| Sunday, August 22nd, 2010, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:03] | wagnerrp: | not a fan of montana? |
| [00:02:27] | ** RogerM finally added the backtrace of his seg fault. Hope I choose the right myth component to the bug report. ** | |
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| [00:03:43] | RogerM: | hmm.. TicketHowTo doesn't say anything about choosing components.. well.. hope it will come to right person.. |
| [00:05:08] | RogerM: | hmm.. I have to go to bed.. It is there in the page.. Must be getting blind in this late hour.. |
| [00:06:06] | RogerM: | blizzard`: Yup.. And it's pronounched just like that too. :) I live about 200km from there. =) |
| [00:06:23] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: especially not Hannah :) |
| [00:09:09] | blizzard`: | =) |
| [00:10:04] | ** RogerM has to catch some Zzzz... ** | |
| [00:10:34] | blizzard`: | close to Trondheim right? |
| [00:10:43] | tgm4883: | does the database restore script dump an existing db first? |
| [00:11:00] | blizzard`: | according to google maps, im about 400km from Hell =) |
| [00:11:06] | RogerM: | blizzard`: Yup.. Not that far away.. Very close to the international airport infact. :) |
| [00:11:14] | blizzard`: | (Sweden) |
| [00:11:36] | blizzard`: | So traveling by car, I'll actually have to go through Hell to get to Trondheim ;) |
| [00:12:39] | RogerM: | blizzard`: 226km for me. =) |
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| [00:13:29] | RogerM: | blizzard`: I think the residents there have heard every kind of joke there is about Hell. :) |
| [00:13:58] | blizzard`: | I guess =) |
| [00:14:25] | blizzard`: | Must be one of those towns that has alot of tourism just cuz of the name =) |
| [00:15:23] | iamlindoro: | RogerM, BT looks good, thanks |
| [00:15:59] | iamlindoro: | Looks like the crash is probably in the OpenGL renderer, though |
| [00:16:11] | RogerM: | iamlindoro: good. I'm not that fluent i backtrace-ish. The doc really helped there. |
| [00:16:25] | iamlindoro: | RogerM, If you have an nVidia card > 8000 series, you can try one of the VDPAU profiels, otherwise you might try the "Normal" or "Slim" playback profiles |
| [00:16:35] | iamlindoro: | Anything without OpenGL, really |
| [00:18:01] | RogerM: | iamlindoro: Ok.. Will do.. This is actually in VirtualBox but with opengl-enabled additions.. Not a recommended setup I know but still.. It's a crash that shouldn't happen.. brb |
| [00:20:08] | kormoc: | RogerM, well, if they didn't implement all the calls (which they didn't) there might be nothing we can do about it |
| [00:21:38] | RogerM: | kormoc: never expected it to work either. but it was a good test. You never know until you test. |
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| [00:24:10] | iamlindoro: | We *may* (and that's not promising anything) be able to at elast avoid the segfault and fail on playback, we'll see |
| [00:29:42] | RogerM: | hmm.. I choose slim but -v playback still says it choose opengl.. ok.. what did I do wrong now.. |
| [00:29:57] | iamlindoro: | Possible Vbox doesn't provide Xv |
| [00:30:33] | iamlindoro: | (unless you edited the profile to use GL) |
| [00:33:35] | sphery: | what does xvinfo show? |
| [00:34:26] | RogerM: | sphery: X-Video Extension version 2.2 |
| [00:34:38] | sphery: | and does it show a screen section? |
| [00:34:49] | sphery: | with one or more adaptors |
| [00:35:27] | RogerM: | that was strange: no adaptors present |
| [00:35:34] | RogerM: | no wonder.. |
| [00:35:37] | sphery: | yeah, means that none of the drivers support Xv |
| [00:36:36] | RogerM: | well.. As long as most of it works I'm happy. I'm only setting this up for do some ad-hoc testing of translations. |
| [00:36:45] | sphery: | lots of questions on how to enable Xv in vboxvideo driver, but no answers that I'm finding |
| [00:36:59] | sphery: | I'm assuming you're running VirtualBox under a Windows host? |
| [00:37:32] | sphery: | yeah, I was wondering about the crazy guy on Trac trying to run mythfrontend in VirtualBox until I realized it was you :) |
| [00:37:50] | sphery: | makes sense if you're just doing translations and just trying to see the UI |
| [00:40:26] | RogerM: | sphery: Yea.. My wife would do some things with me that you shouldn't speak of if I used our live system. :) So.. virtualbox it is.. Thanks anyway. |
| [00:41:29] | sphery: | heh |
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| [00:41:51] | sphery: | wondering if XSHM would work for video?' |
| [00:41:53] | RogerM: | anyway.. You can just close the the ticket if you want unless you want to use it to do some testing to crash-proof the frontend. |
| [00:42:03] | sphery: | would be /terrible/ performance, but... |
| [00:42:12] | marc-us: | howdy |
| [00:42:18] | RogerM: | wasn't there support for shm way back? |
| [00:42:19] | sphery: | no, the ticket is good--preventing segfaults is a good thing |
| [00:42:46] | sphery: | yeha, shm is the most basic approch |
| [00:44:08] | sphery: | don't know how to enable it, anymore, though |
| [00:44:47] | bjd: | anyone seen this before? sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified |
| [00:45:02] | bjd: | trying to use the shutdown thing within mythwelcome |
| [00:45:16] | [R]: | bjd: it needs to prompt for a password but it not on an interactive prompt |
| [00:45:25] | [R]: | bjd: you need to use passwordless for that |
| [00:45:45] | bjd: | i configured sudo so it doesn't need a password tho |
| [00:46:10] | RogerM: | sphery: dont break a sweat trying to enable it again.. Maybe someday virtualbox opengl will actually work. :) |
| [00:46:24] | [R]: | bjd: sure about that? |
| [00:46:42] | bjd: | %admin ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown, /bin/sh, /usr/bin/setwakeup.sh |
| [00:46:45] | bjd: | think thats right |
| [00:46:59] | [R]: | well when you do it on the commandline, what happens |
| [00:47:04] | bjd: | works fine |
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| [00:47:07] | [R]: | weird |
| [00:48:09] | sphery: | RogerM: yeah, OpenGL would be way better |
| [00:48:17] | bjd: | yup, very weird |
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| [00:51:24] | RogerM: | bjd: Found this link when googling. Maybe you found it too? http://www.sudo.ws/pipermail/sudo-users/2010- . . . /004315.html |
| [00:52:17] | bjd: | Yeah, i don't have requiretty in my config and it's off by default |
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| [00:57:28] | RogerM: | bjd: You are not the only one with the problem on the net with mythwelcome and sudo. Some even say it is solved. Found german that said it was solved but google translate made a mess of the translation so I'm not sure what he did. :) |
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| [00:57:45] | i_is_cat: | x |
| [00:59:02] | Beirdo: | yay, Family Guy in 720p with 5.1 audio |
| [00:59:05] | Beirdo: | gotta love OTA |
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| [01:00:48] | i_is_cat: | walmart has a 15" lcd tv that does 720p for $150 :O its as thick as a house |
| [01:01:08] | Beirdo: | why the heck? |
| [01:01:18] | i_is_cat: | i dont know.. |
| [01:01:22] | Beirdo: | anyways |
| [01:01:56] | i_is_cat: | ota sounds nice from what i've read.. but i believe theres only like one channel in my area.. :( |
| [01:02:42] | i_is_cat: | might have asked this before.. but has anyone setup a wii through mythtv? |
| [01:03:29] | kormoc: | yes, and it's a horrible idea |
| [01:03:33] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:04:46] | i_is_cat: | because of delay? |
| [01:05:03] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [01:05:15] | kormoc: | indeed, nothing like a multisecond delay to make a third gen console be worse then a atari |
| [01:05:16] | wagnerrp: | the (multiple second) delay |
| [01:05:27] | wagnerrp: | hehe... third |
| [01:05:44] | kormoc: | isn't that what they're calling it? |
| [01:05:55] | wagnerrp: | didnt atari make a third generation console? |
| [01:06:03] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [01:06:14] | kormoc: | but for gamers these days, nothing existed before the playstation |
| [01:06:16] | i_is_cat: | but quality of picture is good? |
| [01:06:27] | kormoc: | that depends on your capture device/etc |
| [01:06:45] | i_is_cat: | thinking of using a splitter to direct output from wii to tv and tuner so i can have no delay while playing, but still record what im doing.. |
| [01:07:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, third generation was the NES, Master System, and Atari 7800 |
| [01:07:06] | wagnerrp: | along with various lesser consoles |
| [01:07:18] | kormoc: | because the world needs to see your speed run though wii tennis? |
| [01:08:08] | wagnerrp: | thats over 9000 aces in a row |
| [01:08:17] | i_is_cat: | lol no.. because there are some pretty messed up things in some games i'd like to capture.. |
| [01:12:34] | RogerM: | well well well.. Mplayer with -vo gl and -vo gl2 works without a problem in virtualbox. |
| [01:12:43] | RogerM: | VO: [gl2] 720x576 => 1024x576 BGR 24-bit |
| [01:12:44] | RogerM: | [gl2] You have OpenGL >= 1.2 capable drivers, GOOD (16bpp and BGR is ok!) |
| [01:12:46] | RogerM: | [gl2] antialiasing off |
| [01:12:47] | RogerM: | [gl2] bilinear linear |
| [01:13:03] | wagnerrp: | bilinear linear? |
| [01:16:58] | RogerM: | tear free sd video upscaled with mplayer in virtualbox.. pretty good. I'm surprised.. |
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| [01:19:33] | RogerM: | and that's a wrap... I need to sleep.. See you later.. |
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| [01:28:55] | etotheipi: | (using Mythbuntu 10.04) I've manually added the xmltvids for all channels, but when I run mythfilldatabase, it exits almost immediately without updating the EPG data. I'm using tv_grab_uk_rt. |
| [01:30:29] | sphery: | etotheipi: mythfilldatabase output to http://www.pastebin.com/ please |
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| [01:31:53] | etotheipi: | http://pastebin.com/YP46gf9a |
| [01:32:52] | wagnerrp: | so the xmltv grabber itself is misconfigured |
| [01:33:10] | etotheipi: | I ran tv_grab_uk_rt --configure and accepted the defaults |
| [01:33:14] | etotheipi: | enabling all channels |
| [01:33:37] | sphery: | you need to have the conf file set up for mythtv |
| [01:33:48] | wagnerrp: | you might want to wait around until tomorrow |
| [01:33:55] | sphery: | so stored in $HOME/.mythtv ... a file... something like <sourcename>.xmltv |
| [01:34:03] | wagnerrp: | we have several people around here who use the radiotimes grabber |
| [01:34:06] | sphery: | mythfilldatabase --manual is how people normally configure it |
| [01:34:08] | wagnerrp: | but theyre likely all asleep |
| [01:34:16] | sphery: | well, maybe not normally, but is one way |
| [01:34:32] | sphery: | if nothing else, run mythfilldatabase --manual and just accept all defaults |
| [01:34:45] | sphery: | and if you like, replace the file it creates with the one you already created for xmltv |
| [01:34:47] | etotheipi: | well, there is one .xmltv file in that directory |
| [01:35:10] | sphery: | heh: Awesomesauce |
| [01:35:19] | etotheipi: | that one, yes ;-P |
| [01:35:42] | etotheipi: | running "mythfilldatabase --manual" gives the same output as I pasted on PB |
| [01:35:44] | sphery: | compare that to your $HOME/.xmltv* config files |
| [01:35:47] | wagnerrp: | sphery: should i respond that xbmc is not a supported, nor suggested, frontend? |
| [01:35:52] | dustybin: | does mythtv code use regex ? |
| [01:36:01] | wagnerrp: | some, yes |
| [01:36:17] | dustybin: | how about sed / awk |
| [01:36:26] | wagnerrp: | why would it? |
| [01:36:30] | dustybin: | im not sure |
| [01:36:35] | dustybin: | just wondered |
| [01:36:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, seems he's happy that it's not a bug, at least |
| [01:36:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: may want to direct him to some xbmc resource, though |
| [01:36:52] | wagnerrp: | regular expressions are available through a library |
| [01:36:58] | wagnerrp: | sed and awk are external programs |
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| [01:37:37] | dustybin: | does sed and awk use regex? |
| [01:37:49] | wagnerrp: | sed can, dont know about awk off hand |
| [01:37:52] | dustybin: | ok |
| [01:38:11] | wagnerrp: | do understand that there are several flavors of regular expressions |
| [01:38:26] | dustybin: | yep, different languages use different versions |
| [01:38:28] | wagnerrp: | similar, but often not directly compatible |
| [01:38:49] | sphery: | etotheipi: well, your grabber, when executed, is returning status code 255... I don't know what that error code means for tv_grab_uk_rt, but if you can figure that out, you can fix it |
| [01:38:52] | etotheipi: | sphery: I ran a diff on ~/.xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt.conf and ~/.mythtv/Awesomesauce.xmltv and they're both identical. |
| [01:39:16] | sphery: | if mythfilldatabase --manual doesn't work, that means that there's a much-lower-level problem (i.e. script permissions, prerequisites, ...) |
| [01:39:30] | etotheipi: | hmmm.... |
| [01:39:52] | etotheipi: | where does it return that status code? I don't see it in the mythfilldatabase output |
| [01:40:10] | sphery: | of course, exit 255 is generally returned because the script output some exit > 255 (which is out of range), so the shell gives 255 |
| [01:40:18] | dustybin: | mythtv is a mix of C, C++, Python |
| [01:40:25] | sphery: | meaning # |
| [01:40:27] | sphery: | 2010-08–22 02:29:34.763 FillData, Error: xmltv returned error code 65280 |
| [01:40:31] | sphery: | is where it's output |
| [01:40:36] | sphery: | 65280 = 255 :) |
| [01:40:50] | bjd: | etotheipi: it's not moaning about the date is it? |
| [01:40:54] | sphery: | (you have to right shift 8 bits, then figure out the value) |
| [01:41:17] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is all C and C++ |
| [01:41:20] | bjd: | i.e. it's not "XMLTV requires a Date::Manip timezone of +0000 to work properly." |
| [01:41:25] | wagnerrp: | with a bit of ASM thrown in for good measure |
| [01:41:29] | sphery: | ah, yeah, I've been hearing people rumbling about Date::Manip and tv_grab_uk_rt... |
| [01:41:36] | sphery: | good point bjd |
| [01:41:41] | wagnerrp: | perl, python, and php are used for external helper applications |
| [01:41:45] | etotheipi: | err |
| [01:41:49] | etotheipi: | bjd: let me check |
| [01:41:54] | etotheipi: | I remember seeing that somewhere, I think. |
| [01:41:58] | wagnerrp: | but take no part in the core code |
| [01:42:11] | bjd: | it's about half way in the output |
| [01:42:12] | sphery: | good thing we have at least one UK insomniac in here :) |
| [01:42:29] | ** bjd just configuring new backend so good timing all round ** | |
| [01:42:39] | etotheipi: | bjd: it doesn't do it anymore, but the first time I'd run it in some time it did (after the main output); I had to check back through the terminal buffer |
| [01:43:06] | etotheipi: | I assumed, as it went away, that it had "fixed itself" ;-p |
| [01:43:06] | bjd: | might also want to check: http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_id.php |
| [01:43:20] | ** myth_leech is the dumbass of the day ** | |
| [01:43:44] | myth_leech: | I was trying to configure my HVR-1600 as an IVTV MPEG 2 card, not as a DVB card :) |
| [01:43:52] | wagnerrp: | its both |
| [01:44:16] | wagnerrp: | it has two independent tuners |
| [01:44:23] | myth_leech: | yeah, but the digital channels don't work so well on the analog side :) |
| [01:44:45] | sphery: | yeah, exit code is not useful info with that script |
| [01:44:45] | myth_leech: | They work much better on the DVB tuner :) |
| [01:44:49] | wagnerrp: | well both should autodetect the proper device nodes when you set them up |
| [01:44:56] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv |
| [01:45:02] | wagnerrp: | -setup |
| [01:45:05] | sphery: | too many places where it could get set to something from a variable value |
| [01:45:10] | etotheipi: | bjd, does that time error completely break the whole process? |
| [01:45:20] | bjd: | etotheipi: definitely |
| [01:45:35] | dustybin: | is code really that complex?! if hackers can find holes in code, that means code must be really complex? |
| [01:45:38] | bjd: | etotheipi: one sec |
| [01:45:44] | etotheipi: | hmm... |
| [01:46:13] | etotheipi: | I may be able to source and compile a bleeding edge libdate-manip-perl |
| [01:46:14] | myth_leech: | dusty: bugs find their way into any code, they're just easier to find and fix in simple code |
| [01:46:24] | wagnerrp: | if you are talking about mythtv, mythtv is riddled full of holes |
| [01:46:27] | bjd: | etotheipi: what distro? |
| [01:46:27] | dustybin: | has there ever been a mythtv exploit? |
| [01:46:30] | wagnerrp: | it was never designed with security in mind |
| [01:46:47] | dustybin: | aye indeed |
| [01:46:56] | etotheipi: | bjd: I installed MythTV under Mythbuntu 10.04. this bug appears to be Debian-specific, AFAICT |
| [01:46:56] | wagnerrp: | there may be exploits |
| [01:47:02] | wagnerrp: | no one has really bothered to find out |
| [01:47:12] | wagnerrp: | since protocol access is wide open for anyone who cares to use it |
| [01:47:12] | dustybin: | i think mythweb had a brief exploit when people could google peoples mythweb |
| [01:47:16] | etotheipi: | --> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560300 |
| [01:47:34] | wagnerrp: | similarly, no one has really bothered to find out if mythweb has exploits |
| [01:47:39] | dustybin: | indeed |
| [01:47:48] | wagnerrp: | since it has no authentication mechanism, and is wide open for the world to use it |
| [01:47:50] | dustybin: | mythtv isnt a high end security app |
| [01:47:59] | etotheipi: | let me try enabling the 'proposed' repository and see if there's a new version. |
| [01:48:00] | jams: | that was less an exploit, and more people not nowing how to setup apache |
| [01:48:07] | bjd: | etotheipi: what a min |
| [01:48:10] | bjd: | er |
| [01:48:11] | bjd: | wait |
| [01:48:17] | bjd: | fs. too late for this stuff :p |
| [01:48:21] | sphery: | etotheipi: try running: mythfilldatabase -v xmltv |
| [01:48:26] | jams: | *knowing |
| [01:48:29] | sphery: | etotheipi: that may show exactly what's failing |
| [01:48:40] | wagnerrp: | yes, since the (proper) fix had nothing to do with mythweb, and everything to do with setting up apache |
| [01:48:48] | bjd: | etotheipi: http://www.artificialworlds.net/freeguide/FAQ/DateManipError |
| [01:48:55] | etotheipi: | now I see the error bjd mentioned immediately after the grabber runs. |
