Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, August 14th, 2010, 00:01 UTC

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sphery:

I think gbee is just watching shows with Congressman Boehner in them...

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sphery:

Or maybe he's watching too much Jersey Shore and Snooki

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gbee:

who, what and what now?

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sphery:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/congressman- . . . ck-to,10220/

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sphery:

and http://www.celebuzz.com/jersey-shores-snooki-takes-one-s169031/

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sphery:

just missed kormoc_afk ...

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Azelphur:

justinh: lol woa, I can see what you was saying about xbmc the other day

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Azelphur:

it slows down my quad core 2.4ghz with twin 8800GT's and 8GB RAM

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PMantis:

Anyone using a HVR-1800 card ?

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PMantis:

To clarify, with Mythbuntu 10.04. The page on the wiki hasn't been updated in 2 years

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sphery:

is that the one whose analog doesn't work with MythTV?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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sphery:

kormoc: Does this mean you're back enough to be able to answer a question? If so, do you happen to know MySQL's plans for release of 5.5 stuff after their whole change of release model? Basically, when can I expect the MySQL change mentioned in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8585 to hit General Availability MySQL?

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kormoc:

sphery, there's been no word on that, but it's unlikely for at least another 6 months I'd say

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sphery:

kormoc: thanks... I just set priority to minor, so I was hoping it wasn't going to be released tomorrow. :)

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** Beirdo yawns **

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wagnerrp:

so if weve got 'sound issues, pt 1', does that mean we can expect this to be a 6 episode saga of twists, turmoil, lies, and heroism?

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kormoc:

I'm not interested until we learn who the love interest is going to be

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Beirdo:

win 19

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Beirdo:

dangit I suck

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sphery:

wagnerrp: and I thought it was TNT who knew drama...

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wagnerrp:

a stick of pepperoni

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sphery:

Beirdo: lose 20?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

missed a /

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Meeeee:

hi

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Meeeee:

question can you stream netflix in Mythtv with xebian on original xbox?

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

you can't stream netflix in MythTV at all

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wagnerrp:

thats the densest amount of fail in a single sentence ive seen in a long time

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Meeeee:

whatever

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Meeeee:

grow up

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tank-man:

whatever lol

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wagnerrp:

netflix and linux to not mix

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wagnerrp:

netflix requires silverlight

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wagnerrp:

which is only available on windows and osx

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Beirdo:

I'd suggest not antagonizing those who you ask help from

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kormoc:

Now now guys, play nice

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Beirdo:

kormoc: I was. I just said no :)

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wagnerrp:

and still trying to use an original Xbox for a HTPC is just asking for trouble

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wagnerrp:

its a 733MHz P3, with reduced cache

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wagnerrp:

and 64MB of memory

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Beirdo:

yeah, there is that fun too

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wagnerrp:

it had a lot of graphical power for its time, but now thats far less than your average onboard nvidia chip can muster

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wagnerrp:

and xebian, is that even still actively maintained?

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tank-man:

and its super loud

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Meeeee:

ok well thanks for your help...as for antagonizing...don,t insult people for no reason

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Meeeee:

thanks I won't bother w the xbox

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wagnerrp:

there was good reason

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Beirdo:

it might make a good doorstop

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wagnerrp:

youre trying to use 12yr old hardware for demanding video processing

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Beirdo:

they were fun in their day though

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Meeeee:

ok maybe u think so...my life entails more than linux nerdery goodnight

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wagnerrp:

and yes, it came out in 2001, but aside from the graphics chip, it was an outdated, slow PC the day it was released

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Twiggy2cents:

is anybody using nouveau v 1:0.0.0.16 with mythtv?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: better to stick with the proprietary drivers

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Twiggy2cents:

BTW I asked in nouveau too but they havent answered yet so I figured I would ask

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Twiggy2cents:

wagnerrp, the proprietary drivers are choppy on mpeg, even with vdapu enabled.

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Twiggy2cents:

On the .15 release of nouveau they video was perfect but I didnt have use of the hdmi out on the video card

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Beirdo:

?!

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kormoc:

Twiggy2cents, did you follow the instructions on the drive to enable event polling?

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Twiggy2cents:

huh? its streaming over the network. And it runs perfect with the older version of the opensource driver

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kormoc:

video card choppiness has nothing to do with network

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kormoc:

event polling is a different way to handle the driver frame readiness

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kormoc:

we're *much* more likely to try to help you get the nvidia drivers going then the nv driver

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Twiggy2cents:

okay well I have been in here with problems on this situation and never got them solved. (btw that is in no way an attack just stating that I have tried before)

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Twiggy2cents:

Can you explain the event polling?

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kormoc:

it's a config option that makes the driver much more efficient

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Twiggy2cents:

oh well that sounds like something i need!

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Twiggy2cents:

I had to use a differnt kernel for the latest nouveau, what is the latest released ubuntu kernel?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: nv != nouveau

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kormoc:

Well, whatever it is

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kormoc:

Twiggy2cents, as a fair number if not majority in here are not Ubuntu users...

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wagnerrp:

nv is a limited open source driver developed by nvidia, nouveau is third party

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kormoc:

ahh, fair 'nuff

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Twiggy2cents:

can you shed some light on event polling, a quick google search doesnt bring up much

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sphery:

UseEvents

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kormoc:

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-b.html

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Twiggy2cents:

okay I found it. Now to figure out what kernel I need to revert to

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wagnerrp:

revert to? 180.xx should work with modern kernels

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sphery:

kormoc = Google? but they're not even close to the same spelling... weird

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kormoc is now known as GoogleBot2152085

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GoogleBot2152085:

Your query is my command master

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GoogleBot2152085 is now known as kormoc

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sphery:

GoogleBot2152085: !nouveau

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sphery:

oh, missed it

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** kormoc laughs **

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Twiggy2cents:

I was using a special kernel from a nouveau repo and when I used jockey to install the nvidia driver it wouldnt ever load the nvidia driver

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Twiggy2cents:

brb

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sphery:

I've been telling myself one of these days I'd actually find out where nouveau exists and how far it reaches... Guess I'll have to wait for the next Googlebot

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kormoc:

Keep the dream alive

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wagnerrp:

ugh...

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wagnerrp:

started the evening with my parents' power supply eating itself

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wagnerrp:

swapped out the system into a new one, mobo, ram, drives into a new case and new power supply

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wagnerrp:

then windows eats itself, kills some critical boot file

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wagnerrp:

seems moving one USB device to a new port was enough to cause it to reinstall the drive and ruin everything

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wagnerrp:

and now i cant get it to boot off the install cd for recovery, if theres anything the drive, the system just sits there on boot

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: computers suck

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wagnerrp:

looks like the xbmc wiki gets spammed far more than ours

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wagnerrp:

i cant decide if thats a good thing or bad

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wagnerrp:

surely we dont want the spam

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wagnerrp:

but i wonder what that says about the size of our user base

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wagnerrp:

of course weve got 50% more views, and 3x the page edits

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wagnerrp:

3.5x the pages, 2x the files, almost 3x the registered users

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wagnerrp:

1/5th the admins

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Beirdo:

size... or maturity...

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: there. updated the patch to include a setting to enable/disable the commflag speedup

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Beirdo:

it will be removed for 0.25 (I promise)

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Beirdo:

unless we do another round of commflag speedup in there, perhaps

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kormoc:

Anyone know a Mike Gardner?

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Beirdo:

name doesn't ring a bell offhand

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kormoc:

he tried to connect via linked-in which isn't that unusual, but he marked me as a friend and is connected via cyberknet, so I know he's a myth user at least, just don't know the handle map

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Beirdo:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

oh noes!

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend is pulling 784MB virt, and mythfrontend another 572MB, but my system only has 724MB of memory used

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wagnerrp:

mythtv must be leaking memory in another dimension!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

smartalec

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Beirdo:

RGH

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Beirdo:

argh even

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Beirdo:

I broke it.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

or maybe not

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

I need some decision making help

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

I am thinking about buying this -> http://amzn.com/B000EHWCDW

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mattwj2002:

do you guys think OTA when it works is better than cable for mythtv recording when it works.....the signals seem weak but I am in the South West metro of Minneapolis......I can get a couple of channels with the DB2 with a boaster

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wagnerrp:

you could spend some time at a hardware store and build you own

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wagnerrp:

its a tradeoff

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mattwj2002:

I am not very mechnical though :)

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wagnerrp:

the cable channel is generally going to be recompressed, and at a lower bitrate (lower quality)

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wagnerrp:

on the other hand, it will almost always have perfect reception

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wagnerrp:

and you will likely have multiple subchannels on a single mux, allowing you to get by with fewer tuners

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wagnerrp:

plenty of guides on building those things online

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wagnerrp:

generally with some wood, cheap wire, and coat hangers

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wagnerrp:

fine for an attic

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wagnerrp:

but if its going outside, i would spend some money and make it look a bit nicer

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wagnerrp:

wire lengths and angles are /very/ important

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wagnerrp:

especially when linking together multiple panel receivers

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mattwj2002:

I was thinking of making one of these

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mattwj2002:

http://www.tvantennaplans.com/

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mattwj2002:

but I don't know how I would cut the wood?

