Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, August 25th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

sphery: most people dont want to save power, they want to suffer

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wagnerrp:

they think if theyre inconveniencing themselves, it must be good

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wagnerrp:

you use a crummy desktop instead of one with some power, youre doing good

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you know, that actually seems to describe most of the people I know who are big into the whole craze

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wagnerrp:

you raise that thermostat a few extra degrees until its uncomfortable

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wagnerrp:

youre doing so much more than if you just did better insulation

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sphery:

heh, I leave mine at 80F, but that's actually comfortable for me (in my typical "sit around a computer screen" day)

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sphery:

but then again, I'm motivated by money, not other reasons for saving power

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sphery:

that said, I still choose to do things that cost power/money because I want to (like BOINC/SETI@home--$1.50/mo/computer), so it's not like I couldn't lower the thermostat if I wanted to

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sphery:

(especially since I have a very nice new efficient A/C)

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wagnerrp:

right, but if you really wanted to save money, you would get better insulation, or use some sort of swamp cooler

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wagnerrp:

although swamp coolers probably dont do much around there

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sphery:

right

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sphery:

I'm actually working on sealing up my house better, too

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sphery:

so I am doing the right type of focus for it

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, yeah, which completely wastes the benefit of using the picoPSU

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sphery:

(and sorry for starting this in the wrong channel :)

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sphery:

Yeah, that was exactly why I stopped going down the DC->DC PSU route--couldn't find anything that would do the AC->DC efficiently

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wagnerrp:

well the utility of that stuff is when youre doing things that actually provide DC power

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sphery:

and figured I'd be better off with the 80 plus stuff

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wagnerrp:

running it directly off a UPS

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sphery:

right--in a car, it makes sense

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wagnerrp:

or have a whole-home UPS

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wagnerrp:

or in a car

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wagnerrp:

or using solar

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sphery:

I was actually planning an online UPS for it

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wagnerrp:

they make one for that

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sphery:

but still needed to get the AC->DC for that

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wagnerrp:

actually has leads to connect one directly to a battery

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sphery:

whole-home UPS with DC output would be a very nice thing

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sphery:

but in the end, it seemed it would be way more expensive than 80 plus, and not significantly more efficient (if any)

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wagnerrp:

the other nice thing is its small, and it moves the heat outside the case

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wagnerrp:

if youre trying to go fanless, that can make the difference

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

but you know my thoughts on small and quiet :)

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wagnerrp:

how would a 100W TDP CPU draw more than 100W, but only output 100W of heat?

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wagnerrp:

if its not outputting as heat, where is the power going?

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wagnerrp:

there will be a very slight amount spent powering signal channels (which will lose that power as heat)

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wagnerrp:

its not generating light

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wagnerrp:

its not generating noise

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sphery:

wagnerrp: it only outputs the waste heat

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wagnerrp:

its all waste heat

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sphery:

so all that information processing that's not wasted isn't turned to heat :)

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sphery:

that's why I run BOINC--keeps my CPUs cool by making sure all the cycles are doing actual information processing

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sphery:

those poor suckers who let their systems idle must be generating tons of heat

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: youre an electrical guy, correct me if im wrong about TDP equaling power draw, before i respond to this thread

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I'm pretty sure it is the power draw, however, most of that power does end up being converted to heat

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Beirdo:

dunno what %, but planning for 100% might not be a bad plan :)

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wagnerrp:

why is it so easy to roll over and get your headphone wire stuck under your chair... .but so hard to get it back out?

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[R]:

!@$@#%@#$

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[R]:

i hate DOA

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jamesd2:

the worse part of DOA is you always have this feeling that it could possibly pebkac or id-ten-t error and its not really DOA.

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iamlindoro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_or_Alive_Xt . . . h_Volleyball

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iamlindoro:

Oh I think I like it... very much

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[R]:

lol

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totalanni:

now i want to get a skywalker device

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[R]:

you mean a lightsaber?

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wagnerrp:

or an X-wing?

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iamlindoro:

pair of droids

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wagnerrp:

moisture vaporators?

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wagnerrp:

you could be a water farmer

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[R]:

lol

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iamlindoro:

He can't respond right now, he went to toschi station to pick up some power converters

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wagnerrp:

poor kid, all his friends already went off to the academy, no one to hang out with

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totalanni:

heh

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totalanni:

harsh

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wagnerrp:

help me iam-one-lindoro, youre my only hope

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[R]:

ROFL

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iamlindoro:

He's more machine than man now, twisted and eeveel

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totalanni:

just so many options

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wagnerrp:

so are you ever going to explain what you were actually referring to?

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iamlindoro:

nerf herder

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iamlindoro:

There, Windows installed, myth downloaded and compiled, tuner ordered. Tomorrow I start trying to muck through the BDA API

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wagnerrp:

you actually got myth compiled?

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iamlindoro:

yep, had to fix code in one case and track down deps manually, but yeah

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kormoc:

Old Jedi never reveal all their tricks

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wagnerrp:

for some reason, ive got a distaste for activeperl

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[R]:

iamlindoro: bda? you're gonna make myth work with tuners in windows!?

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wagnerrp:

never been wiling to install it

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iamlindoro:

[R], gonna take a run at it, yeah

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wagnerrp:

and cant seem to get mythtv compiled manually

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[R]:

iamlindoro: sounds quite evil

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iamlindoro:

had to happen sometime, I'm the only one stupid enough to do it ;)

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

i want to do something for myth

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wagnerrp:

groupie

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

you could make crafts, sell beads, follow the developers around the country

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jamesd2:

create your own myth...and pass it on to your children and there childrens children,....

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[R]:

wagnerrp: all i can think of is that quote from school of rock

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[R]:

wagnerrp: and then i think... no thank you

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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kormoc:

TO THOSE ABOUT TO CODE! WE SALUTE YOU!

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[R]:

"groupy? they have sex with the band"

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kormoc:

[R], nonono, that's the Gropies

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[R]:

HAHA

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jamesd2:

wow have sex with a mythtv/c++ coder, that is some crazy freaky shite you are talking about there...

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wagnerrp:

apparently it happens

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kormoc:

Yeah, some of them are so fit to run iron man triathlons! How horrible!

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wagnerrp:

theres like a third with toddlers, and another third with recent infants

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: run a triathlon? i would love to see that

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[R]:

theres supposed to be iron man here in like nov or something

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[R]:

but there is no water in the lake

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I guess I gave away the fact that it's not me then :P

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[R]:

this crazy guy at my work is gonna do it

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wagnerrp:

either youre running on top of the water, or on the lake floor

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[R]:

hes like 50

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wagnerrp:

either way, it would be quite a show

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[R]:

wagnerrp: its swimming...

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

hey now, he said run

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kormoc:

Nah, just a great great great grandson of christ, tis all

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kormoc:

it also explains why I'm always drunk, all that water into wine thing

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[R]:

this drunk guy just said "i can't breathe because of oxygen" and he has 2 collapsed lungs

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wagnerrp:

ironman eh? i didnt think you had made it up to those yet

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kormoc:

Pewterman!

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wagnerrp:

ive done about half the bike ride

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wagnerrp:

i am strangely tired tonight

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wagnerrp:

must have been all the packing

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kormoc:

moving?

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wagnerrp:

sis did, couple weeks ago

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kormoc:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

left for new mexico with a laptop and trunk full of clothes

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kormoc:

Adventure awaits eh?

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wagnerrp:

abandoned us with having to lug thousands of pounds of furniture down the stairs and into a uhaul

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wagnerrp:

and books, and other assorted heavy items

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: sounds... fun

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** Beirdo wakes up from a 2+h nap **

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Beirdo:

just in time to see "/var/log/mythfilldatabase.log" fly by in the logs

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Beirdo:

not valid!

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Beirdo:

grr

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Beirdo:

oh look... another hidden setting

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Beirdo:

oh whoah.

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

status=139... that >= 15 ;)

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Beirdo:

never mind

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Beirdo:

was gonna say, how did that signal slip through

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justinh:

meep meep

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justinh:

heard I had another failed recording yesterday.. from Saturday.. 101 Ways To Leave A Gameshow. I'm starting to think mythbackend is developing *taste*

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Beirdo:

hahah

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Beirdo:

funny, it still records "Big Brother" and "Survivor" last I heard

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justinh:

yeh, and X Factor

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justinh:

it'll learn, though

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Beirdo:

give it time :)

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justinh:

I think what'd really help is if every mythbackend in the world was connected together, peer to peer style. that'd accelerate its lerninz

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Gibby:

so I got diskless mostly working, i got the PXE boot working and boots, however when i run mythfrontend for the first time i get "Cannot find (ping) database host on" any ideas?

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justinh:

WTH?! lemme pastebin this log

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Beirdo:

justinh: nah, that might backfire on us ;)

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justinh:

here we go: http://pastebin.ca/1924903

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justinh:

when I had active EIT enabled sometimes I'd get errors about the dvb device already being in use – so I turned that off & it's been ok for weeks as far as we know.. til this

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justinh:

Gibby: prolly the same thing that trips up every user trying to get a remote frontend working ;) Check you can actually log into the mysql server from the netbooted box

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Beirdo:

hehe, I dunno man. If I were a DVB user, I might have a clue

[06:54:19]

Gibby:

how do I check that?

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justinh:

Beirdo: I think there's something racey in the code maybe.. but that's for the active EIT issue

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justinh:

Gibby: open a terminal, and mysql -u mythtv -pWHATEVERTHEPASSWORDIS -h hostname/IP

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Gibby:

is that the password for the mythtv user or the pin code for the database?

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justinh:

Beirdo: when active EIT was enabled myth would complain about the device already being in use when it went to record, then it'd segfault

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Beirdo:

justinh: could be, yeah. I know the Cross EIT setting was yanked recently

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justinh:

Gibby: neither. the password for the *mysql* mythtv user

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Gibby:

oooo uhhhhh hmmmm

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justinh:

every mythtv user should know their db passwords man

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justinh:

I blame certain distros for automagically generating passwords for them

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Beirdo:

and make sure your mysql is accessible on the network

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Beirdo:

not just on localhost on the server

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justinh:

oh and when you're done checking that, you'll need to ensure that the backend is running on the LAN ip address of the backend machine, not 127.0.0.1

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Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

Beirdo: I figure it's something racey in the code anyway – otherwise mythbackend wouldn't even try to go for a tuner that was in use

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Gibby:

I have 3 other frontends workin

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Beirdo:

justinh: unless it's a multirec thing

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justinh:

Gibby: well if you'd said that already we wouldn't have had to say the last bits ;)

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justinh:

Beirdo: oo yeah good point

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Gibby:

lol sorry, trying to fix an issue with solaris patching at work also

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Beirdo:

if this new frontend is on a different LAN, you will need to specifically tell it where the DB server is

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justinh:

and FYI Gibby mythfrontend finds out where the db lives to find out where the backend lives.. upnp notwithstanding.. I dunno what happens there

[07:00:28]

Beirdo:

the discovery stuff doesn't cross LAN boundaries

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Gibby:

i have upnp disabled

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justinh:

any particular reason?

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Gibby:

sweet i connected using the mysql from terminal

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justinh:

Gibby: so assuming everything else is good, you won't have a problem if you put the right details into mythfrontend

[07:02:00]

Gibby:

that might be were i was getting confused, the details in the frontend for the password it is the mythtv mysql id password?

[07:02:13]

Gibby:

I disabled upnp so I can run a different upnp server on my backend

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Beirdo:

that makes not much sense, they wont run on the same port anyways

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justinh:

it'll be nicer when/if mythtv's db is all nicely integrated

[07:03:21]

Beirdo:

nicer or infinitely worse :)

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Beirdo:

let's hope for nicer

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justinh:

depends whether you like to fiddle lots with it or not ;)

[07:03:43]

Gibby:

you can only run 1 upnp server, on a server

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Beirdo:

huh?

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justinh:

hopefully by that time nobody will even need to mess with their db

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Beirdo:

says who?

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Beirdo:

you can only run one upnp server per IP/port combo

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Gibby:

the wouldn't be able to bind to the same IP/port the first instance would take it and the second would not

[07:04:32]

Beirdo:

as the myth one runs on its own port...

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Beirdo:

the other server won't be using the ports that mythtv uses

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Gibby:

hmmm, well i don't think myth upnp would do what i wanted anyways

[07:05:19]

Beirdo:

well that could be

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justinh:

heh that file mythbackend recorded was only 3.8M

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Beirdo:

justinh: sucky

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justinh:

wonder if it's also a scheduler thing

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Gibby:

so the password that is asked for when you start the frontend the firsttime, which password is that?

[07:06:18]

justinh:

the *mysql* password

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justinh:

for a mysql user whose privileges allow access to the mythconverg database

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Beirdo:

OK, you stupid computer!

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justinh:

which is generally just 'mythtv'

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Beirdo:

IR receiver not doin anything suddenly

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justinh:

Beirdo: 101 ways to leave a gameshow is the most tedious gameshow I've ever seen. the premise is that contestants are asked questions & are given a bunch of answers, of which all but one are correct. Whoever picks an incorrect answer gets to 'leave' the show by some supposedly terrifying means – like being put in a shopping cart which is on a slope 200 feet above a pool of water

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justinh:

i.e. they all get put in their own cart, but only the cable of whoever was wrong is released

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justinh:

it *sounds* like q fun show to watch, but they take far too long trying to build tension unnecessarily

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

my lirc just stopped.

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Gibby:

still getting the "Cannot find (ping) database host on" on my diskless frontend, i triple checked against my other frontends.....

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Beirdo:

I don't get this

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justinh:

the person with the incorrect answer is.... then 30 secs later... you want to kill the TV....

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AndyCap:

better if they just chucked half the contestants in a wood chipper right away?

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justinh:

AndyCap: lol

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justinh:

better if they just chucked the *host* in a wood chipper

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AndyCap:

now that I'd watch

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justinh:

it's made by the same people who do Total Wipeout

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Beirdo:

the ir receiver sees the traffic, lirc doesn't with irw

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Beirdo:

wha?

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AndyCap:

input driver?

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justinh:

every time I see it I'm just reminded of Noel Edmonds' Late Late Breakfast Show.. on which a member of the public died during a bungee jump stunt

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justinh:

Gibby: can you er.. actually ping the database host from a terminal?

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Beirdo:

swapped the batteries in the remote... working fine again

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Beirdo:

argh :)

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Gibby:

justinh: yep

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Gibby:

justinh: also the mysql command line you gave me works too

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justinh:

I might have to do some open Harmony surgery at the weekend. one of the volume buttons is getting tricky to push

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justinh:

Gibby: dunno what might be up then. everything on the same subnet? are you using IP addresses not hostnames?

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Gibby:

yep and yep

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justinh:

Gibby: we're gonna have to see mythfrontend log output I think

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Gibby:

i will find it, but i need to go get a pepcid and have a cig first, this solaris patching issue is killing me, already used 1 5HR Energy

[07:18:47]

justinh:

could be worse. you could be a complete linux noob trying to patch his kernel to get his tuner card to work with patch -pl < patch.patch

[07:19:20]

justinh:

what do you MEAN l is not a number?! I KNOW 'l' is not a number!!!!!!!! The webpage says patch -pl !!!!!!!!! Grrr

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justinh:

hours later... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. It's 1, not l ;-)

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Gibby:

you were copying and pasting?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

I hadn't got around to installing a web browser on that gentoo box, nor had I installed ssh yet ;)

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justinh:

I don't think I've ever learned so much as I did in that fortnight lol

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justinh:

SO glad I never gave up on it too

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Gibby:

there is nothing under /var/log/mythtv .....

