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** mattwj2002 installs the trunk version or at least tries to **

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k-man:

what would one have to do to convince the powers that be to add a "language" field to the program table?

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k-man:

it might have to be a 1-n relationship actually

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k-man:

but a simple string field that could contain a string like "English, Arabic, French" would probably suffice

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k-man:

you could then search for programs in a given language

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iamlindoro:

You'd have to provide a patch and a compelling reason for it to be applied

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wagnerrp:

so you really just want another markup type to be added

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k-man:

iamlindoro: how does one provide a patch to the db?

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iamlindoro:

by patching the dbcheck.cpp file, which performs DB upgrades

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k-man:

wagnerrp: yes, xmltv supports a loanguage field, but currently it is thrown away

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wagnerrp:

k-man: no database patch necessary

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iamlindoro:

But you'd also need to update every query and insert that touches said table

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wagnerrp:

add a new language markup type

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k-man:

wagnerrp: where can i read up on that?

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wagnerrp:

and add a new ENUM to set in the `data` field, mapping to each possible language

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wagnerrp:

then add code to mythfilldatabase to populate that data

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wagnerrp:

it will be non-invasive, and wont break anything

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k-man:

wagnerrp: the problem is, afaict, in xmltv, it is just a string, like "french, english, italian"

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wagnerrp:

youre going to have to parse that out at some point anyway

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k-man:

so either it would have to store a string like that, or it would have to be a 1-n relationship

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Wait, you're not suggesting it be inserted in recordedmarkup, are you?

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wagnerrp:

may as well do so when importing the information

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wagnerrp:

erm... right

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k-man:

wagnerrp: why not just leave it as a string?

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wagnerrp:

this would have to be for guide data

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wagnerrp:

not recordings

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wagnerrp:

yeah... recordedmarkup wont do it

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wagnerrp:

nevermind that

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k-man:

searches for programs could be as .... where language like "%french%"

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k-man:

i was thinking it should be stored in the program table?

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k-man:

i supposed it would be useful to save that info with the recording also

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k-man:

but my main objective is so i can do searched for programs in a particular language

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wagnerrp:

well that information would get passed through to the recordedprogram table

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wagnerrp:

so you would need to patch that table as well

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k-man:

ok

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wagnerrp:

i /really/ dislike dealing with 1-to-n data mapping in mysql

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k-man:

wagnerrp: i don't really see a need to map it like that

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k-man:

wagnerrp: why not keep it just as a string?

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wagnerrp:

you either end up with a varchar with multiple values like you are suggesting, which is screwy to deal with

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wagnerrp:

or you end up with a cross referenced table like i was suggestion, which is equally screwy to deal with

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k-man:

yes

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mattwj2002:

multithread compiling

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mattwj2002:

nice

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mattwj2002:

:D

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wagnerrp:

multi... thread?

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wagnerrp:

never heard of such a thing

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mattwj2002:

wait

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mattwj2002:

maybe that isn't the right term

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mattwj2002:

the -j option on make

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wagnerrp:

multi-process maybe?

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mattwj2002:

oh yeah that must be it :)

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wagnerrp:

make forks off a bunch of independent 'cc' processes

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mattwj2002:

oh my quad core I set it to 6

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wagnerrp:

its not one 'cc' process running multiple threads simultaneously

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mattwj2002:

how was that?

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wagnerrp:

?

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mattwj2002:

I did a make -j 6

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mattwj2002:

good idea?

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wagnerrp:

certainly

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wagnerrp:

if you find your cores idling on disk io, you may want to increase that further...

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wagnerrp:

... if youve got the memory for it

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mattwj2002:

8 physical GB

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wagnerrp:

-j2 would hit swap on my 1GB boxes

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k-man:

how do you tell if your cores are idling on diskio?

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wagnerrp:

and -j3 is my limit for my 2GB boxes

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mattwj2002:

24 GB of swap

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wagnerrp:

k-man: CPU load is << 100%

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wagnerrp:

mattwj2002: if you hit swap, you need more memory, or youre running too much

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mattwj2002:

indeed :)

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** mattwj2002 is eating patio grown tomatoes **

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mattwj2002:

yum!

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mattwj2002:

:d

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wagnerrp:

i mean youre talking a quarter second to read that memory, and 5+min to read that swap

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k-man:

what is all that html at the beginning of dbcheck.cpp

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k-man:

?

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wagnerrp:

a big ol' comment

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wagnerrp:

probably something for DOxygen's benefit

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k-man:

wagnerrp: oh yeah :)

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k-man:

is DOxygen a person or something else?

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k-man:

oh, documentation system

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wagnerrp:

http://www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen

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mattwj2002:

so guys

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k-man:

ok, supposing i want to implement this language stuff

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mattwj2002:

what is the compile time?

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k-man:

where would I start?

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wagnerrp:

what CPU?

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mattwj2002:

Phenom (original) Quad Core

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k-man:

do i need a development machine seperate from my live system?

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wagnerrp:

speed?

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mattwj2002:

something like 2.6 – 2.8 Ghz

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mattwj2002:

I forget

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wagnerrp:

mmm... 8–10 minutes?

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mattwj2002:

one second I'll check

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mattwj2002:

really?

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mattwj2002:

O_o

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mattwj2002:

oh crap

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mattwj2002:

way off

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mattwj2002:

2.3 GHz

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mattwj2002:

:(

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mattwj2002:

15 minutes?

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wagnerrp:

my 2.6Ghz X2 running '-j3' does it well under 20min

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mattwj2002:

nice

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wagnerrp:

my 1.8GHz X2 does it in maybe 30

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mattwj2002:

so after I compile mythtv

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mattwj2002:

I have to do the plugins and what not seperate?

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wagnerrp:

you need to compile AND install mythtv

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wagnerrp:

then you can compile the plugins

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mattwj2002:

okay

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mattwj2002:

oh crap

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mattwj2002:

I don't see mythexport

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mattwj2002:

:(

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mattwj2002:

oh I think that is unoffical

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wagnerrp:

yes, mythbuntu

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mattwj2002:

crap!

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mattwj2002:

it doesn't work with the trunk

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mattwj2002:

:(

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wagnerrp:

'the trunk'... i like that

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k-man:

i heard rumour that there is a git repo of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

has been for years

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k-man:

how do i access it?

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wagnerrp:

unofficial, maintained by one of the devs

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k-man:

is this it? http://git.jannau.net/git/mythtv.complete/

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wagnerrp:

looks like it

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k-man:

thanks

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mattwj2002:

well

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mattwj2002:

I got to mythtv-setup

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mattwj2002:

so far so good :)

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mattwj2002:

no smoke from the computer..yet

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

I got peppers!!!!!

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mattwj2002:

:D

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Bradison:

Anyone have any experience with HDHomeRun and MythTV?

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mattwj2002:

I do I do!

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[R]:

hdhomerun? what's that? i don't think anyones ever used it...

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mattwj2002:

haha [R]

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Bradison:

lol. Ok, here is my tale of woe.

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Bradison:

I just setup a clean Mythbuntu install with auto updates on.

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Bradison:

The HR is found using the silicondust utility. Everything is fine so far.

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PMantis:

Bradison, HDHomerun's work perfectly with MythTV

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Bradison:

It's really not working for me.

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mattwj2002:

what is it doing or not doing?

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Bradison:

I have a friend with a different rig and he is having the same problems.

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PMantis:

Describe

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mattwj2002:

details please! :D

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Bradison:

When I attempt to tune the HD tuner using my frontend, it frequently errors out. Black screen or crashes to the desktop.

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Bradison:

I have a frrontend also loaded on the backend server, and it shows the same behaviour.

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Bradison:

FE error log does not have any obvious error before the crashes.

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PMantis:

Bradison, Have you tried scheduling a recording.

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Bradison:

Basically, it is unusable for me. I don't know if the channel scan is being performed incorrectly or if there is some other issue.

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Bradison:

No. I guess I could try to schedule something.

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mattwj2002:

okay guys

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mattwj2002:

help me out

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mattwj2002:

I build the mythplugins

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mattwj2002:

I installed them

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mattwj2002:

mythweb doesn't work

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mattwj2002:

what did I miss?

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[R]:

yhou need to read the insturctions

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Beirdo:

I wanna know why the frontend idles at 45% CPU or so sitting in the recorded program listing

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mattwj2002:

your right

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mattwj2002:

sorry

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Beirdo:

it uses less CPU to playback.

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[R]:

Beirdo: trunk?

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Beirdo:

of course

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[R]:

i know there used to be a bug

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[R]:

but i thought htey fixed it

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Bradison:

I sometimes get "Error opening jump program file." when it tries to tune the station.

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Bradison:

My analog tuners are working perfectly.

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Bradison:

They have been for over a year, but this new HomeRun box doesn't seem to work.

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k-man:

Bradison: have you made sure the hdhomerun has the latest firmware? (no idea if thats the cause though)

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Bradison:

Yes, it's fully up to date.

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k-man:

Bradison: i use an hdhr and i don't have that problem

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k-man:

Bradison: sorry i can't be much more help than that

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Bradison:

k-man, can you answer a few questions about your setup?

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k-man:

Bradison: i can try – but before that I should state I am in Australia with the DVB-T version of the hdhr

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Beirdo:

oh no, an Aussie! :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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k-man:

Bradison: i prefer to answer in channel

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Beirdo:

how's the winter down there?

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k-man:

cold

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Bradison:

Are you compiling from source or using a packaged distro?

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k-man:

source

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k-man:

trunk

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Bradison:

What os?

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k-man:

linux, debian distro

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k-man:

i'm running trunk, but it was compiled a couple of months ago

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Bradison:

I don't know if this makes sense....but did you configure your HR with an earlier release and upgrade or do a clean install with ,23?

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k-man:

hmm.. clean install with .23, at that time, installed from the debian multimedia packages, then removed the packages and switched to builds from trunk

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Bradison:

After the channel scan, did you have to delete many channels that were added incorrectly or did the scan bring in all the correct channels?

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k-man:

Bradison: i think it was mainly correct, but i find i always have to delete some channels as we have a few here in Aus. that I'm not intereseted in. Also, iirc it picked up some channels from another more distant transmitter that also were not appropriate for me

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Bradison:

Are you using an OTA antenna or cable?

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k-man:

OTA

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k-man:

Bradison: where are you located?

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Bradison:

US.

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Bradison:

It's hot here.

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[R]:

how hot is it?

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Bradison:

lol

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Bradison:

Hey, thanks for your help. I might try another distro or compile from source.

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[R]:

myth "just works" in mythbuntu

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k-man:

Bradison: compiling from source was less painful than i imagined

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Bradison:

I've heard lots of horror stories, but have not tried it.