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mattwj2002:

:-s

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wagnerrp:

no saw?

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt use wood anyway

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wagnerrp:

just get some metal conduit, and dielectric standoffs

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mattwj2002:

well I live in an apartment

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wagnerrp:

guess you dont want a dielectric, just something that insulates

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wagnerrp:

the 'coat hanger' variant is just the dirt cheap model

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wagnerrp:

you could build something that looks very similar to the commercial model for maybe $15 at a hardware store

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mattwj2002:

I need something that is easy to build and picks up great

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waxhead_:

ok.. being slack here, got a new drive to set up, what FS to use?

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waxhead_:

xfs?

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waxhead_:

this will be the video disk, not OS etc

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waxhead_:

xfs it is..

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waxhead_:

:)

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waxhead_:

if I have to move files like videos and subsequently the path changes, can I just do a replace of the path name in the videometadata table?

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waxhead_:

oh... seems not.. Just need to setup the SG

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trumee:

guys, what is this, Client speaks protocol version 23056 but we speak 56!?

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trumee:

is there a change in protocol from 23 to 23.1?

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bjd:

Yes, think so

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trumee:

i have installed mythtv from https://launchpad.net/~john-hoyt/+archive/0.23

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trumee:

anybody knows how can i install 0.23 and not 0.23.1 in ubuntu karmic

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trumee:

The backend is running on a another machine with 0.23

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at0m:

hi, anyone have an idea a) why the mpg recordings from pvr1/250 have messed up timecode and b) how to fix these – ideally on existing files and maybe set up upcoming recordings better so they don't need a fix after?

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at0m:

found some ffmpeg trick, but that involves copying over to another file, which would be quite cubersome on 1TB of video...

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at0m:

the timestamps are ok for the frontends' internal player, but it screws up jumping in Win mplayer and on my 2 network mediaplayers (mg350 and eva700)

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at0m:

extract from mpginfo @ http://pastebin.ca/1916416

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at0m:

timestamp at kind of random positions indicates 0.400400 instead of actual position

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milan:

anyone using 0.21? I have problem with video manager, not geting info and poster. I updated to tmdb.pl as on myth wiki.

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waxhead_:

milan, is there a log file that gives you an indication of errors?

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waxhead_:

milan, maybe mythfrontend.log?

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milan:

no it just stopped pulling poster and some info

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milan:

it all worked maybe for an year

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milan:

sorry for my english

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RogerM:

Anyone know about any software that can check to see if a mpg-video(ivtv recorded) has vbi/wss embedded?

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Brad-D:

hey guys, what's the best way to share drives between mythbackends? NFS?

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wagnerrp:

NFS

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wagnerrp:

for recording i presume?

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Brad-D:

actually just transcoding and ffmpeging

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Brad-D:

maybe recording in the distant future, but for now just extra cpu cycles

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wagnerrp:

transcoding, you need NFS as no one has written in mythproto file support

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wagnerrp:

although there really needs to be a 'move file' command in mythproto before that happens

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wagnerrp:

ffmpeg, nothing we can do about them

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wagnerrp:

but you shouldnt run slave backends without a tuner

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wagnerrp:

also, you dont need to, just run mythjobqueue

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Brad-D:

gotcha, i didn't realize it would handle my own script user jobs as well

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Brad-D:

silly me

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wagnerrp:

its the same exact jobqueue as runs in the backend

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Brad-D:

so just do the nfs mounts, so they both have the same file structure, and run mythjobqueue

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wagnerrp:

yes, they must be mounted in exactly the same location

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Brad-D:

will there be any issue if i mount remote drives from another computer on the mythbackend computer for extra recording storage? I have a 1gbs network

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wagnerrp:

could be, usually not

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wagnerrp:

more depends on what remote protocol you use, and how its set up

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wagnerrp:

more realistically, it just has to be 'not completely broken'

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Brad-D:

okay, and by remote protocol you mean nfs vs smb?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

either should work with sane settings

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Brad-D:

for mythjobqueue, i setup the general settings in mythtv-setup, should i be setting up the storage directories on this machine as well? Or not necessary?

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Brad-D:

and this is for the secondary extra cpu horsepower server

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wagnerrp:

all storage group defines should be done on the master

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wagnerrp:

the only reason to define anything on a slave is for some sort of override

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Brad-D:

do you see anything wrong with this fstab line? My manual mount works fine, but this fstab line doesn't seem to do anything

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Brad-D:

192.168.1.13:/mnt/myth/naruto/drive1 /mnt/myth/naruto/drive1 nfs rsize=1024,wsize=1024,noauto 0 0

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Brad-D:

nevermind, got it from the wiki

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Brad-D:

has anyone ever seen a situation where you mount 4+ remote drives on the master backend, but in the information status screen it sees all 4 as 1 drive (with only the space of the first drive?)

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FransWillem:

Oh, sorry

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stuartm:

FransWillem: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/export/25646/trunk . . . /mythlink.pl

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janneg:

Brad-D: identical drives? all (allmost) empty? NFS?

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janneg:

start writing data to it

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Brad-D:

janneg: yes exactly

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Brad-D:

thanks i will give that a shot

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stuartm:

Brad-D: to mythtv they all appear to be the same drive mounted at four different locations

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stuartm:

we have to weed out duplicates because that causes a lot more problems

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Brad-D:

makes sense

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Brad-D:

on a side note, mythjobqueue rocks, so easy to use

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Brad-D:

thanks for the recommendation wagnerr

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wagnerrp:

Brad-D: yes, normal users dont have sufficient access to a hard drive to read the serial

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wagnerrp:

so they only option mythbackend has to resort to is total and freespace

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wagnerrp:

of course with the extreme unlikelihood that two drives will ever have exactly the same amount of free space

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wagnerrp:

this isnt much of a problem

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wagnerrp:

aside from the event theyre empty

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wagnerrp:

you could pull serials, you could go into /proc and pull the mountpoints to see if any are shared

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wagnerrp:

but then that will break on remote drive mounts

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wagnerrp:

theres no real viable better solution

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stuartm:

other than having mythtv-setup write a small file into each directory that it's configured to use

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wagnerrp:

not sure how that would do any good

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adaptr:

wagnerrp: that's silly. anybody can run df -h.

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wagnerrp:

adaptr: yes, more specifically they could go into /proc, or run the syscalls directly

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wagnerrp:

but that wont work with network mounts

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stuartm:

.mythtv/volumekey.txt containing a unique key which is compared against known_keys retrieved from the other drives

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adaptr:

of course it works with network mounts

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wagnerrp:

you could have multiple network mounts that exist on a single drive on a network file server

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adaptr:

wagnerrp: since they will in effect be the same physical data, that's hardly a problem

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: youre only going to check at the root of a single directory, how would you find multiple directories on the same drive?

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wagnerrp:

adaptr: eh?

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adaptr:

and it's not just in *nix, either – even Windows DFS won't show you the real size of connected shares

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wagnerrp:

i get real disk sizes over samba here

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adaptr:

it's an unsolvable problem when you create multiple shares to the same physical volume – so perhaps... don't ?

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adaptr:

wagnerrp: I did say DFS.

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adaptr:

DFS is indirect. mount points are not on the physical share

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adaptr:

Box1\DFS -> D:\DFS, D:\DFs\share -> box2\share; explorer will only ever show you the space on box1, which doesn't hold any shares

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adaptr:

IIRC samba4 supports DFS now

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wagnerrp:

dont know anything about DFS

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adaptr:

think about a box mounting remote shares and sharing those out again

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wagnerrp:

i dont see the point

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adaptr:

share stability, flexibility, maintenance

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wagnerrp:

so its effectively a proxy server for CIFS

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: not sure I follow, but I'll argue the point at a later date

[15:58:55]

wagnerrp:

stuartm: well argue with Capt'M, i think hes the one who wrote the current code

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adaptr:

wagnerrp: with the difference that once connected, the client connects to the actual share, to avoid incurring a double network penalty

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adaptr:

it's mostly a client redirect to the actual share backend

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wagnerrp:

i think there was a thread last year on -users about it

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sphery:

stuartm: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/280852#280852 + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/280885#280885 + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/280943#280943

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sphery:

(did someone say "there was a thread"? :)

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wagnerrp:

there you go, spherepaedia to the rescue

[16:02:25]

wagnerrp:

adaptr: well anyway, mount points wouldnt work for me either, unless someone were to write special handling for ZFS

[16:02:38]

wagnerrp:

but for that matter, the current total/free doesnt work for me either

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sphery:

why's that?

