| Monday, August 30th, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:16] | Beirdo: | myth_system is as of now... thread-safe (as far as I can tell), and should no longer be missing any SIGCHLD |
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| [00:07:21] | i_is_cat: | i think both backends just had to be restarted or something because it seems to work now |
| [00:14:00] | i_is_cat: | yep i just tested it and both cards are functional thats awesome |
| [00:14:33] | i_is_cat: | how do i get the composite input to work with a wii? it is complaining about not having a preset channel.. |
| [00:16:41] | wagnerrp: | you dont |
| [00:16:55] | sphery: | Beirdo: No SIGCHLD left behind! |
| [00:17:03] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is going to have several seconds of latency between capture and playback |
| [00:17:05] | wagnerrp: | even in 'livetv' |
| [00:17:13] | wagnerrp: | not something you want to use in an interactive session |
| [00:17:18] | wagnerrp: | and certainly not for a game console |
| [00:17:29] | i_is_cat: | i dont care about the latency, is it possible? |
| [00:17:44] | wagnerrp: | sure, but youll have to make a dummy channel to use for that input |
| [00:18:01] | i_is_cat: | is there some guide on how to setup a dummy channel like you say? |
| [00:18:11] | wagnerrp: | not really |
| [00:18:21] | wagnerrp: | youre in undocumented territory there |
| [00:19:03] | i_is_cat: | would you mind helping me out? :) its something ive been wanting to do for a long time |
| [00:19:08] | Beirdo: | sphery: yeah, something like that :) |
| [00:19:41] | Beirdo: | and I have enough debug logging in there that if it acts retarded, I should be able to help from the logs |
| [00:19:41] | wagnerrp: | go into the channel editor, and add a channel for that dummy source |
| [00:20:08] | sphery: | wow, someone was busy with the commits |
| [00:20:10] | Beirdo: | now I wait for a clean build to finish so I can restart the backend as well |
| [00:20:28] | ** sphery thinks it's now dinner time ** | |
| [00:20:34] | wagnerrp: | sphery: but hes so fast, only 2 minutes for all 15 of em |
| [00:20:45] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:21:16] | Beirdo: | 23 to go to hit 26000 |
| [00:21:25] | Beirdo: | told ya we'd make it, didn't I? :) |
| [00:21:31] | wagnerrp: | ive got one for you right here |
| [00:21:36] | wagnerrp: | and another on the way |
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| [00:25:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: wow, that is fast |
| [00:26:25] | sphery: | only a month ago, my system would have taken 1/5 that time to just make a single connection |
| [00:27:53] | sphery: | I think I might need an iron pill... My RF remote is working well today. |
| [00:28:10] | Beirdo: | here, eat this re-bar |
| [00:28:18] | sphery: | num, num |
| [00:28:58] | Beirdo: | one other thing that's annoying me. |
| [00:29:09] | wagnerrp: | airline food |
| [00:29:13] | Beirdo: | the previews from 1080i with the green bar on the bottom |
| [00:29:19] | wagnerrp: | i mean, why is it so bad? |
| [00:29:25] | i_is_cat: | on the channel options – video4linux section, the first setting; frequency or channel. any recommendations? |
| [00:29:29] | Beirdo: | playback isn't showing it, but previews do |
| [00:29:52] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you try cooking for thousands of people at a time and have the food not suck :) |
| [00:30:41] | Beirdo: | they should just put BBQs on every plane |
| [00:30:50] | wagnerrp: | oof, seems my png library got updated by something |
| [00:31:28] | Beirdo: | png! right off the head |
| [00:31:30] | sphery: | perhaps because of the major security hole? |
| [00:31:57] | Beirdo: | so when are they going to upgrade Paris Hilton? |
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| [00:32:21] | wagnerrp: | to what? 2.hoe? |
| [00:32:25] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:32:43] | sphery: | http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/libpng.html has a nice mention of the security hole |
| [00:33:06] | Beirdo: | sorry, I'll stop there in the name of keeping the channel somewhat family friendly, shall we say? |
| [00:33:28] | wagnerrp: | im only talking about gardening implements, what are you talking about? |
| [00:33:39] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [00:34:06] | Beirdo: | come on, myth, finish building... got recordings starting at 6 |
| [00:34:22] | wagnerrp: | a bit late... its like 8:30 |
| [00:35:46] | Beirdo: | I got 25min |
| [00:35:49] | Pluribus: | new FFMPEG works great. Went though all my videos and they seemed correct to me :-) no more libfaad2 for me :-) |
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| [00:38:02] | wagnerrp: | is it true? did it compile? |
| [00:38:05] | wagnerrp: | i think it actually did |
| [00:40:05] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you are getting compilage? |
| [00:40:25] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [00:40:30] | Beirdo: | yay |
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| [00:40:43] | Beirdo: | another irrelevant platform working! |
| [00:40:47] | wagnerrp: | woo! |
| [00:40:51] | ** Beirdo ducks and runs ** | |
| [00:41:04] | Pluribus: | which one? |
| [00:41:08] | ** wagnerrp stabs at Beirdo with a pitchfork ** | |
| [00:41:12] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:41:19] | Beirdo: | you little red devil, you |
| [00:41:32] | wagnerrp: | hey now, hes a daemon |
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| [00:41:45] | Pluribus: | Ah FreeBSD :-) |
| [00:41:47] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:42:16] | Pluribus: | Havent touched BSD since 386BSD |
| [00:42:28] | Beirdo: | glad you got it working :) |
| [00:42:45] | Beirdo: | I actually would care more about FreeBSD than Windows, personally |
| [00:42:59] | jst: | I built (twice) and downloaded a precompiled version of the Windows client and I'm getting the following error: "Protocol version mismatch (frontend=23056,backend=56)" ... Any ideas? |
| [00:43:11] | wagnerrp: | you have an old backend |
| [00:43:16] | wagnerrp: | upgrade to 0.23.1 |
| [00:43:24] | Pluribus: | Beirdo, Amen to that :-) |
| [00:43:28] | jst: | I'm using mythbuntu-repos... shouldn't that take care of it? :) |
| [00:43:59] | jst: | Ahh, 0.23.1. |
| [00:44:01] | jst: | Nevermind. :) |
| [00:44:03] | jst: | Thanks, wagnerrp. |
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| [00:45:52] | Pluribus: | Ok, r25977 built lets see if it works :-) |
| [00:46:39] | janneg: | wagnerrp: do you have binutils installed into /usr/local/bin? |
| [00:46:51] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [00:47:24] | janneg: | ok, different version than /usr/bin I presume |
| [00:48:17] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [00:48:35] | wagnerrp: | i installed that because i was having problems compiling |
| [00:48:36] | janneg: | COMPILER_PATH let's gcc search there for the programs it calls, see http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Environment-Variables.html |
| [00:48:47] | wagnerrp: | but i dont remember if that was for the int64 stuff |
| [00:48:52] | wagnerrp: | or the assembler stuff |
| [00:49:05] | janneg: | no the assembler error in vp5.c |
| [00:49:28] | wagnerrp: | right, im saying i was having compile issues prior to the assembler issues |
| [00:49:48] | wagnerrp: | i installed binutils to try to fix compile issues |
| [00:49:52] | wagnerrp: | but i dont rememebr which set of compile issues |
| [00:50:41] | Beirdo: | janneg: nice work on the mucho cleanup there :) |
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| [00:51:10] | janneg: | I was only aware of the assembler issues and LONG_LONG_MIN |
| [00:51:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, those were the two issues |
| [00:51:28] | Beirdo: | hmmm. |
| [00:51:40] | Beirdo: | seems External Tuning is not using myth_system :) |
| [00:57:30] | wagnerrp: | janneg: it fails assembly with the built in utilities |
| [00:57:48] | wagnerrp: | i need the tools in binutils, and that environmental variable to tell the compiler to use them |
| [01:00:04] | janneg: | wagnerrp: we were wondering why setting COMPILER_PATH was fixing the assembler issues earlier today. I wasn't aware that you had newer binutils in /usr/local |
| [01:00:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i think that was one of the first things you told me to try |
| [01:00:29] | wagnerrp: | someone told me to try it |
| [01:01:18] | Beirdo: | Hmmm. |
| [01:01:33] | Beirdo: | I guess I should extend myth_system to include a timeout... |
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| [01:13:39] | Beirdo: | Hmmm./win 16 |
| [01:13:41] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:13:43] | Beirdo: | I suck |
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| [01:26:05] | janneg: | Beirdo: I prefer ESC-y |
| [01:28:05] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:30:19] | janneg: | wagnerrp: strange, I'm sure I change the LONG_LONG_MIN in mythplayer.h. probably forgot to save. thanks |
| [01:30:43] | wagnerrp: | no worries, at least it let me know what i should change |
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| [01:56:03] | Beirdo: | oh this should be fun |
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| [01:56:40] | Beirdo: | other than Abort() support, external channel changing support is now using myth_system (in testing) |
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| [01:57:33] | Beirdo: | I'll consider how to do abort support... but not yet :) |
| [01:57:47] | Beirdo: | gotta make sure the timeouts work |
| [02:04:27] | Beirdo: | haHA |
| [02:04:42] | Beirdo: | I think one of my changes may even fix the hangng previewgen issue |
| [02:05:00] | Beirdo: | or at least part of it |
| [02:05:09] | Beirdo: | 2010-08–29 19:00:02.894 Cleared parent's verbose lock |
| [02:05:09] | Beirdo: | 2010-08–29 19:00:02.894 PID 30588: launched |
| [02:05:32] | wagnerrp: | crap... libexif seems to want me to compile a new version of gcc |
| [02:05:39] | wagnerrp: | this may take some time |
| [02:05:40] | Beirdo: | that could have caused a lockup of the child |
| [02:06:03] | Beirdo: | 2010-08–29 19:00:26.360 PID 30900: launched |
| [02:06:03] | Beirdo: | 2010-08–29 19:00:26.395 PID 30588: exited: status=0, result=0 |
| [02:06:19] | Beirdo: | and there's a perfect example of why I wanted it threaded :) |
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| [02:12:48] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [02:12:58] | Beirdo: | now to force a timeout |
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| [02:15:28] | Beirdo: | timeouts work |
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| [03:05:55] | nightwalk: | Can anyone point me to a more mythtv-friendly case? The ones I found have no place for an ir reciever :/ |
| [03:06:31] | [R]: | i think i'm jjust gonna cut a hole in mine |
| [03:06:32] | nightwalk: | This is the best I've found so far: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.as . . . se%20with%20 |
| [03:06:44] | Shadow__X: | thats what i call a link |
| [03:06:45] | [R]: | i was gonna replace the "on" led with it... but i dunno if i really like that |
| [03:07:36] | nightwalk: | Perils of dumping the description as GET data :) |
| [03:08:33] | nightwalk: | I thought about that, too. Don't think it'd work too well replacing the on button, and I wouldn't be able to tell whether the unit was off or on besides. |
| [03:09:00] | [R]: | i thought about the reset button |
| [03:09:05] | [R]: | cuz i have reset which is very small and circular |
| [03:09:30] | [R]: | http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=MzA= |
| [03:09:36] | [R]: | that's what i have... they have some nice cases i think |
| [03:09:38] | nightwalk: | Only way I could see carving up the case working is if I could get my hands on a piece of darkened plexiglass or something |
| [03:09:59] | nightwalk: | Antec is ungodly expensive (and for no reason), though |
| [03:10:28] | [R]: | whats "expensive"? |
| [03:11:14] | nightwalk: | > $50, for any case that lacks any extra killer features |
| [03:11:35] | [R]: | oh |
| [03:12:11] | Shadow__X: | [R]: how much was that case around 100 bucks? |
| [03:12:35] | [R]: | i got it on sale at frys |
| [03:12:39] | [R]: | like 40 or 50 |
| [03:12:44] | [R]: | but that was like 3 years ago |
| [03:12:49] | Shadow__X: | nice and oh ok |
| [03:13:01] | Shadow__X: | i believe frys is the same as microcenter where i live |
| [03:13:05] | Shadow__X: | if i am not mistaken |
| [03:13:41] | Shadow__X: | their pricing is weird more than half the time the prices on objects are cheaper then their sticker price |
| [03:13:54] | [R]: | maybe similar |
| [03:13:56] | [R]: | but its not the same |
| [03:14:33] | nightwalk: | So, no real "mythtv" cases out there, then? Just homebrewed hacks? |
| [03:14:51] | [R]: | theres some pretty nice ones people talk about on the ml |
| [03:14:57] | [R]: | but they're probably too expensive for you |
| [03:15:01] | [R]: | if 50 is your upper limit |
| [03:15:23] | nightwalk: | 50 is my upper limit for cases that don't do anything special. Not my upper limit, period. |
| [03:15:26] | wagnerrp: | nightwalk: any decent case is going to be > $50 |
| [03:15:33] | wagnerrp: | thats not the limit for 'killer features' |
| [03:15:47] | wagnerrp: | like it or not, you get what you pay for |
| [03:15:54] | Shadow__X: | i fully agree |
| [03:16:12] | nightwalk: | Well, when all I'm asking for is a crafted piece of metal with a power supply, I don't think the bar is set too high :) |
