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| [00:00:35] | Beirdo: | and I'm SO not a lawyer :) |
| [00:00:43] | sphery: | knightr: either that or I'm a cyber stalker |
| [00:00:57] | ** Beirdo guelphs ** | |
| [00:01:15] | knightr: | kenni: that was a joke, don't be pi$$ed off at me... (-; |
| [00:01:37] | Beirdo: | 2am? the night is young... or something |
| [00:02:35] | Beirdo: | sphery: #8889 |
| [00:02:45] | knightr: | Beirdo: What do you have against liars, err, I mean lawyer (my bro is one... (-; ) |
| [00:02:52] | Beirdo: | interesting that it's 2 ubuntu boxes that are fubar, eh? |
| [00:03:01] | knightr: | sphery: Good thing your not too close from here... (-; |
| [00:03:10] | Beirdo: | nothin... as long as they are not after ME |
| [00:03:14] | sphery: | knightr: heh |
| [00:03:24] | Beirdo: | sphery is in the 11th province |
| [00:03:42] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, I saw that someone else is having the issue... Wonder if all *buntu 10.04 users do? |
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| [00:03:50] | sphery: | and wonder if anyone else does? |
| [00:03:51] | Beirdo: | he's a pseudo-Canadian... |
| [00:04:03] | sphery: | there are a lot of Canadians around here |
| [00:04:17] | sphery: | and New Yorkers and Illinoisians |
| [00:04:19] | Beirdo: | it's only September and they are already taking over? |
| [00:04:29] | sphery: | actually, not so much yet |
| [00:04:37] | Beirdo: | yeah, I think it's something eglibc-related |
| [00:04:39] | sphery: | usually around Oct or so |
| [00:04:46] | Beirdo: | now I just need to figure this crap out and fix it |
| [00:04:54] | sphery: | yeah |
| [00:05:09] | sphery: | or figure it out so eglibc team can fix it? |
| [00:05:14] | Beirdo: | the patch will do for short-term workaround |
| [00:05:21] | Beirdo: | but it's not the answer |
| [00:05:35] | Beirdo: | yeah, need to find out exactly what's doing htis |
| [00:05:38] | Beirdo: | this.. |
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| [00:06:23] | knightr: | Beirdo, sphery: Sphery, your in the US, right? |
| [00:06:43] | sphery: | Yeah, I'm in Florida |
| [00:06:52] | Beirdo: | the 11th province :) |
| [00:06:54] | knightr: | sphery: Thought I had found you but description doesn't match... http://www.mtdean.com/ |
| [00:06:56] | sphery: | we have a lot of transplants--especially during Winter |
| [00:06:58] | Beirdo: | and I'm in Seattle currently |
| [00:07:04] | sphery: | that one's not me :) |
| [00:07:09] | kenni: | knightr: Not pissed, just partly sleeping. Shutting down now, over and out :) |
| [00:07:27] | knightr: | Beirdo, sphery: Ha, now I understand the reference!!! (-; |
| [00:07:30] | Beirdo: | grew up north of Toronto... now live in the pacific northwest and love it |
| [00:07:35] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [00:07:42] | knightr: | kenni: No problem, Good night and take care! |
| [00:07:53] | Beirdo: | yeah... he's practically Canadian... especially in the winter |
| [00:08:12] | knightr: | sphery: Unless you worked at Home Despot? (-; |
| [00:08:22] | sphery: | heh, not yet |
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| [00:09:10] | knightr: | Beirdo: I hope he speaks French because there are a lot of frogs (-; there in the winter... |
| [00:09:22] | Beirdo: | ribbit |
| [00:09:25] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [00:09:46] | kormoc: | Frog legs might be French, but frog stew is uniquely southern |
| [00:10:10] | knightr: | (A frog is a way to call French Canadians...) |
| [00:10:22] | Beirdo: | One of these days, I'll make it to Ottawa to visit some family... and even dip into Quebec too. |
| [00:10:26] | knightr: | (I am a frog...) |
| [00:10:32] | Beirdo: | Gatineau is very pretty |
| [00:10:35] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [00:10:41] | Beirdo: | even Meech Lake :) |
| [00:10:48] | kormoc: | I only know western canadian style language |
| [00:11:05] | knightr: | Beirdo: Meech Lake brings back some bad memories here... |
| [00:11:13] | Beirdo: | knightr: ever been there? |
| [00:11:24] | Beirdo: | I know... Mulroney ruined it for everyone |
| [00:11:28] | Beirdo: | but the place is quite nice |
| [00:11:46] | knightr: | Beirdo: Nope, mostly visited Ontario and the Maritimes when I was a kid, haven't done it in years.. |
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| [00:12:06] | Beirdo: | Meech Lake is in Quebec, mon ami. |
| [00:12:08] | knightr: | Beirdo: Yep, that's exactly what I was alluding to...) |
| [00:12:15] | Beirdo: | not by much, but it's there |
| [00:12:24] | sphery: | I got to do some work up in Ottowa once. Week-long trip. Was beautiful. (But was also June, so worked for my Florida-thin blood.) |
| [00:12:30] | Beirdo: | about a 20min drive north west of Ottawa |
| [00:12:35] | knightr: | Beirdo: Geez, you're right... I need my coffee!!! |
| [00:12:51] | Beirdo: | but practically Ontario anyways :) |
| [00:12:54] | sphery: | I loved going for runs next to the canal and the river. |
| [00:13:11] | Beirdo: | sphery: lived there for like... 5 years? |
| [00:13:27] | knightr: | sphery: You would have like being here this summer, it was way toooooo hot.... |
| [00:13:27] | sphery: | Yeah, I don't think I'd survive a winter in Ottawa. |
| [00:13:31] | Beirdo: | love the city, hate the politics that's inherent to living in the capital |
| [00:13:56] | sphery: | Yeah, as a one-week visitor, I didn't have to worry about the politics. :) |
| [00:14:10] | Beirdo: | yeah :) |
| [00:14:35] | ** iamlindoro beers himself deservedly ** | |
| [00:14:47] | ** Beirdo beers iamlindoro deservedly ** | |
| [00:14:49] | Beirdo: | well done |
| [00:14:52] | iamlindoro: | woo hoo! |
| [00:14:54] | knightr: | I visited Quebec (the city) for a few hours and people where talking politics with us (since we're closer to Montreal...). |
| [00:15:00] | iamlindoro: | Channel scanner actually usable for Cable in NA now |
| [00:15:01] | ** sphery beers iamlindoro desperately ** | |
| [00:15:11] | sphery: | (didn't want to be left out) |
| [00:15:14] | Beirdo: | knightr: never been to Quebec City... yet |
| [00:15:23] | iamlindoro: | sphery, see that you are not. ;) |
| [00:15:40] | Beirdo: | Montreal, yes. Sherbrooke, yes... but never the oldest city in North America |
| [00:16:18] | knightr: | Beirdo: Very nice city... A lot nicer than Montreal... Life in Montreal is more interesting but Quebec city is a lot nicer looking... |
| [00:16:39] | Beirdo: | more European is what I expect |
| [00:17:01] | Beirdo: | although with lots of Quebecois politics added. Joy. |
| [00:17:58] | knightr: | Beirdo: Yep I would think so (even though the old Montreal has some of that European look) |
| [00:18:16] | Beirdo: | yup. And crazy drivers too :) |
| [00:18:34] | knightr: | Beirdo: Bah, it was only the rivality between Quebec city and Montreal at work... |
| [00:18:47] | Beirdo: | my dad got rear-ended by a city bus in Montreal... on the onramp to #40... at 115km/h |
| [00:19:00] | knightr: | Beirdo: Drivers in Quebec city are a lot worse than in Montreal (and by far..). |
| [00:19:09] | Beirdo: | apparently 15km/h over the limit wasn't fast enough |
| [00:19:20] | Beirdo: | not even on the freeway yet.. |
| [00:19:38] | knightr: | Beirdo: Buses in Montreal think their yield (?) sign gives them right to do anything... |
| [00:19:43] | Beirdo: | knightr: ahh, that kinda politics is much easier to deal with |
| [00:19:54] | Beirdo: | yeah... |
| [00:20:36] | knightr: | Beirdo: I once had a bus that almost forced us to collider with a building... |
| [00:20:55] | Beirdo: | idiotic, isn't it? |
| [00:20:57] | knightr: | collide, not collider... |
| [00:21:15] | Beirdo: | hehe, I read through the French-English filter, no worries |
| [00:21:26] | knightr: | Beirdo: And for what, to only arrive a few minutes earlier... |
| [00:21:42] | Beirdo: | at one point earlier in my life, I could understand French very very well |
| [00:21:56] | knightr: | Beirdo: Et maintenant? |
| [00:22:10] | knightr: | Beirdo: (And now?) |
| [00:22:16] | Beirdo: | as in, we were in Quebec, and a friend would try to speak English, switch to French and back to English, and I'd barely notice |
| [00:22:19] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:22:29] | Beirdo: | way outta practise, unfortunately |
| [00:22:38] | kisak: | so the suggestion to help fix that mythtranscode deadlock problem doesn't appear to be improving my success rate |
| [00:22:44] | iamlindoro: | That's alright, the Quebecois can't understand french either |
| [00:22:45] | Beirdo: | my dad must be... disappointed. |
| [00:22:45] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [00:23:00] | Beirdo: | he's a retired French teacher in Ontario |
| [00:23:11] | knightr: | Beirdo: I try to speak with one of my colleagues in English as frequently as I can |
| [00:23:36] | Beirdo: | I had a coworker (Francois, big surprise) in Ottawa that hates the French (in Paris) |
| [00:23:59] | Beirdo: | they treated Quebecois worse than English speakers... so he switched to English |
| [00:24:03] | knightr: | Beirdo: He's Italian but he speaks English as if it was his mother tongue... |
| [00:24:44] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [00:24:55] | knightr: | Beirdo: Never too late to practise, you can't really lose these things... |
| [00:25:10] | Beirdo: | but I'm in Seattle now... and letting my brain settle into being unilingual after far too much Spanish |
| [00:25:26] | Beirdo: | I'll pump more French back in later |
| [00:25:43] | knightr: | iamlindoro: So that's why I have problems commication with the other French translators.. I never figured out why... |
| [00:25:52] | iamlindoro: | knightr, heh |
| [00:25:53] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:26:02] | knightr: | oops, practice not practise... |
| [00:26:08] | Beirdo: | fr_ca is definitely not the same as fr_fr |
| [00:26:12] | iamlindoro: | My grandfather used to smack my mother in the face when she would use any Canadian French colloquialism |
| [00:26:22] | Beirdo: | eek! |
| [00:26:43] | Beirdo: | oh, and fr_ch is different again |
| [00:26:48] | knightr: | Beirdo: Weird coworker... |
| [00:27:01] | Beirdo: | yeah. Francois was cool though. |
| [00:27:22] | Beirdo: | he used to bitch at me that I typed too loudly :) |
| [00:27:39] | Beirdo: | so I got an IBM clicky keyboard |
| [00:28:14] | knightr: | Beirdo: It's mostly the idioms that differ (that and the fact that the French borrow more words from English than we do here in Canada). |
| [00:28:22] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [00:28:34] | Beirdo: | like "le weekend" instead of "le fin de semaine" |
| [00:28:37] | Beirdo: | IIRC |
| [00:28:53] | knightr: | iamlindoro: Don't tell me you're from Canada too? |
| [00:28:57] | iamlindoro: | God no |
| [00:29:14] | Beirdo: | in Switzerland, 80 is said differently |
| [00:29:21] | Beirdo: | and 90 |
| [00:29:28] | iamlindoro: | s/differently/wrongly/ |
| [00:29:36] | Beirdo: | different dialect :) |
| [00:29:44] | knightr: | Beirdo: Yep, that's one of them... (but people say it here too but less than fin de semaine...) |
| [00:29:46] | iamlindoro: | knightr, I am from the US-- but my mother is native French, and I grew up there |
| [00:30:07] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: nice :) |
| [00:30:25] | ** Beirdo pours iamlindoro a nice glass of wine and takes away his beer ** | |
| [00:30:28] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:30:38] | iamlindoro: | Oh that beer is long gone |
| [00:30:46] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:31:02] | iamlindoro: | But I deserve the wine for the backport I'm test compiling |
| [00:31:05] | knightr: | Beirdo: But they will say tuner when we say syntonisateur, Go shopping when we do magasinage (a shop is a magasin), etc... |
| [00:31:19] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [00:31:23] | knightr: | iamlindoro: You reply as if that was an insult... (-; |
| [00:31:39] | ** iamlindoro sits quietly in knightr's tabernac ** | |
| [00:31:39] | Beirdo: | and what was the other one... software vs logiciel or something? |
| [00:31:51] | iamlindoro: | logiciel is french ;) |
| [00:32:37] | knightr: | iamlindoro: Yep, I knew that you were from the US (at least currently) but I had a feeling you could read French (from some of your replies when you commited...) |
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| [00:32:56] | iamlindoro: | read and speak, god help me |
| [00:33:13] | Beirdo: | dang. I need to refresh my frog-talk :) |
| [00:33:40] | knightr: | iamlindoro: Yep... (that means software...) |
| [00:34:20] | Beirdo: | my point was, I seem to remember my dad complaining that different places used different words for that in particular |
| [00:34:25] | knightr: | iamlindoro: I could not say if you speak it but I had a feeling you could read it... |
| [00:34:36] | Beirdo: | like program vs programme in English |
| [00:35:23] | knightr: | iamlindoro: I can see why, looks like the words you remember the most fondly are insults (taber...) (-; |
| [00:35:47] | iamlindoro: | hah-- I can honestly say I have never used canadian french out loud |
| [00:35:59] | Beirdo: | I *just* barely stopped using merde... and switched to Spanish... mierda |
| [00:36:23] | knightr: | Beirdo: Yep but most of the words are the same, the biggest problem is the accent... |
| [00:36:27] | Beirdo: | !trout Beirdo language, although foreign |
| [00:36:27] | ** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a language, although foreign trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [00:36:44] | kormoc: | Beirdo, LIES! Zee != Zed |
| [00:37:06] | Beirdo: | kormoc: yeah... Zee is US only. |
| [00:37:11] | Beirdo: | English is Zed :) |
| [00:37:17] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:37:24] | johnf1911: | Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead |
| [00:37:28] | Beirdo: | no clue as to why |
| [00:37:31] | kormoc: | LIES! American created English! Those blimy brits stole it from us! |
| [00:37:36] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [00:38:00] | kormoc: | and with that bombshell, I bid everyone a good night |
| [00:38:04] | Beirdo: | I thought it was invented in the Middle East before Christ... |
| [00:38:09] | knightr: | Beirdo: I once had an English (as in from the UK) teacher give us an English course at work (an advanced course)... A lot of the people in that course had a hard time understanding the teacher because of her accent... I |
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| [00:38:37] | Beirdo: | as the rednecks say "if English was good enough for Jesus/Paul/whoever, it's good enough for me" |
| [00:38:40] | Beirdo: | idiots |
| [00:39:14] | knightr: | Beirdo: (Didn't have much problem with that since I watched quite a few shows from there... Red Dwarf, Doctor Who, etc...). The problem is the same with the French from France & Canada... |
| [00:39:23] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [00:39:36] | knightr: | Beirdo: I tend to say s#it... |
| [00:40:26] | knightr: | Careful guys, Canadian English is also different from GB and US English... |
| [00:40:46] | kisak: | eh? |
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| [00:40:52] | Beirdo: | Canadian English is mostly a mixture of the two |
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| [00:40:59] | Beirdo: | except in Newfoundland |
| [00:41:04] | Beirdo: | they're special :) |
| [00:41:12] | knightr: | Beirdo: Yep... |
| [00:41:14] | knightr: | http://www3.telus.net/linguisticsissues/Briti . . . American.htm |
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| [00:41:30] | Beirdo: | oooh, smell us.net |
| [00:41:31] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [00:41:55] | knightr: | Do you know how I recognize British English? It usually has a spelling closer to French... |
| [00:42:05] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [00:42:16] | Beirdo: | you mean the correct spelling with more u's |
| [00:42:17] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [00:42:55] | knightr: | Beirdo: or S instead of Z, etc... |
| [00:43:09] | knightr: | Beirdo: customise/customize, etc... |
| [00:43:11] | Beirdo: | -re instead of -er |
| [00:43:14] | dewman: | I didnt realize there was so many ways to spell diarrhea... |
| [00:43:15] | Beirdo: | I use both :) |
| [00:43:41] | Beirdo: | the ****s |
| [00:43:43] | knightr: | Beirdo: Yep, center and centre (same spelling as in French as I said...) |
| [00:43:56] | Beirdo: | which is handy in Canada |
| [00:44:04] | knightr: | Geez, the subject is getting very s#itty... |
| [00:44:05] | Beirdo: | only need one sign that way |
| [00:44:44] | Beirdo: | unfortunately... Rideau Centre vs. Centre Rideau |
| [00:44:45] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:44:54] | Beirdo: | we can never get on the same page |
| [00:45:02] | Beirdo: | nice mall, BTW |
| [00:45:29] | knightr: | Beirdo, spery: Now you can understand the fun I am having with the English US translation... I found quite a few words with the British spelling... |
| [00:45:57] | knightr: | Beirdo: The trick is usually to say it backwards... (-; |
| [00:46:16] | Beirdo: | knightr: how true |
| [00:46:29] | Beirdo: | in French, everything's backwards... (not really) :) |
| [00:46:43] | iamlindoro: | vrais pas |
| [00:46:48] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [00:46:51] | dewman: | how long does it generally take for the changesets to come down to us common folk? |
| [00:46:53] | knightr: | Beirdo: What I am having the most trouble with is j and g... Why did they have to invert the pronounciation of both letters??? |
| [00:47:02] | iamlindoro: | dewman, I don't understand the question |
| [00:47:15] | Beirdo: | knightr: now try Spanish :) |
| [00:47:21] | iamlindoro: | dewman, As long as it takes you to svn up and compile them, I guess? Or possibly, for your packager to get them |
| [00:47:39] | iamlindoro: | dewman, Which one did you have in mind, and where do you get your myth from? |
| [00:47:45] | knightr: | iamlindoro: not always, you are right... |
| [00:48:05] | iamlindoro: | right I am, yess, mmmm |
| [00:48:08] | dewman: | iamlindoro, well I want to know how long it will take for the scanner to get pushed to mythbuntu.... So I guess it comes down to the folks that maintain mythbuntu |
| [00:48:09] | iamlindoro: | </yoda> |
| [00:48:30] | Beirdo: | tgm4883: ^^ |
| [00:48:33] | iamlindoro: | dewman, I just backported the fixes to .23 a few minutes ago, so they will go into their .23 fixes builds tomorrow |
| [00:49:05] | dewman: | woohoo! |
| [00:49:06] | knightr: | Beirdo: Sorry, about the only word I know in Spanish is desconocido... I know a few insults in Italian though... (useful with my Italian colleague...)... (-; |
| [00:49:11] | iamlindoro: | So if you are signed up for their autobuilds, you'd get it then |
| [00:49:25] | dewman: | sure am.... |
| [00:49:29] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:49:37] | Beirdo: | no habla espanol |
| [00:49:42] | tgm4883: | yep, tomorrow |
| [00:49:51] | tgm4883: | as todays just built like an hour ago |
| [00:50:03] | Beirdo: | why the heck the Spanish decided h should be silent... I have no idea |
| [00:50:07] | wagnerrp: | puerto rico for several years, and no spanish? |
| [00:50:15] | Beirdo: | just don't USE the stupid letter then |
| [00:50:21] | Beirdo: | I don't speak it |
| [00:50:25] | knightr: | Beirdo: Yeah, and that too... Though apparantly they say grippa for grippe (flu I believe in English?) |
| [00:50:26] | Beirdo: | I do understand it |
| [00:50:30] | Beirdo: | a fair amount |
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| [00:50:58] | Beirdo: | flu, yup... from influenza... which is from Spanish, no? .:) |
| [00:51:47] | knightr: | Beirdo: My postal code has both letters, how am I suppose to give my address to somebody in English if I get them wrong... I'm beginning to think I should learn the codes ham use... |
| [00:51:52] | Beirdo: | so yeah.. j sounds like h... usually. h is silent... g sounds like either a g or a j or an h |
| [00:52:02] | knightr: | Beirdo: Yep, you are right... |
| [00:52:19] | knightr: | Beirdo: Wish I did though... |
| [00:52:23] | Beirdo: | ll is more like a y... y sounds like a j |
| [00:52:35] | Beirdo: | silly spaniards |
| [00:52:50] | Beirdo: | oh, and in Spain... z sounds more like a th |
| [00:53:05] | Beirdo: | but not in Latin America |
| [00:53:06] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:53:51] | knightr: | Beirdo: I had a colleague who spoke Spanish and he told me that even there there are a few dialects... |
| [00:54:18] | Beirdo: | yeah, you can tell the difference between Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic and Mexico, etc. |
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| [00:54:35] | Beirdo: | and PR and DR are adjacent islands for goodness sakes |
| [00:54:37] | knightr: | Beirdo: Same thing for Italian... My Italian colleague could talk to his father in an Italian his wife (also Italian) would not understand (not the same region...) |
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| [00:55:22] | knightr: | Let's all switch to Esperanto... (-; |
| [00:55:32] | Beirdo: | Nah. English |
| [00:55:56] | Beirdo: | or the USA will kick yer butts.. |
| [00:55:57] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:56:14] | knightr: | Beirdo: Nah, way to many variants... Let's switch to tlh (iso-639 code...) |
| [00:56:27] | Beirdo: | Klingon |
| [00:56:30] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [00:57:04] | knightr: | Beirdo: Geez looks like you know the table by heart... |
| [00:57:55] | knightr: | Beirdo: Apparently even Klingon has some dialects (cause by a poor translation of the book about it apparently!!!) (-; |
| [00:58:21] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:58:30] | Beirdo: | let's use Romulan |
| [00:59:10] | knightr: | BeirdoL Know who was the first Romulan we ever saw on tv? |
| [00:59:32] | Beirdo: | not off hand |
| [00:59:48] | knightr: | Beirdo: I believe it was Mark Lenard... |
| [01:00:19] | knightr: | Beirdo: (Testing your Star Trek knowledge here... (-; ) |
| [01:00:20] | iamlindoro: | knightr, Well, not surprising since he played every romulan seen on Tv after that, too |
| [01:00:28] | iamlindoro: | And every vulcan |
| [01:00:59] | knightr: | iamlindoro: Hmmm, I thought he played only Sarek... |
| [01:01:20] | iamlindoro: | Well, I may be using a tiny bit of hyperbole |
| [01:01:46] | knightr: | iamlindoro: Though he did play an alien in Buck Rogers too... (-; |
| [01:02:08] | knightr: | Beirdo: Are you still alive? |
| [01:02:16] | Beirdo: | only barely |
| [01:02:17] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:02:49] | knightr: | Beirdo: Beer is not a complete food... |
| [01:03:00] | iamlindoro: | It is if it's Guinness |
| [01:03:19] | Beirdo: | mmmm, guinness |
| [01:03:47] | knightr: | iamlindoro: Sure thing, you can't even see what in there so anything could be in there... (-; |
| [01:04:00] | iamlindoro: | Everyone likes to chew their beer |
| [01:04:18] | knightr: | iamlindoro: ROTFL... |
| [01:05:18] | Beirdo: | I could use a La Fin du Monde though |
| [01:05:36] | iamlindoro: | EAsy buddy, you've got so much to live for |
| [01:05:41] | Beirdo: | yummy Quebecois beer... |
| [01:05:48] | Beirdo: | 9% alcohol or so |
| [01:06:02] | knightr: | Beirdo: I really liked l'Ephemere... Wonder if it still exist (only available during part of the year...) |
| [01:06:25] | Beirdo: | I think I tried Maudite too before |
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| [01:07:22] | knightr: | Just verified, it is indeed 9%... |
| [01:07:36] | Beirdo: | chug! |
| [01:07:38] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:09:13] | knightr: | We once offered to a colleague that was leaving a big Chouffe, that bottle was impressive... http://www.achouffe.be/en/nos-bieres/nos-produits/ |
| [01:09:33] | Beirdo: | haha |
| [01:09:39] | Beirdo: | /en/all-in-french |
| [01:10:38] | knightr: | Beirdo: The name of the pages is in French but the content is in English... I guess they wanted to make the names uniform throughout the site... |