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Bradison:

myth "just works" for my analog tuners with mythbuntu, but HR is a no go.

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k-man:

my only problem was that cron was set to run mythfilldatabase from /usr/bin but after installing from source, mythfilldatabase was in /usr/local/bin so it stopped receiving guide data and I didn't notice until too late

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[R]:

myth runs fill on its own...

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Bradison:

Thanks again for your help. Cheers.

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k-man:

[R]: unless you specify it to run from cron, which i did for historical reasons

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[R]:

lol

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high-rez:

Shouldn't it be that if one of my backends is tuned to a program, that if another backend wishes to watch the same program I should only use one of my receivers (both of which have multirec enabled) ?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: 8788 seems wholly worthless IMHO

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: Any chance you know the answer to that question? I'm asking to know if I should open a bug up. :)

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high-rez:

(This is the first time I've *really* gotten a proper master/slave backend config working)

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will always use the first available tuner

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wagnerrp:

if that tuner happens to be a virtual tuner already tuned to the proper multiplex, so be it

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: agreed, but I'll let it sit for a moment before closing it :)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: no, i mean nuvexport is supposed to be run as a user job

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Beirdo:

especially as % is based on WITH the commercials still in :)

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Beirdo:

no

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wagnerrp:

if its not updating the entry in the database, why bother?

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Beirdo:

nuvexport is supposed to run from a shell

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high-rez:

If I have a tuner on my slave, and a tuner on my master, and they both have the same video source, if I tune to both program on the salve nad master (they're also both frontends) it should only use /one/ tuner right ?

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wagnerrp:

oh? manual operation only?

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wagnerrp:

funky

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Beirdo:

it CAN be coerced into running as a user job

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Beirdo:

but it was designed originally with menus,e tc

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high-rez:

jesus i can't type

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wagnerrp:

high-rez: you dont tell tuners what to do

[03:01:55]

wagnerrp:

you tell mythtv you want to watch/record some channel

[03:02:01]

wagnerrp:

and it decides what tuner it wants to do so on

[03:02:26]

high-rez:

But it should only use one tuner if I'm watching livetv on two machines on the exact same channel?

[03:02:38]

high-rez:

Or is that not correct? this is where i'm confused.

[03:02:46]

wagnerrp:

mythtv will use the next tuner in the list

[03:02:55]

high-rez:

I see. So this is by design.

[03:02:56]

high-rez:

Ok

[03:03:04]

wagnerrp:

each virtual tuner is defined as one of those tuners in the list

[03:03:07]

Beirdo:

but still we have % complete, an ETA isn't THAT useful really

[03:03:19]

high-rez:

a virtual tuner is where you have multirec enabled ?

[03:03:19]

Beirdo:

but not all that useless either :)

[03:03:22]

wagnerrp:

correct

[03:03:29]

high-rez:

Hmm.

[03:03:41]

wagnerrp:

so if your next tuner is a virtual tuner on the same card already tuned to that multiplex, mythtv will use it

[03:03:45]

Beirdo:

ewwww, what kinda crappy diff is this?

[03:04:05]

wagnerrp:

if your next tuner is on a different physical tuner, it will tie up a second physical tuner on that same multiplex

[03:04:25]

high-rez:

wagnerrp: Shouldn't it be that it checks to see if another tuner is already tuned to the multiplex you want, and use a virtual off of that tuner ?

[03:04:59]

wagnerrp:

high-rez: to be honest, if youre going livetv, you want a new physical tuner for each session

[03:05:30]

wagnerrp:

if two sessions are using the same physical tuner, neither of them can tune off that multiplex without switching to a new tuner

[03:06:20]

wagnerrp:

with recordings, placement could be done more intelligently, but it works pretty well as it is

[03:06:26]

high-rez:

Right. But I figured the whole tuner selection piece was abstracted from the frontend so it would never know – and the backend did all of the magic behind the schenes :)

[03:06:57]

wagnerrp:

livetv and multirec can get a bit hairy

[03:07:06]

high-rez:

Yeah, its ok as is – I was just surprised about it. :D

[03:07:09]

wagnerrp:

its a source of much consternation among some of the more vocal users

[03:07:19]

wagnerrp:

and its largely ignored by the devs who dont use livetv anyway

[03:07:29]

high-rez:

Better consternation than constipation.

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high-rez:

Does myth schedule recordings so that it can get as much done with multirec as possible? E.g. I assume if I had two programs on the same multuplex myth would then only use the tuner on my master backend, and the slave would be free for livetv viewing?

[03:10:29]

wagnerrp:

http://gizmodo.com/5614375

[03:10:58]

wagnerrp:

high-rez: again, mythtv simply uses the first available tuner

[03:11:17]

wagnerrp:

so if you defined your virtual tuners such that they are all ordered sequentially

[03:11:33]

wagnerrp:

meaning you set the final number when you first created the card, before creating any new cards

[03:11:46]

wagnerrp:

mythtv will first try through all the virtual tuners on the first card

[03:11:56]

high-rez:

Hmm. I see.

[03:12:00]

wagnerrp:

if the show is on the same multiplex, it will be possible to record on that card, and mythtv will place it there

[03:12:27]

wagnerrp:

if the show is on another multipled, it will not be able to record on any of those virtual tuners, and will fall through to the next physical tuner

[03:12:44]

wagnerrp:

s/multipled/multiplex/

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high-rez:

I think it would be neat to maybe automate some of that logic so the backends all know which BE is tuned to what multiplex, and if someone wants something on a multiple that's already tuned and a virtual is available to use that (i know there's aan argument as to wether or not that is correct behavior – obviously when the user changes channels there'd have to be a check to move them to another tuner if its available and channel is on a diff multiplex

[03:14:33]

high-rez:

Moreover, say both tuners are busy recording something, and the user is watching livetv, it would be interesting to let the user surf through the channels that are available on both multiplexes and just switch between them automagically.

[03:14:56]

wagnerrp:

could it be done better? sure

[03:15:10]

wagnerrp:

but it seems to work well enough now for most cases

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wagnerrp:

and with more complexity and logic comes more overhead

[03:15:46]

wagnerrp:

the scheduler is already slow enough with large lineups and multiple tuners

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[R]:

that's what she said?

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high-rez:

E.g. Channel 1,2,3,4 are on multiplex 1 and channel 5,6,7,8 are on mutiplex 2 and 9,10,11,12 on are multiplex 3. Tuner 1 is recording channel 1 and tuner 2 is recording channel 5. Each tuner has a multirec value of two. The user would then be able to surf 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 but not 9,10,11,12

[03:17:03]

high-rez:

Wow, I'm talking jarjar today – hope that makes sense even a little bit. :)

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Beirdo:

this is insane

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[R]:

Beirdo: insane in the brain?

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high-rez:

It *IS*insane

[03:20:57]

high-rez:

What's insane?

[03:20:58]

Beirdo:

22% during playback... 45–48% sitting in a lousy menu?

[03:21:05]

[R]:

Beirdo: opengl?

[03:21:11]

[R]:

Beirdo: qt? nvdpau?

[03:21:11]

Beirdo:

yeah

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[R]:

vdpau*

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Beirdo:

but nothing's changing on the screen but a "Recording" fading in and out

[03:21:52]

[R]:

i remember that one bug

[03:21:56]

[R]:

had to do with an idle loop or something

[03:22:03]

[R]:

and qt being stupid

[03:22:06]

[R]:

are you on the latest and greated qt?

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Beirdo:

doubtful

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[R]:

greatest*

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bcgrown:

why does playing a DVD give me super choppy audio and a ridiculous number of these messages: 2010-08–16 21:14:16.798 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

[04:15:04]

bcgrown:

i dont get this happening anywhere else...

[04:16:17]

bcgrown:

that was on the DVD menu. when I play the DVD i get less of those messages but it plays at turbo speed. (time stretch is set to 1.0x)

[04:18:12]

bcgrown:

it's like watching the chipmunks on crack

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Beirdo:

ugh, no ambition tonight

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[R]:

Beirdo: F-

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[04:31:03]

** Beirdo f-arts **

[04:31:10]

[R]:

lol

[04:31:13]

Beirdo:

that's better

[04:31:21]

[R]:

relieved the pressure?

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Beirdo:

nah, just expressed my summary of the day

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[R]:

lol

[04:33:02]

Beirdo:

maybe I should rip old crap outta nuvexport

[04:33:17]

Beirdo:

that's almost destructive enough to hold my attention for a moment

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[R]:

what was with that guy who was talkin crap about nuvexport on the ml

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Beirdo:

who? Mr. I-Do-Everything-In-Bash-Because-I-Can't-Learn-Perl

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[R]:

haha

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Beirdo:

OK... transcode go bye-bye

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Beirdo:

screw transcode

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[R]:

how would that work?

[04:37:06]

Beirdo:

gonna have to reimplement DVD export in mencoder, I think

[04:37:15]

[R]:

no... i mean screwing transcode

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[R]:

:)

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Beirdo:

I'll leave the details to the horny.

[04:37:39]

[R]:

HAHA

[04:37:48]

Beirdo:

where there's a willy, there's a way

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[R]:

lol

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bcgrown:

anyone know a good DVD ripping app? myth won't work with this disc :(

[04:51:33]

Beirdo:

OK. Transcode is history

[04:51:37]

bcgrown:

(for linux that is)

[04:51:47]

Beirdo:

bcgrown: gooogle

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bcgrown:

le sigh

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[R]:

lol

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mzb:

I have a grabber that returns language for the programme ... does the db have an entry for this somewhere?

[04:56:22]

Beirdo:

OK, VCD, SVCD, DVCD... all nuked

[04:56:27]

mzb:

(multicultural channel)

[04:56:34]

Beirdo:

mzb: no

[04:56:41]

mzb:

ok, shame

[04:56:42]

Beirdo:

someone already asked earlier :)

[04:56:47]

mzb:

:)

[04:56:59]

Beirdo:

and who knows, maybe they will patch something to use the metadata for that

[04:57:04]

mzb:

probably another .au ;) (mentioned on the mailing list earlier)

[04:57:20]

mzb:

would be nice for my 'movie' power search

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wagnerrp:

no, israeli

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Beirdo:

crazy aussies :)

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Beirdo:

not that there's anything wrong with that of course :)

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mzb:

ie: <rest of query> AND language LIKE "%English%"

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wagnerrp:

stupid antec, not selling spare parts for 8yr old cases

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Beirdo:

oh stupid TravelHD

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Beirdo:

they have subtitles for Anthony Bourdain in Rome

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Beirdo:

and they put a splash ad right over it

[05:00:22]

Beirdo:

dumb putzes

[05:01:31]

Beirdo:

lots of f**** in the subtitles... seems Italians get verbose and sweary when they fight :)

[05:03:22]

Beirdo:

q

[05:03:22]

Beirdo:

hehe, wrong window

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** Beirdo yawns **

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wagnerrp:

sphery: ive got a number of case fans going bad, so im looking for replacements on newegg

[05:17:05]

wagnerrp:

found one where some guy is pushing one fan because it uses very little power

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wagnerrp:

and thats great for his atom, because that tenth watt less this fan pulls than the rest makes all the difference

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bcgrown:

every tenth watt counts :)

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wagnerrp:

every tenth watt is sacred

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wagnerrp:

every tenth watt is great

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wagnerrp:

ugh... need to replace the CPU cooler too

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Beirdo:

ooooh

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Beirdo:

I found a bug

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Beirdo:

nuvexport with mencoder belches if you say not to use the cutlist, it seems

[05:30:23]

Beirdo:

something to fix, I guess

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Beirdo:

oh wonderful

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Beirdo:

mencoder fail

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Beirdo:

Audio format 0x4134504d is incompatible with '-oac copy', please try '-oac pcm' instead or use '-fafmttag' to override it.