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| [03:17:00] | Shadow__X: | if you dont want it to fall in on yourself or break if you sneeze around it then at times you are |
| [03:17:21] | wagnerrp: | any decent power supply is going to be > $50 on its own |
| [03:18:09] | nightwalk: | I've had no problem with the $30-$40 power supplies. |
| [03:18:25] | Shadow__X: | that you know of |
| [03:18:36] | nightwalk: | More expensive ones go out at the same rate, in my experience. Only difference is, when the more expensive ones go out, you're out more money |
| [03:18:59] | wagnerrp: | cheaper ones are very noisy |
| [03:19:22] | wagnerrp: | if you want to run high end parts, or overclock, or undervolt, or use a lot of hard drives, or do anything demanding |
| [03:19:29] | wagnerrp: | a cheap power supply will choke |
| [03:19:40] | nightwalk: | Well, that's why you have to know a bit about the physics of the fan. Just make sure you get one that uses a big fan, and very little noise :) |
| [03:19:42] | wagnerrp: | i mean noisy voltage, not noise |
| [03:20:02] | wagnerrp: | electronic, not acoustic |
| [03:20:07] | [R]: | but you just get that super duper sata cable... and then noise isn't a problem for your hard drives |
| [03:20:07] | [R]: | :) |
| [03:20:27] | sphery: | 80 PLUS ftw! |
| [03:20:27] | Shadow__X: | i love how stable the rails are on cheap psu's |
| [03:20:36] | nightwalk: | My typical system runs no more than 4 drives, and has no better than a nvidia 9500GT in it. Even a measly 300W power supply can keep up, but I use a 400W generally |
| [03:21:20] | nightwalk: | Now, if we were talking servers here, I'd agree...but we're not |
| [03:21:53] | wagnerrp: | sure we are, were talking machines that are expected to run for years without fail |
| [03:21:57] | Shadow__X: | so what do you think you are paying for when you get a better psu? better paint? stronger metal? |
| [03:22:05] | nightwalk: | better caps |
| [03:22:21] | nightwalk: | The japanese caps rather than the crappy chinese ones, for one thing |
| [03:22:23] | sphery: | don't want to pop a cap in your PSU |
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| [03:23:05] | nightwalk: | Not that I haven't seen (supposedly) high-end PSU makers use the crappy chinese caps, though. Just don't see it quite as often. |
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| [03:26:33] | nightwalk: | Hmm...maybe I could get a case that has front-side usb ports without a cover. That way, I could unfasten the usb port, and attach my usb ir dongle in between. |
| [03:26:53] | nightwalk: | Might look like less of a hack-job... |
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| [03:30:12] | nightwalk: | Finding a case like that seems to be the trick, though. All of the ones I'm seeing that don't bother with the port covers are short HTPC cases. Wouldn't leave enough room for a full size expansion card, and a AMD stock cooler might not fit :/ |
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| [03:35:19] | ahhughes_: | what do you guys think of this... http://www.harveynorman.com.au/product/125697 . . . g-gmn-laptop ? |
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| [03:35:44] | nightwalk: | one word...NO |
| [03:36:01] | ahhughes_: | why's that nightwalk ? |
| [03:36:05] | wagnerrp: | what are we supposed to be thinking about? |
| [03:36:06] | dserban_: | hmm, I guess my question is this. Because contribuited scripts are in the wiki, and since anyone can edit the wiki... There's no real reasoning for security is there? :P |
| [03:36:13] | nightwalk: | You only want an Acer if you enjoy pain |
| [03:36:43] | ahhughes_: | nightwalk, is that just an opinion or some kinda factual reason why acer is bad? |
| [03:36:50] | nightwalk: | Acers break way, way more frequently than other types of laptops. They use the cheapest crap they can find, and it shows |
| [03:37:14] | ahhughes_: | but that means? |
| [03:37:16] | dserban_: | Acer's like K-Mart, they want to go into bankruptcy, but the budget/welfare consumers just won't let them. |
| [03:37:41] | ahhughes_: | poorpers |
| [03:37:41] | nightwalk: | Oh, there was a link that came up in one channel or the other in the past couple weeks. Apparently, they did a poll and acer came up short. Of course, I already knew that. My shop likes to cheap out, and Acer is the cheapest |
| [03:38:04] | ahhughes_: | I like cheap too, this is only for my HTPC box |
| [03:38:24] | dserban_: | ahhughes_, you can get away with a 300 box for your htpc box. |
| [03:38:25] | nightwalk: | Do you also like 'broken'? Because that's what it'll be before long |
| [03:38:56] | nightwalk: | Get a cheap hp if you insist on using a laptop for a htpc |
| [03:39:00] | dserban_: | so no one has any "feedback" on my security quip? Myth doesn't care? |
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| [03:39:29] | dserban_: | err lemme rephrase, the myth project doesn't guarantee security anyways so... why fret over it? |
| [03:39:38] | dserban_: | Good 'nuff? |
| [03:39:42] | nightwalk: | I guess they assume anyone reading the wiki is going to check over any and all code before they run it on their systems |
| [03:39:56] | nightwalk: | In other words, they expect people to not be idiots :P |
| [03:40:25] | wagnerrp: | plus, weve got enough devs checking over wiki changes daily |
| [03:40:29] | dserban_: | :P well I source multiple $VAR's ... if any of them contain 'rm -rf /'... kiss your install goodbye. |
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| [03:40:46] | wagnerrp: | that anyone trying to do something nefarious will be found in short order |
| [03:40:54] | dserban_: | I don't have the energy to sanitize it. |
| [03:40:59] | dserban_: | wagnerrp, good 'nuff for me. |
| [03:41:25] | Beirdo: | la la la |
| [03:41:45] | Beirdo: | almost ready to test... |
| [03:41:51] | dserban_: | da da da (tm), Farfetnugen |
| [03:41:53] | ahhughes_: | so to summarize this advice... "acer has poor build quality and uses cheap parts – but it would run myth (at least for a while) ok" |
| [03:42:04] | dserban_: | ahhughes_, correct |
| [03:42:10] | wagnerrp: | rather expensive to run myth on |
| [03:42:23] | ahhughes_: | I won't use some stupid atom &&*(@#@ tho! |
| [03:42:38] | sphery: | a man after my heart! |
| [03:42:40] | dserban_: | Why not $150 innards plus a $50 case and a $50 graphics card? |
| [03:43:04] | nightwalk: | Just wish I could've underscored 'cheap'. Acers really are THAT bad |
| [03:43:08] | ahhughes_: | $50 case, and earplug's too? |
| [03:43:31] | nightwalk: | At least as far as laptops are concerned. Their monitors don't seem to be too bad. |
| [03:43:39] | ahhughes_: | well $800 AU is kinda my budget. |
| [03:43:46] | dserban_: | Meh, you don't know how to shop |
| [03:43:54] | dserban_: | Oooohh! You're aussie, rough |
| [03:44:03] | dserban_: | That narrows your choices. |
| [03:45:03] | nightwalk: | Aussies don't need HTPCs. You guys have the wallabies to watch ;) |
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| [03:48:13] | sphery: | and, besides, nothing airs on any kind of schedule |
| [03:48:19] | ahhughes_: | nightwalk, and eat |
| [03:49:04] | ahhughes_: | dserban_, yeah we don't get heaps of options here. |
| [03:49:28] | ahhughes_: | these are our best source of advice, http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/rmp_sg_whirlpoolpcs_htpc |
| [03:49:43] | nightwalk: | ahhughes_: Meh....could be worse. You guys could be eating giant insects like the chinese do. Then again, the chinese eat EVERYTHING |
| [03:49:46] | dserban_: | Nothing beats the "crap" quality that eMachines were back in the late 90's. Out of 20 machines we bought, all have died a slow painful death. |
| [03:49:50] | dserban_: | or rather a quick death |
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| [03:53:12] | ahhughes_: | but there is nothing wrong with the 320M is there, if I got stupid and ignored your advice then myth would run on it right? |
| [03:53:47] | nightwalk: | It'd run on it until the hardware died, yes :) |
| [03:55:15] | ahhughes_: | cheers, then I'll use it as a backup plan. |
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| [03:58:02] | nightwalk: | Not sure how much it would run there, but a decent hp here is ~$500 USD. Even comes with a remote and everything. |
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| [04:15:52] | wylie: | question for hdpvr users; anyone have boost_audio=1 noticeably working? |
| [04:16:50] | iamlindoro: | wylie, Are you capturing analog, or SPDIF? |
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| [04:17:25] | iamlindoro: | IIRC, and this is from at elast two years ago, it was only supposed to be with analog audio, and I think that even then it may not have worked |
| [04:18:02] | wylie: | analog at the moment, likely to switch to spdif soon (now that i have a dvi+audio to hdmi converter with spdif |
| [04:18:11] | wylie: | so guess it doesn't matter ;) thx |
| [04:19:00] | spinull1: | im wondering if using firewire from my cablebox will allow me to access all the channels im paying for or just the basic non-encrtyped |
| [04:19:31] | spinull1: | digitally |
| [04:20:32] | wagnerrp: | depends on the civility of your cable provider |
| [04:22:53] | wagnerrp: | i think tonight is a good night to switch to trunk |
| [04:22:58] | Beirdo: | we are at [25991] |
| [04:34:56] | wagnerrp: | heh, my last gentoo trunk build was 24272 |
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| [04:46:13] | wsuetholz: | This has probably already been talked about, but my google searches haven't really helped.. |
| [04:47:42] | wsuetholz: | I run a mixed mythbuntu backend / LinHes(Knoppmyth) frontends. Recently I updated the frontends, and they got 0.23.1. I've enabled the autobuilds PPA for 0.23.1 in mythbuntu, but there doesn't seem to be mythtv-backend packages, just frontend and themes. |
| [04:48:08] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: you have your work cut out for ya again :) |
| [04:48:31] | wsuetholz: | Is there a place that I can get the mythtv-backend mythbuntu 10.04 packages? All I've found so far are packages for 10.10. |
| [04:48:48] | Beirdo: | #mythbuntu, perhaps? |
| [04:48:49] | wsuetholz: | Oh, and amd64, I'm running i386. |
| [04:50:39] | wsuetholz: | Sorry, thought this was the correct place.. I'll go ask there. Thanks |
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| [05:24:18] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
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| [05:26:11] | Beirdo: | I'd like to change this but I don't have an LCD to test the LCDDevice stuff with |
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| [05:40:31] | Beirdo: | anyone here running an LCD device? |
| [05:42:35] | wagnerrp: | yep, several |
| [05:43:27] | wagnerrp: | 12 currently within view, about half of which in arms reach |
| [05:51:04] | Beirdo: | I mean the little ones, not monitors |
| [05:51:08] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [05:51:12] | Beirdo: | just to be more clear |
| [05:51:18] | Beirdo: | lcdproc stuff |
| [05:51:47] | [R]: | i want one |
| [05:51:50] | [R]: | but i have no where to put it |
| [05:52:18] | wagnerrp: | in that case... ive still got two character displays in close proximity |
| [05:52:46] | Beirdo: | hehe, any that you'd recommend should I want to bling out a bit? |
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| [06:15:11] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: how are your LCDs connected, BTW? |
| [06:17:53] | wagnerrp: | one USB through a joystick |
| [06:17:59] | wagnerrp: | the other not, on a cordless phone |
| [06:18:01] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [06:22:02] | Beirdo: | you suck :) |
| [06:22:25] | Beirdo: | I'm thinking of getting one and connecting to the parallel port |
| [06:23:04] | wagnerrp: | parallel port? whats that? |
| [06:23:11] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:23:28] | Beirdo: | http://www.amazon.com/LCD-Module-20-White-Blue/dp/B003B22UR0/ |
| [06:23:36] | Beirdo: | something like that |
| [06:24:23] | wagnerrp: | ive considered it |
| [06:24:27] | wagnerrp: | but theres just so little space |
| [06:24:33] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what i would want to put on it |
| [06:24:48] | wagnerrp: | hard to prioritize |
| [06:24:58] | Beirdo: | graph of disk space used... |
| [06:25:04] | Beirdo: | there's one line |
| [06:25:38] | Beirdo: | I think maybe a block per recorder to show activity? I dunno, I'd find a use |
| [06:26:29] | Beirdo: | other than just for testing |
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| [06:37:18] | Beirdo: | http://www.amazon.com/Antec-Fusion-Remote-Bla . . . /B001BLWVJU/ |
| [06:37:20] | Beirdo: | drool |
| [06:37:52] | [R]: | someone posted that once |
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| [06:38:24] | wagnerrp: | the thing is, im all the way across the room from my system |
| [06:38:36] | wagnerrp: | its too small to read |
| [06:38:45] | [R]: | its too small? thats what she said |
| [06:38:46] | wagnerrp: | and im not going to use the volume |
| [06:38:46] | [R]: | haha |
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| [06:42:03] | Beirdo: | OK, that makes me mad |
| [06:42:19] | Beirdo: | stupid backend quit |
| [06:42:31] | Beirdo: | due to bad MPEG2 video... in commflag |
| [06:42:47] | Beirdo: | why?!?! |
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| [06:43:09] | [R]: | commflag crashing shoudln't take down the backend... |
| [06:43:24] | wagnerrp: | sounds like problems due to recent changes in the jobqueue |
