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Saturday, July 24th, 2010, 00:05 UTC

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zeeps:

hi

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zeeps:

can someone help me getting xmltv working with osx backend

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zeeps:

I have installed xmltv and have the grabber in my path

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zeeps:

but in mythtv-setup it can't find any grabbers

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zeeps:

anyone?

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sphery:

all I can say is that there are a lot of people trying to get MythTV to work on their Mac boxes, so if you hang out for a while, you're likely to encounter one.

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sphery:

(but I'm not one)

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zeeps:

thanks sphery , I'm working on importing the listings manually in the meantime :)

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sphery:

zeeps: manually should mean running xmltv to create an XML file with listings then running mythfilldatbase --file , right?

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sphery:

er, mythfilldatabase

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zeeps:

the person who maintains listings for my iptv service provides xml file also via php

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zeeps:

so using wget to get the file

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sphery:

ah, yeah, if it's an XMLTV-format file, that's fine

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zeeps:

then mythfilldatabase --file

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sphery:

just mainly meant that you can run mythfilldatabase --file to put it in place properly

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sphery:

yeah, cool

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zeeps:

yup

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** Beirdo makes a rude gesture at his computer **

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sphery:

kormoc_afk: do you know of a stronger incantation of REPAIR TABLE... I "crashed" a table (by overwriting the first byte of the MYI with a 0) and repair is giving: mythconverg.housekeeping | repair | error | Corrupt

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Beirdo:

Oh, and Nickelodeon HD needs to provide better data to TMS

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sphery:

I know normally it would be an MYD that needs fixing, and normal REPAIR TABLE works, but just trying to cover all the bases

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zeeps:

when creating new storage directories

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zeeps:

do I need to manually create the directories first

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Shadow__X:

sphery: sorry i had to step away sorry how would i check that

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sphery:

oh, and the mythbackend stuff works great to prevent master backend from starting with a broken DB :)

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zeeps:

or will mythtv-setup create them when i give a path

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sphery:

Shadow__X: in a terminal run: freetype-config

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sphery:

maybe

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sphery:

Shadow__X: and maybe you and zeeps can help each other :) (both doing Mac stuff)

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sphery:

zeeps: the directory must exist--allows you to properly specify ownership and permissions

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zeeps:

:)

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sphery:

guess I should have said, "by overwriting the first byte of the MYI with a NULL" since it's a /dev/zero

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Shadow__X:

sphery: i run that and usage options come up

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sphery:

kormoc_afk: OK, figured it out... needed a USE_FRM for that one (which is something I don't want to run normally). I'll just refuse to start up if we fail to repair the table (such as if the user must use USE_FRM) and let them manually fix it.

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sphery:

Shadow__X: well, then it's likely problems with your lib/include paths or something

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Shadow__X:

sphery: ok how would i go about checking them out

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sphery:

check config.ep in the mythtv build directory

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sphery:

and just search for freetype in there

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sphery:

look for the error, then fix whatever's causing it

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** Beirdo summarily closes a nuvexport bug **

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sphery:

the executioner

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Beirdo:

#7912 is now off my plate :)

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Beirdo:

I can't keep futzing with ffmpeg command-line differences forever :)

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Beirdo:

I even have a debian box that I looked on (lenny, not squeeze).

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Beirdo:

if the build of ffmpeg is not matching what we expect, get another build, please

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sphery:

yeah, we need in-backend transcoding to libav* formats

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sphery:

then we don't have to rely on command-line opts from ffmpeg

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Beirdo:

and go break your foot off in the butts of the ffmpeg devs

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Shadow__X:

sphery: look for something like this http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1907254?

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Beirdo:

that would be nice

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Beirdo:

but we need to be able to specify many argument

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Beirdo:

s

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sphery:

Shadow__X: that would likely cause the problem

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sphery:

now you just have to figure out how your libfreetype.dylib got to be one for some other arch

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sphery:

dylib, die!

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Shadow__X:

so originally i was using freetype what i am guessing is 64bit and not that i am using macports i am using the universal build which according to kormoc is what i need

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Beirdo:

OK, how did #4726 get assigned back to xris?

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sphery:

heh, good question

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sphery:

that's one that will be solved with the "convergence" patches

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sphery:

(moving mythvideo and mythtv together)

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Beirdo:

just because he reported it doesn't mean he'll be fixing it :)

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sphery:

ok, maybe not "solved" since you'd still need a seektable

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sphery:

so, really, ignore me

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Beirdo:

it will be affected by that stuff, I'm sure

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iamlindoro:

It should just be closed

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iamlindoro:

If we don't have a volunteer to do it, a FRWOP from a dev is still a FRWOP

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Beirdo:

well, yeah, but...

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sphery:

2010-07–23 20:49:23.742 Checking database tables.

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sphery:

2010-07–23 20:49:24.264 Found crashed database table: mythconverg.housekeeping

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Beirdo:

they have their place, and we don't really have a good place YET for it

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sphery:

2010-07–23 20:49:24.302 Repairing database tables:

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sphery:

beautiful

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Beirdo:

sphery: you rule

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sphery:

unfortunately, I was thinking I'd just slap a repair into the master backend startup

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Beirdo:

OK, I'm outta here

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sphery:

but then I had to break it into a check and repair

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sphery:

so now I think I should do the check on all progs

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zeeps:

is this syntax correct

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zeeps:

mythfilldatabase --file 1 -1 /iptv/xmltv.xml

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zeeps:

?

