Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, August 23rd, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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Azelphur:

also, handbrake outputs m4vs

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high-rez:

put the tuners on the slave resources and call it done – and float the master as a xen vm

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wagnerrp:

yes, the master must have tuners

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high-rez:

... really ?

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HRearden:

Yeah, I'm fairly confident it will work that way, but that is definitely more overhead than I want.... I suppose I really just need to but the master backend in a xen vm. Everything else can be local.

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wagnerrp:

there are problems if the master does not have tuners

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HRearden:

The master will have the HDHRs...

[00:00:51]

high-rez:

Oh, well he's got HDHRs so I guess it doesn't *really* master

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HRearden:

I should be able to use normal DRBD approach for storage and mysql then.

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high-rez:

s/master/matter – since he doesn't have to float local hardware between the node in the cluster :)

[00:01:22]

high-rez:

Yeah, DRBD + MySQL should work fine...

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high-rez:

You've inspired me. I think I'll hook myth with linuxha and see how it goes. :P

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HRearden:

Well, I might as well go learn xen then. Thanks...

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high-rez:

There might be other ways to containerize it – but I don't know off the top of my head.

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high-rez:

The neat thing with xen is if you're doing paravirt, its really really easy to migrate the entire machine resource, instead of anapplication resource.

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HRearden:

the only other thought I had was to start mythbackend with a -O settings switch to change the hostname or something.

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high-rez:

(or kvm for that matter)

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high-rez:

Have you tried lsof -n | grep mythbac and looked to see what it listens on globally ?

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high-rez:

It appears it doesn't mind to just specific host addresses...

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high-rez:

Good luck, hope your TV cluster doesn't go split brain ;)

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HRearden:

STONITH...

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wagnerrp:

HRearden: a couple weeks ago, there actually was some discussion along those lines

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wagnerrp:

with upcoming plans on moving the database to be embedded in the master backend

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wagnerrp:

there was discussion of implementing some HA features

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wagnerrp:

where the database would have live clones in each SBE

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wagnerrp:

so if the MBE were to fail, there would be an election among the remaining machines

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wagnerrp:

and one would take up role as the master

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wagnerrp:

but it was purely theoretical

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wagnerrp:

no plans to implement something as such

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wagnerrp:

it was more of a 'that would be nice, but it would be a PITA to get the database duplication working'

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Beirdo:

ahhh, that gets rid of those boxes

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Beirdo:

hmm, any reason we even allow people to use non-UTF8 locales?

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wagnerrp:

because most systems default to latin-1

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Beirdo:

so? our application can insist on UTF8

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wagnerrp:

yeah, could pop up an error

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wagnerrp:

but... but... that breaks all the old curses applications

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Beirdo:

not really :)

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wagnerrp:

well you get funky border characters

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Beirdo:

but anyways. with the number of locale-based issues that could be fixed by saying "we will not run in latin-1, pick a UTF-8 locale, please"

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Beirdo:

the system doesn't need the locale, only the app, IIRC

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Beirdo:

as in, if I use latin-1, I should still be able to have UTF-8 filenames from other locales, and it should just... work

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Beirdo:

like some of the Spanish music I have

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Beirdo:

and Motley Crue

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Beirdo:

which has two umlauts :)

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Beirdo:

shuffling some music around on the dev box.

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Beirdo:

11G of music. heh

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Beirdo:

mythmusic using SGs yet? I don't remember

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iamlindoro:

nope

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Beirdo:

OK. Good to know :)

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Beirdo:

I'm sure it's on paulh's list though

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HRearden:

such as HDPVR, local USB tuners, etc.

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Beirdo:

HRearden: huh?

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HRearden:

sorry — old post

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HRearden:

meant to say @wagnerrp, that would be nice, shouldn't be to much of a PITA if you use the DB's own replication features and don't try to build your own.

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mauijoe:

hi, my storage drives are not being seen in machine status. Recordings only record the amount space of the swap partition. This happened after I moved and trying to get set up in a new city. Any Ideas?

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ozatomic:

How does myth trigger the tv card to enable captions to come on the screen ?

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sphery:

ozatomic: captions are embedded in the stream, they're displayed by the player, not related tothe capture card

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sphery:

mauijoe: MythTV looks at the directories specifies in your mythtv-setup Storage Directories. Check them and their permissions.

[01:38:11]

mauijoe:

I deleted the old paths from default and added them back still no luck

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mauijoe:

both mount points are in storagegroups in mythconverg

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sphery:

and on your file system? are they good paths? does the user running mythbackend have permissions?

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Beirdo:

yay for multirec.

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sphery:

rwx on all the directories

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mauijoe:

yes

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sphery:

(leading up to the final one, even)

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sphery:

so, not just /srv/mythtv/recordings, but also /srv/mythtv and /srv

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sphery:

or whatever

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mauijoe:

recordings actually record there but only up to the swap partition size

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sphery:

mauijoe: can you pastebin (or screenshot) the output from the backend status page showing your storage directories

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sphery:

http://backendhostname:6544/

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mauijoe:

mine are simple just /mythtv1 and mythtv2

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mauijoe:

how do I get the "back end status page" info?

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sphery:

http://backendhostname:6544/

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sphery:

just replace backendhostname with your backend's hostname or ip address

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awalls:

Ozatomic: for analog captures with the ivtv and cx18 drivers

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mauijoe:

ok

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awalls:

What sphery says is true but myth tells the drivers to do it

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awalls:

I don't know for other cases

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mauijoe:

done:http://pastebin.com/XqH73dhj

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sphery:

mauijoe: what file system are you using for the root file system?

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sphery:

I think the problem is that your recordings file systems aren't mounted

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mauijoe:

it's on a separate drive

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sphery:

so you're actually writing recordings to the "parent" file system (the root file system)

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mauijoe:

I have two drives dedicated to myth

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sphery:

and I'll bet they're not mounted :)

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sphery:

type: mount

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mauijoe:

they are

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sphery:

at the shell prompt

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sphery:

do you see /mythtv*

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mauijoe:

I can cd into them, mkdir, and recordings are going into /mythtv1

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sphery:

right because to mount a drive, you must create a directory as a mount point

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sphery:

I think you're in the mount point (which is part of the root file system)

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awalls:

df -h

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mauijoe:

ahhhh

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mauijoe:

fstab says /dev/sdc /mythtv1

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sphery:

but what does mount say

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sphery:

or df -h

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mauijoe:

df -h only shows the root system

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sphery:

which means they're not mounted

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sphery:

so you need to figure out why not

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mauijoe:

correct

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sphery:

then mount only one of them

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mauijoe:

this is strange

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mauijoe:

system was fine before I moved

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sphery:

then copy /all/ the recordings form /mythtv1 and /mythtv2 into the one you mounted

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sphery:

then delete all the recordings from /mythtv1 and /mythtv2

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sphery:

then mount the other

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sphery:

and, you should reconfigure your system to prevent MythTV from ever writing to the root file system, again: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/383725#383725

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sphery:

with that configuration, you'll find it much easier to notice when your file systems don't mount properly

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mauijoe:

this is the one "if everything works properly" things

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sphery:

try: sudo install -d /mnt/tmp && sudo mount /dev/sdc /mnt/tmp

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sphery:

if it gives an error, you have a start :)

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sphery:

if not, then copy all the recordings from /mythtv1 and /mythtv2 over to /mnt/tmp

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sphery:

then reconfigure things as in that post I linked: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/383725#383725

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mauijoe:

http://pastebin.com/XqH73dhj

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mauijoe:

mount: special device /dev/sdc1 does not exist

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sphery:

oh, sorry, whatever your fstab said for the device

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sphery:

you said /dev/sdc

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sphery:

(which is strange, though, as that would mean no partition?)

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mauijoe:

wondering if some cables might have become disconected during shippment

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sphery:

yeah, that's possible

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mauijoe:

it was actuall sdc1

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sphery:

yeah, then it's likely unplugged drives or something

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sphery:

check cables

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Viper550:

wanna know the funny/unfortunate thing about my cable box?

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mauijoe:

OK, at least I know the direction to go. gonna shut it down and look in side the box

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mauijoe:

thanks for the help

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sphery:

you should either delete all the recordings that you've made since you moved (through mythfrontend)

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mauijoe:

already deleted

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sphery:

or make sure you move them over to the real drives once they're available

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sphery:

ok, cool

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mauijoe:

just test junk

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sphery:

that makes it easier

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mauijoe:

yeah

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sphery:

I'd remove all the stuff under /mythtv1 and /mythtv2 (but not those dirs)

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sphery:

so, like rm -r /mythtv1/*

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mauijoe:

already done

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sphery:

just so you don't waste the space on the root file system

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

good luck with cables, then

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mauijoe:

thx

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sphery:

and I highly recommend reconfiguring

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mauijoe:

will do

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sphery:

cool

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jaf1230:

Okay, so I've scanned my channels, signed up for schedulesdirect, I get a fair number of unencrypted channels, but now I'm having issues where I select a channel, it doesn't tune properly, and then I get "Attempting to setup a player, but it already exists."

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ozatomic:

arh i missed awalls

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jaf1230:

I've tried restarting both the front and back end

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sphery:

Viper550: the suspense is killing me

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Viper550:

it runs Windows CE

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sphery:

woah... that's sad

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Viper550:

and most of the menus are rendered using internet explorer.

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sphery:

have you seen the BSoD, yet? :)

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Viper550:

unless you mean the program guide, no

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sphery:

ozatomic: are you thinking that your capture card isn't saving the captions?

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ozatomic:

no

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sphery:

what capture card?

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Viper550:

ugly pale blue guide UI

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ozatomic:

atm testing with Winfast DTV1000s

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ozatomic:

i think i've talked to you about this before

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sphery:

so digital capture?

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ozatomic:

yeah digital capture

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Viper550:

its sasktel's IPTV

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sphery:

atsc?

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ozatomic:

not sure

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sphery:

dvb-t

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ozatomic:

i've been playuing with dvbsnoop and there is a steam whihc has teletext

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ozatomic:

yeah dvb-t

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sphery:

so you just need to enable teletext

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Viper550:

we still use some old middleware

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Viper550:

though appearantly they're gonna be flashing mediaroom onto their boxes soon

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ozatomic:

how do i do that via command line

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sphery:

I don't know my dvb, but it may require you to also tell mythtv to save interactive data

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sphery:

T usually

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ozatomic:

yeah if i press T in mythtv it works

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sphery:

if that doesn't work, try M (MENU) then scroll to Teletext or Captions or Subtitles or ...

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Viper550:

but what we got now is quite ugly

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sphery:

so what's the issue you're having?

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ozatomic:

but i want to get these captions to file

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sphery:

oh, yeah....