| [06:43:44] | wagnerrp: | wonder who has been tinkering around with that |
| [06:43:46] | Beirdo: | but why would that cause the backend to exit? |
| [06:43:51] | Beirdo: | not me :) |
| [06:43:52] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:44:21] | Beirdo: | I've been tinkering with the part that called it |
| [06:44:22] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:45:10] | Beirdo: | I'm thinking of tinkering with commflag... if you get more than say... 200 errors. just stop |
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| [06:45:45] | [R]: | commflag constantly spits out errors on my hdpvr recordings |
| [06:45:47] | [R]: | never fails htough |
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| [06:46:00] | Beirdo: | [R] you running trunk? |
| [06:46:08] | [R]: | nah |
| [06:46:14] | Beirdo: | there ya go :) |
| [06:46:20] | [R]: | too scared |
| [06:46:28] | Beirdo: | it's quite silent for me on my hdpvr stuff now |
| [06:46:38] | Beirdo: | OTA MPEG2... another story |
| [06:49:16] | Beirdo: | 2010-08–29 23:38:03.522 Dec: DoFastForward(): desiredFrame(11799) > last_frame(1 |
| [06:49:19] | Beirdo: | 1694) |
| [06:49:21] | Beirdo: | 2010-08–29 23:38:03.530 Dec: DoFastForward(): Desired frame is way past the end |
| [06:49:24] | Beirdo: | of the keyframe map! |
| [06:49:25] | Beirdo: | nice job putty |
| [06:49:36] | Beirdo: | that's what I get JUST before it died |
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| [06:51:06] | btwe: | Hi, is there known bug for backend 0.22: When recording consecutive broadcasts on the same transponder => same capturecard |
| [06:51:31] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [06:51:34] | btwe: | the second recording has zero length |
| [06:51:53] | [R]: | you should upgrade and still see if you have issuees |
| [06:51:54] | btwe: | no error msg n log file |
| [06:52:00] | Beirdo: | bug for 0.22... and we are working on getting 0.24 to release.. |
| [06:53:01] | btwe: | i see :) how save is it to upgrade? can i use the same db? |
| [06:53:10] | [R]: | depends on how capable of reading you are |
| [06:54:06] | btwe: | in other words RTFM. any date for 0.24? |
| [06:54:22] | wagnerrp: | month and a half |
| [06:54:38] | wagnerrp: | october to early november |
| [06:55:01] | btwe: | great thanks. i will go to .24 directly |
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| [06:58:33] | Beirdo: | I really don't get it |
| [06:59:01] | Beirdo: | I guess I'll have to record another bad file sometime and get it to gack again while I dump traffic, etc |
| [06:59:38] | Beirdo: | didn't even coredump |
| [06:59:40] | Beirdo: | it exited |
| [06:59:44] | Beirdo: | somehow |
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| [07:02:27] | Beirdo: | and the signalmonitor needs to be tied to the recordings more closely too |
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| [07:03:02] | Beirdo: | i.e. if it thinks it has no signal, stop recording, for god's sakes... enough recording unlocked ATSC channels |
| [07:04:05] | wagnerrp: | yes, there are several long standing tickets for improving failed recordings |
| [07:04:18] | Beirdo: | and one that got closed :) |
| [07:04:19] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:04:20] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [07:04:38] | wagnerrp: | im going to bed... lets hope this thing is done compiling when im done |
| [07:04:56] | Beirdo: | I'm hoping mine's still RUNNING when I get back to it |
| [07:04:57] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:05:02] | wagnerrp: | i havent touched my gentoo boxes since shortly after 0.23 release, so 'world' has a lot to compile |
| [07:05:12] | Beirdo: | emerge turd. |
| [07:05:18] | Beirdo: | oh wait. |
| [07:05:29] | wagnerrp: | plus im a couple release back on my kernel, i should make a new image for that |
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| [07:05:33] | Beirdo: | yeah, there'd be a few things to update for sure |
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| [07:12:11] | Beirdo: | oh this just inspires confidence |
| [07:12:17] | Beirdo: | // TODO dtv signals... |
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| [07:34:22] | Beirdo: | well, now that's cool |
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| [07:34:36] | Beirdo: | hdhomerun_config will do a scan. |
| [07:34:39] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [07:35:09] | Beirdo: | Confirmed... it IS my frigging door to the balcony that destroys UHF signals |
| [07:35:44] | Beirdo: | with it closed.... 5.1, 5.2, 7.1, 7.2 come in |
| [07:36:10] | Beirdo: | and 4.1, 4.2, 16.1, 16.2 are all stronger signal |
| [07:37:03] | Beirdo: | stupid big pseudo-ground-plane |
| [07:38:24] | Beirdo: | note to self... keep door closed if you want reception |
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| [07:42:38] | Nidhoegger: | hi, ive got some issues with the internal player with ogm/mkv files. i want to file a report. which informations does it need to contain about the video and how do i obtain those informations? is there a guide about it? |
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| [08:09:48] | justinh: | Nidhoegger: ffmpeg -i $file will tell you info about a video file |
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| [08:47:04] | justinh: | hmm. still getting static from the fanboys I annoyed yesterday by questioning their 'wisdom' |
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| [09:43:55] | Memphis: | hey, does anyone have an idea on how to get mythvideo to automatically scan a directory for videos – without having to manually scan for changes? I setup mythtv on an ubuntu lucid box, and that's an issue currently. I haven' |
| [09:44:04] | Memphis: | t been able to solve this using google, so I'm asking here |
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| [10:35:29] | justinh: | Memphis: you can't |
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| [11:37:26] | Memphis: | justinh: as I recall, that used to be the functionality on my previous setup. it would automatically detect new files in the directory |
| [11:37:38] | Memphis: | though that was under an ubuntu/mythbuntu jaunty build |
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| [12:30:55] | Nidhoegger: | i think the problem with my mkv files is because of the lavc codec. are there any known issues or optimazations? |
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| [12:59:59] | justinh: | Memphis: thing is, there's still a setting for mythvideo to be just a file browser so you don't have to scan. Dunno if that works with storage groups though |
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| [13:02:44] | justinh: | can't see why anybody would need to automagically add media anyway. It can't be *that* much of an annoyance to scan – unless you're the most prodigious adder of content.. in which case, when are you even getting time to watch what you add? |
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| [13:10:58] | gbee: | pack rats |
| [13:11:25] | gbee: | collecting entire series of shows that they don't really intend to re-watch, they just have to own them |
| [13:11:52] | justinh: | myers. hence the lack of control of the codecs stuff ends up as too, no doubt |
| [13:12:25] | justinh: | heh.. somebody tweeted that they're now successfully 'transcending' their recordings |
| [13:12:34] | justinh: | to mpeg4 :-D |
| [13:12:43] | gbee: | eugh |
| [13:13:21] | gbee: | something apt about calling it 'transcending', they are being sent to heaven |
| [13:13:32] | justinh: | snigger |
| [13:14:05] | justinh: | I read a blog where somebody was moaning about 'huge' HDTV files earlier |
| [13:14:22] | justinh: | for me it comes down to this: do you want quality or not? |
| [13:15:09] | gbee: | they want it all |
| [13:16:11] | justinh: | I'm holding off turning all my ripped .ISOs into lone video files.. looks like .24 will have SG support anyway, thereby saving me a heck of a lot of hassle |
| [13:18:07] | justinh: | disk space has never been cheaper, and the time I have available to do stuff has never been shorter :) |
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| [13:18:22] | dustybin: | justinh: i have ripped all my dvds into .vob files |
| [13:18:42] | dustybin: | what is SG? |
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| [13:21:59] | justinh: | pfft. Dave are having a QI marathon all day today. Showing the same 4 editions from 9am to 9pm :-\ |
| [13:25:22] | sid3windr: | dustybin: stargate |
| [13:25:27] | sid3windr: | dustybin: alternatively, storage groups |
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| [13:41:58] | skd5aner: | justinh: A large majority of mine are ISOs, I still tend to like the traditional menu structure – that's part of the experience |
| [13:42:35] | justinh: | heh. I tend to rip the main title & re-author it to an ISO |
| [13:42:52] | skd5aner: | Just watched a movie the other day which I ripped a long time ago (with mtd none-the-less), where it was just the main title – really confused me at first when I was trying to get to the menu :) |
| [13:43:06] | justinh: | a few of the discs I've got are so badly authored the last thing I ever want to see is an un-navigable menu |
| [13:43:39] | justinh: | "oh, the very slightly different thing is the currently selected item!" |
| [13:44:06] | justinh: | some of my music DVDs are very well authored, so I keep them the way they are |
| [13:44:07] | skd5aner: | justinh: I actually do something similiar, I decrypt/rip, then compress the bonus feature and remove the non-English audio tracks (and any duplicate 5.1 tracks i.e., Dolby OR DTS) to save space |
| [13:44:34] | skd5aner: | but I keep the main title and menus non-compressed |
| [13:44:36] | justinh: | I do away with subtitles & any multi-angle crap too |
| [13:44:41] | skd5aner: | then put it all back in an iso :) |
| [13:45:03] | justinh: | multiangle – most pointless thing ever devised IMHO |
| [13:45:49] | skd5aner: | But maybe you want to watch the whole concert via "drummercam" ;0 |
| [13:46:04] | justinh: | heh |
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| [13:47:47] | sid3windr: | :D |
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| [16:26:18] | skd5aner: | Any recomendations on a cheap mceusb receiver? |
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| [16:29:34] | Beirdo: | I got one on Amazon |
| [16:30:16] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: with remote? Or just the IR receiver? |
| [16:30:35] | skd5aner: | and do you remember which one it was? |
| [16:30:36] | Beirdo: | with remote and one emitter |
| [16:30:39] | Beirdo: | one sec |
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| [16:31:00] | skd5aner: | cool... I've seen some "imitation" MCE ones that after research really aren't truely mceusb receivers... |
| [16:31:18] | Beirdo: | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000W5GK5C/ref=oss_product |
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| [16:31:37] | Beirdo: | it needs a new lirc driver version, but it works fine |
| [16:31:39] | skd5aner: | I simply want the receiver to be compatible with all remotes (not just the one it comes bundled with – http://www.lirc.org/html/table.html) |
| [16:31:49] | Beirdo: | anyways, meeting |
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| [16:32:29] | justinh: | I've seen it said here that if you're looking on ebay, put RC6 in the search string |
| [16:32:44] | justinh: | helps separate the playas from the genuine allegedly |
| [16:34:24] | stuartm: | skd5aner: I got a genuine original MCE remote/receiver off ebay just a couple of weeks ago |
| [16:34:39] | stuartm: | from Singapore, cost £12 or something |
| [16:36:36] | stuartm: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote#Media_Center_Remotes < number 3, proper backlight etc |
| [16:37:15] | wagnerrp: | backlight? |
| [16:37:47] | wagnerrp: | heh... mine doesnt even show up in the list |
| [16:39:21] | iamlindoro: | yay, 26000 is mine |
| [16:42:10] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: the first three shown there were manufactured for and branded as Microsoft by Philips, but I think they've stopped selling them in many markets and there are now far more third party 'mce' compatible remotes/receivers around |
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| [16:43:23] | wagnerrp: | actually, mine has more buttons than any of those listed there |
| [16:43:24] | stuartm: | I happen to really like the original, it's well balanced, just the right number of buttons, comfortable and the backlight is a nice touch |
| [16:44:07] | wagnerrp: | looks like this one... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880121003 |
| [16:45:02] | wagnerrp: | different company, same exact model number |
| [16:45:11] | stuartm: | but I can only get it now by buying from places like Singapore where they are being sold without the MS branding, but are otherwise identical (same factory, different channel) |
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| [16:46:16] | wagnerrp: | im only using it for the receiver, so im not too concerned about the shape of the remote |
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| [16:47:09] | justinh: | somebody was selling MCE compatible internal USB receivers at one point. was quite interested in one myself |
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| [16:47:28] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: looks a bit long, my Sony TV remote is like that and I guess my thumb isn't long enough because I have to constantly shift the remote in my hand to reach the buttons I want |
