Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, August 9th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

meaning it can only pull a single external subtitle file

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e-squizo:

What I'm wondering is that whether there's some mechanism to have MULTIPLE subtitle files, and get mythtv to display them alternatively

[00:00:44]

e-squizo:

mplayer does this with the filename

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wagnerrp:

nope, but you can have multiple embedded subtitle tracks in the video file

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e-squizo:

for foo.avi you can have foo.spa.srt and foo.eng.srt and foo.deu.srt

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e-squizo:

and you can cycle between them

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e-squizo:

wagnerrp: embedded then!

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e-squizo:

you mean, putting all the subtitles in an mkv shell?

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wagnerrp:

it can handle any of the standard broadcast subtitle and captioning formats

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wagnerrp:

as well as the standard bitmapped subtitles available on dvds and similar optical media

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wagnerrp:

it cannot handle embedded srt files

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wagnerrp:

the recommended solution is to put the original DVD you ripped the video from in your drive

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wagnerrp:

and pull the bitmapped subtitles out of the IFO file

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Beirdo:

this is such a mess

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

What is?

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Beirdo:

IFO files

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wagnerrp:

is it just me, or would seeing this thing tooling around scare the crap out of you... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYFEFekPzDM

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Beirdo:

I want one!

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atrus:

anybody using mythtv with a pulseaudio distribution lately? it keeps resetting my volume to max, and the video is lagging behind the audio. I'm using the mythbuntu ppa, with any and all patches that includes.

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wagnerrp:

what version of mythtv are you running?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: buy me one?

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

atrus: what version of mythtv are you using?

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atrus:

wagnerrp: according to apt, 0.23.0+fixes25423–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu2

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wagnerrp:

0.23 does not support pulseaudio

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patdk-lap:

I'm really liking 0.23, only hitting one annoying issue

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atrus:

wagnerrp: well the version in the ppa seems to. maybe mythbuntu is patching it.

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patdk-lap:

backend seems to hangup somehow, when it goes to submit dvd-cover or fanart for a mythvideo entry, sometimes (20% about)

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patdk-lap:

restart backend, and it's all good again, for awhile

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ElBano:

help

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ElBano:

2010-08–08 21:06:58.996 Upgrading to MythVideo schema version 1002

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ElBano:

2010-08–08 21:06:58.997 DB Error (performActualUpdate):

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wagnerrp:

atrus: 0.23 has a bug riddled, half functional pulseaudio output module

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ElBano:

Database error was:

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ElBano:

Duplicate column name 'tc_param'

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atrus:

wagnerrp: i used to get *perfect* behavior out of it just pointing it at ALSA:pulse, but I can't get it to stop suspending pulseaudio anymore. if i could just get it to stop suspending PA, everything would be fine again :)

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wagnerrp:

but that is not synonymous with 'suppported'

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wagnerrp:

you are the one in a hundred that got decent playback with pulse's ALSA emulation

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wagnerrp:

everyone else gets horrible a/v skewing

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atrus:

yeah, i'd much rather use the standard alsa output, and let PA's alsa plugin figure it out.

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wagnerrp:

why do you want to use pulse in the first place?

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atrus:

wagnerrp: (shrug). it's perfect on all 3 systems i've tried it on.

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ElBano:

pulse is super dee duper

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wagnerrp:

what does it honestly get you

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atrus:

wagnerrp: mixing, because the hardware doesn't support it, proper support for multiple sound devices, and switching streams between devices.

[02:09:24]

ElBano:

can someone help me with the db myth errors?

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wagnerrp:

what kind of el cheapo sound hardware doesnt support mixing

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[R]:

atrus: alsa has suported mixing for like 5 years

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atrus:

not to mention applications that increasingly only support pulseaudio for output.

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** patdk-lap just uses alsa:default :) **

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wagnerrp:

ElBano: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407793#407793

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atrus:

alsa:default would also be fine, since pulseaudio catches that :)

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wagnerrp:

atrus: no, nearly all applications continue to support ALSA or OSS output

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atrus:

plus the normal ubuntu config requires alsa for its volume controls anyways. i can't get rid of pulseaudio, period.

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wagnerrp:

ubuntu and fedora patch those programs to disable all but ALSA output

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sphery:

heh, I was just about to post that link for ElBano, but wagnerrp beat me to it.

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ElBano:

ok

[02:11:59]

ElBano:

so i should drop all those tables?

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sphery:

ElBano: yeah, run that command as given

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wagnerrp:

yes, drop the tables and try again

[02:12:23]

wagnerrp:

for whatever reason, your initial database creation faled

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atrus:

wagnerrp: so, anyways, given that i'm using pulseaudio, and will continue to.... is there any way to stop mythtv from suspending pulseaudio these days?

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wagnerrp:

leaving you in a broken state

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ElBano:

ok, that doesn't quite work

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wagnerrp:

atrus: upgrade to trunk, where pulseaudio is properly supported

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ElBano:

if i paste that entire thing in a cosole

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atrus:

wagnerrp: even bad sync (which i've never gotten with pulseaudio and *any* video playing app) would be better than just shutting it off and getting no audio.

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atrus:

wagnerrp: ah, i may try that then.

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sphery:

ElBano: it's probably picking up an extra space at the end

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wagnerrp:

atrus: it doesnt give you no audio

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wagnerrp:

it gives you audio out of alsa

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wagnerrp:

remember, pulseaudio is nothing more than a sound server

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sphery:

ElBano: just copy everything except the EOF line, then paste, then make sure you're on a blank line (with no spaces) and type EOF<enter>

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wagnerrp:

it has no hardware support of its own

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wagnerrp:

it has to sit on top of alsa

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ElBano:

drat, it must have another pword

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wagnerrp:

disabling pulseaudio allows mythtv to access alsa directly

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sphery:

and make sure you have the right password :)

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atrus:

wagnerrp: so, it's true, i could fix it that way... but i get no sound from any other application on the system then.

[02:14:02]

atrus:

which sucks.

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ElBano:

drat!

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sphery:

ElBano: you can change the -umythtv to -uroot if you know (MySQL) root's password

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ElBano:

ok

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wagnerrp:

only while mythtv is actively playing something

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atrus:

(shrug). i'll try a newer mythtv version later, since it sounds like that'll work better.

[02:14:37]

atrus:

wagnerrp: right. so, no ringing from my voip application when i'm watching tv, so i miss calls.

[02:15:10]

ElBano:

ok, done

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sphery:

atrus: ALSA does mixing, too... just have to configure it properly

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sphery:

ElBano: now restart the frontend and it should work this time

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atrus:

anyways, i hate getting into this "is pulseaudio good or bad" argument, so i'm going to stop here. if anybody has tips, i'll be checking irc later.

[02:16:22]

atrus:

thanks.

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ElBano:

ok, done thx

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sphery:

"is <anything> good or bad" is a useless question... "Does <whatever> work with the application I want to run?" is a better one.

[02:16:44]

ElBano:

however, mythtv does not work now:(

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wagnerrp:

well for what its worth, mythtv has always been designed for dedicated use on a tv

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sphery:

ElBano: how so?

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ElBano:

2010-08–08 21:16:42.547 Protocol version check failure.

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ElBano:

The response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION was empty.

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ElBano:

This happens when the backend is too busy to respond,

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ElBano:

or has deadlocked in due to bugs or hardware failure.

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wagnerrp:

youre not supposed to have background programs running

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ElBano:

that outputs when i hit watch tv

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wagnerrp:

ElBano: sounds like your backend is hosed up, restart it

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atrus:

sphery: well, i'd like mythtv working with alsa. in this case, alsa happens to go to pulseaudio. that works great, if mythtv doesn't just shut it off.

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ElBano:

is it me or is the mythtv binary no longer around?

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sphery:

atrus: so change alsa to not use Pulse

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wagnerrp:

the 'EXPERIMENTALLY_ALLOW_PULSE_AUDIO' environmental variable may allow mythfrontend to not disable pulse

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atrus:

sphery: not an option, as discussed. thanks.

[02:18:12]

wagnerrp:

but i think it was renamed to something else

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atrus:

wagnerrp: doesn't work anymore.

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atrus:

it changed to DEBUG_PULSE_AUDIO_ALSA_EMULATION. now that doesn't work either. (shrug)

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ElBano:

when i click watch tv

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ElBano:

it doesn't do anything:O

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** sphery loves the design that makes a low-level device driver layer (ALSA) configured to use a high-level application layer audio API (PulseAudio), which uses a low-level device driver layer... **

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wagnerrp:

ElBano: the 'mythtv' binary was a test application, a shortcut into the video decoder libraries

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wagnerrp:

it was never intended for use by end users, and has been renamed to mythavtest

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atrus:

sphery: as support for legacy apps, that works great.

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ElBano:

i get thee errors when telling it to watch live tv

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wagnerrp:

atrus: no, it doesnt

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ElBano:

MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/bdi,

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ElBano:

eno: No such file or directory (2)

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ElBano:

eno: No such file or directory (2)

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ElBano:

2010-08–08 21:17:26.295 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/power,

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ElBano:

eno: No such file or directory (2)

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ElBano:

MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/trace,

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ElBano:

eno: No such file or directory (2)

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sphery:

atrus: only if the legacy apps don't need precise control over timing of audio

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atrus:

anyways, i'm off.

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wagnerrp:

pulse's ALSA emulation is incomplete at best

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sphery:

ElBano: those are typical... should disappear in 0.24

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wagnerrp:

which is why it typically causes problems when people try to use it with mythtv

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ElBano:

ok, so i wonder why when i click watch tv nothing happens:O

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sphery:

ElBano: did you look at your mythbackend logs?

