Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, August 31st, 2010, 00:02 UTC

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kormoc:

jams, again? bad hardware?

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jams:

nope, just delted a recording

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jams:

it's not common, but it's not a one off sort of thing either

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jams:

mysql just likes to randomly crash, just my experience through out the years working with mysql

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[R]:

yeah... mysql isn't supposed to ccrash...

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[R]:

lol

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kormoc:

jams, sounds like it's time to switch to innodb

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jams:

could be, lets just say mysql and myself have never gotton along =)

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jams:

i prefer products that trip over themselves

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sphery:

kormoc: speaking of MySQL and InnoDB and... can you think of a reason that MySQL would usually take << 1s to register keys in a couple contexts on startup, but occasionally would take 16s or more?

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sphery:

this is on a system with MyISAM tables (so table-level locking?)

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sphery:

but even then, I can't see why it would hang for 16s

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: have you tried any of your ebuilds after the ffmpeg sync? im getting the same problems i was with my previous ebuilds

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, the latest ones are after the syn

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kormoc:

*sync

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kormoc:

what problem are you having?

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kormoc:

sphery, your box?

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wagnerrp:

die "Aborting due to QA concerns: ${INSTALLTOD} files installed in ${D}/${D}"

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sphery:

kormoc: no, it was actually Beirdo's

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, what files?

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sphery:

I never have DB problems!

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kormoc:

hehe

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kormoc:

could be just contention with a 15s timeout

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wagnerrp:

anything binary

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sphery:

contention?

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sphery:

like table lock deadlock that it finally just times out on?

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Beirdo:

it's very reproducable, BTW, but not 100% of the time

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1929492

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sphery:

Beirdo: also, when iamlindoro saw slow startup times, I had him put verbose around that stuff, too, and he said his hang (about 7s) was when connecting to mythbackend (socket stuff)

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sphery:

so I'm wondering if there's more/other problems

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Beirdo:

interesting

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kormoc:

sphery, aye

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sphery:

Beirdo: it actually occurred before the reset for him, too, but don't know if that could cause a delay later or ...

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sphery:

too = "so it's not something happening after it for him"

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, that's with my ebuild overlay?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, and ive had to strip all sorts of other stuff out to get it that far

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kormoc:

that's just bumping my last revision one?

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wagnerrp:

yep

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sphery:

Beirdo: anyway, I'll likely rework some of that InitKeys() stuff to be more efficient

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sphery:

but it wont' happen right away

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, kk, give me a few

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sphery:

if after that we still have issues, we'll know there's something else involved (or causing it :)

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Beirdo:

cool, I'll leave my instrumentation in there for now

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: problems with the ffmpeg patch that is no longer in files

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kormoc:

ooh, I wonder if I forgot to svn add it

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wagnerrp:

more problems with the firewire stuff no longer in contrib

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kormoc:

the ffmpeg-sync patch is in svn now

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, all the firewire stuff gone?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, all the external channel changers

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wagnerrp:

sphery removed all that stuff months ago

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kormoc:

firewire_tester?

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kormoc:

(It's been awhile sense I used the firewire stuff, whoops)

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wagnerrp:

yep, that too

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wagnerrp:

and it doesnt like the 'eqmake4' line either, now that we have a hard coded Makefile

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kormoc:

26011 might do it then

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kormoc:

svn up and it should go

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sphery:

26011?

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kormoc:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

that ones yours

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kormoc:

I bumped my ebuilds to 26011

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sphery:

ohhh

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sphery:

thought you meant there was an issue with my checkin

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kormoc:

nah

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sphery:

good

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sphery:

I don't like breaking things unless that's my intention

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kormoc:

I like breaking things... I just don't like being yelled at when I do :P

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sphery:

heh

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** iamlindoro shouts at kormoc pre-emptively **

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wagnerrp:

i like how you broke mythweb on php5.2

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kormoc:

oh noes! Now I bette break something worth a pre-emptive yelling at

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, it's only past EOL :)

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ServerSage:

I'm trying to get my PS3 working as a UPNP client. Recordings work great. But videos are not. From a frontend I've gone to Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Videos Settings->General Settings and configured which dir has the videos. Verified I can play them from the frontend. But the PS3 doesn't see them over UPNP. What am I missing?

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wagnerrp:

woo!

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wagnerrp:

Warning: File `libmythmetadata.pro' has modification time 3.3e+03 s in the future

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

almost 1h?

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ThisOtherGuy:

hi all – is there any way to setup a schedule to always record the non-generic episodes and the generic episodes only once?

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wagnerrp:

how would you record the generic episodes only once?

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ThisOtherGuy:

That's my question

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wagnerrp:

by definition, theyre generic

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wagnerrp:

no way of telling one from the next

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ThisOtherGuy:

right – so just have it pick one

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wagnerrp:

pick one ever? one a week? one a day?

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ThisOtherGuy:

ever

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why you would want that

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ThisOtherGuy:

There's this show which comes on 10 times in the next week, and I know it's all the same one even though it's marked as generic, so I was hoping to have the scheduler pick the most convenient one, instead of having it record all of them, or forcing me to manually pick one

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wagnerrp:

so you want to do one per week

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ServerSage:

ThisOtherGuy: "Record one showing of this episode per week"

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sphex:

hello. I disabled a bunch of channels on my schedulesdirect.org lineup; but they still show up in mythtv after running mythfilldatabase. what's the easiest way to delete them from mythtv?

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ThisOtherGuy:

I really only want one generic one ever – I guess I could do "Find and record one showing of this title." and another schedule that excludes the generic ones

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wagnerrp:

i just dont understand why you explicitly want to record a generic episode next week, and then no more ever

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[R]:

sphex: go into the channel editor and delet ethem?

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sphex:

[R]: no way to somewhat automate that?

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[R]:

there is some kind of destroy data switch to mythfill i think

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sphex:

[R]: okay. I'll look for it. thanks.

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, how'd it end up?

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wagnerrp:

built... finally

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wagnerrp:

had to wait for the files to become 'current'

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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wagnerrp:

make got caught in a loop for as long as i had files that were modified after the current time

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kormoc:

weird

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wagnerrp:

bit of a problem with python_mod_optimize

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wagnerrp:

apparently ${PYVER} is not populated

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wagnerrp:

so its trying to run on the wrong directory

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kormoc:

huh

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, the python bindings are python 2.x?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

so it should be running on /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages, but its doing /usr/lib64/python/site-packages instead

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kormoc:

add PYTHON_DEPEND="2" to the top of the ebuild and that should fix it

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kormoc:

before the inherit line

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wagnerrp:

done, ill let you know in ~15–20 min

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wagnerrp:

i really should install ccache...

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kormoc:

oh wait, that won't work

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wagnerrp:

not sure what that command will do anyway

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kormoc:

Yeah, just need some more commands

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wagnerrp:

since the normal installer already tokenizes them

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kormoc:

ooh

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wagnerrp:

thats all the further you can 'optimize' python

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kormoc:

yeah, we'll just remove those then...

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wagnerrp:

i assume thats for making the 'pyc' files?

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kormoc:

yup

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wagnerrp:

for quicker loading

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wagnerrp:

even if those didnt get created on build

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wagnerrp:

they would the first time they were imported by some script

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kormoc:

yup

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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wagnerrp:

but yeah, at least when i do the normal 'python setup.py install', it creates that stuff automatically

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kormoc:

just gonna remove it then

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kormoc:

I'm slightly concerned about the clock skew bit

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, hrm, "warning: build_py: byte-compiling is disabled, skipping."

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kormoc:

any thoughts on why that'd be?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, okay, svn up and I think the ebuilds are fully clean now (26014)

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wagnerrp:

youre still using subversion for mythplugins? not pulling zips from trac?

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

I should fix that

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wagnerrp:

the base eclass should be doing that already

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wagnerrp:

looks like its only a matter of deleting a few lines to make the change

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kormoc:

if you want to make a patch/give me the update, I'll merge it in

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kormoc:

or if you want commit access to my repo, can do

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wagnerrp:

i can put together some patches and send them over

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wagnerrp:

working out some warnings first

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kormoc:

snaz

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wagnerrp:

mythmusic keeps spamming something about 'cat /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf'

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, you should have at least /etc/ld.so.conf.d/empty.conf

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wagnerrp:

that may be my fault

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wagnerrp:

im building this stuff on a stripped down chroot

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wagnerrp:

it has never actually been booted

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wagnerrp:

i build on that image, clone it, overlay some custom files in /etc and some other places for each machine, and boot

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kormoc:

ahh

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kormoc:

this clock skew really bugs me, as it's killing my ccache

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wagnerrp:

someone check into the repo with a bad clock?

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kormoc:

perhaps

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wagnerrp:

why does mythmusic want dcraw?

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kormoc:

I don't think so, the files it is complaing over are last touched by different folks

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kormoc:

where do you see dcraw?

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wagnerrp:

the configure for mythmusic is checking for dcraw

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wagnerrp:

unless thats a check for something else performed unnecessarily when it is already disabled

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kormoc:

hrm

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wagnerrp:

seems to only be used for mythgallery

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wagnerrp:

i guess its spilling over

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kormoc:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

yeah, each of those tests should probably be wrapped for their individual plugins

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wagnerrp:

well to change the plugins from svn to zip files, everything is already inherited from the base mythtv class

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wagnerrp:

all you have to do is delete the 'ESVN_REPO_URI' line from eclass/mythtv-plugins.eclass

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kormoc:

oh nice

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wagnerrp:

you may want to remove the 'subversion' inherit from the other ebuilds

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wagnerrp:

affects some, not others

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wagnerrp:

i dont see any pattern to why

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kormoc:

yeah, just how the gentoo tree was, I just never got around to unifying them

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wagnerrp:

seems the mythweather ebuild now needs dev-perl/XML-XPath

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: yes it does

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kormoc:

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Beirdo:

oooh, Bill Lumbergh on The Closer

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Beirdo:

as an Army Major

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AndyCap:

Good night America, wherever you are.

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sphery:

Another person who's lost without Ugly Betty... I feel your pain.

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wagnerrp:

anyone else find a blu-ray version of Metropolis... excessive?

