Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, August 13th, 2010, 00:02 UTC

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Brad-D:

hi gang. If I have an extra server that I want to use as the comm flagger/transcoder, do I have to run mythbackend on it? Or can I just use mythjobqueue?

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wagnerrp:

mythjobqueue

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wagnerrp:

mythcommflag can be done over mythprotocol

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wagnerrp:

however mythtranscode, and just about any other user job you may wish to run, is going to need filesystem access to the recordings

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Brad-D:

is there anywhere I can get more info on mythjobqueue? I checked the wiki, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythjobqueue, but not alot of info

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wagnerrp:

set it up just as if you were setting up a slave backend for use as a spare jobqueue

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wagnerrp:

just run mythjobqueue instead of mythbackend

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Brad-D:

ahh okay, so i go through the whole mythtv-setup bit?

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wagnerrp:

only the parts that make sense

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Brad-D:

okay

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Brad-D:

thanks wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

obviously you wouldnt be adding tuners or storage

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gbutters:

Unable to watch Live TV on trunk 25612. Anyone else having this problem??

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wagnerrp:

mythtranscode wont actually output uncompressed audio will it? that really just means pass it through?

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smithna:

Hi gang... I am running svn (updated today) with spdif output to a stero reciever. If I set #speakers to 5.1, I get no sound. I get stereo sound if I select stereo. What may I be missing?

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sphery:

smithna: are you using Pulse Audio? I was thinking we only support stereo via pulse

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wagnerrp:

and no passthrough, for that matter (pulse refuses to do passthrough)

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sphery:

gbutters: svn up

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sphery:

they just fixed a Live TV breakage

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sphery:

wagnerrp: but Pulse is the future!

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** wagnerrp goes back to clearing out stoooopid wishes **

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gbutters:

ok

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wagnerrp:

'after i transcode my 2GB pvr250 recordings to 1GB mpeg4 recordings, i want to mega-squeeze them with nuvexport to 400mb xvid recordings'

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wagnerrp:

'what you say? xvid IS mpeg4? what? i can do that already?'

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

'i want a word processor. i want spreadsheets. i want a pdf editor.'

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wagnerrp:

i think these people have been watching too much NCIS and watch them pull up crap with the remotes on the plasmas

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smithna:

no, I'm not using pulse

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sphery:

wagnerrp: mythbrowser http://apps.google.com/

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sphery:

smithna: not even ALSA:pulse

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sphery:

or whatever that approach is

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smithna:

nope, not even ALSA:pulse

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sphery:

ok, so what /are/ you using

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sphery:

(easier than me just guessing about all the possible causes :)

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smithna:

here's what output from log... ALSA: SetParameters(format=10, channels=6, rate=44100, buffer_time=100000, period_time=50000)

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sphery:

what configuration, though

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sphery:

i.e. Audio output device in mythfrontend settings under General settings

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sphery:

the 44.1 is likely the problem

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smithna:

iec958:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0

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smithna:

which is what the new audio find option discovers

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sphery:

yeah, you can't do 44.1kHz with iec958 unless you have a /very/ high end audio device

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smithna:

This was working 3 days ago....

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sphery:

turn it to ALSA:default

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wagnerrp:

'i want to send faxes from mythtv.'

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smithna:

tried that — no soun

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wagnerrp:

seriously people???

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sphery:

wagnerrp: would that be one page per frame of the recording?

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wagnerrp:

sure! make flipbooks! fax them to yourself to watch at work!

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sphery:

lol

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sphery:

guess it would need caption support, too

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wagnerrp:

'add a midnight commander style file manager, with support for multi-part rar archives'

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wagnerrp:

i think i see where that one is going

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smithna:

oh well, bed time — work on this later.

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smithna:

thanks sphery

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Beirdo:

home time, finally

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sphery:

so, another user on the list found "the backend decided to expire over *250GB* of content" but he claims that it wasn't someone in MythWeb doing it

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sphery:

I don't know why people think that Autoexpire just goes crazy

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GreyFoxx:

They forget that they temporarily filled the space with non recordings :)

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: yeah, that's what I'm thinking this guy did

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sphery:

something else was writing a bunch of garbage to disk while recording

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

#6824's testing pretty well so far

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Beirdo:

someone needs to update jamu, or did it not install properly for me, I wonder?

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Beirdo:

! Warning – Mismatched schema version for 'DBSchemaVer': database speaks version 1262, we speak version 1259

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Beirdo:

straight from source

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wagnerrp:

jamu doesnt check schema

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Beirdo:

yes it does

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Beirdo:

jeez

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wagnerrp:

no it doesnt

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Beirdo:

I'm not a retard, I ran it, and it gave that warning

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[R]:

i think its spelled ritard

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wagnerrp:

jamu just uses the python bindings, the python bindings check the schema, and jamu handles any error they throw

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Beirdo:

it may check it through the bindings, but it's checking it :)

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Beirdo:

anywho...

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wagnerrp:

so... update the python bindings

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Beirdo:

how do I give python a non-standard path for the bindings?

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wagnerrp:

you set a different prefix in configure?

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Beirdo:

yes

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Beirdo:

always

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Beirdo:

remember, I install per git branch :)

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Beirdo:

with perl, I have to set PERL5LIB

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wagnerrp:

http://docs.python.org/install/#inst-search-path

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Beirdo:

is there a similar thing?

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wagnerrp:

looks like PYTHONHOME is a supplementary prefix

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wagnerrp:

set it to the same thing you set the prefix to

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wagnerrp:

it will add the proper subdirectory from there

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Beirdo:

or PYTHONPATH maybe?

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wagnerrp:

they both work

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Beirdo:

OK, I'll see here :)

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wagnerrp:

see the link

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wagnerrp:

PYTHONPATH requires a full path to the modules

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wagnerrp:

PYTHONHOME is similar to the prefix

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Beirdo:

much better :)

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Beirdo:

I used PYTHONPATH this time

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Beirdo:

danke

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Beirdo:

there, wrapped it :)

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wagnerrp:

"beyond holding notes on your refrigerator, magnets rarely show up in an average person's daily life"

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Beirdo:

I like my custom wrappers, it's fun

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wagnerrp:

what?

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wagnerrp:

i can name a hundred things in my home of the top of my head that rely on magnets

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Beirdo:

oh really? these people don't use headphones, hard drives, electric motors....

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Beirdo:

whatever

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wagnerrp:

CRTs, microwaves, any form of inductor in an electronic component

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tank-man:

"imagine a world with out zinc"

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

electric generators

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wagnerrp:

yeah, gasoline cars run on magnets

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Beirdo:

you can't make electricity without magnets (short of static discharge) on a large scale

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tank-man:

http://fakescience.tumblr.com/post/597833893/how-do-magnets-work

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: didnt you add an accuweather grabber?

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

and won't unless the TOS works

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wagnerrp:

couldnt comply with TOS?

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wagnerrp:

works?

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Beirdo:

I haven't had time to look yet

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wagnerrp:

ah, leaving the 'wish' in then

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Beirdo:

for now

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[R]:

worst buy will program your logitech harmony remote for ONLY $150... how nice of them

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wagnerrp:

??? the thing doesnt even cost that much

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

the one thats "on sale" costs $300

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[R]:

and if you buy the service with the remote, the total cost is only $420

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wagnerrp:

which one, their 6" touchscreen LCD?

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[R]:

harmony 900

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[R]:

regular $400

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wagnerrp:

the RF ones were always more expensive

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I was just considering getting a universal remote

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I've ended up with too many

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wagnerrp:

i just picked up a pair of 880s for $70 each

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Are the 880s good?

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wagnerrp:

i like them

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I saw Amazon is selling them refurbed.

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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[R]:

i got a radioshack kameleon

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[R]:

i love it

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Any thoughts that might push me over the purchase edge?

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[R]:

but its a bitch to find because they dont sell it anymore

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Wagnerrp, how do you interface it to your Mythsetup?

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wagnerrp:

its an IR remote, what do you mean how do i interface it?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I meant, what IR interface are you using on the computer end?

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wagnerrp:

MCE receiver

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

and there is no lag?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I was reading reviews which implied lag.

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wagnerrp:

maybe a fifth of a second

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

so, nothing noticeable. Good.

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wagnerrp:

its noticeable, but its not bothersome

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wagnerrp:

anyone complaining about lag on a harmony probably doesnt have the intra-key pausing tuned properly

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

And you use the macros, or whatever they call it.

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wagnerrp:

to switch between different devices, yes

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wagnerrp:

it remembers the state of your entertainment system

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm trying to picture how to use that.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

In a MythTV setup

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wagnerrp:

so as you switch between devices, it knows what to turn on, what to turn off, what inputs to select

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Interesting.

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wagnerrp:

and reconfigures the function of the buttons and menu

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wagnerrp:

i dont actually know if the harmony supports macros

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wagnerrp:

it probably does, ive never used them

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wagnerrp:

what i was talking about are called activities

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wagnerrp:

a macro specifically designed to put the system in a desired state

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wagnerrp:

not intended for arbitrary use

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Isn't an activity and a macro the same thing? A series of commands instead of one?

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wagnerrp:

its a special purpose macro

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Yes

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wagnerrp:

a macro just blindly runs a sequence of commands

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wagnerrp:

this conditionally runs a sequence of commands

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Understood.

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sphery:

Well, it's been proven beyond a doubt--MythTV just deletes 250GB of recordings for no reason.

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sphery:

at least, since MythTV is guilty until proven innocent, and with some user's you just can't convince them it was something else...

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sphery:

This is why so many users in the past (0 before this one) have had problems

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kormoc:

the open mythweb guy?

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wagnerrp:

no, someone new

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sphery:

this guy says it wasn't his mythweb

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sphery:

and he quoted one line from the log showing MythTV expiring 2.5GB of recordings

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sphery:

so extrapolate from there, and you can see how it would delete 250GB

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wagnerrp:

it deleted a hundred files

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wagnerrp:

clearly we have to take his word on that one

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sphery:

Of course, he hasn't show any of the MythWeb logs he said had no indications of any such activity

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sphery:

and he hasn't even shown the backend log showing mythbackend deleting all 250GB

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Beirdo:

why would he show mythweb logs

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Beirdo:

I wouldn't either :)

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wagnerrp:

the backend deleted his logs

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Beirdo:

but backend logs... that's another story :)

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kormoc:

what's the thread subject?

