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| [00:30:17] | scott2: | Hello, spent many hours getting mythbuntu sound over HDMI, upgraded alsa, new asound.conf. Works great. Now HDMI sound isn't working on desktop (eg. hulu, vlc, miro). I've tried 100 different asound.conf files. Speaker-test and aplay in terminal work if I define device, they do not work if using default |
| [00:30:43] | scott2: | Any help? |
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| [00:34:54] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: you around? |
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| [00:45:29] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: I set a security pin on my mythbackend, I see the python library accessing the backend but comes back with could not find database login creds |
| [00:45:33] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: any thoughts? |
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| [01:07:10] | iamlindoro: | Mmmmmmmmm |
| [01:07:21] | ** iamlindoro becomes the first person to play encrypted Blu-ray with Myth ** | |
| [01:08:01] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: I think I found a bug in the MythTV Python Bindings |
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| [01:14:05] | ekristen: | iamlindoro: you a dev on mythtv? I forget |
| [01:14:13] | iamlindoro: | yes, I am a Myth dev |
| [01:14:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: nice!!!! ;-) Now if I only had a BR drive... ;-) |
| [01:14:28] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, It won' |
| [01:14:51] | iamlindoro: | er It won't play *every* disk, still not real BD+ support, but most of the ones before this year's disks ought to basically work |
| [01:15:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Still, awesome progress.... ;-) |
| [01:15:15] | iamlindoro: | basically any AACS-only disk with MKBv10 or less |
| [01:15:19] | ekristen: | iamlindoro: whats the best way to submit a patch? |
| [01:15:42] | iamlindoro: | ekristen, By opening a ticket at svn.mythtv.org |
| [01:15:57] | ekristen: | roger |
| [01:16:24] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, That said, since most of my disks are not from this year, every single one of them plays |
| [01:16:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: very nice. ;-) |
| [01:17:28] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, My most recent disk is The Dark Knight, for reference, which plays perfectly |
| [01:17:45] | iamlindoro: | Including chapter navigation, support for all the audio tracks, subtitles, etc. |
| [01:19:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | That's awesome... |
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| [01:39:38] | GreyFoxx: | iaml: Awesome! |
| [01:41:01] | iamlindoro: | Seriously :) |
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| [01:42:54] | iamlindoro: | The only deficiencies I can think of are 1) Menus (which we will get when BD-J and the HDMV code mature in libbluray), 2) BD+ support (which will come with time), and 3) would be nice to hook it in to libdvdread to allow unifying the Optical Disk playback behavior |
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| [01:44:45] | Twiggy2cents: | hey I have a quick question. I just installed a new hdd for recordings and redirected nuvexportrc and the directories in mythbackend setup to the appropriate places on the new drive. But Im stuck with two avi videos Ive already deleted |
| [01:44:55] | Twiggy2cents: | They are on mythweb and mythfrontend |
| [01:45:11] | Twiggy2cents: | I tried removing them from videometadata in the db but they come back. |
| [01:45:32] | Twiggy2cents: | I can still watch them but they are not there. Any idea? |
| [01:45:47] | iamlindoro: | If you can still watch them, they *are* there |
| [01:46:30] | Twiggy2cents: | yes but they dont show up when ls'ing the folder or in a file manager |
| [01:47:17] | Twiggy2cents: | I cant find an option on mythfrontend to delete them. Nor can I find one on mythweb |
| [01:52:18] | wagnerrp: | im surprised the mythbuntu guys didnt find #8660 first |
| [01:52:55] | wagnerrp: | i thought they reconfigured MCC to use UPNP detection through the python bindings |
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| [01:55:52] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: you here? I saw the update to the ticket |
| [01:56:25] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thanks for the catch |
| [01:56:43] | wagnerrp: | too much copy/paste when doing the reorg a month ago |
| [01:57:01] | ekristen: | no worries man, glad I could help out --- I had a question for you |
| [01:57:02] | wagnerrp: | ive got a script that is supposed to check for regressions like that |
| [01:57:17] | wagnerrp: | but it doesnt work on upnp, because im running it on an aliased network address |
| [01:57:26] | Twiggy2cents: | do you guys know where the video manager is for mythtv? |
| [01:57:32] | wagnerrp: | Twiggy2cents: gone |
| [01:57:41] | ekristen: | how do I get my db and myth proto to the 1259 and 57? |
| [01:57:46] | ekristen: | what version do I need to be running? |
| [01:57:56] | wagnerrp: | what is complaining? |
| [01:58:07] | Twiggy2cents: | so how are you supposed to delete videos from its list? |
| [01:58:14] | ekristen: | MythDB, says my schema's don't match |
| [01:58:15] | wagnerrp: | 'd' |
| [01:58:23] | wagnerrp: | the python bindings are complaining? |
| [01:58:32] | wagnerrp: | whats the exact error |
| [01:59:27] | ekristen: | one second |
| [01:59:42] | wagnerrp: | i dont need the traceback, just the one line returned by the exception |
| [02:00:06] | wagnerrp: | should have 'database speaks version X, we speak version Y' |
| [02:01:02] | ekristen: | mythtv.exceptions.MythDBError: Mismatched schema version for 'DBSchemaVer': database speaks version 1254, we speak version 1259 |
| [02:01:19] | wagnerrp: | are you trying to use the trunk bindings against 0.23-fixes? |
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| [02:02:40] | ekristen: | probably ;) |
| [02:02:49] | ekristen: | i figured as much |
| [02:03:25] | ekristen: | i went and looked at the 23 branch bindings and they are before the redesign |
| [02:03:49] | wagnerrp: | technically, the 0.23 bindings were the /big/ redesign |
| [02:03:50] | ekristen: | and I found that telling the bindings they can work with schema 1254 doesn't work either |
| [02:04:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Holy bleep... they stopped the oil spill? |
| [02:04:08] | wagnerrp: | the ones in trunk are a lesser redesign after ive had a couple months to figure out what im doing |
| [02:04:45] | ekristen: | well the ones in 23 don't match the documentation I am assuming the new and correct ones are the ones in the trunk? |
| [02:05:07] | wagnerrp: | the ones in 0.23 match the documentation on the wiki |
| [02:05:10] | wagnerrp: | the ones in trunk do not |
| [02:06:20] | ekristen: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/tags/relea . . . ython/MythTV <-- this is what I should be using? |
| [02:06:25] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Python_bindings/Upcoming is intended to document the changes between the documentation, and what exists in trunk |
