Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, August 18th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

If they are happy, we'll be renting everything.

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skd5aner:

etc, so on

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I guess I'm stuck with the HDPVR1212 and the $10 box rental

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: That was [R] above, not me ;)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Over $10 now, actually

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Beirdo:

the FAA is particularly evil, I say

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: OH... yea, you're right! I forgot that's who was in that band... the motor city madman ;)

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skd5aner:

THE NUGE!

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Which time did I mix you up?

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skd5aner:

I love super bands

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Beirdo:

yup, Nuge + the guitarist from Styx

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Beirdo:

great combo

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Beirdo:

best known for ... can you take me high enough....

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: you know... I have 2 HD-PVRs, but only 1 STB because I refuse to pay $10/mo for an additional one :P

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I have one HDPVR so far

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, what do you do with the second one then?

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: dang it... I don't know all the words to that song, but now I've got that specific part stuck in my head

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Beirdo:

and two PVR250s for backup recordings from the Standard Def receivers

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Beirdo:

hhahaah

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Beirdo:

sorry

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: keep it in the box – I'll sell it to you for $300

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Beirdo:

heh

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skd5aner:

Metal balads... classic

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** Beirdo goes to buy one off amazon for $100 less **

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abqjp:

Beirdo: with HD available, how do you stand SD?

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skd5aner:

You know... I have a bunch of cards ;)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, first, I could get it for cheaper, two I'm not renting another box too

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Beirdo:

abqjp: it's for when the HDPVR is busy

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abqjp:

Doesn't answer my question :-p

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Beirdo:

and well... i didn't wanna pay DirecTV for multiple HD boxes :)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I mostly use a HDHomeRun and an HDPVR

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Beirdo:

SD is painful compared to HD, granted

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skd5aner:

2 PVR-250's, 1 PVR-500, 2 HD-5000s, 2 HDHRs, and 2 HDPVRs ;)

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Beirdo:

but I'd rather have SD than miss a show I wanted to see

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abqjp:

Directv would not charge you any more per month, but I suppose you would have that up-front cost.

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Beirdo:

yes, they do charge per month for the boxes

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skd5aner:

and, I still record about 25% of my content in SD

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Beirdo:

but yeah, no extra being HD

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Beirdo:

I think

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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abqjp:

Ah, I though the pvr cards were also hooked up to Directv.

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Beirdo:

I'll probably upgrade one or two later

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Beirdo:

they are

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Beirdo:

via SD receivers

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Beirdo:

I have 1*HD, 2*SD receivers

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skd5aner:

all PVR cards are SD

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Beirdo:

yes

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abqjp:

Right, so replace the SD receivers with HD receivers. Your monthly cost would stay the same, but you would have to pay to exchange the receivers.

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Beirdo:

exactly, I'll do it later :)

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Beirdo:

and I want an HDHR for the OTA crap too

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abqjp:

I have two HDhomeruns and two HD-PVRs.

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Beirdo:

but haven't gotten to it

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Beirdo:

of course, then I'd need an antenna too

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Beirdo:

sigh

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Beirdo:

and I'd want it on my balcony, which means running squishable coax through the door

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Beirdo:

blech

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: thanks for commiting the "Reduce to fit" option to mythgallery

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Beirdo:

no prob

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Beirdo:

was that yours or something?

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Beirdo:

I had it sitting for a while, never got to testing it

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Beirdo:

works well for me

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: not mine, just remembered it had been out there forever...

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

that it had

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: I understand entirely why it's difficult most times for devs to review patches – but it's sometimes a shame that the historical culture has been that people put time and effort into patches that take 2+ years to ever get looked at

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Beirdo:

yeah, I hear ya

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Beirdo:

we really need to get better at it

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Beirdo:

UGH!

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skd5aner:

and, even if they were good patches, many times they are so stale they basically are unusable anyway – so, that's why I thanked you – felt it was a feature that was needed, and someone gave a solution for :)

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Beirdo:

#8790 open again!?

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skd5aner:

appreciate you taking the time to do something with it

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Beirdo:

yeah, it's a very useful thing to scale properly and not to resize and make larger too

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Beirdo:

thanks.

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Beirdo:

I have big plans for mythgallery, but I don't know when I'll get to it

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skd5aner:

heh – bunch of pipe dreams around these parts ;)

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skd5aner:

s/dreams/dreamers

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Beirdo:

aye

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wh0dat:

can a .23 frontend talk to a .22 backend?

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Beirdo:

it's just a metter of when to fit things into the plans, etc

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Beirdo:

matter rather

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skd5aner:

hey, I'm a pipe dreamer too... not a bad thig

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wh0dat:

(i want to upgrade my laptop to ubuntu 10.04)

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skd5aner:

thing

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Beirdo:

wh0dat: don't think so

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skd5aner:

wh0dat: no, it can't

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wh0dat:

crap

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wh0dat:

but i want to play with 10.04 on my laptop, but dont want to upgrade the myth backend just yet

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iamlindoro:

I want a pony!

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Beirdo:

with frigging lasers!

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zzpat:

and rainbows out its arse

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zzpat:

(that'd more likely be a unicorn)

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wh0dat:

just make sure it's a backwards compatible pony.

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: elmojo's in

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Beirdo:

OK, hometime

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Beirdo:

poor mythbox

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Beirdo:

compiling with several layers more of patches now

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Big_D_271:

anyone using HuluDesktop?

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Beirdo:

GAH, UPS you idiots!

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Beirdo:

the new TV is supposed to be delivered already

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Beirdo:

it is now saying it arrived in Cerritos, CA today

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

took 2 days from Long Beach -> Cerritos!?

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[R]:

was it ground?

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Beirdo:

what, they tie it onto the back of an illegal alien and make em walk?

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Beirdo:

2-day

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[R]:

2 day is guaranteed

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[R]:

you should call and complain

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Beirdo:

amazon.com 2-day

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[R]:

assukming they ACTUALLY shipped it 2 day

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Beirdo:

whether they told UPS 2-day, dunno

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[R]:

it should show on ups' website

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Beirdo:

2nd day air

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Beirdo:

yeah, not so much

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Beirdo:

1Z787Y560226382011

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[R]:

well it says rescheduled

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[R]:

you forgot to mention that

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Beirdo:

it NOW says rescheduled

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Beirdo:

it didn't at 6pm Pacific

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Beirdo:

so they rescheduled, added 2 days

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Beirdo:

idiots

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Beirdo:

so 2-day air now = 4-day air, it seems

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[R]:

you can call amazon

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[R]:

i think thats about it

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Beirdo:

it as supposed to have been delivered by then

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Beirdo:

I can call UPS anyways

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[R]:

they'll probably say it was an act of god

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[R]:

but you dindt pay ups, so what are they gonna do?

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Beirdo:

I'd like to know what their issue is

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[R]:

they wno't tell you anything

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Beirdo:

I bet it's because Obama's here

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

i.e. they wouldn't let UPS planes into Boeing Field because Air Force One is there

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Beirdo:

and I'm not kidding

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

if so, BAH

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Beirdo:

but I'd lay a decent wager that that's precisely why it's not in Seattle today

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McNever:

hi guys... hows everyone doing today

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Beirdo:

McNever: sucky. how about you?

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McNever:

Beirdo: same here... i'm having some issues getting an hd-5500 to work under mythdora

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Beirdo:

can't help there, sorry

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McNever:

hehe... neither can i

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Beirdo:

can you get UPS to get my new TV from California to Seattle? :)

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McNever:

i can call and yell at em... but i'm guessing you've already tried that

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Beirdo:

not worth it

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McNever:

i'd say that depends on the tv ;)

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Beirdo:

I swear, they strapped it to the back of a Mexican and made em walk

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Beirdo:

Long Beach -> Cerritos... 2 days

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McNever:

cheaper than gas i guess

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Beirdo:

2-day air my BUTT

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Beirdo:

good thing I got free 2-day shipping :)

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McNever:

how long has it been?

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Beirdo:

it was supposed to arrive today

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Beirdo:

and now they say 2 more days

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Beirdo:

UPS++

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McNever:

100% over... nice

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Beirdo:

I'm seriously thinking it's because Air Force One is screwing up Boeing Field

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wagnerrp:

Big_D_271: why do you want to use huludesktop?

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Beirdo:

but they coulda moved it some yesterday

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Beirdo:

or put it on a truck :)

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Beirdo:

anyways, enough whining :)

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McNever:

i support healthcare... but making a man live with his tv... impeach for that

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Big_D_271:

because I want to watch the abililty to watch from hulu

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wagnerrp:

use mythnetvision

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Big_D_271:

oh yeah? is that in the standard myth install?

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wagnerrp:

in trunk, yes

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Beirdo:

heh,it's my second TV

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Beirdo:

for the bedroom.

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Big_D_271:

checking

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Beirdo:

oh no, iamlindoro... you are messing with themes? :)

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Beirdo:

nice

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: you see the -dev discussion of r25714?

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Big_D_271:

how do i install? btw, i'm running LinHES

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wagnerrp:

there was some talk of the GetInternetSearch

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Big_D_271:

and ps. i got an LCD! .. no more fussing with svideo :D

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wagnerrp:

apparently there will be problems with cdev's mythxml rework

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Big_D_271:

wagnerrp is there a download for the plugin?