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ozatomic:

remember me :)

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sphery:

now I do

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sphery:

and I still don't know of any tool to do so

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sphery:

closest I could get is: mythfrontend -v vbi

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Viper550:

it can also browse the web webtv style

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sphery:

and then read the captions out of the log as you play back a show :)

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ozatomic:

whmm

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sphery:

not really ideal, though

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sphery:

you'll have a lot of other junk in the log, too

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ozatomic:

where does the -v vbi log to

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Viper550:

anyone wanna dare see the guide grid?

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sphery:

console if you don't say -l /path/to/log file, too :)

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Viper550:

its not as ugly as SARA, but god

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Beirdo:

Poor Sara

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ozatomic:

sphery: they don't show up i get "2010-08–23 12:10:56.180 TeletextDecoder: No Teletext Viewer defined"

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Viper550:

http://www.sasktel.com/personal/max-entertain . . . 39-guide.jpg

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sphery:

ozatomic: even after you push T during playback?

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ozatomic:

yeah

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sphery:

may be that -v vbi only works for captions and not for teletext

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ozatomic:

wait

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ozatomic:

no it stoped saying that

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ozatomic:

arhh this is painful

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Beirdo:

Viper550: Saskatchewan has TV now? :) hehe

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Beirdo:

sorry

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sphery:

no, it should output them with -v vbi

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Viper550:

D:

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sphery:

oh, no, wait, it won't

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ozatomic:

the thing is, mythtv has to get them from somewhere so if i dvbsnoop it shoudl show them

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Beirdo:

is that Fox-Boston?!

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sphery:

teletext decoder doesn't log them

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Beirdo:

why would they pick such a distant station?

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Viper550:

sasktel is government owned, and knows what they're doing! They launched a 3G+ network province wide this week! (and yes, here we get Boston/Seattle. I am perplexed too. Especially when I realize they're the Bell feeds and we get simsubs we technically don't need)

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sphery:

yeah, I don't know which dvbsnoop args you'd need to actually find/decode them (if it can decode them)

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sphery:

but they're in there

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sphery:

just need the right tool for the job

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Viper550:

Heck, they simsub TSN. Cable channels don't need to be simsubbed over American terrestrials. If I were SaskTel, I'd at least pick something in the same time zone! Like say, Minnesota

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ozatomic:

who can i pay to do this :D

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Beirdo:

I thought SaskTel was part of BCE?

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Viper550:

Beirdo, no

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Beirdo:

heh, fair enough

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Viper550:

they also do internet and phone

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Viper550:

their advertisements are cute though too

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Viper550:

sasktel was one of the first to do HDTV over an IPTV system appearantly

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

probably because it's the only sensible way in such a sparsely populated area

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Viper550:

the "traditional" cable operator here, Access (which unusally, is a co-op), uses the Passport Echo firmware

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ozatomic:

Teletext_type: 2 (0x02) [= teletext subtitle page]

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Viper550:

and actually, I live within an hour of a major metropolitan area in this province too though, its not all farmland everywhere

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

so you're near Regina or Saskatoon I take it

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Beirdo:

I like Regina's old name better

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sphery:

ozatomic: try http://project-x.sourceforge.net/

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Beirdo:

Pile O' Bones, IIRC

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Viper550:

we're within an hour of Regina south

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Viper550:

we're getting the Mediaroom update rolled out starting at the end of the month appearantly

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Beirdo:

I miss Corner Gas

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Viper550:

Hiccups is good too

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sphery:

ozatomic: old description, but still useful: http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/DigiTV/projectx-fullguide.htm + http://www.doom9.org/DigiTV/projectx-fullguide.htm#teletext

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Beirdo:

Brent Butt is pretty funny

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Viper550:

its good that CTV finally realized the Olympics were months ago

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Beirdo:

witha name like that, I guess he didn't have much choice but to become a comedian

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Beirdo:

either that or homocidal

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ozatomic:

thanks sphery i'll take a look

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Beirdo:

Oh really? Apparently his wife played Wanda

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Viper550:

Is mediaroom any good?

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Beirdo:

I dunno

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Viper550:

http://mysask.ca/portal/site/pc-saskatchewan/ this is one of the home pages from the home screen on max ... looks ... old

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Beirdo:

gah

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Beirdo:

it's STILL chewing on that recording from 4pm that won't make a preview... seems it can't find a logo either

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Beirdo:

DIE!

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Beirdo:

hahah. "137 commercial breaks"

[02:28:22]

Beirdo:

not quite

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Beirdo:

new bug... if you kill mythcommflag, it should put "job killed", not blindly use the return value (top 8 bits are signal number)

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Beirdo:

or is it bottom 8... pretty sure it's top

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wagnerrp:

is that something someone put ont rac?

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

it's one I'm gonna go fix

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

as I keep having to randomly kill jobs

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wagnerrp:

it should '304', job errored

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Beirdo:

yeah, it should deal with it better, I'll go look at what precisely it's doing

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Beirdo:

breaksFound = myth_system(command);

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Beirdo:

bingo

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

OK, I see the issue

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Beirdo:

fun times

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Beirdo:

WEXITSTATUS() is only to be used when WIFEXITED() returns true

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Beirdo:

someone didn't read wait(2) too carefully, it seems :)

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Beirdo:

but that's OK, it will get fixed

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Beirdo:

in a moment

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you think I should add a new GENERIC_EXIT_KILLED?

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wagnerrp:

if you want, personally i wouldnt touch it

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Beirdo:

or just plunk it into GENERIC_EXIT_NOT_OK

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wagnerrp:

i would just sit back, and then start poking me if it gets too close to 0.25 with little update on #7990

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

well, this is an easy fix

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slickrick:

hey anyone know why mythmusic stopped displaying my artwork in 0.23?

[02:56:19]

slickrick:

despite my settings which are correct the artwork displays only for a a split second before going to the visualization.

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: if later we care WHICH signal killed it, it's simple enough to add

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Beirdo:

now to make dist-clean and recompile :)

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Beirdo:

hah, now I have to wait until the backend stops recording

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Beirdo:

in about 3h

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Beirdo:

heh

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fluvvell:

I need some help with the nbd-server part of mythbuntu-diskless, my nbd-server port is not showing as open.

[04:00:55]

fluvvell:

how can I fix whats wrong with it?

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wagnerrp:

fluvvell: try in #mythbuntu or maybe #ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

we dont support that in here

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fluvvell:

whoops sorry

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fluvvell:

anyway, big fan of mythtv – i've hooked at least 6 of my friends into it. Keep up the good work.

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Beirdo:

hehe, Tony Danza's an English teacher now?

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Beirdo:

OMG, now mpeg2video is spewing bogus errors at me

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

oooh, 139 commflags again

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Beirdo:

blah

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Beirdo:

2010-08–22 21:18:44.637 AFD Error: Unknown audio decoding error

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Beirdo:

Segmentation fault

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Beirdo:

fall down, go boom

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Beirdo:

now I'll have to watch that recording :)

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Beirdo:

great, another one that may need me to rollback the ffmpeg resync

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Beirdo:

it's whining HARD about mpeg2video glitchiness... on OTA, and I don't see huge problems, just minor ones

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wagnerrp:

hidden references are so fun...

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wagnerrp:

playing bordergrounds, one of the DLC packs

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wagnerrp:

i have to kill a Commander Ajax, who flies around on a (war) rocket pack

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Beirdo:

stupid OTA

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Beirdo:

stop pixelating and crapping out.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I don't want to have to keep this recording around so I can have a good example of a recording that crapped out commflag ;)

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wagnerrp:

come on... nothing?

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Beirdo:

hmm?

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wagnerrp:

the reference

[04:52:11]

** Beirdo shrugs **

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wagnerrp:

bah...

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Beirdo:

I need more caffiene

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wagnerrp:

flash gordon

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wagnerrp:

war rocket ajax

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Beirdo:

oh jeez, haven't even heard that name in ages

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Beirdo:

I wonder if my directv box isn't interfering with the HD Homerun

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Matt_C:

hi, has anyone had some problems with having 2 ATI HD 600 USB connected to mythtv and then all of the sudden one cuts out and doesnt show up on the backend? i've checked to make sure the device still works and it shows up properly on two other computers, i'm running ubuntu 10.04 and i believe both tuners worked fine when after i upgraded from 9.04 to 10.04

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Beirdo:

Matt_C: I doubt many of us use that tuner at all

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Matt_C:

Beirdo, I thought so much, got a great deal on it through woot and its worked great 'til recently

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Matt_C:

any idea on how I might start tracking down the problem? i'm a little clueless on where to start

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Beirdo:

not off hand

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Beirdo:

oh this is so glitchy it's not funny anymore

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Matt_C:

ok, I'll keep on looking around though not much has come up in my search so far

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Matt_C:

the HD 600 or what?

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Beirdo:

I can see why commflag hated it, but it would be nice if it didn't barf

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Beirdo:

2010-08–22 23:02:42.417 About to write defaults

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Beirdo:

2010-08–22 23:02:58.076 About to reset keys

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Beirdo:

sphery: ^^^

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Beirdo:

there's the delay.

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Beirdo:

in the write defaults

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wagnerrp:

heheh... good xkcd today

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Beirdo:

and my fix did nothing?!

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Beirdo:

143 commercial breaks my butt

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wagnerrp:

whats the default level for mythcommflag? 'medium'?

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Beirdo:

not sure

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Beirdo:

recompiling with a touch more verbose

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Beirdo:

I so hate cleaning :)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: the commflag speedup works by scaling the video down to some low resolution before doing processing, right?

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Beirdo:

yeah, and apparently that doesn't work well for H.264 with the ffmpeg resync

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Beirdo:

two steps forward, two right back

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wagnerrp:

so was it taken back out?

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

as it seems to be ONLY H.264 it won't speed up for whatever reason

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Beirdo:

Terminated

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Beirdo:

2010-08–22 23:17:20.426 status=36608, result=143

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Beirdo:

OK.

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Beirdo:

funny

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Beirdo:

that's the top 8 bits.

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wagnerrp:

oh, it just 1/16ths the video

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt scale down to some common size

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Beirdo:

1/16th, correct

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Beirdo:

1/16th the pixels, 1/4 width, 1/4 height

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wagnerrp:

HDHR at radio shack for $90, free shipping

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

so

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wagnerrp:

you know you want a second one

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Beirdo:

it seems that the status return I'm getting is backwards

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Beirdo:

somehow

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Beirdo:

when I kill mythcommflag with signal 15, I get 0x8F00

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Beirdo:

I would be expecting 0x008F

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Beirdo:

and if I kill -9: 0x8900

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Beirdo:

what the heck?!

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Beirdo:

I'm getting confused

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bjd:

anyone using radiotimes for xmltv stuff?

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

whatever problems you're having you'll likely need to upgrade to a newer xmltv version than the one shipping with your distro – i.e. a nightly build

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bjd:

nah

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bjd:

think it's broken atm

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bjd:

http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/45.dat

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bjd:

:D

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

it's been up & down a bit lately :-\

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justinh:

wonder what's gonna happen when BBC Worldwide sell the RadioTimes

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bjd:

is that what they are planning?