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Beirdo:

niiicw

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Beirdo:

with the cutlist, we feed in raw frames from mythtranscode

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh

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Beirdo:

omg, sloooow

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Beirdo:

7fps. I told it to use -demuxer lavf (in case)

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Beirdo:

it's doing it... but it's whining about duplicate frames from 1080i source. odd

[05:38:43]

kormoc:

it's what you get for recording the solid black show

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Beirdo:

hehe, nice try :)

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k-man:

somehow i pulled a muscle in my leg simply by crossing the road

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Beirdo:

stop chasing the kangaroos

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wagnerrp:

i hate buying stuff at monoprice, because im always thinking there are more cables i need to buy

[05:51:13]

wagnerrp:

i can never actually finish checkout

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Beirdo:

heheeh

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wagnerrp:

huh... the 60pc packs of velcro wire wraps are twice as expensive as 10x 6pc packs

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

yeah, dont know what it is... clearance or something

[05:58:59]

wagnerrp:

$0.37/pack for the 6pc packs, $7.14/pack for the 60pc packs

[05:59:40]

wagnerrp:

actually, 8.07

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Captain_Murdoch:

anybody know if anybody has complained about compiling recent trunk and having it fail in videooutbase.cpp on an error in qurl.h?

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Beirdo:

haven't heard of, no

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** wagnerrp is about to overtake stuarta **

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Captain_Murdoch:

it's odd. something appears to be #define-ing 'None', so when qurl.h is included by way of QDesktopWidget, it tries to define part of an enum as "0L = 0,"

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nicoaunico:

any brisbane australia myth tv users here?

[06:16:16]

nicoaunico:

or know why i might have trouble tuning into channel 9 and sbs

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k-man:

nutron: are they on the same transmitter as the other stations?

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Beirdo:

OK, it seems that the CPU usage.... was the "Recording" blinking on and off

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Beirdo:

it's at 2% for the frontend without that there

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Beirdo:

and 48% with

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Beirdo:

that Recording thingy needs work

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: ^^^ Any idea why that would be taking SO much CPU?

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kormoc:

which painter?

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Beirdo:

OpenGL, AFAIK

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Beirdo:

let me doublecheck

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kormoc:

arclight?

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Beirdo:

yep

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kormoc:

I'm fairly certain I don't have that much cpu usage on my box

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Beirdo:

it's the little alphapulse text area that seems to be the main difference

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Beirdo:

while it's recording, it takes 48% CPU in the program listing

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Beirdo:

while it's not... 2%

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Beirdo:

yup, OpenGL painter

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Beirdo:

that seems to be the only visibly different thing that could possibly be related

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Captain_Murdoch:

probably due to the # of things on screen and the non-clipping in the OpenGL painter. that screen is probably pretty busy since it has so many cells.

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Captain_Murdoch:

just like the alphapulse on the MythVideo screen in Graphite.

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Beirdo:

called 70times a second

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Captain_Murdoch:

yep

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Beirdo:

and SetRedraw redoes the whole screen?

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Beirdo:

I think I know parts of my local copies of themes that are about to get disabled

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, not everything is marked dirty, but the whole screen is redrawn I believe.

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Beirdo:

that's a sick amount of CPU usage for something so minor

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Beirdo:

I'd rather use it on commflagging :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, it has been mentioned to fix it so that OpenGL does clipping, but I'm not sure if anyone who knows enough to do it has been affected. for instance I think Daniel uses MythCenter.

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Beirdo:

seems rather odd to animate alpha changes at SUCH a high FPS

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Captain_Murdoch:

I looked into optimizing pulse one time, but didn't get any perf improvements with a lot of added logic, and it appears it's not our logic that's consuming all the CPU.

[06:51:03]

Captain_Murdoch:

that's the normal refresh rate.

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Beirdo:

odd

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Beirdo:

wonder what's actually eating the CPU so bad in there

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Captain_Murdoch:

probably could go lower on that though, I can't recall at 3AM. :|

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Beirdo:

I guess it's calling pulse on every child of the main frame?

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Captain_Murdoch:

looks like my qurl.h compile issue was worked around by just using "class QNetworkReply;" instead of "#include <QNetworkReply>" in some of the animated image code. put the #include in the .cpp file instead of the .h.

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Beirdo:

whether or not they use it?

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Captain_Murdoch:

Beirdo, yeah, but that's not the CPU usage, I believe it's OpenGL redrawing. you can verify by viewing the same screen in the Qt painter which does do clipping.

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Beirdo:

fair enough

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kormoc:

oh wait, I'm using the QT painter

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Captain_Murdoch:

I think pulseis only called if items can pulse.

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Beirdo:

but OUCH, what a mess :)

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Beirdo:

no, it's called recursively for all

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Beirdo:

but HandleMovementPulse and HandleAlphaPulse return pretty quickly if not needed

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, maybe my patch was to include a '::canPulse()" check and that didn't save much.

[06:55:11]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, that sounds familiar.

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Beirdo:

so yeah, it must be how the redraw works

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Beirdo:

blargh, why is commflag doing this?

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Beirdo:

Player(0): Timed out waiting for free video buffers.

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Beirdo:

just wait, you silly program, it's not meant to be live playback! :)

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Beirdo:

anyways, the joys of using the same code, I guess

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, I've wondered about that in the past, whether it made sense to just use the libav* routines directly in the flagger.

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Beirdo:

I really don't care if it wants to "time out" :)

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Beirdo:

as long as it's working, it can go as fast as it can

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Captain_Murdoch:

part of the reason I kept it the way it is was to not have to deal with frame number differences. if it's a single "decoder" used for flagging and playback, theoretically frame numbers should match exactly during flagging and playback for a given frame

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

understood

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Beirdo:

I wonder if we can't selectively silence some "errors" based on what mode its running

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Beirdo:

not that important in the grander scheme, I guess

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justinh:

hmm stupid update-notifier popup ruining our frontend experience

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justinh:

so now I've used gconftool to disable it :-)

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Jay2k1:

heh

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Jay2k1:

i update the box so frequently that i never see that popup

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Jay2k1:

i see the "wired network connection established" popup though everytime i boot up

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justinh:

I hate ubuntu for all its fricking nagging

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justinh:

wuh wuh wuh, wah wah wah. I'm not a fscking NOOB

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justinh:

and I don't CARE if XYZ updates are available. if the box works I want to keep it that way by NOT updating crap willy nilly

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Jay2k1:

if only noobs would fsck anyway

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Jay2k1:

hm, i guess the fact that i never experienced an update breaking anything makes me update regularly

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Jay2k1:

twice a week or so

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justinh:

my frontend never even sees the internet so I really don't see any point updating it

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justinh:

I've already experienced catastrophic regressions in the intel video driver and/or xorg

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gbee:

!seen devinheitmuller

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gbee:

!seen Devinheitmuller

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sid3windr:

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sid3windr:

4 days ago :)

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sid3windr:

minus 4h

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gbee:

missing the e in mueller :)

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gbee:

sid3windr: thanks

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sid3windr:

ah heh, I wouldn't have remembered the e either ;) just did a /lastlog devin ;)

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gbee:

I'll send him an email instead

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justinh:

hmm aparently virgin media are going to be using TiVo software on their DVRs from Q4

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gbee:

yup

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gbee:

have you seen what Virgin One is being rebranded to by Sky?

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jduggan:

what is it being rebranded to ?

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** jduggan prepares to cringe **

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gbee:

the very confusing "Channel One"

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gbee:

less cringe worthy and more a deliberate attempt to invite confusion with BBC One

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jduggan:

they should try confusing it with dave

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jduggan:

because its pretty much, dave

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justinh:

nah, it doesn't have anything like enough repeats on it to be like Dave

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justinh:

Dave is actually 2 channels. Dave morning, and Dave afternoon.. Dave afternoon is like Dave morning+6

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justinh:

wonder if only the name is changing anyway.. I always dread rescanning

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justinh:

think I might start a petition to get all pay TV kicked off terrestrial telly

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justinh:

the new Sky stuff coming to 'freeview' is only going to confuse people

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justinh:

get TUTV etc kicked off from freeview muxes. if they want a service let them get their own mux & let freeview better use available bandwidth.. let's have some broadcast quality back

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gbee:

justinh: they are saying no rescan is required, LCN will remain the same too

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justinh:

how very forward thinking of them :)

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gbee:

to the best of my knowledge, they've not said that the content won't change, I half expect that they'll take the higher rating content and put it on their subscription channels leaving 'Channel One' as a dumping ground for old crap just like Sky Three

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justinh:

yeah already waved goodbye to Chuck

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justinh:

maybe one day OFCOM will force Sky to open things up a bit & allow 3rd party hardware

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justinh:

I don't mind paying for some stuff I want to see, if I'm not restricted to using a completely impotent platform like theirs

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justinh:

infact it'd be nice if VM could just put things on their ondemand & I'll pay 50p an episode

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justinh:

god, imagine everybody's revenue loss if we only payed for what we actually watch ;)

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gbee:

justinh: I wonder what effect that would have on the overall quality of programming

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justinh:

hmm. it hasn't really done anything for the film industry ;)

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gbee:

the BBC would have us believe that they can only create quality stuff because they aren't solely concerned by achieving the highest ratings in a timeslot, if ITV/Sky et al are indications of what the purely commercial process turns out then viva the BBC

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justinh:

I think the BBC say one thing & do another

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justinh:

grrr. if one more person acts dismissively when I tell them there haven't really been many sleepless nights yet I'll chin them

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justinh:

2 or 3 bad nights, yes. hard work, sure... but no aspect of the part I'm playing is grudgingly carried out & they just don't seem to get it

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wagnerrp:

NAB and RIAA want to make FM chips required in cell phones by law.... why?