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| [01:10:41] | Beirdo: | wonder if I can get that here |
| [01:10:44] | Beirdo: | I know :) |
| [01:10:52] | Beirdo: | I just found it funny |
| [01:11:04] | knightr: | Beirdo: It's an 8% alcohol beer... |
| [01:11:09] | Beirdo: | yum |
| [01:11:23] | Beirdo: | Belgian blonde... |
| [01:11:31] | Beirdo: | pretty sure I'd like that |
| [01:11:36] | slickrick: | does anyone know why mythmusic 0.23 no longer shows album artwork? my settings are all correct but the album art work blips onto the screen for a split second now when changing songs. |
| [01:11:38] | knightr: | Beirdo: For your sake I hope not... (-; That's thing is as dangerous as holding your wee for a wii... |
| [01:12:14] | Beirdo: | how so? |
| [01:12:28] | Beirdo: | I'm used to beer that's not the usual... dishwater |
| [01:12:58] | Beirdo: | I made an IPA that was around 9% when I lived in Ottawa :) |
| [01:13:00] | knightr: | Beirdo: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16614865/ |
| [01:13:31] | knightr: | Beirdo: http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/10/30/%E2%80%9 . . . -recompense/ |
| [01:13:46] | knightr: | Beirdo: That was only water... |
| [01:14:37] | knightr: | Beirdo: Just imagine doing the same with beer... |
| [01:14:45] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [01:15:27] | Beirdo: | my alcohol tolerance ain't what it use to be thankfully... but in the day... I've consumed plenty |
| [01:15:45] | Beirdo: | my liver thanks me for giving it a break |
| [01:16:38] | knightr: | Beirdo: Mine tells me to take as little as possible unfortunatly (I have a fat liver... Apparently it's pretty common but now I know about it...) |
| [01:17:14] | knightr: | (Medical term for this is steathosis I believe...) |
| [01:17:18] | Beirdo: | kill it with beer |
| [01:17:23] | Beirdo: | screw that. vodka |
| [01:17:43] | Beirdo: | which reminds me.. I need to buy some vodka for my freezer |
| [01:18:09] | knightr: | Beirdo: Still need it unfortunately... Good thing with the liver is apparently if you take good care of it the problem can correct itself... |
| [01:20:15] | knightr: | Beirdo: I'll have to go eat something, I'm beginning to get an headache (sometime happens when I skip a meal...) |
| [01:20:47] | knightr: | oops, sometimes not sometime... (I hate it when I make typos...) |
| [01:20:51] | Beirdo: | happens to me when I need more coffee |
| [01:21:27] | knightr: | Beirdo: Yeah and that too... |
| [01:22:27] | knightr: | Beirdo (and iamlindoro if you are still here): It was very nice chatting with you, TTYL... |
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| [01:22:46] | Beirdo: | Ciao :) |
| [01:22:55] | Beirdo: | au revoir even :) |
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| [01:23:45] | knightr: | Beirdo: Take care! |
| [01:24:55] | knightr: | I am staying connected but in away mode... I'll probably come back later... |
| [01:26:24] | slickrick: | dang ... no one has any idea why the album artwork just blips by? |
| [01:26:38] | slickrick: | s'justl ike this poor sob... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1445694 |
| [01:27:08] | Beirdo: | I don't currently use mythmusic, so i can't really comment |
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| [01:27:45] | slickrick: | i wonder why mythmusic has fallen by the way side. |
| [01:27:58] | slickrick: | one of my favorite things in myth is mythmusic, but i feel like i'm the only one using it. |
| [01:29:46] | Beirdo: | it has, mostly, but I think it has recently been picked back up, but the changes aren't ready yet |
| [01:29:50] | Beirdo: | something like that |
| [01:30:15] | slickrick: | really? that's exciting if some work gets put into it. |
| [01:30:47] | slickrick: | for me anyways. use it all the time and friends love thumbing through my massive music collection using the dinovo keyboard from the sofa. |
| [01:31:10] | slickrick: | nothing else works as well for sofa surfing your music collection. |
| [01:32:36] | slickrick: | okay. last question. where is the halty command set in the frontend? after upgrading to 0.23 it doesn't seem to run my halt command when i select 'exit and shutdown' from the menu. |
| [01:32:57] | slickrick: | i see the entry in the db for the frontend but can't find it in the ui. |
| [01:33:11] | Beirdo: | dunno. :) |
| [01:33:17] | slickrick: | dang again. |
| [01:33:28] | Beirdo: | someone else might though |
| [01:33:36] | Beirdo: | probably the General Settings? |
| [01:34:37] | slickrick: | nah, dug all through there. under shutdown/reboot settings there only seems to be one option which is to customise the exit menu options. |
| [01:35:12] | slickrick: | i'll come back on and ask again.... i've been trying to figure out these two issues for days. |
| [01:36:16] | spazor: | what exactly is mythshutdown? who and when is it called? |
| [01:37:06] | spazor: | "mythshutdown -h" wasn't all that informative |
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| [01:37:34] | slickrick: | spazor: i think its used to control the start up and shutdown of frontends and backends. i think it's called by mythfrontend itself. |
| [01:38:33] | spazor: | slickrick: google seems to think it has something to do with mythwelcome |
| [01:41:04] | slickrick: | it also says it's used by mythbackend ... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythwelcome#MythShutdown_program |
| [01:41:23] | spazor: | slickrick: Somehow I doubt frontends would be shutting down mythbackend. That's like committing suicide by accident |
| [01:41:51] | slickrick: | spazor: you're probably right. i'll take half a point on my previous answer. |
| [01:43:39] | spazor: | I read that page you'd linked a bit earlier, but it's still not clear, to say the list |
| [01:43:45] | spazor: | least* |
| [01:44:39] | spazor: | I'm wondering if mythshutdown is some sort of handler whenever mythbackend is about to exit |
| [01:45:49] | spazor: | so a user can inject and do whatever before mythbackend (the process) is shut down |
| [01:50:44] | Beirdo: | time for me to head home |
| [01:50:51] | Beirdo: | and debug. bleh :) |
| [01:53:58] | slickrick: | cya Beirdo. |
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| [03:18:58] | Gibby: | Would this work on a frontend? http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?p . . . EyqCl0L61cQ# |
| [03:19:49] | slickrick: | Gibby: only if the reciever is useable by lircd. |
| [03:20:01] | slickrick: | otherwise you could use the remote with some other reciever like commandir. |
| [03:20:20] | Gibby: | slickrick, that is what i thought, haven't gotten into lircd yet.... but thought that was a good price |
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| [03:20:49] | slickrick: | i only use the commandir devices now for a reciever. they are expensive, but also the best. |
| [03:21:00] | [R]: | Gibby: with like 10 buttons... what do you expect |
| [03:21:52] | Gibby: | well it has a tad more than 10 buttons but honestly how many buttons do my wife and son really need to use |
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| [03:23:34] | mnjay: | I'm getting a lot of "AFD Error: Unknown audio decoding error". Any ideas about what I can do? |
| [03:24:00] | [R]: | mnjay: where |
| [03:24:08] | slickrick: | Gibby: you don't need many. i use a logitech harmony but don't really use much on it. |
| [03:24:49] | mnjay: | mythfrontend.log |
| [03:24:59] | [R]: | mnjay: is your frontend not working? |
| [03:25:16] | mnjay: | no, it's working but I'm having occassional audio glitches |
| [03:25:29] | mnjay: | the AFD error goes along with the glitches |
| [03:25:29] | [R]: | whats your source |
| [03:26:20] | mnjay: | HVR-1600 |
| [03:26:43] | [R]: | i said whats your sourcd... not whats your device |
| [03:26:43] | mnjay: | this is an HD feed, it doesn't seem to happen with SD |
| [03:26:50] | [R]: | what kind of an "hd feed" |
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| [03:28:27] | mnjay: | I guess I don't understand the question, do you mean ClearQAM? |
| [03:29:09] | [R]: | then theres a problem with the mpeg stream |
| [03:29:40] | mnjay: | it happens on every HD channel though |
| [03:29:45] | [R]: | does it work outside of myth |
| [03:29:47] | [R]: | like with mplayer |
| [03:30:16] | mnjay: | I haven't tried tuning with mplayer, I'm happy that I was able to get myth working, mostly |
| [03:30:27] | [R]: | myth records to mpg on your filesystem |
| [03:31:03] | mnjay: | so record and then play back using mplayer? |
| [03:31:24] | [R]: | what an idea! |
| [03:32:11] | mnjay: | hey, give me a break, this isn't exactly easy |
| [03:32:26] | wagnerrp: | hes just asking you to test the file with an external player, mythtv doesnt actually support external players for recordings |
| [03:32:55] | wagnerrp: | if the file works on an external program, its a mythtv problem |
| [03:33:07] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, its probably some funky broadcast from your cableco |
| [03:33:23] | wagnerrp: | or perhaps some driver or hardware issue |
| [03:53:01] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [03:53:23] | [R]: | Beirdo: did you look at the mythweb locku pwith upnp? |
| [03:53:45] | Beirdo: | not yet. just got home a bit ago, why? |
| [03:53:51] | [R]: | oh, just wondering |
| [03:53:56] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:54:26] | [R]: | i need to figure out how the upnp streams files |
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| [04:02:20] | slickrick: | gonna ask my question abut mythmusic again in case anyone knows. so here goes ... |
| [04:02:21] | slickrick: | my album work displays for a half a second with visualizations enabled. this is with 0.23. |
| [04:02:34] | slickrick: | i know my settings are correct and worked before i upgraded to 0.23. |
| [04:02:52] | slickrick: | this is in mythmusic obviously ... |
| [04:03:04] | spazor: | Gibby: not bad for $5 |
| [04:03:23] | slickrick: | i should say a split second, not a half second. just blips on the screen. really miss having artwork displayed. |
| [04:04:00] | spazor: | Gibby: I say try it. might work with xevent |
| [04:04:38] | Gibby: | spazor, i just might, however i am out of Hard Drive space, trying to figure out how/what I want to use to build a storage server |
| [04:04:57] | spazor: | Gibby: and there's no reason to use lircd if it works with xevent |
| [04:05:45] | spazor: | Gibby: use any old machine |
| [04:05:51] | totalanni: | hum |
| [04:06:09] | totalanni: | anyone got any hauppauge 1950s for sale :-D |
| [04:06:55] | Gibby: | well i would like it to be rack mount but you only get about 4 bays for $500, probably just going to build a tower with like 6 bay min and a few giga ports and put freenas on it |
| [04:07:27] | totalanni: | Gibby |
| [04:07:35] | totalanni: | you talkin bout a case? |
| [04:07:55] | wagnerrp: | Gibby: four... drive bays for $500? |
| [04:07:59] | totalanni: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 33-_-Product |
| [04:08:04] | totalanni: | ^ftw |
| [04:08:10] | wagnerrp: | what kind of ridiculously overpriced stuff are you buying? |
| [04:08:14] | Gibby: | yeah, my backend hardware actually doesn't support sata and it doesn't support it with a pci card either .... |
| [04:08:15] | totalanni: | hi wagnerrp |
| [04:08:24] | totalanni: | lol |
| [04:08:29] | wagnerrp: | evening |
| [04:09:28] | Gibby: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;srchInDesc= |
| [04:09:50] | totalanni: | man |
| [04:09:55] | totalanni: | ditch the prebuilt nas |
| [04:09:58] | totalanni: | and build your own |
| [04:10:01] | totalanni: | with openfiler |
| [04:10:02] | Gibby: | now why they heck didn't that come up in my new egg search |
| [04:10:28] | totalanni: | so much cheaper |
| [04:10:32] | slickrick: | Gibby: i bought a really awesome case that 12 bays or less than that. |
| [04:10:49] | wagnerrp: | Gibby: you know, that thing isnt actually a storage server |
| [04:10:53] | Gibby: | totalanni: i am need something with the total hardware, cpu/mem/nic ect... |
| [04:11:04] | totalanni: | build your own |
| [04:11:07] | totalanni: | once again i say |
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| [04:11:09] | Gibby: | wagnerrp, i see that |
| [04:11:12] | wagnerrp: | its an eSATA-attached external RAID box |
| [04:11:12] | totalanni: | u can get |
| [04:11:17] | totalanni: | nm |
| [04:11:22] | totalanni: | :-D |
| [04:11:26] | totalanni: | tbh |
| [04:11:30] | Gibby: | my backend does not support esata or sata..... :/ |
| [04:11:37] | wagnerrp: | although an excessively expensive one at that |
| [04:11:50] | wagnerrp: | Gibby: so upgrade |
| [04:11:52] | totalanni: | ^ |
| [04:12:11] | totalanni: | my server is a HP AMD II x2 220 with 5gb ram |
| [04:12:21] | totalanni: | bought for like $400 at walmart |
| [04:12:26] | wagnerrp: | 5GB? |
| [04:12:34] | totalanni: | isnt that weird? |
| [04:12:34] | Gibby: | .... that is there only downside, they are work horses pretty much... bought 4 of them for $400 :) |
| [04:12:42] | totalanni: | it came with 2x 2gb and 1x 1gb stick |
| [04:12:46] | totalanni: | 3 sticks on a 4 slot |
| [04:12:49] | ** totalanni shrugs ** | |
| [04:12:52] | wagnerrp: | Gibby: what are they, specifically? |
| [04:13:03] | slickrick: | Gibby: here's what i use for my mythbackend ... has 8 2TB drives in a RAID6 (mdadm): http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=27944&v . . . re=Compucase |
| [04:13:15] | Gibby: | rackable systems, forget the actual model, they have se7501wv2 intel boards in them |
| [04:13:15] | wagnerrp: | totalanni: thats retarded, just remove the extra gb |
| [04:13:21] | wagnerrp: | youll get noticeably better performance |
| [04:13:25] | wagnerrp: | Gibby: what processor? |
| [04:13:41] | totalanni: | wagnerrp: its on my esxi box |
| [04:13:48] | totalanni: | i was just under the impression that > is better |
| [04:14:06] | wagnerrp: | youre running that close to the limit with all your VMs? |
| [04:14:13] | totalanni: | not even |
| [04:14:15] | wagnerrp: | single channel is better than swapping |
| [04:14:23] | totalanni: | well |
| [04:14:25] | wagnerrp: | but dual channel is better than single, if youre not swapping |
| [04:14:27] | totalanni: | im close to 3 |
| [04:14:33] | Gibby: | dual xeon 2.66, 4 threads total |
| [04:14:33] | totalanni: | no swapping |
| [04:14:38] | totalanni: | not that iv seen yet |
| [04:14:43] | totalanni: | my performace says zero |
| [04:14:59] | Gibby: | uhoh, it is headless too, just did an upgrade and reboot, still not up yet after 5 minutes,,,, |
| [04:15:15] | totalanni: | sounds like time for an upgrade |
| [04:15:32] | totalanni: | soon as gigabyte patches in vt-d into my board |
| [04:15:39] | wagnerrp: | Gibby: you can pick up an Phenom X6 for $200 that will trounce all four of those systems combined |
| [04:15:39] | Gibby: | well, i am having OS issues on it |
| [04:15:42] | totalanni: | im so swapping computer/server |
| [04:15:59] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [04:16:05] | totalanni: | lol |
| [04:16:18] | Beirdo: | I think I may see why the upnp/mythweb/other upnp is borked |
| [04:16:19] | totalanni: | wagnerrp: 200 for total pc solution? |
| [04:16:22] | Gibby: | for the whole bundle or just proc? |
| [04:16:26] | totalanni: | or just board/proc/mem |
| [04:16:35] | totalanni: | cause |
| [04:16:39] | totalanni: | $200 for that is a steal |
| [04:16:52] | wagnerrp: | totalanni: toss in another $150 for board and 4GB of memory |
| [04:17:00] | totalanni: | meh |
| [04:17:06] | totalanni: | then another $50 for ps |
| [04:17:19] | totalanni: | build it on antistatic bags |
| [04:17:26] | totalanni: | til u throw another $50 for a case |
| [04:17:28] | totalanni: | :-D |
| [04:17:34] | [R]: | Beirdo: excellent... |
| [04:17:40] | wagnerrp: | but youre running a single 125W CPU, and a single motherboard |
| [04:17:55] | wagnerrp: | rather than four boards and 8 95W CPUs |
| [04:17:57] | Gibby: | i have no reason to replace the ones i have, they are no where near being maxed out....just no SATA connections, they are all in my rack and I have an old desktop as my storage server now but it is out of sata ports and they are use fiber connections since they are in the rack |
| [04:18:20] | wagnerrp: | if he is actually running those machines 24/7, hell make up the cost in power savings in half a year |
| [04:18:24] | totalanni: | yea |
| [04:18:31] | Gibby: | only 2 are on all the time, the other 2 are test servers |
| [04:18:31] | totalanni: | meh |
| [04:18:34] | totalanni: | they dont even have pci |
| [04:18:42] | Gibby: | they have 2 pci slots |
| [04:18:51] | totalanni: | so why is sata not an option? |
| [04:18:51] | ** Beirdo considers precisely how to fix this ** | |
| [04:19:21] | [R]: | Beirdo: its a deadlock i assume? |
| [04:19:30] | Gibby: | b/c INTEL decided to make it so it will communicate with only 1 sata card... that is about $549 on amazon |
| [04:19:40] | totalanni: | lol |
| [04:19:45] | totalanni: | i feel u |
| [04:19:49] | Beirdo: | it seems to be a locking issue |
| [04:19:50] | totalanni: | i want a $400 sas card myself |
| [04:20:08] | [R]: | Beirdo: can you duplicate it? |
| [04:20:08] | totalanni: | instead |
| [04:20:12] | wagnerrp: | $400 is quite a bit for a controller card |
| [04:20:15] | Gibby: | i got one here and put it in the server, the server sees it, but can't see the drives connected to it, tested it in my desktop and it all works, same OS |
| [04:20:19] | Beirdo: | first, let me try to see it break |
| [04:20:28] | Gibby: | no kidding since i only paid $400 for all 4 servers |
| [04:20:28] | totalanni: | wagnerrp: 4 port sas...hardware raid... |
| [04:20:39] | totalanni: | to go with that 20 hotswap norco case ;) |
| [04:20:51] | totalanni: | and an esxi server |
| [04:20:51] | wagnerrp: | $400 is quite a bit for a SAS RAID card |
| [04:21:20] | slickrick: | wagnerrp: really? just looked at lsi's and that doesn't seem too bad. |
| [04:21:24] | totalanni: | yup |
| [04:21:31] | totalanni: | cheapest one on ebay atm is $400 |
| [04:21:34] | totalanni: | for a 16port |
| [04:21:43] | wagnerrp: | you said 4-port |
| [04:21:53] | totalanni: | 4 port sas |
| [04:21:57] | totalanni: | = 16 port sata |
| [04:22:01] | totalanni: | O_o |
| [04:22:02] | Gibby: | so you are saying i should just build a new backend with tons of storage? |
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| [04:22:03] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [04:22:06] | totalanni: | yes |
| [04:22:18] | totalanni: | each sas runs 4 sata II |
| [04:22:21] | wagnerrp: | 4-port SAS = 4-port SATA |
| [04:22:23] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [04:22:56] | totalanni: | http://www.lsi.com/storage_home/products_home . . . e/index.html |
| [04:23:02] | totalanni: | ^read that wagnerrp |
| [04:23:10] | wagnerrp: | one SFF-8087 port will carry 4 SAS or SATA connections |
| [04:23:23] | wagnerrp: | but an SAS port is just a single drive |
| [04:23:30] | totalanni: | ah |
| [04:23:32] | totalanni: | ok |
| [04:23:35] | totalanni: | that sounds corret then |
| [04:23:38] | totalanni: | sorry |
| [04:23:38] | wagnerrp: | an SAS port looks like a SATA power and data bonded together |
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| [04:23:43] | slickrick: | is that the one you saw on ebay for $400? |
| [04:23:43] | Beirdo: | crap |
| [04:23:50] | totalanni: | yea |
| [04:23:54] | Beirdo: | I can't get this thing to fail |
| [04:23:56] | slickrick: | that card is like over $800 brand new. |
| [04:23:57] | Gibby: | you guys are making my head hurt |
| [04:23:58] | slickrick: | geebus. |
| [04:24:05] | totalanni: | ea |
| [04:24:07] | totalanni: | yea |
| [04:24:10] | totalanni: | nice thou |
| [04:24:13] | slickrick: | i looked at that one. |
| [04:24:14] | totalanni: | esxi compat |
| [04:24:17] | slickrick: | i went for a much cheaper lsi. |
| [04:24:24] | slickrick: | tho i don't have have a norco. |
| [04:24:24] | totalanni: | yea |
| [04:24:38] | slickrick: | is it all for myth? |
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| [04:24:55] | totalanni: | ? |
| [04:24:58] | totalanni: | me? |
| [04:25:07] | slickrick: | yeah sorry, you totalanni. |
| [04:25:09] | totalanni: | i dont have that card, nor the norco |
| [04:25:13] | totalanni: | that is just a pipe dream |
| [04:25:18] | totalanni: | for my esxi server |
| [04:25:21] | slickrick: | ah. |
| [04:25:24] | Gibby: | i am going to fix my backend then go bed, later |
| [04:25:31] | totalanni: | but get that controller |
| [04:25:32] | slickrick: | i run a dual port 3ware card in my esx whitebox. |
| [04:25:34] | [R]: | Beirdo: try djmount |
| [04:25:40] | totalanni: | and 16 of these |
| [04:25:41] | slickrick: | even those are like $350. |
| [04:25:41] | totalanni: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227515 |
| [04:25:49] | Beirdo: | no thanks |
| [04:25:49] | Gibby is now known as Gibby_away | |
| [04:25:53] | [R]: | Beirdo: lol |
| [04:25:54] | totalanni: | lol |
| [04:26:05] | wagnerrp: | you mean 8-port? i didnt think 3ware made dual port cards |
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| [04:26:17] | Beirdo: | I'm streaming to my TV with UPnP and mythweb is working perfectly |
| [04:26:20] | slickrick: | mine is two ports.... swear. |
| [04:26:38] | totalanni: | tbh |
| [04:26:41] | wagnerrp: | im not certain why you would even make a 2-port hardware card |
| [04:26:46] | totalanni: | if i cant get some sort of raid 5 or 10 |
| [04:26:48] | wagnerrp: | since it can only do mirroring or striping |
| [04:26:51] | totalanni: | its not worth getting |
| [04:26:52] | wagnerrp: | its not like that takes any processor |
| [04:26:59] | totalanni: | yea |
| [04:27:01] | Beirdo: | le me see what's with this. |
| [04:27:53] | totalanni: | pipedream |
| [04:27:57] | [R]: | Beirdo: if you still can't dupilcate it... i can try making a backtrace on fri |
| [04:28:14] | Beirdo: | [R]: what version of mythtv? |
| [04:28:21] | totalanni: | slickrick: what do u use your esx whitebox for? |
| [04:29:10] | slickrick: | totalanni: for testing and some production vm's. |
| [04:29:16] | [R]: | Beirdo: 23 fixes |
| [04:29:23] | totalanni: | so its a work box? |
| [04:29:31] | Beirdo: | any chance you wanna try trunk? :) |
| [04:29:36] | [R]: | haha |
| [04:29:37] | slickrick: | totalanni: the prod ones are ms stuff, dc's, exchange, mysql backend, my support website. |
| [04:29:45] | [R]: | Beirdo: granted i *think* i saw it once... |
| [04:29:52] | slickrick: | totalanni: yeah... but it happens to be in my basement. |
| [04:29:56] | totalanni: | lol |
| [04:30:04] | slickrick: | love it... esx is awesome. |
| [04:30:25] | totalanni: | mine will have mythtv as soon as i can get a decent usb tuner or gigabyte patches in vt-d |
| [04:30:34] | kormoc: | oaky, esx is a horrible name |
| [04:30:37] | totalanni: | u use esx or esxi? |
| [04:30:38] | slickrick: | this is my two port sata raid controller ... http://www.3ware.com/products/serial_ata8000.asp (don't laugh.) |
| [04:30:52] | kormoc: | I switched some letters around and was gonna yell at ya |
| [04:31:01] | slickrick: | esxi. just upgraded to 4.1. |
| [04:31:07] | Beirdo: | esxi is also a bad name for the same reason |
| [04:31:43] | slickrick: | i'm not really disk bound, but my mobo can only take 8GB and i wish I could find inexpensive one that took 16GB. |
| [04:31:44] | totalanni: | :-D |
| [04:32:38] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: its ok, he only has virtual esx |
| [04:32:40] | totalanni: | mine takes 24gb max |
| [04:32:54] | slickrick: | what mb? |
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| [04:33:03] | totalanni: | ga-x58a-ud3r |
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| [04:33:14] | totalanni: | buttttt..... |
| [04:33:23] | slickrick: | nice, i like gigabyte mobos as of late. |
| [04:33:26] | wagnerrp: | thats a CPU limitation, not a motherboard one |
| [04:33:34] | totalanni: | right now im running it on a amd x2 ii 220 |
| [04:33:41] | wagnerrp: | (the 24GB one) |
| [04:33:42] | totalanni: | that mobo is my main |