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| [16:47:52] | Nidhoegger: | hi, ive got a little problem. ive update today to the gentoo stable kernel 2.6.35-r4 and thus had to update to lirc 0.8.7 (0.8.6 doesnt work with that kernel). |
| [16:47:54] | justinh: | but then I figured – how hard is it for somebody like me to gut the casing of a receiver & mount a PCB in a box myself? ;) |
| [16:47:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i cant reach everything without repositioning |
| [16:48:20] | Nidhoegger: | irw says the keys are correct, but instead of the /dev/lircd i got /dev/lirc0 only, but when i set this in the frontend, the remote wont work |
| [16:48:24] | justinh: | stuartm: that's one of the problems I have with my harmony 515 |
| [16:48:28] | stuartm: | justinh: yep, I very nearly did that |
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| [16:48:46] | justinh: | very small hands ;) |
| [16:48:50] | stuartm: | taking out the PCB from the casing and mounting internally I mean |
| [16:48:53] | wagnerrp: | thats a lie, that kernel is not stable |
| [16:48:56] | justinh: | heh I figured |
| [16:49:11] | Nidhoegger: | on x86 it is |
| [16:49:27] | justinh: | somebody might have marked it as stable more like ;) |
| [16:49:28] | wagnerrp: | hmm... so it is |
| [16:49:33] | Nidhoegger: | (2.6.35-r4) 2.6.35-r4!b!s |
| [16:49:49] | wagnerrp: | i dont expect people to still be running 32-bit |
| [16:50:03] | Nidhoegger: | its just my mythtv computer (Pentium 4 is enough :D) |
| [16:50:16] | ** wagnerrp will stop being needlessly troublesome ** | |
| [16:50:22] | Nidhoegger: | the problem is that i dont get mythtv working with lirc anymore |
| [16:50:30] | justinh: | come to think.. I've not moved to 64-bit yet lol |
| [16:50:43] | wagnerrp: | isnt lirc0 supposed to be a specific device |
| [16:50:53] | wagnerrp: | and lircd pull from all those devices, and multiplex it out? |
| [16:50:57] | justinh: | Nidhoegger: you know mythfrontend needs to be restarted to pick up any change in lirc ? |
| [16:50:58] | wagnerrp: | meaning you havent actually run lircd |
| [16:51:14] | Nidhoegger: | i thought so too, but lircd doenst exist anymore...and lircd is definitivley started |
| [16:51:16] | justinh: | surely if lircd wasn't running irw wouldn't work |
| [16:51:19] | Nidhoegger: | and lirc_serial and lirc_dev is loaded |
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| [16:52:03] | Nidhoegger: | * WARNING: lircd has already been started. |
| [16:52:15] | justinh: | Nidhoegger: and you definitely have a ~/.lircrc or ~/.mythtv/lircrc ? |
| [16:52:18] | Nidhoegger: | thats the output when /etc/init.d/lircd start |
| [16:52:19] | Nidhoegger: | yes |
| [16:52:25] | wagnerrp: | 'ps' and make sure it actually is running |
| [16:52:35] | wagnerrp: | that warning just means the init scripts think its running |
| [16:52:42] | wagnerrp: | if it has crashed in the background |
| [16:52:46] | justinh: | and the button defs within it actually agree with what irw outputs and is in lircd.conf? |
| [16:52:47] | wagnerrp: | it will still display that error |
| [16:52:48] | Nidhoegger: | ps says its running |
| [16:53:03] | Nidhoegger: | yes it does justinh |
| [16:53:58] | Nidhoegger: | i think its just that lirc cant listen on /dev/lircd, so i need to figure out why its missing after the update |
| [16:54:04] | Nidhoegger: | *lirc=mythtv |
| [16:54:28] | Nidhoegger: | ill try if xine reacts to the remote |
| [16:55:30] | Nidhoegger: | xine reacts on the remote |
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| [16:59:28] | Nidhoegger: | when i do mythfrontend | grep lirc in xterm, it says: "Failed to connect to Unix Socket: /dev/lirc0" |
| [16:59:54] | Nidhoegger: | i think the socket was /dev/lircd |
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| [17:02:01] | Nidhoegger: | lircd should create the socket /dev/lircd, but for some reason it doesnt |
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| [17:04:12] | Shadow__X: | on mythtv .23–1 are asx streaming from mythweb currently working? I try to open a stream with vlc but it errors out |
| [17:04:12] | Nidhoegger: | kay got it...you need to pass -d /dev/lirc0 -o /dev/lircd since version 0.8.7 to the lircd daemon |
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| [17:05:54] | stuartm: | ffs, my brand new Bluray drive has stopped working |
| [17:06:05] | iamlindoro: | whaaaaa? |
| [17:06:31] | Nidhoegger: | what codec does the internal player use? ffmpeg? |
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| [17:06:55] | iamlindoro: | It uses hundreds of codecs, but yes, they are predominantly provided by libavcodec from ffmpeg |
| [17:06:55] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: it's not recognising any discs |
| [17:07:04] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: :( |
| [17:07:20] | Nidhoegger: | thank you iamlindoro. i first try to update ffmpeg then before filing a bug |
| [17:07:31] | iamlindoro: | Nidhoegger: We don't use external ffmpeg |
| [17:07:37] | iamlindoro: | bug about what? |
| [17:07:46] | Nidhoegger: | mkv and ogm files |
| [17:07:51] | iamlindoro: | what about them? They play fine |
| [17:08:01] | Nidhoegger: | in mkv files (720p) i get pixel artifacts, in ogm i get stuttering playback |
| [17:08:06] | iamlindoro: | those are containers, not codecs, anyway |
| [17:08:20] | Nidhoegger: | when i extract the video and audio stream and mux it to avi (without reconvert) via avidemux, the files work fine |
| [17:08:36] | iamlindoro: | Have you tested playback with ffplay? |
| [17:08:53] | Nidhoegger: | no, didn't know it exists...ill try, mom pls |
| [17:09:06] | Shadow__X: | on mythtv .23–1 are asx streaming from mythweb currently working? I try to open a stream with vlc but it errors out |
| [17:09:17] | Nidhoegger: | i dont have ffplay |
| [17:09:30] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: you werent ignored, we just dont use that feature personally |
| [17:09:36] | Shadow__X: | whoops sorry |
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| [17:13:46] | Nidhoegger: | ill remerge ffmpeg to see if i get ffplay |
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| [17:15:46] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: sorry about that i didnt mean to send that again my connection froze up and when i was trying to get it back i accidently sent it again |
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| [17:19:28] | Beirdo: | congrats to iamlindoro for hitting [26000] :) |
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| [17:20:57] | sphery: | heh, he's a 1 in a thousand developer |
| [17:21:06] | kormoc: | he's a leet haxor now |
| [17:21:14] | kormoc: | oh wait, that's 2600, not 26000 |
| [17:22:00] | wagnerrp: | hes an order of magnitude more l33t |
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| [17:25:32] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, l33t^lO? |
| [17:25:59] | sphery: | (or * 10^lO or something?) |
| [17:26:08] | wagnerrp: | LG is releasing a 31" OLED screen, 0.35" thick |
| [17:26:15] | wagnerrp: | why would you want a screen that thin? |
| [17:26:54] | sphery: | so it sits flush with your paint-on entertainment center, of course? |
| [17:26:58] | Nidhoegger: | maybe to store it behind a cupboard? |
| [17:27:14] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, digital painting |
| [17:27:33] | wagnerrp: | i was going to say, thats hidden behind a painting type stuff |
| [17:28:46] | Nidhoegger: | iamlindoro, ffplay has huge problems with the files |
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| [17:29:07] | iamlindoro: | Nidhoegger: Then the issue is upstream, you should file a bug with them |
| [17:29:35] | Nidhoegger: | okay, thank you! |
| [17:29:41] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [17:31:02] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: Thanks... TBH I queued up two commits to make sure I would hit it ;) |
| [17:37:58] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:38:32] | ** Beirdo busily cleans out his mailbox... seems it hit 287MB, and Exchange is choking on it ** | |
| [17:38:56] | justinh: | exchange chokes on emails with images in em |
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| [17:39:06] | Beirdo: | exchange sucks large |
| [17:39:12] | justinh: | then again so does any program on my work desktop |
| [17:39:27] | justinh: | a duron 800 does not a computer make |
| [17:39:34] | Beirdo: | bah :) |
| [17:39:56] | Beirdo: | s/not a/not a useful/ |
| [17:40:31] | wagnerrp: | hey now, it did 10 years ago |
| [17:40:31] | Beirdo: | preparing to delete... 60s remaining... for the last 5 min |
| [17:40:44] | justinh: | well it could be useful.. for taking up space in a skip frinstance |
| [17:41:25] | Beirdo: | when it came out, you probably woulda sold yer granny to get one |
| [17:41:46] | justinh: | I admit it was faster than my last machine |
| [17:41:52] | justinh: | some 8 years ago |
| [17:42:08] | Beirdo: | now, it needs to be tossed in the Thames |
| [17:42:11] | justinh: | not a bad innings for a machine of its age |
| [17:42:14] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: you still have your ebuilds up on some repository? |
| [17:42:59] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [17:43:14] | kormoc: | http://www.kormoc.com/ebuilds/ |
| [17:43:15] | justinh: | ubuntu could use some of windows' silly concept of time to make newbies feel more at home |
| [17:43:28] | Beirdo: | ?? |
| [17:43:33] | justinh: | 30 secs remaining. 1h30 remaining. 5 secs remaining. 15 secs remaining... |
| [17:43:36] | wagnerrp: | got a link? im tired of rebuilding it endlessly only to have it fail on some installation issue |
| [17:43:37] | wagnerrp: | thanks |
| [17:43:41] | Beirdo: | ah yeah, that |
| [17:43:58] | Beirdo: | more like 30s... 2h... 24h... 5s... 5min |
| [17:44:14] | justinh: | I *really* wanna know wtf windows is really doing when you shut down though |
| [17:44:28] | Beirdo: | emailing core to MS, no doubt |
| [17:44:29] | justinh: | that's now my only real gripe with windows |
| [17:44:41] | stuartm: | sod it, I hate the hassle and inconvenience of RMA'ing hardware |
| [17:44:54] | sphery: | sometimes it's just not worth it |
| [17:44:56] | stuartm: | I have very bad luck with optical drives |
| [17:46:45] | Nidhoegger: | iamlindoro, i discovered the unstable 0.6 of ffmpeg in the repository. with this its working just fine |
| [17:47:10] | iamlindoro: | Nidhoegger: Then your files will work fine in .24, since we have a later ffmpeg version than that |
| [17:47:17] | iamlindoro: | (once .24 is out) |
| [17:47:31] | sphery: | can .24 come out and play? |
| [17:47:44] | Nidhoegger: | hmmmm....only .23 in the repository |
| [17:47:46] | iamlindoro: | Soon, he's doing his chores |
| [17:47:51] | iamlindoro: | Nidhoegger: Because .24 is not released |
| [17:47:57] | sphery: | Nidhoegger: it's not release, yet |
| [17:48:00] | Nidhoegger: | okay then ill wait :D thank you! |
| [17:48:03] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [17:48:11] | sphery: | Nidhoegger: look for it around Oct timeframe |
| [17:48:50] | iamlindoro: | s/Oct/Nov/ |
| [17:49:01] | Nidhoegger: | i can wait ;) until release ill play it with xine... |
| [17:49:05] | iamlindoro: | Just to be safe ;) |
| [17:49:32] | Nidhoegger: | better later release and for that fewer bugs |
| [17:49:33] | sphery: | I didn't say how large this frame was |
| [17:49:41] | iamlindoro: | Nor the year |
| [17:49:47] | sphery: | true! |
| [17:49:58] | iamlindoro: | We could release in January 2011 and be early for next October |
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| [17:51:17] | sphery: | I am so looking forward to the day when myththemes (and themes) can be deleted |
| [17:51:40] | iamlindoro: | Yay! |
| [17:51:45] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [17:52:07] | Beirdo: | how are we going to deal with updating theme contents? |
| [17:52:18] | sphery: | heh, yeah, I just started to think about that |
| [17:52:26] | sphery: | push them back to their theme authors? :) |
| [17:52:47] | Beirdo: | for instance, if they are not in svn/git... how am I as the maintainer of mythweather for instance supposed to tweak a broken theme in weather? |
| [17:52:54] | sphery: | so, maybe we'll still have it, and we'll still have to patch 743 themes when something changes |
| [17:53:07] | Beirdo: | if we push back to the original authors, it may never get changed. ever. |
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| [17:54:10] | sphery: | Darwinian evolution? |
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| [17:54:48] | Beirdo: | and fair notice to all themers: coming soon... enforcement of copyright field in mythweather screens... ALL of em (well, not setup) |
| [17:55:08] | Beirdo: | i.e. if the field ain't there, I will refuse to display the screen |
| [17:55:35] | Beirdo: | all the themes in myththemes and myth/themes currently have the field |
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| [18:05:20] | dustybin: | is there a such thing as a videoplus+ plugin for mythtv? |
| [18:05:34] | wagnerrp: | videoplus? |
| [18:05:47] | wagnerrp: | VCRplus? |
| [18:05:49] | Beirdo: | videoplus-? |
| [18:06:04] | wagnerrp: | you mean those funky numeric codes for programming a VCR? |
| [18:06:11] | dustybin: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_recorder_scheduling_code |
| [18:06:16] | dustybin: | yes |
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| [18:06:25] | wagnerrp: | why would you want such? |
