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Saturday, July 17th, 2010, 00:01 UTC

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awalls:

seventoes: v4l2-ctl -d /dev/video0 will log status about the card on /dev/video0, including which model (at least for the ivtv driver)

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seventoes:

awalls: Looks like it's just the low-profile version of the PVR-150

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awalls:

Yeah. It could be an OEM version of the design.

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awalls:

Or maybe just one of these: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_pvr150mclp.html

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seventoes:

awalls: Yeah that looks like my card!

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seventoes:

awalls: Think the FM-IN port could be used as a second cable input? *crosses fingers* :P

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awalls:

Nope.

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seventoes:

yeah didn't think so

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seventoes:

only one encoder

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awalls:

Only one analog tuner assembly too.

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nwidger:

hello, anyone here familiar with psychos' mac os x build of mythfrontend? i cant figure out how to set my backend address.

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nwidger:

nevermind i think i figured it out

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wagnerrp:

you dont set up the backend address on a frontend

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justinh:

you tell mythfrontend how to get into the database, if anything – and from there a frontend finds the master backend

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wagnerrp:

often you dont even have to do that, it will find it on its own using UPNP

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wagnerrp:

(oddly enough, it finds the backend, to tell it where the database is, to tell it where the backend is)

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wagnerrp:

anyone seen this 'Haven' on scifi?

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wagnerrp:

sometimes, its worth it to not skip the commercials... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhlWddAXSRA

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high-rez:

This may be a very old argument, and since i'm always like 6 years behind I'll have to ask it anyways. Dolby Digital or DTS? :)

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wagnerrp:

DTS is higher bitrate, and so generally higher quality

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wagnerrp:

but its really up to who mastered it

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wagnerrp:

sometimes the DD track is better, sometimes the DTS track is better

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high-rez:

Hmmf. I noticed some of my movies don't advertise DTS with the DTS logo even though they have it.

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high-rez:

I've got killbill being pulled pulling off the dvd right now so I can have a listen (as an iso so I can switch between).

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high-rez:

I've never had a receiver that could do DTS – let alone a quality enough audio setup so I didn't care – but now I'm curious to play with it :)

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high-rez:

I have to say, DVD looks pretty darned good still... I have a hard time justifying the Bluray at its current price points.

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Brad-D:

hey wagnerrp, how do you hook up the audio on your mythtv? I've always done it with a stereo cable, which is kind of ghetto. Not taking advantage of my surround sound :>

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high-rez:

Brad-D: I know your question isn't to me but I'll chime in anyways. I've got HDMI out (i have an nvidia 210 with real hdmi) out to my receiver. One cable out of myth and done. :D

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wagnerrp:

stereo cable on one, hdmi on the other

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Brad-D:

wow i didn't realize that hdmi did audio as well

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Brad-D:

i will have to play around with that

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Brad-D:

last time i played with hdmi, it was giving me video headaches

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high-rez:

Hmmf, I think this disk has intentional bad blocks to prevent ripping :(

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Brad-D:

is there any other way to hook it up for 5.1 sound?

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high-rez:

I've never had a problem with video over hdmi – though audio isn't quite as straight forward

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high-rez:

Its possible to hook it up for 7.1 even (LPCM)

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Brad-D:

for the audio, are you using alsa high-rez?

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wagnerrp:

if you actually have HDMI audio, and not just SPDIF over HDMI

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high-rez:

From what i've been told/read ALSA doesn't quite support passing TrueHD DTS-HD through yet

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high-rez:

what wagner said, e.g. geforce 2xx card

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wagnerrp:

of 8/9 series onboard

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wagnerrp:

s/of/or/

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high-rez:

i made the mistake of buying a 9600 (?) which had a pass through cable. returned it for the 210 – and i'm totally happy with it.

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Brad-D:

i think i have an onboard 9600

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: Is that right? E.g. the IONs should work then ?

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Brad-D:

high-rez: what did you notice improvement wise on your new card, i was pondering getting a 2xx card, so i could play with more strenuous deinterlacers

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high-rez:

There also appears to be a bug where if you're using onboard nvidia audio and an external card that enumeration fails – and not all is right.