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wagnerrp:

i already dont want to listen to music on my cell phone

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wagnerrp:

and were i to have one that i might, it would have several GB of storage for stuff i would want to listen to

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atlanta800:

I upgraded to 0.23.1 around a month ago, and now none of my frontends will show any recordings after that. The database shows them, MythWeb shows them, I can stream via ASX, but none of the front ends will show them. Help?

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atlanta800:

I can see recordings before 7/7, but none after

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wagnerrp:

are these recordings or livetv?

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atlanta800:

nope, regular scheduled recordings

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wagnerrp:

is it possible you have two separate databases, and the frontends are reading off the old one?

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atlanta800:

didn't change any of them, there's literally an episode of Tosh.0 recorded on 7/7 that shows, and one on 7/14 that doesn't

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atlanta800:

well, I thought that too, but I looked through mythconverg with the mysql command line and all of the recordings (before and after) show up in that database

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wagnerrp:

open up the ~/.mythtv/config.xml on each frontend, and make sure they are exactly the same

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wagnerrp:

same host, same database

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atlanta800:

erm wait, MythWeb only shows post-update, and the frontends only show post-update, but the mysql database itself lists all of them

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atlanta800:

frontends only show pre-update*

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atlanta800:

config.xml matches up, is there one for mythweb?

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wagnerrp:

in the mythweb.conf include

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atlanta800:

it matches up as well

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atlanta800:

any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

youve got some sort of show filter on

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atlanta800:

how do I get it off?\

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wagnerrp:

hit 'm' in the 'watch recordings' screen

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atlanta800:

it's set to all programs...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: nice progress on the commfagger... Commflagging was low-profile when I was all SD MPEG2 recordings, but now that I'm h.264 HD, it's kicing my system's butt... What processor are you running btw?

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wagnerrp:

pentium-d

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: wow, that's really impressive then!

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mr_claus1:

wagnerrp: i tried to scan the channels with mythbuntu but it didn't work like with scan on the console, "scan /usr/share/dvb/dvb-c/de-Munehcne" gives me somethink like "0x0000 0x6dca: pmt_pid 0x0064 ARD — Das Erste (running)", but mythbuntu didn't find any channell, probably i forgot something to configure but i didn't know whats missing

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Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A: Pentium-D here

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Beirdo:

aw MAN!

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Beirdo:

markk just added *more* alphapulse stuff?!

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Beirdo:

just what I need to keep my CPU usage down :)

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Beirdo:

that particular eye-candy is eating CPU for me with OpenGL painter

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wagnerrp:

alphapulse?

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

it changes the alpha 70 times per second, giving almost a flashing effect... the "Recording" string on the program list in Arclight is where I noticed it

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Beirdo:

looks great.

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Beirdo:

eats CPU like nobody's business

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: (Re: Commflagger) Nice improvements. ;-)

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Beirdo:

most of the work was done by danielk on that :)

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Beirdo:

but thanks

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Beirdo:

time to catch a bus to work... sigh

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wagnerrp:

oh right... that 70Hz thing that was sticking peoples processors at 7/14% usage way back

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J-e-f-f-A:

ah, Kudos to both of you. ;-)

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GuySoft:

wagnerrp, does this seem reasonable?: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8770#comment:12 I just think that user is confusing stuarta

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: well, at 1080i, it's pegging my CPU at 48% :)

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[R]:

pegging

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** [R] giggles **

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wagnerrp:

GuySoft: as mentioned, i dont use EIT so i know next to nothing about it

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: this was some spinlock interaction caused by the 70Hz pulse and 60Hz refresh rate

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GuySoft:

wagnerrp, ok then, thanks for the help so far none the less

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msphobia:

I'm sure this is answered somewhere, but search as I might, I can't seem to find it. It seems all of the new themes really rely on having cover art available in order to look good. I've seen all sorts of documentation for getting cover art in mythvideo, but in regards to just typical "Watch Recordings" content, I can't seem to find any references in the frontend config, the wiki, user manual, etc. Can someone direct me how to g

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wagnerrp:

coverart is not fully supported for recordings

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wagnerrp:

there are no definitions in the database to specify where to actually find the artwork

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wagnerrp:

so the code that is in there just works off the show titles, and makes a guess at where the artwork might be found in the mythvideo folders

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wagnerrp:

that means you have to have mythvideo set up and configured

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wagnerrp:

and you either need to have mythvideo pull artwork for matching shows that you have stored in mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

or you need to run JAMU and let it pull artwork for the recordings

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msphobia:

does the artwork need to be pulled to each frontend? or can I put it into a storage directory?

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wagnerrp:

set up mythvideo to use storage groups, and the artwork will be stored in those folders on the backend

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msphobia:

ok, thanks!

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gbee:

!seen Dibblah

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MythLogBot:

Dibblah was last seen 32 days 1 hour 9 minutes 1 second ago

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gbee:

well I hope that he's ok

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iamlindoro:

He mentioned being done w/ MythTV

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iamlindoro:

16-07–2010 10:26:35 < Dibblah!~Dibblah@cpc2-dund11-2-0-cust288.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com : Ah, what the hell. I'm not even running Myth any more, so I might as well just leave it.

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iamlindoro:

16-07–2010 10:27:15 > iamlindoro: Dibblah: No more Myth?

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iamlindoro:

16-07–2010 10:27:54 < Dibblah!~Dibblah@cpc2-dund11-2-0-cust288.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com : Too many encryption issues, ironically. I know what I'm talking about, where I think James may not.

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guysoft22:

is there a mythtv windows build for dummies?

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iamlindoro:

You can build it with the build script, does all the work for you

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iamlindoro:

Though hopefully you don't hope to run the backend there

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iamlindoro:

since we have no tuner support there, and even mythfilldatabase doesn't run on windows last I checked

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Beirdo:

the demo tuner might run :)

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Beirdo:

pretty pointless though

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gbee:

iamlindoro: mythfilldatabase not working, have any details on that? Not that I'm in a position to test a fix

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Think there is still a pending ticket closure from Jeff Lu with a patch

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iamlindoro:

gbee: It was in amongst a series of other patches-- think Mark has it under control and had a good reason for holding off on what was left

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iamlindoro:

But I don't remember the reason

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gbee:

ok, at least someone is looking at it

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iamlindoro:

gbee: It seems I was mistaken, Mark committed that part of the fix a year ago

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iamlindoro:

Though the ticket is still open with one more outstanding patch

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guysoft22:

iamlindoro, i can try and build a debian livecd i guess or something.. if it will make it publicly available.. but that would be only in a month and a half, i am flying to India in 5 days :)

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iamlindoro:

guysoft22: Will make what publicly available? Why can't people in your region use mythbuntu et al?

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guysoft22:

iamlindoro, they can.. but they are lazy..

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iamlindoro:

It doesn't get any easier than mythbuntu

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iamlindoro:

and nothing any individual is going to conjure up in a few weeks will match it

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guysoft22:

iamlindoro, i ran for like 4 years install parties here, believe me i know

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guysoft22:

iamlindoro, ok, ill look in to it if required

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wagnerrp:

does trac run behind squid?

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wagnerrp:

no, must be the user behind it

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wagnerrp:

somewhat odd to find a compromised IE6/WinXP machine behind a squid proxy

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wagnerrp:

how does adobe support h264 in flash?

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wagnerrp:

doesnt that mean they have to pay a license fee for every downloaded copy of the flash installer?

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: they might get a break if they have patents of their own in the pool?

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AndyCap:

ah, they're not. http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Pages/Licensors.aspx

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AndyCap:

seems the royalty cap is 5 million dollars.

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GuySoft:

AndyCap, oh sure! Let me just check in my wallet.. ah oops FOSS developer

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AndyCap:

GuySoft: well, I think adobe has more money than that. :P

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AndyCap:

GuySoft: but it seems they only imagine codec software being "sold" http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Docum . . . sSummary.pdf

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wagnerrp:

so if the community banded together and bought a license for ffmpeg

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wagnerrp:

it would be a one-time hit, and everyone could then forth link into those libraries at will legally?

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wagnerrp:

that doesnt seem correct

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AndyCap:

I dunno. seems like they think you make another product if you redistribute it

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AndyCap:

and it looks like they want more money if you're a streaming service or something. :P

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wagnerrp:

but you dont redistribute it

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AndyCap:

sublicenses for encoder and decoder manufacturers granting the right to manufacture and

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wagnerrp:

people download the ffmpeg libraries from ffmpeg

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AndyCap:

sell and a limited right only for personal consumer use by or between end users

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: oh, and it's 5 millon a year.

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high-rez:

Are they actually enforcing the license now ?

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wagnerrp:

ah, well thats different then

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

there was a bit of a scare a couple months ago, but nothing ever came of it

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high-rez:

A bit of a scare, then google released vp8? ;)

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wagnerrp:

no, completely independent of that

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AndyCap:

so for each year one distributes ffmpeg I guess one would have to pay up 5 million for the h264 pool, and maybe the mpeg2 pool, and vc-1 pool and atsc pool. :P

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high-rez:

There's an ATSC pool?

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wagnerrp:

sure, why not

[20:07:55]

AndyCap:

What I don't get is why these patent pools haven't been attacked by a patent troll

[20:08:09]

high-rez:

A business method patent for patent pooling?

[20:08:15]

AndyCap:

since they do not guarantee anything except a license to the patents they actually hold

[20:08:34]

AndyCap:

Participation in the License is voluntary on the part of essential patent holders, however.

[20:09:08]

high-rez:

Is there another libav* sync coming beofre 0.24 – or will there be no vp8 in 0.24 ?

[20:09:27]

iamlindoro:

yes, there is a resync coming

[20:09:43]

AndyCap:

high-rez: any material in vp8?

[20:09:48]

high-rez:

Shaaaweeet

[20:10:09]

iamlindoro:

Since there is no open source encoder, probably not all *that* critical

[20:10:18]

high-rez:

AndyCap: That's besides the point ;)

[20:10:33]

iamlindoro:

No danger of anyone actually using VP8 much any time soon

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AndyCap:

Dirac naow!

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high-rez:

Dirac is too british for anyone to care about.

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wagnerrp:

'cept for youtube/googlevideo

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wagnerrp:

does google video offer vp8 downloads, or just h264?

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gbee:

wagnerrp: apparently they are swapping a lot of content over to vp8, but finding those videos among the thousands already encoded with h.264 is another matter

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wagnerrp:

well for now, MNV just uses their flash player anyway

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high-rez:

You have to use chrome/html5 for the vp8 content on youtube no ?