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justinh:

I guess then it'll be EIT ftw

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justinh:

yup

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bjd:

heh

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simonckenyon:

bjd: here have been problems for the last few days – the bbc do know about it (according to nick morrott)

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bjd:

was reading in the papers this AM about the BBC planning to put it's entire radiotimes back catalogue online

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justinh:

the plus side of EIT is of course constant updates, brief descriptions...

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bjd:

Yeah

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justinh:

the only downsides are: no star ratings & being able to read plot spoilers in the descriptions :D

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bjd:

also, it's only 7 days and can interfere with mythshutdown :p

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justinh:

MythWhatNow ;-)

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justinh:

7 days is enough

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justinh:

it's very rare I need to know what's on any more than 7 days away

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justinh:

wonder why they never bothered to make it more than 7 days anyway

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justinh:

oh but EIT *does* have some pretty crazy category data for a lot of shows

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justinh:

hmm there's another idea for my todo list... custom categories for the user

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justinh:

I currently don't pay any heed to category info, since it's so often out of whack

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justinh:

if uk_rt does go the way of the Dodo I wonder how fast SD could move in here

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justinh:

whatever happened to the survey of European potential users SD did?

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justinh:

bjd: you know the issues you & others are seeing with channel 4? is there anything you've noticed about the shows that are on when you have problems watching with VDPAU? Stuff like audio description etc?

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justinh:

bjd: when I first ran into problems using Via xvmc it tended to always be BBC shows with AD streams – I'm figuring that because a lossless transcode fixes the issue it's related to this since that will strip out all but the primary audio & video

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justinh:

had a really weird problem with Virgin1 recordings a couple of years ago too – a core2 duo 1.6Ghz CPU couldn't grunt its way through recordings of The Fresh Prince Of Bel Air – that was really strange – every other recording was fine

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bjd:

tbh justinh, I haven't really looked into it properly yet

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bjd:

for what it's worth, this is when Sister Act was on, I haven't got any EPG data so can't compare that with other programmes

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justinh:

I'm just concerned that whatever C4 have done, others will do in future

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justinh:

bjd: just use ffmpeg to find out if it's got AD or not ;)

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bjd:

Has there been more noise about it on the list?

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justinh:

no not yet AFAIK

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justinh:

it might even have been an engineering problem that's since been sorted out

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justinh:

ah nuts my boss isn't in today. need him to sign off on some time off

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Iltsu:

Hello

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Iltsu:

I'm planning to install mythtv-backend to my nas/torrent-box, is there somehow I can stream livetv to other computer (vlc would be nice client) so I can watch tv and do some other stuff with computer at the same time

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justinh:

if all you want to do is watch live tv why bother with mythtv at al?

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justinh:

*all?

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justinh:

just use VLC instead – that can do network streaming and can be controlled remotely too

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Iltsu:

I think recording with mythtv would be perfect

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Iltsu:

and that tv-card is connected to remote box

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justinh:

for best results, use mythfrontend on any remote machine

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justinh:

xbmc can let you watch live tv from a mythtv backend but it's not ideal

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justinh:

AFAIK XBMC is the only app which lets you watch live tv from a mythtv backend

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justinh:

er.. I mean the only non-mythtv app :)

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Iltsu:

mythfrontend sounds little heavyweight

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Iltsu:

and my desktop is running windows:)

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justinh:

so, XBMC is your only available option then

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Iltsu:

okay thanks, I will test it then

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justinh:

other programs used to be available, but they tended to suck

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justinh:

you can actually get mythfrontend to work on windows

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justinh:

and as for you thinking it's 'heavyweight'.. I dunno where you get that idea from

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Iltsu:

gotta try it

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justinh:

heck XBMC isn't exactly what I'd call a small download either

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justinh:

I wouldn't call XBMC light on resources either

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justinh:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~davco/

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justinh:

wow, that site is *riddled*

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oobe:

haha cool

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Awli:

Hi all :)

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Awli:

I know the MythTV frontend running on Windows XP isnt 'officially' supported, but can someone give me a gentle clue for the command line to force the frontend to run on the secondary monitor? I've tried every switch I could think of and cant get it to work.. If I disable the primary monitor, the frontend correctly detects it is now running on monitor 1, but I cant make it default to running on there.. :(

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justinh:

on linux you can use the -geometry option to specify size & position of the window

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justinh:

dunno if that would work on windows too

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Awli:

<taps nose> Ahhh! Set the geometry to be co-ords on the second display... Good idea! :) I'll try it :)

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Awli:

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Awli:

Its not elegant, but it works! :)

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Awli:

Thanks justinh :)

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justinh:

yw

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Awli:

I was all set to start trawling the source, but then realised the --display tag is bash and not actually mythtv.. :)

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Awli:

Its great.. I've got a linux backend, and a linux, mac and windows frontend :)

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Awli:

Next step is compiling the frontend on the iphone.. <laughs>

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** justinh takes the iphone & stamps on it :-) **

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Awli:

Oh, Its not for me.. I cant stand them personally.. The fiance on the other hand. :)

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Awli:

The windows frontend is going to go along way to assisting her 'accept' all the Mythy goodness :)

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justinh:

read a new story about apple's plans for their stuff yesterday. they're getting to be ridiculously evil, and people who buy their stuff are asking for it

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justinh:

it's bad enough that they force you to use itunes for so much, but remotely deactivating a phone for whatever reason they see fit is just.. mad

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justinh:

I like gadgets & shiny things.. I just don't believe in paying that much money for them continually

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clever:

they can already remotely uninstall apps from your ianything

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justinh:

I foolishly thought "nah, I can get an iphone when the price comes down"

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justinh:

nope, cos they'll just keep bringing out new generations which cost the same as the current gen

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Awli:

<laughs> The first thing I did was jailbreak her phone :)

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Awli:

and then sat there laughing for 5 minutes at how ridiculously easy it was :) 3 mouse clicks and it was done...

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clever:

lol

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Awli:

The ultimate laugh for me will be getting the frontend running on it.. :) :) I've had to jump through enough ridiculousl hoops with mythweb to satisfy her need to be able to watch *anything* on the iphone from it.. :)

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justinh:

hardly ridiculous

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justinh:

but Apple wanting to remotely brick any jailbroken phone is er.. nasty

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justinh:

put that one in the "man, I wish I'd thought of that" pile

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Awli:

I block any access to apple's server via my gateway anyways :)

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justinh:

won't help when the phone is out & about though

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justinh:

if they ever went through with it.. which they might, knowing them :)

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Awli:

True.. There's only so much I can do :) :)

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Awli:

Oh I have no doubt they will.. :)

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Awli:

'Night all! :) Have fun! :)

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henkpoley:

Would it be possible to make mythwelck

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henkpoley:

Welcom wait again after startup

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henkpoley:

Shouldn't ask these questions just before leaving :-P

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justinh:

what do you mean by 'wait again after startup' ?

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wagnerrp:

justinh: Apple wanting to have any control over that phone after they sell it to me should be illegal

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wagnerrp:

they want to refuse warranty service, go for it

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wagnerrp:

but to force it to stop functioning because im using it in a manner they did not intend...

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Jay2k1:

i second that

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: meh, apple fans will not only stand for it, they will love it, and defend Steve against any heretics and unbelievers.

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gizmobay:

My computer has this processor, AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+, and 1GB of RAM. I want to either upgrade the CPU to a dual core or add more RAM. Which one would be the better to do for MythTV?

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wagnerrp:

neither

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wagnerrp:

old S939 parts are hard to come by, and expensive when you do

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gizmobay:

I could get a dual core on ebay for 30–40 bucks

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wagnerrp:

is this a combo fe/be?

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bjd:

simonckenyon: don't suppose you've heard anything more wrt RT XMLTV?

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wagnerrp:

what content are you trying to play?

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gizmobay:

yeah

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gizmobay:

I can play OTA HD and SD

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wagnerrp:

what do you /want/ to play that youre looking to upgrade

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gizmobay:

the guide is a touch sluggish

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gizmobay:

the guide is what I want to fix

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wagnerrp:

open up a terminal over SSH while youre using it

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wagnerrp:

see if youre dipping into swap

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gizmobay:

okay

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gizmobay:

what command? I forget

[16:14:18]

wagnerrp:

'top'

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wagnerrp:

that processor should have plenty of power for anything ATSC

[16:15:10]

wagnerrp:

you may get into trouble if you have very high bitrate content, and are running a deinterlacer at the same time

[16:15:31]

gizmobay:

even with vdpau?

[16:15:39]

wagnerrp:

youre using VDPAU?

[16:15:44]

gizmobay:

yes

[16:15:57]

simonckenyon:

nothing on the xmltv-users mailing list – nick did last thursday "Contacted and waiting for a response. Please feel free to write directly the Radio Times if and when you notice a problem with the XMLTV service – the more users that write may show how important the service is. Their radio.times@bbc.co.uk contact address is the one to use.

[16:15:58]

wagnerrp:

well then swapping the processor wouldnt do a thing

[16:16:11]

wagnerrp:

if anything is slow, youre out of memory and are swapping

[16:16:59]

gizmobay:

top says swap 1GB used 205k, free 800k

[16:17:16]

gizmobay:

but it's not even doing anything right now

[16:17:52]

sphery:

gizmobay: what deinterlacer?

[16:18:00]

wagnerrp:

800 kilobytes free?

[16:18:08]

wagnerrp:

on the line below that, how much is 'cached'

[16:18:10]

simonckenyon:

bjd: but people are asking on the mailing list for an update as the files are still empty

[16:18:22]

gizmobay:

585K

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wagnerrp:

oh... swap used

[16:19:09]

wagnerrp:

yeah, youre 200MB into swap

[16:19:13]

wagnerrp:

you need more memory

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wagnerrp:

or you need to turn some stuff off on that machine

[16:19:27]

wagnerrp:

what window manager are you running?

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gizmobay:

xfce

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gizmobay:

sphery, I have set One Field Primary and Temporal for Secondary

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gizmobay:

the only thing running is the FE and BE

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gizmobay:

I'm not even watching anything right now

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gizmobay:

I haven't rebooted in 25 days though

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bjd:

simonckenyon: ok, thx

[16:25:11]

sphery:

gizmobay: sudo pmap -d `pidof mythfrontend` > /tmp/mythfrontend-map.txt

[16:27:02]

gizmobay:

sphery, okay I did it

[16:27:18]

gizmobay:

pastebin it?

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sphery:

please

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gizmobay:

http://pastebin.ca/1923417

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fdlinux:

hi all

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fdlinux:

anyone here?

