Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, August 2nd, 2010, 00:02 UTC

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nebula:

so i've got fios working with firewire, just losing the video soon after it's synced

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nebula:

on non-encrypted channels

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nebula:

over a motorola qip 7216

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nebula:

getting the error: mpeg2video @ 0xb65bf960]mpeg_decode_postinit() failure, AFD Error: Unknown decoding error, Segmentation fault

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kormoc:

run the frontend with -v playback and pastebin the output?

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nebula:

sure

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nebula:

http://mythtv.pastebin.org/439904

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kormoc:

Nothing stands out as wrong, and I assume the video plays fine in mplayer or friends?

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nebula:

not sure how to play it through vlc yet

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nebula:

it's a raw 1394

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kormoc:

which is just mpeg2

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kormoc:

/var/lib/mythtv/livetv/1504_20100801203336.mpg

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kormoc:

or another one in that directory

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nebula:

[0x97b1c58] main stream error: cannot pre fill buffer

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nebula:

hmm

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nebula:

ah nice.

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nebula:

libdvbpsi error (PSI decoder): TS discontinuity (received 8, expected 6) for PID 0

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nebula:

on the file that represents one of the crashed video feeds

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kormoc:

sounds like the box is just sending bad video :(

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nebula:

doh.

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nebula:

google search suggests "increase your caching"

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nebula:

doubt that is relevant here

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kormoc:

wouldn't see how

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nebula:

kormoc: nah, that was for an http stream

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nebula:

i'm just screwed :P

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grumpydevil:

hmm... running 0.23 seems to make an error to the database

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grumpydevil:

Query was:

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grumpydevil:

INSERT INTO recordmatch (recordid, chanid, starttime, manualid) SELECT record.recordid, program.chanid, program.starttime, IF(search = 5, record.recordid, 0) FROM (record, program INNER JOIN channel ON channel.chanid = program.chanid) , favorites WHERE record.recordid = :NR25RECID AND program.manualid = 0 AND ( program.title LIKE '%blue murder'

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grumpydevil:

AND channel.channum < 10 ) AND (NOT ((record.dupin & 32) AND program.previouslyshown)) AND (NOT ((record.dupin & 64) AND program.generic > 0)) AND (NOT ((record.dupin & 128) AND (program.previouslyshown OR program.first = 0))) AND channel.visible = 1 AND ((record.type = 4 OR record.type = 6 OR record.type = 9 OR record.type = 10) OR ((record.station = channel.callsign) AND ((record.type = 3)

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grumpydevil:

OR ((TIME_TO_SEC(record.starttime) = TIME_TO_SEC(program.starttime)) AND ((record.type = 2) OR ((DAYOFWEEK(record.startdate) = DAYOFWEEK(program.starttime) AND ((record.type = 5) OR ((TO_DAYS(record.startdate) = TO_DAYS(program.starttime)) AND (record.type <> 0) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ))

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grumpydevil:

Bindings were:

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grumpydevil:

:NR25RECID=5300

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nebula:

holy crap dude pastebin, my eyes

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grumpydevil:

Driver error was [2/1064]:

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grumpydevil:

QMYSQL: Unable to execute query

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grumpydevil:

Database error was:

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grumpydevil:

You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ':NR25RECID AND program.manualid = 0 AND ( program.title LIKE '%blue murder'

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grumpydevil:

AND' at line 1

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grumpydevil:

any comments?

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Twiggy2cents:

hey could someone help me write a simple script in linux real quick. I dont understand the guides I'm following. (privately of course)

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Beirdo:

!trout grumpydevil pastebin

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** MythLogBot slaps grumpydevil with a pastebin trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

don't think anyone's gonna read that spew in channel, nor should they

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grumpydevil:

it's 03:21 and i need to be awake again at 09:00 latest..

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Beirdo:

good for you, that doesn't mean you should paste into IRC with that kinda spew

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grumpydevil:

not good for me... and it's myth that keeps me awake

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grumpydevil:

does frontend delete table favorites during upgrade?

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grumpydevil:

that table is missing atm

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kormoc:

we migrated to a different system of storing channel favorites

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grumpydevil:

then why is the 0.23 scheduler still trying to use that table?

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iamlindoro:

Your problem is a damaged DB, not MythTV

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grumpydevil:

Table 'mythconverg.favorites' doesn't exist

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iamlindoro:

Fix your broken MySQL/DB

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grumpydevil:

that is after an upgrade...

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kormoc:

grep favorites scheduler.cpp gives 0 results

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grumpydevil:

or rather, while frontend is still upgrading.. backend did it's upgrading

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nebula:

kormoc: changed the cpu setting on video output and it works now

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nebula:

cpu--

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kormoc:

nice

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kormoc:

there is no favorites table anymore and if your scheduler is using it, it hasn't been updated yet

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kormoc:

db version 1234 is the one that removed it

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grumpydevil:

strange... as i did an OS install, and then a compile of 0.23, after a fresh svn co

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Twiggy2cents:

hey does anybody know why both ubuntu software center and synaptic only show mythtv 0.22.1. My mythbuntu machine is running 23 and my other ubuntu box was running 23. I have updated the repos and it still says 22

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Beirdo:

#mythbuntu

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Twiggy2cents:

no. Ubuntu mythtv issues... You guys are so uppity

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Twiggy2cents:

I am not running the latest mythtv version and am not sure why

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** kormoc sighs **

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Twiggy2cents:

I thought this was the channel for mythtv help

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kormoc:

and you don't think the channel with the guys who setup those sources wouldn't be better to ask then a pile of random distro users?

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kormoc:

Twiggy2cents, yes, and #mythbuntu is a channel for myth on ubuntu

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Twiggy2cents:

kormoc, that woudl be for a disto of ubuntu based around mythtv not ubuntu with mythtv

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kormoc:

Twiggy2cents, it's the same thing

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kormoc:

but hey, what do I know I guess

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Beirdo:

Twiggy2cents: it's for both, as the packages you want are created by them

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dj_segfault:

Please help. I'm in panic mode. A few days ago I was running out of hard drive space and mythtv deleted about 850 recordings! I had a lot of old ones, and there were still the more recent ones left. But today I check on the system, and ALL my recordings are gone, as well as all much schedules! The inputs are set up right, so it's not that. So (1) what could have happened, and (2) which tables must I restore

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oobe:

you cant restore individual tables very easily

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oobe:

your better off dumping a whole database restoration

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oobe:

also have you checked the recordings are physically there

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dj_segfault:

The recordings are all frackin gone. I have no .mpg files. It further taunted me by leaving some .png files behind

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dj_segfault:

If I restore all tables it will think it has those recordings.

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dj_segfault:

I've never had luck figuring out which of the record* tables do what. Which table would i have to wipe so it knows it has no current recordings, but keep track of what was recorded in the past?

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dj_segfault:

I'm deeply concerned why it deleted all my recordings. I asked here last night about how to control auto expire, which is clearly overzealous, but I also want to get my system working again.

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grumpydevil:

hrm... filemarkup update still running.. i've got about 180 in mythvideo, and >900 recordings..

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grumpydevil:

running for more then 5 quarters of an hour now

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dj_segfault:

Anyone know which table stores current recordings?

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iamlindoro:

recorded

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dj_segfault:

Thank you.