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wagnerrp:

ElBano: check your backend logs

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ElBano:

ok

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ElBano:

it says mythtv is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?

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sphery:

I'm trying to figure out if Squirrelio is a real thing or just part of this show

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wagnerrp:

?

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sphery:

FlashForward

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wagnerrp:

thats still on the air?

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sphery:

no, just watching it after its death

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sphery:

seems it's only on the show

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sphery:

http://flashforward.wikia.com/wiki/Squirrelio

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wagnerrp:

give it time, you will delete it too

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sphery:

heh, yeah, starting to see why people complained it was slow

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wagnerrp:

its more than that

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sphery:

seems like 50% of the episode is clips from previous eps (and I've watched 2 episodes so far)

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wagnerrp:

shows like this, youre supposed to grow to like the characters, want them to succeed

[02:25:34]

wagnerrp:

i grew to hate them, because they kept screwing up in stupid ways

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Beirdo:

sit_on_this( and_rotate = true );

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sphery:

heh

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ElBano:

does this mean anything?

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ElBano:

2010-08–08 21:25:35.192 Protocol version check failure.

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ElBano:

The response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION was empty.

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wagnerrp:

when you /hate/ the characters in a show, the show is doomed

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sphery:

ElBano: means your frontend isn't talking to the backend properly

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ElBano:

2010-08–08 21:20:59.617 MythSocket(fdac00:23): readStringList: Error, timed out after 30000 ms.

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ElBano:

what do i do, sir?

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sphery:

ElBano: are you getting errors in the backend log file?

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wagnerrp:

is the backend actually running?

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ElBano:

2010-08–08 21:20:59.617 MythSocket(fdac00:23): readStringList: Error, timed out after 30000 ms.

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ElBano:

QMutex::unlock: mutex lock failure: Invalid argument

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ElBano:

yes, that's the last thing the backend is saying

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wagnerrp:

or has something taken its place on that port for some reason

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sphery:

yeah, that's not even a quick timeout (7s)--it's a full 30s timeout

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ElBano:

what do i doooooooooooooooo

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sphery:

ElBano: seems the backend is deadlocked (which explains its not responding)

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sphery:

restart the backend, like wagnerrp suggested

[02:27:20]

ElBano:

well, i keep doing that

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ElBano:

also mythweb is uber slow

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sphery:

mythweb can cause the backend to lock up when requesting previews if you don't already have previes

[02:28:09]

sphery:

you should really get the backend working, then the frontend

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ElBano:

ok, what do i do?

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sphery:

then, scroll through Watch Recordings letting it generate previews

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sphery:

that's not to say this is what's happening here, but that's one way to cause what you're seeing

[02:28:45]

sphery:

so it's possible

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sphery:

but restart the backend, don't do anything with mythweb, make sure the backend is running ok, then try starting the frontend

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ElBano:

ok2010-08–08 21:30:00.255 MythSocket(1f13850:23): readStringList: Error, timed out after 30000 ms.

[02:30:06]

ElBano:

QMutex::unlock: mutex lock failure: Invalid argument

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ElBano:

i get that just from running mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

stupid KVM switch

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wagnerrp:

has some funky proprietary connector on the switch side of the bonded cables

[02:30:41]

wagnerrp:

meaning i cant just buy longer replacements anywhere

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patdk-lap:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/QkugbU6E

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** [R] loves vendor lock in **

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patdk-lap:

that is what I keep getting

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sphery:

ElBano: sounds like you haven't properly configured your IP addresses and hostnames for mythbackend, so it thinks it's a remote backend and can't find the master backend

[02:31:46]

sphery:

ElBano: you have to get the master backend running first, then the rest

[02:32:29]

sphery:

ElBano: and if you have more than one host using MythTV, you /cannot/ use 127.0.0.1 or localhost anywhere in the configuration (and if you have only one host, you /shouldn't/ use 127.0.0.1 or localhost anywhere in the configuration, anyway)

[02:32:46]

ElBano:

ok

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sphery:

and your hostname and IP address need to stay constant--so if you're using DHCP, make sure it always assigns the same address

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ElBano:

well weird

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ElBano:

2010-08–08 21:29:29.249 MediaServer:: Loopback address specified – 127.0.0.1. Disabling UPnP

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ElBano:

2010-08–08 21:29:30.254 Connecting to master server: 192.168.1.150:6543

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ElBano:

2010-08–08 21:29:30.255 Connected successfully

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sphery:

yeah, you need to fix your configuration in mythtv-seutp

[02:33:29]

sphery:

mythtv-setup

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ElBano:

can i have local and master backend as 192.168.1.150?

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sphery:

yeah, both should be identical on the master backend host

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sphery:

so assuming that's the proper IP address for that host, it should be that :)

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ElBano:

thx sir

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ElBano:

2010-08–08 21:40:15.820 TV Error: StartRecorder() — timed out waiting for recorder to start

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ElBano:

2010-08–08 21:40:15.820 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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ElBano:

sphery, :(

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sphery:

ElBano: that's progress, though--it means your backend is properly configured

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sphery:

ElBano: now you likely just need to configure the capture cards, video sources, and input connections inside it

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sphery:

i.e. the rest of mythtv-setup

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ElBano:

i thought i did that

[02:42:01]

ElBano:

hmm

[02:42:30]

sphery:

ElBano: in that case, the broken IP probably caused misconfiguration

[02:42:48]

ElBano:

drat, i cant remember if default input is tuner, svideo or composite

[02:42:50]

sphery:

do both the video sources /and/ the capture cards portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[02:43:09]

ElBano:

err

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sphery:

if you don't do it that way, things will likely fail at some point (possibly tonight, possibly in 6 months)

[02:43:14]

ElBano:

the using the coax

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sphery:

i.e. Delete all is the key

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ElBano:

drat! same thing

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ElBano:

i click on watch tv

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sphery:

did you do the delete all part?

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ElBano:

10-08–08 21:44:42.373 NVR(/dev/video1): Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back

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ElBano:

2010-08–08 21:44:42.418 ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '1002_20100808214442.nuv'

[02:45:09]

ElBano:

VIDIOCGMBUF:: Invalid argument

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sphery:

that looks like maybe you set up a PVR-x50 as a V4L card instead of an MPEG encoder

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ElBano:

oh

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sphery:

what type of capture card do you have?

[02:46:27]

ElBano:

pvr 150mce

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ElBano:

ok, that fixed it:)

[02:46:51]

ElBano:

did you guys ever add PA support?:)

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sphery:

heh

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ElBano:

is that a no?:)

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ElBano:

i know you were talking about PA earlier, but i wasn't following at the time

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sphery:

there will be better support in 0.24 when it's released

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ElBano:

oh ok

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ElBano:

thx

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sphery:

you don't want to use it with 0.23...

[02:56:20]

Beirdo:

oh no...

[02:56:29]

Beirdo:

a Spice Girl on Top Gear

[02:56:58]

sphery:

heh, which one?

[02:57:03]

Beirdo:

let's see how bad she drives

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[R]:

lol

[02:57:22]

Beirdo:

Geri Halliwell

[02:57:43]

sphery:

so not Sporty? I'd have thought that since driving is a sport...

[02:57:59]

Beirdo:

nope.

[02:58:25]

Beirdo:

1:55.4 lap time

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[R]:

which one was she?

[02:58:34]

Beirdo:

could be a lot worse...

[02:58:39]

Beirdo:

Ginger, I think

[02:59:04]

Beirdo:

yup, according to Wikipedia

[02:59:13]

** Beirdo is scared that he actually remembered **

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sphery:

yeah, I'm worried I knew there was a Sporty

[02:59:55]

[R]:

i remember sporty, posh, and baby

[03:00:00]

Beirdo:

hey, it's part of history

[03:00:31]

sphery:

yeah, but until it's been on The History Channel, it's not /that/ big a part of History :)

[03:00:47]

Beirdo:

haha

[03:00:59]

Beirdo:

well then pawn shops are a part of history

[03:01:34]

[R]:

pawn shops have been around for ever

[03:01:36]

Beirdo:

hey, she was the one that broke the group up... hope for her yet

[03:01:57]

[R]:

i've never seen spiceworld

[03:02:05]

[R]:

i almost did once

[03:02:05]

Beirdo:

keep it that way

[03:02:06]

Beirdo:

heh

[03:02:13]

[R]:

haha

[03:02:23]

[R]:

i generally am not a fan of british people

[03:02:42]

[R]:

oh snap... jersey shore is just so ridiculous

[03:02:51]

sphery:

wagnerrp: starting to see what you meant about making stupid mistakes

[03:03:05]

wagnerrp:

?

[03:04:03]

Beirdo:

ugh

[03:04:16]

Beirdo:

now people are bitching about mythmusic->upnp

[03:04:40]

Beirdo:

sit_on_this( and_rotate = optional );

[03:04:52]

Beirdo:

it will all get fixed in time

[03:05:41]

Beirdo:

almost ready to try this code, which I bet won't work right outta the gate

[03:05:42]

** sphery tries to ignore a certain post on a list by a guy who seems to invent "critical" failures of MythTV or anything related to it **

[03:06:04]

Beirdo:

apply the PEBCAK filter

[03:06:17]

sphery:

heh

[03:06:36]

Beirdo:

if we did that the -users list would be so quiet

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sphery:

let's just say this guy is saying that TMS data is all screwed up and he's getting all sorts of repeats of the same programid for different episodes or different programids for the exact same episode (but with different subtitle/description)

[03:07:09]

wagnerrp:

isnt the -users list specifically /for/ PEBCAK?

