

iamlindoro:

yes

[18:14:48]

gandalfcome:

so how would you do it then?

[18:15:24]

iamlindoro:

You scan them in, edit the metadata in mythvideo to insert the tvdb id, season, and episode number, and then query metadata

[18:16:09]

gandalfcome:

so I'm in the metadat section: then I guess manually enter video # ?

[18:16:18]

iamlindoro:

No

[18:16:20]

iamlindoro:

Edit metadata

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iamlindoro:

Modify information

[18:16:30]

iamlindoro:

OK

[18:16:36]

iamlindoro:

then download metadata

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gandalfcome:

okay. I only have title, subtitle, season, episode, parental control, category, file to always pla..., include while browsing ...... and some more

[18:18:04]

Beirdo:

OK, UPS is confused... again

[18:18:11]

iamlindoro:

Need to use a theme with all the required widgets... like Arclight

[18:18:17]

gandalfcome:

okay

[18:18:19]

iamlindoro:

Put in the information I told you

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iamlindoro:

then click ok

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iamlindoro:

then pull metadata

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Beirdo:

they think that the right route for a package from Phoenix, AZ to Seattle, WA... is via Louisville, KY

[18:18:34]

iamlindoro:

Also, please read the MythVideo page on the wiki, this is basic use stuff

[18:18:39]

gandalfcome:

i'm using terra, which comes as default for mythtv

[18:18:48]

gandalfcome:

sorry mythbuntu

[18:18:53]

Beirdo:

ya put it on the wrong plane, tards!

[18:19:20]

gavinp:

Isn't Louisville a big UPS air hub?

[18:19:25]

Beirdo:

yes

[18:19:38]

Beirdo:

but there are direct flights from Phoenix -> Seattle

[18:19:43]

Beirdo:

why waste the fuel?

[18:20:04]

Beirdo:

I know.. they run their own fleet, blah blah blah

[18:20:18]

gavinp:

Tricky. Logistics are easier if you don't sort at each end, the ultimate result can be more efficient.

[18:20:20]

** gavinp shrugs. **

[18:20:26]

Beirdo:

still strikes me as odd

[18:20:31]

gavinp:

Also, fuel consumption of airplanes is very, very complicated.

[18:20:47]

gandalfcome:

iamlindoro: thanks for helping. I didn't know that this was basic use. So themes sometimes don't provide the full functionality?

[18:20:48]

gavinp:

Like I have been to many lectures on this topic, and still find it absolutely baffling.

[18:21:02]

Beirdo:

you'd think there'd be somewhere closer that'd be a major hub, but whatever works for them, just get me my package on time, thanks

[18:21:28]

gavinp:

For years FedEx did all sorting in memphis.

[18:21:42]

gavinp:

Some dysfunctional companies had bad internal mail, so people used fedex to go between floors of the same new york towers.

[18:21:45]

tgm4883:

sorry mythbuntu?

[18:21:48]

gavinp:

Think about that for a bit!

[18:21:53]

Beirdo:

heh

[18:22:12]

gavinp:

Also: can fedex really do next day 10am for San Diego to St. John's?

[18:22:18]

Beirdo:

I remember once we were sending a package from Ottawa to New Jersey...

[18:22:28]

Beirdo:

it went via Argentina

[18:22:33]

Beirdo:

go, UPS

[18:22:45]

gavinp:

I like Argentina.

[18:22:47]

gavinp:

It's nice there.

[18:22:54]

gavinp:

How are you on beef and strong cheese?

[18:23:05]

Beirdo:

needless to say, we did NOT pay for that shipment. overnight delivery my butt.

[18:23:08]

justinh:

stuartm: yeh no I hadn't seen that reg article. cheers. I agree with a lot of the comments though.. 5 years for selling dodgy cable boxes... bit heavy-handed when you can do far worse & do less time

[18:23:29]

Beirdo:

I like Argentina's cuisine, that much I do know

[18:23:53]

Beirdo:

but I'm happy with Seattle, thanks :)

[18:23:58]

justinh:

but then I forget – the police & justice system are in cahoots with MediaCorp.. spending stupid amounts of public money taking down a paid torrent site, eg

[18:24:23]

Beirdo:

crud. Amazon still hasn't shipped my DVDRW. insanity

[18:24:54]

Beirdo:

but.. $19.99...