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| [18:06:42] | dustybin: | i could then just type in the number and thats it |
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| [18:06:50] | dustybin: | rather than me searching mythweb etc |
| [18:06:53] | wagnerrp: | or you could just type in a name, and thats it |
| [18:07:02] | dustybin: | aye good point |
| [18:07:24] | wagnerrp: | rather than having to buy a tvguide, or similar publication, to use mythtv |
| [18:07:25] | Beirdo: | dustybin: you find a TOS-compliant way of accessing that stuff, and you'll maybe find someone who'd be willing to make a plugin |
| [18:07:33] | Digdilem: | could be done, but yeah, don't really see the point |
| [18:07:39] | Digdilem is now known as Flash | |
| [18:07:49] | Beirdo: | but since it's NOT licensable... there's not much point (well, if you have enough cash)... |
| [18:08:12] | wagnerrp: | im pretty sure you could pretty trivially work out the code |
| [18:08:16] | sphery: | heh, VCR+ got an updated name |
| [18:08:17] | Flash: | wagnerrp, why would you need tvguide? just use EIT (dvb, anyway) |
| [18:08:22] | sphery: | I thought it died with the VCR |
| [18:08:37] | wagnerrp: | Flash: thats my point, mythtv has its own listing you can tell to record off of |
| [18:08:41] | Beirdo: | it's under the same kind of licensing as TMS data... at best |
| [18:08:52] | wagnerrp: | you dont need the VCR+ codes you get from a publication |
| [18:08:54] | Flash: | the videoplus codes were pretty cool algorithms |
| [18:08:54] | Beirdo: | and there's no point for the VCR codes in Myth |
| [18:08:54] | sphery: | Flash: what he's saying is that VCR+/Video+/... is /only/ in paper-format listings, like TV Guide |
| [18:09:02] | Flash: | ah, i see |
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| [18:14:32] | wagnerrp: | looks like C and Perl versions of the 8-digit decoder are available |
| [18:19:25] | skd5aner: | sorry, was AFK for a while – re: remotes/usb receivers. I've got a completely programmable remote with a touch screen. I'll probably find a lirc file for a remote that has TON of keys and emulate that |
| [18:19:45] | skd5aner: | I just need to ensure that the receiver will receive the codes correctly – I know some third party ones only work with the bundled remote |
| [18:19:57] | tgm4883: | Is there any particular reason that the new mythconverg_restore.pl file isn't backported to 0.23.1? |
| [18:19:58] | skd5aner: | I won't even care about the MCE remote it's paired with |
| [18:20:21] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: mine can understand its remote and also the one that came with the HDPVR. |
| [18:20:30] | Beirdo: | likely others if I give it the codeset |
| [18:20:41] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: as i understand it, it should work with any schema revision |
| [18:21:17] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: cool, yea, I looked at the link – it's a nice remote too :) |
| [18:21:44] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, thats how it looks like in the wiki too, just wondering if there was a reason it wasn't also in fixes |
| [18:21:56] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: when you run it, do you leverage the mceusb lirc config? |
| [18:22:11] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [18:22:30] | Beirdo: | the mceusb part was pretty dead simple once the driver supported it. |
| [18:22:35] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, or if possible, could it be updated in -fixes |
| [18:22:47] | Beirdo: | I use j-rod's kernel tree, so it worked fine :) |
| [18:23:14] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: best to ask sphery about that |
| [18:23:15] | Beirdo: | I think his stuff is going into the main kernel stream soon, but not sure when that is |
| [18:23:21] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: yea, I just googled that model number and "mceusb" – looks like it works out of the box for RX, but TX might be a different story |
| [18:23:23] | skd5aner: | GP-IR02BK |
| [18:23:23] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, well do, thanks |
| [18:23:43] | Beirdo: | tx works with the module I'm using |
| [18:23:45] | tgm4883: | sphery, would it be possible to get the updated mythconverg_restore.pl into -fixes |
| [18:23:51] | Beirdo: | i have 2 emitters hooked to it |
| [18:25:03] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: cool, I likely will not need those, but good to know you've seen some success |
| [18:25:21] | skd5aner: | maybe I'll buy it – I feel a lot more comfortable now knowing someone got it to work |
| [18:25:26] | Beirdo: | the driver on lirc.org wasn't new enough, I think |
| [18:25:36] | Beirdo: | but it does work given the right drivers :) |
| [18:25:37] | skd5aner: | hmmm |
| [18:27:47] | Beirdo: | apparently, should be in current fedora kernels and in lirc cvs |
| [18:28:09] | Beirdo: | and should be in vanilla for 2.6.36 |
| [18:28:11] | sphery: | tgm4883: main reason I didn't put it in -fixes is because the --drop_database and --create_database stuff is a new feature, not a fix, really |
| [18:28:41] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [18:28:56] | Beirdo: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811996004 |
| [18:28:58] | Beirdo: | hmmmm |
| [18:29:01] | Beirdo: | tempting :) |
| [18:29:04] | tgm4883: | sphery, makes sense, same reason i'm asking, cause we don't want to do that downstream |
| [18:29:12] | tgm4883: | sphery, thanks for the info, we'll figure it out |
| [18:29:25] | justinh: | heh how did I know who was asking about videoplus stuff before even looking – other than the fact he's asked before |
| [18:29:29] | sphery: | I might be convinced to break our feature/fix rule (or at least interpret it /very/ liberally), but I'll have to think about it a bit (and see what all changed since 0.23) |
| [18:30:55] | tgm4883: | sphery, reason is i've got a MCC plugin for backup/restore, so without drop/create db functionality, i have to do that another way for a single release until 0.24 |
| [18:31:40] | sphery: | ah, yeah, you guys will be using 0.23.1 (or 0.23-fixes) for 10.10, right? |
| [18:31:50] | tgm4883: | yep |
| [18:31:56] | sphery: | I'll go ahead and put the trunk version into -fixes, then |
| [18:32:05] | tgm4883: | awesome, thanks! |
| [18:32:27] | sphery: | yeah, thanks for the heads up--I had forgotten about the plan for 10.10, and I'd /much/ rather have the newer one in 10.10 |
| [18:32:52] | Beirdo: | Captain_Murdoch: can we get themes moved into a SG? |
| [18:32:59] | justinh: | you know what'd be really awesome if mythtv had? Piano-style keys on the top of the case for using features like record, play, fast forward, rewind etc |
| [18:33:12] | Beirdo: | with local caching from that? or does that even make sense? |
| [18:33:13] | justinh: | and the ability to record on VHS tapes. I still have loads of them |
| [18:33:38] | sphery: | "Fix database creation from the restore script. Using mc.sql is broken because of database permission issues. This moves the trunk version of mythconverg_restore.pl to 0.23-fixes." :) Works for me |
| [18:34:31] | Captain_Murdoch: | Beirdo, I worked on that a while back, having the ability to have a theme only installed on the MBE and served up to FE's via myth:// requests. I have a patch which allows that, but it is/was a little slower than local. it might be better with my recent RemoteFile mod. I'll have to test again sometime. thought in that case was FE tells mbe to download a theme and MBE installs locally in ~/.mythtv/themes/blah and then any |
| [18:34:31] | Captain_Murdoch: | FE can use that theme immediately |
| [18:35:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | Beirdo, I have a built-in 'Themes' SG which pointed at ~/.mythtv/themes (on Linux and CONFROOT/themes elsewhere) |
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| [18:36:17] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:36:23] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: any idea what the difference is between http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880121002 and http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000W5GK5C/ref=oss_product&n bsp;? |
| [18:36:46] | Beirdo: | OK. The issue being that some themes get rather large and may eventually overfill /home on some boxes |
| [18:37:42] | kormoc: | Beirdo, oh come on. if they don't have a hundred megs for /home, it's a crap setup |
| [18:38:05] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: looks about the same |
| [18:38:23] | Beirdo: | kormoc: 100M? I think they are getting bigger than that bit by bit :) |
| [18:38:24] | justinh: | even a 'large' theme doesn't amount to *that* much space yet sheesh |
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| [18:38:44] | sphery: | # du -sk /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/ |
| [18:38:44] | sphery: | 51076 /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/ |
| [18:38:48] | justinh: | maybe if they cache loads of themes at different resolutions.. but even then it should still be a drop in the ocean |
| [18:38:54] | sphery: | that's with all themes in mythtv and myththemes installed |
| [18:39:08] | justinh: | since blootube-wide went west, maybe ;) |
| [18:39:14] | kormoc: | justinh, themecache is hardcoded to 2 now iirc |
| [18:39:15] | Beirdo: | umm |
| [18:39:18] | skd5aner: | hmmm, I do have an HD-PVR, I suppose I could use that for IR RX, but will it take anything besides the bundeled remote? |
| [18:39:19] | sphery: | yeah, after the old ones were removed |
| [18:39:24] | kormoc: | so it's maxed at 2x(max theme size) |
| [18:39:28] | [R]: | skd5aner: no |
| [18:39:30] | Beirdo: | Arclight itself is 37MB |
| [18:39:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | Beirdo, who doesn't have a Gig of storage? that's a lot of themes, even Arclight size themes. :) |
| [18:39:44] | Beirdo: | yeah, I guess |
| [18:39:49] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: Huh? 9.5 M here |
| [18:39:53] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: I'd suggest against that |
| [18:39:58] | iamlindoro: | 9.5M ./Arclight |
| [18:39:58] | ** Captain_Murdoch notices that all comments inbetween were along the same line. ** | |
| [18:40:03] | skd5aner: | [R]: ok, I figured that might be the answer given I used to use the old i2c IR receiver with my PVR-250 in the day |
| [18:40:16] | Beirdo: | I'm looking at ~/.mythtv/themecache/Arclight.1920.1080 |
| [18:40:19] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, it's all his pr0n backgrounds. ;) |
| [18:40:23] | Beirdo: | 37204 Arclight.1920.1080 |
| [18:40:27] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: That's themecache, not the theme |
| [18:40:34] | iamlindoro: | ie, all your fanart, coverart, etc. |
| [18:40:40] | Beirdo: | aaaahhh |
| [18:40:42] | iamlindoro: | And that wouldn't go in what Captain_Murdoch is talking about |
| [18:40:43] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [18:40:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | themecache will always be local, so the theme is a drop in the bucket |
| [18:40:48] | Beirdo: | no it wouldn't |
| [18:40:55] | Beirdo: | never mind then |
| [18:41:05] | justinh: | so anyway, suffer little user who only allocates 2k to /home :) |
| [18:41:06] | Beirdo: | doesn't make sense the way I was thinking :) |
| [18:41:56] | Captain_Murdoch: | that's kinda why I ditched the patch and took it out of my tree. it was noticably slower for no big benefit. with the MBE's QNetworkDiskCache used by the download manager, you can download the same theme on multiple frontends without hitting the web site multiple times since the theme package file will be in the MBE's QNetworkDiskCache (which defaults to 50MB max size) |
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| [18:42:22] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's already kinda covered with the cache anyways |
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| [18:43:29] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: ordered – thanks :) |
| [18:43:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, that actually sped things up. once you viewed it once it was faster the second time, but we still had to go back to the MBE to check to see if the file was modified, so it was better just to leave it local and have each FE have his own copy. |
| [18:43:40] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: get professional installation of the remote from newegg... for #250? |
| [18:43:44] | Beirdo: | $250 rather |
| [18:43:54] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [18:44:12] | Beirdo: | I'll professionally install it in the installer. |
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| [18:44:18] | skd5aner: | now, I can just blame j-rod if it doesn't work right? ;) |
| [18:44:26] | Beirdo: | use the $250 to buy some steel-toed boots |
| [18:44:39] | Beirdo: | heh, it works just fine for me |
| [18:44:42] | trumee: | is 0.24 going to be released anytime soon? |
| [18:45:06] | wagnerrp: | define 'soon' |
| [18:45:18] | trumee: | i am planning to upgrade from 0.22 and was wondering whether to go with 0.23.1 or wait for 0.24 |
| [18:45:18] | skd5aner: | within the hour! |
| [18:45:35] | trumee: | wagnerrp: next 3 weeks |
| [18:45:46] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [18:46:06] | trumee: | wagnerrp: ok, i will go with 0.23.1 then |
| [18:47:21] | trumee: | strange, there is no mythgame video on youtube. is mythgame in development? |
| [18:47:57] | wagnerrp: | it continues to get patches, yes |