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adaptr:

I know, and it will always fail when two shares point to the same physical medium. it's unsolvable

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stuartm:

sphery: ok, I'm with it now, think I need more caffeine

[16:05:37]

sphery:

heh, yeah, understandable--it's a case that won't affect many setups (most?), so it's easy to forget

[16:06:15]

sphery:

most people generally just place a single directory from each file system into their SGs, so

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wagnerrp:

sphery: with ZFS, ive got multiple partitions that exist on a single physical disk, and have pooled space

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wagnerrp:

the free space will all be the same

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ah, I see... interesting problem, tnere

[16:06:40]

wagnerrp:

but the total space will be whatever they consume, plus whatever is free

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wagnerrp:

so they will all list different total space

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stuartm:

I shouldn't do this to myself, but I'm working concurrently on multiple features and trying to keep the patches straight (let alone my head) is very soon going to bring me to the point of tears

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wagnerrp:

has the interesting side effect that as you write to one logical partition, the total space in the rest decreases

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so what told you it's an illegal download of a bluray rip

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Brad-D:

does anyone have a guess on whether mythjobqueue would work for me in some sort of vmware instance, so i could add my windows box as transcoding power?

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sphery:

it likely will

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Brad-D:

interesting, maybe i will check it out

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Brad-D:

eeep vmware workstation is 189 bucks, hahaha

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Brad-D:

i thought it would be 60/70

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Captain_Murdoch:

Brad-D, use VMware Server, it can run on top of Windows but doesn't have the fancy UI, it uses a web page and remote console for managing the VMs. mythjobqueue will run fine in a VM, just slower than on native hardware.

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Captain_Murdoch:

stuartm, it gets more complicated when people like me put multiple storage group directories on the same filesystem in order to separate recordings by directory. also, each backend would have to write out its own keyfile to every directory it could touch and that woudl all have to be managed by the master backend to determine who could see what. it was much much easier just to compare total and free space even if it can giv

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Captain_Murdoch:

e false results for a short period of time with identical empty drives until each has some data written to them. feel free to write the code to do it the keyfile way though. :) another idea I had was to have the backends write out a semi-random amount of (kilo? mega?) bytes to each directory in order to handle the identical empty drive situation.

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stuartm:

Captain_Murdoch: I trust that you and sphery have given this a lot more thought than I ;)

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Captain_Murdoch:

I admit I took the easy way out. :) it was a 95+% of the way there thing that is 100% as soon as you start recording to those drives.

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Captain_Murdoch:

well, 99.9% as soon as. :)

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bjd:

mm, in theory would a DVI -> Component/RCA cable actually work?

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adaptr:

if it includes DVI-A, sure

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bjd:

so, if it's DVI-I it would?

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adaptr:

sure

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bjd:

OK, thanks – reckon I've got a dodgy cable then

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wagnerrp:

sphery: the fact that its using AAC

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wagnerrp:

no optical media uses AAC

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wagnerrp:

and whats the point of buying bluray instead of dvd if youre just going to (spend several days to) recompress from h264 to... h264

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wagnerrp:

and if youre not going to recompress, going from 2–3mbps HD audio to 256kbps AAC is just foolish when you have that beastly 30mbps video multiplexed in

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sphery:

ah, makes sense

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wagnerrp:

either way, (IMHO) br-rips should not be using AAC

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sphery:

so it was compressed down to a "more-bandwidth-friendly" bitrate, and the only sane reason to do so would be to distribute via illegal downloads

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wagnerrp:

correct

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sphery:

just wondered since I didn't see anything in the logs that looked suspicious--but I was looking at it from a much higher level than you

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wagnerrp:

no, nothing that looked suspicious

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wagnerrp:

but in the event that nothing explicitly says 'pirate', i give advice as if they had legitimately purchased that bluray

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mardok:

Does anyone know why I can play dvd's, but when I try to rip, it says "no jobs and nothing else to do. you could rip a dvd"?

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sphery:

mardok: UI obscurity

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sphery:

takes a while to figure out how to start it (unfortunately I don't know how because all I ever did was try it once to figure it out some time over 4 years ago)

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stuartm:

some very small improvements have been made since

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stuartm:

mardok: check the settings, for whatever stupid reason, the play device (say /dev/dvd) is a separate configuration item to the ripping device so it might be that it's not set correctly

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stuartm:

although that might have changed, I can't remember

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stuartm:

that UI needs a re-write, device selection should be done from a list on the ripping page

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mardok:

+stuartm: There's no option for setting the ripping device

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Pluribus:

Thank you all again, 0.24 is shaping up to be a great release.

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Pluribus:

I hate miracle cures, but will take them when I get them :-)

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grnbrg:

Just upgraded from 0.21.0 to 0.23.1... Very happy. The new version works out-of-the-box with the DNLA upnp features of my new Samsung TV... Are you listening, Google? :)

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Pluribus:

Congrats. Big jump, lots of changes between those two versions

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grnbrg:

One question: Is there a way to jump to an arbitrary spot in a recording? "Arbitrary Seek" /sounds/like the right thing, but it doesn't appear to do anything....

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Pluribus:

You mean like a bookmark?

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grnbrg:

Yeah, but without having set one.

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grnbrg:

On a DVD player I can say "jump to 0:17:35" and go there.

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Pluribus:

Not that I have seen (but I havent looked for it) I am just a user not one of the devs

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Pluribus:

I can see where some it would be useful for some folks.

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RogerM:

Dont think myth can do such jumps. Nothing I've seen anyway and a feature I'm not using that much. Using the 10-minute jumps instead. :)

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justinh:

that's not arbitrary IMHO. More like absolute :)

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justinh:

and yeah you can do it

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justinh:

but you have to enter the time in minutes/secs I think. e.g. time, then press INFO

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kormoc:

17<info> jumps to minute 17

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kormoc:

justinh, how do you do seconds?

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justinh:

I dunno, maybe it just allows minutes

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kormoc:

yeah, I can't seem to figure out seconds

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Pluribus:

Cool, learned something new today :-) Myth amazes me with something new at least once a week :-)

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justinh:

I've not known about the absolute jump for long

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kormoc:

yeah, I never use it

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RogerM:

me too. Cool feature.. Somehow I've learned my fingers to not use the number pad since I thought it had features coded into them. Nice..

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grnbrg:

Interesting.

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xand:

taught.

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** grnbrg still wonders what "Alt-T" — "Arbitrary Seek" toggles. **

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grnbrg:

Source was too opaque.

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RogerM:

wife just tested. Seconds not working. :)

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kormoc:

I bet if you asked on the -users list folks will know or be able to say for certain if it's not coded as such

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Pluribus:

Trunk Build Question: should I, or shouldnt I do my builds of trunk with --compile-type=debug? What are the general downsides of making that my normal build type (other than a ton more space)

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** grnbrg has been amused by google while looking for an answer at the number of people with open MythWeb pages inviting gigabytes of griefing... **

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Pluribus:

There are a lot of them.

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kormoc:

grnbrg, current mythweb installs or old ones?

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grnbrg:

Hrm, not sure.

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kormoc:

I've added code that should prevent any new ones from being indexed, so I'm hoping it's only old ones

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Pluribus:

Yeah, google index over mythweb == BAD when it hits the delete links :-)

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grnbrg:

http://www.hdtvhtpc.com/mythweb

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kormoc:

yeah, that's old

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grnbrg:

Hrm, mine appears to be accessible, but is password protected...

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grnbrg:

kormoc: Any comment on the arbitrary seek conversation?

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grnbrg:

Erm.

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grnbrg:

Duh.

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** kormoc blinks **

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grnbrg:

Yeah, I think I need a nap.

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stuartm:

grnbrg: arbitrary seek means that you can trigger that action, followed by a number e.g. 5 and it will jump 5 minutes forward in the recording

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stuartm:

ARB_SEEK + 15 = jump forward 15 minutes

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stuartm:

there is supposed to be a combo that permits you to just to "end of recording – T", but I haven't a clue what that is

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justinh:

yeah arb seeking only has minute skipping, no seconds or hours

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justinh:

float time = ((seek / 100) * 3600) + ((seek % 100) * 60);

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justinh:

see, I was intruiged enough to look in the source :)

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grnbrg:

Nice. Thx.

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stuartm:

fwiw that same behaviour can be reached by entering the number and pressing FFWD or something (left/right normally)

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justinh:

erm, I thought there was a difference

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justinh:

like if you do NUMBER then INFO it jumps to the absolute location

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justinh:

but NUMBER & right will go NUMBER mins forwards

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justinh:

and NUMBER & left would go NUMBER mins back

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grnbrg:

justinh- Yeah, that's what it looks like.