| [02:08:30] | wagnerrp: | anyone around who has actually used the PVR-350 hardware accelerated output? |
| [02:08:45] | ekristen: | ok so trunk i what is to come? |
| [02:08:58] | wagnerrp: | trunk is the current development version |
| [02:08:59] | ekristen: | so trunk is what is to come* |
| [02:09:09] | wagnerrp: | due out as 0.24 in two months or so |
| [02:09:24] | ekristen: | gotcha |
| [02:09:29] | ekristen: | I am following you now |
| [02:09:39] | ekristen: | so I guess I really need to use http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/tags/relea . . . ython/MythTV until 24 release |
| [02:09:43] | ekristen: | ;) |
| [02:10:08] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use it now, use -fixes |
| [02:10:18] | wagnerrp: | if youre developing something new, use trunk |
| [02:10:23] | ekristen: | gotcha |
| [02:10:35] | ekristen: | well my backend isnt on trunk |
| [02:10:54] | ekristen: | so ill have to stick with fixes |
| [02:11:07] | wagnerrp: | neither is mine, i run a development one in a jail (security sandbox), which is why my regression test for upnp failed |
| [02:13:24] | ekristen: | how do you populate it with data? |
| [02:13:51] | wagnerrp: | ive got a HDHR that can be used by any backend on the network to record |
| [02:14:10] | wagnerrp: | and ive got a few junk files from /dev/random for fake videos |
| [02:15:14] | ekristen: | like this? http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun/atsc/ |
| [02:15:31] | wagnerrp: | thats the one |
| [02:15:37] | ekristen: | you in the US? |
| [02:15:41] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [02:15:51] | ekristen: | whose your provider? |
| [02:16:12] | wagnerrp: | provider of...? |
| [02:16:29] | ekristen: | tv? comcast, fios, etc |
| [02:16:33] | Wicked: | if a provider is only providing the picture with no sound on the local channels...is that provider breaking the law? |
| [02:16:40] | wagnerrp: | cable, insight |
| [02:17:00] | ekristen: | are all your channels unencrypted? |
| [02:17:26] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: either theyre breaking the must-carry laws, or they are breaking their licensing agreement with that channel.... or theyre just incompetent |
| [02:17:39] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: nope, just the broadcast channels |
| [02:17:57] | Wicked: | my friend is saying comcast is only providing picture and not audio on the locals |
| [02:18:00] | ekristen: | so those are the only channels you can stream with that I take it? |
| [02:18:12] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [02:18:18] | ekristen: | bummer |
| [02:18:19] | wagnerrp: | everything else is analog, off a pair of 150s |
| [02:19:27] | ekristen: | I'm on fios I need to damn STBS |
| [02:19:30] | ekristen: | STBs* |
| [02:19:34] | ekristen: | oops sorry language |
| [02:19:41] | ekristen: | I need the dumb STBs* |
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| [02:20:55] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: thanks for the help — time for me to go |
| [02:20:57] | ekristen: | night |
| [02:21:00] | ekristen: | i'll be in touch |
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| [02:37:52] | Beirdo: | hrm? |
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| [02:53:11] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i think you scolded him for language at some point |
| [02:57:33] | Beirdo: | probably a few times :) |
| [02:57:46] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you have ipv6? |
| [02:59:37] | wagnerrp: | have it? yes... have it working? no |
| [02:59:50] | Beirdo: | k |
| [02:59:54] | wagnerrp: | i could probably have it working on short order |
| [03:00:11] | wagnerrp: | but i couldnt figure out how to get dhcp running, so i left it unfinished |
| [03:00:11] | Beirdo: | I think my home network may have gotten a power reset.. |
| [03:00:27] | Beirdo: | or my ipv6 tunnel provider is having issues |
| [03:00:58] | Beirdo: | it was working half an hour ago... now... nothing |
| [03:01:04] | Beirdo: | and I'm 3000 miles away |
| [03:01:06] | Beirdo: | or something |
| [03:01:07] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:01:34] | Beirdo: | no route to host in the provider's ipv6 network |
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| [03:01:48] | Beirdo: | seems my tunnel is not being nice to me |
| [03:04:30] | Beirdo: | sigh |
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| [03:08:32] | Beirdo: | betcha it just dropped the tunnel for some dumb reason (or power issues) |
| [03:08:34] | Beirdo: | I'll deal |
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| [03:41:13] | ** wagnerrp debates switching back to trunk... ** | |
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| [04:07:47] | wagnerrp: | wtf... samsung 600Hz TV? |
| [04:10:53] | [R]: | you told me trunk killed kitties! |
| [04:11:36] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt kill kitties |
| [04:11:59] | wagnerrp: | it merely reprocesses them into a protein slurry, that we feed to the army of asian child programmers out back |
| [04:12:14] | [R]: | ROFL |
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| [08:30:20] | Beirdo: | mmm, my hands smell like cigars |
| [08:30:32] | Beirdo: | better go wash em again |
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| [09:51:39] | justinh: | doin da de-frag. oh yea |
| [09:53:01] | justinh: | so come on UK peeps. nobody else rescanned lately & found radio channels & possibly a handful of telly channels renumbered with underscores preceeding the channum? |
| [09:54:28] | justinh: | I'll prolly have to investigate on another machine. can't spare the production system for trying it out |
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| [10:34:24] | oobe: | we are getting a new channel soon |
| [10:34:33] | oobe: | that does news 24/7 |
| [10:34:39] | oobe: | that should be good |
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| [10:40:56] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [10:41:01] | justinh: | new in the uk you mean? |
| [10:41:12] | justinh: | rolling news all sucks anyway, no matter who provides it |
| [10:41:53] | justinh: | as if putting a correspondent on the scene adds anything to the information or context a news service can provide anyway |
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| [10:44:30] | oobe: | no new in aus rather |
| [10:44:37] | oobe: | me an in australia |
| [10:44:37] | justinh: | ah |
| [10:44:45] | justinh: | well all rolling news still sucks IMHO |
| [10:45:00] | oobe: | all news is good news |
| [10:45:09] | oobe: | no sorry no news is good news |
| [10:45:17] | oobe: | so by that logic all news should suck |
| [10:45:27] | justinh: | so you mean to say that before now the only way you had news on TV before was the specific bulletins? |
| [10:45:38] | oobe: | yea pretty much |
| [10:45:41] | justinh: | heh |
| [10:45:47] | justinh: | we've got 2 here. Sky & BBC |
| [10:45:50] | oobe: | we have the set times plus bullitens |
| [10:46:00] | justinh: | oh and Sky also have a rolling sports news channel lol |
| [10:46:09] | oobe: | but I'm not a newsaholic |