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wagnerrp:

its the last one listed in the archive

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-August/294872.html

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Beirdo:

have to find me a 720p to commflag test in a few hours when the box calms down

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sphery:

Beirdo: just saying that he's the only one who's seen the mythweb logs, so all we can do is take his word that it wasn't someone accessing it through MythWeb

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

I hear ya

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sphery:

anyway, I asked for logs

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sphery:

we'll see what happens

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Beirdo:

yup

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sphery:

I'm just a little fed up with the "until you can prove that it wasn't MythTV" or "until you can prove that my configuration is wrong, I'm going to blame MythTV" approach to things

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Beirdo:

heh

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kormoc:

there's also settings for max age

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Beirdo:

then you need a break from lusers

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sphery:

yeah, Jim S mentioned those

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sphery:

he says he doesn't have autoexpire instead of delete enabled

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sphery:

Beirdo: yeah, I do

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Big_D_271:

Seriously.. anyone using SVIDEO out on nvidia card successfully ??! ... please help if you are,, you'd save me a ton of money/headache :D

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Big_D_271:

VESA driver works.. but not the "nvidia" driver

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Beirdo:

maybe your card is too old?

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Beirdo:

you really don't expect us to read your mind, do you?

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Beirdo:

what model of nvidia card are you talking about?

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Beirdo:

!trout Big_D_271

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** MythLogBot slaps Big_D_271 with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Big_D_271:

um... sorry ... 9500 GT

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Big_D_271:

PCI

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Beirdo:

should work then

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sphery:

Big_D_271: this won't help with the saving money part of your plan, but VGA/DVI/HDMI are /much/ easier to set up--so you could get a new TV

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wagnerrp:

you know, people complain about new games being short, old games werent very long either

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Big_D_271:

sphery yeah... been trying to avoid that for about 3 weeks now while trying to get svid ...

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Big_D_271:

checking bestbuy.com as we speak :(

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

amazon.com is likely better prices :)

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sphery:

Big_D_271: well, you can make S-Video work, given enough time and effort (I did it once 6 1/2 years ago)

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Big_D_271:

not with shipping to Hawaii !

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

Big_D_271: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1916169

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Beirdo:

well, that's what you get for living in paradise

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sphery:

probably Amazon Prime doesn't apply there?

[03:35:11]

Beirdo:

quite likely not

[03:35:25]

Big_D_271:

i'll see... sometimes if it qualifies for "free super saver shipping": i can get it here.

[03:35:35]

Big_D_271:

wagnerrp ... checking

[03:35:35]

Beirdo:

it applies in Seattle :)

[03:35:47]

sphery:

anyway, if you really want to save the money, you can do so, but at the expense of time, so you'll have to decide which you have more of to spare :)

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kormoc:

amazon prime will ship free to Hawaii if it's a prime-able item

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sphery:

really... I assumed in HI, you couldn't sign up for prime

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sphery:

that would be a sweet deal there

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Big_D_271:

wagnerrp ... is this svideo? you don't specify in your xorg? or does it care?

[03:37:03]

kormoc:

woah

[03:37:05]

kormoc:

they changed it

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wagnerrp:

yes, my TV is connected through svideo

[03:37:21]

kormoc:

it used to, but now Alaska, Hawaii are both ineligible

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kormoc:

used to be all 50 states

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sphery:

heh, I can understand why they'd change it

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Beirdo:

I bet PR is invalid too

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sphery:

not that it helps the HI, AK people

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kormoc:

(I have shipped free to HI previously, which is why I know)

[03:38:07]

sphery:

"HI AK" people--Salma's entourage?

[03:38:38]

Beirdo:

http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-M220NV-22-Inch-In . . . p/B003DV71DW

[03:38:54]

sphery:

kormoc: what? you're buying Big_D_271 a new TV and shipping it to HI?

[03:39:05]

Beirdo:

hmmm. $30 more than at Costco.com, but free shipping instead of $15.

[03:39:08]

kormoc:

if he prepays, sure :P

[03:39:11]

Big_D_271:

OoooOOoo.. thatnks kormoc :D

[03:39:13]

sphery:

heh

[03:40:05]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I love how all the young whippersnappers on FlashForward have no clue how to adjust the tracking on a VCR :)

[03:40:17]

Beirdo:

that will likely be my bedroom TV soon

[03:40:52]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: why? it says 'Via'

[03:41:02]

** wagnerrp holds up fingers in a cross **

[03:41:15]

Beirdo:

not THAT via

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[R]:

my dad just said hes gonna "sell all the crap you made me buy"... i told him to buy ONE tuner card and see how it was before buying tons of crap

[03:41:32]

Beirdo:

Vizio Internet Application

[03:41:43]

Beirdo:

will let me stream netflix to the TV, etc

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sphery:

which seems to be Vizio's licensed version of Vudu, btw

[03:42:21]

Beirdo:

fine by me, as long as it WORKS ;)

[03:42:23]

kormoc:

Beirdo, you know, that guy hasn't paid me or picked up my 22" samsung, I was shooting for $400 if you're interested

[03:42:34]

sphery:

yeah, I was just surprised to actually see Vudu out there, already

[03:42:43]

Beirdo:

Hmmm.

[03:43:13]

sphery:

kormoc: he has Amazon Prime, so you may have to sweeten the deal?

[03:43:24]

Beirdo:

kormoc: I do like the idea of the netflix :)

[03:43:24]

Big_D_271:

wagnerrp do i need the "monitor" section?

[03:43:25]

sphery:

(like carry it up to his place and install it? :)

[03:43:31]

** kormoc laughs **

[03:43:42]

Beirdo:

hehe, he's close enough to work that wouldn't be all that necessary

[03:43:43]

Beirdo:

hehe

[03:43:52]

Big_D_271:

and/or the "BusID" section?

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kormoc:

sphery, he's free to counter-offer, but built-in streaming is hard to beat

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Big_D_271:

btw guys, i got netflix streaming on the wii... :D

[03:44:33]

wagnerrp:

Big_D_271: each 'screen' needs a 'monitor' to connect to, its used to optionally define the physical dimensions of it

[03:44:45]

wagnerrp:

Big_D_271: the busid is required, and can be found with 'lspci'

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sphery:

yeah, and it's not like MythNetvision is going to get Netflix support

[03:45:08]

Beirdo:

Samsung DOES make a mighty nice TV though. heh

[03:45:11]

Big_D_271:

wagnerrp so should I put something in for my 27" Samsung?

[03:45:30]

wagnerrp:

Big_D_271: it can be blank, but you still need something

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kormoc:

whoops, 23", 720p hdmi, vga inputs, etc

[03:46:08]

Beirdo:

hmmm, I think I like the vizio 1080p :)

[03:46:09]

Beirdo:

heh

[03:46:28]

Beirdo:

I'll pass for now, but who knows, maybe later on for the office :)

[03:46:41]

Beirdo:

if the dude STILL hasn't picked it up

[03:47:16]

sphery:

next thing you know, Beirdo is going to have to write the MythTeleport support

[03:47:38]

Beirdo:

hmm?

[03:47:46]

sphery:

(a version of the "follow me" feature from PlutoHome)

[03:47:46]

Beirdo:

Teleport?!

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Beirdo:

oooh

[03:48:19]

sphery:

they used a bluetooth fob to tell which system you were by and then brought your playback into that room

[03:48:26]

Beirdo:

TV is such an addiction

[03:48:30]

sphery:

yeah

[03:48:35]

sphery:

for us old folk, that is

[03:48:40]

sphery:

I read it on TV.com

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[R]:

sphery: fob?

[03:48:43]

Beirdo:

aye

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sphery:

those young 'uns are into that newfangled Internet

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sphery:

[R]: basically any bluetooth enabled device that would be small enough you could carry it around on your person

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Beirdo:

intarnut?

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[R]:

so it just scans bluetooth and detects when the device is visisble?

[03:50:56]

sphery:

[R]: so like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_fob

[03:51:10]

sphery:

not necessarily something that has to be on a key ring, though

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[R]:

ooo, i have one of those RSA things

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Big_D_271:

wagnerrp is it bad if i get "nvidia failed to set dpms to on for nvidia tv encoder"?

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Big_D_271:

in the Xorg.0.log

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wagnerrp:

DPMS probably doesnt work over svideo anyway

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Big_D_271:

ok

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Beirdo:

sphery: so he JUST upgraded from 0.21 to 0.23?

[03:59:26]

Beirdo:

heh

[03:59:36]

sphery:

which he? the 250GB gone guy?

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Beirdo:

yeha

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sphery:

ah, yeah

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sphery:

could that be related...

[04:00:16]

Beirdo:

I guess it could be

[04:00:16]

sphery:

I don't see how

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wagnerrp:

in other news, John Carmack admits Doom 3 was too dark

[04:00:42]

sphery:

and I recently upgraded from 0.21 to 0.23 and didn't lose any of my 8TB of recordings

[04:00:55]

Beirdo:

oh man, you woulda screamed :)

[04:01:34]

sphery:

heh, well I likely would have figured out what caused it, found myself to blame, then never mentioned it to anyone (so they wouldn't know how I messed up :)

[04:02:48]

sphery:

the one day on the list, someone would post a message like the one we're now seeing, and out of nowhere--even though the user didn't provide anything to lead the reader to the possibility--I would have said, "I'm guessing that ..." and I would have been right :)

[04:03:38]

sphery:

(in other words, there's a good reason that I'm often good at figuring out what went wrong on people's systems)

[04:03:52]

Beirdo:

hehe

[04:04:01]

Beirdo:

experience...

[04:04:19]

sphery:

yeah, nothing teaches like it

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sphery:

heh, in a discussion about how the bad guy knows what the FBI is doing when they're doing it, the captions say, "We have 'em all."

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Beirdo:

captions? I can't get captions :)

[04:08:06]

sphery:

no captions in HD-PVR output?

[04:08:11]

Beirdo:

not for me

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sphery:

if so, thanks for the warning

[04:08:32]

sphery:

I seldom read non-techie books, anymore, so instead I read my TV shows.

[04:08:34]

Beirdo:

it might be due to my source... or who knows...