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wagnerrp:

yes, IONs should have full HDMI audio

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high-rez:

Well the 210 can't do deinterlacing as well as my 8600GT could. But it had down high quality scaling – which from a very subjective analysis looks great.

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high-rez:

I think the other 2XX (e.g. non 210) are prohibitively expensive for use in dedicated video machines at this point.

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Brad-D:

hmmm, i wonder if i would get much of an upgrade visually going to a 220 from a 9600? i thought it might be a cheap $60 upgrade to play with

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high-rez:

My receiver also does some magic to the video

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high-rez:

I paid $50 for my 210 – i haven't seen any 220's for 60 bucks – but i guess i havent looked

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Brad-D:

60-ish

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Brad-D:

well i guess it's time to attack hdmi with renewed vigour, and get my 5.1 sound up and going

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high-rez:

Pfft

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high-rez:

KB2 – same error.

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joot:

Can someone please advise me on which satelitte card(s) work with minimal config??

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araldit:

Cant have my frontend close down my computer. Anyone know where I setup which shutdown script it uses.

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wagnerrp:

is this a dedicated frontend?

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araldit:

yes

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wagnerrp:

using a remote?

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araldit:

yes

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wagnerrp:

just use irexec with the power button on your remote

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araldit:

That could be a solution

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joot:

Can someone please advise me on which satellite card(s) work with minimal config??

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araldit:

I use HVR-4000

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pet:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S_Devices

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pet:

oops, bad link

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joot:

thanks araldit.

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araldit:

wagnerrp: I think I need a script run by the frontend when it exits. If fi. I enable sleep timer, it should also shutdown the machine..

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wagnerrp:

no, the sleep timer is merely to exit livetv

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wagnerrp:

so you dont leave it run needlessly for hours on end

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araldit:

wagnerrp: Is that right?

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araldit:

wagnerrp: Useless

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joot:

pet, the link worked why is it bad?

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wagnerrp:

why is that useless?

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pet:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Video_capture_card . . . _with_MythTV

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wagnerrp:

it may not be a solution to your problem, but it certainly has its uses

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araldit:

wagnerrp: Every other device having a sleeptimer will shutdown when times up... Thats what I expect it too

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joot:

pet: thanks

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wagnerrp:

araldit: it will drop out of livetv, re-enabled the DPMS on your video output, and the monitor/tv will shutdown on its own when DPMS kicks in

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araldit:

wagnerrp: But the frontend will stay on, leaving the backend running as well

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araldit:

wagnerrp: My backend shutsdown on idle

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pet:

anyone have time to help me troubleshooting mythtv 0.23 after ubuntu 9.10->10.04 'upgrade'?

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araldit:

wagnerrp: I think I will have to issue a bug request then. It must be a bug when the menu in myth saying exit and shutdown cant shutdown.

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wagnerrp:

exit and shutdown should work if you have the shutdown script defined on that host

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wagnerrp:

in fact, it shouldnt even show up if you dont have the shutdown script defined on that host

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araldit:

wagnerrp: But then, where is it defined

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wagnerrp:

probably mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

since thats generally handled by the backend

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araldit:

wagnerrp: Yeah, there is a shutdown script defined in there, but its for the backend to use.

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wagnerrp:

there is a major rewrite of the settings planned for 0.25, hopefully all this stuff gets reorganized at that point

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araldit:

wagnerrp: Good to hear. Im beginning setting a dev session up my self. Would be nice to change some of these annoying things as they come.