| [10:46:46] | oobe: | I often find out about things a year or 2 later and am like oh wow did you know this and people are like where have you been |
| [10:46:46] | justinh: | I listen to the Today programme on Radio four on the way to work most mornings. And PM on my way home. Very little changes in the meantime |
| [10:47:40] | justinh: | our rolling news channels seem to be the same hour regurgitated every hour interspersed with actual programming |
| [10:48:23] | oobe: | yea that is what i expect abc4 to be like |
| [10:48:39] | oobe: | repeating stuff through out the day until somthing changes |
| [10:48:50] | oobe: | but the advantage is you can watch it when ever |
| [10:49:18] | oobe: | and perhaps abc1 will stop play news altogether so there is more to choose from |
| [10:49:25] | oobe: | that would be the best part |
| [10:49:38] | justinh: | I also record the local news slots. watch that whenever I like. no need to be there at 6.30pm :) |
| [10:50:12] | justinh: | record in this time slot every day. keep 1 episode, record new & expire old :) |
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| [10:51:27] | oobe: | nice i just found a way to get older versions of flash http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/ |
| [10:51:46] | oobe: | I had to downgrade flash a few weeks back and it was a hassle finding an older version |
| [10:52:10] | justinh: | heh. there's another site I've used for old versions of software before |
| [10:52:29] | justinh: | oldversion.com funnily enough |
| [10:53:06] | justinh: | they don't stock flash though |
| [10:54:03] | justinh: | still waiting for Adobe to get with the program & start outputting video synced to the vertical refresh rate |
| [10:54:15] | justinh: | well not just video actually. all redrawing |
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| [10:55:00] | justinh: | it's funny though, I've seen some sites which use flash streaming that don't exhibit tearing. |
| [10:55:48] | justinh: | hpf. actual 3483, ideal 1310, fragmentation factor 62.39% after more than an hour :-\ |
| [10:55:51] | oobe: | html5 is really promising |
| [10:56:06] | oobe: | hopefully in a few years people will be like flash what? |
| [10:56:12] | justinh: | nah it's not. it needs open codecs & widespread adoption |
| [10:56:42] | oobe: | it will get widespread adoption eventually |
| [10:56:50] | oobe: | i dont know about the codecs |
| [10:56:53] | justinh: | it's too late IMHO |
| [10:57:18] | justinh: | the big thing about flash is that content delivery control is embedded inside |
| [10:57:46] | justinh: | you can't (easily) get inside the script & get to the video stream itself |
| [10:58:56] | oobe: | do you know any reliable ways to watch asf |
| [10:59:06] | justinh: | nope |
| [10:59:20] | oobe: | i got a really good instuctional series but some of the videos are really flaky with queueing |
| [10:59:26] | justinh: | if it ends in .asx, .asf, .wmv, .wma etc I just ignore it |
| [10:59:37] | oobe: | and when i search i only find people with worse symptoms than what i have |
| [10:59:55] | oobe: | i dont have that choice with some content i like |
| [11:00:06] | oobe: | mainly educational or fetish pron |
| [11:00:27] | oobe: | i can do without the later but me likey the learny thingy's |
| [11:00:34] | justinh: | if VLC doesn't like it, then it's back to WMP |
| [11:00:47] | oobe: | ah i dont use windows at all |
| [11:01:03] | oobe: | except in a vm to test things which probably wouldnt do video playback |
| [11:06:23] | gbee: | justinh: are you using the increased block size? |
| [11:07:03] | gbee: | doesn't stop the fragmentation, but it makes a big difference to the speed and ultimate level of fragmentation |
| [11:08:27] | justinh: | gbee: I honestly can't remember |
| [11:08:57] | justinh: | UID=c4d471c3-cdbf-49e9-b10d-bab2b22533d7 /video xfs defaults,allocsize=512m 0 0 |
| [11:09:09] | justinh: | so that's a yes then, I think |
| [11:15:16] | gbee: | yeah |
| [11:16:09] | oobe: | i worry i would be wasting disk space by doing that trick |
| [11:16:24] | oobe: | does it really increase performance |
| [11:17:28] | oobe: | actually im already happy with how fast i access my videos from myth so i probably could do with not trying to fix things that arnt broken |
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| [11:26:22] | justinh: | recently I've noticed seeing the 'please wait...' message onscreen a lot less – since I added a new SG |
| [11:26:37] | justinh: | oops I mean a new partition to the existing SG |
| [11:27:00] | rv1s: | hello together, i'd like to set up a htpc using mythtv and i also own a server which should be used for storing recorded videos etc. – so it's clear that the server needs to be configured as backend and the htpc as frontend... but the frontend should run if the server is shut down, too. there are various modes like secondary backend (...) – which modes do you recommend for the server and the... |
| [11:27:01] | rv1s: | ...htpc? thank you very much in advance |
| [11:28:14] | justinh: | if you wanna record tv on the server then you ain't gonna be doing any while it's shut down :P |
| [11:28:24] | oobe: | well i put defrag in cron weekly that seems to keep things snappy |
| [11:31:09] | justinh: | the problem with shutting down a backend periodically when you've got a frontend that relies on it is that.. mythfrontend totally relies on mythbackend running. that is not optional |
| [11:31:10] | rv1s: | justinh: the htpc has a dvb-s2 tuner card and a harddisk, too, so it could run as a standalone machine – but there is more storage in the server and i'd like to use that for recordings, too... futhermore the server also hosts a dvb-t receiver |
| [11:31:55] | justinh: | a frontend can wake up a backend machine though.. so long as it can use WoL |
| [11:33:56] | justinh: | if you want this notional 'htpc' machine to do any recording you'll have to run mythbackend on it |
| [11:34:19] | justinh: | but if you were planning to do any kind of remote storage it's unrealistic to have it 'sometimes there' |
| [11:35:32] | justinh: | so really whatever motivation you might have for powering down the 'server' – you have to question whether saving money is more important than convenience. you can't have it all ways |
| [11:36:04] | rv1s: | justinh: the server is running 24/7 i only want the client to run even when there's a hardware failure or something like that... is it possible to add remote storage to a local storage group? or asked in a different way: if i mount a nfs/cifs/... share on the htpc would mythtv be able to handle it if the share isn't mounted (when the server is down)? |
| [11:36:49] | justinh: | AFAIK myth can deal with SGs not being there sometimes but it's important to note that if you don't have space available locally when a remote SG is offline you're screwed |
| [11:37:51] | justinh: | as for hardware failure.. what use is a tv viewing HTPC that can't access the remote store? |
| [11:39:25] | justinh: | personally my backend & frontend are on different machines & FWIW I couldn't care less that the frontend will be useless if the backend goes down |