| [18:47:58] | trumee: | although, i have never seen an installation of one. i suppose mythgame is a frontend to mame? |
| [18:48:56] | trumee: | if it were possible to play with PS3 sixaxis controller with mythgame it will be awesome, anybody done that? |
| [18:49:35] | justinh: | strange, there don't seem to be any *good* mythtv videos on youtube at all |
| [18:49:47] | [R]: | trumee: mythgame is a launcher for other emulators... it doesn't do antyhing |
| [18:50:00] | Beirdo: | trumee: so youtube is the way to know if something's in development? Strange. |
| [18:50:00] | [R]: | trumee: so the emulators you use are the ones that need to support your hardware |
| [18:50:04] | trumee: | [R]: thanks. going to try it out |
| [18:50:48] | justinh: | way too many things shot on somebody's crappy camera phone, handheld.. too fuzzy to make much out |
| [18:50:59] | justinh: | oh wait, that's youtube in general lol |
| [18:51:05] | [R]: | justinh: forgot shaky |
| [18:51:20] | skd5aner: | Got a new TV over the weekend... for our guest bedroom. Looks like I'll need to build a new frontend for the first time in about 3 years |
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| [18:51:50] | justinh: | [R]: there is that, too |
| [18:52:22] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: fun times :) |
| [18:52:29] | justinh: | then again, I never did get around to making a better promo video did I |
| [18:52:33] | ** Beirdo wonders how the change log is faring :) ** | |
| [18:52:43] | justinh: | I mean I've made a few.. but never bothered uploading them to youtube |
| [18:52:50] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: yea, should be... although I have $0 budget right now for it |
| [18:53:01] | Beirdo: | oh that makes things harder |
| [18:53:14] | justinh: | $0 budget? heh so you won't be going with anything Atom based then :P |
| [18:53:36] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: changelog is up-to-date as of this morning, but I still intend to do some polishing over the next week or two |
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| [18:54:23] | skd5aner: | yea, honestly... I don't know if I'll worry about putting a mfe on that TV for a while or not... I'll save up a bit before I go that route |
| [18:54:30] | wagnerrp: | bluray sale at best buy, $8 |
| [18:54:50] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: cool, well done. |
| [18:54:51] | skd5aner: | also, I need to plan that one – it would be nice if I could do some of my distributed video stuff and keep the box in the wiring closet |
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| [18:55:21] | stuartm: | justinh: I read that as 'porno video', not 'promo video' |
| [18:55:26] | skd5aner: | but I don't think there's a VDPAU capable card that supports Component Video, and that's what I've ran from the closet to the room :( |
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| [18:55:50] | justinh: | stuartm: btw maybe the bad luck with optical drives is more down to the change in packaging style the last few years & the inability of couriers/warehouse folks to treat stuff right ;) |
| [18:56:09] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: i have a VDPAU capable card that does component video |
| [18:56:25] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: 8xxx series? |
| [18:56:32] | justinh: | stuartm: at one point one of the vids did have some rather racey programme titles in it IIRC ;) |
| [18:56:32] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [18:56:37] | skd5aner: | 8600? |
| [18:57:04] | Gibby: | I think today is christmas, just got 5 packages in the mail, hopefully some tuner cards |
| [18:57:05] | wagnerrp: | 4 |
| [18:57:18] | skd5aner: | I want a card that's capable of handling whatever's thown at it, I know in the 8000 series, that was basically the 8600, can the 8400 do 2x advanced? |
| [18:57:44] | [R]: | skd5aner: the wiki lists what can d owhat |
| [18:58:01] | kormoc: | skd5aner, my 9400 can't do 2x advanced |
| [18:58:05] | skd5aner: | [R]: right, which is what I'm basing that off of (from memory) |
| [18:58:23] | skd5aner: | kormoc: I've actually got the GT240 in my frontend now, it works beautifully :) |
| [18:58:34] | skd5aner: | via VGA out |
| [18:58:48] | tgm4883: | Is there a page somewhere with the different versions of db schema that are in different mythtv versions? |
| [18:58:51] | stuartm: | justinh: if it was merely packaging then I'd expect that the increase in RMAs would have pretty quickly caused them to review the packaging/handling :) But yeah, it may have a contributory effect here, the drive was OEM so just a bit of bubble wrap and an oversized box |
| [18:59:17] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: what deinterlacer do you run with the 8400? Does it work well enough for you? |
| [18:59:26] | kormoc: | tgm4883, unlikely |
| [18:59:32] | wagnerrp: | temporal 1x i think |
| [18:59:54] | tgm4883: | kormoc, ok. Does DB schema usually change within a given release (0.23.1)? |
| [18:59:55] | stuartm: | decided to put in an RMA request just to see what they say, should work out cheaper than buying another drive considering the prices have crept back up a little since |
| [19:00:40] | kormoc: | tgm4883, point releases can bump it, yes |
| [19:00:43] | justinh: | stuartm: don't think I've ever bought a hard drive or optical drive mail order |
| [19:00:45] | Beirdo: | tgm4883: it shouldn't. as a policy, if we need a db schema change, we should be doing a point release |
| [19:01:12] | Beirdo: | so 0.23.1 should have a stable db schema, and if we need to change it in the 0.23 stream, we'd put out 0.23.2 |
| [19:01:14] | justinh: | mail order is never that much cheaper than the local sheds round here for a lot of things, by the time you factor in delivery time & costs |
| [19:01:15] | tgm4883: | reason I ask is I have a user that says after an update they are getting 'Error: MythTV database has newer TV schema (1263) than expected (1254)." |
| [19:01:28] | Beirdo: | tgm4883: then they are using trunk |
| [19:01:29] | tgm4883: | thought they might have enabled trunk somewhere but wanted to verify |
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| [19:01:29] | kormoc: | tgm4883, he ran a trunk build osmewhere then |
| [19:01:52] | tgm4883: | kormoc, Beirdo ok, thats what I thought. I'll let him know. DB Backup/restore only option? |
| [19:02:09] | Beirdo: | or complete upgrade to trunk :) |
| [19:02:11] | stuartm: | justinh: really not much choice here |
| [19:02:17] | kormoc: | tgm4883, aye, and we (attempted to) backed up at the time we bumped him up, so that should be sitting for him |
| [19:02:25] | tgm4883: | Beirdo, heh, i'll let him know. Thanks |
| [19:02:32] | tgm4883: | kormoc, awesome news. Thanks |
| [19:02:43] | stuartm: | it's PC World, Staples or Best Buy (have you seen their UK website, it's awful) |
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| [19:03:28] | Beirdo: | silly users who update without wanting to :) |
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| [19:03:51] | stuartm: | and fwiw I very much doubt any of those will stock what I want at the price I'm willing to pay, there are a couple of independents but you can bet that their stock situation is far worse |
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| [19:06:55] | stuartm: | justinh: you definitely have it good where you live, with so many of the major online retailers on your doorstep |
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| [19:09:30] | justinh: | about the only thing living round here is good for |
| [19:10:05] | justinh: | that & curries.. and maybe some of the nightlife |
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| [19:10:26] | justinh: | you prolly have many less murders within a 5 mile radius ;-) |
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| [19:10:30] | Gibby: | http://www.superiorelectronicsonline.com/ebay . . . ner/100_3434 what kind of bracket is that? |
| [19:11:01] | [R]: | Gibby: is that the only angle? |
| [19:11:11] | justinh: | looks like something out of a 'media center' PC |
| [19:11:26] | justinh: | i.e. something that comes with windows 7 installed & claims to do everything |
| [19:11:27] | Gibby: | http://www.superiorelectronicsonline.com/ebay . . . ner/100_3432 |
| [19:11:53] | justinh: | weird |
| [19:12:05] | [R]: | it looks liek its just missing the top peice on that one angle |
| [19:12:07] | Gibby: | I know it is a PCI, just opened it, looks kind of funky, |
| [19:12:10] | [R]: | but it looks like its there in the other |
| [19:12:36] | justinh: | nah looks to me like it's there in both |
| [19:12:44] | justinh: | in need of some Dremel love |
| [19:13:10] | Gibby: | 2 screws held it on, just took it off, going to try to fit it in my server, however my server may need some dremel love |
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| [19:13:23] | wagnerrp: | Gibby: yeah, its just designed for a custom case, hack it up as needed |
| [19:13:27] | justinh: | Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz-crunch-click-re place-disc-Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. .. job done |
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| [19:13:50] | wagnerrp: | i need a new dremel... or replace my old one |
| [19:13:55] | wagnerrp: | it just crapped out |
| [19:14:03] | justinh: | blimey |
| [19:14:11] | Gibby: | I got for $45 so I figured I could hack away if needed |
| [19:14:14] | justinh: | we fair abuse ours at work & it's lasted years |
| [19:14:46] | justinh: | bought a cheap clone at Aldi a while ago for home use & it's actually better than the dremel |
| [19:15:19] | justinh: | fair on the work dremel though – it could prolly do with some new bearings |
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| [19:16:06] | wagnerrp: | im wondering it theres some replaceable fuse inside or something |
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| [19:20:39] | justinh: | maybe has a thermal cutout fuse. they're generally reversible but tend not to close again when they cool down |
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| [19:21:43] | wagnerrp: | i was not using it for extended periods |
| [19:21:51] | wagnerrp: | it shouldnt have overheated |
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| [19:30:05] | justinh: | yeh the heat ours gets up to I figure you'd not have been able to hold it ;) |
| [19:30:13] | justinh: | unless wearing gloves :D |
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| [20:01:36] | i_is_cat: | wooo i got the wii workin with myth |
| [20:01:43] | i_is_cat: | :D |
| [20:02:29] | tank-man: | how so? |
| [20:03:03] | tank-man: | a full frontend? |
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| [20:04:31] | stuartm: | probably just upnp |
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| [20:05:14] | iamlindoro: | I know that commonly people play Flash video in the wii bro wser, too |
| [20:05:44] | iamlindoro: | Given the Wii's major hardware inadequacies, can't say it interests me as a frontend, it couldn't play a single thing I record |
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| [20:09:51] | wagnerrp: | but its 730MHz of broadway performance |
| [20:10:12] | wagnerrp: | wii, it really whips the gekko's ass |
| [20:10:57] | iamlindoro: | Now with real rotoscope action |
| [20:11:05] | i_is_cat: | no... the wii recording through a composite input not working as a frontend, that would be silly |
| [20:11:15] | i_is_cat: | then i most likely wouldnt be able to play games :( |
| [20:11:48] | iamlindoro: | Wii doesn't have any inputs |
| [20:11:54] | iamlindoro: | and if it were recording, that wouldn't be a frontend |
| [20:12:15] | iamlindoro: | They're asking if you're running a frontend on it, not a backend-- basically, they are asking you to explain yourself |
| [20:13:02] | i_is_cat: | ok, mis-worded, the wii is being recorded by mythtv from a pvr150's composite input on a slave backend |
| [20:13:10] | sid3windr: | that's how I read it too :) |
| [20:13:25] | sid3windr: | but you can't play games on myth live tv |
| [20:13:31] | sid3windr: | it's a few seconds behind... :) |
| [20:13:56] | i_is_cat: | it sure is.. thats why i have it split between the tv and the pvr150 |
| [20:17:27] | justinh: | bet the picture sucks |
| [20:17:37] | justinh: | you can't split video signals with a Y-cable |
| [20:17:42] | i_is_cat: | actually its quite decent |
| [20:17:51] | justinh: | or rather, you can but it'll end up double terminated & suck |
| [20:18:11] | i_is_cat: | it is noticeably degraded, but not to the point where it causes any issues for me whatsoever |
| [20:18:39] | justinh: | meh. your funeral |
| [20:18:55] | i_is_cat: | lol funeral? |
| [20:19:04] | justinh: | I mean it's your loss |
| [20:19:34] | justinh: | double terminating is generally a great way to really mess up video |
| [20:19:34] | i_is_cat: | the loss really only appears when mythtv is actually recording it.. if myth isnt using that input, the quality is normal |
| [20:20:06] | justinh: | bah, the input would be terminated no matter what I'd have thought |
| [20:20:18] | justinh: | anywaz if you happy.. so be it |
| [20:20:20] | i_is_cat: | i dont know much about that sort of thing, i just know what i see.. |
| [20:20:45] | justinh: | still though.. recording a console output.. whatever fer? |
| [20:20:58] | i_is_cat: | my friend and i compete with each other at mario kart |
| [20:21:16] | i_is_cat: | its nice to be able to watch some of the messed up things we do or have done to us etc. |
| [20:21:29] | justinh: | mmkay |
| [20:21:36] | i_is_cat: | ya its pretty much pointless.. but its fun for us |