[04:08:52]

[R]:

if you turn the captions on on your STB then yo uget captions

[04:08:54]

sphery:

yeah, could be we just don't know how to read them yet, too

[04:09:11]

sphery:

[R]: but those would be open captions, right? (like stuck on the image)

[04:09:21]

Beirdo:

if I turn them on in the receiver, they are not on, they overwrite the image

[04:09:29]

Beirdo:

that's not the same as a captions stream

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[R]:

correct

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sphery:

yeah... I like my captions like I like my front door: closed

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[R]:

you can do closed captions over component?

[04:09:50]

sphery:

or my refigerator door :)

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Beirdo:

I'd rather do without them

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Beirdo:

they are part of the analog signal, why couldn't you/

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sphery:

[R]: yeah, probably only using the VBI captions--which may only work on a 480i signal...

[04:10:27]

Beirdo:

it works from a DVD player

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sphery:

I don't know my caption tech too well

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sphery:

that's true... I think they work in 480p, too

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sphery:

but wait, from the DVD it's probably DVD subs, right? not captions?

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Beirdo:

btw... #6824... worked BETTER on my 480p recording

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Beirdo:

it's captions.

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Beirdo:

i.e. the DVD puts out the subs as captions

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Beirdo:

you can enable in either the TV or the DVD player itself

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sphery:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

at least I've always been able to

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sphery:

yeah, sounds like it won't work in HDTV signals, though

[04:13:01]

Beirdo:

possibly not

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sphery:

but should in 480i (and maybe 480p)

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Beirdo:

the HDPVR may just not do it too

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sphery:

I think I'd choose HDTV over captions if I had to, though

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sphery:

true

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Beirdo:

I have :)

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Beirdo:

I usually had captions on too

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

yeah, it's been a long time since I've watched a show without captions

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sphery:

I get really annoyed by some DVDs that only have like French and Spanish subtitles, too

[04:15:31]

sphery:

yes, I'm looking at you SG-1 season 5

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Beirdo:

haahah

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Beirdo:

mythepisod... 0.22 only?!

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Beirdo:

umm, buddy

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Beirdo:

mythepisode rather

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[R]:

omg, i'm reading tucker max

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[R]:

that stuff cracks me up

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wagnerrp:

i havent heard that name in like five years

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[R]:

its pure gold

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[R]:

i read some of it when i was in college

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Beirdo:

Oooh, Trailer Park Boys is my designated 720p recording?

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[R]:

are you asking us?

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[R]:

is it like a poll?

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jpabq:

The hauppauge folks have said they have CC on their HD-PVR TODO list, but I wouldn't hold your breath.

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wagnerrp:

is VBI even passed over component video?

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[R]:

how can you hold my breath?

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wagnerrp:

strong hands and a pillow

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Beirdo:

nah, I'll use Castle from last night

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[R]:

HAHA

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[R]:

wagnerrp: where would it go on a 720 or 1080 output?

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sphery:

Beirdo: isn't tvrage also illegally scraping imdb?

[04:22:32]

Beirdo:

no clue. probalby

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jpabq:

wagnerrp, I believe so, but I have read that it is up to the STB to support it, so....

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Beirdo:

[R] anywhere they wanna put it

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Beirdo:

likely at the top or bottom of the picture

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Beirdo:

in fact, I'd be so not surprised to find it's at the bottom of 1080i where people see odd crap at times

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jpabq:

Beirdo, I believe that is true. The HD-PVR would actually have to decode that, and then re-encode them into the digital stream.

[04:24:58]

Beirdo:

yeah

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sphery:

jpabq: interesting

[04:25:35]

sphery:

I never really thought about it before tonight

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sphery:

good to know what's up with them, though

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Beirdo:

oh yeah

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Beirdo:

I was gonna go look for "Searching for logo" code

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sphery:

Kool-Aid Man ^^^

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jpabq:

On the Hauppauge HD-PVR faq: "Does the captured transport stream contain closed caption data? No, currently none of the VBI is captured in the stream. This feature will be added some time in the future."

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[R]:

if there was data in the picture

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[R]:

woudlnt you be able to see it?

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[R]:

regardless of what the hdpvr was doing?

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jpabq:

[R], probably. It would be in the "overscan" region. The HD-PVR may also clip it off while doing the encode to H.264. I do see some garbage on the edge of my 1080i HD-PVR recordings, if I get rid of all the overscan.

[04:31:36]

jpabq:

I don't notice it on 720p, though.

[04:31:51]

Beirdo:

well... 1080i has 1080 rows...

[04:31:59]

Beirdo:

but H.264 needs 1088

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Beirdo:

so... :)

[04:32:09]

jpabq:

True.

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Beirdo:

there's room for mess at the bottom

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wagnerrp:

so does mpeg2

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Beirdo:

yup

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wagnerrp:

but i didnt think it was actually using those

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wagnerrp:

it was just empty padding to fill out the macroblock

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** Beirdo shrugs **

[04:33:12]

Beirdo:

I need food

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wagnerrp:

especially not on an uncompressed output

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wagnerrp:

where there are no such resolution restrictions

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Beirdo:

I'm wondering if I might wanna try turning OFF logo detection

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sphery:

Beirdo: have you looked on an Apple IIC ? That's the last place I saw Logo.

[04:36:32]

Beirdo:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

used to have one

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sphery:

I used to love Logo, too

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Beirdo:

if you remove the commflag settings, I will have to trout-slap you :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

already have the patch for it

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sphery:

:)

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Beirdo:

completely removing them?

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Beirdo:

bad

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Beirdo:

removing the UI to set them... not so bad

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Beirdo:

but I'll live, I can always hack in locally what I need

[04:39:09]

sphery:

I was just joking

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sphery:

haven't even thought about those settings

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sphery:

there's only a couple of them, anyway, right?

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Big_D_271:

wagnerrp ... if you don't mind.. could you tell me if you notice anything in the log? http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1916191

[04:39:37]

sphery:

like which method to use and whether it can run on a host?

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Big_D_271:

i had to comment out a few things because i am running Arch (LinHES) and I was getting some errors in the log based on some of the modules

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wagnerrp:

Big_D_271: i see nothing

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Big_D_271:

nothing wrong?

[04:41:30]

wagnerrp:

to be honest, i never did actually figure out the magic to get the svideo output working

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sphery:

does he need to have the TV hooked up and no monitor hooked up when booting the system?

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wagnerrp:

i gave up, connected a monitor, and used the nvidia gui tool to set the outputs

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wagnerrp:

probably

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wagnerrp:

no, he doesnt

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wagnerrp:

because i can boot the machine with the TV off

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sphery:

yeah, off, but connected, right?

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Big_D_271:

Hhmm.. yeah, maybe I need to try with the monitor hooked... would i then try dual monitor setup with the tv on?

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sphery:

I'm saying without the monitor

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Big_D_271:

right now i'm booting with only the svid connected

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wagnerrp:

no, plug in the monitor, boot into X

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sphery:

so the only output is the tv

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wagnerrp:

then plug in the tv

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wagnerrp:

open the nvidia gui

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wagnerrp:

set the output to the TV only

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sphery:

yeah, that would be a good way, too

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wagnerrp:

save the xorg.conf, and reboot with the monitor disconnected

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sphery:

that way it is set

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sphery:

and you don't have to read the long readme for the drivers

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Big_D_271:

ok.. I will give that a go ... gotta go grab some grub before round two with this beast :D .. thanks for the tips guys .. much appreciated!

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wagnerrp:

you crazy pacific islanders, eating dinner at 1am

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kormoc:

you crazy east coasters, complaining about 1 am at 10 pm

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

best comment of the day... http://gizmodo.com/comment/27459523

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wagnerrp:

and the image in question... http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/08/blog3.jpg

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sphery:

wonder if Agent Curdy's personal files were ideas for Family Guy

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh

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** Beirdo wonders why he's watching commercials... **

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kormoc:

erm, isn't the equator where time is synced? Goes though Greenwich, no? :P

[05:02:51]

Beirdo:

....?

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[R]:

thats the prime meridian

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[R]:

the equator runs east west

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** kormoc is joking **

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wagnerrp:

[R]: see above links

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kormoc:

you guys think so highly of me

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Beirdo:

hehe, kormoc is American, but he's not THAT ignorant :)

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[R]:

oh...

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I mean, I don't think your education system failed quite THAT badly :)

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[R]:

i was just watching "Are you Smarter than a 5th grader?"

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[R]:

you'd be surprised

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[R]:

Beirdo: do you know what continent the appalacian mountains are in?

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kormoc:

Japan!

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[R]:

oh, thats good

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[R]:

she said south america

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

yeah, the continent of backwoods rednecks

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Beirdo:

go watch Deliverance :)

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[R]:

no, not southern america... she meant the continent south america

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Beirdo:

southern america = south america

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Beirdo:

:)

[05:07:11]

Beirdo:

America is a very large land mass with two continents and a subcontinent

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kormoc:

appalacia is east-center

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Beirdo:

east-center to south USA

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kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachia

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Beirdo:

I'm sure those in Tennesee would be pretty pissed to be told they aint in the South :)

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kormoc:

it's not that far south

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Beirdo:

Alabama and Mississippi are south.

[05:09:04]

Beirdo:

so is Georgia and Tennessee :)

[05:09:05]

wagnerrp:

s/south/deep south/

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kormoc:

yeah, it's not deep south

[05:09:22]

kormoc:

which is what I think of as south

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Beirdo:

ummm.

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Beirdo:

how much deeper do ya want than Alabama or Mississippi?