| [04:33:54] | slickrick: | mine is a asus P5E3 with a quad 9450. |
| [04:33:56] | totalanni: | slickrick: that board doesnt have vt-d "yet" |
| [04:34:11] | totalanni: | hoping they patch it in |
| [04:34:19] | slickrick: | built it ages ago... been running for over 700 days or something. |
| [04:34:19] | Beirdo: | how can a board not have a CPU feature? |
| [04:34:21] | totalanni: | as the x58 chipset supports it |
| [04:34:26] | totalanni: | dunno |
| [04:34:34] | totalanni: | both board and cpu have to have that feature for it to work |
| [04:34:44] | slickrick: | totalanni: just checking out that board ... looks awesome. is it on the whitelist hcl? |
| [04:34:49] | totalanni: | it works |
| [04:34:53] | high-rez: | Woh. A dude I did work for who ended his service contract with me behind payment many many months ago got his asterisk box totally 0wned. Someone robocalled 10,000 number through him. :| |
| [04:34:56] | totalanni: | needs a nic |
| [04:35:03] | totalanni: | like every other whitebox |
| [04:35:23] | totalanni: | and ofcourse its software raid...so no rai, just sata |
| [04:35:24] | Beirdo: | high-rez: so how is the robocalling business? |
| [04:35:55] | high-rez: | Beirdo: Wasn't me! :) |
| [04:36:00] | Beirdo: | suuuure :) |
| [04:36:01] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:36:02] | totalanni: | lol |
| [04:36:03] | slickrick: | totalanni: thats why I got my dinky little 3ware card. |
| [04:36:20] | totalanni: | raid 0+1 isnt worth it |
| [04:36:23] | high-rez: | When he told me he was turning over the administration to his windows admin, I figured a day would come on its own where he'd be in a panic. |
| [04:36:27] | totalanni: | err |
| [04:36:29] | totalanni: | raid 0 or 1 |
| [04:36:35] | totalanni: | O_o |
| [04:36:39] | kormoc: | Beirdo, the hacker guessed his 256 bit rsa ssh key on the first try! Talk about lucky! |
| [04:36:45] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:36:49] | totalanni: | lol |
| [04:37:02] | slickrick: | totalanni: i just wanted some protection against disk failure... so raid 1 it was. it was cheap and gives me some peace of mind. |
| [04:37:03] | Beirdo: | brute force sometimes IS real fast :) |
| [04:37:23] | totalanni: | how does that help you? |
| [04:37:31] | slickrick: | me? |
| [04:37:34] | totalanni: | your raising your disk failure % by 3% |
| [04:37:34] | high-rez: | Dude he turned it over to didn't even know the root password. Hadn't even logged in since I turned it over :D |
| [04:37:37] | totalanni: | ooo |
| [04:37:39] | totalanni: | sorry |
| [04:37:42] | totalanni: | gd im high |
| [04:37:46] | totalanni: | right right |
| [04:37:56] | totalanni: | thought u were talkin raid 0 |
| [04:38:02] | slickrick: | gawd no. |
| [04:38:17] | totalanni: | yea |
| [04:38:20] | slickrick: | raid 1... 2x2TB's which is more than enough. |
| [04:38:38] | totalanni: | i can backup/mirror my own disks |
| [04:38:52] | totalanni: | raid 5 or 10 is where its at so i hear ;) |
| [04:39:09] | slickrick: | all depends on what you are trying to do.... |
| [04:39:15] | wagnerrp: | 6 or 10 or 50, 5 is falling out of vogue |
| [04:39:32] | [R]: | do the guys on Whale Wars really do nothing... or was south park just totally parodying it? |
| [04:39:32] | slickrick: | i was originally going to do raid 10 on my myth backend and wagnerrp talked me into raid6 since i really didn't need the performance. |
| [04:39:36] | slickrick: | it was a good choice. |
| [04:39:56] | kormoc: | 5 has a unfortunate issue that you can't detect which drive read incorrectly and thus bitrots |
| [04:40:11] | wagnerrp: | [R]: pretty sure if they did something, they would be arrested for attempted piracy in international waters |
| [04:40:12] | kormoc: | [R], it's pretty much as they displayed it |
| [04:40:27] | [R]: | well that sucks |
| [04:40:32] | wagnerrp: | you cant attack another ship |
| [04:40:38] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, like when they got arrested for illegally boarding a ship and a bunch of them are sitting in a jap jail? |
| [04:40:53] | [R]: | wagnerrp: people do it all the time |
| [04:40:56] | wagnerrp: | so the best you can do is try to block it, or yell at them with megaphones |
| [04:41:07] | wagnerrp: | and those are large ships theyre trying to block |
| [04:41:11] | wagnerrp: | they dont really stop on a dime |
| [04:41:16] | [R]: | so is there no point to the show then? |
| [04:41:17] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, to be fair, one of their ships did ram and sink one of theirs |
| [04:41:31] | kormoc: | [R], it's eco-masterbation! |
| [04:41:36] | [R]: | ROFL |
| [04:41:52] | totalanni: | slickrick: currently my openfiler runs on my esxi box, but that will prob change once esxi allows datastores > 2tb |
| [04:41:53] | wagnerrp: | they rammed and sunk a whaling ship? |
| [04:42:08] | totalanni: | and then ill dedi a box to a nas |
| [04:42:12] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, a whaling ship rammed and suck one of theirs |
| [04:42:14] | totalanni: | and throw software raid cards in it |
| [04:42:20] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [04:42:25] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, and so they boarded it and got restrained and are in jail now |
| [04:42:27] | [R]: | kormoc: now thats what i'm talkin about! |
| [04:42:29] | [R]: | kormoc: thats entertainment |
| [04:42:36] | kormoc: | [R], no, not really |
| [04:42:38] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:42:39] | totalanni: | kormoc: no |
| [04:42:46] | totalanni: | they straight up rode up beside the boat |
| [04:42:49] | slickrick: | totalanni: whats the performance like running openfiler and using vmfs underneath? a friend of mine was playing with that. |
| [04:42:51] | wagnerrp: | more like a whaling ship simply didnt make any effort to avoid the ship that intentionally stopped in from of them |
| [04:42:54] | totalanni: | and jumped on and boarded the ship |
| [04:43:10] | [R]: | so do the japanese eat the whales or something? |
| [04:43:29] | wagnerrp: | [R]: probably for the skin and oils |
| [04:43:35] | totalanni: | whaling IS NOT ILLEGAL if your host country allows it in international waters |
| [04:43:35] | [R]: | oh |
| [04:43:39] | kormoc: | [R], the japs have sonic cannons and so the show is mostly 'WOOP WOOP WOOP WOOP WOOP WOOP' and 'OH LORD, they're using jets to try to scare us off!' |
| [04:43:46] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:43:50] | [R]: | woop? |
| [04:44:00] | kormoc: | [R], yeah, it's a weird sound.... |
| [04:44:34] | wagnerrp: | [R]: was that the episode on tonight? |
| [04:44:37] | totalanni: | slickrick: pretty decent speeds across the network |
| [04:44:41] | [R]: | wagnerrp: yeah, watching it right now |
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| [04:45:11] | totalanni: | 20–25MB/s |
| [04:45:17] | kormoc: | totalanni, IWC claims otherwise, and they're backed by the UNITED NATIONS! |
| [04:45:19] | kormoc: | now that's power! |
| [04:45:27] | totalanni: | no |
| [04:45:41] | totalanni: | that only applies to the 50ish countries that signed that treaty |
| [04:46:02] | Beirdo: | whatever |
| [04:46:10] | kormoc: | 88 countries signed it |
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| [04:46:15] | Beirdo: | whale THIS |
| [04:46:17] | kormoc: | but the UN ratified it as well |
| [04:46:27] | kormoc: | which makes it very merky legally |
| [04:46:32] | totalanni: | well |
| [04:46:40] | totalanni: | they say they are doing it for research purp |
| [04:46:42] | kormoc: | and Japan signed, http://www.iwcoffice.org/commission/members.htm |
| [04:46:42] | totalanni: | which is legal |
| [04:46:44] | ** totalanni shrugs ** | |
| [04:47:02] | Beirdo: | sure, they are researching how many whales they have to catch to make them extinct |
| [04:47:19] | kormoc: | when you've eaten whales for hundreds of years, you don't need hundreds of ships to research them |
| [04:47:23] | Beirdo: | and how good they taste |
| [04:47:29] | kormoc: | with sharp pointy sticks and smooth talking natives! |
| [04:47:43] | totalanni: | lol |
| [04:48:17] | Beirdo: | that said... the Sea Shepherds are on my list of well meaning morons :) |
| [04:48:28] | totalanni: | all in all |
| [04:48:32] | totalanni: | im not for whaling |
| [04:48:34] | Beirdo: | glad SOMEONE is doing it though |
| [04:48:42] | totalanni: | but |
| [04:48:50] | totalanni: | i think whale wars are idiots |
| [04:48:58] | Beirdo: | there's no reason for whaling anymore that I can think of |
| [04:48:59] | kormoc: | I agree |
| [04:49:03] | totalanni: | and our tv broadcast real life pirates on tv |
| [04:49:08] | [R]: | Beirdo: sport? |
| [04:49:08] | totalanni: | and tries to glorify it |
| [04:49:27] | kormoc: | [R], it's really shooting a fish the size of a barn in a barrel |
| [04:49:28] | Beirdo: | yeah, might as well go club some baby seals instead |
| [04:49:43] | kormoc: | Mmm... Baby Seal Meat... so tender... |
| [04:49:45] | [R]: | sweet... i wanna club some baby seals |
| [04:49:46] | totalanni: | lol |
| [04:49:49] | Beirdo: | at least that's done for a reason |
| [04:49:54] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: shooting fish in a barrel is actually pretty hard |
| [04:49:58] | Beirdo: | the pelts are soft... |
| [04:50:10] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I take it you've tried? |
| [04:50:12] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:50:13] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, you still kill them even if you don't hit them |
| [04:50:24] | wagnerrp: | stun them at least |
| [04:50:32] | kormoc: | they float upside down, close enough |
| [04:50:40] | Beirdo: | with a bullet or lack of water when you put enough holes in the barrel |
| [04:50:40] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you first have weird optical issues that you have to compensate for |
| [04:50:49] | kormoc: | which is why you use a shotgun |
| [04:51:00] | Beirdo: | spear gun |
| [04:51:03] | wagnerrp: | and beyond that, the bullets fragment and lose all kinetic energy within a foot or so |
| [04:51:07] | wagnerrp: | spear gun would work |
| [04:51:12] | wagnerrp: | but not normal bullets |
| [04:51:13] | kormoc: | bird shot |
| [04:51:20] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: or use something with slower velocity |
| [04:51:28] | Beirdo: | M16 is a bad choice |
| [04:51:31] | kormoc: | nah |
| [04:51:33] | Beirdo: | shotgun much better |
| [04:51:41] | kormoc: | you'll just drain the barrel and they'll be flopping in the bottom |
| [04:51:43] | kormoc: | dinner's up |
| [04:51:56] | wagnerrp: | the only way it works is by either killing them with the shock, or by putting holes the barrel so they suffocate |
| [04:51:58] | Beirdo: | the slower the projectile, the less the water destroys it on impact |
| [04:52:06] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:52:18] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I'd be surprised if birdshot was that affected by the water |
| [04:52:21] | kormoc: | it's really fine |
| [04:52:46] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: it wouldnt fragment, it would just be outright stopped |
| [04:52:53] | Beirdo: | we need to contact Mythbusters |
| [04:53:00] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: no, you dont |
| [04:53:13] | totalanni: | shotguns can shoot underwater |
| [04:53:20] | totalanni: | so can .22 |
| [04:53:23] | Beirdo: | once |
| [04:53:32] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:53:50] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I donno bout that, it's extremely fine and shouldn't be that affected |
| [04:54:07] | kormoc: | totalanni, any gun can, the bullet has enough o2 in the shell to fire |
| [04:54:10] | wagnerrp: | totalanni: sure, but the velocity will be quite slow |
| [04:54:14] | Beirdo: | and the velocity at impact is low too |
| [04:54:22] | kormoc: | and you'll blow your ears out |
| [04:54:23] | Beirdo: | which is what you want |
| [04:54:25] | totalanni: | no |
| [04:54:31] | totalanni: | im talking about on the surface |
| [04:54:33] | totalanni: | into water |
| [04:54:40] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: assuming theyre properly sealed rounds, and the powder hasnt gotten wet |
| [04:54:42] | totalanni: | rifles will not |
| [04:54:54] | kormoc: | so a 22 rifle won't, but a 22 pistol will? |
| [04:54:55] | wagnerrp: | totalanni: no, a bullet round will fragment as well |
| [04:54:56] | totalanni: | anything sub will |
| [04:54:58] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:55:00] | totalanni: | no |
| [04:55:04] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [04:55:09] | wagnerrp: | erm... pistol bullet |
| [04:55:10] | totalanni: | a 22 rifle will shoot into the water ;) |
| [04:55:17] | ** Beirdo hands the popcorn to kormoc ** | |
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| [04:55:28] | totalanni: | anything high velocity will destroy on the water surface |
| [04:55:31] | ** kormoc wonders how much firearm experience totalanni has ** | |
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| [04:55:34] | totalanni: | like my ak47 |
| [04:55:34] | Beirdo: | entertaining tonight |
| [04:55:54] | totalanni: | mythbusters has already done this one |
| [04:55:54] | kormoc: | yeah... it's a odd day |
| [04:56:06] | Beirdo: | they did it in a retarded way |
| [04:56:16] | high-rez: | Wow. This is interesting to read the logs and examine the carnage. |
| [04:56:20] | Beirdo: | oh wait, of course they did... it's mythbusters |
| [04:56:26] | kormoc: | hey now |
| [04:56:33] | kormoc: | I'll watch a certain redhead any day of the week |
| [04:56:33] | Beirdo: | better than effin science :) |
| [04:56:37] | high-rez: | It appears that the attack originated in russia – but the robo dialers are all in the US :D |
| [04:56:41] | Beirdo: | yeah, duh :) |
| [04:56:55] | Beirdo: | but for other reasons |
| [04:56:56] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:57:38] | Beirdo: | sigh. I can't get this to fail |
| [04:57:53] | Beirdo: | I need someone who has the failure to try with trunk |
| [04:58:48] | kormoc: | todays been pretty fail heavy for me, what's up? |
| [04:59:07] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:59:18] | Beirdo: | let me dig out the ticket # |
| [04:59:37] | Beirdo: | #8872 |
| [05:00:01] | Beirdo: | I'm watching Family Guy via UPnP right now... |
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| [05:00:08] | Beirdo: | and mythweb is working perfectly |
| [05:00:12] | [R]: | Beirdo: did you try djmount? |
| [05:00:36] | Beirdo: | no |
| [05:00:43] | kormoc: | ahh, I fail cause I don't have upnp |
| [05:00:47] | Beirdo: | K |
| [05:00:57] | Beirdo: | this is retarded |
| [05:01:00] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:01:17] | kormoc: | well |
| [05:01:26] | kormoc: | the streaming multiple streams at once bit is a known issue |
| [05:01:57] | Beirdo: | is it due to sharing a worker thread? |
| [05:02:03] | Beirdo: | or do we just not know? |
| [05:02:10] | kormoc: | it's cause it's single threaded, aye |
| [05:02:26] | Beirdo: | wonderful |
| [05:02:47] | kormoc: | actually |
| [05:02:55] | kormoc: | Beirdo, clear your cache or turn on recorded pixmaps |
| [05:03:05] | kormoc: | we use the xml interface to generate those |
| [05:03:13] | kormoc: | which is 'locked' when upnp is streaming |
| [05:03:16] | Beirdo: | Ahhhh |
| [05:03:20] | Beirdo: | OK, I can try that |
| [05:07:14] | Beirdo: | OK. I cleared the cache, works fine... BUT the two recordings that just started... have no thumbnail |
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| [05:07:44] | kormoc: | might be browser specific |
| [05:08:12] | Beirdo: | yeah, true. this is Chrome |
| [05:08:29] | Beirdo: | but I definitely see a pixmap fail while streaming |
| [05:15:08] | wagnerrp: | spam? http://mythtv.org/wiki?title=Wake-on-LAN& . . . ;oldid=42161 |
| [05:16:05] | Beirdo: | no clue :) |
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| [05:16:30] | kormoc: | I consider that spam |
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| [05:17:58] | kormoc: | it's not really useful for myth, so it's out imho |
| [05:18:47] | Beirdo: | nuke it :) |
| [05:20:53] | totalanni: | just curious |
| [05:20:57] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how internet-based wakeup would even work |
| [05:20:58] | totalanni: | u guys see the woot deal of the day? |
| [05:21:03] | kormoc: | oh lord |
| [05:21:04] | wagnerrp: | since its a broadcast packet |
| [05:21:06] | kormoc: | "The "Sea of Chaos" game puts players through the same trials real crabbers face." |
| [05:21:24] | wagnerrp: | totalanni: what about it? |
| [05:21:43] | wagnerrp: | no, you cannot run mythtv on it |
| [05:21:48] | wagnerrp: | yes, it can access mythtv content over upnp |
| [05:21:52] | totalanni: | yea |
| [05:21:55] | totalanni: | i kno ;) |
| [05:22:17] | ** kormoc wonders if totalanni is being clever ** | |
| [05:22:28] | totalanni: | wha? |
| [05:22:30] | totalanni: | inet much? |
| [05:22:41] | iamlindoro: | Not to mention that's a refurb roku for a new roku price... |
| [05:22:53] | totalanni: | i thought they ran $100 |
| [05:23:15] | iamlindoro: | ah, guess that model does-- Roku still sucks, though |
| [05:24:24] | totalanni: | im still needing a usb capture before i can go anywhere in mythtv |
| [05:24:25] | totalanni: | :-D |
| [05:24:43] | Beirdo: | hmmm. |
| [05:25:36] | Beirdo: | $99.99 on Amazon |
| [05:25:49] | kormoc: | it's not like there's any shortage of usb capture devices |
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| [05:25:58] | Beirdo: | I *DO* need more toys, but I'll pass for now |
| [05:26:16] | [R]: | i'm getting my Knex from my parents house |
| [05:26:17] | Beirdo: | netflix streaming on my main TV would be nice though |
| [05:26:17] | [R]: | REAL toys |
| [05:26:19] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:27:05] | totalanni: | kormoc: shortage of usb devices is not the problem |
| [05:27:12] | totalanni: | its the shortage of $$$ to buy them |
| [05:27:20] | kormoc: | if you talked less and worked more... :P |
| [05:27:34] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:27:49] | totalanni: | if only it was like that... |
| [05:27:52] | totalanni: | im workin on it ;) |
| [05:28:30] | kormoc: | ooh but it is like that, it really is |
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| [05:33:09] | Beirdo: | Brian to Quagmire... "isn't there a U in Country?" |
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| [05:33:38] | Beirdo: | Family Guy++ |
| [05:33:39] | high-rez: | Diggidy diggidy |
| [05:34:15] | Beirdo: | oh... and now I can't even get to the backend status |
| [05:34:22] | Beirdo: | Oooooh. |
| [05:34:24] | Beirdo: | I wonder. |
| [05:34:55] | Beirdo: | It might just be that I had a connection already OPEN from mythweb with keepalive? |
| [05:35:07] | kormoc: | I don't think so |
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| [05:35:13] | Beirdo: | dang |
| [05:35:14] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:35:15] | kormoc: | we don't do keep alive in our requests |
| [05:35:29] | kormoc: | but if you enabled a caching engine? |
| [05:35:49] | Beirdo: | just default chrome settings |
| [05:36:03] | Beirdo: | !!NoTrans: file_get_contents(http://192.168.1.5:6544): failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! !! |
| [05:36:41] | kormoc: | cache engine is a mythweb setting |
| [05:36:46] | Beirdo: | ooooh |
| [05:36:47] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:37:54] | Beirdo: | frigging TV |
| [05:38:02] | Beirdo: | I can't stop the playback? |
| [05:38:33] | Beirdo: | there we go |
| [05:39:02] | Beirdo: | let me check the settings |
| [05:40:01] | Beirdo: | no cache engine enabled |
| [05:40:32] | Beirdo: | and recordings end at 11 |
| [05:40:54] | Beirdo: | let's add some nice logging to the worker thread as a start |
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| [05:52:10] | wagnerrp: | heh... Comedy Central banned eps 200 and 201 of south park |
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| [05:53:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:53:40] | Beirdo: | they actually drew a line in the sand? |
| [05:54:02] | [R]: | wagnerrp: is it still not on the online? |
| [05:54:06] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [05:54:10] | wagnerrp: | 202 is, but not those two |
| [05:54:12] | justinh: | "Finally MythTV fixes our bug.. blah blah..." say Amahi .. amahi.org? THE Amahi "Ultimate home server" effort?. Heh the cheek |
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| [05:54:28] | Beirdo: | whaaa? |
| [05:54:49] | [R]: | wagnerrp: they need to grow a pair |
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| [05:55:31] | justinh: | "Finally MythTv fixes our bug to address usability and improved channel selection in the case of many channels http://bit.ly/dxB6R1" .. so I Googled amahi cos I'd never heard of em... and their website appears to be down |
| [05:55:44] | wagnerrp: | justinh: but, it has fractals |
| [05:56:08] | Beirdo: | so... |
| [05:56:18] | Beirdo: | cpg blah blah is amahi.... |
| [05:56:21] | wagnerrp: | was this on twitter? |
| [05:56:23] | Beirdo: | good to know |
| [05:56:36] | justinh: | yeah it was on twitter |
| [05:57:01] | justinh: | find out a few interesting things daily via twitter. it's not quite the annoyance it once was |
| [05:57:38] | wagnerrp: | but.. theyre the leading open source home and small business server |
| [05:58:03] | justinh: | so this amahi thing is some bolt-on to fedora linux |
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| [06:08:51] | justinh: | hmmm just thought of a possible snag when it comes to linux support of that dvb-t2 stick hauppauge are going to announce soon |
| [06:09:15] | justinh: | the UK is the only place where T2 is currently broadcast |
| [06:10:41] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [06:10:45] | Beirdo: | I'm an idiot |
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| [06:11:00] | Beirdo: | I installed a tweaked version of the lib... to the wrong dir |
| [06:11:02] | Beirdo: | sidh |
| [06:11:04] | Beirdo: | sigh even |
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| [06:11:30] | justinh: | wagnerrp: so what are those SP episode about anyway? |
| [06:11:35] | Beirdo: | no wonder I didn't see my new logging |
| [06:13:12] | wagnerrp: | stan insults tom cruise, resulting in a class action lawsuit by ridiculed actors against south park |
| [06:13:15] | justinh: | ahhh. the Tom Cruise one. Can't remember how but I've seen that one |
| [06:13:37] | wagnerrp: | looks like it was a 2-parter |
| [06:13:50] | justinh: | cruise hides in a cupboard (closet) & people spend a good amount of time yelling for him to come out of the closet |
| [06:14:29] | wagnerrp: | no, that was several years ago |
| [06:14:40] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Grrr... now I almost regret spending the last two days fixing it |
| [06:14:53] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: ignore the idiots |
| [06:14:56] | iamlindoro: | self-entitled jerkwads |
| [06:14:56] | wagnerrp: | that was the one which made them lose chef |
| [06:15:04] | ** iamlindoro goes back to sleep ** | |
| [06:15:10] | Beirdo: | :) THere will be a LOT of happy users |
| [06:15:33] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: you could put in a special license which specifically excludes amahi from using it |
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| [06:15:47] | Beirdo: | Isaac Hayes had enough of them dissing Scientology or something, wasn't it? |
| [06:16:05] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: yeah, hes content with them ripping on everyone else and the world |
| [06:16:09] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: too late for that, I think |
| [06:16:15] | wagnerrp: | but go after scientology and its time to quit the show |
| [06:16:18] | justinh: | It's a bugger that it was tagged 'OUR bug'.. but it *will* benefit all digital TV users of mythtv |