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kormoc:

dj_segfault, you'll want to use the instructions in the wiki rather then attempting to do it yourself

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dj_segfault:

kormoc: Please explain

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kormoc:

don't truncate tables, use the scripts

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dj_segfault:

kormoc: Which scripts are you talking about? Sorry, never did this before.

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kormoc:

dj_segfault, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . t_on_disk.3F

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kormoc:

hrm, perhaps the script is gone

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dj_segfault:

kormoc: I see there are several related tables so I see the value in the script. Doing it through the UI is not an option for hundreds of recordings though ;) Thanks. I will add looking for the scripts to my to do list. I have an hour and a half left before my wife yells at me to go to bed though.

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kormoc:

you might be able to add them all to a playlist and delete the playlist with rerecord

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dj_segfault:

Hmm. OK I'll think about that option. Thanks

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dj_segfault:

Side question: mythvideo is ONLY for videos, not recordings, right?

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kormoc:

they're separate sections of the database, yes

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mzb:

if I run mythshutdown -unlock is the setting persistent, or do I need to rc.local that every time the slave backend starts?

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dj_segfault:

kormoc: M'kay. looking for those scripts... Yup. Found it and it's been deprecated. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth.find_orphans.pl

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Wicked:

hello all. im trying to use irexec to launch some applications for me when i press a button on my remote...which i have working...but the thing is...irexec will not stay running. ill start it with "irexec -d" so it runs in daemon mode in the background..and im able to start my application...but if i close the application then try to start it at a later time...irexec is not running anymore.

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tank-man:

you mean you closed the gui terminal window?

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dj_segfault:

Wicked: I don't know about irexec but maybe you need to put a & after the command to have it launch in a separate process in the background?

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Wicked:

hmm

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Wicked:

let me check to se if the script im having irexec execute does that

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Wicked:

it doesnt.

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Wicked:

but isnt irexexs job to just sit and listen in the background for events?

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Wicked:

i didnt think i needed to add a & to the way i start the program(not irexec(

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kormoc:

& programs only run until their controlling shell exits

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kormoc:

your distro doesn't provide a init.d script for irexec?

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Wicked:

to be honest im not sure. let me check

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Wicked:

i dont see one one...im using arch linux

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Beirdo:

this code will kill me yet :)

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Beirdo:

just refactored and recoded a big part of this patch...

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Beirdo:

and I have to do it again.

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Beirdo:

I need a beer!

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Beirdo:

so they had it orignally handing back a list (well, QMap) of commercial end flags

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dj_segfault:

komoc: On a lark, I tried restoring JUST the "record" table and did mythfilldatabase. It seems to be working now but no clue how it happened.

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Beirdo:

I changed it to return both begin and end... but now I realize, what I want is per final track... begin, end... in one structure

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Beirdo:

so, off romping through code AGAIN

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** dj_segfault sends Beirdo a Guiness **

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Beirdo:

heh, thanks

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Beirdo:

and my HDPVR decided to take a vacation

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** Beirdo power-cycles it... **

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[R]:

Beirdo: did you see the thing someone posted on the ml the other day about a serial controlled relay?

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

I've been considering making one myself

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[R]:

7/30 11:50 am to users

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dj_segfault:

Beirdo: Trade you... MythTV deleted all of my recordings and all of my schedules and I have no idea why. Recovered the schedule, but..

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[R]:

http://cgi.ebay.com/WTI-REMOTE-POWER-BAR-RPB- . . . em53e16c8228

[04:10:08]

[R]:

http://cgi.ebay.com/WTI-REMOTE-POWER-SWITCH-R . . . em53e254404c

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[R]:

i've used that second one at my work

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Beirdo:

not bad

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Beirdo:

that plus a USB->serial might even fill kormoc's needs :)

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[R]:

http://www.buy.com/prod/hauppauge-hd-pvr-1212 . . . 8088259.html

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[R]:

FFS

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[R]:

$170

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Beirdo:

and?

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[R]:

tahts pretty good

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Beirdo:

almost ready to test this mess :)

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Beirdo:

just gotta wait for it to finish compiling... and then for my backend to stop recording

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Beirdo:

5: unchanged +181/-146 mythtv/programs/mythbackend/upnpcdstv.cpp

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Beirdo:

bleh

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Beirdo:

yawn

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dj_segfault:

Hi. I tried creating another recording profile to fool around with different quality levels, but it's not showing up as an option when editing a recording schedule. Does it have to be enabled somehow?

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sphery:

dj_segfault: custom recording profile and transcoding profiles aren't usable at this point

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dj_segfault:

oh, thanks.

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sphery:

dj_segfault: you can only use the standard ones--Default, LiveTV, High Quality, Low Quality

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Beirdo:

whell, here goes nothin

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Beirdo:

finally time to try this commskip over UPnP stuff again

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sphery:

dj_segfault: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8588 + http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5734

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Beirdo:

YAY

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Beirdo:

I broke it

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

now the "All Recordings" gives nothing

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Beirdo:

but Commercial Skip does

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Beirdo:

I think I removed something I shoudn't have

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Beirdo:

like the magic "work" bit

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sphery:

MythTV deleted all 850 of my recordings and all my recording schedules!!!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

(summary of post on the -users list)

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Beirdo:

wonder what the person did

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sphery:

I vote open MythWeb

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sphery:

and someone just taught him a lesson

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Beirdo:

hahahah

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Beirdo:

omg

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's high on the liklihood list

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Beirdo:

the good thing: my changes to split the tracks up... seems to have worked

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sphery:

wonder how it will get written up on his blog

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Beirdo:

the bad thing: it no longer will list the recordings.

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Beirdo:

soooo, back to the code

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sphery:

heh, 1 step forward, ...

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

no kidding

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Beirdo:

and my H.264 frame rate parsing is working for everything but 1080i so far

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Beirdo:

so I made it so if the reported frame rate is ridiculous, use 29.97

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Beirdo:

for now

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sphery:

OK, so don't ask me how I know, but he does have MythWeb open on the 'net

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

no comment?

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sphery:

heh, well, I wasn't the one who deleted stuff

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sphery:

just need to make that clear in case anyone reads this

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Beirdo:

well, found THAT bug fast

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Beirdo:

now I wait 30min for a recording to finish to test it

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Beirdo:

then I get to make it work the way it's supposed to

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Beirdo:

OK, where is everyone? It's like people have a life or something

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Hilikus:

i can't find the setting to start flagging when the recording starts. can someone tell me where to find it

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Beirdo:

OK, what I fixed... is fixed. :)

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Beirdo:

now to see why a) it won't browse after a recording and b) why it's not using the playlist!

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hot_wheelz:

anyone here running mythbuntu?

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[R]:

mythbuntu? whats that?

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hot_wheelz:

[R] a livecd version mythtv based on ubuntu

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[R]:

really? AWESOME

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[R]:

now do you have an actual question?

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Beirdo:

[R] is breaking the sarcasm-meter

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hot_wheelz:

[R] i know

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hot_wheelz:

Hi,

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hot_wheelz:

How does someone attach a nick to the logs that mythbuntu log grabber generates and then posts to mythbuntu.pastebin.com

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hot_wheelz:

Just so you can id them easily rather than being Anonymous all the time?

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hot_wheelz:

Thanks.

