Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, August 3rd, 2010, 00:05 UTC

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Beirdo:

home time

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v wagnerrp

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mzb:

clever: fwiw, I ended up running sshd in the chroot (on a different port)

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wagnerrp:

funky... my desktop will no longer accept mouse clicks

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Beirdo:

nice

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you can get that with broken focus

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sphery:

try refocising

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sphery:

refocusing

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sphery:

I've had it when an evil app (firefox) steals focus even though it shouldn't have it

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wagnerrp:

sphery: nah, windows

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wagnerrp:

but im assuming it was a similar problem

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wagnerrp:

a logoff/on fixed it

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sphery:

ah... don't know windows

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sphery:

glad it's working now, though

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[R]:

is trunk in semi working order?

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wagnerrp:

its been semi-working the since the 0.22 release

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wagnerrp:

no big 'break everything' changes since the qt4 port and UI rewrite prior to 0.22

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[R]:

i thought i recently saw stuff that was committed that said it was half working

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wagnerrp:

mythmusic stuff

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[R]:

hrm

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** [R] ponders switching **

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** Beirdo breaks trunk just for fun **

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Beirdo:

OK gonna try to see if that machine works :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

OK... need to purchase RAM

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Beirdo:

and a monitor

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Perdignus:

Hello – I'm unable to view my recorded programs in mythweb. I bumped the max memory setting to 128M in /etc/apache2/conf.d/mythweb.conf but still get this error in apache -> http://pastebin.com/DehT6jns

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wagnerrp:

so... it says youve exhausted all allocated 128MB

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Beirdo:

obviously, you need to bump it further, I'd say

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Perdignus:

uh, err, well

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Perdignus:

sorry, I thought 128M was a reasonable number, just tried 256M and well, err, uh, it is working now, sorry

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

but you were on the right path

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Perdignus:

thanks for the kick in the ass

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** Beirdo swings the foot **

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Beirdo:

so... 512MB not sufficient

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Beirdo:

:) must buy DDR400

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wagnerrp:

128M seems like an awful.. lot...

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wagnerrp:

how many recordings do you have?

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[R]:

THAT'S what she siad

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Perdignus:

does the "XXXXX programs, using 127GB" an accurant number of recordings? Or is that programs in the listings data?

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sphery:

or maybe that's because of tons of channels for listings?

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sphery:

and, yeah, that number is number of recordings

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wagnerrp:

youre right, he was in /mythweb/tv/list, which is the listings data

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Perdignus:

it's at the bottome of the recordings page on MythWeb. I have "8955 programs, using 157 GB (7 days 8 hrs 21 mins) out of 587 GB (103 GB free).

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sphery:

in 127GB, I doubt it's much

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wagnerrp:

so that would be just a bunch of channels

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sphery:

I stand corrected...

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sphery:

how?

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sphery:

I have 1360-some recordings using 9.4TB

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[R]:

323 programs, using 1024 GB (7 days 22 hrs 20 mins) out of 2.4 TB (857 GB free).

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wagnerrp:

says hes pulling pages /tv/upcoming and /tv/list

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** [R] hugs HD **

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wagnerrp:

but its also failing after only 32MB on both those pages

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sphery:

that's an average of 18MiB/recording

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sphery:

that's like 18min of MP3 or 68sec of bad-quality (2200Mbps) video

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sphery:

(the 157GiB for 8955 programs is)

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wagnerrp:

holy crap

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[R]:

i thought he had entirely way too many programs

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[R]:

it seemed weird

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wagnerrp:

bunch of failed 0B recordings?

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sphery:

could be.

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[R]:

0b recordings would take up... 0 bytes...

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[R]:

woudln't it?

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[R]:

oh wait

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sphery:

that would definitely mess things up

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

forget i said that

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** Beirdo flings something at the box **

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Beirdo:

wonder why it dropped ssh

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** wagnerrp wonders what happened to his hat **

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Beirdo:

I flung it

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hopper75:

I'm getting errors when running mythfilldatabase against schedulesdirect. http://pastebin.com/GvYa25Di I have a valid schedules direct account. Any advice on how to debug & solve is appreciated. Thanks.

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hopper75:

I'm running MythTV 0.23 on Fedora 13.

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wagnerrp:

sounds like the TMS servers are down for service

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[R]:

working for me

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hopper75:

I've been getting the error all day, so starting to suspect something on my end.

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[R]:

you could try running wireshark or tcpdump and see what is going on

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hopper75:

[R]: Thanks. I'll give that a go. Off hand, anyone know if there is a way I can confirm I'm hitting the right URL? For instance is my url the same as yours?

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[R]:

its correct

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[R]:

its hardcoded into mtyh

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hopper75:

Thanks. Yeah, I suspected as much. Couldn't find config anywhere.

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Beirdo:

OK, shut off the to-be little dev box

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Beirdo:

if you can consider 2.8GHz P4 little

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Beirdo:

heh

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hopper75:

The "No channels are configured to use grabber." bit seems ominous to me. How do I fix it? from: http://pastebin.com/GvYa25Di at the top.

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[R]:

you dindt do "get channels from source"

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** [R] suggest hopper75 reads the instructions **

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hopper75:

[R]: I must have missed that specifically. There seems to be 3 references on google of dubious help. May I trouble you to point me to where that's written. Sorry for the trouble.

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[R]:

the wiki...

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[R]:

where it tells you exactly how to set up and use myth

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[R]:

and the documentation

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[R]:

linked straight from the main site...

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hopper75:

[R]: Thanks anyway. I'll find it on my own.

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[R]:

lol

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hopper75:

indeed, LOL.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: good chance my windows issue was caused by firefox/flash as well

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I'm in an anti-Microsoft mood right now.

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sphery:

I just got RRoD #3--this time after the 3yr-extended RRoD warranty expires.

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sphery:

so I now have a bunch of games I never got very far on and no way to play them.

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wagnerrp:

#3 eh? that puts you up in the 80% percentile of xbox users doesnt it?

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sphery:

don't know

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wagnerrp:

most people dont get past their second

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sphery:

the fact that they send back a similarly-flawed system is just a bit annoying

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wagnerrp:

i dont know whether to consider that bad luck or dedication

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sphery:

I mean it's like they're saying, "Well, why should we replace it with a newer/better/working design--you bought the broken one."

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** wagnerrp is still on his first playstation 3 **

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sphery:

It's not dedication--I feel like I don't get nearly my money's worth out of XBox Live and I get the 12 or 13month ones for $30-$35

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sphery:

I barely play the thing

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Twiggy2cents:

#social?

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Twiggy2cents:

I kid I kid

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

isnt there some sort of conflict of interest, Arnie starring in movies while in office?

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[R]:

how do you figure?

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wagnerrp:

i figured government officials were not supposed to have outside jobs while in office

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[R]:

mmm

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[R]:

why

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wagnerrp:

seems bad for legislators to be paid by someone other than the government

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

maybe hes not being paid

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tgm4883:

[R], the thought would be that A) they don't have time to do both, and B) if the governor works for big tobacco, that might sway his vote

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tgm4883:

although talking about Arnie, I believe cameo's are OK

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[R]:

how hard is it to say a few lines infront of a camera?

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wagnerrp:

depends on if hes supposed to be muscular mercenary arnie, or saggy old man arnie

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[R]:

i bet if gary coleman had won the election he might still be alive today

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[R]:

:(

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wagnerrp:

nah, he would never have reached the mic to give his acceptance speech

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[R]:

ROFL

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[R]:

if i had twitter... i would post stupid things liei kthat... is that the point of twitter?

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[R]:

i don't "get" it

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wagnerrp:

thats the point of bash.org

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[R]:

"today i had a ham sandwich"... is that the point of twitter?

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wagnerrp:

still no

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wagnerrp:

"i just dropped a foot long deuce"... thats the point of twitter

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[R]:

HAHA

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[R]:

interesting

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[R]:

emma stone is from snottsdale

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wagnerrp:

http://gizmodo.com/5535769

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wagnerrp:

i know someone who lives there

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[R]:

i'd have nothing interesting to say

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[R]:

and no one would care

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wagnerrp:

specifically, i think hes in chandler

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[R]:

chandler != scottsdale

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sphery:

I wish I could figure out how to get my Fallout 3 disc out of my dead XBox 360

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Beirdo:

sphery: paperclip?

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wagnerrp:

oof....

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sphery:

can't find a hole for it

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wagnerrp:

what? nothing? that would have been the perfect time for it....

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wagnerrp:

!trout [R]

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** MythLogBot slaps [R] with a trout on behalf of wagnerrp... **

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[R]:

i don't like fish...

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wagnerrp:

...

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

!salmon [R]

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** MythLogBot plants a salmon upside the head of [R] on behalf of Beirdo... **

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[R]:

i hate salmon the most

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[R]:

although i like smoked salmon

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[R]:

i'm just one huge contradiction

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wagnerrp:

i bet 'she' likes salmon

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Beirdo:

OK, those are fighting words

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[R]:

wagnerrp: she who

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Beirdo:

salmon is yummy

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wagnerrp:

come on... 'cant find a hole for it', 'thats what she said'

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

bah

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Beirdo:

yeah well

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wagnerrp:

you pull it out at the most nonsensical of times

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you need a beer

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[R]:

wagnerrp: and?

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[R]:

its funny

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[R]:

but she who

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wagnerrp:

the one who says these things

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

that's what she said

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Beirdo:

OMG, Top Gear is fun

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wagnerrp:

i honestly have no idea what they do for an episode

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wagnerrp:

i only ever catch their competitions on youtube

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[R]:

did either of you watch the double rainbow thing?

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Beirdo:

this one they are racing an 1949 Jag, 1949 motorbike and a steam locomotive

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[R]:

can you explain it to me?

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Beirdo:

from London to Edinburgh

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wagnerrp:

double rainbow thing?

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[R]:

on youtube

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[R]:

this guy who was like high or something taped himself watching a double rainbow

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Beirdo:

ummm, is that code?

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[R]:

no, an actual rainbow

[04:08:03]

Beirdo:

steam locomotive's going about 75mph

[04:08:13]

Beirdo:

impressive

[04:08:20]

wagnerrp:

you dont understand the double rainbow? or why people might want to watch someone watching a double rainbow?

[04:08:27]

[R]:

wagnerrp: the video itself

[04:08:32]

[R]:

everyone thinks its the coolest thing ever

[04:08:45]

Beirdo:

and the locomotive came in a very close second

[04:09:21]

wagnerrp:

looks like people are mocking him because hes so excited about it

[04:09:56]

Beirdo:

I've seen enough double rainbows that I have absolutely no desire to watch some baked dude seeing one

[04:10:37]

Beirdo:

hahahahaha

[04:11:04]

Beirdo:

where is their test track? that looked like a runway

[04:11:53]

Beirdo:

Dunsfold Aerodrome

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Beirdo:

I need to find a way to tell the h264 decoder to stop spewing into my logs

[04:16:41]

Beirdo:

s.t.f.u.