| [06:16:35] | Beirdo: | BTW, I like Isaac Hayes' music when I'm in the mood for it |
| [06:16:55] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, heh, I've been tempted to do a weird ip block based on irc ips in mythweb |
| [06:17:03] | justinh: | I thought the 'super adventure club' takedown of Hayes went a bit far even for them |
| [06:17:49] | wagnerrp: | they make it very well known when theyre pissed off at someone |
| [06:18:32] | justinh: | what bugs me when people go on about SP being prejudiced is that they fail to see that they ridicule *everybody* |
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| [06:19:13] | justinh: | it couldn't happen on the BBC already. they had some nuts once, but they've since retracted |
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| [06:20:35] | wagnerrp: | justinh: plus they (almost) always have a 'lesson' |
| [06:21:10] | Beirdo: | and once I put the logging in.... won't fail |
| [06:21:22] | wagnerrp: | logging? |
| [06:21:27] | Beirdo: | frigging heisenbug |
| [06:21:38] | Beirdo: | yeah the UPnP vs mythweb thingy |
| [06:21:44] | justinh: | can't you just comment out the logging? ;-) |
| [06:21:45] | wagnerrp: | heisenburg? |
| [06:21:54] | Beirdo: | I added some logging in the HttpWorker threads |
| [06:22:03] | Beirdo: | and now it's not failing... yet |
| [06:22:07] | Beirdo: | yeah. |
| [06:22:42] | Beirdo: | to quote wikipedia: |
| [06:22:43] | Beirdo: | A heisenbug (named after the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle) is a computer bug that disappears or alters its characteristics when an attempt is made to study it. |
| [06:23:05] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i figured out the pun after i said that |
| [06:23:15] | Beirdo: | hehe :) |
| [06:23:36] | [R]: | Beirdo: at work, i do debugging by flashing an LED |
| [06:23:40] | Beirdo: | for those who haven't taken quantum physics... a) you're lucky and b) that's what I meant |
| [06:24:11] | justinh: | we see them in electromoronics.. by putting a scope on a signal you're actually loading it a teensy widdle bit and... tada – it starts working |
| [06:24:21] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [06:24:25] | justinh: | velly annoying |
| [06:24:30] | wagnerrp: | ugh |
| [06:24:36] | Beirdo: | quick, add a 20pF capacitor on the signal line and ship it |
| [06:24:42] | justinh: | been there |
| [06:24:57] | wagnerrp: | my UPS monitoring gave out 4 days ago |
| [06:25:05] | justinh: | though after a pretty rigorous testing regime.. (in the olden days) |
| [06:25:12] | wagnerrp: | turns out after sitting fine for nearly three years |
| [06:25:30] | wagnerrp: | the velcro holding my firewall up to the HVAC duct failed |
| [06:25:45] | wagnerrp: | and when it fell, it pulled out the serial cable which was apparently not screwed it |
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| [06:25:57] | wagnerrp: | its currently dangling by the ethernet cables |
| [06:26:08] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:26:19] | ** Beirdo grumbles. ** | |
| [06:26:27] | Beirdo: | fail, you pain in the butt |
| [06:27:25] | wagnerrp: | i always like the race conditions, which the act of putting print statements in forces a flush and alters the timings such that there is no race condition |
| [06:27:35] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:27:49] | Beirdo: | for all I know, that's all this is :) |
| [06:27:59] | wagnerrp: | now wheres my velcro... |
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| [06:28:13] | Beirdo: | I got a whole pile here |
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| [06:28:39] | Beirdo: | hmmm, I tell it to clear cache |
| [06:28:46] | Beirdo: | and it didn't seem to |
| [06:29:09] | Beirdo: | oh |
| [06:29:12] | Beirdo: | it did |
| [06:29:12] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:29:52] | Beirdo: | but the backend didn't generat a pixmap, it used em cached |
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| [06:31:08] | Beirdo: | OK. deleted the -1.100x*.png pixmaps on the backend |
| [06:31:11] | Beirdo: | cache THAT |
| [06:31:43] | Beirdo: | and wedge |
| [06:32:23] | Beirdo: | not even logging a dang thing |
| [06:32:30] | Beirdo: | OK, I can recreate THIS |
| [06:33:14] | Beirdo: | Hmmmm. |
| [06:33:26] | Beirdo: | I see two ProcessWork:End logs |
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| [06:33:40] | Beirdo: | and 3 exiting HTTP_WorkerThread |
| [06:33:46] | Beirdo: | iiiinteresting |
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| [06:39:32] | Beirdo: | I think it's a timeout killing off worker threads that it thinks are "idle" even though they are busy feeding data out to a UPnP client |
| [06:39:41] | Beirdo: | then the next request tries to use that thread |
| [06:39:49] | Beirdo: | which, of course, ain't listening |
| [06:40:06] | Beirdo: | well not "killing" |
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| [06:40:18] | Beirdo: | but rather putting back into the avail pool perhaps |
| [06:40:20] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
| [06:40:29] | Beirdo: | just a sneaky suspicion |
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| [06:41:31] | Beirdo: | m_nIdleTimeoutMS = 60000; |
| [06:41:47] | Beirdo: | OK, that doesn't look promising if it thinks it's idle |
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| [06:48:22] | Beirdo: | and... not failing |
| [06:48:39] | Beirdo: | dear bug... I hate you |
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| [06:49:11] | wagnerrp: | how much voltage do you usually need before you can feel it? |
| [06:49:25] | Beirdo: | it's more the current that matters |
| [06:49:28] | Beirdo: | why? |
| [06:49:43] | wagnerrp: | because there is something very very wrong with my house's wiring |
| [06:49:58] | Beirdo: | and the conductivity of the skin/whatever that determines the current amongst other things |
| [06:50:01] | Beirdo: | oh? |
| [06:50:19] | wagnerrp: | standing barefoot on the concrete basement floor, i can feel a differential between true ground, and that of my electronics |
| [06:50:29] | Beirdo: | I've had 120VAC shocks... 240VAC shocks... |
| [06:50:38] | Beirdo: | oooh, that sucks |
| [06:51:01] | wagnerrp: | i pick up a current touching bare metal on my firewall |
| [06:51:04] | Beirdo: | your circuit ground is odd or something |
| [06:51:15] | Beirdo: | i.e not properly grounded |
| [06:51:28] | [R]: | i've gotten a slight current off my cable line |
| [06:51:31] | [R]: | thats not fun :( |
| [06:51:32] | Beirdo: | you may wanna talk to a local electrician (especially if ya know one) |
| [06:51:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive picked up a charge off my cable line |
| [06:51:56] | Beirdo: | I've zotted myself with a phone line... -48VDC. ick |
| [06:52:24] | wagnerrp: | ive got some funky callous on two of my fingers that somehow makes them more receptive to electricity |
| [06:52:37] | wagnerrp: | but i imagine regardless of how sensitive i am, thats still a bad thing |
| [06:52:52] | Beirdo: | nice tingly feeling... I was sweating pretty hard (installing phone wire live in the crawl space at my dad's house) |
| [06:53:01] | Beirdo: | and the live wires landed on my arm |
| [06:53:09] | wagnerrp: | no sweat, fingers are dry |
| [06:53:47] | Beirdo: | yeah, that is odd too, I think a friendly electrician would be a good thing |
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| [06:54:21] | [R]: | but then they'll think you are crazy |
| [06:54:27] | [R]: | and try to get you committed |
| [06:54:34] | [R]: | "i dont feel anything" |
| [06:55:02] | Beirdo: | heh, doubtful |
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| [06:57:47] | Beirdo: | come on. fail |
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| [07:00:47] | Beirdo: | this is annoying me |
| [07:00:55] | Beirdo: | it. won't. fail. |
| [07:01:00] | Beirdo: | stupid watched pot |
| [07:05:49] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–09 00:05:10.517 SendResponseFile : --- size = 2816724932, offset = 2147479552, sent = 2147479552 |
| [07:06:04] | Beirdo: | interesting |
| [07:06:17] | Beirdo: | seems the TV requests again at 2G |
| [07:06:43] | [R]: | 2gb makes sense |
| [07:07:00] | Beirdo: | not really |
| [07:07:21] | [R]: | why not? |
| [07:07:31] | [R]: | it might have a signed 32bit counter |
| [07:07:33] | [R]: | for the bvytes |
| [07:07:33] | Beirdo: | it's a 4G file |
| [07:08:03] | Beirdo: | 4.6G actually |
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| [07:13:14] | Beirdo: | yes. I'm right |
| [07:13:22] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–08 23:38:25.034 HttpWorkerThread::ProcessWork:Begin( 140022779001584 ) socket=59 |
| [07:13:31] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–08 23:38:25.079 MythXML::ProcessRequest: GetRecording : GET /Myth/GetRecording?ChanId=3041&StartTime=2010-09–07T20:00:00 HTTP/1.0 |
| [07:13:45] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–08 23:38:29.154 WorkerThread:Run – Exiting: HTTP_WorkerThread (140022778997792) |
| [07:14:14] | Beirdo: | oh wait |
| [07:14:22] | Beirdo: | never mind |
| [07:14:23] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:14:26] | Beirdo: | crap |
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| [07:18:18] | ServerSage: | So I had a cataclysmic melt down and am forced to start from scratch. It was suggested a few days ago that if I wanted mythweb to be faster I upgrade to trunk, I'm just wondering if that was in jest, or is trunk stable enough for day-to-day. |
| [07:19:07] | Beirdo: | it's develpment unreleased code. |
| [07:19:13] | Beirdo: | but it's mostly stable |
| [07:19:32] | Beirdo: | just be aware that it's being actively worked on |
| [07:19:41] | Beirdo: | and you may catch things at a bad time |
| [07:19:53] | Beirdo: | that said... I use trunk |
| [07:20:39] | ServerSage: | Beirdo: Sounds like trunk is in my future. I can handle glitches and snafus. I'm fortunate, my wife is a techy geek and doesn't mind a recording getting borked here and there. |
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| [07:21:31] | Beirdo: | well, as long as you're willing to take the pain... thre's the -commits mailing list that's a strongly recommended read, along with -devel |
| [07:22:04] | ServerSage: | Beirdo: Do you compile from source or use a repo? |
| [07:22:06] | Beirdo: | doesn't often get terribly painful |
| [07:22:09] | Beirdo: | source |
| [07:22:21] | Beirdo: | I'm a developer... I kinda need to |
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| [07:22:54] | ServerSage: | Beirdo: Makes sense. :) |
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| [07:29:27] | Beirdo: | gonna slap this thing silly |
| [07:29:49] | Beirdo: | Oooooh |
| [07:29:53] | Beirdo: | I had another thought |
| [07:30:08] | Beirdo: | but kormoc is afk |
| [07:30:12] | Beirdo: | sigh |
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| [07:43:02] | justinh: | just had a thought about those canvassers wearing stab-proof vests last night.. maybe they were from an advertising research body enquiring about the efficacy of those Go Compare adverts |
| [07:43:13] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [07:43:21] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: werent you talking about monty python the other day? |
| [07:43:35] | Beirdo: | of course :) |
| [07:43:55] | wagnerrp: | about needing to get one of the movies? |
| [07:44:04] | Beirdo: | I bought em today |
| [07:44:08] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [07:44:14] | Beirdo: | box set of 3 movies |
| [07:44:18] | wagnerrp: | ah, apparently amazon has the flying circus complete set for $35 |
| [07:44:21] | Beirdo: | 6 disks... $33 |
| [07:44:55] | Beirdo: | I got the Holy Trinity |
| [07:45:06] | wagnerrp: | 33.49? |
| [07:45:19] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [07:45:45] | Beirdo: | they had 2 left. |
| [07:45:49] | Beirdo: | now they have none |
| [07:47:36] | justinh: | gah this ubuntu keyring nonsense is becoming annoying again |
| [07:52:41] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:53:49] | justinh: | why isn't there just a simple ON/OFF switch for annoying 'security' features? |
| [07:54:56] | justinh: | like uhh.. F O .. I'm not paranoid somebody is gonna come in & run tweetdeck when I'm not there. Give me a choice! |
| [07:55:14] | Beirdo: | sure |
| [07:55:19] | Beirdo: | it's called debian |
| [07:55:22] | justinh: | heh |
| [07:55:31] | justinh: | I'm starting to tilt thataway |
| [07:55:46] | Beirdo: | or just don't use desktop crap |
| [07:55:55] | justinh: | I bet they don't foist pulseaudio on folks either |
| [07:56:36] | justinh: | might have a point about desktop crap. Gnome is way more than I need |
| [07:56:59] | justinh: | I use firefox, terminal, tweetdeck, inkscape & GIMP occasionally.. and sometimes even ftp |
| [07:57:17] | justinh: | everything else – I use the commandline |
| [07:58:35] | Beirdo: | ftp is commandline |
| [07:58:48] | Beirdo: | terminal... commandline :) |
| [07:59:07] | justinh: | heh I don't even really need a launcher as such |
| [07:59:13] | justinh: | just X with an open terminal :) |
| [07:59:41] | justinh: | or just X, then export DISPLAY :) |
| [08:02:14] | btwe: | FVWM rocks! |
| [08:02:35] | justinh: | I don't want anything to 'rock'. I just need it to work :) |
| [08:03:22] | btwe: | having both :) |
| [08:03:31] | justinh: | er.. I mean apart from my boy's cradle. That definitely needs to rock ;-) |
| [08:04:10] | justinh: | had to check the little bugger was still alive this morning. slept all night long.. raising hell all day yesterday must've took it out of him |
| [08:08:31] | justinh: | meh. the guide I found describing how to do away with the stupid keyring password says I need to *reboot* – is that the only way to restart the darn daemon? |
| [08:09:21] | justinh: | that tears it. I'm a gonna schedule some time off work & send ubuntu to bit heaven |
| [08:09:55] | justinh: | if I'm gonna be forced to reboot for a change to take effect it may as well be time I take to install another distro |
| [08:09:58] | justinh: | damn them to hell |
| [08:10:51] | Beirdo: | I think I see a problem (finally) |
| [08:11:11] | Beirdo: | this server's setup for a maximum of 5 server threads |
| [08:11:16] | Beirdo: | by default |
| [08:11:32] | Beirdo: | and it really doesn't like it when it runs out |
| [08:13:49] | justinh: | only one possible snag with debian, and that's whether or not they've got recent enough versions of qt etc |
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| [08:16:07] | Beirdo: | so use ubuntu server :) |
| [08:16:16] | Beirdo: | and install exactly the minimum |
| [08:16:29] | Beirdo: | I don't have pulseaudio at all on my mythbox |
| [08:16:37] | justinh: | maybe just dumping gnome will get me where I need to be |
| [08:16:38] | Beirdo: | ubuntu 10.04 server :) |
| [08:18:19] | ServerSage: | justinh: What do you currently run? |
| [08:18:29] | justinh: | what do you mean, run? |
| [08:18:46] | justinh: | ubuntu 10.04 on my backend, which I also use as a desktop via freenx |
| [08:18:46] | ServerSage: | justinh: Which distro, sorry. |
| [08:20:56] | justinh: | I think even ubuntu server will have a ream of stuff I don't want/need too |
| [08:20:58] | justinh: | like CUPS |
| [08:21:23] | justinh: | I don't have a printer anymore :) |
| [08:21:34] | justinh: | or rather I do.. it's just at work lol |
| [08:23:58] | justinh: | realised a while ago that nobody makes a printer suited to my usage pattern – i.e. print out a couple of pages once in a blue moon |
| [08:24:34] | sid3windr: | works with most laser printers just fine |
| [08:24:51] | sid3windr: | if you go for inkjet then indeed you'll need new ink every time you want to print a page :> |
| [08:25:20] | justinh: | no problems with the toner settling? |
| [08:25:31] | sid3windr: | my parents have one |
| [08:25:34] | sid3windr: | they don't print that much |
| [08:25:40] | sid3windr: | but they wanted a good, networked printer |
| [08:25:50] | justinh: | I think I printed a couple of pages a year |
| [08:25:52] | sid3windr: | they bought a dell colorlaser 4 years or so ago |
| [08:26:01] | justinh: | it really didn't work out as very much at all |
| [08:26:03] | sid3windr: | still havent replaced the toner once |
| [08:26:19] | Beirdo: | sphery: you still up? |
| [08:26:23] | sid3windr: | the carts are rated as 8000 pages per toner |
| [08:26:30] | Beirdo: | dreaming, I'm sure |
| [08:26:39] | sid3windr: | if you only print a few per year then buying a new complete cheapo hp printer per year will turn out cheaper though |
| [08:26:43] | sid3windr: | esp colorlasers aren't very cheap :) |
| [08:27:02] | justinh: | it was only ever hotel bookings & the like I printed out anyways |
| [08:27:43] | justinh: | mono laser would've done me fine, but it works out dearer to have it switched on all the time :) |
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| [08:28:44] | justinh: | thought about it & the only time I ever really used my printer in earnest was doing our wedding invitations |
| [08:29:53] | justinh: | sure that'll likely change when mr kiddysprinkle is older |
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| [08:51:40] | justinh: | "Enigma & Drake talk about MythTV". Somebody really calls themselves 'Enigma' ? Heh |
| [08:58:28] | justinh: | bet Batman uses Windows 7 MCE |
| [08:59:42] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:00:30] | justinh: | Holy DRM! |
| [09:04:31] | Beirdo: | batman |
| [09:05:54] | justinh: | dinner dinner dinner? Nah, a bit too early for that yet |
| [09:06:51] | Beirdo: | about 2h late for bed :) |
| [09:07:00] | Beirdo: | but I'll watch to the end of the show |
| [09:08:48] | Beirdo: | and there it is |
| [09:09:15] | Beirdo: | night |
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| [10:05:47] | justinh: | huh? Radiotimes.com website has more complete data than their xml feed |
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| [10:06:54] | justinh: | git wizards http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/109.dat |
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| [10:18:05] | justinh: | gah, what date format are mythweb's listings in? |
| [10:18:21] | justinh: | want to make a manual recording & I'm seeing the date as 2010-09–09 |
| [10:18:56] | justinh: | ahh |
| [10:19:10] | justinh: | defaults are the 'merkin versions |
| [10:22:55] | justinh: | hmm I know what'd be real nice for the manual schedule thingy.. a popup calendary effort |
| [10:23:12] | justinh: | wonder if I could.. or if anybody already has |
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| [10:33:14] | stuartm: | should be dead easy |
| [10:33:42] | justinh: | yeah should be. I added it to some wordpress PHP a wee while ago, painting by numbers style (as is my wont) |
| [10:33:55] | justinh: | whether it works out to be or not remains to be seen :) |
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| [10:48:02] | sphery: | justinh: if you're really motivated: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7057#comment:15 |
| [10:48:50] | justinh: | what does that have to do with a date popup? ;-) |
| [10:49:27] | sphery: | :) |
| [10:50:13] | sphery: | (it's the description of how and when the date is used by manual schedules) |
| [10:50:15] | justinh: | since you mention that though, maybe I could turn mythweb into a fully-fledged frontend & setup utility while I'm about it |
| [10:50:57] | justinh: | ;-) |
| [10:51:03] | sphery: | heh |
| [10:51:11] | stuartm: | sphery: we should fix that, do it properly instead of overloading the dates |
| [10:51:26] | sphery: | yeah, I admit it's more work than just putting in a calendar, but thought I'd mention it just in case |
| [10:51:27] | justinh: | ran into a weird scheduling issue last night.. waterloo road didn't record – 1st ep of a new series – was listed as 'previously recorded' |
| [10:52:07] | sphery: | stuartm: I wouldn't complain. I'm not sure how much of an effect it would have on the scheduler, though. Should probably run the idea by gigem. |
| [10:52:08] | stuartm: | same, is that because the description was the same (since the plot probably was the same as all the others) |
| [10:52:26] | justinh: | I dunno |
| [10:52:42] | justinh: | it's now set to record at any time on BBC1 |
| [10:52:44] | stuartm: | sphery: we can abstract it in the UI without changing the scheduler logic or db |
| [10:52:46] | sphery: | which series is this one? |
| [10:52:48] | sphery: | 12? |
| [10:53:19] | sphery: | if it's something like that, you may be experiencing the "rollover" of episode/season |
| [10:53:19] | justinh: | I know it's generally frowned on to use 'this channel' stuff but it's a damn sight safer than relying on uk_rt |
| [10:53:47] | stuartm: | sphery: doubt it, I don't watch soaps but I think that one has only been around for 4–5 years at most |
| [10:54:02] | sphery: | ah, not long enough for the rollover |
| [10:54:28] | sphery: | and, besides, trunk shouldn't rollover, and I'd guess at least one of you is on trunk |
| [10:55:17] | justinh: | not running trunk here yet |
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| [10:55:59] | justinh: | it's hardly even as if I schedule many recordings manually – with or without mythweb.. but having a calendar style date popper-upper thingy would be nice |
| [10:56:38] | justinh: | hmm reminds me of something else I was going to look into once too.. similar thing for mythfrontend itself |
| [10:56:52] | stuartm: | justinh: make it generic enough and it could go into libmythui to be reused anywhere a calendar would be useful |
| [10:57:03] | justinh: | yeh that was the original thinking |
| [10:57:38] | justinh: | good for general userfriendliness & will benefit touchscreen users ultimately too |
| [10:57:45] | stuartm: | would be good for a "jump to day" in the guide grid |
| [10:58:25] | justinh: | think I need to rejig my laptop's loonix partition so it's a viable dev platform |
| [10:58:41] | justinh: | bring it to work tomorrow so I can start moving things around |
| [11:03:50] | justinh: | know I've said all this before but I'll be damned if this year is going to be another of hot air & no action |
| [11:11:49] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: do you still want to host the demo theme? I have an updated tarball which I'm happy to host on my server |
| [11:17:50] | stuartm: | which I'm now doing – http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/filebin/demotheme.090910.tar.gz |
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| [11:30:19] | justinh: | wonder if radiotimes need a techy to work on their xml feeds more full-time. I could do it from home |
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| [11:54:15] | Spida: | how can I change the quality-settings that mytharchive uses for recoding for DVD? I got a 4hour recording recoded to 500MB and don't like its quality :-/ |
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| [11:57:00] | justinh: | heh |
| [11:57:48] | justinh: | hang on 500MB? how did you end up with that? |
| [11:58:22] | Spida: | no clue. quality was shitty and recording ended after 2 hours or something |
| [11:58:36] | Spida: | filesystem had enough space, though |
| [11:58:50] | Spida: | (and that doesn't explain the quality) |
| [11:59:12] | justinh: | language |
| [11:59:19] | justinh: | as in, watch yours |
| [11:59:20] | Spida: | k |
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| [12:00:10] | justinh: | I've only ever used mytharchive a couple of times but AFAIK it's only supposed to squash something to fit on a disc |
| [12:00:18] | justinh: | i.e. by just enough so it'll fit |
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| [12:00:39] | justinh: | 4 hours into 500MB would've been like < VCD quality I bet |
| [12:00:59] | Spida: | yes |
| [12:01:29] | justinh: | if it was any other plugin I'd open mythfrontend & take a peek myself.. but since it's mytharchive I'll pass |
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| [12:26:07] | Spida: | anybody else? |