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stuartm:

just a little

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wagnerrp:

blurry enough for a DVD, surely a bluray isnt warranted

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, anime or classic?

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wagnerrp:

classic

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stuartm:

just an attempt to cash-in

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justinh:

oo no, you've *got* to buy the bluray version of everything you own on DVD. It's the law. Well it soon will be

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justinh:

it'll dig us out of the recession dontcha know

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wagnerrp:

but hey, apparently theres new previously unreleased footage

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justinh:

and in the ongoing alternative HDMI connector saga, still nobody is willing to fork out for hiring a very fast scope to look at the signals. Deary me. £500 in hire costs could save us tens of thousands of pounds in engineering time

[07:40:39]

wagnerrp:

now with the way-we-think-the-director-would-have-cut-it-but-dont-know-because-he-died-80-yea rs-ago cut

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justinh:

£500 which – by all accounts we could save in weeks by using a different connector.

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wagnerrp:

cant just use HDMI?

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[R]:

if i stream a movie over the internet and have a svideo out from my computer, and record that... am i gonna wanna gouge my eyes out when i watch it?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: I think I'd rather that than another "we didn't have the tech to do this when it was made" Lucas revamp :)

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nutron:

... heh ...

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wagnerrp:

you mean like a 'we didnt have the technology to have handheld radios so we had to use guns' revamp?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: we could, if the DIMM style sockets we use on our mainboards had any kind of retention mechanism. problem is, the internal (infernal) HDMI cable which brings video to the socket on the back tends to pull the whole card out.. and respinning boards to put the HDMI transceiver on the main board is totally off the map

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justinh:

and they can't just *glue* the boards in like they do with all the other removable things ;-)

[07:44:17]

justinh:

yeah, they're still gluing internal connectors to the board. Connectors which by all accounts have pretty good retention force anyway

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justinh:

like er.. have you ever seen a PATA ribbon come out of a socket by itself in transit – when it's been inserted correctly I mean

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nutron:

theriouthly? Why not just staple them on? Duct tape? ... what's wrong with the hdmi connector?

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wagnerrp:

i always enjoyed pulling open old computers to find the ATA, floppy, and other connectors hot-glued in place

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justinh:

nutron: nothing wrong with the connector. it's the cable.. it's only about 6 inches long but is stiff & heavy enough to pull the card out of its socket in transit

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nutron:

hah actually one of my guys apparently did, and when we gave him 4 servers to assemble... lol 4 years later we found all of the sata and pata cables hot-glued to the freakin' sockets.

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: you mean the footage the director rightly left on the cutting room floor?

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justinh:

we designed a plate to go over the cards to hold it in but the CEO kyboshed that idea

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nutron:

and only because one of the hard drives died... when the sata cable was removed... so was the socket from the motherboard :)

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justinh:

lol

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nutron:

justinh: oh, too much money?

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justinh:

nutron: no, he just didn't like it

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nutron:

he was fired years ago, I guess I had a good reason

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justinh:

what more reason do you need – when you don't see reason? ;-)

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justinh:

hey look, we can either do it a practical way – or waste weeks/months finding a different connector with the wrong characteristics for the signal & risk putting the signal out of spec

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nutron:

He was brutal with hardware, and I mean brutal... I'm surprised we're still here today. Though in hindsight, I should've double checked his work heh...

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nutron:

:o what are you building?

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stuartm:

the world's worst DVRs by the sound of it ;)

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nutron:

lol!

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stuartm:

(for cctv)

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justinh:

I mean take HDMI, which is carried on screened twisted pairs of about 110 Ohms impedance ... then put it on a flat ribbon cable which umm... hmmm.... buggers up the timing & crosstalk in quantities we can't verify because we don't have the test gear

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justinh:

I bashed up an example board with the new connector, made a cable & tested it – surprisingly it worked. So they went into production with it

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nutron:

I now have to go and see how rdesktop likes the new windows on kvm install ... I wish I could ask for luck, because I know I'll need it... win2k8 on kvm serving other things... I'm just asking for trouble

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

then found in about 50% of cases it doesn't actually work & there are speckles on the HDMI output. Meh

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clever:

needs more then 1 test...

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justinh:

this is why I don't find Dilbert particularly funny anymore. the CEO is kinda the ultimate PHB

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nutron:

justinh: you sound like a prime candidate for the NRA :/

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justinh:

it's weird though.. I hacked up an HDMI cable & put 2x RJ45 sockets on each end.. then put 5m of cat5e cable in the way. unshielded, ordinary cable, just for giggles. worked just fine at 1080P

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Beirdo:

not too surprised

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justinh:

nutron: nah, we just have to try to laugh at all the incompetence around us. Or else we really would go mad

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Beirdo:

what impedance is the HDMI cable supposed to be?

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justinh:

Beirdo: pretty similar to cat5 actually

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's what I was thinking

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justinh:

I've also suggested we try sourcing some LVDS ribbon cable & connectors but no.. that's been kyboshed too

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Beirdo:

so other than minor disturbances at the connectors, should be pretty good

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justinh:

that would most likely work

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justinh:

Beirdo: yeh but 5 inches of flat 0.5mm pitch ribbon.. must be crosstalk buggering things up

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justinh:

there's no way to know without that fancy 'scope :-D

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Beirdo:

pretty much

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clever:

justinh: what if you do the same as 80 wire pata?, every 2nd wire is GND

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justinh:

remember our CEO is the guy who has the final say on which font gets used on our printed material

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Beirdo:

what ya need is a cable with the correct impedence... regardless of what form it is in

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justinh:

yup

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Beirdo:

and ribbon cable's likely not a terribly good match :)

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justinh:

because if you don't – you start seeing the kind of artifacts we're seeing :-)

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Beirdo:

even a 2nd year engineering student can understand that

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justinh:

i.e. it works, but certain patterns of content get messed up

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Beirdo:

yeah, those reflections are a real mess

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justinh:

and at the levels HDMI signals are at it's no surprise either

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Beirdo:

it's pretty low voltage, I'd imagine

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Beirdo:

never bothered to look into the spec :)

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justinh:

0.3v pk-pk IIRC

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justinh:

it's not much, I know that

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Beirdo:

yikes

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Beirdo:

LVDS-land

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justinh:

pretty similar to SATA IIRC

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justinh:

wouldn't be surprised if USB3 is too

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Beirdo:

likely so

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justinh:

must be way easier to make a fast driver work at lower voltages than at higher ones ;)

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

and with a lot less RF-spam too

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justinh:

slew rate & all that jazz

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Beirdo:

aye

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justinh:

that was another thing – I didn't actually test the ribbon cable inside a unit – I just tested that it carried the signal 'ok'

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

you hacked it up as a preliminary test...

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justinh:

so god only knows what kind of RF much is getting in.. and another idea kyboshed was even *trying* to shield the ribbon cable

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Beirdo:

too bad that = "ship it" for the PHB

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Beirdo:

in and out

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Beirdo:

may not even pass regulatory testing on this side of the pond

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justinh:

or this side of the pond

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justinh:

all UL do is see if it's a fire risk

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Beirdo:

I was thinking FCC and CRTC

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justinh:

FCC regs aren't any more stringent than EU EMC

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Beirdo:

for RF interference, they are pretty stringent last I heard

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Beirdo:

but EU is likely at least as stringent :)

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Beirdo:

if not nearly identical in many ways

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justinh:

you'd be surprised what you can get away with in class B

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Beirdo:

hehe, true that

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justinh:

it could wipe out yer favourite FM station & still pass class B

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justinh:

with class B all they say is 'you might experience a problem. if you do, try moving things around a bit' ;-)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

and then there was a previous employer...

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Beirdo:

we were making and testing telemetry transmitters

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Beirdo:

ultimately for the US military, I think, not sure... but in Canada

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justinh:

a guy I used to work with has just quit his job cos his employer said they needed a product to pass EMC but he wasn't allowed to make any changes to it

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Beirdo:

we had the cops sent to shut us down for transmitting on US military bands

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justinh:

heheh

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Beirdo:

even though the US military knew before hand... and had actually OK'd it

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clever:

lol

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justinh:

hmmm no matches were found.. and the ok button is WAY over there to the right. lol

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Beirdo:

1W in Canada... and some wonk across the lake in the US detected it and told the Canadian authorities to shut it down, not knowing crap about it

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justinh:

we had an interesting time when I worked at celestica & they were making trakker systems.. when the US decided to turn off GPS the test line was kinda stumped

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Beirdo:

we just called the boss (a dual citizen), and he told the cops very politely to read the permission letter from the US military in question, and to please get the hell off his property now.

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justinh:

heheh

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Beirdo:

they left :)

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Beirdo:

the video transmitters were cool too

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justinh:

beaurocracy.. it can either be fun or make you go postal

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

we could receive NTSC video for about 60km

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Beirdo:

fun to test... put the transmitter in a truck, drive down the highway...

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Beirdo:

"OK, we just lost you, where are you?

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clever:

i think it would be simpler to leave the transmiter on the ground and drive off with a receiver

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clever:

then you wont need to wait for a cell call saying 'we lost you'

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Beirdo:

nah, the test case was close to final use

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justinh:

hnggg. wonder where in the xml this popup is coming from

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Beirdo:

the transmitter was to be mobile, the receiver static

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clever:

ah

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clever:

predator drones kinda stuff?

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Beirdo:

there's no point in testing the other way around as it proves less

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Beirdo:

not sure if it was for ground or air vehicles

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justinh:

I miss messing about with transmitters

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Beirdo:

but that sorta crap, yeah, they never did tell us specifics

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Beirdo:

need to know, etc

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clever:

yeah

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Beirdo:

I know that one came back with sea water damage

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justinh:

I bet

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Beirdo:

so I think at least one was in a submarine or other ship

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Beirdo:

what the heck you need video for under water where you can't see crap... I dunno

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Beirdo:

fixing that was fun

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justinh:

maybe more like seeing what the missle is about to hit ;)

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Beirdo:

chip out 1" of caked on sea salt

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clever:

recently came across some neat articles on a site i check often, http://hackaday.com/2010/08/30/spy-video-trakr-the-teardown/ http://hackaday.com/2010/08/27/spy-video-trak . . . impressions/

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Beirdo:

then pull the boards... toss in the trash, put in new ones...