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sphery:

FL is the North just south of the South

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wagnerrp:

florida doesnt count

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Beirdo:

FL is part of Canada

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wagnerrp:

yeah, theyre almost northerners

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sphery:

heh, and New York and Illinois, it seems

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kormoc:

meh

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wagnerrp:

of course they also have the distinction of having their own tag on fark

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sphery:

though some of the people in the swamps /are/ southerners

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kormoc:

I don't worry bout getting told I have a pretty mouth, so it's not the deep south to me

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sphery:

we just don't see them too much here in civilization

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kormoc:

but then I grew up semi-local

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wagnerrp:

the 'florida' tag is synonymous with 'stupid'

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Beirdo:

when I think of the Appalachians, I think more of West Virginia/Kentucky/Tennessee, but yean, it's a LOT of the eastern US

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wagnerrp:

where else but in florida will you hear about someone impacting their M5 30ft up in a tree at well over 100mph

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[R]:

omg my sister used to live in west virginia

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[R]:

that place was horrible

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wagnerrp:

florida doesnt have cliffs

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wagnerrp:

and yet in florida, they managed to find one, and they managed to accidentally drive off it at 3am

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Beirdo:

heh

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kormoc:

Take me home, country roads

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

I should go to TN again sometime

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Beirdo:

I guess wagnerrp is technically a redneck.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

hehe... xkcd is good tonight

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Beirdo:

Appalachians seem to be pretty close to ya, wagnerrp

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Beirdo:

hhee

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kormoc:

Granted, when the kids of the 15 year old mama's have tramp stamps, that's some solid west virginia

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wagnerrp:

ive got my Appalachian blood in me

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sphery:

Beirdo: heh

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kormoc:

there's some good hiking in the appalacians

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Beirdo:

kormoc: yeah, some really good hiking

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wagnerrp:

my ancestors were hill folk

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Beirdo:

it's a hiking destination... too bad I'm too lazy to hike

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wagnerrp:

from cuba

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sphery:

how can you live in Seattle and not hike

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Beirdo:

I walk some, but I don't hike :)

[05:15:27]

Beirdo:

and I'm a lazy git

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sphery:

but the waterfalls and the mountains and ....

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Beirdo:

aren't in Seattle

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sphery:

yeah, but not far from there

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Beirdo:

they are AROUND Seattle :)

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sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

Free stuff day at C&D, http://www.cad-comic.com/cad//#n2075

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kormoc:

Beirdo, yeah, gonna lose your PWNer card if you don't hike once a year

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Beirdo:

hehee

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Beirdo:

well, I'll be sure to do so :)

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kormoc:

although, you can get a extension on that if you wear socks and sandals

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Beirdo:

just not today

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

that reminds me, must buy sandals

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Beirdo:

in Toronto, I did wool socks and sandals... in the winter

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[R]:

people who wear sandals with socks should be shot

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wagnerrp:

agreed

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kormoc:

[R], and there goes all of Seattle and Portland

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Beirdo:

then stay away from Seattle

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

good riddance... :)

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[R]:

haha

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kormoc:

but the feet, they get so cold!

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[R]:

then wear shoes!

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wagnerrp:

you freaks, wear SHOES

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Beirdo:

screw shoes

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[R]:

sandals are for tropic and deserty locales

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kormoc:

They need to be free! Like the Eagle! The proud American symbol!

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kormoc:

you're not saying you're against the Freedom Eagles are you?

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Beirdo:

now if you said army boots, you'd get another large chunk of Seattle

[05:19:19]

** kormoc eyes the nonbelievers **

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Beirdo:

I'm just about odd enough to fit in here :)

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wagnerrp:

army boots are fine, they can stomp the sandal wearers

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Beirdo:

yer just jealous

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Beirdo:

dunno of what :)

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Beirdo:

Trailer Park Boys time :)

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[R]:

you like watching little boys at the trailer park?

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[R]:

pedo!?

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Beirdo:

you never seen the show, I guess

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[R]:

never heard of it

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Beirdo:

it's friggin hilarious

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Beirdo:

and Canadian

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Beirdo:

I think GreyFoxx has met some of the actors or something too, they are locals

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wagnerrp:

do they make heavy use of duct tape?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

oh lord

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Beirdo:

more of dope, alcohol and cursing

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wagnerrp:

thats no fun

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kormoc:

that show just proves America is superior to Canada

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Beirdo:

duct tape is more Red Green

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Beirdo:

kormoc: not one bit. :)

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Beirdo:

you think trailer parks in the US are any different? :)

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kormoc:

yes, yes they are

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

upstanding communities, all of them

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Beirdo:

I'm sure sphery's seen a few of em

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[R]:

then why come on Cops... the cops are ALWAYS going to trailer parks?

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kormoc:

and I have never tipped a trailer with a truck while drunk

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

ooooh, you wanna be IN the show.

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Beirdo:

Bubbles FTW

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wagnerrp:

53 people have been indited in a lawsuit for illegally downloading gay porn

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kormoc:

ooh?

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Beirdo:

hehee

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wagnerrp:

51 have claimed innocence, saying they thought they were downloading a copy of iron man 2

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Beirdo:

omg

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** kormoc blinks **

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Beirdo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Smith_(actor)

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Beirdo:

heh, Bubbles. :)

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wagnerrp:

he looks like a bubbles

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** kormoc wonders if sphery is watching the show **

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sphery:

which show?

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kormoc:

the meteoroid shower tonight

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wagnerrp:

meteroids dont shower

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sphery:

oh, went out for a bit, but it was too much of a mosquito show

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kormoc:

ahh, sad

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sphery:

yeah... didn't feel like doing the whole Off thing

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Beirdo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Drunk_and_On . . . un_Time_Hour

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wagnerrp:

im too close to the city to see much

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Beirdo:

now that sounds interesting

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sphery:

yeah, that's the other problem... the city is northeast of me, so lots of light from here

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sphery:

now if I went to the beach...

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sphery:

I figure I'll catch it on tomorrow's Astronomy Picture of the Day

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sphery:

(they had one today, too from a couple days ago)

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AndyCap:

Research from Rice University's Department of Psychology finds that if you like what you're watching, you're less likely to notice the difference in video quality of the TV show, Internet video or mobile movie clip.

[05:49:55]

AndyCap:

I'm not surprised. :)

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kormoc:

Rice doesn't research silly, you eat rice!

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kormoc:

I should sleep...

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AndyCap:

kormoc: that's why you send it to the university.

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kormoc:

Rice in my house doesn't last long enough to pack for a trip to the university :P

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banyan:

Hello! On an Asus N61J laptop, what do I have to set the frontend to for a sound output to get anything? Every other program going knows how to make noise come out of this thing but I don't get anything from mythfrontend.

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kormoc:

Well, do you know how the audio system is setup? is it ALSA? Pulse Audio? OSS? OSS4? Jack? ESD? and so on and so forth

[06:06:13]

banyan:

It's whatever fedora 13 does by default.

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banyan:

heh

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kormoc:

it's likely covered in the wiki under the f13 install instructions

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banyan:

I'm thinking pulseaudio because that's the only thing that comes up if I grep the ps for it.

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kormoc:

yeah, you have to disable it

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sphery:

AndyCap: heh, if I like what I'm planning to watch, I'll refuse to watch it on any mobile device with a screen smaller than 15"

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sphery:

though really, I'm happy with any video quality DVD-quality or better

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Virindi:

quality, pfft, who needs that

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Virindi:

much more fun to have shows with a filesize of 700mb

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sphery:

in reality, for me "usability" is far more important than video quality

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sphery:

so a recording that I can time shift and timestretch and pause and ... is far more important than high-quality video

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Virindi:

how does that component hd capture device work now? are a lot of people using it?

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sphery:

fortunately, though, since the US went ATSC, I get the best of both worlds

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sphery:

HD-PVR is quite popular with MythTV

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Virindi:

the last time I looked at it the word was the drivers were buggy, that was a year ago at least though

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sphery:

it's basically the only solution for US satellite TV users and for many cable TV users (at least on a majority of the cable TV channels)

[06:20:14]

sphery:

it's definitely in good shape with 0.23 and above

[06:20:22]

sphery:

probably even with 0.22 and above

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sphery:

(though don't do 0.22--MythTV 0.22 wasn't in that great a shape compared to 0.23)

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Virindi:

I have fios tv, using SD the moment but I'm wondering about maybe upgrading to hd

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sphery:

I will say I don't use HD-PVR, but I hear a lot of good things about them from a lot of people (devs and users) using them

[06:21:26]

sphery:

yeah, with fios, you'd likely need to go that way

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sphery:

unless you're lucky and can get the channels you want with firewire or something

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Virindi:

right now I have two stb units hooked up with the dual ivtv card, it works well

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sphery:

yeah, that's the downside--you'd have to buy 2 HD-PVRs and keep renting the 2 STBs

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Virindi:

$5 more for a "HD" box too last time I checked

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Virindi:

even though it's the same box

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sphery:

:(

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sphery:

sounds just like a cable tv co

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Virindi:

maybe I could get HD on just one of the boxes and continue to use the other one for SD programs

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Virindi:

dunno

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Virindi:

it all seems like a pretty big hassle for the fact that I don't care about quality, really

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sphery:

that's a possibility, too

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sphery:

and, yeah, I never found the quality of my dish network/PVR-x50 combo lacking when I was using it

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sphery:

you don't miss what you don't know :)

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Virindi:

true

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Virindi:

but then I'd have to upgrade my tv storage drive (it's 350gb), etc, more money to spend

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sphery:

once I switched to basically all HDTV, I found that I got spoiled by it quickly (and it helped me clear out my backlock of PVR-x50 recordings quickly--I decided not to watch many shows that I had a lot of catching up in SDTV to do)

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Virindi:

my storage drive is always full as it is, but I had been waiting for lower HD prices and now it is getting pretty ridiculous

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sphery:

yeah, I wouldn't recommend an HDTV system without at least 1TB

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Virindi:

$60 or something will buy me over 1tb I bet

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sphery:

the $99 2TB drives are a good deal

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sphery:

but then add in the cost of HDPVRs, STB upgrades, ... possibly frontend upgrades (to handle decoding high-bitrate H.264), ... and HDTV gets expensive (especially if you also need to upgrade the TV :)

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Virindi:

yeah, the tv, though I mostly watch on my computer

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sphery:

ah, yeah, computer monitors aren't too bad for hdtv

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Virindi:

atm my dedicated frontend machine for the tv is an old laptop I got for free, dunno if it could handle it

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Virindi:

it's like 1.6ghz celeron M or something, from the p4 era

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sphery:

no way that could do HD-PVR decoding

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Virindi:

:\

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sphery:

you'd need something like a 2.6GHz Core 2 Duo or better from what I hear

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sphery:

or a system with a VDPAU-capable video card (new nvidia cards from the GF8x00 or newer generations)

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Virindi:

jeez

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sphery:

yeah, H.264 decode is challenging

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kormoc:

FWIW my 8 core 2.8 ghz xeon doesn't do software 1080i h264 smoothly

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Virindi:

so much for a small system next to the tv then with HD

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kormoc:

nah

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wagnerrp:

oh? i thought requirements for full bitrate were supposed to be around 2.5GHz

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wagnerrp:

on a core2

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kormoc:

I use a mac mini with vdpau for my frontend, that works great

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wagnerrp:

or do the xeons suffer from slower fbdimms?