| [12:27:50] | justinh: | point is, I don't think it's even supposed to be configurable |
| [12:28:06] | justinh: | like you tell it to compress everything to fit on a disc & it goes off & does it |
| [12:28:18] | justinh: | if it's coming out smaller than it should that might be a bug |
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| [12:41:07] | justinh: | well, just for giggles I added a bunch of recordings to an archive, sum total of which are too big to fit on a single layer disc. let's see what happens |
| [12:41:48] | wondra: | i guess i will fail. |
| [12:42:00] | wondra: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythArchive#How_do . . . _profiles.3F |
| [12:42:15] | wondra: | the profiles seem to be kind of fixed |
| [12:42:58] | justinh: | 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!One!!1111 |
| [12:43:04] | justinh: | somebody looked in the wiki1 :-O |
| [12:43:45] | wondra: | I'm just trying it as well and wonder Why The Hell is LP using a resolution of 352x576 |
| [12:43:45] | justinh: | stil though... nothing should be coming out the other end as small as 500MB |
| [12:44:13] | justinh: | because it's a valid DVD resolution |
| [12:44:14] | wondra: | and why is does a full re-encode when it could do a re-quantization. |
| [12:44:28] | wondra: | and why AC3? |
| [12:44:31] | wondra: | and why why? |
| [12:44:46] | justinh: | why don't you write yer own frickin plugin then? |
| [12:45:09] | wondra: | I'll just write my own encoding profiles, thank you. |
| [12:45:43] | justinh: | I honestly thought it'd just reencode/requant to fit on the disc |
| [12:46:01] | justinh: | and fwiw, AC3 because it takes less room than mp1 layer 2 |
| [12:46:06] | justinh: | aka mp2 |
| [12:46:11] | justinh: | aka normal DVD audio |
| [12:46:28] | wondra: | it will take precisely the same space as MP2 at the same bitrate |
| [12:46:45] | wondra: | and right now I am re-encoding from MP2 160kbps to AC3 192kbps. |
| [12:46:54] | justinh: | meh |
| [12:47:04] | justinh: | well, nobody ever really looks at mytharchive these days |
| [12:47:23] | wondra: | ok sorry, the bitrate is the same |
| [12:47:27] | justinh: | it's not exactly the most unloved plugin, but not the most loved |
| [12:47:42] | justinh: | loved referring to the amount of attention it receives from contributors |
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| [12:53:37] | stuartm: | rise in HD material is only going to hasten it's demise unless it starts supporting bluray writing |
| [12:54:22] | stuartm: | but mostly HDDs are just so cheap that archiving off to DVD doesn't make much sense |
| [12:55:13] | justinh: | that & the utterly disposable nature of TV :) |
| [12:55:57] | stuartm: | well there's that :) |
| [12:56:29] | stuartm: | I keep less than 1% of all the TV I record |
| [12:56:54] | justinh: | and the price of proper box sets :) |
| [12:56:57] | stuartm: | maybe more films, but only so there is always something to watch on a rainy day |
| [12:58:02] | justinh: | by the time you've sat for hours editing ads out, transcoding & burning.. you could've er... well you get the idea |
| [12:59:32] | justinh: | there's no "muhh, but what about Uncle bub who wanted to see ... " for me. Sucks to be them if they miss anything :) |
| [13:01:36] | justinh: | I'm always amazed by the sheer amount of stuff people can be bothered to put on youtube |
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| [13:02:08] | justinh: | the most inane of broadcast material.. somebody sat through a recording, found the right bit, saved it out.. pfft! |
| [13:02:21] | Flasheart: | yah |
| [13:02:43] | justinh: | life is too short |
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| [14:27:08] | Spida: | 275181 extents written (537 MB) |
| [14:27:08] | Spida: | Finished creating ISO image |
| [14:27:36] | justinh: | heh |
| [14:27:37] | Spida: | this is with the SP profile for a Double Layer (8.5GB) DVD |
| [14:27:47] | justinh: | life really is too short |
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| [14:34:22] | Gibby: | Any help/ideas with https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/632756 |
| [14:35:32] | justinh: | nope. nobody seemed to have yesterday either |
| [14:37:21] | Gibby: | i know :(, i did another update/upgrade, tried again, it crashed today too, just took longer.... it was working last week before i left for vacation |
| [14:38:19] | justinh: | you need somebody with a bigger brain than I to look at those backtraces |
| [14:39:12] | Gibby: | well atleast i fixed my LCD monitor today |
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| [14:46:55] | Gibby: | is there atleast a place I can start? |
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| [15:00:57] | iamlindoro: | http://www.hackradiolive.org/show.php?show=7 |
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| [15:17:27] | somethinginteres: | justinh: From yesterday.. I got the compro past the first hurdle by cheating (for now, I know it isn't ideal by any means) and using channels.conf from scan though the video is super mesed up and audio sounds like a robot, a chunky robot uploading a pic now.. |
| [15:17:27] | somethinginteres: | please see: http://yfrog.com/nbweirdtvp info from terminal as error was occurring: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/bTgVKnY1 Also the same results occur in Me-TV and TVTime, neither of which I needed to use a conf file. They found the channels on their own and still have the issue (in case that matters) |
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| [15:25:48] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: amazing that people are /still/ talking about modding original xboxes |
| [15:26:13] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Heh, if you listen, there is some real amusement in there... like how XBMC is based on MythTV |
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| [15:26:30] | bjd_: | why is it amazing? |
| [15:27:11] | bjd_: | yes, modding now is a little strange, but i guess loads of people have modd'ed xboxes lying around |
| [15:27:24] | wagnerrp: | bjd_: because its a piece of junk |
| [15:27:56] | wagnerrp: | 64MB of memory, a 733MHz P3, and a now woefully outdated graphics card |
| [15:28:05] | wagnerrp: | it was a slow PC when it first came out |
| [15:28:23] | wagnerrp: | but now? it will struggle on even standard definition content |
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| [15:28:58] | wagnerrp: | why bother, when for $200, you can buy all new parts and get a fairly nice frontend |
| [15:29:18] | skd5aner: | and the linux distros for xbox haven't been updated in 5 yars |
| [15:29:19] | skd5aner: | years |
| [15:29:35] | skd5aner: | at least xebian hasn't, and it was basically the main one |
| [15:29:44] | wagnerrp: | and even xbmc, which started on the xbox, has abandoned the platform completely |
| [15:30:22] | skd5aner: | my old modded xbox frontend is sitting in the other room, in pieces |
| [15:30:34] | skd5aner: | it was pretty cool to show off back in the day :) |
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| [15:30:44] | skd5aner: | like ~2004 |
| [15:30:50] | wagnerrp: | even back in the day, it was junk |
| [15:31:00] | skd5aner: | yes... it was a struggle |
| [15:31:24] | skd5aner: | but as a concept, was still fun |
| [15:31:56] | skd5aner: | can't imagine anyone attempting it today |
| [15:32:07] | skd5aner: | I gave up because myth eventually wouldn't compile on xebian |
| [15:32:19] | skd5aner: | ~2007 |
| [15:32:29] | skd5aner: | and... because by that point I had entered the HD realm |
| [15:32:44] | skd5aner: | actually, ~2006 maybe? |
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| [15:33:25] | skd5aner: | like I said, the gcc compliler on there was from 2003'ish |
| [15:33:26] | skd5aner: | 2004 |
| [15:33:53] | skd5aner: | anyone who would even want to attempt to run it on an xbox now, would have to struggle jsut to get it to build |
| [15:33:58] | skd5aner: | let alone, launch |
| [15:34:07] | skd5aner: | what a headache |
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| [15:38:37] | somethinginteres: | justinh: well.. it seems to be solved I fiddled with the aerial and adjusted the HD ringbuffer slightly |
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| [15:45:49] | spazor: | If mythwelcome is not started, does mythshutdown ever get called? |
| [15:48:20] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [15:48:29] | Beirdo: | #8872... resolved :) |
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| [15:50:42] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: If the uPnP server is using QThreads now rather than pthreads, QThread has a ThreadPool concept that allows it to scale up to the optimal number of threads for that system-- might be nicer/cleaner than using a fixed DB value |
| [15:51:28] | Beirdo: | oh? Well we can look at retrofitting in the future I guess |
| [15:51:29] | iamlindoro: | Think we use it in the MythUIImage threaded scaling/loading |
| [15:52:13] | Beirdo: | for now I'll be adding some logging to aid in diagnosis, and we can look at making it better in 0.25 as we will be using that server even more if setup's moving to it :) |
| [15:53:44] | Beirdo: | sound like a plan? |
| [15:54:28] | iamlindoro: | Works for me |
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| [16:03:27] | Beirdo: | and done |
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| [16:09:28] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: nice job diagnosing |
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| [16:54:23] | Gibby: | so if i am going to whipe my backend and reinstall, i just need a database backup right? |
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| [16:56:52] | Beirdo: | kenni: as I was saying about Spanish? :) |
| [16:58:43] | Beirdo: | not sure how much of that's idiomatic, how much of it was just poor translation, but I bet there's some of both |
| [17:00:41] | kenni: | Beirdo: I was thinking the same thing...but it sounds like a poor translation from the comments |
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| [17:03:51] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'd take reynaldo's word for it |
| [17:04:56] | Beirdo: | makes ya wonder, but he's a Spanish speaker (Chile, I think), so his take is more useful than ours, but it makes ya wonder if some isn't just regional differences |
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| [17:09:22] | Beirdo: | dangit, ohloh |
| [17:09:26] | Beirdo: | do an update already :) |
| [17:16:14] | Gibby: | ok, so i uninstall mythtv, re-installed and the channel scan still crashes |
| [17:17:42] | Beirdo: | sphery: no flaming me :) |
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| [17:21:48] | ** Beirdo shakes his fist at his crappy commercial detection speed ** | |
| [17:22:08] | Beirdo: | now flagging.. Bones... from 5pm last night |
| [17:22:15] | Beirdo: | I'm lucky if I can keep up |
| [17:23:08] | Gibby: | so what do i try now? |
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| [17:23:34] | justinh: | Gibby: try to get somebody to look at your backtraces |
| [17:23:45] | justinh: | I mean assuming they're good backtraces |
| [17:24:22] | Gibby: | How do you tell if they are good are not? |
| [17:24:44] | justinh: | I dunno.. somebody would be able to tell in 30 secs if they know what they're looking at |
| [17:25:30] | Gibby: | ahh, i have been looking at what was uploaded for hours... still mostly confused |
| [17:25:32] | justinh: | I even had a scrutinise of the version number in there since I remembered an old bug in 0.21 where it might fall over if you had > 1 CPU |
| [17:25:51] | justinh: | noticed you used the debug build.. always a good start |
| [17:26:45] | Gibby: | ahh ok, i keep trying to upload the complete report via apport but it errors and only lets me send reduced report, wish i knew what else i could add to the bug |
| [17:27:09] | Gibby: | my next step is almost to do a fresh OS install... but ugh |
| [17:27:28] | Beirdo: | apport?! |
| [17:27:46] | Gibby: | yes apport is giving me the issues sending the complete report |
| [17:28:02] | sphery: | Beirdo: about what? |
| [17:28:19] | Beirdo: | sphery: my reply to Jarod... he pointed out Atom Home Servers :) |
| [17:28:39] | Beirdo: | Gibby: apport is not the "normal" way to troubleshoot mythtv |
| [17:28:50] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [17:28:56] | Beirdo: | that's great if you want mythbuntu folks to debug |
| [17:29:11] | Beirdo: | but if you want the core developers looking at it... |
| [17:29:11] | Gibby: | ahh ok, is there another way to backtrace? |
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| [17:30:19] | Beirdo: | using gdb... I guess apport does all that, but not many of us look to launchpad to get that info |
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| [17:30:46] | Beirdo: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [17:31:54] | Gibby: | ok, so i think i already have gdb, let me try it |
| [17:32:07] | Beirdo: | the info apport collects is pretty much the same, but it's just for maximum coverage... putting it into the ubuntu bug tracking system loses the visibility to the large number of non-ubuntu-running devs :) |
| [17:32:54] | Gibby: | ok thanks Beirdo, I thought you want me to use apport the other day |
| [17:32:57] | Gibby: | i got confused |
| [17:33:02] | Beirdo: | not me... |
| [17:33:13] | Beirdo: | musta been someone else |
| [17:33:38] | Beirdo: | either way, if you do have an apport report in, we can still look at it |
| [17:33:44] | sphery: | I ref'ed the Debugging page, which describes how to use apport to do a backtrace |
| [17:33:49] | Beirdo: | but some people may choose to avoid it. |
| [17:34:12] | Gibby: | my head is spinning, can't decide if i need more coffee or beer |
| [17:34:22] | Beirdo: | the answer is yes |
| [17:34:27] | Beirdo: | grab one of each |
| [17:34:59] | justinh: | Beirdo: there are what look like real traces on his report |
| [17:35:38] | Beirdo: | justinh: yes, but the issue is the venue. You'll have a harder time getting supported by devs who aren't ubuntu users, etc |
| [17:36:00] | Beirdo: | we don't track bugs there, we use trac |
| [17:36:13] | justinh: | text files attached etc :) |
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| [17:37:03] | Beirdo: | I mean, if the mythbuntu folks want to triage, etc, that's great |
| [17:37:26] | Beirdo: | but the core devs for MythTV aren't really following launchpad |
| [17:38:03] | Beirdo: | make sense? |
| [17:38:40] | Beirdo: | it's like people who make bug reports on the mythtvtalk forums... sorry, wrong venue, not likely to get noticed by the right people |
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| [17:39:00] | Gibby: | understand completely |
| [17:39:00] | justinh: | yeh but someone here could have a quick peek at the myth gdb output then at least give gibby a clue how to progress |
| [17:39:13] | Beirdo: | sure. we could |
| [17:39:15] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:39:18] | Beirdo: | got a link? |
| [17:39:28] | Gibby: | so when i get to this part: sudo gdb mythbackend -c /tmp/core.[rest_of_the_file_name] 2>&1 | tee mythtv_backtrace.txt i change it to mythtv-setup right? |
| [17:39:34] | Gibby: | https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/632756 |
| [17:39:53] | Beirdo: | yeah, whatever's crashing |
| [17:40:01] | Gibby: | that makes sense |
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| [17:40:26] | Gibby: | so this should work then? sudo gdb mythtv-setup -c /tmp/core.mythtv-setup 2>&1 | tee mythtv_setup.txt |
| [17:40:58] | Beirdo: | I'd think so, but I am a bit caffeine-deprivd |
| [17:41:05] | Gibby: | http://pastebin.com/Sme3FUMr |
| [17:41:13] | Beirdo: | sphery: is this the one you looked at earlier? |
| [17:41:35] | Beirdo: | oh blah |
| [17:41:39] | Gibby: | i run it, and it drops me to gdb, it doesn't start mythtv-setup |
| [17:41:41] | Beirdo: | stupid wrapper scripts |
| [17:42:03] | iamlindoro: | s/mythtv-setup/mythtv-setup.real/ |
| [17:42:06] | Beirdo: | it's probably mythtv-setup.real or somethign |
| [17:43:07] | Gibby: | oops have to re-install the dbg packages |
| [17:43:29] | Beirdo: | this does look like it's the same one sphery and I perused the other day |
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| [17:44:10] | Beirdo: | sphery: you suspected an incomplete config, wasn't it? |
| [17:44:37] | Beirdo: | I certainly see how it's dying, but the root cause is another issue |
| [17:45:00] | iamlindoro: | There are mutex/locking issues in the .23 channel scanner |
| [17:45:03] | Gibby: | what didn't make sense to me, is it was working last week |
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| [17:45:09] | iamlindoro: | some of them are fixed in trunk, and one remains, with a patch + ticket in trac |
| [17:45:16] | Beirdo: | it's calling TVRec::IsBusy with a null TVRec instance |
| [17:45:38] | iamlindoro: | IIRC that one is fixed |
| [17:45:49] | iamlindoro: | in trunk at least |
| [17:45:50] | Beirdo: | yeah, iamlindoro is the current master of the scanner :) |
| [17:45:58] | iamlindoro: | God, don't say that |
| [17:46:07] | Beirdo: | current.. as in for today. :) |
| [17:46:24] | Beirdo: | sorry. You can relinquish said title to danielk if you wish |
| [17:46:51] | Beirdo: | you probably DO have the most recent eyes on the code though |
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| [17:47:35] | Gibby: | this is what i get now trying to use gdm |
| [17:47:37] | Gibby: | http://pastebin.com/jwuQt98h |
| [17:47:38] | Beirdo: | Gibby: input #3. what type of card is that? |
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| [17:48:02] | Beirdo: | that's for after you have a coredump |
| [17:48:05] | sphery: | Gibby: yeah, it looks like your capture cards may or may not be properly configured (but can't tell if that's fixed with the most recent logging). However, it looks like now you're using a Composite or S-Video input and did not specify any channel change script. You need something--if nothing else, /bin/true . |
| [17:48:11] | Gibby: | HVR-1600 MC |
| [17:48:36] | Gibby: | i am using the s-video for my STB and tuner 1 for OTA |
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| [17:49:30] | Beirdo: | K. that's the one it's failing on... |
| [17:50:54] | Gibby: | K, fixed the external script for the STB on svideo |
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| [17:52:15] | iamlindoro: | waitwait-- are you trying to *scan* s-video? |
| [17:52:21] | iamlindoro: | you're not, right? |
| [17:52:26] | Gibby: | no, scan tuner 1, svideo is working |
| [17:54:09] | Gibby: | http://pastebin.com/KD6unrMd |
| [17:54:15] | Gibby: | that is the gdm output, finally figured it out |
| [17:56:07] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1936667 Should fix the segfault |
| [17:56:48] | Gibby: | and how do i use that? |
| [17:56:51] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah, that should cover it :) |
| [17:56:57] | iamlindoro: | you don't |
| [17:57:10] | iamlindoro: | you'd patch source if you were compiling from source |
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| [17:57:46] | Gibby: | that i can do, well try |
| [17:58:15] | Gibby: | what package is it for? mythtv-backend? |
| [17:58:41] | ** iamlindoro has no idea how ubuntu packages work ** | |
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| [17:59:13] | Beirdo: | me neither |
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| [17:59:37] | Gibby: | so what is the flavor of choice for the myth dev's? |
| [17:59:45] | sphery: | usually, people just wait until it goes into the daily build for the branch they're using |
| [18:00:10] | Gibby: | but then i don't learn |
| [18:00:13] | Beirdo: | holy changeset, batman! |
| [18:00:32] | sphery: | Beirdo: he just wanted to invalidate everyone's ccache |
| [18:00:35] | Beirdo: | Gibby: many of the devs use non-packaged source compiles, I think |
| [18:00:57] | Gibby: | that I know, but on which distro? |
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| [18:01:07] | Beirdo: | that's irrelevant |
| [18:01:10] | Gibby: | o |
| [18:01:31] | Beirdo: | if you aren't using packaging, it's all custom anyways, really |
| [18:01:35] | Beirdo: | we have a mix |
| [18:02:38] | Gibby: | Beirdo, I see about 12min ago, you said thats the one its failing on.... which input are you talking about? |
| [18:03:00] | Beirdo: | input #3 as indicated in the database |
| [18:03:17] | ** iamlindoro backported it anyway ** | |
| [18:03:26] | Beirdo: | so whatever encoder 3 is |
| [18:03:50] | Beirdo: | judging by what was passed in down the call path |
| [18:04:04] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: thanks. :) making the code more bulletproof is always good |
| [18:04:09] | Gibby: | hmmm ok, let me see if i can figure out which one that is, thought tuner was 1 and svideo was 2 |
| [18:04:10] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [18:04:28] | iamlindoro: | Even if weird things still happen/user error, it's worth preventing the segfault |
| [18:04:32] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [18:04:47] | Beirdo: | dunno WHY it's getting there as null, but we could at least not die :) |
| [18:05:43] | sphery: | Beirdo / iamlindoro : FWIW, the QThread::idealThreadCount() only gives the number of cores available--it's the ideal number of compute-intensive threads to run concurrently for the processor, but doesn't take into account the needs of the process. http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qthread.html#idealThreadCount |
| [18:06:10] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [18:06:29] | Beirdo: | OK. Well, for the webserver, we need to revisit the default as a minimum |
| [18:06:49] | Beirdo: | I did have it wedge a couple times last night, but before I had any instrumentation in place |
| [18:07:08] | Beirdo: | then it turned into a heisenbug |
| [18:07:10] | sphery: | Beirdo: Yeah, this seems very similar to an issue that users sometimes get when they misconfigure audio input on their capture devices. Last time it came up, jan neg and Chutt (IIRC) were looking for what's passing the null, but never figured it out. That said, I have no idea how you can misconfigure audio input with an ivtv tuner vs a V4L tuner. |
| [18:07:15] | Beirdo: | and made my evening miserable :) |
| [18:07:56] | Beirdo: | yeah. HOW that got wonky, I dunno, but crashing is bad, mmkay? :) |
| [18:08:22] | Beirdo: | maybe once we have it not crashy, tracing out what's causing the issue might become easier |
| [18:08:53] | sphery: | Gibby: then again, it's possible that when you were trying random tuner types before, you got some garbage in the db... It's possible that doing the capture card portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 will get rid of any broken data and it will work after that. If you do that, please back up the DB /before/ and after so we can compare data if it fixes it. Also, note that you will /not/ ... |
| [18:08:59] | sphery: | ... lose any channel information, so it's really a 30s change. |
| [18:09:24] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, if nothing else, having the if in there makes it easy to set a gdb breakpoint and grab a bt |
| [18:09:32] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [18:09:46] | Beirdo: | we should really be idiot-checking in code a lot more than we do |
| [18:10:40] | Gibby: | ok, i still havne't figured out the backing up of the DB yet... |
| [18:11:21] | sphery: | Gibby: and if you want to try the breakpoint, you'd just do: break channelbase.cpp:587 (assuming the return false; line in iamlindoro's patch ends up on line 587 for you, too) |
| [18:11:39] | sphery: | Gibby: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . #Quick_Start |
| [18:11:50] | Gibby: | just got the source, rebuilding the package with the patch now |
| [18:12:29] | sphery: | might be worth waiting until you can grab the backtrace at the breakpoint before you try the delete all capture cards thing |
| [18:12:33] | Gibby: | will try the card capture first |