[04:17:14]

[R]:

Beirdo: comment it out

[04:17:24]

sphery:

yes, comment it out

[04:17:36]

Beirdo:

it's spewing over 50lines per second

[04:17:47]

Beirdo:

I think I'll be doing just that

[04:17:52]

sphery:

yep, but they're all things that libav* calls errors

[04:18:04]

sphery:

and the PTB say that anything that's an error belongs at important

[04:18:13]

Beirdo:

AFD Error: Unknown decoder error

[04:18:19]

Beirdo:

EAT ME

[04:18:38]

[R]:

HAHA

[04:18:43]

[R]:

wagnerrp: notice the self restraint

[04:18:54]

wagnerrp:

youre killing me

[04:18:58]

[R]:

LOL

[04:19:05]

[R]:

but i dindt say it

[04:19:13]

wagnerrp:

exactly

[04:19:28]

Beirdo:

that message will be removed from my compiles VERY shortly

[04:26:09]

Beirdo:

I'm sorry, but there's no way in crap that the stride is changing every other frame or so

[04:26:35]

Beirdo:

all I hear is Grrk grrrrk grrrk grrrk

[04:26:47]

Beirdo:

as the commflag is spewing hard into my logfile :)

[04:28:01]

Beirdo:

[trunk e597c4d] Silence the #@#$%$#ing spamming errors!

[04:28:04]

Beirdo:

muhahahha

[04:28:57]

Beirdo:

and that's the branch that I rebase everything onto :)

[04:29:57]

Beirdo:

the 4 spamming errors will be silenced :)

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Beirdo:

we should put a --silence-annoying-h264-errors inro ./configure

[04:31:10]

[R]:

lol

[04:31:39]

Beirdo:

the HDPVR is gonna give me what it's gonna give me, and it invariably plays perfectly

[04:31:53]

Beirdo:

but when commflagging, it really doesn't like me :)

[04:32:24]

Beirdo:

or --just-shut-up

[04:32:24]

[R]:

Beirdo: bypass hax0ring the library

[04:32:25]

Beirdo:

hehe

[04:32:36]

[R]:

and just work on using hardware accelerartion for commflag

[04:33:05]

Beirdo:

--i-know-you-hate-my-hdpvr-h264

[04:33:42]

Beirdo:

I'll let Captain_Murdoch do that if he wants :)

[04:34:12]

Beirdo:

I have enough pans in the fire right now

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[R]:

i need something to work on

[04:35:44]

Beirdo:

getting drunk?

[04:36:02]

[R]:

no, like for myth

[04:36:06]

Beirdo:

ohhh

[04:36:09]

Beirdo:

hehe

[04:36:14]

[R]:

although my friends are comin up for my bday this weekend

[04:36:19]

[R]:

we might go out to the drinking place

[04:36:36]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you know, the stig is really James May

[04:37:20]

Beirdo:

hehe

[04:37:25]

Beirdo:

could be

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Beirdo:

they refuse to identify him

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[R]:

oh wow... they're still doing taht stupid "Undercover Boss"

[04:45:39]

Beirdo:

of course

[04:45:46]

Beirdo:

the crappy shows never die

[04:45:56]

Beirdo:

witness Survivor

[04:46:09]

[R]:

so i started watching Modern Family

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[R]:

its hilairous

[04:47:14]

** Captain_Murdoch hasn't touched the flagger in years since it works well (and fast) enough for him. **

[04:47:17]

Big_D_271:

can anyone help with S-video on a 9500 GT?

[04:47:43]

Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: cool.. with danielk's patch, it's reasonably fast for me now too

[04:47:47]

Captain_Murdoch:

[R], ditto

[04:47:49]

sphery:

wagnerrp: Hmmm... So I think I have an XBox 360 PSU problem (which would explain why it won't eject my disc). Fortunately I know a guy whose XBox 360 RRoD'ed just out of warranty. Maybe I can buy his PSU for cheap. :)

[04:48:40]

sphery:

Gotta say that if nothing else, MS did a great job of making a system that reports errors even when it's busted. Just learned how to do the secondary error code determination.

[04:48:55]

[R]:

Captain_Murdoch: ?

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Captain_Murdoch:

Beirdo, yeah, his patch sound great.

[04:49:06]

Captain_Murdoch:

[R], modern family

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[R]:

Captain_Murdoch: ah, yeah

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wagnerrp:

sphery: the BIOS beeps dont count?

[04:49:20]

sphery:

Big_D_271: My recommendation is to replace the TV with one that doesn't need S-Video. :)

[04:49:35]

Beirdo:

it's working pretty well... and now I'm compiling with those annoying spewing errors removed

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Big_D_271:

sphery .. thanks, but not an option :(

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Big_D_271:

it works through the boot, but then fails when loading X

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Beirdo:

BTW, the logs look really cool...

[04:50:14]

wagnerrp:

or newer systems with 7-segment numeric display?

[04:50:19]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, no, you hold the sync button (used to connect controllers), then hit the eject button. It flashes 4, 1, 2, or 3 lights giving you a digit of the error code. Mine is 0001 (E01, meaning PSU problems).

[04:50:21]

Beirdo:

not in chronological order

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wagnerrp:

or those Asus boards (or abit) that used to talk to you?

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sphery:

oh, and you hit eject once for each of the digits... 4 flashing lights = 0, 1 flashing = 1, ...

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wagnerrp:

that sounds excessively complex

[04:51:40]

sphery:

well, it works... and it gave me the info I needed

[04:51:45]

sphery:

still can't rescue my disc, though

[04:52:12]

sphery:

and you can't move an XBox with a disc in it or it will scratch the disc (and I don't want to buy another copy of Fallout 3--I'd rather put that money toward Fallout New Vegas)

[04:52:29]

sphery:

so I'll be begging my friend to let me come by and steal his PSU for a bit

[04:52:50]

sphery:

Big_D_271: 9500 GT... ATI or nvidia?

[04:52:51]

wagnerrp:

dont those things have a full size drive?

[04:53:00]

Big_D_271:

sphery nvidia

[04:53:06]

sphery:

yeah, full size DVD drive

[04:53:08]

wagnerrp:

i mean its a normal PC drive with a fancy bezel in the front

[04:53:14]

sphery:

but no hole for the eject button

[04:53:34]

sphery:

they've got it encased to protect it from me

[04:53:41]

wagnerrp:

pop off the bezel, and jam a paperclip into the gears

[04:54:27]

sphery:

Big_D_271: hmmm... well, nvidia S-Video should work fine with a) nvidia proprietary drivers installed and b) (possibly may required) nvidia framebuffer/nouveau/kernel-mode setting disabled

[04:54:58]

sphery:

wagnerrp: ok... it's out of warranty anyway.... off to google for how to remove the front of a 360...

[04:55:40]

Beirdo:

chisel and a hammer

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Beirdo:

should do it

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Big_D_271:

spehery ; i have blacklisted the 'nouvea" driver. I can get the main desktop to display, but it does not seem to load with the "nvidia" driver, only in failsafe mode

[04:55:55]

Beirdo:

unless you want it back on there

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sphery:

Beirdo: heh, funny enough that looks to be about the case

[04:56:04]

Beirdo:

hehe

[04:56:12]

Beirdo:

and I was just kidding

[04:56:16]

sphery:

Big_D_271: you may need to pass the nomodeset parameter to the kernel on boot

[04:56:24]

sphery:

Beirdo: http://www.llamma.com/xbox/Repairs/removing_t . . . nt_panel.htm

[04:57:33]

Big_D_271:

sphery: what would the recommended method of doing that be?

[04:57:52]

sphery:

Big_D_271: don't know how your distro does it

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Beirdo:

hahah

[04:58:01]

sphery:

just need to specify it in your grub or lilo or ... command line

[04:58:13]

** Beirdo hands sphery a 2" chisel and a claw hammer **

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sphery:

Beirdo: this guy does it one-handed without tools... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAwwlJYw8ws

[04:58:15]

Beirdo:

have fun

[04:58:21]

sphery:

I'll try it his way.

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Big_D_271:

sphery: just add to the end of the line? (Mythbuntu 10.04.1)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: oh, and I see the DVD drive eject hole once he pops it off

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j-rod:

darn, no mario

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sphery:

Big_D_271: yep

[04:59:12]

Big_D_271:

thx. i will try that now

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j-rod:

anyone know what the debian/ubuntu lirc initscript does if its hard-coded list of modules result in a failed modprobe?

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Beirdo:

sphery: betcha you need tools the first few times until you loosen it up

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sphery:

Big_D_271: other option is you may be able to make it work (even with the framebuffer/kms stuff) by passing vmalloc=256m on the kernel command line

[05:01:08]

Beirdo:

j-rod: not really sure

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sphery:

Big_D_271: and, I've heard that the vmalloc stuff may be required for usign nvidia video cards and certain capture cards in the same system--specifically the HVR-1600

[05:01:45]

** sphery goes to break his XBox 360 faceplate **

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j-rod:

Beirdo: wondering about it, as lirc_mceusb, lirc_mceusb2, lirc_streamzap, lirc_ene0100 are all gone now...

[05:02:08]

j-rod:

oh, and lirc_imon, mostly

[05:02:31]

j-rod:

talked a buddy of mine into working on lirc_i2c over the weekend too

[05:02:46]

j-rod:

that reminds me, I was going to dig out one of my cards to loan him to test w/...

[05:05:12]

Beirdo:

nice

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ok, so the faceplate popped off, but I still can't find the right hole

[05:06:25]

sphery:

seems there's a secondary faceplate covering it

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Beirdo:

heh

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Big_D_271:

sphery: I have the pvr-350 .... still working on suggestions :)

[05:18:16]

Beirdo:

j-rod: what's replacing all those lirc_*?

[05:18:44]

j-rod:

new ir-core drivers

[05:18:50]

Beirdo:

ah

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j-rod:

or soon, rc-core

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j-rod:

after 2.6.36-rc1, when we move and rename the entire subsystem. :)

[05:19:08]

Beirdo:

you really really like breaking peoples' systems in the name of progress :)

[05:19:11]

Beirdo:

heheh

[05:19:31]

j-rod:

most of the drivers so far are just dropping lirc_ off their names

[05:19:40]

Beirdo:

cool

[05:19:49]

j-rod:

in-kernel decode Just Works right out of the box for bundled remotes, so yes

[05:20:00]

j-rod:

we still need proper input layer support in mythtv

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Yay, disc recovered. Turned out it was easier than I realized. Just needed to point the reticle at the drive, then it popped up an open "Open DVD drive", then I just selected, "Take all".

[05:20:06]

j-rod:

on my TODO list, but its a long list

[05:20:23]

wagnerrp:

take all?