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kormoc:

800 mhz FB-ECC would likely be why then

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kormoc:

(if ram speeds matter)

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wagnerrp:

i cant believe it matters /that/ much

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kormoc:

or it could be a OS X issue

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kormoc:

720p works fine, 1080 just doesn't quite do it

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wagnerrp:

may it be the deint is not properly threading?

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kormoc:

Virindi, I'm extremely happy with my mac mini as my MBE and Frontend system

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Virindi:

does it max out 1 cpu?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I disabled them

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wagnerrp:

yes

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kormoc:

I'll check

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Virindi:

ah, I'd never give money to the evil apple though :)

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wagnerrp:

the output of the HDPVR is single sliced

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wagnerrp:

meaning decoding is single threaded

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wagnerrp:

which is why the CPU requirements are so high

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Virindi:

transcode it! :P

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wagnerrp:

why?

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wagnerrp:

what are you going to transcode it from?

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wagnerrp:

h264 to.... slightly more efficient h264?

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Virindi:

if that's what you need to actually play it smoothly

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wagnerrp:

from one to the other, youre probably looking at 2–4fps on a high end machine

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sphery:

no, go to low-bitrate, low-resolution (lower-quality) h.264

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wagnerrp:

with x264, you could probably cut it down to 8mbps before you started to notice degredation

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sphery:

though going to MPEG-2 would make more sense

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wagnerrp:

but more importantly, you could slice it up

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sphery:

much easier to play back

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kormoc:

mythfrontend is using 112% cpu and it's rendering about 2/3 realtime

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kormoc:

that said, I wonder if it's cause the monitor isn't 1080 and thus it's scaling the output

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wagnerrp:

at 8mbps, multisliced, you could even manage it on an Atom

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sphery:

kormoc: scaling down?

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kormoc:

yeah

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sphery:

if so, that's quite possible

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sphery:

most scale up fast, but down is much harder

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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wagnerrp:

would think it would be easier

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kormoc:

monitor is a 1280x1024 video is 1920x1080, and the 1280x720 plays smoothly

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sphery:

<- not a video expert, though

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wagnerrp:

i mean however you work it, youre interpolating on fewer points

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wagnerrp:

less time spent

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sphery:

I always assumed it was just that they optimized for the other way and never really paid attention to the down scaling

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sphery:

might be getting better, now, thanks to the "down-res then up-res" DRM ideas

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kormoc:

yeah, 720p played at around 45% cpu usage, I can't imagine 1080 is that much more intensive

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sphery:

I've actually had some video cards that could /not/ down-res a video to screen size

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sphery:

don't know whether it was broken (windows) drivers or hardware, though

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kormoc:

Virindi, in anycase, there are other options out there for a core2 + onboard nvidia cards in a small form factor, and they'd all be good choices likely

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sphery:

agreed

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Virindi:

hmm

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Virindi:

in all, it would require a ton of new equipment to go HD

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Virindi:

probably not worth it

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kormoc:

I was that way for a long time, but now I'm glad I did it

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kormoc:

I do like the clearer picture

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kormoc:

and FIOS happens to be a really clean signal and encodes very well with the hdpvr

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somethinginteres:

hi all, had to do an Ubuntu reinstall trying to get myth up and running again. How do I can increase the amount of time it takes myth to decide it can't lock a channel?

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somethinginteres:

when scanning that is

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rileyp:

hi

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

what do you guys think of this for a frontend for mythtv?

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mattwj2002:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500027

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rileyp:

mattwj2002, perfect but asrock ion comes complet with dvd or blue ray your choice

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rileyp:

and they cheap and look good and you dont have to build

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mattwj2002:

what model?

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rileyp:

any asrock ion will do just your choice

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rileyp:

all asrcock ions are perfect for mythtv as they can play hd 1080p

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mattwj2002:

are they single core though?

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mattwj2002:

:O

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mattwj2002:

dual core!

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mattwj2002:

:D

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mattwj2002:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157194

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mattwj2002:

will it fit into an atx case?

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rileyp:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;x=0&y=0

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rileyp:

look heer silly

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rileyp:

th ewole shebang

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rileyp:

hole

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rileyp:

whole

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rileyp:

$329 in case whack in memory and a 2.5 hdd or usb stick and away you go

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rileyp:

but $329 seem high as thats what I paid in Australia

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mattwj2002:

that isn't really what I need though

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rileyp:

well it will fit in atx case if thats what you want to do

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rileyp:

if it has screw bases in corect spots

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rileyp:

idea is to put server in cupboard with tv tuners and harddrives etc and asrock ions at tv sets that are almost silent as they have no hdd just a usb stick

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mattwj2002:

the reason I ask is I have an extra case I am not using

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mattwj2002:

maybe I'll buy a new case

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mattwj2002:

:)

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rileyp:

yes but case is big and ugly and not looking sexy next to tv

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mattwj2002:

exactly

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mattwj2002:

so I think I will buy one

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mattwj2002:

:)

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rileyp:

you will be happy man

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mattwj2002:

you think that is decent motherboard?

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mattwj2002:

:-s

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rileyp:

Unless you put naked lady on side of case to impress friends

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mattwj2002:

:P

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rileyp:

Matt it has everything you need for mythtv and xbmc

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rileyp:

ion gpu runs 1080p hd content

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mattwj2002:

crap

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mattwj2002:

it takes ddr3

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rileyp:

where? in your pants....

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mattwj2002:

I was hoping to use my ddr2 I had laying around

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rileyp:

no ddr2 800

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rileyp:

I have in mine

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mattwj2002:

nope it say dd3

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mattwj2002:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 94-_-Product

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mattwj2002:

*ddr3

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rileyp:

maybe newer model take ddr3? mine 6 months old

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mattwj2002:

typ0?

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mattwj2002:

type0

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mattwj2002:

grr

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mattwj2002:

you know what I mean

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rileyp:

hmm i Do

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rileyp:

http://www.asrock.com/nettop/spec/ion%20330.asp

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rileyp:

ddr2 :P

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mattwj2002:

it say ddr3 on their website

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mattwj2002:

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=A330ION

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rileyp:

thast the mobo by itself It may well be ddr3 does the sped reflect ddr3

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rileyp:

nah its def a typo as 800 1066 is dr2 is it not?

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rileyp:

and the board is same as in mine

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rileyp:

hang on it say ddr3 on board in picture as well

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rileyp:

I dunno not opening mine sorry

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mattwj2002:

sorry

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mattwj2002:

oh come on

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

well I need to get ready for work

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mattwj2002:

:)

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rileyp:

get the one in the case and it take ddr2 job done

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mattwj2002:

but it says ddr3 is needed on two different sites?

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rileyp:

matt it is def ddr3 on that board as it is differnt to th e one in the black box

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rileyp:

\it has a full pcie x 16 slot

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rileyp:

the nettop ion does not

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mattwj2002:

what?

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mattwj2002:

I am confused

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rileyp:

the asrock ion in a box is ddr2 the standalone board is ddr3

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mattwj2002:

oh

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mattwj2002:

got yeah

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

dang memory is expensive :(

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yatesy:

i just bought one of those asrock ion boxes, very nice

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yatesy:

Is there a view of some description I can see information on the video currently playing via mythvideo? I'm looking for information such as the resolution of the video, what sound it has (whether it's 5.1, DTS, etc)

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wagnerrp:

not while currently playing, no

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rileyp:

yatesy there is a program that can do that but I shant mention it here

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wagnerrp:

why not? you can use external players that offer that form of support, but external player support is planned to be phased out

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yatesy:

fair enough, thanks guys

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wagnerrp:

additionally, you cannot use external players if you intend to use storage groups

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yatesy:

was thinking on the lines of troubleshooting if i have a video that i expected to be 5.1 but doesn't appear to be playing in 5.1

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wagnerrp:

ffmpeg -i

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rileyp:

yatesy xbmc wil tell all about your video

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yatesy:

rileyp: ta, but i'm thinking more myth specific. Say I've already checked the video file does indeed contain a 5.1 soundtrack (using VLC or some other external player) but it doesn't appear to be 5.1 within myth

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yatesy:

wagnerrp: thanks, so basically check using ffmpeg manually outside myth as the built in player is basically ffmpeg wrapped right?

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wagnerrp:

the built in player is based around an internal version of the libav libraries

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wagnerrp:

those libraries are maintained by the ffmpeg project

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yatesy:

ah ok fair enough

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wagnerrp:

so the internal player and ffmpeg are both wrapped around a 3rd entity

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wagnerrp:

GAH!

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wagnerrp:

trying to figure out why this recording cutter wasnt working

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wagnerrp:

i was running it on the wrong file

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wagnerrp:

applying the cuts from one file onto another

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wagnerrp:

now it works, but screwy time codes cause screwy playback

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wagnerrp:

quick run through ffmpeg fixes all

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at0m:

hi, for some reason, prv-1/250 recorded mpg files do not contain proper time code, see http://pastebin.ca/1916416

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at0m:

wagnerrp: a related issue?

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wagnerrp:

not at all

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wagnerrp:

im manually carving up TS files

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at0m:

ah oki

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wagnerrp:

simple alternative to mythtranscode, when mythtranscode barfs for whatever reason

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at0m:

the timecode issue here doesn't disturb regular playback on frontends, but skipping or 'jump to' in mplayer is most unreliable

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wagnerrp:

why are you using mplayer?

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at0m:

it's what i use on my (win) music production machine

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J-e-f-f-A:

grr... Wasn't able to watch Burn Notice last-night as the scheduler decdided to recorded it later, even though there was a free tuner. :-( I know it's because USA network runs 100's of reruns of their shows, but it still bugs me...

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sid3windr:

itz aight.