| [01:49:00] | wagnerrp: | mythweb did its own internal fix that simply refused to talk to any of the known robot UAs |
| [01:49:12] | bjd: | grab all those debs and install tehm |
| [01:49:18] | bjd: | and it all works =) |
| [01:49:24] | dustybin: | i think local exploits + mythtv dont count, but remote exploits do |
| [01:49:26] | ** etotheipi tries ** | |
| [01:49:36] | bjd: | it's nearly 3am so i'll bid you all g'night! |
| [01:49:40] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has no remote exploits |
| [01:49:43] | sphery: | bjd: thanks for helping with it |
| [01:49:50] | wagnerrp: | since it was not designed for remote access |
| [01:50:03] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: mythweb is the only way in |
| [01:50:06] | wagnerrp: | any such access is a misconfiguration |
| [01:50:08] | sphery: | I'm sure I would have led him down the wrong path without your help :) |
| [01:50:55] | dustybin: | mythweb relies on apache password |
| [01:51:10] | dustybin: | but some users skip that.. |
| [01:51:12] | wagnerrp: | rather, mythweb has no password, and relies on you to set up security |
| [01:51:27] | dustybin: | aye |
| [01:51:53] | dustybin: | and if you have access to mythweb one could cause havoc to the db? |
| [01:52:07] | etotheipi: | night, bjd. thanks for the help ;-) |
| [01:52:22] | wagnerrp: | well there is a basic database manipulation page |
| [01:53:38] | dustybin: | in the old days i found lots of unprotected mythweb systems |
| [01:54:06] | dustybin: | using a google search |
| [01:54:38] | etotheipi: | dustybin: muahaha! you can sneak in and change their channel numbers! |
| [01:54:59] | dustybin: | i was tempted but i didnt.. |
| [01:55:13] | dustybin: | was interesting seeing oz tv line up |
| [01:55:41] | clever: | schedule it to record pron tomorow? :P |
| [01:55:43] | etotheipi: | in other news, it seems that something is actually happening with mythfilldatabase now |
| [01:55:56] | wagnerrp: | i trust the mythweb guys that its not vulnerable to simple stuff like sql injection |
| [01:56:06] | wagnerrp: | but aside from that, it was simply not designed for security |
| [01:56:13] | clever: | yeah |
| [01:56:21] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: mythweb is not designed for public use so i dont think its a issue |
| [01:56:24] | wagnerrp: | it was designed for use by you, and not to protect against outside users |
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| [01:56:42] | etotheipi: | Mythbuntu enables MythWeb by default, and unprotected (it seems) |
| [01:56:45] | dustybin: | indeed |
| [01:56:53] | etotheipi: | maybe it limits access to localhost; I'm not sure |
| [01:56:55] | wagnerrp: | if remote frontend are ever to become a possibility, this may need to be rethought |
| [01:57:23] | wagnerrp: | and that may happen once the recordings storage is reworked, with support for multiple videos of different formats against a single recording |
| [01:57:27] | dustybin: | clever: what kind of computer mess do you have these days?! |
| [01:57:36] | wagnerrp: | but as it stands, most people simply dont have the bandwidth to run a remote frontend |
| [01:57:52] | clever: | dustybin: a ~500mb squashfs image held in /dev/ram0 and aufs2'd to be r/w |
| [01:57:59] | dustybin: | O_o |
| [01:58:00] | clever: | running full gnome&wine |
| [01:58:15] | wagnerrp: | security is also something that may have to be rethought if someone ever writes up proper user support for mythtv |
| [01:58:39] | kormoc: | mythweb shouldn't have any SQL injection issues, we use a library xris and I wrote and was designed from the start to prevent SQL injections |
| [01:58:41] | wagnerrp: | but thats something that would require huge changes throughout mythtv anyway |
| [01:59:00] | dustybin: | if you have some linux experience, you should be able to secure box ok |
| [01:59:21] | kormoc: | that said, you shouldn't give mythweb access to folks you don't trust |
| [01:59:24] | wagnerrp: | if you have a NAT router, you should have a plenty secure box |
| [01:59:47] | wagnerrp: | just dont open up ports unless you know what youre doing |
| [02:00:02] | xris: | we've had requests for a sort of non-admin user access... |
| [02:00:05] | dustybin: | well thats comes down to being a good linux user, forget mythtv |
| [02:00:16] | xris: | but if that ever happens, the only thing I could see it supporting is preventing access to settings. |
| [02:00:25] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: yeah... my search for "Castle'; truncate table videogenre;" did not turn up any results |
| [02:00:38] | kormoc: | settings/recording groups/etc |
| [02:00:44] | wagnerrp: | deletion |
| [02:00:47] | xris: | or parental controls |
| [02:00:58] | xris: | I might do that in a few years now that I'm parent who might have to worry about that stuff |
| [02:01:02] | ** dustybin feels surrounded by devs ** | |
| [02:01:36] | etotheipi: | dustybin: this is no time for frottage. |
| [02:01:42] | dustybin: | :P |
| [02:01:57] | dustybin: | after tonight, i will go silent for 2 weeks |
| [02:02:00] | clever: | dustybin: basicaly, i can boot from a usb stick and then remove it |
| [02:02:13] | xris: | dustybin: don't count me as a dev. I don't commit things anymore. :) |
| [02:02:16] | clever: | no hdd/network needed |
| [02:02:20] | xris: | just harrass others with ideas |
| [02:02:24] | wagnerrp: | no, just a fearless leader |
| [02:02:40] | kormoc: | we are just moose and squirrel |
| [02:02:51] | dustybin: | clever and me are the only normal users here :-S |
| [02:03:02] | ** kormoc eyes his ticket list ** | |
| [02:03:58] | wagnerrp: | and etotheipi doesnt count? |
| [02:04:11] | dustybin: | i have to admit, slackware is by far the best distro ive used with mythtv. what other distro lets you edit the source code in a package?! |
| [02:04:13] | wagnerrp: | or bjd? |
| [02:04:23] | wagnerrp: | gentoo |
| [02:04:27] | dustybin: | aye ok.. |
| [02:04:47] | wagnerrp: | or for that matter, any distro allows you to roll your own packages |
| [02:04:50] | kormoc: | I guess I should fire up the irc log and see the absurdity of this topic |
| [02:05:15] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: aye but its no straight forward like slackware and slackbuilds |
| [02:05:26] | dustybin: | but that is my opinion |
| [02:07:01] | wagnerrp: | gentoo lets you fairly easily specify patch files to run during the compile |
| [02:07:01] | xris: | dustybin: oh? edit source, rpmbuild... |
| [02:07:19] | wagnerrp: | one file in a directory, one line in an ebuild, and a digest |
| [02:07:29] | dustybin: | a slackbuild is a bash script what builds the app |
| [02:07:29] | wagnerrp: | freebsd will automatically pull in any files it finds in a certain directory |
| [02:07:37] | dustybin: | i will show you a example |
| [02:08:00] | dustybin: | http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/13.1/multi . . . v.SlackBuild |
| [02:08:03] | sphery: | amazing how many distros let us pretend to know more about the package than the distros packagers :) |
| [02:08:32] | dustybin: | i can edit that slackbuild to how i choose |
| [02:08:54] | sphery: | (yeah, I realize you guys are talking about a development/testing type thing and not just changing random packages, but just emphasising the "With great power..." side of the equation) |
| [02:09:30] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well it helps when youre rolling your own trunk builds |
| [02:09:41] | sphery: | yeah |
| [02:10:04] | dustybin: | if you just compile from /usr/local/src, you are only installing a part of the software, what about init.d man pages etc |
| [02:10:11] | etotheipi: | sphery, wagnerrp: thanks for the help earlier. the update's taking some time, but some of the channels have logos, so I assume everything is in order. |
| [02:10:44] | wagnerrp: | yes, MFD runs can take several to tens of minutes depending on the number of channels |
| [02:10:48] | sphery: | etotheipi: great, glad it's working--and glad bjd was here to tell us which prereq was the issue |
| [02:11:00] | wagnerrp: | and the first run is always going to take much longer |
| [02:11:12] | wagnerrp: | since its populating multiple weeks worth of data |
| [02:11:21] | ** etotheipi nods ** | |
| [02:11:30] | etotheipi: | I have 41 channels, so I expect it to be some time |
| [02:11:58] | sphery: | doesn't tv_grab_uk_rt just download a single xmltv file? |
| [02:12:16] | sphery: | if so, that should make it not in the many tens of minutes range |
| [02:12:50] | dustybin: | does mythtv have a man page? |
| [02:13:00] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [02:13:08] | wagnerrp: | rather big for a single man page |
| [02:13:11] | dustybin: | yar |
| [02:13:28] | sphery: | think someone did a basic one once, but it was determined that it would be harder to maintain than it was worth |
| [02:13:41] | wagnerrp: | not to mention nearly every aspect of it requires X11 |
| [02:13:55] | wagnerrp: | not much purpose to terminal documentation |
| [02:14:07] | sphery: | yeah |
| [02:14:08] | wagnerrp: | beyond what you could provide in a --help argument |
| [02:14:10] | dustybin: | there was a stage when i kept on updating mythtv for stability |
| [02:14:20] | dustybin: | but now its stable there is no point |
| [02:14:37] | dustybin: | i think .19 – 20 – 21 |
| [02:14:56] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i havent touched my frontends in 2 months |
| [02:15:06] | dustybin: | mythtv is finished :D |
| [02:15:14] | wagnerrp: | not by a long shot |
| [02:15:19] | dustybin: | does a open source product ever be completed? |
| [02:15:25] | wagnerrp: | sure |
| [02:15:39] | dustybin: | like what? |
| [02:15:48] | dustybin: | even open-ssh is still being worked on |
| [02:16:00] | wagnerrp: | when you get to a point where you have met or exceeded all of your initial design goals |
| [02:16:17] | sphery: | and someone else has created something better than your project :) |
| [02:16:21] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: can you name a project what has done that |
| [02:16:39] | wagnerrp: | VLC did it fairly vocally a couple months ago with their 1.0 release |
| [02:17:14] | dustybin: | hmm but its not common, open-source = constant growth |
| [02:17:15] | wagnerrp: | linux has 'been completed' twice now |
| [02:17:23] | wagnerrp: | with multiple major updates in between |
| [02:17:41] | wagnerrp: | firefox, and other mozilla programs |
| [02:17:53] | dustybin: | linux kernel = communicating with new hardware |
| [02:18:00] | wagnerrp: | when is a commercial project ever 'complete'? |
| [02:18:01] | dustybin: | and that gets released gradually |
| [02:18:10] | sphery: | at bankruptcy? |
| [02:18:18] | sphery: | or buyout |
| [02:18:19] | dustybin: | hhaahaa |
| [02:18:28] | wagnerrp: | what commercial project is set and no longer updated, when its not completely abandoned? |
| [02:18:51] | wagnerrp: | and old console ROMs that couldnt be updated dont count |
| [02:18:56] | dustybin: | so things constantly grow |
| [02:18:57] | sphery: | MS Word--completed with version 2.0 |
| [02:19:13] | sphery: | all versions since were just to garner additional resales |
| [02:19:34] | dustybin: | how about stopping a project and making the code as perfect as possible |
| [02:19:54] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: looks like trac needs a 'move all selected to...' |
| [02:20:12] | dustybin: | what does regression mean? |
| [02:20:23] | wagnerrp: | something that was formerly working is now broekn |
| [02:20:24] | dustybin: | does mythtv suffer from regression |
| [02:20:39] | wagnerrp: | certainly |
| [02:20:43] | wagnerrp: | all projects do to some extent |
| [02:20:53] | dustybin: | code is seriously complicated stuff |
| [02:21:01] | wagnerrp: | do a search in trac for 'regression' and youll find hundreds of commits |
| [02:21:11] | sphery: | I like the original definition of regression, better. Makes more sense from an English-language standpoint. |
| [02:21:13] | wagnerrp: | ive got several in there myself |
| [02:21:25] | sphery: | Something which was broken before, then fixed, is broken again. |
| [02:21:27] | dustybin: | when you deal with low level code, you are dealing with microchips |
| [02:21:53] | wagnerrp: | most of mythtv's low-level code is inherited from ffmpeg |
| [02:22:01] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, there's a plugin that allows us to do that, it's just not installed |
| [02:22:04] | dustybin: | is ffmpeg asm? |
| [02:22:07] | wagnerrp: | we dont have a lot of ASM for ourselves |
| [02:22:14] | wagnerrp: | no, but they use it extensively |
| [02:22:26] | dustybin: | im sure parts of the kernel uses asm |
| [02:22:33] | wagnerrp: | various subroutines are hand-coded ASM |
| [02:22:40] | dustybin: | asm = not portable |
| [02:22:49] | wagnerrp: | sure it is |
| [02:22:59] | dustybin: | i thought its too low level |
| [02:23:16] | wagnerrp: | x86 ASM works on a wide range of processors |
| [02:23:25] | dustybin: | aye but not power pc |
| [02:23:28] | wagnerrp: | not just one processor, or even one family of processors |
| [02:23:53] | dustybin: | C code can work on x86 x64 power pc |
| [02:24:12] | wagnerrp: | not true |
| [02:24:32] | dustybin: | what other cpus are out there |
| [02:24:35] | wagnerrp: | C code using only functions allowed by the powerpc tool chain can work on those systems |
| [02:24:52] | dustybin: | ok |
| [02:25:11] | dustybin: | thats why you guys can get mythtv frontend working on windows + mac ? |
| [02:25:45] | dustybin: | i read that you can compile c code on linux to work on windows |
| [02:25:52] | dustybin: | without ever touching a windows box |
| [02:26:13] | wagnerrp: | called a 'cross compiler' |
| [02:26:18] | dustybin: | ok |
| [02:26:42] | etotheipi: | I swear there used to be a MythWeb addon to stream video directly. has it been removed/hidden? |
| [02:26:54] | etotheipi: | the last time I touched MythTV was about 3 years ago ;-p |
| [02:27:00] | dustybin: | why does mythtv use C++, why not C ? |
| [02:27:00] | kormoc: | you likely just have it disabled |
| [02:27:07] | wagnerrp: | you can either stream using direct download, ASX, or flash |
| [02:27:17] | wagnerrp: | flash must be manually enabled in the mythweb settings |
| [02:27:23] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: QT uses C++ |
| [02:27:37] | dustybin: | right i see, QT is not supported in C ? |
| [02:27:42] | wagnerrp: | C++ is object oriented, C is not |
| [02:28:32] | wagnerrp: | the difference between object oriented and functional programming is really something you need to experience for yourself |
| [02:28:56] | dustybin: | aye indeed, the world of coding is alien |
| [02:29:05] | wagnerrp: | someone can explain it to you for hours, but its something you dont really 'get' until you actually try using it |
| [02:29:23] | kormoc: | until you actually use it successfully |
| [02:29:38] | dustybin: | in the C64 days i used to look at BASIC source code all the time, these days things are too complex |
| [02:29:54] | etotheipi: | ah, I see. the flash plugin is remarkably good for 'highly experimental' software! |
| [02:30:42] | wagnerrp: | not really, it just takes a different manner of thinking |
| [02:30:45] | dustybin: | .cpp = C++ source code? |
| [02:30:49] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [02:30:59] | dustybin: | what is the C extension? |
| [02:31:03] | wagnerrp: | c |
| [02:31:06] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [02:31:19] | dustybin: | so asm can be imbedded in either |
| [02:31:44] | dustybin: | .py = python script |
| [02:31:53] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [02:32:24] | dustybin: | lots of people i talk to recommend python over perl |
| [02:32:39] | dustybin: | easier to read |
| [02:32:49] | wagnerrp: | all a matter of opinion |
| [02:33:11] | dustybin: | perl has lots of extra modules like blah:::blah |
| [02:33:23] | wagnerrp: | classes |
| [02:33:28] | dustybin: | aye |
| [02:33:34] | dustybin: | does python have classes? |
| [02:33:45] | wagnerrp: | and python has classes and modules like blah.blah |
| [02:33:51] | dustybin: | ok |
| [02:34:05] | dustybin: | they are like mini libs? |
| [02:34:11] | wagnerrp: | and c has classes like blah.blah or *blah->blah |
| [02:34:38] | dustybin: | so, a lot of code relys on other code to work properly |
| [02:34:42] | dustybin: | like a big chain |
| [02:35:05] | etotheipi: | if only if it were chainlike ;-| |
| [02:35:20] | ** etotheipi throws multiple inheritance at dustybin ** | |
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| [02:35:37] | dustybin: | i could fix a mythtv bug, then 5 new old bugs come back |
| [02:35:55] | wagnerrp: | and fortran has modules, but thats more for namespace cleanliness |
| [02:36:19] | dustybin: | so the less stuff the software relys on, the more chance of it working |
| [02:36:51] | wagnerrp: | and the more you have to rewrite any time you want to change anything |
| [02:36:54] | dustybin: | in the C64 / AMIGA days there was no libs |
| [02:37:19] | dustybin: | eeek it can turn into a big mess |
| [02:37:27] | dustybin: | imagine QT changed everything |
| [02:37:32] | dustybin: | what would happen to mythtv |
| [02:37:47] | wagnerrp: | we would stick with an old version until we migrated over |
| [02:37:53] | wagnerrp: | see the QT3 to QT4 migration |
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| [02:38:06] | dustybin: | yes |
| [02:38:32] | dustybin: | so people rely on libs because of portability |
| [02:38:36] | wagnerrp: | on the plus side, look at all that code base that nokia maintains for us for free |
| [02:39:00] | wagnerrp: | no, people rely on libs because its easier to use someone else's work than to do it all yourself |
| [02:39:06] | dustybin: | imagine mythtv was asm, it spoke directly to the CPU and GPU no libs |
| [02:39:43] | wagnerrp: | then it would run on half the resources, and look like crap |
| [02:39:56] | wagnerrp: | since everyone would be so busy writing ASM and never actually use it |
| [02:40:08] | dustybin: | in the amiga days, people used to code demos in raw asm |
| [02:40:17] | dustybin: | but that was 16-bit |
| [02:40:52] | wagnerrp: | we have these big processors and vast amounts of memory so we dont have to delve down into ASM |
| [02:41:08] | dustybin: | aye |
| [02:41:15] | dustybin: | so mythtv relys on ffmpeg + QT |
| [02:41:18] | wagnerrp: | the only people who do so are those who want to optimize specific subroutines |
| [02:41:28] | wagnerrp: | like the ffmpeg guys |
| [02:41:31] | dustybin: | aye |
| [02:41:52] | dustybin: | what other libs does mythtv use? |