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justinh:

actually both kinds of seek can only do minutes

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justinh:

arbitrary & absolute time jumps :)

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grnbrg:

Also, number<info> is immediate. number<ARBSEEK> waits for the UI to time out.

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justinh:

anyway, if you were to add a feature to allow more control – i.e. H M S you'd nark a few people

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justinh:

;)

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justinh:

unless you were to dream up some nifty key incantation to allow H M and S to be entered

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FransWillem:

Is anyone still familiar with MythTV 0.21? Parents are still running it, and don't have time to upgrade (afraid I might break something)

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FransWillem:

Whenever they watch recorded TV, all is well, but when they watch live TV, the screen gets corrupted a lot. It appears to be part of the recording, as the same corruption always occurs when you rewind a bit

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FransWillem:

Anyone know what this might be? it happens on all two frontends, as well as the backend

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grnbrg:

Sounds more like an issue with the capture card.

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FransWillem:

grnbrg: Happens on all three capture cards (WinTV 150 and two 500s), and it doesn't happen with recordings, just with livetv :-/

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FransWillem:

So unless the firmware is bugged, I doubt its the capture cards.

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grnbrg:

You could go on context, and interpret MMMM MMMMM:SS HHH:MM:SS, depending on the separator.

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FransWillem:

?

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** grnbrg ran 0.21.0 up until about 12 hours ago with a PVR-500, with no issues. And (other than the time to compile) found the upgrade to 0.23.1 painless. **

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grnbrg:

(Previous conversation...)

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FransWillem:

grnbrg: I intend to upgrade at some point, but I'm only here for one day, if something goes wrong I don't have time to fix it, so i'll wait till I have more time.

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grnbrg:

Nodnod.

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FransWillem:

But yeah, it used to work fine, but now it's very predictable, and if they want to watch TV, they first have to start a recording and then go watch that, that's the only way to watch "live" tv without the corruption :/

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** grnbrg is not an expert. :) **

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FransWillem:

I figured maybe it's a HD problem, but smartctl short scan gave no errors whatsoever, and no errors in dmesg

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grnbrg:

Live and record use the same recording profile?

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FransWillem:

Hmmmm, let me check that

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grnbrg:

I can see setting a "live" profile w/ higher badndwidth, overwhelming something.

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FransWillem:

Hmmm, where can I find the recording profiles?

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grnbrg:

TV Settings.

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FransWillem:

hmmm

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FransWillem:

only difference was that default had width set to 720, whereas the livetv had it set to 480 :/

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FransWillem:

Changed that

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FransWillem:

and no corruption so far :S

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grnbrg:

That will do it.

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FransWillem:

Seems to have fixed it, thanks! :)

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FransWillem:

I'd been googling for this for several months now :p

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** grnbrg now recalls having to figure that ou years ago. **

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FransWillem:

I actually intend to buy a popcorn hour for my parents, with only a very basic record only mythtv setup, precisely for these reasons...

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RogerM:

yes.. the 480 default was a nemesis for me for some time too. :)

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FransWillem:

btw, is this a system wide setting, or should I change it on each frontend seperately ?

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RogerM:

It is a frontend setting..

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RogerM:

or..

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RogerM:

actually it has to be an backend setting. since it is recording profile?

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** grnbrg shrugs. I'd guess FE. **

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stuartm:

IIRC we changed the default to 720 in 0.22

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FransWillem:

Meh, I really want to upgrade, but it probably means a dist-upgrade for Mythbuntu, and I'll have to re-make the diskless frontend images :(

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FransWillem:

last time I did a dist-upgrade the whole box refused to boot

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RogerM:

It has to be an frontend setting. Just ignore me. :) http://mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detailed_c . . . ing_Profiles

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FransWillem:

and I remember the horrid times of making diskless images

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RogerM:

Never have tried the diskless way. I do like my new SSD install.. Mythbuntu starts in less than 30 seconds including BIOS screen. :)

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FransWillem:

heh, would love to try that, but parents are cheapskates :p

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justinh:

RogerM: my frontend starts in about 25 sec from HDD :-)

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FransWillem:

anyway

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FransWillem:

thanks for the help

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FransWillem:

it's really appreciated :)

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RogerM:

yeah.. I did go with the intel(?) SSD since I know that is good hardware.

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justinh:

my frontend HDD is just an old one out of my laptop

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justinh:

didn't tweak the boot process any either

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RogerM:

justinh: hehe. :) Well.. I guess my starts more around 20–25 too.. but compared to what my old box did it's a dream. :) and it is a more quiet.

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justinh:

I just went with a laptop hdd cos it'd run cooler. my lc02 case sucks

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grnbrg:

Heh. My BE is on an old Fedora Core 6 box. I had to build from source. And Qt, too.

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grnbrg:

Qt took almost 4 hours to compile.

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grnbrg:

Both it and Myth were /very/ clean builds, though.

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kormoc:

Ugh

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kormoc:

Anyone who runs h264 material in 16 bit color mode is insane

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RogerM:

must be almost unwatchable?

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kormoc:

Yeah, the colors are horrible

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Pluribus:

Dangit, cant wait for a fedora distro to ship alsa-drivers 1.0.23... Updated front end need to rebuild drivers again. (I REALLY should learn not to do that)

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Pluribus:

(Need 1.0.23 drivers for HDMI Audio on the NV GT2xx cards)

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stuartm:

I'd consider an SSD for boot but looking around you can't get one under 30GB from the usual sources and at £2 per gig that's just not good value, I'd snap up something between 8–16GB upto £25 since that's more than big enough

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grnbrg:

Why not a 16G CF card and a PCI CF adapter?

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grnbrg:

Google prices that at ~$50.

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stuartm:

well that particular option isn't good for a mythtv box where you want all the PCI slots for tuners, none of my mythtv boxes actually have free PCI slots

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grnbrg:

Hrm... CF -> SATA is also available.

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stuartm:

I mean it's an option, but then so is a USB flash drive, I'm not sure whether I'd trust either to have the speed for the database

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grnbrg:

SATA will probably do the speed, assuming the CF is fast enough....

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grnbrg:

Unless you're doing something ridiculous, DB throughput should be fairly low anyway.

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grnbrg:

I don't think I'd do USB anyway.

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grnbrg:

You might also consider mirroring if you do a DIY solution.

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** grnbrg has a mirrored root on his BE. The data store can Go Away if it has to, but I don't want to lose the database of "what have I seen before?" **

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grnbrg:

Do you need a DB on the FE?

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** grnbrg notes to no one in particular that a section in the BE config to schedule DB backup dumps every X days, and keeping the last Y copies might be nice for the n00bs who wouldn't know a cron job if it bit them.... **

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kormoc:

patches welcome

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grnbrg:

:)

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stuartm:

"Unless you're doing something ridiculous" ... welcome to MythTV, our scheduler query is the definition of ridiculous

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stuartm:

and so is the daily insertion of guide data (or every 5 minutes if you use EIT)

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stuartm:

there's a reason we use mysql and not something like sqlite :)

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kormoc:

stuartm, -users thread?

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stuartm:

kormoc: grnbrg in here, 18 minutes ago

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Beirdo:

hehe

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RogerM:

I looked at the query once and had nightmares for a week after. :) The person who invented is must be a very gifted MySQL developer or slightly insane. :)

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Beirdo:

RogerM: or started as one, and ended the other

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kormoc:

whoops

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kormoc:

Which reminds me, I need to finish my patch to optimize the unique grouping

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RogerM:

well.. I know it is way over my head.

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kormoc:

Nah

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Beirdo:

kormoc: don't go too insane in the process :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

just the right amount of insane will do

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kormoc:

nothing we do in it is complex, it's just verbose and extensive

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** RogerM is thinking of trying to do some translating.. looks like the .se needs some loving. **

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** RogerM is looking at nicks wondeful translations-status-page **

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kormoc:

Leave it to a English spy to be able to translate tons of languages

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Beirdo:

hehe, well, my soon-to-be commit will add two more strings to translate

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stuartm:

translations status page?

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kormoc:

unofficial, http://www.insidethex.co.uk/mythtv/translation-status/

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stuartm:

ahh, he did what I never got around to, great :)

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stuartm:

shame he can't spell

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RogerM:

hope it will someday be good enough to become official..

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stuartm:

we could make it official tomorrow, I just need to drop him an email

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kormoc:

Yeah

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kormoc:

"If it's yellow, you're doing very well, and if it's green, you're golden."