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pet:

after ubuntu 9.10->10.04 (also updates mythtv to 0.23) the frontend claims it can not connect to the backend. database and backend running, on frontend startup it is able to access all the settings but after kicking up the UI, I get errormessage MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.255.4:6543 (try 1 of 1) Connection to master server timed out. Everything worked ok before the OS upgrade

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wagnerrp:

is that even a valid address

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wagnerrp:

i didnt think you were allowed to use 255

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wagnerrp:

that was reserved for broadcast stuff

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pet:

ip.address is correct, if I run mythfrontend -v all, then the connection messages start like: 2010-07–17 00:49:46.593 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.255

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pet:

.4

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pet:

2010-07–17 00:49:46.593 MSqlQuery::exec(DBManager0) SELECT data FROM settings WH

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pet:

ERE value = 'runfrontendinwindow' AND hostname = 'petkoti1' <<<< Returns 1 row(s

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pet:

)

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pet:

after that the frontend starts, and starts getting info from the database like 2010-07–17 00:49:46.986 MSqlQuery::exec(DBManager0) SELECT data FROM settings WH

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pet:

ERE value = 'lcdshowtime' AND hostname = 'petkoti1' <<<< Returns 1 row(s)

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wagnerrp:

is your backend still set to listen on that address? (and not 127.0.0.1)

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, it has to be

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pet:

the 1st error in the -v all output is 2010-07–17 00:49:48.175 MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.255.4:6543 (try 1 of 1)

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pet:

2010-07–17 00:49:48.175 MythSocket(a0fe458:49): new socket

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pet:

2010-07–17 00:49:48.175 MythSocket(a0fe458:49): attempting connect() to (192.168.255.4:6543)

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pet:

2010-07–17 00:49:48.175 MythSocket(a0fe458:49): connect() failed (ConnectionRefused)

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wagnerrp:

firewall maybe?

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pet:

beats me :), the backend seems to be up:

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pet:

pet@petkoti1:~$ sudo lsof -i -n -P|grep mythback

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pet:

[sudo] password for pet:

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pet:

mythbacke 1105 mythtv 0u IPv4 4736 0t0 TCP 192.168.255.4:54052->192.168.255.4:3306 (ESTABLISHED)

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pet:

mythbacke 1105 mythtv 7u IPv4 4719 0t0 TCP 192.168.255.4:54051->192.168.255.4:3306 (ESTABLISHED)

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pet:

mythbacke 1105 mythtv 8u IPv4 4753 0t0 TCP 192.168.255.4:54053->192.168.255.4:3306 (ESTABLISHED)

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pet:

but if it is the firewall, how then during the startup the frontend is able to get the settings from the db?

[06:38:18]

wagnerrp:

dont know what to tell you

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pet:

not sure how to test whether the connection to the socket is blocked

[06:39:33]

wagnerrp:

if youre getting ConnectionRefused, you are

[06:41:16]

wagnerrp:

check your backend logs to see why its not listening on that socket

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pet:

first a couple of these:

[06:43:58]

pet:

2010-07–17 00:41:54.742 New DB connection, total: 1

[06:43:58]

pet:

2010-07–17 00:41:54.749 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.255.4

[06:43:59]

pet:

2010-07–17 00:41:54.752 Closing DB connection named 'DBManager0'

[06:43:59]

pet:

2010-07–17 00:41:54.755 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.255.4

[06:43:59]

pet:

2010-07–17 00:41:54.763 Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1254

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pet:

2010-07–17 00:41:54.768 MythBackend: Starting up as the master server.

[06:44:03]

pet:

2010-07–17 00:41:54.775 New DB connection, total: 2

[06:44:05]

pet:

2010-07–17 00:41:54.777 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.255.4

[06:44:07]

pet:

2010-07–17 00:41:54.782 New DB connection, total: 3

[06:44:09]

pet:

2010-07–17 00:41:54.787 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.255.4

[06:44:12]

pet:

but then

[06:44:13]

pet:

2010-07–17 00:55:19.356 UPnPautoconf() – No UPnP backends found

[06:44:15]

pet:

2010-07–17 00:55:19.359 No UPnP backends found

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pet:

No UPnP backends found

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wagnerrp:

please dont paste more than 2 lines in a time into the channel

[06:44:19]

pet:

Would you like to configure the database connection now? [no]

[06:44:21]

pet:

[console is not interactive, using default 'no']

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pet:

2010-07–17 00:55:19.379 Deleting UPnP client...