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justinh:

Gibby: so just run it from a terminal

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justinh:

then grab the text from the terminal :)

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justinh:

or run it with mythfrontend -l $logfile

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justinh:

where $logfile is the path & filename of the file you want it to log to

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Gibby:

what is up with pastebin

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Gibby:

got it now

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Gibby:

http://pastebin.com/vh4akhBi

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Gibby:

brb

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Beirdo:

ummm

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Beirdo:

it's trying to connect locally

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Beirdo:

and you obviously have issues.... it can't write teh mysql.txt file into the home dir?

[07:29:14]

Beirdo:

are you trying to use a read-only filesystem?

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justinh:

"That footage of the woman putting the cat in the bin was horrifying. Doesn't she know domestic pets go in the GREEN bins only?" LOL

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Beirdo:

every time dustybin is around, I'm reminded of a song my dad has on 45RPM....

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Beirdo:

Lonnie Donegan – My Old Man's A Dustman

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Beirdo:

heh

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Gibby:

hmmm ok

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Gibby:

i can touch files in my homedir so it isn't ready only

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justinh:

Beirdo: this is dustybin: http://bp1.blogger.com/_p-DnkTXqSKk/R-twwxqdR . . . usty+bin.jpg – no really it IS :-)

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justinh:

dustybin was the mascot on a really REALLY *REALLY* crummy 80s gameshow

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Beirdo:

hhehe

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justinh:

Viz comic ran a hilarious story about how miserable his life became after the show was cancelled.. and how he ultimately had a sex change op

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Beirdo:

leave it to my dad to have 45s from fairly unknown British performers (at least unknown on this side of the pond)

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Beirdo:

OK, to be fair... Scottish performer

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justinh:

he was Scottish? heh news to me

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justinh:

bet he's got some stuff by Max Bygraves in there too

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Beirdo:

born in Glasgow

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Beirdo:

probably more Brit than Scot though for all I know

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Beirdo:

move to London at 2 years old

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Beirdo:

heh, there ya go

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justinh:

being Scotland is in Great Britain.. so Scots are a subset of Brits ;-)

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Beirdo:

wellll, yeah

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Beirdo:

but if you call a Scot a Brit to his face, you may get slapped

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Beirdo:

this I know from knowing some Scots :)

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justinh:

apparently I'm almost half Scottish. I say pah & tish to my folks whenever they tell me that

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justinh:

bagpipes make my ears bleed profuseely

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

tossed any cabers lately? :)

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Beirdo:

I think my ancestors were apparently a border clan

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Beirdo:

so... kinda half both, trusted by neither

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justinh:

I changed my mind about Scotland when the company I worked for got bought out by Sun & bussed anybody willing to a fun day in Linlithgow, Scotland

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justinh:

it was all immense fun.. and yeah I even tried my hand at tossing a (very small) caber

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Beirdo:

heh ;)

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Beirdo:

I'd love to go to Scotland some time

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Beirdo:

easier for you than me

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Beirdo:

tis a bit more of a trip

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Beirdo:

that and Ireland.

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Beirdo:

OK, England too :)

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Beirdo:

and let's not forget the Welsh. hehe

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justinh:

I love Wales

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justinh:

North & South

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

how about New South

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justinh:

we used to holiday in North Wales when I was a kid. took a friend along one year & he was mortified to see there were no amusement parks, no discos... literally *everything* there was to do, you had to invent it

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Beirdo:

awww, how... cool

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

never been to oz.. hope to one day

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Beirdo:

sounds like a good place for a holiday... relaxing even

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justinh:

back then all I needed was a rockpool ;-)

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Beirdo:

I'd want a comfy couch and a pile of books

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justinh:

some of the people I work with look at me with disdain when they find out there's no wifi/internet where I'm going

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justinh:

they don't get that it's a HOLIDAY

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

for me getting away from it all means just that

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Beirdo:

good for you, man :)

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Beirdo:

I like to have internet available, but getting away is definitely best

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justinh:

and FWIW, even if I had my home security hooked up to the internet I would NOT want to spoil my holiday worrying that there'd been a breakin

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

whattaya gonna do if you get a text/email that the alarm has been triggered when you're lying on a beach somewhere? hop on the next flight home? :-O

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Beirdo:

nah

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Beirdo:

text the cops :)

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justinh:

yuh right

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Beirdo:

then toss teh phone in the ocean

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justinh:

lol

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Beirdo:

not my problem until I get home.

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justinh:

last really good holiday I had was in the S. of France. spoiled a little bit by me misreading a sign & ending up having my hire car impounded

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Beirdo:

oops

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justinh:

hotel receptionist was like "ooo, very sorry.. it'll be very expensive to get the car back"... here's me, from Manchester.. thinking 'expensive' would run into hundreds.. In Manchester if you car is impounded it's generally over £300 to see it again

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justinh:

turned out to be like 70 Euros lol

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

expensive? pfft.

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Beirdo:

just call it an expensive day of parking :)

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justinh:

and it's surprising how good your French can become when the guy on the front desk at the police station can't speak any English

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Beirdo:

s/can't/won't/

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justinh:

heheheh yes

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Beirdo:

make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/opt/mythtv/upnp-8801/lib/libmythavutil.50.so', needed by `libmytharchive.so'. Stop.

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Beirdo:

oh. wtf now?!

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justinh:

nah, in that part of France you'd be surprised. the lab technician at IBM in La Gaude really didn't know much beyond 'hello' in English

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justinh:

she was really cute though

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Gibby:

looks like it is a permissions issue on /etc/default/mysql.txt file

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Beirdo:

"Hello" and "Yes", the only words you need

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Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

aha! ubuntu, j'accuse!

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Gibby:

now just need to figure out how to fix it, i just did a quick chmod 777 on it, so i could tell that was the issue

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Beirdo:

who borked this!?

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justinh:

is your user in the mythtv group?

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Gibby:

yes it is

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justinh:

does the mythtv group have write access to that file?

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Gibby:

however it the UID's are different for mythv user between the server that is hosting the PXE boot and the remote frontend

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Gibby:

yep

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Gibby:

it does

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justinh:

might be the UIDs then

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justinh:

I don't understand all that stuff as well as I should

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Beirdo:

ahhh, nigel.

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Beirdo:

good work, lad

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Gibby:

i am thinking UID's

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justinh:

don't *need* to know, so I don't ;)

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justinh:

and because there aren't enough ports on the switches left, everybody's desktop PC uses the network outlet of the phone

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

looovely

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justinh:

mine goes into an 8 port switch on my desk.. I need more than one port

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justinh:

and I can't just put the phone into that, cos it's PoE

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justinh:

and the switch ain't. heh

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justinh:

hmph. what use is the 'mount' option in a desktop file browser if there' no way to get super to do it?

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justinh:

my user is in the admin group.. so surely this thing should be smart enough & just ask for a password

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Beirdo:

so... hdpvr... now using spdif for audio

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Beirdo:

and I'm assuming I have it setup right for AC3

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Beirdo:

although live tv was only giving AAC, so I think there was no AC3 to pass through, etc

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Beirdo:

I set the recording profile use AC3, but I'm not sure how that all works.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

something to ask the knowledgable... tomorrow

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justinh:

yeah all UK HD is AAC, so no passthru there :-\

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Beirdo:

some shows here are AC3, but I'd bet most of theh stuff coming from my DirecTV HD receiver isn't... oh wait

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Beirdo:

maybe I have to tell IT what to do

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

dolby digital on

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Beirdo:

otherwise it always outputs PCM only

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Beirdo:

so found a playback issue

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simonckenyon:

if i go into mythvideo and then list and hit W on a video that i don't have metadata for; it displays two copies of the video title slightly offset from each other. have to leave and go back in again for it to get fixed. this is with arclight. is this a known issue?

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justinh:

heheheh http://web.archive.org/web/20070715215858/htt . . . /lrl2007.jpg

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

go, comcast

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iamlindoro:

Not Comcast's fault unless they started providing the power too

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I'll blame them anyways

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Beirdo:

it's always their fault

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Beirdo:

them or Microsoft, take your pick :)

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justinh:

ffs this hdmi cable thing is still coming back to bite me

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justinh:

at no point did I ever say it was *qualified*

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justinh:

and *still* nobody has got any mini HDMI sockets in

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Beirdo:

time for me to go to bed.

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Beirdo:

why do I get these horrid thoughts at bed time...

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Beirdo:

was just wondering... how nuvexport likes 6ch AC3 input

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

not tonight. stupid brain.

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justinh:

hmmm HDMI analyser.. under 6 grand :-)

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caelor:

I have a question about MythArchive, and MythVideo storage groups – I've not been able to successfully add a file from the videos to a DVD. Looking into the code, it seems there's no storage group awareness in MythArchive. Am I correct?

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phil___:

hiho

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phil___:

wagnerrp: are you there? solved the audio toggling

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phil___:

there's just one think not working out like it should, perhaps someone could give me a hint on that

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phil___:

basically i introduced a menuitem "Toggle Projector" executing a script which in turn changes display setups accordingly and firing up one of two possible frontend configs

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phil___:

by providing MYTHCONFDIR="~/.mythtv_projector" in one case

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phil___:

i can safely toggle between both setups, the x-display part is working well

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phil___:

but when starting up mythfrontend, toggling to mythfrontendProjector and back, i get the wrong instance

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waxhead:

I'm running a diskless mythfrontend... do I need to nfs mount the file systems where recordings and movies are for it work?

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bashtoni:

waxhead: No to recordings

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bashtoni:

waxhead: I think there's an option to set to stream movies from the backend (for mythvideo). Previously you did have to NFS mount IIRC

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waxhead:

bashtoni, ok.. getting errors though, saying it file should be local and a mythsocket error

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waxhead:

oh.. I'll have to check that out!

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bashtoni:

waxhead: On my (with disk) standalone frontend I don't have recordings mounted, but can playback fine

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waxhead:

bashtoni, ok.. I thought that's what I had last time I set this up... for some reason this time, the frontend isn't working...

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waxhead:

I'll keep googling

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waxhead:

hmm.. so now it's working..

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phil___:

can i change the osd showning the info on channels to fullscreen?

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phil___:

i am just able to read the first 3 lines in all avalable themes

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wagnerrp:

you can edit the theme to change the size, yes

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wagnerrp:

oh fantastic... plugmyth

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phil___:

ah wagnerrp, i solved the audio issue

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wagnerrp:

i saw

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phil___:

for my setup with monitor or projector i used MYTHCONFDIR and the custom identifier

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wagnerrp:

so you basically have two separate installs that you flip between

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wagnerrp:

and you restart the frontend to access them

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phil___:

projector -> 5.1 upmix, although somehow i feel that original ac3 sounds better

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phil___:

yes

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phil___:

with a button in the main menu

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phil___:

so it switches "itself" is the look and feel part

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phil___:

i've read about a bug so that if ac3 is present, it got downsampled and upsampled again

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phil___:

do you know when this was resolved?

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wagnerrp:

if you turn off the 'advanced audio processing', there will be no resampling

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wagnerrp:

or remixing

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phil___:

apart from upmixing stereo to ac3

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phil___:

ok, good to know

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wagnerrp:

thats only done if you check off that 'advanced' box in the settings

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phil___:

finally, it's done

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phil___:

took me roughly a week

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phil___:

but i had to begin from scratch in as good as every aspect

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phil___:

i bet with that ease even my GF will use it

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phil___:

youre doing a great job on myth, thanks!

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wagnerrp:

apparently im going to have to teach thermodynamics 101

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wagnerrp:

someone apparently believes that you can dissipate energy to... entropy

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wagnerrp:

no...

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wagnerrp:

no no no

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phil___:

where do you teach it?

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wagnerrp:

on the mythtv mailing list

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phil___:

lol

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phil___:

well, if it's serious, and i doubt it, i'm currently doing my MSc in physics

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wagnerrp:

you probably know a bit about electricity and electronics then

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wagnerrp:

say you have a processor with a 100W TDP

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phil___:

well, a bit, yes, but more theoretically than anything practical

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wagnerrp:

that means it will not dissipate more than 100W of thermal energy, meaning thats all the more power it can draw, right?

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wagnerrp:

there are no chemical reactions, no physical movement, no light produced

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wagnerrp:

the only place that energy can go is heat

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phil___:

well, i'd rephrase it a bit but in general you're right

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wagnerrp:

so it cannot possibly be drawing more power than it releases in heat

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phil___:

no, thats wrong

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phil___:

or at least not entirely correct

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: isn't the more dealing with efficiency

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skd5aner:

0 heat would mean 100% efficiency...

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phil___:

think of energy as beiing able to transform

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phil___:

and heat is the very least stage

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phil___:

what once was light or this or that, mechanical energy, whatever, will be heat at the end of the universe

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phil___:

but may be anything else inbetween

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wagnerrp:

right, but if youre not using that to perform useful work, the only place for it to go is heat

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phil___:

yes

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wagnerrp:

thats where the entropy got brought up

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wagnerrp:

someone thinks it can get converted directly into entropy

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: actually, a continuation of some discussion on the mailing list

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: the shiva plug backend?

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wagnerrp:

but you cant convert to entropy, as entropy is not a measure of energy per se

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phil___:

thats right

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wagnerrp:

you lose it to heat, which cannot be isentropically converted back to a useful form of energy, hence resulting in an increase in entropy

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phil___:

entropy itself is a pseudopotential, derivations of it can be directly observed

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: no, the superserver one

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phil___:

well

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phil___:

if you've got a temperature gradient you can derive energy from it

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phil___:

but thats two systems then, not one

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wagnerrp:

correct, but there will be losses, you cannot recover all of it

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phil___:

yes, theory does not imply that there must be losses

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phil___:

but experiment always deals with imperfections so this is generally true

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phil___:

a nice concept there is also, if you expand the system you look at to include every and anything, energy stays constat

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phil___:

it's then just the "type" of energy which gets lost

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wagnerrp:

right, im just talking about carnot efficiency

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wagnerrp:

you can never transform everything back out of heat

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wagnerrp:

so there will always be some irrecoverably lost as heat

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phil___:

ye

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wagnerrp:

anyway, still not understanding where power fed into a processor could go if not into heat

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wagnerrp:

either from heat lost in the processor itself

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wagnerrp:

or heat in the power lines

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phil___:

well, physically, think of a signal sent by the cpu to.... ram

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phil___:

thats energy too

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wagnerrp:

energy rather

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wagnerrp:

and anything used to power signal lines is again, lost as heat

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phil___:

not everything

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phil___:

take the power you fed into it and subtract the heat it produces

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phil___:

the difference is then the effective power which your computer uses

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skd5aner:

is there a good way to see if you are maxing out a PSU?

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: can you boot?

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wagnerrp:

if so, with how many hard drives?

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yes, but my MBE over the last few months has become increasingly unstable, and the last thing I did was add an additional hard drive

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wagnerrp:

if you can turn it on, and have all your hard drives come on, youve got plenty of headroom for normal operation

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skd5aner:

it will randomly "stop" – and the power LED will steadily flash on and off, and the only way to recover is by flipping off the psu, waiting, then turning the psu back on

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wagnerrp:

those things pull an additional 15–20W each during spinup

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skd5aner:

I can't seem to track down why it just randomly stops, and I was thinking it might be PSU related

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wagnerrp:

the power LED flashing usually means the system has gone into standby and you dont have a dual-color LED

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skd5aner:

Well, it's not standby

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skd5aner:

I know that for sure

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phil___:

does it vanish if you take out the HD again?

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wagnerrp:

what all do you have in the system? what power PSU? what manufacturer PSU?

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wagnerrp:

and how old PSU?