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kormoc:

Isn't that backwards

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Beirdo:

nice

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kormoc:

if you're golden, you're yellow, thus just very well and not green

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RogerM:

I think a good translation framwork for doing translations on the web would be a great tool. Takes some of the hassel to begin with translations. Not everyone knows command line-fu.

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stuartm:

that's assuming he's not holding anything against me after I criticised xmltv for a bug that everyone think's is MythTV's fault

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kormoc:

Heh

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kormoc:

I own opentranslations.org with the intent to do that

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kormoc:

one day, when I'm not working...

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Beirdo:

whenever that may be :)

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RogerM:

well.. dont retire then you will have no free time left. I look at my father and he sure has a lot of things to do. :)

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kormoc:

heh

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stuartm:

kormoc: if it helps I can phone up your boss and invent a reason for him to let you go ;)

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kormoc:

uhh... thanks but no thanks :P

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

still haven't heard any objections to committing #6824.

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kormoc:

I object! You don't commit tickets! You commit patches!

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Beirdo:

now that we have it disabled by default

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Beirdo:

hehe, you know what I mean :)

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: how frequently are you regenerating the qm? I'm thinking it should be done more regularly and maybe automated along with the themestringtool run

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Beirdo:

oh WTH am I watching these stupid commercials for?

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RogerM:

you close tickets.. a favourite past time for some I've seen. Opened up my iPod Mail and had over 300 unread messages..

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Beirdo:

Nick is NOT a good channel to watch commercials in

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stuartm:

Beirdo: if it's disabled by default, then there is no reason to object, go for it

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Beirdo:

K, that's what I was thinking too

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Beirdo:

I'll make it default to enabled AFTER we branch 0.24

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stuartm:

well unless it was a stupid patch to begin with :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

it's to speed up commflag

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Beirdo:

and was danielk's invention to start with

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Beirdo:

time for an svn update so I can patch it in and commit

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stuartm:

aye, I know, just didn't want to open up the floodgates with my comment – "no, you cannot commit a patch to add dancing ponies to every screen just because it's disabled by default"

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

gotcha :)

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Beirdo:

you can go make a dancing ponies theme if ya want thoug

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Beirdo:

don't expect anyone to use it, but go nuts.

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, Honestly it only occurs to me as we start to draw close to release

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, I say go for it as well, FWIW, nice job handling a neglected but worthwhile ticket

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Beirdo:

Thanks

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Beirdo:

[25657] has it... as of about 30s ago

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Beirdo:

two extra strings to translate

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** Beirdo hopes Captain_Murdoch gets time to commit the animated gif stuff soon :) **

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RogerM:

nice work..

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Beirdo:

now to remove said patch from my git tree as it's committed :)

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Beirdo:

done

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Beirdo:

now for my next victim ticket :)

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Beirdo:

yay, nothing recording until 10pm

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Pluribus:

Sigh, yet another thing to make me update my builds... and I just did it 3 hours ago :-)

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Pluribus:

Definately want to try the commflag changes :-)

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wagnerrp:

Pluribus: to be fair, the patch has been around in more or less the same form for a year now

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: did you do much improvement? or just the work necessary to make it apply to trunk?

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wagnerrp:

and debugging/testing of course

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Beirdo:

mostly just made it fit into trunk, most of the work was danielk's

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Pluribus:

Hey, I am a very happy camper. (Only one outstanding issue and I got Daniel his requested info today so I am patient on it :-) ) I talk MythTV up everywhere I can. (Best thing for TV since Color)

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Beirdo:

to be fair, it's mostly his :)

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Beirdo:

but it's there now, fun :)

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Beirdo:

why are people spamming trac again, I wonder?

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wagnerrp:

thats some quick work whoever already deleted it

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Beirdo:

it's not like we are gonna leave it

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Beirdo:

heh, that was me this time ;)

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** Pluribus thinks there is a special place in hell for spammers. **

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Beirdo:

especially coming up to releases, we are gonna be watching -commits pretty carefully

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wagnerrp:

i opened it 5 seconds after it showed up in my inbox, and its already gone

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Beirdo:

yup :)

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wagnerrp:

looks like hes been hitting it multiple times over the past couple hours

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Beirdo:

yay. Second TV is on its way

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wagnerrp:

different IPs, different names

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Beirdo:

yah, some people are dillholes

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Beirdo:

Amazon Prime++

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Pluribus:

I think people will be insanely happy with 0.24. The HD audia changes did a world of good for me. Finally allowed me to drop using mplayer.

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Beirdo:

Costco.com had it $5 cheaper after shipping

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Beirdo:

but meh :)

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Beirdo:

this is free 2-day instead of $15 3-day or whatever

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Beirdo:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003DV71DW

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

0.24 should be great. I'm sure we'll have SOME bugs, of course

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Beirdo:

but we'll do our best to minimize em

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Beirdo:

I think #5897 is next on the chopping block

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wagnerrp:

what is 'ubuntu 10.2'?

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Beirdo:

I gotta find me some pictures in my gallery that will let me test this

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: dunno. :)

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Beirdo:

10.02 doesn't exist, and neither does 10.20

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Pluribus:

Oh no software is without bugs. The trick is just to kill the serious ones :-)

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Beirdo:

I don't think even 10.04.2 exists

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wagnerrp:

s/kill the serious ones/roll them into 'features'/

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Pluribus:

LOL

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Beirdo:

that's not a bug, that's a feature! ship it.

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wagnerrp:

this chad oppliger needs to burn

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Beirdo:

now now...

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wagnerrp:

ive got like 5 detached threads in my -users folder

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Beirdo:

he can just disappear.. :)

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wagnerrp:

because his mail client doesnt do threading properly

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Beirdo:

yeah, tis anoying

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kormoc:

I'm so confused about the claims that hd audio makes a huge difference

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wagnerrp:

every mail he sends starts a new thread

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Beirdo:

well, he also uses a digest, then replies to the digest

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kormoc:

if the source audio isn't HD, you can't get better... If it's HD, just pump it raw into the receiver and let it play...

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wagnerrp:

now see, digest users shouldnt be able to send mail to the list

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Beirdo:

go, stuartm :)

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stuartm:

huh, what did I do now?

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Beirdo:

digest users should be able to send email, but they need to get a clue first

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Beirdo:

stuartm: just the extra cleanup of commflag/comm detect

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wagnerrp:

doesnt the digest come as a single email?

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Beirdo:

I hope what I just checked in didn't make more work for that (eek)

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt think it would have the information to properly fill out the header

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Beirdo:

yes, the digest comes as a single email, but all of the subject lines are there

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Beirdo:

that's all you really need

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Beirdo:

there is no real "threading" in email, unfortunately

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Beirdo:

if you want that, use NNTP

[21:43:51]

kormoc:

Gmail threading is done on the in reply to message id header fields

[21:44:10]

wagnerrp:

yeah, theres a unique ID that refers to previous emails

[21:44:15]

Beirdo:

yeah, and that's not a required header :)

[21:44:21]

stuartm:

ah, yeah noticed those whilst going through the en_gb translation, Nick reverted a whole bunch of changes I made :(

[21:44:28]

wagnerrp:

but almost everyone uses it

[21:44:30]

kormoc:

the TO is not a required header, nor is the subject

[21:44:37]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:44:46]

Beirdo:

kormoc: well, yeah, technically :)

[21:45:01]

wagnerrp:

just the occasional homebrew webmail program, or ancient email program ignores it

[21:45:13]

wagnerrp:

which means threading /usually/ works

[21:45:17]

Beirdo:

but hey, if you're going to be actively replying to a mailing list, why the heck are you using a digest?

[21:45:42]

** RogerM notices that lirc is creeping into kernel.. Not sure how much of it though but it finally looks like happening.. **

[21:45:54]

Beirdo:

not 100% sure, but I think that mailman keeps messageIDs in digests

[21:46:06]

wagnerrp:

RogerM: not exactly lirc

[21:46:10]

Beirdo:

so there should be the info required to generate the reply-to

[21:46:26]

Pluribus:

kormoc, The hdaudio changes actually allowed the internal player to play all my mp4 videos. That is why it makes a ton of difference.

[21:46:42]

wagnerrp:

Pluribus: would that be... mp4 videos with 5.1 AAC?

[21:46:44]

Beirdo:

s/lirc/IR functionality/ :)

[21:46:44]

kormoc:

weird, I've never had one that didn't play

[21:47:30]

RogerM:

wagnerrp: no.. but lots of the drivers seem to be adapted. Thats a big step forward imho..

[21:47:38]

wagnerrp:

mythtv uses the external faad library for AAC playback by default, as it is needed for LATM decoding, used by some broadcasters

[21:47:45]

Pluribus:

I dont have an external receiver so I had to use myths convertion to stereo which never worked previously

[21:48:03]

kormoc:

So why encode into a format you couldn't use?