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wagnerrp:

Big_D_271: you must be running trunk to use it

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Big_D_271:

ahh.. i see

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wagnerrp:

mythnetvision works in 0.23, but the hulu grabber only works in trunk

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Big_D_271:

so if i'm running 0.23 then I should already have it?

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wagnerrp:

depends on how linhes's packages are set up

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Big_D_271:

yeah... i'll have to wait until the wife is done watching Lost! .. ARG! lol

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Beirdo:

so... Amazon says... if it's not here tomorrow, call them, and they'll send one 1-day at no extra cost

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Beirdo:

but then of course, I'd have to refuse delivery of the other one...

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Beirdo:

it's fun being a pain in the butt sometimes

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wagnerrp:

heh... hehehe... groupname... http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-August/295129.html

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Beirdo:

heheeh

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Beirdo:

Arrrr!

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** Beirdo pokes the user in the eyepatch **

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wagnerrp:

hehe... man with suspicious umbrella walks into college dorm, swat units arrive to subdue and arrest

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Shadow__X:

hey wagnerrp you have a double wide case right

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wagnerrp:

http://www.dplanet.hu/images/termekek/112300037_big.jpg

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wagnerrp:

WOW!!

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Shadow__X:

nice were could i find those for sale i dont see those types on newegg unless i am not looking in the right spot

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wagnerrp:

robert rodriguez prezents Machete!

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wagnerrp:

he actually did it

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wagnerrp:

that was a joke movie trailer during grindhouse

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wagnerrp:

i dont think its for sale anymore

[04:15:29]

wagnerrp:

newegg has it listed as unavailable

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wagnerrp:

i think i bought mine in 2005 or 2004

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Shadow__X:

oh ok how many 3.5 drives does it fit

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wagnerrp:

heres the other one i was looking for... htttp://www.yycase.com/yy-0221.html

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wagnerrp:

but it doesnt seem to be for sale either anymore

[04:17:01]

wagnerrp:

mine is a codegen s-201

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wagnerrp:

holds 5 3.5" drives, plus an external bay for floppy

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Beirdo:

so, I put in the new ffmpeg sync janneg's working on.... no audio

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Beirdo:

sigh

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm not that...built.

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, how many drives are you looking for?

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wagnerrp:

(and 11 5.25" bays)

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wagnerrp:

you may want to look into the lian-li full size towers

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wagnerrp:

theyve got 12 3.5" bays in the bottom

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wagnerrp:

plus 5.25" bays for plenty more

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I've heard good things about the Lian-Li cases.

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wagnerrp:

tall, but only normal width

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm still using an Antec.

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high-rez:

I have a lian li tower... The one that looks like a mac case (aluminim with tons of holes drilled in it). Its fancy

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wagnerrp:

or you may want to consider one of the norco hotswap chassis

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wagnerrp:

theyve got a 3U with 16 bays or a 4U with 20 bays

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wagnerrp:

little over $300 for each

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high-rez:

$300 for a 3U with 16 bays ?

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah i saw those i know norco has 4u 11bay without hotswap for under 100

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high-rez:

Wow those things are... overly long

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: around 10 or so but i would just like to see if there were some cases with more preferable non hotswap

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kormoc:

lian li full towers are the way to go IMHO

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: those lian-li cases are almost-hotswap

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

You all continue to impress me by taking things to a level way beyond me.

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wagnerrp:

no proper caddies, but since theyre mounted sideways, its extremely simple to pop off the sides and swap out a drive

[04:22:22]

Beirdo:

this code hasn't changed since May

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Beirdo:

this doesn't make sense to me

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: seems that YY-0221 has 8 3.25", plus 2 more external and another 6 5.25"

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wagnerrp:

found my case for sale under a different name... http://circo.stores.yahoo.net/ccecser.html

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: yeah i have heard about how good lian-li cases are

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah i am taking a look at it now

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Shadow__X:

i guess at that point you can buy a lot of the 5.25 to 3.5 converters

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wagnerrp:

four of http://www.athenapower.us/products/backplane/bp_sata2131b.html

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Shadow__X:

the dedicated 80mm fan cools it down enough?

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Shadow__X:

i guess the aluminum enclosure itself helps dissipate the heat as well

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wagnerrp:

cool enough... http://pastebin.ca/1919197

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I have something like that.

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Shadow__X:

yeah thats pretty cool

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Make sure you get one with a replaceable fan.

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** Beirdo groans **

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

My fan conked out, and I had to disassemble the thing

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wagnerrp:

well thats not hard

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wagnerrp:

couple screws, and its open

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wagnerrp:

at most, you need to solder it in place, or splice it into the proper connector

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm recommending you look for one with a stock connector.

[04:33:16]

wagnerrp:

nah, i looked for the ones on sale for half price

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wagnerrp:

id much rather pay $50/unit, and have to struggle a bit with replacing fans a couple years down the line

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Beirdo:

hip hip hoooray!

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wagnerrp:

at the time i bought those, everything else on the market was $100+

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: i have to say with that double wide case you can get a large amount of drives in a case

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wagnerrp:

17

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Shadow__X:

when speccing out a psu what do you factor each drive as 8Watts max?

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wagnerrp:

nah, give it 1A@5V 2A@12V

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wagnerrp:

so 25–30W each

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Shadow__X:

oh ok that adds up quick then

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wagnerrp:

yes it does

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wagnerrp:

remember, you dont care about operational power

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wagnerrp:

the spinup is /far/ more than what it consumes during normal use

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Shadow__X:

hmm right and that initial surge of electricity is what gets you

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wagnerrp:

staggered spinup can help, but its better just to get a big PSU

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Beirdo:

probably better to do both

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Shadow__X:

right i can see that

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wagnerrp:

ive got a 650W Antec in there, and im struggling a bit on boot

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wagnerrp:

i added another two drives, and ended up having to increase the stagger

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** Beirdo does the "ffmpeg resync is borked" dance **

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Shadow__X:

i am guessing you adjust staggered start up with the hardware controller card?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

you typically need a nice raid card, or some other form of server controller, to get that sort of option

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wagnerrp:

ive not seen it on a desktop system, since they generally dont have enough hard drives for it to be a concern

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Shadow__X:

right if i grow to that size of hard drives i guess i should contemplate going with hardware raid

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

you should contemplate buying larger hard drives

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wagnerrp:

17 is too unwieldy

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Shadow__X:

hmm yeah right now i have 6 drives total 1 drive for boot and 5 drives in raid 5 but with doing full backups of my machines and archving things its starting to get filled

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wagnerrp:

buy larger drives to do full backups on

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Shadow__X:

but to use the bigger drive i would have to start swapping out drives one by one or build another array

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wagnerrp:

build another

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Shadow__X:

thats the less risky route right? to avoid all the rebuilds. although couldnt i dd the drives over to the larger ones? or would that mess up the image

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wagnerrp:

for what its worth, ive got netboot images for four machines, plus multiple snapshots, backups from two desktops, all my documents, and half a dozen VM images stored on a 320GB mirror

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Shadow__X:

thats pretty good do you compress it down?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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wagnerrp:

all that stuff just doesnt take up that much room

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waxhead_:

wagnerrp, do you use the ltsp stuff for the netboot images?

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dsl4543:

Hey all

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dsl4543:

Hello?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Yes?

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dsl4543:

I'm a MythTV noob, I was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to answer a few simple questions?

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wagnerrp:

waxhead_: no, custom rolled initrds using iscsi

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waxhead_:

ah..

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wagnerrp:

dsl4543: cant answer until you ask something

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dsl4543:

First of all, can I run MythTV in a Virtual Machine?

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wagnerrp:

yes, dont

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Can you, or should you?

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waxhead_:

I've got a netboot image but it's broken with nvidia mismatch..

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dsl4543:

Hmmm, well I want to use virtualization so I can run it inside Windows

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dsl4543:

Is that possible?

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wagnerrp:

yes, dont

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wagnerrp:

run the backend on linux

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Shadow__X:

youll have better luck using the windows client

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dsl4543:

Yes, don't? That's the answer

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wagnerrp:

if you must, you can compile and run the frontend natively under windows

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, you can access the content manually over a samba share, renamed using mythlink.pl

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dsl4543:

Okay, let's try this another way

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dsl4543:

Can I run MystTV on the same computer as Windows, in a seperate partition (i.e. Dual boot)

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dsl4543:

Would that be better than VMware

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wagnerrp:

in the same manner that you could run linux and windows dualboot

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dsl4543:

Yes, I know how ;-)

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is not its own operating system

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dsl4543:

It's not...?

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dsl4543:

What is it then?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

It's a piece of software.

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wagnerrp:

just an application designed to run under GNU/Linux

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dsl4543:

Please be more specific, I'm a technician

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dsl4543:

Ahh, I see

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dsl4543:

Under Linux

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dsl4543:

Any distro of Linux?

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wagnerrp:

so long as it can provide the necessary dependencies

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dsl4543:

Then I don't MythTV is what I'm looking for

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wagnerrp:

are you looking for DVR software to run on a dedicated server?

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dsl4543:

Let me explain, I have a TV tuner that is not support under Windows 64-bit, I want to avoid having to reinstall my OS as 32-bit just to get a card to work

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wagnerrp:

so you just want to /watch/ tv?

