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| [00:00:26] | garyg: | help |
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| [00:05:21] | sphery: | garyg: Your MythWeb DB configuration is broken. http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8158 |
| [00:06:04] | sphery: | kormoc: speaking of which (even if I was talking to myself), it seems that jpabq- wanted to test your fix for #8158, and he found that it doesn't detect PHP configured without mysqli or mysql support |
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| [00:06:35] | kormoc: | ooh? |
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| [00:08:15] | sphery: | kormoc: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2010-08-19:00:37:26 |
| [00:08:28] | wagnerrp: | phil____: im using it with xchat currently, did you want an xdpyinfo run or something? |
| [00:08:40] | sphery: | kormoc: 00:56:17 is the revelation |
| [00:08:53] | kormoc: | kk |
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| [00:10:01] | phil____: | wagnerrp: i don't know what an xdpyinfo is, but if i can move mythtv from one xinerama screen to another on the same x with xpra, i'll investigate |
| [00:10:10] | phil____: | whatever i'll need for it |
| [00:10:25] | sphery: | kormoc: I understand that developing a test for that and making a good error message would be challenging (and verifying the test would be annoying), but since it seems a lot of users have such problems, it would be great if there's something you can do without too much effort |
| [00:10:36] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [00:10:49] | wagnerrp: | if you are using xinerama, you are not using multiple screens |
| [00:10:59] | wagnerrp: | simply drag the window from one monitor to the next |
| [00:11:10] | phil____: | with the IR? |
| [00:11:11] | phil____: | :-) |
| [00:11:21] | phil____: | i want it automated |
| [00:11:37] | wagnerrp: | xpra is for moving applications from one /server/ to the next |
| [00:11:43] | phil____: | ok |
| [00:11:54] | wagnerrp: | its like `screen`, but for X applications |
| [00:12:13] | mib_9e44hf: | km |
| [00:12:14] | phil____: | the reason why I took the term xinerama is because it's used often to distinct monitors in twinview setup |
| [00:12:21] | phil____: | alright |
| [00:13:02] | phil____: | more precisely, xinerama desktop, but anyway you know what i mean |
| [00:13:10] | wagnerrp: | xinerama and twinview are two completely different things |
| [00:13:30] | phil____: | i know and wanted to omit the begining discussion |
| [00:13:31] | phil____: | :-) |
| [00:14:02] | wagnerrp: | xinerama is a module in X to make it use two independent screens as a single screen, such that you can move applications between |
| [00:14:19] | phil____: | as is twinview |
| [00:14:19] | wagnerrp: | twinview is a tool built into nvidia drivers to make X think your two monitors are actually a single device |
| [00:14:36] | wagnerrp: | same final purpose, but completely different ways of going about it |
| [00:14:46] | wagnerrp: | and the language is not inter-changable |
| [00:15:11] | phil____: | with the exception of xinerama attributes working within this one big monitor, i.e. mplayer -xineramascreen x works fine with twinview |
| [00:15:36] | phil____: | or the mythtv setup dialogue, the xineramascreen is asked for |
| [00:16:17] | wagnerrp: | are there actually mechanisms to poll the subscreens? |
| [00:16:19] | phil____: | yeah i know, i just needed a "word" for screens in one x-server |
| [00:16:27] | phil____: | well |
| [00:16:32] | wagnerrp: | i always thought those just assumed the subscreens were the same size |
| [00:16:39] | wagnerrp: | and either took the left or right half |
| [00:17:03] | phil____: | as long as nvidia just states that they want to include randr support, it's not done yet |
| [00:17:16] | wagnerrp: | i know twinview requires that the two screens are the same size |
| [00:17:18] | phil____: | nope, at least not with the nvidia driver |
| [00:17:22] | sphery: | use your window manager to move it (with appropriate hot key + irxevent) |
| [00:17:23] | phil____: | nope |
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| [00:17:37] | sphery: | though that won't help if you actually have different-sized screens (which is sounds like you do) |
| [00:18:17] | kormoc: | phil____, screens like :0.0 and :0.1 or real xinerama screens? |
| [00:19:39] | phil____: | kormoc: sorry i can't answer this, I am still confused about the :0.x naming, dunno what i means |
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| [00:20:11] | phil____: | sphery: hm, that'd be nice |
| [00:20:18] | kormoc: | you have servers, :0 is a server, :1 is a server, then you have screens :0.0 is first server first screen, :0.1 is first server second screen |
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| [00:20:41] | kormoc: | they're completely separate concepts, you can run different window managers on each and can't drag windows between them |
| [00:20:43] | phil____: | then 0.0 and 0.1 is what i am running |
| [00:21:16] | phil____: | and switching between settings 0.0 = DFP/ 0.1 = CRT and 0.0 = DFP/ 0.1 = projector |
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| [00:21:40] | kormoc: | if it's xinerama/twinview, it's actually :0.0 with some magic that maps them to different physical displays |
| [00:21:58] | kormoc: | you can't move windows from :0.0 to :0.1 or vice versa |
| [00:22:02] | phil____: | well, as of my currently running setups, i am able to drag anything back and forth between any 2 active screens |
| [00:22:08] | marc_us: | sphery: I have beat the Dual HDPVR problem.... It was a logical fix requiring me to ensure both devices had the same firmware. |
| [00:22:10] | kormoc: | then it's not :0.0 and :0.1 |
| [00:22:32] | phil____: | hm ok |
| [00:22:38] | phil____: | then, somehow |
| [00:22:59] | phil____: | the xineramadisplay setting in mythtv-setup works anyway |
| [00:23:04] | phil____: | ?!? |
| [00:23:27] | sphery: | marc_us: cool... glad you got it figured out. |
| [00:24:41] | marc_us: | I also installed a backplane header for another usb bus and ensured they were on seperate hardware buses. Thay may have some of the credit but I'm afraid to lsusb while recordings are running |
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| [00:25:39] | phil____: | so you think it might be as easy as selecting mythtv, dragging it (by means of script) say 1600 to the right and fullscreening? |
| [00:25:45] | marc_us: | I'm Super freaking happy now... |
| [00:26:52] | sphery: | phil____: mythtv doesn't allow resizing after startup |
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| [00:27:07] | sphery: | so if your screens aren't the same size, use 2 separate configurations |
| [00:27:14] | phil____: | alright |
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| [00:27:35] | sphery: | using LocalHostName overrides in config.xml — frontendprojector and frontendmonitor or whatever |
| [00:27:49] | sphery: | or, better, use an override only for the one you're likely to use the least |
| [00:27:56] | sphery: | and let the other use the real hostname |
| [00:29:54] | marc_us: | sphery: I wanted to thank everyone who helped me but you are the only one I remember! |
| [00:30:28] | sphery: | heh, well, it's the thought that counts, right? |
| [00:30:45] | sphery: | and I'm sure others helped far more than I (since I don't know much about the HD-PVRs) |
| [00:31:42] | marc_us: | Well, if anyone has similar problems, I'll know how to help |
| [00:33:26] | sphery: | and that's actually the /best/ way to say thanks |
| [00:33:41] | sphery: | (not that we don't actually appreciate hearing the words, too, sometimes :) |
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| [00:35:29] | marc_us: | Well, I certainly appreciate the group. I would be lost without it. |
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| [01:26:15] | Beirdo: | muhaha |
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| [01:26:43] | Beirdo: | Top Gear can be quite funny |
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| [01:32:26] | sphery: | So, last season's Chuck featured commercials (during the commercials, not during the show--this is Chuck, not Heroes) for the Honda Accord Crosstour that starred Capt Awesome, Ellie, and Morgan. For some reason, the commercial flagger thinks they're normal commercials, so I actually have to find them to watch them. :( |
| [01:34:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, we missed most of those also I think. |
| [01:35:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | we use manual skip and one day we were late to the button and caught a glimpse of the beginning of one. had to rewind to verify what I saw was true. :) |
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| [01:40:58] | Beirdo: | Captain_Murdoch: your code's too good :) |
| [01:41:23] | Beirdo: | OMG, I want to restart the backend... |
| [01:41:28] | Beirdo: | 3 recordings currently |
| [01:41:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | only if you live in the U.S. :| |
| [01:42:02] | Beirdo: | and Canada |
| [01:42:19] | Beirdo: | but where else matters (ducks and runs) |
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| [01:43:36] | Beirdo: | and of course... the speedups now don't work for H.264, it seems |
| [01:43:37] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [01:44:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | FYI, DVD/BD MythTV URIs will now be of the format myth://Images@192.168.3.95/x264_blueray_demo (BDMV image) myth://ISOs@192.168.3.95/X-Men_Origins-Wolverine.iso (DVD ISO) and myth://Images@192.168.3.95/X-Men_Origins-Wolverine (DVD image). the code autodetects a DVD or BD image directory if you give it the parent directory of the VIDEO_TS or BDMV subdir. |
| [01:44:24] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, saw that. |
| [01:44:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | Images/ISOs are just my SG names in that example, can be user defined or Videos, etc.. |
| [01:45:22] | Beirdo: | Images would be a confusing name for most |
| [01:45:24] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [01:45:33] | Beirdo: | Images = Gallery to my mind |
| [01:46:52] | Beirdo: | aw crud |
| [01:48:01] | Beirdo: | animated map not working :)( |
| [01:48:17] | Beirdo: | let me guess |
| [01:48:30] | peter81: | hi all, is there anyone that can help me troubleshoot what I think are video card driver issues with mythbuntu? I can't boot right now, I get the splash screens come up, but just black otherwise. I can get into recovery mode and drop to a prompt. |
| [01:48:33] | Beirdo: | I forgot to finish the support in the mythweather side |
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| [01:49:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | I editted those, I actually have 'DVD Images' and DVD ISOs' as my names for testing. :) |
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| [01:51:58] | nutron: | commflag is pretty good, though it consistently misses the first set on a specific channel, I can't figure out why yet. |
| [01:52:04] | nutron: | I don't watch enough tv :( |
| [01:52:28] | Beirdo: | and done |
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| [01:53:05] | nutron: | l33t c0d3r! |
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| [01:54:07] | Beirdo: | crap |
| [01:54:19] | Beirdo: | just killed the backend instead of the frontend |
| [01:54:30] | ** Beirdo is an eeediot ** | |
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| [01:56:13] | ** iamlindoro complicate's Captain_Murdoch's life by committing a bunch of junk in files he's working on ** | |
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| [01:56:19] | iamlindoro: | er complicates |
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| [02:00:06] | ** Captain_Murdoch reverts iamlindoro's changes. ;) ** | |
| [02:00:06] | ** Beirdo thinks iamlindoro has been using IRC two much :) ** | |
| [02:01:06] | Beirdo: | yay |
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| [02:02:52] | Beirdo: | OK, time to SVN up |
| [02:02:59] | Beirdo: | this should take a moment |
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| [02:03:32] | Beirdo: | remove half a million lines of code, add in roughly the same... thanks |
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| [02:07:13] | Beirdo: | and mythtv's lack of animated weather maps is now over. |
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| [02:12:15] | Beirdo: | and another local branch gone |
| [02:12:24] | Beirdo: | thank you again, Captain_Murdoch :) |
| [02:14:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | so it actually works? :) |
| [02:14:50] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [02:14:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | another thing I didn't mention in the commit log is that you can now have non-linear delays even with local images. |