| [02:41:53] | dustybin: | FLAC? |
| [02:42:05] | dustybin: | if you use mythmusic |
| [02:42:16] | wagnerrp: | im sure the dependency list is available somewhere |
| [02:43:01] | dustybin: | nvidia + VDPAU is another big thing |
| [02:43:18] | dustybin: | i read that AMD have released open source drivers |
| [02:43:31] | wagnerrp: | buggy, development grade |
| [02:43:58] | dustybin: | why dont nvidia realse the VDPAU code as open source |
| [02:44:06] | wagnerrp: | they probably cant |
| [02:44:13] | dustybin: | patents? |
| [02:44:17] | wagnerrp: | uh huh |
| [02:44:22] | dustybin: | the ugly side of it |
| [02:44:24] | wagnerrp: | specifically, not theirs |
| [02:44:47] | dustybin: | richard stallman + patents |
| [02:44:50] | wagnerrp: | the open source ATI stuff did not actually include support for video decoding |
| [02:45:02] | dustybin: | oh ok |
| [02:45:03] | wagnerrp: | just the scalers and colorspace tools (Xv) |
| [02:45:45] | dustybin: | how does C++ communicate with a QT library? |
| [02:45:54] | wagnerrp: | by linking |
| [02:46:17] | dustybin: | so QT has its own command set |
| [02:46:23] | dustybin: | or API ? |
| [02:46:51] | dustybin: | and you can execute that stuff in the C++ code |
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| [02:47:17] | wagnerrp: | you include the headers that have the commands you want |
| [02:47:19] | dustybin: | include #QT draw nice window box 300x300 |
| [02:47:36] | wagnerrp: | and then when you compile and run, the linkers do their magic |
| [02:47:39] | kormoc: | is this intro to comp-sci 101 or something? |
| [02:47:44] | wagnerrp: | apparently |
| [02:47:50] | dustybin: | haha just inteterested |
| [02:47:55] | wagnerrp: | take some classes |
| [02:47:55] | dustybin: | dont worry i will silent myself after |
| [02:48:03] | wagnerrp: | read a book |
| [02:48:33] | dustybin: | oreilly – c++ in a nutshell |
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| [02:53:21] | dustybin: | my first experience with linux was with debian sarge, not long after that i installed mythtv and have been using 24.7 ever since |
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| [02:57:57] | sphery: | Close call... Started watching Nova: Extreme Cave Diving and it was SDTV in the start early. Thought I'd miss out on the nice HDTV scenery. Luckily it went HDTV when the program started. |
| [02:58:22] | sphery: | seagullarity: what specific issues are you seeing? |
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| [02:59:10] | sphery: | he'll be baaaack! |
| [02:59:13] | wagnerrp: | seems he doesnt want to tell you |
| [02:59:21] | sphery: | yeah, could be |
| [03:00:35] | sphery: | oh, and btw, these guys are crazy |
| [03:02:30] | dustybin: | what would happen if a company stole mythtv backend code and use it in their product? |
| [03:03:03] | dustybin: | would that be a GNU violation |
| [03:03:21] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [03:03:27] | wagnerrp: | it would be a GPL violation |
| [03:03:31] | dustybin: | hha yes |
| [03:03:55] | dustybin: | but if the code is compiled how can one tell |
| [03:04:10] | wagnerrp: | thats the problem |
| [03:04:25] | sphery: | check this out: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/Nova-Extreme_Cave_Diving.png |
| [03:04:27] | dustybin: | de-assemble it |
| [03:05:18] | sphery: | that's crazy |
| [03:05:25] | dustybin: | im sure ms have been guilty |
| [03:05:57] | dustybin: | not with mythtv but other technologies |
| [03:06:02] | sphery: | MS has a pretty good fear of FOSS... They may well steer clear of anything like that. |
| [03:06:14] | dustybin: | im sure they stole BIND code |
| [03:06:18] | dustybin: | i read some place |
| [03:06:43] | sphery: | I'm more concerned with their co-opting of standards (Kerber-almost, for example) |
| [03:07:42] | sphery: | most people tend to think that source code has some intrinsic worth, but in general, if you design new code from scratch to do what someone else has done, you'll have a much better product than the someone else created. |
| [03:08:09] | sphery: | the big problem with just using or stealing someone's source code is that you get all the design problems they have |
| [03:08:39] | dustybin: | and no experienced coders to deal with it |
| [03:08:59] | sphery: | but if you look at what they have--which is almost definitely something that's evolved over time from one design plan to another--and you instead design for the end result, you're getting the benefit of all of their learning and a much cleaner implementation without the baggage |
| [03:09:08] | sphery: | and, MS has the money to do exactly that, so... |
| [03:09:09] | dustybin: | even if something is compiled, im sure you can match it |
| [03:09:33] | sphery: | and, yeah, if you design from scratch, your coders have intimate experience with the code and know it inside out |
| [03:10:24] | sphery: | the big challenge, though, is having the time and/or money to redo the code from scratch--but some companies have that |
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| [03:11:23] | dustybin: | what langauge is the windows media centre coded in? |
| [03:11:31] | dustybin: | C#.NET.. |
| [03:11:34] | Dillweed: | i still use a 4:3 crt tv. I was wondering why there is only one theme that is natively 4:3 available or are there plans for more 4:3 themes. |
| [03:11:34] | high-rez: | basic |
| [03:11:41] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [03:12:08] | wagnerrp: | Dillweed: because no one wants to write themes for 4:3 tvs |
| [03:12:16] | sphery: | Basically, I think if you talked to any of the MythTV developers, they would say that if they were designing MythTV from scratch, they'd design it very differently. That's generally the case with any software project--lessons learned in implementing the project can be used to come up with better ways of doing it. |
| [03:12:21] | wagnerrp: | and with the theming rewrite, all the old themes no longer function |
| [03:12:23] | dustybin: | how about the open source revial what only plays videos, whats the name.. |
| [03:12:41] | wagnerrp: | revial? |
| [03:12:43] | wagnerrp: | rival? |
| [03:12:47] | dustybin: | aye |
| [03:12:53] | sphery: | so you either redo it from scratch or you make changes to the existing codebase to try to get it closer to that other design... both approaches have benefits |
| [03:12:53] | high-rez: | hallelujah! |
| [03:12:55] | wagnerrp: | if it only plays videos, its not a rival |
| [03:13:02] | high-rez: | (i'm ordained i can say that) |
| [03:13:12] | sphery: | but usually the refactoring wins just because starting over is a daunting prospect for a spare-time coder |
| [03:13:29] | Dillweed: | wagnerrp i can understand that the trend these days is to 16:10 but I'd imagine there are a lot of 4:3 users still out there. |
| [03:13:38] | wagnerrp: | 16:9 |
| [03:13:49] | Dillweed: | yes that too :) |
| [03:13:58] | wagnerrp: | Dillweed: there are, and each of them is perfectly welcome to start writing themes |
| [03:14:04] | sphery: | Dillweed: we /are/ actively seeking some artistically-inclined and motivated individuals to do some 4:3 themes for MythTV |
| [03:14:23] | wagnerrp: | hopefully by the 0.24 release, we will have a website set up to host and provide integrated download capability for 3rd party themers |
| [03:14:40] | high-rez: | I'll give you two 27" 4:3's sitting on my garage and on craigslist that nobody wants if you write the themes! |
| [03:14:48] | high-rez: | (just pay shipping) |
| [03:14:48] | sphery: | it's just a very big job, so generally, people who do themes do them for their particular setups--and there are few themers who actually have 4:3 setups, anymore |
| [03:15:13] | Dillweed: | unforunately, I'm not artistically inclinced in fact I have to label my stick figures, but I found it disheartening that most of the 4:3 themes that were in main trunk at 0.22 were not rethemed as part of the release. |
| [03:15:30] | Dillweed: | 0.23 release. |
| [03:15:50] | wagnerrp: | Dillweed: in fact, none of them were re-themed for 0.22 |
| [03:15:56] | high-rez: | Oh hey, you're local – you wouldn't even have to pay shipping for the TV's dillweed :) |
| [03:16:12] | wagnerrp: | mythcenter is little more than a blue background over the defaults |
| [03:16:12] | high-rez: | That's like 4:3 heaven |
| [03:16:13] | Dillweed: | lol, what would I do with 2 more tv's? |
| [03:16:24] | high-rez: | use them to write themes, of course. |
| [03:16:32] | Dillweed: | I guess I'll just have to break down and get 16:9 tv |
| [03:16:33] | dustybin: | has there ever been a mythtv fork |
| [03:16:42] | high-rez: | I forked it once |
| [03:16:43] | sphery: | Dillweed: right, because the theming engine was so different that a) the old theme definitions were useless, and b) redoing themes designed for the old UI engine would just make the same old, legacy junk we had before |
| [03:16:43] | Dillweed: | just have to convince the wife. |
| [03:17:11] | high-rez: | Great. I'm in Renton. Once you convince the wife to take the junk my wife yells at me to get rid of you know where I am. |
| [03:17:18] | sphery: | Dillweed: so we got rid of the old themes with the idea that if anyone really wants 4:3 themes, they will create them. |
| [03:17:37] | high-rez: | I'd actually like to see a stick figure theme. :) |
| [03:17:43] | high-rez: | That could be pretty neat. |
| [03:17:43] | Dillweed: | lol! |
| [03:18:09] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: through the microphone jack? or one of the floppy bays? |
| [03:18:26] | dustybin: | what is the name of that popular linux media player |
| [03:18:32] | wagnerrp: | mythtv? |
| [03:18:34] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: who what? hallelujah! |
| [03:18:45] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: when you forked mythtv |
| [03:18:47] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: the one what is only good at media |
| [03:18:51] | wagnerrp: | mplayer? |
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| [03:19:07] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Oh, you know, like I forked it, because it wasn't quite so easy to spoon. |
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| [03:19:18] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Honestly though, I'd spoon the code if I could. |
| [03:19:26] | high-rez: | It's that good. |
| [03:20:22] | Dillweed: | my next question is why I get bright spots on the tv when I'm using a bright theme. you know like putting a magnet up to the tv? |
| [03:20:58] | wagnerrp: | Dillweed: either the theme is just bright there, or youve got some burnin |
| [03:21:13] | Dillweed: | what would cause the burnin? |
| [03:21:21] | high-rez: | You needto replace one of the guns in your CRT display. |
| [03:21:28] | high-rez: | That's my totally uneducated guess. |
| [03:21:28] | wagnerrp: | leaving something up on screen for an extended period |
| [03:21:33] | Dillweed: | with one of your 27"s |
| [03:21:38] | dustybin: | xmbc!!!! |
| [03:21:47] | wagnerrp: | xbox? no, we dont support that |
| [03:21:51] | dustybin: | does xmbc use the backend code? |
| [03:22:16] | wagnerrp: | xbmc can do something like using the mythtv protocol |
| [03:22:26] | wagnerrp: | but no, it does not use the mythtv protocol when it accesses mythtv |
| [03:22:26] | Dillweed: | thanks for the help though I have to run. |
| [03:22:46] | dustybin: | xmbc is a media player, not a pvr |
| [03:23:04] | high-rez: | GodI'd love to get rid of the junk in my garage. |
| [03:23:18] | wagnerrp: | goodwill |
| [03:23:28] | Dillweed: | just put up a craigslist ad that says free stuff at my house |
| [03:23:33] | wagnerrp: | and/or salvation army |
| [03:23:41] | Dillweed: | and label it with a stick figure. |
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| [03:24:01] | high-rez: | CL is amazing for getting rid of junk, but people are flaky |
| [03:24:17] | wagnerrp: | you should be able to get a tax writeoff |
| [03:24:35] | high-rez: | Not a bad idea. |
| [03:24:52] | wagnerrp: | although they may not be allowed to sell old TVs |
| [03:24:59] | wagnerrp: | the whole digital transition and all |
| [03:25:12] | high-rez: | I actually have the converter boxes. |
| [03:25:16] | high-rez: | Got the coupons and everything |
| [03:25:17] | wagnerrp: | i know you can no longer produce such hardware |
| [03:25:18] | dustybin: | the cool thing about mythtv is that it works in different countries |
| [03:25:30] | wagnerrp: | yes... thats the cool thing about it |
| [03:26:08] | wagnerrp: | will mythtranscode fix timecodes? |
| [03:26:10] | high-rez: | i always thought the really cool thing about it was how easy it is to configure the first time. But man the multiple countries thing. Amazing. |
| [03:26:17] | high-rez: | ;) |
| [03:26:40] | [R]: | high-rez: what so special? what does a country have to do with anything |
| [03:26:58] | dustybin: | high-rez: you cannot configure mythtv unless you have a good idea on how to configure a linux box |
| [03:27:19] | dustybin: | LIRC taught me about kernel modules |
| [03:27:21] | high-rez: | R: What I did just now,which you totally missed, is a little thing people who tell jokes call sarchasm. Tongue in cheek. Perhaps you've heard of it ? |
| [03:27:29] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:28:08] | dustybin: | mythtv forces you to learn linux :D |
| [03:28:15] | high-rez: | Perhaps if I spelled sarcasm right in my mind I'd be better at using it. :) |
| [03:28:21] | [R]: | you whats funny? linux also forces you to learn linux |
| [03:28:23] | [R]: | skip the middle man |
| [03:28:32] | [R]: | you know whats* |
| [03:28:43] | high-rez: | Installing gentoo stage 1 forces you to learn linux, sort of almost not really. |
| [03:29:10] | [R]: | not when you have no clue what you are doing |
| [03:29:25] | high-rez: | Why are you using linux if you have no clue what you're doing ? |
| [03:29:34] | wagnerrp: | its like throwing kids into the deep end, they drown |
| [03:30:01] | [R]: | high-rez: i know tons of people who are clueless |
| [03:30:16] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: That actually happened to me when I was a baby. Needless to say, my grandmother was never allowed to babysit the grandkids again. |
| [03:32:27] | dustybin: | are 75% of mythtv user problems OS based? |
| [03:32:31] | wagnerrp: | woo! it does |
| [03:32:49] | wagnerrp: | meaning... they dont use linux as their os? |
| [03:33:04] | dustybin: | maybe the first experience |
| [03:33:50] | [R]: | 75% of probelms are from a lack of reading the documentation |
| [03:34:14] | dustybin: | aye but the docs more or less teach you basic linux stuff |
| [03:34:32] | [R]: | no |
| [03:34:32] | [R]: | they tell you how to use myth |
| [03:34:53] | dustybin: | ie mysql |
| [03:35:02] | dustybin: | apache |
| [03:35:05] | wagnerrp: | thats not basic linux stuff |
| [03:35:20] | dustybin: | storage / nfs |
| [03:35:22] | high-rez: | Thats basic LAMP stuff |
| [03:35:35] | dustybin: | perms |
| [03:35:44] | wagnerrp: | your basic windows user isnt going to be installing database and http servers either |
| [03:35:54] | kormoc: | oh lord, this is still going on? |
| [03:36:00] | wagnerrp: | yes... yes it is |
| [03:36:15] | ** high-rez still doesn't get the premise of the argument ** | |
| [03:36:38] | kormoc: | high-rez, I've always thought of them as really bad trolls |
| [03:37:12] | dustybin: | im not a attention seeker troll, im a normal user, not a dev |
| [03:37:24] | wagnerrp: | youre certainly not a normal user |
| [03:37:40] | dustybin: | why not? |
| [03:37:49] | high-rez: | dustybin: If you really think that installing mythtv is a pathway to learning *nix systems, then you don't yet know what you don't know. :) |
| [03:37:59] | wagnerrp: | normal users dont go through 200 questions |
| [03:38:06] | ** wagnerrp praises the invention of 24-hr grocery stores and goes to get drinks ** | |
| [03:38:26] | high-rez: | Now thats a good idea. I think I shall make a gin n tonic and clean the garage. |
| [03:38:28] | dustybin: | im drunk and instrested, not a troll |
| [03:38:57] | dustybin: | and i will go silent after this |
| [03:39:48] | dustybin: | im sure 90% of people here are devs :-S |
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| [03:40:21] | wagnerrp: | yep... all 155.7 of us |
| [03:40:44] | dustybin: | this channel needs more thicko normal users like me :D |
| [03:41:20] | dustybin: | not intelligent devs.. |
| [03:41:22] | [R]: | wagnerrp: can i be .2 of the .7? |
| [03:41:38] | [R]: | dustybin: you dont need to be a dev to use myth |
| [03:41:47] | [R]: | dustybin: most problems come from a lack of common sense from epopel who won't read |
| [03:41:49] | [R]: | end of story |
| [03:42:05] | [R]: | and no, i'm not a myth dev |
| [03:42:54] | i_is_cat: | im not a dev |
| [03:43:04] | i_is_cat: | if i had coding skills, i totally would be |
| [03:44:17] | Spiffydude: | Hello all, I had a working mythtv backend, a single 950q. I recently added a ATI HDTV Pro and thing went awry. I setup the ATI card and got it to scan and lock channels from an OTA antenna. But this messed up my 950q using cable-tv. So I went to rescan for channels and it started picking up every channel number. I get my listings from Schedules Direct and every time I refresh and rescan it continues this bad thing of scanning picking up every channel n |
| [03:44:40] | wagnerrp: | did you try to put both tuners on the same source? |
| [03:44:47] | Spiffydude: | No |
| [03:45:12] | Spiffydude: | ATI is connected to an antenna, and the 950q is on cable |
| [03:45:24] | wagnerrp: | on, logical source, item 3 in mythtv-setup |
| [03:45:28] | sphery: | he means MythTV video source |
| [03:45:30] | wagnerrp: | s/on/no/ |
| [03:46:31] | Spiffydude: | Oh, got ya. No I have a SD setup for cable and a source for OTA digital that is for Transmitted guide only |
| [03:46:36] | dustybin: | i_is_cat: you dont need to be a coder to contribute, you are lazy like me |
| [03:47:15] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [03:47:36] | Beirdo: | dustybin: put down the bong, please. |
| [03:47:46] | dustybin: | haha wine you mean |
| [03:48:16] | sphery: | Spiffydude: you probably want to use SD for both the cable and OTA listings (which necessarily means disabling transmitted guide on OTA)--you can do that with one SD account, so it doesn't cost anything more and allows duplicate matching to work across sources |
| [03:48:26] | sphery: | Spiffydude: and will likely make configuration much easier |
| [03:48:37] | i_is_cat: | ive got some scotch here :) but ya.. you probably should be doing something else if you're going to get hammed.. |