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gavinp:

i went for another 4TB of disk for my media array

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phil___:

hiho

[18:32:00]

gavinp:

should be nice, although i'll have to put 1TB of that into a raid-1

[18:33:22]

phil___:

i just switched from the internal player to mplayer in mythvideo, disabled the SG

[18:33:57]

iamlindoro:

Your loss

[18:34:34]

phil___:

when i go through the local videos i get numerous msg of not found fanart/coverart, although they are in the SG and i have sufficient access rights

[18:34:53]

phil___:

all the other metadata is there, but coverart

[18:35:14]

iamlindoro:

You can't disable video storage group but not image storage groups

[18:35:23]

phil___:

iamlindoro: well, i like to have subtitles not as tiny as the internal player provides

[18:35:24]

iamlindoro:

It's all of them, or none of them

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iamlindoro:

phil___: So wait two weeks and you will have a version of MythTv that allows you to make them as large or as small as you wish

[18:36:04]

stuartm:

external player support goes away soon (I hope)

[18:36:23]

phil___:

streaming everything is sweet, yes

[18:36:31]

phil___:

but subtitles is a must for me

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iamlindoro:

iamlindoro: phil___: So wait two weeks and you will have a version of MythTv that allows you to make them as large or as small as you wish

[18:36:48]

phil___:

nice, i hope ubuntu will ship the pkg soon

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iamlindoro:

You can get trunk packages now...

[18:37:25]

iamlindoro:

10.10 will be .23 (ie, not the version I am speaking of)

[18:37:38]

iamlindoro:

They will officially ship .24 with 11.04

[18:38:16]

iamlindoro:

Alternately, you could just compile .24 when it comes out

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phil___:

i'll wait a bit longer then

[18:39:03]

phil___:

in the meantime – subs!

[18:39:10]

phil___:

thanks

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justinh:

you could just switch repos to the mythbuntu ones

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justinh:

easy peasy, so they'll have the 0.24 release pretty much as soon as it's out I imagine.. so everybody using their repo will be able to have it too

[18:40:05]

phil___:

yeah nice one

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justinh:

not that compiling mythtv yourself is overly difficult, and it allows you to tinker with the code :-)

[18:40:39]

phil___:

i know but prefer the easy way including staying up to date without beeing after it

[18:41:09]

justinh:

compiling isn't easy? lol

[18:41:29]

phil___:

i didn't say that justinh

[18:41:46]

phil___:

but not compiling is easier, you'd agree for sure would you?

[18:42:03]

justinh:

I don't stay up to date – certainly not with the vast majority of things ubuntu spits at me with

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wagnerrp:

phil___: that depends on your distro

[18:42:20]

justinh:

hence the long workyness of my backend & frontend boxes :)

[18:42:52]

phil___:

wagnerrp: thinking of gentoo it's the same

[18:42:57]

phil___:

wagnerrp: true :-)

[18:43:36]

justinh:

I don't like ubuntu's point & click package installer thingy

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phil___:

well then justinh, you'll have to stay behind whatever you want new

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justinh:

no I don't

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justinh:

I update myth as & when I see fit. no problems

[18:44:37]

justinh:

if anything else comes along that ubuntu doesn't have I either find a repo which has it or build it myself :)

[18:45:03]

justinh:

none of that upgrade the whole frickin distro just to get updated packages routine

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phil___:

however, adjustment of subs is highly appreciated, waiting in vain, over and out

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justinh:

bout time I put my money where my mouth is & get the heck off the ubuntu train once & for all

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

or just do what I do

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Beirdo:

install ubuntu server... then ignore them

[18:47:19]

Beirdo:

upgrade whenever you feel like

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Beirdo:

anyways... anyone know if the FM receiver in the HVR-2250 is working in Linux?

[18:48:10]

justinh:

the metapackage stuff annoys me too, like when you uninstall the office junk etc gnome-desktop goes with it.. and I never like the sound of that

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KjetilK:

when in the LiveTV Programme Guide, I'd like some keybindings different from the default, specifically, I'd like OK to go to "edit schedule" and Play to jump to the channel (which is what OK does now). I can't really find my way around the Edit Keys dialog... Can I fix this by editing some files...?

[18:55:08]

wagnerrp:

no, mythtv does not store any configuration data in loose files

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KjetilK:

OK, SQL statements, then?

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** KjetilK finds the keybindings table **

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Beirdo:

CyberKnet: you here?

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KjetilK:

hmmm, I suppose my problem is really: which context is this?

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justinh:

KjetilK: this is why there's a UI for editing keybindings

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KjetilK:

justinh, yeah, but I find the UI harder to understand than SQL

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justinh:

pfft. well, hope you don't wreck anything

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KjetilK:

hhe

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KjetilK:

hehe, I mean

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** KjetilK has stopped writing SQL on prod boxes many years ago **

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KjetilK:

aaaaanyway, I could probably use the UI if I just understood which context the EPG belongs to...