[03:07:30]

wagnerrp:

it they were legitimate issues with mythtv, it would be in -commits or -dev

[03:07:34]

Beirdo:

hmm, ywah, I guess so

[03:07:43]

sphery:

of course, this guy is /not/ using mythfilldatabase "normally"... he's running a set of (unpublished) automated tools for "attribution" so he can backtrack and find all these errors

[03:07:52]

Beirdo:

heh

[03:07:59]

wagnerrp:

attribution?

[03:08:04]

Beirdo:

and the shows likely aren't identical

[03:08:16]

Beirdo:

i.e. edited slightly differently

[03:08:24]

sphery:

the automated tools download SD data (don't know if he uses tv_grab_na_dd or other, don't know if he uses raw format or xmltv format), then he uses mythfilldatabase to insert the file data into mythtv

[03:08:32]

sphery:

and TTBOMK, he's running 0.20.1

[03:08:37]

Beirdo:

hahah

[03:08:41]

Virindi:

this is probably a stupid question, but is the only way to run a separate frontend on a linux system to have the EXACT same build of mythfrontend as the backend server? It's really causing a problem...

[03:08:57]

wagnerrp:

this the guy who keeps telling us to all go f- ourselves?

[03:09:00]

Beirdo:

Virindi: the only way to do so consistenly, yes

[03:09:13]

Beirdo:

consistently that is

[03:09:20]

sphery:

Virindi: same branch and revision for all systems is the only supported configuration

[03:09:26]

wagnerrp:

Virindi: technically, you only need two builds that speak the same thing

[03:09:35]

wagnerrp:

same database schema, same protocol version

[03:09:35]

Beirdo:

the protocol version, db schema version, etc must match

[03:09:39]

Virindi:

well

[03:09:45]

sphery:

Virindi: if you use a -fixes branch, then you are /likely/ good as long as they're within the same release version

[03:09:48]

Beirdo:

and the easiest way... precisely same build

[03:10:19]

Virindi:

my desktop is a different distro than my myth server, so my only choice is to find the revision the server was built against and then go build that? seems like a huge pita

[03:10:22]

Beirdo:

we don't really suggest mismatching builds, even if compatible

[03:10:28]

sphery:

but if you mix and match, and things break, you get to keep both pieces

[03:10:51]

sphery:

Virindi: read closely what I said

[03:11:15]

sphery:

Virindi: basically, don't run trunk, and just stick with one version of MythTV on all systems

[03:11:29]

sphery:

and it will generally work across different revisions

[03:11:35]

Virindi:

I was just attempting to use the one that comes with the distro

[03:11:36]

sphery:

i.e. 0.23.1 on all systems

[03:11:38]

wagnerrp:

if the server is running 0.23, run 0.23 on the client

[03:11:42]

Virindi:

but they are different

[03:11:47]

wagnerrp:

if the server is running 0.23.1, run 0.23.1 on the client

[03:11:58]

wagnerrp:

what specifically is different?

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sphery:

then you likely have 0.23 (pre-release) on one and 0.23.1 on the other

[03:12:02]

sphery:

so upgrade

[03:12:22]

sphery:

basically, give us specifics and we'll tell you how to fix it

[03:12:23]

wagnerrp:

give us the exact error the client is giving you

[03:12:31]

Beirdo:

or if you are insane and like being on the bleeding edge... run trunk on all, but that's not really suggested for non-devs unless you essentially are ready to triage bugs as it goes along.

[03:12:48]

sphery:

and read /all/ messages on -commits and -dev lists

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** Beirdo is insane **

[03:12:56]

Beirdo:

yup

[03:13:03]

sphery:

and yup :)

[03:13:09]

Beirdo:

:)

[03:13:11]

sphery:

(joke, you're not)

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Virindi:

my server is only running 0.21

[03:13:22]

sphery:

ah, well, you can't mix 0.21 and 0.23

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** Beirdo chokes **

[03:13:36]

Beirdo:

wow. that's... old

[03:13:40]

Virindi:

I set it up a long, long time ago and it was a huge pain to make everything work so I haven't wanted to break it

[03:13:47]

wagnerrp:

not really, less than a year

[03:13:55]

sphery:

well, the world moved on without you

[03:13:59]

Beirdo:

heh. Old.

[03:14:01]

Beirdo:

hehe

[03:14:02]

Virindi:

hmmf

[03:14:06]

sphery:

so either find 0.21 for your other system or catch up :)

[03:14:29]

wagnerrp:

come on beirdo, werent you running 0.18 or some such until very recently?

[03:14:30]

sphery:

FWIW, 0.23.1 is well worth the upgrade

[03:14:40]

sphery:

if you just want everything to work, TiVo has some nice boxes

[03:14:40]

Beirdo:

shhh.

[03:14:41]

Virindi:

it's a bit disappointing, because it is so easy to use on windows with the mythtv player app

[03:14:52]

Beirdo:

it wasn't running much, but yeah

[03:15:01]

Beirdo:

I had a 4-year hiatus.

[03:15:11]

wagnerrp:

Virindi: do you need livetv on windows?

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sphery:

ah, yeah, I don't think mythtv player works with 0.23.1

[03:15:20]

wagnerrp:

it doesnt

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Virindi:

0.21 is pretty buggy, I bet all that is resolved...hmm

[03:15:31]

Virindi:

nah, I don't use livetv at all

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wagnerrp:

if you need livetv, you can try running the official frontend on windows

[03:15:47]

sphery:

great, then just use Samba and mythlink.pl

[03:15:49]

wagnerrp:

otherwise, just use mythlink.pl and samba

[03:16:14]

sphery:

yeah, skip the windows frontend--you'll be the blood on the bleeding edge with it

[03:16:20]

Virindi:

heh

[03:16:22]

sphery:

so if you don't do LiveTV, there's no point

[03:16:36]

Virindi:

I tried to build the frontend on cygwin iirc several years ago

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Virindi:

that was amusing

[03:16:39]

sphery:

but 0.23.1 is really nice

[03:16:56]

sphery:

yeah, it's now mingw and it's probabyl no less "amusing" :)

[03:18:01]

Beirdo:

gurk

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Beirdo:

I want fopen... in Qt

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sphery:

heh, yeah, Qt's file access is, er, obtuse

[03:18:27]

Beirdo:

maybe I'll just use fopen

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Beirdo:

well, I need the FILE* to pass to C

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sphery:

ah, yeah

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Virindi:

mythlink.pl seems pretty handy for what I want, thanks

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Beirdo:

so, until I find a better way... fopen it is :)

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sphery:

Virindi: and with 0.23+ you can run it as a system event so links are created immediately upon recording start :)

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sphery:

Virindi: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl

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Virindi:

yes I'm at that page now

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sphery:

Beirdo: oh, no... QFile::handle() isn't supported on Windows CE ( http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qfile.html#handle )!

[03:21:06]

sphery:

there goes my plan for putting mythfrontend on my iPaq

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Beirdo:

hehe

[03:21:26]

Beirdo:

still not good enough

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sphery:

heh, which I just noticed is like an iPad where the "d" fell over (into the page)

[03:21:36]

Beirdo:

that gives the fd, I need the FILE* :)

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sphery:

oh

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Beirdo:

QFile lets me USE a FILE* in open

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Beirdo:

but that's backwards... that's OK.

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Beirdo:

it's gonna use fopen. bleh :)

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Beirdo:

welll

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Beirdo:

I could use QFile... then ::handle... then fdopen on the fd

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Beirdo:

but why bother?

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sphery:

yeah

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Beirdo:

OOoooh, he's driving the Ferrarri F60 owned by Pink Floyd's drummer

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Beirdo:

and the Stig's playing.... Pink Floyd (of course)

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Beirdo:

1:19.0

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Beirdo:

fastest lap ever. Nice car

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sphery:

little faster than Ginger

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Beirdo:

hehe, yeah, and a much better car

[03:27:54]

Beirdo:

the celebs get to drive a "normal" car, forget the model, but much like a Toyota Corolla

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sphery:

and it's not fast--what with the no stopping and all?

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sphery:

(I can say that--I own a Toyota)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

so do I

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Beirdo:

too bad it's still in PR

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Beirdo:

but no way I'm paying to bring a Yaris to the mainland. Hell to the no.

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sphery:

mine's still in FL--which actually works out well

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wagnerrp:

the toyotas usually do in the 150s

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wagnerrp:

good celeb drivers can get in the 1:40s

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sphery:

heh, I drove a Yaris once--on my XBox

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wagnerrp:

mediocre is high 1:50s to 2:00s

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sphery:

(free game from Toyota)

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Beirdo:

yeah, most of them can do 1:40s

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wagnerrp:

most can now?

[03:29:42]

Beirdo:

well, most that don't suck :)

[03:29:43]

Beirdo:

hehe

[03:29:46]

wagnerrp:

guess ive not seen a recent board

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ok, 137 Sekunden makes me mad

[03:30:18]

Beirdo:

most that I've seen in the last bit have been high 1:40s

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Beirdo:

next crappy show...

[03:30:54]

Beirdo:

Scrappers, I think

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wagnerrp:

the fastest is 1:45

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wagnerrp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8Mmo834ZW4

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Beirdo:

do we save filenames other than .nuv and .mpg?

[03:36:01]

wagnerrp:

nope

[03:36:26]

Beirdo:

so stripping .mpg, .nuv and replacing with .ifo would be OK?

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Beirdo:

I have compilage

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Beirdo:

oooh boy.

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Beirdo:

of course... the backend is busy

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highzeth:

Cameron Diaz did it in 1:45.2, Tom Cruise 1:44.2 in the last series, new car is a Hyundai

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wagnerrp:

well that just ruins everything

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highzeth:

Newest Bugatti did a mean lap too, believe it broke fastest lap

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wagnerrp:

it beat 1:10?