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iamlindoro:

fdlinux: Just ask a question-- if someone knows the answer/wants to talk about whatever it is, they will answer

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sphery:

gizmobay: hmmm... Looks pretty standard for mem usage. 500MB specific to mythfrontend. You actually have far less mapped than I do, though (yours is 890MB, mine is 1108MB).

[16:42:36]

fdlinux:

ok

[16:42:53]

sphery:

out of curiosity, what resolution is mythfrontend using for themes? 1920x1080?

[16:43:05]

fdlinux:

i have 2 video sources : 1 is ivtv card and one is a webcam

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fdlinux:

but every reboot they are random

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fdlinux:

how can i lock ivtv to /dev/video0 or /dev/video1 ?

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gizmobay:

I use either the Terra or Mythbuntu theme

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fdlinux:

tried google and mythtv docx , but nothing found

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gizmobay:

fdlinux, I use udev

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iamlindoro:

fdlinux: look up udev on the wiki

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fdlinux:

ok sec

[16:44:22]

sphery:

fdlinux: either create udev rules or use the hacks in the modules

[16:44:39]

sphery:

hacks = some option you can find with: modinfo ivtv

[16:44:48]

sphery:

something about device major number

[16:45:19]

sphery:

parm: ivtv_first_minor:Set kernel number assigned to first card (int)

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gizmobay:

sphery, is there a setting for the theme rez or is it set by the theme?

[16:45:22]

sphery:

minor, I guess

[16:45:49]

sphery:

gizmobay: I meant the final UI resolution (in case you're not running video and UI at same res)

[16:46:27]

sphery:

so basically what resolution screen are you using most likely answers my questions

[16:46:43]

gizmobay:

okay, 1920 x 1080

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sphery:

cool

[16:47:13]

sphery:

so, basically, that seems about typical mem usage for mfe (no notorious leaks or anything)

[16:47:36]

sphery:

meaning that if you are hitting swap with your frontend, more mem might help (though I can't say it will help guide responsiveness)

[16:47:47]

gizmobay:

okay, thanks for looking.

[16:47:54]

sphery:

we are talking about the guide in Live TV (OSD) versus the guide in the UI, right

[16:48:12]

gizmobay:

yeah livetv guide

[16:48:21]

gizmobay:

just a touch slow

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sphery:

if you restart and see free showing that you're not using swap and your guide is more responsive, that suggests that memory would help. If the mythfrontend pmap is about the same, then it's just things getting loaded and swapped in/out over time that's the problem

[16:50:16]

sphery:

if the pmap shows significantly less ram usage (mainly writable), then it's possible that a simpler theme would work for you

[16:50:30]

sphery:

(less ram usage after reboot, that is)

[16:50:58]

gizmobay:

next time I reboot I'll check it out

[16:51:01]

sphery:

if it's all the same after a reboot, then we're lacking evidence either way :)

[16:51:16]

gizmobay:

true

[16:51:34]

gizmobay:

I noticed sometimes my FE comes up slow and sometimes fast

[16:51:49]

wagnerrp:

sphery: you happen to know how EIA-608 behaves when not contained within the VBI lines?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: no clue... I think that's what happens with the ivtv stuff, but I don't know how we use it (or even how it's stored)

[16:52:47]

fdlinux:

ok , hack is in place , hope it works

[16:52:49]

sphery:

is this regarding the people asking about captions as text in streams in mkv or whatever?

[16:52:58]

wagnerrp:

yeah

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sphery:

yeah, don't know how that should (or even /if/ it should) work with any player

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sphery:

wagnerrp: elmojo would be a better person to ask about that stuff

[16:57:43]

high-rez:

So any highlights of wonderful things to expect from the new libav*/ffmpeg sync? :D

[17:00:02]

sphery:

I heard it allows single-core atoms to software decode high-bitrate, high-resolution H.264 and apply YADIF 2x deinterlacing while using less than 5% CPU.

[17:00:43]

sphery:

Or wait, maybe I heard that atom is less than 5% the performance of a real CPU...

[17:02:01]

high-rez:

Fantastic!

[17:02:11]

high-rez:

Err, hey now.

[17:02:12]

high-rez:

Harsh

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sphery:

:)

[17:02:18]

high-rez:

I love my atom based frontend with no moving parts.

[17:02:19]

high-rez:

:)

[17:02:27]

high-rez:

moving parts are the devil!!!

[17:03:15]

sphery:

unless those parts are hands

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sphery:

in which case, if they're not moving--i.e. idle--they're his playground

[17:04:29]

high-rez:

So uhm libav* is external now?

[17:04:32]

high-rez:

Interesting

[17:04:47]

sphery:

high-rez: no, it's in a directory called external

[17:04:56]

sphery:

meaning it's a library imported from an external project

[17:08:37]

wagnerrp:

wouldnt mythbuntu not have any package dependencies? i mean by definition, installing it should carry everything you may need to run mythtv

[17:09:24]

wagnerrp:

oh right, all those other distros package the 'dev' headers separately

[17:09:30]

wagnerrp:

i dont understand that at all

[17:09:36]

wagnerrp:

theyre text headers

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wagnerrp:

they take next to no room

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wagnerrp:

why not install them

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sphery:

next to no room???? $ du -sk /usr/include\n177520 /usr/include

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sphery:

do you know what I could store in 175MB?

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sphery:

that's like 30s of video

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wagnerrp:

HAH, i only have 169MB consumed by all those wasteful files

[17:13:19]

wagnerrp:

only 61MB on my gentoo bo

[17:13:20]

wagnerrp:

x

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sphery:

wow, your system is 4MiB more efficient than mine

[17:13:49]

sphery:

I'll write the code to make it so gcc can use bzip'ed includes

[17:13:57]

sphery:

then we can get it down to like 5MiB

[17:14:49]

sphery:

maybe I should use lzip'ed includes

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sphery:

take that xz!'

[17:15:35]

sphery:

heh, 17534050 bytes after compressing (10:1)

[17:15:41]

sphery:

that's bzip

[17:15:59]

wagnerrp:

freebsd and gentoo both include all that stuff in all their packages

[17:16:16]

wagnerrp:

the /only/ time ive even considered doing without it is on my firewall

[17:16:20]

Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

which formerly ran on a 512MB CF card

[17:16:38]

Beirdo:

of course. gentoo aspires to be freebsd

[17:16:44]

wagnerrp:

that 175MB would have actually made a big difference

[17:17:08]

Beirdo:

anywho... wagnerrp, sphery: if you would like to check if waitpid misbehaves for you too....

[17:17:10]

wagnerrp:

that, plus the garbage in share

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wagnerrp:

got a command to run?

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Beirdo:

http://www.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/test/waitpid.patch

[17:17:34]

wagnerrp:

or is this the jobqueue stuff?

[17:17:41]

sphery:

plzip'ing the includes, now

[17:17:41]

Beirdo:

then while it's running a commflag, kill the mythcommflag

[17:18:10]

Beirdo:

the backend *should* log that it died via signal, and tell you which signal

[17:18:18]

wagnerrp:

no-can-do

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Beirdo:

or that it exited, and tell you the exit code

[17:18:30]

wagnerrp:

my dev box is bsd, and bsd compilation is borken

[17:18:51]

Beirdo:

I think you just volunteered to fix it ;)

[17:19:09]

wagnerrp:

i just use this stuff, i dont know what makes it work

[17:19:16]

sphery:

hmmm... lzip'ed it's only 15762345 (so 2MB difference compared to 17MB for bzip2)

[17:19:25]

sphery:

I /love/ plzip, though

[17:19:39]

sphery:

all the benefit of xz, but multithreaded (and using all cores efficiently)

[17:19:46]

Beirdo:

heh, well, if I had bsd, maybe I'd care enough to make it compile

[17:20:05]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: problem in the toolchain

[17:20:24]

Beirdo:

heh, not too surprising

[17:20:30]

sphery:

so we just have to get gbee to stop talking about using xz for distribution and use lz, instead (which he probably won't confuse with xv, either)

[17:20:37]

wagnerrp:

too strict or something

[17:20:41]

sphery:

then we have to get red hat to see the light, too

[17:20:51]

Beirdo:

sphery: why bother?

[17:21:00]

wagnerrp:

strtoll doesnt exist in g++98, so im getting a broken include

[17:21:13]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: fun

[17:21:22]

Beirdo:

that can be worked around

[17:21:23]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I thought you used a non-strict compile and got it workign?

[17:21:25]

wagnerrp:

it should be picked up by some POSIX define, but that define causes other problems and is disabled for BSD builds

[17:21:48]

wagnerrp:

sphery: no, i manually compiled those individual cpp objects without the g++98 line

[17:22:35]

Beirdo:

it might be easy enough to suck the code for strtoll into a util.cpp file somewhere

[17:22:47]

sphery:

wagnerrp: what if you #define __USE_MISC 1 in BSD's compat stuff?

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Beirdo:

only to be compiled if needed

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Beirdo:

of course... if we used autoconf, this would be a lot more portable

[17:23:23]

wagnerrp:

well the ffmpeg sync is likely to have wide sweeping changes

[17:23:27]

wagnerrp:

ill see if that fixed anything

[17:23:28]

sphery:

thought that might get a lot of things, too

[17:23:35]

sphery:

yeah, probably better to do that

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high-rez:

sphery: But do you keep the same alternative namespace for it? E.g. does it stay is libmythavcodec or does it keep the original libavcodec now that it's not part of libmyth* ?

[17:23:56]

sphery:

and then have someone who's not me help find a real plan

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sphery:

high-rez: I'm guessing it will still say myth in the lib name to prevent problems with stomping all over the system installed ffmpeg

[17:24:58]

iamlindoro:

It does

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high-rez:

sphery: Yeah thats what I was wondering. :)

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high-rez:

It does... what ?

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iamlindoro:

still say myth in the lib name

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high-rez:

Hmm, make distclean is broken now...

[17:26:07]

iamlindoro:

make distclean works fine, you're just supposed to do it before you svn up

[17:26:17]

sphery:

Beirdo: why bother showing red hat the error of their ways? or why bother pushing lz?

[17:26:38]

high-rez:

iamlindoro: Ahh. I guess a reconfigure will fix that?

[17:26:39]

** kormoc blinks **

[17:26:47]

sphery:

in truth, I think bzip2 or gzip is fine for our purposes (as nearly no one should ever download out tarball, anyway)

[17:26:54]

sphery:

I just want xz to die

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Beirdo:

why bother pushing yet another compression format that isn't hugely better (compression vs decompression time and memory)

[17:27:10]

iamlindoro:

high-rez: find . -name 'Makefile' -delete && svn revert -R .

[17:27:15]

sphery:

oh, xz/lz /is/ hugely better

[17:27:35]

Beirdo:

not in both compression and decompression it isn't :)

[17:27:44]

sphery:

significantly longer compression time, but significantly smaller output--great for "compress once, download many"

[17:27:45]

kormoc:

Beirdo, what's the new format?