| [18:12:45] | Gibby: | or the patch first? |
| [18:13:09] | sphery: | just in case the capture card "fixes" the problem, it makes sense to wait if you're compiling the patched source |
| [18:13:24] | sphery: | might be hard to reproduce if we accidentally fix it :) |
| [18:13:52] | iamlindoro: | The patch I pastebinned is for trunk, will not build on .23-fixes |
| [18:14:07] | iamlindoro: | different variable name |
| [18:14:19] | Gibby: | i am on 0.23.1 |
| [18:14:31] | iamlindoro: | Which is where the pastebinned patch will not build |
| [18:14:40] | iamlindoro: | why not just wait until tomorrow and install the nightly build? |
| [18:15:00] | iamlindoro: | I backported it to .23-fixes, it will be available in auto-builds of that version tomorrow |
| [18:15:24] | Gibby: | b/c i am impatient |
| [18:15:29] | Gibby: | and i want to learn |
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| [18:15:47] | sphery: | Gibby: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/26192 |
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| [18:18:59] | Beirdo: | oooh, #8899 is interesting |
| [18:19:21] | Beirdo: | I wonder if that would fix the few remaining audio-related glitches I have |
| [18:22:03] | wagnerrp: | does the 'hd ringbuffer' actually do anything anymore? |
| [18:25:38] | sphery: | Beirdo: FWIW, I still think Atom is a travesty. That said, Intel may take care of the problem for us all. Sounds like Sandybridge will fix some of its problem. If they do it right (i.e. don't use a crippled CPU), I'll quit complaining about them. |
| [18:26:21] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: where do you even find content using FLAC audio? |
| [18:26:38] | iamlindoro: | Yarrrr, I dunno, me matey |
| [18:26:45] | iamlindoro: | Or I guess you could generate it |
| [18:26:47] | Beirdo: | less of a travesty than using random ARM processors |
| [18:26:51] | wagnerrp: | why would they ever encode content with flac audio? |
| [18:27:02] | sphery: | Sandy Bridge is looking like it will be basically the same as the AMD Fusion design. The one part I don't know at this point, though, is whether it has a real CPU or an Atom-like "low power usage /and/ no power to compute" one. |
| [18:27:03] | wagnerrp: | the original source is never going to be in FLAC |
| [18:27:20] | wagnerrp: | and in the cases where they do have lossless audio, its always going to be in some high multichannel codec |
| [18:27:27] | wagnerrp: | thats probably about as efficient as FLAC anyway |
| [18:27:30] | sphery: | Beirdo: heh, yeah, but if you want low power usage, ARM has many benefits |
| [18:27:37] | Gibby: | sphery: which one do you want me to do first? the patch or clear all the inputs? |
| [18:27:41] | Beirdo: | sphery: Atom still has *some* power... just sucky for the clock rate :) |
| [18:28:02] | sphery: | Gibby: patch first... and, ideally, with a breakpoint |
| [18:28:08] | Beirdo: | the problem with ARM is that there are SO many variants, and it's not really a "common platform" |
| [18:28:09] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: And the ones he wants to prioritize FLAC above support more channels, sampling rates, bitrates... |
| [18:28:18] | Gibby: | don't quite understand the breakpoint option sphery |
| [18:28:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: we need an ARM vs Atom comparison |
| [18:28:27] | iamlindoro: | not to mention can be (theoretically) passed through and decoded |
| [18:28:40] | Beirdo: | ARMv7 and ARMv9, and each has several hundred sub-variations |
| [18:29:04] | Beirdo: | at least Atom is... well... compatible with real processors :) |
| [18:30:12] | wagnerrp: | where does he get the idea that TRUEHD == AC3? |
| [18:30:20] | Beirdo: | technically, I like ARM better :) but for Linux.. "just works" is great |
| [18:30:44] | sphery: | Gibby: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 , but I recommend using --compile-type=profile , and in thd gdb script, add break channelbase.cpp:496 on a new line just after break qFatal and get rid of the -v in the set args line and start mythtv-setup with gdb mythtv-setup -x gdbcommands |
| [18:30:46] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: he doesn't, he just lumped it in the top of the fallback list |
| [18:30:48] | ** Beirdo applies the patch from #8899 ** | |
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| [18:31:10] | Gibby: | sphery, ok, that is going to require more coffee |
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| [18:31:36] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: fallback does TrueHD->EAC3->DTS->AC3 |
| [18:31:42] | Beirdo: | oooh, coffee. good plan |
| [18:31:54] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: He proposes to do FLAC->TrueHD->EAC3->DTS->AC3, which is just nonsense |
| [18:31:58] | Beirdo: | I've actually seen EAC3 on some recordings, I think |
| [18:32:15] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: It's not broadcast anywhere in the world |
| [18:32:23] | iamlindoro: | it is a format on HD-DVD and blu-ray, however |
| [18:32:31] | iamlindoro: | ah, actually, I should amend-- |
| [18:32:38] | iamlindoro: | E-AC3 with spectral extension is used in France |
| [18:32:45] | Beirdo: | really? I coulda sworn I saw your pretty icon come up on an OTA recording |
| [18:32:57] | iamlindoro: | Not in this country |
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| [18:33:18] | Beirdo: | Well, the recording was OTA in Seattle, but maybe I misread the icon |
| [18:33:23] | Beirdo: | it rather surprised me |
| [18:33:39] | iamlindoro: | If it did, it would be a bug in our code rather than a statement of fact |
| [18:33:55] | iamlindoro: | Not saying it couldn't happen, just saying it was wrong if it did :) |
| [18:33:55] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: how far into this thing before they actually start talking about mythtv? |
| [18:33:59] | Beirdo: | OK, if I see it again, I'll look into it |
| [18:34:01] | Gibby: | I know I have posted this a couple times in the past week in the mythtv channel, but IRT TOA with Accuweather, anything specific I should request/mentoin? |
| [18:34:07] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I dunno, 5ish minutes maybe |
| [18:34:11] | Beirdo: | that recording would be long gon now |
| [18:34:29] | iamlindoro: | Gibby: Do you feel that you know MythWeather well enough to implement a grabber/how the internals work, etc? |
| [18:34:34] | Beirdo: | Gibby: do we have a copy of their TOS? |
| [18:34:47] | wagnerrp: | 'i can convert like a pro' |
| [18:34:59] | iamlindoro: | In short, we won't pay them anything, and won't give them anything, and won't sign any agreements |
| [18:35:15] | iamlindoro: | But we're happy to put a textual copyright notice in as necessary :P |
| [18:35:35] | Beirdo: | I'd be happy to create more scrapers if we have a TOS we can follow and agree to |
| [18:35:45] | Beirdo: | you're welcome to too, of course |
| [18:36:40] | Beirdo: | not sure if it's really a necessity, but meh :) more is good, if we are within TOS, etc. |
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| [18:37:16] | Gibby: | What about just an accuweather logo or something? |
| [18:37:27] | Beirdo: | we don't do that at this point |
| [18:37:42] | Beirdo: | we have space for textual copyright |
| [18:38:01] | sphery: | logo stamped on the weather images is fine, though |
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| [18:38:06] | Beirdo: | if we need to do an accuweather logo, let's hope it's in the images we get from them (if it's images) |
| [18:38:11] | wagnerrp: | why would you release a webradio show where you talk about your 'torrent box'? |
| [18:38:13] | Beirdo: | yeah. |
| [18:38:15] | Gibby: | ahh ok, there is the un official accuweather script now that i use, i figure i can start with that to write a grabber, they may write us one tho, there dev team is pretty good |
| [18:38:28] | Beirdo: | they don't need to |
| [18:38:33] | Gibby: | correct i know |
| [18:38:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you want the world to know you're helping distribute GNU/Linux ISOs? |
| [18:38:46] | wagnerrp: | er... it was "my friend's" torrent box |
| [18:38:51] | wagnerrp: | he corrected himself |
| [18:39:03] | Beirdo: | it's an evening's work for me, pretty much to implement another scraper set |
| [18:39:09] | wagnerrp: | 'it doesnt take the bandwidth away from my desktop' |
| [18:39:12] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHA |
| [18:39:14] | Beirdo: | and test it |
| [18:39:14] | Gibby: | we may need to do a logo for them to provide us it for free, usually all they require, they will provide it and it will be only show then the weather data is grabbed from accuweather |
| [18:39:48] | Beirdo: | we have no way to display such logos at this time |
| [18:39:49] | Gibby: | wagnerrrp, who do you use for TB? ovh? |
| [18:39:56] | wagnerrp: | TB? |
| [18:40:04] | iamlindoro: | tuberculosis |
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| [18:40:12] | Beirdo: | terabyte? |
| [18:40:15] | Gibby: | torrent box lol |
| [18:40:17] | iamlindoro: | Titty bar |
| [18:40:19] | wagnerrp: | tebibyte? |
| [18:40:23] | Gibby: | titty bar is good |
| [18:40:25] | wagnerrp: | i dont have a torrent box |
| [18:40:28] | iamlindoro: | Gibby: We don't steal |
| [18:40:34] | wagnerrp: | im mocking some webradio show talking about mythtv |
| [18:40:37] | iamlindoro: | So no need for a "torrent box" |
| [18:40:42] | Gibby: | oooo, miss read |
| [18:40:43] | iamlindoro: | thieves aren't welcome in our community |
| [18:40:49] | sphery: | wagnerrp: it was a mythtv thing that talked about torrenting? |
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| [18:40:55] | sphery: | arggghhhh! |
| [18:41:04] | Beirdo: | the only thing I use torrent for (occasionally) is to grab ubuntu images. |
| [18:41:10] | Gibby: | some people use torrents legally! |
| [18:41:31] | iamlindoro: | Only the nice people at blizzard |
| [18:41:33] | Beirdo: | yes, but it's too close to the hairy edge and many onlookers are too ill-informed to get that |
| [18:41:35] | iamlindoro: | everyone else is just a liar |
| [18:41:35] | wagnerrp: | Gibby: not many |
| [18:41:45] | sphery: | No wonder this happens: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/30/arts/televi . . . =rssuserland |
| [18:41:52] | Beirdo: | so... we have put the damper on it |
| [18:41:56] | Gibby: | a large set of companies are using them now instead of ftp servers |
| [18:42:06] | Beirdo: | good for them. They aren't mythtv :) |
| [18:42:17] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i used it to get a couple of the HDPVR test samples |
| [18:42:33] | sphery: | Gibby: yeah, that's why it took some people >6hrs to download Starcraft II--because Blizzard is too cheap to pay for their own bandwidth |
| [18:42:39] | Beirdo: | yeah, there are legit reasons. It is an interesting protocol |
| [18:42:52] | ** iamlindoro grumbles re: SCII ** | |
| [18:43:04] | Beirdo: | but... in the world of AV... it's usually used by the parrot-toting pirates |
| [18:43:11] | sphery: | and it wreaks havoc on the infrastructure, which was designed for large downstream and small upstream |
| [18:43:17] | sphery: | and users on a loop sharing their upstream |
| [18:43:18] | Beirdo: | and we don't want to be associated with it |
| [18:43:27] | Beirdo: | yeah, it hoses my firewall :) |
| [18:43:42] | Beirdo: | too many parallel connections |
| [18:43:48] | Gibby: | yes that i understand 100%, myth should not be associated with it |
| [18:43:58] | wagnerrp: | 'ensure that mythtv supports the capture card' |
| [18:44:05] | sphery: | Gibby: yeah, read that article I linked |
| [18:44:14] | wagnerrp: | how many times to we have to tell people, mythtv does not support capture cards |
| [18:44:32] | Beirdo: | HD Homerun excepted :) |
| [18:44:45] | Beirdo: | it's not a "card", but it has special support |
| [18:44:45] | Gibby: | sphery, i scanned, looks interesting |
| [18:44:51] | wagnerrp: | i used a 'HDPVR-1600' |
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| [18:45:02] | sphery: | basically, it paints MythTV as an application used to steal TV programming |
| [18:45:11] | wagnerrp: | christ... these people should not talk technical |
| [18:45:16] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:45:34] | Beirdo: | whereas, really, MythTV is more akin to a very spiffy auto-programming VCR |
| [18:45:39] | Gibby: | sphery: that is what i thought |
| [18:45:40] | johnnyj: | almost seems to paint mythtv as the reason it all started |
| [18:45:45] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:46:00] | Gibby: | i am confused, myth does not support capture cards? |
| [18:46:02] | Beirdo: | that was 5 years ago. wow |
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| [18:46:13] | Beirdo: | no it doesn't. The kernel drivers do |
| [18:46:16] | sphery: | it never outright says that, but between the title, the presentation, and such, it makes MythTV out to be the bad guy |
| [18:46:25] | johnnyj: | everyone knows bearshare was the instigator |
| [18:46:30] | Gibby: | 8 years ago actually |
| [18:46:41] | wagnerrp: | Gibby: mythtv supports various capture APIs |
| [18:46:49] | wagnerrp: | but we do not provide hardware driver support |
| [18:46:53] | Beirdo: | our application supports the APIs presented by the kernel |
| [18:47:10] | Gibby: | wagnerrp: understand now, terminology is the death of us all |
| [18:47:11] | Beirdo: | or rather... uses the APIs |
| [18:47:15] | Gibby: | brb coffee |
| [18:47:17] | dmz: | howdy; any mythbuntu users? i'm just installing a new 10.04 frontend and it's asking for a master backend security key; not familiar with that |
| [18:47:21] | wagnerrp: | xbmc supports netflix? news to me... |
| [18:47:47] | Beirdo: | I'm sure netflix would love to hear abou tthat |
| [18:47:54] | wagnerrp: | dmz: the 'backend security key' is a 4-digit pin that you can use for remote frontends to autodetect the backend |
| [18:48:02] | wagnerrp: | if you are only using one machine, dont worry about it |
| [18:48:16] | dmz: | no i've got a 1/2 dozen around the house |
| [18:48:21] | wagnerrp: | 'you have issues with us broadcast versus us cable' |
| [18:48:22] | dmz: | upgrading my machine in my office |
| [18:48:40] | wagnerrp: | i guess he never knew that cable and broadcast do not use the same channel map? |
| [18:48:43] | dmz: | use mainly minimyth for home machines; the one for the office needs more power (hulu) so i'm installing mythbuntu |
| [18:48:51] | skd5aner: | Gibby: are you a dev? I saw you a speaking with AccuWeather regarding MythTV possibly consuming data from them... any other devs going to be participating with you on that call? |
| [18:48:54] | dmz: | where can i setup the key @? |
| [18:49:01] | dmz: | it says mythtv-setup but i don't see an option there |
| [18:49:13] | wagnerrp: | dmz: on mythbuntu, it should default to 0000 |
| [18:49:52] | knightr: | Gibby: The unofficial Accuweather script tries to do something which is a lost cause as far as I am concerned (it tries to translate all the different strings Accuweather sends, would be better if the source would send them (one can always dream...)) and also seems to pretend it is something it is not (looks like it is changing the user-agent to look like Mozilla...) |
| [18:50:39] | knightr: | wagnerrp: Which one should do you think should be the default? (currently crafting locale files for stuartm...). |
| [18:50:42] | wagnerrp: | 'does it accept vcrplus codes?' |
| [18:50:43] | johnnyj: | Beirdo: the wunderground maps are nice, thanks |
| [18:50:55] | wagnerrp: | knightr: which what? |
| [18:51:12] | Beirdo: | johnnyj: no problem :) They are quite useful to have, especially after removing weather.com |
| [18:51:25] | knightr: | wagnerrp: us-bcast or us-cable? Which one should be the default for North America? |
| [18:51:34] | wagnerrp: | dont know |
| [18:52:36] | knightr: | wagnerrp: Would be tempted to choose us-bcast but I am biased I think... (-; |
| [18:53:16] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i would say us-bcast would probably be best |
| [18:53:24] | dmz: | ok so it defaults to 0000; so wehre do i set it / modify it? |
| [18:53:28] | knightr: | wagnerrp: How many cable companies still offer analog TV (only work for that any, no?) |
| [18:53:30] | wagnerrp: | im sure sphery would agree |
| [18:53:38] | wagnerrp: | mine is dropping it this month |
| [18:54:00] | knightr: | wagnerrp: So us-bcast is probably the safest bet, thanks! |
| [18:54:26] | wagnerrp: | hehehe... 'is only h.264, its large... its not like its xvid' |
| [18:54:33] | johnnyj: | hey if I want the channel up key to repeat when it's held down is that a lirc thing? |
| [18:54:41] | wagnerrp: | yes, because somehow xvid is a more efficient compressor than h264 |
| [18:55:10] | wagnerrp: | these guys are completely lost |
| [18:55:42] | sphery: | knightr: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . es/en_us.xml ??? we already have it choosing us-bcast |
| [18:56:02] | sphery: | (because, like wagnerrp thought, that's what I would choose--I made that file :) |
| [18:56:45] | johnnyj: | nm – found it – delay token |
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| [18:57:05] | sphery: | johnnyj: delay + repeat |
| [18:57:05] | iamlindoro: | knightr may be doing en_ca or fr_ca |
| [18:57:16] | sphery: | ahhh... that makes sense |
| [18:57:24] | knightr: | sphery: Oops, hadn't seen it existed for en_us... Will base myself on it... |
| [18:57:36] | sphery: | knightr: though it's a /very/ basic start for us |
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| [18:57:53] | knightr: | iamlindoro, sphery: Yep, had not seen it existed for en_us though... |
| [18:58:12] | wagnerrp: | lets see if they figure out that linuxmce is based off mythtv |
| [18:58:16] | iamlindoro: | It is dangerous to get too aggressive with the default settings-- they definitely need discussion |
| [18:58:17] | knightr: | sphery: is that an acceptable for vbiformat? Hadn't seen that one? |
| [18:58:30] | sphery: | knightr: there is no ATSC format for vbi |
| [18:58:53] | iamlindoro: | CC608/708, baby |
| [18:58:59] | iamlindoro: | who needs VBI |
| [18:59:00] | knightr: | sphery: so shouldn't we remove that setting from the file altogether? |
| [18:59:07] | sphery: | iamlindoro: ++ |
| [18:59:12] | iamlindoro: | knightr: no, why would we? |
| [18:59:41] | iamlindoro: | You want to prefer the correct VBI format when VBI exists, and there is none for ATSC-- so we prefer the only relevant VBI format for our locale, NTSC Closed Caption |
| [19:00:02] | sphery: | knightr: no, it sets up what we use for parsing the EIA-608 captions in the ATSC stream, plus what's used for ivtv and V4L recordings, plus old recordings |
| [19:00:08] | iamlindoro: | ATSC uses ATSC 608 and 708 Closed captions, which aren't done in VBI |
| [19:00:09] | Gibby: | knightr/skd5aner: initial email discussions with them and they might just be able to provide us a dedicated url to get to there database so we won't have change user-agent or anything, if not, i figured i could start with the old script and modify it to work our current needs |
| [19:00:10] | knightr: | iamlindoro: OK, I thought this was an invalid value... |
| [19:00:26] | sphery: | (Though if you're setting up a brand new MythTV database, in theory you have no old recordings... Since partial restores are stupid.) |
| [19:00:41] | sphery: | NTSC is good... ATSC doesn't exist for vbi. |
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| [19:01:04] | knightr: | sphery: vbi is used for CC, right? |
| [19:01:12] | sphery: | for analog CC |
| [19:01:13] | iamlindoro: | knightr: for *old* CC |
| [19:01:38] | iamlindoro: | modern Closed Captioning is a discrete stream, not in the Vertical Blanking Interval (onscreen) |
| [19:01:56] | knightr: | sphery, iamlindoro: I believe that's the setting I unset because I could no longer seek to the files MythTV made outside of MythTV... |
| [19:02:12] | knightr: | oops, seek on not seek to... |
| [19:02:17] | skd5aner: | Gibby: I'm not a dev, so my words only come from my perspective, but I would think you'd want to be fairly careful with how you talk with Accuweather... Unless you are officially recognized as a developer of the project you probaby should make it clear you do not officially represent MythTV |
| [19:02:37] | iamlindoro: | knightr: VBI shouldn't affect seeking in the slightest, and if it did, it definitely shouldn't in trunk |
| [19:02:38] | skd5aner: | that being said, it's good that *someone* is making a connection :) |
| [19:03:03] | Gibby: | skd5aner, i have some connections with them(family) so it is pretty easy |
| [19:03:04] | knightr: | Gibby: Do you think they could provide the info in other languages? (Spanish comes to mind, French maybe?) |
| [19:03:31] | iamlindoro: | I think indicating that you are an interested third party is a good idea |
| [19:03:36] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: are you the defacto mythweather owner now? |
| [19:03:40] | sphery: | knightr: So basically a file without a seek table? If that did have an effect, it may be something interesting to those trying to fix seeking without seek tables (elm ojo, for example). But, it shouldn't have an effect, and needs to be set to properly handle EIA-608 captions in ATSC recordings. |
| [19:03:51] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: yup |
| [19:04:01] | Gibby: | knightr: I am sure they can, once it is approved from the Accuweather, they will basically assign someone from there development team to provide us with what we need/help |
| [19:04:02] | wagnerrp: | he bought an xbox at gamespot... apparently they have brick-and-mortar stores now |
| [19:04:05] | knightr: | iamlindoro: When I had cc saved on my files almost no media player could seek on the files produced. When I removed it everything was OK... (will try to find my post on the ML, hold on...) |
| [19:04:07] | skd5aner: | Would it make sense for you to join Gibby in the conversation? |
| [19:04:12] | skd5aner: | or, let him run with it |
| [19:04:34] | iamlindoro: | knightr: OK, so you are not talking about MythTV seeking, then |
| [19:04:49] | Beirdo: | yeah, I guess it could, but if it's a personal connection, that's always a good thing too |
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| [19:04:55] | knightr: | sphery: I thought it was because of added stuff the media palyers could not deal with... |
| [19:05:07] | Beirdo: | but we do need to see good TOS that we are SURE we can abide with, etc |
| [19:05:23] | dmz: | so 0000 did something but it said it couldn't find database details; if anyone knows how to configure the backend to deal with the security key stuff a url would be much appreciated; otherwise i'll just set it up manually :) |
| [19:05:34] | sphery: | knightr: oh, if iamlindoro is right--seeking in non-MythTV programs is affected--that could be... It does have extra data in there, but MythTV knows how to read it. Others may not. |
| [19:05:45] | skd5aner: | again – I'm glad you're making strides Gibby, just wouldn't want any improper assumptions to be made that the MythTV devs (primiarly Beirdo who maintains the plugin) wouldn't necessarily agree to or make – it's good to be on the same page |
| [19:05:48] | Gibby: | we will have a good TOS, I am hoping we will be able to get a the digital weather people streams from them too |
| [19:05:52] | Beirdo: | unless his family is the CEO or corporate counsel... |
| [19:05:52] | knightr: | iamlindoro: yep... I have a PVR-150 and a PVR-500 so I get Mpeg files I wan't to play outside of MythTV and they got confused... |
| [19:06:16] | sphery: | dmz: mythtv-setup -p |
| [19:06:19] | knightr: | Gibby: Thanks! |
| [19:06:19] | Beirdo: | I'd hate to find out a few months later that "hey no, you aren't supposed to..." |
| [19:06:25] | skd5aner: | Gibby: just a suggestion :) |
| [19:06:29] | tgm4883: | dmz, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detail . . . ackend_Setup |
| [19:06:33] | sphery: | dmz: and make sure your firewall doesn't block multicast packets, IIRC |