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sphery:

that's how you take stuff you find inside things in Fallout 3 :)

[05:20:40]

j-rod:

so lirc_mceusb{,2} -> mceusb, lirc_streamzap -> streamzap, lirc_imon -> imon, lirc_ene0100 -> ene_ir to date

[05:20:45]

Beirdo:

nice. well, I'm not upgrading quite yet :)

[05:20:55]

sphery:

actually, it was step 8 of http://support.microsoft.com/kb/906935/en-US/#Xbox360 (i.e. the 3rd hole you're supposed to try)

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Beirdo:

hehe

[05:21:19]

Beirdo:

sphery: you are just... tempting the immature

[05:21:24]

sphery:

heh

[05:21:50]

sphery:

well, I'm done with the xbox for the night. I recovered my Fallout and it doesn't seem to be scratched.

[05:22:36]

sphery:

so I'll stop with the comments on the process

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Beirdo:

you had to put it in all three holes?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

OK, silenced errors... here goes

[05:23:29]

** j-rod needs sleep. ttfn... **

[05:24:13]

Beirdo:

ah crap, missed one

[05:24:21]

Beirdo:

B picture before any references

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Beirdo:

down to about 5 messages a second

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

mythfrontend 2>&1 | grep -v 'AFD Error' > /var/log/mythfrontend.log

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sphery:

or some real log filter app :)

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Beirdo:

backend

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sphery:

or that :)

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Beirdo:

from commflagging

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Beirdo:

I thought B pictures were supposed to be bidirectional...

[05:29:02]

Beirdo:

hence MAY come before the referring frame

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Beirdo:

I dunno... the video looks fine to me

[05:29:58]

Beirdo:

and as it's MY myth box :)

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sphery:

Beirdo: whew! the guy on the list who lost all 850 recordings and all his recording rules looked at his log file and found 2 IP addresses in Germany were the ones that hit his system. So my finding it to verify my hypothesis didn't make him think I did it.

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Beirdo:

hehe

[05:31:05]

Beirdo:

cool

[05:31:24]

Beirdo:

sucks to be him... ignoring the big warnings in mythweb config....

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wagnerrp:

so someone connected to his system and deleted everything?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

seems that way

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Beirdo:

OK, silenced THAT message

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wagnerrp:

HAHAH... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhwoUxeTWsA#t=5m50s

[05:38:14]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, it sounds like on every *buntu update MythWeb's auth is removed...

[05:38:21]

sphery:

not a good feature...

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sphery:

Beirdo: heh, Spy Hunter

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you cant really call that 'abuse'

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sphery:

oh, and what is it with you and knowing all the parameters for linking to specific parts...

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wagnerrp:

its like calling the cops on someone looting your garbage

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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sphery:

I understand your knowing how it works on your site, but I've never seen it on YouTube before

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

!url lmgtfy link directly to time in youtube

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MythLogBot:

lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=link%20directly%20to%20time%20in%20youtube

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wagnerrp:

booyah!

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sphery:

lol

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I do like my response to his message

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sphery:

just hope he doesn't think it was meant maliciously

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wagnerrp:

you know, ive missed most of that thread

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wagnerrp:

it just never showed up in my inbox

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Beirdo:

heheeh

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sphery:

gotta love those spam filters that hit before you can say no...

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sphery:

:)

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Beirdo:

OMG.

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Beirdo:

203.7fps commflagging 480p

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

but no spew

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sphery:

nice

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Beirdo:

thankfully

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dangit, why am I hungry again?!

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Beirdo:

hmmm. my HDPVR ate Rizzolli & Isles

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Beirdo:

thanks

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Beirdo:

and it ain't rescheduled yet

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Beirdo:

ah well, it's just tv

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Beirdo:

that's a great quote...

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Beirdo:

"Drive carefully? No!"

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Beirdo:

bed. Night all

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ServerSage:

So I've finally tracked down a 2010 Mac Mini with an Nvidia 9400M. The NVidia docs say it may not support H264 streams with certain widths. I'm recording from a HDPVR. does anybody know if this will effect it? I've not been able to find how this all relates.

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gbee:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/03/samsung_3_platter/

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Perdignus:

Hello – according to "Recorded Programs" in MythWeb, I have 8917 Live TV recordings. Is there a way I can purge these?

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sid3windr:

fill up your disk :]

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Perdignus:

I as able to use myth.find_orphans.pl to delete 97 of them that still had files, but there are still some 8000 LiveTV recordings listed by mythweb, can I delete or purge these from the DB somehow?

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wagnerrp:

livetv recordings should be purged automatically by the backend housekeeper thread

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gbee:

but it won't delete them if it can't find files since it assumes that the disk is offline

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gbee:

myth.find_orphans.pl will delete dead entries with the correct args

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gbee:

--dodbdelete

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gbee:

Perdignus: ^^

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Perdignus:

gbee: thanks, I think I didn't see the db in dodbdelete

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Perdignus:

can myth.find_orphans.pl be run without the directory specified, just to clean up the database?

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jwest-:

anyone used wdlxtv?

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skd5aner:

any preliminary timeframes for pre-0.24 freezes?

[15:53:21]

iamlindoro:

?

[15:53:29]

iamlindoro:

Are you asking when feature freeze for .24 is?

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skd5aner:

yes

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iamlindoro:

9/1

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skd5aner:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

(It's been that since .23 was released)

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skd5aner:

I thought so... but I've been aroudn this community long enough to see dates slide every single release ;)

[15:54:43]

skd5aner:

at least there "are" dates now :D

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skd5aner:

You know... if the next cycle could only be 5 months, then ubuntu would probably be able to distribute actual releases versus RCs during their release cycles

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skd5aner:

which, I know is sometimes a support nightmare around here... "I'm running .23" "no you're not, your running pre-.23" "but it says I'm running .23"... yada yada

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skd5aner:

then get back on a 6 month release cycle from there

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gbee:

we'd rather ubuntu et al shipped with a stable 0.23 than a freshly released 0.24

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kormoc:

Indeed

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skd5aner:

gbee: yea, that makes sense too

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tgm4883:

good news then

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tgm4883:

we are :)

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tgm4883:

well, we'd like to

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kormoc:

and if you cater to ubuntu, you then get folks complaining about fedora, or centos or or or....

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tgm4883:

right now it fails to build

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kormoc:

so I personally rather just release when it's ready and let the distro folks worry about what to ship when

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skd5aner:

I remember Mark Shuttleworth asking a few years back for FOSS projects to get in standard release cycles to help distros plan on what releases to package, etc

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skd5aner:

was an interesting request

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tgm4883:

skd5aner, IIRC, it wasn't so much standard release cycles as it was requesting everyone to release around the same time

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gbee:

and IIRC he was asking distros, not all projects

[16:03:30]

gbee:

and IIRC it was a year or so ago, not a few years (but then my memory is shot to pieces)

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tgm4883:

gbee, I think he wanted larger projects to do it as well, ie gnome

[16:03:59]

tgm4883:

but yea, last year I thin

[16:04:01]

tgm4883:

k

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skd5aner:

2007

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skd5aner:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Shuttleworth-S . . . -59112.shtml

[16:05:05]

skd5aner:

but, googling, it appears he's brought it up a few more times ;)

[16:05:06]

tgm4883:

hmm

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gbee:

his stated intention at the time was that it would make it easier for users to compare distros on the basis of what they individually offered and not the versions of each app they brought with them

[16:05:40]

tgm4883:

yea I was going to say, I was just getting into development in 2007 and it was way after that

[16:06:07]

skd5aner:

why we're arguing over the date of the idea, is really not the point :P

[16:06:34]

gbee:

who's arguing? :)

[16:06:43]

skd5aner:

I stopped paying attention to slashdot around 2007 on a daily basis, which is where I remember reading it... but I digress

[16:06:47]

skd5aner:

;)

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** tgm4883 isn't arguing **

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skd5aner:

all is fair... I think it makes more sense as you state gbee, for distros to take something that's been stable for several months rather than try and package up the spankin' new release

[16:08:13]

tgm4883:

skd5aner, that depends on the distro

[16:08:36]

tgm4883:

I wouldn't want to make broad generalizations like that

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gbee:

it's just not realistic to expect all projects to work to the same schedule, they don't all have the same goals or number of contributors, it's easy to target a specific date if you can count on the number of man-hours that are put in over a given period but in entirely volunteer driven projects that just doesn't happen

[16:08:55]

skd5aner:

well, and by that... I really mean taking something like Ubuntu did, I believe their last 2 release cycles, and leveraging RCs or pre-releases

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skd5aner:

tgm4883: I'm referring specifically to myth, not FOSS as a whole

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tgm4883:

skd5aner, so your saying if .24 released in sept, that ubuntu 10.10 shouldn't ship with it?

[16:10:18]

skd5aner:

"released" is key – ubuntu shipped pre-released code the last 2 times

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iamlindoro:

.24 will be out 10/1 at the earliest, most likely

[16:10:38]

iamlindoro:

9/1 freeze, 10/1 release

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tgm4883:

you specifically said distros shouldn't package up the brand spankin' new release

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skd5aner:

ubuntu will probably ship ~10/31 I'm guessing per their usual

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skd5aner:

tgm4883: I was agreeing that gbee's opinion made sense

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skd5aner:

for myth

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tgm4883:

skd5aner, that doesn't have jack to do with what version of mythtv gets shipped with mythbuntu

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tgm4883:

as the mythtv release would need to be in the repos long before the distro is released

[16:12:36]

skd5aner:

yes, I'm aware

[16:12:59]

skd5aner:

which is my point...

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tgm4883:

on the other hand, if .24 released on Oct 1st, why shouldn't 10.10 have it?

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gbee:

just because 0.24 is released by then doesn't mean Ubuntu should ship with it either, MythTV doesn't get enough testing in the pre-release and so there are normally a few bugs found and fixed in the weeks after a release

[16:14:22]

skd5aner:

tgm4883: exactly because of what gbee just said

[16:14:24]

tgm4883:

gbee, thats where I disagree and think it depends on the distro. Sure for something such as Debian/RHEL that would make sense, but I believe some people use ubuntu/fedora for more up to date packages

[16:14:31]

gbee:

since Ubuntu doesn't provide official updates to the MythTV packages most users live with those bugs and probably base their opinion of MythTV on that experience

[16:15:01]

iamlindoro:

meanwhile ubuntu pushes out hundreds of other updates

[16:15:03]

iamlindoro:

daily

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tgm4883:

We should get away from saying Ubuntu packages mythtv, which they dont

[16:15:23]

** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

Someone affiliated with the distro is adding packages they approved or made to the sources for other ubuntu users to use....

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tgm4883:

Define affiliated, there are no ubuntu paid developers that package mythtv for ubuntu

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tgm4883:

*to my knowledge*

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iamlindoro:

Since you don't need to add extra repositories to install myth on ubuntu, from a user perspective those are ubuntu-provided packages

[16:17:40]

kormoc:

by that logic there are no packages for Gentoo period and most of Fedora isn't packaged by Fedora....