[20:19:46]

wagnerrp:

yes

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gbee:

high-rez: I'm wondering whether I should take offence at that dirac comment :)

[20:20:32]

gbee:

high-rez: no, you don't need chrome

[20:20:44]

wagnerrp:

well you know, no one else likes british cuisine or codecs

[20:20:58]

high-rez:

gbee: It was a friendly jab ;)

[20:21:00]

wagnerrp:

yeah, you just need a browser with html5 and vp8

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wagnerrp:

newer firefox will do it

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gbee:

opera, firefox and probably a number of other smaller browsers have built-in VP8 support, even IE will handle it if you manually install the codec

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gbee:

opera supported VP8 from day one, google gave them an early preview

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wagnerrp:

are there actually any smaller browsers who developed it on their own?

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wagnerrp:

or did they just get it through nsrunner/webkit?

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gbee:

I don't know

[20:27:17]

__benny__:

I got a reproducible crash in MythGame, got a 'core' and gdb stacktrace, anyone interested ?

[20:27:31]

__benny__:

should I just create ticket ?

[20:27:44]

wagnerrp:

on 0.23 and/or trunk?

[20:27:50]

__benny__:

trunk

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wagnerrp:

go for it

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Beirdo:

sphery: thanks for trying to talk sense into #7672 :)

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GuySoft:

And4713, i thought though if a company teams up with the ITU then they have to not file any lawsuit if someone uses their patent (aka give the patent up)

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nichos:

hi all, im having problems with the HVR-2250 it works fine, until i reboot then there are no devices found. Here's the dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/paY020uA

[20:30:38]

GuySoft:

AndyCap, ^

[20:30:38]

nichos:

kernellabs.com is down :(

[20:32:05]

nichos:

it will run fine for months, it's just when the power goes out

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gbee:

they forgot to feed the meter

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nichos:

it was towed?

[20:33:15]

gbee:

or the hamster finally escaped the wheel

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Beirdo:

too busy rapping for a Kia commercial

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** nichos is very sick of the 2250 card **

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** wagnerrp hates the rapping hamsters **

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Beirdo:

hehe, I thought it was funny

[20:34:44]

Beirdo:

lame, but funny

[20:34:59]

wagnerrp:

lame but painful

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** Beirdo actually used that as one of his nuvexport tests **

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Beirdo:

that and one of the super-lame Coors Light commercials

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gbee:

nichos: probably too specific a joke, in the uk those who repeatedly fail to pay their power bills on time get given a replacement electricity/gas meter which is coin operated, if you forget to maintain a positive balance the power is cut until you put more money in

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wagnerrp:

why couldnt they make ads like the geico military psychologist ad...

[20:35:44]

Beirdo:

haha

[20:35:54]

wagnerrp:

... pansy

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Beirdo:

that one makes me chuckle too

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nichos:

thanks gbee, i wasn't looking for jokes however :/

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high-rez:

gbee: I have a hard time understanding if thats real or a joke but it seems like a good idea. :)

[20:36:26]

nichos:

anyone want to buy one cheap????

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Beirdo:

high-rez: I think it's real

[20:37:06]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: but the PG Ermey just isnt the same...

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gbee:

high-rez: real, although it's gone high tech in recent years, with a pre-paid smart card that can be topped up at corner stores etc

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high-rez:

Wow that would have been totally useful when i was single.

[20:38:56]

gbee:

some people actually prefer those meters because it lets them keep tighter control over how much they spend

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gbee:

wouldn't be much good with MythTV though, come home to find that the meter ran out and nothing was recorded

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high-rez:

That would seem like such a weird thing, to meter your electricity and water consumption.

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Beirdo:

that plus a big diesel generator...

[20:40:29]

stevieman:

is the mythtv-moviedb interface still broken?

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AndyCap:

GuySoft: looks like they can charge money still judging from 2.2 http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/ipr/Pages/policy.aspx

[20:41:41]

wagnerrp:

what is the 'mythtv-moviedb' interface?

[20:41:58]

wagnerrp:

you mean the image downloading from themoviedb.org?

[20:42:03]

wagnerrp:

yes, fixed

[20:42:12]

stevieman:

actually anything downloading for moviedb

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Beirdo:

wow. BDROM drives are getting so cheap!

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high-rez:

.. in what release ?

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gbee:

high-rez: electricity and gas are not viewed as essential, water is though and although some homes have meters they are purely for recording exactly the amount used, you can't turn off the water supply to a home without court orders

[20:42:23]

high-rez:

Beirdo: How cheap ?

[20:42:25]

GuySoft:

AndyCap, :( .. ill ask a friend lawyer when he goes online

[20:42:31]

Beirdo:

$60

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high-rez:

Nice

[20:42:45]

__benny__:

so ticket #8789

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high-rez:

Once libbdplus gets made public I'll consider one ;)

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stevieman:

when I try I get I get title not found even when I lookup the movie's # on the site

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gbee:

Beirdo: yeah, it's great, bought myself one at £40 just a month ago

[20:42:59]

Beirdo:

that's a Lite-On, may not be the most featureful

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wagnerrp:

'for moviedb'... what is 'moviedb'?

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gbee:

high-rez: it's in trunk

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GuySoft:

AndyCap, he should also know stuff like ITU policy.. so it would be interesting to hear 'why'

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Beirdo:

gbee: do they usually double as DVD-RW?

[20:43:24]

gbee:

oh, bdplus .. yeah, not available yet

[20:43:29]

high-rez:

gbee: Hmm, I tried to rip a dvd the other day and I didn't get anything...

[20:43:30]

__benny__:

anyone knows if it's possible to out the text for a QString with gdb ?

[20:43:59]

stevieman:

I'm running myth .22 I believe

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high-rez:

gbee: No i was talking about moviedb stuff with you, the bdplus stuff was pointed at beirdo. You were right hte first time. :)

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AndyCap:

GuySoft: but what are you thinking of with regards to the itu?

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gbee:

Beirdo: some do, the one I got is ROM only, I already have a decent DVD writer so it wasn't worth the extra £15–20 for the models with write capabilities

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GuySoft:

AndyCap, because they are the the ones that do the standards for DVB-T

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Beirdo:

gotcha

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gbee:

high-rez: rip a DVD, or bluray?

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gbee:

everything I've so far bought with one exception plays direct from the disc in trunk

[20:47:10]

high-rez:

gbee: A DVD. E.g. I thought myth would look at some signature on the disk and get all sorts of information like the cover image, rating, etc from some online source ?

[20:47:15]

AndyCap:

GuySoft: I thought that was a separate group?

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wagnerrp:

did the image downloader in 0.22 ever get fixed?

[20:47:27]

gbee:

high-rez: no, has never done that

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high-rez:

Oh, so I'm totally off base then

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high-rez:

:)

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GuySoft:

AndyCap, who would it be then?

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gbee:

0.22? probably not, I backported part of the fix but afaik the rest wasn't backported at all

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stevieman:

So should I just bite the bullet and move to .23?

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high-rez:

Yes

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high-rez:

For supported vdpau support alone.

[20:50:06]

stevieman:

I'm running mythbuntu and the last time I tried an update it killed everything

[20:50:12]

stevieman:

I was non to happy

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high-rez:

That'll probably happen again. But on the bright side its just tv.

[20:50:49]

gbee:

we rarely backport fixes to previous releases

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stevieman:

Try to explain that to a 3 and a half year old who wants to watch Thomas or Backyadigans

[20:51:46]

stevieman:

:)

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high-rez:

Just shake em to he quiets down .

[20:52:19]

high-rez:

s/to/till

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** high-rez ducks **

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Beirdo:

nah. rum.

[20:52:56]

stevieman:

hmmm I didn't even notice the typo, my brain changed to to till automatically

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AndyCap:

GuySoft: these people? http://dvb.org/about_dvb/

[20:53:30]

stevieman:

rum till he quiets down? or rum until I don't care anymore?

[20:53:33]

high-rez:

Clearly you've shaken the kid before (thats what it means)

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AndyCap:

GuySoft: standardisation seems to go through cenelec or etsi

[20:54:05]

GuySoft:

ETSI ןם עוקדד

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GuySoft:

i guess&

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Beirdo:

stevieman: whatever works for ya. Just don't send Child Services over here

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stevieman:

Beirdo: Deal! I don't send them over there and you don't send them over here :)

[20:55:07]

** Beirdo chucks stevieman a bottle of rum **

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** AndyCap goes to call Child Services **

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AndyCap:

:P

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GuySoft:

AndyCap, oh well, they are friends though on the GSC.. :-/

[20:56:45]

high-rez:

This talk of rum is making me think of butter rum

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high-rez:

I am pavlov's dog.

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gbee:

high-rez: fetch me a beer

[20:58:06]

high-rez:

gbee: Sure, but I'll only grab you a crap american beer. Like Bud Light.

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__benny__:

someone said beer :D

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gbee:

high-rez: yeah, ok don't bother then ;)

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stevieman:

if I switch to .23 is auto-transcode going to work?

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bjd:

ooo, where's 8 ball?

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high-rez:

bjd: Tony Montana has all of those.

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sphery:

Beirdo: heh, yeah, so to me it sounds like it shouldn't work, and he has a FRWOP (support collection of EIT data from one video source for populating multiple video sources)

[21:03:04]

Beirdo:

on further explanation, it does seem that way, does it not?

[21:03:37]

Beirdo:

it's a feature request that should get added to the pile as a potentially useful one though

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Beirdo:

but it does seem he has NOT found a bug :)

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sphery:

I'm now asking for clarification. We'll see what the next reply says. :)

[21:06:18]

sphery:

yeah, and note that none of our guide data mechanisms (XMLTV, SD, EIT) allow use of data on multiple video sources--so it would be a very large change to allow it. IMHO, though, use of the listings sources, themselves, is the right solution

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Beirdo:

yup, so I see

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sphery:

I.e. for the "support collection of EIT data from one video source for populating multiple video sources" FRWOP, he could simply use the XMLTV DVB EIT grabber to make XMLTV files

[21:06:51]

sphery:

tv_grab_dvb or something

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Beirdo:

cool

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Beirdo:

sometimes I don't like being in a DVB-challenged area

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sphery:

I'm not sure how you integrate that, but some users have done it

[21:07:44]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: but, you can pick up DVB-S2 right now!

[21:08:07]

high-rez:

Beirdo: I have no problem making DVB work on my toroidal T90 :)

[21:08:34]

Beirdo:

blah blah blah

[21:08:51]

Beirdo:

no availability of a dish... no DVB-S*

[21:08:53]

sphery:

wagnerrp: who's using DVB-S2 here? Just DISH, right?

[21:09:11]

high-rez:

DISH doesn't use DVB-S2. Just a couple of network feeds do.

[21:09:31]

wagnerrp:

oh? i thought thats what the softcammers were picking up

[21:09:32]

Beirdo:

DirecTV is rumored to be considering -S2

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sphery:

oh, do I have things backwards?