| [03:49:07] | [R]: | i_is_cat: i love scotch... scotchy scotchy scotch... down in to my belly |
| [03:49:51] | i_is_cat: | lol that was a bad movie.. but i still laughed |
| [03:49:53] | sphery: | Spiffydude: also, IRC has a length limit on lines and yours was cut off at "every time I refresh and rescan it continues this bad thing of scanning picking up every channel n", so we're just guessing at what your actual issue is :) |
| [03:50:05] | Spiffydude: | Ah |
| [03:50:06] | myth_leech: | Bye! |
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| [03:50:15] | Spiffydude: | I'll repaste it then and cut it up |
| [03:50:55] | Spiffydude: | Hello all, I had a working mythtv backend, a single 950q. I recently added a ATI HDTV Pro and thing went awry. I setup the ATI card and got it to scan and lock channels from an OTA antenna. But this messed up my 950q using cable-tv. So I went to rescan for channels and it started picking up every channel number. I get my listings from Schedules Direct and every time I refresh and rescan it continues |
| [03:50:57] | Spiffydude: | this bad thing of scanning picking up every channel number and I cannot watch TV. Scan settings are set for us-Cable. Anyone have an idea about what is happening? |
| [03:51:07] | Beirdo: | guh? |
| [03:51:13] | Beirdo: | didn't you just say that? |
| [03:51:20] | sphery: | I wanted to see the end :) |
| [03:51:26] | Beirdo: | ooooh |
| [03:51:30] | ** sphery hates cliff hangers ** | |
| [03:51:32] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:51:37] | dustybin: | i have limited myself to #slackware and #mythtv-users im slowly starting to focus, ive had a look around the open source world and know what i like |
| [03:52:46] | dustybin: | and i will be silent after this or iamlindoro will ban me for sure :-S |
| [03:53:08] | Spiffydude: | I'm going to setup the OTA listings with SD and see if that clears things up |
| [03:53:14] | Beirdo: | stop poking iamlindoro, you silly boy |
| [03:53:23] | sphery: | Spiffydude: it really sounds like you must have both the 950q and the HDTV Pro connected to the same MythTV video source ... |
| [03:53:50] | sphery: | Spiffydude: I highly recommend clearing out all the config you have, now, with http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 and then setting up, again |
| [03:54:01] | sphery: | you'll need one video source for the cable channels |
| [03:54:07] | sphery: | and a separate video source for OTA channels |
| [03:54:30] | dustybin: | there are too many + people here :-S |
| [03:54:36] | dustybin: | + = dev ? |
| [03:54:53] | sphery: | connect the appropriate video source to the card input (in Connect Inputs) based on what you've connected to your capture card (cable or OTA) |
| [03:54:59] | wagnerrp: | 12 of us, one is a bot, and another half are rarely around unless you poke them |
| [03:55:22] | dustybin: | i think me and clever are the only normal users in this channel :-S |
| [03:55:24] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo idled around here for ~3 years without a peep |
| [03:55:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: one you /know/ is a bot... how many others of us^H^H^H^H^Hare there? |
| [03:56:18] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah, I did, didn't I? :) |
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| [03:56:36] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: in my visible scrollback, i see at least four other non-devs talking in the last 10 minutes |
| [03:56:45] | Spiffydude: | sphery: Right, I'll delete everything start from scratch.. perhaps I just confused the heck out of it lol |
| [03:56:48] | dustybin: | aye thats good to know.. |
| [03:56:52] | Beirdo: | dustybin: you and clever are the only "normal" users? |
| [03:57:01] | Beirdo: | quite the definition of "normal" you have |
| [03:57:04] | sphery: | Spiffydude: heh, quite possible--it's easy to do that when you're trying to figure it out |
| [03:57:19] | sphery: | but clearing things will allow you to start from a known configuration |
| [03:57:24] | sphery: | making it easier to ensure it's all correct |
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| [03:58:31] | dustybin: | there must be some link between tv / video + geek |
| [03:58:43] | wagnerrp: | man, i said i was going to the store 20 minutes ago... |
| [03:59:10] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, you need the alcohol |
| [03:59:56] | wagnerrp: | na, plenty of alcohol, need softdrinks |
| [04:00:02] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:01:36] | dustybin: | if one was to code a mythtv plug-in, are you restricted to C++ |
| [04:01:38] | Spiffydude: | sphery: Should I make 2 separate input groups? |
| [04:02:12] | sphery: | Spiffydude: no |
| [04:02:20] | Spiffydude: | k |
| [04:02:50] | Beirdo: | dustybin: if you want ANY chance of it becoming an official plugin, yes. C++ and Qt would be expected, pretty much |
| [04:02:52] | sphery: | input groups say that when one input is in use, the other can't be used (so, for example, when you hook both a TV antenna and a cable STB to a PVR-150--one to the antenna input and the other to the S-Video input) |
| [04:03:03] | sphery: | so don't set any input groups |
| [04:03:43] | Spiffydude: | Ah ok, that makes sense, I never understood what those treally meant |
| [04:03:55] | dustybin: | Beirdo: can poorly coded mythtv plug ins make mythtv unstable |
| [04:04:06] | Beirdo: | of course |
| [04:04:27] | dustybin: | or is mythtv modular |
| [04:04:49] | Beirdo: | go read some code :) |
| [04:04:57] | dustybin: | aye one day |
| [04:05:17] | dustybin: | all you guys arent friendly tonight :D |
| [04:05:20] | dustybin: | ARE |
| [04:06:05] | dustybin: | usually by now i would have ban threats :-S |
| [04:06:30] | Beirdo: | you know... if you shut it about that, it's less likely to happen |
| [04:06:50] | dustybin: | aye, i dont mean no harm, i will go silent after |
| [04:07:12] | i_is_cat: | you keep saying that.. |
| [04:07:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:07:28] | dustybin: | i did before and will |
| [04:07:43] | i_is_cat: | maybe what you should say is "i'll just keep blah blah blahing some more" and that will actually make you go silent? :P lol |
| [04:08:20] | dustybin: | i_is_cat: at least your a normal user like me |
| [04:09:06] | i_is_cat: | well..... you've never met me.. i could be a cracked out user for all you know (i'm not, but i'm just saying) :P lol |
| [04:09:07] | Beirdo: | this is open source... every user is a normal user... and every user a potential developer. |
| [04:09:30] | dustybin: | or a potential lazy git :P |
| [04:11:12] | kormoc: | Every developer is a normal user |
| [04:11:29] | Beirdo: | yes, that too :) |
| [04:11:44] | kormoc: | and I still say /ignore is underused these days |
| [04:11:52] | i_is_cat: | lol |
| [04:11:56] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [04:12:05] | dustybin: | my contribution is using the product 24.7 and loving it |
| [04:16:09] | Beirdo: | flippin fitpc just went to sleep, I think |
| [04:16:28] | Beirdo: | sigh. I hate it when devices do that |
| [04:17:43] | i_is_cat: | as do i |
| [04:18:18] | Beirdo: | or maybe the thing crashed. I can't be bothered to walk into the other room right now and find out. |
| [04:19:19] | i_is_cat: | :| |
| [04:20:40] | i_is_cat: | lately ive been having issues with livetv streaming from my backend to my frontend, it seems to play fine, then it will sort of pause for a second or two and then keep going.. its been happening for a few months now is that my network being crappy? |
| [04:20:48] | i_is_cat: | or is there something obvious i should be checking? |
| [04:21:08] | dustybin: | check your logs |
| [04:21:18] | dustybin: | for buffer pauses |
| [04:21:45] | dustybin: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause |
| [04:22:50] | i_is_cat: | right on, thanks dustybin. sometimes its the terminology that hinders me when searching for issue resolutions.. |
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| [04:24:03] | i_is_cat: | i've been drinking, so i'm bookmarking that and checking it out when i have a more sound mind, plus im dealing with some eggdrop garbage right now.. :S |
| [04:24:04] | seagullarity: | has anybody here gotten mythtv to work with a MAudio Delta card? |
| [04:24:50] | Beirdo: | if that's a tuner: |
| [04:24:54] | Beirdo: | !url tuners |
| [04:24:54] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [04:25:00] | i_is_cat: | nice card seagullarity, does your regular sound work? |
| [04:25:04] | seagullarity: | yes |
| [04:25:05] | wagnerrp: | sound card |
| [04:25:07] | wagnerrp: | not tuner |
| [04:25:11] | Beirdo: | if it's audi output device... ALSA. |
| [04:25:23] | seagullarity: | if I run aplay -D plughw:0,0 soundfile.wav it runs fine |
| [04:25:25] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: you /can/ program your plugin in whatever language you want |
| [04:25:27] | Beirdo: | audio rather |
| [04:25:33] | i_is_cat: | if regular sound works then its probably just a setting so it shouldnt be much trouble |
| [04:25:38] | wagnerrp: | but if you want it to be a proper plugin, recognized and loaded into the frontend |
| [04:25:54] | seagullarity: | but if I set it to ALSA:plughw:0,0 in the mythfrontend, no dice |
| [04:25:57] | wagnerrp: | it must at the very lease include C++/Qt language bindings for whatever language you have written it in |
| [04:26:02] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [04:26:03] | dustybin: | ok |
| [04:26:10] | Beirdo: | what wagnerrp said :) |
| [04:26:17] | wagnerrp: | for instance, you /could/ write a plugin in python |
| [04:26:36] | dustybin: | and have a header what triggers it? |
| [04:26:37] | wagnerrp: | but you would subsequently have to write a C++ module for mythfrontend with a python interpreter |
| [04:26:38] | Beirdo: | not that we have one of those |
| [04:26:41] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [04:26:55] | wagnerrp: | and have it expose all the necessary functions as python classes and objects |
| [04:27:20] | dustybin: | the more external stuff code uses, the more complicated it gets |
| [04:27:35] | seagullarity: | i_is_cat, any idea which settings i should play with? I've tried probably 200 combinations of settings =) |
| [04:28:11] | dustybin: | if i coded something in perl and i want to access the serial port, why should i rely on the SERIAL::OUTPUT blah |
| [04:28:30] | wagnerrp: | didnt we go over this hours ago? |
| [04:28:54] | dustybin: | yes but to me it seems like everything relys on everything else |
| [04:29:04] | wagnerrp: | it does |
| [04:29:18] | wagnerrp: | mythtv relies on a bunch of external code |
| [04:29:30] | wagnerrp: | plugins rely on functions exposed by mythtv |
| [04:29:44] | Beirdo: | and devs rely on coffee |
| [04:29:59] | dustybin: | cant the library code be imbedded in the main code so it doesnt need a dep |
| [04:30:21] | wagnerrp: | thats called static compiling |
| [04:30:39] | dustybin: | at least everything would work |
| [04:30:48] | dustybin: | no deps, its all built in |
| [04:30:58] | wagnerrp: | but the external code would have to exist in compiled form when you compiled mythtv |
| [04:31:25] | wagnerrp: | and then you have a ginormous mythtv binary, because it includes tens of millions of lines of code |
| [04:31:55] | Beirdo: | and it would use more RAM too |
| [04:31:56] | dustybin: | then QT and ffmpeg change things totally and then waht |
| [04:32:07] | dustybin: | messy.. |
| [04:32:07] | Beirdo: | as it wouldn't be able to share the libs |
| [04:32:14] | i_is_cat: | seagullarity, im sorry but im seriously not the persopn to be asking about mythtv settings, and im drinking |
| [04:32:35] | i_is_cat: | but the people in here are great, and if your sound is working, it shouldnt be too much to get mythtv to use it |
| [04:32:51] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: you need someone to explain to you the reasons for dynamic linking, and here is not the palce |
| [04:33:03] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: indeed, i need to learn |
| [04:33:23] | wagnerrp: | weve been doing it for 20+ years because its 'a good thing' |
| [04:33:25] | wagnerrp: | ill leave it there |
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| [04:33:54] | dustybin: | so you guys should be good supported of the libs you use |
| [04:33:59] | dustybin: | supporters |
| [04:34:44] | dustybin: | i think, the move from 16-bit to 32-bit = serious complicated code |
| [04:34:47] | dustybin: | therfore, libs |
| [04:34:54] | wagnerrp: | several of our devs do things like submit things upstream to ffmpeg, or work on firewire APIs, or other hardware drivers |
| [04:34:56] | dustybin: | to make coding easier |
| [04:35:12] | dustybin: | aye good :D |
| [04:35:43] | dustybin: | code is alien.. |
| [04:35:58] | wagnerrp: | you are alien... |
| [04:36:16] | dustybin: | if code was easy, things would be created instantly |
| [04:38:06] | seagullarity: | lol |
| [04:38:19] | seagullarity: | i_is_cat, okay =) enjoy your buzz, while my digital outs are buzzing |
| [04:38:47] | dustybin: | i think humans dont have a 100% idea of what they are coding, otherwise, there would be no holes in code |
| [04:40:54] | dustybin: | and that tells that code is complicated stuff.. |
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| [04:47:35] | i_is_cat: | seagullarity, ty :) if your sound is working with other programs, try going into the frontend then go to utilities/setup -> general -> audio system and adjust the audio output.. it should work if its set to the proper output |
| [04:50:07] | Beirdo: | urgh |
| [04:50:26] | ** Beirdo farts at the Quiznos singing kittens ** | |
| [04:51:13] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i assume youve got HDPVR recordings with cutlists for you upnp stuff? |
| [04:51:22] | Beirdo: | yep |
| [04:51:39] | wagnerrp: | mind testing something im throwing together? |
| [04:51:50] | Beirdo: | I can try, sure |
| [04:52:01] | wagnerrp: | give me a few minutes to clean it up |
| [04:52:07] | Beirdo: | as long as it's non-destructive, of course ;) |
| [04:52:23] | wagnerrp: | it does a GOP cut for mpeg2 stuff, but i dont know if it will work for mpeg4 stuff |
| [04:52:58] | Beirdo: | well, H.264 isn't precisely mpeg4 :) |
| [04:53:02] | wagnerrp: | i needed to use 'mythtranscode --mpeg2' to fix the timecodes |
| [04:53:08] | wagnerrp: | well... anyway... |
| [04:53:09] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [04:53:25] | Beirdo: | that's the biggest issue in the upnp... flipping timecodes |
| [04:53:27] | wagnerrp: | it 'works' without fixing the timecodes, but its funky |
| [04:54:53] | dustybin: | good code relies on everything working in harmony, if there is a slight change, it could all fail |
| [04:55:07] | dustybin: | man should i stop drinking :P |
| [04:55:17] | Beirdo: | don't drink and IRC. |
| [04:55:21] | dustybin: | hhaahahha |
| [04:55:53] | Beirdo: | dangit, I'm hungry again. |
| [04:55:54] | Beirdo: | BRB |
| [04:55:55] | ** dustybin steals Beirdo myth weather code ** | |
| [04:56:24] | i_is_cat: | i wanna say drinking and irc is super lame.. but.. here i am.. |
| [04:56:26] | i_is_cat: | lol |
| [04:56:30] | dustybin: | :D |
| [04:56:41] | dustybin: | at least iamlindoro isnt here, we are safe :D |
| [04:57:03] | wagnerrp: | there you go again, antagonizing iamlindoro |
| [04:57:06] | kormoc: | no no no, irc without drinking is the super lame combo... :P |
| [04:57:10] | i_is_cat: | iamlindoro is pretty cool, he just doesnt tolerate certain things |
| [04:57:21] | i_is_cat: | and thats fine if you ask me |
| [04:57:35] | dustybin: | i dont hate the guy but i dont want him to ban me :-S |
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| [04:58:03] | i_is_cat: | well dont think about what you say before you say it..? |
| [04:58:09] | wagnerrp: | so stop pinging him |
| [04:58:23] | wagnerrp: | remember, every time you say his name, it gets highlighted in chat |
| [04:58:42] | wagnerrp: | and it may pm him with the contents if he has some custom scripts set up |
| [04:58:49] | dustybin: | yeah i kind of knew that... i hope he sees the light :-S |
| [04:59:05] | i_is_cat: | lol or perhaps you should think about it maybe.. |
| [04:59:51] | dustybin: | there are some funny characters in this channel |
| [05:00:14] | kormoc: | Ugh... |
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| [05:01:14] | ** iamlindoro gently taps his fingers ** | |
| [05:01:25] | i_is_cat: | lol |
| [05:01:28] | dustybin: | eeek time to go |
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| [05:02:07] | i_is_cat: | well i was gonna say you gotta tap it harder than that or no one can hear and get the point.. but.. |
| [05:02:14] | i_is_cat: | dustybin must have good ears ;) |
| [05:02:35] | iamlindoro: | I sometimes wonder if it's just a game to find out how many times he can dance on the line without a ban |
| [05:03:12] | kormoc: | I really think it is |
| [05:03:30] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: i always respect your words, im silent from now on. |
| [05:03:43] | wagnerrp: | dont be silent, just dont pester people |
| [05:03:44] | kormoc: | I know I used to get really close to the ban line, then I ignored him and folks said he settled down, and now he has a new favorite lion to poke... |
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| [05:06:39] | seagullarity: | is the signal coming in from the HDPVR a muxed AAC stream that can either be converted into stereo or 5.1...if so, when is converted, and by what? I'm guessing its converted by the soundcard drivers, or is it converted by the cpu? |
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| [05:09:51] | IICV: | Does anyone know how to take a given MythTV filename and convert it to something more human legible? |
| [05:09:59] | IICV: | mythrename.pl seems to do it, but I have no idea how |
| [05:10:26] | wagnerrp: | mythlink.pl |
| [05:11:41] | IICV: | I don't seem to have that file on my myth box |
| [05:11:54] | wagnerrp: | what version are you running? |
| [05:14:57] | IICV: | I'm not actually sure, I installed this a while ago. |
| [05:15:00] | IICV: | How would I find out? |
| [05:15:31] | IICV: | It's a Mythbuntu version, but I'm not sure which |
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| [05:23:59] | IICV: | Basically, I just want to be able to pass a filename in to a function and get a data structure or something out that contains the show's information, like the name and the series and the episode number if available. |