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sphery:

no -1

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sphery:

ttbomk, just: mythfilldatabase --file 1 /iptv/xmltv.xml

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zeeps:

cool

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zeeps:

I think it worked

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Shadow__X:

i think i figured out where that dylib was from. It was from my previous install

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Shadow__X:

of freetype

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sphery:

cool

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Shadow__X:

hmm nope didnt fully remove it. To remove something i installing using make would i do make uninstall?

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sphery:

that sometimes works--depends on the Makefile/project

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Shadow__X:

sphery: oh ok thanks what would i do otherwise?

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Shadow__X:

from what i have found is by looking through the make file and seeing where things go

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Shadow__X:

so it seems as if i removed it but i am still getting the build errors do i need to delete the src folder and have it pull the files again?

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clever:

thats about all you can do enless you have something like portage helping

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clever:

might need to nuke all the freetype include files and reinstall the latest one

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Shadow__X:

how can i check what arch a .dylib is for

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Shadow__X:

or do i just take the error and try to wype it out

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sphery:

Shadow__X: file? file libfreetype.dylib

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Shadow__X:

yeah

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sphery:

that was a command to try... don't know if that was clear.

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Shadow__X:

as of right now i removed everything from macports and ran make uninstall a few times to make sure things were removed. i then did find and a few came up still

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Shadow__X:

but i also realized that some where from xcode and that was not updated since i installed it so installing update now and will reboot. This thing will compile

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Shadow__X:

thanks for helping btw

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Shadow__X:

does anyone know if the the libs in the /Developer/SDKs/ folder in os x get pulled in when making something or the libs of the program its installed for(hopefully that makes sense)

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Shadow__X:

i think its actually compiling

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sphery:

sweet

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Shadow__X:

it seems like the jpeg plugin is getting compiled in as well which it seems like is expected behavior

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Shadow__X:

i will then try to go to my other machine and see what i have to do to get it compiled and what i need to do to get jpeg plugin support because all of the prebuilt ones i have tried dont have it

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Shadow__X:

so if i can i wouldnt mind helping there

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Shadow__X:

sphery: this may be a dumb question but could i build the win32 build in linux or in os x?

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sphery:

Shadow__X: so it's probably the packaging script they're using that creates the installer or whatever that's not including the plugin

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sphery:

I don't know about the win32 build

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sphery:

in theory, it should be possible with an appropriate cross compiler and environment, but I don't know anything about it

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Shadow__X:

sphery: it would seem so but i would have a better idea once this finishes compiling and seeing if i actually have jpegs come up. Then from there i will build it on another machine to see what i have to do different to get the plugin built into it

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Shadow__X:

thats what i was thinking thanks

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sphery:

cool, if you can improve the prebuilt binaries, a lot of people will be happy

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Shadow__X:

yeah i would like to see the prebuilt packages have the plugin included

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Shadow__X:

is binaries more of a proper name than packages?

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wagnerrp:

are they individual executable images and libraries?

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Shadow__X:

hmm i think i forgot to include the mythvideo plugin when i issued the build command

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wagnerrp:

or is it a bundle of files that requires a package manager to install?

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Shadow__X:

an exectuable

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Shadow__X:

so its binary then

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Shadow__X:

thanks wagnerrp for the clarification

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wagnerrp:

is it the program itself? or an executable installer?

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wagnerrp:

if the latter, then its a package

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Shadow__X:

its the program itself

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Shadow__X:

hmm me thinks a nice imac 27inch i7 would help these builds quite nicely

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** wagnerrp thinks a microatx board with i7 would be just as nice, at a fraction of the price **

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wagnerrp:

27" is an awful size

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: really? whats wrong with it the res on it is huge

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sphery:

yeah, I have 23" and it's about as wide as I'd want

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wagnerrp:

no, its not... and thats the problem

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sphery:

more than that and I'd be moving my head too much

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wagnerrp:

sphery's 23" is just as high a resolution as that 27"

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sphery:

1920x1200 :)

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Shadow__X:

2560x1440?

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wagnerrp:

they put that in a 27"? ever one ive seen has been 1920x1200

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Shadow__X:

sphery: yeah i used to program on a 17inch laptop with 1920x1200 it was nice for a while then my eyes started to pay the price

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sphery:

I thought the 2560x1440 started at 30"

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wagnerrp:

30" is usually 2560x1600

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wagnerrp:

a proper 16:10 monitor

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sphery:

that makes sense

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Shadow__X:

imac is 16:9

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sphery:

I didn't notice that the other was 16:9

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sphery:

16:10 is so much better

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Shadow__X:

Resolution

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Shadow__X:

21.5-inch models: 1920 by 1080 pixels

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Shadow__X:

27-inch models: 2560 by 1440 pixels

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Shadow__X:

http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html

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sphery:

but, really, I think if you're at normal desk distance from the monitor, going above about 23" is too much

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wagnerrp:

what is normal distance?