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skd5aner:

It does usually happen in batches... for example, it'll happen (maybe at least once a week), and is completely unresponsive to any input (keyboard, power button, reset button, etc)... the only way to reset is by flipping off PSU until all power is out of the mobo...

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skd5aner:

then, when it starts back up, often times it'll "freeze" again within a few minutes, maybe 1–2 more times

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skd5aner:

then is good for a few weeks

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wagnerrp:

that sounds more like a hardware instability than a problem with power

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skd5aner:

I think it has to be a PSU, CPU, memory, or Mobo issue

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wagnerrp:

something 'bad' gets into some register backed by a capacitor

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yea, I definitely think so – just having a difficult time trying to track it down

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yea, I'm hoping it's not a bad cap :(

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wagnerrp:

you have to remove the power completely to allow the capacitor to discharge and the memory to be flushed

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phil___:

i'd google for conflicts with the new harddrive to your mobo and other parts

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wagnerrp:

may be resolvable by upgrading firmware on something or another

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skd5aner:

nah, too old :(

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wagnerrp:

what power is your PSU rated for?

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skd5aner:

well, maybe the HD

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: let me go get all the details, I don't recall off the top of my head – brb

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wagnerrp:

ballpark?

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skd5aner:

350W-400W

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wagnerrp:

and the manufacturer?

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itscrimetime:

how much does a pentuim d 2.8ghz with motherboard/cpu/2 gig ram usally go for?

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wagnerrp:

DDR1 or 2?

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itscrimetime:

ddr3

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wagnerrp:

keep the board and memory, replace the processor with something newer

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itscrimetime:

i was gona sell it since i don't need it

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: Antec Neo HE550 – http://www.antec.com/specs/NeoHE550_spe.html

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wagnerrp:

hey, ive got one of those

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wagnerrp:

500W one though

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itscrimetime:

wagnerro i listed on ebay for 100.00 no bids

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wagnerrp:

yeah, unless the PSU is outright failing, its not going to be giving you power dirty enough to cause problems

[14:54:53]

itscrimetime:

was it too high

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skd5aner:

Mobo: MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum (socket 939) – http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&am . . . ;prod_no=165

[14:55:11]

wagnerrp:

itscrimetime: because that P-D is a piece of crap

[14:55:24]

wagnerrp:

the board and memory alone would go for $100

[14:55:41]

wagnerrp:

although im thinking its not actually DDR3

[14:55:43]

itscrimetime:

anyone wanta buy it lol

[14:55:51]

wagnerrp:

as DDR3 did not even exist when the P-Ds were being sold

[14:56:03]

itscrimetime:

it a new msi motherboard

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phil___:

skd5aner: i'd google for conflicts of this mobo to HDD drives

[14:56:28]

skd5aner:

The board is actually 4–5 years old I believe, it's definitely not "new"

[14:56:40]

skd5aner:

can't remember when I got it

[14:57:10]

phil___:

then you probably will find something in the net if there are hardware conflicts with the mobo

[14:57:28]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: cpu – model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+

[14:57:31]

phil___:

thats something you can do without spending too much money :-)

[14:58:05]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: unless youve got a dozen hard drives in the thing, youre not even coming close to having problems booting

[14:58:10]

wagnerrp:

much less when in actual operation

[14:58:18]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I didn't think so...

[14:58:32]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I just wasn't sure of an easy way to check

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: trying to eliminate possible issues as best as possible

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skd5aner:

phil___: I'm not sure it's the HD, but could be... I can check

[14:59:55]

phil___:

skd5aner: well, thats something you might quite easily test for causing the problem by unplugging it

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phil___:

skd5aner: finding out the other component causing the conflict will be more challenging, but if everything is fine without the hd, then you know for sure that everything else is sane

[15:01:45]

phil___:

which is kind of a good starting point

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skd5aner:

phil___: searched, no dice

[15:02:20]

skd5aner:

If I just knew which component it was that was failing, that would be nice

[15:02:42]

skd5aner:

CPU, memory, PSU, mobo – got to be one of those most likely, and I hope it's not the mobo

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phil___:

well it started out after the hdd installation right?

[15:03:12]

skd5aner:

phil___: I could unplug the drive, and see if that helps...

[15:03:21]

phil___:

yes

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skd5aner:

phil___: well, it has happened before then as well, but definitly very very infrequent... so, that's why I assumed maybe a PSU problem...

[15:03:57]

phil___:

ah ok

[15:04:00]

skd5aner:

since then, the occurances have increased drastically

[15:04:12]

phil___:

do you have the latest bios on the mobo?

[15:04:21]

skd5aner:

yup

[15:04:37]

phil___:

are there other components on the same bus as the hdd?

[15:04:42]

phil___:

a second i.e.

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wagnerrp:

eew... shared bus

[15:05:14]

wagnerrp:

still using PATA on that thing?

[15:05:18]

skd5aner:

but, of course with mobo that was release end of 2004/early 2005, they haven't pumped out any new bios updates in years

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yes, for 1 drive (and optical)

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skd5aner:

5 SATA

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skd5aner:

Hey, it was a great mobo at the time, and for an MBE, it's served me well

[15:08:20]

wagnerrp:

ive still got nvidia 939s on two of my systems

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phil___:

occasional failures of any weird kind usually indicates something ram related

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wagnerrp:

MBE and a dedicated FE

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phil___:

a thorough ram check is something you can do easily too

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skd5aner:

had 4 PCI slots, which at the time was getting a little harder to find and I had 5 tuner cards. Also had 8 sata ports

[15:09:02]

skd5aner:

just MBE

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skd5aner:

oh, thought you were asking... nevermind :)

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wagnerrp:

mine's only got 16

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skd5aner:

my FE/SBE is a Core2

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skd5aner:

16 sata ports?

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wagnerrp:

(raid card + onboard)

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skd5aner:

built in to the mobo or via expansion cards

[15:10:06]

skd5aner:

yea

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skd5aner:

I knew I was going to be taking all the slots for the tuner cards, so I had to find as many onboard as possible

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skd5aner:

8 was the max – it's even hard to find 8 now

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skd5aner:

of course, 4 of those were SATA 1 and 4 SATA 2

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skd5aner:

but, for video drives, SATA 1 is just fine

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wagnerrp:

for hard disks, SATA 1 is just fine

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skd5aner:

funds for upgrades just aren't feasible, but man is it frustrating to find that the MBE has just stopped a few times a week

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: you mean you haven't upgraded to sata3 yet? ;-)

[15:18:16]

wagnerrp:

no, and i dont store bulk data on SSDs yet either

[15:18:30]

wagnerrp:

something about them being ~100x too expensive

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skd5aner:

so, last night it died... I've fired it up 2 times this morning, and it's died within 4 minutes both times

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skd5aner:

UGH!

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: hehehe... ;-) I was gonna add "SDDs" in there – ie: "sata3 SDDs yet?" but held back... ;-)

[15:19:30]

wagnerrp:

disks are only very recently saturating SATA 1

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wagnerrp:

the only use for SATA2/3 is for SSDs or port expanders

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kormoc:

burst rates to/from disk cache

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kormoc:

but then you're limited to 8 to 64 megabytes

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wagnerrp:

yeah, not much worth calling home for

[15:23:41]

wagnerrp:

especially when your controller card has 2GB/s of bandwidth and another 256MB of its own storage

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kormoc:

I wouldn't bother with SSDs for bulk storage just because there's not enough data on longevity of the medium yet

[15:25:34]

wagnerrp:

(and the price)

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kormoc:

Sure, some folks are using it in heavy database loads, but they're the ones that can replace a failed SSD daily and not really care

[15:26:45]

wagnerrp:

yeah, when youre using a single one to replace a dozen 15K drives, theyre not so bad

[15:27:05]

bashtoni:

SSDs suck for server work because there aren't any RAID cards that support TRIM, at least no mainstream ones

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kormoc:

If you have a read heavy database load, linux software raid is perfectly fine and supports TRIM

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kormoc:

it's the mixed or write heavy loads that 'require' hardware cards

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bashtoni:

kormoc: You need a battery backed (or similar) controller for server work

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kormoc:

bashtoni, only for writes

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kormoc:

the battery provides no protection at all for reads

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bashtoni:

kormoc: Well, yeah, obviously

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kormoc:

and it depends on work load, there's a lot of folks who are extremely read heavy (on the order of 10 million reads to one write) who can redo the writes if they fail

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bashtoni:

kormoc: Those people are generally better off using caching, although obviously it depends on the task

[15:31:24]

kormoc:

for them, hardware raid + bbu vs software raid + ssds, software raid+ssh is much much better

[15:31:56]

kormoc:

depends on the dataset, when you have 10t+ of data in a column storage engine, reads are all you care about

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bashtoni:

kormoc: What you're talking about are corner cases, not standard server workloads

[15:33:14]

kormoc:

when I stated my line above, I did say read-heavy loads

[15:33:34]

kormoc:

and that is what I consider a read heavy load :)

[15:33:47]

kormoc:

I also spoke specifically of databases

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kormoc:

and data-warehousing with column data stores aren't that uncommon

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bashtoni:

kormoc: Very few databases are exclusively read with atomic writes not important

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jams:

funny..we have 5 or 6 databases that have 10+TB of data in a column storage engine and yes all we care about are read and data load times

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kormoc:

bashtoni, more then you likely think

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jams:

well that was just odd

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kormoc:

heh

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ThisOtherGuy:

hey all – can anyone explain where the new external/ffmpeg stuff in trunk installs to?

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Beirdo:

everybody's an expert in their own mind :)

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wagnerrp:

ThisOtherGuy: same place as everything else

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wagnerrp:

${PREFIX}/bin, ${PREFIX}/lib, ${PREFIX}/include

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ThisOtherGuy:

wagnerrp: does that mean that anything that uses ffmpeg on my system will now use the new myth version?

[15:55:51]

wagnerrp:

no, the names are still the same as they used to be

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kormoc:

Beirdo, yeah, read heavy loads/column based stores are this magical place where 'rules' change. and if you never get to use it, I can see how you wouldn't know that

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Beirdo:

only if linked against libmythavcodec, etc

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ThisOtherGuy:

I see – thanks!

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wagnerrp:

the ffmpeg build script supports a prefix

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kormoc:

What do you mean I have to scan billions of rows for a query and answer in under a minute?

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Beirdo:

heh, yeah

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wagnerrp:

which mythtv uses to brand its own versions of the installed libav* libraries

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: at this point, I'd say "it's own snapshots" would be a fair thing to say

[15:57:33]

wagnerrp:

fair enough

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Beirdo:

as to my knowledge, we aren't modifying it anymore, YAY!

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jams:

kormoc- magical is one or many phases that can be used to describe them.

[15:58:11]

wagnerrp:

did we ever modify it that much? outside of restructuring it to fit in our build tree

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Beirdo:

I think we used to have some custom patches that eventually made it in upstream

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Beirdo:

but I could be wrong

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wagnerrp:

well probably all the nuppelvideo stuff

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kormoc:

jams, Heh, I enjoy the space, but it can be nightmarish at times, aye

[15:59:16]

Beirdo:

heh, likely related

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Beirdo:

anywho, I should get moving

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devinheitmueller:

!seen j-rod

[16:00:17]

MythLogBot:

j-rod was last seen 10 days 19 hours 39 minutes 52 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

hes in the other channel a lot more often

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iamlindoro:

He also had internet connection issues last night

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ThisOtherGuy:

Has anyone else had issues with the vdpau painter? My screen goes all black whenever I exit from a recording

[16:07:45]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: Yeah, I saw that on his facebook.

[16:07:57]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: heh, yeah, me too

[16:08:38]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: hey, unrelated question: how many hd-pvrs do you have?

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iamlindoro:

I have two right now

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iamlindoro:

Why do you ask?

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devinheitmueller:

both hooked up at the same time?

[16:09:04]

iamlindoro:

yeah

[16:09:10]

iamlindoro:

Using serial number for udev

[16:09:14]

devinheitmueller:

mkrufky was asking me yesterday whether anybody had tested more than one unit at a time.

[16:09:25]

iamlindoro:

yeah, have had 2 for a few years, jpabq does the same

[16:09:32]

devinheitmueller:

ok. cool.

[16:09:34]

devinheitmueller:

I figured as much.

[16:09:46]

** jams also runs two **

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: was there some concern about > 1?

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janneg:

devinheitmueller: someone was running more than 4

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devinheitmueller:

Do you use the IR blasting?

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: No, I don't, given the horror stories about HD-PVR IR I avoid it entirely-- USB IR receive, firewire channel change

[16:10:36]

devinheitmueller:

I don't think there was a specific "concern" so much as he was looking to set something up and wanted to know ahead of time if there was any reason it wouldn't work.

[16:10:50]

devinheitmueller:

I actually have the same setup.

[16:10:59]

devinheitmueller:

(USB IR receive, firewire for channel change)

[16:11:35]

devinheitmueller:

I'm probably going to have to become intimately familiar with the Linux zilog support soon, so was just curious.

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iamlindoro:

I see now why you're looking for j-rod :)

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devinheitmueller:

yeah, figured he was a good first guy to talk to.

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iamlindoro:

zilog just seems... icky

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devinheitmueller:

It isn't pleasant, but it's what I've got to work with.

[16:12:37]

iamlindoro:

I imagine it's used because it's cheap? The fixed IR code sets is just such a bummer

[16:12:53]

devinheitmueller:

I cannot really go into the rationale unfortunately.

[16:12:57]

iamlindoro:

Had to buy extra hardware for a Myth consulting gig a few months ago because zilog wouldn't do a Pace DTA

[16:13:01]

iamlindoro:

no worries

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devinheitmueller:

You aren't the first to complain about the new DTAs.

[16:13:39]

iamlindoro:

yeah, I am sure you've heard it all before, don't mean to add to the complaints :)

[16:13:45]

devinheitmueller:

No, it's all good.

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wagnerrp:

anyone looked into cracking those open to see if there is a video signal available before the modulator?

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iamlindoro:

Heh, well I've cracked it open, but didn't do anything like that: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mounting_the_HD-PVR_Internally

[16:14:53]

wagnerrp:

no, the DTA

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: uh, yeah. I've certainly seen the insides of an HD-PVR. ;-)

[16:15:05]

wagnerrp:

im probably going to get several of those in the near future

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wagnerrp:

and im not too keen on recording off RF

[16:15:25]

devinheitmueller:

Most of the DTAs are SOC, so they've buried the demod into the silicon.

[16:15:39]

iamlindoro:

oh... someone likely has, but I imagine most people are too scared since they have to return it to the cable co and there's likely some sort of tamper tape

[16:15:48]

wagnerrp:

no, the modulator

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wagnerrp:

they input RF and output RF dont they?

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iamlindoro:

yes, RF on both sides

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wagnerrp:

i thought people said they didnt have any standard video outputs

[16:16:46]

iamlindoro:

That is true in the case of the DCX50 (Pace)

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wagnerrp:

some cable employee came door-to-door months ago, warning us "the government was forcing them to stop transmitting analog... in august"

[16:17:34]

wagnerrp:

and were here

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devinheitmueller:

lord.

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wagnerrp:

sadly i wasnt the one who talked to the guy

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wagnerrp:

that would have been amusing

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tgm4883:

was tmdb.py and ttvdb.py removed from trunk?

[16:23:38]

wagnerrp:

nope, just moved

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tgm4883:

ah

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tgm4883:

no wonder I can't find it

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tgm4883:

where was it moved to?

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iamlindoro:

$sharedir/mythtv/metadata/*

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tgm4883:

ah

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tgm4883:

err, where is it in svn then?