| [02:15:14] | Captain_Murdoch: | well, non-evenly-spaced delays. |
| [02:15:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | not sure if that's benefitial at all, but it wasn't that much code to add to support it. |
| [02:15:40] | Beirdo: | that's cool. |
| [02:16:03] | wagnerrp: | crap |
| [02:16:21] | Beirdo: | don't need to, thanks |
| [02:16:35] | wagnerrp: | looks like i plugged my primary monitor into the wrong card |
| [02:16:40] | Beirdo: | oops |
| [02:16:49] | wagnerrp: | games are all chunky |
| [02:17:03] | wagnerrp: | why? because im trying to run 3D games at 1600x1200 on a POS 8400GS |
| [02:17:11] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:17:32] | wagnerrp: | 'i know this game runs a lot better than this....' |
| [02:19:56] | Beirdo: | "oh son of a.... |
| [02:23:04] | wagnerrp: | of course the fat bundle of (now velcro'd) cables coming out of my desktop isnt too happy |
| [02:23:15] | wagnerrp: | one DVI cable is too short, one too long |
| [02:23:38] | wagnerrp: | so ive got to shift them ever so slightly for that meter long bundle |
| [02:23:55] | wagnerrp: | and whoops, seems i pulled my keyboard out of socket |
| [02:24:44] | nutron: | How can you talk to us then? |
| [02:24:58] | wagnerrp: | well clearly i plugged it in |
| [02:24:59] | nutron: | I'm awaiting the end of this story with bated breath :) |
| [02:25:00] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [02:25:07] | nutron: | Heh |
| [02:25:23] | nutron: | I'm starting to feel like intel is made in china (apologies to china) |
| [02:25:48] | nutron: | 6 new servers 3 rma's |
| [02:25:53] | nutron: | 1 rma'd twice |
| [02:26:29] | totalanni: | mmmm |
| [02:26:30] | wagnerrp: | 'course theres just something so viscerally satisfying about having a big fat 2" bundle of cables coming out of your desktop |
| [02:26:33] | totalanni: | hope i get this hdhomerun |
| [02:26:47] | wagnerrp: | apple and their all-in-one units just doesnt 'get it' |
| [02:28:32] | nutron: | something satisfying about 2" thickness... |
| [02:28:41] | nutron: | I'm happy with one or two cm's |
| [02:31:02] | Beirdo: | that's what she said? |
| [02:31:17] | Beirdo: | sorry, couldn't resist |
| [02:32:28] | Beirdo: | dagnabit... |
| [02:32:39] | Beirdo: | I got home 5 minutes after the mailroom closed |
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| [03:10:58] | kormoc: | sphery, there, that should prevent missing mysql extensions from going silent |
| [03:13:26] | sphery: | kormoc: thanks! |
| [03:13:36] | wagnerrp: | kormoc, you playes borderlands/general knoxx right? |
| [03:13:40] | sphery: | your PHP-foo is strong! |
| [03:13:45] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, Aye |
| [03:13:57] | kormoc: | sphery, hehe, all those years with chopsticks and flies |
| [03:14:08] | wagnerrp: | did you get the flash gordon reference? |
| [03:15:07] | kormoc: | I never got that far in it |
| [03:15:19] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [03:15:34] | wagnerrp: | theyve got an enemy, commander ajax, who has a rocket pack |
| [03:15:54] | kormoc: | nice |
| [03:16:23] | wagnerrp: | i saw that, chuckled, mentioned it in here... no one got it |
| [03:16:27] | wagnerrp: | i was disappointed |
| [03:16:56] | kormoc: | youngins! |
| [03:17:07] | kormoc: | They need to get off of our lawn |
| [03:17:23] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:17:41] | Beirdo: | I grew up with no TV. I have an excuse |
| [03:18:11] | Beirdo: | granted, a crappy one :) |
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| [03:24:17] | Beirdo: | now back to figuring out what eglibc's damage may be |
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| [03:46:26] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [03:46:47] | Beirdo: | why does mythcommflag need MythTranslation::load("mythfrontend")? |
| [03:46:54] | Beirdo: | that seems... weird |
| [03:57:15] | Captain_Murdoch: | maybe they're translating some of the strings that get written to the DB. I can't recall. |
| [03:58:03] | Beirdo: | probably, but it seems odd we'd load the frontend string s;) |
| [03:58:28] | wagnerrp: | with the HDPVR, you can 'cat /dev/video0' just like with IVTV cards, right? |
| [03:58:54] | Beirdo: | never tried |
| [03:59:04] | Beirdo: | and I can't right now as it's busy |
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| [04:24:02] | Beirdo: | sphery: trying something... make distclean... clean out .ccache |
| [04:24:13] | Beirdo: | let's see if it still wants to be stupid |
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| [04:24:33] | Beirdo: | I don't get why it's being petarded |
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| [04:27:58] | nutron: | Hmm, there's no real way to listen to radio via mythtv is there? |
| [04:28:32] | wagnerrp: | radio channels on TV bands, sure |
| [04:28:46] | wagnerrp: | FM/AM/DAB/... not really |
| [04:29:01] | nutron: | well yeah, but is there a plugin/interface for it? |
| [04:29:11] | wagnerrp: | there was a 3rd party one a while back |
| [04:29:27] | nutron: | :o there was? why did google fail me? |
| [04:29:30] | Beirdo: | your patches are awaited... or something |
| [04:30:01] | nutron: | oh :/ I'm not here etc... |
| [04:30:02] | nutron: | :P |
| [04:30:17] | nutron: | google didn't fail me, my typo skills did |
| [04:30:19] | Beirdo: | hehhe, those patches too |
| [04:30:27] | wagnerrp: | http://mythextra.napsi.net/mythFM.html |
| [04:30:46] | ** Beirdo gives this antenna the evil eye ** | |
| [04:31:00] | Beirdo: | work, you pain. |
| [04:31:16] | nutron: | "Oops! Google Chrome could not find mythextra.napsi.net" |
| [04:31:46] | wagnerrp: | and your hopes of a plugin go down with that error |
| [04:31:57] | nutron: | :s |
| [04:32:15] | wagnerrp: | thats the only recorded link to mythfm on the wiki |
| [04:33:03] | wagnerrp: | theres also an ugly mess of scripts which provide a hacked up XML menu |
| [04:33:19] | Beirdo: | so petarded |
| [04:33:22] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:33:28] | wagnerrp: | only works with ivtv cards with radios |
| [04:33:34] | nutron: | yeh, did that plugin ever make it into svn? i'd like to see if it's possible to graft the feature for the backend. |
| [04:33:51] | nutron: | I'd like to record certain radio shows :/ ... how geeky.. but I looooove my CBC |
| [04:34:00] | Beirdo: | CBC++ |
| [04:34:14] | wagnerrp: | know of anywhere that provides radio guide data? |
| [04:34:20] | Beirdo: | I listened to it online a lot when I was in PR |
| [04:34:21] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [04:34:28] | Beirdo: | publicradiofan.net |
| [04:34:31] | wagnerrp: | the on-demand nature generally precludes that |
| [04:34:34] | Beirdo: | or is it .com |
| [04:34:54] | wagnerrp: | !trout Beirdo fail |
| [04:34:54] | ** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a fail trout on behalf of wagnerrp... ** | |
| [04:35:14] | Beirdo: | and yes, I have something for myself that uses that to schedule recordings. |
| [04:35:36] | wagnerrp: | wgbh? i recognize those letters |
| [04:35:55] | Beirdo: | .com |
| [04:36:05] | wagnerrp: | yeah, .com |
| [04:36:12] | Beirdo: | granted, not all the links work either |
| [04:36:13] | wagnerrp: | dont know why i recognize them, apparently its in boston |
| [04:37:52] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:38:57] | nutron: | Hmm, yeah radio'd be sexy |
| [04:39:12] | nutron: | but hey, i'm in perl land atm, hopefully I can get out one day |
| [04:40:50] | wagnerrp: | hehehe... |
| [04:40:59] | wagnerrp: | apparently WAIF is in my city |
| [04:41:06] | wagnerrp: | run by a bunch of orphans no doubt |
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| [04:41:31] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [04:55:05] | nutron: | Beirdo: what do you use? it'd probably be easy to set up a public database due to the nature of repeating schedules on radio... though the actual problem with reruns would never be solved, i think it's a simple deal... but coding it may not be :P anyhoo, /m me on how you manage to get the schedule, as the ones i've looked at are in pdf format.. |
| [04:55:24] | wagnerrp: | sphery: http://gizmodo.com/5619997 |
| [04:55:40] | Beirdo: | all custom code |
| [04:55:53] | Beirdo: | and I use publicradiofan.com for scheduling. |
| [04:56:00] | Beirdo: | that is all I will say :) |
| [04:57:10] | nutron: | k |
| [04:58:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: nice |
| [05:00:23] | wagnerrp: | lets see if i can do this right... |
| [05:00:50] | wagnerrp: | more pictures here... http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanpalser/sets/72157623717376540 |
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| [05:18:33] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, yours? |
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| [05:31:54] | wagnerrp: | no, just something i found, and knew sphery played fallout |
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| [05:32:44] | Beirdo: | booooooooooo |
| [05:33:01] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [05:33:07] | Beirdo: | so my make distclean... no change |
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| [05:35:58] | Beirdo: | and I don't see why this ain't workin |
| [05:37:41] | wagnerrp: | ugh... |
| [05:37:54] | wagnerrp: | i want to start profiling my bindings, speed things up where i can |
| [05:38:05] | wagnerrp: | but ive only got a handful of entries on my trunk system |
| [05:38:21] | wagnerrp: | i cant upgrade my old database, because i cannot compile trunk |
| [05:38:30] | [R]: | so record crap |
| [05:38:38] | [R]: | tell it record every episode of cops |
| [05:38:38] | [R]: | :P |
| [05:38:54] | wagnerrp: | would take too long |
| [05:38:59] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:39:08] | Beirdo: | record Family Guy |
| [05:39:12] | Beirdo: | more fun to watch |
| [05:39:19] | wagnerrp: | suppose i could record a bunch of 1min segments of something |
| [05:39:25] | wagnerrp: | or just manually insert a bunch of garbage |
| [05:39:26] | kormoc: | power record title match % |
| [05:39:33] | Beirdo: | hheehe |
| [05:39:37] | Beirdo: | that should do it |
| [05:40:05] | ralyon: | I'm having video playback stuttering over UPNP on my ps3 with mp4 files. server is Ubuntu 10.4 with mythtv 0.23.0+fixes24158 installed. 3.1GB mpg rip from dvd plays back fine but the 900MB mp4 of the same file stutters over the network, but plays back fine off the local drive. |
| [05:40:31] | ralyon: | does anyone have an idea what might be causing this or where I might look to figure this out? |
| [05:40:32] | kormoc: | ralyon, or the ps3 can't playback that video format |
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| [05:41:42] | ralyon: | kormoc, I didn't think the ps3 had different compatibilities over upnp then local files? |
| [05:41:51] | wagnerrp: | well thats odd |
| [05:42:39] | tank-man: | "plays back fine off the local drive" meaning the ps3 internal drive? |
| [05:43:03] | ralyon: | I thought so as well, tried several different setting with handbrake for encoding, but they all stuttered about the same places while playing back on the network |
| [05:43:11] | ralyon: | tank, yes |
| [05:43:18] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff then |
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| [05:43:53] | ralyon: | kormoc, thanks for the thought though |
| [05:44:13] | tank-man: | ralyon, and it is stuttering when playing back over wifi? |
| [05:44:16] | Beirdo: | OK, I'm gonna hack the code... for now |
| [05:44:50] | Beirdo: | for my setup that is |
| [05:45:15] | ralyon: | I'm thinking it is a problem with mythtv upnp since there is no problem playing from the ps3 drive and the mpg more than 3 times its size has no problem streaming |
| [05:46:03] | Beirdo: | ralyon: what version of mythtv? |
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| [05:46:24] | ralyon: | 0.23.0+fixes24158 from the ubuntu repository |
| [05:46:33] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: this is a bit odd... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1923965 |
| [05:46:47] | Beirdo: | ralyon: hmm, K. |
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| [05:47:15] | wagnerrp: | if i add a fifth to start recording at 1:49, the last two entries would both list as 1:48 |
| [05:49:10] | AndyCap: | ralyon: oh, the ps3 won't play everything it plays from the harddrive over upnp |
| [05:49:11] | [R]: | i love how distro packages love their random nonsensical patches |
| [05:49:11] | kormoc: | interesting |
| [05:49:25] | wagnerrp: | ooh, a new on... 'this message written on an iphone at a bus stop or train station.' |
| [05:49:29] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, do you have post-padding or pre-padding? |
| [05:49:36] | wagnerrp: | hooray for grammer! |