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sphery:

er, 24"

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sphery:

whatever this monitor is

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sphery:

sitting at a chair with the monitor just a bit in front of the keyboard

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Shadow__X:

i have a samsung t260hd 25.5 inch 1920x1200 its really nice but sometimes i have to bring it a bit closer

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sphery:

if you have to put the monitor much farther than that, what's the point?

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sphery:

but closer you have to move your head a lot to see all the sides

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wagnerrp:

i sit further than arm's length from my montior

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sphery:

I'm just over arm's length

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Shadow__X:

that also depends how long your arms are :)

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sphery:

just long enough to reach the ground

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sphery:

oh, wait

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Shadow__X:

yup

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wagnerrp:

seems my 'monitor' is about 48" wide

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Shadow__X:

what is it a lcd tv?

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wagnerrp:

two 17"s and a 20"

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Shadow__X:

or that

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wagnerrp:

sphery: the advantage of multiple monitors, or very wide monitors, is it lets me have half a dozen different files open at the same time, along with one or two web pages with API documentation or notes

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Shadow__X:

so what is that 1280x1024 on the 17's and 1680x1050 on the 20?

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wagnerrp:

1600x1200

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Shadow__X:

oh ok nice

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Shadow__X:

is that lcd

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

i do think thats the tallest i would want a monitor

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Shadow__X:

right

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wagnerrp:

weve got a bunch of 30"s at work, and i dont mind looking side to side, but i dislike up and down

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Shadow__X:

i can see that

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wagnerrp:

although at the distance i usually sit its not bad

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wagnerrp:

between 3–4'

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Shadow__X:

yeah what also gets me is when people use actual lcd tv's as monitors

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wagnerrp:

we used to have one of the workstations set up as a 2x2 wall

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wagnerrp:

and no one ever used the upper monitors

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Shadow__X:

what do you do 3d modeling?

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wagnerrp:

3d simulation

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wagnerrp:

turbo-machinery work

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Shadow__X:

oh ok yeah that makes more sense

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larzen1:

Hi Folks.. question for you.... I have a card with an SAA717x chipset on it...

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wagnerrp:

what card is it?

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larzen1:

its an NVTV card (dual tuner) nvidia

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larzen1:

i thought it was a brick for the longest time (no drivers) but recently i've seen some activity in this area

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wagnerrp:

looks like youre not going to have any luck with linux

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larzen1:

http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/ . . . x.c?v=2.6.31

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wagnerrp:

odd he never listed that on the linuxtv.org wiki

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larzen1:

i know =)

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wagnerrp:

anyway, we dont do tuners

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wagnerrp:

we just do the V4L, IVTV, and DVB APIs

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sphery:

wagnerrp: with on 24" widescreen at 1920x1200, I have 9 terminals on my desktop, many with documents open

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sphery:

of course, for me a document is opened in vim

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larzen1:

wagnerrp: so this card is pretty much useless for myth?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: but theyre overlapping

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sphery:

none of mine overlap

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Shadow__X:

you could screen shot it

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wagnerrp:

larzen1: if the driver supports one of those three APIs, you can use it in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

however if its V4L, you really dont want to use it

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sphery:

If you count the overlapping ones, I actually have 13 terms on the screen

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larzen1:

wagnerrp: looking through the driver source, its v4l2

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sphery:

and the 4 extras I just need the bottom 2 lines of, so they can overlap

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Shadow__X:

1920x1200 gives youa good amount of screen real estate

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larzen1:

wagnerrp: oddly enough I don't see it in my kernel

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wagnerrp:

i really need to get xpra or nx working, so i can get xchat out of this VNC window

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wagnerrp:

its taking up almost a full monitor

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wagnerrp:

now i remember why i wasnt using xpra... keyboard wasnt getting passed for some reason

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: screen and irssi?

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wagnerrp:

but then that would be irssi, and not xchat

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Shadow__X:

yes and some would say that could very well be an upgrade?

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wagnerrp:

yes, for those that like irssi

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Shadow__X:

right right you got me there

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wagnerrp:

which do you think would be better for compiling, 1.93 AthXP or 2x1.0 P3?

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sphery:

I'd guess the 1xAth XP

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sphery:

pure guess, though

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sphery:

no basis other than feel

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wagnerrp:

if it makes a difference, the P3 has double the memory, at about half the speed

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sphery:

oh, that memory may kick the P3 to an advantage

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sphery:

I think it would be a race worth watching...

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sphery:

when does it start?

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wagnerrp:

once i figure out why the P3 wont boot

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sphery:

hmm, that might put the Ath XP back at the advantage

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wagnerrp:

:)

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wagnerrp:

something funky with the network drivers

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larzen1:

ok I popped the card in – bounced the system and no /dev/video

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larzen1:

i modprobed the saa717x module – still no video

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larzen1:

Multimedia controller: C-Cube Microsystems E4? (rev b1) <-- this is what lspci produces

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wagnerrp:

if you cant get a card to work, you probably should seek help in #linuxtv

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Shadow__X:

i was able to get further while trying to build but now i get a different error http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1907324

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Shadow__X:

it seems like the errors are referring to ffmpeg

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wagnerrp:

i am not understanding keymaps at all...