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Beirdo:

ask the mythbuntu people in #mythbuntu

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Beirdo:

that's not mythtv-related at all :)

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hot_wheelz:

tried no response

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Beirdo:

then have patience

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hot_wheelz:

i ask because i have some logs i want to submit to fix a couple of issues

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hot_wheelz:

+Beirdo i have tried at diffent times and still nothing

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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hot_wheelz:

i guess i'll continue waiting then and hope i can find an answer

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mzb:

has anyone had success compiling mythtv with icecc?

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Beirdo:

why would anyone bother?

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mzb:

(or any other distributed compiling system that can handle non-native architectures)

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Beirdo:

oh, like gcc with distcc?

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mzb:

yes

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Beirdo:

distcc is supported

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mzb:

I'm aware of that, but 32bit and 64bit don't combine

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Beirdo:

sure they do, with work

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mzb:

any suggestions/links?

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Beirdo:

not off-hand, but I know I got it working... 6 years ago

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Beirdo:

or was it 5

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mzb:

ok, thanks, I'll google

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Beirdo:

it wasn't EASY, but there were howtos, etc out there

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mzb:

it'd be nice to get it going with icecc ... but doesn't look like I'm getting far

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mzb:

icecc distributes the compiler environment too (or something like that)

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Beirdo:

ugh, OK, THAT code change didn't work

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

type

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Beirdo:

typo rather

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Big_D_271:

anyone using a pvr 350 with mythbuntu? I can't seem to get lirc to work with it

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

"Not Supported File Format"

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Beirdo:

need to see what it actually sent, I think

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grumpydevil:

hmm... mythtv-setup is giving me: programmer error, failed to handle tune complete

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grumpydevil:

2010-08–02 11:18:07.814 DTVMux, Error: Invalid S2 modulation system para

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grumpydevil:

2010-08–02 11:18:09.782 ChScan, Error: Failed to handle tune complete.

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grumpydevil:

i've already removed all DVB-S tuners and defined them again

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grumpydevil:

do i need to drop all channels? That would cause a massive amount of work :(

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highzeth:

I had to start with a clean source when I upgraded my systems to dvb-s2, rescanning current sources didnt init s2

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grumpydevil:

that is the problem i see, yes.. :(

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highzeth:

yeah, its not fun to start fresh with lotsa satellite sources, but atleast its a "one time" job

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rek:

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sphery:

kormoc: Did you see the -users list post where the guy lost all his recordings and recording rules? Seems to be an open MythWeb issue. He never said which MythWeb, but I could ask. Anyway, I didn't know if that's why we haven't gotten any questions about lockdown--because the lockdown code doesn't trigger?

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sphery:

kormoc: thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/445349#445349

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sphery:

I will note that his MythWeb was visible to Google, so it does seem to have been scraped

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kormoc:

hrm

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sphery:

His previous post (in Feb) said, "I'm on ubuntu 9.10 and mythtv 0.22.0+patches" , so he's definitely not 0.21-fixes

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sphery:

did the lockdown code go in before 0.22?

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kormoc:

it did, but the google cache I see is of broken pages, do you see valid google caches?

[17:14:38]

sphery:

it was broken when I looked

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sphery:

I didn't explore too deeply, though--was afraid he might think I was the destroyer

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kormoc:

yeah, given the current google cache is broken as well, I'd say it's not the lockdown code being broken, it's his entire install

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sphery:

ah, that makes sense

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sphery:

so it was broken enough that the lockdown didn't trigger

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sphery:

but may have had links that worked--allowing delete, etc?

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sphery:

I'm still waiting anxiously for the first "lock-down event"

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sphery:

it will be one for the record books!

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kormoc:

the current setup wouldn't allow deletes

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kormoc:

it can't load channels/program info to figure out how to delete it

[17:19:33]

kormoc:

but it's possible previously it was less broken

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sphery:

then again, it's possible some miscreant was the actual destroyer

[17:22:11]

kormoc:

indeed

[17:22:19]

sphery:

and the google cache was just how they found it

[17:22:28]

kormoc:

or a search engine that didn't announce itself as a search engine

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sphery:

that's possible, too

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sphery:

Beirdo: thanks for noticing the bad topic on list

[17:26:07]

sphery:

I had just deleted it without reading

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kormoc:

Subject: "Admins/Mods DELETE THIS WITHOUT READING!!11!!1!!" Body: "Now that the mods are gone, let's talk about TORRENTS!!!!!" ?

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Beirdo:

sphery: no problemo

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** Beirdo is happy... #6611 and #6719 are going to be committed. **

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Beirdo:

or at least the patches from them :)

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sphery:

kormoc: yeah, I just did as it requested

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sphery:

good thing Beirdo is a rebel

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Beirdo:

feel free to delete my reply too

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

it will have gone out to subscribers, we don't need it archived

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I've discovered MythTV is the only thing that writes ID3 tags I have that handles compilation album metadata the way I want it to...to display correctly in MythTV.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

or more specifically, MythMusic

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skd5aner:

That would tell me that MythMusic/tagging-within-myth is deficient

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skd5aner:

not superior

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sid3windr:

I don't think he really said it was superior

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skd5aner:

I know

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sid3windr:

but I was wondering indeed which way to spin that =)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm saying that I can't find a good tagger that handles compilations the way MythMusic interprets them. EasyTag, which is fairly popular, refuses on some purist ID3 basis.

[18:32:57]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I have a lot of compilation albums. So, MythMusic is the best thing, because then it tags it the way MythMusic interprets it...being the same program

[18:33:09]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I just wish I could find something to bulk retag that way

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skd5aner:

Good for EasyTag... any player (including Myth*) should honor the ID3 standards

[18:33:52]

skd5aner:

That being said, I prefer Picard Tagger (MusicBrainz) – but to each their own.

[18:33:53]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, I agree. But the standards don't deal well with compilations at all.

[18:34:10]

skd5aner:

I don't recall if Myth reads the compilation data the same via Picard's tags or not

[18:34:17]

skd5aner:

probably not

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Beirdo:

don't listen to compilations... all fixed :)

[18:34:30]

skd5aner:

heh

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: I think ID3v2.4 does

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, I'm going to have to check

[18:35:23]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

But, either way, I need to set the Album Artist and Compilation tags, and MythMusic does that

[18:35:28]

skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: also, MythMusic is on the block for a re-write by the devs, so I would expect this to get addressed in the future

[18:35:45]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, should I worry about all this work being for naught?

[18:36:01]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Picard does set things correctly too, but it doesn't recognize a bunch of my stuff

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: to me, the most important thing is the accuracy of the tags, and I can't find a better, more accurate/consistant source than MusicBrainz – IMHO

[18:36:13]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

So I have to work the tags on anything it does recognize manually.

[18:36:25]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, it works for a lot of my stuff.

[18:36:46]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

But it didn't recognize about 25% of a 6 volume, 4 CD per volume set.

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: yea, you mean by identifying the fingerprint of the song and then aligning it to the correct album/track?

[18:37:02]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

It didn't recognize the album at all

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: Is it in the MB DB?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I have some obscure stuff.

[18:37:19]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

No.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Apparently not

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm not blaming MusicBrainz.

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: have you checked? Might be asking the obvious

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Your database is only as good as the people contributing to it

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: yup, exactly – if it's not there, you can add it :)

[18:38:00]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I know.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

But that still goes back to me manually adjusting the tags

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skd5aner:

So that the next GadgetWisdomGuru that comes around gets it ;)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm also still annoyed at some guy who tagged the Beatles as Genre Data.