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KjetilK:

or is the issue here that the SELECT action is used to jump to the channel, while I want PLAYBACK to do that in that context?

[19:16:19]

KjetilK:

well, different problem: A channel I had working a few days ago just stopped working: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/Xwdhepnn

[19:16:58]

KjetilK:

I don't know what the scariest part of that is, but it occurs to me that "AFD Error: Unknown audio decoding error" is pretty scary...

[19:18:24]

iamlindoro:

VDPAU Error: Error at mythrender_vdpau.cpp:726 (#23, The system does not have enough resources to complete the requested operation at this time.)

[19:18:33]

iamlindoro:

In short, not enough video ram

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iamlindoro:

Can try using a less aggressive deinterlacer, which might or might not help-- and not using VDPAU will almost certainly succeed

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KjetilK:

iamlindoro, OK, the card has 512 MB RAM

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iamlindoro:

ok... and?

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** KjetilK is just baffled that's not enough **

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sphery:

KjetilK: EPG is TV Frontend. Playback is, er, TV Playback.

[19:24:36]

sphery:

PLAYBACK action in TV Frontend is for playing things without the prompt you get when selecting things

[19:25:15]

sphery:

and the UI can't be more difficult to understand than SQL--they both have the identical action names and context names.

[19:26:06]

KjetilK:

sphery, true, but I spend a lot more time in SQL than in front of a screen in my living room

[19:26:13]

KjetilK:

(unfortunately, I might add :-) )

[19:26:42]

sphery:

well, the UI knows when you're doing things that won't work (like double-binding keys etc)

[19:26:54]

KjetilK:

yeah, that's a good thing

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sphery:

In the guide, though, if you use SELECT, it will change to the channel /iff/ the show is currently playing. Otherwise, it will edit a schedule for the select show.

[19:27:42]

sphery:

use the MENU to see all the possible actions in there, then set keybindings for those you want

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KjetilK:

aha

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KjetilK:

so, I guess I can stick to that, then

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sphery:

and MENU can also allow you to change channel without scrolling back to now (Change Channel) is always an option--regardless how far the show is into the future

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DrChef:

can somebody please tell me how to delete the mythvideo gallery (with metadata) without deleting the files? (which sql tabels i have to clean?)

[19:30:32]

sphery:

KjetilK: and CHANUPDATE (X) will change channels (but doesn't exit the GUIDE)

[19:31:08]

sphery:

DrChef: why not just point the gallery at an empty directory, rescan, then point it back to the proper directory?

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DrChef:

sphery: ok thx, i'll try

[19:32:16]

sphery:

that should work and without the danger of breaking something we don't understand :)

[19:32:36]

sphery:

that said, I don't know my MythGallery, so I may be wrong

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KjetilK:

sphery, OK, that one I wasn't aware of at all

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DrChef:

sphery: ohh no sry, not mythgallery. i mean the mythvideo gallery/library/all the videos

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KjetilK:

iamlindoro, I have a 8500 GT card, and I use VDPAU Normal, how do I change the deinterlace mode?

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KjetilK:

(this is on 0.23)

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wagnerrp:

go to the screen where you selected 'VDPAU Normal', click 'edit'

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wagnerrp:

Normal is what you want to use for an 8500

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anykey_:

1

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KjetilK:

yup, I remember that from docs

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KjetilK:

wagnerrp, you mean, I need to use "Normal", not "VDPAU Normal"?

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wagnerrp:

i mean VDPAU Normal

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KjetilK:

wagnerrp, right, that's what I had

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KjetilK:

was there some more detailed configuration I needed to do for it?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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KjetilK:

wagnerrp, but that's when it fails

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iamlindoro:

As previously mentioned, changing deint will *not* necessarily fix your issue-- your issue is that the encoding on that channel is such that it's too resource intensive for your card

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iamlindoro:

If you want to fix it conclusively, don't use VDPAU

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iamlindoro:

otherwise, anything will just be a best effort

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KjetilK:

iamlindoro, but then, I haven't got the CPU needed to play it without stuttering

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iamlindoro:

This is what we are always trying to warn people about when they are pinning all of their decoding on VDPAU

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iamlindoro:

KjetilK: As a rule, people should always be buying enough CPU to decode anything they wish to watch

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** KjetilK nods... **

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iamlindoro:

VDPAU should never be depended on-- this is what we are always trying to tell people (and being ignored) when they buy Atoms

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iamlindoro:

sphery: ^^

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KjetilK:

hehe

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KjetilK:

mine is an Athlon64 2X :-)

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iamlindoro:

VDPAU is great when it works-- but everyone should be prepared for when it *doesn't*

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iamlindoro:

You can try VDPAU slim and see if it gets you anywhere-- otherwise, time for more proc

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KjetilK:

iamlindoro, is it worth trying to use VDPAU Slim

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KjetilK:

:-)

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU Slim is exactly the same, but with lesser deint filters

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wagnerrp:

you can try upgrading to trunk, and using the VDPAU painter as well... which is supposed to improve resource usage and allow you to get by with lower memory cards

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jarle:

As far as I know that channel KjetilK is trying to watch is not interlaced, so no deinterlacing should be needed....