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Shadow__X:

i am not understanding why this client still wont build

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Shadow__X:

also i am trying to find something i was trying to do find $pwd -name "simple_idct_mmc*" but i guess i am using the wrong escape character for $pwd i tried backticks ` but that didnt make a difference

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squidly:

did picture by picture get removed?

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wagnerrp:

picture by picture?

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wagnerrp:

in picture?

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Chaorain:

I'm trying to setup a laptop (front end- ubuntu) to connect to my Desktop Backend (also Ubuntu) but I tried some settings and now the front end won't load on the laptop

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squidly:

picture by picture

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea what that is

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Chaorain:

or rather nothing shows up

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Chaorain:

any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

are they running the same versions?

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squidly:

wagnerrp: it would split the screen and put 2 tuners on the screen at once

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squidly:

oh wait.. it's disabled because of vdapu

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wagnerrp:

squidly: never knew such a feature existed

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wagnerrp:

but yes, VDPAU only allows one video stream at a time

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wagnerrp:

i think opengl may be the only painter that allows true acceleration of multiple video streams

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wagnerrp:

s/painter/renderer/

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squidly:

wagnerrp: though I would have though that pip would need two renders as well

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wagnerrp:

Chaorain: that mythtv version question was to you

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Chaorain:

wagnerrp: oh yes they are

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wagnerrp:

squidly: for some reason, im thinking you can only have one active XVideo window at a time

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wagnerrp:

Chaorain: same revision and everything?

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wagnerrp:

if so, check your frontend logs for errors

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Chaorain:

yep

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wagnerrp:

probably in /var/log/mythtv/

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squidly:

wagnerrp: I think you are right. When I have my playback profile to be cpu++ I get the picture-by-picture avaliable to me

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squidly:

with vdapu i only see pip

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wagnerrp:

with VDPAU, i know you can only have one active window at a time

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Chaorain:

>.< Its trying to connect to a local database

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Chaorain:

Is there a way to completely clear the settings?

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wagnerrp:

Chaorain: then your ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt and ~/.mythtv/config.xml have the wrong information

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squidly:

which makes sense.. guess I will have to get used to pip again..

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wagnerrp:

note that depending on how you run mythfrontend, those may be redirected to /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/

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silverdulcet:

So, in an attempt to troubleshoot suspend on my frontend/backend I wrote data to the rtc clock, then reset the clock to the correct time. Now mythfilldatabase doesn't run automatically when suggested by Schedules Direct, any ideas on what to check?

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Chaorain:

wagnerrp: so deleteing those will clear the settings?

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wagnerrp:

yes, and on the next run, it will pop up a dialog asking for you to define them

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wagnerrp:

rather, define the database connection information that will be written to them

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Chaorain:

hm, I deleted them then ran Mythtv and the popped back but no Frontend appeared

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wagnerrp:

you ran 'mythtv'?

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wagnerrp:

such a program does not exist

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Chaorain:

The front end process has been showing up inthe system moniter

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silverdulcet:

I know the rtc clock is back to normal, because it wakes up to record things just as it used to. But where before, mythfilldatabase would run on the next startup past the time suggested now it won't run at all, whether its on during that time or is started after the time has past.

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Chaorain:

sorry I ran the front end from the gui

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[R]:

silverdulcet: is it set to run?

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Chaorain:

i.e. Applications> Sound & Video > Mythtv Frontend

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wagnerrp:

Chaorain: can you simply edit those files yourself and set the correct data?

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silverdulcet:

[R]: yes, its set to run when suggested by the grabber Schedules Direct

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[R]:

weird, works for me

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silverdulcet:

[R]: yeah, it used to work fine, it just stopped *after* I wrote debug logs to the rtc clock to troubleshoot suspend.

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silverdulcet:

[R]: mythfilldatabase runs fine manually from the command line.

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Chaorain:

wagnerrp: ok so MythTv Frontend showed up but it can't connect

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[R]:

how does one write logs to a clock

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wagnerrp:

what did it say?

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wagnerrp:

couldnt connect to the database? or to the backend?

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Chaorain:

Backend server

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silverdulcet:

[R]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend

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Chaorain:

I don't have a port set yet, where do I find the port I need?

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wagnerrp:

check mythtv-setup on the backend machine and ensure than you have set the backend to listen to a routable address (not 127.0.0.1)

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wagnerrp:

port set for what?

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silverdulcet:

[R]: basically, its one of the only ways to see what module is hanging just prior to suspend.

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[R]:

whatever

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Chaorain:

wagnerrp: Uh the port line under General setup on the frontend

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Chaorain:

wagnerrp: The Backend is set to 127.0.0.1

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wagnerrp:

the only port you can define in the frontend settings is that of the database server it is to connect to

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Shadow__X:

Chaorain: listen to what wagnerrp wrote above you need to change that ip

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wagnerrp:

unless you have good reason otherwise, you should leave it alone

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wagnerrp:

you need to run mythtv-setup on your backend, and set the IP it is using to your network address

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wagnerrp:

probably 192.168.something

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Chaorain:

The backend's ip right?