| [11:39:29] | rv1s: | you could still watch tv normally ... mh ok i think i'll just install it the normal way using a master backend and the frontend |
| [11:39:43] | justinh: | if the backend goes down, it goes down & I have to fix it quick |
| [11:40:27] | rv1s: | maybe it's more use to help me regarding this question: what is the difference between a master and a secondary backend |
| [11:40:54] | justinh: | no real difference |
| [11:41:05] | justinh: | other than the MBE is the one the scheduler runs on AFAIK |
| [11:41:43] | justinh: | generally the MBE is also the machine the DB is hosted on too, but that needn't be the case |
| [11:45:00] | rv1s: | mhm ok thanks... one further question: (i haven't got all the hardware yet – so i cannot test it, just wanna see if there is some experience) do you think it will work to output the htpc's sound using the optical out of the sound card? does this work in general? or will it take a lot of time to get that working? |
| [11:45:29] | justinh: | in my experience it depends on how good with ALSA you are |
| [11:45:36] | justinh: | but no, in theory it should be simples |
| [11:46:07] | rv1s: | k thank you very much and have a nice day |
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| [11:46:48] | justinh: | I ver much plan to have a nice day. I have a suspicion there's going to be a surprise congregation around my desk today at around 3pm |
| [11:47:12] | justinh: | I hate those things, but they're well-meant so I'll let em off |
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| [12:03:12] | gbee: | justinh: happy birthday |
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| [12:06:10] | justinh: | heh no, going off on paternity leave soonish |
| [12:08:02] | justinh: | if it was my birthday there'd have already been an enquiry into why I didn't bring cake |
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| [12:13:30] | gbee: | heh, took a gamble |
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| [12:14:20] | justinh: | so did we. hence Monday ;-) |
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| [12:16:00] | gbee: | rofl |
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| [12:38:52] | justinh: | and for my next trick.. sending HDMI over a flat ribbon cable. the things we do round here to reduce cost |
| [12:43:33] | oobe: | flat ribbon cable? is that cheaper |
| [12:43:49] | oobe: | i havent seen hdmi ribbon cable |
| [12:45:45] | clever: | the hdmi's we got here are flat, but its not normal ribbon cable (like IDE) |
| [12:50:51] | AndyCap: | justinh: flat or twisted pairs? :P |
| [12:50:57] | justinh: | no not hdmi ribbon cable. just ribbon cable |
| [12:51:03] | justinh: | not twisted either |
| [12:51:06] | AndyCap: | Win. :P |
| [12:51:27] | justinh: | flat flex ribbon as used on things like LCD internals etc |
| [12:51:47] | justinh: | kiss that certification goodbye |
| [12:52:27] | justinh: | I'm optimistic about it though – HDMI bus transceivers are pretty smart |
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| [13:07:29] | mag0o: | OK, if I've exported recordings via Optical Discs > Archive Files > Create Archive > Output type = File, how can I import those on another box? When I go through the same path but use Import Archive instead of Export Archive, I point it to the generated XML file then get an error that it isn't a valid archive. |
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| [13:08:45] | mag0o: | ahh |
| [13:08:45] | mag0o: | nm |
| [13:09:07] | mag0o: | so, how do i get the highlighted xml file to be selected into the file input field... |
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| [13:22:53] | rileyp: | has anyone installed mythpodcaster on ubuntu I'd really like to but Im struggling http://code.google.com/p/mythpodcaster/wiki/Installation as this is for redhat I think |
| [13:24:13] | AvidGamer: | If anyone is around to lend a hand, could you please take a look at http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/installation- . . . oblem-s.html and see if you can help me out getting the frontend working, thanks =] |
| [13:25:25] | mag0o: | fyi, i got the import working |
| [13:25:52] | mag0o: | rileyp: have you gotten it installed? |
| [13:26:35] | rileyp: | no |
| [13:27:11] | rileyp: | at present i have sudo apt get installed tomcat6 ... |
| [13:28:22] | mag0o: | ah, well i was going to say if you got it installed, it won't create podcasts of old shows apparently, just from the install point onward |
| [13:28:25] | rileyp: | I installed alien hoping i could use it to convert the mythpodcaster rpm package to a deb but it complians |
| [13:28:40] | mag0o: | as far as installing on ubuntu, i haven't a clue, i did get it going on slackware though |
| [13:28:47] | rileyp: | thats ok by me |
| [13:29:09] | rileyp: | as long it works |
| [13:29:49] | mag0o: | i'm not versed in ubuntu installs, sorry |
| [13:31:01] | rileyp: | sudo alien --to-deb mythpodcaster-0.0.8–1.fc12.noarch.rpm |
| [13:31:02] | rileyp: | error: incorrect format: unknown tag |
| [13:31:02] | rileyp: | Warning: Skipping conversion of scripts in package mythpodcaster: postinst |
| [13:31:02] | rileyp: | Warning: Use the --scripts parameter to include the scripts. |
| [13:31:34] | mag0o: | since it's a noarch package you may be good to go just installing it via the rpm instructions, but i can't guarantee that |
| [13:33:02] | rileyp: | they have a few differnt packages avaialbe a binanry a source and the no arch |
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| [13:33:31] | rileyp: | oh sorry didnt read what you typed |
| [13:34:12] | rileyp: | properly when i try to install via rpm it suggested using alien but i could force with a -f |
| [13:34:33] | rileyp: | I was a bit scared to use the -f |
| [13:35:03] | rileyp: | as im far from skilled at linux |
| [13:35:31] | justinh: | hahahaha it works at 1080p AND with a 15 metre HDMI cable |
| [13:36:44] | rileyp: | justinh 15m is asupposibly the limit or thereabouts |
| [13:37:04] | rileyp: | they suggest 10m normally? as max |
| [13:37:09] | justinh: | yeah but not with 9 inches of unscreened untwisted 1mm pitch flat ribbon cable in the way |
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| [13:37:51] | justinh: | currently some of our products with HDMI get the signals to the outside world via an internal HDMI plug to socket cable |
| [13:38:09] | justinh: | trouble is, they're like $$$, and they're comparatively heavy |
| [13:38:26] | justinh: | so our CEO says.. get rid of the internal HDMI cable |
| [13:38:50] | justinh: | I've been testing out various lower cost/weight scenarios |
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| [13:41:24] | AvidGamer: | If anyone is around to lend a hand, could you please take a look at http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/installation- . . . oblem-s.html and see if you can help me out getting the frontend working, thanks =] |
| [13:41:40] | AvidGamer: | oops, total mistake ^^ =[ sorry |
| [13:42:10] | AvidGamer: | but feel free to take a look anyway lol =] |
| [13:42:12] | justinh: | just reply to it saying BUMP |