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sphery:

so that's why Red Hat switched to it

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Beirdo:

mind you for build once... who cares if compression takes a while

[17:28:07]

sphery:

but they're using xz, which is the experimental prototype

[17:28:19]

Beirdo:

decompression time/memory can still be an issue though

[17:28:19]

sphery:

and lzip is the real app designed with lessons learned from xz

[17:28:33]

sphery:

oh, it's actually /very/ fast to decompress

[17:28:40]

kormoc:

they likely started the conversion when xz was it

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Beirdo:

depends on the settings

[17:29:14]

Beirdo:

there's a full comparison out there. xz at > level 7 or so can be slower, and horrible on memory to boot

[17:29:26]

Beirdo:

but yeah, if you're careful...

[17:29:35]

sphery:

kormoc: yeah, they switched before lzip was ready

[17:29:45]

Beirdo:

anywho.

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wagnerrp:

mmm... cables

[17:29:59]

Beirdo:

sphery: wanna patch? ;)

[17:30:13]

sphery:

but now that lzip is final and plzip (which is multithreaded and makes full use of multicore) is available (and makes wall-clock compression times similar or less than even bzip)...

[17:30:15]

wagnerrp:

you know, i got the 'cheap', narrow gage DVI cables

[17:30:22]

wagnerrp:

but these things are still fairly thick

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sphery:

Beirdo: yeah, I'll try to apply that later and see what happens

[17:30:39]

kormoc:

sphery, convince jrod!

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Beirdo:

cool

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sphery:

kormoc: heh

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high-rez:

iamlindoro: good lookin' out.

[17:30:55]

Beirdo:

I don't get why it's being a beotch

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wagnerrp:

thicker than the stock cables i got with the monitors anyway

[17:31:21]

wagnerrp:

i wonder what the 'thick gage' cables look like

[17:31:23]

sphery:

I have to admit that I have no personal stake in the matter other than wanting to see lzip succeed because I like the implementation /much/ better

[17:31:34]

Beirdo:

it's seeming to me that glibc has a bug, but it may only be in ubuntu-packaged version, blah blah blah

[17:32:01]

sphery:

so I guess I just need to help j-rod stumble across plzip and be amazed with its real-world benefits :)

[17:32:22]

sphery:

Beirdo: would be a glibc bug in ubuntu-packaged version... they dropped glibc

[17:32:35]

sphery:

you know "Anti-Drepper" sentiment and all

[17:32:37]

Beirdo:

could be.

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sphery:

(they use eglibc)

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Beirdo:

which I need to find the source to

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Beirdo:

you'd think SOMEONE would have fixed this already

[17:36:04]

sphery:

Beirdo: Have you asked Captain_Murdoch about what the code is doing now? I think he's the one who knows the jobqueue stuff best.

[17:37:04]

Beirdo:

nope

[17:37:16]

Beirdo:

I went and looked at the code, and it was already wrong :)

[17:38:16]

Beirdo:

as in... the waitpid manpage clearly says not to use WEXITSTATUS unles WIFEXITED returns true

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Beirdo:

and when I fixed that... killing the commflag process gave "exited with exit code 143" Which is 0x8F, which is actually the signal+coredump byte

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Beirdo:

oh oh

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Beirdo:

hold your nose, we are plunging in :)

[17:46:23]

Beirdo:

I see Janne starting to commit the ffmpeg resync stuff

[17:46:27]

wagnerrp:

how many bags of these velcro straps did i buy?

[17:46:33]

kormoc:

42

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i think 20

[17:47:19]

wagnerrp:

i an beginning to realize why the 100ct bags were so much more expensive than the 6ct bags

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sphery:

because they had 16x the product?

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wagnerrp:

no, the 6ct bags were like $0.05/strap, the 100ct bags were $0.12/strap

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kormoc:

you got all tiny straps now?

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wagnerrp:

no, i just have 20 bags to open up and separate, instead of 2

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: where'd you get the velcro straps from?

[18:42:53]

wagnerrp:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?p_id=5815

[18:51:20]

wagnerrp:

aww

[18:51:36]

wagnerrp:

i bought some self-adhesive cable tie mounts to use with these

[18:51:40]

wagnerrp:

theyre just barely too small

[18:52:00]

Beirdo:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001E1Y5O6/ref=oss_product

[18:52:09]

Beirdo:

that should be arriving tomorrow :)

[18:52:14]

Beirdo:

great minds think alike

[18:53:47]

high-rez:

Man, I need some VP8 content to watch now

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wagnerrp:

mine were $2 cheaper... :P

[18:54:15]

Beirdo:

really?

[18:54:33]

high-rez:

Is there anything out there properly encoded for vp8 that I can play with ?

[18:54:34]

iamlindoro:

high-rez: Why? Because H.264 looks too crisp/decent to you?

[18:54:44]

high-rez:

iamlindoro: Cause I can.

[18:54:54]

iamlindoro:

mm

[18:54:57]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: $14.50 tax in with 1-day shipping

[18:55:09]

high-rez:

I wanna sit there, smoke a cigar, and feel superior cause I can watch vp8 video on my myth setup.

[18:55:18]

wagnerrp:

woo! no tax

[18:55:20]

high-rez:

Maybe even drink old scotch.

[18:55:26]

Beirdo:

smoke a cigar.. in the house?!

[18:55:27]

wagnerrp:

but the shipping, you win

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high-rez:

beirdo: Actually, no, never in the house. Its a rule at my house ;)

[18:55:43]

** Beirdo likes Amazon Prime :) **

[18:56:01]

Beirdo:

it should be a rule in every house. that smoke really sticks to crap well

[18:56:17]

high-rez:

My bro in law took advantage of prime last summer when it was so hot in seattle... Got the free next day on an AC unit.

[18:56:49]

high-rez:

I actually /hate/ smoking cigars. It wasn't till the last time I was in mexico that someone told me that I wasn't supposed to inhail.

[18:57:02]

Beirdo:

hahahahaha

[18:57:17]

Beirdo:

I learned that on the first inhale

[18:57:20]

Beirdo:

jeez :)

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high-rez:

I guess I'm a little thick.

[18:57:43]

high-rez:

:)

[18:58:23]

kormoc:

heh

[18:58:35]

kormoc:

I'd inhale and tell my friends they should too

[18:58:42]

kormoc:

and then I'd laugh when they'd get sick

[18:58:48]

Beirdo:

kormoc: you are an evil man :)

[18:58:54]

wagnerrp:

do you think we need some user intelligence tester, that slaps down users who post multiple of nearly the same email to the list in rapid succession?

[18:59:09]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: please implement it immediately

[19:00:45]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you know what the loop on these things is supposed to be for?

[19:01:09]

Beirdo:

on what things?

[19:01:20]

wagnerrp:

velcro straps

[19:01:27]

Beirdo:

oooh

[19:01:30]

wagnerrp:

i mean theyre velcro, they dont need to loop through anything to hold

[19:01:51]

Beirdo:

I think so you can tie to things easier. Not really sure

[19:02:05]

high-rez:

Woh, omg

[19:02:06]

high-rez:

awesome

[19:02:11]

high-rez:

*amazing*

[19:02:23]

Beirdo:

anywho. lunc

[19:02:41]

Beirdo:

http://www.amazon.com/Akro-Mils-30716-Economy . . . /B00027FEIO/

[19:02:52]

Beirdo:

thinking of those for inside my coffee table/trunk :)

[19:03:01]

Beirdo:

lunc

[19:03:03]

wagnerrp:

coffee trunk?

[19:03:16]

Beirdo:

it's a coffee table that is a trunk as well

[19:03:23]

high-rez:

the new ffmpeg sync brought more cowbell

[19:03:26]

Beirdo:

the storage inside needs some organization

[19:03:33]

Beirdo:

ting ting ting!

[19:03:39]

Beirdo:

time for lunch :)

[19:03:42]

wagnerrp:

trunk as in big container, not part of a vehicle

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sphery:

Beirdo: without the patch, I get 0 commercial breaks found when I issue a kill

[19:37:02]

sphery:

(that kill issued while still in logo-detection phase)

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CyberKnet:

hehehe

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CyberKnet:

(yes. random)

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CyberKnet:

Hmmm... I "need" some velcro ties.

[19:39:44]

CyberKnet:

I like zip ties, but they're a bit of a pain when it comes time to remove.

[19:42:49]

bobgill:

I keep getting "Your browser is old, please upgrade to latest firefox" on some sites like Youtube, but I update firefox-pgo regularly, what is causing this?

[19:42:56]

sphery:

Beirdo: with the patch, I get 15 breaks found

[19:43:03]

sphery:

(also killing during logo detection)

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** CyberKnet considers how many ties he really *needs* **

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justinh:

argh.. burping can be such hard work

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bjd:

hows justin junior doing?

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CyberKnet:

I totally forgot about the baby... was trying to figure out how burping was difficult ;)

[19:52:23]

bjd:

haha

[19:53:01]

CyberKnet:

was like ... huuuuu? *burp*

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Beirdo:

sphery: odd

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sphery:

what behavior do you get?

[19:58:03]

Beirdo:

that means that on your box, it didn't come in reversed?

[19:58:13]

Beirdo:

what's the log line look like?

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sphery:

2010-08–23 15:42:45.032 commflag: Commercial Detection Finished: "The Office":"Valentine's Day" recorded from channel 1651 at 2010-01–09T18:30:00 (15 commercial break(s))

[19:58:26]

sphery:

that line?

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sphery:

2010-08–23 15:42:45.029 exited: status=0, result=0

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Beirdo:

the one just before

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Beirdo:

and that's with you killing it?

[19:58:53]

sphery:

yeah

[19:59:05]

Beirdo:

which distro?

[19:59:16]

Beirdo:

or more to the point... glibc version

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sphery:

that for: 2010-08–23 15:42:02.456 commflag: Commercial Detection Starting: "The Office":"Valentine's Day" recorded from channel 1651 at 2010-01–09T18:30:00

[19:59:53]

Beirdo:

2010-08–23 00:43:13.882 signal: status=143, result=243, signal=15

[19:59:53]

Beirdo:

2010-08–23 00:43:13.901 JobQueue Error: Commercial Detection Errored: "The Siege

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Beirdo:

" recorded from channel 3331 at 2010-08–22T19:00:00 (Failed with exit status 243

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Beirdo:

)

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sphery:

glibc (not eglibc) 2.10.1, vanilla

[20:00:07]

Beirdo:

that was what I got

[20:00:14]

Beirdo:

OK. crap

[20:00:23]

Beirdo:

I think eglibc is the issue here

[20:00:34]

sphery:

I'm not seeing "signal" in there

[20:00:35]

Beirdo:

as now when a successful one happens:

[20:00:46]

sphery:

it's in mythbackend log?