| [05:25:03] | IICV: | It seems like the Perl bindings would do this, but I have no idea how they work and I'm having difficulties reverse-engineering it from the scripts I've got. |
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| [05:31:05] | wagnerrp: | IICV: do you want to generate human-readable links to your files? or do you want to access the recording metadata? |
| [05:31:42] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: could you give http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/tscut.py a try? |
| [05:32:07] | Beirdo: | sure, one sec |
| [05:32:18] | wagnerrp: | should generate a new file in the same folder as your existing recording |
| [05:32:30] | wagnerrp: | <chanid>_<starttime>.new.mpg |
| [05:32:38] | Beirdo: | ah cool |
| [05:32:55] | Beirdo: | let me go figure out which one was my test file again |
| [05:34:20] | wagnerrp: | its 'tscut.py --chanid=... --starttime=...' |
| [05:34:55] | wagnerrp: | in theory, running it as a userjob should work too |
| [05:35:13] | wagnerrp: | crap... left the cokes in the freezer too long |
| [05:35:14] | wagnerrp: | theyre ice |
| [05:35:37] | Beirdo: | 2010-08–21 22:35:18.730 Python Database Connection: Database schema mismatch: we speak 1259 but database speaks 1263 |
| [05:35:41] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [05:35:49] | ** Beirdo slaps his setup... again ** | |
| [05:35:54] | wagnerrp: | the cutting works great, its how mythtranscode handles rebuilding the timecodes on h264 stuff that im concerned about |
| [05:36:10] | Beirdo: | works better if I export PYTHONPATH :) |
| [05:36:12] | seagullarity: | do people with an hdpvr use the rca outputs on the box of their device? |
| [05:36:20] | seagullarity: | or do you just receive the audio through the USB |
| [05:36:30] | wagnerrp: | audio through usb? |
| [05:36:40] | Beirdo: | ummm |
| [05:36:51] | Beirdo: | the audio is captured along with the video |
| [05:37:00] | wagnerrp: | the USB port is used to connect to the PC |
| [05:37:07] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: is this supposed to just sit here and do squat? |
| [05:37:20] | Beirdo: | says it's using connection settings... |
| [05:37:21] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it will look like its doing nothing |
| [05:37:24] | Beirdo: | then nothing |
| [05:37:26] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [05:37:33] | wagnerrp: | check the file in the folder |
| [05:37:44] | wagnerrp: | should write a temp.mpg, and then the final file |
| [05:38:16] | Beirdo: | there is a temp.mpg |
| [05:40:14] | Beirdo: | now there's the .new.mpg 0 bytes |
| [05:40:27] | Beirdo: | and not growing |
| [05:40:34] | wagnerrp: | sounds like mythtranscode barfed |
| [05:40:45] | wagnerrp: | run the command that it printed out manually, and see what happens |
| [05:41:02] | Beirdo: | well, the files aren't mpeg2 |
| [05:41:08] | Beirdo: | so it's kinda not surprising |
| [05:41:10] | wagnerrp: | theyre mpeg2 ts files arent they? |
| [05:41:17] | Beirdo: | umm |
| [05:41:34] | Beirdo: | they are H.264/AAC in an MPEG2-TS container |
| [05:41:54] | Beirdo: | 2010-08–21 22:41:21.183 missing picture in access unit |
| [05:41:54] | Beirdo: | 2010-08–21 22:41:21.183 Found end of file without finding any frames |
| [05:42:02] | wagnerrp: | right, was hoping it might handle them |
| [05:42:05] | Beirdo: | i.e. No PS or PES |
| [05:42:20] | wagnerrp: | means ill have to rely on ffmpeg to handle them |
| [05:42:31] | wagnerrp: | or <some other transcode tool> |
| [05:42:40] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:42:42] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [05:42:55] | Beirdo: | or we'll make mythtranscode have more brains |
| [05:42:57] | wagnerrp: | anyway, thanks |
| [05:42:59] | Beirdo: | that's the other option |
| [05:43:04] | Beirdo: | no problemo |
| [05:43:14] | wagnerrp: | well if were going to make mythtranscode have more brains, then this whole script is unnecessary |
| [05:43:41] | Beirdo: | the first step worked, by the looks of it |
| [05:43:46] | wagnerrp: | the script is because no one has made it brainier for the past two years |
| [05:43:47] | Beirdo: | temp.mpg is 4.4G |
| [05:43:57] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the file should be playable, but the timecodes will be messed up |
| [05:44:03] | Beirdo: | the original was 5.1G |
| [05:44:04] | wagnerrp: | so there will be unpredictable behavior in the gaps |
| [05:44:19] | Beirdo: | yup, I know how THAT works :) |
| [05:45:06] | Beirdo: | (likely for 0.25), I'll be looking at fixing this one way or the other for the upnp. |
| [05:45:18] | wagnerrp: | and apparently i need some logging so it will look like its actually doing something |
| [05:45:24] | Beirdo: | i.e. maybe a way to renumber on the fly |
| [05:45:46] | Beirdo: | kinda like tralph put in for playback |
| [05:47:08] | wagnerrp: | curse you materials state change |
| [05:47:20] | wagnerrp: | im still thirsty and theres coke slush at the bottom of that can i cant drink |
| [05:47:29] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:47:52] | Beirdo: | I was just considering making more coffee :) |
| [05:48:49] | Beirdo: | Coca Cola... I am out of |
| [05:50:04] | Beirdo: | mmm, I should order a new case of Mexican Coke |
| [05:50:55] | wagnerrp: | try 'ffmpeg -acodec copy -vcodec copy -target dvd -i temp.mpg temp2.mpg' |
| [05:51:01] | wagnerrp: | see if temp2.mpg is playable |
| [05:51:44] | Beirdo: | haha |
| [05:51:58] | Beirdo: | please prefix target with pal-, ntsc- or film- |
| [05:52:13] | wagnerrp: | huh |
| [05:52:19] | wagnerrp: | that line worked fine on gentoo |
| [05:52:26] | wagnerrp: | but wouldnt work fine on bsd |
| [05:52:34] | wagnerrp: | with the same error |
| [05:52:37] | Beirdo: | ffmpeg is craptacular |
| [05:52:42] | wagnerrp: | newer version on my bsd box i suppose |
| [05:53:23] | Beirdo: | not working whatsoever |
| [05:53:33] | wagnerrp: | thats what i had the script set up to use before finding mythtranscode could fix timecodes |
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| [06:04:08] | wagnerrp: | does mediawiki allow you to add custom javascript to a page? or is that blocked for security purposes? |
| [06:04:46] | kormoc: | You can add js in the templates, but that's all afaik |
| [06:05:34] | wagnerrp: | ive just never liked the wiki manual navigation tool |
| [06:06:16] | wagnerrp: | wondering if you could write some dropdown replacement |
| [06:06:29] | wagnerrp: | without doing it directly as a module |
| [06:07:09] | kormoc: | likely |
| [06:07:17] | kormoc: | we've talked about skinning the wiki to match the site anyway |
| [06:07:25] | kormoc: | it'd be nice to get the two unified a bit |
| [06:07:50] | Beirdo: | skin it just like a proverbial cat? |
| [06:07:51] | IICV: | Sorry about that, I was AFK. |
| [06:08:09] | wagnerrp: | ideally, it would be a navigation tab at the top, but im not sure if thats doable |
| [06:08:23] | IICV: | Anyway what I'm trying to do is make a podcast dealie for my mythweb; I've found one online, but it's not user friendly because all it lists is recording time and raw filename |
| [06:08:32] | IICV: | So it would be nice if I could get actual titles and things |
| [06:09:05] | wagnerrp: | if youre doing it in mythweb, use the built in database and backend access classes |
| [06:09:44] | IICV: | Hmm |
| [06:09:49] | IICV: | Where would that be? |
| [06:10:00] | IICV: | And the feed generator script is in perl, so I'd like to keep it like that if I can |
| [06:10:45] | Beirdo: | hmmm, I don't feel like doing anything productive.... |
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| [06:10:51] | wagnerrp: | mythweb already has a built in RSS generator |
| [06:11:10] | IICV: | Really? Where is that? |
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| [06:11:24] | wagnerrp: | bottom of the 'recorded programs' page |
| [06:11:40] | wagnerrp: | right now, it just links to the detail page |
| [06:12:03] | IICV: | Hmm looks like it's not in my version |
| [06:12:04] | wagnerrp: | you could trivially provide a link to the file itself, or the flash stream |
| [06:12:20] | IICV: | Nah it needs to be published as a podcast |
| [06:12:37] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what that entails |
| [06:12:43] | IICV: | So yeah to the file itself |
| [06:12:59] | IICV: | Honestly I don't either, which is why I want to keep the script in perl :) |
| [06:13:24] | kormoc: | uhh |
| [06:13:34] | kormoc: | it's been shipping from 0.20, so it's in your version |
| [06:13:36] | IICV: | It seems like if you just publish an xml file with specific attributes it'll play nicely with iTunes |
| [06:13:38] | IICV: | Huh |
| [06:14:05] | wagnerrp: | an rss feed is nothing more than a specially styled xml file |
| [06:14:23] | IICV: | Then in that case it's not showing up for some reason, at the bottom of recorded programs all I have is some statistics (x programs using y GB (z time) out of w GB) |
| [06:14:46] | kormoc: | to make it a 'podcast', it'd take one extra line in the feed template to add the link to the recording as a media attachment |
| [06:15:10] | kormoc: | IICV, what theme? what mythweb version? and you don't get a rss icon in your address bar? what browser? |
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| [06:17:21] | IICV: | The standard theme, I don't know what version (where would that be?) I don't get an RSS icon in my browser, and Firefox |
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| [06:17:51] | kormoc: | you *must* use the same version of mythweb with the same version of mythtv, so whatever version of myth you are uisng |
| [06:18:09] | IICV: | Then how would I find that? I think it's .22 but I'm not sure, it's been a while since I installed it. |
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| [06:18:35] | kormoc: | view the source on the page, you don't have anything with application/rss+xml ? |
| [06:18:52] | IICV: | Nope |
| [06:19:00] | IICV: | And I'm looking at mythweb/tv/recorded |
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| [06:21:03] | IICV: | No it looks like I have .21 |
| [06:21:35] | kormoc: | line #23 of modules/tv/tmpl/default/recorded.php |
| [06:21:42] | kormoc: | verify you have a rss link there? |
| [06:22:49] | IICV: | Nope |
| [06:23:03] | IICV: | That's a line that looks to be requiring some page headers |
| [06:23:49] | kormoc: | I have no idea why you don't have it |
| [06:24:09] | IICV: | Eh it says: * @version $Revision: 16807 $ |
| [06:24:13] | IICV: | In the header for that file |
| [06:24:19] | IICV: | It's probably really old |
| [06:24:22] | IICV: | But look, this is beside the point |
| [06:24:38] | IICV: | I can't just publish a feed of the raw files, since they're going to be going to an iPod anyway |
| [06:25:13] | kormoc: | Okay then |
| [06:25:16] | ** kormoc wonders off ** | |
| [06:25:27] | IICV: | And the rest of it works, I just want to get actual show names given the name of a file on the hard drive |
| [06:26:23] | IICV: | Hah, no wonder you're so interested in that |
| [06:26:37] | IICV: | The @author tag on the main mythweb.php file is kormoc |
| [06:30:57] | Beirdo: | #8801... nice |
| [06:31:15] | Beirdo: | looks like the upnp server will be supporting SG for video shortly |
| [06:31:27] | Beirdo: | I was gonna put that off for 0.25, but if the patch works... |
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| [07:34:49] | Beirdo: | bleh |
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| [08:07:41] | emanuelez: | hello |
| [08:08:22] | emanuelez: | I'm having problems scanning for channels on a dvb-s(2) setup with a switch and 2 LNB2 (astra and hotbird) |
| [08:09:35] | emanuelez: | "scan for all existing transports" gives me a "error tuning to transport" |
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| [08:49:08] | justinh: | for that to work there have to be transports which exist in the database |
| [08:49:21] | justinh: | what you need to do is a TUNED scan |
| [08:49:42] | justinh: | find the transponder details you need from the internet – e.g. from lyngsat.com |
| [08:49:58] | justinh: | then enter them into the scan page in mythtv-setup |
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| [09:39:16] | emanuelez: | justinh: ah thanks. i'm also trying to use scan with vdr output format... no luck so far. i guess it has something to do with my switch address. what are the possibilities other than 0x10? |
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| [09:40:59] | justinh: | you shouldn't be using a channels.conf file. use the internal scanner |
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| [09:45:52] | emanuelez: | justinh: hmmm... i never had any luck with that. do i have to enter parameteres for every single trasport for both hotbird and astra? that would take forever :-S |
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| [10:00:16] | SNIFFER_dog: | hi all |
| [10:00:59] | emanuelez: | hello |
| [10:05:37] | SNIFFER_dog: | I'm still getting an error no UPNP but think it might be something to do with the mysql. When running mythtv-setup in terminal i get a few error messages e.g. unable to to read configuration file mysql.txt / Unable to connect to database / QMYSQL Unable to connect / Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) Im using Fedora Core 13 any ideas. Ive tried chaning the |
| [10:05:38] | SNIFFER_dog: | root password for the sql but it does not let me even though it blank! |
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| [10:20:36] | justinh: | emanuelez: not every transport. myth should be able to pick up most of not all other transports from just one as far as I know |
| [10:23:20] | justinh: | s/of/if/ |
| [10:23:40] | justinh: | SNIFFER_dog: upnp has nothing to do with mysql |
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| [10:24:22] | justinh: | SNIFFER_dog: if you're trying to get another machine to connect to a master backend you have to make sure you can log into the mysql server from the machine you want to connect from |
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| [10:34:06] | SNIFFER_dog: | justinh, its on the same machine i've not got mythtv working well enough to try connecting other frontends yet. I've had this fault before but can't for life of me remeber how to solve it but I think i just had to run some configuration |
| [10:34:52] | SNIFFER_dog: | I must have missed some vital stage of installation |
| [10:36:11] | bjd: | etotheipi: how did you get on? |
| [10:36:47] | etotheipi: | I had a dependency resolution problem when attempting to install the packages (all together, I add) |
| [10:36:53] | etotheipi: | but somehow, everything worked out |
| [10:37:30] | bjd: | cool |
| [10:37:38] | bjd: | do you have data for the 2nd Sept btw? |
| [10:37:45] | bjd: | (cos i don't) |
| [10:37:48] | etotheipi: | EPG data? |
| [10:37:53] | bjd: | Yeah |
| [10:38:02] | etotheipi: | NFI. I powered the machine down and didn't check that far ahead ;-p |
| [10:38:34] | bjd: | Heh |
| [10:38:49] | bjd: | I only have data up to the 28th |
| [10:38:55] | bjd: | I thought I'd get 14 days |
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| [11:11:20] | justinh: | SNIFFER_dog: if you're getting mysql connection errors on the same machine then I doubt you can even say you've got mythtv working full stop |
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| [11:14:20] | SNIFFER_dog: | justinh, yes your right i haven't but I'm trying too |
| [11:14:40] | emanuelez: | justinh: i think i got it to work :) actually watching tv from the frontend now! now i just gotta setup proper gey binding for my remote and understand how to skip to a channel in an easy/fast way :) |
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| [11:50:38] | emanuelez: | hmmm... how do i jusp to a channel if i know its name? |
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| [12:13:29] | sphery: | emanuelez: type in the channel number for the channel |
| [12:14:43] | sphery: | emanuelez: or use channel up/down (up/down keys) until it shows the channel you want, then select (space/enter) |
| [12:16:52] | sphery: | emanuelez: or hit guide (S), then use up/down to navigate channels and then select a channel (don't remember the key, but if you hit menu (M), you'll be given the option) |
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| [12:23:59] | emanuelez: | sphery: thank you. i thought there was an easy way to search throw the channels typing in the name or part of it :P |
| [12:32:11] | sphery: | we only use the channel number for that since it's much more remote-friendly |
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| [13:10:39] | amigo`: | hey there :) |
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| [13:11:12] | amigo`: | is anyone from germany here, because the problem i have is wiht a german tv channel ? |
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| [13:34:44] | amigo`: | is anyone from germany here, because the problem i have is wiht a german tv channel ? |
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| [13:55:59] | janneg: | amigo`: there's also #mythtv-de |
| [14:02:20] | amigo`: | thanks |
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| [16:21:44] | mattwj2002: | hey guys |
| [16:21:50] | mattwj2002: | I need a little help |
| [16:21:53] | mattwj2002: | anyone here? |
| [16:22:01] | kormoc: | nope |
| [16:22:16] | mattwj2002: | bummer :( |
| [16:23:00] | wagnerrp: | you know the rules |
| [16:23:05] | wagnerrp: | we dont answer cries for help |
| [16:23:10] | wagnerrp: | we answer specific questions |
| [16:23:11] | mattwj2002: | sorry |
| [16:23:55] | mattwj2002: | I want to encode my videos using handbrake the only problem is I don't know how to do that with the tv show names can you guys help me with that? |
| [16:24:09] | wagnerrp: | know any python? |
| [16:24:18] | kormoc: | or just use nuvexport |
| [16:24:45] | mattwj2002: | I do not |
| [16:24:45] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Transcode_wrapper_stub ... or yeah, use nuvexport |
| [16:26:02] | mattwj2002: | crap |
| [16:26:22] | mattwj2002: | okay how about this |
| [16:27:16] | sphery: | with the tv show names? |
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| [16:27:20] | mattwj2002: | can you guys help me setup a user job to auto transcode to ipod using handbrake using a user job? |
| [16:27:23] | mattwj2002: | correct |
| [16:27:28] | sphery: | you mean you want the files you create to default to using a good name? |
| [16:27:45] | mattwj2002: | exactly |
| [16:27:46] | wagnerrp: | ah, right... the names |
| [16:27:57] | mattwj2002: | instead of numbers |