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skd5aner:

weird?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I've mentioned that before as my perfect example of how other people's opinions on certain subjective matters, e.g. what genre music is, have made it hard to find stuff.

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skd5aner:

Genre isn't handled at all my MB

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skd5aner:

s/my/by

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skd5aner:

because it is too subjective... if you want Genre data, you have to go to another source... I use last.fm tags

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skd5aner:

and a whitelist/blacklist

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skd5aner:

and do major (1) and minor (5) genres

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm just setting those myself.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

This is part of a major effort I've been putting off for 2 years now

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm the audience, so I have to be able to find stuff.

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skd5aner:

the stupidest thing, imho, that MB started doing is allowing "ratings"... why the heck should a music metadata db have ratings?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

What is odd is how long it takes to write metadata to the library and file in Mythmusic

[18:41:43]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

It seems oddly longer than I would expect and I'm not sure why

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: heh, yea... it took me a few years to tag (and ultimately re-tag) my library

[18:42:09]

skd5aner:

Just got done with the last round 5 months ago, which I started back in 2007

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Well, 2 years ago I did my DVD collection. Last year I did my physical book collection, this year is music.

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skd5aner:

did maybe 15 artists at a time

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Once the system is organized, adding to it is much easier.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Easytag allowed me to bulk regenre and bulk rename albums. It's just the compilations that require more work.

[18:42:48]

skd5aner:

Now my entire library is properly tagged, consistent, file name is correct, etc

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

then there is the stuff I hand-encoded.

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skd5aner:

Yea, the "non-album" stuff can be a pain

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I dumped a bunch of old tapes to OGG and that's all over the place.

[18:43:37]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I also moved the Audiobooks out of MythMusic, because it doesn't handle them well.

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skd5aner:

My movie collection is fairly a mess, although I just deleted all the IMDB data and restarted with TMDB for the entire collection

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I mention these things sometimes not because I need help per se, but hearing how other people do things gives me ideas on how to do it.

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skd5aner:

yea, I hear ya...

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skd5aner:

like I said, personally MB works for me in 98% of my cases

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skd5aner:

and I like it

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skd5aner:

and I just expect Myth to eventually "do it right"

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skd5aner:

(by that I mean, reading the tags correctly and stop leveraging the DB for music metadata)

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skd5aner:

I do use EasyTag for some manual stuff – always need a way to dive into individual stuff from time to time

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skd5aner:

good editor for that stuff

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skd5aner:

oops, sorry "MP3Tag"

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skd5aner:

that's the editor I use

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skd5aner:

I think I've tried easytag before too

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'll have to check MP3Tag

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Is it Linux-based?

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skd5aner:

I believe it's only windows based

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skd5aner:

http://www.mp3tag.de/en/index.html

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Darn

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

curse me and my giving up of windows.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Oh, well.

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skd5aner:

;)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'll get it done

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

At least I can listen to some classic stuff while I tag it

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I just have to stop getting free albums from Amazon MP#

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I've never even listened to I Love the 70s and 80s...(1770–80)

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skd5aner:

I love the 1770's?

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skd5aner:

wow... that's... ugh, "eclectic"

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

It was free one day

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I've never listened to it

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I also downloaded a free Irish Karaoke Sampler.

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skd5aner:

You're more of a 1790's kind of guy

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Actually, the compilation that is giving me the most trouble is the 6 Volume Encyclopedia of DooWop collection

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skd5aner:

is it in freedb?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

It is. But it tagged some of the AlbumArtist tags with Various Artists, some with Unknown Artist....

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skd5aner:

you can import (and then fix if necessary) stuff in freedb directly into musicbrainz

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I am fixing it, slowly.

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skd5aner:

instead of entering it all manually

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm not entering it all manually

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

What I'm doing is using the MythMusic interface to identify files out of the order I want, then editing them in Easytag and Picard, then doing any spot corrections back in MythMusic after rescans

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skd5aner:

How do you look at compilations in MythMusic to begin with?

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skd5aner:

I've always wondered, but never cared enough to really fuss with anything within mythmusic beyond browsing by artist?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, I've set the tree to browse GENRE/ARTIST/ALBUM/SONG

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

So I can easily see what is being indexed incorrectly, make a note of it, and fix it

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Since my goal is for it to make sense in MythMusic, it is key to do it that way

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skd5aner:

I see

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I also scaled down the Genre list.

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skd5aner:

I only use genre's almost as a novelty

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

It's a way to break up artists into easier to swallow bits.

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skd5aner:

yea

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

So, I have Oldies as a Genre.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

There's a bunch of stuff in there.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

If it gets too unwieldy, I can subdivide it into types of oldies.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

But by doing that, I eliminated Pop and Rock

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I can never figure out what Pop is

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kormoc:

Pop is just popular music

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kormoc:

Although, what would you set Primus as is beyond me

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kormoc:

or Fantomas

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Pop is just so subjective

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I eliminated it as a term

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kormoc:

What do you call Britney Spears then?

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Beirdo:

*whore*

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Beirdo:

oh wait, turn that mental filter back on

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Beirdo:

Primus is... Primus.

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kormoc:

Primus/Primus/Primus/ eh? :P

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I don't.

[19:26:02]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

She isn't in my collection

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

But what Popular Music is is subjective

[19:30:53]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Using Oldies or Salsa(I don't have any Salsa) or such is much more specific.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Does anyone know what the plans are, if any, in regards to the MythMusic rewrite and metadata?

[19:32:41]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I know the interface is on the rewrite list. But not how that might change any metadata issues.

[19:32:57]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

There's that guy who keeps writing the movie/tv metadata grabbing scripts.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Whose name escapes me

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sphery:

GadgetWisdomGuru: must be said: http://www.reallifecomics.com/archive/100625.html

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Sphery, point taken

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

That's why my original point was: It has to make sense to me, as I'm the audience reading the metadata.

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sphery:

yeah, I wasn't disagreeing with you

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sphery:

I was actually agreeing that definitions change over time

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sphery:

(i.e. look at how country has changed over the years)

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sphery:

and it seems mr reallifecomics also agrees :)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Yes

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Old country I thought was called Folk.

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wagnerrp:

crap... i go away for the weekend, and theres 51 commit logs to read through

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Wagnerrp, did you have fun, at least.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, had trouble sleeping

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wagnerrp:

not used to a noisy AC in the same room as me

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Where did you go, may I ask?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Somewhere fun? Despite AC issues.

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wagnerrp:

lake cumberland

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

KY?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Had to look it up.

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Beirdo:

no KY in this channel... pervs :)

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wagnerrp:

it goes great on sandwiches, with peanut butter

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Beirdo:

eww :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

Woohoo. MythMusic is getting some love

[20:18:51]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Beirdo, how so?

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Beirdo:

go read the commits...

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I will

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Beirdo:

not sure what all paulh has on his plate, but I'm glad someone's looking at it again

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Beirdo, perfect timing. Although I don't run bleeding

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

it will be 0.24 soon enough, I'm sure

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Beirdo:

tab completion on a REMOTE file over scp?!