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wagnerrp:

thats the first page, under general settings, you need to set both IP fields to that address

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wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

the address the backend is to listen for connections on

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Chaorain:

ok, filling the database now

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wagnerrp:

what?

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Chaorain:

I exited the setup and ran "fill mythtv database" or whatever its called, the auto prompt program

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wagnerrp:

why?

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Chaorain:

I always run it, just in case

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wagnerrp:

you only need to run that if you have no guide data

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wagnerrp:

which will only happen if adding channels

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Chaorain:

ah, I had no Idea what it did

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Chaorain:

SWEET my front end connected, thanks so much

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NightMonkey:

Are EIDs global across providers from SchedulesDirect?

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NightMonkey:

Globally unique, I should say.

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wagnerrp:

programid?

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Sorry, yes, programid.

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: So, if I move from, say, Dish to DirecTV or cable, but stick with SD, will I need to re-do much?

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wagnerrp:

that is used for duplicate matching in mythtv's scheduler, and can generally be assumed to be static for a single episode

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Sweet.

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wagnerrp:

however there is no guarantee that a given program will have that ID defined

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Sour. Okay.

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Thanks.

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wagnerrp:

nor is there any guarantee that the ID can in any way be parsed to to get a season and episode number

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wagnerrp:

what are you intended to do with it?

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: I'm moving, so I may have to change providers. I'm hoping I don't, but this info will help me decide.

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wagnerrp:

the scheduler currently uses programid if available, and defaults to falling back to title, subtitle, and description for detecting duplicates

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Ah, I see. So, since SD is TMS, probably "HBO" is "HBO" everywhere.

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wagnerrp:

unless its HBOHD, or HBOOnDemand, or any of the other dozen HBO channels

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: And show/episode probably won't change.

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Got it.

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wagnerrp:

title and subtitle are likely to properly match

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wagnerrp:

description can change

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sphery:

right, programid is a TMS-owned unique identifier for an episode of a show

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sphery:

so it's consistent across all of TMS

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wagnerrp:

programid is not likely to change, but it can be left off a program

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sphery:

right

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wagnerrp:

but generally those are going to be generic programs, and handled differently

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NightMonkey:

By changing providers, my myth instance won't "forget" about my Mad Men recording, both upcoming and past, for instance.

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NightMonkey:

(As long as I'm with SD)

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wagnerrp:

probably not

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NightMonkey:

Sweet.

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wagnerrp:

and if all else fails, you can always set a 'new episodes only' filter

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Ah, that's right.

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NightMonkey:

Thanks, sphery and wagnerrp. One less thing to worry about.

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sphery:

NightMonkey: O\nly time it will "forget" about upcoming recordings is if you happened to use "this channel" rules (which you should almost never use). All "any channel" rules will work, even after moving.

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sphery:

when you move "this channel" won't exist, so "this channel" rules won't work.

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NightMonkey:

sphery: Great. I have some of those, but not "important" recordings.

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sphery:

NightMonkey: just change them to "any channel" rules (now or after moving) and they'll work...

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Shadow__X:

hmm i am having an error with simple_idct_mmx.o

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Shadow__X:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1907364

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wagnerrp:

do they even make 32-bit intel OSX?

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Shadow__X:

yes 10.5 was 32 bit and so is 10.6

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wagnerrp:

what for, everything it runs on is 64-bit

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Shadow__X:

you can boot 10.6 in 64bit only mode but by default its 32bit

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wagnerrp:

and its not like the binaries are cross compatible

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Shadow__X:

the reason why i am compiling with 32bit was because i was having other issues with mysql otherwise

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Shadow__X:

any recommendations?

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larzen2:

i am going to ask this here because it appears that I cannot get live humans in linuxtv =) Does anyone know of code/api calls to enumerarte all v4l/v4l2 capable devices ?

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wagnerrp:

ls /dev/video*?

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larzen2:

is that consistent?

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justinh:

hey, we might get a flurry of people wanting help with mythtv 0.14 from this: http://www.games-remote.com/blog/MythTV-come- . . . Parte-3-di-3

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wagnerrp:

its a shame the UI didnt print the year

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sphery:

ok, what am I doing wrong

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sphery:

things like that just take me to a page where it says a title

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sphery:

and there's a box that says, "permalink" and has the address I just went to

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sphery:

and there's no story

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Shadow__X:

sphery: noscript?

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sphery:

no

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sphery:

is it some stupid flash thing?

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sphery:

I don't have flash

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wagnerrp:

youtube video

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Shadow__X:

its an embeded youtube video

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sphery:

oh

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sphery:

see, I thought it was the world wide web

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sphery:

guess it's this web 2.0 stuff

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Shadow__X:

ill transcode it for me if you can kick the osx builder script to work for me

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sphery:

heh, there is a video there

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sphery:

(opened my other firefox and saw it)

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sphery:

the web without words is wrong

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sphery:

I must be a dinosaur

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wagnerrp:

how does michael weston repeatedly get shot at, and still keep that charger in pristine condition?