| [16:27:58] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [16:28:01] | sphery: | oh, auto-transcode... I was going to say to just "open" the symlink created by mythlink.pl |
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| [16:28:37] | sphery: | but if you're doing it automatically, you'll need to use some perl or python bindings stuff |
| [16:28:43] | wagnerrp: | got http://mythtv.org/wiki/Trunk_Python_bindings/ . . . s#formatPath for that, takes the same syntax as mythlink.pl |
| [16:29:57] | mattwj2002: | hmm |
| [16:30:20] | mattwj2002: | I got an idea |
| [16:30:22] | wagnerrp: | or you could check out mythexport |
| [16:30:33] | mattwj2002: | I have tried mythexport |
| [16:30:38] | mattwj2002: | it doesn't work |
| [16:30:47] | mattwj2002: | for me at least :) |
| [16:31:01] | kormoc: | you have the handbreak command line... just use nuvexport... |
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| [16:32:26] | mattwj2002: | yeah I'll just have to figure out how to convert it |
| [16:32:33] | mattwj2002: | thanks guys |
| [16:32:40] | mattwj2002: | I think nuvexport is the best option |
| [16:37:10] | mattwj2002: | anyone know how to do this? |
| [16:38:39] | iamlindoro: | mattwj2002, I don't thinkanyone is going to want to write you a personal manual for nuvexport-- how about trying it and then asking if you have problems? |
| [16:40:15] | mattwj2002: | no here is the deal |
| [16:40:25] | mattwj2002: | I don't think handbrake is built for handbrake |
| [16:40:32] | mattwj2002: | nuvexport |
| [16:40:48] | iamlindoro: | no, nuvexport does not use handbrake |
| [16:40:54] | mattwj2002: | oh |
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| [16:41:54] | mattwj2002: | well the reason I didn't use nuvexport to begin with is because it didn't support the ipod |
| [16:42:02] | mattwj2002: | maybe I can get it to work |
| [16:42:52] | kormoc: | handbreak and nuvexport use the same applications |
| [16:43:01] | kormoc: | you have the command line handbreak is using |
| [16:43:09] | kormoc: | tell nuxexport to use the same one and you're done |
| [16:43:44] | mattwj2002: | okay |
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| [16:50:05] | super_ted: | Hi, I |
| [16:51:07] | super_ted: | Hi, I'm experiencing some glitches when viewing channels over DVB-C, but only for certain channels. I've tried to find troubleshooting for these types of issues (wiki, mailinglist), but cannot find a place to start. |
| [16:51:27] | [R]: | "glitches"? |
| [16:52:14] | mattwj2002: | okay guys |
| [16:52:25] | mattwj2002: | I have a specific question and it is important |
| [16:52:39] | kormoc: | 42 |
| [16:52:45] | iamlindoro: | C |
| [16:52:51] | iamlindoro: | kormoc says the answer is always C |
| [16:53:07] | kormoc: | its true |
| [16:53:22] | ** mattwj2002 thinks kormoc watches Stargate Universe ** | |
| [16:53:35] | mattwj2002: | no what can I use for the --aname option in ffmpeg |
| [16:53:56] | ** iamlindoro thinks mattwj2002 wants #ffmpeg ** | |
| [16:53:56] | mattwj2002: | otherwise I get Spanish audio :( |
| [16:54:08] | mattwj2002: | no this is for nuvexport |
| [16:54:22] | iamlindoro: | it's for using ffmpeg in nuvexport |
| [16:54:31] | mattwj2002: | the correct |
| [16:54:32] | iamlindoro: | we don't know/support ffmpeg-- the ffmpeg guys do though |
| [16:54:34] | wagnerrp: | what does '42' have to do with stargate universe? |
| [16:54:43] | super_ted: | [R]: glitches as in mpeg blocks. |
| [16:54:56] | mattwj2002: | one second |
| [16:54:57] | [R]: | super_ted: sounds like a problem from the source and/or poor signal quality |
| [16:55:52] | mattwj2002: | oh never mind that is 46 |
| [16:55:53] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [16:56:04] | mattwj2002: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_%28Stargate_Universe%29 |
| [16:56:04] | super_ted: | [R]: well, the signal is ~40% on all my channels. I suspect MythTV is misreporting the signal quality (I've read that different tuners report signal quality differently). |
| [16:56:21] | [R]: | myth isn't misreporting it |
| [16:56:23] | [R]: | your hardware is |
| [16:56:38] | super_ted: | [R]: right, that's what I meant :-) |
| [16:56:40] | iamlindoro: | super_ted, If you are seeing signal corruption then in all liklihood the report of poor signal quality is correct |
| [16:57:01] | iamlindoro: | If the driver says your signal quality stinks, and the picture stinks... ;) |
| [16:57:10] | super_ted: | iamlindoro: but the problem is limited to certain channels, and others (including HD ones) work perfectly |
| [16:57:23] | iamlindoro: | super_ted, That's not unexpected |
| [16:57:25] | mattwj2002: | so anyone know? |
| [16:57:51] | iamlindoro: | super_ted, Broadcast signals exist across a broad spectrum of frequency |
| [16:58:15] | iamlindoro: | super_ted, it's perfectly normal for some frequencies to have signal quality issues |
| [16:59:16] | super_ted: | iamlindoro: I see... |
| [16:59:39] | super_ted: | [R], iamlindoro: here's a picture of the problems I'm seeing, in case that changes anything. http://i34.tinypic.com/9kt5hu.jpg |
| [16:59:53] | iamlindoro: | Yep, looks like signal quality issues |
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| [17:00:26] | iamlindoro: | Could try removing cable splits, checking termination, checking cable quality, and if absolutely necessary, you can try amplification |
| [17:02:40] | super_ted: | iamlindoro: I don't have any splits, and from my wall outlet I use a new antenna cable. granted, it's the cheapest money can buy so I guess I should try changing it. |
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| [17:07:44] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I'm thinking about Mythnetvision again, for no particular reason. |
| [17:08:29] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | What is the design for the upcoming subsystem that will move downloading downloadable content to the backend? |
| [17:08:38] | super_ted: | iamlindoro: here's a pic of my wall outlet: http://i37.tinypic.com/15yc703.jpg — any comments? :-) |
| [17:09:19] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | That's an antenna outlet, right? |
| [17:09:44] | super_ted: | gadgetwisdomguru: yes, TV on the left and radio on the right. |
| [17:10:03] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | very heavy duty |
| [17:10:20] | super_ted: | I think it's from the seventies. |
| [17:10:34] | [R]: | that just makes me waant to get a tetnus shot |
| [17:12:00] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | [R] That makes me hope super_ted isn't in a place prone to electrical storms and that it is properly grounded. |
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| [17:13:15] | super_ted: | Copenhagen, Denmark. :-) you guys think I should change this to something more 'plasticky'? |
| [17:14:13] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I'm not an electrical engineer, but clean it out,make sure it is insulated, and make sure there is some sort of proper grounding outside and it should be fine, in my opinion. |
| [17:17:40] | super_ted: | right. I will, thanks. by the way, would it make sense to try switching the two cables? radio -> tv? they carry the same signal, right? |
| [17:18:24] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | They are coming from the same antenna, I'd assume. |
| [17:18:24] | [R]: | do they come frfom the same source? |
| [17:18:30] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | But, you'd have to check that. |
| [17:20:06] | super_ted: | I have no idea where they come from, I'm in a fifth floor apartment and cannot see anything that's not already in the picture. |
| [17:20:25] | [R]: | well how do you expect us to know what it is if you don't know what it is? |
| [17:20:48] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Well, you may need to investigate. Or at least talk to the building owner about the quality and maintenance of their antenna. |
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| [17:22:22] | super_ted: | R: what I meant to ask was this: in a cable setup, is the only difference between the radio and tv output the 'gender' of the connector? |
| [17:23:23] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | As far as I know, yes. The connector is the basic difference. But I've seen radio use the standard TV F-connector. |
| [17:23:34] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | But, I'm in the US. not sure how it is different in other countries. |
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| [17:35:02] | super_ted: | thanks for all your help, people. switching to the radio cable didn't help, it didn't give me a signal at all. I'll try a better antenna cable next. |
| [17:37:06] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I wish I knew more about this stuff. |
| [17:37:54] | super_ted: | me too ;-) |
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| [18:42:18] | Azelphur: | Is there a bindable key to toggle subtitles? |
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| [18:43:21] | [R]: | Azelphur: all the bindable actions are in "Edit Keys" |
| [18:43:31] | Azelphur: | yea, I'm looking for it but I can't seem to find one |
| [18:44:38] | [R]: | did you try TOGGLECC in "TV Playback"? |
| [18:44:56] | [R]: | or TOGGLESUBTITLE also in TV Playback |
| [18:45:04] | Azelphur: | ah, TOGGLE |
| [18:45:07] | Azelphur: | I was looking under S |
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| [18:58:31] | Laberkopf: | hello ive got a problem with mythmusicv |
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| [18:59:47] | Laberkopf: | it wont play music :( |
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| [19:06:30] | wagnerrp: | gah... people spend /lots/ or money on these universal remotes, and then have no idea how they work |
| [19:06:49] | wagnerrp: | s/or/of/ |
| [19:07:16] | [R]: | i love my radioshack remote |
| [19:07:26] | wagnerrp: | it just bothers me when people ask for an lircrc for their universal remote |
| [19:07:39] | [R]: | lol |
| [19:07:44] | wagnerrp: | its *universal*... it has no IR codes to call its own |
| [19:09:22] | [R]: | so i tried that find orphans script |
| [19:09:36] | [R]: | was pretty cool... except it found all my mythvideo stuff, so i had to manually delete the real stuff |
| [19:10:21] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I just got a new universal remote |
| [19:10:35] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | From a company called Universal Remote Control. How self-referential of them |
| [19:10:41] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | They had the MCE remote profile already in there. |
| [19:11:23] | wagnerrp: | if you ask for a lircrc file, i swear to god, i will find a way to jump through this cat-6 cable and stab you |
| [19:11:44] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [19:11:55] | Laberkopf: | no one? |
| [19:12:17] | wagnerrp: | Laberkopf: 'not playing music' is pretty broad |
| [19:12:22] | wagnerrp: | does the music not show up at all? |
| [19:12:30] | wagnerrp: | does it show up and playback fails? |
| [19:12:30] | Laberkopf: | it shows up |
| [19:12:38] | wagnerrp: | does it look like its playing, but theres no audio? |
| [19:12:48] | Laberkopf: | nope.. |
| [19:13:07] | Laberkopf: | no visualisation.. no progressbar etc. |
| [19:13:26] | wagnerrp: | is it possibly some weird format that mythmusic simply does not support? |
| [19:13:35] | Laberkopf: | mp3 and ogg |
| [19:13:45] | Laberkopf: | ogg wont work either |
| [19:13:47] | sphery: | did you look in the frontend log file for errors? |
| [19:13:47] | wagnerrp: | mp3 and vorbis should both work fine |
| [19:14:16] | Laberkopf: | sphery: where is the log saved? |
| [19:14:23] | wagnerrp: | try /var/log/mythtv/ |
| [19:14:44] | justinh: | or just re-run mythfrontend from a terminal & check there |
| [19:14:56] | wagnerrp: | assuming youre not using mythbuntu |
| [19:14:58] | Laberkopf: | ah |
| [19:15:00] | Laberkopf: | 2010-08–22 20:28:04.572 Error opening audio device (Standard) |
| [19:15:00] | Laberkopf: | eno: No such file or directory (2)^C |
| [19:15:30] | Laberkopf: | wagnerrp: kubuntu with mythtv in seperate x-server but problem also exists ins tandart x server |
| [19:16:10] | wagnerrp: | ubuntu wraps the normal executables such that you have to jump through some hoops to run the normal executables directly |
| [19:16:32] | [R]: | mythfrontend.real is hoops? |
| [19:16:59] | wagnerrp: | you also have to set up the necessary ~/.mythtv files, or reset your HOME directory properly |
| [19:16:59] | Laberkopf: | uhm? |
| [19:17:07] | justinh: | IIRC you can still pass commandline options even using the ubuntu mythfrontend wrapper |
| [19:17:30] | wagnerrp: | [R]: all stuff the rest of us are used to dealing with |
| [19:17:35] | Laberkopf: | -> ? |
| [19:17:37] | wagnerrp: | but mythbuntu users may have never seen |
| [19:17:53] | justinh: | why do they even do that anyway? |
| [19:17:55] | Laberkopf: | what shall i do? |
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| [19:18:14] | justinh: | Laberkopf: well, check which device mythmusic is set to use |
| [19:18:40] | justinh: | and even if it looks okay, verify the device actually exists |
| [19:19:06] | justinh: | IIRC the default setting should be to use the same device as the rest of mythfrontend audio |
| [19:19:17] | justinh: | that's one setting I won't miss when it goes |
| [19:19:38] | Laberkopf: | justinh: ive set it from "Standart" to default |
| [19:20:49] | Laberkopf: | no difference.. |
| [19:21:09] | wagnerrp: | are you running mythbuntu? or mythtv on top of ubuntu? |
| [19:21:28] | wagnerrp: | the latter could be running into problems with pulseaudio |
| [19:21:45] | Laberkopf: | mythty on top of ubuntu 10.04 |
| [19:21:46] | wagnerrp: | pulse screwing with the available audio devices |
| [19:21:56] | sphery: | I'm trying to reverse a patch I previously applied. In the first patch, I deleted a blank line and then a line of code, leaving a blank line. When reversing, it's adding the line of code after the remaining blank line and putting the new blank line /after/ the line I'm adding. I just can't get it to put the right blank line in the right place... |
| [19:22:09] | sphery: | Kind of like trying to wash water spots out of my laundry. |
| [19:22:35] | Laberkopf: | so what shall i do? |
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| [19:23:39] | Laberkopf: | h |
| [19:23:48] | Laberkopf: | pulse audio has crashed |
| [19:23:54] | Laberkopf: | no sound at all |
| [19:24:46] | Laberkopf: | hmpf |
| [19:24:54] | Laberkopf: | enough for today.. |
| [19:25:03] | justinh: | just get rid of pulseaudio :) |
| [19:25:10] | justinh: | I did, I never looked back |
| [19:25:31] | Beirdo: | /me pulses PA right into the trash |
| [19:26:17] | Beirdo: | OK, time for brunch, then more myth fun |
| [19:26:25] | Laberkopf: | brunch?? |
| [19:26:36] | Laberkopf: | whats your timezone Beirdo? |
| [19:26:48] | Laberkopf: | what time is it aut your home? |
| [19:27:24] | sphery: | it's actually noon-30 for him |
| [19:27:36] | sphery: | which is a good brunch time |
| [19:27:40] | Laberkopf: | yes |
| [19:27:51] | sphery: | wonder if Beirdo will order Eggs Benedict for me... |
| [19:28:01] | Laberkopf: | here in germany its 9:30pm |
| [19:28:05] | Laberkopf: | :D |
| [19:28:15] | sphery: | yeah, that's a bit late for a brunch |
| [19:28:32] | sphery: | Unless they have Denny's over there. :) |
| [19:28:49] | sphery: | (that's a restaurant that serves breakfast all day over here) |
| [19:29:19] | [R]: | sphery: what do you think... IHOP vs Dennys |
| [19:29:34] | sphery: | I'd probably choose Denny's. |
| [19:29:43] | [R]: | yeah, tahts what my friends say |
| [19:29:46] | sphery: | But I'll always pick The Cracker Barrel over Dennys |
| [19:29:56] | [R]: | where do you live? |
| [19:30:01] | sphery: | and I love Bob Evans biscuits and gravy |
| [19:30:03] | sphery: | FL |
| [19:30:10] | [R]: | not a big fan of cracker barrel |
| [19:30:18] | sphery: | The Sunrise Sampler! |
| [19:30:32] | [R]: | i got one down the street |
| [19:30:34] | sphery: | more food than I need for 5 breakfasts :) |
| [19:30:45] | sphery: | yeah, there's one just under a mile from my house |
| [19:30:53] | sphery: | and Denny's is about 1 1/2 miles |
| [19:31:00] | sphery: | Bob Evans 1 1/4 |
| [19:31:16] | sphery: | and a Perkins across the street from Dennys |
| [19:31:54] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | There are no Dennys or Cracker Barrels in NYC, alas |
| [19:32:04] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I know where there is an IHOP though |
| [19:32:09] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Never been to a Perkins |
| [19:32:22] | sphery: | GadgetWisdomGuru: but there's a /lot/ of good food in NYC |
| [19:32:32] | [R]: | "good" food scares me |
| [19:32:33] | [R]: | haha |
| [19:33:02] | sphery: | yeah, it's good I don't live there--I eat a lot of "good" food when I'm there for work that's not at all good for me |
| [19:33:09] | sphery: | Wall Street Burger Shoppe ftw! |
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| [19:33:50] | sphery: | If you ever go there, get the Macaroni and Cheese Burger |
| [19:34:05] | sphery: | now I'm seriously craving one |
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| [19:36:42] | bjd: | odd combination :) |
| [19:38:33] | sphery: | they put the macaroni noodles in the burger meat, then give you a cheese sauce to pour over it or dip or whatever... It is /soooooo/ good. |
| [19:40:42] | sphery: | wagnerrp: So did you say you have a good lircrc for the Harmony remote? You should send it to the guy on the list. :) |
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| [19:41:24] | ** wagnerrp tries to jump through his computer monitor ** | |
| [19:42:29] | sphery: | I'm glad stab-over-IP is still an unfinished standard |
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| [19:43:49] | sphery: | anyway, if, while you're in the computer monitor, you see Kevin Flynn, tell him I said I can't wait to see his new movie |
| [19:43:58] | bjd: | I've got an issue where I'm using VDPAU and when trying to watch channel 4 live in the UK I get 2 secs of playback then it freezes |
| [19:44:08] | bjd: | if i use a normal playback profile, it seems OK. |
| [19:44:18] | bjd: | this sound like anything obvious? |
| [19:44:30] | sphery: | which vdpau playback profile group? |
| [19:44:42] | bjd: | High quality. |
| [19:44:47] | sphery: | maybe you're overstressing your card and need to go to vdpau normal or slim |
| [19:44:54] | bjd: | I'm using a 9500GT |