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iamlindoro:

mythtv/programs/scripts/metadata

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tgm4883:

apparently mythbuntu packages for trunk don't have them

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tgm4883:

awesome

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tgm4883:

i must suck at searching trac :)

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iamlindoro:

no worries

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phil___:

hm could anyone give me a rough picture what all the encoding and transcoding settings are good for?

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phil___:

i looked at the wiki but all i can see there i can also see directly in myth, but not what it is about

[16:27:46]

phil___:

or something like a use case

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wagnerrp:

phil___: what are you recording from?

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phil___:

strictly tv, analog

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wagnerrp:

card?

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phil___:

very old wintv go

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phil___:

so no hardware encoding

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wagnerrp:

i presume youve got a decent backend, so just use mpeg4, and 2–3mbps

[16:30:09]

wagnerrp:

you can set different profiles for different levels of quality on different content

[16:30:18]

wagnerrp:

but unless youre hurting for disk space, theres no real point to it

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phil___:

is the software encoder the piece of software to record the tv signal to hdd first, which is also the thing i see when i'm doing LiveTV?

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wagnerrp:

yes, your tuner is a 'framegrabber', meaning mythtv is pulling raw frames and PCM audio out of the card

[16:31:13]

wagnerrp:

and has to encode them on-the-fly

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wagnerrp:

and livetv is just a recording with a bit of glue for control

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phil___:

so setting the quality there has an impact on the onthefly recordings and the livetv quality i directly see

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wagnerrp:

correct

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phil___:

because, as far as i can see everything is recorded

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phil___:

k

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wagnerrp:

yes, mythtv records and stores everything, even if you are just watching it 'live'

[16:33:12]

phil___:

then lowering this to match the quite shitty video from the card would save some disk space without loss of quality

[16:33:12]

wagnerrp:

mythtv is designed to be network transparent, meaning youve got one or more frontends scattered across your network

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wagnerrp:

cant very well be pumping 25MBps video across the network

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phil___:

i see

[16:33:54]

wagnerrp:

and please watch the language in this channel

[16:34:14]

phil___:

ups sorry

[16:35:22]

phil___:

actually i wouldnt say that in my native language but us-natives at university tend to be more loose upon language

[16:35:24]

phil___:

whatever

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phil___:

and the transcode process is then the aftermath for recordings to cut commercials and further compression if wanted

[16:36:17]

wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: actually, does V4L provide RGB or YUV frames?

[16:36:27]

wagnerrp:

correct

[16:36:33]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: almost all cards provide YUV.

[16:36:56]

devinheitmueller:

There is support for RGB, primarily used by webcams, but tv tuners almost never have support for it.

[16:37:08]

wagnerrp:

so it would only be ~17MBps for video plus audio then

[16:37:29]

devinheitmueller:

whatever 720*480*2*30 ends up being.

[16:38:27]

wagnerrp:

anyway, far too much to achieve back when mythtv was first written and 10/100 network was the norm

[16:39:05]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, that's quite a bit of IO to push across a network.

[16:39:36]

devinheitmueller:

People have enough problems reliably pushing ATSC/ClearQAM MPEG streams across a network.

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Beirdo:

devinheitmueller: I need to talk to mkrufky again :)

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devinheitmueller:

Beirdo: did you have a specific problem?

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phil___:

should 1.3 gigs for a 30 minute analog livetv session tell me that i use a very good encoding for a poor video?

[16:40:25]

Beirdo:

my HDPVR has an oddity in the H.264 for 1080i. It's reporting the framerate in the headers as about 25M fps

[16:40:46]

Beirdo:

the numerator and denominator are completely wrong. They are right for 720p, 480p

[16:40:56]

Beirdo:

and I think 480i too (IIRC)

[16:40:57]

wagnerrp:

well, people have problems reliably pushing ATSC/ClearQAM across /wireless/ networks

[16:41:24]

wagnerrp:

phil___: seems a bit high for 30 minutes

[16:41:25]

devinheitmueller:

Beirdo: when you say headers, do you mean in the H.264 stream? Or are you referring to the v4l API?

[16:41:27]

Beirdo:

now this maybe is fixed already in a newer firmware, I dunno

[16:41:30]

phil___:

ah, and another thing which would be a killer app for myth imho

[16:41:34]

Beirdo:

in the H.264 stream itself

[16:41:38]

devinheitmueller:

interesting.

[16:41:50]

wagnerrp:

i would expect closer to 500MB

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Beirdo:

as myth is now setup to pull that info FROM the streams (I committed it what? last week?)

[16:42:15]

devinheitmueller:

Bear in mind the encoder bitrate is configurable.

[16:42:23]

phil___:

i researched a lot for wireless connection options to the projector

[16:42:29]

Beirdo:

yes, but this isn't bitrate, this is framerate

[16:42:41]

phil___:

using it as a monitor wirelessly is expensive

[16:42:42]

wagnerrp:

the default bitrate of 2200 for the mpeg2 encoder should be around 1GB/hr

[16:42:58]

Beirdo:

I can dig out where, and in what H.264 frame header, what bits

[16:42:59]

phil___:

then i came across those media streaming boxes

[16:43:09]

wagnerrp:

slingbox?

[16:43:18]

phil___:

well, this one too

[16:43:23]

phil___:

and i thought, well

[16:43:31]

phil___:

they cost 200 – 300 bucks less

[16:43:40]

wagnerrp:

so... nothing

[16:43:40]

phil___:

can display quite a lot

[16:43:50]

wagnerrp:

a mythtv frontend is only going to cost 200–300 bucks

[16:43:54]

phil___:

but are not able to expose themself as a monitor

[16:44:16]

Beirdo:

devinheitmueller: anyways, you can mention it to him, if you think of it. He has my facebook, etc, I just haven't had time to remember to talk to him about it :0

[16:44:22]

phil___:

so a low cost option to have the projector for presentations would definitely be to stream the desktop to it

[16:44:31]

devinheitmueller:

Beirdo: sure.

[16:44:41]

phil___:

but i couldn't find anything about it

[16:44:45]

Beirdo:

other than that... love the HDPVR :)

[16:44:47]

Beirdo:

heh

[16:44:51]

devinheitmueller:

:-)

[16:44:51]

wagnerrp:

phil___: you are looking for place shifting... a slingbox

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Beirdo:

I simply told the code that if the reported frame rate is ridiculous, assume for now that it's 29.97

[16:45:24]

wagnerrp:

normally only necessary if youre running over a limited bandwidth network, like the internet

[16:45:50]

wagnerrp:

for an installed system, by far the cheapest option is just to run the necessary cables

[16:46:29]

phil___:

i don't want to have 15 meters of cables running across the wall

[16:46:36]

wagnerrp:

you run it in the wall

[16:46:48]

wagnerrp:

or through the attic

[16:46:50]

wagnerrp:

or basement

[16:46:55]

Beirdo:

devinheitmueller: seems to be the VUI header? same one that the aspect ratio info is in.

[16:47:12]

wagnerrp:

or you get some sort of camouflaging raceway or hollowed out molding

[16:47:18]

phil___:

hm the slingbox transfers tv to pc over net

[16:47:26]

phil___:

i'd need it the other way around

[16:47:36]

wagnerrp:

the slingbox transfers video input to another slingbox over the net

[16:47:40]

phil___:

i want to have the desktop streamed to the projector

[16:47:42]

wagnerrp:

internet rather

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wagnerrp:

and looks like crap

[16:47:56]

wagnerrp:

because its designed for low bandwidth internet

[16:48:31]

devinheitmueller:

Beirdo: interesting. I'll mention it to mkrufky when I see him on Monday.

[16:48:52]

devinheitmueller:

Does it happen with all channels that do 1080i? Or is it something specific about some particular channel?

[16:49:01]

Beirdo:

seems to be every channel

[16:49:16]

Beirdo:

so it's something the encoder's putting in there, I'd imagine

[16:49:54]

Beirdo:

well, I guess it has to be, figuring the inputs are analog ;)

[16:50:08]

Beirdo:

(component, but analog)

[16:50:14]

devinheitmueller:

probably. It could be something unusual about the signal though confusing the hd-pvr

[16:50:28]

devinheitmueller:

(with regards to the detected frame rate)

[16:50:49]

Beirdo:

yeah, could be, but not sure why it would get the frame size, etc right, but not the frame rate, but I don't know the internals at all

[16:51:31]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, I have minimal knowledge of the internal design of that particular product.

[16:52:10]

Beirdo:

yeah, and you probably have a better idea than the rest of us, even if nearly no knowledge :)

[16:53:18]

Beirdo:

anyways, I'm available for whatever testing may be needed later... as long as it doesn't brick the HDPVR.. heh

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devinheitmueller:

heh.

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Beirdo:

abqjp: you run trunk, right?

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Beirdo:

newer than [25783] in particular?

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: to be able to watch mythtv recordings over the internet would one just setup user jobs to convert videos?

[17:11:19]

kormoc:

Shadow__X, or use the flash player in mythweb

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wagnerrp:

or simply have sufficient bandwidth to VPN in and run a frontend

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Shadow__X:

right forgot about flash player and i have been wanting to setup a vpn in so that sounds good too

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Shadow__X:

i want to remotely ssh into my backend. Other than not allowing root to login and knowing that i should use keys to login what else should i do

[17:21:18]

wagnerrp:

either use strong passwords, or disallow entirely

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wagnerrp:

if you leave ssh on port 22, you /will/ be subject to daily brute force attacks

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kormoc:

http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/

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phil___:

can enabling 2 threads for encoding cause serious async audio/video?

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wagnerrp:

phil___: we dont support encoding on any formats that might use multiple threads

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: maybe not quite daily, but it sure feels like it :)

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: i was thinking of keeping it port 22 internally then just opening a different port for outside access would that be just as good?

[17:23:28]

wagnerrp:

changing ports like that may cause some trouble and confusion

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: id say multiple times daily

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phil___:

wagnerrp: changed couple of settings now i've got constantly growing async -.-

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kormoc:

phil___, so change them back one at a time until you find which one caused it

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Beirdo:

I've had some quiet days :)

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wagnerrp:

the 20th was a bad day

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wagnerrp:

my logs rolled over three times

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, you should really look into denyhosts

[17:25:11]

Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: what do you mean trouble and confusion? you just think its better to simple change it on the server and forward the same port out the router?

[17:25:15]

wagnerrp:

i really should

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: i mean 'may'... i dont know what all is going on

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Shadow__X:

yeah i gotcha

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wagnerrp:

there may be certain things like port forwarding that expect the port is what you said it was

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wagnerrp:

so if you redirect it elsewhere, it 'may' cause problems

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Shadow__X:

right i gotcha thanks

[17:26:35]

Shadow__X:

and thanks kormoc i am looking into denyhosts

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wagnerrp:

certain things dont like address redirection at all

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wagnerrp:

a lot more dont like port redirection

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wagnerrp:

so if you do that, and start hitting weird spurious issues, its the first thing you should look into

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Shadow__X:

makes sense, thanks

[17:27:59]

wagnerrp:

45 minutes and tens of thousands of hits against root

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kormoc:

I NAT ssh all the time and have no issues but as always YMMV

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wagnerrp:

im honestly surprised its default behavior in Linux to even allow root SSH logins

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Beirdo:

"in Linux"?

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kormoc:

No red rider bb gun for you, you'll shoot your eye out kid

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Beirdo:

which Linux are you speaking of? that's completely up to the distro, and most lock that out

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wagnerrp:

suse and gentoo both allowed root login by default

[17:30:21]

wagnerrp:

of course ubuntu doesnt even have a root account, so...

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Beirdo:

and debian, ubuntu and Fedora don't... AFAIK

[17:30:36]

Beirdo:

yes it does

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wagnerrp:

i thought ubuntu's had no password

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Beirdo:

no FUD please :)

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wagnerrp:

so you couldnt log into it even locally

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Beirdo:

it's not allowed to login, but it exists :)

[17:31:06]

wagnerrp:

well sure

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kormoc:

well, it's more that upstream SSH allowed root logins by default and everyone uses those defaults

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Beirdo:

and it can login easily enough by sudo passwd root

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wagnerrp:

semantics

[17:31:36]

Beirdo:

yeah, I guess :)

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: i had a really nasty brute force attack a couple years ago

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wagnerrp:

some alphabetical attack spanning several months

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wagnerrp:

but there were only ever 2–3 hits on any one IP address

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Beirdo:

they musta thought you were worth it

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kormoc:

nah

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kormoc:

it's a bot net, just randomly attempting to add more bots to the net

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: but it was coordinated, in alphabetical order

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wagnerrp:

the hosts were communicating with each other

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kormoc:

Yeah, there's one known botnet software that does that

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Shadow__X:

and your on port 22?

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kormoc:

(at least one)

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Beirdo:

oooh, my 4-way splitter/amp and the velcro strips await me

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kormoc:

in texas

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Shadow__X:

if you get hammered so much on port 22 why not switch?

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Beirdo:

hehe, no, they rerouted.

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kormoc:

cause if they really want to get you, they'll just scan the ports and figure out the new one?

[17:35:36]

wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: because in over half a decade of sitting there, it has never once been breached

[17:35:43]

Beirdo:

Out for delivery in Dallas... then Arrived in Redmond, WA

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kormoc:

Security though obscurity is no security

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wagnerrp:

so long as youve got decent passwords, its not a problem

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wagnerrp:

they generally only try a handful of passwords per account

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wagnerrp:

theyre looking for defaults, and common ones

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Beirdo:

security through obscurity is at best a temporary reprieve

[17:36:26]

devinheitmueller:

... as long as there isn't a root vulnerability in the openssh server.... ;-)

[17:36:48]

wagnerrp:

or they hit accounts like 'root' or 'admin' hard

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wagnerrp:

if they cant login at all, theres no problem

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Shadow__X:

yes i know about security through obscurity isnt true security but layered security is

[17:37:19]

wagnerrp:

basically, its a hassle because it means i have to log in through a separate port

[17:37:24]

Shadow__X:

right

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Shadow__X:

wouldnt disabling passwords and using keys help prevent those login attempts?

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, I've had bots attempt to bruteforce keys in the past

[17:38:35]

wagnerrp:

correct, using keys tends to be a lot more secure

[17:38:44]

wagnerrp:

but then you have to carry your keys around with you

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Shadow__X:

oh ok hmm so thats why you recommend denyhost soo much

[17:39:05]

Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: right that is more of a hassle than a password

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: this runs off hosts.deny, not the firewall?

[17:39:26]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, correct

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wagnerrp:

fantastic, ive seen a couple of these in the past but none of them would work well since my firewall is on a separate box

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Beirdo:

I wish RSA SecurID tokens were affordable for home use :)

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jams:

i wish 4 four RSA tokens could be synced up so I only need one

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Beirdo:

three-factor authentication... mmmmm

[17:41:16]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: only the better part of a million dollars

[17:41:19]

Beirdo:

random number + pin + password

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kormoc:

jams, yeech!

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Beirdo:

jams: hehe, that sucks

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jams:

kormoc- yep. I have tape on the back of each one saying what it's for

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Beirdo:

ooh, security!

[17:42:09]

Beirdo:

you put the PIN on there too?. :)

[17:42:12]

wagnerrp:

of course thats for the per-10k user price

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jams:

that i did not do

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Beirdo:

whew

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Beirdo:

:)

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jams:

thats on the post-it note

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wagnerrp:

you think these are all *nix machines taking part in these attacks?

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wagnerrp:

or do windows botnets come with ssh clients now?