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highzeth:

stby, checking recording now, it did place at the top I believe

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Beirdo:

highzeth: haven't seen it

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highzeth:

s15 finished last sunday =)

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highzeth:

1:16.8 Bu

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kormoc:

Wikipedia calls the new car a Chevrolet Lacetti

[03:54:06]

highzeth:

Bugatti

[03:54:19]

kormoc:

Chevrolet Lacetti

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wagnerrp:

some ferrari (FXX) was 1:10

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highzeth:

no, thats the previous one, they started with the Hyundai in last season

[03:54:35]

kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_in_a_Reason . . . 2006-2010.29

[03:55:11]

kormoc:

Oh wait, it's a Kia Cee now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_in_a_Reason . . . d_.282010.29

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highzeth:

Kia? hmm ok

[03:56:10]

** kormoc shrugs **

[03:56:23]

kormoc:

if you changed it to say it's a space shuttle, I'd be saying that, so...

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highzeth:

Bugatti Veyron SS 1.16.8, Gumbert 1.17.1, Ascari Aio 1.17.3

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wagnerrp:

oh, the FXX failed 'road legal' requirements

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highzeth:

that might be yeah

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

1:10.7 – Ferrari FXX (Driven by Michael Schumacher on slick tyres)

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wagnerrp:

not stig?

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kormoc:

not according to wikipedia

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kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Top_Gear . . . er_Lap_Times

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wagnerrp:

was that the one where they had schumacher dressed up as the stig?

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Beirdo:

yeah, I think so

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wagnerrp:

heh... an F1 did it under a minute wet

[03:59:49]

wagnerrp:

really gives a nice comparison to cars you can buy (if youre super wealthy)

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Beirdo:

and know how to drive :)

[04:00:18]

wagnerrp:

who says you have to know how to drive?

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Beirdo:

../../libs/libmythdvdauthor/libmythdvdauthor-0.23.so: undefined reference to `DVDAuthor::FrameToPTS(unsigned long, unsigned int)'

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Beirdo:

to do lap times like that, you need to or you are in the grass or flipped

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wagnerrp:

my sister claimed in orlando, they would have a story at least once a month of someone crashing their brand new ferrari/lamburghini on the way home from the dealer

[04:01:19]

Beirdo:

wonder why that reference can't be found

[04:01:57]

Beirdo:

haha

[04:02:01]

Beirdo:

because I'm an idiot

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highzeth:

Jeff Goldblum ended this season, he didnt do too well, drove in 3rd gear throughout the lap

[04:02:33]

Beirdo:

forgot the DVDAuthor:: in front of the definition in the .cpp file

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wagnerrp:

...wow

[04:03:21]

Beirdo:

hahah

[04:03:26]

Beirdo:

woohoo

[04:03:31]

Beirdo:

it compiled

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** Beirdo is scared to actually try this **

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Beirdo:

git diff commflag-6824 | wc -l

[04:05:05]

Beirdo:

18138

[04:05:19]

Beirdo:

hehe. mondo changes :)

[04:05:39]

Beirdo:

of course, a good chunk of that is straight outta dvdauthor code

[04:06:22]

Beirdo:

I was gonna redact just what I needed

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Beirdo:

but it was just too much work, so I likely have some code I don't really need, but screw... it...

[04:09:25]

Beirdo:

OK, WHAT in the heck is wrong with our qmake setup?

[04:09:43]

Beirdo:

libmythdvdauthor depends on every library in the world somehow

[04:10:28]

Beirdo:

something to look into later

[04:11:06]

Beirdo:

probably just my stupidity :)

[04:15:26]

Beirdo:

oooh, and I broke something... there's a surprise :)

[04:20:06]

Beirdo:

and fixed

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Beirdo:

abqjp: how's it goin?

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abqjp:

Not bad. I have sent a patch to high-rez and __benny__ to try. Just a proof-of-concept, but I am pretty sure I understand the problem.

[04:31:50]

Beirdo:

cool

[04:32:49]

Beirdo:

I've just finished the first pass at creating an IFO file

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Beirdo:

no idea if I did it right ;)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I expect coredumpas

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abqjp:

Interesting. Why?

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Beirdo:

to do commskipping on UPnP

[04:34:10]

abqjp:

Ah. That could be cool.

[04:34:17]

Beirdo:

apparently, if you want a break in PTS, you need to provide a IFO file

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Beirdo:

which ain't the easiest thing in the world to create, it seems

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Beirdo:

I sucked in most of the code of dvdauthor as a library so I can reuse their IFO creation

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abqjp:

So, you could use some Samsung TVs with their network content features to work as a "front end"?

[04:35:19]

Beirdo:

yes

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Beirdo:

that's actually my main test platform

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Beirdo:

heh

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abqjp:

Cool.

[04:35:38]

Beirdo:

Samsung 32C550

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Beirdo:

I have another UPnP client which won't even play H.264, so it's useless in my setup

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Beirdo:

and the DirecTV HD Receiver doesn't like H.264 either

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Beirdo:

so far

[04:37:11]

Beirdo:

I'm thinking of getting a newer UPnP client

[04:37:47]

Beirdo:

but the TV is still my main test client at this point :)

[04:37:51]

abqjp:

My Sister has a fairly new Samsung LCD. If you get that working, I may have to try and set something up for her. Main reason I have not, is cost of backend/frontend hardware.

[04:38:50]

Beirdo:

yeah. it seems to work generally OK as it is in trunk, just no commskip of any sorts

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Beirdo:

the TV part generally works

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Beirdo:

the music part... no idea

[04:39:20]

Beirdo:

the photos part... no clue yet

[04:39:40]

Beirdo:

It will all get there eventually

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Beirdo:

this is a stinking huge commitset though

[04:41:13]

Beirdo:

heh. #3580 was the basis of the idea, but it's been almost completely rehashed

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abqjp:

I bet.

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Beirdo:

the M3U thing didn't work for crap

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Beirdo:

so I'm actually feeding it in chunks

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abqjp:

Sorry, gotta go. Talk to you tomorrow.

[04:42:09]

Beirdo:

although the client sees it as contiguous other than the PTS issue

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Beirdo:

no prob

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Beirdo:

Ciao

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Beirdo:

oh no, and Aussie :)

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Beirdo:

an even

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

Beirdo: what did it do (or not do?)

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sphery:

want me to try?

[05:21:09]

Beirdo:

it does squat

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k-man:

what is the status of displaying subtitles using the internal mythvideo player?

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Beirdo:

go for it

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Beirdo:

it says the change has been modified or something, but no deletion happens

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sphery:

Yeah, I see your comment about not letting you delete it

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wagnerrp:

yeah, it just does nothing

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Beirdo:

got borked in the last trac upgrade?

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sphery:

I get "Timestamp 'None' not valid"

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wagnerrp:

thats because beirdo borked it

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sphery:

hmmm... though it did change the comment

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Beirdo:

heh. how?

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wagnerrp:

him editing it made it go from doing nothing, to erroring when you try to delete it

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Beirdo:

oh nice

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Beirdo:

trac--

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Beirdo:

stupid thing

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sphery:

yeah, probably needs someone with sqlite access to do anything about it now

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sphery:

don't know if it's related to the upgrade

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kormoc:

must be

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kormoc:

the timestamp on the change is null

[05:25:32]

Beirdo:

I'd expect it is related to the last upgrade, but I dunno

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sphery:

kormoc: do you have sqlite access?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, because deletes used to work

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kormoc:

sphery, likely

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

like me--doesn't know what all power others have entrusted to him

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kormoc:

Heh

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Beirdo:

blast it... backend's recording until midnight

[05:27:59]

Beirdo:

kinda wanted to start putting stuff into the entertainment unit

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sphery:

I have to wonder why so many DVD/BluRay disc ads are in letter + pillar boxed aspect

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sphery:

(still, even)

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Beirdo:

most movies aren't 16:9

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sphery:

but they're doing both

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Beirdo:

they are even wider screen, last I heard

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sphery:

so it's not just letterboxing a 2.35:1

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Beirdo:

you'd think it would be

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sphery:

it's a "small rectangle in the middle of the screen" thing

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Beirdo:

yeah, that IS odd

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Beirdo:

unless they size it for 4:3 so they don't need to make two versions

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sphery:

likeyeah

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sphery:

but we've been on ATSC for how long, now?

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Beirdo:

you been to the Valley lately? :)

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Beirdo:

ummm, a lot of channels are still SD

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Beirdo:

ATSC != HD

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Beirdo:

I'm hungry

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Beirdo:

make me a sammich

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sphery:

so are some channels still using ntsc?

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sphery:

or maybe some just choose not to use anamorphic widescreen on their edtv broadcasts?

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sphery:

anyway, it's annoying

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Beirdo:

ummm ATSC also includes 480i/480p transmissions

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sphery:

right, but allows for widescreen

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Beirdo:

it should, yeah

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Beirdo:

but I'd bet most 480i ATSC is 4:3

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Beirdo:

and crappy

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sphery:

yeah, likely

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sphery:

I guess if they're not upgrading resolution or anything, why do AFDs

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Beirdo:

something like that :)

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Beirdo:

ah crap

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Beirdo:

forgot to force config.h to commit

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I had done .gitignore for config.*

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Beirdo:

which needed overriding in that dir :)

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Beirdo:

compiling it on the dev box

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dtrott:

With a HDHomeRun Tuner am I right in thinking that all the encoding is done on the tuner so if the playback is smooth but not quite as high quality as directly viewing the same channel on the TV that there is nothing that can be done on the myth side ?

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Beirdo:

that would be my expectation

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kormoc:

dtrott, it's capturing the digital signal, no encoding/reencoding going on, so it should be exactly the same picture

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kormoc:

dtrott, try enabling/changing your deinterlacers?