| [19:44:56] | sphery: | at least worth a try |
| [19:45:04] | bjd: | OK, i'll try that – seems OK with other channels |
| [19:45:11] | sphery: | and that's the extent of my vdpau knowledge |
| [19:46:25] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Sphery, I know. Just not certain chain restaurants. |
| [19:47:06] | justinh: | bjd: one thing: WHY use VDPAU for mpeg2 SDTV? |
| [19:47:33] | justinh: | another thing: I think C4 are doing something really weird with their encoders these days |
| [19:48:29] | justinh: | even with software decoding I see weird artifacts on some recording, especially The Simpsons – where it looks like the bitrate has really bottomed out |
| [19:48:48] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Sphery, I can't have a mac and cheese burger. But I'll keep it in mind. |
| [19:48:51] | justinh: | and it's not a signal issue. I'm getting a very good clear signal here |
| [19:49:11] | [R]: | justinh: why not use vdpau for sd? |
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| [19:49:35] | justinh: | er.. because... any modern CPU shouldn't break into a sweat playing SDTV mpeg2 |
| [19:49:54] | justinh: | sure use VDPAU video rendering for SD res stuff.. |
| [19:50:07] | [R]: | well i only keep the 1 profile |
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| [19:50:14] | [R]: | vdpau for everyhing |
| [19:50:18] | bjd: | Yeah, me too |
| [19:50:18] | justinh: | but then I can understand not setting up 2 profiles.. I've seen that config screen |
| [19:50:23] | ** wagnerrp wonders if its a bit creepy to look up a user's mention of newegg purchases in 2005 to know which CC format he would be recording... ** | |
| [19:50:51] | justinh: | bjd: anyway, blame the broadcaster not VDPAU IMHO |
| [19:51:13] | bjd: | I'm not blaming anything yet :) |
| [19:51:16] | justinh: | somebody said they can fix it by remuxing the streams – i.e. doing a lossless transcode |
| [19:51:26] | bjd: | tho a workaround might be to have two profiles |
| [19:51:35] | justinh: | wouldn't be the 1st time freeview decoding errors have been solved that way |
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| [19:52:05] | bjd: | ah well, not just me |
| [19:52:06] | justinh: | the test sample somebody uploaded was presumably Come Dine With Me :-\ |
| [19:52:09] | bjd: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/447781 |
| [19:52:14] | bjd: | lol |
| [19:52:16] | justinh: | I know, I saw the thread |
| [19:52:42] | justinh: | to which I asked "WHY is anybody bothering with VDPAU for SDTV mpeg2" ;) |
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| [19:53:14] | justinh: | maybe the test clip uploaded isn't long enough, or is just the wrong part |
| [19:54:05] | justinh: | is it any show in particular, or generally all of C4 output? |
| [19:54:07] | [R]: | justinh: does a single core atom count as a "modern CPU"? |
| [19:54:09] | justinh: | and is C4+1 ok? |
| [19:54:21] | justinh: | [R]: no, doesn't count as any kind of CPU IMHO |
| [19:54:47] | justinh: | though even a single core atom should be able to cope with sdtv mpeg2 |
| [19:54:58] | justinh: | without bursting into flames, I mean |
| [19:55:32] | bjd: | thats not really the point tho |
| [19:55:34] | bjd: | ;) |
| [19:55:38] | justinh: | yes it is |
| [19:55:51] | [R]: | justinh: but what about h264 sd |
| [19:56:01] | justinh: | there is no h.264 SD here |
| [19:56:13] | [R]: | i thought we were talking about vdpau in general |
| [19:56:31] | justinh: | you might've been. I wasn't |
| [19:56:37] | [R]: | lol |
| [19:56:51] | [R]: | do people not use the hdpvr in england? |
| [19:56:56] | justinh: | nope |
| [19:56:58] | bjd: | no |
| [19:57:13] | justinh: | component outputs on STBs will soon be no more, if they're not already gone |
| [19:57:29] | [R]: | people are worried about that here too |
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| [19:58:22] | justinh: | there's bugger all worth subscribing to on pay TV anyway, let alone shell out £800 a year on subs AND buy an HDPVR |
| [19:59:10] | [R]: | i pay like $60/mo for cable |
| [19:59:28] | justinh: | yeh well I know some people who get everything.. mugs, I call em |
| [19:59:57] | wagnerrp: | [R]: sure, but with 400 channels, theres still nothing on to watch |
| [20:00:03] | [R]: | haha, yeah |
| [20:00:25] | [R]: | i have 77 in my lineup |
| [20:00:33] | [R]: | althoug htahts counting duplicate sources |
| [20:01:00] | [R]: | 65 |
| [20:03:40] | justinh: | ok maybe Sky isn't that expensive.. £51 a month for everything |
| [20:04:42] | justinh: | still though.. £51 a month for a bunch of straight to disc movies & oodles of channels showing repeats of BBC shows |
| [20:05:19] | justinh: | anyhoo.. back to Channel 4 ... they're definitely doing something weird on their encoding end |
| [20:05:40] | justinh: | try C4+1 & see if it's any better/different |
| [20:07:02] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Someone posted a C4 sample to the users list (multiple complaints of same) and it played fine in trunk for me |
| [20:07:27] | iamlindoro: | But at least one person claimed to have tried trunk and had issues-- though I am fairly certain that person may not have actually tried trunk |
| [20:08:07] | justinh: | iamlindoro: I read that, but I figure maybe the clip is too short or is the wrong bit ;) |
| [20:08:55] | justinh: | besides, making intelligent people watch bits of Come Dine With Me... heh |
| [20:08:59] | wagnerrp: | so that morton guy actually added that 'please excuse brevity and mistakes' line himself |
| [20:09:06] | iamlindoro: | yeah, dunno, was about two minutes long |
| [20:09:09] | wagnerrp: | didnt he used to have that same line with an iphone? |
| [20:09:29] | iamlindoro: | justinh, I had the impression that it was immediate, and that you couldn't go two minutes-- but you might be right |
| [20:09:38] | justinh: | yeah, are we really supposed to excuse **stards who brag about their fancy phone? |
| [20:10:04] | justinh: | "please forgive my lack of correct grammer, spelling & punctuation. I am a retard" |
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| [20:10:35] | AndyCap: | justinh: have mailman add it? :P |
| [20:10:36] | wagnerrp: | i always figured it was some sort of self-advertisement he just forgot to take off |
| [20:10:40] | justinh: | iamlindoro: seen plenty of weird encoding issues from that channel the last couple of months |
| [20:10:52] | justinh: | even in software decoding |
| [20:11:10] | justinh: | but at least with sw decode it's still usable/watchable |
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| [20:11:28] | bjd: | I just switched to the normal profile and it's fine |
| [20:11:47] | justinh: | course it was :) |
| [20:11:59] | ** bjd slaps justinh ** | |
| [20:12:19] | justinh: | I reckon folks need a longer clip |
| [20:13:02] | justinh: | bjd: thing is, people see hardware decoding as this great solver of problems.. and it ain't all that in all cases, never will be |
| [20:13:22] | bjd: | Sure |
| [20:15:08] | wagnerrp: | bjd: justinh just has a bit of a unique perspective having already been burned by hardware decoding (Via systems) before |
| [20:15:23] | wagnerrp: | and its one a lot of older users share |
| [20:15:51] | iamlindoro: | yep, lots of people buying Hardware with the promise of hardware accelerated decode, small, cool, quiet, cheap, etc. |
| [20:15:55] | iamlindoro: | sounds familiar :) |
| [20:16:28] | wagnerrp: | hardware acceleration is great, but its not the 'final solution' |
| [20:16:47] | justinh: | in closed systems, yeah great |
| [20:16:56] | wagnerrp: | that would be mass genocide, and they tried that in the 40s |
| [20:17:00] | wagnerrp: | didnt work too well then either |
| [20:18:41] | ** wagnerrp senses godwin stirring ** | |
| [20:18:48] | justinh: | C4 could be doing mad stuff like having massive GOPs or some crap |
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| [20:22:00] | justinh: | actually, my dad's been through a few freeview STBs which gradually developed sync problems, indicating that the timestamps on streams can slip all over the place |
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| [20:37:31] | Beirdo: | sphery: gave up on the startup db check? |
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| [20:45:09] | Beirdo: | crap, sometimes I hate being downwind from a bakery |
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| [20:55:45] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Do we have to rename the chat #mythtv-food? |
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| [20:58:34] | ** kormoc blinks at GadgetWisdomGuru ** | |
| [20:59:09] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | People keep talking about food. |
| [20:59:13] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | It is making me hungry. |
| [20:59:38] | kormoc: | one person talked about a scent in the wind... |
| [20:59:39] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [20:59:44] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:01:22] | Beirdo: | there's a Seahawks game today? |
| [21:01:25] | Beirdo: | interesting |
| [21:01:49] | ** Beirdo is looking through listings to see if there's anything worth adding to the schedule ** | |
| [21:04:43] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, too many people have frontends and remote backends hitting the DB before their master backends start |
| [21:04:55] | Beirdo: | looks like ION has a Bruce Willis marathon today |
| [21:05:05] | sphery: | so until we have a single gatekeeper for the DB, we can't make it work |
| [21:05:06] | Beirdo: | sphery: yeah, understood. It's gonna cause whining |
| [21:05:27] | Beirdo: | you can put it back in after 0.24 release and we can work it out before 0.25 or something :) |
| [21:05:28] | sphery: | yeah, glad we got a chance to try it during a dev cycle and disabled it before release |
| [21:05:41] | sphery: | Yeah, once we go embedded, I'll have a "real" solution in place |
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| [21:06:16] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah |
| [21:06:26] | sphery: | quick check on mbe/dataserver startup, then housekeeping job to check it daily (ensuring no one accesses the DB during the check) and repair it if necessary |
| [21:06:55] | sphery: | I may do the housekeeping check, anyway and just log a big loud error message on detection of corruption |
| [21:07:01] | sphery: | (no repair, though) |
| [21:07:30] | Beirdo: | well, you can also make the daily happen when the frontends are idle, etc |
| [21:07:48] | Beirdo: | rather than blocking them mid-playback or something like that |
| [21:07:55] | Beirdo: | lots of possibilities |
| [21:08:10] | sphery: | anyway, it was a worthwhile exercise--now, at least, when someone comes home from a week-long vacation to find that the power went out, the DB got corrupted, and mythbackend couldn't start up, so they lost a week of recordings, we can say, "Well, there's nothing we could have done to fix it for you." :) |
| [21:08:36] | sphery: | yeah, it will only do the check when nothing else is happening (recording, playback, transcoding, commflagging, etc) |
| [21:08:49] | sphery: | and if it blocks DB access, it will only take about 2s to complete |
| [21:09:00] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [21:09:08] | Beirdo: | maybe 10s at the outside |
| [21:09:12] | sphery: | without blocking DB access, it can take minutes (which is why some people were having problems) |
| [21:09:23] | sphery: | yeah, in my very large DB, 4s when the DB is not in use |
| [21:09:47] | sphery: | (1300+ recordings, so tons of recordedseek) |
| [21:10:04] | Beirdo: | sounds good to me |
| [21:10:50] | Beirdo: | watchin Scrappers |
| [21:11:07] | sphery: | don't know that one |
| [21:11:08] | sphery: | movie? |
| [21:11:13] | Beirdo: | which reminds me that I have a rather large stack of boxes I need to break down and recycle |
| [21:11:17] | Beirdo: | nah, show on Spike |
| [21:11:26] | seagullarity: | has anybody here gotten mythtv to work with a MAudio Delta card? |
| [21:11:28] | sphery: | Documentary series set on the streets and scrap yards of Brooklyn, NY |
| [21:11:28] | Beirdo: | Brooklyn-based scrappers |
| [21:11:30] | sphery: | yeah |
| [21:11:31] | sphery: | cool |
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| [21:11:46] | Beirdo: | seagullarity: you are asking the same people you asked yesterday |
| [21:11:49] | seagullarity: | is that the documentary where a guy fishes a ring out of the sewer |
| [21:12:01] | sphery: | seagullarity: in theory, MythTV should work with any ALSA- or OSS-supported sound card |
| [21:12:01] | seagullarity: | and theres another guy who collects hub caps from side of road |
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| [21:12:16] | kormoc: | and I always try to get the rings out of the tub and into the sewer |
| [21:12:17] | Beirdo: | they are pulling boilers, etc |
| [21:12:21] | sphery: | seagullarity: therefore, it's far more likely you're having issues due to something on top of the sound card--such as PulseAudio |
| [21:12:28] | Beirdo: | and make nearly no money doin it |
| [21:12:59] | Beirdo: | and now... It's Effin Science |
| [21:13:12] | Beirdo: | too bad it's in SD |
| [21:13:32] | kormoc: | It's Effin Horrible |
| [21:13:47] | Beirdo: | it's interesting at times |
| [21:14:05] | kormoc: | I can't get over the incorrect stuff |
| [21:14:14] | sphery: | ok, so it looks like MNV doesn't do G4... Does Miro/MiroBridge? |
| [21:14:17] | Beirdo: | hehe, yeah. Mythbusters does that too |
| [21:14:28] | kormoc: | no, not quite the same |
| [21:14:31] | Beirdo: | sphery: no idea. |
| [21:14:45] | sphery: | yeah, I haven't set up MiroBridge--don't have Miro installed... |
| [21:14:53] | sphery: | If I can get G4, it might be worth it |
| [21:15:00] | kormoc: | "We've invented the world's first solar cell phone charger by buying this prepaid solar charger and plugging in a cell phone to it" |
| [21:15:02] | Beirdo: | kormoc: yeah, I know, and Mythbusters ain't pretending to be scientists :) |
| [21:16:54] | Beirdo: | gonna do multirec today |
| [21:17:12] | sphery: | doesn't seem it's doing Miro |
| [21:19:03] | sphery: | well, everything but effin science, it seems : http://www.miroguide.com/feeds/13284 |
| [21:19:10] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [21:22:42] | Beirdo: | sphery: there's a G4 app for android and iphone, apparently |
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| [21:27:09] | Beirdo: | so... |
| [21:27:12] | Beirdo: | #8801... |
| [21:27:46] | Beirdo: | with a minor tweak, seems to work well, however, it completely ignores the directory structure within the storage groups |
| [21:27:54] | Beirdo: | not sure if I care :) |
| [21:28:41] | Beirdo: | and it has zero sense of parental control |
| [21:28:43] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:29:01] | Beirdo: | so the nicely protected "porn" dir would be mixed in with the rest |
| [21:30:32] | Beirdo: | 110V of current |
| [21:30:40] | Beirdo: | umm, that's effin garbage |
| [21:30:53] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [21:31:03] | Beirdo: | and a bridge rectifier turns DC -> AC?! |
| [21:31:11] | Beirdo: | no it doesn't tards |
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| [21:32:09] | Beirdo: | kormoc: yeah, I see what you mean.. totally lame non-scientific crap :) |
| [21:32:47] | marduk: | does anyone know which "card type" in mythtv-setup i should select if i want to use the hvr 950q for analog? |
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| [21:35:51] | Beirdo: | marduk: what driver does it use? |
| [21:35:59] | sphery: | marduk: likely the V4L framegrabber |
| [21:36:10] | sphery: | meaning you're better off not using it for analog :) |
| [21:36:38] | sphery: | that based on: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr950q.html , which says, "Record analog TV shows to your PC's hard disk using our SoftPVR# MPEG-2 encoder. Analog TV recordings will typically consume 1.5 Gigabytes of disk space per hour." |
| [21:36:42] | marduk: | au8522 |
| [21:36:53] | sphery: | SoftPVR MPEG-2 encoder = CPU does all the work |
| [21:37:07] | Beirdo: | sounds like it's V4L framegrabber |
| [21:37:56] | sphery: | So, recorded League of Extraordinary Gentlemen "in HDTV 720p"... it's an SDTV (NTSC) upscale |
| [21:38:02] | Beirdo: | wow, backend startup's way faster :) |
| [21:38:04] | sphery: | stupid fox |
| [21:38:22] | sphery: | Beirdo: careful or I'll see if wagnerrp perfected that stab-over-IP |
| [21:38:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:38:51] | Beirdo: | frontend's being a pain though |
| [21:38:52] | sphery: | not my fault if people start their stuff out of order :) |
| [21:39:08] | Beirdo: | 2010-08–22 14:38:35.051 Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1263 |
| [21:39:08] | Beirdo: | 2010-08–22 14:38:51.245 Registering Internal as a media playback plugin. |
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| [21:40:39] | marduk: | ok thanks |
| [21:42:06] | sphery: | Beirdo: weird... 16s there... |
| [21:42:21] | Beirdo: | dunno why |
| [21:43:10] | sphery: | CleanupMyOldInUsePrograms(); |
| [21:43:12] | sphery: | weird... |
| [21:43:16] | sphery: | how long has that been there |
| [21:43:29] | Beirdo: | no clue |
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| [21:43:37] | Beirdo: | svn blame :) |
| [21:44:32] | sphery: | yeah, that just got put there in [7928], so it's probably related :) |
| [21:44:42] | Beirdo: | hahah] |
| [21:44:48] | Beirdo: | holy crap, that's old |
| [21:45:29] | sphery: | don't see anything in there that should take 16s |
| [21:45:42] | Beirdo: | it's weird |
| [21:45:55] | sphery: | from line 1366 (UpgradeTVDatabaseSchema()) to 1407 ( MediaMonitor::GetMediaMonitor()) |
| [21:46:05] | Beirdo: | if it keeps happening, I'll look into it |
| [21:46:10] | sphery: | wanna put some verbose around mainWindow->ResetKeys(); |
| [21:46:17] | Beirdo: | it happens occasionally |
| [21:46:22] | sphery: | would be interesting to know how long that's taking for you |
| [21:46:31] | Beirdo: | which file are you in? |
| [21:46:45] | sphery: | mythfrontend/main.cpp |
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| [21:47:47] | sphery: | takes almost no time on my system, but... |
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| [21:49:31] | Beirdo: | OK, let me try |
| [21:49:42] | Beirdo: | I put in a bunch of log points |
| [21:50:38] | Beirdo: | that time it zipped right through |
| [21:50:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:50:49] | ** kormoc doesn't like our logging ** | |