[16:18:01]

skd5aner:

So, two arguments here, since my words are kind of getting twisted abit. 1) Ubuntu has shipped with versions of mythtv, recently, on multiple occasions with versions of MythTV that were not the actual release... I believe that should never occur

[16:18:25]

tgm4883:

iamlindoro, that is true

[16:18:34]

tgm4883:

kormoc, also true, glad we agree :)

[16:18:38]

skd5aner:

2) Should distros package something that was JUST released, and hasn't had a chance to work out bugs... I don't know the answer the that, but I agree that gbee's opinion is a good one

[16:18:41]

gbee:

tgm4883: what I'm trying to get away from is users on certain distros (ubuntu isn't alone), going from one buggy version to the next and never experiencing a truly stable release (which the majority are once we're a month or two past the release)

[16:19:19]

gbee:

I'd actually be happier if distros waited for the first point releases (and we'd make a point of releasing those once things settle down)

[16:19:27]

tgm4883:

skd5aner, true, but we are unable to go back to .23 in the dev cycle if .24 slips at the last minute. Yet we don't want to ship something stale, so it is a fine line to walk

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kormoc:

0.23 is hardly stale if it's only a few months behind 0.24's release

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tgm4883:

gbee, I would love to do that, but I think there are certain features that people are waiting for that prevent this from happening

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** kormoc blinks **

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skd5aner:

exactly... that argument made more since in the .21 days when there wasn't a release for many moons, but now MythTV releases are fairly rapid

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kormoc:

what features are people waking for?

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kormoc:

*waiting

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kormoc:

cause while we've done a ton of work, a lot of it isn't really new core features

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gbee:

it's become an arms race with the new features taking precedence over stability for some packages, IMHO packagers should be concentrating on the latter

[16:21:51]

tgm4883:

kormoc, pretty much everything that is a technical preview right now. With each release we are kinda hoping for more

[16:22:01]

tgm4883:

and yes, you guys do a ton of work and we appreciate that

[16:22:13]

kormoc:

so we're just a technical preview eh

[16:22:15]

skd5aner:

kormoc: I was waiting for the two things jpoet just commited ;) heh

[16:22:23]

iamlindoro:

No, upstream is "disfunctional"

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iamlindoro:

;)

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tgm4883:

kormoc, thats not what I said, don't twist my words

[16:22:36]

iamlindoro:

The mythbuntu devs agree-- they said so themselves on their forum

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tgm4883:

but IIRC storage groups still are

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kormoc:

"<tgm4883> kormoc, pretty much everything that is a technical preview right now."

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kormoc:

how's that twisting your words?

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, yea, I've talked to them about that

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kormoc:

and so in your mind, all the mythbuntu users shouldn't expect stability because it's just a preview?

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iamlindoro:

tgm4883: I say it with a wink, but was definitely not amused when I saw it :)

[16:23:26]

tgm4883:

<kormoc> "<tgm4883> kormoc, pretty much everything THAT IS a technical preview right now."

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tgm4883:

in response to

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tgm4883:

<kormoc> what features are people waking for?

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kormoc:

ooh, sorry

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, yea I wasn't happy about that at all

[16:24:11]

tgm4883:

kormoc, I see where that sentence was confusing though

[16:24:13]

kormoc:

well, still, I don't know a single technical preview right now

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skd5aner:

So, glad I started all of this... 9/1 it is, thanks iamlindoro ;)

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tgm4883:

kormoc, aren't storage groups and MNV technical previews?

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: SGs for mythvideo

[16:24:36]

iamlindoro:

MNV is no longer beta

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iamlindoro:

I am guilty there, I am the one who first called it a tech preview

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iamlindoro:

(SGs in MythVideo)

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iamlindoro:

and only because we didn't want 10,000 bugs on how ISOs don't work

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythNetvision disagrees with you

[16:25:10]

iamlindoro:

it's the only known bug/limitation with that technology

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kormoc:

tgm4883, I see them as our standard code path that might need work but users should be using them

[16:25:25]

iamlindoro:

tgm4883: Because I haven't updated the wiki-- and in released versions, it *is* still a beta

[16:25:31]

skd5aner:

tgm4883: iamlindoro write both the release AND the wiki... so

[16:25:34]

iamlindoro:

tgm4883: But in trunk, it no longer gets tagged as beta in configure

[16:25:50]

tgm4883:

iamlindoro, thats good news

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, any words on ISO's? :)

[16:26:11]

iamlindoro:

nothing new

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skd5aner:

Come on... all this is moot since MythTV isn't 1.0 yet... duh!

[16:26:20]

tgm4883:

I myself don't really care, i've converted all mine to h264

[16:26:30]

tgm4883:

but I know it's asked about a bunch

[16:26:33]

kormoc:

we're gonna warp to mythtv-2011

[16:26:35]

skd5aner:

it's obviously still a technical preview till then, because nothing is stable until 1.0, everyone knows that

[16:26:59]

skd5aner:

MythTV 3G

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tgm4883:

skd5aner, if thats the case, then shipping .24-RC should be fine ;)

[16:27:29]

kormoc:

We'll be the first world wide 5g PVR release!

[16:27:43]

skd5aner:

hey, I carry no authority here... package away!

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, MNV looks good though. Any way to subscribe to that wiki page?

[16:28:00]

iamlindoro:

tgm4883: Think you can log in and "watch" it

[16:28:28]

iamlindoro:

But that doesn't send e-mail or anything, just shows up in the history with a special highlight

[16:28:33]

tgm4883:

ah

[16:28:54]

tgm4883:

would be nice to get some sort of notification for new grabbers. There are many more since my last visit

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iamlindoro:

Have at least one task in MNV that I *must* get done in time for .24, sigh, need to find time for that

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tgm4883:

you can't just <import time> \ make time; ?

[16:30:12]

** iamlindoro thinks that is a python joke but isn't sure **

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iamlindoro:

Which shows you how much python I have learned in all this :)

[16:30:39]

tgm4883:

no, it was a terrible attempt at C++, which I started looking at yesterday

[16:30:50]

tgm4883:

include!

[16:30:53]

** tgm4883 smacks head **

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iamlindoro:

heh

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kormoc:

just sneak into all your co-workers houses and reset their watches/clocks back a few hours, and presto, extra time!

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tgm4883:

alright i'm going back to work now. AFAIk, mythbuntu is shipping with a recent checkout of the .23 branch

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gbee:

fwiw I intend on working on a workaround for ISOs + SG in time for 0.24, it won't be an ultimate solution but it will enable users with ISOs to play them back from locally mounted storage groups without needing to mix/match SGs with the old local directory stuff

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** iamlindoro opposes workarounds **

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iamlindoro:

As then it's easy to "live with it" rather than ever fix it

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kormoc:

well

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kormoc:

what do we need to do to fix it right?

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gbee:

iamlindoro: true, but in this instance I don't think the proper fix is coming any time soon, GreyFoxx has stopped working on it AFAIK and apart from his FUSE idea nothing else has even been proposed

[16:38:58]

iamlindoro:

For Captain_Murdoch to rescue us ;)

[16:39:14]

kormoc:

heh

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gbee:

I've an idea for handling ISOs etc properly, but it's going to take longer and means having the backend open the ISO for DVDnav – maybe, I don't know how well that would work in practice ...

[16:39:29]

iamlindoro:

Realistically, I think the solution that he and I talked out is the best/only one

[16:39:38]

gbee:

alternatively we mod libdvdnav to allow it to work with remote files

[16:39:54]

iamlindoro:

which is essentially tunneling the open/read/etc. stuff through the protocol

[16:39:56]

iamlindoro:

yes, or that

[16:40:00]

iamlindoro:

I guess I could look at that

[16:40:16]

iamlindoro:

I have gotten a little more familiar with that stuff over the past few months

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gbee:

iamlindoro: heh, sounds like you and Captain_Murdoch have the same basic idea that I come up with

[16:40:30]

iamlindoro:

and libmythbluray allows one to replace file open/read/seek functions too

[16:41:26]

iamlindoro:

Cures my suddenly thriving social life

[16:41:28]

iamlindoro:

er Curse

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skd5aner:

and cures it too

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iamlindoro:

Well, if I start working hard on myth again it will ;)

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wagnerrp:

gbee: if i wanted to, i could spend a few hours fixing up mythfs.py, make it properly robust, and wrap it with a script for external players

[16:55:56]

wagnerrp:

but getting FUSE set up on end users' systems, and even more importantly getting it set up such that the user running mythfrontend can mount filesystems

[16:56:04]

wagnerrp:

i dont consider it a workable solution

[16:56:35]

wagnerrp:

more an external hack that users can do on their own should they want to do so

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tgm4883:

for legacy mythvideo (pre-storage groups), does the multiple local frontend directory still work? ie. /vid/dir1:/vid/dir2? And if so, is the separater a : or ;

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gbee:

I never really considered fuse to be workable, but I wasn't going to discourage anyone prepared to work on it as a solution, however temporary

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gbee:

if we're going to have a hack, it might as well be the ability to play things directly from a locally mounted storage group, that's conceptually easy and not that different from what users have done in the past, but it allows us to do away with the old settings and when support for playback from remote storage groups is added the transition would be seamless

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tgm4883:

I've checked the wiki and looked back though the history, but can't seem to find the correct syntax for it

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Beirdo:

sphery: the idiot is back

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Beirdo:

how long before he gets unsubscribed? :)

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gbee:

tgm4883: as best I can recall it's :

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gbee:

and that should still work

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gbee:

but mixing legacy with storage groups doesn't work well at all

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tgm4883:

gbee, thanks

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ServerSage:

So I've finally tracked down a 2010 Mac Mini with an Nvidia 9400M. The NVidia docs say it may not support H264 streams with certain widths. I'm recording from a HDPVR. does anybody know if this will effect it? I've not been able to find how this all relates.

[18:11:02]

Beirdo:

haven't I seen this before?

[18:11:38]

Beirdo:

does the nvidia docs say WHICH certain widths will be an issue?

[18:11:44]

Beirdo:

s/does/do/

[18:11:46]

ServerSage:

Beirdo: Sorry, was an up-arrow enter moment, wasn't supposed to post that again.

[18:12:11]

ServerSage:

Beirdo: Wrong window, right keyboard strokes. Hehe.

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sphery:

tease

[18:13:10]

ServerSage:

Beirdo: Yes, they do say which widths. I just couldn't find how they pertained to the HDPVR h264 recordings.

[18:13:19]

Beirdo:

...

[18:13:32]

Beirdo:

HDPVR records at specific widths.

[18:13:44]

Beirdo:

480i/p -> 720

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wagnerrp:

why would you want to struggle to find a 2010 mac mini with a 9400m?

[18:13:58]

Beirdo:

720p -> 1280 (I think)

[18:14:08]

Beirdo:

1080i -> 1920 (I think)

[18:14:20]

Beirdo:

I haven't had enough coffee to make sure those are perfectly correct

[18:14:22]

abqjp:

Beirdo: yup.