[06:44:27]

pet:

2010-07–17 00:55:19.381 QMulticastSocket: setsockopt – IP_ADD_MEMBERSHIP Error

[06:44:29]

pet:

2010-07–17 00:55:20.600 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.

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pet:

sorry

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wagnerrp:

so your database access is not set up

[06:44:53]

wagnerrp:

and since the backend is not being run interactively, it is closing

[06:44:58]

wagnerrp:

your backend is /not/ running

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pet:

ps ax|grep mythback returns a running process

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pet:

1105 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/mythbackend --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --user mythtv

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend is not the backend process

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pet:

ok, what is the backend process?

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wagnerrp:

in mythbuntu, mythbackend is just a wrapper script, and the real backend process has been moved to mythbackend.real

[06:47:08]

wagnerrp:

(i think)

[06:47:25]

wagnerrp:

i know mythtv-setup and mythfrontend are wrapped, mythbackend may not be

[06:47:54]

pet:

pet@petkoti1:/var/log/mythtv$ file /usr/bin/mythbackend

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pet:

/usr/bin/mythbackend: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped

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pet:

doesn't seem to be wrapper

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wagnerrp:

the logs say the backend exited

[06:49:11]

wagnerrp:

who knows what that thing is

[06:49:17]

wagnerrp:

did you manually run the backend on your own?

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** cesman wonders why all the wrappers... **

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pet:

tried just now by running as root: sudo /usr/bin/mythbackend --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --user mythtv

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pet:

previously run with /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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wagnerrp:

cesman: its so they can do things like ensure the backend is running before you run the frontend

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wagnerrp:

or close the backend prior to running mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

pet: you must have a /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt defining the database access credentials

[06:54:09]

wagnerrp:

ive never used mythbuntu

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pet:

not mythbuntu, Ubuntu with mythtv installed

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wagnerrp:

and they screw with the environment to rearrange things from where i and mythtv normally expect stuff to be

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wagnerrp:

pet: same thing

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wagnerrp:

youll probably get better help in #mythbuntu

[06:54:48]

pet:

thanks

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araldit:

pet: I use mythbuntu

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araldit:

pet: Whats you problem

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araldit:

pet: I remember that I had to specify the right user to run the backend, else it wouldnt find the right configuration files

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wagnerrp:

if you do things as they document and expect, your user and environment will be set up properly automatically

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pet:

nope

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araldit:

wa

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araldit:

ups

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pet:

had a running system ubuntu 9.10 with the supported 0.22 and made OS upgrade which also updates mythtv to 0.22 which broke a functioning setup

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araldit:

pet: I had to add the line: USER=mythtv in my /etc/default/mythtv-backend file.. Dont know if thats you problem though

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araldit:

pet: Wird IP by the way

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araldit:

wagnerrp: It works like a charm with the remote control shutdown button. Thanks. Im using a PS3 remote because of the bluetooth, but it doesn't have a shutdown button. What remote do u use?

[07:06:34]

wagnerrp:

mceusb

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wagnerrp:

anyone know their way around regexs?

[07:08:07]

pet:

on a very limited level

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dustybin:

hello\nworld\n

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jstenback:

wagnerrp: would a change like:

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jstenback:

-#!/usr/local/bin/python

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jstenback:

+#!/usr/bin/env python

[07:09:23]

jstenback:

be ok to take for mythtv/bindings/python/scripts/mythpython ?

[07:09:44]

jstenback:

such that the script would work for those who don't have python installed in /usr/local/bin?

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wagnerrp:

no

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jstenback:

ok then

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wagnerrp:

are you running 0.23 or trunk?

[07:10:29]

jstenback:

.23

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wagnerrp:

ah, well in trunk, that would be irrelevant

[07:10:53]

wagnerrp:

the bang path is replaced by the installer

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jstenback:

I hacked it locally, so no worries here, just wondering for others...

[07:11:22]

jstenback:

ah, ok

[07:11:27]

jstenback:

no worries then

[07:11:28]

jstenback:

thanks!

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wagnerrp:

i should probably change that in -fixes...

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wagnerrp:

especially considering most linux distros install to /usr/bin/python

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wagnerrp:

rendering that program broken

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jstenback:

yeah...