| [05:49:47] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: nope, all defaults for a manual recording |
| [05:49:58] | wagnerrp: | just set the channel, starttime, and length |
| [05:50:40] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [05:50:44] | wagnerrp: | `startoffset` is `0` for all |
| [05:50:47] | ralyon: | Andy: it plays, just stutters every few seconds, more so with more complicated scenes like it was a bandwidth issue |
| [05:51:02] | kormoc: | and that's in the upcoming recording page? |
| [05:51:14] | wagnerrp: | recording schedules |
| [05:52:01] | And4713: | what? |
| [05:52:05] | And4713: | oh |
| [05:52:09] | wagnerrp: | who? |
| [05:52:26] | kormoc: | on first |
| [05:52:34] | And4713: | accidental bluetab |
| [05:52:35] | wagnerrp: | i dont know |
| [05:52:50] | ralyon: | [R]: what would be a more appropriate listing? |
| [05:53:00] | [R]: | ralyon: ? |
| [05:53:10] | ** And4713 vanishes in a cloud of pyrotechnics ** | |
| [05:53:11] | wagnerrp: | rather than their nonsensical patches |
| [05:53:18] | [R]: | huh? |
| [05:53:26] | wagnerrp: | the ones you love |
| [05:53:41] | [R]: | that stupid mythbuntu patch that they remove the shutdown/reboot options with |
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| [05:54:57] | ralyon: | [R]: are you thinking that they removed something that broke upnp functionality? |
| [05:55:15] | [R]: | ralyon: it was a rnaomd comment... ntohing about upnp |
| [05:55:23] | ralyon: | ;) |
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| [05:56:51] | ralyon: | does anyone think the problem might be from something else, or am I on the right track looking at myth's upnp? |
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| [05:57:02] | [R]: | try using another upnp server |
| [05:58:54] | ralyon: | I was thinking of ps3mediaserver as an alternative, but I'd prefer to have only one running. Is there a simple upnp server that does not do on the fly encode that you would recommend? |
| [05:59:06] | ralyon: | that I could test with? |
| [05:59:20] | [R]: | gmediaserver i think is one |
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| [06:00:42] | Beirdo: | !url lmgtfy unpn server linux |
| [06:00:42] | MythLogBot: | lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=unpn%20server%20linux |
| [06:00:45] | Beirdo: | err |
| [06:00:52] | Beirdo: | !url lmgtfy upnp server linux |
| [06:00:52] | MythLogBot: | lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=upnp%20server%20linux |
| [06:01:16] | ralyon: | ok, stupid question, is there going to be anything like port conflict running 2 upnp servers? |
| [06:01:39] | Beirdo: | doubt it |
| [06:05:23] | ralyon: | beirdo: and how many of those would I have to go through to find a "simple" one for testing that doesn't do otf encoding that someone here might know off the top of their head? |
| [06:05:57] | [R]: | [10:59:20] [R] gmediaserver i think is one |
| [06:06:12] | wagnerrp: | oh, yeah.... need to fix that on the upnp detection |
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| [06:06:52] | ralyon: | yes, thanks [R], I will give that a try and see if it performs any differently then mythtv's |
| [06:07:34] | ralyon: | wagnerrp, was that at me? |
| [06:07:50] | wagnerrp: | no, python bindings |
| [06:07:52] | wagnerrp: | port collision |
| [06:08:53] | Beirdo: | ralyon: by reading google the same as anyone here is likely to be doing |
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| [06:12:23] | ralyon: | beirdo: I'm simply asking [R] if he had a recommendation, not to go and find one for me. "No" is a perfectly acceptable answer if he did not |
| [06:13:22] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:13:50] | Beirdo: | dangit, stupid backend... why are you recording when I want to restart you? |
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| [06:21:49] | totalanni: | Anyone run mythtv on esxi with a hdhomerun? |
| [06:23:06] | wagnerrp: | why would you want to? |
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| [06:24:16] | totalanni: | 1 less server |
| [06:24:32] | totalanni: | lol |
| [06:24:48] | wagnerrp: | you cant run more than one application on a server? |
| [06:24:54] | totalanni: | O_o |
| [06:25:11] | totalanni: | esxi is vmware's baremetal virtualization |
| [06:25:22] | wagnerrp: | yes, i know what it is |
| [06:25:45] | totalanni: | and you can run as many guest vm's as your hardware can support |
| [06:26:04] | wagnerrp: | im just wondering why as a home user, you think you need to run a hypervisor |
| [06:26:16] | Beirdo: | another person that wants to virtualize something that's best run non-virtualized... |
| [06:26:17] | totalanni: | learning process i guess |
| [06:26:19] | wagnerrp: | the only reason to run a full VM is to allow you to run multiple different kernels |
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| [06:26:44] | totalanni: | and with a hdhomerun, what are the cons of virtualization? |
| [06:26:46] | totalanni: | im curious |
| [06:26:47] | wagnerrp: | if you dont need multiple kernels, there are a number of less intrusive, less overhead options |
| [06:26:54] | totalanni: | i have a homebuilt esxi server |
| [06:27:02] | totalanni: | and plan on getting a myth-tv setup |
| [06:27:10] | totalanni: | and was just considering using it |
| [06:27:20] | totalanni: | thats why im here...to hear this out... |
| [06:27:26] | totalanni: | now, where are my cons |
| [06:27:40] | wagnerrp: | with the HDHR, its network attached |
| [06:27:41] | totalanni: | i see that my cheap hardware doesnt have device mapping, so using pci captures are out |
| [06:28:00] | wagnerrp: | as long as you can communicate on the network, theres no problem |
| [06:28:02] | totalanni: | but im picking up a dual tuner hdhr for $50 tomorrow |
| [06:28:09] | totalanni: | and would like a fast solution |
| [06:28:09] | wagnerrp: | used? |
| [06:28:13] | totalanni: | yea |
| [06:28:50] | totalanni: | so, id like to record 2 streams while watching 1 |
| [06:29:01] | totalanni: | what type of memory requirement are we looking at? |
| [06:29:04] | wagnerrp: | watching one of the two? or a third? |
| [06:29:14] | totalanni: | hum...either? |
| [06:29:17] | kormoc: | You do realize that a HDHR doesn't give you very many channels likely |
| [06:29:18] | wagnerrp: | you dont intend to run your frontend under a VM do you? |
| [06:29:25] | totalanni: | no |
| [06:29:36] | Beirdo: | ooooh. |
| [06:29:45] | Beirdo: | I think I may have fixed my antenna. |
| [06:29:52] | wagnerrp: | then youre looking at maybe 50MB for the backend, plus whatever shared libraries it consumes |
| [06:29:55] | Beirdo: | works when the balcony door is closed |
| [06:30:04] | kormoc: | plus database |
| [06:30:08] | Beirdo: | doesn't work too well with it open |
| [06:30:08] | wagnerrp: | 512MB minimum, 1GB preferred |
| [06:30:11] | Beirdo: | crrrrap |
| [06:30:17] | totalanni: | kk |
| [06:30:51] | wagnerrp: | any database server will do, if youve got one set up, just add a new database to it, and point mythtv at it |
| [06:31:24] | Beirdo: | assuming it's MySQL |
| [06:31:26] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [06:31:37] | totalanni: | ty |
| [06:31:37] | wagnerrp: | there is that |
| [06:32:17] | totalanni: | so, you say that the hdhr wont pick up very many channels? |
| [06:32:26] | totalanni: | as in? not QAM? |
| [06:32:39] | Beirdo: | it will do QAM or OTA (ATSC) |
| [06:32:48] | wagnerrp: | http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/ |
| [06:32:59] | Beirdo: | but you may not get much unencrypted QAM, depending on cable carrier,e tc |
| [06:34:12] | totalanni: | not even seeing my cable co on the list |
| [06:34:33] | Beirdo: | whhhaaaa? |
| [06:34:37] | wagnerrp: | its populated by customers |
| [06:34:44] | Beirdo: | that's saying 7.1 is on like 5 channels. |
| [06:35:06] | wagnerrp: | so if there has been no HDHR user with your cableco, there will be no lineup for it |
| [06:36:53] | totalanni: | hum |
| [06:37:12] | totalanni: | i was under the impression that the hdhr also functioned like a normal capture card |
| [06:37:30] | Beirdo: | it will do QAM and ATSC |
| [06:37:32] | totalanni: | like plugging in a standard tv |
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| [06:38:36] | wagnerrp: | 'standard', meaning NTSC? tube? |
| [06:38:40] | totalanni: | yea |
| [06:38:48] | wagnerrp: | no, you wont get any of that |
| [06:39:06] | totalanni: | just the hd channels my hd gets? |
| [06:39:15] | totalanni: | that has -x# on them? |
| [06:39:16] | wagnerrp: | no, just the digital channels |
| [06:39:26] | wagnerrp: | resolution is irrelevent |
| [06:39:45] | totalanni: | i want to be able to record channels 4–60 |
| [06:39:49] | totalanni: | etc |
| [06:39:57] | totalanni: | not so concerned about the hd |
| [06:40:08] | wagnerrp: | the HDHR is a digital tuner |
| [06:40:10] | totalanni: | but thought it was gonna be nice |
| [06:40:13] | wagnerrp: | it will only receive digital channels |
| [06:40:17] | totalanni: | right |
| [06:40:23] | totalanni: | and not all cable channels are digital? |
| [06:40:38] | wagnerrp: | that depends on your provider |
| [06:40:50] | wagnerrp: | it will not be able to receive any channels that an 'old tube' TV picks up |
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| [06:41:21] | totalanni: | well, im good on that then |
| [06:41:33] | totalanni: | are there any other networked solutions like the hdhr? |
| [06:41:39] | kormoc: | no |
| [06:41:58] | totalanni: | back to building a box |
| [06:42:02] | wagnerrp: | netcorder or something like that, but thats european only |
| [06:42:19] | totalanni: | glad i stopped in |
| [06:42:29] | totalanni: | else i would have been disappointed |
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| [06:43:53] | totalanni: | Whats a good pci-e card that will do my reg tube chans plus HD? |
| [06:44:02] | totalanni: | as budget as possible |
| [06:44:05] | totalanni: | :-D |
| [06:44:19] | wagnerrp: | HVR-1850 or HVR-2250 |
| [06:44:29] | totalanni: | guess my frontend can become FE/BE |
| [06:44:39] | wagnerrp: | the 1850 has an unresolved driver issue that prevents mythtv from using its analog tuner |
| [06:44:48] | wagnerrp: | and the 2250 only has developmental analog support |
| [06:45:46] | totalanni: | so the 2250 would be the better choice? |
| [06:46:01] | kormoc: | for analog only, your better with a pci card like a pvr 150 or pvr 500 |
| [06:46:18] | totalanni: | my frontend doesnt have pci |
| [06:46:31] | totalanni: | just express |
| [06:46:40] | wagnerrp: | atom? |
| [06:46:42] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, are they all framegrabbers? |
| [06:46:43] | totalanni: | no |
| [06:47:07] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: those two cards are the only PCIe cards available (for NA) that are not framegrabbers |
| [06:47:10] | totalanni: | its a AMD X2 2.8 |
| [06:47:25] | totalanni: | with a cheap mobo |
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| [06:48:11] | wagnerrp: | mini-itx? |
| [06:48:42] | totalanni: | no |
| [06:48:49] | totalanni: | it has 1 full pci-e |
| [06:48:57] | totalanni: | and 3 smaller pci-e |
| [06:49:04] | totalanni: | and 1 mini pci-e |
| [06:49:17] | wagnerrp: | funky |
| [06:49:23] | totalanni: | was gonna drop a wireless-n in the mini pci-e |
| [06:50:13] | wagnerrp: | wired is always preferred for streaming video |
| [06:50:36] | wagnerrp: | mythtv uses minimal buffer, so wireless tends to not work well |
| [06:50:50] | totalanni: | ah |
| [06:50:51] | totalanni: | http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?d . . . duct=4234775 |
| [06:51:24] | totalanni: | ok |
| [06:51:49] | totalanni: | so, thats where i stand....if i have to buy a capture card like that...i would be forced to use that |
| [06:52:04] | totalanni: | the hdhr seemed too good to be true |
| [06:52:10] | totalanni: | damn |
| [06:52:34] | totalanni: | but i would like HD if possible |
| [06:53:05] | [R]: | too good? |
| [06:53:14] | [R]: | its hella expensive |
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| [06:53:32] | totalanni: | ? |
| [06:53:45] | [R]: | whats 'too good' about it? |
| [06:53:49] | totalanni: | they are like $60 on ebay for a single |
| [06:54:03] | totalanni: | and i thought id get all my basic cablee channels :( |
| [06:54:12] | [R]: | no, you only get whats on QAM |
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| [06:55:29] | totalanni: | i guess ill just hold off on the mythtv atm then |
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| [07:43:16] | ComradeHaz`: | Hi all. If I try to start frontend with a dvd in my drive it seeks the DVD (I can hear the laser moving about) and then fails to start the frontend. |
| [07:43:23] | ComradeHaz`: | Remove the DVD and it starts fine. |
| [07:44:57] | ComradeHaz`: | Ih, and then if I put the DVD back in again it crashes immediately. |
| [07:47:00] | justinh: | fwiw then, don't start mythfrontend with a dvd in the drive :) |