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kormoc:

Mostly nix

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Beirdo:

I'm just glad script kiddies haven't bothered with IPv6 yet :)

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wagnerrp:

ipv6 is hard, not enough machines using it to attack

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Beirdo:

hahah

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Beirdo:

so you think

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

and you would think those that were using it would be fairly intelligent users

[17:53:19]

Beirdo:

yah, one would hope

[17:53:20]

wagnerrp:

of course the people that come in here with IPv6 hosts prove that theory wrong

[17:53:25]

Beirdo:

HEY!

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wagnerrp:

im not talking about you

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Beirdo:

!trout wagnerrp

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** MythLogBot slaps wagnerrp with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

OK

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Beirdo:

stuarta then?

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wagnerrp:

im just saying there are a surprising number of people in here completely oblivious to things, and yet they have an ipv6 host

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

there are a few to be sure

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wagnerrp:

people in here asking for help, and dont even grasp simple concepts about networking

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wagnerrp:

god knows how they managed onto a tunnel broker

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Beirdo:

yeah, should contact the person who runs their machine and get their account revoked for retardedness

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wagnerrp:

gah...

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Beirdo:

oh oh

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp's losin it

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Beirdo:

jobqueue needs a slight boot to the head

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wagnerrp:

now the PlugMyth guy is talking about how hes saving 2kW/day, and his powerco charges $0.12 per kW/h

[18:08:01]

wagnerrp:

if you cant get units straight, you dont know what youre talking about

[18:08:14]

wagnerrp:

and you should not be giving advice about power savings

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Beirdo:

I killed a commflag yesterday... started it again today... the new job is sitting queued, and the failed job restarted

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Beirdo:

might be nice to coalesce them into one job ;)

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wagnerrp:

you mean if you rerun a job, use the old id rather than making a new one?

[18:09:23]

Beirdo:

that's what it IS doing

[18:09:26]

wagnerrp:

or its broken that theyre not both trying to run

[18:09:30]

wagnerrp:

s/not/now/

[18:09:33]

Beirdo:

they are both in the queue, and the old one is rerunning

[18:09:38]

wagnerrp:

funky

[18:09:41]

Beirdo:

yeah

[18:09:41]

wagnerrp:

that shouldnt happen

[18:09:46]

wagnerrp:

failed should stay failed

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Beirdo:

it's probably easy to fix

[18:09:59]

Beirdo:

if you restart, it should maybe delete the failed one

[18:10:08]

Beirdo:

not restart it and let the other one wait

[18:10:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

ugh... I think one of my HD-PVR's has 'gone south'... it's not showing up at all, even after a power-cycle by front button, or a hard-reset by un-plugging the power...

[18:10:40]

Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A: oh oh.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Yeah, weird thing is that it happened about the same time my inet/tv was shut off since my wife doesn't like to pay bills on time... [but that's a whole other topic...]... but I'm convinced it's complete coincidental.

[18:11:43]

at0m:

tried control-D ?

[18:11:46]

Beirdo:

ick

[18:12:03]

wagnerrp:

hehe

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Beirdo:

does the power light come on?

[18:12:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

I tried re-booting my backend, thinking perhaps it was a linux issue, but no fix...

[18:12:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yep.

[18:12:22]

Beirdo:

maybe try a different USB port?

[18:12:31]

wagnerrp:

'if you have an air conditioner, electric heat, or do any cooking, your mythtv system is probably an insignificant percentage of your total power bill'

[18:12:33]

Beirdo:

maybe a USB port bit it

[18:12:35]

wagnerrp:

someone speaks some sense

[18:12:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

But it's not seen at all via USB. ^ I'll try that when I get home.

[18:13:20]

wagnerrp:

ive got some pretty beefy machines running 24/7

[18:13:21]

Beirdo:

be cheaper to fix than getting a new HDPVR anyways :)

[18:13:29]

Beirdo:

yeah, really.

[18:13:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Humm.. I wonder if it is something with USB – my CrystalFontz LCD didn't recover on re-boot either... humm...

[18:13:34]

wagnerrp:

but if i really wanted to make a dent in my utility bill, i would stop heating my pool

[18:13:39]

Beirdo:

the clothes dryer's a MUCH bigger draw

[18:13:50]

wagnerrp:

those spring and fall months are killer

[18:14:00]

at0m:

J-e-f-f-A: "is it still under warranty? return it"

[18:14:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: or get a newer refrigerator/freezer that uses less $$$

[18:14:02]

** at0m ducks **

[18:14:03]

Beirdo:

hang your laundry in the garage to try (in the summer)

[18:14:18]

Beirdo:

s/try/dry/

[18:14:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

at0m: Yeah, it should be, I've only had it for about 3 months...

[18:14:24]

at0m:

ew

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Beirdo:

I would suspect your USB ports first to be sure :)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: when its humid in the summer, they wont dry

[18:14:52]

Beirdo:

I've had mine gack before

[18:14:58]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: sure they will

[18:15:12]

Beirdo:

I dried our laundry in PR that way. wind is the key

[18:15:13]

at0m:

or fsck waiting for a disk that's no longer hooked up

[18:15:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Yeah, I'll try swapping the two HD-PVRs when i get home, if the other one comes alive, i'll know it's a USB controller issue.

[18:15:31]

wagnerrp:

so you mean hang outside, where there's wind

[18:15:44]

Beirdo:

no, i mean hang in the garage, and make wind :)

[18:15:44]

kormoc:

that's what I've been doing wrong

[18:15:56]

kormoc:

I've been hanging them in the closet

[18:15:59]

Beirdo:

heheh

[18:16:00]

wagnerrp:

ah, yeah... fan could work

[18:16:04]

** J-e-f-f-A laughs. **

[18:16:06]

kormoc:

and wondering why I have so much water damage

[18:16:21]

Beirdo:

the garage helps to keep the afternoon rain off your nearly dry sheets :)

[18:16:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: if I had a garage, the last thing I'd have in it is Laundry... ;-)

[18:17:05]

Beirdo:

but yeah, if you are worried about power consumption... clothes dryer, electric stove.. AC...

[18:17:13]

Beirdo:

those are the big three

[18:17:21]

Beirdo:

water heater #4

[18:17:42]

Beirdo:

electricity in PR was closer to $0.30/kWh

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Beirdo:

we learned where to cut back

[18:18:04]

Beirdo:

and my computers stayed on, thank you very much :)

[18:18:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: hehehehe... ;-)

[18:18:44]

Beirdo:

unfortunately, that meant the very common power issues fried each and every box I had

[18:18:51]

Beirdo:

but ah well.

[18:19:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: No UPS? Or did the power issues last even longer than the ups ran?

[18:19:45]

Beirdo:

I had UPS.

[18:19:51]

Beirdo:

it was more a power filtering issue

[18:19:58]

Beirdo:

and LONG power failures

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Beirdo:

and when you are depending on fans to keep you from melting... those sucked

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Ah... I had one of those "Voltage Regulating' UPS's before... man that thing was clicking and beeping often during the summer...

[18:20:27]

wagnerrp:

and someone on mythtvtalk, looking for a SD alternative, because $20/yr is too much

[18:20:40]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: hehe.

[18:20:47]

Beirdo:

whining will never cease

[18:20:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: tell them to buy winders instead...

[18:21:12]

wagnerrp:

?

[18:21:16]

Beirdo:

if $20/yr is too much, you can't afford to maintain a mythbox anyways

[18:21:39]

Beirdo:

just wait until a drive dies

[18:21:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: If SD is too expensive for them, tell them to buy windows to get the data for 'free'... ;-)

[18:22:27]

Beirdo:

or just tell them to shut their pie-hole ;0

[18:22:28]

wagnerrp:

and apparently hes a cable subscriber, because hes looking for a HD capture card

[18:22:51]

Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, the software you speak of violates the windows license and tribune's

[18:23:50]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: microsoft licenses tribune's data?

[18:23:51]

Beirdo:

kormoc: not if they are running MCE under Windows :)

[18:24:05]

kormoc:

Beirdo, if they're using it for myth listings....

[18:24:10]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, aye, for MCE

[18:24:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: ^ yeah, that's what I meant, not the 'other' one that's not legal technically.

[18:24:17]

wagnerrp:

i knew they had to get it somewhere, didnt know where

[18:24:20]

Beirdo:

well, yeah, but I'd just tell them to use MCE

[18:24:50]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, yeah, it's the same data SD provices

[18:24:55]

kormoc:

*provides

[18:26:19]

Beirdo:

SD costs less than my coffee addiction... by a couple orders of magnitude, I'd bet

[18:26:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Believe me, I'm definitely a SD supporter, I signed up right at the beginning. ;-)

[18:26:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Even for me, and I only get coffee a couple of times a week... ;-)

[18:27:10]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: of course with zap2it going down, its not like you had a choice

[18:27:33]

wagnerrp:

heres one, if i cared about power consumption, i would have left that 1.5HP exhaust fan stay turned off

[18:27:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: True, but it's still well worth it. ;-)

[18:27:59]

Beirdo:

hehe

[18:28:17]

Beirdo:

mmmm, exhaust fan

[18:28:39]

wagnerrp:

wait, what? you mean that thing is actually pulling over a kilowatt?

[18:28:44]

Beirdo:

just put another windmill in your yard and shutty

[18:28:45]

Beirdo:

:)

[18:28:46]

wagnerrp:

yes... thats what 1.5HP means...

[18:29:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, that's probably a huge contributor to my $250 electric bills the last couple of months... it's been so hot in the northeast (until this week!), we've needed it!!!

[18:29:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

(although Mine isn't 1.5HP, but I'm sure it's pulling at least 300W)

[18:30:00]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i have no idea how much power the thing actually pulls

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wagnerrp:

cant find a plate on it either

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Mine's not hard-wired, so I could hook up the kill-o-watt if I got up in the attic... (draws air through the house...)

[18:33:36]

wagnerrp:

no, mine is hardwired, with a timer and power plate on the wall

[18:34:13]

wagnerrp:

if i had to guess, 'low' was 100–200W, 'high' was >1kW

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: yeah, mine is plugged-in, and controlled with an X10 module. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: it's only been in the low 60's this week in New England – is it about the same where you are?

[18:37:03]

wagnerrp:

85F currently, with moderate humidity

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to the mid-90s and high humidity it has been all summer

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wagnerrp:

should be down in the 70s tomorrow

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

I moved in in the end of April... no electricity bill yet

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wagnerrp:

oh?

[18:37:52]

Beirdo:

just water/sewer/trash/gas

[18:38:09]

wagnerrp:

paid quarterly?

[18:38:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: wow... It's been in the 80's and 90's most of the summer up here... just had a drastic change this week...

[18:38:27]

Beirdo:

electricity's supposed to be every 2 months apparently

[18:38:33]

Beirdo:

they are gonna check into it.

[18:38:34]

Beirdo:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Humm.. strange.

[18:38:52]

Beirdo:

the other utilities come to $20/month. ooooh

[18:39:57]

Beirdo:

but still, yeah.. rather surprising.

[18:40:09]

Beirdo:

that first bill will doubtless be sucky :)

[18:42:02]

Beirdo:

but no AC, so could always be worse

[18:42:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Has it been a warm summer up there too?

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Beirdo:

at times

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Beirdo:

hit high 90s a couple weekends back

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Yeah, it's been usually warm up here... many days were in the high 90's with high humidity too... :-(

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wagnerrp:

what is the purpose of the 'startchan' field in `cardinput`?

[18:45:53]

Beirdo:

isn't that what it tunes to on startup of the backend?

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wagnerrp:

thats what it tunes to on startup of livetv

[18:46:11]

Beirdo:

I guess that would make sense for DVB uses where you need to tune to something to get EIT

[18:46:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

... and when starting LiveTV.

[18:46:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

(both I think)

[18:46:29]

wagnerrp:

for recordings, it doesnt do anything until it tunes the actual channel and starts recording

[18:46:39]

Beirdo:

probably both

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wagnerrp:

doesnt make sense for EIT, because its going to trawl each transport

[18:46:54]

Beirdo:

when you startup the backend, it definitely tuens

[18:46:56]

wagnerrp:

it doesnt care about channels

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Beirdo:

tunes

[18:47:01]

wagnerrp:

does it?

[18:47:04]

Beirdo:

yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yep.

[18:47:16]

Beirdo:

I see it hitting each of my receivers in turn via IR

[18:47:30]

wagnerrp:

ive had my tuner get caught in circumstances where the first channel was not tunable

[18:47:38]

wagnerrp:

livetv fails, but the backend otherwise runs just fine

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Beirdo:

hmm.

[18:48:14]

Beirdo:

well, not sure what it is tuning to on startup, but it does tune :)

[18:48:17]

wagnerrp:

clearly if the backend needed to set it to something, it could just as well pull the first channel out of the source

[18:48:21]

Beirdo:

it may be from another table

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wagnerrp:

i dont see why that is a global per-input setting

[18:48:41]

wagnerrp:

rather than a per-frontend setting

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Beirdo:

umm

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Beirdo:

because tuning isn't per-frontend?

[18:49:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

It uses the same setting – since if you use 'livetv' to test things, then bounce the backend, it goes back to that channel upon startup.

[18:49:08]

wagnerrp:

livetv is per-frontend

[18:49:14]

Beirdo:

now if it's livetv-only... then it makes sense to be per-frontend

[18:49:18]

wagnerrp:

and the backend shouldnt care what the tuner is set to

[18:49:34]

wagnerrp:

the capture card itself might, if youre using an external tuner

[18:49:37]

Beirdo:

well, there's bound to be a reason behind it :)

[18:49:38]

wagnerrp:

but thats 'tunechan'

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: was there ever a final list of settings to change/remove from that mailing list thread?

[18:51:18]

wagnerrp:

if not, might be a good idea to put it somewhere, for use with the setup rewrite

[18:51:19]

iamlindoro:

Nothing of value ever came out of that thread-- for my money, nuke 'em all

[18:51:29]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: be very careful if you wanna add that one

[18:51:45]

Beirdo:

it may break setups on the other side of the world that we don't understand :)

[18:51:57]

wagnerrp:

thats why im asking

[18:52:01]

wagnerrp:

i personally dont see a use to it

[18:52:08]

wagnerrp:

but its always tripping people up

[18:52:18]

wagnerrp:

they add a tuner, bind the source, scan for channels

[18:52:24]

wagnerrp:

and forget to go back and set the default channel

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wagnerrp:

so livetv doesnt work

[18:52:29]

Beirdo:

you can't forget

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Beirdo:

setup won't let you forget

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wagnerrp:

and they come in here complaining without checking the backend logs

[18:52:57]

wagnerrp:

which clearly state... 'tilt, there is no start channel'

[18:53:17]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: if you use the scan button in the input setup, it will do so automatically

[18:53:26]

wagnerrp:

if you scan through the channel editor, it will not

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Beirdo:

gah. stupid software :)

[18:53:47]

Beirdo:

hehe

[18:53:57]

wagnerrp:

or if they go through later and delete the starting channel in the channel editor

[18:54:00]

wagnerrp:

that can cause the same problem

[18:54:58]

Beirdo:

now THAT I have done

[18:55:09]

Beirdo:

grumble grumble

[18:55:17]

wagnerrp:

the only use i could see for it is flipping back and forth between two inputs

[18:55:40]

Beirdo:

well, go make a nice email, maybe people will respond :)

[18:55:55]

Beirdo:

I will grant you, it's confusing

[18:56:23]

Beirdo:

if it's invalid or blank, it should use the first channel in the lineup (my thoughts)

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Beirdo:

and storing the last channel used and default to that... sure

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Beirdo:

OK, I'm *THIS* close to turning off logo detection

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wagnerrp:

getting logos in ads?