[20:00:50]

sphery:

is it some other verbosity?

[20:00:52]

Beirdo:

2010-08–23 11:09:22.643 signal: status=1, result=243, signal=1

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sphery:

weird

[20:01:19]

Beirdo:

it puts exited if it detects an exit, signal if it detects a signal

[20:01:34]

Beirdo:

so my patch actually broke the working case for me

[20:01:45]

Beirdo:

I'm pretty sure this is an eglibc bug

[20:01:53]

sphery:

shouldn't I have seen a signal, then, when I killed it?

[20:02:02]

Beirdo:

yes.

[20:02:11]

Beirdo:

and you would if you comment out the byte swap lines

[20:02:32]

sphery:

oh...

[20:02:43]

Beirdo:

it seems that eglibc is inserting the signal info wrong

[20:02:52]

sphery:

so the patch assumes the weirdness your system is showing

[20:02:58]

Beirdo:

but why wouldn't someone have noticed this earlier

[20:03:00]

Beirdo:

yes

[20:03:15]

Beirdo:

and now we've seen that it's particular to my setup

[20:03:29]

Beirdo:

Qt version (just in case?)

[20:03:41]

sphery:

eglibc is supposedly, "not a fork of glibc," but is supposed to be just a libc that's easier to change (and without the politics of glibc)

[20:03:56]

Beirdo:

yeah, and broken, apparently :)

[20:04:04]

sphery:

if this is the type of change they're thinking, it may not be "A change I can believe in." :)

[20:04:41]

Beirdo:

the odd thing is... it seems to work with a test program

[20:05:19]

Beirdo:

so if you could comment out/remove the two byteswap lines (right after the waitpid calls) and try again, we could at least see :)

[20:05:44]

Beirdo:

and if I need some custom code for now for my box, so be it until I can track down how to get this fixed

[20:05:45]

sphery:

ok, running a test with one of my patches, first

[20:05:49]

Beirdo:

no prob

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Beirdo:

code = new Pile<crap>;

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CyberKnet:

:)

[20:14:29]

sphery:

heh, forgot to comment the byteswap and got the same result as last time

[20:14:34]

Beirdo:

hehehe

[20:14:43]

Beirdo:

yeah, commenting it does help :)

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CyberKnet:

compiled or interpreted code?

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CyberKnet:

cause if compiled – then from experience compiling it also helps.

[20:15:24]

CyberKnet:

;)

[20:15:44]

Beirdo:

tends to, yes

[20:16:12]

mib_9e44hf:

#mythtv-users do anyone know why i am haveing trouble with my frontend

[20:16:32]

Beirdo:

maybe you do.

[20:16:35]

kormoc:

Yes, you didn't sacrifice a mountain goat. Billie goats are not the same

[20:16:37]

CyberKnet:

Can be really frustrating looking for log messages that never appear, wondering what weird edge case you caused that made your code never get entered ... only to find when attaching a debugger that the compiled object is for a different version of source code :)

[20:16:45]

Beirdo:

you haven't given us ANY information to help

[20:17:13]

iamlindoro:

I know why

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mib_9e44hf:

I keep tring to open the front it and it comes on for 1 sec the is closed down

[20:17:18]

iamlindoro:

But I'm not telling

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kormoc:

mib_9e44hf, and the log says?

[20:17:40]

mib_9e44hf:

it is a second frontend

[20:17:56]

kormoc:

and the instructions for setting up a second frontend says?

[20:18:12]

Beirdo:

moo, I think.

[20:18:22]

Beirdo:

oh, no, wait. That's a cow

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kormoc:

A group of American Buddhists asked a cow if she had Buddha-Nature, and the cow said "Moo," but no one was enlightened

[20:19:46]

kormoc:

Aww, it clipped the paste

[20:19:47]

kormoc:

A group of American Buddhists asked a cow if she had Buddha-Nature, and the cow said "Moo," but no one was enlightened, for none of them spoke Chinese.

[20:20:05]

Beirdo:

heheh

[20:21:20]

sphery:

Beirdo: without the swap lines:

[20:21:21]

sphery:

2010-08–23 16:21:04.349 signal: status=15, result=243, signal=15

[20:21:21]

sphery:

2010-08–23 16:21:04.352 commflag: Commercial Detection Errored: "The Office":"Valentine's Day" recorded from channel 1651 at 2010-01–09T18:30:00 (Failed with exit status 243)

[20:21:24]

sphery:

2010-08–23 16:21:04.353 JobQueue Error: Commercial Detection Errored: "The Office":"Valentine's Day" recorded from channel 1651 at 2010-01–09T18:30:00 (Failed with exit status 243)

[20:21:31]

Beirdo:

good

[20:21:35]

Beirdo:

that's with a kill?

[20:21:42]

sphery:

yeah, normal kill

[20:21:43]

Beirdo:

that's working

[20:21:52]

sphery:

yeah, looks like it is

[20:22:01]

sphery:

as long as libc does :)

[20:22:03]

Beirdo:

and the only other thing to check is that a NORMAL commflag gives exited

[20:22:40]

sphery:

sounds like a good excuse to do something other than my patch, now, then

[20:23:27]

sphery:

not hungry enough for dinner, yet, though

[20:24:38]

Beirdo:

you got plenty of time, no rush

[20:24:59]

Beirdo:

and thanks for taking a look

[20:25:07]

** Beirdo slaps his eglibc **

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Beirdo:

I should get the source ubuntu built and go take a gander

[20:26:55]

sphery:

which version is yours?

[20:27:01]

wagnerrp:

some bastard on an auto-dialer keeps calling

[20:27:07]

wagnerrp:

i pick up the phone and

[20:27:22]

wagnerrp:

beeeep............. beeeeep............ beeeep............

[20:27:34]

Beirdo:

ii libc6 2.11.1–0ubuntu Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries

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Computer:

how does this work? do i browse the channel guide and select record?

[20:28:26]

Computer:

or do i need to look up showtimes somehow, and program it?

[20:28:28]

wagnerrp:

how does what work?

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kormoc:

Computer, it depends on where in the world you are, what you are capturing and what you are using to capture

[20:29:17]

Computer:

i see

[20:29:29]

Computer:

but it is possible, you are saying

[20:29:48]

kormoc:

if it wasn't, we wouldn't be here

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iamlindoro:

You haven't asked what is possible, so nobody has said anything is possible

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justinh:

wagnerrp: we've a nifty thing over here called the telephone preference service. if you put yourself on the list & some marketing idiot phones you from an identifiable number, they can get fined big style :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, weve got one of those too

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kormoc:

justinh, we have that too and now everyone uses 000-000–0000

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justinh:

hrm

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wagnerrp:

im just the idoit who keep answering the phone and not looking to see who it is

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iamlindoro:

Very very generally speaking, you download listings from the internet (in the USA, this means a $20/year subscription to Schedules Direct) and set rules based on show name

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Computer:

ah, iamlindoro

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wagnerrp:

Computer: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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justinh:

a good starting point for learning how to use any program you're not familiar with is the documentation

[20:31:17]

** wagnerrp consciously avoids the phone this time **

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justinh:

though for $100 an hour I could read it to you

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** Beirdo puts wagnerrp into another wardialler **

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, just pick up and say, "Oh god! It's horrible! BLOOD! BLOOD! EVERYWHERE!"

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wagnerrp:

but there is no one there

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wagnerrp:

just beeping

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kormoc:

ooh

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kormoc:

weird

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: it's a fax

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kormoc:

It must be the area 51 aliens attempting to program your mind via tones

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justinh:

I find a tinfoil hat helps the beeping stop

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sphery:

MythTV Executive Overview, an audio book featuring justinh

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sphery:

I listen to that in my car all the time

[20:33:36]

sphery:

got the cassette version

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** kormoc wonders if justinh has a audio book of Vogon Poetry **

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wagnerrp:

screw justinh, ill get the kindle robo-speak version

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sphery:

I like when he reads the drawings... "orangish arrow pointing to the left"

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, but the kindle book has the disable flag enabled! Muhahaha

[20:34:49]

wagnerrp:

noooooooo

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justinh:

who needs Vogon poetry when we've got the wiki?

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** kormoc laughs **

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wagnerrp:

my god... they just... keep... calling

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justinh:

some of the pages may aswell be Vogon poetry, I'll tell yi whut

[20:35:39]

sphery:

kormoc: you're really going to make me pull out my copy of The Ultimate again

[20:35:54]

sphery:

there's so much I should be doing with my time rather than re-reading that

[20:36:22]

kormoc:

just stop sleeping, plenty of time gain to be had there

[20:36:26]

justinh:

hmm on the strength of some youtube clips I watched tonight methinks I shall be ordering box sets of Robot Chicken

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: how sucky

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, The police just traced the call, it's coming from inside the house!

[20:37:25]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

of course, that only works if the house has two phone lines, but who needs reality?

[20:37:53]

kormoc:

Not according to hollywood

[20:38:09]

Beirdo:

yeah. heh

[20:38:17]

kormoc:

you just need a phone line to power line adapter!

[20:38:29]

Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

GDIAFOPOTS !

[20:38:45]

Beirdo:

using a bridge rectifier to turn the 48VDC into AC

[20:38:47]

Beirdo:

oh wait.

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kormoc:

Yeah! That'll work!

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justinh:

I keep getting emails promising me a better rectifier

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kormoc:

Beirdo, yeah, that's the episode that really caused me to hate that show

[20:39:18]

Beirdo:

I can't believe they were that effin' stupid

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Beirdo:

and to play it once... OK. but to rerun it?!

[20:40:11]

Beirdo:

thats' effin' bee-ess

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Beirdo:

stupid show :)

[20:43:12]

justinh:

hey, if you're gunning for tv shows to be more realistic...

[20:44:11]

wagnerrp:

does call block cost anything?

[20:44:15]

Beirdo:

at least hire ONE fact checker

[20:44:24]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, depends on your carrier

[20:44:24]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: probably, ask yer phone company

[20:44:43]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, taking the phone off the hook/unplugging it/muting the ringer are all free

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Beirdo:

it's one of those services that they can get away with charging for

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but ive got like four systems

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wagnerrp:

two cordless, two corded

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Beirdo:

ring a ding ding!

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kormoc:

can you call them back?

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wagnerrp:

yep, thats a fax machine

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sphery:

and you don't speak the dialect?

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kormoc:

so fax them a million faxes saying to stop faxing you!

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kormoc:

what's the number if I might so enquire?

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wagnerrp:

859-957–0228

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sphery:

867–5309?

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iamlindoro:

Don't you lose that number

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sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

sad

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kormoc:

doesn't look like anyone has that number on their website nor is it in the phone books

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Beirdo:

go make a loop of paper saying "STOP FAXING ME" and fax it to them

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phil____:

hiho

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kormoc:

a dairy oh?