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hopper75:

I had a problem where retrieving listings from schedulesdirect did nothing. Nothing worked to solve. I just changed my password and it is solved. It was working before so go figure.

[18:14:40]

wagnerrp:

ServerSage: the 2010 models should come with a gt330m, which by all accounts is a better chip

[18:14:40]

Beirdo:

so if it has issues with those PARTICULAR widths, you have issues

[18:15:01]

ServerSage:

Beirdo: Here is the note from NVidia. GPUs with this note may not support H.264 streams with the following widths: 49, 54, 59, 64, 113, 118, 123, 128 macroblocks (769–784, 849–864, 929–944, 1009–1024, 1793–1808, 1873–1888, 1953–1968, 2033–2048 pixels).

[18:15:20]

Beirdo:

right.

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gbee:

so you're safe

[18:15:35]

Beirdo:

did you read the 3 widths you will be recording with an HDPVR? :)

[18:15:36]

ServerSage:

wagnerrp: Who said I was sturggling? I found one for $200, thought it was a better deal than $600 for a new one.

[18:15:45]

Beirdo:

none are on the bad list

[18:15:52]

wagnerrp:

then its not a 2010 model

[18:16:11]

Beirdo:

now, H.264 NOT from an HDPVR, who knows

[18:16:31]

ServerSage:

wagnerrp: 2.53GHz P8700, NVidia 9400M w/255MB. Thats a 2010 model.

[18:16:41]

wagnerrp:

that chip should be able to decode any commercially available h264 video

[18:16:44]

ServerSage:

Beirdo: If it's not from an HDPVR, I don't use it. Hehe.

[18:17:05]

wagnerrp:

now anything you encode on your own, just remember not to crop it to weird resolutions

[18:17:27]

ServerSage:

wagnerrp: Hehe, noted. Thanks.

[18:17:28]

hopper75:

I was getting strange 500 error messages from mythfilldatabase. They're gone now. Wish I had those few hours debugging back. :-) Thanks to those that offered advice.

[18:17:50]

ServerSage:

Glad I up-arrowed now. Got real advice.

[18:18:59]

ServerSage:

wagnerrp: Out of curiosity, why do you say it's not a 2010 model?

[18:19:18]

Beirdo:

yeah, occasional repeats are OK... space em out over at least an hour though to keep from annoying everyone :)

[18:19:42]

ServerSage:

Beirdo: I had originally posted it about 9 hour ago I think. :) Last thing I posted before bed.

[18:20:05]

wagnerrp:

the 2010 redesign included the thinner case and GT330m

[18:20:23]

wagnerrp:

the 9400M systems were all originally released in 2009

[18:21:06]

ServerSage:

wagnerrp: Aaaah, gotcha. I should have said instead then that it was purchased in early 2010. My bad. Thanks for clarifying. I realized my reply to you came off as asshole'ish. Was not my intent.

[18:21:08]

wagnerrp:

even though the 2010 redesign wasnt until june, IMHO the older systems are still '2009 models'

[18:22:03]

ServerSage:

wagnerrp: Yup, you are 100% correct. Is the 2009 model something to stay away from? Or for $200 is it something to jump on?

[18:22:05]

skd5aner:

If were were talking about cars, it would be the 2010 model... and wagnerrp would be referring to the 2011 model

[18:22:29]

wagnerrp:

how about we call it the 'latest model'

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skd5aner:

I always hated when sports video games did the same thing... I wouldn't be surprised is Madden 2012 is already for sale :P

[18:23:04]

wagnerrp:

2.26GHz or 2.53GHz?

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skd5aner:

s/is/if

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ServerSage:

wagnerrp: 2.53

[18:24:09]

wagnerrp:

ServerSage: then you should have enough power to decode anything the HDPVR outputs without needed hardware acceleration

[18:24:49]

ServerSage:

wagnerrp: Sweeet. But is there any reason to not use vdpau? Or is that not the hardware accel you are referring to?

[18:25:16]

wagnerrp:

yes, VDPAU is nvidia's hardware accelerated decoding

[18:25:20]

wagnerrp:

flexibility

[18:25:52]

wagnerrp:

the hardware decoding was designed years ago, and is static

[18:26:13]

wagnerrp:

software decoders tend to be more robust, better handling of stream errors, etc...

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ServerSage:

wagnerrp: But if I'm not mistaken the mac mini will fry eggs when using software decoders.

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wagnerrp:

then the mac mini is a horrible design

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ServerSage:

wagnerrp: Well, unless it was designed to fry eggs while watching TV.

[18:28:12]

ServerSage:

wagnerrp: Then it's just clever.

[18:28:23]

wagnerrp:

if you design a computer that cannot manage the heat load of TDP indefinitely, then you screwed up

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sid3windr:

:)

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sid3windr:

starcraft 2 killed some video cards apparently :p

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wagnerrp:

seems that would be somewhere around 60–65W for full system load

[18:31:20]

wagnerrp:

CPU and graphics

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ServerSage:

wagnerrp: Maybe it was the older models that worked as space heaters.

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ServerSage:

sid3windr: It certainly works my video card out.

[18:36:06]

sid3windr:

yeah but there was a "bug" in the menu

[18:36:13]

sid3windr:

that didn't limit the frame rate

[18:36:22]

sid3windr:

so your gpu usage was 100% as long as you were in the menu

[18:36:36]

sid3windr:

so if you leave it in the menu for a few hours... apparently some cards were badly designed or something :)

[18:36:50]

wagnerrp:

again, if your thermal solution cannot handle TDP indefinitely, it is broken

[18:37:52]

wagnerrp:

starcraft didnt break those video cards, those were just manufacturing issues exposed by it

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ServerSage:

wagnerrp: I completely agree.

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ServerSage:

wagnerrp: I'm curious, what do you use for your frontend?

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wagnerrp:

AthX2 2.6+GF8200 on one, Ath 2.0+GF8400 on the other

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gbee:

nice

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sid3windr:

wagnerrp: as I said, badly designed :)

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marens:

is there a way to disable the network protocal check of mythfrontend? it's hard to keep both in sync when frontend and backend are used on different distros. tools like mythtv player on windows allow you to diable that check and still work properly.

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iamlindoro:

The protocol check is there for a reason

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iamlindoro:

namely, to prevent you destroying your DB and not knowing about it

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skd5aner:

j-rod: you using pfSense?

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iamlindoro:

so no, there is no way to disable the network protocol check-- all versions of myth on your network need to speak the same language

[19:29:21]

marens:

thanks iamlindoro

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skd5aner:

same versions of the same language ;)

[19:29:27]

iamlindoro:

and FWIW, the "MythTV Player" (unaffiliated with us) lies to the backend to get a connection, and can and will destroy your data

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j-rod:

skd5aner: was looking to.

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marens:

iamlindoro: works here .... so far :)

[19:30:06]

j-rod:

but the 2.0b4 live cd I grabbed boots into a very non-explanatory prompt

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j-rod:

and usb keyboard doesn't work

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skd5aner:

I've been looking for a new alternative...

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iamlindoro:

marens: Just means you're not aware of any damage it's done, not that it hasn't done any yet

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marens:

that's why i said "so far"

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iamlindoro:

except it hasn't necessarily worked so far

[19:31:25]

iamlindoro:

there may very well be a ticking timebomb in your DB/system that you don't know about

[19:31:37]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, this is why we enforce network protocol checks

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wagnerrp:

(try to, anyway)

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marens:

okidoki

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gruyen:

is it possible to run mythcommflag standalone without connecting to the database? i see the --dontwritetodb option, but it still tries to connect even if specifie

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marens:

then i'll try to get the versions to match

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wagnerrp:

gruyen: the 'comskip' project is a stand along commercial detector originally forked off of mythtv's commercial detector

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wagnerrp:

s/along/alone/

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gruyen:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

gruyen: --skipdb

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iamlindoro:

(dontwritetodb is not a valid option TTBOMK)

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gruyen:

also thanks :)

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gbee:

wonder what that does exactly, what good is mythcommflag if it can't write the markup/cutlist to the db?

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wagnerrp:

not much good to us

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wagnerrp:

i assume for debugging

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iamlindoro:

or for those attempting to use it as a cog in their machine

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iamlindoro:

ie skip db, parse cutlist, use for some random non-myth thing

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gruyen:

gbee – we're using mythtv to feed some software we're developing. the commercial cuts are misaligned, so i'm trying to debug by running it manually

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gbee:

let me rephrase, skipdb causes it to write the markup elsewhere?

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** iamlindoro wonders what the odds of receiving relevant patches are **

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iamlindoro:

gbee: yes, to stdout

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gbee:

gruyen: thanks for the explanation, although I was speaking more generally about the --skipdb arg rather than specifically about your intended use :)

[19:36:06]

gbee:

iamlindoro: right, that explains it, thanks

[19:36:29]

iamlindoro:

np

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wagnerrp:

gruyen: http://mythtv.org/wiki/How_to_write_a_new_met . . . al_detection

[19:37:20]

wagnerrp:

not sure how useful that actually is

[19:37:25]

wagnerrp:

its at least four years old

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gbee:

which is at least four years after mythcommflag code was last touched ;)

[19:38:35]

gbee:

</exaggeration for effect>

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gbee:

the last substantive change to mythcommflag was Captain_Murdoch's "Pre & Post Roll" flagger a year ago, before that you have to go back another two years when Robert Tsai made some improvements

[19:47:24]

gruyen:

what are the d2 methods? is d2_all more "all"ish than all? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Commercial_Detection doesn't mention them

[19:49:15]

gruyen:

i.e, the --help for mythcommflag includes: --method <method> Commercial flagging method[s] to employ

[19:49:15]

gruyen:

off, blank, scene, blankscene, logo, all, d2, d2_logo, d2_blank, d2_scene, d2_all

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gbee:

suspect that 'd2' denotes the 2nd gen detection written by Robert Tsai, it was experimental and to the best of my knowledge it has never left the experimental phase

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gbee:

there has been a surprising lack of interest in developing commercial detection further and improving it beyond what was written 4–6 years ago. it deals with some technically challenging stuff but I'm not certain that's the real reason

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wagnerrp:

why improve it when there are other people on the internet who do it for you? :P

[19:57:29]

gbee:

I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about :p

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Captain_Murdoch:

gbee, it's the fact that it works well enough for me and I have other itches to scratch. it's something you can spend a great deal of time in for very little effort. we've had at least 3–4 people along the way who came in really enthusiastic and then a few months or year later they were gone because it's not an exact science.

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Captain_Murdoch:

and the $10,000,000,000 that hollywood paid me under the table of course.

[20:03:50]

iamlindoro:

When do I get to ride on your yacht, "The MythCommflag"?