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k-man:

dtrott: is this a US hdhomerun or another country?

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dtrott:

US

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dtrott:

Sorry I was waiting for it to finish its channel scan before adjusting the deinterlacers

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dtrott:

using a mac mini for front and backend if it makes a difference

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k-man:

dtrott: i believe the US model does encode onboard, but I'm not sure

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k-man:

dtrott: oh that's interesting – a friend is considering the same setup. running osx? or linux?

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dtrott:

OSX Server

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sphery:

HDHomeRun is a digital tuner, meaning it captures the already-encoded digital signal and just dumps it for MythTV to write to disk

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k-man:

oh... why did you choose OSX ServeR?

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sphery:

the broadcaster or re-broadcaster encodes it

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k-man:

sphery: i thought the US version captures analogue?

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sphery:

but the important point is that the cojmputer doesn't

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sphery:

no, HDHR is a digital tuner

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sphery:

the HD-PVR is analog

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Beirdo:

ATSC/QAM, correct?

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k-man:

dtrott: ok, i know nothing about the US hdhr, please ignore all advice from me on that topic ;)

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sphery:

right

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dtrott:

Server because there are two drives and I wanted the flexibility to RAID additionally I wasn't sure if I wanted to use any of the other functionality for example I didn't have to install mysql cause it ships with it.

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k-man:

dtrott: does the mac mini have 2 drives in it? or are they external to the mac mini?

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dtrott:

internal but it has no DVD/cdrom drive

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k-man:

oh, i see

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kormoc:

I use a mac mini with linux as my MBE/FE, I like the optical drive for the FE feature and I use external USB drives to record to and I use a HDPVR as my recording device

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Beirdo:

don't forget your commflagging monster :)

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kormoc:

Heh, yeah

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kormoc:

dtrott, you're not using the OS X frontend are you?

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dtrott:

Yes both on the same machine

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kormoc:

oh, you said you were

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kormoc:

your playback performance might be entirely that

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k-man:

dtrott: how do you find it stability wise? does the fe ever crash?

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kormoc:

while it does work, it's hardly optimal

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dtrott:

Haven't used it enough yet to say

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kormoc:

you might have to play with the video render, I find quartz works better, but YMMV and opengl might do wonders for you

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dtrott:

Sorry guys I am still a newbie with myth I think I had the playback set to 640x480 on a 1080p stream hence the frontend was having to downgrade.

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Beirdo:

I need to buy wood screws

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Beirdo:

gotta put more Ikea shelves together, and the crosspieces need screws. yaya

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Beirdo:

kormoc: there's no Lowes or Home Depot downtown, is there?

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kormoc:

Beirdo, nah, south seattle has a home depot that's fairly easy to get to

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Beirdo:

I know Lowes is pretty close to me here (but on Rainier... getting to the sketchy area)

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kormoc:

whatcha looking for?

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Beirdo:

box of wood screws :)

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Beirdo:

Ace Hardware would work too

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Beirdo:

#4 x 3/4", I think, but not sure. I'll bring one with me whereever I go

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Beirdo:

it's always the little basic things that end up being large roadblocks :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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dtrott:

Ok front end just crashed :-)

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Beirdo:

crashy crashy!

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kormoc:

http://www.cityhardwareseattle.com/Home.html looks like the best option

[07:03:29]

kormoc:

south lake union

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Beirdo:

oooh, ride the slut

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kormoc:

yeah

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Beirdo:

that does look like a good option, thanks :)

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Beirdo:

gonna mount the firewall box's VESA mount bracket inside the cabinet too

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clever:

QWaitCondition: cannot wait on recursive mutexes

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clever:

mythfilldatabase is spamming again, inf loop!

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clever:

that line is in my log 7,988,810 times

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Beirdo:

OK, moved my TV and myth setup

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Beirdo:

now to get it to restart

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

Oh I see

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Beirdo:

doesn't like my USB hub, eh?

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Beirdo:

pfft

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grumpydevil:

about opengl

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grumpydevil:

is it possible to compile 0.23 without opengl?

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grumpydevil:

when i compile with --disable-opengl-video and --disable-opengl-vsync it still errors out in util-opengl.cpp

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grumpydevil:

background problem is that the nvidia GPU does not support GLX 1.4, only 1.3 :(

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Beirdo:

huh?

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grumpydevil:

old system... but usable for mythfrontend using only SD

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grumpydevil:

embedded vanta GPU, no AGP slot, no PCIe

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Beirdo:

oh CRAP

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Beirdo:

my sound is all buggered again

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Beirdo:

bet I forgot to put the lousy kernel option into my modules config

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Beirdo:

I swear... every time I even LOOK at my sound setup....

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Beirdo:

OK, got it

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Beirdo:

seems now it simply wants to be hooked up with matching colors, and straight through, in the sensible way

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Beirdo:

and my stupid mixer settings had rear/center/LFE muted?!

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Beirdo:

there. saved the state so it SHOULD come back next reboot

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Beirdo:

stupid computers

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Beirdo:

TV looks better up off the floor, BTW

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Beirdo:

I hate Windows commercials :)

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justinh:

I hate commercials :)

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Beirdo:

I hate Windows :)

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Beirdo:

and I hate computers sometimes

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justinh:

saw a load of them while we had visitors. They didn't know the magic incantation they needed to make the PVR work (i.e. select AV2)

[10:16:07]

justinh:

they still watch everything live, bless em

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

crap. getting on for 12pm again. where is all the time going?

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Beirdo:

I dunno

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Beirdo:

only 3:15am

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Beirdo:

I should go the heck to bed

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justinh:

very organised today though. washed all the bottles, washed up, put a load of washing in, cleaned the changing mat again, taken the nappy compactor bag out, sterilised all the bottles... busy busy

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at0m:

justinh: that won't change for some time to come ;)

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justinh:

heh I'd be going to bed if it was 3.15 in the am here. if I had the chance ;)

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justinh:

at0m: I don't need telling that :)

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Beirdo:

justinh: understood

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at0m:

:)

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Beirdo:

:)

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justinh:

course, when the maid comes & takes over it'll be different

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justinh:

oh wait.. we don't have one

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Beirdo:

get one... just not too sexy...

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

we have to go out & buy some things soon. methinks we should already be preparing for that lol

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Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

a friend of ours said if you need to be somewhere at 12, start getting ready at 8

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

two minutes left on this recording... then bed

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Beirdo:

gotta watch to the end of Rescue Me :)

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Beirdo:

night

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Beirdo:

comfy warm bed beckons

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mattwj2002:

hi everyone

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mattwj2002:

I am most impressed with mythtv

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mattwj2002:

it has been a while since I have played with it....it is great :D

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mattwj2002:

now if I could just afford another HDHomeRun haha

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Virindi:

ummmmm crap

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Virindi:

is it possible that by merely attempting to connect to an older version backend with a newer version frontend, the DB was upgraded

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Virindi:

because now my backend refuses to start claiming the DB is a newer version than known

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Virindi:

if that is so, it is horrible behavior :(

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mattwj2002:

that sounds like the issue

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mattwj2002:

:(

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patdk-lap:

you did backup your database first? :)

[11:51:22]

Virindi:

no, all I did was try to connect with a frontend, and it gave an error message about being too new

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mattwj2002:

anyone know how to check the temp of your computer?

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Virindi:

why the heck does the frontend upgrade the db, that really needs to be changed

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mattwj2002:

mine sounds like it is running a bit hot?

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mattwj2002:

the cli I mean

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** at0m celebrates daily backups \o/ **

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sid3windr:

Virindi: who else should do it?

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sid3windr:

backend does not run mythvideo

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Virindi:

the backend, obviously

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sid3windr:

obviously

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sid3windr:

:]

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Virindi:

:P

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sid3windr:

but I agree frontend should not speak mysql at all

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sid3windr:

protocol is kind of getting there :)

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sid3windr:

people are working on it

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sid3windr:

but the backend does not run mythvideo

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sid3windr:

and that has its own schema

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Virindi:

I know, but

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Virindi:

still I would expect the backend to be the 'manager' of the db

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Virindi:

the frontend should only change stuff when you do it in the gui

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Virindi:

or at the very very least, have a warning yes/no message "do you want to upgrade your db"

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mattwj2002:

would lm-sensors work?

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patdk-lap:

depends on your computer :)

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patdk-lap:

lm-sensors, ipmi-sensors, or who knows

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Virindi:

I guess I have to go actually compile myth now, I can't use packages anymore :(

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mattwj2002:

okay my CPU is at 49 C

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mattwj2002:

is that too hot?

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Virindi:

no

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mattwj2002:

currently encoding some video

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

motherboard 44 C

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Virindi:

it depends on the type too, but that sounds in the normal range

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Virindi:

iirc intel runs hotter?

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Virindi:

not sure

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mattwj2002:

120 F

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mattwj2002:

oh that is a nice warm day at the beach haha

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mattwj2002:

:D

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mattwj2002:

49 degrees Celsius = 120.2 degrees Fahrenheit

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mattwj2002:

well a rather hot day I guess :P

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Virindi:

I had a clogged heatsink and the c2d started thermal shutdown above 70c

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mattwj2002:

I can never make sense of celsius

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mattwj2002:

:(

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Virindi:

you're at 49% of boiling?

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Virindi:

heh

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mattwj2002:

lol

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

actually that isn't true either

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Virindi:

I know

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Virindi:

perhaps if you did it in kelvin...

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Virindi:

thank god at least I can use the package system to get the build deps for myth, digging through and finding all the build reqs is the most annoying part anyhow

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dherde_:

HI .. once I have ripped a dvd, how do I play it?