[21:48:06]

Pluribus:

wagnerrp, EXACTLY

[21:48:06]

wagnerrp:

if you use that to play 5.1 AAC, you will get slow audio

[21:48:30]

wagnerrp:

if you use the built in conversion routines, it presents a different audio format to the player, bypassing this issue

[21:48:35]

Pluribus:

The hdaudio changes in trunk corrected it all :-

[21:48:53]

wagnerrp:

or you could just recompile to use the libav decoders and handle the issue properly

[21:49:01]

wagnerrp:

or you could just not use AAC in your rips

[21:49:06]

wagnerrp:

i assume you need it for PS3 support?

[21:49:26]

kormoc:

PS3 would handle stereo AAC feeds just fine

[21:49:28]

Pluribus:

Nope, I just used nero to rip my entire video library and the default was 5.1 AAC

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** Beirdo scratches his head **

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Beirdo:

GalleryScaleMax... is set how?!

[21:50:22]

Pluribus:

and I dont want to re-rip 400 movies.. Hey as I said the 0.24 HDaudio changes work great for me

[21:50:25]

wagnerrp:

database tinkering

[21:50:46]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: oh, that's just lovely

[21:51:02]

wagnerrp:

(just a guess)

[21:51:04]

kormoc:

Pluribus, meh, it's a simple ffmpeg script to re-encode them all, but whatever

[21:51:20]

Beirdo:

this patch adds another value for it, but I don't see any way of setting it

[21:51:22]

Pluribus:

but to what?

[21:51:23]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:51:27]

wagnerrp:

wait, is it the ffmpeg decoders or the faad decoders that cause the problems?

[21:51:39]

wagnerrp:

faad seems to be disabled by default

[21:51:50]

Beirdo:

or maybe it's in mythgallery in a menu?

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Pluribus:

Actually it is the FFMPEG ones, I have to enable libfaad to make the work.

[21:51:58]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, I always used faad and never had the issue, even with apple provided trailers

[21:52:10]

kormoc:

Pluribus, so it's unrelated to the HD audio changes then

[21:53:11]

wagnerrp:

i think its the FAAD ones that cause the problems

[21:54:16]

Pluribus:

Trust me. I had to use mplayer until the hd-audio branch got merged to trunk. After that, MOST things worked. I still had to re-enable libfaad to correct the last few. It was suggested that I try and work with the FFMPEG guys to fix the rest but got nohere.

[21:54:23]

Pluribus:

er nowhere.

[21:54:35]

Pluribus:

I havent touched mplayer since

[21:55:18]

** kormoc shrugs **

[21:55:34]

kormoc:

All I know is I've been using 5.1 AAC files in myth just fine from at least 0.20 on

[21:55:49]

Pluribus:

But you use a receiver ?

[21:56:03]

kormoc:

nope

[21:56:16]

Pluribus:

just stereo mixed by myth?

[21:56:18]

kormoc:

analog stereo output

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** Pluribus scratches his head. **

[21:56:42]

kormoc:

mixed by alsa

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Pluribus:

That is EXACTLY what I had. Maybe nero did something wacked.

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Pluribus:

The guy who did the hdaudio branch suggested that I try it, and it corrected my issues. Very weird.

[21:58:06]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: do you use ccache on your gentoo ebuilds?

[21:58:15]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, yes

[21:58:30]

wagnerrp:

i should get that set up...

[21:58:34]

Pluribus:

Good evening gents. Need to run and get more storage.

[21:59:52]

wagnerrp:

i wonder if distcc would have any benefit

[21:59:56]

RogerM:

evening..

[22:00:11]

wagnerrp:

probably not, i would only be adding a single 2GHz core

[22:00:20]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, yeah, not worth it

[22:00:36]

wagnerrp:

any more and i would have to futz around with cross compiling

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wagnerrp:

meh, would only be worthwhile if i start doing multiple builds a day

[22:02:40]

wagnerrp:

the 15-min for a single build maybe once a week isnt worth it

[22:03:16]

Beirdo:

oh blah

[22:03:31]

Beirdo:

so this patch works

[22:03:43]

Beirdo:

but there is no way I can see to tweak said setting

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Beirdo:

short of db tweaking

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Beirdo:

oooh, I take that back

[22:06:37]

Beirdo:

now I need to find what button triggers FULLSCREEN

[22:07:09]

Beirdo:

W

[22:07:21]

Beirdo:

wonder if I have the mapped to my remote :)

[22:08:02]

Beirdo:

not yet

[22:08:32]

wagnerrp:

the BadContent page is just a list of regular expressions, right?

[22:08:42]

Beirdo:

I believe so

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Beirdo:

bingo. working

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wagnerrp:

heh... weve got a blanket ban from anyone in china

[22:16:57]

Beirdo:

and another old ticket bites the dusts

[22:16:59]

Beirdo:

dust.

[22:17:31]

Beirdo:

had that sitting there for a while, hadn't tested it. Easy and simple to test, and useful... in it goes

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Beirdo:

OK, next victim... #5176

[22:26:12]

wagnerrp:

that one's going to take a long time

[22:26:36]

Beirdo:

why?

[22:26:38]

Beirdo:

L(

[22:26:40]

Beirdo:

:)

[22:27:05]

Beirdo:

yeah, it will be one of the many things that need to be redone when we rehash mythgallery to be mythui compliant

[22:27:08]

Beirdo:

but...

[22:27:33]

wagnerrp:

you have to produce a realistic speex profile for Ken Burns' voice.. and write the whole interface to make speex say out the metadata behind each image

[22:27:46]

Beirdo:

hahaah

[22:27:51]

Beirdo:

ummm, yeah.

[22:28:06]

Beirdo:

silly wagnerrp

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Beirdo:

now the fun part will be if we want to use fdlib

[22:29:16]

guysoft42:

hey, in the trac system – is there a way to mark that i supplied new info?: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8770

[22:29:50]

wagnerrp:

you cant, no

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guysoft42:

someone must have listened just now.. :)

[22:33:55]

wagnerrp:

yes, someone

[22:34:10]

guysoft42:

wagnerrp, just saw who it was..

[22:34:11]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:34:15]

wagnerrp:

:)

[22:34:48]

** Beirdo waits for this stuff to compile **

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guysoft42:

we have an ongoing joke in our FOSS community about 'someone' . when ever anyone says 'someone' should do X

[22:37:09]

Beirdo:

to me that means whoever said it just volunteered themselves for the task :)

[22:37:52]

guysoft42:

Beirdo, im not sure how to translate it

[22:38:22]

blizzard_:

non-mythtv-question but still possible to answer in this forum

[22:38:24]

guysoft42:

Beirdo, it has a military service reference in it

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blizzard_:

Im booting my mythtv htpc with the audio connected via the optical port. As soon as the soundcard module is loaded I get a clicking sound in the speakers which continues in mythtv till I chose to watch something and "something else" is played

[22:39:36]

blizzard_:

anyone got an idea what to do/search for?

[22:39:39]

guysoft42:

Beirdo, anyway, now just everyone calls liorkaplan 'someone' he is our only Debian developer

[22:40:04]

Beirdo:

heh

[22:40:36]

guysoft42:

blizzard_, does it do that without the optical port? (not that i really know about those ports)

[22:43:51]

RogerM:

blizzard_: It almost sounds as the soundcard isnt fully setup. Does the same happen if you play something with mplayer or xine?

[22:47:35]

blizzard_:

guy, spdif only

[22:47:59]

blizzard_:

same with other programs as well, so it's not mythtv specific

[22:48:11]

blizzard_:

and it begins before mythtv is initiated

[22:48:30]

blizzard_:

tho, I was hoping that others has had the same problem so it would be an easy question to answer

[22:48:56]

blizzard_:

as soon as I initiate "real sound" the clicking goes away

[22:49:08]

RogerM:

blizzard_: no.. not via spdif.. I'm outputing via hdmi and I do not have this problem. Maybe see if there is any more recent drivers for the soundcard.

[22:50:24]

blizzard_:

hdmi isnt an option for me since I dont have hdmi in my reciever =/

[22:51:33]

RogerM:

Mine doesn't either. :) But luckily I have a digital out(coax) from my TV and that solved a lot of problems for me. :)

[22:51:41]

blizzard_:

soundcard is intel_hda so it should be really broad usage base

[22:53:12]

RogerM:

blizzard_: what kernel version are you using?