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iamlindoro:

Have a GT 240 coming in the mail today, at last I can accelerate all those DivX files that have been bogging down my systems ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: nice. ;-)

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wagnerrp:

just for kicks? or you have another card die?

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iamlindoro:

Just decided to shuffle some hardware around, and was buying some GPUs for work

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: so you slipped it in on an order for work? ;-)

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iamlindoro:

Am moderately more interested in the HQ scaling

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: So I made the order and didn't expense one of the cards

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: ah. ;-) Saved on shipping at least. ;-)

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skd5aner:

hurray, I have a droid 2 now :D

[17:16:23]

skd5aner:

wow – mythmote has been downloaded 5k-10k times, and has 188 ratings...

[17:16:38]

skd5aner:

love when tangible numbers surface when it comes to the mythtv user community

[17:19:15]

iamlindoro:

Not sure that offers any real insight

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iamlindoro:

We have better numbers from the web site downloads + reports from the distro folks, we just don't make that information public

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skd5aner:

well, I'm not privey to those numbers ;)

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at0m:

skd5aner: did that include the numbers from http://code.google.com/p/mythmote/downloads/list , or any other mirror ?

[17:21:01]

skd5aner:

at0m: no, just android market #s

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iamlindoro:

not to mention is only reflects the very tiny subset of the myth community that owns an android phone

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skd5aner:

yup, but that's kinda a cool little aspect – to see that even a "small" part of the community could be relatively large in its own respect

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skd5aner:

I don't know what it is around these parts sometimes... people always have to throw their 2 cents in and contradict, correct, or opine no matter how minoot the subject might be. Just thought it was an interesting observation.

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iamlindoro:

minute ;)

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skd5aner:

ha – awesome

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iamlindoro:

Or to respond more directly, welcome to the internet. Be right or expect contradiction

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iamlindoro:

If you get to opine, so does everyone else

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iamlindoro:

That said, there have been rumblings about collecting demographic data more directly from within myth, and if it could be sufficiently anonymized it's likely that it could become public

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Iamlindoro, what constitutes demographic data?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Just counting users and what country they are in?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Are you thinking something like Smolt, which gathers basic hardware info?

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: someone already has done a smolt based thing, I believe it was the knoppmyth/LinHES folks who created "MythSmolt" – though that was never used outside of their distro

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iamlindoro:

GadgetWisdomGuru: It would likely be vaguely smoltlike

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: http://smolt.mythvantage.com/

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joel_:

can someone help me with a setting?

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iamlindoro:

GadgetWisdomGuru: No real fixed plan, just an interest in doing so--- but we have higher priorities as a project and when that bubbles to the top we will likely have dealt with a lot of more pressign issues-- I wouldn't expect it any time soon

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iamlindoro:

joel_: You won't know unless you ask, nobody volunteers without knowing what they are volunteering for

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joel_:

I think I need to use an other player than the default because the video isn't working

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iamlindoro:

player for what? What do you mean the video isn't working? HAve you modified your playback profile?

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joel_:

I'm trying to watch tv. audio works, but it's transparent where the video should be

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joel_:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/477531/

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joel_:

the first part is when i start it, the second is repeated quickly once i select to watch tv, the third is when i click ctrl+c

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iamlindoro:

joel_: You cannot change the video player for TV

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iamlindoro:

But it appears as though you have broken or wrong video drivers

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iamlindoro:

what is your GPU, and which drivers do you have installed?

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joel_:

can i change a parameter maybe?

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joel_:

wait

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joel_:

NVIDIA Driver Version:

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joel_:

195.36.15

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joel_:

Graphics Processor:

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joel_:

GeForce 7050 PV / nForce 630a

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iamlindoro:

You can try changing your playback profile to Slim if you have not already

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joel_:

how?

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->setup->TV Settings->Playback, page three, change the profile group to Slim

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iamlindoro:

then Next until you see finish, then finish

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joel_:

ok. my current is Processor+ btw

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iamlindoro:

Which is a bad choice

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joel_:

did you mean VDPAU Slim

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joel_:

?

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iamlindoro:

No, I mean Slim

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iamlindoro:

Your card has no VDPAU support

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joel_:

ok

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joel_:

i can't find that. my languge is swedish

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joel_:

how do i change that?

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iamlindoro:

Slim is the string in englihs, can't help you with english

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iamlindoro:

er with swedish

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joel_:

i know

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joel_:

what's left of slim?

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iamlindoro:

No idea

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joel_:

ok

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joel_:

does slim mean small?

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iamlindoro:

Slim means slender, but it's sort of like small

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joel_:

ok

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joel_:

it's probably that then

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joel_:

i don't need to restart the backend, right?

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iamlindoro:

no

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joel_:

ok

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iamlindoro:

It is very possible this will not work, it appears your driver and hardware are not responding nicely to Myth's control of them-- suspect that driver and hardware are not a good match

[17:59:32]

iamlindoro:

But it's worth a try

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joel_:

it does not work... same output as before

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

That reminds me. I have to fix my surround sound today.

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iamlindoro:

joel_: This is a driver/hardware issue, so difficult for us to address, that's really the best we can do-- you can try different driver versions

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joel_:

ok

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joel_:

i had the same error in kaffeine btw. does that mean mythtv uses xine?

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joel_:

and another question: could i try adding something to my xorg.conf?

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pjcrux:

ladies and gents what does this mean: "Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=56, backend=23056)"

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pjcrux:

i do rpm -q mythweb and it returns mythweb-0.23–8.fc12.x86_64

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iamlindoro:

joel_: No, MythTV does not use xine, or any other media player-- Myth contains its own player

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iamlindoro:

pjcrux: It means that your copy of mythweb is mismatched from your backend

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joel_:

ok

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iamlindoro:

pjcrux: specifically, your backend is more up to date than your mythweb install-- you need to update to the .23.1 version of mythweb to be able to work with your backend

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pjcrux:

iamlindoro: according to rpm -q I have .23–8

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pjcrux:

So I have to downgrade?

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adaptr:

hi all, I have used mythtv for some years, but the latest versions seem to restrict simple browsing and video playing more and more... is this just me, and are these options hidden away somewhere ?

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iamlindoro:

pjcrux: -8 is just some junk added by your packager

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guysoft42:

stuartm, (Pounce message): http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8770 opened a ticket

[18:17:35]

guysoft42:

stuartm, (Pounce message): http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8770 opened a ticket

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iamlindoro:

pjcrux: Can't tell you what packages you should be using, merely that the two are mismatched

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pjcrux:

I'm using the rpmfusion packages

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Beirdo:

guysoft42: what was that crap?

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iamlindoro:

pjcrux: It doesn't matter whose packages you are using, the point is that they are mismatched

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iamlindoro:

pjcrux: So you'll need to speak to your packager

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pjcrux:

k great

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iamlindoro:

pjcrux: As a project we don't provide packages, so we can't know what weird things they decide to do

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joel_:

I think I found something new – http://mythtv.pastebin.com/h3UX3Qaj

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iamlindoro:

joel_: No, that is nothing new/informative

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joel_:

ok

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banyan:

Hi! I just nicely installed f13 and the packaged myth versions (r25413, or 0.23–8). And now when I attempt to play a recording the frontend segfaults. I don't really get a message indicating why, though it behaves nicer if I use openGL than Qt (Qt does give a message about the libQt.so library.)

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banyan:

Any ideas what I should check?

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iamlindoro:

banyan: there is some issue in the mailing list archives where people installed myth packages but failed to upgrade the rest of their packages, specifically Qt

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iamlindoro:

Is there some yum or rpm package to install all updates? If you, you likely need it

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banyan:

I see, so the packager hasn't properly specified a requirement...

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iamlindoro:

Unknown if you are seeing the same problem, just telling you about the only RPM packaging issue I know of

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iamlindoro:

believe it was atrpms

[18:23:10]

banyan:

In that case I am a) not surprised and b) not affected because I used rpmfusion.

[18:23:19]

iamlindoro:

But from my absolute lack of knowledge about RPM, yes, it does seem you are missing some Qt package

[18:23:34]

banyan:

Unless the same issue plagues both sets of packages.

[18:24:01]

banyan:

Would that still affect me even if I set the frontend up to use openGL?

[18:24:28]

iamlindoro:

Since the entire frontend uses Qt, libQt is most definitely going to be a requirement even with OpenGL

[18:24:37]

Yae:

does anyone know of an issue that can cause the "GetEntryAt(-1) failed" error? I'm running it as root with a recording directory which is chmod 777'd, but I'm still getting the error and Watch Live TV still fails

[18:24:39]

Yae:

http://pastebin.ca/1916551

[18:24:40]

iamlindoro:

since even OpenGL is provided by Qt's OpenGL libs

[18:25:03]

iamlindoro:

Yae: That error is a useless frontend error saying "Hey, you are looking at the wrong logs, look at the backend logs instead."

[18:25:06]

Yae:

an issue other than bad permissions

[18:25:17]

stuartm:

QT is complete toolkit not just a UI lib

[18:25:20]

Yae:

ah

[18:25:28]

iamlindoro:

It could be any number of things, all of which involve misconfiguration of the backend

[18:26:20]

iamlindoro:

stuartm: I think I am going to add additional logging to getentryat when it gets -1 and have it output a useful error to check the BE logs-- thoughts?

[18:26:34]

Yae:

2010-08–13 13:22:02.562 TVRec(1) Error: Start channel invalid, setting to '7' on input Television instead.

[18:26:35]

Yae:

2010-08–13 13:22:02.562 ChannelBase(1): IsTunable(DVBInput,7) Requested non-existant input 'DVBInput':'-1'

[18:26:50]

iamlindoro:

Yae: =please don't excerpt

[18:27:03]

stuartm:

iamlindoro: go for it, meaningless/confusing error messages should be eliminated

[18:27:31]

iamlindoro:

Yae: pastebin the whole backend log to mythtv.pastebin.com, please

[18:28:03]

iamlindoro:

Yae: But more or less, you have not properly configured the backend in mythtv-setup... logs will tell us the specific fashion in which you have misconfigured

[18:28:33]

Yae:

there are no logs in /var/log/mythtv.log

[18:28:49]

Yae:

er, /var/log/mythtv//mythtv

[18:29:06]

Yae:

just a /var/log/mythtv/mythfilldatabase.log

[18:29:15]

iamlindoro:

Yae: So set your backend up to do logging to a file, then restart the backend, then attempt to watch TV

[18:29:26]

Yae:

what is the flag for that?