| [07:47:12] | ComradeHaz`: | See last point. |
| [07:47:32] | ComradeHaz`: | That's a bit of a bugger on a media centre |
| [07:47:52] | justinh: | it's probably something to do with the media monitoring. I can't remember where the settings are for that |
| [07:48:11] | ComradeHaz`: | Well, I just disabled that. |
| [07:48:39] | ComradeHaz`: | Does that require a backend restart to take effect? |
| [07:48:46] | justinh: | all that auto insert stuff just gets on my nerves anyway |
| [07:48:53] | justinh: | no, it's a frontend only setting |
| [07:49:13] | ComradeHaz`: | Well, essentially restarted it now then :D |
| [07:50:20] | justinh: | if you start mythfrontend from a terminal do you see any errors or other messages when you insert a disc? |
| [07:51:21] | ComradeHaz`: | Hmm, I think that it may have been the media monitor. |
| [07:51:39] | ComradeHaz`: | I disabled it and then put the cd in and it crashed |
| [07:51:41] | justinh: | I've seen at least one person with the same trouble |
| [07:51:59] | ComradeHaz`: | but I suspect the setting is not activated until a front end restart, as it's not doing it anymore... |
| [07:52:05] | justinh: | yup |
| [07:52:13] | ComradeHaz`: | *DVD |
| [07:52:22] | ComradeHaz`: | Odd :D |
| [07:55:05] | justinh: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8402 |
| [07:55:08] | justinh: | look familiar? |
| [07:55:33] | justinh: | from a terminal run mythfrontend --version |
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| [07:56:00] | justinh: | and if the number reported is lower than 24311 you need to update to a newer version |
| [07:58:01] | justinh: | I've got "MythTV Version : 25427" here |
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| [07:59:13] | justinh: | ugh. some moron on twitter asking if he can run mythtv on a series 1 or 2 tivo |
| [07:59:30] | justinh: | I thought that question had already been answered enough times already |
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| [08:38:12] | justinh: | and our survey said? |
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| [09:16:31] | justinh: | hmm what's this concordance-0.21.tar.bz I found? |
| [09:16:49] | justinh: | ahh *that* . Delete |
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| [09:45:10] | justinh: | if only there was a compatible CPU matrix for my laptop.. wonder how much I could get the fastest possible core2 chip for it for |
| [09:48:11] | justinh: | maybe there'll be a clue in the service manual |
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| [10:01:44] | justinh: | could try a t7800 CPU.. then if it doesn't work in the board my frontend will gain a 2.6Ghz C2D :) |
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| [11:53:05] | justinh: | beh. maybe even a C2D 2.6Ghz isn't enough for AVCHD editing :-\ |
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| [11:53:28] | justinh: | think I might just have to save some pennies & splurge on a quad core later in the year |
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| [12:34:58] | ThisOtherGuy: | Hi all – I've been using --enable-libfaad in trunk, but I noticed some commit messages which seem to suggest it's not needed any more – can anyone help me understand what it is and if I need it? |
| [12:35:39] | justinh: | I thought the comments on the commit explained it |
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| [12:40:05] | justinh: | ah I think if you need LATM support you still have to use the external libfaad |
| [12:40:25] | justinh: | LATM support will be coming back to mythtv soon though AFAIK it's being worked on |
| [12:41:46] | ThisOtherGuy: | do you know how I can determine if I need LATM support? |
| [12:42:40] | justinh: | if you use DVB in some parts of the world you need it |
| [12:42:51] | justinh: | most europe & NZ IIRC |
| [12:42:57] | justinh: | *mostly |
| [12:42:59] | ThisOtherGuy: | ah – so that's probably not me – thanks |
| [12:44:53] | justinh: | I could be wrong about the differences – hopefully somebody who knows for sure can jump in ;-) |
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| [13:29:49] | highzeth: | right you are, and so far only used via DVB-T afaik(atleast here in .no) |
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| [14:17:57] | justinh: | heh. webmin. mythweb. same diff huh? |
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| [14:19:39] | wagnerrp: | 'course |
| [14:25:56] | justinh: | prolly the same as webkit too.. I mean they've all got 'web' in the name |
| [14:34:12] | Azelphur: | does this mean mythweb is the web? :o |
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| [14:35:36] | wagnerrp: | no, thats a myth |
| [14:36:15] | Azelphur: | lol |
| [14:44:42] | jduggan: | like the female orgasm |
| [14:45:00] | jduggan: | sorry, that was a little inappropriate =] |
| [14:46:54] | iamlindoro: | funny, though ;) |
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| [15:09:13] | justinh: | how can something so fake be a myth? :-O |
| [15:09:26] | justinh: | oh, wait... |
| [15:10:07] | justinh: | hmm. this 8-way RJ45 block is proving a little tricky to remove from a board |
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| [15:19:15] | wagnerrp: | 'i took the couple of hours required to compile mythtv 0.23.1 from source'... |
| [15:19:23] | wagnerrp: | since when does mythtv take several hours? |
| [15:19:45] | wagnerrp: | it builds in << 1hr on my 5yr old opteron |
| [15:19:59] | wagnerrp: | and what does compiling from source have /anything/ to do with mythweb? |
| [15:20:09] | wagnerrp: | or webmin for that matter |
| [15:21:02] | iamlindoro: | ION ;) |
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| [15:23:27] | janneg: | building mythtv on an atom shouldn't take much more than an hour unless it has one of the slow (as in slower than a hdd) ssd |
| [15:23:55] | iamlindoro: | Just didn't want to pass up the chance to poke fun at Atoms ;) |
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| [15:25:33] | phil: | hiho |
| [15:26:34] | phil: | is it possible to change the sound upmixing to downmixing instead? |
| [15:27:22] | phil: | i need occasional downmixing if the record is AC-3 encoded |
| [15:27:42] | justinh: | what's the followup to the atom? proton? ;-) |
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| [15:28:00] | wagnerrp: | quark |
| [15:28:12] | wagnerrp: | (that one wouldnt be half bad...) |
| [15:28:13] | phil: | well, for a multi room setup this is not unusual |
| [15:29:15] | justinh: | thought you'd just need to set your number of speakers to '2' |
| [15:29:36] | phil: | for that i need to enter preferences |
| [15:29:57] | justinh: | and? |
| [15:30:00] | phil: | or can i add a shortcut for that and display it in the menu while playing |
| [15:30:09] | justinh: | no |
| [15:30:16] | wagnerrp: | you want to... dynamically change your speaker configuration during playback? |
| [15:30:18] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [15:30:44] | phil: | because if got 2 monitors, actually a projector and a monitor, with myth running |
| [15:30:46] | Gibby1313: | FYI, I should be hearing back from Accuweather on a TOA this week or next |
| [15:31:14] | justinh: | phil: and you chop & change between them? |
| [15:31:33] | phil: | if watching on the monitor the 5.1 of the receiver is totally overblown and the speaker geometry does not fit |
| [15:31:36] | justinh: | it'd be easier to make a script to run mythfrontend with the relevant options instead |
| [15:31:40] | phil: | justinh: yes, exactly |
| [15:31:52] | wagnerrp: | phil: but your audio is still run through the receiver? |
| [15:32:04] | phil: | no |
| [15:32:30] | phil: | one sound setup with the default alsa device doubles the sound output to the receiver and the monitor speakers |
| [15:32:33] | wagnerrp: | so you actually want to completely switch audio outputs? |
| [15:32:49] | phil: | the other is pass through and dolby digital |
| [15:32:51] | wagnerrp: | or do you go to the back of your machine and swap out cables? |
| [15:33:06] | justinh: | e.g. mythfrontend -O audio_option1=foo .. and mythfrontend -O audio_option1=bar :-) |
| [15:33:33] | wagnerrp: | best option would be to buy a receiver with a secondary audio zone |
| [15:33:36] | phil: | i want to switch "on AC3 files use SPDIF" to "on AC3 files downconvert to default alsa" behaviour |
| [15:33:37] | wagnerrp: | and switch to the second zone |
| [15:34:10] | phil: | wagnerrp: actually i've got one of those |
| [15:34:31] | phil: | but the monitor audio is coming from the pc, not the receiver |
| [15:35:13] | phil: | well, i know, the setup is somewhat complicated |
| [15:35:24] | wagnerrp: | basically, no... there is no mechanism for changing audio setup on-the-fly |
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| [15:36:03] | wagnerrp: | when you issue a settings flush on the backend, does that push it out to all the frontends as well? |
| [15:36:11] | wagnerrp: | i noticed it sends such a system event |
| [15:36:31] | phil: | i don't know how to do a settings flush |
| [15:36:52] | wagnerrp: | you could have a script that changes the necessary settings, issues a flush |
| [15:36:57] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Yes, I believe that gets propagated |
| [15:37:02] | phil: | but the receiver + monitor default is done through a special alsa config |
| [15:37:04] | wagnerrp: | but even then youll almost certainly have to back out of playback to the main menu |
| [15:38:17] | phil: | well, thats ok for me |
| [15:38:24] | phil: | how do i issue a flush? |
| [15:38:37] | phil: | the settings are in the config file i suppose |
| [15:38:44] | wagnerrp: | database |
| [15:39:24] | phil: | ok, then an sql statement |
| [15:39:32] | wagnerrp: | send '32 MESSAGE[]:[]CLEAR_SETTINGS_CACHE' to the backend |
| [15:39:42] | phil: | and how would i issue the "reread settings please"? |
| [15:40:09] | wagnerrp: | or run 'mythbackend --clearcache', which would do the same thing |
| [15:40:32] | phil: | not frontend? |
| [15:40:50] | wagnerrp: | no, there is no flush mechanism exposed through the telnet interface |
| [15:41:14] | wagnerrp: | you flush the master backend, and it propagates that signal to all connected SBEs and FEs |
| [15:41:31] | phil: | ok |
| [15:42:02] | phil: | how do i send the message? |
| [15:42:26] | phil: | well |
| [15:42:29] | phil: | hm |
| [15:42:45] | phil: | the clearcache seems way easier |
| [15:42:49] | phil: | thank you! |
| [15:43:55] | wagnerrp: | youre going to be doing DB edits |
| [15:44:03] | wagnerrp: | which means you /should/ be using the perl or python bindings |
| [15:44:12] | wagnerrp: | both of which allow you to issue commands over the backend protocol |
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| [15:44:45] | phil: | well it would be easier for me to just look at the database and create the sql by hand |
| [15:45:00] | phil: | i've got more experience with that than perl and python |
| [15:45:08] | wagnerrp: | actually, it would be vastly easier to use the python bindings |
| [15:45:22] | wagnerrp: | and the perl bindings, you are just giving it sql statements |
| [15:45:32] | wagnerrp: | with the advantage that it figured out where the database is located for you |
| [15:45:35] | phil: | i did not code a single line in python yet |
| [15:45:36] | wagnerrp: | instead of hard-coding it in some script |
| [15:45:58] | phil: | but did the backend of some serious db applications |
| [15:46:58] | wagnerrp: | say your frontend was named 'myfrontend', and you wanted to disable AC3 passthrough |
| [15:47:36] | wagnerrp: | with the python bindings you would do... 'import MythTV; db = MythTV.MythDB(); db.settings.myfrontend.AC3PassThru = False' |
| [15:47:58] | phil: | wow |
| [15:48:06] | phil: | thats actually impressive |
| [15:48:57] | phil: | can i do the flush in that too? |
| [15:53:27] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1924295 |
| [15:55:23] | wagnerrp: | just get rid of line 18, changed what i was going to do and forgot to delete that |
| [15:56:57] | phil: | thank you very much wagnerrp |
| [15:57:19] | phil: | neat! |
| [15:57:32] | wagnerrp: | if youre good with mysql, i assume you can diff a table dump on your own to see what actually needs to be changed |
| [15:58:00] | phil: | sure |
| [15:58:10] | phil: | i'd actually read it directly off the db |
| [15:58:29] | wagnerrp: | well you would have to know what settings to change, to know what you needed to change manually |
| [15:59:13] | wagnerrp: | not very easy to read through a several hundred line table manually, to see what is different |
| [15:59:19] | phil: | well |
| [15:59:38] | phil: | query db, grep? |
| [15:59:41] | wagnerrp: | or you could run the frontend with '-v database' to see what its changing directly |
| [15:59:48] | phil: | ok |
| [16:00:06] | wagnerrp: | i mean you set the frontend up for one mode, dump the table |