| [13:45:31] | CyberKnet: | Nothing better than looking at a thread 50 times because it keeps coming back to the top of the list on account of someone keeps BUMPing it despite nobody knowing the answer for the past six months. |
| [13:45:36] | CyberKnet: | That's always thrilling. |
| [13:45:49] | CyberKnet: | ^--- BUMP |
| [13:45:55] | rileyp: | AvidGamer do you have your video setting correct on the front end. |
| [13:46:28] | ** CyberKnet wonders what it is about #m-u that brings out his inner BOFH ** | |
| [13:46:41] | rileyp: | is it laggy before even selcting live tv? |
| [13:47:10] | AvidGamer: | rileyp, video playback profile is just set to normal |
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| [13:47:38] | rileyp: | is it laggy before even selcting live tv? |
| [13:47:54] | AvidGamer: | nope, perfectly fine |
| [13:48:59] | rileyp: | ok myth often if set to opengl will not playback if your vid driver isnt installed correctly |
| [13:49:52] | rileyp: | another reason why live tv fails is if the live tv ddirectory is not chosen or is unwritable by myth |
| [13:50:01] | AvidGamer: | none of the options playback at all, all the same thing, opengl, xlib, xshm, xv-blit |
| [13:50:51] | AvidGamer: | directory permissions are fine, no errors about it, i can schedule programs to record fine |
| [13:51:16] | rileyp: | that does not mean live tv recordings dir is set |
| [13:51:26] | rileyp: | it means recordings dir is set |
| [13:51:44] | rileyp: | its differnt unless you set it yourslef to be the same |
| [13:52:15] | AvidGamer: | to make things easier, the livetv and default storage directory was set to my home folder /home/avidgamer. |
| [13:52:36] | AvidGamer: | ive even tried running myth as root, and have the same problems |
| [13:53:30] | rileyp: | i had an odd probelm once wher if i disbled the samba share on my recordings drive live tv would work |
| [13:53:36] | rileyp: | if enabled it wouldnt |
| [13:54:11] | AvidGamer: | don't have samba installed, its a bare minimal LFS system installed, barely got XOrg and ffmpeg on here |
| [13:54:16] | rileyp: | i learnt not to samba share the whole drive |
| [13:55:41] | AvidGamer: | sigh, this is really annoying |
| [13:55:55] | AvidGamer: | ill try a different display driver version |
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| [14:00:30] | orly_owl: | would it be possible to network boot a wifi frontend from the backend? |
| [14:00:39] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [14:00:51] | orly_owl: | um |
| [14:00:55] | orly_owl: | because? |
| [14:01:04] | wagnerrp: | you cant network boot over wifi |
| [14:01:21] | orly_owl: | ok |
| [14:01:26] | orly_owl: | lets say ethernet then |
| [14:01:38] | orly_owl: | any problems there? |
| [14:01:46] | wagnerrp: | nope |
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| [14:02:15] | orly_owl: | interesting |
| [14:02:24] | rileyp: | network boot fe works well but can be problematic |
| [14:02:30] | orly_owl: | fe? |
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| [14:02:47] | wagnerrp: | FrontEnd |
| [14:03:03] | orly_owl: | ah k |
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| [14:04:53] | rileyp: | for example if you kill your fe with live tv running you BE will continue to assume live tv is playing and the tuner wont eb availble to record, if your image is on the same partition as the o/s on your BE the partition can fill with error logs and destroy your mysql table |
| [14:05:23] | wagnerrp: | that has nothing to do with being network booted |
| [14:05:30] | rileyp: | both of these have happened top me |
| [14:05:33] | orly_owl: | oh the boot image for fe |
| [14:06:04] | wagnerrp: | if you kill your FE that boots off a local disk, without letting things shut down properly, you can leave a livetv session orphaned |
| [14:06:10] | wagnerrp: | however i believe that has been fixed |
| [14:06:40] | rileyp: | yes mysql was unable to write to the table as the image had filled the parttion with error logs |
| [14:06:46] | orly_owl: | be should know how to deal with a buggy fe |
| [14:07:22] | wagnerrp: | if you let your file system fill with error logs and break your mysql database, you screwed up in ways that have nothing to do with network boot |
| [14:07:30] | rileyp: | also getting a diskless FE to go into standby is near on impossible |
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| [14:07:44] | orly_owl: | why is that |
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| [14:07:47] | wagnerrp: | getting a diskless fe to go on standby is not a problem |
| [14:08:09] | wagnerrp: | no more difficult than getting a frontend booting off a local disk to go into standby |
| [14:08:33] | wagnerrp: | rileyp: these all seem like configuration errors that have nothing to do with diskless operation |
| [14:08:34] | rileyp: | and shuitdown on diskless fe can be problematic unless its been fixed in ubuntu anyway |
| [14:09:17] | oobe: | rileyp, all wagnerrp is trying to say is all your issues are caused by misconfiguration and have nothing to do with diskless mode |
| [14:09:30] | wagnerrp: | how so? the shutdown scripts bring down the network interface too early? |
| [14:09:55] | rileyp: | yes it was doing this in karmic |
| [14:10:15] | wagnerrp: | were you using ubuntu's built in diskless setup? or roll your own? |
| [14:10:26] | rileyp: | built in |
| [14:10:39] | wagnerrp: | as i understand it, they have some pretty simple point and click setup to spawn diskless clients |
| [14:10:55] | wagnerrp: | if that is broken stock... well i dont know what to tell you |
| [14:11:09] | rileyp: | i used the mythbuntu diskless guide from ubuntu forums |
| [14:12:09] | rileyp: | wagnerp It was...but a fix was out there... and i did fix it |
| [14:14:23] | rileyp: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1340684 |
| [14:15:11] | oobe: | i didnt know they had a gui diskless FE setup |
| [14:15:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, have for some time |
| [14:15:27] | orly_owl: | O_O |
| [14:15:32] | wagnerrp: | it uses a pair of block devices |
| [14:15:32] | oobe: | awesome |
| [14:15:43] | wagnerrp: | one for the root filesystem, one for an AUFS overlay |
| [14:16:02] | wagnerrp: | the root can be shared, and the overlay is specific to each machine |
| [14:16:12] | wagnerrp: | which can be set to flush itself on reboot |
| [14:16:24] | wagnerrp: | which causes some problems for some users who dont understand how it works |
| [14:16:38] | wagnerrp: | and dont understand why their settings get reset every time they restart their diskless machine |
| [14:17:20] | rileyp: | the diskless setup button in mythbuntu's was removed in karmic |
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| [14:17:28] | wagnerrp: | but terminating the block client prior to shutdown, im surprised they let that one slip |
| [14:17:41] | AvidGamer: | No joy with the latest display drivers, rileyp. still doing the same |
| [14:18:20] | rileyp: | try connecting a remote fe perhaps |
| [14:18:24] | wagnerrp: | AvidGamer: do pre-scheduled recordings work? |
| [14:18:40] | wagnerrp: | do they record? can you play back those recordings? |
| [14:19:33] | AvidGamer: | yes they record, can playback with mplayer, but frontend fails |
| [14:19:44] | AvidGamer: | dont have access to a remote fe tbh |