[19:02:56]

wagnerrp:

or does that not work well with the speedup?

[19:03:10]

Beirdo:

the reason I killed that commflag last night was because Covert Affairs had been searching for logo for 2h

[19:03:29]

Beirdo:

the speedup and the ffmpeg resync are not happy together, it seems

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Beirdo:

at least for H.264

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Beirdo:

it's been 90min now, and it STILL says "Searching for logo"

[19:04:36]

Beirdo:

on a 1080i H.264 1h recording

[19:05:11]

Beirdo:

I wasn't really convinced that the logo search got any speedup attention anyways

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: Hmm, I had a 7–7:30 recording, 30 minutes, commflag ended at 8:13 with four breaks (correctly)

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iamlindoro:

(H.264, HD-PVR)

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Beirdo:

what resolution?

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iamlindoro:

1080i

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Beirdo:

this is with the speedup and the resync?

[19:06:17]

Beirdo:

hmmm

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iamlindoro:

not using the speedups, though

[19:06:23]

iamlindoro:

yes to resync

[19:06:23]

Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

OK.

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iamlindoro:

s/speedups/slowdowns/ ;)

[19:06:39]

Beirdo:

you got some decent CPU there

[19:06:49]

iamlindoro:

yep

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Beirdo:

seems to be slowdown after the resync, yeah, I don't get it

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Beirdo:

I'm gonna go revisit what danielk put in, and see if I can't get it to speed up again

[19:07:18]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:07:35]

Beirdo:

one step forward... two back.

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Beirdo:

flippin computers :)

[19:08:34]

Beirdo:

yeah, my mythcommflag has used 58:41:00 CPU time and increasing...

[19:08:40]

Beirdo:

and is still searching for logo

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Beirdo:

there's gotta be something it doesn't like about THAT file

[19:09:17]

Beirdo:

unless it's actually obeying the stream's FPS :)

[19:09:20]

Beirdo:

oooh

[19:09:22]

totalanni:

oh god

[19:09:24]

totalanni:

u 2 again

[19:09:30]

totalanni:

whats the best usb capture card?

[19:09:36]

totalanni:

that does non-digi cable?

[19:09:54]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: could you check in recordedmarkup for that 1080i recording, see if there's a type 32, and what the value is?

[19:09:56]

wagnerrp:

PVR-USB2

[19:10:54]

Beirdo:

30/31 should be the resolution, 32 the framerate * 1000 (using relatively recent trunk)

[19:12:14]

totalanni:

wagnerrp: does it handle qam?

[19:12:22]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: I know, I wrote the resolution code :)

[19:12:28]

wagnerrp:

no, you asked for one that didnt do digital cable

[19:12:34]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: mark at frame 1, type 32, data 2535078833

[19:12:37]

totalanni:

kk

[19:12:38]

Beirdo:

ah, you did? ;) Cool.

[19:12:44]

totalanni:

that one is nice, hardware encoding

[19:12:49]

wagnerrp:

if you want analog and digital, HVR-1950

[19:12:50]

Beirdo:

yeah, so you're getting the same bogus number as I am

[19:13:05]

Beirdo:

whereas 720p and 480i/p seemed to work fine

[19:13:28]

Beirdo:

25.35million FPS. OK then

[19:13:46]

Beirdo:

thanks.

[19:14:29]

totalanni:

wow

[19:14:33]

totalanni:

thanks wagnerrp

[19:14:41]

totalanni:

that 1950 looks like a winnder

[19:14:45]

totalanni:

winner*

[19:14:54]

wagnerrp:

albeit an expensive one

[19:15:07]

totalanni:

yea, but will let me virtualize my backend

[19:15:27]

Beirdo:

heh. stubborn users, we have.

[19:15:29]

iamlindoro:

[19:15:40]

totalanni:

:-D

[19:15:51]

iamlindoro:

How can they blame us for Myth working poorly when they are so determined to force it to do so?

[19:16:16]

totalanni:

if its that bad

[19:16:21]

totalanni:

ill build a dedi backend

[19:16:27]

iamlindoro:

yes, you definitely should

[19:16:33]

totalanni:

but im running 2vms on a esxi server with 8gigs ram

[19:16:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

^^ there ya go.

[19:16:44]

wagnerrp:

virtualization is that bad, an entire industry is wrong and im right... :)

[19:16:47]

Beirdo:

oh, you can fight with it, but I'd strongly suggest a dedicated machine

[19:16:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

(building a dedicated backend)

[19:16:58]

totalanni:

tbh

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totalanni:

it will prob turn out that instead of a backend and a frontend

[19:17:14]

totalanni:

i just use the dedi to do both

[19:17:24]

Beirdo:

that's fairly common

[19:17:28]

totalanni:

but im trying to learn virtualization techniques and whatnot

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totalanni:

so its something for me to play with

[19:17:38]

Beirdo:

OMG, it just finished logo search

[19:17:42]

iamlindoro:

Heh: MythTV Current Release:

[19:17:43]

iamlindoro:

MythTV 0.21 (8 March 2008)

[19:17:43]

wagnerrp:

if you really want, you can run a NAS under a VM

[19:17:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

don't count on getting much clear QM

[19:17:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

QAM

[19:17:48]

iamlindoro:

Someone should talk to the mythtvtalk guys

[19:17:50]

wagnerrp:

and then just run your fe/be combo diskless

[19:17:57]

Beirdo:

going at 14fps now

[19:17:57]

totalanni:

wagnerrp thats what 1 of my VMS are

[19:17:59]

phil____:

help -.-

[19:18:01]

totalanni:

an openfiler box

[19:18:10]

totalanni:

and yes

[19:18:15]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, weve told him

[19:18:26]

totalanni:

i plan on it writing to the NAS box

[19:18:35]

wagnerrp:

apparently hes on some tiny cable provider that doesnt even show up on SD's lineups

[19:18:36]

phil____:

i've tried to undo my configuration changes for 2 hours now – no success

[19:18:41]

wagnerrp:

(silicondust's)

[19:18:57]

phil____:

somehow i configured a nasty 2 sec delay between audio and video on liveTV

[19:19:03]

totalanni:

yae

[19:19:11]

wagnerrp:

framegrabber card?

[19:19:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: I get like 40 channels in clear QAM, but it turns out about 5 are the local network channels, the other 35 are the 'government' channels for the rest of the state... (junk imho)

[19:19:25]

totalanni:

not including the music channels i get on my hd tv

[19:19:29]

totalanni:

i have like a total of 10

[19:19:39]

totalanni:

with music channels, i have like 50

[19:19:47]

wagnerrp:

phil____: what tuner card are you using?

[19:19:48]

phil____:

wagnerrp: yes

[19:19:59]

phil____:

wagnerrp: it worked before

[19:19:59]

wagnerrp:

you probably screwed up your audio capture

[19:20:07]

wagnerrp:

meaning your video is filtering through mythtv

[19:20:12]

wagnerrp:

but your audio is playing live

[19:20:12]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: whaddya think of this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811192058

[19:20:29]

phil____:

wagnerrp: maybe, where is the setting for this?

[19:20:50]

wagnerrp:

to be honest, ive never bothered trying framegrabbers with mythtv

[19:21:02]

Beirdo:

I started with framegrabbers

[19:21:12]

wagnerrp:

pedestal? not a rack?

[19:21:15]

Beirdo:

they worked OK, but you need to tweak your mixer

[19:21:17]

phil____:

wagnerrp: i know i have to use device dsp1 because usually with wintvgo you had to use line in of the soundcard

[19:21:30]

phil____:

but theres a driver who captures it directly

[19:21:36]

Beirdo:

tell it to capture line in, and mute line-in on the output

[19:21:49]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I don't have a rack :)

[19:22:04]

phil____:

Beirdo: i dont use the line in, i have configured the driver to capture from card directly

[19:22:12]

totalanni:

fn'Beirdo: you should check out the supermicro 933t

[19:22:13]

Beirdo:

oh, then I dunno

[19:22:20]

wagnerrp:

but you could get a rack, and stand the case on end until you do so... :)

[19:22:27]

totalanni:

^ftw

[19:22:35]

Beirdo:

heheh

[19:22:40]

wagnerrp:

is 8 drives enough?

[19:22:53]

phil____:

wagnerrp: can i disable the filtering then if the sound is no option?

[19:23:03]

wagnerrp:

filtering?

[19:23:04]

totalanni:

fn'Beirdo: http://cgi.ebay.com/SUPERMICRO-3U-Server-Chas . . . aultDomain_0

[19:23:22]

phil____:

[21:20:07] <wagnerrp> meaning your video is filtering through mythtv

[19:23:29]

Beirdo:

I will never buy gear like that off EBay

[19:23:40]

phil____:

the thing is, it had worked before!

[19:23:53]

wagnerrp:

phil____: i mean its being capture, encoded, stored, read, transmitted over the network, decoded, and displayed

[19:24:00]

wagnerrp:

instead of being copied straight from the tuner to the video card

[19:24:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: I've got two similar hdd racks, but with 5x 3.5" drives each in 3x5.25 slots.

[19:24:22]

phil____:

wagnerrp: yes, can i turn it off?

[19:24:30]

wagnerrp:

no

[19:24:34]

wagnerrp:

erm... yes

[19:24:37]

wagnerrp:

use TVTime

[19:24:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

phil____: not if you want to use MythTV. ;-) ^^

[19:24:59]

Beirdo:

thinking of something like that for use later as a central fileserver

[19:25:13]

Beirdo:

I might even (shudder) run FreeBSD on it to get ZFS :)

[19:25:19]

wagnerrp:

man, that sentence makes mythtv sound like something the vogans might write

[19:25:20]

Beirdo:

unless btrfs is ready by then

[19:25:31]

totalanni:

i was just givin you a link

[19:25:40]

totalanni:

that case is pretty bad ass

[19:25:51]

wagnerrp:

but expensive

[19:26:01]

AndyCap:

wonder how behlendorf is coming along with the native zfs for linux

[19:26:02]

totalanni:

wag: no moreso than the one he showed

[19:26:10]

wagnerrp:

only because its used, on ebay

[19:26:25]

wagnerrp:

is that actually triple redundant? or 2+1?

[19:26:49]

totalanni:

yea

[19:26:51]

wagnerrp:

760W+380W

[19:26:57]

Beirdo:

I'd probably go with good ole JBOD with ZFS

[19:27:00]

phil____:

J-e-f-f-A: it had worked before, perfectly

[19:27:22]

wagnerrp:

phil____: this is a backend setting you messed up, something in mythtv-setup

[19:27:35]

wagnerrp:

if you play back a recording, does it have any audio?

[19:27:40]

Beirdo:

hahah

[19:27:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

phil____: my response was an answer to "can I turn it off?"

[19:27:56]

Beirdo:

head-hunter email from Intel. RF Engineer?!

[19:27:57]

totalanni:

for $220 bucks thou

[19:27:59]

totalanni:

even used

[19:28:08]

totalanni:

15 hotswappable sata

[19:28:10]

Beirdo:

+$200+ shipping

[19:28:19]

phil____:

wagnerrp: yes i've got audio

[19:28:23]

totalanni:

no

[19:28:27]

totalanni:

try +$50

[19:28:35]

totalanni:

$270 for that

[19:28:35]

Beirdo:

uh huh

[19:28:45]

wagnerrp:

so you actually have two sets of audio playing in livetv? with a 2-second delay between them?

[19:28:46]

Beirdo:

I think I'll pass anyways

[19:28:58]

totalanni:

and its supermicro, so you kno its got some quality in it

[19:29:04]

Beirdo:

if I want crappy cast-off server gear, I'll see if I can't score some from work

[19:29:31]

Beirdo:

supermicro doesn't = quality

[19:29:33]

totalanni:

lol...kk

[19:29:37]

totalanni:

i said SOME

[19:29:42]

phil____:

wagnerrp: two sets of audio? no

[19:29:44]

Beirdo:

it = some random company from Taiwan :)

[19:29:51]

phil____:

wagnerrp: 2 second delay, yes

[19:29:52]

totalanni:

they make good boards

[19:30:37]

phil____:

if i watch the record instead of livetv (which is the same from technical pov) the same applies

[19:31:08]

wagnerrp:

phil____: go into 'watch recordings', hit 'm', turn off the livetv filter

[19:31:21]

wagnerrp:

pick a livetv recording from after you started having this problem, and see if there is any audio

[19:32:15]

wagnerrp:

totalanni: id rather spend the extra to get new... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219031

[19:32:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

... and if it does, press "M" again, and go down to "Adjust Audio Sync", and see if you've got it set to 2000ms...

[19:33:02]

phil____:

i don't see any effect on hitting 'm', but a record from a minute ago has audio

[19:33:25]

Beirdo:

not sure I want rackmount gear in my apt anyways

[19:33:35]

Beirdo:

I like having SOME quiet

[19:34:13]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: so you get a fully enclosed unit, and put in sound dampening stuff

[19:34:28]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:34:31]

wagnerrp:

put it near an outside wall, and duct it directly out

[19:34:36]

Beirdo:

and then the fans to cool it

[19:34:58]

wagnerrp:

exhaust fans in the case, ducted outside

[19:35:01]

Beirdo:

I can't duct directly out, they will not be letting me cut holes in exterior walls :)

[19:35:05]

wagnerrp:

with some baffled on the inlets

[19:35:08]

wagnerrp:

youve got windows

[19:35:20]

Beirdo:

yeah,and they open from the top

[19:35:27]

totalanni:

wagner: thats a nice norco

[19:35:29]

totalanni:

as well

[19:35:41]

Beirdo:

as in a V with the top sloping in

[19:35:55]

totalanni:

for the price too

[19:36:03]

Beirdo:

or swing all the way open horizontally

[19:36:15]

Beirdo:

either way, no use for through-window fans/vents/AC

[19:36:26]

wagnerrp:

well then you just chose poorly

[19:36:30]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:36:46]

** Beirdo rips one at wagnerrp **

[19:36:53]

Beirdo:

now look what you made me do

[19:37:08]

** wagnerrp doesnt think hell have to hold his nose 2500mi away **

[19:37:20]

Beirdo:

wouldn't be so sure

[19:37:37]

wagnerrp:

FOIP?

[19:37:43]

wagnerrp:

smell-o-chat?

[19:37:46]

Beirdo:

hehe, you bet

[19:38:45]

Beirdo:

I wonder how pissy they'd get if I put a cabinet out on the balcony... :)

[19:39:21]

Beirdo:

don't think they put any external power jacks though. dang

[19:39:32]

AndyCap:

fill a whole window with 19" gear. :P

[19:39:37]

wagnerrp:

oh no, you have to run network AND power

[19:39:49]

Beirdo:

network is doable

[19:40:06]

wagnerrp:

'no sir, landlord sir, that is not a window AC unit you see sticking out my window'

[19:40:16]

Beirdo:

one squished Cat5 coming up

[19:40:18]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:40:32]

wagnerrp:

ever seen those flat cat5s?

[19:40:50]

Beirdo:

nope, but I'm sure it would work OK for short sections

[19:41:00]

AndyCap:

works fine on 100mb at least. not tried it on gigabit

[19:41:05]

Beirdo:

like over the doorsill/through a window

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AndyCap:

looks like the one I've got http://www.vpi.us/cable-sf.html

[19:42:09]

wagnerrp:

yeah, those things

[19:42:28]

AndyCap:

oh, available in bulk

[19:42:37]

Beirdo:

that would work fine through doors, etc

[19:42:47]

AndyCap:

only think missing is if it was glue-backed. :P

[19:42:59]

Beirdo:

duct... tape...