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Beirdo:

and #7525 just effectively disables the alphapulse completely it seems

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Shadow__X:

thanks wagnerrp and kormoc over the cases

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dsl4543:

But it's supporting under Linux

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dsl4543:

Well, yeah... but I think it would be nice to try Myst as an alternative to WMC

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kormoc:

dsl4543, before you go the VM route, does your VM software support direct PCI pass thru?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is designed as a DVR

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wagnerrp:

you cannot simply watch tv

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wagnerrp:

everything is does is recorded to disk

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dsl4543:

I believe so, most any recent VM supports PCI, doesn't it?

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kormoc:

dsl4543, I don't believe so, not direct pass thru

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dsl4543:

wagnerrp: I realize that now... that's why I said it's probably not what I'm lookinmg for

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dsl4543:

wagnerrp: I need a seperate OS to load the drivers, ok?

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wagnerrp:

what tuner card?

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dsl4543:

Do you recommend Ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

for a first-time linux user, ubuntu is usually a good choice

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dsl4543:

The Tuner card is Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-USB2

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dsl4543:

It's listed in the MythTV Wiki as supported

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dsl4543:

That's how I ended up here, long story short

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wagnerrp:

usb pass-through generally works well with VMs, but i would still advise against that

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dsl4543:

brb

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Valen:

I just added another TB worth of drive space to a storage pool, is there a utility available to balance the existing recordings across available storage?

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kormoc:

afaik, no, but you could do it by hand just fine, or just wait, it'll be used first until it's near the others

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wagnerrp:

!seen clever

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MythLogBot:

clever is here and has been idle for 2 days 22 hours 14 minutes 29 seconds

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wagnerrp:

he was working on something of that sort... havent heard anything since

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Valen:

my google foo seems to only find things talking about how it will happen evenetually

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kormoc:

there isn't much want for it, as in a few days/weeks/what not, it'll balance itself :)

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Valen:

I have a lot of really old recordings that I still want to watch

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Valen:

(like a year old on some of them)

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kormoc:

if you're just adding the storage, it doesn't matter, they'll be playable just fine

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wagnerrp:

Valen: with the default load balancing, mythtv will only record on the old drives if it is recording multiple things

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Valen:

yeah, I know how it works

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Valen:

oh well, I might hack something up or see if there is a generic file balancer around

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Valen:

I've been using myth for 4 years or so now

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wagnerrp:

well like i said, clever was writing one but i dont know if hes posted it anywhere

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kormoc:

I just honestly don't see the point, and keeping the older drives less used is always a good thing imho

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Valen:

they are newer actually

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Valen:

and google seems to indicate that drives fail mainly due to calander hours

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kormoc:

they have the older data

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Valen:

the "new" drive is chronologically older

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kormoc:

spin ups/downs do their part

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Valen:

it also helps with auto expire

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Valen:

its an edge case but ey

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Valen:

anyway, thanks for the help, If i do create something where should i post it?

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wagnerrp:

auto-expire only happens when you run out of room

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wagnerrp:

so it would only occur if you were recording multiple things, and one of them fell on the older drives

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Valen:

exactly

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wagnerrp:

if you do write something, put it in http://mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Scripts

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: so just having a machine running for months on end should do less damage that powering it on and off everyday?

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wagnerrp:

and if youre using perl or python, check out their respective bindings

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Valen:

it will autoexpire something on a full drive in order to use it, even though there is empty space on the other drive

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kormoc:

meh, if you balance it, you're taking it from a 2/2 chance of using a old drive to a 2/3 chance, not that much different over time

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kormoc:

Valen, it shouldn't

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, yeah

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Valen:

it depends on settings and such as i recall but it does happen

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wagnerrp:

Valen: if the balancer decides to record to the full drive, yes, it will expire something off the full drive to make space

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Shadow__X:

that makes me feel better about leaving my server on 24/7 although now i dont feel as good since i have it sping down from in activity

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, every time I power cycle a old server, I always expect the drives to fail

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wagnerrp:

Valen: even if there is another drive available completely empty

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Valen:

Shadow__X: google has released reports on hdd life so take a look at them

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wagnerrp:

expiration is done on a per-drive basis at the start of a recording

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kormoc:

isn't the balancing algo settable?

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wagnerrp:

and it has no bearing on the scheduler

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Valen:

wagnerrp: tell kormoc not me ;->

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kormoc:

Valen, they only apply to a 24x7 working load

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: yeah, and you could use a free-space only balancer

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wagnerrp:

such that all new recordings went to the new drive

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kormoc:

I only have one tuner, so that's why mine acts that way then

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** kormoc shrugs **

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wagnerrp:

yeah, with a single tuner, youre always recording to the most empty disk

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wagnerrp:

wootoff...

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clever:

wagnerrp: ?

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clever:

wagnerrp: ah the space balancing

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clever:

Valen: http://privatepaste.com/66de2a3dd4

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russk:

I can't find how to get a user job going on 0.22 ... I have it enabled in mythtv-setup but see no way to enable it in the schedule ... there are multiple copies of transcode ... is that a bug ?

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justinh:

user jobs are configured from mythtv-setup

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justinh:

duh of course you said that.

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justinh:

you need to restart mythbackend after changing any of the user job configs

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justinh:

there are at least 2 ways to get a job to run – on all new recordings, or just on selected ones.. or indeed from the job menu in mythfrontend for a particular recording

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russk:

ok, then when scheduling is that where I get it to run for a new recording ? I don't see it there but I see 4 checkboxes for Transcode new recordings

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justinh:

where?

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russk:

I picked a program from the guide

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russk:

and then went to postprocessing

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justinh:

yup

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russk:

hmm

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russk:

weird

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justinh:

there can only be 4 different user jobs

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russk:

can I show image on pastebin or something ?

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justinh:

you should see their name against each checkbox

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justinh:

sure

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russk:

struggling with getting an image in there ;-)

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russk:

i guess i need an imagebin

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russk:

i swear this is ok :-) : http://yfrog.com/6ljobp

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russk:

at least is was when i posted it

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russk:

still ok

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justinh:

that's not user jobs

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russk:

but it's the post processing page

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justinh:

oh wait

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justinh:

ok then you must have a dodgy theme then

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russk:

ah, that could explain it

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justinh:

on my frontend here I've got 4 tickboxes with 'run user job #1', 'run user job #2' etc

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russk:

you're right! Terra shows it

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justinh:

another reason mythcenter sucks :)

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russk:

Thanks very much justinh

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russk:

i guess i was getting too sentimental

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russk:

no more mythcenter for me :-)

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justinh:

I guess I could fix it

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russk:

no big deal, terra is better anyway

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justinh:

http://imagebin.ca/view/6uS7OmOb.html is what mine looks like. still needs some tweaking though

[08:16:17]

justinh:

the whole user job thing is going to be getting an overhaul apparently

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Jay2k1:

HEH

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Jay2k1:

oops

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russk:

i'm looking forward to 0.23 or beyond but I stick pretty much to stable on gentoo

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Jay2k1:

"transcode new re..."

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justinh:

Jay2k1: yeah yeah. like I said it still needs some tweaks

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Jay2k1:

:)

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justinh:

YOU try making a theme from scratch

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Jay2k1:

it just looks so ridiculous if there's like 10 meters of free space

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Jay2k1:

i have that on mythwelcome

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justinh:

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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Jay2k1:

and in like 1000 other places

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Jay2k1:

but on mythwelcome it looks worst

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justinh:

this is precisely why I've not released anything for ages

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Jay2k1:

i gotta take a screenshot one day

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justinh:

FWIW I couldn't care less about mythwelcome

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Jay2k1:

i didn't mean your thing in particular justinh, but we just talked like a thousand times about this issue

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Jay2k1:

i've read something on the homepage about some kind of scaling on 0.24, wondering if that has to do with this

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justinh:

yeah it bugs the hell out of me, but even more so when there's loads of space for a bigger button but they used a standard size & the text is too big for the button

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justinh:

the mythbuntu theme has a lot of that. Please Wai... – which ironically takes up more space than 'Please Wait'

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Jay2k1:

perhaps there should only be three versions – full hd, 720p hd and 1024x768 for the CRT users

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Jay2k1:

yeah

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Jay2k1:

exactly that

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Jay2k1:

we had this a few times here already and your screenshot just reminded me of that

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justinh:

I'm not using no 4:3 theme for my CRT

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Jay2k1:

so – no offense ;)

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Jay2k1:

well neither do i

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justinh:

I used to get emails from people asking me to move something a smidge

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Jay2k1:

i use such a widescreen theme which is kinda funny because it gets horizontally scaled due to the resolution and the tv scales it back due to being widescreen

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justinh:

there we go. fixed that truncated text already

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justinh:

yeah that's where I end up too. damn retarded intel driver not allowing widescreen tvout

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Jay2k1:

and damn retarded nvidia while we're at it

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Jay2k1:

i guess that's due to some PAL specifications or something

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justinh:

PAL allows anamorphic widescreen

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Jay2k1:

ah well

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justinh:

http://imagebin.ca/view/oxNJd3o.html

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justinh:

:)

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Jay2k1:

you're the man

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Jay2k1:

now can you fix mythcenter-wide plz kthx

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Jay2k1:

;)

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

it's prolly the default-wide ui file not mythcenter itself

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Jay2k1:

oh there's two things playing together?

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Jay2k1:

hmm...