[18:29:27]

stuartm:

iamlindoro: that's a task that we should look at eventually, reviewing all the verbose output and remove, improve or move it into another scope where required

[18:29:51]

iamlindoro:

Yae: -l logfilename, or just redirect to a text file

[18:29:57]

stuartm:

Yae: -l /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

[18:30:21]

Yae:

thanks, one sec

[18:30:31]

iamlindoro:

stuartm: Yeah... Hope to see setup rewrite take top position in our list of tasks, that way if at least one gets done we're in a lot better shape

[18:31:35]

stuartm:

yeah, not proposing anything takes priority over that

[18:32:20]

iamlindoro:

Understood :)

[18:32:32]

Yae:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/9KwsKgwd

[18:32:44]

Yae:

I should note that I've set the start channel to 5_1

[18:32:54]

Yae:

which is a valid channel

[18:33:05]

Yae:

not sure why it's trying to retrieve 7

[18:33:36]

stuartm:

heh, I accidentally enabled fixed font mode in kmail then couldn't put my finger on the reason why my emails suddenly looked _wrong_

[18:33:58]

banyan:

Hey, maybe I should try a different theme... see if that changes anything.

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iamlindoro:

banyan: what theme are you using? Generally speaking, crashes on playback start are not caused by theme errors

[18:37:30]

banyan:

It was the T-something widescreen one, I forget the exact name. But mythcenter did the same thing just now.

[18:37:45]

iamlindoro:

Terra-- so no, it is not theme related, Terra is a .23 theme

[18:39:35]

iamlindoro:

stuartm: New logging committed, comments on the language welcome

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davidroderick:

can somebody explain how to install mythtv in freebsd. I have a usb DVR which the hardware seems to recognise. I cd /usr/posrt/multimedia/mytv; make It builds okay. Now what?

[18:44:13]

iamlindoro:

davidroderick: In FreeBSd, the only capture device that will work with MythTV will be the HDHomeRun, so any other hardware is not going to work

[18:44:36]

iamlindoro:

That aid, to install, it's just like any other source build-- make, make install, then run as you wish

[18:44:46]

iamlindoro:

er /aid/said/

[18:50:57]

banyan:

I don't really see anything that leaps out at me in the logs either. I turned up the verbosity to 'all' for the backend and it just dies. Tried live TV also, and got the same result.

[18:51:01]

Yae:

iamlindoro: any thoughts on what I've screwed up?

[18:51:54]

banyan:

I was trying to watch from a laptop as the frontend, but couldn't get any sound out of the damn thing, lol.

[18:52:11]

banyan:

But I do know the backend is capable of streaming a recording.

[18:54:20]

banyan:

Just not via mythweb, 'cause I tried that too, heh

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joel_:

iamlindoro: thanks for your support! i had to add some things in xorg.conf

[19:00:27]

davidroderick:

iamlindoro: what about knoopmyth. I am new to video stuff

[19:01:26]

davidroderick:

I don't want to watch tv. I just want a home camera system. Am I okay?

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banyan:

ll That's what mythzoneminder is for, no?

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high-rez:

yae: Are you using trunk?

[19:10:59]

Yae:

I believe so, using the packman opensuse 11.3 packages

[19:12:03]

iamlindoro:

high-rez: No, he is not-- see his backend log, he is using .23.1

[19:12:33]

high-rez:

iamlindoro: Ahh.. ok. i thought maybe he was seeing the same bug I had ran into in trunk :)

[19:12:36]

iamlindoro:

Yae: It appears that you have a card configuration issue

[19:12:49]

[19:13:16]

iamlindoro:

Yae: Specifically, your DVB card appears improperly configured-- either the backend process doesn't have permissions ot it, or you forced it and the driver is misconfigrued

[19:13:55]

Yae:

I ran the backend as root just in case, so something must be misconfigured

[19:14:04]

iamlindoro:

If mythtv-setup is not able to query the card name/number when you go to set it up, something is very wrong-- suspect that it would fail to query if you tried right now-- does your DVB card work in other programs?

[19:14:20]

Yae:

hold on, let me try to find another program

[19:14:33]

Yae:

fwiw, I followed the instructions at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Kworld_ATSC_110, which worked perfectly for me last time around

[19:14:45]

iamlindoro:

It also looks like you have some channel configuration issues-- like you fetched channels from the listings source *and* scanned, or something-- for a digital card, you should start with a clean lineup, and only scan

[19:15:49]

iamlindoro:

davidroderick: Myth is the wrong tool for a home camera system-- We have a plugin to interface with zoneminder, but it is not work setting up myth just to use that one plugin, and of course it requires that your security system be zoneminder

[19:15:57]

iamlindoro:

er not worth

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high-rez:

Honestly, the easiest thing would be for you to delete the card/source and try again. ;)

[19:16:59]

Yae:

true, but that wouldn't fix the problem if the card was installed improperly

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iamlindoro:

Yae: what does ls -al /dev/dvb* yield?

[19:18:03]

iamlindoro:

(pastebin

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Yae:

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 120 2010-08–13 12:24 adapter0

[19:20:37]

Yae:

that's it

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banyan:

Does anybody know off the top of their head where the various libmyth* files might be?

[19:21:45]

high-rez:

Uhm /usr/lib ? /usr/local/lib

[19:21:46]

banyan:

My 'fresh install' was onto a disk that had f12 on it before so I suspect there's a hangover library possibly?

[19:22:04]

iamlindoro:

banyan: Yes, that is likely a problem-- possibly even your problem ;)

[19:22:20]

iamlindoro:

I assumed when you said fresh install that it meant fresh ;)

[19:22:48]

banyan:

Well, usually I do an upgrade but I see now that what I have to do in the future is wipe the root drive.

[19:22:54]

iamlindoro:

banyan: and yes, $installprefix/lib/

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banyan:

/home and /var are different file systems.

[19:25:51]

banyan:

from /

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MilhousePunkRock:

Hello everyone!

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banyan:

So I should have wiped root and I'd probably be fine.

[19:35:01]

Yae:

iamlindoro: playback works perfectly in Me TV

[19:35:16]

Yae:

except sound, but I haven't bothered setting sound up on this machine yet

[19:38:12]

banyan:

I had some minor-to-moderate issues with mythweb too. I seem to remember all the configuration files live outside of the /var/www/html/mythweb directory — is it safe to wipe that directory out and replace it with the new one?

[19:38:34]

banyan:

Oh, except for the security files, I'll have to save those I think...

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banyan:

Excellent — I wiped all the /usr/lib/libmyth*so* and /usr/lib/myth/* out, reinstalled the packages and bingo.

[19:53:04]

banyan:

As near as I can tell that fixed things.

[19:53:21]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: thats not entirely true, freebsd has drivers for the IVTV cards... but ive never managed to get them to work properly

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Sakkath:

hi, i don't think ivtv is supported for my card, but i know mythtv is. this might explain why ivtv-tune doesn't say (signal detected). mythtv detected my card fine... but when i try to set "Input connections" in mythtv-setup... " [ V4L : /dev/video0 ] (Television) -> (None)

[19:55:50]

wagnerrp:

Sakkath: what is your card?

[19:56:04]

iamlindoro:

the problem is right there in the question

[19:56:09]

iamlindoro:

[ V4L : /dev/video0 ] (Television) -> (None)

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iamlindoro:

that's not ivtv

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Sakkath:

"in mythtv-setup"

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iamlindoro:

you misunderstand

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wagnerrp:

manufacturer and model

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iamlindoro:

you haven't configured your card as an ivtv card

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Sakkath:

apparently mythtv supports this card, but ivtv doesn't. the card is made by MSI, and lspci says "Conexant CX23880/1/2/3"

[19:56:59]

iamlindoro:

ivtv cards don't get V4L type

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Sakkath:

i was following this guide http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/MythTV#IVTV

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wagnerrp:

Sakkath: specifically what model?

[19:58:00]

Sakkath:

i honestly have no idea the box is long long gone

[19:58:41]

wagnerrp:

tv-@nywhere?

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iamlindoro:

again, If the card is a mpeg encoder, then you have misconfigured it in mythtv-setup

[20:00:03]

Sakkath:

yeah it is tv-@anywhere

[20:00:28]

Sakkath:

tv-@anywhere master ms-8606.. it also says N1966 on the card

[20:00:59]

wagnerrp:

the tv-@nywhere does not appear to come with an mpeg encoder

[20:01:12]

wagnerrp:

you can but should not set it up in mythtv as a v4l framegrabber

[20:01:39]

Sakkath:

why 'should not'?

[20:01:48]

wagnerrp:

because its a framegrabber

[20:01:54]

wagnerrp:

theyre a PITA to record off of

[20:02:32]

wagnerrp:

go ahead and use that card for digital, but if you want analog, you should pick up an old PVR-150 or something

[20:03:04]

Sakkath:

ok i think i might have a couple spare tv tuners i'll dig around see what i can find

[20:03:36]

wagnerrp:

try 'cat /dev/video0 > some_file.mpg'

[20:03:59]

wagnerrp:

if you get a viable mpeg file, you can use it as an IVTV card

[20:04:02]

Sakkath:

i tried that and was unable to watch it

[20:04:03]

wagnerrp:

otherwise, i wouldnt bother'

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Sakkath:

alright. i'll search for other ones

[20:10:13]

Sakkath:

i found a cheap $20 compusa norwood micro card.. same chipset as the MSI... how do i know if it comes w/an mpeg encorder

[20:10:17]

Sakkath:

encoder*

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iamlindoro:

It doesn't

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Sakkath:

alright

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iamlindoro:

If you want an mpeg encoder, get a PVR-150, 250, 350, 500, or HVR-1600, or a PVR-USB2

[20:12:05]

iamlindoro:

Pretty much *anything* else will be a framegrabber, with very very few exceptions

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wagnerrp:

there are some cx88 based chips that come with an mpeg encoder

[20:14:06]

wagnerrp:

neither of those cards youve listed are such

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Sakkath:

ok

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Yae:

inamlindoro: any thoughts on my configuration issue in light of playback working in other programs?