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Beirdo:

"fixed"

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clever:

lol

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clever:

sounds like it needs to be filled with epoxy

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Beirdo:

it was

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justinh:

found the photo of that fire-damaged DVR I had to forensically clone a couple of years back

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Beirdo:

well not filled, but "sealed"

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Beirdo:

nothing's allowed to move at ALL

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Beirdo:

all connectors, wires, etc... epoxied

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Beirdo:

but epoxy-potting the entire thing would be bad. repairs then are impossible

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clever:

sounds like you didnt realy repair it to begin with

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justinh:

well yuh.. you don't wanna be about to destroy a man who's defending his oil supply & have a loose connector mess it all up now do you?

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Beirdo:

in THAT case

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Beirdo:

hehe

[08:18:20]

Beirdo:

well there is taht :)

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clever:

that 'Spy Video TRAKR' thin looks like a kids toy at first, and it is

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justinh:

plus, there are already way too many instances of 'friendly' fire ;)

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Beirdo:

so true

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clever:

but they made it easy for you to compile your own code in c which runs in the tank

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clever:

which has a 190mhz arm9 core in it

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justinh:

mind, I bet in the vast majority of those cases it's human error

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Beirdo:

yeah, well, tell that to the parents

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clever:

because its hackable like that, its not just a kids toy anymore

[08:22:28]

Beirdo:

interesting... two commflaggers running again

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Beirdo:

kill!

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Beirdo:

well, bed

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stuartm:

Beirdo: not as interesting as the five backend processes I just found running!

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Beirdo:

hehe, say what?

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Beirdo:

where those ones that had forked and blocked?

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Beirdo:

with the changed I put in over the weekend, that shouldn't happen anymore, BTW

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stuartm:

I dunno, killed them immediately and restarted the backend

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Beirdo:

at least not blocking on the verbose_mutex anyways

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stuartm:

I can't think why we'd be forking backend processes since we moved the preview generator out into it's own process

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Beirdo:

if we forked during a VERBOSE in another thread, the child processes would see verbose_mutex as locked

[09:17:17]

Beirdo:

well, the preview generator and commflag are forked from mythbackend

[09:17:27]

Beirdo:

fork, then execl the new program

[09:17:49]

Beirdo:

as are the channel change scripts

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Beirdo:

and countless other things here and there (like turning off pulseaudio from the frontend for example)

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stuartm:

that's new?

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

but the support's been tweaked some

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stuartm:

hmm, this is something that myth_system has always done then? I wasn't aware

[09:18:55]

Beirdo:

the channel changing scripts are using the same code as the others now (myth_system)

[09:19:13]

Beirdo:

myth_system had buglets all over (common for such code)

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Beirdo:

the verbose_mutex handling was just one of them

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Beirdo:

not handling concurrent(ish) SIGCHLD was another

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Beirdo:

we had signals being missed

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olskolirc:

anyone around?

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Beirdo:

so essentially, I put the waitpid into a thread, and have the callers block on a mutex which gets unlocked by said thread when that particular process returns

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Beirdo:

shouldn't have zombies anymore

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olskolirc:

do i want to work with the source file and the pdf download or install mythbuntu

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justinh:

I dunno.. what do you want to do?

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Beirdo:

stuartm: anyways, there's more logging to be had for the child process handling now too, which should make debugging any remaining issues all that much simpler

[09:23:09]

Beirdo:

and I gotta hit the sack. it's 2:30am

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justinh:

if you want the simplest & easiest install possible & you'll likely only use the machie for mythtv.. go with mythbuntu.. but I'd still recommend you read all the docs first.. as well as the mythbuntu docs

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stuartm:

pdf?

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justinh:

olskolirc: and do your research to make sure the hardware you pick – especially TV tuners – will work in linux

[09:25:13]

olskolirc:

i have haupauge pvr 150 justinh

[09:25:37]

justinh:

well, that'll work well in linux :)

[09:26:09]

olskolirc:

i just want to watch tv justinh where do i go from here? source? apt-get or install the whole mythbuntu?

[09:26:24]

justinh:

one thing I'll say about mythbuntu is.. for pity's sakes PLEASE be careful when you install it & READ all the popups & messages you see during installation

[09:26:39]

justinh:

you just want to *watch* tv? no recording or time shifting?

[09:26:48]

justinh:

if that's the case, then I suggest you use something else

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olskolirc:

yes id like to record i don't know what time shifting is

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stuartm:

time shifting is the ability to pause/rewind livetv

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justinh:

time shifting is basically just recording tv to watch later.. or watching live.. and pausing it etc

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olskolirc:

yeah i want all of that :-)

[09:28:01]

olskolirc:

which install method would be best and easiest for a newbie

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justinh:

mythtv records everything.. even 'live' tv is still just a recording

[09:28:12]

justinh:

depends. there are different kinds of newbie

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stuartm:

for a newbie I'd suggest mythbuntu

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olskolirc:

thanks stuartm

[09:28:32]

justinh:

you still shouldn't go into it blind IMHO. read the docs

[09:28:45]

olskolirc:

ok

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stuartm:

assuming you are dedicating a machine to this task, otherwise you should consider installing packages for your existing distro

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justinh:

and make sure you pay attention to the install process. lots of users come in here, presumably having just dismissed or ignored messages the installer displays.. that gets people into trouble

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** justinh notes we don't see as many folks in here asking about linhes/knoppmyth these days. wonder if that's due to a more robust setup process or some other reason **

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olskolirc:

im installing mythtv and paying attn to all the popups

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olskolirc:

done

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olskolirc:

ok i see i need to be into electronics to get this done

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justinh:

wouldn't have said that.. just a moderate level of clue & willingness to read the docs before starting out. that and being smart enough to ask questions about things you don't understand :)

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ikonia:

olskolirc: not at all

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justinh:

methinks until such time as installing mythtv is as simple as double-clicking setup.exe, some folks will never quite 'get' it

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stuartm:

justinh: until the time that mythtv can magically record OTA etc without needing any tuners, can record without consuming disk space and can playback on hardware just barely more powerful than a handheld calculator that there will always be people who don't 'get' it

[09:56:59]

justinh:

ROFLMAO @ somebody trying to transcode on an iPad

[10:02:10]

justinh:

oh wait.. they GOT an iPad so they want to transcode video for it. meh

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justinh:

and are running the transcode process on a VM.

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sphery:

probably on an atom box, right?

[10:03:13]

justinh:

arghh what is this fascination with VMs anyway?

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justinh:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/449331

[10:03:35]

sphery:

guess not... Core 2 Quad

[10:03:53]

sphery:

yeah, VM's are all the rage because they're the hot buzz word

[10:04:12]

sphery:

a VM makes everything better--and faster--and safer--and crunchier

[10:04:57]

justinh:

yeah, you just KNOW that the next buzzy thing people will ask for is 'cloud transcoding' & crap

[10:05:47]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

after all, the slow part is /definitely/ the computing on transcoding

[10:06:01]

hipitihop:

I noticed today I can stream recordings using mythweb's asx link via vlc. Is there a simple way to get list of those links for all recordings without giving access to entire mythweb for others on the network ?

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justinh:

s/network/internet/

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sphery:

and it will take much less time to transcode if you upload an 8GiB file to the cloud for it to transcode

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stuartm:

upnp, and/or the xml methods

[10:07:26]

** hipitihop acknowledges the subtle sarcasm in sphery's last comment **

[10:08:08]

hipitihop:

stuartm, is that aimed at me ? and if so could you be more specific or be so kind to point me further

[10:08:21]

sphery:

heh, yeah as it would only take me > 29hrs to upload an 8GiB recording on my 750kbps upstream link

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stuartm:

sphery: he just said your sarcasm was subtle and I'm sure you were aiming for overt, over the top sarcasm ;)

[10:08:56]

sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I'll have to work on my overtness

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hipitihop:

indeed, subtlety is so overrated

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justinh:

manager has just asked me if I still have any 2 gig hard drives. was SO tempted to say I did have but the 1990s called wanting them all back

[10:12:28]

justinh:

I said "you mean terabyte?".. he said "giga, tera.. same difference"

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justinh:

can you fight stupid with stupid?

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stuartm:

I fight stupidity with a sharp blade

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olskolirc:

how in the heck am i supposed to read my pdf with mythtv-setup taking the whole screen?

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justinh:

I found that reading the docs *BEFORE* setting out helped me a great deal

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justinh:

not rushing things is almost always the quickest way to do anything

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olskolirc:

there are docs EVERYWHERE justinh where do i want to go /usr/share/docs or the pdf

[10:16:27]

justinh:

if I was installing mythbuntu I'd prolly just read the mythbuntu docs on the mythbuntu website

[10:16:43]

olskolirc:

thanks thats a big help

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olskolirc:

brb

[10:17:06]

stuartm:

alt-tab still works doesn't it?

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justinh:

I dunno.. not if you're unfamiliar with computers. but then how do folks manage to work out how to get into IRC channels?

[10:17:41]

justinh:

;)

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justinh:

next up.. "wha? Whaddya mean I need a Schedules Direct account?"

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stuartm:

mine expired today

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justinh:

oo uk_rt is back up to 13 days worth of data

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bjd:

bet it breaks by the time i get home

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** bjd sticks with EIT **

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** stuartm refers RT **

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stuartm:

prefers

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justinh:

tempted to run a test backend with eit & see how well it copes with shifting show times

[10:25:04]

justinh:

be great if there was some way we could have the best of both worlds

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justinh:

the reality is that it'd be pretty hard to achieve

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stuartm:

I mix eit on some channels and xmltv on others, generally those channels I record from frequently get the RT data for the better descriptions, ratings and reviews

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justinh:

I only really like RT for it being more than 7 days worth of data

[10:28:17]

justinh:

the descriptions are generally more harmful than good

[10:28:45]

justinh:

for films, I see the value in them being a review

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sphery:

stuartm: you mean you mix EIT and xmltv in a video source, but use only one or the other on each channel, right?