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wagnerrp:

done

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jstenback:

wagnerrp: excellent, thank you!

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paras:

why doesn't mythtv auto-transcode new recordings altough i set it in it's configuration ?

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paras:

why doesn't mythtv auto-transcode new recordings altough i set it in it's configuration ?

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justinh:

why doesn't anybody ever look in logs for clues when mythtv isn't doing what they expect?

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Beirdo:

because they are lazy? :)

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ofgj:

hello i've got a problem with mythtv, recordings aren't stored correctly... please take a look at http://mythtv.pastebin.com/8UiSDESN thank you very much in advance

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Beirdo:

time to head to the hotel. 6am. BLAH

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justinh:

wow that's one very short log

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ofgj:

justinh: there's more, if you like to see the whole thing, i can paste it

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ofgj:

justinh: i only pasted the part that was generated when trying to open the file

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justinh:

ofgj: that log excerpt doesn't show anything of interest. we often find users doing this miss things

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justinh:

ofgj: yes, that's the *symptom*

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justinh:

but not the underlying *cause* which is likely somewhere else in the logfile

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ofgj:

justinh: jep ok mompls

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justinh:

good so far though.. mythbackend runs as a user with write permission on the dir where recordings are stored. that's a start

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justinh:

so whatever's wrong isn't that mythbackend can't write files

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justinh:

long mom, this

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bjd:

your mom!

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ofgj:

justinh: ok so i pasted the whole thing – you need to know that the early errors (no database connection etc.) weren't my fault – they occured directly after the installation – i already solved them http://mythtv.pastebin.com/ujYmRfx3

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ofgj:

justinh: had to

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justinh:

usually all log since the last backend startup is enough

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justinh:

looks like there are still issues connecting to mysql

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ofgj:

justinh: sorry i know i had to accept a package from the mailman – this is why it took so long :-/ — mom i'll take a second look on it too

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ofgj:

justinh: maybe only mathweb can establish a correct mysql connection?

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ofgj:

justinh: i manually entered the password into the configuration dialogue and into /etc/mythtv/config.xml because after the installation no passwords were set there although there is one set for the mythtv-db-user

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bugger:

hi all – i'm running mythtv on linux – i can't play dvd's, it says it can't find the root device

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bugger:

the device apparently is /dev/sr0 although it's an ide dvd drive

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bugger:

ogle can't find the dvd drive either

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bugger:

any suggestions what i should be doing?

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bugger:

there's no /dev/hd* devices or /dev/cdrom* devices in /dev

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oobe:

bugger, you question is to do with configuring linux and udev rules to make sure your ide device is detected correctly

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bugger:

oobe: yeah and that seems to not be happening although when i hit optical drives play dvd it does list my drives as sr0 and sr1

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bugger:

with correct names

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bugger:

it just can't access them

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bugger:

but yeah it is really a debian problem

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oobe:

have you tryed mounting data disks with the same drive or burning dvd's

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oobe:

that is the first thing i would do to make sure fstab and udev were setup correctly

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bugger:

it seems not to be

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bugger:

for some reason i just can't access /dev/sr0

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bugger:

i've tried chmod 777'ing it

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bugger:

hrmm just got mplayer to do it

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bugger:

maybe it is still permissions causing the problem

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oobe:

is there symlinks in /dev like /dev/dvd or /dev/cdrom

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oobe:

check where they are linked to

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oobe:

also check cat /var/log/messages | grep ATA

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oobe:

and cat /var/log/messages | grep ATAPI

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bugger:

yep ok for some reason now after the chmod i can play them in mplayer but in mythfrontend i get lock ups

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bugger:

just sits with blank screen

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oobe:

check the frontend logs

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bugger:

i'll check those logs

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bugger:

yup

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orly_owl:

is there a crt tv with vga input?

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oobe:

probably not

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orly_owl:

i should just use a monitor

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gbee:

anyone know where I can find out whether BD+ or just aacs is used on a Bluray disc before purchasing?