[19:52:34]

KjetilK:

jarle, ok, it is Norwegian TV2 HD

[19:52:57]

KjetilK:

I always have the option of just using the SD version

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** KjetilK rarely watches that channel anyway, it's the wife :-) **

[19:54:10]

** jarle thinks something has changed in the way this channel is broadcasted, as no it used to work just fine until recently... **

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sphery:

iamlindoro: definitely

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sphery:

DrChef: great, for MythVideo, I can guarantee that approach will work

[19:54:52]

jarle:

maybe they increased the bitrate or something?

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KjetilK:

jarle, yeah, it just suddenly broke here too

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iamlindoro:

Channel's fine, it's VDPAU that's deficient

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KjetilK:

sure, but it would be interesting to know why

[19:59:02]

iamlindoro:

because VDPAU is a very strict, limited set of parameters in which all video must exist, and any step outside of them crushes it completely ;)

[19:59:18]

iamlindoro:

Not sure knowing where the encoding changed would change much

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wagnerrp:

as is the case with all hardware decoders

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KjetilK:

ok, interesting

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iamlindoro:

indeed, is the case with all hardware decode

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iamlindoro:

to channel sphery, software decode FTW ;)

[20:00:37]

iamlindoro:

You can already see in your log that it's too many reference frames for VDPAU, so it's just chucking out video data to try to keep up

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KjetilK:

OK, so my plan to just spread PoE-powered units with mythfrontends around the house is doomed for now...?

[20:01:26]

** iamlindoro shudders **

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wagnerrp:

why would you want to do PoE?

[20:01:51]

KjetilK:

a single cable for everything

[20:01:55]

wagnerrp:

surely anywhere you have a mythtv unit, you have a TV which requires power

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KjetilK:

right, but screen (not the big ones, 22" ones) + CPU + GPU ++ in 15 W

[20:03:06]

KjetilK:

the plan was mostly to have that in the kids' rooms

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wagnerrp:

where are you going to find a 22" screen that runs on 15W

[20:03:15]

iamlindoro:

I think you're confusing amps and watts

[20:03:16]

KjetilK:

not yet, but they're getting there

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wagnerrp:

much less one with enough spare power to run any form of video decoder

[20:03:24]

wagnerrp:

no theyre not

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KjetilK:

iamlindoro, nope

[20:03:45]

iamlindoro:

You aren't going to get anything remotely capable of mythfrontend + TV in 15 W

[20:03:58]

KjetilK:

I saw a 15" screen the other day that ran on PoE

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wagnerrp:

s/15W/13W/

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iamlindoro:

If you are darn lucky, you *might* be able to get a Mythfrontend that *idled* at 15W

[20:04:51]

KjetilK:

OK, OK, I'll wait a few years, then :-)

[20:04:52]

wagnerrp:

even ION systems dont run at that low consumption

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** justinh misses the old days when somebody would just tell it like it is ;-) **

[20:26:34]

justinh:

very rudely, with swearing & everything

[20:27:01]

gavinp:

Steve Ballmer?

[20:28:23]

justinh:

not quite chair throwing

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justinh:

methinks this PoE frontend subject has come up more than once before here. swearing didn't help then either

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justinh:

wonder when there's gonna be some ML comment about this new 'YouView' thing then

[20:40:52]

wagnerrp:

anyone read sql to understand what exactly this 'mysql tuning script' on the mailing list does?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I just ignore bash scripts that purport to do... well, anything, really

[20:47:02]

wagnerrp:

it doesnt /change/ anything, so it shouldnt be harmful

[20:47:18]

wagnerrp:

just seems to be pulling and displaying some configuration statistics

[20:48:14]

wagnerrp:

in a horribly ugly bash/mysql manner

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gavinp:

I liked the way he redacted his email address.

[20:50:31]

wagnerrp:

i almost want to rewrite it in python as a 'look how easy this crap is when you use something with real mysql support'

[20:50:33]

wagnerrp:

but meh...