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dherde_:

the so is stored under the videos directory, but it doesn't show up in myth

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dherde_:

(iso)

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dherde_:

Hello... I am uncertain whether or not my chat is showing up in the forum. Can someone respond to this so I know it is working? Thanks..

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Virindi:

pong

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Virindi:

:)

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justinh:

here's a hint: if you can see what you typed when you hit return, it's working ;-)

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wagnerrp:

what forum?

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justinh:

and just because nobody's answering, doesn't mean to say that nobody is ignoring you

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wagnerrp:

dherde_: did you ever tell mythvideo to scan for content?

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Azelphur:

don't suppose there is some kind of subtitle grabber like the metadata grabber?

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Azelphur:

I've got a lodger coming in a few weeks who is deaf, so it'd be nice to have everything subbed up :)

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gbee:

you stripped the subtitles from your recordings?

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Azelphur:

I'm talking media library here

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gbee:

or dvds

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Azelphur:

well yea, most of the dvd ripping tools don't grab subs

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gbee:

yeah, but where else did your videos come from?

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wagnerrp:

if youve still got the DVDs, just pop them in and pull the subtitle track from the ifo file

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wagnerrp:

mux it straight into your rips

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Azelphur:

yea there's a minor issue with that

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wagnerrp:

if theyre recordings, youre out of luck

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Azelphur:

tv@tv:/var/lib/mythtv/videos$ ls -R | wc -l

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Azelphur:

1940

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Azelphur:

see you next year? lol

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Azelphur:

so yea, something automated would be nice

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wagnerrp:

the subtitle tracks are all copyrighted, and cannot be distributed

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Azelphur:

ah :(

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android60:

does the 950q make a good qam tuner? or would i be better off with something else?

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wagnerrp:

if you must use USB

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android60:

well ive been considering hdhomerun but this is a lot cheaper

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android60:

and i have limited space inside my machine

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Azelphur:

Found a tool in the Ubuntu repository called subdownloader, it's doing the job :)

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wagnerrp:

s/cheaper/more expensive/

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gbee:

yay for 'buntu

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Azelphur:

indeed :D

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wagnerrp:

Azelphur: as mentioned, you are very likely illegally downloading copyrighted material. please do not discuss in here

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Azelphur:

never said I was downloading anything copyrighted :)

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Azelphur:

and also surely if I own the DVD's I'm not actually pirating anyway, since it's copyrighted material that I own anyway

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wagnerrp:

doesnt work that way

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Azelphur:

heh

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Azelphur:

gotta love the way they try and force you to use 30 year old chunks of plastic :)

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wagnerrp:

you own the content on your disk, not the (identical) content on someone elses disk

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Azelphur:

\o/

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wagnerrp:

anyway, android60, the HVR-950q is more expensive than the HDHR

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skd5aner:

actually – you don't own any content... you own a plastic disc, and a license to play back the content

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wagnerrp:

ugh... im going to have to rework a bunch of my sql queries for oursql

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gbee:

wagnerrp: really? A quick google suggests otherwise

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wagnerrp:

the 'execute()' syntax is slightly different

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wagnerrp:

the mysql syntax itself is exactly the same

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gbee:

sorry, I was refering to the statement about the HVR-950q

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wagnerrp:

oh

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gbee:

newegg shows it for $80 vs $159 for the HDHR

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wagnerrp:

yeah, when i searched, the cheapest 950q was $74, the cheapest HDHR was $140

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wagnerrp:

$8 cheaper for the HDHR

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wagnerrp:

(per tuner)

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gbee:

ah, yeah I'd overlooked the price per tuner

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bjd:

hey all – could i get some thoughts on http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3281#ov

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bjd:

just after something for a combo backend/front

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gbee:

garish

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bjd:

:p

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bjd:

maybe i should look at getting spdif working via a 9500 card again

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justinh:

save time later, just edited the ads out of Chuck :)

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justinh:

just had to tweak lircrc to get keys to repeat faster. heh

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grumpydevil:

hi

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grumpydevil:

does somebody here know whether it is possible to compile without openGL?

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wagnerrp:

i dont believe so, no

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awoodland:

I thought it was a configure option

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awoodland:

which would have implied yes?

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wagnerrp:

you can disable the opengl video renderer

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wagnerrp:

but i dont believe you can disable the opengl painter

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iamlindoro:

correct

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grumpydevil:

Sigh.. That means i can stop using that system

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wagnerrp:

why is opengl a problem?

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awoodland:

nvidia without SSE2?

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grumpydevil:

old video card

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grumpydevil:

nvidia

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justinh:

oh man. irrecord on my frontend isn't working

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grumpydevil:

supports opengl up to 1.3

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awoodland:

what card?

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wagnerrp:

MESA?

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grumpydevil:

myth now requires 1.4

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grumpydevil:

VANTA

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wagnerrp:

wow, yeah... thats an old card

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wagnerrp:

PCI?

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grumpydevil:

yep, no AGP in the system

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wagnerrp:

yes, you should upgrade

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grumpydevil:

no certainly no PCIe

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wagnerrp:

(the whole thing)

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grumpydevil:

was using it for SD only frontend

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grumpydevil:

which it was doing quit well

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awoodland:

where do you live? I have a pci 6200 I have no use for any more

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grumpydevil:

nl

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awoodland:

club3d are based in nl and do pci cards

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wagnerrp:

you can pick up an 8400 PCI, do away with the SD requirement

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justinh:

ruh. wth is up with this namespace checking in irrecord? :-(

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grumpydevil:

now that would be interesting...

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grumpydevil:

much cheaper then upgrading full system

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wagnerrp:

i bought one for ~$40 about a year and a half ago

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awoodland:

they even do an 8400

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awoodland:

http://www.club3d.nl/products/products_ending . . . oduct_id=223

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awoodland:

which can do vdpau

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wagnerrp:

of course i ended up upgrading the whole system anyway, for ~$160

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grumpydevil:

why that?

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awoodland:

I got one of those recently for hdcp and hdmi

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awoodland:

on an old box

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awoodland:

club3d are great for obscure cards

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wagnerrp:

for HDCP?

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awoodland:

wanted to do blu-ray playback on an old-ish motherboard

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awoodland:

(i.e. pre pci-e

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awoodland:

)

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wagnerrp:

oh, so this was for windows

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awoodland:

that was, but it'd work here too

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gbee:

well no hdcp on linux

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wagnerrp:

or ICT compliant bluray playback, for that matter

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awoodland:

but there is vdpau support still which would be useful with mythtv

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justinh:

ah. irrecord was failing on the function keys under the flap cos I stupidly ended up making them RC6 not RC5. I'm gonna need a USB JP1 cable

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grumpydevil:

interesting.. such a card shows up as a PCI to PCIe bridge in lspci

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grumpydevil:

it turns out i have 1 of them in an attempt to get a second head on an old server

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wagnerrp:

yes, nvidia only made PCIe cards from the 7-series onward

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grumpydevil:

did not realise they supported VDPAU...

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wagnerrp:

any AGP/PCI variants were the same PCIe card with a bridge chip

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wagnerrp:

similarly, nvidia only made AGP cards for the 6-series and previous

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wagnerrp:

the PCIe variants of the 6-series used bridge chips

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wagnerrp:

aww crap

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wagnerrp:

oursql cursors do not return anything

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wagnerrp:

thats going to break a whole ton of stuff

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wagnerrp:

and the rowcount and lastrowid fields are unpopulated

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grumpydevil:

crap, the BIOS does not recognise it as a VGA card :(

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grumpydevil:

will need som experimentation

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bjd:

So, trying to use the SPDIF headers on my board and I've put in an nvidia card which has HDMI output – connected the board headers to the card and configured myth to use ALSA:iec958 as the output device

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bjd:

that should pretty much be it right?

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kormoc:

you forgot the sacrificial goat

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bjd:

:(

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: theyve improved it? it no longer takes a first born?

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kormoc:

Indeed!

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gbee:

I prefer the cards with onboard sound, no messing with cables

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bjd:

well, yeah – might be easier :)

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bjd:

what card do you use then gbee ?

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gbee:

bjd: mine are all integrated, onboard graphics

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gbee:

Geforce 8200s

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bjd:

ah

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olx69:

hi, I perform in mythtv an channel scan on cable tv (west europe), but it doesn't find any channels,any hints?

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olx69:

I do have Hauppauge PVR 250

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olx69:

scantv shows channels!

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wagnerrp:

what version of mythtv?

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olx69:

0.23.0+fixes25423–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu2

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reuben:

hello, is there a way to configure mythtv-backend over an ssh connection, i.e. on the command line?

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wagnerrp:

reuben: why would you want to?

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reuben:

wagnerrp – i don't have access to the box (at the moment). it's a remote setup

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justinh:

freenx, vnc ...

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wagnerrp:

oh, you mean run mythtv-setup remotely

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grumpydevil:

olx69 it is well possible that the frequencies in use by your operator do not adhere to the west-europe frequencies

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olx69:

reuben: ssh -X won't work

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wagnerrp:

i thought you wanted to connect to a remote backend

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grumpydevil:

that is rather normal...

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justinh:

you do the 1st over ssh anyway, and you can quite easily forward vnc over ssh too

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wagnerrp:

ssh -X will work for mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

but over anything but ethernet, it will be quite slow

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justinh:

freenx, or vnc :-)

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reuben:

ok, will try those

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olx69:

wagnerrp: scantv -a -f europe-west -n PAL-BG -c /dev/video0 -C /dev/vbi0 -o scantv_channels.txt gives the channel list!

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pheld:

Server sent unexpected return value (403 Forbidden) in response to OPTIONS request for 'http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk' ???