[20:04:13]

gbee:

I'd like to announce that I've started work on an improved commercial flagger (spread the word)

[20:04:28]

Captain_Murdoch:

oops, meant to /msg that. I knew as soon as it got out people would want to start borrowing stuff and riding on one of my yachts.

[20:04:50]

** iamlindoro calls dibs on MythCommflag IV this weekend **

[20:05:11]

Captain_Murdoch:

just remember, it's gallons per mile, not miles per gallon.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: how's it goin?

[20:07:04]

Captain_Murdoch:

sleepily

[20:07:13]

Beirdo:

:) I bet

[20:07:48]

Beirdo:

I'd love to see some animated gifs :) hehe

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Beirdo:

I know that ain't priority :)

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** Beirdo pokes CyberKnet with a trout **

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Captain_Murdoch:

Beirdo, I have the code working for local images, it even honors non-equal delays like your weather maps that have 6 frames with short delays and then a 2-second pause before the cycle starts over.

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Beirdo:

cool.

[20:09:58]

Beirdo:

so it's just http ones that need some work at this point?

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gbee:

ooh, I didn't even know gifs allowed that

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Captain_Murdoch:

was playing with the remote stuff the other night. I was going to look at expanding MythDownloadManager like gbee suggested so we could get at the actual QNetworkReply, but didn't get around to that yet so I was just using the QByteArray method. that was failing and I haven't had a chance to figure it out yet.

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, figure out the remote issue and maybe do some code cleanup.

[20:10:49]

Beirdo:

Cool

[20:11:38]

Beirdo:

of course, I realize, there are other priorities :)

[20:11:52]

CyberKnet:

Any prevailing wisdom for mid-level RAID controller cards? I want to replace a 3ware Escalade 9500S-4LP

[20:12:15]

Beirdo:

that's what I'd be replacing WITH, personally :)

[20:12:22]

Captain_Murdoch:

gbee, basically I made a m_Delays hash to match m_Images, a SetDelays() like SetImages(), and I copy the delays out of the gif and call SetDelays(). the delay code uses the m_Delay if hte hash is empty.

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo: really? Want to buy a used one?

[20:12:48]

Beirdo:

CyberKnet: nah, still have my Adaptec one which I'm not using

[20:13:04]

CyberKnet:

I'd like higher drive capacity.

[20:13:09]

Beirdo:

ahhh

[20:13:13]

CyberKnet:

and the ability to convert a mirror to a stripe

[20:13:16]

Beirdo:

likewise...

[20:13:23]

Beirdo:

stripe this

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Beirdo:

anyways, I'm not RAIDing other than software mirroring at this exact time

[20:14:27]

CyberKnet:

Was thinking about an Areca 1222

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Beirdo:

my "new" dev box will be mirrored too, I think

[20:14:54]

CyberKnet:

8 SATA/SAS ports if I understand correctly.

[20:15:33]

CyberKnet:

Someone in channel here was a fan of the Areca cards iirc

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Beirdo:

they owned by LSI too?

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gbee:

Captain_Murdoch: sounds good

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CyberKnet:

I didn't think so...

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Beirdo:

seems not

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CyberKnet:

LSI buying 3ware is kind of the reason I wouldn't be looking at 3ware this time.

[20:16:59]

Beirdo:

they'll get bought soon enough :)

[20:17:01]

CyberKnet:

that, and 3ware was always very expensive.

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CyberKnet:

I could afford four ports on 3ware. eight ports I could not.

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Beirdo:

I'm thinking of going more towards a ready-made NAS solution anyways

[20:17:59]

CyberKnet:

why so?

[20:18:00]

Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: all sounds good to me :) Thanks for the update

[20:18:20]

Beirdo:

CyberKnet: I dunno. don't really want to reinvent the wheel yet again?

[20:18:25]

Beirdo:

many of them run Linux anyways

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CyberKnet:

Connected over gigabit ethernet?

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CyberKnet:

or are you thinking to do FC?

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Beirdo:

gigE

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** CyberKnet can't imagine having the money to do FC at home **

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Beirdo:

I wish

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CyberKnet:

I dunno. For some reason I get nervous about storage over ethernet for tv capture.

[20:19:55]

CyberKnet:

I'm not saying it's rational.

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Beirdo:

I used to do it all over NFS

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Beirdo:

doesn't phase me much

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-ValueRAM-PC2-3 . . . p/B0002TG1XO

[20:21:08]

Beirdo:

now THAT should make my little free dev box usable

[20:21:44]

Beirdo:

have 512MB in it right now

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CyberKnet:

be a nice upgrade.

[20:22:01]

Beirdo:

just got the box yesterday

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Beirdo:

(recycled from work) :)

[20:22:26]

Beirdo:

P4 2.8MHz (unfortunately 32-bit), i865 chipset

[20:23:24]

Beirdo:

Dell Optiplex 170L, I think is the model

[20:23:39]

Beirdo:

but heck, for free...

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CyberKnet:

for free, is great.

[20:24:23]

Beirdo:

so with RAM, a $50 computer

[20:24:23]

Beirdo:

heh

[20:25:29]

Beirdo:

Amazon Prime FTW

[20:25:38]

Beirdo:

anyways... should have RAM on Thursday

[20:28:52]

Beirdo:

I want a 15" LCD too, but we'll see

[20:29:41]

CyberKnet:

Hmm... it is possible to convert SFF-8087 to SFF-8088.

[20:29:48]

CyberKnet:

This card is looking better every minute.

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Beirdo:

might do something bigger, dunno, but it's mainly for to have something small :)

[20:30:37]

CyberKnet:

retail is $469.99 though. that's a big chunk.

[20:30:48]

Beirdo:

you sure yer not Scottish? :)

[20:30:49]

Beirdo:

heh

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo: I believe we've been over this before ;)

[20:31:39]

CyberKnet:

probably when I was buying the 3ware 9500S

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CyberKnet:

heh

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CyberKnet:

I'd eventually like to do external enclosure for my drives, so SFF-8088 was important. I thought I would just have to lose out if I couldn't afford the enclosure right now... so that's good news.

[20:32:54]

sphery:

Hmmm... 2TB Seagate for $99.99

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sid3windr:

heh

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sid3windr:

CyberKnet: what's the problem with lsi controllers? I have a bunch of them, they're quite alright

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wagnerrp:

eew.... PC2 3200?

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sphery:

they need to stop making these prices look tempting... I don't /need/ more storage

[20:33:24]

wagnerrp:

surprised they /ever/ made that garbage

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sid3windr:

not as good as the areca though (i guess I was the fanboi you were looking for ;)

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** wagnerrp almost sideswiped a big truck **

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you shouldn't IRC while you drive

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wagnerrp:

not my fault, he decided to make a right turn with no turn signals

[20:34:49]

sphery:

I thought turn signals were just optional?

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sphery:

no one around here uses them (except me, of course)

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wagnerrp:

from the left turn lane... the /left/ turn lane.... the L-E-F-T TURN LANE

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sphery:

heh, ok, in that case, he should have used some signal

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wagnerrp:

'oh, hes breaking and merging left, he must be turning le-- oh holy crap...'

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: that's all this box will take.

[20:36:07]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: and he must be Puerto Rican

[20:36:16]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: 'PC2' means DDR2

[20:36:23]

Beirdo:

that's a common move there

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wagnerrp:

ive never seen a DDR2 chipset that didnt take at least 667 (5300)

[20:36:53]

sid3windr:

I haven't seen a P4 taking DDR2 either

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sid3windr:

:)

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sid3windr:

so I think Beirdo should check the specs ;>

[20:37:18]

Beirdo:

dangit

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wagnerrp:

yeah, a lot of the 775 socket systems took DDR2

[20:37:22]

Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

how important could it possibly be... oh, wait, I forgot--Udo proved that mythbackend /uses/ RAM

[20:37:39]

sid3windr:

:D

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Beirdo:

cancelled...

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Beirdo:

stupid 2

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Beirdo:

hehe

[20:38:29]

Beirdo:

thank you

[20:38:33]

CyberKnet:

mtybackend uses ram?

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Luke_Wolf:

hello I'm trying to configure mythtv, but it fails to login to the database, and gives a no Upnp error on starting, I took a log running under root http://pastebin.com/zZS39TsA

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wagnerrp:

is mysql running?

[20:39:28]

** sphery thinks his spam filter is trying to tell him something... For some reason it let a spate of "Meet local girls" e-mails through. **

[20:39:44]

Beirdo:

yeah, I need 184-pin DIMM – DDR PC2700

[20:39:48]

Luke_Wolf:

I'm not sure, the package is installed but I haven't been able to connect

[20:40:01]

wagnerrp:

have you read any documentation?

[20:40:23]

Luke_Wolf:

some, but most of it seems to be for if you can connect..

[20:40:35]

Beirdo:

max size 1G * 2 sticks

[20:41:10]

wagnerrp:

Luke_Wolf: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

[20:41:22]

Beirdo:

$73.99 for PNY, $76.99 for Crucial

[20:41:46]

wagnerrp:

yeah, DDR1 is expensive

[20:41:57]

Beirdo:

buttheads

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sphery:

the UPnP error is not an error

[20:42:22]

sphery:

it's just a "I don't see a backend running, so I can't configure things automatically for you."

[20:42:40]

sphery:

we need to change that so people don't think it's an error

[20:42:49]

Beirdo:

UPnP has its issues though :)

[20:43:26]

wagnerrp:

im still baffled by the fact that you can only run one UPNP program on a computer

[20:43:26]

sphery:

Luke_Wolf: you just need to provide the proper database hostname, username, and password, then the master backend IP address and this backend's IP address

[20:44:20]

wagnerrp:

sphery: mythtv-setup tried and failed to connect to the mysql server through the local unix socket

[20:44:23]

grumpydevil:

Sigh... i am pretty sure mythtv-setup has borked the inputgroup table

[20:44:30]

grumpydevil:

where can i find how it should be populated?

[20:44:37]

wagnerrp:

were he setting up a second remote backend, he probably wouldnt be asking these questions

[20:44:53]

wagnerrp:

meaning the most likely scenario is that he hasnt even set mysql up yet

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sphery:

grumpydevil: mythtv-setups don't bork database tables, users bork database data

[20:45:25]

grumpydevil:

you can forget that...

[20:45:44]

grumpydevil:

i have a situation where i have 3 DVB-C cards and 3 DVB-S2 cards.

[20:45:45]

wagnerrp:

what makes you think the table is broken?

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grumpydevil:

any time i run mythtv-setup i end up with some cards not being used for recording

[20:46:11]

grumpydevil:

it is doing that again :(

[20:46:24]

wagnerrp:

perhaps because they are not needed?