[20:50:55]

gavinp:

"google email domain name" <-- aren't there lots of these?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: tell him to "wget mysqltuner.pl"

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Beirdo:

it doesn't change the settings, but it does a pretty darn good job of diagnosing, AFAIK

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wagnerrp:

gavinp: the idea is that bots cant simply scrape the address without a bit of intelligence

[20:52:21]

wagnerrp:

not that it does any good, as his email is published for the world to see by the mailing list archives

[20:53:58]

gavinp:

I understand his motivation

[20:54:06]

gavinp:

so the google email domain is google.com, right?

[20:54:18]

gavinp:

that's what i was saying

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gavinp:

chromium.org ?

[20:54:31]

gavinp:

gmail.com ?

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wagnerrp:

gmail, as the 'sent from' field so clearly indicates

[20:54:52]

gavinp:

yup

[20:55:01]

wagnerrp:

or do you mean just looking at the script and nothing else

[20:55:05]

gavinp:

the latter

[20:55:06]

wagnerrp:

trying to get in touch with the author

[20:55:19]

gavinp:

i just found it funny; since my first reading was that he was a googler

[20:55:35]

gavinp:

and that script, well...

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Beirdo:

there. I posted my reply

[20:57:33]

Beirdo:

heh

[20:58:09]

wagnerrp:

where are you going to wget it from?

[20:58:10]

Beirdo:

why do SO many people want to spin their own?

[20:58:32]

wagnerrp:

you cant just wget a file, you need an address

[20:58:39]

Beirdo:

that IS an address

[20:58:40]

Beirdo:

try it

[20:58:56]

wagnerrp:

thats just madness

[20:59:13]

Beirdo:

that was my precise reaction when kormoc first showed me that

[20:59:36]

gavinp:

YOURE URI IS WRITTEN WRONG

[20:59:51]

Beirdo:

just... do...it...

[20:59:53]

Beirdo:

:)

[20:59:54]

wagnerrp:

s/YOURE/UR/

[20:59:59]

gavinp:

i did it. cute.

[21:00:05]

gavinp:

still not a valid URI!

[21:00:06]

wagnerrp:

and its spelled RITEN

[21:00:16]

gavinp:

not RITIN ?

[21:00:19]

Beirdo:

heh

[21:00:30]

Beirdo:

gavinp: yeah, but wget doesn't care

[21:00:52]

Beirdo:

which is arguably a bug in wget :)

[21:01:43]

wagnerrp:

wget is designed as an http downloader primarily... only makes sense that is its default protocol

[21:02:00]

Beirdo:

true :)

[21:02:15]

Beirdo:

too bad there's no .py TLD :)

[21:02:21]

Beirdo:

or is ther?

[21:02:26]

wagnerrp:

and the evil google thread just... keeps.... going....

[21:02:44]

Beirdo:

oh crap, there is

[21:02:49]

iamlindoro:

"this is offtopic, but you guys will agree with me!"

[21:03:11]

wagnerrp:

paraguay

[21:03:25]

Beirdo:

go get yerself a .py domain or two :)

[21:04:25]

Beirdo:

I still think the Cook Islands registrar should put commercial -> .co....

[21:04:34]

Beirdo:

they could sell a lot of porn sites

[21:06:21]

Beirdo:

anyone here have an HVR-2250 in use that could pastebin me the lspci portion for the card?

[21:06:34]

wagnerrp:

!seen stoth

[21:06:34]

MythLogBot:

stoth was last seen 2 days 1 hour 20 minutes 52 seconds ago

[21:06:46]

Beirdo:

yeah, I checked for him :)

[21:06:54]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: The FM tuner is not supported

[21:06:58]

Beirdo:

dang

[21:07:00]

Beirdo:

:)

[21:07:05]

wagnerrp:

here we go... http://codebase.tuxnet24.de/index.php?space=1 . . . snippets=107

[21:07:06]

Beirdo:

thanks :)

[21:07:09]

iamlindoro:

np

[21:07:29]

Beirdo:

the card's on its way here from the Indianapolis area anyways

[21:08:22]

Beirdo:

wonder how much extra work it would be to get it in there sometime

[21:08:34]

wagnerrp:

?

[21:10:00]

Beirdo:

?

[21:11:01]

PeaceKeeper:

Beirdo: You still need lspci ?

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Beirdo:

if ya got one, I'd be interested, sure.. pastebin?

[21:11:34]

PeaceKeeper:

sure 1 sec

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Beirdo:

hahah, someone bit on the sneaky domain...