[20:36:33]

wagnerrp:

sure, if youve got public key login set up

[20:37:09]

Beirdo:

I do, I just never expected THAT to work :)

[20:38:29]

wagnerrp:

man, i discovered that one like six years ago

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** sid3windr too – saw someone else using it :) **

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Beirdo:

well, whatever, still kinda surprised me

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I'm so used to mashing that tab key

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Beirdo:

oooh Portuguese spam.

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wagnerrp:

eh?

[20:50:59]

Beirdo:

just got some spam in my gmail... from Brazil, in Portuguese

[20:51:02]

Beirdo:

idiots.

[20:51:10]

Beirdo:

at least spam me in English

[20:52:16]

skd5aner:

Kormoc: Primus IS an actual ID3 extended genre in IDv1 – #108

[20:52:33]

skd5aner:

http://www.multimediasoft.com/amp3dj/help/ind . . . j_00003e.htm

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wagnerrp:

i used to get all sorts of russian spam

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wagnerrp:

why someone thought i knew russian, ill never know

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skd5aner:

I thought it was hilarious when I was taking a coding course, we had to write a "napster" clone (circa 2001) – so we had to be able to read/write ID3 tags, and I remember seeing "Primus" and "Christian Gangsta Rap" (sic)

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skd5aner:

obvious, very important genre tags to use on a regular basis

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skd5aner:

but, that was prior to ID3v2, where it became free-form

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skd5aner:

I wish I was in a band who's music was so original it could warrant a genre named directly after the band ;)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, are you a musician/

[21:09:54]

skd5aner:

on my own time

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Beirdo:

beans don't count

[21:10:12]

skd5aner:

heh

[21:10:24]

skd5aner:

My dad would always say he could "play the radio"

[21:10:27]

skd5aner:

har har har

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sphery:

Beirdo: what's a ## channel?

[21:11:31]

Beirdo:

a freenode-ism

[21:11:48]

sphery:

ok, but what's it mean according to their policy?

[21:11:57]

Beirdo:

unofficial (i.e. non-registered) talk about a project

[21:12:18]

wagnerrp:

anything non-registered?

[21:12:20]

Beirdo:

if you're not registered, the general idea is you aren't supposed to be able to take "official" channels

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wagnerrp:

i thought it was for channels run by someone other than the group it was named after

[21:12:35]

Beirdo:

but we have been here since well before that policy started

[21:12:40]

sphery:

so registered meaning the project is registered with freenode?

[21:12:43]

Beirdo:

yeah

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sphery:

interesting

[21:12:55]

Beirdo:

that was my understanding

[21:13:07]

Beirdo:

now, I could just be on crack

[21:13:27]

skd5aner:

+1 vote for the latter

[21:13:42]

sphery:

he'll get much less dev done that way

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Beirdo:

hahaha

[21:14:20]

wagnerrp:

no, hell get much more done, but it will lack all coherency

[21:14:23]

sphery:

and the UPnP playback will probably look like 2001...

[21:14:33]

sphery:

(was that the one that's an acid trip?)

[21:14:45]

skd5aner:

Go with Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

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Beirdo:

ummm, it kinda already does :)

[21:15:28]

Beirdo:

it's a hodge-podge

[21:15:29]

sphery:

I meant, specifically, 2001 A Space Odyssey

[21:15:36]

Beirdo:

crazy CRAZY protocol

[21:15:44]

Beirdo:

ah... Don't do that, Dave.

[21:15:47]

sphery:

heh

[21:16:07]

wagnerrp:

sphery: the one on acid had no inter-connectivity...

[21:16:22]

Beirdo:

Hmm, there's a feature request for use of HAL for photo access to cameras

[21:16:25]

Beirdo:

how 2001 of them

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

caffeine and other stimulants resulted in a lack of sensible pattern

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cleith:

Hello all

[21:17:06]

Beirdo:

mmm, caffeine

[21:17:34]

cleith:

Anybody know how to remove all program guide info from the database and reload?

[21:18:02]

wagnerrp:

'drop database mythconverg;', and 'mysql << database_backup.sql'

[21:18:03]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

why remove it?

[21:18:12]

cleith:

My cable provider changed all their channels around and now myth is out of sync

[21:18:20]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Why not just mythfilldatabase --refresh-all --refresh-today?

[21:18:46]

Beirdo:

pay-bill --when-hell-freezes-over

[21:19:02]

skd5aner:

Well...

[21:19:04]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Beirdo, how about drop-cable --now?

[21:19:10]

skd5aner:

I think sphery has the best advice in that scenario...

[21:19:20]

sphery:

yeah, drop cable

[21:19:24]

skd5aner:

:P

[21:19:26]

sphery:

OTA ftw!

[21:19:33]

Beirdo:

get-directv-referral-code --from=Beirdo

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Beirdo:

hehe

[21:19:37]

skd5aner:

I meant, delete sources, and channels, re-add, etc

[21:19:43]

cleith:

I'll give it a try... should the backend be running?

[21:19:55]

sphery:

cleith: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 will definitely fix it without leaving any garbage

[21:20:01]

sphery:

specifically the video sources portion

[21:20:03]

skd5aner:

there it is

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

If the people at the cable company raise their monthly rate again, I already have OTA and cable, I'll give the $9 a month to Netflix.

[21:20:15]

skd5aner:

now was that so hard sphery?

[21:20:37]

skd5aner:

I mean, I know you have a macro key assigned to sending those exact 2 lines

[21:20:45]

sphery:

sorry... I took the opportunity to voice my political agenda.

[21:20:51]

sphery:

(and agree with GadgetWisdomGuru )

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

every year or two, I dump my entire database, except the watch and schedule data.

[21:21:09]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Clears out the deprecated stuff.

[21:21:20]

skd5aner:

sphery: the commissar will not be pleased to find that out

[21:21:26]

sphery:

I dropped cable because of their lack of concern for customers, so now I just have to convince 270 million of my closest friends to do the same

[21:21:48]

cleith:

OK, reading, thanx

[21:21:53]

sphery:

then we can /finally/ fix the DRM problems in our system

[21:22:25]

sphery:

(but as long as people keep paying cable co's for content they aren't allowed to access except with cable STBs...)

[21:22:54]

sphery:

GadgetWisdomGuru: there's no benefit do a partial restore from a speed or cleanliness perspective

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sphery:

it's just an exercise in futility

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** Beirdo eyes the soapbox under sphery's feet... **

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sphery:

heh

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

In reality, I don't pay the full cable bill

[21:23:14]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I split it

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

That saves me a bi.

[21:23:28]

Beirdo:

I don't pay the cable bill at all.

[21:23:30]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

But even I'm getting annoyed.

[21:23:35]

skd5aner:

he seems to be ordering supplies of soapboxes in greater quantities recently – apparently, enough to go around ;)

[21:23:40]

Beirdo:

I pay the satellite bill :)

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sphery:

GadgetWisdomGuru: I'm assuming you mean split it with your in-house mates, but if not, we don't want to know about any ToS violations.

[21:23:46]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Beirdo, same difference.

[21:23:53]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Sphery, yes. I share a residence.

[21:24:01]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Although I have my own space.

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Beirdo:

no comment

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I don't believe in violating ToS, even if the company believes in violating fair use.

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wagnerrp:

his whole neighborhood is a 'shared residence', 'connected' by the 'internet tubes'

[21:24:55]

Beirdo:

he's a cyber-citizen? :)

[21:25:04]

skd5aner:

#mythtv-piracy is where to discuss all that

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skd5aner:

make sure you guys register that one, it'll be popular!