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Beirdo:

!trout wagnerrp

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** MythLogBot slaps wagnerrp with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

[21:09:50]

bjd:

DVB-T2 cards would be nice :)

[21:10:01]

Beirdo:

I'd love to have DAB

[21:10:05]

wagnerrp:

i didnt think T2 was a finalized spec yet

[21:10:06]

sphery:

they're listed as using it experimentally in wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-S2#The_DVB-S . . . rade_process

[21:10:06]

high-rez:

wagnerrp: They have a proprietary system thats similar to S2 (8PSK) but different FEC.

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AndyCap:

Beirdo: heh, people here are really hating on DAB.

[21:10:20]

sphery:

Beirdo: everything I've heard about DAB says it's dying out overseas

[21:10:24]

sphery:

yeah, and people hate it

[21:10:26]

bjd:

wagnerrp, my TV has DVB-T2 built in

[21:10:27]

Beirdo:

whay?

[21:10:38]

Beirdo:

why would you hate digital radio? :)

[21:10:40]

AndyCap:

I wouldn't mind DAB though. even got a pci card for it

[21:10:50]

AndyCap:

Beirdo: mpeg-1 layer 2.

[21:10:56]

Beirdo:

so?

[21:11:01]

Beirdo:

better than FM and AM :)

[21:11:10]

bjd:

DAB? you're all weird ;)

[21:11:11]

AndyCap:

Beirdo: so people don't like it because it sounds different.

[21:11:19]

Beirdo:

ah

[21:11:33]

AndyCap:

or the broadcasters got greedy and packed too many channels in

[21:11:36]

Beirdo:

well, maybe the *implementation* sucks :)

[21:11:39]

sphery:

Beirdo: but, hey, we re-invented digital radio with HD Radio!

[21:11:46]

Beirdo:

of course

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sphery:

after all, NIH is king in the US

[21:11:53]

AndyCap:

it would be nice with DAB recievers using aac or something

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sphery:

(and, no, not the National Institutes of Health :)

[21:12:11]

AndyCap:

ah, the national institute of not invented here

[21:12:17]

AndyCap:

or the knights who say NIH

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sphery:

exactly--that's the one

[21:12:22]

sphery:

heh

[21:12:23]

Beirdo:

the US institute of NIH

[21:12:32]

high-rez:

I think the whole NIH thing with the US is a littler overblown.

[21:12:37]

high-rez:

s/littler/little

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Beirdo:

NIH!

[21:13:04]

high-rez:

I think the biggest argument of that (GSM) is totally bogus

[21:13:05]

sphery:

well, ATSC turned out to be a just-modified-enough-to-require-all-new-equipment DVB, so...

[21:13:21]

Beirdo:

anyways, I should dig out an FM tuner....

[21:13:23]

high-rez:

Ok, I'll give you ATSC. :)

[21:13:35]

Beirdo:

ATSC = DVB-T-US

[21:13:38]

sphery:

heh

[21:14:16]

AndyCap:

you people really need to lose the frequency = program id. :P

[21:14:20]

wagnerrp:

128kbps mp2? eew...

[21:14:27]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:14:28]

sphery:

I'll agree that GSM was more a problem of "let the market sort it out" than NIH

[21:14:40]

Beirdo:

OK, I want FM tuner in my mythbox

[21:14:47]

Beirdo:

now look what you made me do

[21:14:52]

sphery:

heh

[21:15:01]

Beirdo:

wonder where that old POS framegrabber went?

[21:15:05]

wagnerrp:

i want an fm tuner in my phone

[21:15:08]

AndyCap:

was an interesting radio chip in elektor recently. :P

[21:15:09]

wagnerrp:

no, i demand it

[21:15:12]

Beirdo:

pretty sure it had an FM tuner too

[21:15:16]

wagnerrp:

and i demand there's one in your phone too

[21:15:22]

Beirdo:

hahah

[21:15:22]

AndyCap:

ooh, what was so hot. my phone has an RDS transmitter. :P

[21:15:27]

high-rez:

sphery: It was more of a problem that we had already standardized on a band (850) and the europeans adopted a band that could /never/ be used (900) by the US because unlicensed devices (e.g. ISM devices) were already on that band.

[21:15:49]

Beirdo:

high-rez: I think you have the chronology backwards there

[21:15:52]

wagnerrp:

and in my pda, and my gps receiver, and my...

[21:16:05]

Beirdo:

GSM being invented in Europe :)

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high-rez:

Beirdo: No, I don't. AMPS came way before GSM.

[21:16:34]

wagnerrp:

ive got an AMPS phone

[21:16:58]

Beirdo:

yeah, and GSM was chosen by lazy carriers to reuse AMPS bandwidth here AFTER Europe chose a different band, no?

[21:17:04]

Beirdo:

not to mention 1800 vs 1900

[21:17:15]

sphery:

high-rez: yeah, but the only changes were the frequency differences between US and global, right? Whereas the GSM vs CDMA was a complete lack of standardization of a national infrastructure.

[21:17:34]

wagnerrp:

big ol' thing, about the size of two bricks

[21:17:35]

sphery:

(and maybe power levels--but still, used the same overall standard)

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** Beirdo likes his GSM phones **

[21:18:16]

sphery:

heh: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-August/295124.html

[21:18:26]

wagnerrp:

cant replace it, they dont sell digital units that hook into my car's data bus

[21:18:34]

Beirdo:

hahah

[21:18:38]

wagnerrp:

cant use it, since no one provides AMPS service

[21:18:39]

sphery:

Beirdo: Me, too. I've always been on GSM services since my first cell phone.

[21:18:42]

** Beirdo points at a newer car **

[21:18:54]

Beirdo:

I had some CDMA hell for a while

[21:18:54]

wagnerrp:

its not /that/ old, bought it in 2003

[21:18:59]

Beirdo:

but GSM++

[21:19:30]

Beirdo:

I really like my 8890 still

[21:19:34]

high-rez:

sphery: I see it more like two different paths of development. AMPS, D-AMPS (aka TDMA), CDMA in the US... The europeans jumped right to GSM, but it can be argued that CDMA was actually more advanced than GSM (which is actually TDMA – GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HS*PA being something completely different – and the latter being based on CDMA principals)

[21:19:37]

Beirdo:

never use it anymore.

[21:19:38]

sphery:

yeah, my 8290 was great

[21:19:54]

Beirdo:

now I am a bandwidth hog of the second degree

[21:20:01]

Beirdo:

first degree being iPhone4

[21:20:09]

Beirdo:

second degree being iPhone < 4

[21:20:10]

Beirdo:

:)

[21:20:26]

sphery:

high-rez: yeah, that is the one saving grace--the LTE is forcing standardization, finally

[21:20:29]

high-rez:

wagnerrp: It was available upto a few years ago. I remember it being finally turned off. :)

[21:20:37]

wagnerrp:

apparently the android users consume far more than the average iphone user

[21:20:51]

Beirdo:

high-rez: did you get to use a trebuchet to dispose of the old AMPS gear/ :)

[21:21:10]

sphery:

wagnerrp: that's because of those apps sending GPS coords for GPS Spy to make available to stalkers

[21:21:13]

Beirdo:

that's how I wanna dispose of old crap

[21:21:15]

high-rez:

sphery: Well, I think that once US carriers (the smart ones) adopted GSM technologies, standardization already was at hand. It was just a matter of having radios that could run on 4+ bands..

[21:21:30]

wagnerrp:

high-rez: yeah, around the time it got turned off, i ripped it out, and considered replacing it with a computer

[21:21:31]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[21:21:42]

wagnerrp:

only to give up when i discovered the audio was only mono

[21:21:52]

high-rez:

LTE is fun stuff though.

[21:22:08]

sphery:

high-rez: fortunately, though, this was one case where politicians couldn't prevent sanity

[21:22:21]

high-rez:

It's a complete deviation from what was being done before (LTE).

[21:22:28]

sphery:

(i.e. those who were trying to push CDMA on other parts of the world that the US was "rebuilding")

[21:22:42]

Beirdo:

Oh, you mean Iraq?

[21:22:45]

AndyCap:

I wouldn't mind 802.11 on 850 or 900 being allowed in europe though

[21:22:46]

sphery:

yeah

[21:22:46]

high-rez:

sphery: Yeah well thats qualcomm for you.

[21:22:48]

Beirdo:

flatten the GSM network.

[21:23:01]

Beirdo:

give contract to friends..

[21:23:03]

Beirdo:

oh wait

[21:23:37]

high-rez:

andycap: You'd mind it right up till the point you couldn't make calls on that fancy n900 ;)

[21:24:13]

Beirdo:

mmm, toys

[21:24:45]

AndyCap:

high-rez: I don't see why that would be a problem, considering the US has 802.11 on 900

[21:25:00]

Beirdo:

?!

[21:25:00]

high-rez:

What's really interesting about LTE is that its pretty much dominated every network. Those who didn't jump to LTE didn't do so only to have a marketing advantage...

[21:25:11]

Beirdo:

802.11 in the US is on 2.4GHz

[21:25:15]

high-rez:

AndyCap: But the US doesn't have any cell phone networks from 902–928mhz...

[21:25:18]

Beirdo:

and 5.0GHz

[21:25:31]

Beirdo:

which one's around 900MHz?

[21:25:32]

wagnerrp:

and 3.7, and 5.2–5.8

[21:25:38]

high-rez:

Beirdo: You can get wireless gear in 900, 2.4 and 5.8

[21:25:55]

Beirdo:

b/g is 2.4

[21:25:56]

wagnerrp:

the real long range stuff operates at 900 and 3.7

[21:26:01]

sphery:

was a using 900?

[21:26:01]

AndyCap:

high-rez: which is why I said 850 or 900,

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Beirdo:

meh, whatever, all the bands are hosed anyways

[21:26:16]

AndyCap:

http://www.ubnt.com/sr9

[21:26:30]

sphery:

guess a was 5GHz

[21:26:32]

AndyCap:

28 Mhz of ISM band

[21:26:37]

wagnerrp:

the 5.x band is still pretty clean

[21:26:41]

wagnerrp:

and theres a crapton of it

[21:26:44]

sphery:

Some earlier WLAN technologies used lower frequencies, such as the U.S. 900 MHz ISM band.

[21:26:54]

sphery:

from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11

[21:27:31]

Beirdo:

right, but no 802.11 on 900MHz :)

[21:27:32]

wagnerrp:

theres like 20 non-overlapping 5GHz bands

[21:27:36]

Beirdo:

just other crap

[21:27:40]

wagnerrp:

instead of 3 in the 2.4GHz band

[21:30:07]

Beirdo:

anywho... meeting time

[21:30:17]

sphery:

Yeah, I liked wifi a /lot/ better before the different routers/APs started configuring different default channels. When they were all set to 11MHz, it was easy for me to find a good non-overlapping channel to use, regardless of what equipment my neighbors (who generally don't know how to change it) got.