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iamlindoro:

It's off to work he goes

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CyberKnet:

Or hook a fax machine up, accept the call, and browse the resulting goodness. You might find their ideas intriguing and wish to subscribe to their newsletter.

[20:58:05]

kormoc:

CyberKnet, I find your ideas intriguing and with to subscribe to your newsletter

[20:58:07]

phil____:

i've been configuring mythtv for roughly a week now, tv is still shown to the very right corner of my right screen

[20:58:13]

phil____:

has anyone seen this before?

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: :)

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sphery:

phil____: at least it's not to the very right corner of your wrong screen

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phil____:

:-)

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CyberKnet:

augh. eWiz selling 1.5tb SATA drives for $70 with free shipping. (code HIGH5)

[20:59:29]

phil____:

well the "right" screen is my main screen on the right hand side

[20:59:38]

sphery:

phil____: what problem are you having?

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CyberKnet:

poor, poor timing!

[20:59:55]

phil____:

so i don't see tv spanned across the twinview setup but just a 100 pixel part of it

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sphery:

not scaling, wrong placement, wrong screen?

[21:00:17]

sphery:

generally, you'll never be able to get tv on both screens

[21:00:25]

sphery:

most video cards put video only on the primary adapter

[21:00:34]

phil____:

sphery: i've tried a couple of scaling options from full full, overriding aspect ratio and what not

[21:00:45]

sphery:

opengl/vdpau may operate differently, but at least for "standard" traditional video, that's the case

[21:01:10]

phil____:

i've deactivated opengl, vdpau is not an option for me

[21:01:16]

phil____:

in some setup it said qt

[21:01:29]

phil____:

where can i look those settings up again?

[21:01:31]

sphery:

try using the Slim playback profile group

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phil____:

one sec

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sphery:

mythfrontend Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen

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CyberKnet:

I've never had success with viddypow

[21:01:54]

sphery:

change it to Slim

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CyberKnet:

:|

[21:02:32]

CyberKnet:

I'm not blaming the viddypow support mind you. I'm sure it is something I have (mis)configured.

[21:02:40]

Beirdo:

sphery: what kernel version / arch is that box?

[21:03:23]

phil____:

sphery: now tv begins just after the 4'th dot of "Please Wait...."

[21:03:39]

Shadow__1:

how would i go about looking up my schedules direct information through mysql

[21:03:43]

phil____:

i can see more but thats not really it, ain't?

[21:04:33]

phil____:

may a reason be that i use a twinview setup

[21:05:14]

phil____:

it looks like the tv screen ends where my projector would have it's right hand side end

[21:05:37]

phil____:

but i don't have the metamode activated

[21:05:52]

sphery:

Beirdo: 2.6.31.6 vanilla, x86_64 (not multilib)

[21:06:10]

Beirdo:

OK, good, so that gets rid of THAT variability :)

[21:06:15]

Beirdo:

thanks

[21:06:36]

phil____:

f

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sphery:

phil____: you need to set up the Xinerama settings in mythfrontend setup under appearance... the Monitor aspect ratio and the Display on screen settings

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justinh:

huh? the "please wait" dialog is animated? news to me

[21:08:06]

sphery:

Beirdo: on a normal/complete run: 2010-08–23 16:46:11.439 exited: status=0, result=0

[21:08:09]

sphery:

2010-08–23 16:46:11.468 commflag: Commercial Detection Finished: "The Office":"Valentine's Day" recorded from channel 1651 at 2010-01–09T18:30:00 (5 commercial break(s))

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sphery:

with patch

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Beirdo:

interesting

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sphery:

without byte swap

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justinh:

but then on my box with some themes it only got as far as "Please Wai..."

[21:08:46]

sphery:

justinh: you have to wai for the t

[21:08:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Perhaps you're using a widescreen theme on a 4:3 display?

[21:09:16]

sphery:

or on a screen with non-square pixels?

[21:09:26]

sphery:

seems qt's font scaling had issues in that case

[21:09:33]

justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: perhaps I *was* using a 16:9 theme which wasn't tested on 4:3 displays ;)

[21:09:36]

sphery:

I think Capt M fixed it, though

[21:09:47]

sphery:

(fixed myth to work in spite of the issue)

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justinh:

I hate qt's font scaling & rendering

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justinh:

mind, qt isn't the only thing with poor text rendering. Adobe AIR's is much, much worse

[21:10:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Hehehe... ;-) Yeah, all but one of my screens are now 16:9 (or 16:10), but a couple of them are not full HD, so they scaling isn't that great on them either...

[21:11:05]

sphery:

it's really hard to make text in mid-AIR--unless there's no gravity, in which case, the AIR tends to float away

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justinh:

AIR makes text look like letraset that's been placed by somebody with a bad twitch

[21:11:30]

sphery:

heh, that sounds like some of the pre-mythui-OSD caption text :)

[21:11:57]

kormoc:

my right eye is twitchy today

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justinh:

part of the time concept is taking me is making it look ok on 16:9 and 4:3 resolutions.. well that & a general lack of motivation

[21:12:07]

phil____:

sphery: well, mythfronted just hang, but i got menus and things allright, just not the tv picture

[21:12:08]

sphery:

kormoc: is that the evil one?

[21:12:11]

Beirdo:

sphery: that doesn't sound right to me, BTW

[21:12:16]

kormoc:

sphery, I'd guess so

[21:12:18]

justinh:

kormoc: my left eye has that.. when I've not had enough sleep

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justinh:

which is now ALL THE TIME ;)

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Beirdo:

the return value is supposed to be the number of the commflags

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kormoc:

justinh, yeah, I've certainly not had enough sleep

[21:12:39]

sphery:

Beirdo: which doesn't sound right? the 5 breaks and the status output info?

[21:12:44]

kormoc:

ooh right

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kormoc:

justinh, how goes the ilttle bugger?

[21:12:54]

justinh:

given a choice between a stye & a twitch I'll take the twitch

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phil____:

sphery: oh, now it works

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sphery:

phil____: cool

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phil____:

apart from the aspect

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justinh:

kormoc: we're still getting off lightly I think. at night he generally sleeps for 4 hour stretches

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kormoc:

nice

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sphery:

phil____: if you did overrides, etc, before, they will break things

[21:13:38]

justinh:

gets nasty wind though, and he's tricky to get it out of

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Yeah, my son was the same. ;-) Although that was 19 years ago!!!! heheheheh

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Beirdo:

sphery: I would have expected status=1280, result=5

[21:14:20]

justinh:

he's having a good ole wriggle on the livingroom floor on his mat right now.. hopefully expending the last of that energy :)

[21:14:23]

Beirdo:

you sure you grabbed the right one? :)

[21:14:29]

phil____:

sphery: so a casual restart for testing is not a bad idea? if i got you right

[21:14:47]

justinh:

got into a routine of bathtime just before midnight, then a feed.. then goes out like a light til about 4 or 5 am

[21:15:13]

justinh:

and now.. time to sterilise more bottles

[21:15:32]

Shadow__1:

i found it. It was in the videosources table in mythconverg :)

[21:16:26]

sphery:

Beirdo: and it was the status = ((status & 0xFF) << 8) | ((status & 0xFF00) >> 8);

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sphery:

I was supposed to comment (twice)?

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Beirdo:

yes

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Beirdo:

it's for two different code cases, not sure which path we follow

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Beirdo:

could you check back for a status=1280 in the logs? it might have been a return from another one you saw there

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CyberKnet:

if (hack1) { doWeirdSwap(); } else if (hack2) { doWeirderSwap(); }

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CyberKnet:

if (canCode) { doCode(); } else { criticize(); }

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sphery:

Beirdo: heh: 2010-08–23 16:46:04.107 exited: status=1280, result=5

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Beirdo:

ok, whew

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Beirdo:

:)

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sphery:

that status I pasted--right before the commflag exit line--was the preview gen that happened right after the commflag

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Beirdo:

ahhh

[21:19:54]

Beirdo:

that sounds about right

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sphery:

sorry for the bad paste

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sphery:

I didn't read enough of the logs and just assumed I'd see those 2 lines together

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Beirdo:

no problem. this calms me more ;)

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

2.6.34-rc1-jarod1 x86_64 here, BTW

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sphery:

woah, a j-rod kernel

[21:24:14]

Beirdo:

yup, to get my HDPVR IR working :)

[21:24:25]

sphery:

yeah, I have an old one, but have been operating on the "if it ain't broke" principle for a bit

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** Beirdo grumbles **

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Beirdo:

this may actually in fact be a kernel bug

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Beirdo:

sphery: you have your kernel source around?

[21:43:47]

sphery:

Beirdo: yeah

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Beirdo:

in kernel/exit.c, in wait_task_zombie

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Beirdo:

I'm seeing why = CLD_EXITED; status = exit_code >> 8;

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sphery:

I see the same

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Beirdo:

hmm

[21:46:04]

Beirdo:

OK, so at least it's not that in particular :)

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Beirdo:

I'm tracing it through the kernel code here from where waitpid hits the system call in kernel space

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sphery:

that's inside a if ((exit_code & 0x7f) == 0) { } and there's an else { why = (exit_code & 0x80) ? CLD_DUMPED : CLD_KILLED; status = exit_code & 0x7f; }

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Beirdo:

yeah, trying to find where that why & status info gets muxed back to the status returned

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sphery:

cool... just making sure there weren't qualifications for one of us and not the other :)

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Beirdo:

hmmm, and where it's actually writing what we look at:

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skd5aner:

sphery: r25796 – want me to put something about it in the changelog?

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Beirdo:

retval = put_user(status, wo->wo_stat);

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skd5aner:

seems as though I should

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skd5aner:

But, if I just put "Remove the on-startup database table check." I think it's going to cause questions, however if I put the full verbiage, it's a bit verbose for the changelog – suggestion on wording?

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wagnerrp:

whoops

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wagnerrp:

accidentally unplugged my laptop a couple hours ago

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wagnerrp:

looked over and luckily happened to see the emergency power level light blinking

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CyberKnet:

close call

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sphery:

skd5aner: I think [25796] and [25426] (and [25448]) should all be a wash--it was something we tried and removed, so no need for mention

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johnnyj:

did anyone see the writeup in wired magazine entitled "The New Way to Watch TV?"

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wagnerrp:

anything interesting?

[22:00:22]

sphery:

johnnyj: not their 2008 article: http://www.wired.com/entertainment/theweb/magazine/16-10/mf_hulu

[22:00:25]

skd5aner:

sphery: thanks, forgot about that...

[22:00:35]

skd5aner:

sphery: I already have this in the changelog, want me to remove – * Allow mythbackend and mythtv-setup to check and repair database tables on startup {{changeset|25426}}, {{changeset|25448}}

[22:00:46]

sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, that would be best

[22:00:52]

johnnyj:

nah it's on the stands now, and myth wasn't even mentioned

[22:01:08]

sphery:

hmmm... guess they're recycling headlines?