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Shadow__X:

he has all the spare parts in his moms garage

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wagnerrp:

spare parts being thousands of replacement body panels

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Shadow__X:

in this case yes

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sphery:

or maybe just a barrel or 2 of bondo

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wagnerrp:

its a wonder the car isnt getting cumbersome with all the extra lead theyre carrying around

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Shadow__X:

also for getting the block shot up it seems to be running nicely

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sphery:

talk about bad luck... http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0922995/bio

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sphery:

"He changed his last name from Rubinstein to Weston because there was already a Michael Rubinstein in the Screen Actors Guild."

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sphery:

and now there's a Michael Westen character http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0028843/

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sphery:

(different spelling, but...)

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wagnerrp:

zach braff has 'projects'?

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wagnerrp:

i thought he just had a show that ran way way too long

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sphery:

he had several movies

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sphery:

and no, Scrubs didn't run too long

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sphery:

I still mourn it's short life

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sphery:

its

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wagnerrp:

seems its spelled differently

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sphery:

yeah, different spelling

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sphery:

but sounds the same

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gbee:

is it still the case that the MKBv15 processing key is unknown?

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gbee:

to answer my own question, yes, so I need to find the VUK instead

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EvilGuru:

Hmm, so a porn baron now own C5...great

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gbee:

it's gone back to it's roots

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justinh:

isn't it great though? It'll lend whole new meaning to shows like 'Hole in the wall'

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justinh:

there was a whole twitter meme about it yesterday, chock full of very lame puns

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justinh:

woohoo. got a watched status fingy in mythvideo's gallery view at last

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justinh:

wheee frontend segfault. went to mark a video as watched. oops

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justinh:

and can't reproduce it. typical

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Pr0jectRec0n:

hmm is there a room – where I can talk abt TV shows ?

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orly_owl:

#defocus

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justinh:

room? lol

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orly_owl:

smells like an aol user

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justinh:

heh like myspace I guess they still exist

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orly_owl:

that reminds me http://www.baekdal.com/opinion/facebook-is-dying-social-is-not/

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orly_owl:

interesting article

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Pr0jectRec0n:

enough with the flaming already

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justinh:

ahhh it's a bot

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justinh:

has to be if he thinks that was being toasted

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Pr0jectRec0n:

justinh, /sarcasm

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Pr0jectRec0n:

justinh, I'm still not offended :)

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justinh:

good, because I wasn't trying to offend

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gbee:

heh, that's really funky, seems MakeMKV will read a disc it claims not to support if you first insert one that it does

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gbee:

ok, it can read/rip, but that doesn't make it playable *sigh*

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gbee:

or maybe it does, huzzah!

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awalls:

larzen1: v4l2-ctl --list-devices

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awalls:

but it's a bit of a hack.

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awalls:

V4L2 is getting media-controller infrastructure additions to make such a thing reliable and consistent.

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gbee:

a proper library API would be great, relying on system calls is never as tidy nor reliable

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gbee:

I'm a little curious about what larzen1 is working on, I'm currently attempting (with no great success) to have mythtv discover DVB tuners via libudev (documentation is non-existant)

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gbee:

even less documentation on the /sys tree, particularly for v4l, which is really the biggest stumbling block, not the slightest clue which bits can be relied upon as both stable and consistent identifiers, nor what half the information actually is

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awalls:

gbee: I dislike sysfs greatly myself.

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awalls:

The V4L2 API is documented in an API document of course

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awalls:

An Hans de Goede does have a libv4l

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awalls:

/An/And/

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awalls:

Discovery though is one of those things the new media controller addition to the V4L2 API is supposed to address

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awalls:

I'd have to look to see if DVB discovery is included at least for the hybrid recorder cards

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awalls:

In general for V4L2 the infrastructure doesn't use sysfs

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awalls:

The pvrusb2 driver does have knobs in there though

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awalls:

Also Mauro just added a bunch of new IR infrastructure and chose to use sysfs. :P

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awalls:

gbee: Here's a thread with a test program I wrote and some tests run with libudev:

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awalls:

//www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg07312.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger. . . . sg07312.html

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awalls:

It was meant to just test the possibility of some things, but you may find it useful.

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gbee:

awalls: well in addition to simply discovering devices, mythtv needs each to have a unique identifier so that devices switching /dev nodes on reboots don't cause us problems, if the new bits of the V4L2 api allow for that then there is very little reason to use libudev (for v4l2 tuners anyway)

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gbee:

thanks for the reading material/code, when I'm less busy I'll give it a read through

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awalls:

gbee: More reading material:

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awalls:

http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-media/msg20962.html

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awalls:

and all the pieces certainly aren't there in that patch set.

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awalls:

If would encourage you to bring the need of MythTV up at the Linux Plumbers' conference this fall ion Boston

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awalls:

the media controller implementation should be on the agenda.

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awalls:

I don't think anyone's given thought to consistency across reboots.

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justinh:

reboots? heheheh linux doesn't need reboots... evah! ;-)

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justinh:

it's always been a bit sucky that devices don't always get named the same

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justinh:

it was all fine as long as we only ever had one of each type of device

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gbee:

the lack of consistency across reboots is probably the biggest thorn in my side right now, it obviously only affects those using multiple sources e.g. DVB-S and DVB-T (though it could equally apply to two DVB-S or DVB-T sources), there are some workarounds which work to varying degrees e.g. the adapter_nr parameter than Janne Grunau added but that only works when the same frontend isn't shared by two different card types, udev

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gbee:

rules are an option but they are a long way from being user friendly and aren't compatible with our goal of simplifying setup

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gbee:

so the most recent idea has been to associate the devices with their PCI bus/device ids instead of their nodes

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gbee:

I think we might have someone close to Boston, but I can't remember who

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justinh:

do they really call it the linux plumbers' conference?