| [14:19:52] | rileyp: | so you cant play anything in mythtv |
| [14:20:13] | AvidGamer: | nope, naff all works on the frontend, (besides the gui, menus, settings etc) |
| [14:20:13] | wagnerrp: | go into the playback profiles, change it to Slim, and try again |
| [14:20:17] | AvidGamer: | kk one mo |
| [14:21:04] | AvidGamer: | same. stuck on "playback starting" screen |
| [14:21:46] | rileyp: | and you chose a recording you know plays in mplayer |
| [14:22:08] | rileyp: | or vlc |
| [14:22:11] | AvidGamer: | i can setup the frontend to record a scheduled program, and the backend records it fine |
| [14:22:27] | AvidGamer: | i can play the recording in gmplayer/mplayer etc no probs, but Myth wont |
| [14:23:08] | rileyp: | reinstall myth frontend perhaps |
| [14:23:39] | rileyp: | could it be a permissions thing? |
| [14:24:17] | AvidGamer: | just setup backend to record a program starting in 2 mins, ill try playback recording again with slim |
| [14:24:40] | rileyp: | It sounds like myth hasnt permission to playback the file |
| [14:25:10] | wagnerrp: | could you pastebin some frontend logs with normal verbosity, or maybe 'important,general,playback'... its just very difficult to dig through all that unnecessary crap in 'all' |
| [14:25:32] | AvidGamer: | yup, few mins |
| [14:25:52] | AvidGamer: | right backend is recording perfectly fine atm |
| [14:26:20] | rileyp: | wagnerrp, Do you know if mythexport is working with karmic and lucid |
| [14:26:38] | wagnerrp: | never used mythexport, thats a mythbuntu creation |
| [14:27:22] | rileyp: | id really like to try mythpodcaster but the guide is for redhat |
| [14:27:29] | rileyp: | http://code.google.com/p/mythpodcaster/wiki/Installation |
| [14:27:57] | rileyp: | although it gives 3 guides one for source one for binary and another for rpm |
| [14:30:56] | AvidGamer: | wagnerrp, http://www.pastebin.org/399600 = -v important,general,playback |
| [14:33:06] | wagnerrp: | and its failing somewhere in there? |
| [14:33:17] | wagnerrp: | the only problem i see is possibly a bad playback profile |
| [14:33:22] | wagnerrp: | youre using Slim, unedited? |
| [14:33:30] | AvidGamer: | yup |
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| [14:35:01] | AvidGamer: | entering the media library on the frontend, it shows the preview for the show currently recording, but refuses to play it, same "playback starting" screen freeze up |
| [14:36:27] | rileyp: | Iavip I noticed in you pastebin you have chosen renderoer vdpau but its not availbale |
| [14:37:11] | AvidGamer: | nope, playback profile is currently set to Slim |
| [14:37:33] | AvidGamer: | its just mentioning its not a valid profile from what i can tell for my system |
| [14:37:44] | AvidGamer: | even though its still listed in playback profiles.. |
| [14:37:49] | rileyp: | avidgamer try choosing the qt renderer in setup of fe |
| [14:38:12] | rileyp: | instead of opengl |
| [14:38:49] | AvidGamer: | Video Renderer options i have are: xlib, xv-blit, opengl, xshm |
| [14:39:20] | AvidGamer: | im assuming you mean in the playback profile |
| [14:40:22] | rileyp: | in setup/appearanece |
| [14:40:51] | rileyp: | noyt in playback profiles |
| [14:42:02] | rileyp: | if you ever have playback issues best thing to choose is qt in appearance as it will playback on a 4mb iintel vid card or lesser |
| [14:42:20] | rileyp: | then go from there |
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| [14:42:54] | Avid^AFK: | damn it |
| [14:43:06] | Avid^AFK: | dodgy network cable fell out of laptop =[] |
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| [14:43:26] | Avid^AFK: | anyway, did you see what i said about avilable render options to me rileyp ? |
| [14:44:09] | rileyp: | in setup/appearanece |
| [14:44:09] | wagnerrp: | by 'qt' he means the UI painter, which has nothing to do with playback or your current problems |
| [14:44:20] | rileyp: | noyt in playback profiles |
| [14:44:27] | rileyp: | if you ever have playback issues best thing to choose is qt in appearance as it will playback on a 4mb iintel vid card or lesser |
| [14:44:32] | rileyp: | then go from there |
| [14:44:39] | orly_owl: | minimum ram for a frontend? |
| [14:44:49] | wagnerrp: | 512MB |
| [14:45:10] | wagnerrp: | you can get by on 256 depending on the theme you use and resolution you run at |
| [14:45:24] | Avid^AFK: | lol already using QT paint engine |
| [14:45:25] | orly_owl: | oh |
| [14:45:27] | orly_owl: | ok |
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| [14:45:54] | ** orly_owl stops looking at box with 64MB RAM ** | |
| [14:46:01] | wagnerrp: | rileyp: the UI painter has nothing to do with video playback, and he already said his UI was working just fine |
| [14:47:13] | wagnerrp: | where would you even get a box with that little ram? |
| [14:47:19] | rileyp: | ok sorry tring to help ,...not very good at it but im learing a little |
| [14:47:26] | rileyp: | learning |
| [14:47:29] | wagnerrp: | ive not seen one of those in over a decade |
| [14:48:09] | Avid^AFK: | brb messed up xserver from changing gui/playback res. brb |
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| [14:51:30] | AvidGamer: | hmm, dont suppose wrong permissions on sound devices (cant access on this user even though in audio group) would make any difference to playback? |
| [14:51:48] | wagnerrp: | no, it should just cause you to have no sound |
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| [14:53:04] | AvidGamer: | yeah, thats my thinking. god this is annoying |
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| [15:03:27] | iamlindoro: | Heh, the users list never fails to disappoint |
| [15:04:02] | iamlindoro: | In response to my last post, I get a private e-mail with a single sentence. "Blu-ray discs are not called disks." |
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| [15:05:43] | justinh: | we SO need GDIAFOIP |
| [15:06:47] | iamlindoro: | seriously |
| [15:07:05] | iamlindoro: | A great reminder of why I never post to the users list any more |
| [15:09:01] | iamlindoro: | disk disk disk disk disk disk disk |
| [15:09:06] | justinh: | just how DO you pronounce viddypow anyway? |
| [15:09:13] | justinh: | viddy pow ayy you? |
| [15:09:13] | iamlindoro: | Personally, Vee Dee Pow |
| [15:09:46] | justinh: | these are the kinds of people who used to come up with their own spellings for my themes :P |
| [15:09:47] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, they did that pronunciation thread on -users |
| [15:09:57] | sphery: | Noen-wide |
| [15:10:19] | justinh: | how do you pronounce GDIAF? Arghhhhhh?! AEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEE?! |
| [15:10:26] | iamlindoro: | G'DiaAFF |
| [15:10:52] | wagnerrp: | sounds like it could be one of the characters out of babylon 5 |
| [15:11:08] | justinh: | or a military leader in Iranistan |
| [15:11:19] | justinh: | or Libya-istan even |
| [15:11:35] | Twiggy: | what is the proper way to delete avi videos from mythtv? Last time I tried deleting from a file manager, they deleted but they are still there. |
| [15:11:55] | justinh: | format c: ? |
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| [15:12:10] | iamlindoro: | Assuming you mean MythVideo, delete the file, run a scan for changes |