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stuartm:

sphery: yes

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sphery:

thought so... I was pretty sure that using EIT and xmltv on a channel did bad things.

[10:29:54]

sphery:

just had to make sure things haven't changed

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stuartm:

sphery: it does, channel titles, subtitles etc change, subtle differences in start/end times

[10:30:46]

stuartm:

using both on the same channel is a bad idea

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stuartm:

come to think of it, that's something we should prevent from happening, if 'useonairguide' is enabled we shouldn't insert xmltv data

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sphery:

and if the user selects any grabber other than EIT only, we should disable useonairguide in setup

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stuartm:

justinh: I appreciate longer descriptions, especially since it allows me to tell if I've seen an episode before, in the case of some descriptions provided by EIT it's not even possible to tell one episode from another with very repetitive series e.g. Law and Order "The detectives arrest a guy for murder, but did he really do it? They let the jury decide"

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stuartm:

sphery: well doing that prevents my use case, using xmltv on some channels and eit on others

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sphery:

ah, yeah, you're right

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stuartm:

in the UK if you choose to use xmltv you actually need to use EIT as well since xmltv provides no data for the radio channels

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stuartm:

which is ironic when you consider that the guide info comes from "RadioTimes"

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

I mix EIT & RT for the same reason

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bjd:

I should be able to switch from EIT to RT quite easily, right?

[10:38:13]

stuartm:

RT is so called because it was first published before TV, it provided radio listings only

[10:39:08]

stuartm:

bjd: it's not a straight switch, you need to manually insert the xmltvids for each channel and create an xmltv config, it's not difficult but it can be a little tedious

[10:39:39]

stuartm:

I hope to improve the process in 0.25

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justinh:

I thought I had it nicely documented in the wiki til some arse came along & vandalised it with their 'wisdom'

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justinh:

whoever added 'RECOMMENDED' & 'NOT RECOMMENDED' to the page should be shot

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stuartm:

which page was this?

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Uk_xmltv

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justinh:

they say 'not recommended' – to run it from mythtv-setup because.. "the user has to switch between windows".. duuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

[10:44:31]

justinh:

and as for all the direct db mangling in there..

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stuartm:

justinh: actually I tend to agree with that, it causing a lot of confusion especially since that 'window' is in the background

[10:44:59]

stuartm:

direct db mangling? No.., not good

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justinh:

update channel set xmltvid="1.setanta.com" where callsign="Setanta Sport 1";

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justinh:

update channel set xmltvid="1.setanta.com" where callsign="Setanta Sports 1";

[10:45:19]

justinh:

update channel set xmltvid="1.sports.sky.com" where callsign="Sky Sports 1";

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justinh:

oops.. only meant to paste 2 lines. heh

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stuartm:

this is why we need to kick the XMLTV guys into action and finally come up with a workable solution

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justinh:

it's all basically a big bunch of hacks. it's sad because if all that effort was concentrated on fixing mythtv to do it properly everybody would win

[10:46:54]

justinh:

s/mythtv/xmltv\ &\ mythtv/ :-)

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olskolirc:

I envy you guys

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olskolirc:

ill never get this setup done

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olskolirc:

and i don't know how to come out of full screen so I can read the docs

[10:51:31]

justinh:

love how xmltv is more wizard-driven now

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justinh:

how the heck we'd pull mythtv alongside & fix it so freeview setups can use it with the minimum of fuss I don't know

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justinh:

be tempting to hard-code myth to just ignore all the junk freeview 'channels' :D

[10:55:26]

stuartm:

no more HitsBox and TMF!

[10:56:01]

justinh:

I was thinking more like no more MHEG only 'channels'

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justinh:

thinks.. hmm.. are they marked up somehow.. or set apart from 'real' TV channels – I mean channels with audio & video streams

[10:56:52]

justinh:

I guess they don't actually have audio & video PIDs

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justinh:

hmmm.. back to thinking about adding more PID filtering into the dtv recorder class for a 'throw away subs & AD streams" recording profile

[11:02:37]

justinh:

oo, got an invite to go to an IEEE lecture about freeview HD

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stuartm:

we can make data-only channels hidden at scan time, the work being done for 0.25 should include filters and batch handling for the scanner and channels, so you could click on "select all data channels" then click "hide" etc

[11:03:14]

stuartm:

justinh: lucky you

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justinh:

prolly won't be anything I don't already know

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justinh:

or want to know :)

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stuartm:

are you a member of IEEE?

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justinh:

what I really wanna know is... where are all the dvb-t2 tuners for PCs?

[11:04:30]

justinh:

nah, I don't have a professional qualification

[11:05:16]

justinh:

oh wait, it'e IET, not IEEE

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stuartm:

justinh: I'd direct that at Hauppauge etc

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stuartm:

last I heard they had a USB one in the pipeline, but no PCI or PCIe

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justinh:

yeah I also heard that there was a thread on their official forum where an employee said there was one in the pipeline. said thread has since vanished

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justinh:

way to close the hole, guys :)

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justinh:

found a post on their forum which hints they've got dvb-t2 stuff working in their labs

[11:12:20]

olskolirc:

how do I make my screen smaller so that i can still read my docs please?

[11:13:42]

justinh:

can't you just use ALT TAB?

[11:13:52]

olskolirc:

ok

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stuartm:

-geometry 800x600

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justinh:

I really wish I'd themed all the base dialogs & stuff first

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Leon80:

Hi guys. By subscribing to mythtv-users, how long should the confirmation mail take to be sent? Or has it to be sent manually by the administrator?

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Leon80:

I subscribed about 1/2 hour and still no confirmation mail.

[11:45:28]

Leon80:

Should I keep waiting or just try it again?

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justinh:

heh. AMD are dumping the ATI brand

[11:49:56]

justinh:

Leon80: probably better to wait

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stuartm:

the brand, or the business?

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justinh:

the brand, according to El Reg... they announced it yesterday apparently

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justinh:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/30/amd_to_dump_ati_brand/

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justinh:

wth? PROCESSER-CENTRIC? lol el reg

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justinh:

one more popup fixed. yay

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Azelphur:

Is there any way to find out why mythvideo doesn't scan a directory?

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Azelphur:

I have a season of episodes mythvideo won't pick up on

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justinh:

permissions, perhaps?

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Azelphur:

yup, looks like permissions xD

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Azelphur:

wonder how that happened, I copied 6 seasons all at the same time, one went screwy.

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Leon80:

I just successfully subscribed to the mythtv-users mailing list. So that it's my first mailing list I ever subscribed to: If I would like to post a follow-up to a post that has been sent before my own subscription, what do I have to do?

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Leon80:

Ah, I think I got it. Using the archive on the web there's a link right beside the name of the author. Included in this link the In-Reply-To field is defined which indicates the post to which I want to post a follow-up.

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Gibby:

!@#$, I think my tuner card is DOA

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olskolirc:

i uninstalled mythbuntu and now i have no sound in my vlc or youtube pages

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olskolirc:

what happened?

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olskolirc:

i have sound now

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olskolirc:

i restarted kmix

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stuartm:

kmix is obnoxious, grabs "mute", "volume up" and "volume down" key presses which weren't directed at it

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stuartm:

I've stopped running it

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stuartm:

think that's going to be fun in the future when remotes are mapped to those keys by default, "Why doesn't volume control work properly?" "Why I am seeing the kde OSD instead of the mythtv OSD?"

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phil____:

hiho

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phil____:

finally destroed the db the second time

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phil____:

mythbackend reports an error with the tuner, probably because the system went down during a record

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phil____:

does anyone know where in the db the tuner status is stored? is there a chance repairing it with mysql-navigator?

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skd5aner:

sphery: r26011 – Since you removed the setting, will files always stream now, even if they are local? Or will it continue the behavior that stuartm described (Always stream unless local)?

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wagnerrp:

hell probably be out for a couple more hours

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wagnerrp:

there was some discussion in #mythtv when that happened

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wagnerrp:

might try checking your logs around that time

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skd5aner:

So, it looks like the later... stream if there isn't a mount

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Intrepd:

Hello, I'm having a problem playing back files from certain stations recorded with my HDHomerun using VLC/TSReader. From what I can tell from using DVBSnoop, the problematic recordings are missing PCR.

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wagnerrp:

why didnt you record those with mythtv?

[15:03:14]

Intrepd:

Sorry, I am

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Intrepd:

If I record with TSReader, I get PCR – if I let MythTV do it, I don't

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wagnerrp:

what version?

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Shadow__X:

i am trying to determine if this is supposed to happen. From mythweb i create an asx stream i then take the url that is in that .asx file to see what file is getting pushed. It seems the file that is comming from the asx stream is Recordingname.mpg..mpg is this supposed to happen?

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Shadow__X:

also i tried to word that as best as possible sorry if it is not direct or comprehensible

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Intrepd:

wagnerrp, I originally was using the Ubuntu Lucid package, but then I upgrade to "0.23.1+fixes26006–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu2" from a ppa I found. I was hoping it was a bug that might have been fixed

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Intrepd:

Someone reported a problem like this in March 2009, and I found a bug that was marked fixed

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wagnerrp:

what is mythtv doing, or not doing, when trying to play back?

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Intrepd:

Playback in MythTV is ok – but is not capturing PCR packets on this particular channel.

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wagnerrp:

if playback is fine, whats the problem?

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Intrepd:

Some other applications (VLC/TSReader) can't play the resulting transport stream. PCR is really needed for broadcast quality lipsynch

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Intrepd:

So there are PAT's in the stream that point to a PCR that doesn't exist

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wagnerrp:

as far as i know, mythtv doesnt touch mpeg recordings

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wagnerrp:

it just passes them straight to disk

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wagnerrp:

perhaps open a ticket, post a sample segment of video somewhere

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Intrepd:

This is from March 2009, the same problem I am running into http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/376873

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Intrepd:

if the PCR is in a packet with no payload

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wagnerrp:

PCR packets are supposed to be no less than 10x per second, so a few seconds should be sufficient

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Intrepd:

ok thanks wagnerrp, I'll do that

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justinh:

wagnerrp: DVB stuff is PID filtered to an extent according to the recording profile used

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Intrepd:

The HDHomerun has "hardware" pid filtering – the PCR is signaled in the same PID in the video in this stream. What I'm fearing is that Myth is ignoring TS packets with no payload or because the continuity counter isn't incremented.