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banyan:

Is there good documentation for the format of the audio output setting in the frontend? I think my laptop speakers show up as a separate card from the HDMI output and for the time being I want to use the speakers, but I don't know how to specify all that.

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banyan:

Asus n61j with an hdmi out, I think integrated into the video card.

[20:50:42]

banyan:

plus speakers.

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wagnerrp:

they should all be listed as separate ALSA outputs, just choose the correct one

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justinh:

the format should be whatever is listed in aplay -L IIRC

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wagnerrp:

and it should get enumerated in the dropdown box in the frontend setup

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justinh:

I thought that dropdown was just a list of presets

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wagnerrp:

maybe that didnt get added until after 0.23

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wagnerrp:

in trunk, its an enumerated list

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justinh:

woo at last :)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I've changed the tags on some music files, scanned for new music, and it is still showing the old genre tags in MythMusic. Is there any way to force a complete rescan?

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gbee:

GadgetWisdomGuru: is the music accessed via NFS or Samba/CIFS?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

NFS

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gbee:

we only re-inspect the file if the modification time has changed, but those protocols sometimes don't include that info for speed reasons

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gbee:

enable modtimes if they are disabled

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

So, what is the solution? I'm using MythMusic to troubleshoot my metadata, as it is my primary HTPC music player

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Modtimes on NFS?

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iamlindoro:

GadgetWisdomGuru: yes. Alternately, you can do the scan on the system where the files are local if possible

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Well, they are on the backend.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I have my backend separate from the frontend

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

How do you enable modtimes on NFS exactly?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'll probably turn it off when I'm done with this troubleshooting.

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gbee:

have you tried running the scan a second time, just to be sure?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Thrice, actually.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

And double checking the files it is associated with

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gbee:

you can try restarting the NFS server/client to wipe their cached modtimes

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Trying that now

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Did not work

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gbee:

btw, are these IDv1 or v2 tags? (or some other tag format)?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I think everything should be v2. Because I'm upgrading all metadata

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm running things through Easytag, Picard, etc to mass update the pieces.

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gbee:

ok, it should be working then :/

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gbee:

We don't read IDv1 atm because it's a 14 year old standard that was replaced by the much superior ID3v2 less 2 years later, but that doesn't stop some people from tagging their entire collection exclusively as ID3v1

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm assuming Picard is doing ID3v2.

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gbee:

should be, I don't think any decent software has written ID3v1 exclusively for the last decade

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm reading through the nfs man page trying to figure out how to enable the feature mentioned.

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gbee:

has the modification time changed? What does it read?

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gbee:

it's worth mentioning that if your system clock was wrong when you did the initial scan that the times in the database may be in the future

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

It says it was last modified June 4th

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Odd

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I just did it

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'll try modifying the files, I guess.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I should have checked modification time.

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banyan:

Okay, what the heck do I have to do in order to get selinux to shut up about mythweb and let it do its thing? short of just turning selinux off...

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Found it

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Easytag has a preserve modification time setting.

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** GadgetWisdomGuru slaps himself **

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Yae:

is there a way to wipe the mythtv config without uninstalling and reinstalling everything?

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gbee:

GadgetWisdomGuru: ah, heh

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gbee:

does anyone now where I can find a full list of Freesat channels and frequencies? I made the mistake of removing the region from the regional ITV1 HD variants and now I don't know which is which :/

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gbee:

lyngsat is outdated

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** GadgetWisdomGuru feels silly **

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I need to go to Lyngsat.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

For some reason, channel icon search has set the Israeli Biography channel for my Bio HD instead of the American one

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm now updating the last modified times of every file to the present.

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banyan:

Off topic, but which channel would be best for a question about Evolution the mail client?

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Azelphur:

banyan: maybe it has it's own channel on irc.gimp.net, if not maybe the gnome channel on gimpnet.

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: what's the XMLTVID for the channel?

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: I'll make a note to go in and see if I can fix it

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, I haven't updated the channel icons in a long time. It might have been fixed already, but I was going to manually fix it

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

But 58988

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bj0ng0:

should the system menu only display about and cancel?

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bj0ng0:

trying to update the libraries :/

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iamlindoro:

yes, the system menu only displays about and cancel

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iamlindoro:

If the exit key for the frontend is disabled and shutdown and sleep are enabled, then those will turn up there too

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bj0ng0:

heh woops, iam blind, i didnt see 'scan for changes' in videos

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bj0ng0:

tnx ;)

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banyan:

I know this is a known thing, but just to confirm — mythtv isn't friendly about seeking in an asx stream is it?

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banyan:

Any fix for that or is that just in the pile somewhere?

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sid3windr:

seeking in a stream doesnt even make sense ;)

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iamlindoro:

banyan, are you referring to ASX files downloaded from mythweb?

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banyan:

Yes.

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iamlindoro:

That has nothing to do with myth-- it has to do with your player and web server

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banyan:

And how your viewing joy is over if you ever touch the seek bar.

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banyan:

Is there a workaround for that, I wonder...

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iamlindoro:

an asx file is just a short text file that points at your web server and feeds it the file-- a proper client will allow skip in the files fine

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iamlindoro:

the "workaround" is to use a client that implements the protocol properly

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banyan:

Do you happen to know the names of a couple of compliant clients?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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banyan:

and does apache cut the mustard as a server?

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iamlindoro:

apache is fine

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banyan:

Hmm, I'll have to google further on that. But that's a good answer because chances are I can get a different client working (as opposed to finding out there's an issue with mythweb that prevents it).

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Am I the only one who still uses that old CLI channel_icons script?

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: probably not the only one

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: but you should try and use the built-in one that's part of mythtv-setup

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

It doesn't do one thing I want done.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Custom Icon Directory.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Or it does and I don't know how to set it

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skd5aner:

the built in one? Yea, I can't remember if that's configurable or not – I think right now it's set to ~/.mythtv/channels or something like that

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skd5aner:

or at least defaults there

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

That's what I never liked.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Having it under a user.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

But I know not everyone agrees.

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skd5aner:

Well, I know folks have talked about all that stuff going to something like storage groups

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Yes.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Last time I asked, I was told no one felt moving channel icons to a storage group was a high priority though

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

And I understand that

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skd5aner:

it makes sense for something like channel icons to go in that direction since they can be leveraged across frontends/backends regardless if home dirs are local or not

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Yes

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I agree.

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: that's probably still the case RE:priority

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

But I can understand it not being as high a priority, considering.

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skd5aner:

most devs have a lot on their todo list

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skd5aner:

anyway, if you do use the built in one, many icons are pre-approved per XMLTVID via the service, so that's what I'm going in to test

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skd5aner:

s/test/check

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, I never want any dev to think I am pestering them.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I try not to.

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: don't worry, every dev thinks everyone is pestering them, just some less than others ;)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

If I stop worrying, I might become less sensitive.

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: I just checked the service...

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skd5aner:

I have not got to the 5**** numbers to approve icons yet, but I see that one needs approved

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skd5aner:

that being said, 38 people DID select the Israel bio icon for that one

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skd5aner:

and 40 people picked the Bio HD one

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skd5aner:

I'm assuming BioHD is correct given the listing here – http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCSGr . . . meInMillis=0

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

The BIO HD one is correct.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I sort of like the Israeli one as unique, but it isn't correct.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Interestingly enough, its phonetic.

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skd5aner:

Well, I've approved the BioHD one for that XMLTVID via the mythtv service, so if you use the built in one, it'll automatically be correct

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Ok

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm just making a manual check of things now.

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banyan:

Heh, mplayer works but you have to feed it the URL — the .asx won't cut it.

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banyan:

picky picky picky. I can script around that tho.

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sphery:

banyan: I think you really just need to feed it -playlist /path/to/the.asx

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sphery:

not that I can think of /any/ good reason to use MPlayer

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sphery:

after all, MythTV Internal player...

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sphery:

GadgetWisdomGuru: it does a custom icons directory

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sphery:

./channel_icons.pl --help

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Sphery, I know. I was saying the one in Mythtvsetup doesn't, but it does.

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sphery:

oh, since you mentioned the CLI one, I thought you meant it

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sphery:

but you were saying you use it becaues the other doesn't

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Sphery, precisely.

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gbee:

heh, you know how US TV imports, especially the cheaper/older stuff all has really unrealistic skin tones and over-saturated colours? Well it seems that on at least some stuff channels in the UK must run it through a filter to try and correct it, I'm watching an unmodified episode of NCIS and it's 10x worse that what is shown over here

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gbee:

everyone is orange

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gbee:

really orange

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gbee:

more orange than the fruit

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banyan:

Maybe they went off for those spray tans innit.

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Captain_Murdoch:

analog copying instead of digital?

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gbee:

this is a CBS channel that launched this year in the UK, first time I've actually paid it any attention

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Captain_Murdoch:

I read an article the other day about movies covers and posters being primarily orange and blueish because of their locations on the color wheel

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banyan:

Well, they are doing that to make everyone look more tan. It's kind of the look of the show.

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gbee:

two things stand out, it's 4:3 and the colour problems

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Captain_Murdoch:

actually I think that was something I found off a link I followed off digg.com

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Captain_Murdoch:

a lot of the things they mention are within a half hour of where I live, but I don't think they ever (if ever) film local in the Norfolk, Virginia area.

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gbee:

there is a tendency for US TV cameras to lean towards the warmer end of the spectrum, you can always spot the snippets of US news footage etc because of that, whereas the rest of the world tends to calibrate their equipment ;)

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gbee:

actually probably has at least something to do with the limited colour spectrum of NTSC when compared to PAL, but I don't think that explains it all

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gbee:

I do believe that it's done deliberately to give everyone an unrealistic tan and make everything seem warmer and sunnier than it really is

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Captain_Murdoch:

probably not since NTSC doesn't mean as much anymore with the ATSC mandate.

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Captain_Murdoch:

s/probably not/probably not as much like you say/

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Captain_Murdoch:

tan, that's why they had to come out with NCIS: Los Angeles

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Captain_Murdoch:

and now we get to ?enjoy? Law & Order: Los Angeles

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Captain_Murdoch:

if we could slip in a CSI: Los Angeles, we'd have a triumverate

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