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

as I suspected. default-wide

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Jay2k1:

i guess sooner or later it'll have to be a digital tv to get rid of these kinda issues

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justinh:

the button names are hard-coded as far as I know

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justinh:

Jay2k1: yeah, but IMHO flat panels are all well & good but screensize for screensize CRT kicks LCD & Plasma's butt for picture Q

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Jay2k1:

anyway, my point is, more than the named three resolutions isn't really needed, so why not focus on just making themes in three distinct versions, resolution optimized, so people can focus on designing buttons and text so it would fit

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justinh:

images on panels are definitely 'harder' & there are no PSU regulation issues which might cause contrast boundaries to wave a bit with CRT sets but... the images just look BETTER on CRT IMHO

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Jay2k1:

and do stuff manually, so stuff like "please wai..." won't occur

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justinh:

I'm testing my theme at 16:9 and 4:3 remorphed to 16:9 ;)

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Jay2k1:

well, i can't wait to see a HQ flatscreen with adaptive led backlight

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justinh:

I don't need a thin tv

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Jay2k1:

you know, that allows for darker areas where the backlight is partially dimmed so you get better blacks

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justinh:

no set of mine is ever going into a corner, and our fireplace is too high to realistically mount a telly up there

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Jay2k1:

because one issue of flatscreens is and has always been that black is grey due to the backlight

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justinh:

CRT is way more forgiving of compression artifacts

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Jay2k1:

true

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Jay2k1:

that

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justinh:

panels introduce their own kind of posterisation too

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Jay2k1:

that's the thing with digital, there's just 0 and 1

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justinh:

and the motion compensation engines in some of them just look stupid

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Jay2k1:

reminds me of when they tried to introduce DAB lol

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Jay2k1:

"...aren't you tired of all the noise in the radio when you're driving?"

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justinh:

I dunno what people are whining about with DAB

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Jay2k1:

well with DAB you'd have no sound at all lol

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justinh:

little do many people realise that the links FM radio is sent around on aren't even CD quality

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Jay2k1:

well if you listen to radio at home most of the time, digital radio will be fine

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justinh:

and loads of hifi nuts whined about how 'bad' CD was, when the BBC was sending its classical station output around the UK on a link digitised at 12 bits

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Jay2k1:

but for people who use it mainly in their car, it just doesn't make sense

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justinh:

depends where you live :)

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justinh:

if you live near civilisation, reception is great

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justinh:

huh? where the hell is the post processing menu in all this?

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justinh:

time to run it & see where it's loading it from

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justinh:

hmm mine doesn't look like yours

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justinh:

oh wait did you way you're running 0.22 ?

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Jay2k1:

well the thing with cars is that they move, sometimes away from where you live ;)

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Jay2k1:

and i guess it's not as disturbing to have some noisy reception (or switching to mono) every once in a while as dropouts would be

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justinh:

can drive 150 miles North & have nice DAB reception all the way

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justinh:

<3 my Pure Highway

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Valen:

the DAB+ they are introducing here (australia) seems to have very low bitrates

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Valen:

like 64K or so

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PaulNeth:

Anyone else having trouble using the xmltv rt grabber in the UK?

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Beirdo:

ahhh, cool breeze, how I've missed you1

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justinh:

Valen: that sort of bitrate is fine when they're not using mpeg1 layer 2 ;-)

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Valen:

even mp3 though its internet radio quality

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Valen:

that sounds pretty bad to me

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justinh:

thought DAB+ was using something mpeg4-ish

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Valen:

AAC

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justinh:

there you go. that bitrate should be fine if the encoders they're using are any good

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justinh:

won't be any worse than 128k mpeg1 layer 2 like we have here

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justinh:

wonder if DRM will ever come to something in the UK

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Valen:

and we are back in action, myth running on a dual core atom with nvidia ion lovin

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justinh:

heh somebody wanted to know if projectgrayhem would work on 0.23. MUHAHAHAHAHAHA

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justinh:

hmmm. sometimes I wish you could go back a level in the popup menus rather than cancel the whole thing

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quantum_:

I am not able to retrieve my lineup from schedules direct

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quantum_:

it used to work but does not seem to now, I check and there are lineups in my schedules direct account

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quantum_:

did something change with this on mythtv in the last several months. This used to work back when I set up the video sources but now I need to change them and can't retrieve the lineup

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quantum_:

Connecting to webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com|144.142.232.53|:80... connected. Length: unspecified [text/xml]

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quantum_:

Saving to: `STDOUT'

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quantum_:

seems like it connects o.k., but that mythtv is broken or something

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quantum_:

is anyone online?

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quantum_:

is there a way to get the frequences from schedules direct manually or something and put it into mythtv, I am guessing not though

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quantum_:

doesn't seem like the retrieve lineup from schedules direct works,

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quantum_:

has anyone else had issues with this

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quantum_:

not sure what to do since mythtv is useless without the channel frequency info from schedules direct

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quantum_:

does anyone know if the retrieve lineup still works from schedules direct

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quantum_:

doesn't seem like retrieve lineups works in mythtv. how do people use schedules direct

[13:15:30]

Twiggy2cents:

hey I decided to try fedora on my main computer and so far I seem to like it, but I ran into a snag. My server and my client use diff mythtv versions now. My server uses V. 56 and is Mythbuntu. My client uses V. 23056 and is Fedora 13. Do I have any options other than reverting back to ubuntu?

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wagnerrp:

upgrade one to 0.23.1 or downgrade the other to 0.23.0

[13:17:33]

wagnerrp:

the minor release was only a protocol bump, not a schema

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wagnerrp:

so the database will be cross compatible

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quantum_:

is retrieve lineups working for everyone? I am guessing this is something that is broken in mythtv since schedules direct seems to be up

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quantum_:

I can't do anything without the frequency table

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wagnerrp:

quantum: what tuner card?

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wagnerrp:

erm

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wagnerrp:

are you just trying to pull the list of lineups

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wagnerrp:

or are you trying to pull the channels from a lineup?

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Twiggy2cents:

okay so to update mythtv on ubuntu I would have to add a repo I'm guessing?

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wagnerrp:

no, just install 0.23.1

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Twiggy2cents:

oh I havent checked the server in forever. That is in the ubuntu repos?

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quantum_:

well I don't think it is a tuner card issue

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quantum_:

I am just doing the retrieve lineups

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quantum_:

I tried tv_grab_na_dd to retrieve the lineups and this seems to work so it seems like it must be a mythtv problem

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wagnerrp:

seems to work for me

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quantum_:

I wonder if it is just broken in my version of mythtv then

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quantum_:

looks like my version is 24829

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quantum_:

of the mythbackend

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quantum_:

does not seem to be anyway for me to upgrade at present

[13:31:13]

quantum_:

if that is the issue

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wagnerrp:

i doubt that has changed

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quantum_:

it used to work fine for me

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quantum_:

now, it just won't pull the lineups

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quantum_:

but if I query it from the other command I mentioned that seems to work, so I think that pretty much proves it is a mythtv problem

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wagnerrp:

dont know what to tell you, but it works fine for me in 0.23 and trunk

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quantum_:

could have been broken just in my version then

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quantum_:

maybe I should try downgrading

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quantum_:

can't upgrade because of some qmake thing

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quantum_:

although if they change the db that will screw things up I guess

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quantum_:

might not be able to downgrade either, plus it isn't quite clear how to

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Twiggy2cents:

hey wagnerrp when I am making the myth 0.23. Do I extract the plugins and themes to the same folder as mythtv and do the ./configure and make commands once or do I do each of them?

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wagnerrp:

no, you compile and install whats in 'mythtv'

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wagnerrp:

then you can do so in 'myththemes' or 'mythplugins'

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wagnerrp:

they will not work without the base install

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Twiggy2cents:

okay thank you

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: doubt youre actually still part of the toronto mug

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Twiggy2cents:

So I compile and install mythtv first and then continue with the other two? Also I will be upgrading from a distro release of mythtv to the latest. I dont need to do anything special just compile and install?

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wagnerrp:

you should remove your distro's packages first

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marc-us:

Howdy!

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wagnerrp:

you may also have to install dev packages with the proper compile headers to make it work

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Twiggy2cents:

okay I plan on backing up the database, but should I need to restore the database or no?

[14:37:08]

Twiggy2cents:

and will that work with a new schema

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Twiggy2cents:

what dev packages do you speak of?

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wagnerrp:

when you upgrade mythtv, run mythtv-setup and it will automatically update the database as needed

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Twiggy2cents:

so when I remove the mythtv distro release it will leave the database?

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wagnerrp:

i assume so

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Twiggy2cents:

lol okay, I hope so

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** iamlindoro wonders what is so hard about "use a supported naming scheme" **

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iamlindoro:

it's not like there aren't two dozen of them, not to mention many unsupported ones that work

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wagnerrp:

but your supported naming schemes dont read the crc or store the group name

[14:49:18]

wagnerrp:

not giving attribution? thats just not cool...

[14:49:46]

wagnerrp:

those people put in a lot of time and hard work to steal that content and commit felony distribution

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Twiggy2cents:

are you referring to my problem?

[14:50:04]

wagnerrp:

no

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Twiggy2cents:

okay I was going to say I had no clue what you were talkiing about I saw scheme and I have schema issues so I though maybe they were related or something

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: heh

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wagnerrp:

oh, i didnt notice he had replied

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iamlindoro:

In addition to his stealtagss, he has a full CRC (never mind MythVideo actually hashes it for you) that is throwing off ep detection

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-August/295129.html

[14:56:18]

wagnerrp:

i wonder if any of those types have ever had problems with CRC collisions

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albatros:

hi people

[16:25:11]

albatros:

i've a question

[16:25:56]

albatros:

are you listining?