[21:30:29]

sphery:

s/11MHz/channel 11)

[21:30:49]

wagnerrp:

and when you see people using channel 4, you just feel the sudden urge to stab them

[21:31:33]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[21:37:41]

high-rez:

sphery: The solution is to just have a bunch of 802.11 APs an pollute the entire spectrum :)

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henrik_:

Is there anyway to have mythfrontend ignore protocol version missmatch? I'm on a svn version of backend with the protocol problem and a fedora frontened

[21:51:40]

wagnerrp:

no

[21:51:46]

wagnerrp:

nor should you ever want to

[21:52:08]

henrik_:

well the backend requires a version i can not have on frontend

[21:52:14]

henrik_:

so I can not use the frontend as it is..

[21:52:15]

wagnerrp:

then you screwed up

[21:52:20]

[R]:

henrik_: hack the code... then again... when it explodes... you get to keep all the peices

[21:52:48]

henrik_:

wagnerrp, I use mythbuntu on backend

[21:52:55]

henrik_:

and fedora11 on frontend

[21:53:02]

henrik_:

the backend is on fixes

[21:53:02]

wagnerrp:

thats fine

[21:53:08]

wagnerrp:

you updated one, and didnt update the other

[21:53:10]

wagnerrp:

thats youre fault

[21:53:27]

henrik_:

well fedora does not offer svn updates

[21:53:44]

wagnerrp:

do they offer new releases?

[21:53:45]

[R]:

pretty sure theres a repo with fixes

[21:53:50]

wagnerrp:

you are running 0.23.1 on your backend

[21:53:54]

wagnerrp:

and 0.23.0 on your frontend

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henrik_:

it has been working flawless from .20

[21:54:14]

henrik_:

yes

[21:54:15]

wagnerrp:

either find your database backup, and revert to 0.23.0, or upgrade your frontend to 0.23.1

[21:54:40]

tgm4883:

henrik_, you will be able to revert to the last version of 0.23.0 probably tonight

[21:54:43]

henrik_:

so there are some yum package for 0.23.1 out there

[21:54:54]

tgm4883:

for mythbuntu that is

[21:55:15]

wagnerrp:

right.. no database changes, so you can just revert the code

[21:55:30]

henrik_:

tgm4883, why are you making a revert?

[21:55:38]

henrik_:

is there a problem with 0.23.1

[21:55:45]

wagnerrp:

henrik_: yes, its not compatible with 0.23.0

[21:55:47]

tgm4883:

henrik_, because 0.23.0 doesn't have the protocol change

[21:55:53]

tgm4883:

and 0.23.1 does

[21:56:08]

tgm4883:

and the protocol change made it into 0.23.0 on our repos

[21:56:08]

wagnerrp:

its an optional revert for people who didnt intentionally update their packages, and dont want to have to update all their systems

[21:56:29]

wagnerrp:

we screwed up on our end, and let a protocol change go through without tagging a new release

[21:56:33]

tgm4883:

wagnerrp, it will actually come across as an upgrade

[21:56:54]

wagnerrp:

but it was fixed within a few days

[21:57:34]

henrik_:

thanks but does anyone know where I can find the 0.23.1 yum package for f11?

[21:57:41]

tgm4883:

not I

[21:59:02]

wagnerrp:

might want to see j-rod about that

[21:59:13]

wagnerrp:

!seen j-rod

[21:59:13]

MythLogBot:

j-rod was last seen 3 days 1 hour 38 minutes 48 seconds ago

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[R]:

is that like a-rod?

[22:00:13]

[R]:

but cooler...?

[22:00:15]

henrik_:

okej.. thx for trying.. that could be a solution, just update the frontend to the right version and all should be fine

[22:00:35]

wagnerrp:

if nothing else, you can always build your own

[22:00:48]

henrik_:

yea I thaught of that to..

[22:00:56]

henrik_:

and looked at a howto...

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henrik_:

but it

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henrik_:

out of my league... I can promis you I will mess out pulse audio etc

[22:01:26]

wagnerrp:

no need for a howto, just takes a standard './configure; make; make install'

[22:01:40]

wagnerrp:

do you have pulseaudio installed?

[22:01:53]

henrik_:

well I think I have removed it..

[22:01:57]

henrik_:

in favour for alsa

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wagnerrp:

if you have the headers, mythtv will build with support for disabling pulseaudio automatically

[22:02:18]

henrik_:

pulse is the standard and it will problebly come back

[22:02:48]

henrik_:

and the headers is something I will get together with the package right svn?

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wagnerrp:

the headers are pulse's include headers

[22:03:21]

wagnerrp:

you may have to install a bunch of dev packages in order to get various headers before you can build mythtv

[22:03:32]

henrik_:

okej..

[22:03:39]

henrik_:

so some howto is to prefere ;)

[22:04:26]

henrik_:

that is why I like yum packages. cause then some realy nice sole who knows what he/she is doing fixed thouse problems ;)

[22:05:26]

wagnerrp:

probably j-rod

[22:06:55]

henrik_:

I will w8 for him then :)

[22:07:26]

henrik_:

thanks for the help. that fronend has not been working for weeks so I'm not in a hurry

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Beirdo:

UPS, don't you fail me!

[22:51:31]

Beirdo:

my second TV is supposed to be there today

[22:51:53]

Beirdo:

UPS tracking has not been updated since Sunday... nice tracking, dolts

[22:52:24]

Beirdo:

and it was last seen in Long Beach, CA. Got a ways to get to Seattle, WA from there

[22:52:45]

[R]:

only 2nd?

[22:53:19]

Beirdo:

I have a 2BR apt.

[22:53:22]

Beirdo:

for one person

[22:53:36]

[R]:

so you should have atlest 4 tvs

[22:53:38]

Beirdo:

when I'm done, I'll likely have 4 TVs

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[R]:

well get crackin

[22:53:50]

[R]:

:)

[22:53:57]

Beirdo:

I am.

[22:54:01]

Beirdo:

getting #2 :)

[22:54:08]

Beirdo:

it's going in the bedroom.

[22:54:18]

[R]:

bedrom aka love shack

[22:54:20]

Beirdo:

and does netflix streaming

[22:54:22]

[R]:

bedroom*

[22:54:30]

[R]:

i want a tv that has the wifis

[22:54:33]

[R]:

or the ethernets

[22:54:46]

[R]:

but only like 30" and cheap

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Beirdo:

this one has ethernet, and you can apparently put a wifi dongle... meh

[22:55:24]

Beirdo:

it's 22" Vizio, BTW. The living room has 32" Samsung, also ethernet

[22:55:42]

Beirdo:

the other BR will be my office... eventually

[22:55:51]

[R]:

22 vizio has the ethernets?

[22:55:52]

Beirdo:

and will need a TV for my fix there :)

[22:55:54]

[R]:

from where?

[22:56:19]

Beirdo:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003DV71DW/

[22:56:20]

[R]:

and what can you do with a 22" tv... besides a lot of quinting

[22:56:22]

[R]:

squiting*

[22:56:25]

[R]:

squinting*

[22:56:28]

Beirdo:

watch TV

[22:56:30]

[R]:

haha

[22:56:35]

Beirdo:

my eyesight ain't that bad

[22:57:15]

Beirdo:

and will mean I FINALLY test the vaapi stuff I keep putting off

[22:57:24]

Beirdo:

as my fit-pc will be my frontend

[22:57:40]

[R]:

does vaapi provide full h264?

[22:57:44]

Beirdo:

oh bah, I shoulda bought a hard drive for it too.

[22:57:52]

Beirdo:

depends on the chip

[22:58:21]

Beirdo:

AFAIK, the GMA500 (which is crappy, but is in my test box) does H.264 and MPEG-2

[22:58:39]

Beirdo:

and maybe something else, which I likely don't care much about

[23:00:00]

Beirdo:

stupid UPS

[23:00:04]

janneg:

vc1 probably, maybe mpeg4 asp (aka xvid)

[23:00:06]

[R]:

Beirdo: does it do upnp?

[23:00:13]

Beirdo:

dunno, but I'll find out

[23:00:19]

Beirdo:

VC1, I think, yeah

[23:00:25]

[R]:

i'm reading their site

[23:00:45]

Beirdo:

as my recordings are either H.264 (majority of em) or MPEG-2, those are the two I care about

[23:01:18]

Beirdo:

the netflix streaming really was the selling point for that TV for me

[23:01:22]

Beirdo:

and 1080p :)

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Beirdo:

dear UPS... where the BLEEP is my new TV?

[23:04:00]

Beirdo:

I'll likely (eventually) put some small flatscreen in the kitchen as my 4th

[23:04:14]

Beirdo:

touchscreen would be sweet

[23:04:17]

Beirdo:

recipes, etc

[23:05:03]

[R]:

you could probably call them

[23:05:21]

Beirdo:

call? What's that?

[23:05:25]

Beirdo:

hheeh

[23:05:29]

Beirdo:

I hate using the phone :)

[23:06:14]

[R]:

this makes me so sad

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[R]:

42" vizio with the internets

[23:06:26]

[R]:

cheaper than my 42" i got 3 years ago

[23:06:32]

Beirdo:

ha ha!

[23:06:38]

** Beirdo channels Nelson **

[23:06:51]

[R]:

?

[23:07:10]

Beirdo:

!trout [R] Simpsons

[23:07:10]

** MythLogBot slaps [R] with a Simpsons trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

[23:07:54]

[R]:

oh

[23:08:03]

Beirdo:

http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-ETP1602C-BK-X0163- . . . /B002VY8OS8/

[23:08:18]

Beirdo:

that would be almost cool... if it were a much smaller screen

[23:08:28]

[R]:

yes, but does it support linux?

[23:08:39]

Beirdo:

N270 Atom

[23:08:43]

Beirdo:

don't see why not

[23:08:56]

[R]:

$700 for a 32"

[23:08:58]

[R]:

thats too much

[23:09:03]

Beirdo:

the *touch* part might not right up front though

[23:09:13]

[R]:

thats what i meant

[23:09:36]

Beirdo:

still. too big for a kitchen counter install, really

[23:10:09]

Beirdo:

i945 onboard video

[23:11:03]

Beirdo:

OK, that's better.

[23:11:19]

Beirdo:

my desktop box was starting to mak funky fan noises

[23:11:27]

Beirdo:

so I punched it... all quiet

[23:12:26]

Beirdo:

who says violence doesn't solve anything?

[23:13:52]

Beirdo:

oh, nice work, Dell.