[19:43:02]

Beirdo:

:)

[19:43:05]

AndyCap:

ug ly

[19:43:12]

Beirdo:

bah

[19:43:14]

AndyCap:

:)

[19:43:19]

Beirdo:

clear duct tape ain't ugly

[19:43:26]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: not until you rip it off the wall

[19:43:32]

wagnerrp:

clear duct tape?

[19:43:41]

Beirdo:

yes, clear :)

[19:43:42]

wagnerrp:

you mean packing tape?

[19:43:48]

AndyCap:

well, you get strong clear tape.

[19:43:49]

Beirdo:

no, I mean clear duct tape

[19:43:59]

wagnerrp:

you cant make clear duct tape

[19:44:00]

AndyCap:

packingtape is pretty weak.

[19:44:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: what?!?

[19:44:21]

Beirdo:

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=3m+c . . . cQ8wIwADgA#p

[19:44:28]

wagnerrp:

they dont make clear fabric

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wagnerrp:

isnt duct tape by necessity a fiber tape?

[19:45:39]

AndyCap:

http://www.tesa.com/consumer/products/tesa%28 . . . sparent.html

[19:45:39]

Beirdo:

yes

[19:45:50]

Beirdo:

and fiberglass is transparent, no?

[19:46:08]

Beirdo:

http://www.lowes.com/pd_237103-98-2120-D_?PL= . . . 0Duct%20Tape

[19:46:10]

AndyCap:

last I checked it was kind of milky

[19:46:11]

Beirdo:

there's another

[19:46:49]

AndyCap:

next, transparent gaffer tape. :P

[19:47:15]

AndyCap:

ah, yes, that looks like the stuff they make casts from. :P

[19:47:35]

Beirdo:

I wouldn't put it past 3M to come up with one

[19:48:39]

Beirdo:

But I still like my duct tape :)

[19:48:57]

Beirdo:

and I miss Red Green

[19:49:48]

Beirdo:

ooooh

[19:49:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: I guess phil didn't want any more help?

[19:49:58]

Beirdo:

KBTC has 2 Red Green a day

[19:50:03]

Beirdo:

yeeehaw

[19:51:56]

Beirdo:

more recordings.

[19:52:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

dang... missed last-night's "Covert Affairs' cause my wife didn't pay the bill, and it got shut off monday night, and back on this morning... I guess I'll have to wait for it to re-air or just watch it on Hulu...

[19:53:14]

wagnerrp:

well they show it a couple times every week

[19:53:22]

Beirdo:

it should be back on soon

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phil____:

wagnerrp: i'm getting strange mythtv-setup behaviour

[19:55:19]

phil____:

it seems that my messing around with MYTHCONFDIR triggered a new backend config

[19:55:44]

wagnerrp:

yes, it would have

[19:55:55]

wagnerrp:

if you ran the frontend with that same environmental variable

[19:56:12]

phil____:

yes i did

[19:56:20]

wagnerrp:

erm... i mean backend

[19:56:32]

wagnerrp:

and/or mythtv-setup

[19:56:49]

phil____:

what'd you recommend, dumping the tv channel list and starting a new db from scratch?

[19:57:12]

phil____:

wouldn't be that hard, but i never had the audio sync issues till today

[19:57:30]

phil____:

and spent a couple of hours now to identify the evil source of it all

[19:57:53]

Beirdo:

phil____: go down to the first district, walk around and have some beer :)

[19:58:00]

Beirdo:

everything will be better after that

[19:58:22]

Beirdo:

it was for me every time we did it :)

[19:58:29]

phil____:

actually i'm having a beer right now

[19:59:03]

Beirdo:

too early for gluhwein, or I'd suggest that

[19:59:18]

phil____:

it's damn frustrating to have spent a week on configuration and destroying it all when i wanted to trim the last bits

[19:59:21]

Beirdo:

if my spelling is not totally borked (yes, missing an umlaut, I know)

[19:59:45]

Beirdo:

yeah, we've all done that, i bet

[19:59:49]

phil____:

Glühwein :-)

[20:00:24]

Beirdo:

that reminds me... sphery: was it you I need to send my mulled wine recipe to?

[20:00:49]

Beirdo:

modeled after gluhwein from Vienna :)

[20:01:02]

iamlindoro:

sphery only drinks pure rubbing alcohol

[20:01:07]

Beirdo:

haha

[20:01:11]

iamlindoro:

He considers anything else too weak

[20:01:22]

iamlindoro:

He is... the most interesting developer in the world

[20:01:51]

Beirdo:

once it cools down, I'll be making some... so, maybe November or so

[20:02:13]

Beirdo:

mulled wine in warm weather is not a very good combo

[20:02:24]

kormoc:

Iced mulled wine on the other hand

[20:02:29]

kormoc:

or is it Mulled ice wine...

[20:02:33]

Beirdo:

hehe

[20:02:47]

Beirdo:

I wouldn't mull ice wine, personally :)

[20:02:56]

Beirdo:

too expensive, and too sweet

[20:03:47]

Beirdo:

hopefully I can find all my spices in appropriate quantities here. Shouldn't be too hard with World Spice

[20:04:52]

squidly:

does anyone know of a podcast client for myth?

[20:05:18]

Beirdo:

off the top of my head... cloves, cinnamon, cardamom, nutmeg, ginger, orange zest

[20:05:26]

Beirdo:

there was something else, I'm sure

[20:06:13]

Beirdo:

squidly: podcast client? haven't heard of one. mythnews might be able to do something with podcasts

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J-e-f-f-A:

re: Covert Affairs... it airs again on Sunday, so I'll either have to watch it on Hulu or wait until then! ;-)

[20:09:42]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: Have seen the first ep, and have been saving each-- not sure if it's my type of thing yet, hoping it gets better

[20:10:08]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: I like it. Of course Piper Perabo is somewhat eye-candy too...

[20:10:31]

iamlindoro:

She's alright-- sphery reminded me that I really want Agent Sarah Walker back, though...

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Yeah, it's pretty decent I think... 1st episode was a little weird... ^^

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phil____:

Beirdo: you've been to vienna?

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phil____:

i'm living here

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wagnerrp:

went there about a decade ago

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Beirdo:

phil____: yeah. around 2001

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Beirdo:

was there for 6 weeks that year

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iamlindoro:

Vienna would be great if it weren't for all the Austrians

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iamlindoro:

;)

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phil____:

lol

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Beirdo:

Vienna would be great if it didn't cost so much to live there

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phil____:

Beirdo: visit switzerland then

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phil____:

thats expensive!

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Beirdo:

but a great place to visit, take in history, culture and beer and schnitzel :)

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Beirdo:

heh, I wouldn't doubt it

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Beirdo:

Salzburg was nice for a quick visit too

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Beirdo:

I need to geotag all my pics from Vienna, Salzburg and Budapest

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Beirdo:

that will be a nice LONG effort

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phil____:

I was born there, and had invited 2 us-natives for a weekend this summer

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J-e-f-f-A-Work:

grrr.... power went out @ home – I wonder how long my UPS will last... DOH!

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phil____:

they liked it very much

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Beirdo:

but the outdoor markets in Vienna at Christmas time... :)

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Beirdo:

I like

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A-Work: I lost power for four hours last night-- obviously my system didn't last that long, but I was pleased to find that my UPS ran my network, set top boxen, and 12-drive monster backend for 22 minutes

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Beirdo:

we were there JUST before the Euro came in.

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Beirdo:

a mug of hot booze: 20–30 schilling

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A-Work: More than enough to give it 15 mintues to see if it would come back up, and then shut it down liesurely

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Beirdo:

which is roughly $2–3 CDN at the time

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J-e-f-f-A-Work:

iamlindoro: yeah, my Son just called and said it's been out for 10 mins, but I think it's been more like 15, since my NX session just went bye-bye... Unfortunately I don't have my system setup to shutdown automagically when on UPS – I really should set that up...

[20:16:48]

Beirdo:

http://pics.beirdo.ca/v/Europe/Vienna/12202001a09.jpg.html

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: There you go enjoying the Sissy Punch again

[20:17:24]

Beirdo:

me drinking "sissy punsch" in front of Schoenbrunn (I think) Castle

[20:17:38]

Beirdo:

my spelling is getting worse as I get older

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J-e-f-f-A-Work:

Beirdo: Jeepers, you look just like my Cousin's husband... only younger. ;-)

[20:18:32]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

that was an expensive booth

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Beirdo:

35 schillings for that sissy punsch

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** Beirdo chuckles **

[20:20:25]

Beirdo:

wearing the hat of the client company. heh

[20:22:22]

Beirdo:

they closed down shortly after we got home, IIRC

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kormoc:

Mmm... Felecia Day is on Eureka!

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wagnerrp:

not listed

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, future episode

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kormoc:

Guest spot, non-long term

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Beirdo:

iiinteresting

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Beirdo:

poking through linkedin... seems I'm connected to a guy back in Ottawa... through MythTV AND through my friends back in Ottawa

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Beirdo:

including one kormoc herhe

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

small world

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kormoc:

I know them?

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Beirdo:

he's third level connection through both you and Jarod

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phil____:

new db from scratch – delete the current one (after backup) and then use mc.sql, mythtv-setup

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phil____:

?

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phil____:

does it create all tables as necessary

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wagnerrp:

mythtv internally creates any new tables it needs, yes

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phil____:

thanks, great

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** Beirdo is curious... anyone here from Ottawa? :) **

[20:53:15]

wagnerrp:

sure

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wagnerrp:

oh, ottawa... nevermind

[20:53:51]

wagnerrp:

ottawa, covington.. .get the two mixed up

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wagnerrp:

theyre so close

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** kormoc blinks **

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Beirdo:

Ottawa, Hell... oh wait, that's Hull...

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Beirdo:

and now it's "Gatineau"

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Beirdo:

pfft

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Beirdo:

3h of CPU time, and Covert Affairs is 88% done commflagging

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Beirdo:

sigh

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wagnerrp:

one feature wish down... any other recommendations for scripts while im at it?

[21:02:55]

J-e-f-f-A-Work:

Beirdo: Better than mine, which is 0% done comflagging... (woops, thats because it didn't record for me!!! DOH, I guess that doesn't count!) ;-)

[21:03:10]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you are doing requests?! :)

[21:03:26]

sphery:

Beirdo: yeah, wase me (for the recipe)

[21:03:28]

Beirdo:

crazy man

[21:03:51]

Beirdo:

sphery: I'll try to get to it :) it's not cold enough to care quite yet though

[21:03:53]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: trying to come up with new things to add to the bindings

[21:04:07]

wagnerrp:

best way to do that is to write stuff and see what makes sense to add

[21:04:17]

sphery:

Beirdo: yeah, not cold here, either, so no hurry :)

[21:04:19]

Beirdo:

yeah

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J-e-f-f-A-Work:

Is it ever cold in Florida? ;-)

[21:04:42]

wagnerrp:

oh, i should fix the schemaupdate stuff

[21:04:47]

sphery:

for 2 weeks a year, yeah :)

[21:04:52]

Beirdo:

define "cold"

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wagnerrp:

i thought of a much better way to do that a bit ago

[21:05:02]

J-e-f-f-A-Work:

Beirdo: beat me to it!

[21:05:05]

Beirdo:

for someone who lives there, 70F might be cold :0

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A-Work, when the hurricane is blowing at 80 MPH with water all around, it's pretty chilly

[21:05:17]

Beirdo:

for my ex-wife, she insists that 80F is cold

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Beirdo:

silly Puerto Ricans

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sphery:

80F is juuuuuust right

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kormoc:

Think of the windchill!

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Beirdo:

80F is warmish, but certainly not cold :)

[21:06:08]

sphery:

(For air--not water. I like my scuba diving in 85F.)

[21:06:09]

J-e-f-f-A-Work:

nah, 72F is just right... ;-)

[21:06:11]

Beirdo:

comfortable even

[21:06:25]

Beirdo:

but the 65–75F here... I'm loving it.

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sphery:

65–75 is ok, as long as it doesn't really get lower than that at night

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Beirdo:

80 today, 83 tomorrow

[21:07:17]

Beirdo:

bah

[21:07:35]

Beirdo:

hehe, oh I like it chilly at night too

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Beirdo:

camping in the Rockies was great

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: 80's aren't bad if it's LOW humidity like in CA...

[21:07:52]

Beirdo:

30F at night, 80F in the day

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Beirdo:

you learn about layers real fast

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, or 80F inside in the air conditioning

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Dynamic_Fail:

Can Myth-Tv be used to record webcam streams or ip camera streams (basically rtp, rtsp, udp http streams)

[21:09:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

But it's been hot & Humid here in the Northeast the last few weeks... but only in the 60's this week!

[21:10:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

Dynamic_Fail: Myth has a ZoneMinder plugin – that might be what you're looking for.

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** Beirdo snickers **

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** J-e-f-f-A 3 Musketeers **

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Dynamic_Fail:

J-e-f-f-A, what exactly does the plug in allow for

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wagnerrp:

Dynamic_Fail: the plugin allows you to access a local zoneminder install

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dynamic_Fail: I've never used it, but ZoneMinder is a very popular "video camer security and surveillance solution"

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wagnerrp:

so read up on what zoneminder allows

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Dynamic_Fail:

J-e-f-f-A, yeah I have been trying to get zoneminder working for about a week in the past

[21:15:34]

Dynamic_Fail:

never could get it to show any monitors

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J-e-f-f-A:

'camera' even.

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tweek__:

so, I've been using this Python transcoding script on my 120-episode library

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tweek__:

seems to work alright so far

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wagnerrp:

python transcoding script?

[21:15:53]

tweek__:

http://codepad.org/vzvOx2yw

[21:16:06]

tweek__:

yep, uses ffmpeg, mp4box, atomicparsley

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wagnerrp:

woo! i cot a mention!

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tweek__:

and project-x, which was instrumental in correcting annoying sync issues which have been a pain in the ass all summer

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sphery:

there's a part of wagnerrp in every

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dynamic_Fail: Well, the plugin for myth isn't going to do anything for you until you get stuff working in zoneminder first...

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sphery:

MythTV-related python script

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tweek__:

finally got my new computer (those issues where the Nvidia driver with VDPAU crashes the kernel for no reason at all have gone away) and RMA'd my burnt-out HVR-1600

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Dynamic_Fail:

J-e-f-f-A, so it basically just provides a front end for a linux based computer on the network for your zoneminder cameras

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tweek__:

they gave me a tuner with the analog portion broken, but I don't care anymore as all channels are now in digital

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wagnerrp:

recordrating? i should add an attribute for that one...

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Dynamic_Fail:

monitors

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tweek__:

and ... everything works beautifully

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wagnerrp:

oh, i did add one for recordrating

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wagnerrp:

score!

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tweek__:

yeah, that was a while ago

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tweek__:

http://codepad.org/0NkDB1gJ <-- this too

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dynamic_Fail: As I said, I've never used it, but here's the myth wiki page for it: http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythZoneMinder

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tweek__:

can't believe it's still on codepad

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Dynamic_Fail:

J-e-f-f-A, do you know of anyway to record a video stream (udp, rtp, rtsp, or http) into chunks to disk?

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Dynamic_Fail:

any program?

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wagnerrp:

tweek__: i dont think that script is going to work

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tweek__:

only other bug I found so far in the python binding: if you have a program without an originalairdate, Recorded.formatPath('some-string-that-doesn't-use-the-airdate') fails

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wagnerrp:

the first one you posted

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wagnerrp:

the first line after the initial comments is 'v'

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tweek__:

the first one still needs some work before I can release it for primetime, but I've been using it locally to transcode a bunch of stuff

[21:20:19]

tweek__:

oh, yeah, probably a typo

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dynamic_Fail: Nope, but haven't had a need for it myself. I think MythNews (or MythNetVision in 0.23+) will playback many of those streams though...