| [15:12:11] | justinh: | Twiggy: becuz you need to scan for changes |
| [15:12:30] | justinh: | if you mean tv recordings, for one they ain't AVI files |
| [15:12:52] | justinh: | and if you mean tv recordings not only are they not AVI files, you DO NOT delete them outside of mythtv |
| [15:13:19] | Twiggy: | I did with mythweb and it shows up. they are gone from the directory(file manager says so and so does ls) but they still play so they are there. just not present |
| [15:13:28] | Twiggy: | They are encoded avi's |
| [15:13:43] | justinh: | so you mean they're present in mythvideo |
| [15:13:54] | iamlindoro: | don't use mythweb |
| [15:13:56] | iamlindoro: | mythweb is not mythvideo |
| [15:14:03] | justinh: | you know, you can also delete them from mythvideo itself |
| [15:14:06] | iamlindoro: | And again, if they still play, they are not gone |
| [15:14:10] | iamlindoro: | and you have not deleted them |
| [15:14:17] | iamlindoro: | you cannot play files that have been deleted |
| [15:14:26] | Twiggy: | I can see them in the frontend for mythtv and mythweb. I am just using mythweb to set recordings and download the videos to a remote computer |
| [15:14:40] | ** sphery thinks the mythweb mythvideo stuff should be disabled in 0.23-fixes ** | |
| [15:14:46] | justinh: | oh god. not this mythweb and 'remote computer' biz again |
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| [15:14:53] | iamlindoro: | sphery: and most likely, in trunk |
| [15:14:59] | simonckenyon: | iamlindoro: could you tell me where the dependencies are located? i find doom9 very confusing. |
| [15:15:09] | sphery: | yeah, I was assuming someone would get around to fixing it properly in trunk, but... |
| [15:15:21] | justinh: | doom NINE? Man, we waited for like ever for doom 3 |
| [15:15:24] | iamlindoro: | simonckenyon: Which dependencies? |
| [15:15:28] | Twiggy: | jeeze. that is not the issue. justinh I am not having an issue with that. I am using mythweb to copy from the local machine to a remote computer. |
| [15:15:34] | simonckenyon: | libaacs |
| [15:15:41] | iamlindoro: | libaacs is in the thread, aacskeys is linked from my post |
| [15:15:58] | justinh: | Twiggy: point is, using mythweb to manage your videos is probably ill advised at this stage |
| [15:16:03] | simonckenyon: | ok. will re-read. sorry for the noise |
| [15:16:08] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [15:16:38] | Twiggy: | Im not using it to manage them. Then only managing it does is scan the collection to refresh the list |
| [15:16:48] | iamlindoro: | Don't do that |
| [15:16:55] | iamlindoro: | Use Mythvideo-- do *nothing* with MythWeb |
| [15:16:56] | Twiggy: | why? |
| [15:17:09] | wagnerrp: | mythweb does not handle the mythvideo tables properly |
| [15:17:12] | iamlindoro: | because MythWeb has not properly managed MythVideo items for three releases |
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| [15:17:34] | Twiggy: | Please explain? other than not being able to delete them its working fine. |
| [15:17:45] | iamlindoro: | Wrong |
| [15:17:56] | justinh: | Twiggy: if you want to delete videos from mythvideo use mythvideo or a file manager |
| [15:18:01] | sphery: | So, am I the only one who finds 2) to be most likely a violation of ToS? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/443410#443410 |
| [15:18:02] | iamlindoro: | It does not insert proper records, it does not properly delete records, it does not properly parse the metadata that is there |
| [15:18:08] | iamlindoro: | there is literally *nothing* it does right |
| [15:18:28] | sphery: | I mean, "record all you want concurrently and use only a single CAM to decrypt it"--no need to buy multiple CAMs |
| [15:18:36] | Twiggy: | justinh, okay is mythvideo its own thing? when I open videos in mythfrontend I dont have an option to delete |
| [15:18:42] | sphery: | I thought the CAM was a "one CAM = one show" type thing |
| [15:19:07] | justinh: | Twiggy: ever tried pressing DELETE? |
| [15:19:08] | wagnerrp: | sphery: apparently they have an example of a first party STB performing the same operation |
| [15:19:16] | justinh: | you know.. the word delete.. first letter D |
| [15:19:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but that's a first-party device... |
| [15:19:41] | Twiggy: | justinh, yes nothing happens. Last time I deleted them from the file manager they were still there in the frontend |
| [15:19:43] | Twiggy: | and played! |
| [15:19:47] | sphery: | I mean, it's likely easy for first party to get permission to do what they want |
| [15:20:01] | justinh: | Twiggy: then something is very very broken |
| [15:20:09] | Twiggy: | yay! |
| [15:20:10] | iamlindoro: | Twiggy: Once more... you CANNOT play a file that has been deleted |
| [15:20:12] | sphery: | zombie files... just won't die |
| [15:20:14] | iamlindoro: | meaning you did not delete it |
| [15:20:14] | wagnerrp: | Twiggy: what file manager? something independent from mythtv? or the old 'video manager' screen? |
| [15:20:14] | Twiggy: | i know |
| [15:20:29] | justinh: | you cannot possibly be deleting a file from a file manager, seeing it disappear & then still be able to access it |
| [15:20:55] | Twiggy: | wagnerrp, thunar. I dont like it though |
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| [15:21:35] | justinh: | not a huge fan of it myself |
| [15:21:58] | Twiggy: | I might try a diff file manager from now on |
| [15:23:03] | Twiggy: | I want a file manger with a root access button. Any reccomendations? I hate opening the terminal and typing sudo thunar |
| [15:23:23] | simonckenyon: | iamlindoro: in #25277 you say "I do not have the matching libaacs or libbluray to test against as those projects have not yet been made publicly accessible". is this still the case? |
| [15:23:28] | wagnerrp: | consider the lack of one to be a safety mechanism |
| [15:23:45] | iamlindoro: | no, it is not still the case |
| [15:24:25] | Twiggy: | wagnerrp, Well I want one that gives the option to delete pending password |
| [15:24:27] | iamlindoro: | simonckenyon: TBH I have placed all information required to make MythTV work with AACS decryption somewhere public, I don't feel comfortable providing assistance for it beyond that |
| [15:24:42] | Twiggy: | thunar wont let me delete anything except whats in the home folder |
| [15:24:45] | simonckenyon: | iamlindoro: i understand |
| [15:25:04] | wagnerrp: | Twiggy: rather, anything your user account is allowed to delete by the system |
| [15:25:10] | iamlindoro: | simonckenyon: But since you are on Doom9 I assume you have access to that post, which is literally all the wisdom I have on the topic |
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| [15:25:58] | Twiggy: | wagnerrp, I guess thats the joy of having mythtv and my user account is all the permissions? |
| [15:26:18] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
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| [15:27:21] | Twiggy: | The fact that my account is restricted from modifying mythtv files(until permissions are changed) |
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| [15:27:30] | Twiggy: | I assume that is correct |