| [21:50:50] | sphery: | heh, of course |
| [21:50:59] | sphery: | what do you want from it? |
| [21:51:09] | kormoc: | logging to a table :P |
| [21:51:14] | sphery: | ah, cool |
| [21:51:27] | sphery: | yeah, we need to rewrite it so that the db logging is useful |
| [21:51:33] | sphery: | I should really disable db logging |
| [21:51:42] | sphery: | (on my system, that is) |
| [21:52:00] | kormoc: | it's a bit complex with the whole dynamic define generation stuff |
| [21:52:16] | sphery: | dynamic define generation? |
| [21:52:16] | kormoc: | rw locks, etc |
| [21:52:43] | kormoc: | it ends up entirely different function depending on the compile options |
| [21:53:17] | sphery: | the logging to the db does? |
| [21:53:22] | kormoc: | nah |
| [21:53:24] | Beirdo: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/bAPMsgzV |
| [21:53:25] | kormoc: | generic logging now |
| [21:53:28] | Beirdo: | there |
| [21:53:36] | kormoc: | was gonna try to extend it to use the db to get all the messages |
| [21:53:44] | Beirdo: | once it misbehaves, I'll be able to narrow down what took the time |
| [21:54:20] | sphery: | my 0.08s is the highest among them |
| [21:54:28] | sphery: | oh, wait, |
| [21:54:30] | sphery: | that's 1.08 |
| [21:55:35] | Beirdo: | yeah. |
| [21:56:00] | Beirdo: | but I'll leave that in place, and take a look next time it does something super-long |
| [21:56:18] | sphery: | yeah, I'm thinking it's another "db locks" thing |
| [21:56:32] | Beirdo: | could well be |
| [21:56:52] | sphery: | that function goes in and checks the keybindings for existence in the DB and whether each description for existing bindings is current |
| [21:58:08] | sphery: | without it, though, there are no key bindings after you create your initial DB |
| [21:58:13] | sphery: | you have to exit and restart mythtv-setup |
| [21:58:27] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:59:01] | sphery: | (or, with mythfrontend--which is also allowed to create an initial DB) |
| [21:59:18] | Beirdo: | right. |
| [21:59:37] | kormoc: | sphery, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ythverbose.h |
| [21:59:44] | kormoc: | sphery, that's the bit that seemed a bit... rough |
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| [22:00:37] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [22:01:11] | kormoc: | I just don't get some of the why, like the do { } while (0); that loop makes no sense to me on why it's a loop |
| [22:02:04] | sphery: | what in the world happened -> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/24839/tr . . . inwindow.cpp |
| [22:02:15] | sphery: | the only difference before and after is the InitKeys() |
| [22:02:28] | Beirdo: | kormoc: that's done so VERBOSE(blah); works |
| [22:03:02] | Beirdo: | as then the ; is on the end of the while(0) rather than a } which would cause a compile error |
| [22:03:15] | Beirdo: | it looks retarded, but it's common for C/C++ macros |
| [22:03:21] | kormoc: | yeech |
| [22:03:23] | sphery: | and then 2 new functions |
| [22:04:07] | Beirdo: | and the compiler will optimize the loopness right out anyways |
| [22:04:10] | kormoc: | I've never run into that at all, just underused macros |
| [22:04:24] | sphery: | svn annotate gets it right, though |
| [22:04:28] | sphery: | stupid trac diff |
| [22:05:28] | Beirdo: | I've also seen it done with { } (void)(0) |
| [22:07:59] | Beirdo: | wish I knew where my 4-way RF splitter disappeared to |
| [22:08:18] | sphery: | maybe it split |
| [22:08:22] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [22:09:32] | Beirdo: | and I need to buy some bins to go inside the trunk to organize stuff... think like a chest freezer. Lots of storage space, but needs organization |
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| [22:23:35] | Beirdo: | OMG, I can't believe I actually felt like cleaning a bit :) |
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| [22:32:09] | Beirdo: | wow, what a pile of boxes. sigh |
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| [22:38:59] | Beirdo: | sphery: http://www.amazon.com/DIGITAL-AMPLIFIER-INTER . . . /B001EKCGT8/ |
| [22:39:11] | Beirdo: | that should work well for OTA, no? |
| [22:41:17] | sphery: | I'm not the guy to ask... |
| [22:41:23] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:41:31] | sphery: | I have been trying to figure out the whole amp thing for a long time |
| [22:41:38] | Beirdo: | I don't really need the bidirectional bit |
| [22:41:40] | sphery: | with pre-amps and distribution amps and ... |
| [22:41:44] | sphery: | I don't get it all |
| [22:41:49] | Beirdo: | but pretty sure this should work well for me |
| [22:42:04] | Beirdo: | well, you want to amplify as close to the antenna as possible, usually |
| [22:42:19] | sphery: | right, so that would be the pre-amp, right? |
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| [22:42:39] | sphery: | but then there's distribution amps and... |
| [22:43:16] | Beirdo: | well, depends on how many loads, length of the coax cable(s), etc |
| [22:43:45] | Beirdo: | In Toronto, off analog cable, I had an amp where cable comes in... |
| [22:44:00] | Beirdo: | a LONG coax to the other side of the room (like 75ft) |
| [22:44:18] | Beirdo: | then a distribution amp (like that one) to split to 4 outputs |
| [22:44:28] | Beirdo: | and that amp... is missing... likely in PR |
| [22:44:51] | Beirdo: | the general reasoning is... I was losing about 9dB or so in the coax run |
| [22:45:18] | Beirdo: | in the end (I calculated it), I had a total of 9dB gain per output port, IIRC |
| [22:46:12] | Beirdo: | with this amp, I'd be hooking it right to my antenna, getting +7dB per port |
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| [22:46:28] | Beirdo: | which means it's a +13dB amp internally |
| [22:47:12] | sphery: | cool |
| [22:47:38] | sphery: | I currently have a single amp right next to the antenna, then a run of maybe 30 feet, then a 4-way splitter |
| [22:47:49] | Beirdo: | the amp that came with the antenna is a +9dB (followed by a -3dB in the 2-way splitter) |
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| [22:48:02] | Beirdo: | yeah, that's probably good enough |
| [22:48:22] | Beirdo: | you can calculate the losses in the cable, there's gotta be sites online for that |
| [22:48:31] | sphery: | yeah, it works for me, but has had some signal problems in the past |
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| [22:48:44] | sphery: | I was most focused on fixing the amp stuff during that period with problems |
| [22:48:47] | Beirdo: | your 4-way splitter is likely -6dB per port |
| [22:48:59] | sphery: | then it just stopped having problems, so I haven't been thinking about it too much |
| [22:49:07] | Beirdo: | so you'd want an amp that at least amplifies that much + cable losses |
| [22:49:18] | sphery: | cool |
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| [22:53:07] | Beirdo: | OK, here I am on monoprice's site... |
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| [22:53:21] | Beirdo: | need coax, but I'm sure other stuff will crop up too |
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| [23:01:00] | jaf1230: | So I recently got cable. I hooked a tv up to the wall (no STB) and got somewhere around 70 channels. I bought a HDHomeRun, and I only get around 17 channels. The HDHomeRun only supports ClearQAM/8vsb. Does the tv somehow decrypt encrypted QAM on its own? |
| [23:01:04] | sphery: | jaf1230: unless you have a cablecard tv (and you almost definitely don't) the tv isn't doing any decryption. |
| [23:01:30] | jaf1230: | Any idea why I can get more channels with the tv than with the hdhomerun, then? |
| [23:01:44] | sphery: | is this Comcast? |
| [23:01:52] | jaf1230: | Time Warner |
| [23:02:15] | jaf1230: | Also, the HDHomeRun web site's channel listing for my area code has 22–41 channels listed |
| [23:02:51] | sphery: | then I would guess you have some combination of 16-/64-/128-/256-QAM and need to scan each of them--but I'm far from a cable TV expert (I don't have cable) |
| [23:03:08] | sphery: | it's also possible that the cable co is using SCTE65 tables for channel info |
| [23:03:14] | sphery: | in which case http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Scte65scan may be helpful |
| [23:03:34] | sphery: | I know that comcast uses scte65 in a lot of places, but I'm not sure about tw |
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| [23:03:53] | jaf1230: | I saw something about scte65scan, but didn't quite understand its purpose/function. |
| [23:04:16] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, I just bought some cables on monoprice for a car charger for my bluetooth headst |
| [23:04:37] | sphery: | (and for charging it from the laptop) |
| [23:04:47] | sphery: | easier to carry a usb cable than a charger |
| [23:05:03] | sphery: | jaf1230: you use scte65scan in place of the mythtv channel scanner |
| [23:05:12] | jaf1230: | ahh, okay, thanks! |
| [23:05:22] | jaf1230: | now let's see if I can get it to compile... |
| [23:05:44] | sphery: | mythtv's scanner doesn't yet support scte65 tables, so it requires manually scanning all the different possible modulations and then manually mapping channels |
| [23:05:57] | sphery: | scte65scan just gets all the info it needs directly from the info on the cable lines |
| [23:06:06] | sphery: | all automatically |
| [23:06:14] | sphery: | that said, I have no idea how to use it |
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| [23:06:38] | sphery: | ideally someone who has scte65 tables will write support for parsing them into the mythtv channel scanner |
| [23:06:41] | Beirdo: | *** glibc detected *** /opt/mythtv/upnp-8801/bin/mythpreviewgen: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x00007f4ef8002440 *** |
| [23:06:45] | Beirdo: | urgh |
| [23:07:20] | sphery: | h.264? |
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| [23:07:24] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [23:07:41] | Beirdo: | and my laptop's gone retarded |
| [23:07:48] | sphery: | fun |
| [23:08:36] | Azelphur: | Anyone know how to get MythTV to list folders with numbers correctly, Example, "Season 1, Season 2" instead of "Season 1, Season 11, Season 12.." |
| [23:08:46] | Azelphur: | or should I just be storing things a different way |
| [23:12:33] | Beirdo: | hmmm, where's the previewgen crash ticket... |
| [23:12:48] | kormoc: | Azelphur, call them Season 01 Season 02? |
| [23:13:00] | Azelphur: | kormoc: good idea :) |
| [23:13:25] | Beirdo: | #8261 |
| [23:13:27] | Beirdo: | there it is |
| [23:13:30] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8261 |
| [23:13:33] | sphery: | too slow |
| [23:18:52] | Beirdo: | hmmm, and playback on it is funky too. starts bluescreen |
| [23:19:02] | Beirdo: | and I have to skip forward or it hangs |
| [23:19:17] | sphery: | bluescreen or death? |
| [23:19:21] | wagnerrp: | jaf1230: is it possible those are analog channels? |
| [23:19:25] | Beirdo: | seems like :) |
| [23:19:57] | sphery: | wagnerrp: always remembering the things I should have thought of |
| [23:20:16] | jaf1230: | wagnerrp, I thought everything switched to digital... also, I managed to tune some more with mythtv, but at the moment, mythtv is acting up... |
| [23:20:25] | sphery: | only OTA had to switch |
| [23:20:32] | sphery: | cable cos are allowed to do what they like |
| [23:20:42] | jaf1230: | alrighty |
| [23:20:57] | wagnerrp: | yes, when your cable company told you they were required to switch... they LIED |
| [23:20:57] | jaf1230: | I'm trying scte65scan at the moment |
| [23:21:25] | jaf1230: | I would be more surprised if I _weren't_ being lied to by Time Warner |
| [23:21:35] | wagnerrp: | anything you pick up with scte65scan should be available in a normal scan |
| [23:21:50] | jaf1230: | hm, okay then |
| [23:25:40] | wagnerrp: | ryan goat... isnt he someone who hangs out in here? |
| [23:30:52] | jaf1230: | I get this when I try to watch tv: http://pastebin.ca/1922970 |
| [23:31:30] | wagnerrp: | thats because the frontend logs when diagnosing recording issues are next to useless |
| [23:31:34] | wagnerrp: | you need to see the backend logs |
| [23:31:41] | jaf1230: | okay, how do I do so? |
| [23:32:09] | wagnerrp: | see the backend logs? you find the log file and open it |
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| [23:33:52] | jaf1230: | ah, permission denied on opening the temp file |
| [23:34:10] | wagnerrp: | temp file? |
| [23:34:35] | jaf1230: | 2010-08–22 19:15:10.365 TFW, Error: Opening file '/mnt/bigraid/tv/mythtv/1001_20100822191510.mpg'. |
| [23:34:50] | wagnerrp: | thats the recording, not a temp file |
| [23:35:06] | wagnerrp: | and it probably means your backend doesnt have file permission to write to that directory |
| [23:35:09] | jaf1230: | but isn't it a temp file, since I'm just trying to watch tv? |
| [23:35:20] | kormoc: | nope, it's a recording |
| [23:35:24] | wagnerrp: | livetv is a recording |
| [23:35:24] | jaf1230: | ok |
| [23:35:27] | wagnerrp: | just like any other recording |
| [23:35:37] | wagnerrp: | the recording starts when you open a channel |
| [23:35:39] | kormoc: | it auto-expires first and defaults to it's own group, but that's pretty much it |
| [23:35:48] | wagnerrp: | and ends when the program ends, or you change channels |
| [23:36:51] | wagnerrp: | it allows you to decide you want to record that show at any point from when you start watching the channel, until it gets auto-expired |
| [23:37:28] | wagnerrp: | the file will stick around for at least 24 hours, unless you run out of disk space |
| [23:37:43] | jaf1230: | good to know :) |
| [23:39:28] | jaf1230: | EYY! It works! Thanks for the help and info, all |
| [23:40:19] | jaf1230: | Now what's this Signal 95% | (LAMc) Partial Lock mean? Encrypted, can't wathc? |
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| [23:45:00] | high-rez: | jaf: Correct |
| [23:45:39] | high-rez: | jaf1230: What source are you using? |
| [23:46:31] | jaf1230: | Source of? My tuner is a HDHomeRun,,, |
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| [23:47:34] | high-rez: | jaf1230: Yeah, qam I assume? Basically you'll never be able to get those channels with the hdhr. I read somewhere that there's an hdhr with a builtin cable card that's supposed to be coming out – but who knows if it'll be allowed to work w/myth. |
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| [23:49:26] | high-rez: | I guess its called the prime... |
| [23:50:27] | HRearden: | anyone know if it's possible to run multiple mythbackends on the same server, as two different hostnames / ip addresses (i.e. for a clustering type approach) ? |
| [23:51:10] | wagnerrp: | multiple backends on the ... same server? why would you ever want to |
| [23:52:12] | high-rez: | hrearden: Possibly if you're using something like xen, vmware, kvm etc. I'd be surprised if it worked otherwise, if for no other reason than the upnp multicast stuff? |
| [23:52:13] | HRearden: | two machines – high availability. Want to run a master backend that is the MBE as well as connecting to two HDHRs. Then each machine would also have local devices |
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| [23:52:26] | HRearden: | such as HDPVR, local USB tuners, etc. |
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| [23:52:54] | HRearden: | Pretty sure I could do it with xen, just didn't want to do that if didn't have to. |
| [23:53:06] | wagnerrp: | still not understanding the purpose of multiple backends on the same machine |
| [23:53:30] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: I think he wants failover capability – but the perofrmance of two active machines when they're both up... |
| [23:54:13] | HRearden: | Guess I was thinking of a master backend "service" which controlled the hdhrs and could float between whichever device was still up. |
| [23:54:14] | high-rez: | Regardless, you'll still need some sort of replicated storage for it to evern work remotely right. Like DRBD... |
| [23:54:26] | HRearden: | The other slave backend services would stay on there machine. |
| [23:54:35] | HRearden: | Yes – this was going to be DRBD. |
| [23:54:42] | HRearden: | For mysql, all storage. |
| [23:54:55] | high-rez: | I'd look into LinuxHA + DRBD and pray it even works remotely right... Then if ti doesn't realize its just TV ;) |
| [23:55:27] | HRearden: | Well, I'm already setting up this cluster for other stuff in the house and thought I might as well put myth on it too |
| [23:56:22] | wagnerrp: | if any slave backend goes down, mythtv will route around it |
| [23:56:30] | wagnerrp: | if your master goes down, thats it |
| [23:56:45] | wagnerrp: | youll need some scripts to change the address of the master in the database, and restart everything |
| [23:57:01] | HRearden: | Right – which is why I want the master service to have failover. The IP wouldn't change – it would be on a virtual IP. |
| [23:57:33] | high-rez: | I think he'd just use a floating VIP wagnerrp, so that the failover machine ifconfigs the IP address of the backend when it moves over to it. |
| [23:57:45] | high-rez: | (e.g. it becomes an IP resources for the myth_master target) |
| [23:57:48] | HRearden: | right. That's how these failover things work typically. |
| [23:57:57] | wagnerrp: | i think whatever you have planned would just make things more prone to failure |
| [23:58:12] | wagnerrp: | since youre shoe horning something in in a way its not intended to work |
| [23:58:20] | high-rez: | I actually think its quite interesting, but I've done a lot of time working with veritas cluster and linuxha :) |
| [23:58:33] | HRearden: | I did this for large-scale ERP systems on HP-UX all the time |
| [23:58:35] | Azelphur: | Hmm, How do I make MythVideo pick up on m4v files? |
| [23:59:16] | wagnerrp: | no such thing as an m4v file |
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| [23:59:31] | high-rez: | I'd be inclined to say it would work, but only if you put it in a virtual machine container – since myth ewas never really designed to host two BEs on the same machine |
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| [23:59:37] | Azelphur: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4V |
| [23:59:45] | Azelphur: | wagnerrp: ^ |
| [23:59:46] | wagnerrp: | but if you want mythvideo to pick up mp4 files, with an invalid extension, make sure that extension is listed as a valid type in mythvideo |
| [23:59:58] | high-rez: | But since the master doesn't *have* to have any local tuners on it, that woudln't matter at all... |
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