[21:14:51]

PeaceKeeper:

http://pastebin.com/Wwfgghng I hope that is what you wanted (it is all of lspci i am not sure what part is the 2250 :( )

[21:14:54]

Beirdo:

I knew someone would

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Beirdo:

thanks

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Beirdo:

05:00.0

[21:15:50]

Beirdo:

OK, so it all sits behind the SAA7164. That's what I expected

[21:16:53]

Beirdo:

I think I should send stoth a donation for sure

[21:17:01]

gavinp:

beirdo, on URI syntax, the first time i visited slashdot, among the first posts I read was one suggesting you 404 instead of 301 on directories specified without a trailing /

[21:17:12]

gavinp:

and the 404 could contain pedagogic text about the convention that directory URIs end in /

[21:17:23]

Beirdo:

between HVR-2250 and HD-PVR, my myth experience will soon be very much dependent on his work :)

[21:17:37]

Beirdo:

haha

[21:17:47]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: janne wrote the HD-PVR driver

[21:17:49]

Beirdo:

slashdot.. the cesspool of the internet

[21:18:19]

Beirdo:

oh, right, am I on crack?

[21:18:20]

PeaceKeeper:

Beirdo: I have 2250,HD-PVR, Air2PC, and PVR-500 installed :) They all play nice.

[21:18:24]

Beirdo:

your're right

[21:18:33]

Beirdo:

and I should send HIM a donation too

[21:18:46]

iamlindoro:

Double donation since he can't even use it ;)

[21:19:09]

Beirdo:

he wrote it blind? Holy crap!

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iamlindoro:

He wrote it with a dev board

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Beirdo:

wow

[21:19:27]

iamlindoro:

But has nothing with which to use it

[21:19:45]

PeaceKeeper:

Wow is right....

[21:20:09]

Beirdo:

well, in spite of its occasional borkedness (which I think is mostly hardware, not software), the HDPVR has been very good to me

[21:20:17]

Beirdo:

it occasionally wants a power cycle

[21:20:34]

Beirdo:

but since I covered the IR receiver, it's been pretty good

[21:20:58]

Beirdo:

He definitely is owed kudos at a minimum :)

[21:21:20]

wagnerrp:

wait... arent the air2pc cards DVB-T?

[21:21:34]

Beirdo:

ATSC, AFAIK

[21:21:43]

Beirdo:

at least the one I had that no longer works

[21:21:54]

Beirdo:

and QAM kinda... if pushed just right

[21:22:00]

Beirdo:

at least that version

[21:22:14]

PeaceKeeper:

yea ATSC and QAM (but QAM is not good)

[21:23:02]

PeaceKeeper:

2250 does QAM much better.

[21:23:10]

Beirdo:

HD Homerun :)

[21:23:22]

PeaceKeeper:

My hd homerun stopped working :(

[21:23:28]

Beirdo:

my 2250 will be exercising stoth's new analog support

[21:23:45]

PeaceKeeper:

Analog Support ?

[21:24:13]

Beirdo:

July 31, I think it was... went into beta or something of the kind

[21:24:34]

PeaceKeeper:

nice. I need to look at that. but of course I have a pvr-500 for that

[21:25:00]

Beirdo:

I have 2 * PVR-250, but my new backend will have one total slot.

[21:25:39]

Beirdo:

a PCI-E x16

[21:25:39]

PeaceKeeper:

analog support on steventoth.net ?

[21:25:48]

Beirdo:

http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?p=1443

[21:25:53]

Beirdo:

that was the announcement

[21:25:57]

wagnerrp:

yeah, about two months ago

[21:27:24]

PeaceKeeper:

Nice, thank you for the link :D

[21:27:31]

Beirdo:

no problemo

[21:28:07]

Beirdo:

if I can't get it working for my desired use, I can always just put another two drops from the antenna for more OTA

[21:28:10]

Beirdo:

heh

[21:30:06]

PeaceKeeper:

that what I did at first :)

[21:34:08]

gavinp:

i managed to get my landlord

[21:41:37]

gavinp:

to let me put an OTA antenna on my back deck, and run cables around the house

[21:41:47]

gavinp:

when he redid the siding this spring, my cable even got nicely covered

[21:42:30]

Beirdo:

cool

[21:42:54]

gavinp:

yeah. that's one of the nicest things he's ever done, worked out really well.

[21:43:12]

gavinp:

him coming up to my door and yelling at me because my four year old is making normal four year old level noise during the day?

[21:43:14]

gavinp:

less endearing.

[21:44:06]

gavinp:

foaming at the mouth screaming i mean. like even if i thought his complaints were legitimate, or something we had even a tiny sliver of hope of dealing with, i'd still be infuriated by his delivery

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Beirdo:

some people are stoopid

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gavinp:

a hungarian friend was over for one of these, he says my landlord is just european

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gavinp:

i have no idea

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Linkeroo:

having a problem w/ mythmusic always starting over at the beginning of the playlist between reboots

[22:35:55]

Linkeroo:

i have the option set to 'exact' resume

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Linkeroo:

does it store it's position in mysql or in a file somewhere?