| [16:00:08] | phil: | thanks again, i'm a bit in a hurry right now |
| [16:00:11] | wagnerrp: | set the frontend up for the other mode, dump again |
| [16:00:17] | wagnerrp: | diff the dumps |
| [16:00:21] | phil: | i'll give you some feedback if you want me to |
| [16:00:25] | phil: | when it's done |
| [16:00:34] | wagnerrp: | to see what settings you need to change, and what you need to set them to to flip between them |
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| [16:03:03] | phil: | and when it works create a script triggered by lircd |
| [16:03:37] | phil: | well wait |
| [16:03:39] | phil: | damn |
| [16:03:44] | phil: | i'm running out of time |
| [16:04:17] | phil: | wagnerrp: i think you were here too when i asked for how to switch screens to display on |
| [16:04:41] | phil: | could i in the very same way change geometry and xineramadisplay settings too? |
| [16:04:50] | phil: | that would be awesome |
| [16:04:59] | wagnerrp: | youll have to seek external help for that |
| [16:05:25] | phil: | i could invoke a restart through lirc too |
| [16:06:22] | phil: | what would be left when switching from monitor to projector is navigating back to the movie |
| [16:06:41] | phil: | a little automated bookmark.. hmm |
| [16:08:49] | phil: | well i'm seriously too late already, thanks for help, i'll come back to the topic later on, if thats alright with you |
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| [17:00:34] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Wonder if it might be nice to use "friendly" .app names on OS X |
| [17:01:05] | iamlindoro: | ie "MythTV Backend" vs. MythBackend, "MythTV Setup" vs. "mythtv-setup", etc. |
| [17:01:06] | kormoc: | Like? |
| [17:01:09] | kormoc: | Ahh |
| [17:01:21] | kormoc: | IIRC there was issues with spaces in the build scripts |
| [17:01:24] | iamlindoro: | obviously a totally trivial thing |
| [17:01:26] | iamlindoro: | ah |
| [17:01:46] | kormoc: | I know if you build in say /Users/kormoc/OS X Build/ it fails entirely |
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| [17:02:38] | kormoc: | but yeah, I agree with ya, should mention it to nigel and see what he thinks, as he should know if it's doable or not |
| [17:03:15] | iamlindoro: | Wish OS X offered some sort of capture API |
| [17:03:20] | iamlindoro: | it would be a lot more compelling as a backend |
| [17:03:42] | iamlindoro: | TTBOMK guys like EyeTV etc. just implement their own |
| [17:08:37] | iamlindoro: | hmm, looks like the script needs to be updated to grab the python and perl deps too |
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| [17:17:30] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, yeah, the FE is getting *much* better |
| [17:19:10] | wagnerrp: | ive never liked executables with spaces, or really caps for that matter |
| [17:19:35] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, well, they're not really executables |
| [17:19:39] | kormoc: | just bundle names |
| [17:19:54] | kormoc: | the executable is in bundle.app/contents/macosx/blah iirc |
| [17:20:03] | wagnerrp: | oh... youre only talking about the osx names |
| [17:20:09] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [17:20:12] | wagnerrp: | this is how it shows up in Finder or something |
| [17:20:18] | kormoc: | yeah |
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| [17:26:42] | ke^: | any change to get support ? |
| [17:27:13] | wagnerrp: | yes, we support add much |
| [17:29:20] | tank-man: | charge for support? |
| [17:29:33] | ke^: | hmm |
| [17:30:23] | ke^: | Is there any way to change the default crop video filter value. Its now 16 pixels but i dont want that much |
| [17:32:11] | wagnerrp: | not many people actually use the video filters, so you may be waiting around a while for someone with experience with them |
| [17:33:11] | ke^: | well i dont use it either while playing i need to use it while running transcode and crop some pixels away from upper area of the picture. |
| [17:33:45] | wagnerrp: | for transcoding, crops must be done at 16-pixel intervals |
| [17:33:52] | wagnerrp: | due to limitations in the codecs |
| [17:34:14] | wagnerrp: | same reason why 1080p video is actually 1920x1088 |
| [17:34:14] | ke^: | great |
| [17:34:28] | ke^: | is there any way to crop that smaller area away ? |
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| [17:40:44] | AndyCap: | crop to 1072? :P |
| [17:40:55] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Is current trunk building on OS X for you? I am seeing a build issue that is probably my fault, but is several weeks old |
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| [17:42:48] | ke^: | the picture is 576i |
| [17:42:52] | ke^: | so not 1072 |
| [17:44:37] | ke^: | video is recorded from local tv broadcaster and its recorded in resolution 768x576 |
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| [17:46:27] | ke^: | and its in mpeg2 format |
| [17:46:44] | wagnerrp: | this is a digital recording? or something from an ivtv card? |
| [17:47:01] | ke^: | digital recording |
| [17:47:28] | wagnerrp: | 768 wide is just... odd |
| [17:47:35] | ke^: | common finnish broabcast from channel subtv |
| [17:47:42] | ke^: | dvb-t |
| [17:48:01] | ke^: | dunno what resolution the use in other countries |
| [17:48:14] | ke^: | in finland we have this wide :\ |
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| [17:56:29] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, all except mythmusic/mythplugins |
| [17:56:37] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Weird... that on 10.6? |
| [17:56:44] | kormoc: | Yes |
| [17:56:56] | iamlindoro: | OK, gonna nuke my build dir and try again, maybe it's old cruft |
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| [18:00:12] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAA |
| [18:00:40] | wagnerrp: | you can choose various encodings for python source files |
| [18:00:45] | wagnerrp: | including, apparently, 'rot13' |
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| [18:02:11] | iamlindoro: | Security through not-really-obscurity! |
| [18:03:01] | kormoc: | Yeah, I use ROT26, cause ROT13 has been broken, dontcha know |
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| [18:05:51] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: any chance you'd give me gcc --version from your OS X box? |
| [18:07:10] | kormoc: | i686-apple-darwin10-gcc-4.2.1 (GCC) 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5664) |
| [18:07:39] | kormoc: | ./osx-packager.pl -enable-backend -enable-jobtools -pluginskip |
| [18:08:03] | iamlindoro: | so strange... |
| [18:08:14] | iamlindoro: | I am running without args, but with same gcc, and seeing build failures with libdvd* |
| [18:08:26] | iamlindoro: | Oh, are you building backend only? |
| [18:08:37] | kormoc: | Nah, I am building the frontend |
| [18:08:40] | iamlindoro: | hmmm |
| [18:09:19] | iamlindoro: | Well, let's nuke this source, then |
| [18:09:32] | iamlindoro: | Fixes were still worthwhile, even if it is a local issue |
| [18:10:54] | iamlindoro: | I need to spend the time to diff every single file against upstream and see where we diverge, and why, and start submitting things upstream where they make sense. Does not sound like a good time, though |
| [18:11:14] | iamlindoro: | I can't for the life of me figure out why certain things never got submitted, though |
| [18:11:24] | iamlindoro: | s/certain things/anything/ |
| [18:21:35] | ke^: | http://www.mythtv.info/wiki/Feature_Wishlist_ . . . nd_Addons%29 seems to me that cropping isnt workign well enough either way yet :\ ? |
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| [18:41:19] | GreyFoxx: | dmesg | head -1 |
| [18:41:20] | GreyFoxx: | Linux version 2.2.13 (root@darkstar) (gcc version egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release)) #10 Tue Mar 14 16:04:46 AST 2000 |
| [18:41:32] | GreyFoxx: | It scares me that this has been up and serving webpages all this time :) |
| [18:42:21] | wagnerrp: | 2.2? wow |
| [18:42:34] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
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| [18:43:33] | wagnerrp: | is that at home? or a co-loc? |
| [18:44:16] | GreyFoxx: | a remote customer who contacted us to do remote maintenance on the box |
| [18:44:32] | wagnerrp: | what kind of uptime does that beast have? |
| [18:44:46] | GreyFoxx: | Crappy, they loose power a lot :) |
| [18:44:57] | wagnerrp: | dual p3? |
| [18:45:16] | GreyFoxx: | It's in the middle of BF nowhere covered in snow and on the other end of a satellite link |
| [18:45:26] | GreyFoxx: | celeron 450 :) |
| [18:45:42] | wagnerrp: | covered in snow |
| [18:45:51] | wagnerrp: | that would explain why it didnt fail when the fans gave out five years ago |
| [18:46:01] | GreyFoxx: | It's a place that has a LOT of snow most of the year |
| [18:46:26] | GreyFoxx: | the entire dmesg is like 30 lines long heh |
| [18:47:17] | GreyFoxx: | funny thing is.... I set this box up back in 2000 and shipped it to them. It looks like it's had practically no maintenance since then :) |
| [18:49:49] | jduggan: | what does the box do? |
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| [18:54:51] | wagnerrp: | sphery: why is our user base insane? |
| [18:54:58] | Wicked: | what kinda uptime? |
| [18:55:13] | Wicked: | ah. i see now |
| [18:55:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, good question |
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| [18:55:28] | Wicked: | oh wait. |
| [18:55:34] | sphery: | note how good I did at not dissing atom in my post |
| [18:55:42] | sphery: | but someone did take my suggestion and perverted it |
| [18:56:14] | sphery: | since a low-TDP Core 2 Duo would work at similar power to an atom system--especially if it only runs 2hrs/day or so |
| [18:56:30] | sphery: | especially those new ones you linked a while back |
| [18:57:23] | GreyFoxx: | jdugg: It's a webserver, previously was also their mail server but now just web :) |
| [18:57:27] | GreyFoxx: | +mysql |
| [18:57:34] | GreyFoxx: | something also ancient I'm sure |
| [18:57:42] | wagnerrp: | i dont think those processors are in production yet |
| [18:57:45] | ke^: | sphery: you saying that core 2 duo drains similar much power vs atom ? |
| [18:57:49] | ke^: | dont think so :\ |
| [18:58:08] | wagnerrp: | ke^: at 10% duty cycle? certainly |
| [18:58:27] | ke^: | well maybe cpu does but you have to count all other parts too. And atoms are usually built in low power consumption system. |
| [18:58:43] | Wicked: | GreyFoxx, how many day uptime? |
| [18:58:49] | wagnerrp: | our C2D compute nodes idle in the 40s, and are under load in the 70s |
| [18:59:07] | wagnerrp: | with not significant effort, you could drop that another 30% |
| [18:59:15] | sphery: | ke^: I'm saying that a Core 2 Duo system, properly designed, will use similar power to an atom |
| [18:59:16] | wagnerrp: | with i5s, you can get down into the 20s |
| [18:59:24] | sphery: | i.e. system power usage != CPU power usage |
| [18:59:29] | wagnerrp: | remember, these are desktop atoms were talking about |
| [18:59:35] | wagnerrp: | the atom itself might not use much |
| [18:59:43] | wagnerrp: | but the rest of the motherboard and video uses a ton |
| [19:00:46] | sphery: | ke^: case in point, the 25W Mac Mini with a Core 2 Duo (or isn't the 2010 model an 18W system?) |
| [19:00:54] | wagnerrp: | 18W i believe |
| [19:00:59] | ke^: | my point were that whole system still eats lots of power so.. |
| [19:01:07] | wagnerrp: | no, it doesnt |
| [19:01:12] | sphery: | plus, see (these /old/ articles): http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/25w-performance-pc,2551.html http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-e7200-g31,2039.html http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-ato . . . cy,2069.html |
| [19:01:17] | sphery: | 18W is /not/ lots of power |
| [19:01:26] | ke^: | well i have this zotac ion itx which im very happy with |
| [19:01:28] | wagnerrp: | when you look at the duty cycle these things will be running |
| [19:01:44] | sphery: | ke^: and for those who'd prefer to pay extra and get less, Atom is the perfect choice :) |
| [19:01:46] | wagnerrp: | youre talking << $1 year extra to run a real processor instead of an atom |
| [19:01:51] | ke^: | but could i get more compute power if id buy that c2d version and still have low power consumption ? |
| [19:02:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and that's if you run it all the time |
| [19:02:03] | sphery: | at 2hrs/day... |
| [19:02:12] | wagnerrp: | yes, shutdown or standby when not in use |
| [19:02:20] | GreyFoxx: | Wicked: At one point it was several years, but they have massive problems with power outages which go way past their UPS's so it's uptime is rarely more than a few months at a time |
| [19:02:48] | wagnerrp: | those systems all use the same amount when turned off |
| [19:02:53] | Wicked: | GreyFoxx, ah. |