[21:25:16]

Beirdo:

heh, and that's not on this network.

[21:25:24]

Beirdo:

it's on efnet, no doubt

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sphery:

heh, if that gets used, we'll definitely have our PoC shut it down

[21:25:47]

Beirdo:

we could set it up as a honeypot for retards :)

[21:25:51]

skd5aner:

lol

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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skd5aner:

very funny

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I just hate playing games with TWC

[21:26:14]

skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: AMEN!

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sphery:

hmm... everyone in here is cloaked to RIAA or MPAA... what's that mean?

[21:26:24]

cleith:

Anybody ever noticed that mythfrontend stops responding to key presses when playing tv/videos? Is this a known issue (I'm using latest rpm packages from rpmfusion, 0.23–5)?

[21:26:25]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:26:28]

Beirdo:

and microsoft :)

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sphery:

Beirdo: no, MS is smart enough to hide behind a different name--BSA

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skd5aner:

cleith: in older versions I had a similiar problem with a QT focus issue, but shouldn't be an issue now

[21:27:06]

Beirdo:

I noticed my TV not responding to the remote control last night

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sphery:

MS, putting the BS in BSA though excessive funding for 30 years...

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Beirdo:

stupid decoding of 1080i H.264 seemed to hose the processor just enough it ignored the remote

[21:27:44]

cleith:

skd5aner: hmmm... how old? Nothing recently?

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skd5aner:

cleith: free .23

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, fellow Time Warner customer?

[21:28:06]

skd5aner:

s/free/pre

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sphery:

(not that I support software piracy, but the BSA is a FUD organization that doesn't help the situation)

[21:28:18]

Beirdo:

free Willy while yer at it

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: Hi, I'm skd5aner, and I'm a Time Warner Customer customer

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cleith:

skd5aner: OK, thanks. This is definitely recently (post 0.23)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Hi, Skd5aner.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

What's the next step in Cableaholics Anonymous?

[21:29:20]

** skd5aner sits back down to listen to his TWC support group **

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sid3windr:

TWCA? :p

[21:29:28]

sphery:

cleith: how about pastebin ing the output of mythbackend --versoin

[21:29:33]

sphery:

er, mythbackend --version

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

TWC took away unencrypted TNTHD

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Beirdo:

need... Animaniacs!

[21:29:56]

skd5aner:

never had it here... on QAM?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Yes, QAM

[21:30:27]

skd5aner:

yea... I've never had anything beyond the required stuff unencrypted on QAM... oh, and firewire NEVER worked

[21:31:08]

skd5aner:

one of my HD-5000 cards gave out recently, so I'm glad I just ordered a second HDHR :D

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skd5aner:

Can the 2 tuners on the HDHR leverage different sources? I believe they can correct?

[21:32:06]

skd5aner:

not that it matters, but I would assume you could do QAM on 1 and ATSC on the other?

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cleith:

sphery: Just pasted under the name "Chris" (still not sure how to use pastebin)

[21:33:28]

sphery:

it should give you a link, just paste the link here

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, they can.

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cleith:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/yZkbG2Py

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cleith:

that work?

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sphery:

thx

[21:34:38]

sphery:

yep

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

this could be useful

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Beirdo:

perl module: WWW::Pastebin::PastebinCom::Create

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Beirdo:

kormoc: ^^

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sphery:

cleith: and you have 0.23-fixes r25150, which is about 6 weeks (and, maybe 30 bug fixes) old... If there's a newer build, it might be worth updating

[21:36:58]

Beirdo:

for your nice little db debug scripts, you could make it automatically (or with confirmation, whatever) punt the output to a pastebin?

[21:37:28]

kormoc:

Beirdo, perhaps

[21:37:52]

Beirdo:

and then punt YOU the URL :)

[21:37:53]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:38:06]

Beirdo:

or something

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cleith:

sphery: OK, I've been lazy lately and just waiting for the rpms. Doesn't seem like anybody else is experiencing the same prob though.

[21:39:06]

sphery:

oh, if there aren't newer rpms, then don't update, yet

[21:39:25]

sphery:

but, yeah, it doesn't sound familiar, so I'm guessing it's something beyond myth causing issues

[21:39:26]

Beirdo:

same guy did a ::Retrieve too

[21:39:50]

Beirdo:

which could be handy for other uses

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sphery:

I vote we call any database-related performance and diagnostic scripts "DBug" scripts

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

[OK] Temporary tables created on disk: 17% (506 on disk / 2K total)

[21:41:58]

Beirdo:

that is better

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sphery:

btw, Beirdo, thanks for bringing the google public dns servers to my attentions

[21:42:30]

sphery:

they're nice and fast

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Beirdo:

yer welcome :)

[21:42:47]

sphery:

would be nicer if they had some in various parts of the US...

[21:42:59]

Beirdo:

of course, standard google paranoia applies

[21:43:02]

Beirdo:

ummm, they do

[21:43:15]

Beirdo:

those are geographically diverse, last I heard

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sphery:

all I saw was http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/ , which only listed 2 IPs

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Beirdo:

yeah

[21:44:11]

Beirdo:

but those IPs are "load balanced" geographically

[21:44:14]

Beirdo:

or some sunch

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sphery:

ahhh

[21:44:16]

Beirdo:

such...

[21:44:27]

sphery:

wait, how would you do that with IPs

[21:44:42]

sphery:

I know you can do with with DNS itself giving different IPs for a name based on location

[21:45:30]

Beirdo:

more likely network balanced, but whatever

[21:45:36]

Beirdo:

I dunno :)

[21:46:16]

sphery:

interesting

[21:46:28]

sphery:

anyway, they're fast

[21:46:36]

Beirdo:

Google Public DNS is hosted in data centers worldwide, and uses anycast routing to send users to the geographically closest data center.

[21:46:55]

sphery:

hmmm

[21:47:05]

Beirdo:

from their page :)

[21:47:22]

sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anycast

[21:47:37]

sphery:

those network guys are so creative

[21:48:27]

Beirdo:

nice, huh?

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

wonder if each time they boot those servers they get a pop-up saying, "Another computer on this network has the same IP address as this computer. Contact your network administrator for help resolving this issue. More details are available in the Windows System even log."

[21:51:10]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:51:17]

Beirdo:

windows... hehe

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

wow: A number of the Internet root nameservers are implemented as clusters of hosts using anycast addressing. The A, C, F, I, J, K, L and M servers exist in multiple locations on different continents, using anycast address announcements to provide a decentralized service.

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sphery:

nice

[21:52:16]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Learn something new every day

[21:52:34]

sphery:

yep, I expect to stop learning the day I die

[21:54:16]

sphery:

so Beirdo taught me about the existence of Google's public DNS and about anycast...

[21:54:49]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I knew about Google Public DNS.

[21:55:07]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Although I have never gotten an answer about it vs OpenDNS vs ISP's DNS to my satisfaction

[21:55:33]

Beirdo:

it's faster (by far) for me than using Qwest's servers

[21:56:04]

skd5aner:

I use OpenDNS, I like it

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sphery:

before today anycast meant something totally different to me... like, "The only problem with thetvdb.com is that it does not have anycast information for shows."