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justinh:

if they do, it speaks volumes ;)

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awalls:

justinh: http://www.linuxplumbersconf.org/2010/

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Shadow__X:

i am still having build errors. I was looking through what the script says when its first fired up is it supposed to say this http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1907515 even when i select i386?

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Shadow__X:

kormoc_afk: where you ever able to build on 10.6 I keep hitting one problem after another

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EvilGuru:

Random question: are regular PCI cards hot swappable?

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EvilGuru:

I've done it with S-ATA hard disks in the past, but am unsure about PCI

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justinh:

I wouldn't risk it, personally

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gbee:

no they aren't

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justinh:

IIRC some boards allow it, but it's a big ask & probably very rare

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EvilGuru:

On a hardware level I think it depends how power is supplied (i.e., if the controller waits for insertion before making the pins live)

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gbee:

server spec stuff mostly

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gbee:

consumer level boards almost certainly won't support it

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justinh:

you weren't supposed to hot-plug game console carts either, but I did on occasion

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gbee:

justinh: well at least there they were aware that users would probably ignore the instructions and so they took some precautions, a PCI card on the other hand ... liable to do damage to the motherboard if not the card IMHO

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justinh:

on a side note – I used to work with a guy who managed to plug a PCI VGA card into an AGP slow. it went in ;-)

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AndyCap:

justinh: did he power on the machine?

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gbee:

and then the OS may not support it, so you've gained nothing

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justinh:

if anything I think most of the risk of damage is to the card itself

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EvilGuru:

I've popped cards out by mistake on many occassions

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justinh:

I've been naughty & swapped IDE devices without powering down too.. which is fine so long as nothing else on that bus is being used at the time

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justinh:

(ish)

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AndyCap:

justinh: heh, my "transportable" ide drive died after a year or so

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justinh:

anyway, the big risk is from leaving a system powered on & having to undo a screw which you risk dropping onto the board

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justinh:

and no, that isn't saying that if you use a 'pearl catching' screwdriver it's ok to do it ;)

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gbee:

tbh I'm not sure why anyone would dare to try it, especially if it's a question of uptime – a dead machine is going to have a longer downtime than simply powering off to swap out the card

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justinh:

aye

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justinh:

and even if the thing works after a hotswap there's no guarantee you've not damaged it

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justinh:

like ESD damage, it's probably not immediately obvious

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justinh:

wonder if that ever crosses the mind of people whose tuners mysteriously 'die' after a couple of years in service

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EvilGuru:

How would they get ESD damage?

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justinh:

same way they could get ESD damage from an unpowered system

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justinh:

if you're not grounded when you touch it...

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justinh:

and it *is* grounded..

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clever:

my STB aint grounded until you connect the coax

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clever:

i know, because ive felt the current going thru my hand when i grab the coax and stb

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justinh:

and yeah, there are probably millions of people around who'll say their gear has been fine & they've never bothered to ground themselves properly – but they're probably not the kind of people who keep gear around long enough to see the effects ;)

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clever:

ive not properly grounded myself when peeking inside the comodore 64

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clever:

it still works

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justinh:

one of the reasons I stopped buying stuff from computer markets. hardly ever saw anybody take ESD precautions, and I had to return chips & memory on more than one occasion

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justinh:

oh and motherboards. especially one dud 486 board which had fake cache ram onboard. they looked real – til you actually peeked at them under a microscope – there were gaps in the epoxy & you could see the leads went nowhere. Oh, that and the fact the leads were all commoned together on the PCB itself. Very naughty

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justinh:

some people went to a lot of trouble

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AndyCap:

justinh: hehe, why would they do that?

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AndyCap:

it's pretty deceptive, but would be be hard to explain the benchmarks?

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gbee:

who is benchmarking stuff they got from a market stall that probably wasn't even there the following day/week

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justinh:

PC Chips, that's who, according to google research

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AndyCap:

Oh. I was thinking it was factory "installeD2

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justinh:

http://www.redhill.net.au/b/jpg/b-fake-pci.jpg

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AndyCap:

not just a one off made by a user selling it second hand

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gbee:

justinh: oh? well that's worse

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justinh:

hey it was back in 199whatever

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gbee:

You don't have permission to access www.redhill.net.au/b/jpg/b-fake-pci.jpgon this server.

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AndyCap:

referrercontrol

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justinh:

http://www.redhill.net.au/b/b-bad.html

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justinh:

the board actually worked, when I sorted out the dodgy ram

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justinh:

passed pc memory tests but not when I tried it in our sun motherboards

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AndyCap:

ah, the days of motherboard manufacturers being virtually anonymous

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justinh:

yup. when cyrix still made CPUs

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AndyCap:

"Joe's 486 PC"

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justinh:

the days before the interwebs!