[20:46:31]

grumpydevil:

it uses dvb-c 0 and 1 and refuses to schedule dvc number 2

[20:46:41]

grumpydevil:

in stead it goes to analog card

[20:46:47]

wagnerrp:

the only reason to use input groups is when you have a single tuner that exposes multiple interfaces

[20:46:49]

grumpydevil:

which is what i do NOT want it to do

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sphery:

grumpydevil: you almost definitely have input connections problems due to misconfiguration. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 to clean up the garbage, then you'll just have to properly configure them

[20:47:02]

wagnerrp:

such that you want to make sure mythtv does not try to use multiple at the same time

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** sphery needs to wikify cleaning up and configuring Input Connections **

[20:48:15]

grumpydevil:

does not work...

[20:48:18]

grumpydevil:

tried that

[20:48:28]

wagnerrp:

do you have six independent tuners?

[20:48:46]

wagnerrp:

or do you have three cards, each that can be used for DVB-C and DVB-S2

[20:48:52]

Beirdo:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009RPY96/

[20:48:53]

Beirdo:

there

[20:49:02]

grumpydevil:

actually, i have 8 independent tuners... 3 digital cable, 3 digital satelite and 2 analog

[20:49:07]

sphery:

that works, what didn't work was properly reconfiguring them

[20:49:15]

wagnerrp:

so then you should /never/ touch anything with input groups

[20:49:22]

sphery:

exactly

[20:49:28]

grumpydevil:

which is exactly what i did

[20:49:32]

sphery:

and using input groups would actually make it do the kind of thing you got

[20:49:39]

wagnerrp:

you should also define your digital tuners first

[20:49:39]

grumpydevil:

it still creates inputgroups

[20:49:50]

wagnerrp:

yes, they are required for multirec

[20:49:53]

sphery:

connect inputs on your most-preferred tuners first

[20:49:55]

skd5aner:

sphery: you really do...

[20:49:57]

wagnerrp:

each digital tuner should have one inputgroup

[20:50:00]

sphery:

/never/ use any input priorities

[20:50:06]

grumpydevil:

which i also do, so that analog goes in last and is used primarily for any live-tv

[20:50:15]

skd5aner:

sphery: I've done it too many times and I still always search for your emails to reference

[20:50:19]

grumpydevil:

why no input priorities?

[20:50:27]

skd5aner:

cleaning up after channel changes always sucks for me

[20:50:35]

wagnerrp:

because they tend to make things happen in ways you cannot predict

[20:50:42]

sphery:

grumpydevil: because they will make it do things like, "Never schedules with input X"

[20:50:50]

wagnerrp:

most people dont understand how the priorities are used

[20:51:12]

grumpydevil:

ok, what i want the following priority: if the same program is on sat, digital cable and analog, to be selected in that order

[20:51:18]

sphery:

and those who do realize that there's /never/ a good reason to use them :)

[20:51:28]

wagnerrp:

so delete all tuners

[20:51:38]

wagnerrp:

add in your DVB-S2 cards, then your DVB-C cards, then your PAL cards

[20:51:48]

sphery:

using "Delete all capture cards", not "Delete all capture cards on <hostname>"

[20:52:01]

** skd5aner still disagrees that there's never a good reason to use priorities, but always gets outvoted **

[20:52:07]

sphery:

specifically, the "add in" /only/ applies to "Connect Inputs"

[20:52:13]

sphery:

you can add the actual cards in any order desired

[20:52:39]

sphery:

the order of cards indicates the order of Live TV card/input usage when configured with "Avoid conflicts between Live TV and recordigns"

[20:52:54]

sphery:

the order of input connections indicates the order of recording input usage

[20:53:00]

sphery:

(regardless of Avoid conflicts)

[20:53:21]

sphery:

most people want to add cards and inputs in the same order

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grumpydevil:

then the next thing to know, is i have a disecq switch behind all the DVB-S2 cards.. with 2 different satelite positions. Any order in defining the inputs?

[20:53:31]

sphery:

but the critical part is connecting inputs in the proper order

[20:53:46]

j-rod:

sphery: so the guy who had his recordings deleted...

[20:54:11]

wagnerrp:

j-rod: had his mythweb application open to the world at large

[20:54:16]

wagnerrp:

and someone 'taught him a lesson'

[20:54:20]

j-rod:

sent mail about it to the local lug, which has set off a whole bunch of nutters on a "zomg, you shouldn't run mythweb on a public-facing IP EVAR"

[20:54:30]

j-rod:

like, even with ssl and auth

[20:54:38]

j-rod:

I'm having fun arguing with them :)

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: publicly archived?

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sphery:

grumpydevil: I don't know DVB-S* stuff... Sorry

[20:54:57]

j-rod:

probably

[20:55:13]

wagnerrp:

if someone can break through an SSL tunnel to your apache server, you have more important problems than simply losing all your recordings

[20:55:18]

grumpydevil:

sphery: so it does not rerally matter in which order i define the capturecards, but it does matter in which order i define the input connections?

[20:55:21]

j-rod:

iamlindoro: one sec, lemme find it...

[20:55:22]

sphery:

j-rod: what are their arguments against it when you have things "sufficiently" locked down

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j-rod:

http://lists.blu.org/pipermail/discuss/2010-August/thread.html

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sphery:

grumpydevil: you probably want the capture cards defined in the same order as inputs--just to make Live TV use inputs in the opposite order as recordings (since you're using Avoid conflicts...)

[20:56:08]

j-rod:

sphery: still seeking clarification on that. :)

[20:56:30]

j-rod:

sphery: http://lists.blu.org/pipermail/discuss/2010-August/036942.html

[20:56:37]

wagnerrp:

wait... 'script kiddie' means there was actually some effort involved in the 'hack'

[20:56:41]

sphery:

I'll admit that there's always a possibility that someone will find it... But, really, few are likely to hack a good password

[20:56:44]

wagnerrp:

some sort of weakness was exploited

[20:56:59]

wagnerrp:

here, they just walked right onto his front yard

[20:57:03]

iamlindoro:

Anyone who uses the word "Frack" in public should be punched in the face

[20:57:07]

j-rod:

yeah, I've made that point several times too

[20:57:15]

j-rod:

(wagnerrp's)

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wagnerrp:

id love to know what company he sys-admins for

[20:58:50]

sphery:

j-rod: I like his upside, "I now have many hours of disk space."

[20:59:19]

j-rod:

sphery: yeah, see also my comment about 2TB drives being available for $100. :)

[20:59:39]

j-rod:

oh, that's in the thread forked by tom

[20:59:43]

sphery:

yeah, today, specifically, there's a promo on newegg for a 2TB Seagate for $99.99

[20:59:57]

j-rod:

yup, that was my point of reference :)

[21:01:43]

sphery:

heh, Richard P's comment about SSL not helping is missing the point--SSL encrypts that password that you occasionally send across the net so it can't be intercepted

[21:01:49]

wagnerrp:

just give up and switch to openbsd you paranoid f--ks

[21:02:02]

sphery:

heh

[21:02:02]

skd5aner:

oh man, would people quit telling me when hardware is on sale

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sphery:

I always make sure to "route traffic through 37 or more countries" before hitting my MythWeb server for security

[21:02:57]

sphery:

I see exactly how effective it is on TV, so I know it must work.

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skd5aner:

too bad you route through Iran, North Korea, China, and Cambodia

[21:03:27]

sphery:

well, no longer China--they have my system firewalled...

[21:03:33]

wagnerrp:

they traced through 27 of my hops in the last 14 seconds, who is this sysadmin???

[21:03:39]

sphery:

heh

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j-rod:

CTU is closing in on you. And we know you're evil, because you're not using a Mac.

[21:04:34]

sphery:

he must be that guy who showed us how to determine who's on Google and how fast their connections are by using a program called "tracer t"

[21:04:34]

wagnerrp:

i know what im missing, i need more techno to buff my security points

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j-rod:

and moar blinkenlights

[21:05:04]

sphery:

and a stupid UI on your computer

[21:05:25]

j-rod:

"send it to my screen!"

[21:05:26]

Merlina:

hello all

[21:05:43]

Merlina:

is anyone using a FloppyDTV S2 here?

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** sphery wonders if FloppyDTV uses rabbit ear antennas **

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j-rod:

made me think of the 5.25" floppies the ksplice guys were handing out at the red hat summit

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wagnerrp:

ksplice... those the guys who do live kernel patching?

[21:07:46]

j-rod:

yeah

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j-rod:

interesting technology, but mildly terrifying at the same time

[21:08:41]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

ksploooey

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skd5aner:

When can we live patch mythtv?

[21:09:09]

Beirdo:

dunno.

[21:09:14]

Beirdo:

when will hell freeze over?

[21:09:16]

skd5aner:

how about NOW

[21:09:17]

j-rod:

patches welcomed?

[21:09:17]

wagnerrp:

made more so by the fact that they hack together all those patches using dirt cheap intern labor

[21:09:20]

skd5aner:

;)

[21:09:58]

grumpydevil:

at least nvidia is pretty good at driver maintenance

[21:10:18]

j-rod:

wagnerrp: their c<something>o was there, said they pretty much just target rhel5 and centos5

[21:10:29]

j-rod:

and all the patches they provide are things already committed in newer el5 kernels

[21:10:33]

Beirdo:

CDAO?

[21:10:42]

j-rod:

cto, ceo, not sure

[21:10:54]

j-rod:

pretty sure it was NOT cdao tho

[21:10:55]

j-rod:

:)

[21:10:58]

skd5aner:

cio or cto probably

[21:11:01]

Beirdo:

chief dumbass officer :)

[21:11:09]

wagnerrp:

j-rod: of course, they can only patch something for which they have a binary copy

[21:11:26]

wagnerrp:

rhel5/cent5 make it easy, since they rarely change the original copy

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sphery:

j-rod: so I guess Rich can't ever realize that he wants to record show X and borrow someone else's computer/iPhone/... to set up the recording schedule

[21:13:21]

j-rod:

wagnerrp: not sure if they need the binary copy, or if the generate a patch binary from the patches themselves...

[21:13:32]

j-rod:

but yes, I know all about how the rhel5 kernel works. :)

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j-rod:

sphery: yup, my iphone and my ipad are two of the clients I have in mind where I don't want to dick around with vpn, ssh tunnels, etc.

[21:14:21]

** j-rod finally picked up an iphone 4 a few days ago, along with a tragic macpad. **

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Beirdo:

oooh, iFad

[21:15:10]

Luke_Wolf:

hm.. wagnerrp, no dice.. I'm getting access denied errors even running under root. cannot connect to either mc.sql or mythconverg

[21:16:54]

wagnerrp:

you dont connect to files and names, you connect to the mysqld server

[21:17:13]

sphery:

j-rod: did you get your free rubber band, yet?

[21:17:29]

j-rod:

not yet, will come in the mail in a few weeks

[21:17:39]

sphery:

do you have to specifically request it?

[21:17:53]

sphery:

my parents have the iPhone 4 and I dont know that they've done anything to get theirs

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j-rod:

had to get the 'iphone case program' app, or some such, pick one, hit go

[21:18:42]

j-rod:

I actually went with some other mfg's case, just for the hell of it

[21:19:18]

sphery:

ah, I see... thanks

[21:19:49]

sphery:

yeah, my parents got a case the day they got theirs... but this will give them options

[21:20:19]

j-rod:

"The encryption channel does nothing to prevent an attack against auth-digest."