| [20:21:38] | i_is_cat: | :) |
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| [20:32:46] | phil___: | hiho |
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| [20:48:26] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: you stole my ticket? :) Well if danielk wants it, all his :) |
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| [20:48:56] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: I figured the assignment was an eror, and danielk has "owned" MythCenter for a while |
| [20:49:40] | iamlindoro: | It stuck out as the only MythCenter ticket not assigned to him, and it felt like that had to be a mistake |
| [20:50:17] | Beirdo: | Well, I was gonna do it, but it's his anyways, so he's welcome to it :) |
| [20:51:11] | iamlindoro: | Don't have srong feelings one way or another-- MythCenter should be deleted |
| [20:51:14] | iamlindoro: | er strong |
| [20:51:19] | Beirdo: | why? |
| [20:51:23] | Beirdo: | it's a valid theme |
| [20:51:37] | Beirdo: | maybe someone out there likes it ;) |
| [20:51:40] | iamlindoro: | No, it's not-- it's a wreck that is not even half-ported to MythUI and |
| [20:51:47] | iamlindoro: | mostly falls abck to default |
| [20:51:54] | iamlindoro: | at the very least it has no business in core |
| [20:52:13] | Beirdo: | well, yeah, much of it is default, that's true. P) |
| [20:52:15] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:52:35] | Beirdo: | parts of metallurgy (esp. setup) may still need work too |
| [20:52:53] | iamlindoro: | metallurgy is even less ported than MythCenter |
| [20:52:59] | Beirdo: | the mythweather setup has been fixed, but I'm sure a few others need tweaking too |
| [20:53:10] | Beirdo: | well, the weather part is ported :0 |
| [20:53:11] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:53:29] | Beirdo: | and really, it's not all that hard to do |
| [20:53:35] | Beirdo: | just time consuming |
| [20:54:12] | iamlindoro: | Time better spent on real MythUI themes, not ports of things that give MythUI a bad name |
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| [20:54:34] | iamlindoro: | The lack of enough MythUI themes leaves people with the impression that the MythUI port was a whole lot of nothing much |
| [20:54:45] | iamlindoro: | And porting non-MythUI themes forward just perpetuates that belief |
| [20:54:56] | Beirdo: | the first part, I can believe |
| [20:55:06] | Beirdo: | second part... might be stretching it a bit |
| [20:55:17] | Beirdo: | but we need people to make themes :) |
| [20:55:24] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: I'm sorry, but you weren't exactly around in the direct aftermath of the MythUI port, and dealing daily with all the underwhelmed abuse |
| [20:55:40] | Beirdo: | the problem is, not many of us are graphically inclined. |
| [20:55:40] | iamlindoro: | And there was plenty of it |
| [20:55:57] | Beirdo: | yeah, well, that was what, over a year ago? |
| [20:56:09] | iamlindoro: | So? |
| [20:56:10] | Beirdo: | at some point, we should move forward :) |
| [20:56:13] | iamlindoro: | Exactly |
| [20:56:16] | iamlindoro: | we *should* move forward |
| [20:56:18] | iamlindoro: | not back |
| [20:56:47] | Beirdo: | and if someone wants to retrofit the old themes to work properly now, we don't lose much in the process, although granted, the themes can be a lot nicer now |
| [20:57:01] | kormoc: | the point is no one wants to retrofit the old themes |
| [20:57:02] | Beirdo: | some people actually may WANT stripped-down themes though |
| [20:57:12] | Beirdo: | yeah. |
| [20:57:21] | kormoc: | which is why they should just get deleted |
| [20:57:24] | Beirdo: | we don't know what the users really want |
| [20:57:27] | Beirdo: | or what they use |
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| [20:57:42] | iamlindoro: | So we should keep a bunch of legacy garbage around just in case? |
| [20:57:52] | Beirdo: | now that we are getting a theme chooser, put the old cruft in there too |
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| [20:57:58] | phil___: | a a52 plugin which dos not work with myth! |
| [20:57:59] | Beirdo: | and if people want it, it's there |
| [20:58:04] | iamlindoro: | There is nothing stopping them using the stuff, forward-porting it, whatever-- but there is *no* reason we should have to maintain it all |
| [20:58:12] | Beirdo: | and we can track how many people are using it |
| [20:58:14] | kormoc: | ... |
| [20:58:28] | Beirdo: | if nobody's using it, deletion is not an issue |
| [20:58:35] | kormoc: | this is the part of OSS when there's no-one who wants to work on it |
| [20:58:42] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:58:47] | kormoc: | so you have to force someone else to do it or let it die |
| [20:59:11] | Beirdo: | kormoc: yeah, but if we find that a significant number of people want... say metallurgy... one of us may step up to revitalize it |
| [20:59:33] | iamlindoro: | None of us *cares* what people want |
| [20:59:36] | Beirdo: | we can't be bothered now because we personally like the pretty new themes iamlindoro has made |
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| [20:59:50] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: not true |
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| [21:00:19] | Beirdo: | there are people who care what the users want... we may be a minority though :) |
| [21:00:29] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: With due respect, I have spent *thousands* of hours on themes. Nobody who is not putting in that kind of time gets a vote |
| [21:00:32] | kormoc: | Beirdo, but you're not one of the guys stepping up to maintain them, the guys who are feel the themes should go |
| [21:00:43] | kormoc: | the folks doing the work get to decide how it goes IMHO |
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| [21:00:57] | Beirdo: | kormoc: I *have* stepped in to start maintaining them |
| [21:01:04] | Beirdo: | or have you not noticed? |
| [21:01:08] | iamlindoro: | It's more than vaguely insulting to me to be told that we have to go on supporting legacy garbage when I'm the only one putting in the time |
| [21:01:13] | Beirdo: | I fixed every dang theme for weather |
| [21:01:18] | Beirdo: | EVERY one |
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| [21:01:33] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: Again, with due respect, MythWeather fixes does not a complete theme rewrite/update/support make |
| [21:01:35] | kormoc: | that's just a small section |
| [21:01:37] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
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| [21:01:47] | Beirdo: | it is a small section, yes |
| [21:01:50] | iamlindoro: | I'm glad that you've done what you've done, but that was only to make them conform with *your* software changes |
| [21:02:00] | iamlindoro: | You haven't designed a theme, or written one, or ported one |
| [21:02:15] | iamlindoro: | You haven't even begun to put in the hours required to maintain a single theme, let alone a half dozen legacy ones |
| [21:02:30] | iamlindoro: | Now, if you want to write a theme, fantastic |
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| [21:02:44] | kormoc: | Beirdo, if you wanted to take ownership of the old themes, I don't think anyone would prevent you or delete them |
| [21:02:49] | iamlindoro: | But telling me I'm overruled on themes is frustrating to say the least |
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| [21:03:01] | Beirdo: | kormoc: I may well do so... IF the users are wanting them |
| [21:03:03] | kormoc: | but until you or someone else wants to do it, they're on a death clock |
| [21:03:10] | Beirdo: | but we have other things to work on |
| [21:03:30] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: who's saying you're overruled? |
| [21:03:40] | sphery: | I agree that porting the old designed-for-the-legacy-UI-engine themes is a waste. |
| [21:03:58] | sphery: | If users want a "lightweight" theme, they should do something like Lite |
| [21:04:03] | Beirdo: | jeez. |
| [21:04:07] | sphery: | i.e. /design/ a theme for MythUI that's lightweight |
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| [21:04:46] | skd5aner: | how many "good" mythui themes are there? |
| [21:04:47] | skd5aner: | 3? |
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| [21:05:07] | skd5aner: | maybe 4? |
| [21:05:09] | wagnerrp: | half a dozen complete ones |
| [21:05:14] | iamlindoro: | There are probably three complete ones (MythBuntu, Arclight, Childish) and a smattering of half complete ones |
| [21:05:18] | wagnerrp: | another several that only have a single page or so |
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| [21:05:24] | Beirdo: | Arclight, Graphite, Childish, Mythbuntu... |
| [21:05:36] | sphery: | skd5aner: and my opinion is that the reason there aren't more is because too many people are clinging to the old legacy garbage because it's the path of least resistance |
| [21:05:40] | skd5aner: | yea, those were the three I was thinking of, actually – terra, arclight, graphite and then the 4'th I added was childish |
| [21:05:48] | iamlindoro: | Graphite missing a couple screens, Terra missing a fair number |
| [21:05:48] | sphery: | i.e. no one is making new themes becaues they can just use MythGarbage |
| [21:05:52] | Beirdo: | ahh, forgot Terra |
| [21:05:54] | skd5aner: | childish is such a specialty theme, I wouldn't really count it towards general population usage |
| [21:05:58] | iamlindoro: | Terra is far from complete |
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| [21:06:07] | iamlindoro: | (which is not a dig against terr, just a statement of fact) |
| [21:06:10] | iamlindoro: | er Terra |
| [21:06:11] | wagnerrp: | werent all four of the contest themes complete? |
| [21:06:14] | Beirdo: | and a true one at that |
| [21:06:21] | iamlindoro: | They were complete *according to the definition of the contest* |
| [21:06:24] | jams: | terra is the most used mythui theme amongst linhes users |
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| [21:06:41] | iamlindoro: | jams: It's not hurting it that it's the default ;) |
| [21:06:46] | Beirdo: | terra is default. thus either default should get changed, or someone should complete it :) |
| [21:06:57] | jams: | no linhes is the default |
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| [21:07:02] | Beirdo: | if you wanna abandon incomplete ones, especially |
| [21:07:05] | jams: | it's people that have switched |
| [21:07:14] | sphery: | why we shouldn't be following the path of least resistance: http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2010/08/25/ |
| [21:07:24] | skd5aner: | I just throw that out there because, while I think the few "complete" themes are out there, people still would like more choice – I tend to think that people have used some of these themes for years and are very comfortable with them... |
| [21:07:42] | skd5aner: | granted, they're just "default" screens that have been "skinned" and shouldn't remain that way |
| [21:08:10] | jams: | for whatever reason people stick with the linhes theme, but it's not my cup of tea thats for sure |
| [21:08:16] | iamlindoro: | jams: There's a linhes theme? Is it derived from something or a full MythUI theme? |
| [21:08:22] | skd5aner: | but I've seen several of the devs argue over the past 6 months if mythcenter should be nuked or maintained with several on either side of that argument |
| [21:08:24] | iamlindoro: | If so, pics? |
| [21:08:58] | jams: | iamlindoro- it's mostly the default stuff with a smattering of changes. to be honest I don't have pics as I don't use it or maintain it |
| [21:09:00] | kormoc: | skd5aner, and in the entire time, no a single person has offered to actually do the work |
| [21:09:04] | sphery: | skd5aner: again, path of least resistance |
| [21:09:10] | sphery: | kormoc: exactly! |
| [21:10:24] | sphery: | OK, and here's a point... There were a /bunch/ of old-UI-engine themes that were significantly better than MythCenter, et. al., and they got deleted. |
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| [21:10:44] | iamlindoro: | (Glass, Bluetube, etc) |
| [21:10:52] | sphery: | justinh's themes were probably used by /far/ more people than MythCenter /ever/ was, but we deleted it so that people could make new themes that use the new engine |
| [21:11:08] | skd5aner: | never saw glass, heard of it though, was it actually distributed in /themes or myththemes? |
| [21:11:10] | sphery: | and now we're choosing one of the worst ones to keep maintaining rather than actually using some of those |
| [21:11:18] | sphery: | glass wasn't |
| [21:11:41] | skd5aner: | sphery: well, sorta... justinh wanted them pulled for reasons beyond that too |
| [21:12:42] | sphery: | ProjectGrayhem, blootube, neon-wide were all in themes, but glass never was (and, IIRC, was license incompatible) |
| [21:12:49] | sphery: | skd5aner: I know why I deleted them |
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| [21:13:21] | skd5aner: | hey, my opinions may not really care much weight since I too am not stepping up to the plate to convert and/or maintain them... but I would think that eliminating them would leave a very small group of usable themes remaining – themes people could chose today if they wanted to |
| [21:13:25] | sphery: | oh, and blootubelite-wide, too (and there was a wide of blootube and PG) |
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| [21:14:04] | sphery: | but the idea was to get rid of all the old stuff so that new stuff could take its place |
| [21:14:19] | zzztrumee is now known as trumee | |