[16:26:20]

albatros:

i hope yes

[16:26:51]

albatros:

is there any way to wath tv on the original resolution?

[16:27:17]

albatros:

each channel use its own resolution

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albatros:

i only want to avoid scaling

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albatros:

well

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albatros:

i'll try the mailing list

[16:29:33]

marc-us:

Good question.

[16:29:40]

marc-us:

I wonder that myself

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albatros:

and...

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marc-us:

I suppose the only way to do that is somehow have x change resolution on the fly

[16:30:31]

marc-us:

I don't think it can be done with the options in mythtv

[16:31:05]

albatros:

is there a way to use vlc as player

[16:31:09]

albatros:

?

[16:31:21]

wagnerrp:

no

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marc-us:

hmm.

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wagnerrp:

there is a way to get mythtv to use randr and change the output resolution dynamically

[16:32:05]

abqjp:

So, you want the TV to do the scaling instead of Myth?

[16:32:08]

wagnerrp:

but i dont know how to set it up, nor have i ever done it myself

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albatros:

abqjp, i don't want scaling

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marc-us:

Yes the tv would do a better job in some cases than trying to cpu or vdpau to handle deinterlacing

[16:33:39]

marc-us:

Especially with the newer LCD sets

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wagnerrp:

albatros: your TV will almost certainly do overscaling, regardless of what resolution you feed it

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wagnerrp:

dont expect to get 1:1 playback on content

[16:34:21]

albatros:

but....

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abqjp:

If the channel is not the native resolution of the TV, then something has to scale it.

[16:35:05]

albatros:

i want to see less pixels

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wagnerrp:

if the channel /is/ the native resolution of the TV, its still going to do scaling anyawy

[16:35:35]

albatros:

i don't like the scaling result and my tv is not too far

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marc-us:

The reason I'm somewhat interested too is because I still get some slight jitter from time to time while watching 1080i on my 55" 1080P LCD

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albatros:

i think... less pixels ==> better quality (not the same that perfect 1:1 quality)

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abqjp:

What kind of TV do you have? Your only hope of having less/larger pixels, is if the TV is analog (CRT).

[16:36:25]

wagnerrp:

less pixels is BETTER quality? im not understanding

[16:36:39]

albatros:

1360x768

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: perhaps his assertion is that the TV can do better upscaling than MythTV and the video card.

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albatros:

too much for dvb

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marc-us:

watching 480i on a big screen is never going to look as sharp as 720p or 1080i content.

[16:37:29]

marc-us:

exactly wagnerrp

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albatros:

i prefer quality to size

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albatros:

but... size matters :)

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itscrimetime:

lol

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marc-us:

it's bandWIDTH

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itscrimetime:

i run a 32" 1080i lol

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marc-us:

;)

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dustybin:

i run a 24" CRT

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albatros:

in vlc you can turn off video==>scale

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dustybin:

SD + CRT = win

[16:39:19]

albatros:

the quality improves and the size decrease

[16:39:26]

albatros:

sorry for the english

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marc-us:

so you say you wish to watch the content as a smaller area surrounded by a huge black border?

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albatros:

i hope you understand

[16:39:41]

albatros:

exactly

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marc-us:

AH!

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albatros:

could i??

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marc-us:

I've never done this but I think so.

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albatros:

but

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marc-us:

This may be one of the option settings

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albatros:

think i want the video area is dynamic

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albatros:

it will depend on the channel native resolution

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albatros:

perhaps randr

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albatros:

as wagnerrp said

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has had support for using randr to change the output resolution to that of the video for several years

[16:44:12]

wagnerrp:

but i can only find passing mention of it

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wagnerrp:

not actually how to get it working

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albatros:

perhaps no one using it

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albatros:

i must be a rare person

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wagnerrp:

what output renderer are you currently using?

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albatros:

i don't know

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wagnerrp:

the default is to use Xv

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wagnerrp:

you may want to try opengl or vdpau (if available) to see if they offer better quality

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albatros:

is i

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albatros:

sorry it was an error

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albatros:

better quality but full screen, isn't it?

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wagnerrp:

yes, it will automatically scale the video to as large as it can without clipping

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albatros:

i think i'll must wait for hd dvb in spain... 10 years at most

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wagnerrp:

you actually want to keep it as a little box of video in the center of the screen?

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albatros:

yes

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albatros:

as little as the native broadcasting is

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wagnerrp:

ive never heard of anyone actually not wanting it to fill the screen before

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albatros:

think vlc does it

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albatros:

turn of video==>scale

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albatros:

less size, better quality

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albatros:

i use to see recordes tennis matches in the original resolution

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wagnerrp:

its not really better quality, its just tiny so you cant see the lack of video data

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albatros:

no invented pixels

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wagnerrp:

not invented, interpolated

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albatros:

sorry

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albatros:

i'm not an expert

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quantum_:

I am trying to updatemytv to the lastest version in svn but I need some qt4.5, which I assume means I need to install qt-devel, but it is complaining:Missing Dependency: libQtScriptTools.so.4()(64bit) is needed by package 1:qt-devel-4.5.3–9.fc10.x86_64 (qt-devel-4.5.3–9.fc10.x86_64.rpm)

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albatros:

but i think information is computed in some way to fill the screen

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quantum_:

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but i dont know what algorithm is used

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quantum_:

does anyone know what the heck libQtScriptTools is

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quantum_:

does't seem to exist

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wagnerrp:

whether its really just a linear interp, or something higher order

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albatros:

but the best algorithm is not to need an algorithm (using the native resolution)

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wagnerrp:

but then youre stuck with that tiny little box of video in the center of your screen

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wagnerrp:

like i said, ive never heard of anyone before who actually wanted that

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albatros:

i prefer that

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albatros:

sometimes

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albatros:

as i said before... i'm a little rare

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wagnerrp:

xris: do you know if theres an option to turn off scaling entirely?

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albatros:

i didn't found that option

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wagnerrp:

you can run the X11 or XSHM video renderers, but thats hardly an advisable solution

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wagnerrp:

neither of those support scaling

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will not actually do software scaling

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wagnerrp:

it only supports it in modes that will do that in hardware

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albatros:

and... who does it?

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wagnerrp:

hardware

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albatros:

video card?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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albatros:

mine must not be good

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albatros:

thank you

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albatros:

now i know something more

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albatros:

less time to loose

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albatros:

thank you again and... bye

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

new TV delivered.. 9:45am today

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Beirdo:

once the illegal mexicans walked it from Long Beach to Ontario Airport, it got here pretty quickly

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Beirdo:

stupid UPS :)

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dserban:

I'm running myhtv 23.1 and after I add 10 drives to my storage group status shows total disk free as 320g's it's waaay more than that, I'm wondering if it's cosmetic or will myth start auto expiring because it thinks it's out of space?

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iamlindoro:

dserban: cosmetic

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iamlindoro:

as soon as there is even one file in there, the calculation will right itself

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dserban:

ah perfect, thanks.

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iamlindoro:

because it's cosmetic, it's not ever become a huge priority, but it is on certain people's radar

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dserban:

Ok fair enough, not a big deal really. As long as it works like you say it should :)

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wagnerrp:

dserban: the display tries to predict which folders are on the same hard drive

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wagnerrp:

and it does so using listed total and free space

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wagnerrp:

(or maybe used space)

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dserban:

Listed total from what? mount/df/du?

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Captain_Murdoch:

dserban, to test, you can just create a 1MB file on one drive, a 2M on the next, 3M on the next, etc. and you should see it work itself out since they'll all look different.

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Captain_Murdoch:

might need 2,4,6,8,etc. I think we allow a 1MB slop now that NFS can use 1MB block sizes

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dserban:

Aye, I understand now, they look similar so it assumes they're the same place.

[18:16:10]

Captain_Murdoch:

yes

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dserban:

mount would fix that wouldn't it?

[18:16:30]

Captain_Murdoch:

it uses total and free space to try to determine what directories are on the same drive

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dserban:

:o

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dserban:

Ok, no problem then.

[18:17:10]

Beirdo:

every time this comes up my brain says "there MUST be a better way"

[18:17:14]

Captain_Murdoch:

since you can have multiple storage groups on the same filesystem and for remote fiel shares we have no clue how they're configured (ie, multiple shares on one disk or single share on each disk, etc.)

[18:17:18]

Beirdo:

but I can never come up with one ;)

[18:17:39]

kormoc:

Require direct device access, skip the filesystem layer!

[18:18:01]

dserban:

Heh, that'd be silly though... oh. No it wouldn't. I get it.

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** Beirdo thinks kormoc is in a fine mood today :) **

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Captain_Murdoch:

Beirdo, it's the flexibilty that makes it hard. we need to handle local (linux, windows, OSX, etc.) and remote (CIFS, NFS, etc)

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Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, you add too many wrinkles, and it gets unwieldly really fast

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kormoc:

Beirdo, I have a tad over 500 gigs of svn repos I've been fixing for the past three days.... I'll be in a mood until I get a good amount of sleep :P

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Beirdo:

kormoc: that would do it :)

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Beirdo:

have some more coffee, just in case :)

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** kormoc twitches **

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Captain_Murdoch:

best way would be for us to create lockfiles or random-sized files to help our total/free calculations, but that's a bunch of logic requiring master to talk to slaves, etc.. easier for master just to say "what can you see" and then run a quick routine to compare total/free numbers.

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wagnerrp:

500... GB??