[21:23:17]

sphery:

yeah... seems his only complaint is that a password is lower-quality authentication than certificate-based

[21:23:29]

Beirdo:

jeez

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sphery:

but, really, if someone is brute-forcing your system, you probably ought to notice

[21:23:43]

Beirdo:

if you are that worried, just unplug your mythbox from the internet

[21:23:57]

sphery:

that's why I use only sneakernet on mine

[21:23:57]

Luke_Wolf:

wagnerrp, well this command "$ mysql -u root mythconverg" from the documentation gives me an access denial, same if I try to run as user mythtv, or as the regular user.. and running the terminal as root fails as well..

[21:24:08]

Beirdo:

other than the filldb stuff...

[21:24:14]

sphery:

I just upgraded it to a nice Sketchers net

[21:24:21]

Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

Luke_Wolf: you always (unless your system is really broken) need to provide a password for root access to mysql

[21:25:12]

sphery:

Luke_Wolf: mysql -uroot -p mythconverg

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sphery:

Luke_Wolf: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg

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sphery:

note that those are /database/ users, completely unrelated to system users

[21:25:52]

sphery:

so you can issue the command as any system user you like (with appropriate system rights to execute the program)

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Luke_Wolf:

access denied even with associated passwords.. unless my database passwords are different than my system passwords..

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wagnerrp:

sphery: most systems do not create a root password for mysql

[21:29:27]

wagnerrp:

at least gentoo and freebsd dont

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

fools

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Beirdo:

of course, gentoo == freebsd almost :)

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** Beirdo reburies his head **

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Luke_Wolf:

If the case is that system and database passwords are by default different where should I go looking to find them?

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clever:

Luke_Wolf: one minor problem with mysql, if there is no password at all on the account, dont give -p to the mysql cli client

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clever:

or it will send one when none is expected and error because the pw is wrong

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Luke_Wolf:

I've tried with -p and without -p both give me access denial, I can just enter mysql by using that command however I cannot connect inside to mythconverg because of the same access denials...

[21:41:32]

clever:

you can always reset the root password, google has many results on how to do that

[21:41:42]

clever:

all you need is system root to do it

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blizzard_:

Is there any way of getting mythtv to record the programs so the naming convention goes similar to what the title of the program is?

[21:43:26]

Beirdo:

?

[21:43:38]

Beirdo:

the naming convention on disk?

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blizzard_:

filenames now when I record stuff is like <channum>_<date>.mpg or similar

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's not likely to change

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Beirdo:

there are scripts to make symlinks though

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blizzard_:

I want it to say something like <programtitle>_<date>.mpg

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blizzard_:

similar to what the upnp shows

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Beirdo:

oh well...

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Beirdo:

that's what the scripts are for

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blizzard_:

filesystem browsing doesnt tell what the files are really

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clever:

mythlink.pl would give the same thing

[21:44:46]

blizzard_:

but upnp browsing with the ps3 does

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blizzard_:

okee, will check that out

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blizzard_:

tnx

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sphery:

blizzard_: we can't put program titles/subtitles into the file names because of encoding issues (i.e. some file systems don't support the characters that some users have in their titles/subtitles--think non-English/non-Latin characters), file systems have various restrictions on file name and path lengths (some of which are max file name length of 255 chars and max path length of 256 chars--same file system, there, btw), and a /lot/ of other issues ...

[21:47:00]

sphery:

... like that

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Beirdo:

like : and / in file names :)

[21:47:18]

Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

blizzard_: so, what you /actually/ want is just a "view" of the recordings with useful names: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl

[21:47:46]

blizzard_:

ah ok

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blizzard_:

tnx

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sphery:

blizzard_: and it's even better than renaming the files because the directory with the views won't have all the preview image files, you can have multiple view directories (I have 5) all sorted differently

[21:48:14]

sphery:

and you can use cp or scp or ... to copy the recording using the link name

[21:48:39]

CyberKnet:

wonderful. we all win!

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blizzard_:

yey! =)

[21:48:52]

CyberKnet:

everybody gets a prize!

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Beirdo:

oooh, like little league

[21:49:15]

Beirdo:

even the losers get a trophy

[21:49:18]

Beirdo:

Pfffft

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo: Except here, even the best prize is worse than the "Most Improved" trophy.

[21:49:29]

CyberKnet:

heh

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Beirdo:

the last place team should be given trophies that are a large L

[21:52:34]

Beirdo:

with the text under it saying "Big Loser Award"

[21:52:37]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

stigmatize em young, I say

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drindt:

someone can please tell me how can i delete a cutlist? i made some mistakes with them, and want now deleting it thanks

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** Beirdo sputters **

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Beirdo:

OK, the PC2700 is NOT the fastest that box can handle. It can take PC3200

[22:17:34]

Beirdo:

meh

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Beirdo:

I'll live

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

Mary had a little lamb... still reminds me of 2 Live Crew

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** Beirdo ages himself a bit **

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Beirdo:

omg.

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Beirdo:

hahah

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Beirdo:

there are a lot of nasty versions out there

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blizzard_:

mythlink did the trick just fine =)

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sphery:

j-rod: heh, finally got through the thread... The most interesting part--and one for which no details were given--was http://lists.blu.org/pipermail/discuss/2010-August/036927.html (where he said the person at the IP that deleted everything tried to leave a comment on his blog)... Wonder what/who/... other info he found from it.

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sphery:

blizzard_: cool

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blizzard_:

yep, pretty much exactly what I was looking for

[22:26:33]

blizzard_:

a lil easier to find what you're looking for when doing filesystem access =)

[22:27:03]

blizzard_:

ne way of doing post processing to convert the recordings to divx?

[22:27:21]

blizzard_:

I got the cpu power but I always tend to run out of disk =)

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Beirdo:

one word: nuvexport

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blizzard_:

will that screw the possibility to have mythtv play it again?

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blizzard_:

by taking it out of it

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blizzard_:

it's native filetype/name/etc...

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blizzard_:

oooh, nuvexport seems nice

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blizzard_:

this is like pr0n, makes you sit n giggle ;)

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blizzard_:

yey, that program takes use of the commercial flagging aswell..

[22:31:34]

blizzard_:

as well

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Beirdo:

if you use trunk, I'm pretty sure the version in there will work just fine with current ubuntu (well, medibuntu for some packages) installs

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blizzard_:

running debian stable, packages from debian-multimedia

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Beirdo:

it might be OK :)

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grumpydevil:

question: how can i do lossless export

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grumpydevil:

of a H.264 recording?

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grumpydevil:

while removing commercials

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blizzard_:

oh tricky one

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Beirdo:

you can't

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Beirdo:

next question?

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blizzard_:

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck

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blizzard_:

if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

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blizzard_:

A woodchuck would only chuck as much would as Chuck Norris would allow it to, because the woodchuck shares Chuck's name. Therefore, Chuck must punish it and make it chuck as much wood as Chuck can. So, a woodchuck would chuck as much wood as Chuck could.

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grumpydevil:

why can't i do that lossless export?

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Beirdo:

grumpydevil: mayb YOU can.

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xris:

grumpydevil: because no one has written it into the libs mythtv uses to decode h.264. and mythtv doesn't have an h.264 encoder.

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Beirdo:

but mythtv can't

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grumpydevil:

all HD recordings here are in H.264... thus the wish...

[22:39:13]

grumpydevil:

but no programming skills

[22:39:22]

grumpydevil:

testing skills, yes

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Beirdo:

grumpydevil: it's a fine wish... but currently not supported

[22:40:40]

grumpydevil:

any ideas on when this might be added?

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Beirdo:

not planned at this time, last I heard

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grumpydevil:

i've also tried to find a good way to do it outside of Myth, but so far no luck

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Luke_Wolf:

does mythtv have support for the ATI TV Wonder HD 750? there was no documentation on the 750 and there is support for previous cards so I assumed it would work

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Beirdo:

!url lmgtfy ATI TV Wonder HD 750 MythTV

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MythLogBot:

lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=ATI%20TV%20Wonder%20HD%20750%20MythTV

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iamlindoro:

or more succinctly, mythtv doesn't provide support for tuners, at all

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Beirdo:

and also

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Beirdo:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: how's it goin?

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iamlindoro:

hanging in there, but in and out of the channel today

[22:55:12]

iamlindoro:

(so apologies if I respond slowly)

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Beirdo:

yeah, not a problem

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Luke_Wolf:

closest thing on that is the hd 650, but that's not it..

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Luke_Wolf:

Other thought is there an equivalent to ndiswrapper for tuner drivers?

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iamlindoro:

no

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wagnerrp:

Luke_Wolf: are you asking if your current tuner is supported? or what tuner you should get?

[23:14:19]

Luke_Wolf:

current tuner

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Luke_Wolf:

it's a nice card that works in windows, but I need it to work in linux for this project..

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pembo13:

are there any programs thta can be used to test an MPEG tv card (like a PVR 250) before using MythTV?

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wagnerrp:

'cat'

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: hmm, was thinking more GUIish

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: here was the most fitting channel i could think of

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wagnerrp:

#linuxtv would be better

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pembo13:

did not knw... thanks wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

they maintain most tuner and capture drivers for linux

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** iamlindoro locks all the tickets Beirdo is touching and directs him to the dev list ;) **

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Beirdo:

don't even think about it

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Beirdo:

:)

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iamlindoro:

We probably ought to follow our own rules

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iamlindoro:

We get annoyed when users ping tickets

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skd5aner:

it would be nice if users could easily subscribe and follow tickets some other way

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Beirdo:

we need a better ticketing system

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kormoc:

tickets have RSS feeds in addition to the email feed

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kormoc:

what other ways would you like to see?

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Beirdo:

well, it's hard to subscribe to a specific ticket without jumping through some RSS hoops with trac is it not?

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Beirdo:

I want to see the old tickets fixed or closed :)

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kormoc:

no?

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kormoc:

you browse to the ticket and click the rss link and there you go

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Beirdo:

yeah... most people are more likely to be wanting a specific subscribe by email

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Beirdo:

not that many people do RSS :)

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kormoc:

so subscribe to the email feed?

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kormoc:

I mean, he said he wanted more ways to subscribe to a ticket, I'm wondering what more ways would he want?

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Beirdo:

email feed? You mean the commits mailing list?

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Beirdo:

that's pretty high overhead to follow a particular single ticket :)

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kormoc:

no, add your email to the CC field in the ticket and you get email updates when they get changed

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Beirdo:

aaah

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Beirdo:

gotcha

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Beirdo:

:) Anyways, I'm being intentionally blockheaded

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Beirdo:

sorry

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Beirdo:

anyways, enough mayhem

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Beirdo:

I have a Mariners game to go watch

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