| [19:02:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, so true! |
| [19:03:51] | wagnerrp: | and i dont understand these HDMI->CAT6 adapters at all |
| [19:04:05] | wagnerrp: | youre trading one twisted pair cable for another |
| [19:04:36] | wagnerrp: | and for that matter, a 10gbps rated cable for a pair of 2gbps rated cables |
| [19:05:41] | sphery: | ke^: Basically, IMHO, the difference is that Atom chips/systems are low-power-without-having-to-do-the-research/design. You can do well using a real CPU if you know what you're doing (or pay Apple to do it for you). I'm just very anti-Atom because it can't do things that computers should be able to do (like compute :). Unfortunately, marketing talks them up and how "green" they are, but if you look past the facade, there's so ... |
| [19:05:47] | sphery: | ... much more to the story than Intel wants us to know. |
| [19:06:13] | wagnerrp: | if you look at performance-per-watt... thayre actually pretty awful |
| [19:06:27] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [19:12:02] | ke^: | sphery: well thats true that they suck at computing but thats why i have thing like nvidia ion so i can play those videos that i intended my htpc to do. |
| [19:12:46] | wagnerrp: | ke^: and if you want to play anything in flash, or anything using a codec not supported by VDPAU, or even any bitstream with errors that VDPAU cannot handle, youre boned |
| [19:12:49] | wagnerrp: | nothing to fall back on |
| [19:12:49] | sphery: | yeah, as long as nvidia knows how to play them :) and, maybe once Adobe decides to support vdpau on Linux |
| [19:12:51] | ke^: | But could i get better power effiency against the speed if upgrade to lets say Zotac H55ITX-A-E |
| [19:12:54] | iamlindoro: | *Up to the codec, profile, bitrate, and deinterlacing limitations of the video hardware, as defined by closed source drivers, so long as thorse drivers are provided/updated |
| [19:13:13] | ke^: | which is lga775 board with mini-itx i dont think so |
| [19:13:47] | ke^: | test shows that it does idle in 52–61 with corei3 and corei5 |
| [19:13:48] | wagnerrp: | ke^: yes, you could easily get that system down into the ~20W range |
| [19:14:00] | sphery: | iamlindoro: So, I finally figured out why I so hate hardware /decode/ but I love hardware /encode/... It's exactly that reason--encode means one input to one output. Decode has to deal with hugely varied inputs (that may not be completely compliant with specs, etc.) |
| [19:14:10] | sphery: | so, basically, it's all just a matter of trust |
| [19:14:29] | wagnerrp: | http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/25w-performance-pc,2551.html |
| [19:14:35] | ke^: | well ya i know that my playback depends now on vdpau but as far as what i have seen it begins to work allright. |
| [19:14:46] | iamlindoro: | I am told that the nVidia engineers attend church every Sunday, and help old ladies across the street |
| [19:14:52] | wagnerrp: | thats with a larger, more capable board |
| [19:15:11] | wagnerrp: | and a CPU capable of decoding just about anything you might want to throw at it in software |
| [19:15:24] | ke^: | wagnerrp: and hows that if the didnt managed to do it even in review of bit-tech ? |
| [19:15:38] | ke^: | they |
| [19:15:49] | wagnerrp: | are you asking for disparaging remarks against the bit-tech people? |
| [19:15:58] | ke^: | http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/motherboards . . . ard-review/9 |
| [19:17:38] | wagnerrp: | like i said, our systems at work run low 40s without trying |
| [19:18:04] | ke^: | i dont disparage bit-tech test but you said that i could get around 20w idle power consumption with this board while even in bit-tech test they get around 52w |
| [19:18:06] | wagnerrp: | and thats with an ampmeter on the wire |
| [19:18:12] | johnnyj: | iamlindoro: ha – re: nVidia engineers |
| [19:18:20] | sphery: | and, as wagnerrp pointed out just a couple days ago, the difference gets smaller: http://gizmodo.com/5613237 |
| [19:19:01] | ke^: | well dont remember that it were much of possible when i bought my zotac in 2009 :\ |
| [19:19:08] | wagnerrp: | ke^: the reason their power draw is so high is because they shoved a Radeon HD 5870 in there |
| [19:19:11] | sphery: | those 35W TDP Core i5/i3 chips are nice chips |
| [19:19:56] | wagnerrp: | as compared to sticking with onboard graphics on the ION systems or tomshardware review |
| [19:20:18] | sphery: | heh, the 5870 is a 225W card, right? |
| [19:20:32] | wagnerrp: | theyre also using a 750W power supply |
| [19:20:37] | sphery: | Maximum board power: 188 Watts; Idle board power: 27 Watts |
| [19:20:37] | ke^: | are there any ion based boards on market that has lga775 ? |
| [19:20:42] | ke^: | think not :\ |
| [19:20:43] | wagnerrp: | PSU efficiency is abysmal at 5% draw |
| [19:21:11] | ke^: | or any chips that can be compared as one ion |
| [19:21:45] | ke^: | well didnt check did they use gpu on that test :\ |
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| [19:22:17] | wagnerrp: | http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/2928 |
| [19:22:26] | wagnerrp: | there you go... S775 board with an ION system |
| [19:22:36] | ke^: | ty |
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| [19:23:38] | sphery: | So, apple says 10W idle and 85W max for 2010 mac mini: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3468 |
| [19:23:55] | ke^: | well theres one problem too my system must fit in case on mini-itx |
| [19:24:05] | wagnerrp: | ke^: you ask for too much |
| [19:24:17] | ke^: | wagnerrp: well no i dont |
| [19:24:20] | wagnerrp: | 'ION' requires an nvidia 9400M with a soldered Atom chip |
| [19:24:28] | sphery: | could you fit a mac mini case inside a mini-itx case? |
| [19:24:29] | wagnerrp: | which means if you want a socket 775 atom |
| [19:24:37] | wagnerrp: | you by definition have two systems on a single motherboard |
| [19:24:48] | ke^: | i have zotac ion that fits in mini-itx and has power to play h264 videos hardware decoding by vdpau |
| [19:24:58] | ke^: | and has very low powerconsumption |
| [19:24:59] | wagnerrp: | you simply cant do that on a single mini-itx board |
| [19:25:13] | iamlindoro: | s/powerconsumption/power/ |
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| [19:25:41] | ke^: | thou it lacks ability to play some 3d games like fretsonfire but im not buying new system for that case :\ |
| [19:25:45] | sphery: | if you figure you'd still use vdpau when possible, you'd be close to that 10W when decoding even h.264 |
| [19:25:54] | sphery: | so how much does an atom shave off that 11W? |
| [19:26:29] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: that is a cool mobo :) |
| [19:26:38] | ke^: | i dont know about that. |
| [19:26:43] | sphery: | er, 10W |
| [19:27:16] | Beirdo: | that would be fun to play with |
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| [19:29:12] | Beirdo: | two PCs on one mobo |
| [19:30:03] | Beirdo: | sphery would love it... atom FTW :) |
| [19:30:08] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:32:32] | iamlindoro: | Ooh, LOST Season 6 and complete collection on Blu-ray today |
| [19:33:05] | totalanni: | wow u guys shot down my dreams about the hdhr last night |
| [19:33:06] | wagnerrp: | only what... $300? |
| [19:33:15] | totalanni: | ty for not letting me waste $$ |
| [19:33:16] | wagnerrp: | totalanni: its a great tuner for broadcast tv |
| [19:33:26] | totalanni: | seems that way |
| [19:33:33] | wagnerrp: | but your mileage may vary with cable |
| [19:33:40] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: MSRP $279, I'm guessing street of ~$229? |
| [19:33:41] | Beirdo: | hehe. only $399US |
| [19:33:44] | totalanni: | wagnerrp: i dug up a old intel core 2 duo 1.8ghz |
| [19:33:49] | totalanni: | that has some pci slots on it |
| [19:33:51] | Beirdo: | I think I'll go with two computers |
| [19:33:53] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: $195 at Amazon |
| [19:34:00] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: hrm? |
| [19:34:05] | totalanni: | could u suggest me a good ntsc/hd card? |
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| [19:34:08] | iamlindoro: | Where did you find *what* number? Canada? |
| [19:34:10] | totalanni: | that i can throw on a budget |
| [19:34:21] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: that's in the frigging video :) |
| [19:34:31] | wagnerrp: | PCI? HVR-1600... PCIe? HVR-2250 |
| [19:34:32] | Beirdo: | their MSRP is $399 |
| [19:34:32] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: oh, the motherboard |
| [19:34:39] | Beirdo: | yeah, the motherboard :) |
| [19:34:44] | totalanni: | wagnerrp: id rather do the pcie |
| [19:34:45] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: Way to chime back in as we're talking about the price of something else :P |
| [19:34:51] | totalanni: | but didnt u say the hvr-2250 had probs |
| [19:34:52] | totalanni: | with hd? |
| [19:34:53] | wagnerrp: | or if you can deal with multiple cards, grab an old PVR-150/500 off ebay |
| [19:34:59] | totalanni: | and id only get ntsc |
| [19:35:04] | wagnerrp: | and any digital tuner you want |
| [19:35:05] | Beirdo: | heheh |
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| [19:35:08] | Beirdo: | sorrrry |
| [19:35:12] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [19:35:16] | wagnerrp: | no, both the 1800/1850 and 2250 support digital just fine |
| [19:35:35] | totalanni: | so the 2250 is a one solution card |
| [19:35:44] | wagnerrp: | the 1850 supports analog under linux, but there are issues with the driver that prevent it from working with mythtv |
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| [19:35:50] | totalanni: | ic |
| [19:35:56] | wagnerrp: | the 2250 only recent got analog support under linux about a month ago |
| [19:36:07] | totalanni: | ill add the 2250 to my ebay watch list then |
| [19:36:13] | wagnerrp: | the developer comes around here every so often |
| [19:36:30] | wagnerrp: | said it was working under mythtv a few weeks ago, but was looking for people to help test it |
| [19:36:33] | wagnerrp: | !seen stoth |
| [19:36:33] | MythLogBot: | stoth was last seen 4 days 9 hours 32 minutes 13 seconds ago |
| [19:36:45] | iamlindoro: | !seen devinheitmuller |
| [19:36:45] | MythLogBot: | devinheitmuller has not been seen here |
| [19:36:52] | iamlindoro: | whattt |
| [19:36:54] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [19:36:56] | Beirdo: | btw, wagnerrp... prices of electronics in Canada is often nearly on par with the US, even with the different currencies |
| [19:37:12] | Beirdo: | likely a typo |
| [19:37:16] | iamlindoro: | !seen devinheitmueller |
| [19:37:16] | MythLogBot: | devinheitmueller was last seen 1 day 16 hours 27 minutes 29 seconds ago |
| [19:37:20] | iamlindoro: | slackers |
| [19:37:22] | Beirdo: | there we go |
| [19:37:23] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: ok... ? |
| [19:37:41] | Beirdo: | oh sorry, that was to iamlindoro |
| [19:37:45] | Beirdo: | I suck :) |
| [19:37:59] | Beirdo: | I'm gonna crawl back into my hole with a pot of coffee |
| [19:38:00] | totalanni: | looked into getting a vt-d setup so i could virtualize and pass pci to hosts |
| [19:38:18] | totalanni: | but droppin a G on a backend seems abit stupid ;) |
| [19:38:36] | wagnerrp: | totalanni: as with yesterday, theres little to no point to even bother with virtualization and mythtv |
| [19:38:37] | Beirdo: | asus stupid too |
| [19:38:47] | ke^: | yah nice board but i have to wait for prices to get down. First of all that board werent even released when i bought my ion board. well it would definitely be faster and better than this ion board but money is the thing that controls everything :P |
| [19:39:03] | wagnerrp: | even though you could simply spend ~$100 on a new processor to get vt-d on that system |
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| [19:39:08] | totalanni: | no |
| [19:39:20] | totalanni: | id need a mobo as well |
| [19:39:22] | wagnerrp: | ke^: my mentioning that board was meant somewhat as a joke |
| [19:39:38] | wagnerrp: | you asked for an LGA775 ION system |
| [19:39:38] | totalanni: | iv seen some of the quad core intels have it |
| [19:39:40] | Beirdo: | hahahahah |
| [19:39:50] | wagnerrp: | the only way you can pull that off is to literally have two systems on a single board |
| [19:39:58] | Beirdo: | my 4-way amp/splitter... UPS has it "out for delivery". |
| [19:40:02] | Beirdo: | in Dallas, TX |
| [19:40:16] | Beirdo: | ummm, people, that's an awful long delivery run! |
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| [19:48:21] | ke^: | wagnerrp: ya i see that you found one. But i talked about this |
| [19:48:23] | ke^: | Zotac H55ITX |
| [19:48:54] | ke^: | which im interested of. Didnt know that intel released new chip. :\ h55 |
| [19:51:48] | wagnerrp: | newegg changed their website design... i dont like it |