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Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, I hear ya

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** wagnerrp loves when firefox is hosed up, and he can type several seconds before the computer starts to catch up **

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, yes

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, with corrupt revisions in the middle, which makes recovery very... fun

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kormoc:

but I think I have it mostly done

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Beirdo:

kormoc: glad it's you, not me.

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kormoc:

I'm just glad it's svn, it's easy to do what I need to do :)

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Beirdo:

oh look, it was nutron.... where's those patches to the perl bindings, eh?

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kormoc:

attempting to change history in git seems rather... difficult

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Beirdo:

heh, I woulda said "challenging"

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Beirdo:

but yeah, certainly not fun

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kormoc:

I'm also unsure how to re-create lost history in git

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Beirdo:

very very carefully ;)

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Beirdo:

it's documented out there though

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Beirdo:

depends on how lost lost is though

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kormoc:

well, I mean even how to calculate it as there isn't any authoritative order to the revisions is there?

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Beirdo:

nope, it's a tree

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Beirdo:

but there is the parent, etc.

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kormoc:

yeah... I recreated entirely lost revisions by delta calculations, but that requires a very very strict ordering, just don't see how you can do that in git

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Beirdo:

hmmm, yeah, there's gotta be a way, but I dunno

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kormoc:

Heh, this is why I stick with things I know well, disaster recovery is better when you know how to do it before it's a disaster :)

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kormoc:

ext3 works for me! svn works for me! :)

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Beirdo:

well, the one nice thing with git... if you have someone pulling from the "official repo", their repo contains everything the "official" one does

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kormoc:

Yay! 500 gigabyte checkouts! :)

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Beirdo:

so you can essentially make a backup, and destroy your backup trying to fix stuff

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Beirdo:

no, they do pack well :)

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Beirdo:

Linus isn't THAT stupid

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kormoc:

binary compressed files don't :P

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kormoc:

which is why our repo is so huge

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Beirdo:

ah

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Beirdo:

but... git does do binary diffs

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Beirdo:

although on compressed binary, that may not do much good :)

[18:31:11]

wagnerrp:

here we go

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janneg:

but only up to a certain size

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Beirdo:

janneg: ah, yeah true :0

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wagnerrp:

http://thedigitalmediazone.com/2010/08/15/cab . . . ree-content/

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Beirdo:

git definitely has some downfalls, but so does svn :)

[18:32:11]

wagnerrp:

mentions at the bottom Ceton is working with MythTV to bring cablecard to linux

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: yeah, it was posted a day or two ago :)

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Beirdo:

oooh

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wagnerrp:

did they get Ceton and SiliconDust mixed up?

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Beirdo:

likely

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kormoc:

Is Jeremy Hammer of Ceton or SiliconDust?

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Beirdo:

nose.

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Beirdo:

no se. even

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Beirdo:

I wanna go home and play with my new TV

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

ceton

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Ceton.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Nice guy

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kormoc:

welp, here's hoping he talked to someone about it

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wagnerrp:

looks like its a family business

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wagnerrp:

four Hammers working in high level positions

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

He talked to me. But that was casually.

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** kormoc blinks **

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janneg:

ceton was at least in contact with mythtv developers

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kormoc:

cool

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

He told me the developers there all use Linux. This was a few months ago

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bjd:

blah, i should be able to output to my TV using DVI->Component?

[18:38:06]

bjd:

DVI-I even

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kormoc:

is that a statement or a question?

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bjd:

question

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wagnerrp:

its wrong, thats what it is

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wagnerrp:

VGA != consumer component video

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wagnerrp:

DVI-I can contain a VGA signal

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wagnerrp:

but it cannot be used to push a component display

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Beirdo:

you'd need an expensive conversion box to do that

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bjd:

Ah

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bjd:

so maybe worth my while looking at a HDMI->Compoent cable?

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wagnerrp:

now that one is even more mind boggling

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wagnerrp:

link?

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Beirdo:

same thing

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sphery:

perhaps what you need is a new TV? :)

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bjd:

i'm just trying to figure the best way to hook up a pc to a tv, i've got a card with vga,dvi,hdmi

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I can make you a cable like that! Just won't always work (for large values of always)

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wagnerrp:

hehe

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Beirdo:

black should work well though

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Beirdo:

bjd and the TV has?

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wagnerrp:

i was going to say you get the 'Ants' channel great

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bjd:

tv has vga,component & hdmi

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wagnerrp:

so use HDMI

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Beirdo:

then use hdmi

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Beirdo:

failing that, use VGA

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bjd:

but then I have issues with sound :)

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wagnerrp:

what issues?

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Beirdo:

tough noogies :)

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bjd:

i have spdif headers on the mobo and i can't get the passthru working on the nvidia card

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kormoc:

so just pump the audio via another input?

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Beirdo:

OMG, #8790 was set as "blocker" by the luser

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wagnerrp:

does the card actually have spdif headers? or are you pumping an spdif signal into some random pins on the video card?

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kormoc:

"Well, one pin was on the right side and one on the left, so I had to cut the cable and solder them onto the board..."

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Beirdo:

hehe

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bjd:

wagnerrp: it's specially for audio

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wagnerrp:

so just run the audio independently

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bjd:

but the audio is meant to be carried over hdmi

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bjd:

which i can't suss out

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

so you're saying you have *no* other audio then HDMI?

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bjd:

nah, i have other audio but if the tv takes input from HDMI it's not going to accept audio from another source is it?

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wagnerrp:

sure it will if there is no audio signal over HDMI

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kormoc:

mine does

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: #7745, raw/dcraw....

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kormoc:

I use HDMI + 3.5mm audio jack

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wagnerrp:

you may have to patch your EDID block to make your video card not send an audio signal

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: are there any new external requirements, or is everything required distributed with myth

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wagnerrp:

mine wouldnt let me use alternate audio if it thought it was getting something over hdmi

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: there is an external requirement

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Beirdo:

if you want to use that, you need dcraw installed

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Beirdo:

it's only put out as a binary (no source available)

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skd5aner:

ok, that's what I thought – wanted to represent it correctly, thanks

[18:51:32]

Beirdo:

if you don't have dcraw installed, it will disable RAW support in the configure

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Beirdo:

no problemo. Thanks for working the changelog, we are certainly keeping you busy :)

[18:52:46]

Twiggy2cents:

is it possible to enable two audio outputs by chance? Say spdif and the hdmi audio out?

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wagnerrp:

you can work some ALSA voodoo to do so

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wagnerrp:

but mythtv does not support that internally

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high-rez:

*blink*

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Twiggy2cents:

so you would set mythtv to alsa default and then set it up with alsa?

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high-rez:

I'm confused as to why he can't just pass the audio over hdmi and be done with it? :0

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wagnerrp:

high-rez: because he cant get it working

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: I think that's code for he needs to try plughw:0,3 or something like that to make it work.

[18:54:28]

high-rez:

:)

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wagnerrp:

high-rez: that node may change depending on the hardware

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high-rez:

3,7 or something of that nature ;

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high-rez:

:)

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wagnerrp:

also, you are probably thinking of specific boards with 8/9 series chips onboard

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wagnerrp:

passing audio directly through to the hdmi output

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wagnerrp:

he is routing it through spdif

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wagnerrp:

so he should be setting it up as if he were using spdif, not hdmi

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bjd:

this is a card, no onboard

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Spam_blacklist

[19:00:26]

wagnerrp:

what exactly is a 'gayhome', and why does it have a .net address?

[19:01:24]

Azelphur:

hmm, I'm having a problem with mythfrontend on my netbook, when I play back video the playback window is transparent so I just see my wallpaper behind it, I hear audio and can press escape to return to MythTV

[19:01:40]

Azelphur:

or if I turn off compiz instead of transparency I get a black screen

[19:02:32]

bjd:

anyway thanks chaps, hdmi/3.5 jack is working now :D

[19:02:58]

** Beirdo is SO tempted to get an HDHomerun dual duner. **

[19:03:07]

wagnerrp:

you should get a triple tuner

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Beirdo:

heh

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skd5aner:

well, they do sell the single tuner version now too

[19:03:28]

Beirdo:

I should get my fingers to do what I want

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Beirdo:

nah, dual's fine

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skd5aner:

that sounds... uh, perverted

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Beirdo:

both would be on an antenna I don't have yet

[19:04:29]

Beirdo:

oooh, see price in cart.

[19:04:32]

Beirdo:

this is a good thing

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Beirdo:

and for $5.99 shipping, I'd get it today

[19:05:13]

Beirdo:

if I order within 1hr 24min :)

[19:05:22]

Beirdo:

Local Express.

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Beirdo:

click. done.

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high-rez:

Beirdo: Do you have an HDHR now ?

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high-rez:

I love mine.

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stefan_:

Hi! Im using sasc-ng with mythtv but have run into some problems. dvbloopback compiles and loads fine, sasc-ng starts up(i use myth specific parameters) it connects to newcamd with the virtual adapter. Here is where my problems begin, myth doesnt recognize the adapter /dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend1. myth is working with the real adapter. "Could not get card info for card '/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend1'. I've spent several hour

[19:19:03]

stefan_:

s with google with poor results.

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iamlindoro:

stefan_: We do not provide any support for softcams here, nor may you speak about it in our channels

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wagnerrp:

not welcome in this channel

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iamlindoro:

Please se the channel FAQ in the topic

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Twiggy2cents:

what is softcams?