[21:56:18]

Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

(99.999999% of my use of any tv-show-related website is to find out who various actors are and where I've seen them before)

[21:56:58]

Beirdo:

hehe, yeah

[21:57:02]

Beirdo:

who's that babe?

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sphery:

and that :)

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Beirdo:

I'm allowed to ask that... I'm single :)

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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skd5aner:

I ask my wife all the time

[21:58:50]

Beirdo:

"me!"

[21:58:52]

skd5aner:

"who's that chick?"

[21:58:52]

Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

Beirdo: I have a feeling google's DNS cache is also fast because it's "well-primed" (i.e. vast number of users--plus I wouldn't be surprised if they did statistical analysis and determined some list of domains to always keep current, so rather than expiring a record, it just refreshes on TTL expiration)... but that's just a guess.

[21:58:59]

skd5aner:

she usually knows

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Beirdo:

sphery: yeah, you are likely right

[21:59:36]

Beirdo:

skd5aner: she's keeping her eye on the competition :) Smart woman.

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skd5aner:

too smart

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Beirdo:

ah well.

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

git stash

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Beirdo:

niiice

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Beirdo:

take any uncommitted changes, stash em away

[22:11:36]

Beirdo:

so you can update, etc...

[22:11:46]

Beirdo:

then git stash pop to reapply

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Beirdo:

niiice

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cleith:

Anybody here using a hdpvr?

[22:27:46]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Yes

[22:28:55]

cleith:

Know if the patches (6602, 6611, 6719) for better channel change are to be applied in some form in production?

[22:29:12]

Beirdo:

6611 and 6719 are slated to be committed this evening

[22:29:18]

Beirdo:

not sure what's in 6602

[22:29:23]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

No. I consider my DVR too mission critical to go bleeding

[22:29:30]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Although I made an exception in the past

[22:29:51]

Beirdo:

I've been running with 6611 and 6719 for a week solid or so

[22:30:25]

skd5aner:

Here's another example (to add to the plethora already out there) of why DRM is truely pointless: http://skattertech.com/2010/07/blockbuster-an . . . oid-x-fails/

[22:31:02]

cleith:

Beirdo: OK, what is the defn of commited? Will I see them included in packages by default before too long?

[22:31:16]

Beirdo:

#6602 went in 4 months ago in [24144]

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skd5aner:

New Droid X phone, one of the most promoted things Verizon did was talk about the built-in HDMI out – yet you can't use it with one of the highly OTHER promoted features, a pre-installed blockbuster app

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Beirdo:

in anything that builds from trunk, yes

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sphery:

cleith: at least tonights will be in trunk

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sphery:

your packages are 0.23-fixes, so when 0.24 is released, those patches Beirdo mentioned will be in it

[22:32:16]

sphery:

upgrading to unstable/development/trunk may not be a good idea, though

[22:32:22]

cleith:

Beirdo: sphery: awesome, thanx

[22:32:32]

sphery:

and if you do it, you need to subscribe to, read, and keep up with the -dev and -commits lists

[22:32:41]

skd5aner:

... because of "copyright protection", yet it'll work fine if you get your movies on the device using methods that the DRM is actually supposed to be intended for

[22:32:46]

skd5aner:

sigh... stupid people

[22:33:02]

ekristen:

question is that only time that the scheduler updates itself is when mythfilldatabase is ran?

[22:33:03]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, nuts, huh?

[22:33:05]

Beirdo:

sphery: yeah, especially right now :)

[22:33:10]

ekristen:

is that = is the*

[22:33:27]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Speaking of Android, I'm potentially excited about Dan Frey's MythTV Android app.

[22:33:30]

sphery:

ekristen: it runs when it needs to run

[22:33:38]

cleith:

sphery: yeah, I should wait I think. Just nice to know they are coming – they seem to make my setup better.

[22:33:48]

Beirdo:

when's the iPhone app? ;)

[22:34:00]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Beirdo, Apple approves apps.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Android has no such problem

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: link?

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Beirdo:

yeah, but if nobody MAKES an app for them to approve...

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Beirdo:

heh

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skd5aner:

re: Dan Frey

[22:34:25]

sphery:

ekristen: i.e. after mythfilldatabase runs, when you create or edit a recording rule, when you change other stuff related to scheduling (priorities, etc), ... or, when you issue a mythbackend --resched

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sphery:

ekristen: and for EIT users, it runs every 5 minutes while EIT is being collected

[22:34:46]

ekristen:

sphery: looks like I am going to have to crontab the resched

[22:34:51]

skd5aner:

wife is likely to pick up a droid X soon, and me a Droid 2 (when it comes out)

[22:34:57]

ekristen:

because mythfilldatabase fails at doing it

[22:35:00]

sphery:

ekristen: what part of "when it's needed" isn't working

[22:35:02]

ekristen:

it always times out for some reason

[22:35:05]

sphery:

ekristen: oh, no it doesn't

[22:35:06]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, there is none. He was talking about it in the MythTV cast. But I know him, and I've been testing it for him, as I own an Android phone

[22:35:09]

skd5aner:

that being said, my current phone is 3+ years old :O

[22:35:16]

ekristen:

yes it does

[22:35:20]

sphery:

ekristen: you're seeing a crash of mythfilldatabase /after/ everything is done

[22:35:45]

ekristen:

I am seeing mythfilldatabase saying in its logs "failed to connect to backend to reschedule"

[22:36:00]

ekristen:

"rescheduling will occur after mythbackend restarts"

[22:36:18]

sphery:

ekristen: that's because you're running mythfilldatabase in a broken environment

[22:36:19]

** Beirdo goes to Taco Bell to restart his backend **

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sphery:

i.e. you don't have the proper config.xml or mysql.txt in place

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ekristen:

negative

[22:36:55]

sphery:

ekristen: no, positive

[22:37:13]

sphery:

ekristen: it can't possibly fail to contact mythbackend if mythbackend is running and your environment is properly configured

[22:37:28]

ekristen:

one second

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sphery:

ekristen: the only real issue with mythfilldatabase right now is a purely cosmetic one--it crashes on shutdown: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7714

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: so, is it a "frontend" type app for android?

[22:38:24]

ekristen:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/w9SqZ0Nh

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: or simply a remote and/or Telnet device to control a frontend?

[22:38:41]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, we already have a mythmote

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skd5aner:

right, that's why I was asking

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

He wants to do something Slingboxesque

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skd5aner:

how far along is he? pre-alpha, alpha, beta?

[22:39:12]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Pre-Alpha.

[22:39:19]

skd5aner:

ah... well, I wish him luck

[22:39:21]

skd5aner:

would be cool

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ekristen:

I can post the mysql.txt and config.xml

[22:39:28]

ekristen:

they are both good though

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sphery:

ekristen: ok, then you need to fix whatever is causing the socket errors in your system

[22:39:52]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

His original design was insecure in my opinion, to run outside the home network, and he's fixed that, I'm told

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sphery:

ekristen: also, pleaes make sure you're running current 0.23-fixes

[22:40:14]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I may try to get him on my podcast when it is released.

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skd5aner:

vpn/tunnel?

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ekristen:

its been a couple weeks since I updates, but I am pretty close to the correct version

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sphery:

ekristen: mythbackend --version would tell us more

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sphery:

ok...