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| [20:01:59] | AndyCap: | Beirdo: next you'll see it delivered without a signature. :P |
| [20:02:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm sure I'll regret that post. :) |
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| [20:02:47] | sphery: | I just sent a reply with my thoughts on atom |
| [20:03:08] | wagnerrp: | why you always hatin' on the atoms |
| [20:03:12] | Beirdo: | AndyCap: yeah, then Amazon will send me another, I'm sure :) |
| [20:03:33] | sphery: | but I 'fessed up to being an Atom-hater |
| [20:03:36] | Beirdo: | sphery: Atoms are a part of the structure of everything... you should love atoms :0 |
| [20:03:42] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:03:56] | sphery: | Beirdo: maybe I disavow the existence of atoms |
| [20:04:17] | sphery: | and they're just a simplistic model used by chemists who don't understand String/M-theory |
| [20:04:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:04:35] | sphery: | (or maybe I'm talking about a different kind of Atom :) |
| [20:04:36] | Beirdo: | you're insane :) |
| [20:04:46] | Beirdo: | but it's fun being insane :) |
| [20:05:02] | sphery: | yeah, I dislike String/M-theory almost as much as I dislike Atom :) |
| [20:06:14] | sphery: | at least kormoc will like my "Atom is a marketing ploy, and proper design--like the Apple Mac Mini--gives all the benefits of Atom without the disadvantages" post |
| [20:06:43] | Beirdo: | Atom-hater :) |
| [20:06:52] | Beirdo: | Atoms have their place |
| [20:07:05] | Beirdo: | machines that need to crunch video... not really their place |
| [20:07:05] | sphery: | yeah, I'll admit there are places where they're not bad |
| [20:07:07] | wagnerrp: | well to be fair, they are generally pretty cheap |
| [20:07:09] | sphery: | like a firewall |
| [20:07:10] | iamlindoro: | like a dumpster? |
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| [20:07:28] | sphery: | but then again, if I really wanted low power without tons of compute, I'd probably go ARM |
| [20:07:31] | Beirdo: | for frontend only with ION... Atom's not that bad, i'd think |
| [20:07:34] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:07:41] | Beirdo: | for sure, ARM++ :) |
| [20:07:44] | sphery: | though I hear some EEs hate the ARM design and could design it better themselves :) |
| [20:07:58] | Beirdo: | which ARM design? |
| [20:08:04] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [20:08:11] | sphery: | it was a comment iamlindoro overheard at work |
| [20:08:15] | iamlindoro: | sphery: In fairness, he *did* design the Roku box |
| [20:08:18] | Beirdo: | the ARM is a series of some well-designed and some HORRIBLY designed chips |
| [20:08:19] | sphery: | nice |
| [20:08:23] | kormoc: | sphery, here here! :P |
| [20:08:30] | iamlindoro: | and it's still better than his DAILY rants agains open source |
| [20:08:49] | sphery: | how could someone be against open source? |
| [20:08:54] | sphery: | if you don't want it, don't use it |
| [20:09:00] | sphery: | you're Free to choose that, too |
| [20:09:05] | iamlindoro: | He is totally clueless as to what the licesnes actually mean |
| [20:09:08] | iamlindoro: | er licenses |
| [20:09:27] | sphery: | probably drinking from the MS font of FOSS knowledge |
| [20:09:33] | Beirdo: | license under the WTF1.0 license |
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| [20:09:53] | iamlindoro: | His blanket understanding of open source is if you use it in your product, the whole thing needs to be free/open source |
| [20:10:11] | iamlindoro: | which is obviously completely bats**t crazy wrong |
| [20:10:38] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:10:52] | Beirdo: | sphery: have a response :) |
| [20:11:11] | sphery: | already? |
| [20:11:14] | sphery: | that was fast |
| [20:11:29] | sphery: | woah, 3 responses under mine |
| [20:11:58] | sphery: | I still have to catch up on the responses to his "which system" question that were written while I was composing my manifesto |
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| [20:12:16] | Beirdo: | you mein kampf ;0 |
| [20:12:24] | Beirdo: | your... rather |
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| [20:18:13] | sphery: | Beirdo: heh, a molecule :) |
| [20:18:35] | wagnerrp: | wow... four replies already |
| [20:18:40] | Beirdo: | I HAVE to be a smart-alec at times, ya know :) |
| [20:18:40] | wagnerrp: | you really stirred up the nest |
| [20:19:40] | Beirdo: | you apple fan-boy :) |
| [20:19:41] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:20:19] | wagnerrp: | and none of them were negative... what has happened here? |
| [20:21:04] | Beirdo: | I'm not gonna fight ya. |
| [20:21:15] | wagnerrp: | def fight!!! |
| [20:21:17] | Beirdo: | Atoms are fun toys, and they do a lot of things well. |
| [20:21:30] | Beirdo: | but video/audio processing? not on that list :) |
| [20:21:31] | wagnerrp: | video processing not included |
| [20:21:56] | Beirdo: | so withouth VDPAU or *maybe* VAAPI, they are useless for myth |
| [20:22:11] | Beirdo: | so far, the jury's out on VAAPI. :) |
| [20:22:51] | Beirdo: | my GMA500 box was giving odd issues, but I ran outta energy to track it down, and it took almost all day to redo the vaapi patch to compile anyways |
| [20:23:54] | sphery: | glad you got it compiling, though |
| [20:24:10] | sphery: | that will help markk out next time he looks at it |
| [20:24:13] | Beirdo: | yeah, I need to feed my workarounds back to markk |
| [20:24:24] | Beirdo: | some of them may not have been the "right" way :0 |
| [20:24:47] | sphery: | well, if nothing else, they'll point out the parts that he needs to change |
| [20:24:53] | Beirdo: | but with everything constantly shifting the way it is... hard to say until he has time to tweak it and retest with his setups |
| [20:25:02] | sphery: | (assuming you give a diff on top of his--or that he can diff your complete diff) |
| [20:25:13] | Beirdo: | I can do either/or |
| [20:25:23] | sphery: | so, it's a(n?) historic day... |
| [20:25:26] | Beirdo: | git is my friend |
| [20:25:28] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:25:30] | sphery: | I have more kudos than iamlindoro |
| [20:25:48] | iamlindoro: | in so many ways |
| [20:26:19] | sphery: | him (at a measly 1): http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv/contributors and me (way back on page 3) with 7: http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv/contributors?page=3 |
| [20:26:45] | Beirdo: | I think I only have 2 |
| [20:26:46] | sphery: | I've always wondered why ohloh and svnsearch commit totals differ |
| [20:27:06] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Even "no author" has 7 kudos |
| [20:27:07] | iamlindoro: | sheesh |
| [20:27:17] | btwe is now known as btwe_afk | |
| [20:27:18] | Beirdo: | wow I'm at the top of page 4 now :) |
| [20:27:21] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, right, we all know you got an A+ on the test |
| [20:27:22] | sphery: | Beirdo: http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv/contributors?page=4 |
| [20:27:28] | Beirdo: | I finally beat "root" |
| [20:27:33] | sphery: | (or 8+ as the case may be :) |
| [20:28:22] | sphery: | heh, you're right, I'm no better than "no author" |
| [20:28:49] | sphery: | if I had a 6 and "no author" had 7, I could say, "No author is better than me." |
| [20:29:23] | janneg: | sphery: I think ohloh counts only trunk |
| [20:29:34] | sphery: | janneg: ah, that makes sense... |
| [20:29:35] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:29:42] | sphery: | I've been wondering that for about a year now |
| [20:29:55] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: you just put in the name mapping, I guess? |
| [20:30:03] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [20:30:19] | iamlindoro: | Although it was just to link my libbluray contributions to my Myth ones |
| [20:30:23] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im closing in, only 110 commits to go |
| [20:30:37] | Beirdo: | I'm sure it will go from 1 to something more signifcant soon |
| [20:30:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, and my flailing around in UI stuff may give you plenty of time to catch up |
| [20:31:05] | iamlindoro: | Was 8 until then, suspect it'll go back to 8 |
| [20:32:14] | sphery: | he had to link his MythTV contributions to his libbluray contributions! https://www.ohloh.net/p/libbluray/contributors?page=2 |
| [20:32:32] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:32:46] | Beirdo: | my next target is 90 commits |
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| [20:33:02] | Beirdo: | well, 91 :0 |
| [20:33:25] | sphery: | closing in on Geoffrey... |
| [20:33:28] | Beirdo: | then I'll be on page 3 |
| [20:33:30] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [20:33:36] | iamlindoro: | Think I can break 1000 before .24 pretty easy |
| [20:33:49] | sphery: | I'd actually prefer that he show up and make the race a little more challenging for you |
| [20:34:00] | sphery: | we could really use some work on the lossless transcoder |
| [20:34:02] | iamlindoro: | and fix mythtranscode while he's at it |
| [20:34:05] | Beirdo: | yah, but "meaningless commit" pshaw! :) |
| [20:34:06] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:34:22] | iamlindoro: | The commit had meaning, but only to the guy doing the resyncs, eg, me |
| [20:34:29] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'd be fine if he makes it harder to catch him :) |
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| [20:34:37] | Beirdo: | of course, I'm being silly :) |
| [20:34:39] | sphery: | I should e-mail them and ask them to decrement my count for all the things I've committed then reverted |
| [20:34:49] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [20:35:05] | Beirdo: | but then we'd have to add all the patches you made and others committed for you |
| [20:35:17] | wagnerrp: | so beirdo/iamlindoro/kormoc-if-youre-still-around... |
| [20:35:28] | wagnerrp: | youre the ones likely to be using an h264 cutting script |
| [20:35:33] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:35:36] | wagnerrp: | if mythtranscode barfs trying to fix the time codes |
| [20:35:46] | wagnerrp: | what would be an acceptable alternative external dependency? |
| [20:35:46] | sphery: | both of those (the startup table check and the xdg-screensaver ones) even had one commit where I made it better before giving up completely |
| [20:35:49] | wagnerrp: | ffmpeg? mencoder? |
| [20:35:52] | sphery: | so I guess that would be a -6 for me |
| [20:36:08] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I think ffmpeg is most common/most up to date, but sometimes hardest to keep in sync |
| [20:36:19] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: what precisely are you trying to accomplish? lossless cutting at GOP? |
| [20:36:25] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [20:36:38] | sphery: | could nuvexport do it |
| [20:36:49] | sphery: | since it's already wrangling the ffmpeg command-line option mess? |
| [20:36:49] | Beirdo: | K. I'm not sure what out there can renumber H.264. Replex might be able to be convinced to |
| [20:36:56] | wagnerrp: | nuvexport is intended for export |
| [20:37:00] | wagnerrp: | this does it in place |
| [20:37:03] | Beirdo: | well, nuvexport does a complete transcode |
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| [20:37:10] | iamlindoro: | replex is very very heavily MPEG-2 video hardcoded |
| [20:37:10] | wagnerrp: | and fixes/reformulated the seektable and cutpoints |
| [20:37:12] | Beirdo: | not lossless in any way |
| [20:37:16] | sphery: | oh, you're trying to do it in mythtranscode? |
| [20:37:19] | sphery: | that's cool |
| [20:37:22] | ** iamlindoro resync'ed replex a year or so ago too ** | |
| [20:37:23] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: yeah, unfortunately |
| [20:37:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp is the new ghaushe |
| [20:37:34] | wagnerrp: | no, im just trying to do a naive GOP cut |
| [20:37:35] | Beirdo: | we need to be able to renumber after cut |
| [20:37:40] | wagnerrp: | which works, but the timecodes are hosed |
| [20:37:54] | Beirdo: | that is *precisely* how I have UPnP commskip working |
| [20:37:58] | janneg: | wagnerrp: ffmpeg is a one line change away of being an internal dependency |
| [20:38:00] | Beirdo: | but again... need to renumber after |
| [20:38:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: elmojo would be the guy to ask, probably |
| [20:38:18] | wagnerrp: | mythtranscode can fix the timecodes for mpeg2 stuff, but doesnt work for h264 |
| [20:38:28] | Beirdo: | so wagnerrp.. when you find out, please please let me know :0 |
| [20:38:51] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: tsmuxer will do GOP-cut + rewriting of timecodes, think you just need to learn their .meta file format |