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to hardcams

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wagnerrp:

conditional access modules built into tuner cards

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Twiggy2cents:

man that is jibberish to me.

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iamlindoro:

That's fine

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Twiggy2cents:

lol

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iamlindoro:

we're not here to informa about offlimits topics either

[19:23:49]

Twiggy2cents:

okay. Is it not legal?

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wagnerrp:

in most places, no

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iamlindoro:

Let's just say it's illegal in the country where MythTV's primary devs live, and leave it at that

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Twiggy2cents:

Okay thats fine. I was just wondering. If I get some time I will do some research on what it is

[19:24:26]

Twiggy2cents:

Thank you though

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iamlindoro:

s/where MythTV's/some of MythTVs/

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skd5aner:

anyone willing to take a stab at explaining the impact of r25697?

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iamlindoro:

It will display VBI captions whether they exist or not, rather than needlessly preventing their selection because the user has a TV format configured that is not that of the capture

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iamlindoro:

that is, it will display them regardless of the region

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iamlindoro:

I don't know what I was trying to say with "exist or not"

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iamlindoro:

fingers working independently of brain again

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iamlindoro:

oh, must have meant "whenever they exist"

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: thank you

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iamlindoro:

np

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skd5aner:

that makes sense in the context of what Mark was saying

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/18/energy_idiocy_survey/ <-- and it even mentions the idiocy of the "Unplug your cell phone chargers" campaign

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bjd:

wagnerrp: i think i've come across this on my other tv:

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bjd:

http://support-us.samsung.com/cyber/popup/ifr . . . BK7WG8CgMG14

[19:35:08]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Analog_Sound_DVI_to_HDMI

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natanojl:

Beirdo: fwiw, the source to dcraw is available from the author's homepage at http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw. You can even distribute it under GPL v2 or later

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, saw that a couple days ago

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bjd:

thanks

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bjd:

wagnerrp: spot on, thanks again

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Beirdo:

natanojl: Ahhh, wasn't aware. But nevertheless... it works for now :)

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Beirdo:

natanojl: yeah, but he's still library-challenged... or rather library-adverse

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Beirdo:

"library code is ugly because it cannot use global variables"

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Beirdo:

ummm, stop using global variables, dork!

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natanojl:

Beirdo: I sure will try it some day soon

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natanojl:

:)

[19:56:32]

Beirdo:

aka "doing things the right way is bad because it conflicts with my bad coding habits"

[19:56:45]

Beirdo:

anyways, it does work :)

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: found the car for you... http://jalopnik.com/5615869

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kormoc:

nice

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natanojl:

I looked at the source a bit, and it wasn't easy to read in my opinion

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Beirdo:

http://www.amazon.com/Terk-Amplified-High-Def . . . /B0007MXZB2/

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Beirdo:

hmmm, wonder if that's a reasonable one

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: hehe, #r25709... RIP VCD ;)

[19:59:34]

Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

if anyone complains, I can reimplement if we NEED to

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skd5aner:

I had a roomate back in the day that ripped everything to VCD – I don't think I ever had a single time I ever used it myself

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Beirdo:

I used to use DVCD

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skd5aner:

circa 2000

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Azelphur:

Anyone know why when I try to play video in MythTV all I get is transparency so I can see the desktop? :(

[20:00:22]

Beirdo:

as for analog TV shows, that gives ~ VHS quality, and is compatible with DVDs for playback

[20:00:34]

Beirdo:

so I'd stuff a DVD-R full of them with a menu

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Beirdo:

DVCD = VCD with 48kHz sampling instead of 44.1kHz... fitting into the DVD spec.

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: I actually wrote those files, I have no regrets blowing em away :)

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wagnerrp:

cablecard didnt exist in 2003 did it?

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iamlindoro:

Not TTBOMK

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iamlindoro:

at least, not as a consumer product

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dustybin:

does american tv suffer from too much reality tv?

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sphery:

IMHO, yes (though, in my world any reality tv is too much :)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: "The first test tool to verify compliance of the CableCARD devices with the OpenCable specifications, HTTX, released by Digital Keystone, was first utilized by CableLabs to validate the Scientific Atlanta (CISCO) and Motorola CableCard devices in 2006[7]."

[20:05:31]

iamlindoro:

per wikipedia

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Beirdo:

they should put all "reality" TV on one channel... and call it "SuckyTV"

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marc-us:

supposedly according to the wiki, cable cards first became available from third party firms in august 2004

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marc-us:

the feds started forcing cable companies to use cable cards in the boxes from mid 2007 forward

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marc-us:

Wiki CableCard. (Which may be factual or not)

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Beirdo:

so tonight... new TV, vaapi testing... HDHomerun

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iamlindoro:

sounds about right

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Beirdo:

I think I'll be a busy boy

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wagnerrp:

i was commenting earlier about how we have 18k registered users, i wonder how many have ever made an edit

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marc-us:

What I hate is that my cable company scrambles ALL content. Including non-premium. The only thing that works on QAM is local channels which I can easiy get OTA

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wagnerrp:

i dare say less than half

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Beirdo:

edit?

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wagnerrp:

wiki users

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

I thought you meant in the frontend. :)

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Beirdo:

which is why I was confusled

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marc-us:

I did once

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marc-us:

And that act continues to haunt me ;)

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wagnerrp:

i mean we average like 2.5 edits per registered account

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sphery:

Beirdo: oh, yeah, I forgot about that project... thanks for reminding stuarta :)

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sphery:

I want mine :)

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wagnerrp:

for example, the first 50 users on the creation list, 24 have made an edit

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

the mask stuff?

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Beirdo:

who knows how long it will take

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Beirdo:

yeah

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sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

second page (also 24)

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wagnerrp:

only 23, but weve got three user pages and a talk page

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Beirdo:

mmmm, talk.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Hmm...I should finish that wiki page I started

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wagnerrp:

seems pretty consistent

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wagnerrp:

less than half the users who create an account make an edit

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wagnerrp:

the creation log only goes back to Oct 09?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I've made plenty of edits.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I've only created one new page

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russk:

on 0.22, I don't see how to re-run a user job on a previously recorded program. Any clues? I'm using the Terra theme.

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: elmojo's in the house...

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wagnerrp:

russk: run it again, same way you ran it the first time

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russk:

wagnerrp, first time was automatic according to the schedule options

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wagnerrp:

'm' --> 'job options'

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elmojo:

skd5aner: I'm guess you are wondering about the reordered_opaque timestamp checkins – it's only being used for a very limited case right now (missing dts timestamps) – a future commit will enable it to be the preferred timestamp method

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Beirdo:

ah, that was the one :)

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russk:

wagnerrp, I don't get 'job options' from the m menu on the "Previously Recorded" screen ... should I be on a different page ?

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wagnerrp:

'watch recordings'

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wagnerrp:

'previously recorded' is ALL previous recordings

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wagnerrp:

deleted or not

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wagnerrp:

cant very well run a user job on a deleted or expired recording

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Beirdo:

oooh, including your recorded pr0n. Must remember to sanitize...

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russk:

from there I get "change group filter", change group view, change group password, add this recording to ..., Help

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Beirdo:

(just kidding)

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wagnerrp:

maybe thats in the 'i' menu

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russk:

bingo, thanks!

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russk:

This forum is awesome !!!! ;-)

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Beirdo:

forum?

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** Beirdo runs away. **

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russk:

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+a+forum

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** russk runs away too **

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marc-us:

and he ran, he rans so far away. But, he could'nt get away.

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marc-us:

woah, what happened to my hair?

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Beirdo:

I shaved it off

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marc-us:

Well, put it to good use like in time delay ordinance

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Beirdo:

argh, now that song's in my head

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Beirdo:

*grumble*

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marc-us:

Remember shoes for industry

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russk:

not just a bad hair day ?

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marc-us:

anyone remember firesign theatre?

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** Beirdo cues some contemporary music... Metallica – Master of Puppets **

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Beirdo:

that should remove 80s cheesy pop for now :)

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marc-us:

A funny thing happened on the way to the forum...

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russk:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2 . . . 31128AAsIRCK

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marc-us:

So,what am I to do, my wife keeps killing the front end session over using the guide while watching live tv. Think removing the pip of video would help?

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russk:

i won't ask if she has pretty hair

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marc-us:

It happens much less frequently since I started using a dedicated ION box for the living room only running the front end

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russk:

maybe /me should leave now

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marc-us:

That could be it! But I can almost buy all the parts I need for another front end with the money she would blow on a trip to the salon.

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Beirdo:

marc-us: don't say that too loudly, she might hear

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marc-us:

back soon. I need to raid the vending machine for bubbly sugar water

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skd5aner:

MASTER

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skd5aner:

MASTER

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skd5aner:

quit getting songs stuck in my head Beirdo

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russk:

thanks again, bye

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Beirdo:

it's playing right now :)

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Beirdo:

Mmmmm :)

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Beirdo:

i really do love the guitar work

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Beirdo:

not much like 80s metal to get my blood flowing :)

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Beirdo:

hmm, stuarta's an IPv6er too, eh?

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bjd:

wagnerrp: any idea what causes static when using the 3.5mm jack?

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trumee:

is tv_grab_uk_rt broken for radiotimes?

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trumee:

it doesnt fetch any epg.

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wagnerrp:

cheap sound card

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bjd:

it's just onboard

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marc-us:

static when the cord is moved?

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bjd:

static permanently

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marc-us:

or rotated in the socket?