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oobe:

orly_owl, http://www.laikeet.com/catalog/images/CBA0_03.jpg somthing like that or variations of would work with a crt tv if it has composite

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orly_owl:

the video card needs to support that though

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oobe:

what card is it

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orly_owl:

radeon 7500

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oobe:

oh is this that mobo you bought a while ago

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oobe:

did you fix the cpu problem

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orly_owl:

uh no

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orly_owl:

this radeon 7500 is in a p3

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orly_owl:

i didnt fix the cpu :/

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orly_owl:

no one will lend me a cpu to upgrade the BIOS with

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oobe:

hmm

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oobe:

is this going to be a backend fe on the p3

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oobe:

it wont be very good

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orly_owl:

a p3 fe

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oobe:

ok

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orly_owl:

not sure what to make the be

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orly_owl:

maybe the coreboot pc

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orly_owl:

although rather make it my desktop

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orly_owl:

maybe it can be both!

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oobe:

i replaced my p4 fe it was fast enough for video playback but it was a bit frustrating to scroll through menus with the new ui themes

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oobe:

yea it can be both

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orly_owl:

what did you replace it with

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oobe:

since you run linux anyway

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orly_owl:

yeah trisquel

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orly_owl:

which will be tricky

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oobe:

most ppl who have backends that sole purpose is mythtv dont use linux as there main OS

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orly_owl:

ah

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oobe:

well thats an assumption

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oobe:

but i do

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orly_owl:

this way i could have a small box under the tv

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justinh:

bad assumption IMHO

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oobe:

and the backend just plods along with no real interference

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gbee:

v. bad assumption

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oobe:

i cant imagine having a dedicated backend

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justinh:

most people who don't want the expense or complexity of trying to build a small quiet capacious combined system for under the TV have backends solely assigned to mythtv

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oobe:

i never had one

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justinh:

right, so peg everybody else under the same banner then :)

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oobe:

i still have a remote frontend

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justinh:

most people running a mythtv backend *are* running linux :P

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orly_owl:

id also like irblaster to control the tv

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oobe:

all i mean is i dont use my backend pc strictly for mythtv

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oobe:

its a desktop it does all the normal things to

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justinh:

well so? most mortals don't have mail servers at home either :)

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oobe:

its not sitting in a cuboard waiting to record

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justinh:

this is all incidental

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oobe:

anyway the point is orly_owl you can use your existing linux install to run the backend

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orly_owl:

yeah i got that :)

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orly_owl:

before the fight started

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oobe:

as long as it has a tuner and other requirements etc.

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justinh:

and hoping to be able to use a ps3 as a frontend is.. er.. well a hope. good luck with that

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justinh:

whoah. where the heck did I get that from? lol

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** justinh winds his neck in **

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orly_owl:

there should be a decent looking miniatx case for fe

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justinh:

well yeah there should be, but there aren't that many

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orly_owl:

:/

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orly_owl:

i could do atx then

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orly_owl:

not too massive though

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justinh:

if any. I mean they all seem to have something wrong with them. front mounted ports with no cover to hide them...

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orly_owl:

oh thats not too bad

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justinh:

my LC02 case was about the best I could afford 5 years ago or so, but it's still just a box

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orly_owl:

also, is irblaster for the tv possible?

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gbee:

wonder if I can class these Bluray as development related and file an expense claim with MythTV Org :p

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justinh:

sure but it's much easier to use a universal remote

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oobe:

i spent ages looking at cases and writing up a list of parts

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oobe:

i ended up buying a tiny acer revo atom ion thing instead

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oobe:

tiny and silent much smaller than anything i could of built

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oobe:

might of turned out a bit cheaper too

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justinh:

my next frontend is mostly going to be... the backend machine.. hidden in the cupboard under the stairs

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gbee:

I still consider my be/fe case as one of the best purchases I've ever made, yes it has front ports which aren't hidden away but at least there is a logical reason for them to be at the front, unlike most HTPC cases which have at least one thing at the front which makes no sense and which cost 4x as much

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justinh:

audio ports have no place on the front of a HTPC case IMHO

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