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** RogerM thought he also had intel_hda but when checked it was a realtek. So proprietary drivers was needed. :( **

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blizzard_:

2.6.26 but I want to keep it "packaged"

[22:54:33]

blizzard_:

yeh, Im digging in that direction atm

[22:54:51]

blizzard_:

there's alot of intel_hda cards, and there's options to be specified to the module load

[22:55:04]

blizzard_:

I think the solution might be there

[22:55:15]

RogerM:

blizzard_: quite old then. What distribution are you using? (I'm at 2.6.32. Mythbuntu 10.04)

[22:55:23]

blizzard_:

debian stable

[22:55:56]

blizzard_:

I have several frontends connected and I want to keep them within the same dist if possible

[22:56:14]

blizzard_:

had one build on ubuntu and you'll get problem when one dist upgrades mythtv and not ther other

[22:56:15]

RogerM:

blizzard_: ok.. 2.6.32 will be in next release. When I was using debian I was using testing since I kept compiling my own kernel all the time.

[22:56:22]

blizzard_:

not really that compatible =)

[22:56:35]

blizzard_:

yeh

[22:56:41]

blizzard_:

I got several custom kernel machines

[22:56:53]

blizzard_:

but a simple htpc is easier if it goes with the packages =)

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RogerM:

blizzard_: well you could wait till Debian 6.0 is released. Whenever that is happening. :) But I would probably try to do a custom kernel. Best thing with mythbuntu is the fast boot times..

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RogerM:

blizzard_: you could try a liveCD to see if that experience the same problem.

[22:59:36]

blizzard_:

its in freeze so shouldnt be so far away

[22:59:45]

blizzard_:

roger: did that, same problem

[22:59:51]

blizzard_:

Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)

[23:00:16]

stuartm:

ah debian users, why don't you just hack off your arms and legs instead?

[23:00:27]

RogerM:

Same kernel as now? or was that one using a newer kernel?

[23:01:33]

blizzard_:

naah

[23:01:39]

blizzard_:

tried ubuntu

[23:01:47]

blizzard_:

so the kernel was .3x

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blizzard_:

stuart: cant, need em for the remote

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blizzard_:

=)

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stuartm:

glaciers move faster than Debian

[23:03:39]

RogerM:

blizzard_: I could be a bug you should drop by the audio-people and ask them. A workaround would probably to record a silent sound our some "start up audio" that you played as soon the audio was initialized. :)

[23:04:25]

blizzard_:

yep

[23:04:29]

RogerM:

stuartm: companies loves debian because of it. Then they dont have to spend so much time upgrading all the time. (once or twice a year is waaaay to many for some)

[23:04:40]

blizzard_:

gonna dig a bit further into this hda_intel is several sound cards first

[23:05:00]

blizzard_:

roger indeed,

[23:05:03]

blizzard_:

debian is stable

[23:05:07]

blizzard_:

in debian stable

[23:05:18]

blizzard_:

if you want stable and newer packages, go for the testing branch

[23:05:30]

stuartm:

you mean Debian Stale

[23:05:44]

blizzard_:

only for a few years =)

[23:05:50]

** RogerM is lucky enough to be working in the educational bussiness. A tad more receptive to change. **

[23:05:55]

blizzard_:

tho, depends what you want to use it for

[23:06:08]

blizzard_:

as a laptop, prolly not the optimal choice

[23:06:14]

blizzard_:

if you want a rock solid server, why not

[23:06:20]

Beirdo:

you mean ubuntu :)

[23:06:28]

stuartm:

Debian is fine for business/server use, but I'm baffled why anyone would chose it for a media centre where you usually want the latest kernel, codecs etc

[23:06:47]

blizzard_:

stuart: why?

[23:06:59]

blizzard_:

you want your tvcard to work

[23:07:11]

blizzard_:

and when it does, dont mess with it =)

[23:07:24]

blizzard_:

and for newer codecs etc, use the debian-multimedia repository

[23:07:38]

blizzard_:

tho you will get alot of more updates to your system

[23:07:57]

stuartm:

blizzard_: you're the one in here unable to use spdif :)

[23:08:04]

Beirdo:

yeah, to catch you up to soemthing not stale

[23:08:19]

blizzard_:

stuart: had the same problem with ubuntu

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RogerM:

I like debian but testing moved a bit too much. Ubuntu is debian.. almost so I feel real home there.

[23:08:27]

blizzard_:

and ubuntu is alot more agressive on the packages =)

[23:08:29]

stuartm:

generally drivers only get better, not worse, same can't always be said for userspace apps but still

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blizzard_:

however, I think my problem is related to the hardware/modules

[23:09:13]

blizzard_:

I prolly need to specify exactly which type of hda_intel

[23:09:14]

RogerM:

the worst thing right now in mythbuntu 10.04 is the flashplayer thing. Keeps crashing mythbrowser. Looks like an qt4-webkit that is a bit too old.

[23:09:35]

Beirdo:

screw flash

[23:10:21]

RogerM:

Beirdo: until webkit supports <video> and WebM/etc and sites starts using it then we're stuck with it. Unfortunately...

[23:11:10]

stuartm:

anyway the point is that two types of users generally end up in here with serious issues, gentoo users because they think they know better than us what args to use when building and debian/rhel/centos users because they are permanently years behind everyone else

[23:12:08]

blizzard_:

card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: ALC883 Digital [ALC883 Digital]

[23:12:10]

blizzard_:

Ah, =)

[23:12:35]

blizzard_:

so the hda_intel card is actually a realtek anyways =)

[23:13:06]

RogerM:

blizzard_: Maybe you also need the proprietary drivers too. :) Jump over there and look.

[23:13:41]

blizzard_:

already halfways there =)

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stuartm:

and the conversation usually goes along the lines of "Them: I'm using debian/rhel/centos but mythtv isn't working!; Us: Use something more recent; Them: But debian/rhel/centos is more stable!; Us: So it's working then?; Them: No ... but it's stable!"

[23:15:26]

RogerM:

stuartm: Good there are some good myth-sentric distributions out there that works then. Atleast if you choose one that has some active people on it.

[23:15:33]

stuartm:

meanwhile the rest of us are quite happily using a cutting edge distro in production apparently with fewer issues ... ironic huh?

[23:15:49]

Beirdo:

wha?!

[23:15:58]

Beirdo:

OK, this is why it's not doing it :)

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: thanks for the regexp :)

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** Beirdo is an eediit **

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Beirdo:

eediot

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wagnerrp:

assuming it follows the same syntax as python

[23:19:19]

stuartm:

seems to be working

[23:19:29]

wagnerrp:

been watching the spam monitor?

[23:19:41]

wagnerrp:

i saw youve been updating it all day

[23:20:01]

wagnerrp:

heh... a full page full already

[23:20:10]

RogerM:

I think I found an untranslateable string while just browsing in linguist(for the first time). How do you work with these? Copy: tr(message.toLatin1().constData()));

[23:20:11]

stuartm:

yeah, keeping an eye on it because it's been very busy

[23:21:00]

wagnerrp:

would adding those as spam to train the bayesian filter be of any worth?

[23:22:08]

stuartm:

wagnerrp: I've done some of that, but I'm trying to keep variety in what I feed it and a lot of that spam is the same

[23:22:59]

RogerM:

Are any of you any translating experts? I got this while running lupdate on trunk:

[23:23:15]

RogerM:

settings.h:829: circular inclusion of /home/roger/mythtv/trunk/mythtv/libs/libmyth/mythconfigdialogs.h

[23:23:56]

RogerM:

settings.h:830: circular inclusion of /home/roger/mythtv/trunk/mythtv/libs/libmyth/mythconfiggroups.h

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stuartm:

I really don't know how well that bayesian filter will work, it's not well implemented, the text suggests that clicking on 'mark as spam/ham' should send it to train the filter but it doesn't appear to be hooked up so you have to manually copy/paste instead

[23:24:31]

stuartm:

RogerM: what's the string that can't be translated?

[23:24:44]

stuartm:

"tr(message ..." ?

[23:24:59]

stuartm:

because that would be a bug, that shouldn't end up in the .ts file

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RogerM:

stuartm: it is in libmyth/backendselect.cpp. String: "Please enter the backend access PIN"

[23:27:27]

RogerM:

stuartm: there is no way for me to translate that one..

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RogerM:

stuartm: lupdate give me a couple of warnings too(two of them is above)

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stuartm:

ah, ok, I'll fix that

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natanojl:

RogerM: Translating into swedish? If so maybe we can cooperate.

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RogerM:

stuartm: thanks.. When do you think there will be a string freeze?

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RogerM:

natanojl: that would be greate. Looks like it is about 22% untranslated. :)

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RogerM:

natanojl: the more eyes that sees a translated string the better.

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** RogerM has one of those keyboards that keeps misspelling now and then. :) **

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natanojl:

Nice! I have done some translations already that I could your way

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stuartm:

RogerM: probably after the feature freeze, mid-late September

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stuartm:

majority of strings will remain the same between now and then, but there may be minor changes, additions/removals

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RogerM:

stuartm: great. I looks like major changes have started slow down so maybe it is time to start looking at it.