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olx69:

how can I reuse the output?

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grumpydevil:

you can import the channel list

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grumpydevil:

one of the options in channel scanner

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wagnerrp:

you can import a digital channel list, but you shouldnt

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wagnerrp:

you cannot import analog channels

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grumpydevil:

sigh.. getting too used to digital...

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olx69:

I'm using DVB-T but all private stations are on analog cable tv

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olx69:

even channel scan on try-.all doesn't brings up the channels

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gbee:

might be worth checking whether we have the freq tables for cable in your region, if not that would be a good one-line patch

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olx69:

I can give you the output of scantv

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olx69:

http://codepad.org/VPZY6Pb3

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olx69:

probably inject per xmltv/mythfilldatabase (like http://mythwiki.de/index.php?title=Zalman_HD1 . . . er_NextView) ?

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reuben:

on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire, what does the "n_p2p_connections" setting refer to? is that a plugctl setting or something in the mythtv ui?

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reuben:

oh nvm, next line :P

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gbee:

olx69: those are standard UHF frequencies and included in the europe-west group, so it looks like a bug

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olx69:

:(

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messerting:

So, is see 0.23 is out – congrats!

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messerting:

I'm currently running 0.22-fixes from svn, at r23604

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messerting:

Would it be safe to do a "svn up" and go from there?

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gbee:

0.23 has been out for ~6 months

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iamlindoro:

(or four)

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messerting:

er.. ok!

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messerting:

my box has been untouch for a while :)

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gbee:

iamlindoro: heh, right, just feels like 6 months :)

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iamlindoro:

Six of one, 2/3rds of half dozen of the other

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messerting:

okay, I'll make a backup and just try

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olx69:

Can I simple change the channum in mythweb to reorder the channels?

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grumpydevil:

yes

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messerting:

olx69: I've successfully done that – make sure you use unique channums

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olx69:

of course; thanks!

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olx69:

gn8

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bjd:

gbee: would you mind a quick query?

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gbee:

best to ask, then I'll tell you if I mind or not ;)

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cipher42:

anyone know what the new method of linux startup that fedora and ubuntu uses is called?

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iamlindoro:

upstart

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cipher42:

i'm guessing old startups scripts no longer work?

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iamlindoro:

init scripts still work as far as I am aware

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AndyCap:

yeah, they support that

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AndyCap:

fedora will be moving to another one in the next release though.

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cipher42:

why?

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cipher42:

better?

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AndyCap:

cipher42: they think so. http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html otherwise they wouldn't be moving. :P http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/systemd

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__benny__:

Hello! trying to check out trunk (http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk) got '403 Forbidden', well anyone knows what happen ?

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AndyCap:

cipher42: and it seems to support running processes as different users as opposed to upstart.

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cipher42:

yea that's my problem i think

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cipher42:

my oracle stopped starting up

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cipher42:

on boot, it needs to be started as the oracle user

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iamlindoro:

Erm, upstart supports different users TTBOMK

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AndyCap:

cipher42: I'm sure there's a more appropriate channel. :P and a shell script should be able to fix that

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iamlindoro:

My upstart script for mythbackend includes the line USER=mythtv and it spawns as mythtv

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cipher42:

weird that it just stopped working with the last ubuntu update...

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cipher42:

had a new kernel in the update

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gbee:

__benny__: try now

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gbee:

I screwed up an ip ban

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AndyCap:

iamlindoro: nah. http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23521

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iamlindoro:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

seems like a silly design oversight

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__benny__:

gbee: thanks, it works now

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sphery:

You just can't please /anyone/... For years, users complain about having "2 menu buttons--MENU and INFO--in Watch Recordings". Now we get complaints that something changed... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/446056#446056

[20:33:54]

kormoc:

Indeed

[20:34:12]

AndyCap:

sphery: what did you expect, the people not complaining were used to old behaviour.

[20:34:23]

iamlindoro:

The fact that it only behaves in one screen that way is a major issue, though

[20:34:49]

iamlindoro:

We should have a base popupmenu that always, always behaves the same, not per-screen implementations

[20:35:12]

** sphery goes to look up a ton of threads where people bit**ed about the INFO thing **

[20:35:19]

iamlindoro:

ie, toggling between menus with M is fine... so long as EVERY screen does it

[20:35:27]

sphery:

If I'm going to respond, I'll do it right :)

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iamlindoro:

but having implemented it in one screen and then having left the rest of the UI out to dry was a mistake

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kormoc:

sphery, oh noes!

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kormoc:

sphery, that'll just mean people will complain until they get enough threads that we'll have to change it!

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sphery:

kormoc: at least this time, it will just be a series of reverts + merges (rather than recoding it) each time we switch

[20:39:38]

sphery:

iamlindoro: you /do/ realize, though, that having 2 different menu-type keys (a menu key and a "right-click"/context menu key) is a bad-UI-design choice made by MythTV: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/415512#415512

[20:40:15]

sphery:

see, also all the follow-up where he got mad at me for explaining there was a design reason for it and that he just failed to see that reason

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kormoc:

I like how he said the code will be updated

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plotino:

hio

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sphery:

which code will be updated?

[20:43:00]

sphery:

the UI design mistake?

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sphery:

longstanding, even

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you mean the one where we chose not to use flash?

[20:46:46]

sphery:

heh, no, that's a separate one, but still a mistake :)

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sphery:

OK, I've reconsidered. I'm not going to look up the threads.

[20:48:57]

sphery:

I'm going to instead do something productive (like working on patches for MythTV)

[20:49:24]

sphery:

better for my blood pressure, anyway

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plotino:

hi

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plotino:

i cant get audio but also with vlc

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plotino:

watching analogue TV

[20:56:34]

plotino:

my card was recognized as

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plotino:

Philips Semiconductors SAA7131/SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder

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plotino:

i would like to know

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plotino:

as acquisition card i set /dev/video0 as video pheriperal

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plotino:

but what i have to set as audio pheriperal???

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wagnerrp:

plotino: what model is your tuner card?

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bjd:

hmmm

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bjd:

i can't seem to find the "passthough output device", has it been moved?

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plotino:

wagnerrp, Philips Semiconductors SAA7131/SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder

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plotino:

it's a capture card based on SAA7134

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wagnerrp:

tuner card, not chipset

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plotino:

m

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plotino:

what you mean=

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plotino:

you mean model and brand?

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wagnerrp:

i mean manufacturer and model number

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iamlindoro:

manufacturer and product name of your tuner card

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wagnerrp:

there are a whole slew of cards built under that chipset

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wagnerrp:

some supported, some not

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plotino:

it's very unpopular i think

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plotino:

anyway

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plotino:

i-Tek Hybrid

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plotino:

Dexatek technology

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sphery:

bjd: pretty sure it's in advanced audio settings

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sphery:

bjd: in theory, you'll never need to change it off your "normal" audio output device, anymore

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plotino:

model i-Tek Hybrid PCI

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plotino:

normal??

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keith4:

using cable box via firewire, with firewire_primer and such (very successfully!)... sometimes the box becomes unresponsive via firewire, and i have to reboot it. the only way i find this out is when a few shows have failed to record. can anyone suggest a better way of detecting this?

[21:19:57]

wagnerrp:

see no mention of such card

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plotino:

i dont understand

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plotino:

vlc asks for video device and audio device

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plotino:

audio is /dev/video0

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plotino:

sorry

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plotino:

video is /dev/video0

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plotino:

but what about the audio?

[21:21:43]

plotino:

in windows the card works pretty good

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wagnerrp:

i see no mention of that card or manufacturer... http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/List_of_Device_Vendors

[21:22:45]

plotino:

it's made in germany

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plotino:

i dont know

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plotino:

but how to know which audio device/node is associated witha card?

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ThisOtherGuy:

hi all does anyone know if MythMusic shares from the backend the way MythVideo does or if I need the same dir structure on all frontends?

[21:23:43]

ThisOtherGuy:

in Trunk

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wagnerrp:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Saa7134-alsa

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wagnerrp:

ThisOtherGuy: no, mythmusic still requires direct access to content

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kormoc:

ThisOtherGuy, it does not use storage groups/streaming in trunk currently

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ThisOtherGuy:

thanks!

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wagnerrp:

mythweb/music however can stream from the backend if it cannot find the files locally

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ThisOtherGuy:

wagnerrp: I get "unknown module specified" if I try mythweb/music

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sphery:

I think that was an "in the area of" slash

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sphery:

not a URI slash

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ThisOtherGuy:

sphery: do you know how to reach that area?

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ThisOtherGuy:

ah – I think the problem is I don't have any music yet

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sphery:

ThisOtherGuy: yeah, you'll need to have mythmusic plugin for mythfrontend configured on the host that's running mythweb, IIRC

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plotino:

news

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plotino:

audio error in mythtv

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plotino:

NVP(0): Disabling Audio, reason is: snd_pcm_open(analog)

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plotino:

no file or directory

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awoodland:

is there a known problem with generating preview images in -trunk at the moment? I get http://mythtv.pastebin.com/5K5xzSUa in logs and black images

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awoodland:

(-trunk as of last night sometime)

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Armar:

should I buy this? http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/Medion-Creatix-CTX917 . . . em1c14a3ee03

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Wicked:

hmm can you compile and install only the frontend?

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Wicked:

or do you need to compile and install both?

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Armar:

here are the specs for the unbranded version (has more ports) http://www.creatix.de/support/download/gruppe14/CTX917_spec.pdf

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Wicked:

i dont see any kinda --disable-backend or similar switch

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Armar:

I have mythtv installed on this ubuntu pc, is that good enough?