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Linkeroo:

might be a permissions issue but the users ~ is ok

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sphery:

Linkeroo: beginning of a playlist or beginning of a song?

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Linkeroo:

starts over at the beginning of the playlist

[22:39:37]

sphery:

And how are you rebooting? Are you exiting MythTV nicely or is it dying because you're told the underlying OS to reboot and it kills processes and/or exits the X server (killing all clients)?

[22:40:00]

Linkeroo:

yea i go to the main myth screen, escape, 'yes exit mythtv'

[22:40:43]

Linkeroo:

or use the reboot menu option from within myth, not sure if that's smart enough to exit cleanly

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sphery:

hmmm... well I'm out of guesses, then.

[22:40:50]

sphery:

I don't know MythMusic.

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Linkeroo:

but any way i do it

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Linkeroo:

hmm

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sphery:

are you playing with the embedded player?

[22:41:22]

Linkeroo:

yea

[22:41:28]

sphery:

maybe if you stop it, then reboot, it will work

[22:41:49]

Linkeroo:

oh, don't leave it playing

[22:41:51]

Linkeroo:

i'll try that

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sphery:

and if that's the case, we'd love a patch that properly saves the info when exiting mythfrontend your way

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Linkeroo:

heh

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sphery:

wagnerrp: in theory, Flash on GNU/Linux /does/ use OpenGL--see http://blogs.adobe.com/penguinswf/2008/05/fla . . . the_gpu.html

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sphery:

IMHO, the problem is they refuse to do colorspace conversion, so can't use things like Xv

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wagnerrp:

right, im saying if they use opengl, they shouldnt be doing colorspace conversion or scaling

[22:48:59]

wagnerrp:

you just feed it into the GPU, and tell it what to do

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sphery:

yeah, but they're obviously doing something wrong since they say they're doing that

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sphery:

but it doesn't happen

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sphery:

client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation

[22:51:45]

sphery:

GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_EXT_framebuffer_object, GL_ARB_shader_objects, GL_ARB_shading_language_100, GL_ARB_fragment_shader all available extensions

[22:52:02]

sphery:

but it doesn't work

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sphery:

oh, and I'm not using Compiz

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sphery:

still, a colorspace conversion is very low-resource, compared to software rendering

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sphery:

(and they're doing the YUV to RGB conversion after decoding the video, anyway--so just don't do it and do an RGB->YUV conversoin for teh rest)

[22:54:13]

sphery:

anyway, I hate Adobe Flash

[22:54:37]

gavinp:

but what about all their composing?

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gavinp:

they want to do composing in RGB.

[22:54:43]

gavinp:

:/

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gavinp:

it's pretty weird.

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wagnerrp:

gavinp: either you convert your video to RGB, and composite with RGB elements

[22:57:33]

wagnerrp:

or you bake your other elements in YUV, and overlay them on the video

[22:57:43]

wagnerrp:

either way, its an intensive process

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wagnerrp:

and shouldnt be done when you can just feed it to opengl and be done with it

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Beirdo:

Flash sucks

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justinh:

would we care less about it being closed if it actually worked quite well? I would :)

[23:03:15]

sphery:

justinh: me too

[23:03:39]

justinh:

sick to death of it hogging CPU & not being able to play without tearing

[23:03:39]

sphery:

gavinp: ah, didn't realize they were doing more than slapping graphics on top of video--I guess they have transparency and stuff

[23:03:57]

gavinp:

it's turing complete, afaik. i have no idea.

[23:04:01]

gavinp:

i don't care; i think flash really sucks.

[23:04:05]

sphery:

but, yeah, using OpenGL--versus just *saying* they use OpenGL would be fine

[23:04:19]

justinh:

yeh but if it didn't suck...

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Beirdo:

then it wouldn't be Flash

[23:04:38]

justinh:

heheh

[23:04:51]

gavinp:

i looked briefly into HTML5 in mythweb

[23:04:52]

justinh:

I mean all the websites that misuse it aside..

[23:04:57]

gavinp:

and chrome doesn't support rtp/rtsp

[23:05:00]

gavinp:

konquerer does

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sphery:

my Athlon II X2 250 (2x3GHz) can't do fullscreen flash on my system

[23:05:07]

gavinp:

so i guess i could do a konquerer only implementation!

[23:05:14]

Beirdo:

or fix chrome :)

[23:05:16]

justinh:

sphery: whaaa?