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bjd:

it's quiet tho

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marc-us:

Oh, could be grounding.

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wagnerrp:

everything is static? or you hear static in the background of normal audio?

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marc-us:

the jack may not be fitting properly

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marc-us:

Static may also be from what you pluged it into.

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bjd:

i only get static when ubuntu has booted which is odd :p

[21:14:45]

marc-us:

The gadget may have a lamp which is flickering if it is an older amp

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marc-us:

Oh, well that makes it sound like the audio card line input is active without a load

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marc-us:

try muting the line in

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marc-us:

in alsamixer

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marc-us:

also make sure the mic and mic boost is muted

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skd5aner:

r25715 – what exactly is the "alphapulse" effect?

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: a pulsing animation at 70Hz

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wagnerrp:

with 70Hz pulse, and 60Hz refresh, there is a CPU load bug

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skd5aner:

ok

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skd5aner:

I think I know the effect, it's used in a few of iamlindoro's themes

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skd5aner:

thx

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Beirdo:

yes it is

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Beirdo:

it looks pretty

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Beirdo:

and hogs my CPU :)

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skd5aner:

hey, I've seen an issue with mythweb for years, and I've alawys just shrugged it off, but can anyone else confirm it (maybe there's even a ticket already open)

[21:21:18]

skd5aner:

go the main mythweb page...

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skd5aner:

enter phrase in search box, whatever – mythbusters

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skd5aner:

hit enter...

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skd5aner:

nothing returns

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skd5aner:

if I "Click" search... then stuff returns

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kormoc:

I think we eat enters to prevent folks accidentally searching

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kormoc:

but I'd need to check the source to confirm, or bug xris

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skd5aner:

kormoc: would it make sense either way for me to file a bug report?

[21:23:29]

skd5aner:

it's happened for years and many revisions

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skd5aner:

I just always knew to click search to work around it

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kormoc:

we did it on purpose way back when

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kormoc:

I'd say don't bother with a ticket

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skd5aner:

ahhh, but I don't get to submit /that/ many ;)

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kormoc:

but if you wanted to write up a patch to disable the eat enter on say typing in the field, that'd be nice

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skd5aner:

s/get//

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skd5aner:

s/get to//

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sphery:

Hmmm, from the -users list, somone is asking about a "Combined Atom FE/BE"... Would that be some sort of Iron-Beryllium molecule? Didn't even know that was chemically possible.

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skd5aner:

kormoc: and I already had most of it typed up... just wanted a confirmation that someone else could reproduce, would you be upset if I submitted?

[21:26:03]

skd5aner:

at least for tracking purposes?

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marc-us:

good evening to you all. Thanks for the fun.

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skd5aner:

what is with the funky upstream revision numbers for libbluray? 178aa69fb832fc7a3e7878c47f0f13e94bb9534a...just created in some random hex generator?

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Beirdo:

git

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Beirdo:

get used to it :)

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skd5aner:

so, I guess the answer is "yes" then

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Beirdo:

it's an SHA1

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skd5aner:

so how does hashing revisions make since? Not trying to start a fight, I'm just curious

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skd5aner:

I'm sure there's some good logic behind it

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Beirdo:

ask Linus :)

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skd5aner:

no thanks

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skd5aner:

;)

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skd5aner:

I just take that as a "because he wants it that way"

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Beirdo:

I'm sure there IS a good reason

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Beirdo:

and I'm sure it's even documented somewhere

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Beirdo:

but I dunno offhand

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skd5aner:

just would be nice for a human to be able to make some logical notion of progress based on release numbers, but I know that's debatable in and of itself

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Beirdo:

that doesn't make sense in git

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Beirdo:

or any other distributed version control system

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Beirdo:

there is no single path that you can say is "the path"

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skd5aner:

fair enough – I honestly know 0 about git

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skd5aner:

well, lets saying I know 2 ;)

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skd5aner:

as in %

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kormoc:

skd5aner, so you know d4735e3a265e16eee03f59718b9b5d03019c07d8b6c51f90da3a666eec13ab35

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kormoc:

"The Git history is stored in such a way that the name of a particular revision (a "commit" in Git terms) depends upon the complete development history leading up to that commit. Once it is published, it is not possible to change the old versions without it being noticed"

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kormoc:

welp, that's why

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kormoc:

it's so you can't layer commits incorrectly

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Twiggy2cents:

hey wagnerrp you in here? I was talking to you earlier about schema mismatches between fedora and mythbuntu. You said to update to the latest mythtv. Well they are both running 0.23.

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kormoc:

Twiggy2cents, there's a 0.23 and a 0.23.1

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Twiggy2cents:

The mythbuntu one is running the mythtv from the live cd and the fedora one is 0.23.1–236.fc13

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Twiggy2cents:

oh

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Twiggy2cents:

so is the one on mythtv.org 0.23.1?

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Twiggy2cents:

nvm. Silly question. I will just look myself ';)

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Wicked:

would 0.23.1 be -fixes?

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Twiggy2cents:

my mythbuntu is 0.23-fixes and it doesnt jive with 0.23.1 so I dont think so

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Wicked:

hmm

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tgm4883:

IIRC 0.23.1 would be fixes

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tgm4883:

or rather a build from the fixes branch

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Wicked:

weird

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Wicked:

on the websvn

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iamlindoro:

*current* .23-fixes is .23.1

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Wicked:

there is no 0.23.1 under branches..but there is under tags....the 0.23.1 has no changes in 4 weeks....but under branches 0.23-fixes....there was changes 8 days ago

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iamlindoro:

confusingly, .23-fixes from before the .23.1 tag is .23.0

[23:11:38]

iamlindoro:

So if you just compile current .23-fixes on all machines, they will all match

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, true, he probably means that .23-fixes is 0.23.0+fixes

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tgm4883:

for his mythbuntu machines anyway since that is how we ship them

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iamlindoro:

yep

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, do you happen to know if there is an extra 0 in the library API version number? Looks like it is supose to be a datestamp 0.23.1.201000710–1

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tgm4883:

didn't know if that is an issue and if it was introduced here or downstream in mythbuntu

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iamlindoro:

tgm4883, Current trunk shows a proper datestamp, but it's quite likely the issue is with us, and in .23-fixes

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iamlindoro:

but fixing it means bumping the library api again, and I'm sure all of us are too terrified to ever do that again in fixes ;)

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tgm4883:

ok, just wondering because i just did a final 0.23.0 package and got this http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/kh5czXGS

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tgm4883:

mythtv version looks wrong too, so i'm not sure if that is a package thing as well

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iamlindoro:

yep, probably just a fatfinger error when it was last bumped-- the s thing is odd, though, can't explain that one

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kormoc:

we pull it from the svn info

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tgm4883:

yea, not sure about it, i've pinged superm1 to take a look

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kormoc:

so if your svn is claiming it's sblah vs rblah...

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tgm4883:

ah, wonder if it is just that build then. probably me fat fingering that one

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tgm4883:

the rest of our builds are fine

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tgm4883:

Twiggy2cents, you could upgrade the mythbuntu box to 0.23.1

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Twiggy2cents:

tgm4883, that is what I am doing. And yes it was 0.23.0-fixes ;)

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tgm4883:

Twiggy2cents, ok

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Twiggy2cents:

./configure fails to create an executeable file on mythtv. Am I missing something?

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tgm4883:

Twiggy2cents, you are compiling from source to upgrade your mythbuntu system to 0.23.1?

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kormoc:

Twiggy2cents, configure won't, you have to run make to make the executable

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** kormoc thinks Twiggy2cents is really new at compiling **

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Twiggy2cents:

yes

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Twiggy2cents:

I am

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** tgm4883 notes that you can upgrade karmic and lucid to 0.23.1 with autobuilds http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds **

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tgm4883:

and with that, i'm heading home

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tgm4883:

oh, just don't select 0.23.1 and uk, us, or fr. de or ppa work though

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Twiggy2cents:

I am following http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.2

[23:33:00]

Twiggy2cents:

I havent ever compiled anything ;)

[23:33:38]

Twiggy2cents:

but I substituted the downloads off of mythtv.org for the svn files

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kormoc:

Twiggy2cents, you know, the "To compile:" line is just 3 lines down from the ./configure

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kormoc:

you don't want that

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kormoc:

grab the svn sources

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kormoc:

(0.23-fixes)

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iamlindoro:

and moreover, don't compile when your packager has handled it for you

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Twiggy2cents:

do I want the trunk or release version?

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iamlindoro:

release

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iamlindoro:

.23.1

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iamlindoro:

from the de or ppa repos

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Twiggy2cents:

ahh crap. well I dont have those. What are they?

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Twiggy2cents:

so when I add the repos, I can open up synaptic and reload the list then just select mythtv and it will be 0.23.1-fixes?

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

install the auto-builds package

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iamlindoro:

then run

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iamlindoro:

sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-repos

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iamlindoro:

Then select release, .23.1, from the de or ppa repos

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iamlindoro:

you shoudl follow up in #mythbuntu

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Twiggy2cents:

well I have removed mythtv at the moment. Would that effect the commands you posted?

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iamlindoro:

ask in #mythbuntu

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iamlindoro:

we don't know about other's package management here

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Twiggy2cents:

ohh mythbuntu has a deb file to activate autobuilds

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kevink:

are there any plans to make BD iso files work in Myth? Right now I mount and ln to a .BDMV in the video dir for every BD movie

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