| [19:06:59] | Beirdo: | right now, we have decent coverage for most people, I think |
| [19:07:02] | skd5aner: | Gibby: always good to collaborate on these kind of things |
| [19:07:05] | iamlindoro: | knightr: yeah, that's a deficiency in other players... since we are only concerned with people being able to play back their recordings in myth, it's a safe setting |
| [19:07:09] | tgm4883: | also, apparently 0000 disables it |
| [19:07:11] | Beirdo: | and we aren't looking at changing it for 0.24 for sure |
| [19:07:22] | iamlindoro: | The alternative is to have no VBI support by default, and that's not what we want |
| [19:07:25] | Gibby: | yes, i was told we needed a TOS first so that is the first step |
| [19:07:42] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: 0000 means everything passes |
| [19:07:48] | wagnerrp: | leaving it blank disables it entirely |
| [19:07:50] | knightr: | iamlindoro: Are you sure you want to have people making tickets about it? (-; |
| [19:07:54] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [19:07:59] | sphery: | tgm4883: that's wrong... 0000 means permit everyone to connect and request DB credentials... what wagnerrp said |
| [19:08:04] | iamlindoro: | knightr: They can do whatever they want, they'd be closed invalid |
| [19:08:09] | ** sphery is too slow ** | |
| [19:08:10] | Beirdo: | Gibby: if you are running trunk, you could show said person mythweather running as it is now, configured with some sample screens |
| [19:08:30] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, sphery I was just reading from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detail . . . ackend_Setup |
| [19:08:36] | tgm4883: | that needs clarified then |
| [19:08:38] | sphery: | tgm4883: yeah, I'm fixing it now |
| [19:08:49] | tgm4883: | sphery, thanks |
| [19:08:57] | iamlindoro: | knightr: Myth needs to have VBI support working by default-- disabling it entirely by default for the edge case of a) certain capture types and b) certain container types and c) for purposes of playing recordings not in myth is just plain silly |
| [19:09:08] | Gibby: | Beirdo: That is my plan, I have an ATT web conf so my plan is to use that and show them some of the mythweather screens |
| [19:09:26] | Beirdo: | Gibby: that way the person sees what kind of copyright notice we have, etc |
| [19:09:39] | iamlindoro: | He is running .23, however |
| [19:09:51] | Gibby: | Beirdo, .23.1 |
| [19:09:59] | knightr: | iamlindoro: I'm not sure my PS3 like these files either and probably other UPNP media players might be confused though... It's your call though... |
| [19:10:05] | dmz: | ahh -p; thanks sphery tgm4883 |
| [19:10:11] | tgm4883: | np |
| [19:10:14] | Gibby: | HVR-1600 is a IVTV card? |
| [19:10:21] | Beirdo: | hmm, the new stuff is only in trunk |
| [19:10:35] | skd5aner: | I think the copyright thing is very important to bring up... |
| [19:10:39] | iamlindoro: | knightr: again, disabling VBI support as a default for an issue that only affects certain cards, containers, and only when trying to play on non-Myth isn't going to happen |
| [19:10:40] | skd5aner: | the new stuff you committed Beirdo |
| [19:10:46] | Gibby: | Beirdo, is it the copy right at the bottom of the page? |
| [19:10:59] | Beirdo: | various places, depending on theming |
| [19:11:05] | wondra: | Question: Is it normal that in the Windows port of MythTV every menu option other than LiveTV charses the frontend? |
| [19:11:09] | knightr: | imalindoro: Weird thing is vlc was confused too I think, isn't it using the same libs as Myth? |
| [19:11:26] | Beirdo: | and as of now, we refuse to display unattributed (i.e. no copyright text) screens |
| [19:11:45] | iamlindoro: | knightr: Some yes, some no-- they have their own demuxer for TS and we have our own for Nuppel |
| [19:11:55] | skd5aner: | I still think it would make sense if Beirdo could participate in the web conference... he being a part of the conversation gives it a bit more weight since he owns the plugin and can speak to where it's going and the rules it will follow |
| [19:12:01] | Gibby: | or is it a MJPEG card? |
| [19:12:02] | skd5aner: | Gibby: ^^ |
| [19:12:13] | knightr: | iamlindoro: Thanks for the info... |
| [19:12:15] | kormoc: | web conference? |
| [19:12:36] | iamlindoro: | wondra: Doesn't happen for me, Windows port works great here-- sounds like a broken build/broken build environemtn |
| [19:12:50] | sphery: | dmz: seems -p is only on mythbackend and mythfrontend--so just go to that page in mythtv-setup General Settings |
| [19:12:54] | Beirdo: | I won't have time for that for a while, though. we are in a release cycle now, and it might be hard to slot that all in. |
| [19:12:58] | skd5aner: | kormoc: read backlog – short version, Gibby has arranged a brief meeting with Accuweather tomorrow to see if they might be able to provide MythTV with a TOS and web service |
| [19:13:20] | kormoc: | ahh, nice |
| [19:13:23] | sphery: | i.e. no need to prompt before starting mythtv-setup since mythtv-setup shouldn't be run when the backend is running (so wouldn't find the backend, anyway) |
| [19:13:29] | wondra: | iamlindoro: it's the pre-built version from web. but no precisely the same version as the backend. |
| [19:13:45] | iamlindoro: | wondra: Can't speak to anyone's pre-built version, we don't provide binaries |
| [19:13:47] | skd5aner: | kormoc: I'm suggesting to Gibby that he include Beirdo from the start of those discussions :) |
| [19:13:54] | iamlindoro: | Just know that building it oneself definitely works fine |
| [19:14:17] | skd5aner: | ... to help advise, etc. |
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| [19:14:35] | knightr: | iamlindoro: Got a question for you... What replaces mtd now that it's removed? |
| [19:14:41] | Beirdo: | we can use another dev just as easily, of course. But not sure how many others have seen much of the weather code |
| [19:15:11] | iamlindoro: | knightr: Whatever the user wants to use.. handbrake, DVDRip, whatever |
| [19:15:40] | knightr: | OK so we make the file outside and scan for it then? |
| [19:15:45] | Beirdo: | Gibby: but either way, I'd really suggest the use of the mythweather in trunk. I know that makes your life more miserable |
| [19:15:56] | iamlindoro: | knightr: correct |
| [19:16:04] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: Well, just the credibility you would bring to the discussion with A) You know the code B) You are maintaining the code and C) You're an official dev would add a lot of credibility to trying to negotiate anything – IMHO |
| [19:16:15] | Gibby: | Beirdo, hmm let me check to see if that would be the 0.24 package from mythbuntu |
| [19:16:27] | knightr: | iamlindoro: Thanks, had been wondering about that for a while (since you (I think) removed it)... |
| [19:16:41] | iamlindoro: | yes, I removed it |
| [19:17:06] | Beirdo: | Gibby: I'd expect so |
| [19:17:25] | sphery: | iamlindoro: and I'm so glad you did :) |
| [19:17:38] | Gibby: | FYI, that patch i believed fixed my scanning issue, however, it is not locking on any channels |
| [19:17:49] | sphery: | There's should only be one MTD in MythTV |
| [19:18:10] | wagnerrp: | s/mtd/job daemon/ |
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| [19:21:24] | knightr: | iamlindoro, sphery: FYI, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/396386 |
| [19:22:44] | knightr: | sphery: What's that about another MTD? |
| [19:22:55] | Gibby: | Beirdo: Updating to trunk now |
| [19:22:56] | wagnerrp: | knightr: ive got no problem playing them on windows with the directshow codecs |
| [19:23:03] | wagnerrp: | either with zoomplayer or WMP |
| [19:23:13] | wagnerrp: | knightr: MTD = mythtranscodedaemon |
| [19:23:25] | iamlindoro: | MTD = Michael T Dean |
| [19:23:32] | sphery: | knightr: hmmm... I'd guess that means that means VLC doesn't have support for ivtv's embedded VBI format |
| [19:23:37] | wagnerrp: | it was an external daemon spawned off by the frontend for the purposes of DVD encoding |
| [19:23:48] | knightr: | (-; (-; (-; |
| [19:23:52] | sphery: | or didn't have support... |
| [19:23:53] | wagnerrp: | heh... i didnt even get that one |
| [19:23:59] | sphery: | and, yeah, that's the 2 mtds |
| [19:24:40] | skd5aner: | so sphery's the reason why I'm not happy with the transcoder eh? |
| [19:24:42] | knightr: | sphery: I'll check and if it still has the problem I'll submit a ticket (they must have their own issue tracker too...) |
| [19:24:46] | skd5aner: | it all makes sense now |
| [19:24:52] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [19:25:09] | sphery: | knightr: no idea how up-to-date the page is, but http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:vbi says only MythTV, mplayer, and ccextractor support the format. |
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| [19:25:36] | knightr: | wagnerrp: I'll recheck with the directshow codec... PC was changed though so maybe the problem got corrected by itself... |
| [19:25:38] | wagnerrp: | i must have VBI disabled on my recordings |
| [19:25:54] | wagnerrp: | knightr: im just using ffdshow for all my windows decoding |
| [19:26:00] | knightr: | sphery: Definitely goo info, thanks! |
| [19:26:34] | knightr: | wagnerrp: thank, will try it too... |
| [19:26:34] | Beirdo: | OK, half an hour to recaffienate |
| [19:26:50] | Beirdo: | then I get to go interview someone. bleh |
| [19:27:36] | sphery: | knightr: history shows it was last edited on 7 June 2008 (when moved to the new wiki), so it may be very old |
| [19:27:55] | knightr: | sphery et al: Think it would be possible (easily, not be recoding the thing) to remove it from what's sent using UPNP? |
| [19:28:03] | Gibby: | Figured out the scanning issue... had to add the digital tuner as another card |
| [19:28:16] | sphery: | knightr: remove the private stream? |
| [19:28:47] | Beirdo: | you want to remux on the fly in UPnP? |
| [19:28:54] | ** Beirdo shudders ** | |
| [19:28:55] | knightr: | sphery: Info might not be up to date but if the problem is still there that's good info to give the the VLC developers if they want to address the issue... |
| [19:29:04] | sphery: | true |
| [19:29:05] | Beirdo: | I guess it could happen. |
| [19:29:50] | Beirdo: | dunno if I'd consider that "simple" though |
| [19:29:57] | knightr: | sphery, Beirdo: Remove that additionnal tid bit of info... Is that a PITA to do or is that an easy fix? |
| [19:30:00] | Beirdo: | maybe I'm misunderstanding |
| [19:30:10] | knightr: | Beirdo: ok, just read your reply... |
| [19:30:24] | Beirdo: | right now, the UPnP streaming takes whatever file is on the drive and shoves it out the pipe |
| [19:31:26] | knightr: | Beirdo: Does it understand the structure of what it is streaming or is it stream whatever it is asked to stream without bothering about its format? |
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| [19:32:01] | knightr: | (or does it stream not is it stream... Geez, I need another coffee...) |
| [19:32:06] | Beirdo: | it determines a mime type based on extension, and supports byte offsets for rewind/FF support |
| [19:32:20] | Beirdo: | other than that, it just stuffs it out the pipe |
| [19:32:57] | knightr: | Beirdo: ok, so that's not an easy thing to do... |
| [19:33:17] | Beirdo: | granted, there's room for improvement :) but that's the nature of the beast so far |
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| [19:34:36] | knightr: | Beirdo: it's not supposed to have to do that stuff anyway so that's no problem... Would have been nice to have it remove the stuff that's too Myth specific but it is not its job... |
| [19:35:39] | Beirdo: | I've been considering a lightweight remux support so I can renumber PTS discontinuities |
| [19:35:57] | Beirdo: | but I'm not sure how easy that will be to do on the fly... or how involved it may get |
| [19:36:10] | knightr: | Beirdo: What's PTS? |
| [19:36:15] | Beirdo: | I stuck it on the back burner for now |
| [19:36:20] | Beirdo: | presentation time stamp |
| [19:36:58] | Beirdo: | basically if you cut out chunks (like commercial skipping, which is what I want to do), then the timestamp of the AV streams has a big hole in it |
| [19:37:14] | Beirdo: | which the UPnP client doesn't like. |
| [19:37:47] | knightr: | Beirdo: And that's a problem? As long as they go don't go back in time why should it be a problem? |
| [19:37:54] | Beirdo: | because :) |
| [19:38:04] | Beirdo: | you chop out 3 minutes of commercials... |
| [19:38:12] | sphery: | if only "the UPnP client" were the goal... Instead, you have to make it work with /all/ implementations of UPnP clients--no matter how close to the spec they happen to be... :) |
| [19:38:30] | Beirdo: | my TV (which does the UPnP client in it) decides to black-screen for 3 minutes until the timestamps are right |
| [19:38:55] | knightr: | Beirdo: Ouch, that's not nice... I understand why you want to do that... |
| [19:39:05] | wagnerrp: | knightr: for instance, with my directshow player, it will handle the 'gaps' fine and just continue playback |
| [19:39:08] | Beirdo: | so... if I cut chunks out, I need to tweak timestamps or otherwise make them happy |
| [19:39:13] | wagnerrp: | but if you try to seek to a point inside that missing chunk |
| [19:39:17] | wagnerrp: | it gets all hosed up |
| [19:39:21] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [19:39:22] | Beirdo: | ouch |
| [19:39:38] | wagnerrp: | and you usually end up having to terminate it and re-open |
| [19:39:42] | sphery: | my mythfrontend player seems to handle all my video... ;) |
| [19:40:00] | Beirdo: | sphery: yes, it does |
| [19:40:02] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:40:06] | knightr: | Beirdo: But shouldn't that be done when you cut stuff (I guess it doesn't bother Myth so that's why it's not done there because of the overall or renumeroting the entire file...) |
| [19:40:22] | Beirdo: | well, I'm not cutting and creating a new file |
| [19:40:28] | Beirdo: | I'm cutting on the fly |
| [19:41:02] | knightr: | Beirdo: OK, you mean you remove the add when you are streaming it using UPNP, they are still there... |
| [19:41:20] | knightr: | (remove the ads, not remove the add...) |
| [19:42:05] | Beirdo: | I just use the cutpoints (or commflags) in the markup table to indicate what sections of the file to actually send, and calculate where in the file it is based on the keyframe markings in the markup table |
| [19:42:36] | knightr: | wagnerrp: Nice, it really depend on the implementation of the player and even then it somes get confused... |
| [19:42:42] | Beirdo: | but anyways, this is post 0.24 for sure as it is NOT ready as of the end of the Sunday earlier this week |
| [19:43:12] | Beirdo: | it's a royal pain though. :) |
| [19:43:28] | knightr: | Beirdo: Always running trunk here so I'm looking forward to it anyway... (-; |
| [19:44:08] | knightr: | Beirdo: Pretty sure it is... |
| [19:44:09] | Beirdo: | once 0.24 is out, we'll be reevaluating what order what gets done, not sure when I'll get to finish this, but it would be nice :) |
| [19:44:42] | Beirdo: | wish my TV had a bit more oomph though |
| [19:45:01] | Beirdo: | the streamed H.264 fails at 1080i a fair amount of the time |
| [19:45:15] | Beirdo: | works fine at 720p H.264 though and 480i/p |
| [19:45:20] | Beirdo: | and with MPEG2 |
| [19:45:21] | knightr: | Beirdo: And it's supposed to support it? |
| [19:45:29] | Beirdo: | like they tell you :) |
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| [19:45:53] | Beirdo: | it just seems to use about 105% CPU in the TV. |
| [19:46:12] | Beirdo: | even the remote control goes useless as it can't respond to it |
| [19:46:24] | Beirdo: | almost workin, but not quite |
| [19:46:41] | knightr: | Beirdo: I thought they had so many chips that can accelerate decoding nowadays that it should not be much of a problem nowadays... |
| [19:47:04] | Beirdo: | well, who knows... I'm not gonna rip the TV open to find out |
| [19:47:05] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:47:12] | knightr: | Beirdo: Which tv do you have? |
| [19:47:28] | Beirdo: | Samsung 32C550 I think is the model |
| [19:47:44] | knightr: | Beirdo: Don't tell me you don't want to rewrite its firmware... (-; (-; |
| [19:47:52] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [19:48:05] | Beirdo: | I'll leave it to the Koreans who wrote it in the first place :) |
| [19:48:09] | justinh: | eew I thought they just offloaded everything to a media processor |
| [19:48:16] | Beirdo: | be nice if the bloody thing did Netflix |
| [19:48:20] | justinh: | but then no doubt the same media processor is also the CPU |
| [19:48:20] | Beirdo: | they might |
| [19:48:42] | Beirdo: | yeah... it becomes... a bit catatonic if you hit it with 1080i H.264 :) |
| [19:48:52] | knightr: | Beirdo: no place for a crystal hd in there? (-; |
| [19:49:03] | Beirdo: | doubt it |
| [19:49:20] | Beirdo: | I wish my little atom box could take one though |
| [19:49:24] | justinh: | the codecs engineered by the company I work for owns... they can't do h.264 over SD resolutions |
| [19:49:26] | Beirdo: | that would be snazzy |
| [19:49:43] | Beirdo: | justinh: ouch. |
| [19:50:06] | knightr: | Beirdo: Think I read about some tvs running Linux but if the rest of the hardware is proprietary... |
| [19:50:22] | justinh: | yeh we made this development board for use as a general STB/media platform & it won't even do basic HD... hahahahaha |
| [19:50:32] | knightr: | Beirdo: Can't you put a 8400GS in your Atom box? |
| [19:50:41] | justinh: | knightr: most likely are linux-based |
| [19:50:48] | wagnerrp: | knightr: technically TiVos run linux too |
| [19:50:56] | wagnerrp: | but that doesnt mean you can actually do anything with it |
| [19:50:58] | justinh: | but that doesn't mean you'll ever see the source for whatever drives the decoding |
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| [19:51:09] | wagnerrp: | video processing is all kept separate from the CPU |
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| [19:51:42] | knightr: | justinh: but most probably with hardware with no docs or closed source drivers... |
| [19:51:43] | wagnerrp: | it just tells the rest of the hardware what to do |
| [19:51:45] | justinh: | then again though, when you reckon how many TVs can do flash now.. they must be doing something specialish |
| [19:52:06] | wagnerrp: | justinh: do the TVs actually do flash? |
| [19:52:14] | justinh: | knightr: have you seen a recent decoder chipset spec sheet? ever tried to get real docs? yikes |
| [19:52:19] | Beirdo: | knightr: my Atom box is the size of a book. |
| [19:52:22] | wagnerrp: | or have they just worked up alternate content access methods |
| [19:52:22] | Beirdo: | so no |
| [19:52:42] | Beirdo: | anyways, time to get ready to interview a potential new coworker |
| [19:53:00] | justinh: | I tried getting some data from conexant through our purchasing dept about a simple mpeg2 encoding chip.. anyhoo the alarm bells rang at their end, wanted to come over with an NDA to sign |
| [19:53:34] | justinh: | you talk $10,000 or so for the dev kit, sign your life away with the NDA & off you go |
| [19:54:02] | justinh: | it's less about the silicon & more (much more) about the IP these days :-\ |
| [19:54:23] | knightr: | wagnerrp: yep but from what I understand it's not one of the best example of respecting the GPL... |
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| [19:55:37] | knightr: | justinh: Some manufacturer are nicer in this regard, no (at least Broadcom when it comes to the Crystal HD, I do know that for other products they are apparently a pain to deal with...) |
| [19:56:22] | knightr: | Beirdo: OK, miine are bigger than that (Zbox is small though but not that small...) |
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| [19:57:43] | knightr: | justinh: Remind them when I asked my cell phone provider about their TAP port many years ago.. They started treating me like I was some sort of criminal because they had been trained to consider that question suspect... |
| [19:58:03] | knightr: | oops, I meant Reminds me, not Remind them... |
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| [19:59:54] | knightr: | justinh: As long as they provide you with close source drivers (if that's for a business) and the API, why would they want to have you sign a NDA? |
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| [20:00:57] | knightr: | justinh: Anyway, most of the IP is in the internal processing of that thing anyway, what's so important about protecting how to talk to it? |
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| [20:06:30] | Gibby: | 2 issues after i upgraded to trunk, 1 the fronend freezes on watch tv and mythweather doesn't start... |
| [20:07:50] | knightr: | Beirdo: Goodbye... |
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| [20:10:54] | knightr: | Setting away mode, will be back later... |
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| [20:27:03] | justinh: | NDAs are necessary for all kinds of reasons.. like not letting the reference design fall into the wrong hands.. and the driver source.. and the demo app source... yada yada. Hey if I could get away with selling my ideas like that so would I |
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| [20:28:56] | Gibby: | hmmm all fronends are hanging now |
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| [20:39:02] | Gibby: | uhoh, my backend can't even connect to its database |
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| [20:40:36] | Gibby: | should i have 3 "mythtv" users in mysql? |
| [20:42:39] | wagnerrp: | if you have different passwords, or different per-machine logins |
| [20:42:59] | Gibby: | hmm, it shows the encrypted password as the same for all 3 |
| [20:43:51] | sphery: | or if you have different hosts and you don't want to use wildcards |
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| [20:44:05] | sphery: | the important question is what is the host for each |
| [20:44:15] | wagnerrp: | that would be... per-machine logins |
| [20:44:43] | sphery: | I was just clarifying that it doesn't have to mean different passwords on different hosts |
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| [20:45:14] | Gibby: | 2 where any and the other was localhost only |
| [20:48:26] | sphery: | Beirdo: no idea what the power profile is like, but http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/09/new_arm/ is interesting |
| [20:48:27] | Gibby: | hmm ok, so that shouldn't be the issue then |
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| [20:48:56] | Gibby: | what would cause the backend to not be able to connect to the database? |
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| [20:49:34] | sphery: | Gibby: it's probably the MySQL permissions... they're very complex |
| [20:49:56] | Gibby: | hmm wonder how they got messed up with in 10 minutes |
| [20:50:22] | sphery: | did you run mc.sql? |
| [20:50:31] | Gibby: | nope |
| [20:51:20] | sphery: | if you didn't change any permissions, then it could be anything from a broken Qt setup without the MySQL driver to a not-running mysqld or a my.cnf that disables networking or ... |
| [20:51:47] | Gibby: | i have stopped and started mysqld |
| [20:52:42] | sphery: | you restarted mysqld before the problems started, too? |
| [20:53:02] | sphery: | if so, a change may have been made to privileges, but privileges hadn't been flushed, so it wasn't using that change |
| [20:53:24] | Gibby: | yes |
| [20:54:11] | Gibby: | i was in the backend did the channel scan, picked up some OTA channels, tried it from the frontend, the frontend would hang when i selected watch tv, went backend to the backend and it kapoof from there |
| [20:55:54] | Gibby: | mythfilldatabase works tho and connects to the database |
| [20:56:35] | Gibby: | there are 10 database connections also |
| [20:57:00] | sphery: | then it's most likely a problem with one of the mysql.txt or config.xml files on your system |
| [20:57:24] | Beirdo: | sphery: my issue isn't that ARM isn't good. it's that ARM + linux is a morass of unsupported and supported options. |