| [20:38:56] | Beirdo: | if I don't hear anything, I may just start implementing it somehow |
| [20:39:03] | janneg: | and I have something very simple to cut of beginning/end of h264 mpeg-ts recordings |
| [20:39:08] | Beirdo: | but certainly not for 0.24 |
| [20:39:22] | Beirdo: | beginning/end shouldn't be much of a problem |
| [20:39:36] | Beirdo: | it's discontinuities in the middle that tend to mess things up :) |
| [20:39:47] | Beirdo: | like... missing 90s :) |
| [20:40:05] | Beirdo: | my TV... will sit there for 90s waiting. |
| [20:40:12] | Beirdo: | and then starts playing again |
| [20:40:32] | Beirdo: | which is cool, it blacks out the commercials. but not what I was looking for |
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| [20:41:18] | janneg: | Beirdo: yes, but all my h264 sources have no breaks so I don't need to cut in the middle |
| [20:41:25] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:41:26] | wagnerrp: | janneg: ffmyth or something like that would be great |
| [20:41:31] | Beirdo: | lucky you :) |
| [20:41:38] | wagnerrp: | would also provide a static target for nuvexport to work with |
| [20:42:02] | Beirdo: | yeah, nuvexport is gonna get a rehaul to using mencoder in the mean time |
| [20:42:19] | Beirdo: | ffmpeg command line is just too variable |
| [20:45:01] | janneg: | not even an 1-line change, just ./configure with --enable-ffmpeg |
| [20:45:26] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [20:45:35] | Beirdo: | we are running pure ffmpeg code? :) |
| [20:46:02] | wagnerrp: | well we should at least rename it, so it doesnt overwrite the real binary (if we dont already) |
| [20:46:03] | janneg: | that would run ffmpeg with our libraries |
| [20:46:05] | Beirdo: | I do notice a pile of const vs. non-const warnings fly by, but I don't know if we care enough to try to silence those |
| [20:46:24] | janneg: | yes, the binary has to be renamed |
| [20:46:36] | Beirdo: | now that is sweet |
| [20:46:39] | Beirdo: | Hmm |
| [20:46:44] | Beirdo: | I'll talk to xris... |
| [20:46:59] | sphery: | janneg: might be worth doing that |
| [20:47:00] | Beirdo: | if we have our own mythffmpeg which we control... |
| [20:47:15] | Beirdo: | nuvexport wouldn't be needing to change nearly as often. |
| [20:47:24] | sphery: | should make things a lot easier for *buntu guys (packagers and users) |
| [20:47:29] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:47:42] | kormoc: | same with mythweb's streaming |
| [20:47:44] | sphery: | and for Beirdo, et. al., trying to keep up with ffmpeg command line argument changes |
| [20:47:47] | sphery: | yeah |
| [20:48:02] | Beirdo: | with no faad, though... I may need to look into how to make AAC encoding work right, but that's fine |
| [20:48:08] | janneg: | not sure how to do it cleanly |
| [20:49:02] | janneg: | was easy for the libs since the Makefile had already an SHLIBPREFIX I\m abusing |
| [20:49:16] | Beirdo: | I think it would be great though. We'd have the same behavior regardless of distro |
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| [21:21:18] | dlonie: | Hi all, quick question: Is the mythmusic rewrite complete? Commits seem to have slowed down, but it's still not working here. |
| [21:21:32] | ** dlonie is trying to figure out if it's the code or his configuration :-) ** | |
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| [21:22:11] | dlonie: | At the moment, selecting "Listen to music" pulls up the recordings list. |
| [21:24:48] | iamlindoro: | MythMusic rewrite has barely begin, let alone finished |
| [21:25:44] | iamlindoro: | will be *maybe* finished for .25, possibly not even then. Sounds like you have some sort of corruption in your menu themes, though |
| [21:26:22] | dlonie: | Hrm, I'll clear out and reinstall the themes then. |
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| [21:30:44] | dlonie: | :-/ I removed everything in /usr/share/mythtv/themes and reinstalled mythtv and myththemes, but it still happens |
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| [21:35:01] | fdlinux1: | hi |
| [21:35:24] | fdlinux1: | how can i make mythfronted compatible with all versions ? |
| [21:35:44] | kormoc: | all versions of what? |
| [21:35:48] | fdlinux1: | i have a backed with version 56 and my debian fronted is 23056 and it can't connect |
| [21:35:54] | fdlinux1: | protocol |
| [21:35:56] | kormoc: | you can't |
| [21:36:26] | fdlinux1: | is there no way? |
| [21:36:29] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [21:36:48] | iamlindoro: | downgrade your frontend to 23.0, or upgrade your backend to .23.1 |
| [21:37:27] | fdlinux1: | it isn't in the ubuntu repo |
| [21:37:45] | iamlindoro: | what isn't? |
| [21:37:58] | fdlinux1: | a newer backend version |
| [21:38:00] | iamlindoro: | Ubuntu is most definitely distributing .23.1 *and* 23.0 packages, both are available |
| [21:38:12] | iamlindoro: | ask in #mythbuntu-- they have .23.1 packages available |
| [21:39:08] | tgm4883: | fdlinux, Auto builds contain more recent bug fixes than the normal Ubuntu repository contains. See http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds for more info. |
| [21:39:47] | dlonie: | Similar question to the above — is there a way to switch from trunk -> fixes? |
| [21:39:52] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883: thanks |
| [21:39:55] | dlonie: | Or do the db scheme prevent this |
| [21:40:04] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, np |
| [21:40:05] | iamlindoro: | dlonie: The only way to do that is to restore to a .23 database, then install .23 |
| [21:40:32] | iamlindoro: | alternately, hang with trunk another month and switch .24 as soon as the branch is created |
| [21:41:28] | dlonie: | iamlindoro: Excellent — I've been out of the loop for a while, so I'm not used to seeing new releases :-) Seems 0.21 lasted forever. |
| [21:41:35] | dlonie: | I'll definitely wait a month. |
| [21:41:51] | iamlindoro: | Yes, we are attempting to maintain a 4–6 month release cycle, with 2–3 new releases per year |
| [21:43:05] | dlonie: | Sounds great. Since I can't keep up with things anymore, I should probably stay off trunk and stop bothering you guys :-) |
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| [21:56:10] | fdlinux1: | thx, autobuild was the solution |
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| [22:09:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: So, the 11mpg V-8 engine analogy seems to break down a bit... A modern processor only gets 11mpg for the few seconds it's actually passing the other car--otherwise getting the same mpg as the 4-cylinder that has no option to pass. |
| [22:10:27] | sphery: | but I like your response--putting realistic timelines on the tech |
| [22:12:25] | sphery: | oh, and seems people keep forgetting that you can turn off the engine when you get to your destination (i.e. power off when not in use) |
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| [22:14:55] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:15:03] | Beirdo: | who'd ever want to do that? |
| [22:16:30] | Beirdo: | sigh. well, I still couldn't get my setup to sensibly detect killed children processes yesterday |
| [22:16:46] | Beirdo: | I have it temporarily hacked for a workaround. |
| [22:17:09] | Beirdo: | I plan on using ptrace a bit to try to narrow down where to look |
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| [22:17:30] | sphery: | even an 18W Atom run for 2hrs per day versus 24 saves 396Wh/day. Redistribute that 396Wh/day to the 2hrs of actual viewing time/usage, and you could have a 216W waste-of-power frontend. |
| [22:17:48] | Beirdo: | 2h/day?! |
| [22:17:53] | Beirdo: | are you kidding me?! |
| [22:18:06] | sphery: | so what's the typical viewing time for tv? |
| [22:18:06] | Beirdo: | I do playback from about 6pm to 1am |
| [22:18:16] | sphery: | ok, so 7hrs |
| [22:18:17] | Beirdo: | 7h/day |
| [22:18:34] | sphery: | 306Wh/day to shut it down for the other 18h |
| [22:18:35] | Beirdo: | but I also do so with my backend :) |
| [22:19:45] | Beirdo: | and my Atom frontend box... (which still doesn't like me much yet)... takes 8W |
| [22:19:50] | Beirdo: | TDP for the system |
| [22:19:50] | phil______: | hiho |
| [22:20:01] | sphery: | even with 7hrs of viewing per day, an 18W * 24hr Atom system would suck 432Whr/day, so redistribute that and you can get a 62W system |
| [22:20:09] | phil______: | how do i specify the custom identifier for the frontend on command line? |
| [22:20:18] | Beirdo: | sphery: understood. |
| [22:20:19] | sphery: | and it's not even hard to make a system do 62W average usage even with a real cpu |
| [22:20:36] | Beirdo: | but there's the other side of it. small hardware. |
| [22:20:36] | sphery: | just saying the /only/ real way to save /real/ power usage is to shut down |
| [22:20:37] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [22:20:50] | Beirdo: | yeah, the only real way to be saving power is to shut off |
| [22:20:56] | sphery: | regardless of your system design and how "power efficient" it may be |
| [22:21:04] | Beirdo: | failing that, if you ARE going to be on 24/7, use Atom :) |
| [22:21:07] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:21:12] | ** Beirdo ducks and runs ** | |
| [22:21:23] | sphery: | or use an appropriately designed non-Atom system that uses about the same power as Atom :) |
| [22:21:27] | Beirdo: | yeah |
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| [22:21:47] | sphery: | but, hey, people pay for marketing |
| [22:21:54] | Beirdo: | the lower-end Atoms are really hard to beat power-wise |
| [22:22:07] | Beirdo: | but granted, my dual-core Atom firewall ain't lower end |
| [22:22:10] | sphery: | they're not actually looking to have to think to save power--they just want someone to /tell them/ they're saving power |
| [22:22:27] | sphery: | and most probably don't ever actually verify that they are |
| [22:22:49] | Beirdo: | true |
| [22:24:15] | Beirdo: | I use a digital watt-meter for that |
| [22:24:20] | Beirdo: | aka my finger. |
| [22:24:32] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:25:15] | sphery: | I have a kill-a-watt, but I'd like to find some sort of mill-a-watt :) |
| [22:25:29] | phil______: | can i setup a different frontend with the custonidentifier override by mythfrontend -O ...? |
| [22:25:47] | sphery: | really want to find out some real numbers for things that don't use power, but people say waste a ton of power (like leaving cell phone chargers plugged in--like the one next to me is) |
| [22:26:31] | Beirdo: | phil______: probably. have you tried it? |
| [22:26:47] | sphery: | it's less than 0.5W draw when not connected to the phone, so it doesn't register on my kill-a-watt, but even saying it's using 0.5W, that's 12Wh/day = $0.00144/day at $0.12/kWh |
| [22:26:58] | phil______: | i don't know how to name the custom identifier on frontend startup |
| [22:27:07] | phil______: | maybe CustomIdentifier? |
| [22:27:21] | sphery: | and if people really think that unplugging those will save the earth, they really need to do some better profiling of usage |
| [22:27:23] | phil______: | where can i look up the names |
| [22:27:50] | sphery: | phil______: no, use config.xml or mysql.txt |
| [22:27:58] | sphery: | phil______: and just set a different HOME dir |
| [22:28:20] | kormoc: | MYTHCONFDIR="~/.mythtv_left" mythfrontend |
| [22:28:22] | phil______: | HOME=WHATEVER && mythfrontned |
| [22:28:43] | sphery: | i.e.: export HOME=${HOME}/mythtv/customprofile && mythfrontend |
| [22:28:43] | sphery: | yeah |
| [22:28:58] | kormoc: | sphery, I thought we should be using MYTHCONFDIR rather then HOME? |
| [22:29:00] | phil______: | mythconfdir works too? |
| [22:29:15] | phil______: | well, would be cleaner imho |
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| [22:32:24] | sphery: | kormoc: I just generally tell users about HOME because then other requirements (like the ability to write to the dir, etc) are implied--whereas with MYTHCONFDIR, users may assume, "Oh, I'll just point it at /etc/mythtv," or something and break MythTV |
| [22:32:58] | kormoc: | fair nuff |
| [22:33:09] | sphery: | both will work--if used appropriately :) |
| [22:33:22] | sphery: | so doesn't really matter |
| [22:33:35] | phil______: | so when I as a user wouldn't make that misunderstanding, should i use MYTHCONFDIR? ^^ |
| [22:33:40] | sphery: | also, MYTHCONFDIR gets confusing with LIRC usage of $HOME/.lircrc |
| [22:33:43] | sphery: | or can |
| [22:33:58] | sphery: | phil______: 08.24 18:33:09 <+sphery> both will work--if used appropriately :) |
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| [23:32:00] | wagnerrp: | i think you need some more underscores there phil |
| [23:37:35] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: 8W TDP for the whole system? the dual core Atom alone draws 8W |
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