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justinh:

come to think.. there've been recordings I couldn't play with VLC in the past – and rather weirdly they played fine in WMP.. or vice-versa

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justinh:

Intrepd: I dunno exactly how the HDHR works in a mythtv context but maybe myth is telling the HDHR what it needs

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justinh:

but as you say if the PCR is in the same PID... er...

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Intrepd:

justinh, yea I think it does, you can query the HDHR as its capturing on what its filtering

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justinh:

unless it's got the same PID but it's not marked as video maybe it's being skipped

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justinh:

there was a ticket opened about something quite similar, recently IIRC

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justinh:

def. about PID type stuff

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Intrepd:

I'll have to check again, I found two that were duplicates and marked fixed

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justinh:

was about adding a new type to be recorded if I remember right

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Intrepd:

I recorded this using TSReader and the printout is from dvbsnoop http://pastebin.com/RU8fmmMe

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justinh:

I have to walk the dog now, so er.. laters :)

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Lt_Dan:

Morning. is there a place on the wiki (or does someone just know) where it discusses minimum CPU to use software rendering of HD-PVR (1080i & 720p) output?

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/HD_Playback_Reports

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wagnerrp:

note that the HDPVR is single sliced

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wagnerrp:

meaning you will only be able to decode single core

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Lt_Dan:

got distracted, but thx wagnerrp

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Lt_Dan:

So those rows on that wiki page are configurations that played smoothly. Very useful.

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Lt_Dan:

got an old P4+AGP VDPAU backend/frontend that has started to lock up lately and so I begin the research into a replacement.

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wagnerrp:

no you dont

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Intrepd:

I didnt think they made AGP cards that supported VDPAU

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Lt_Dan:

right... i meant to type PCI

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wagnerrp:

no one has

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Intrepd:

:)

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Lt_Dan:

it *is* AGP, but that slot is empty ;)

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iamlindoro:

Well lookit that, mythtvtalk went and got themselves an upgrade

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i havent yet gotten used to it

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hugolp:

hi, I installed mythweb from deb and asked it to redirect the root directory to mythweb

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hugolp:

I want to undo that

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hugolp:

can anyone point me to the apache configuration where I can undo it? thanks

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justinh:

/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mythwebblah.conf or something similar

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skd5aner:

i thought it was mythwebeh.conf... maybe different per distro ;)

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justinh:

/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mythweb.conf as it turns out

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Hehehe... reminds me of something a former co-worker used to say... "Will you be here later?" someone would ask him, and he said "Sure, I'll be here or someplace else..." ;-) hehehehe

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justinh:

/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default may have a part to play too

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justinh:

note you'll need to restart apache for any changes to take effect

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hugolp:

justinh: going to check

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justinh:

for a fully detailed answer maybe ask in #mythbuntu & be patient

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hugolp:

I did

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justinh:

and they said?

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justinh:

if nothing, you weren't patient enough :)

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justinh:

maybe you could do it with dpkg-reconfigure too I dunno

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hugolp:

thats actually a good idea

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justinh:

!

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hugolp:

pfffff

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hugolp:

dpkg-reconfigure mythweb changed the user and password, but it did not change the redirection thingy...

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

maybe there's a magic incantation you missed

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justinh:

I remember running into the same issue for a similar reason & having to tweak the apache config files

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wagnerrp:

do the same thing you did last time, but please recite 'do mo rae, klat noc nic tae'

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hugolp:

justinh: I have no idea about apache2 so its probably something very basic that I am missing

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tgm4883:

hugolp, how about, dpkg-reconfigure mythweb

[17:32:04]

sphery:

skd5aner: Same behavior as the previous default--it will read the recordings from local storage first, and if it can't find them, it will stream them.

[17:32:06]

hugolp:

tgm4883: thanks, just tried that and it does not reconfigure correctly

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tgm4883:

hmm

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tgm4883:

hugolp, hmm, I can't go through it right now, but this looks like the code to enable/disable that http://pastebin.com/tgiFJKUH

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hugolp:

checking

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hugolp:

whats a2ensite and a2dissite?

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hugolp:

it seems to be the key

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Intrepd:

"apache 2 enable site" i think

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tgm4883:

hmm, seems to work with our trunk packages. Let me go back to 0.23.1

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hugolp:

I am using the repos packages for ubuntu 10.04

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tgm4883:

hugolp, it does ask you if you are using apache exclusively with mythweb?

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hugolp:

no, it doesnt

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tgm4883:

ok sec

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xyzabc:

I can't get lirc to work, it doesn't seem to create a device, it was working apparently before I upgraded the kernel. anybody know how I should proceed. it doesn't seem to create the device

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tgm4883:

hugolp, IDK, seems to work fine here with mythweb 0.23.0+fixes24104–0ubuntu2

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justinh:

upgrading your kernel would normally mean you need to build/install lirc all over again

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hugolp:

tgm4883: it does not want to work here

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tgm4883:

is it reloading apache after reconfiguring?

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hugolp:

tgm4883: yes, it does

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** tgm4883 shrugs **

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tgm4883:

hugolp, did you try

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tgm4883:

a2ensite default

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tgm4883:

a2dissite default-mythbuntu

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hugolp:

did that, restarted apache, still nothing

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tgm4883:

hugolp, whats in ls /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/

[18:00:12]

hugolp:

000-default

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hugolp:

mythweb.conf

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hugolp:

do I need to run a2ensite and a2dissite as root?

[18:00:53]

tgm4883:

well 000-default is what you should see when we aren't the only one

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tgm4883:

was this an upgrade from a previous version of ubuntu?

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hugolp:

whats that?

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tgm4883:

pastebin your 000-default file

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hugolp:

mmm, I think it wasnt. I re-installed everything because this was a ubuntu LTS

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hugolp:

tgm4883: my 000-default is empty

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tgm4883:

thats odd

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hugolp:

no its not

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hugolp:

I wrote it wrong

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tgm4883:

huh?

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tgm4883:

mines default and it isn't empty

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hugolp:

tgm4883: http://paste.ubuntu.com/486415/

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Gibby:

These are the only inputs on my card http://www.superiorelectronicsonline.com/ebay . . . ner/100_3434 so to use s-video I would need to hook into the RCA's also right?

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wagnerrp:

you mean the red-white audio?

[18:08:24]

wagnerrp:

yes, svideo does not carry its own audio

[18:08:45]

wagnerrp:

so you either need L/R analog, or coax/optical digital

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Gibby:

opps, i took off the red-white audio connectors....

[18:09:16]

wagnerrp:

took off?

[18:09:30]

Gibby:

well i tried unsoldering them first, then just ripped them off....

[18:09:43]

wagnerrp:

well that was a well thought out plan

[18:09:59]

** justinh cackles with joy **

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Intrepd:

epic

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wagnerrp:

you may be able to pick up replacement surface mount plugs at a radioshack

[18:10:07]

wagnerrp:

if not, you can buy them online

[18:10:10]

justinh:

I mean cries a tear of sympathy

[18:10:16]

Gibby:

i know, b/c it would fit in my server with them, however, i guess i can just solder just the cable on

[18:10:18]

wagnerrp:

that is if you havent mangled the board irreparably

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Gibby:

wouldn't

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, you can buy a daughter card and hook into the white header port on that card

[18:11:06]

xyzabc:

o.k. looks like something is screwed up with the loading of lirc... if I do modprobe lirc_i2c things seem to work, but not sure why this is necessary

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Gibby:

well i need 2 audio in's and 2 svideo in's for 2 Directv STB's

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justinh:

hmm not sure why modprobing a module lirc probably needs makes it work? ;-)

[18:11:51]

wagnerrp:

what model card is that?

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xyzabc:

the infared is on pvr-250

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wagnerrp:

i mean Gibby

[18:13:00]

Gibby:

HVR-1600

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Gibby:

No IR Blaster on it tho :(

[18:13:14]

xyzabc:

if I don't do the modprobe then no lirc0 device exists,

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wagnerrp:

that card only has a single analog input

[18:13:26]

wagnerrp:

you cannot hook up two separate STBs

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justinh:

xyzabc: so you need to modprobe the module then :)

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Gibby:

so I need another card then?

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justinh:

been a while since I had to mess with such things but if I remember right you need to add the line to /etc/modules

[18:14:12]

wagnerrp:

the PVR-500 and HVR-2250 are the only cards that support dual analog input with mythtv

[18:14:49]

Gibby:

Ahh ok, do any of them also support Digital ANT in also? So I could have 3 inputs on 1 card?

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xyzabc:

justinh, well that is apparently a workaround but where is the question I found some old stuff that said to put it in modprobe.conf but there is no such file anymore

[18:15:05]

wagnerrp:

they are both dual tuners

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wagnerrp:

the 500 does analog only

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wagnerrp:

the 2250 does analog and digital

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wagnerrp:

thats two total inputs at any given time

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wagnerrp:

in theory, you might be able to use the tuners on the 2250 in digital mode, while accessing the encoders directly with video capture

[18:16:19]

wagnerrp:

but i have no idea whether thats actually possible

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Gibby:

hmm ok, well i am going to try to get this 1 working for now with just svideo or maybe hook up a coax cable till i solder on a audio cable, think i set it up correctly on the backend but the frontend doesn't do anything when i select live tv

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hugolp:

tgm4883: no luck?

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Gibby:

i followed the wiki for setting up my tuner card with Svideo, but i get nothing

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wagnerrp:

check your backend logs

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Gibby:

looks like failed to set channel, i setup svideo1 and didn't specify a channel

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Gibby:

ok i set the channel, this is what is in the logs now http://pastebin.com/rL852Nai

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gizmobay:

On Mythweather, the current conditions don't show any icons. The other screens like 3 day forecast show the icons. I'm in the us.

[18:43:53]

Azelphur:

I've got a little mini-itx machine (A dell Optiplex) and I'm wondering what the best way is to get it connected up to my TV which has Scart, Composite and RF. The optiplex only has DVI and there appears to be no PCI slots.