| [20:57:59] | Beirdo: | and many of the devices that come with ARM aren't *meant* to be reinstallable by humans |
| [20:58:03] | Beirdo: | etc. |
| [20:58:18] | Gibby: | on the backend and all 3 frontends? at the same exact time.... |
| [21:00:11] | Beirdo: | sphery: did you want to be looking into my slowish frontend startups/ |
| [21:00:48] | Beirdo: | assuming that no show-stoppers come along tonight, we could poke that a bit |
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| [21:05:02] | Gibby: | ok maybe chasing the wrong issue, my frontend logs shows it connects to the data base, myth control centre fails on test connection show |
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| [21:05:27] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, I'll admit arm is a mess when it comes to easily getting a comfortable OS, but then again, if you're settling for Atom's power profile, I still think you should just choose an appropriate Core 2 Duo or whatever that typically runs the same power usage, but has some overhead |
| [21:05:40] | sphery: | and, yeah, it would be nice to take a look at that tonight |
| [21:05:52] | Beirdo: | K. |
| [21:05:55] | wagnerrp: | s/overhead/headroom/ |
| [21:06:07] | Beirdo: | yeah, if those "home servers" were Core 2 Duo, I'd be even happier :) |
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| [21:06:18] | sphery: | that would be nice |
| [21:06:32] | sphery: | I'm really hoping Sandy Bridge is Core 2 or better performance |
| [21:06:56] | sphery: | AMD is promising Athlon II or better performance for the Ontario and Llano chips |
| [21:07:09] | sphery: | if Intel does similarly, I'll be a supporter of both |
| [21:07:18] | iamlindoro: | But only i you can pronounce "llano" |
| [21:07:21] | Beirdo: | well, if they can get similar devices out, Atom-free, sweet |
| [21:07:41] | Beirdo: | meanwhile, I can make do for a fileserver/backend at a reasonably price |
| [21:08:48] | Gibby: | ahh ok, read the myth control centre issue wrong, it says it can not connect to the backend with the pin 0000 |
| [21:08:53] | Gibby: | looks like mysql is fine |
| [21:08:57] | sphery: | Beirdo: first test should be commenting out mainWindow->ResetKeys(); |
| [21:09:03] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: that I can do... just not carry a conversation :) |
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| [21:09:25] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [21:09:45] | Beirdo: | do we NEED that? |
| [21:10:01] | sphery: | depends on who you mean by we |
| [21:10:18] | Beirdo: | OK, do we need it running every time the frontend starts |
| [21:10:22] | sphery: | we do need functionality it provides |
| [21:10:24] | Beirdo: | that would be a better question |
| [21:10:38] | sphery: | it's doing it very inefficiently, though |
| [21:10:45] | Beirdo: | k |
| [21:10:55] | Beirdo: | well, I can test that theory easily enough |
| [21:10:57] | Beirdo: | one moment |
| [21:11:28] | sphery: | if you don't have that, some users won't have key bindings defined until they stop/restart the frontend (i.e. we register all the keys before we create the DB--which doesn't help) |
| [21:11:41] | sphery: | also, it fixes any changed key binding descriptions on every run |
| [21:11:42] | Beirdo: | eww |
| [21:12:17] | sphery: | and it ensures that all keys are properly bound once we're running |
| [21:12:55] | Beirdo: | gah |
| [21:12:58] | Beirdo: | wrong one |
| [21:13:05] | Beirdo: | WriteDefaults() |
| [21:13:06] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/24839 ... In my tests, it was milliseconds |
| [21:13:15] | sphery: | WriteDefaults() is doing it? |
| [21:13:30] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–09 14:12:46.400 About to write defaults |
| [21:13:30] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–09 14:13:03.560 Launching: ps -ae | grep pulseaudio > /dev/null |
| [21:13:44] | sphery: | that was there before... |
| [21:13:55] | sphery: | IIRC, it writes out every single setting |
| [21:13:56] | Beirdo: | the delay though |
| [21:14:10] | Beirdo: | it wasn't ResetKeys |
| [21:14:12] | sphery: | wonder if the external processes are a contributing factor, too... |
| [21:15:09] | sphery: | (not saying the myth_system() rewrite--just the running of random external programs) |
| [21:15:54] | sphery: | Beirdo: it /really/ sounds like someone is locking one or more of your tables and the DB is just timing out the lock after 15s |
| [21:16:02] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–09 14:15:17.115 About to write defaults |
| [21:16:02] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–09 14:15:17.116 About to reset keys |
| [21:16:13] | Beirdo: | with the call to WriteDefaults() #if 0 |
| [21:16:15] | sphery: | I don't know who would hold a lock for >15s, though |
| [21:16:33] | sphery: | and the About to init jump points came quick after? |
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| [21:17:06] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–09 14:15:17.153 About to init jump points |
| [21:17:26] | Beirdo: | it ripped right through there without WriteDefaults |
| [21:17:29] | sphery: | yeah, that's about how long reset keys took for me, too |
| [21:17:42] | sphery: | (though it is inefficient, it's not heavyweight) |
| [21:18:02] | sphery: | Oh, I have an idea... Let's just get rid of all the settings. |
| [21:18:18] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:18:20] | Beirdo: | done! |
| [21:18:22] | Beirdo: | oh wait |
| [21:18:32] | sphery: | that would fix WriteDefaults() slowness, it would mean we don't need to rework setup, and makes it easier to tell how users' systems are configured |
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| [21:19:12] | Beirdo: | hehh |
| [21:19:29] | Beirdo: | so I can instrument WriteDefaults |
| [21:19:47] | Gibby: | Does this make any sense? 2010-09–09 17:17:01.904 Error: container 'mythweather' is missing child 'update_text' |
| [21:20:16] | sphery: | I'm /still/ very upset with Trac over [24839] |
| [21:20:33] | sphery: | I have no clue why it suggests I changed 500 lines of code |
| [21:21:11] | sphery: | I added one ~20-line function and changed maybe 3 other lines |
| [21:21:21] | Beirdo: | I bet you converted TAB->spaces or soemthing |
| [21:21:29] | Beirdo: | it's probably all whitespace |
| [21:21:37] | sphery: | no, it's not |
| [21:21:45] | sphery: | there's absolutely no difference in those lines |
| [21:21:52] | sphery: | I verified after it said that |
| [21:22:12] | sphery: | and my editor doesn't change whitespace--only I do :) |
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| [21:22:30] | Beirdo: | well, I dunno |
| [21:22:39] | Beirdo: | Gibby: never seen that one before |
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| [21:22:55] | sphery: | Gibby: sounds like a broken/old theme |
| [21:23:23] | sphery: | Beirdo: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ain.cpp#L689 ... ugly code |
| [21:23:28] | Gibby: | hmmm errr, ok, i updated to trunk and no i have these 2 issue weather and live tv |
| [21:24:35] | Gibby: | frontend log when trying to watch tv: http://pastebin.com/yGZTp0cv |
| [21:24:39] | sphery: | Beirdo: one of the things done during that phase is creation of every single widget for setup. Those widgets that try to auto-guess values may take some time |
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| [21:25:12] | Beirdo: | yeah, I know... I'm putting logging around each call |
| [21:25:13] | Gibby: | backend log when trying to watch tv: http://pastebin.com/PehJpAzp |
| [21:25:16] | sphery: | one of them actually runs some code to probe audio devices... I thought it was only supposed to do it when the users asks it to, but if it's doing it on initial startup, that could explain it |
| [21:25:20] | Beirdo: | see if there's one that's a pain or what |
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| [21:26:27] | sphery: | Beirdo: if you comment out lines 699 – 701, does it get fast? (I guess your log messages will tell if that's the slow one) |
| [21:27:28] | Beirdo: | stupid heisenbug now |
| [21:27:34] | Beirdo: | let me try again |
| [21:27:44] | sphery: | those are fun |
| [21:28:22] | Beirdo: | now it goes right through |
| [21:28:31] | Beirdo: | the schema checking, etc above... |
| [21:28:39] | Beirdo: | is it done in a separate thread? |
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| [21:30:03] | sphery: | no, schema checking is in the main UI thread |
| [21:30:26] | Beirdo: | K. It seems to be a race condition though |
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| [21:30:59] | Beirdo: | I log before each .Load and .Save and it motors right through |
| [21:31:01] | Gibby: | ok, i am going to skip fixing the watch tv right now and go to the weather so i can have it ready for the webex.... |
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| [21:34:57] | xris: | I love coming home from a week-long trip to find my mythbox crashed the day after I left... |
| [21:35:57] | sphery: | Beirdo: what about #if 0'ing and not the code in lines 699–701? does that trigger the difference? |
| [21:36:09] | sphery: | xris: isn't that the way it always works |
| [21:37:00] | xris: | sphery: yeah. now I have to rely on other means (meaning using my imac to watch the shows on the network websites) |
| [21:37:28] | sphery: | due to my (formerly, very frequent) travel schedule, I made a lot of changes to my system to make those crashes-and-doesn't-recover situations far less likely |
| [21:37:52] | Gibby: | Beirdo: I don't see anything extra in mythweather IRT copywrite |
| [21:37:56] | Gibby: | copyright |
| [21:38:37] | skd5aner: | sphery: like what? I travel enough that it seems like the only time I get crashes is when I'm not here :P |
| [21:39:01] | sphery: | the thing that helped the most was removing my UPS from the system and just plugging directly into the wall. Hard on the equipment/file systems (but, hey, if you've got a journal, why not use it? ;), but no longer have the problems caused by the circuit breaker on the UPS tripping and then the UPS refusing to pass power until a person hits a reset button. |
| [21:39:17] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, exactly--box only crashes when you're not there to notice |
| [21:39:23] | xris: | sphery: my PDU died |
| [21:39:25] | sphery: | "A watched box never crashes" |
| [21:39:44] | xris: | not even something I could have anticipaTED |
| [21:39:56] | xris: | must have had a surge or blackout and it came back in a weird state. |
| [21:40:10] | xris: | I had to unplug everything from it, and it from the wall.. wait, and then it came back on the third try. |
| [21:40:35] | sphery: | yeah, that was 90% of the problems I had--UPS didn't go into the proper state after a big surge or blink or whatever |
| [21:41:00] | sphery: | (though mine was without the PDU, it sounds like a similar issue) |
| [21:43:02] | kormoc: | PDU or power supply? |
| [21:47:19] | justinh: | if the main breaker goes in the house for the downstairs electrickery I have a lot more to worry about than lost recordings |
| [21:47:29] | justinh: | like 2 freezers :) |
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| [21:49:34] | justinh: | if a watched box never crashes everybody should just put a webcam on it ;-) |
| [21:49:51] | Beirdo: | sphery: one sec |
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| [21:51:16] | sphery: | justinh: yeah, my house breakers were fine--it's the stupid tiny ones in the UPS's from APC, etc. |
| [21:51:16] | Gibby: | is there a way to change the theme in a config file? |
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| [21:51:31] | sphery: | actually, it's the "smarts" in the UPS that were the issue |
| [21:51:55] | sphery: | Gibby: no, if you have a broken theme, you should change it in frontend settings under Appearance |
| [21:51:58] | Gibby: | my UPS fried my LCD monitor last week had to replace a transformer in it |
| [21:52:12] | Gibby: | sphery, i can't get that far, only can see the blue background |
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| [21:52:44] | sphery: | Gibby: then you can do a single-use override with mythfrontend -O Theme=Terra , then go to Appearance Settings and change the theme, then exit |
| [21:52:52] | sphery: | it will not change until you exit mythfrontend and restart |
| [21:52:59] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–09 14:52:08.214 About to write defaults |
| [21:53:06] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–09 14:52:09.604 About to reset keys |
| [21:53:21] | sphery: | Beirdo: that's with the General settings reset commented? |
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| [21:54:05] | Beirdo: | yeah, #if 0 around the 699–701, removed the per-Load, per-Save logging |
| [21:54:38] | Beirdo: | let me try with it not if 0 again |
| [21:56:29] | Beirdo: | now it's being fast |
| [21:56:46] | sphery: | makes testing very difficult |
| [21:56:54] | Beirdo: | give me 5 min until it's recording |
| [21:57:04] | Beirdo: | maybe it's a database is busy issue |
| [21:59:46] | Beirdo: | wish it were more consistently screwy |
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| [22:02:20] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [22:02:25] | Beirdo: | 4s that time |
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| [22:10:43] | Gibby: | I get this when trying to watch live TV: http://pastebin.com/dhzXJ9WL |
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| [22:13:28] | Spida: | if I change the SP profile in mytharchive to the settings of the HQ profile I get an iso of 15MB for a 4hour recording. |
| [22:13:35] | Beirdo: | Gibby: and... |
| [22:14:10] | Gibby: | I doesn't show anything, just a blackscreen |
| [22:15:14] | Spida: | http://spida.net/tmp/mythburn.log |
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| [22:15:24] | Spida: | **ERROR: [mplex] Too many frame drops -exiting |
| [22:15:26] | Beirdo: | dunno off-hand, been a long time since I used Xv |
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| [22:15:30] | Spida: | how do I avoid this? |
| [22:15:42] | Gibby: | What is Xv? |
| [22:16:12] | Beirdo: | the output method your logs say you are using |
| [22:16:28] | Gibby: | output of the video stream? |
| [22:16:51] | Beirdo: | video output |
| [22:16:53] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [22:17:05] | Gibby: | hmm what should I use, I have never even heard of it |
| [22:17:55] | Beirdo: | *head-desk* |
| [22:18:12] | Gibby: | ouch |
| [22:18:58] | kormoc: | Gibby, are you one of those VM users? |
| [22:19:10] | Gibby: | i see that it is the video extension.... but ugh... doesn't make sense, i can play the file with VLC |
| [22:19:16] | Gibby: | Virtual Machine? then nope |
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| [22:19:25] | kormoc: | Yeah, VM is virtual machine |
| [22:19:33] | kormoc: | well, you likely just need better/updated video drivers |
| [22:19:44] | Gibby: | testing it on my main desktop computer, nvidia 9600gt card, e6750 proc, 4gig ram, plays h.264 fine |
| [22:19:54] | Beirdo: | or in the case of a frontend "virtually moronic" |
| [22:20:14] | Gibby: | i am using the nvidia 253 drivers |
| [22:20:28] | kormoc: | you should be using VDPAU slim as your playback profile |
| [22:20:40] | kormoc: | it's in the tv playback settings in the frontend setup menu |
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| [22:24:59] | Gibby: | ok changed to the VDPAU slim,.... now it just goes complete black |
| [22:25:33] | kormoc: | frontend log? |
| [22:27:55] | Gibby: | http://pastebin.com/Lh5ZGYNf |
| [22:29:14] | iamlindoro: | mpeg postinit error means the data isn't coming from the abckend |
| [22:29:16] | iamlindoro: | backend |
| [22:29:45] | iamlindoro: | means "there's no data to decode" |
| [22:30:24] | Gibby: | hmm i can see the file being created and growing on the backend tho |
| [22:31:42] | sphery: | hah, vdpau can't decode no data |
| [22:32:33] | sphery: | Gibby: And the time on both systems is the same? Or is there a nice warning at the top saying your times differ, so things (like Live TV) may not work properly? |
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| [22:33:27] | Gibby: | time is the same |
| [22:33:55] | sphery: | and the file on the backend is called 3191_20100909182644.mpg and not 3191_20100909182643.mpg or whatever? |
| [22:35:10] | Gibby: | hmmm |
| [22:35:43] | Gibby: | yes the backend file is the same |
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| [22:37:55] | kenni: | iamlindoro: You should create a dictionary, allowing users to lookup such error messages ;) |
| [22:38:21] | iamlindoro: | kenni, I did, I checked it in to trunk/mythtv/*.h |
| [22:39:01] | kenni: | :) |
| [22:39:16] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:39:26] | ** skd5aner thinks he needs to add another HDD before fall season kicks into full gear ** | |
| [22:39:35] | Gibby: | alright guys, been playing with myth for 11 hours now, wife is mad, gotta go make her happy |
| [22:39:41] | sphery: | skd5aner: stupid Newegg just forced me to buy a new HDD |
| [22:39:42] | Beirdo: | enjoy |
| [22:39:51] | skd5aner: | $99 2TB deal? |
| [22:39:57] | Gibby is now known as Gibby_away | |
| [22:40:20] | sphery: | $109 2TB + HDD docking station deal (today's early-morning shell shocker) |
| [22:40:28] | skd5aner: | If only I didn't just spend a fortune on landscaping |
| [22:40:47] | sphery: | So I guess I'm going to 12.5TB |
| [22:41:29] | skd5aner: | you know... if you'd get your butt off IRC and actually *use* your frontend to *watch* recordings, then you'd actually probably save more time, money, and headaches ;) |
| [22:42:04] | sphery: | skd5aner: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152245 + http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182221 for $109.99 . The HDD is Samsung's new model replacing their old Eco F3 line. |
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| [22:42:15] | sphery: | though, yeah, I should watch some of that tv |
| [22:42:39] | skd5aner: | I think that's the drive I just bought a few months ago? |
| [22:42:45] | skd5aner: | maybe... don't remember – might be newer |
| [22:42:49] | skd5aner: | I might have got the F3? |
| [22:43:12] | sphery: | don't know how new it is |
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| [22:44:52] | skd5aner: | storage groups aren't smart enough to realize when 1 drive fills up to stop using it – it'll start expiring shows on that disk correct? |
| [22:44:57] | sphery: | anyway, the dock is something that I've been considering getting for all the temporary HDD usage I do for moving data when I have to rebuild some family/friend's computer |
| [22:45:07] | skd5aner: | right now you have to manually balance between SGs, if I remember correctly? |
| [22:45:11] | sphery: | so I figure it's a $10 dock and a $99 2TB HDD |
| [22:45:29] | sphery: | there are multiple storage balancing algorithms you can choose |
| [22:45:36] | sphery: | one is the "most free space" approach |
| [22:45:59] | skd5aner: | right, but will that always go to the most free space when multiple tuners are recording?\ |
| [22:46:10] | sphery: | though even with the balanced usage approach, most free is chosen first |
| [22:46:18] | skd5aner: | yea, I knew that one |
| [22:46:30] | sphery: | yeah, most free always uses most free--even if you have i/o usage on that drive |
| [22:46:57] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Storage_Groups_Weighting + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/424443#424443 |
| [22:47:04] | skd5aner: | cool, thanks |
| [22:47:05] | sphery: | 2nd one details the 3 algorithms |
| [22:47:18] | skd5aner: | set and forget – so I don't always recall all the algorithms |
| [22:47:27] | sphery: | yeah |
| [22:47:37] | sphery: | aka too-many-options-to-remember |
| [22:47:56] | sphery: | but people /always/ remember the one that's dear to their own heart |
| [22:48:10] | skd5aner: | heh – alright, gotta run... g'night |
| [22:48:20] | sphery: | later |
| [22:49:58] | sphery: | seems the F4 was released in June, but newegg just started selling it around Sep 1. |
| [22:50:16] | sphery: | wonder if people will make fun of me for getting Samsung, now |
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| [23:37:35] | skd5aner: | sphery: I wouldn't, I have a few samsung drives which have been perfect for a few years |
| [23:37:41] | skd5aner: | that being said, I don't hae the data :) |
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| [23:37:59] | skd5aner: | ... of a million or so samsungs to see the failure rates |
| [23:42:01] | Beirdo: | sphery: on my internal list... Samsung has been consistently good in the last 5 years at least |
| [23:42:13] | Beirdo: | I still tend to buy Seagate though |
| [23:42:17] | Beirdo: | old habits... |
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| [23:46:38] | Beirdo: | go Qwest, this time |
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| [23:49:48] | sphery: | Beirdo / skd5aner : Cool. Good to know. I've been buying a lot of Seagates (mainly because of price), but my last 2TB was a WD (and I didn't like the unnecessary use of 4K sectors) and this one is a Samsung. |
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| [23:50:18] | kormoc: | heh |
| [23:50:19] | Beirdo: | I am still not convinced on WD yet, but I'm coming around... slowly |
| [23:50:22] | sphery: | I haven't had any complaints with the Seagates (even with the 2 broken-firmware ones I had), so I'm pretty easy to please |
| [23:50:26] | kormoc: | I'm looking forward to 4k sectors |
| [23:50:38] | sphery: | kormoc: 4K sectors are great--once you need them |
| [23:50:45] | sphery: | i.e. at 2.2TB or whatever |
| [23:51:08] | Beirdo: | I want a 16TB drive. |
| [23:51:10] | Beirdo: | make it so. |
| [23:51:18] | Beirdo: | and I wanna pay $89.99 for it |
| [23:51:29] | sphery: | Beirdo: isn't that what those boxes you and j-rod were discussing are? |
| [23:51:32] | kormoc: | Beirdo, it might just be extremely tall |
| [23:51:40] | sphery: | except for the $89.99... |
| [23:51:58] | Beirdo: | heh, no, they are small boxes with 4 bays :) |
| [23:52:06] | Beirdo: | and craptacular CPU |
| [23:52:07] | sphery: | ah, so still limited to 8TB |
| [23:52:09] | kormoc: | drobo? |
| [23:52:27] | Beirdo: | HP x310 is the one that j-rod was enamored with |
| [23:52:33] | sphery: | there's rumors that we'll be seeing 3TB before too long |
| [23:52:36] | Beirdo: | it does look nice to me |
| [23:52:44] | sphery: | Beirdo: he just likes the LED easter egg |
| [23:52:49] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:53:03] | kormoc: | wd dropped the price on their 2tb blacks to $165 now |
| [23:53:05] | Beirdo: | that might mean we can control them from Linux via i2c |
| [23:53:15] | Beirdo: | ooh, nice |
| [23:53:27] | Beirdo: | I'm thinking (if going WD) to do greens |
| [23:53:40] | Beirdo: | if I buy new, that is |
| [23:53:43] | kormoc: | if you don't want/need performance, they're a great option |
| [23:53:55] | Beirdo: | yeah, keep the heat level down, etc |
| [23:54:12] | Beirdo: | they are roughly 5900RPM-ish (but not officially stated) IIRC |
| [23:55:01] | Beirdo: | but we'll see. |
| [23:55:26] | Beirdo: | I'd still be happy with hand-me-down-for-decent-price 1TB thougH :) |
| [23:56:00] | kormoc: | Gotta fix the car... |
| [23:56:12] | Beirdo: | oh oh |
| [23:56:30] | kormoc: | Battery died in it |
| [23:56:36] | kormoc: | teach me to leave her sit around all lonely |
| [23:56:58] | Beirdo: | ah yeah. no neglegting the car... poor baby |
| [23:57:12] | Beirdo: | ummm. neglecting |
| [23:57:19] | ** Beirdo glares at his fingers ** | |
| [23:58:28] | kormoc: | I need a battery delivery service |
| [23:58:45] | Beirdo: | yeah, no kidding |
| [23:59:30] | Beirdo: | oh, kormoc... if you missed it in -commits... the multi-UPnP and mythweb thingy seems to be solved |
| [23:59:37] | kormoc: | oh nice |
| [23:59:42] | Beirdo: | need to increase the max worker threads |
| [23:59:59] | Beirdo: | the guy who reported it settled in at 15 (rather than the default 5) |
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