[22:01:25]

sphery:

what does is say is the new way, now?

[22:01:39]

sphery:

I still can't wait 'til Hulu goes all-subscription

[22:01:40]

johnnyj:

not that WIRED is really my goto for anything except a quick distraction at the airport

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sphery:

I sent a hulu link to my parents, who opened it on their iphones and got a page saying they needed to subscribe to Hulu Plus ($10/mo) to watch video on their iPhones. :)

[22:03:27]

Beirdo:

hah

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johnnyj:

under 'Software' they list XBMC, Boxee, Plex and Media Center

[22:03:35]

Beirdo:

sucky

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sphery:

heh, since at least one of those doesn't record TV, do they also show "The New Way to Steal TV"?

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sphery:

maybe a sidebar in the article

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johnnyj:

sphery: they did mention that some "software such as aggregators don't ask too many questions about where your content came from, so if you accidentally aquired some bittorrented material it will organize that too."

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I'm completely taking a stab here, but might the changes made in r25802 also be something that might impact BD?

[22:11:35]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: shouldn't

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iamlindoro:

At least, not to the best of my knowledge

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skd5aner:

cool, just figured to reason... but I know nothing about it :)

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iamlindoro:

yeah, elmojo has played with the blu-ray code at least a little, so I'm figuring it would have occurred to him if so-- pretty sure it's unaffected/only improved by the reordered_opaque stuff

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iamlindoro:

or not

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janneg:

don't build as root

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skd5aner:

yay for 4 year old defects being fixed :D

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skd5aner:

#3001

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skd5aner:

fribidi is no longer required at all, correct? (hence r25806)

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janneg:

lol: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/report/14 "Tickets closed in the last week (or so)" (8471 matches)

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iamlindoro:

janneg: If you think *that* is obnoxious, wait til you see my configure patches to enable BD-Java ;)

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

we do a rm -rf /?

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** kormoc blinks and wonders if it's too late to cancel his build **

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janneg:

skd5aner: yes, I suppose Qt4 has proper to left support

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janneg:

kormoc: I was contemplating adding it to configure

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janneg:

;)

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Beirdo:

janneg: don't even think about it :)

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** kormoc gets the slightly worried shifty eyes **

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Beirdo:

we'd have to send everyone to you when they destroy at least a portion of their system :)

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CyberKnet:

Thank goodness for package management that shields me from such. Surely I would be the fool building as root.

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kormoc:

I build my packages sandboxed but I don't want to test it that much :P

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skd5aner:

janneg: "use non-deprecated functions after recent sync" – when was the recent sync?

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kormoc:

the one a few revisions earlier?

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** janneg wouldn't think of actually start writing that or even committing but nobody should build as root **

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janneg:

skd5aner: today

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Beirdo:

janneg: agreed there. only "make install" should be done as root, really

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skd5aner:

janneg: sorry to go on about it, but I don't see the commit- what was the r #?

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skd5aner:

I see r25804, but that's the the props

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skd5aner:

803

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janneg:

[25803] the commit mail is missing and probably waits for moderator approval

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skd5aner:

yup – that's the issue, went to timeline on trac to find it

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skd5aner:

I typically read commit list, so that's where I missed it

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janneg:

don't click on the diff, it will probably crash trac

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skd5aner:

too late

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skd5aner:

but it loaded

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elmojo:

skd5aner, iamlindoro: the reason I had to commit r25802 was because someone a long time ago disallowed timestamp fixups for DVD but didn't leave a comment and the new reordered_opaque code requires fixups to generate timestamps when they are missing.

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skd5aner:

janneg: off the top of your head, do you know what the last FFmpeg revision number was that it was synced from?

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janneg:

24880

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skd5aner:

that's the current revision (correct), what was the previous revision?

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janneg:

21657

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skd5aner:

cool, thanks

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ComradeHaz`:

Hi all. Please could someone tell me the best remote control to get for use with Myth TV?

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wagnerrp:

the one that matches your IR receiver

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i_is_cat:

right on

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kormoc:

ComradeHaz`, I like to hire Eastern Europeans to go press buttons when I demand

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i_is_cat:

i'd like to go get a beer.. so i will

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ComradeHaz`:

kormoc, me too, but I am a little short of cash at the moment and the missus is refusing despite frequent punishment.

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jduggan:

ComradeHaz`: sounds like you need to subscribe her to some wet tea-towel treatment

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kingdon:

nice

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jduggan:

lol

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ComradeHaz`:

:D

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kormoc:

oh lord, what have I wrought

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jduggan:

:)

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ComradeHaz`:

I like that idea.

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ComradeHaz`:

...and she seems to too.

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ComradeHaz`:

Right.

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ComradeHaz`:

Uh. I think it might be bed time :D

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Beirdo:

more likely sofa time

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ComradeHaz`:

(a serious answer would be useful at some point.)

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Beirdo:

you got one.

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Beirdo:

whatever works with your IR receiver

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Beirdo:

the most commonly used would be MCE remotes, AFAIK

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kormoc:

ComradeHaz`, it's like asking what's the best color for my bedroom

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ComradeHaz`:

I don't have a receiver.

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kormoc:

I love my mceusb2 remote

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kormoc:

others hate it

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ComradeHaz`:

I see.

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Beirdo:

I've grown to appreciate mine

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Goldfisch:

I have struggling with http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire to get firewire working with my Pacer RNG110 box. Unfortunately, I don't see any packets coming back in either p2p or broadcast mode.

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Shadow__X:

Goldfisch: are you trying to check it on a local broadcast channel

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Shadow__X:

also firewire is not the most stable choice

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Goldfisch:

Shadow_X: Do you mean, is my cable box tuned to a broadcast TV channel?

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Goldfisch:

s/Shadow_X/Shadow__X/

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nichos:

hi all, im running mythtv w/4 tuners. when I go to the guide it doesn't show an upcoming recording as being recorded, but it does when i go menu->schedule recordings->upcoming recordings

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nichos:

it shows as being recorded

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kormoc:

you sure it's on the same station/channel/etc?

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nichos:

ya, i dont have cable, I only get like 5 chans:)

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nichos:

now I dont know what tuner im using

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nichos:

it will record it no problem, I would just like to see it as being recorded in the guide

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Goldfisch:

Shadow__X: Do I need to adjust the cable box to be on some readable TV show?

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Goldfisch:

I was hoping firewire would be easier to pull the video off the box while also offering channel changing.

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kormoc:

Goldfisch, they're only required to allow you to receive only a few stations via firewire

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ComradeHaz`:

Well guys, put it this way: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/235416 or http://www.ebuyer.com/product/129363 ???#

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** iamlindoro would get the Hauppauge because he *knows* it would work-- the other, never heard of 'em **

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ComradeHaz`:

roger that, thankyou.

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ComradeHaz`:

Hmm, I'm just running an install of Mythbuntu and it's asking what remote I have. Any idea which of the Hauppagues that one is?

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garyg:

Having a problem with mythweb 0.23.1 – an excerpt of the apache2 log says: "PHP Warning: require(modules/_shared/tmpl/tmpl/header.php):" note – tmpl shows up twice??? suggestion on how to fix it?

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xris:

odd.. that bug got fixed months ago. maybe not backported, though.

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garyg:

rather that using the debian package, perhaps I should install from source???

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andreax:

Anyone got an Idea, why mythshutdown brings back 16 as status even when i try to unlock mythtv?

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phil____:

is there a solution for moving a running mythtv from one xinerama screen to another?

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phil____:

not different x-displays, but different monitors

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phil____:

i have a CRT/DFT setup and a DFT/TV-out one with a projector

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phil____:

on one setup i need myth on display 0, in the other on display 1

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phil____:

do i have to wrap the hole thing in an sql statement changing the config and restart?

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kormoc:

use the custom identifier ?

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kormoc:

and you'll have to restart

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phil____:

can i somehow set the xinerama screen easily with an IR or by a script invoked by IR?

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phil____:

is there a CLI to myth setup?

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wagnerrp:

no

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phil____:

so wrapping the hole thing in an sql would do the trick

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phil____:

is there a way to "bookmark" the current screen to revert to it after restart?

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sphery:

better would be using 2 different frontend configurations

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sphery:

and set a different HOME to access them

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sphery:

and have a $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml which specifies different LocalHostName overrides

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phil____:

ah, you don't save the frontend config in the sql?

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sphery:

then you can do all config in the GUI, no direct DB access is required, and you won't break your config

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phil____:

can i specify just another config.xml file then?

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phil____:

well, that'd be kind of CLI

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phil____:

but would come in handy

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phil____:

i've read quite a bit about related stuff, and stumbled upon xmove

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phil____:

that would be another option imho

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phil____:

but it's not developed further since a while so i didn't try it out myself

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wagnerrp:

yeah, xmove is abandoned and long since non-functional

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phil____:

sort of seperate x-server just beeing a proxy

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wagnerrp:

what were you going to use it for?

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phil____:

well

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phil____:

as i said i've got 2 twinview configs

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wagnerrp:

if its something sane, i might recommend xpra

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wagnerrp:

but if youre looking to swap instances of an opengl application between two x-servers, i wouldnt call that sane

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wagnerrp:

mythtv being an opengl application

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phil____:

i'm dynamically switching between those twinview configs

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phil____:

so it's the very same x-server

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ComradeHaz`:

Guys, what's the best way to point my myth box at remotely stored content? That is, I have myth front and backend running on a box but all storage is to be on a remote machine. The machine already shares the directories using samba....

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phil____:

but one with 1280x1024 + 1680x1050, the other 1680x1050 + 800x600

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ComradeHaz`:

Should I mount using sshfs or what?

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phil____:

moving windows automatically from xinerama 0 to xinerama 1 would be the best

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phil____:

the whole mythtv'd be great, and by IR remote is what I am aiming for

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kormoc:

that's kinda hard

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kormoc:

but patches welcome

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kormoc:

ComradeHaz`, mount them via SMB?

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phil____:

yeah i'd say the same but I'm coding enough in work

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kormoc:

and you think we're different :P

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phil____:

hm, no

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kormoc:

Okaaaayyyyy then....

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phil____:

i'd try enabling multiple config files first including a reload thingy

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phil____:

but changing the config file and simply restarting myth is way easier

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phil____:

i'm going to automate that

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ComradeHaz`:

that's what I reckoned too, kormoc

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ComradeHaz`:

May sound silly, but I actually dunno how to do that!

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kormoc:

plenty of hits on google I'm sure

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ComradeHaz`:

Aye

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ComradeHaz`:

Will look tomorrow.

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ComradeHaz`:

Now, though, it is tea towel time!

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ComradeHaz`:

nn!

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phil____:

n8 ComradeHaz`

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phil____:

wagnerrp: what are xpra's capabilities?

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