[21:20:47]

wagnerrp:

tweek__: this is yours?

[21:20:50]

tweek__:

yep

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tweek__:

mostly I'm fishing for suggestions

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wagnerrp:

might want to check out MythTV.utility.datetime

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tweek__:

and ... some alternative to mythcommflag in Windows

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wagnerrp:

_convert_time could be replaced by datetime.frommythtime(), or datetime.duck()

[21:22:13]

tweek__:

the problem with comskip.exe / ShowAnalyzer is that they don't let you play the file back, make sure everything's correct, and fix commercial flags if there are problems

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tweek__:

might need to write up something myself to do that

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phil____:

yeeesss

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phil____:

it works again!

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phil____:

yeeeehaw

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tweek__:

is this 0.24 you're talking about? MythTV.utility doesn't seem to exist in my 0.23

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wagnerrp:

yes

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tweek__:

gotta get that sometime

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wagnerrp:

Recorded.formatPath() or Program.formatPath()?

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wagnerrp:

ah, Recorded

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wagnerrp:

it fails if you dont use the airdate? or if the airdate is not defined?

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tweek__:

if it's not a key

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wagnerrp:

so if its not defined, the database lists NULL

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Beirdo:

It's Effin' Science... commflagging at 98fps from 480p H.264

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Beirdo:

or is it 480i? not sure

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Beirdo:

at 73% CPU

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tweek__:

db = MythTV.MythDB(); rec = db.getRecorded(starttime = ..., chanid = ...); rec['originalairdate'] = None; rec.formatPath('%S'); # here's how to trigger it

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tweek__:

basically the fix is to check every single attribute that could go into this path format for existence before using it, which would be a bit of a pain

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Beirdo:

480p

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Beirdo:

oh sonvaBLEEEP1

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sphery:

Beirdo: on [25845] did you mean for GENERIC_EXIT_SIGNALLED to be 242?

[21:53:25]

Beirdo:

it's trying to commflag Covert Affairs again!?!

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Beirdo:

one sec

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Beirdo:

oh crap, blah

[21:54:02]

Beirdo:

yes

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Beirdo:

let me fix that :)

[21:54:10]

Beirdo:

thanks

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sphery:

well thank you--I now understand what the *_EXIT_START codes are for

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

I saw them being used in the commflag return codes as COMMFLAG_EXIT_START-1, etc

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wagnerrp:

tweek__: no, the fix is to simply change how im accessing that data

[21:56:12]

wagnerrp:

use .get() instead of the normal key access

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sphery:

Beirdo: yeah, I makes sense to me, now, but was confusing when I did the time zone one (since there were things after start, like TRANSCODE_EXIT_RESTART)

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sphery:

which is also why time zone got put in the wrong place

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sphery:

:)

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tweek__:

oh yeah that works too

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ComradeHaz`:

Hey guys, would asking for assistance here on making my mythbuntu box diskless and network bootable be straying abit far off-topic?

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Beirdo:

OK, committed. [25854]

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wagnerrp:

ComradeHaz`: yes, distro support gets forwarded to the respective distro

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wagnerrp:

namely #mythbuntu or #ubuntu

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sphery:

Beirdo: thx

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tweek__:

live video over xdmcp via a network ... god that'd be a nightmare

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Beirdo:

no problem. thank YOU :)

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wagnerrp:

[myth|u]buntu uses some special mechanism through aufs and ndb

[21:59:34]

wagnerrp:

its not the normal nfs-based netboot that most people in here would be used to assisting with

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ComradeHaz`:

Ooh, wasn't aware of #mythbuntu (actually redirects to #ubuntu-mythtv). Thanks!

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, normal nfs-based netboot?

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** tgm4883 doesn't netboot **

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: one machine gets its own nfs share

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wagnerrp:

and you point the kernel at the nfs share from the command line argument

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wagnerrp:

its all built into the kernel

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ComradeHaz`:

Oh right wagnerrp. Well, I'm usually a debian user. Should I just run a debian system with mythtv installed instead?

[22:01:29]

ComradeHaz`:

I figured just going for mythbuntu would be an easier way

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wagnerrp:

the way ubuntu does it requires a custom initrd to manage a read-only shared network disk image, and a writable aufs overlay

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ComradeHaz`:

Yeah, I have a guide but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me sadly :S

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wagnerrp:

ComradeHaz`: there should be some form of wizard to walk you through setting it up

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ComradeHaz`:

Oooh?

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wagnerrp:

there have been too manu people in here who have pulled if off and have no idea what they actually did for it to be that difficult

[22:03:10]

ComradeHaz`:

On the Mythbuntu install CD?

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wagnerrp:

since theyre overlaying a ramfs on top of a static shared image

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

any changes made to the system after boot are lost when you reboot

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wagnerrp:

its like using a livecd

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ComradeHaz`:

wooah, wtf?

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ComradeHaz`:

I don;t want that?!

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wagnerrp:

people dont understand that, cant fathom why changes they make are lost after a reboot, and come in here asking whats going on

[22:05:14]

wagnerrp:

ComradeHaz`: or you can pull a writable second image over nbd instead of the ramfs

[22:05:26]

ComradeHaz`:

Hmm :/

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wagnerrp:

but ive never used it, i know /how/ it works, but i couldnt even tell you what the setup tool looks like

[22:05:43]

ComradeHaz`:

I've never set up a net-booting system before

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** wagnerrp gets light headed **

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Beirdo:

I gotta test Captain_Murdoch's animated changes tonight to make sure it's still working nicely for weather :)

[22:06:09]

wagnerrp:

running up and down 20 flights of stairs with heavy boxes sucks

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ComradeHaz`:

hehe, quit snifing meths :D

[22:06:21]

ComradeHaz`:

:S

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ComradeHaz`:

20 flights, hey?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: put the truck below the window (use a dump truck) and toss the stuff out the window

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ComradeHaz`:

lol?

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totalanni:

lol

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Beirdo:

or do it like the Dutch...

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Beirdo:

put a crane out the window

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Beirdo:

or above the window, whatever :)

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Beirdo:

lower the crap down

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totalanni:

work smart...not hard

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Beirdo:

I dunno. blowing it up and carrying out the pieces in garbage bags has an odd allure too

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totalanni:

recycle man ;)

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totalanni:

FUX

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totalanni:

cannot find this lighter

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totalanni:

and this bowl is callin my name

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Beirdo:

language... jeez

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow at totalanni **

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totalanni:

O_o

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Beirdo:

and bongs and mythtv don't mix

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Beirdo:

heh

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totalanni:

volcano ftw

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** Shadow__X wishes the mythtv helping versions of protocols are used **

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kormoc:

oh lord

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Beirdo:

do be putting down the crack pipe...

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Shadow__X:

wasnt soip(stab over ip) one of them?

[22:15:29]

Beirdo:

absolutel

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Beirdo:

y

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** Beirdo gives his fingers the evil eye **

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kormoc:

KoIP (Knife over IP)

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ComradeHaz`:

[23:15:11] <Shadow__X> wasnt soip(stab over ip) one of them? <---- Murder the geeky way?!

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Beirdo:

foip.

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ComradeHaz`:

fap over IP?

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ComradeHaz`:

pr0nhub?!

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kormoc:

The problem with KoIP is the fact that it doesn't specify if it's pointy end first or last

[22:16:17]

** Beirdo rips one as an example **

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kormoc:

oh lord

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ComradeHaz`:

lol

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Beirdo:

yeah, the ack on KoIP might be a bit painful

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Shadow__X:

ah yes perhaps we can force orientation somehow?

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ComradeHaz`:

Could just 'rsync --sheath'?

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Guest11348:

problem with mythweb...won't let me save playlist, or play from playlist. any suggestions?

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phil____:

astonishing what denoise and yadiff can do to an image

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tweek__:

alright, going to go see how far I can get in Windows with this transcoding business. later #mythtv

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phil____:

would you recommend RTjpeg or mpg4 as software encoder?

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kormoc:

mpg4

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kormoc:

but it will eat cpu cycles

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phil____:

hm i currently adjusted the playback to use yadiff and denoise, causes 50% cpu usage of the frontend

[23:12:56]

phil____:

on one of 2 cpus

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phil____:

the default is RTjpeg?

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phil____:

as i understand it, the playback settings apply after the software encoding

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phil____:

so if mpg4 makes better quality i could also skip denoise i.e.

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kormoc:

I have no idea the default anymore, it's been way too many years

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phil____:

i see :-D

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phil____:

but it's the LiveTV profile i think?

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phil____:

for the software encoder, which is used for, well, LiveTV

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kormoc:

I don't do livetv, so I wouldn't know

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wagnerrp:

most people dont use the software encoders either

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phil____:

well because they have a proper tv card

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kormoc:

As should you

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phil____:

i've never used it in the last 5 years

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wagnerrp:

its been discussed on more than one occasion to drop generic V4L support

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phil____:

had a setup for home theater with real, bought dvd's and occasional watching

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wagnerrp:

i dont think any of the devs use them

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phil____:

now moved to another flat and thought about combining things

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phil____:

football wm with projector would have been nice :-D

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wagnerrp:

oh come on, wtf... a super computer that runs 'on just 26 amps of energy'

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wagnerrp:

what does that even mean?

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sphery:

ah, I'm 25min late for saying, "Bring in denoise. Bring in 'da funk."

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sphery:

wagnerrp: let me guess which thread this might be...

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wagnerrp:

you would be wrong

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wagnerrp:

its an article on slashdot

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sphery:

oh

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sphery:

figured it was either the plug or superserver thread

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wagnerrp:

oh hell

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wagnerrp:

its a direct quote from an article on the UT at Austin website

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phil____:

i could ask our admin how many amps our cluster consumes :-)

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wagnerrp:

so much for their science program

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wagnerrp:

does it run on 12V DC?

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phil____:

i bet it's tremendous

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wagnerrp:

does it run on telco -48VDC?

[23:26:55]

wagnerrp:

does it run on residential 110V?

[23:27:03]

wagnerrp:

does it run on multi-phase 440V?

[23:27:20]

wagnerrp:

does it run on commercial 7.2kV?

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phil____:

wagnerrp: you mean me?

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wagnerrp:

or maybe distribution grade 14.4kV?

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wagnerrp:

and since when is 'amperage' a measure for 'energy'

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phil____:

well, it's late here in austria

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wagnerrp:

im talking about the UTaA cluster that claims to 'only run on 26 amps of energy'

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phil____:

and i don't know on what type of voltage the clusters run

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phil____:

ah i see

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phil____:

but... usually

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sphery:

wagnerrp: hey, but that article has a picture of an old cray--it's possible that 26A system is actually more powerful than the old cray

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sphery:

(the pic on slashdot)

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phil____:

the voltage is not changed for a supercomputer

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wagnerrp:

yeah, they probably mean 110V, 26A

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wagnerrp:

so a mere 3kW or so

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Beirdo:

more likely 220V being Europe

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wagnerrp:

but even then, thats still not a measure of energy

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phil____:

where is it? we've got 220

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phil____:

ye Beirdo

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sphery:

and what's up with "26 amps of energy", anyway...

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sphery:

26 amps of current, maybe

[23:29:57]

wagnerrp:

university of texas, at austin

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Beirdo:

ah

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phil____:

k then

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jamesd2:

the answer is 42....

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Beirdo:

being Texas... more likely they just are confused

[23:30:43]

Beirdo:

it it ain't measured in football fields...

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, again I'm too slow--you said that 2 minutes ago (while I was looking up the article :)

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phil____:

even trying to build a powerful cluster with least energy consume is ridiculous

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wagnerrp:

they dont even say how much computing power constitutes a 'super computer'

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wagnerrp:

whats the minimum? does it have to make it onto the top500 list?

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phil____:

why would you do, say 100 really big clusters, for really big workloads and then build a mini one to make the n1 on power consumption

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phil____:

well imho those are not the projects to look on energy

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phil____:

cern consumes twice the energy of a big city

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wagnerrp:

ok, seems they had to achieve the best performance they could while staying under the allotted power budget, probably 30A, or two outlets

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phil____:

but there's just one cern

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phil____:

mwahaha

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phil____:

good point, yeah, probably

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phil____:

they'll get an audience at greenpeace

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** wagnerrp goes skulking back to his 50kW supercomputer **

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phil____:

hm wagnerrp, sphery you know what software encoder is used when watching tv? liveTV?

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wagnerrp:

rtjpeg or mpeg4, whatever you set it to

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phil____:

i'm currently in the process of optimizing capture/playback

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phil____:

there are 4 profiles

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phil____:

the 2 main ones default and livetv

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sphery:

Live TV for live TV

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phil____:

i see no difference so i was asking myself which one is really used

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sphery:

and you're using an analog capture device?

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phil____:

yes

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sphery:

and what are you changing?

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phil____:

old fashioned i know but .... whatever

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phil____:

from rtjpeg to mppg4

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sphery:

and what difference did you expect to see

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phil____:

but before i adjusted playback to use yadif and denoise=7

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phil____:

well, the artifacts should at least change a bit

[23:39:07]

phil____:

i had horizontal lines before from time to time

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sphery:

if they're still there, perhaps the signal isn't clean

[23:39:33]

phil____:

mpg4 as far as i got the algorithm right would do quares of different sizes instead

[23:39:49]

phil____:

quares/squares

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phil____:

the signal is alright, the card is crap

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phil____:

wintvgo from dunno 2000?

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kormoc:

no matter what you pick, if it's in the signal or the crap card is creating those horizontal lines, you'll record them

[23:41:37]

phil____:

i would not get a straight horizontal line artefact when using mpg4 encoder, thats what i expected

[23:41:59]

phil____:

i don't want to get a perfect picture

[23:42:07]

phil____:

then i'd just go and by a decent one

[23:42:07]

kormoc:

...

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phil____:

but i want the best possible

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sphery:

how do people use the Web with Flash installed in their browsers

[23:42:52]

phil____:

without spending money (apart from paying the power)

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kormoc:

sphery, flashblock? adblock?

[23:43:04]

sphery:

there are advertisements with video /and/ audio popping up all over just when I move the mouse

[23:43:36]

sphery:

But flashblock and adblock will mean that the sites whose articles I enjoy won't get their ad revenue

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phil____:

you can unblock them

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kormoc:

they won't if you don't have flash installed as well

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sphery:

but if I just don't install Flash (my approach), then they detect the lack of flash and do some image or javascript/css ad

[23:44:37]

sphery:

yeah, I don't install flash, but they still get ad revenue--but that's because they know I don't have flash, so they give me the non-flash ad

[23:44:38]

** kormoc shrugs **

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sphery:

anyway, I'm hating on flash

[23:45:02]

kormoc:

who doesn't?

[23:45:09]

sphery:

Steve Jobs?

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kormoc:

Yeah, he loves it for sures

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Shadow__X:

its so efficient

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sphery:

ah, I'm glad to be able to shut down my Flash profile browser, again

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phil____:

picture quality is fine now

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phil____:

mpg4 does a good job hiding those horizontal lines

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wagnerrp:

sphery: they probably give you the non-flash ads always

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wagnerrp:

but the flash ads normally cover them up so you dont see them

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phil____:

statistics about net traffic and how much of it is related to ads would be insteresting

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wagnerrp:

wow... http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid= . . . cid=33373128

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Beirdo:

a lot less than is used fro pr0n

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phil____:

if you could switch it off we'd have double the speed

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wagnerrp:

yeah, porn and piracy runs the internet

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