[23:13:58]

Beirdo:

no supported sensors at all

[23:13:59]

skd5aner:

what does #7252 "do"?

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skd5aner:

I mean, from an end user's perspective – anything noticable/mentionable? Any benefits or items it resolves/fixes?

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: ask elmojo in the other channel

[23:15:15]

Beirdo:

I'm not sure the precise meaning either :)

[23:15:34]

skd5aner:

np, thx :)

[23:19:45]

Beirdo:

hmmm, 7" touch screen USB powered LCD.

[23:19:48]

Beirdo:

tempting

[23:20:24]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: while you're here, mind if I ask a Q about 25657/#6824?

[23:20:32]

skd5aner:

comm detections speedups...

[23:20:45]

Beirdo:

sure thing

[23:20:55]

Beirdo:

fun times :)

[23:21:19]

skd5aner:

I know on certain networks with tickers, ESPN for example, the ticker survives the entire time show and commercial, so many times commercials aren't detected traditionally

[23:21:32]

skd5aner:

can that help with scenarios like that if it's not looking at the bottom of the screen?

[23:22:15]

Beirdo:

doubtful. The net result is: for most methods, it uses lower resolution to commflag in.

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Beirdo:

in particular, 1/4 width, 1/4 height

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skd5aner:

yea, that's the part I was wondering about...

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[R]:

why 1/4?

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[R]:

why not 1/10?

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Beirdo:

for blank frame detection (IIRC), it uses the middle of the screen only (ignores the top 1/4, bottom 1/4

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Beirdo:

1/4 is much much faster?

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Beirdo:

well, I didn't time that

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[R]:

faster than 1/10?

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Beirdo:

but powers of 2 would be significantly faster for most algorithms

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[R]:

ok... then 1/16

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Beirdo:

heh

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[R]:

i can do my powers of 2... muhaha

[23:24:07]

Beirdo:

well, this is how danielk made the patch, and it seems to work

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Beirdo:

it can be tweaked by the interested user :)

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skd5aner:

but, how does it scale it down? wouldn't that take ammount of processing to scale down? Or is it easier to scale down, then analyze than simply analyzing a full scale HD high-bitrate stream?

[23:24:39]

Beirdo:

the latter

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Beirdo:

it's 50%+ faster in my testing

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skd5aner:

in other words, the scaling itself is less compute intense than simply not doing that extra step

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skd5aner:

More is less, in this instance ;)

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Beirdo:

yeah, detection over 1/16 of the pixels is more of a savings than the scaling

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skd5aner:

interesting concept – your idea?

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Beirdo:

now, it's possible that it could get tweaked more

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Beirdo:

nope, danielk's

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Beirdo:

I just shepherded it into being committed and tested it

[23:26:12]

skd5aner:

well, good work you 2

[23:26:33]

Beirdo:

and I'll probably mess with it more after 0.24 for my own uses :)

[23:26:46]

Beirdo:

I may even try 1/16 width, 1/16 height

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Beirdo:

heh

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[R]:

dare i suggest...

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skd5aner:

I misinterpreted it as not necessarily scaling down to 1/4 size, but only using 1/4 of the screen

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[R]:

1/32?

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** [R] laughs manically **

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Beirdo:

but I'm worried it would lose too much

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Beirdo:

you can see in the call to sws_scale where it's rescaling the frame before we use it

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Beirdo:

avformatdecoder.cpp:2966 in the patch

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[R]:

i really hate when the comm flagger goes too far

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[R]:

cuz then i have to actually move my arm

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[R]:

and skip back

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Beirdo:

I've found (so far) that this works as well if not better than without

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[R]:

well tahts good

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Beirdo:

there was one case where it left a local commercial in

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Beirdo:

but it left the WHOLE thing :)

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[R]:

i've seen that a bunch with the curret one

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Beirdo:

and all the other marks were spot on

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Beirdo:

so I think it's doing just fine

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Beirdo:

it's all not an exact science, etc

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[R]:

yeah, freakin tv stations

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Beirdo:

they keep trying to make it hard for us to ignore their ads.... jerks :)

[23:32:33]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: did you have any finicky recordings where the traditional commflag didn't work so well and you were able to show otherwise after the change?

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Beirdo:

not yet

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Beirdo:

I was suggested to try with Intervention

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Beirdo:

I have a couple recordings to test with, but haven't had the time to run the test yet

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skd5aner:

There's one program that, 100% of the time, doesn't play nice with commflags and my wife has to turn if off when she watches

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skd5aner:

Intervention – on A&E I believe

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

OK, that's the one iamlindoro suggested too

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Beirdo:

so I'll run tests against it

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skd5aner:

lol, I didn't even read up to see you type that

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Beirdo:

any other known nasty commflagging shows, I can try as well

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skd5aner:

Another one that didn't place nice recently was Marriage Ref on NBC – not the best quality of shows, but a good test case none-the-less if they are still airing re-runs?

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Beirdo:

let me go tweak my test script and I can run it...

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skd5aner:

s/place/play

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[R]:

skd5aner: people acgtually watched htat show?

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skd5aner:

I know there's others... LOST used to be bad way back in the day, but wasn't really a problem in the last couple of years

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skd5aner:

all in all, it's been fairly robust in most cases for a while

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skd5aner:

Law & Order also used to be a pain sometimes – and actually, technically it still gives me issues about 30% of the time with the start

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skd5aner:

It'll cut off the intro and start after the first commercial break (about 6 mins into the recording)

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Beirdo:

heh

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skd5aner:

so it's like "oh, I guess THAT'S who dies – now I have to rewind and see how that happened"

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Beirdo:

OK, running against one of the Interventions now

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skd5aner:

If you can solve commercial skipping for intervention, even if it's a one-off workaround, my wife will think the next release is the best in years

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Beirdo:

hehe

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skd5aner:

1 single irritant like that which can be solved is worth 100 "general improvements" to my wife – it's all about usability to the non-techies who use myth

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Beirdo:

we'll see how it does.

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Beirdo:

the easiest thing... don't watch such crappy shows :)

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Beirdo:

but wives don't usually like to hear that

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skd5aner:

Just like it's impossible to explain to anyone who's come over to my house and wonders why they can't tune to various channels in livetv because multirec causes problems in live tv – like they really care – they think my "TV is broken"

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Beirdo:

"yes it is, watch recordings"

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skd5aner:

My guests don't always want to watch *my* recordings

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Beirdo:

going at nearly 100fps

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Beirdo:

720p H.264

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Beirdo:

if it's not horribly worse, I call it a big win for me, far less CPU wasted flagging

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skd5aner:

I really hate that philosophy around here... Live TV as a second (or third) class citizen who doesn't belong, but such is that of a PVR community

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Beirdo:

yup :)

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Beirdo:

OMG, did he?

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Beirdo:

a coworker just walked by... and cut one just as he went by my cubicle.

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skd5aner:

yea, it's pretty cool – even if it's the same as before and produces bad cuts, it's STILL a win given the performance increase

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Beirdo:

this means war, and one he will surely lose

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

If I have a specific recording that keeps failing on playback, what is the recommended procedure for troubleshooting? It didn't fail. The filesize is 6GB

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: precisely what I was thinking

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Beirdo:

it's acting just about the same (so far in testing), but significantly faster

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skd5aner:

I should make that more clear... "even if it's the same as before and produce the same bad cuts as the original"

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Beirdo:

and a bit better at cutpoints for me too

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm getting some new HD stations tomorrow

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

CSPAN in HD.

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: mythfrontend -v playback -l /someplace/log

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Beirdo:

ew

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

And thanks for the suggestion.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Beirdo, ew to CSPAN?

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

I don't need MORE resolution on politician scumbags

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Beirdo:

can't we get "Reduced Definition" for that?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Well, it isn't good news otherwise

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I think I get Sundance HD too

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

And TV Guide HD

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Beirdo:

ooooooh

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Beirdo:

hehe

[23:50:09]

Beirdo:

pffft

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Beirdo:

anything useful?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Galavision HD?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Not really

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Beirdo:

Sundance might be OK, I guess

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

This is a two week increase

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Last week I got Cooking Channel HD

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Beirdo:

there we go

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Beirdo:

that's useful

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I suppose.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

It just, nothing I couldn't live without

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

What is a showstopping HD channel?

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Beirdo:

for me? USA or TNT

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I watch far too many of their shows

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I got them

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

That was a good week

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Beirdo:

anything with your favorite sport

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

What channel offers syncronized Linux usage?

[23:52:08]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Wait, not a sport

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Beirdo:

neither is Poker, but it's on ESPN

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Cable TV frustrates me

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Every so often, I think of giving up on it

[23:54:07]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

But if the government gets rid of OTA...

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Beirdo:

then, OMG, you'd have to read books.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Beirdo, I do that too.

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Beirdo:

me too

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Beirdo:

usually on the bus

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I am reading a great one called Waiting on a Train

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Beirdo, e or paper?

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skd5aner:

TWC and VIACOM hate each other, so I'm likely to be the last to get Comedy Central HD :'(

[23:55:34]

Beirdo:

paper

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Beirdo:

there is no substitute

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Beirdo:

and if I drop it into a rain puddle, I'm out $5

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Beirdo:

not $200

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[R]:

skd5aner: hd south park is glorious

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, I have TWC and Comedy Central HD

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: NY?

[23:56:25]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Yes.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

You?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

You may have told me, but I am most forgetful.

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: thought so... I think that's the only market that has it

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Someone is in Seattle

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: no, I'm in "the south"

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, so, you are in with me on the Cablecard DRM disappointment.

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skd5aner:

Damn Yankees and their Comedy Central HD

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skd5aner:

;)

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Beirdo:

Damn Yankees is a good band (was)

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skd5aner:

musical, etc

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Beirdo:

Someone... I'm in Seattle... right friggin downtown at the moment

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skd5aner:

I suppose I'm disappointed in everything that prevents me from using what I pay for

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Beirdo, good musical.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I saw it on Broadway in 92

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, agreed

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Beirdo:

bah to the musical...

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Beirdo:

I mean the band

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[R]:

skd5aner: but your going to do illegal things with it

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[R]:

skd5aner: everyone is... thats why the yhave to lock it down

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Beirdo:

with Ted Nugent and what's his face from Styx...

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Beirdo:

Tommy Shaw?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, illegal? Watching my content is illegal?

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[R]:

GadgetWisdomGuru: evreyone does illegal things with it...

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[R]:

GadgetWisdomGuru: (atleast thats what they want peple to belive)

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skd5aner:

I'm dissapointed in the FCC for not clarifying and enforcing better consumer usage of the firewire ports on STB, I'm dissapointed that the *AAs think we all are theives and need to protect legitmate users from themselves

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