[23:39:05]

RogerM:

natanojl: Good. Maybe we could coordinate so where not doing work twice and/or discuss things.

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stuartm:

hmm, those translation steps in the wiki are missing updating themestrings.h

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kormoc:

high-rez, Heh, Other distros bug me more then handling Gentoo's oddnesse

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Beirdo:

OK, if anyone cares... #5176.. if you want that patch to be committed, you'd better speak up soon.

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kormoc:

I bet Ken Burns wants it

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Beirdo:

I'm gonna reject it for Sept 1 if nobody objects before then and wants to mess with it

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RogerM:

stuartm: but I thought that you devs ran it now and then?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

betcha he wouldn't care much either way

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high-rez:

kormoc: I think it depends on the application. Gentoo was what got me to move from FreeBSD to linux many years ago. But portage has gotten very stale, and there's been a few things that just drove me nuts. Having my server in the westin building down due to them pulling the only version of udev that'll work with the archaic xen kernel they have was the last straw.

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kormoc:

Well, to be fair, Xen is dead, it's time to move to kvm :P

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stuartm:

RogerM: we do, although not often enough, but the same is true of lupdate and the instructions include running that

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** RogerM notices that QT seems not to have any cooperative functions that would help multiple translators. Maybe should dig into the documentation before I begin. **

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kormoc:

but yeah, I do *a ton* more work now-a-days keeping things up on Gentoo then previously I've had to do

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high-rez:

kormoc: I'll send you the root password and you can migrate all of my DomUs :)

[23:42:07]

kormoc:

a lot more rolling my own ebuilds

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kormoc:

high-rez, I'll send you the bill right back :P

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Beirdo:

the Ken Burns effect is more useful with facial recognition, and fdlib isn't available as source

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high-rez:

kormoc: And then drive to the westin when it all goes up in flames. :D

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Beirdo:

heh, kormoc could walk there if he wanted to

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kormoc:

high-rez, I live and work a few blocks away from the Westin, it's pretty much smack in the middle

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high-rez:

kormoc: I'll trade you for the bill for all of those bad machines I got from your former employer :D

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** high-rez ducks **

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kormoc:

I live in Belltown and work in Pioneer Square

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high-rez:

Nice.

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** kormoc laughs **

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high-rez:

I"m in renton

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kormoc:

Yeah... They're pretty much out of the running these days

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stuartm:

that probably coincides with the downturn in interest in Gentoo, it burned very brightly for a while there but then Ubuntu became the next big thing

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high-rez:

kormoc: You mean SM ?

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kormoc:

Yeah

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stuartm:

with fewer people invested in a distro there are fewer people to maintain it

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kormoc:

which sucks cause the website is still the best one out there IMHO

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high-rez:

I bought 20 machines off of them in ... 2006 or so? That all had their motherboards go bad on em.

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Beirdo:

kormoc: yeah, it's nice.

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Beirdo:

my employer still buys from em

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high-rez:

Like all in one month. It was insane, they gave me new mobos, but I had to go replace em all myself.

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kormoc:

stuartm, The Gentoo Board killed it, they prevented anyone from doing anything until it was board approved and they couldn't approve anything, so it killed the project

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high-rez:

I switched to Penguin after that. They seem fairly reasonable.

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kormoc:

high-rez, that's absurd! You get a 3 year return to depo by default, you should have had to just unrack and drop them off and they'd do all the work for ya :(

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kormoc:

high-rez, We're gonna be buying a pile from PogoLinux this round

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high-rez:

kormoc: I think thats even more work. Would have been out of business if we had done that (it was the startup, whose no longer around) initial bunch of servers.

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kormoc:

rough

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kormoc:

but still, they should have offered to send a tech onsite

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high-rez:

Fun times, startups.

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kormoc:

indeed

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Beirdo:

oh screw it.

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Beirdo:

I'm closing that ticket now.

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high-rez:

I'm happy to be working at a big company where I just open a ticket for hardware failures now. :)

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Beirdo:

if anyone objects strenuously, i'll reopen later

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high-rez:

I object. But not strenuously.

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kormoc:

Beirdo, I'm strenuously attempting to care?

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** kormoc shifty eyes **

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high-rez:

I should be strenuously mowing the lawn.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

high-rez, in this heat? bah!

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high-rez:

And finishing running the ethernet cable to/from my front room tv.

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Beirdo:

too hot out to do anything strenuous today

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kormoc:

I walked past the founders day festival to get lunch, there was like maybe 40 folks out there

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high-rez:

Ehh. Take a little gin, add tonic water and lime with some ice shake it up in a water bottle – and mowing the lawn isn't so bad.

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Beirdo:

heheh

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kormoc:

Gonna make a run on the capital hill block party this year eh?

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Beirdo:

I walked from 18th to 23rd to go to Starbucks, and that was enough for me

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high-rez:

I'm so jealous of you guys who live in the city. The burbs suck.

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kormoc:

high-rez, so move :P

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Beirdo:

so move :)

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Beirdo:

you beat me to it

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high-rez:

Like you know, its hard to get out of a mortgage ;)

[23:50:19]

Beirdo:

heh, true

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high-rez:

We almost bought a condo just up the hill from downtown.

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kormoc:

high-rez, other goodies, 100/100 mbit internet for $60 a month after taxes and fees, 200/200 for $120 and 400/400 for $240, unmetered with a free class C static

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high-rez:

Where's that ath?

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** stuartm hates cities and crowds and people and IRC **

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high-rez:

s/ath/at

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kormoc:

high-rez, condointernet.net has a list of places

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Beirdo:

and another ticket gone

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high-rez:

Insane.

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kormoc:

high-rez, yes, but oh so nice

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natanojl:

Beirdo: I have a patch for mythgallery regarding thumbnail handling that you could take look at :) I can create a ticket if you want to look at it later, http://mythtv.pastebin.com/qVZDwRBj

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Beirdo:

ticket would be good

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high-rez:

If I lived anywhere near downtown I could probably hook an 802.11 AP up at the westin and make due. :)

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Beirdo:

it should autoassign to me

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kormoc:

high-rez, that's basically what that is, microwave from building to the westin and then fiber from there out :)

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high-rez:

Ahh nice.

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Beirdo:

kormoc: your building has that/

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RogerM:

well... It's getting late here.. Night folks..

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kormoc:

yes

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high-rez:

I have some 21ghz microwave gear for that

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Beirdo:

cool

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natanojl:

Beirdo: ok, will do

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high-rez:

The downside to the condo life is not being able to turn your sound system up loud.

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high-rez:

Its the only thing I *really* like about my house (certainly not mowing the lawn)

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kormoc:

Beirdo, it's brand new, I'm running dual connections right now (qwest and condonet) but will drop qwest soon

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kormoc:

and I'm gonna stay in building that have it I think, it's way better then FIOS was

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high-rez:

kormoc: What type of service do you have with qwest ?

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kormoc:

high-rez, you know, I never cranked the music up really when I had my houses, so it's not that much different

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kormoc:

high-rez, DSL

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high-rez:

Right now I have a /23 at my house as I've got a qwest DSL circuit plugged into my own router in the westin. But the speed is just so awful.

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Beirdo:

kormoc: that's sweet

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kormoc:

Beirdo, they're really not kidding about the 100/100, it's absurd

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Beirdo:

I have a /64 and a /48 :)

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high-rez:

Wow someone uses ipv6? ;)

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kormoc:

high-rez, no FIOS in your area?

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Beirdo:

kormoc: yeah, that's really really nice

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high-rez:

kormoc: I wish. Gotta go a little bit north to be in verizon territory

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kormoc:

ahh, too bad

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kormoc:

or easyt

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kormoc:

*east

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kormoc:

I had it in my house in Kirkland

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jduggan:

/23 at home?

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high-rez:

jduggan: Yeah

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jduggan:

its ppl like you wasting our address space, give it back and we have 10more minutes before depletion!

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high-rez:

I only use 2/512's of it though ;)(

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Beirdo:

yeah, I use ipv6 :)

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high-rez:

Bah

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high-rez:

ARIN still have two of my old startup's /16's listed as being assigned to a company that no longer exists and the ASN

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high-rez:

And I'm guessing that's not the only address space they have laying around.

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Beirdo:

so? that will get sucked up in no time.

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jduggan:

it happens, have you made them aware?

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jduggan:

surprised they havent picked it up though

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kormoc:

Beirdo, but if say 10% of the space is dead...

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Beirdo:

then we have a WEE bit more time :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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high-rez:

Beirdo: The company went dead in 2000 ;)

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high-rez:

If they can't figure it out on their own in 10 years? Well what are they doing with the massive ammounts of cash they charge for ASNs and Addresses anyways?

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