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ekristen:

on second

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner through a web server, instead of having to open your MythTV port

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sphery:

if you are relatively close, then it's probably some system issue and related to the huge changes to the kernel and socket handling

[22:41:15]

** skd5aner goes to close his blockbuster online account after 6 years **

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ekristen:

sphery: 25154

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ekristen:

not sure

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sphery:

yeah, that's not bad

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ekristen:

I used fedora for 4–5 years

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I only use Blockbuster Express.

[22:41:49]

ekristen:

then I had to rebuild my box

[22:41:53]

ekristen:

and went with ubuntu

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ekristen:

and since them I have been having issues with this connection thing

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sphery:

and no fixes for any related issues since then, and we're not getting many reports of socket issues, anymore, so I'm guessing your system has some issues outside of MythTV

[22:42:16]

ekristen:

and I can't find any reason for it

[22:42:29]

ekristen:

its possible

[22:42:41]

ekristen:

I guess at this point I am not even sure where to begin

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sphery:

skd5aner: HDMI output from a phone... just makes you wonder

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Beirdo:

wha?

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sphery:

the link he posted

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sphery:

http://skattertech.com/2010/07/blockbuster-an . . . oid-x-fails/

[22:45:43]

sphery:

why people would think hooking a phone to an HDTV would be a good idea is beyond me

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skd5aner:

Now the question is, should I go to netflix or not

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ekristen:

sphery: it has HDMI out!

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ekristen:

lol

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skd5aner:

sphery: yea... you know... the idea is interesting – sorta, but I would never use it for sure

[22:47:03]

ekristen:

im an iphone user

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Beirdo:

you can ring the phone on your surround speakers?

[22:47:16]

skd5aner:

I mean, if you had a video, encoded at 720/1080, and the phone could output that directly to a TV, then you've got a nice portable "movie" player

[22:47:17]

ekristen:

hdmi out isn't a selling point for me on a phone

[22:47:36]

ekristen:

sphery: thanks for the help I'll keep looking around

[22:47:40]

skd5aner:

I think the Evo 4g phone has HDMI out too

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ekristen:

for now I think I am just going to create a cron job that calls to the resched option

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ekristen:

once a day

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skd5aner:

but, verizon really hyped the HDMI output on the droid x

[22:48:01]

sphery:

ekristen: might want to ask in #mythbuntu if others are having socket issues

[22:48:14]

skd5aner:

not for me, but hey... whatever gets phones out the door I guess?

[22:48:15]

ekristen:

skd5aner: of course they are because they are lacking in the uber awesome screen that the iphone has

[22:48:17]

ekristen:

;)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, if you decide, tell me. I'm on that fence

[22:48:30]

skd5aner:

f'ing iphone... bleh

[22:48:35]

ekristen:

skd5aner: lol

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skd5aner:

GadgetWisdomGuru: decide on which phone to get?

[22:49:01]

sphery:

wait, the iPhone is a phone?

[22:49:08]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

No, Netfix.

[22:49:12]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I have a Droid

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skd5aner:

ah, sorry...

[22:49:23]

sphery:

I thought after the upgrade to iPhone 4, it was just a small iPad

[22:49:40]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, if you are thinking of going Android, I can plug www.androidbuffet.com

[22:49:43]

skd5aner:

yea... I was one of the original blockbuster online subscribers... even in their "beta" phase

[22:49:56]

cleith:

sphery: have a sec?

[22:50:00]

sphery:

cleith: sure

[22:50:02]

skd5aner:

price has went up, service has gone down, features have gone down, and that company really sucks

[22:50:23]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, sounds like half the ones I deal with)

[22:50:27]

Beirdo:

blah blah blah

[22:50:29]

Beirdo:

:)

[22:50:32]

skd5aner:

the ONLY benefit blockbuster has right now is they convienced several studios to give them a month's lead time during dvd releases over netflix and redbox

[22:50:34]

cleith:

sphery: I took your advice and deleted all video sources, but now I can't get my channel info back

[22:50:44]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Skd5aner, how they did that, I wonder.

[22:50:55]

sphery:

cleith: was this comcast?

[22:51:04]

skd5aner:

wonder not... the all mighty dollar prevails!

[22:51:17]

cleith:

sphery: I added back a new video source and linked it up under input connections and then ran mythfilldatabase

[22:51:30]

sphery:

cleith: if it is comcast, you may want to use: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Scte65scan (assuming digital tv)

[22:51:35]

cleith:

sphery: no, it is Cogeco cable in Canada

[22:52:43]

cleith:

sphery: every time I try to exit mythtvsetup it warns about no channel info. I don't remember how I got the channel info working in the first place. What are the steps?

[22:53:40]

sphery:

cleith: ok, well with digital TV, you cannot get the channels from the provider--you have to do a scan

[22:54:18]

Beirdo:

WTH is "Integrated Intel Extreme2 Graphics"

[22:54:35]

cleith:

sphery: It is digital, but I use Schedules Direct. Do I still do a scan in that case?

[22:55:00]

Beirdo:

sphery: I may have a development box :)

[22:55:31]

Beirdo:

if it works

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Beirdo:

heh

[22:55:58]

Beirdo:

oooh, one SATA port

[22:56:00]

Beirdo:

hahahaha

[22:56:12]

Beirdo:

OK, my PCI SATA card will be deployed soon, it seems

[22:57:53]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: its more extremer

[22:58:06]

Beirdo:

Intel 865-GV chipset, eh?

[22:59:42]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: yes, the two tuners each have their own RF connector, so they can be connected to different sourece

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Beirdo:

intelfb perhaps

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Beirdo:

seems like

[23:07:54]

skd5aner:

hmm, looks like netflix charges an extra monthly fee for blu-ray rentals, but Blockbuster online doesn't

[23:09:07]

cleith:

Later, thanx all

[23:09:10]

sphery:

cleith: yes, you need to scan... in that post ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 ), see the part abuot, "If you're using a digital source: You should use MythTV to scan for channels"

[23:09:35]

cleith:

sphery: OK, great, thanx

[23:09:41]

sphery:

("then you should edit the xmltvid for those channels to match the appropriate DataDirect channel's DataDirect ID"--where "DataDirect" is read "Schedules Direct" now)

[23:10:33]

sphery:

cleith: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV_ID talks about how to get the xmltvids

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cleith:

sphery: thanx

[23:11:00]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Index.php/Frontend_Channel_Editor talks about how to lock up your frontend :)

[23:11:18]

sphery:

(i.e. don't use the frontend channel editor--use mythtv-setup or mythweb channel editor to change xmltvids)

[23:12:19]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Got to go for a bit. Be back later

[23:12:22]

cleith:

sphery: I'll do a bit more reading. Gotta run, baby's wailing ;)

[23:12:31]

cleith:

sphery: thanx

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sphery:

Beirdo: so you found a dev box?

[23:15:05]

Beirdo:

yup

[23:15:07]

sphery:

nice

[23:15:12]

sphery:

life is so much easier with one

[23:15:26]

wagnerrp:

anyone know if you can shoehorn a 5.25" drive into a 1U chassis?

[23:15:32]

skd5aner:

mythweb is the easiest, imho

[23:15:49]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: standard size or slim?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: ummm... flatten it with a sledgehammer first

[23:16:04]

wagnerrp:

half height (standard)

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wagnerrp:

theyre both technically 1.75"

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Beirdo:

#6611 and #6719 are now checked in :)

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