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gbee:

only it wasn't, though many of us still knew it as Compuserve :p

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dewman:

I cant believe they still sell internet access...

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AndyCap:

Prodigy, BIX,

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trumee:

guys, is it possible to shrink an xfs partition. i want to salvage some space.

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Shadow__X:

hey guys i am still getting this same error while trying to build the frontend on os x http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1907364

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Shadow__X:

it seems to be related to libav but i am unsure what the issue is

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Shadow__X:

can someone help me with getting the os x autibuilder script to work here is the error i am getting http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1907364

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NightMonkey:

Odd problem here: Running PVR-350 X output, via XV. Upgraded from 0.22 to 0.23. Everything's sweet, except I have to adjust the Aspect Ratio on playback from "off" to "14:9" to properly seat image.

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NightMonkey:

Can I a) somehow the aspect ratio default to 14:9 (why I have to do that on a 4:3 screen, dunno)

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NightMonkey:

b) fix the underlying problem introduced with 0.23 + XV?

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NightMonkey:

(and SD playback)

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Shadow__X:

NightMonkey: it should be under playback settings

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NightMonkey:

Shadow__X: Sweet, I'll check and see if that works.

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wagnerrp:

NightMonkey: get a new video card

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: I'll take your comment, and put it in the nice basket I've dedicated to similar advice. ;)

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NightMonkey:

(Pretty full basket)

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wagnerrp:

as youve probably discovered, you can only use the Xv output, since support for the special hardware accelerated output has been removed

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wagnerrp:

!seen MitchCapper

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MythLogBot:

MitchCapper was last seen 222 days 1 hour 19 minutes 3 seconds ago

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: But it works fine, just this annoying issue with aspect ratio. But, Ill try out adjusting the settings.

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Brownowski:

Hi, I've got a question about my VDPAU setup in MythTV. I currently have VDPAU setup as the video profile for all files but am seeing a drastic difference in CPU with my SD files (720x576 PAL) using 40% whereas my HD files (1080i) are using only 4%. 40% CPU is what I see when I don't use VDPAU. Any idea's why?

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wagnerrp:

where do these SD recordings come from?

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Brownowski:

DTV

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Brownowski:

just standard digital broadcasts

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wagnerrp:

so theyre captures off the same digital tuner card?

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Brownowski:

yep

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wagnerrp:

not something through a tuner box and an analog framegrabber?

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Brownowski:

i can play the same files in mplayer using vdpau and the cpu usage is 4–5% for both files

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Brownowski:

nah, just straight digital

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wagnerrp:

check your playback profiles, and make sure you didnt do something like define VDPAU to be used only for files above a certain resolution

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Brownowski:

yeah, I've checked, its VDPAU slim, only 1 profile set for all files over 0x0

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Brownowski:

in the console output it lists that it is opening vdpau stuff

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Brownowski:

same output for both files

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Brownowski:

my display is running 1950x1080 native so the only thing I could really think is that maybe it is doing something funny on upscaling it?

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Brownowski:

1920x1080 sorry

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wagnerrp:

no, all upscaling is being done by the video processor

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Brownowski:

would the vdpau profile ever fall back to decoding using cpu if it has a problem or would the display just fail?

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Beirdo:

I...HATE... ffmpeg

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wagnerrp:

if there is no fallback in the profile, it should not fall back

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Beirdo:

trying to fix some stuff in nuvexport, and as always, the command-line changes sans documentation... are driving me insane

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Beirdo:

not to mention ubuntu et all disabling some conversions

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Brownowski:

hmm, well, I really don't know then.

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wagnerrp:

i dont know why they would, since canonical purchased licenses for all that sort of stuff

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Beirdo:

I doubt very much that they did

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Beirdo:

but whatever, it's being a PITA

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I thought they licensed it but only for their paid products

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sphery:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/are-ubuntu . . . depends/8228

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sphery:

though obviously written by a guy who doesn't speak English...

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sphery:

"Canonical's Chris Kenyon...highlights just what a mess the whole licensing issue has become. 'If a user downloads Ubuntu and installs it themselves, then as Ubuntu is free software, no MPEG-LA license is included.'"

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sphery:

so the author of the article interprets that as, "Good news for those who download Ubuntu – you're covered, and the MPEG LA aren't going to be kicking your door down."

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wagnerrp:

ok, so only paid for pre-installs from OEMs

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sphery:

right only paid for pre-installs where the OEM bought a license for you

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AndyCap:

Well, the MPEG LA will probably only kick your door down if you redistribute ubuntu. :P

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sphery:

regardless, though, Ubuntu isn't covered by a license

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AndyCap:

and did they actually get a license for ffmpeg or for some other codec

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sphery:

just like WebM isn't covered by licenses they'll need :)

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AndyCap:

if one were to get the paid version

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Wicked:

about webm/vp8 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQ0NQ

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Wicked:

some of you in here might find it semi interesting :)

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sphery:

As I understand it, if you're an OEM, you can buy Ubuntu for distribution on your PCs. You can also choose to pay extra to get an MPEG license for that Ubuntu so that /you/ can pre-install MPEG-related stuff (players, etc.)

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sphery:

Wicked: cool

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Wicked:

:)

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