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wagnerrp:

sounds like you need a scan converter

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wagnerrp:

... or a new TV

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Intrepd:

Can he use a DVI->VGA adapter and then buy a VGA->Composite converter?

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Gibby:

so anyidea on the error i am seeing now?

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Intrepd:

it wouldn't look particularly nice

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wagnerrp:

sure, if that DVI output supports analog

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wagnerrp:

it probably does

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Intrepd:

Azelphur, which optiplex?

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wagnerrp:

better would be something that uses the SCART connector

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wagnerrp:

it has some options for better quality video

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Azelphur:

Intrepd SX280 service tag HR0Y81J

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tgm4883:

hugolp, IDK, looks right to me

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tgm4883:

whats in /var/www/?

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Intrepd:

Azelphur, if you have one of those DVI->VGA dongle things laying around you could just try the VGA output

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Azelphur:

DVI -> VGA -> Scart?

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Intrepd:

Azelphur, dell shipped one with my optiplex

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Azelphur:

yea I got this little thing dirt cheap with no power supply

[18:50:48]

Azelphur:

don't wanna fork out for a power supply to find out there's no way of me getting it to the TV :P

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Azelphur:

and I know that a lot of graphics cards don't support the VGA -> Scart stuff

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Intrepd:

heh the powersupply is the size of a football on mine

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wagnerrp:

if its a scan converter, there is nothing to support

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wagnerrp:

they just output VGA

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Gibby:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1600.html based on that I have the HVR-1600 MC 1101, it has no IR blaster but an extra video in, any idea what inputs are what?

[18:53:50]

Gibby:

disregard

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wagnerrp:

what extra video in?

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justinh:

btw anybody wanna buy a Joggler?

[18:54:59]

hugolp:

whats a joggler?

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Gibby:

it is FM in actually

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wagnerrp:

someone who juggles while they runs

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Gibby:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1600.html in the overview tab

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justinh:

hugolp: 7" touchscreen tablet thingy with wifi & dual core atom CPU

[18:55:45]

justinh:

no battery power though

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hugolp:

tgm4883: in /var/www there are the directories of the different sites (symbolic links actually) and an index.html file

[18:56:18]

justinh:

and no, it won't make a nice myth frontend either.. also not a good web video player (flash on intel video hardware really sucks)

[18:56:20]

Azelphur:

justinh: I have 2 :D

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hugolp:

the index.html file is the apache "it works" file

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Azelphur:

justinh: what? It does make a nice myth frontend.

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justinh:

and the project I had in mind for it.. I just can't be arsed anymore

[18:56:40]

hugolp:

justinh: it might do a nice webserver

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hugolp:

:D

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wagnerrp:

Azelphur: for standard definition content

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justinh:

Azelphur: no it wouldn't. stupid puny atom

[18:57:00]

Azelphur:

justinh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgwjPRBAFrU Your wrong sir! :P

[18:57:01]

justinh:

prone to overheat etc...

[18:57:07]

justinh:

it's YOU'RE

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justinh:

grrr

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Azelphur:

xD

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hugolp:

justinh: my atom 330 can play 480 without problem and sometimes 720p depending on the encoding

[18:57:25]

Azelphur:

yea, it does have an overheating problem, I'm planning on mounting a little fan on the back of mine

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wagnerrp:

weve seen the touchscreen control

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wagnerrp:

pretty cool little demo

[18:57:34]

Azelphur:

besides that as you can see it makes a perfect MythTV frontend

[18:57:39]

Azelphur:

wagnerrp: that's a joggler :)

[18:57:43]

wagnerrp:

but it just doesnt have the power for anything more than standard definition content

[18:57:44]

justinh:

apart from the screensize

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Azelphur:

he's saying they can't be mythtv frontends, they can :D

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iamlindoro:

AHHH

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iamlindoro:

SOMEONE SAID IT

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wagnerrp:

you can run mythfrontend on it

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Azelphur:

I also believe I've played 720p on it

[18:58:08]

justinh:

I said a NICE mythfrontend :D

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Azelphur:

it does have hardware acceleration

[18:58:17]

justinh:

yeah but what bitrate? :P

[18:58:18]

iamlindoro:

Why would someone say it when they KNOW that saying "Perfect MythTV Frontend" is worth a kick

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Azelphur:

low xD

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Azelphur:

I could try some buck bunny on it later see how it does

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justinh:

anyway, I'm getting rid of it for £50 to the bloke at work who wants it. I'd ebay it but I really cannot be bothered

[18:59:03]

iamlindoro:

Big Buck Bunny is trivial bitrate

[18:59:11]

iamlindoro:

use real samples, not just internet garbage

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trumee:

Azelphur: i also have mythfrontend running on my joggler :)

[18:59:22]

Azelphur:

indeed, it's fun :D

[18:59:26]

justinh:

try a bluray rip :D

[18:59:30]

trumee:

it makes a perfect kitchen device.

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Azelphur:

overheating is a problem though, trumee did you fix overheating?

[18:59:41]

Azelphur:

trumee: yea that's what I wanna do with mine

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wagnerrp:

buckbunny is ~8mbps, and multisliced

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trumee:

Azelphur: no, i dont have overheating problems

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wagnerrp:

fairly trivial for a dual core atom to decode, compared to the normally recorded content

[19:00:00]

Azelphur:

trumee: live in canada? :D

[19:00:14]

justinh:

might've been quite good for me, if slimserver wasn't such a piece of crap

[19:00:15]

trumee:

Azelphur: usually i watch SDTV content

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wagnerrp:

Azelphur: the reason the joggler overheats isnt because of a lack of fan

[19:00:24]

wagnerrp:

its because it has a plastic heatsink

[19:00:35]

wagnerrp:

a .... PLASTIC .... heatsink

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: when I shove my big desk fan behind it it cools down and becomes responsive again :)

[19:00:44]

wagnerrp:

one more time for effect... its PLASTIC

[19:00:51]

justinh:

the slim player clients are okay.. you can easily restart them... but the server... meh

[19:00:52]

Azelphur:

so NOT COPPER.

[19:01:01]

justinh:

not even metalised plastic :D

[19:01:11]

wagnerrp:

they glued an insulator onto the top of that processor

[19:01:13]

trumee:

Azelphur: the only issue i had was the wireless driver was pathetic, had frequent disconnects. But now i have replaced the driver and install wicd it is going very well.

[19:01:21]

wagnerrp:

only a fool wouldnt expect that to cause problems

[19:01:22]

Azelphur:

nice :)

[19:01:24]

stuartm:

wagnerrp: but it must be some futuristic plastic that's as good as metal in conducting heat, right?

[19:01:52]

justinh:

anyway unless somebody here can offer me more cash, tomorrow somebody pulls £50 from their wallet & I give the joggler to them

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justinh:

could do with some extra money since I don't exactly have enough free time to fiddle with it

[19:02:30]

Azelphur:

hehe

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trumee:

Azelphur: what is the symptom for over-heating? does the system become less responsive?

[19:02:47]

Azelphur:

trumee: yea, it slows down alot

[19:02:52]

Gibby:

Calling hauppauge to see if I can get the pin out for my audio in on my card

[19:02:58]

Azelphur:

I don't usually get it unless I'm using it for desktopy things

[19:03:22]

trumee:

Azelphur: sometimes, mythfrontend becomes jittery it starts looses video. maybe that is due to over heating.

[19:03:33]

Azelphur:

maybe

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trumee:

*loosing

[19:03:59]

Azelphur:

also *sigh* at the comments on my video

[19:04:11]

Azelphur:

99% of comments are people asking me stuff that's clearly stated in the video/description >.<

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wagnerrp:

Azelphur: what did you expect, its youtube

[19:04:45]

Azelphur:

lol

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Azelphur:

I keep getting pm's too about it

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iamlindoro:

exactly-- you wanted attention, you got it

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wagnerrp:

im wondering about the 'i soo had backstage sneak peaks'

[19:05:24]

Azelphur:

I wanted constructive attention, "That's cool, I did this which made it better", "I took this route", "I have a problem how do I..."

[19:05:32]

wagnerrp:

one of those guys sneak into your dressing room?

[19:05:33]

wagnerrp:

:)

[19:05:41]

Azelphur:

wagnerrp: haha, that was one of my friends I showed it off to when I had it booting :D

[19:06:08]

Azelphur:

and the blooper, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/2010-04-19%2021.32.32.jpg

[19:06:14]

Azelphur:

that's the power cable in front of the screen, there.

[19:06:33]

trumee:

Azelphur: i would like to get rid of gnome altogether. a busybox + mythfrontend will be better i think

[19:07:00]

Azelphur:

yea, I'm don't know anything about cutting down linux distros :(

[19:07:07]

Azelphur:

I use Ubuntu because it's easy hehe

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trumee:

Azelphur: i have mythfrontend running on my gentoo box with evilwm

[19:07:44]

Azelphur:

:D

[19:08:37]

justinh:

tempted to log in & comment "U R SO GAY". seems to be the done thing on all comments

[19:08:56]

trumee:

With joggler since there is no keyboard, it might be difficult to sort out issues if something goes wrong

[19:09:02]

wagnerrp:

Azelphur: does that actually have a chip with decent VAAPI support? or just XvMC?

[19:09:11]

justinh:

which is why I totally disable comments on every upload I do :)

[19:09:24]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: it's a poulsbo chip-- so as decent as any VAAPI support, which ain't much ;)

[19:09:35]

Azelphur:

trumee: plug usb keyboard in :)

[19:09:36]

Gibby:

hauppauge needs to get better hold music

[19:09:40]

justinh:

heh

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justinh:

I wish hold music had never even been invented

[19:10:08]

Gibby:

So this is what I get now when I select Watch TV http://pastebin.com/wvFpNzvC

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trumee:

Azelphur: yes, i tried a usb extension but joggler wasnt happy booting off the usb drive then.

[19:10:32]

Gibby:

atleast it is not loud, it is really soft

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Azelphur:

trumee: worked for me

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justinh:

I dunno what loud is anymore. my eardrums have been shredded since I got home

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justinh:

little Tom has a new feature: altitude detection

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Gibby:

For S-Video what do I use for Preset tuner to channel?