[23:05:18]

sphery:

and can barely do tiny-flash-in-the-web-pages

[23:05:27]

sphery:

justinh: not usably--too much tearing, etc

[23:05:32]

sphery:

it's awful

[23:05:33]

justinh:

ah

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gavinp:

beirdo: do you want me to assign the bug to myself so you can work on it?

[23:05:45]

gavinp:

that way you won't duplicate effort...

[23:05:56]

justinh:

tearing is a function of the rendering method the player uses AFAIK

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Beirdo:

heh, I'm mostly being an ass :)

[23:06:07]

gavinp:

likewise

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sphery:

justinh: and it's using a ton of CPU, too

[23:06:22]

Beirdo:

but hey, chrome supporting RTP/RTSP could be nice

[23:06:31]

justinh:

yeah I can flatten my laptop battery watching a half hour show on seesaw

[23:06:39]

Beirdo:

I'd imagine that would be a non-trivial task though

[23:06:53]

gavinp:

It would be very nice

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gavinp:

mythweb could use it for instance. http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/deta . . . 0Mstone%20OS

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gavinp:

star that bug if you want to signal it matters to you

[23:08:21]

gavinp:

(and i was unfair earlier: safari has rtsp too)

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Beirdo:

done

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justinh:

wouldn't care but all the stupid tech support people of these VoD websites ever say to me is "have you got the latest drivers.. OS... flash player?". Latest drivers, to play a video without tearing? Man, that should go across the board

[23:09:35]

justinh:

as for upgrading my OS just to play their stinking Adobe loving content... meh

[23:10:00]

justinh:

come to think.. dunno if I've actually ever tried playing flash video in *linux* on this machine yet

[23:10:15]

Beirdo:

chrome is by far my browser of choice for everything but WebShell

[23:10:34]

Beirdo:

I had issues making that behave, so I always used Firefox

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Beirdo:

but I don't need it much anymore, thankfully

[23:11:30]

gavinp:

i rotate through all of the browsers lately

[23:11:31]

gavinp:

i

[23:11:42]

gavinp:

i need to work more on my windows machine; i want to check out IE9

[23:11:48]

Beirdo:

blech

[23:12:00]

gavinp:

It's pretty good!

[23:12:24]

Beirdo:

if you say so. I'll stick with chrome, thanks

[23:13:18]

justinh:

it's still really tempting to make any site I build absolutely not work in IE

[23:13:45]

justinh:

I certainly don't waste time fixing broken stuff for it

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Beirdo:

especially not IE <= 6

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Beirdo:

they go directly in the dumpster

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sphery:

Beirdo: since you seem to be able to read beyond the enum, can you think of a reason why some MARK types are negative and some aren't? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . mtypes.h#L40

[23:14:59]

Beirdo:

sure, let me take a look

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sphery:

Jim was guessing the negatives weren't saved to the DB, but MARK_UPDATED_CUT is saved there after someone edits the cut list

[23:15:59]

Beirdo:

I'm betting that SOMEWHERE there is/was a reason for it

[23:17:28]

sphery:

yeah

[23:17:52]

Beirdo:

What the heck is with EDIT_CHECK?

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sphery:

well, -2 (MARK_PLACEHOLDER) isn't saved to the db, now

[23:18:12]

sphery:

it used to be MARK_EDIT_MODE, which looked to be something to replace recorded.editing

[23:18:25]

sphery:

which means it would have been saved to the DB, but would have been "temporary"

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Beirdo:

it needs to be able to be followed with ;

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sphery:

which kind of describes MARK_UPDATED_CUT

[23:18:58]

sphery:

where's EDIT_CHECK?

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Beirdo:

mythtv/libs/libmythtv/deletemap.cpp

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sphery:

ah, that's the macro Mark put in (for debugging, I think)

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sphery:

see line 10

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knightr:

sphery: Thanks for the message about having problems with mailman too (saw it yesterday when I came back home)

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sphery:

knightr: yeah, it seems I'm getting everything--just may not come in for a while

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knightr:

sphery: that's weird, at did not seem to be like that in the past..

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sphery:

yeah, most seem to come in on time, though

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sphery:

just seems that some come out of order

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sphery:

happened a few times the other day

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sphery:

I read replies before I read the messages to which they replied

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sphery:

was a bit confusing

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knightr:

sphery: usually... Looks like the server is overloaded, has way too much stuff to send or something... Is it monitored by something like Nagios or BB?

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knightr:

sphery: BB=Big Brother...

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knightr:

sphery: know anybody here good at reading something that kind looks like some sort of crash log? My backend is going nuts and is logging weird errors messages...

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