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Armar:

oh srry am I jumping in your conversation

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justinh:

Wicked: it's not like the backend binaries etc take up much room

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justinh:

certainly not when you compare the size to say half an hour of even SDTV

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justinh:

ha! I wondered how long it'd be before somebody whined about the INFO key change in the PBB

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justinh:

well listen up guy, this man has plans to commit further such deeds :)

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Wicked:

i know. but i try to keep things to the bare minimum....and would prefer to not install something that i will never use on a frontend.

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bjd:

"basically if you have a nvidea 8600–9600 etc graphics card and have a samsung lcd tv(or any tv that does not allow audio adjustment on the hdmi connection) you are stuffed"

[22:51:20]

bjd:

interesting

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Wicked:

hmm. so id like to record a show on national geographic called "inside"...but the problem is that each show is called something else....for instance there is one coming up on detroit gang squad...its part of the inside series....but mythtv sees it as "detroit gang squad"...with no mentions of it being part of the inside series.

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Wicked:

am i basicly out of luck?

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beata-:

always on same time slot?

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wagnerrp:

bjd: who said that?

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iamlindoro:

Wicked, that's what power rules are for

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Wicked:

iamlindoro, yea...but i dont see any kinda consistent to make it search for

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iamlindoro:

Title like "Inside%" and chanid=whatever

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iamlindoro:

unless you mean the title itself doesn't even have "inside" in it

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iamlindoro:

in which case yes, you are limited by the quality of your guide data

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kormoc:

Wicked, is the seriesid in the database the same?

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Wicked:

ya. i think im boned....it does not mention "inside"

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Wicked:

kormoc, hmm

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** kormoc thinks he recalls that Wicked is a SD subscriber? **

[23:12:48]

Wicked:

yea

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Wicked:

kormoc, hmm how could i check?

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kormoc:

SELECT DISTINCT seriesid FROM program WHERE title='a' OR title='b' OR title='c'; or similar

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Wicked:

ok. ill have to check that out

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Wicked:

ok i got the seriesid...now i assume id need to find another show that is part of the inside series and do the same thing then compare the seriesid

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kormoc:

Yup

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kormoc:

if they match, you can use that to record them

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kormoc:

what's the series id?

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Wicked:

EP01243169

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Wicked:

nope they appear to have different seriesids :|

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kormoc:

Sorry, I ment programid not seriesid

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Wicked:

ah

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Wicked:

ok

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Wicked:

sec

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kormoc:

SH012431690000 is what I have and looks like it's different for them all as well

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Wicked:

yea

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Wicked:

same here

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kormoc:

it's because they claim it's a special and not a actual series, not a lot you can do about that :(

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nightwalk:

Has anyone found any smallish systems that work nicely as a set top boxes for < $150?

[23:21:57]

Wicked:

well thanks for helping guys :) not much any of us can do

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nightwalk:

Cheapest thing I've found so far is this: http://www.mini-box.com/Mini-Box-M350-Barebon . . . !-2130432829

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kormoc:

nightwalk, that won't do HD

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wagnerrp:

barebones means theres a board in it

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wagnerrp:

but it doesnt say what board

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nightwalk:

Actually, it does

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wagnerrp:

oh... needed javascript

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nightwalk:

The link is kind of obscured, but it includes this board: http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-D945GSEJT-Mini- . . . !-2130432829

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nightwalk:

On a side note, it kind of sucks that myth tv can't transcode like tversity does. I'd have my choice of media players if that were the case :/

[23:25:57]

wagnerrp:

no, you dont want to bother with anything like that

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iamlindoro:

As kormoc said, hopefully you are not intending to play HD content with it

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iamlindoro:

Or even any moderate bitrate SD, for that matter

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wagnerrp:

only option for HD would be one of the crystal hd cards when support for that gets added

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nightwalk:

Well, the over-the-air stuff is normal res, so that's not a problem. Some of the stuff off the internet *might* be though. Just figured I could throw a $50 low profile nvidia card in and be done with it

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wagnerrp:

the OTA stuff is whatever resolution and bitrate they give you

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wagnerrp:

which is typically going to be 14+ mbps

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wagnerrp:

outside the range of an Atom

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wagnerrp:

and youre not going to fit a low profile card in that case

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kormoc:

1x PCIe mini-card connector for wireless adapter

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kormoc:

that won't do a video card

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nightwalk:

I saw it had a pci slot. Hadn't actually modelled the dimensions though, so it was just a guestimate

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: not enough power?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, aye

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nightwalk:

Don't see why I'd have problem with stuff over the air. That's the one thing myth transcodes, is it not?

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wagnerrp:

should do one of those crystal hd things, shouldnt it?

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kormoc:

and it's a tinier slot

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wagnerrp:

nightwalk: mythtv will transcode anything you want

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kormoc:

yeah, they're pci-e mini

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wagnerrp:

mythtv only compresses content captured off framegrabbers

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nightwalk:

wagnerrp: On demand? Like tversity does?

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wagnerrp:

no, in the jobqueue

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wagnerrp:

you do realize that recompressing HD content on demand is extremely intensive, right?

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wagnerrp:

meaning youre going to have to have some backend powerhouse sitting somewhere just so you can run a 15W POS instead of a 25W desktop system

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nightwalk:

Have a quad core in operation for just that purpose, so yeah, I do ;)

[23:31:33]

nightwalk:

Requirements aren't really about power in this situation. It's about form factor and price

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wagnerrp:

form factor we can do, price... $250?

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kormoc:

Get a 2009 mac mini with a nvidia card and call it good

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nightwalk:

Well, I was hoping for ~$150 for the mb+cpu+case. Probably $250 or so for everything. Have some spare DDR, DDR2, and laptop HDs laying around I thought I might be able to use.

[23:33:56]

wagnerrp:

$270 gets you an M350 case, power supply, AM3 Mini-ITX board, 2GB of memory, a nice AMD processor

[23:33:57]

nightwalk:

Think that system from the link I just sent would be ~$210 for the mb, cpu, case, and psu

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wagnerrp:

you can network boot

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wagnerrp:

you can decode any mpeg2 content, and most h264 content in software

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wagnerrp:

bluray, youve got VDPAU to handle that

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nightwalk:

Hmm...wasn't aware AM3 mini-itx boards had gotten that cheap

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wagnerrp:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500021

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high-rez:

I have a similar setup. I have that M350 case, but with a zotac ionitx. I'm using the ionitx with the powerbrick. I moved the power plug off of the L bracket on the mobo and into the case itself (where its a lot less flimsy).

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nightwalk:

That might be nice, actually. I could probably then decommission the existing headless quad core system and reallocate it to something else.

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high-rez:

Myth is great on the ION – and I have no moving parts which means its totally silent...

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wagnerrp:

yes, if you /must/ get an atom, get an ION

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nightwalk:

Ok...so why does that board have such bad ratings? Unreasonable expectations?

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high-rez:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 27-_-Product

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high-rez:

That's the board I'm using in the M350 case. Noe that the power supply and Wifi are on an L bracket on the mobo – they can both be moved right onto the M350 case itself, which has pre-drilled holes that fit perfect.

[23:41:21]

nightwalk:

So, that thing has onboard wifi *and* an extra mini-pci slot?

[23:41:32]

nightwalk:

Looks like it has everything but the kitchen sink O_O

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high-rez:

No the mini-pci slot is used by the wifi

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high-rez:

mini-pcie i think

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nightwalk:

Even has a 9000 series NV GPU

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high-rez:

The wifi is useless though if you plan to use it with a dedicated backend (you really want that wired anyways)

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nightwalk:

onboard/shm GPUs take a major hit though. Does it choke on 1080p?

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high-rez:

1080p, i think, is actually easier for it to do than 1080i

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high-rez:

It does bluray just fine.

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high-rez:

Interlaced content has to use temporal 1x (no advanced 2x performance out of this thing)

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nightwalk:

Not really concerned with bluray, personally. bluray devices are still over-priced, and I don't like supporting the mafiAA anyway

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high-rez:

I think bluray is the only real source for 1080p at this point....

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nightwalk:

Probably. I'm just in the habit of using 1080p as a benchmark for the video chip.

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mechcozmo:

hello, I am getting the error: "mythtv is using all inputs but there are no active recordings" but my database IP is set properly. even stranger, if I restart mythbackend, it all works

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nightwalk:

After all, if it can do 1080p, it also stands a good chance of keeping up with a moderately graphics-intensive game as well ;)

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high-rez:

I think that's a really bad assumption.

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rues:

Hello, if my satellite tv receiver has two "rg6-out connector" can I connect it to my SkyStar2 and record stuff?

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high-rez:

This thing isn't going to play moderately graphics intensive games well – but it'll do 1080p h264 all day long.

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nightwalk:

How well it'll play games is largely determined by the GPU. I've had several older A64's & regular Athlons here that play most of the same games todays' hardware does after having a decent video card installed in them.

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nightwalk:

Unfortunately, GPUs without dedicated memory don't really work so well for much, since they have to wait in line for memory access like every other part of the system. That's why I was skeptical that these boards could do HD.

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nightwalk:

mechcozmo: I don't really know much of anything about myth specifically, but maybe the connection limit on your db server is too low, and connections are blocking?

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mechcozmo:

it's an all-in-one backend/frontend

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mechcozmo:

total of 2 connectinos

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nightwalk:

Ok. So when do you get the error? During system startup?

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mechcozmo:

nope, everything works fine until I go to watch LiveTV

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mechcozmo:

pops up the error

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mechcozmo:

nightwalk: I'm not even really sure what log files to be looking into... mythfrontend seems to work fine on startup

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nightwalk:

Only other non-myth-specific thing I can think to tell you to check is the system load.

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nightwalk:

Might be overwhelming the hardware.

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