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justinh:

whatever channel exists for that video source

[19:17:13]

Gibby:

but it is svideo, it is only 1 source

[19:17:58]

iamlindoro:

Sounds like you're trying to do something like capture a game system or DVD player or something-- ie, not using myth as it is intended

[19:18:06]

Gibby:

it is connected to the STB

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iamlindoro:

S-video in works fine for multiple channels, you just use a channel changer script to change them externally

[19:18:33]

iamlindoro:

So you create a source with all the channels on the STb, and then use an IR blaster to do the channel changing in a channel change script

[19:18:51]

Shadow__X:

are the .asx files that mythweb provides supposed to provide files like this recording.mpg..mpg?

[19:20:33]

Gibby:

well it doesn't have an ir blaster, i am going to use usb/serial-null modem-serial/usb

[19:21:19]

Gibby:

which brings be back to the question what do i put in for preset tuner to channel for svideo since it is not really a tuner

[19:22:06]

iamlindoro:

Gibby: Again, you create a video source with *all* the channels on your STb, then you set an external channel change script, we don't care *what method you are using to change them, that work gets done in the script

[19:22:34]

iamlindoro:

S-video is not a tuner, you leave preset tuner to channel blank

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Gibby:

all i was looking for :)

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Gibby:

I already created the video source with ALL the channels for my STB

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iamlindoro:

As ever, no good deed goes unpunished

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Gibby:

bummer, I as hoping that was the issue i was having still, with the card

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KjetilK:

I've written a small MythNetvision grabber (for now for private use, since the site's ToS is unclear and they don't respond to emails) in Perl. I've tried to find it using "Manage Site Subscriptions", and I've inserted a warn at the beginning of the script, and I see no evidence the script is ever called.

[19:26:36]

KjetilK:

the script is in /usr/share/mythtv/mythnetvision/scripts (this is on Ubuntu 10.04) and it runs fine on command line

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KjetilK:

what do I do to get mythnetvision to recognize it?

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iamlindoro:

KjetilK: what is the output of ./yourscript -v?

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KjetilK:

some XML, I can pastebin

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wagnerrp:

it must follow the format detailed here... http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythNetvision_Grabber_ . . . rsion_Output

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iamlindoro:

KjetilK: If you are on 10.04, presumably you are running MythTV .23?

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KjetilK:

iamlindoro, right

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iamlindoro:

KjetilK: Sounds like you are using trunk version format with .23

[19:28:45]

iamlindoro:

.23 would be like MythGrabber|TS

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KjetilK:

http://pastebin.com/2R9BFm7A

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iamlindoro:

check the version output of your other scripts

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iamlindoro:

The above is *trunk* format output, not .23

[19:29:11]

iamlindoro:

that is, your pastebin is

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iamlindoro:

Which is incorrect for .23

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KjetilK:

ah

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iamlindoro:

The good news is that it ought to mostly work fine in trunk :P

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KjetilK:

:-)

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iamlindoro:

Well, mostly anyway-- you'd need to get rid of your text at the top

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iamlindoro:

since that will not properly parse

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iamlindoro:

ie putting raw text in before XML breaks XML parsing

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KjetilK:

iamlindoro, that's the warn I talked about

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iamlindoro:

KjetilK: correct, that will prevent it working in *any* version

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KjetilK:

right, but it goes to STDERR

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iamlindoro:

Should be fine then

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KjetilK:

yeah, I was hoping it was going to be logged

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iamlindoro:

nope

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KjetilK:

ok

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KjetilK:

then there's no point in having it there

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KjetilK:

anyway, is there any docs for MythNetvision 0.23 ?

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KjetilK:

s/is/are/

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KjetilK:

or, is it possible to use MythNetvision 0.24 on an otherwise 0.23 system?

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iamlindoro:

The docs are always kept in step with the development version

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iamlindoro:

with the exception of version output, anything else should work mostly normally

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iamlindoro:

and no, you can't use the .24 version on .23

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KjetilK:

ok

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KjetilK:

and the -v output is

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KjetilK:

Name|S for search, T for tree?

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trumee:

guys, this is OT but my /var/lib/mysql has grown upto 15GB. Is there anyway to get rid of mysql-bin.* files?

[19:48:08]

iamlindoro:

KjetilK: yes

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iamlindoro:

and ST/TS/whatever for both

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Intrepd:

trumee, if you google that problem, I think there is a mysql.conf parameter to expire those logs out

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Intrepd:

trumee, if they are what I think they are

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KjetilK:

iamlindoro, nice

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iamlindoro:

KjetilK: obviously the trunk version output is much more informative (and better for use in the UI)

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KjetilK:

iamlindoro, yeah, I can imagine

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trumee:

Intrepd: thanks. http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/what-is-mysql-binary-log/

[19:50:55]

Intrepd:

trumee, yea thats it, no problem.

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KjetilK:

I have to look into it some time, but I have a relatively low wife acceptance factor to deal with, and very little spare time these days

[19:53:55]

Gibby:

so i disconnected the svideo and set it up to the tuner card and set it to preset to channel 3 for my directv STB. I select watch TV it says Please Wait then drops back to the main menu, the backend logs only show ProgramInfo...Updated pathname

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wagnerrp:

im sure they show more than that

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wagnerrp:

could you pastebin them?

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Shadow__X:

Gibby: i thought you were told to leave the preset channel blank

[19:55:11]

Shadow__X:

unless i am mistaken

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Gibby:

yes, when i was using svideo, i am user tuner now

[19:55:43]

Gibby:

since i don't have audio on svideo yet, waiting for hauppauge to get back to me with the correct pin outs

[19:56:54]

andreax1:

Any idea why dpms is blanking my screen while i watch a show? Am i alone or is this a bug in mythfrontend (svn from yesterday)?

[19:57:28]

Gibby:

http://pastebin.com/L0uyXyJe

[19:58:24]

iamlindoro:

Gibby: what what whaaat? S-video doesn't carry audio

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gibby: audio on svideo?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: he ripped the L/R RCA plugs off his card

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iamlindoro:

ugh

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gibby: You need to use the RCA audio inputs (woops, iamlindoro beat me...) ^^^ eh? ouch.

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iamlindoro:

sounds nice

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Gibby:

yes :) wouldn't fit in the server with them on, they are sending me the pin outs so I can solder the cable on directly, until then i was going to try to use the tuner

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wagnerrp:

Gibby: thats all you have in your backend logs? nothing else?

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Gibby:

do you want all the logs? I just did a tail -f and copied what happened after i selected wathc tv

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gibby: Why can't you just solder the wires to where the RCA jacks once were?

[20:00:27]

Gibby:

J-e-f-f-A: That is what I am going to do, just didn't write them down first....

[20:00:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

Gibby: Oh, well, which card is it?

[20:00:55]

Gibby:

HVR-1600 MC

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gibby: Just google for pictures of that card, and look at the 'end' shot to see what color the jacks are – Red is Right, White is Left... ;-)

[20:01:49]

Gibby:

yes i know that part, but what is shield and what is center....

[20:02:11]

dougl:

Any mythbuntu 10.4 users here – trying to enable vdpau on mythtv on mythbuntu 10.4 any suggestions would be appreciated.

[20:02:20]

Shadow__X:

any ideas on the .asx file? surely someone must use this feature

[20:02:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

That's easy if they were standard RCA jacks.... it'd have something like this... |.| – where the two slots on the side are the sheld, the little pin in the middle is the signal.

[20:02:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

(ie right-angle jacks soldered on the board)

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KjetilK:

dougl, http://mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#Enabling_VDPAU_in_MythFrontend worked for me

[20:03:41]

Gibby:

ahhh, hold i have pictures of it

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: It just lets you access the file as a network resource. IIRC there's an issue with it in -fixes [I may bemistaken]

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dougl:

KjetilK, thanks was just going to try it.

[20:08:00]

Gibby:

http://gibby1313.horus.feralhosting.com/gibbypub/104_1444.JPG

[20:08:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: I have used it in the past to play myth recordings with VLC on Winders.

[20:08:07]

Gibby:

cred=mythpub for both

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah i am starting to see that now my issue is my .asx file was giving me errors while trying to access the stream through a ssh proxy so then i took a look at the url within the file. i put that file in firefox and opened it and was presented with a file like this Recordingname.mpg..mpg. So i was trying to see if thats the expected behavior or if this is a bug

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: Keep in mind – you won't be able to play an ASX stream via the web unless your upstream bandwidth is massive... Because it's accessing the 'raw' file, non-compressed.

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wagnerrp:

original recording, not 'raw'

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sphery:

Shadow__X: pretty sure that's an already-fixed bug

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: ah right thanks i forgot about that and although my upload is decent 10Mbps still not huge

[20:15:07]

sphery:

Shadow__X: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7599 + all the duplicates of it

[20:15:16]

sphery:

so update your system

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: I could probably do it... My FiOS link is 35/35 now... ;-) MuWaHaHa!!!

[20:17:58]

Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: my download is better than your download

[20:18:21]

Shadow__X:

sphery: thanks i am looking at that now

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: yeah, thanks... I thought it had been fixed, but wasn't sure – as I haven't been following the commits closely and haven't tried the asx link in a while now...

[20:20:32]

bradd_:

is osx-packager.pl broken for anyone else or is it just me? seems to be skipping building mythtv

[20:20:59]

bradd_:

hadnt seen any emails about it but may have missed it

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Shadow__X:

bradd_: depending on os x version you have to change a few things

[20:21:22]

bradd_:

snow leopard

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Shadow__X:

bradd_: there are a few things you have to do. you have to open the file and edit a few things in there

[20:22:16]

bradd_:

is there a ticket open with the instructions by any chance?

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A / Shadow__X : I have 750 upstream

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sphery:

*cough*kbps*cough*

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs at sphery **

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Shadow__X:

sphery: its ok arent you in uk?

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J-e-f-f-A:

FL

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Shadow__X:

bradd_: no but there is open the file with text edit and search

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Shadow__X:

ah

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Shadow__X:

sphery: i am running

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sphery:

no, I'm in the US... We can't have good bandwidth because it involves corporate spending that corporations don't want to do

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bradd_:

the osx-packager.pl file i assume?