| [21:14:20] | sphery: | but instead, some have decided to re-invent the old and take 2 steps backwards |
| [21:14:21] | skd5aner: | do you think deleting old themes is going to spark a rush of new ones to replace them? |
| [21:14:23] | skd5aner: | I mean, I would hope so |
| [21:14:26] | skd5aner: | but I doubt it |
| [21:14:37] | sphery: | (one step being recreating the old, the other step being using default instead of actually redoing the rest of the them) |
| [21:14:40] | sphery: | and they call that a port |
| [21:14:45] | sphery: | and it's /not/ |
| [21:14:49] | skd5aner: | i think iamlindoro's contest idea was a great example of something that should have worked, but didn't really bring in a ton of great work |
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| [21:15:31] | sphery: | skd5aner: I think continuing to maintain the old garbage will significantly decrease the chances of people making new themes |
| [21:15:33] | Beirdo: | if we want new themes, there's only one real sure-fire way to get them |
| [21:15:37] | Beirdo: | hire someone to do it |
| [21:15:55] | sphery: | after all, if we put our worst foot forward, no one can see any reason to make a new theme--after all the MythTV UI sucks compared to XBMC |
| [21:15:56] | Beirdo: | the people who CAN do it are busy with other things |
| [21:16:07] | iamlindoro: | On the contrary, I think the contest was well worth it-- it cost us literally nothing (besides the value of my time finding all the prizes, managing the contest, and handling ir, and kormoc's time in setting up voting), and we got three themes-- sure, would have been nice to have more, but three themes ain't bad-- and all three are at least better than MythCenter |
| [21:16:14] | sphery: | oh, wait, really now it's just that MythTV themes that suck--with a couple of designed-for-MythUI exceptions |
| [21:16:18] | iamlindoro: | s/ir/it/ |
| [21:16:45] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I think it was worth it, it just would have been nice to see more participation |
| [21:17:06] | Beirdo: | and if we do another theme competition, we may get more participation again |
| [21:17:10] | iamlindoro: | Schedules Direct can fund a grant and pay me to write new, attractive default and default-wide :P |
| [21:17:14] | Beirdo: | or maybe not |
| [21:17:37] | skd5aner: | I guess I was just saying, to your point, the incentitive to do it was there, just not sure people cared enough (besides the 2–3 who actually submitted something) |
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| [21:18:11] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: I think that's an enormously negative way of looking at it-- it's only a disappointment if you had the preconceived notion that we were going to have dozens of entries to choose from |
| [21:18:32] | iamlindoro: | The community in general did no work and got three themes out of it-- from the perspective of the user, there's not much to complain about |
| [21:19:02] | skd5aner: | I mean, I didn't assume I was alone in those thoughts, I've heard others (and I thought you) who had similiar sentiments... not that it was a failure, but that expectations were higher |
| [21:19:04] | skd5aner: | maybe not |
| [21:19:13] | iamlindoro: | Add to that the three or four fringe themes that have popped up since then from people claiming they couldn't finish a contest theme in time, and it's difficult to consider it a failure |
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| [21:19:53] | iamlindoro: | And I'll go on record saying *every* single theme written since MythUI wipes the floor with MythCenter |
| [21:19:57] | skd5aner: | sorry to put the negative slant on it – I think Childish was cool for what it is |
| [21:20:18] | skd5aner: | P.S. I've never used mythcenter, so I'm not standing up for it ;) |
| [21:20:20] | iamlindoro: | and LCARS is great for a certain Niche, and TransBlue is simple and there's nothing wrong with it |
| [21:20:39] | sphery: | yeah, the theme contest was great |
| [21:20:48] | keith4: | every once in awhile, my firewire-connected box seems to drop off the firewire bus, and no amount of `firewire_test`ing, module reloading, or box rebooting will fix it. i have to toggle the power on the cable box. anyone have an idea for how to detect this before the "why are these recordings not found?" stage? |
| [21:20:50] | iamlindoro: | and then there's Willi and blue-abstract and the one from the ubuntu forest and the new Forest one... plenty of themes |
| [21:20:56] | sphery: | and we actually have some nice themes because of it |
| [21:20:58] | iamlindoro: | all better than MythCenter, which is the millstone around our necks |
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| [21:21:10] | sphery: | and they'll become /much/ easier to access/find thanks to Capt M's changes |
| [21:21:52] | skd5aner: | ok ok... I take it back, like I said – I've heard others express a slight dissapointment with turnout, but I guess I'm the only one left who thinks that way... I'm just a fan of competition, and would have liked to have seen more than "3" competitors when it was a "top 3" contents – that's all |
| [21:21:53] | sphery: | keith4: Have you tried installing seatbelts on the bus? Or maybe child-proof door locks? (Sorry, don't know anything about firewire, so I'll shut up, now.) |
| [21:22:14] | keith4: | sphery: hehe. everyone knows that buses don't have seatbelts! |
| [21:22:21] | sphery: | heh, true |
| [21:22:21] | tidd1: | unrelated to myth specifically, but thought there might be some real world help here. mysql innodb rollback from 5.1 to 5.0, has anybody done it here? If so, any gotchas? |
| [21:22:46] | wagnerrp: | maybe #mysql ? |
| [21:23:05] | tidd1: | yeah, I cannot seem to write in channel there |
| [21:23:21] | wagnerrp: | they probably only allow registered users |
| [21:23:32] | wagnerrp: | or it may be muted for people with voice only |
| [21:24:05] | tidd1: | yeah, thanks anyhow |
| [21:24:51] | wagnerrp: | message 'nickserv' for instructions on how to register |
| [21:26:40] | skd5aner: | s/contents/contest |
| [21:26:41] | keith4: | yah, #mysql is register-to-talk |
| [21:27:29] | tidd1: | thanks |
| [21:28:03] | dustybin: | i wonder if the mythtv source code contains swear words like the linux kernel? |
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| [21:29:39] | keith4: | dustybin: yes |
| [21:30:55] | keith4: | just the libs, really |
| [21:31:03] | dustybin: | ace :D |
| [21:31:21] | keith4: | ... some of them referring to Windows |
| [21:31:33] | skd5aner: | yea, you ask some people and they'll tell you that "mythcenter" is a curse word |
| [21:31:36] | skd5aner: | :P |
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| [21:31:59] | justinh: | it is! |
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| [21:32:18] | keith4: | hahaha.... "I return the LIBAVFORMAT_VERSION_INT constant. You got a f***ing problem with that, douchebag?" |
| [21:32:27] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: you know the rules, watch the language |
| [21:32:27] | keith4: | quality |
| [21:32:57] | wagnerrp: | keith4: that our stuff? or something from ffmpeg? |
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| [21:33:07] | keith4: | libs/libavformat/avformat.h |
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| [21:33:17] | wagnerrp: | sounds like ffmpeg |
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| [21:45:24] | justinh: | if there's another theming comp I might take a pop if I can be made eligible |
| [21:46:28] | justinh: | I kinda went in a wee strop cos I was ruled out on account of having commit privs (which I hadn't used for ages anyway) last time tbh |
| [21:47:00] | justinh: | in a not quite very mature "well I wouldn't have entered anyway" style. not very productive |
| [21:48:14] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [21:48:24] | Beirdo: | I think we should look into another competition |
| [21:48:49] | Beirdo: | and this time I'll be in a position to actually be able to try them out and vote too |
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| [21:50:08] | sphery: | and include OSD themes in the requirement |
| [21:50:11] | justinh: | I think I can easy churn out something better than all the post comp themes I've laid eyes on. My primary motivation for theming was always that there was nothing that even came close to what I liked – but since mythui that has lessened a hell of a lot |
| [21:50:42] | justinh: | I'd be using Arclight now if my wife liked it too |
| [21:51:22] | justinh: | but editing that to make all the text a size she likes... oof. no thankyou |
| [21:51:37] | sphery: | well, good themes, great wife, wife who likes good themes... 2 out of 3 ain't bad |
| [21:51:46] | justinh: | heh |
| [21:52:03] | justinh: | add her taste in music to the list & it's 2 out of 4 lol |
| [21:52:17] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:52:27] | Beirdo: | add her taste in men, yer at 3 of 5 |
| [21:52:29] | Beirdo: | so... |
| [21:52:47] | justinh: | nah, I'm only smarting at having just dealt with 2 hours worth of trapped baby wind |
| [21:52:55] | justinh: | Beirdo: ! ;-) |
| [21:56:29] | justinh: | ahh those damn mythvideo popups.. still not fixed them in my magnum opus yet |
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| [22:01:41] | sphery: | fixed how? |
| [22:02:24] | justinh: | fixed as in make them not broken :-) |
| [22:03:50] | sphery: | in your theme or broken in mythvideo? |
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| [22:04:23] | Beirdo: | or as in taken to the vet and de-nutted? |
| [22:04:25] | justinh: | in my theme :) |
| [22:04:28] | sphery: | oh |
| [22:04:34] | sphery: | sorry, I got lost |
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| [22:10:03] | sphery: | heh, XBox Live is increasing the price of subscriptions by $10/yr |
| [22:10:16] | wagnerrp: | it was $50/yr before? |
| [22:10:51] | sphery: | it was $49.99 retail for a 12mo card |
| [22:11:58] | sphery: | but the 12mo used to be 12+1 (so you got 13mos), and you could still find cards for as low as $39.99, meaning $3.08/mo, then they dropped the 12+1 and they're now 12mo only, making it $3.33/mo |
| [22:12:44] | stuartm: | cheap |
| [22:12:53] | sphery: | and now with the $10 increase, it's $4.99/mo retail... if we assume we'll be able to get subs for $49.99 on the street, that's $4.16/mo |
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| [22:15:29] | sphery: | oh, adn after they dropped the 12+1, the street price did tend to drop wehn on sale, so you could get them as low as $29.99/12mo = $2.50/mo |
| [22:16:36] | sphery: | seems they're $32.22 on buy.com right now... but since I don't think my console will last 'til the end of my current sub... |
| [22:17:01] | sphery: | oh, but that's $32.22 + $10S&H... so the $39.99 w/free shipping ones are better |
| [22:21:35] | wagnerrp: | wow... thats too much math just to play online games |
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| [22:26:35] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:27:53] | Beirdo: | they depend on that |
| [22:27:59] | sphery: | Well, we with XBoxes have to do all sorts of math to play online. You should see my equations for determining value of gaming sessions when factoring in the eventual final RRoD for my now-out-of-warranty XBox. |
| [22:28:42] | [R]: | lol |
| [22:30:03] | sphery: | typical conversation, "Mike, want to play some Burnout today?" "I'll get back to you in about 3 hours. I have to run the numbers to see if it's worth the runtime." |
| [22:30:13] | [R]: | lol |
| [22:30:24] | sphery: | used to be "Want to play some Chromehounds?" but Sega shut down the servers... |
| [22:30:29] | sphery: | which is /so/ wrong |
| [22:30:33] | justinh: | and if you run out of time, just threaten to shoot your mom if she doesn't pay for your renewal. simples |
| [22:30:42] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:31:45] | sphery: | At least when the Tribes 2 servers got shut down, people were able to put up their own servers and patch the game to use them... Not really an option on an XBox 360. |
| [22:32:00] | sphery: | Tribes Next ftw! |
| [22:32:13] | wagnerrp: | heh, i still have a copy of tribes 1 floating around somewhere |
| [22:32:17] | wagnerrp: | didnt that go freeware? |
| [22:32:27] | sphery: | http://tribesnext.com/ |
| [22:32:34] | sphery: | so, yeah |
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| [22:33:14] | wagnerrp: | tribes 2 went freeware too? |
| [22:34:04] | wagnerrp: | sierra got bought up by vivendi, right? |
| [22:36:07] | wagnerrp: | i never realized how many games i owned were dynamix |
| [22:36:58] | justinh: | hrm. down to 10 days' EPG data |
| [22:39:30] | iamlindoro: | Woo hoo, inbox to 0! |
| [22:39:41] | iamlindoro: | no outstanding tickets, bills, pet medications, or e-mails! |
| [22:40:27] | jams: | wagnerrp- yes sierra purchased dynamix and then vivendi purchased seirra. The end of an era |
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| [22:42:16] | iamlindoro: | I loved the Dynamix adventure games-- Rise of the Dragon, Willy Beamish, etc. |
| [22:44:52] | nutron: | Willy beamish.. wow that was ages ago, ran it on my $400 2x cdrom drive, that was screamin' |
| [22:45:45] | nutron: | The only reason I bought a pc-compatible apple II card was to play stellar 7 on my apple... :/ $800 down the drain, to have an xt with 1mb of ram in my apple ii |
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| [23:48:00] | [R]: | does it need "oops i crapped my pants"? |
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