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Shadow__X:

bradd_: yes

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Shadow__X:

sphery: oh ok

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Shadow__X:

i am running 0.23.1.201000710–1

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sphery:

as a matter of fact, today, my 'net radio has been going on and off all day so even my downstream is bad

[20:25:50]

sphery:

Shadow__X: look at the revision in --version output

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iamlindoro:

That's just because I keep downloading your vacation photos

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sphery:

oh, it seems, also, that fix wasn't backported to 0.23-fixes

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sphery:

Shadow__X: so, you may need to apply those 2 paches

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: That's ok, I had 0kbps down/up for a day and a half as my wife didn't pay the bill and they shut me off... that got fixed pretty quick...

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sphery:

iamlindoro: heh

[20:28:11]

sphery:

wow, I can't believe they shut you off that quick

[20:28:39]

sphery:

usually here they'll go at least one extra billing cycle and just charge you a(n exorbitant) late fee

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Yeah, to my suprise there was no late fee, and no reinstatment fee... I just had to pay the overdue balance, and it was back on within minutes...

[20:29:35]

sphery:

wow

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sphery:

doesn't sound like my provider

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: thats weird

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Shadow__X:

sphery: both of the patches say suffix.patch they seem like different revisions of each other do i still apply both

[20:30:29]

sphery:

Shadow__X: apply the change sets

[20:31:23]

sphery:

oh, and it looks like the first one should be in 0.23

[20:31:30]

sphery:

the 2nd one isn't

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sphery:

Shadow__X: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/25388?fo . . . mp;new=25388

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Well, I was on auto-pay for the last 4 years, but just added FiOS TV HD two months ago, and I guess they disabled the auto-pay at that time...

[20:32:15]

sphery:

ahhh, yeah, if it's something like that, I'd have made sure they didn't charge me anything

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Shadow__X:

sphery: thanks how do i apply it

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sphery:

my provider did something similar once--I got them to drop the late fee since they were supposed to be paying themselves on time for me

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sphery:

Shadow__X: with that patch, you could just open the file that it changes (mythweb/modules/stream/stream_raw.pl) and delete .$suffix (see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/25388 )

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Shadow__X:

sphery: oh ok i thought i was supposed to apply the .diff

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sphery:

either way works

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sphery:

one is just manual and the other is semi-automated-after-you-figure-out-patch

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bradd_:

this i found it..had to comment out where it checks for $comp.pro

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bradd_:

think

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Gibby:

sorry I am back, was pulled into a meeting; J-e-f-f-A: Did you see the picture of my card?

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Gibby:

http://pastebin.com/TEt3YyYX so it looks like since I don't have the channel changing in place yet, it errors out and exits on trying to watch tv.....

[20:46:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

Gibby: http://www.shspvr.com/pvr_model/haup_hvr-1600mce.jpg <-- right?

[20:47:20]

Gibby:

yep, but i sent the link of mine with the 2 plugs removed, can't tell 100% which one is the shield

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gibby – You still have the rca jacks, right? Got a multimeter?

[20:48:13]

Gibby:

nope, tossed the jacks, yes have a multimeter

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J-e-f-f-A:

Well, the pads near the 'plate' side should be the shield (ground), and the 'top' one should be the Left channel, the bottom one the Right. (Gee, doesn't even look like you un-soldered them – I hope you didn't damage any of the layers of the circuit board...)

[20:51:47]

KjetilK:

I'm getting closer with my little grabber. Now, I've gotten to the point where a player pops up. It is supposed to load a WMV using MMS. The feed validates, check with xmllint, and I've confirmed that VLC is able to play the video on the same system

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KjetilK:

Mythnetvision sits there with a white screen, saying "Loading"

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KjetilK:

One thing, though, I included the MMS URL in both the link and url field

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Gibby:

my wife got overzealous, i was under soldering them and she was pulling, i don't think the board is damaged at all

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wagnerrp:

mythnetvision is currently designed to handle video through a browser, normally flash

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KjetilK:

didn't quite grok if I should or should not include it

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wagnerrp:

the support for downloadable content is much less developed

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KjetilK:

wagnerrp, oh, ok

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KjetilK:

also, I'm on 0.23, which doesn't make the situation any better, I suppose...

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KjetilK:

this site is using Silverlight, I'm just hacking my way through the (silly) container to get to the MMS

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KjetilK:

would I be better off not doing that?

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wagnerrp:

you mean moonlight, in a browser?

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wagnerrp:

moonlight does not support the silverlight DRM schemes

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wagnerrp:

so it may not work as you hope

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gibby: Take your multimeter, and measure between ground (the metal shield on the s-video jack should od the trick) and the 'pad' closest to where the plate should be – it should be 0 ohms. Measuing to the other pin should be high resistance, 10K ohm...

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Gibby:

J-e-f-f-A: Didn't even think about that thanks!

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KjetilK:

wagnerrp, there is no DRM on this solution, they are only using it as a container

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Shadow__X:

is there a way to live transcode recordings so i could watch them when i am not at home?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: The Flowplayer – assuming your cpu is fast enough...

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wagnerrp:

silverlight is not a container

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wagnerrp:

its microsoft's alternative to flash

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: My Athlon 64 6000+ X2 isn't fast enough to transcode h.264 though...

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KjetilK:

hmmm

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: right but that would pput it in flash i was thinking something like ffmpeg to make a temporary file and stream it

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: There was a non-maintained un-official plugin several versions ago called "MythStreamTV" that worked well for that, but it required a specially compiled vesion of vlc, and wasn't maintained beyond about 0.19...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: I had it working well even on 0.20, but never took the time to make it work on anything newer.

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KjetilK:

wagnerrp, I know that it is MS Flash competitor, but to me, it appears as an XML file containing some crap, some DRM description stuff, and possibly a link to a video stream

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: And besides, h.264 at max bitrate is really tough on a CPU, so I couldn't get away with real-time transcoding with my current cpu...

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KjetilK:

so, I could be wrong, but I'll just experiment a bit and see what mythnetvision thinks about it :-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: (By h.264 at max bitrate – I mean HD-PVR recordings in 1080i at max bitrate...)

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: right i gotcha

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J-e-f-f-A:

MS wrote Flash? I didn't know that...

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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KjetilK:

MS' Flash competitor, then :-)

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KjetilK:

well, MS' competitor to Flash, whatever :-)

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Shadow__X:

which netflix uses :(

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: I think it's still floating around out there somewhere – maybe you can put it to good use. I had actually patched my 'recorded programs' screen to have streaming links right on it – similar to the current 'asx link' and 'direct download' links that we have now, but it's been several years...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: I used it to stream baseball games and Nascar races for co-workers. ;-) They were blown away...

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: hmm yeah it might be worthwill looking at that

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: It was just a series of web pages, and the end result when you clicked on the 'stream' button was it kicking of an instance of vlc with all the details about the stream type, bit rate, frame rate, etc. Then you just opened up your player and pointed it to http://your.ip.or.dns:8001 or mms://your.ip.or.dns:8001 – whatever you set it to... worked pretty nice...

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: nice yeah i know there are streaming parts of vlc. there should also be a way to skip and resume streams as well

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: yeah, this implementation didn't allow that directly, although you could pull up the 'web' control interface of the vlc instance and do some limited control of it...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: I may tinker with it again too – With the aim to be able to stream my recordings to my Droid. ;-) (the flash player works, but is quite notchy as you can imagine...) — Oh yeah, using 'mythstreamtv', my buddy was streaming my recordings to his iPhone... ;-) That was fun...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: But I need MOAR Ghz to have a hope of transoding my 1080i HD-PVR recorings in real-time... DOH!

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah that would be interesting

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KjetilK:

does 0.23 support player and playerargs tags in mythnetvision?

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Gibby:

If I give mythbackend the script I am going to uses to change my channel even tho I don't have the cable set up yet, I should still be able to test the audio and video right?

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Gibby:

new error now when trying to watch tv http://pastebin.com/MY2fZ72P

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wagnerrp:

nuv? i thought you were recording off an HVR-1600

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Gibby:

I know

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wagnerrp:

know what?

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Gibby:

the nuv thing, i am using a hvr-1600

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wagnerrp:

meaning you cant record, because you have the tuner set up wrong

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Gibby:

hmmm uhhh ok, back to the wiki i guess

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wagnerrp:

you set up your tuner card as a V4L capture device

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wagnerrp:

but you have an MPEG2 capture device

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Gibby:

ugghhh, i hate new learning curves

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justinh:

ah yeah I forgot to point out what I always think should be obvious: mythtv-setup desn't autodetect what kind of tuner you have

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wagnerrp:

something which should be rectified for 0.25

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wagnerrp:

it will detect tuners of a certain type

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Gibby:

sweet it is working, you guys areaweomse

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wagnerrp:

but it will not simply provide you a list of what is available

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Gibby:

now just for the channel changing thing

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justinh:

right, I'm off to my happy place now

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Gibby:

I understand that screen now, I saw a post talking about the stuttering of this card, any1 have that bookmarked my chance?

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hipitihop:

thanks for the pointer by stuartm yesterday, I'm now happily running vlc 1.1.4 on ubuntu which has upnp support built in and works well with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

if youre running ubuntu, why not just install the frontend

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sphery:

because it's not /universal/ :)

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hipitihop:

last time I tried that many months ago on another machine, it created some confusion with the normal desktop installation on that machine

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hipitihop:

but more importantly, I really just want simple playback ability without necessarily giving kids in the house an easy ability to manage mythtv and particularly schedule recordings etc, but perhaps that's achievable with frontend also, just seems a hevier solution then vlc

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hipitihop:

s/hevier/heavier

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ComradeHaz`:

Hey guys. I just used the screen size wizard to adjust my screen as it didn't seem to be fitting quite correctly even though the resolution was correct, but it's gone mad; it's somehow reduced the size of teh picture while maintaining the original resolution but eac time I try to adjust it, even if I move the arrows outrside the new small picture it gets smaller and smaller and I cannot set the...

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ComradeHaz`:

display area back to the full 'native resolution' of my projector. How do I clear the screen size settings?!

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