| [15:27:41] | wagnerrp: | if your user account is not running the backend, sure |
| [15:28:22] | wagnerrp: | you could add your user account to the 'mythtv' group, and make the directory read-write group, so all subsequently created files will be writable (and deletable) by you |
| [15:28:51] | Twiggy: | how do I do that through the command line? |
| [15:29:01] | wagnerrp: | chmod |
| [15:29:11] | wagnerrp: | chmod g+w to be specific |
| [15:29:15] | Twiggy: | Im sorry for buggin you about simple things but I'm trying to learn linux and use it at the same time |
| [15:29:45] | Twiggy: | so it would be sudo chmod g+w mythbox mythtv? |
| [15:29:50] | Twiggy: | mythbox being my user |
| [15:29:51] | wagnerrp: | no |
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| [15:29:57] | Twiggy: | doh |
| [15:30:02] | wagnerrp: | 'chmod' changes the access on files/directories |
| [15:30:16] | wagnerrp: | add your user to the group? i dont know the linux commands to do that off hand |
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| [15:30:22] | wagnerrp: | i usually just edit the groups file directly |
| [15:30:41] | Twiggy: | okay so chmod all the myth tv folders to allow access |
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| [15:32:51] | Twiggy: | thank you for your time to help me get this set up! |
| [15:33:35] | Twiggy: | You have been a big help. Plus with all the setup this takes to get going I feel like I learned something. Lets see how long I retain it though :-/ |
| [15:34:12] | AndyCap: | as for fedora (at least, dunno about other distros) there is "usermod -a -G groupname username" |
| [15:35:31] | AndyCap: | Hehe. I see cablecard is all fun and games. :P http://zeusville.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/tiv . . . xed-for-now/ |
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| [15:37:46] | wagnerrp: | if it weren't for DRM, he would be able to set all that stuff up by himself, without all the extra hardware, and tech visits |
| [15:38:30] | wagnerrp: | we should all thank the existence of DRM for providing jobs for all those engineers, and CSRs, and cable techs, and consumer rights groups, and.... |
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| [15:39:15] | sphery: | heh |
| [15:40:21] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: and lawyers. |
| [15:46:53] | clever: | AndyCap: na, lawyers can find enough jobs on there own, ive come across articles about them sueing god and the bible, just because they can |
| [15:47:09] | sphery: | I think DRM must be good. After all, everyone loves the iPhone and it's chock full of DRM preventing you from using any not-approved software. |
| [15:47:18] | clever: | the law suit against god didnt go thru because they didnt have an address to send the paperwork to |
| [15:47:32] | justinh: | hmm no. everybody who owns an iPhone loves the iPhone |
| [15:47:41] | justinh: | there are still people who don't own an iPhone yet :P |
| [15:48:06] | clever: | what about those iphone app's that auto-buy other apps to inflate the developers popularity? |
| [15:48:16] | sphery: | ah, I stand corrected (and note there's no "Sent from my iPhone." message from me on the lists :) |
| [15:48:43] | justinh: | Steve *does* want everybody in the world to own an iPhone at some point though |
| [15:48:55] | justinh: | you can't blame him for trying :D |
| [15:49:41] | sphery: | Until he sends me a free-of-charge iPhone and allows me to run whatever software on it I want, I won't be helping him accomplish his goal. |
| [15:49:50] | justinh: | and even then the 'sent from my iphone' sig won't go away. Instead there'll be a different kind of annoying smug elitism. Like "sent from iPhone number 10 of 20 I own" |
| [15:50:38] | AndyCap: | ooh, that reminds me, I haven't tested mythtv with my phone after I updated the codecs |
| [15:50:42] | ** sphery admits that the first thing he did after setting up his parents' iPhones on gmail was to delete the iPhone mail app's "Sent from my iPhone." .sig. ** | |
| [15:50:44] | justinh: | hmmm. can I get away with having a sig like "Please excuse my sepelling and punctyauition. I am a retard" ? |
| [15:51:30] | justinh: | bump |
| [15:52:12] | iamlindoro: | justinh: "Parse exclaim my spurring. It has been corrugated by my iPhone." |
| [15:52:29] | justinh: | heheheh |
| [15:54:11] | AndyCap: | hmm, not a huge success. but I'm overdue for an upgrade on myth |
| [15:54:18] | justinh: | ah well. time I was no longer here. here meaning work |
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| [15:54:39] | sphery: | oops... it's not a .sig --non-standard format without the .sig delimiter, so I supposed I shoudl just say I deleted the advertisement |
| [15:54:46] | justinh: | be nice if I have to phone in on monday. "No, I won't be coming in. For two whole weeks" |
| [15:55:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | AndyCap: Hehehe... I finally upgraded from FC8 to FC13 and 0.23-fixes a few weeks ago... ;-) |
| [15:55:26] | justinh: | people keep saying they're keeping everything crossed for me. that's what WE shoulda done lol |
| [15:56:20] | AndyCap: | J-e-f-f-A: well, I'm just one step behind at the moment. |
| [15:56:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: last time I got an un-planned 2 week vacation was when I broke my elbow... |
| [15:56:38] | justinh: | this is planned, and sadly not on full pay |
| [15:57:32] | justinh: | used to be, but "due to the current economic climate".. yada yada |
| [15:57:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: ouch. Yeah, mine was covered by 'short-term-disability' — thankfully... ^ ouch. |
| [15:58:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: (admittedly, it was ~16 years ago though...) |
| [15:58:22] | justinh: | works out as 2 weeks off work out of 4, for 75% pay |
| [15:59:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: I guess that's not too bad... |
| [16:00:41] | justinh: | the statutory minimum is something like £134 per week or 90% of weekly pay, whichever is the lowest |
| [16:00:59] | justinh: | who the heck bothers to work for less than £134 a week? -O |
| [16:01:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | AndyCap: I still have to re-establish my Raid1 for the os/DB disk – unfortunately when i did the upgrade, one of my 200GB Raid1 disks fried somehow... (puff of smoke!) — and I can't bring myself to pay ~$70 for a new 200GB drive... |
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| [16:01:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: hehehe... ;-) |
| [16:02:47] | AndyCap: | J-e-f-f-A: well, they do have bigger drives now. :P |
| [16:03:05] | justinh: | I think when I was 16 I was on about £8000 after tax |
| [16:03:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | AndyCap: yeah, I've got a pair of 500's, but that seems like a waste... but I guess I can do that. |
| [16:03:27] | justinh: | anyhoos.. time for homeski |
| [16:03:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | ttyl justinh |
| [16:03:42] | AndyCap: | justinh: have a nice weekend. |
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| [16:22:50] | RoccoSiff: | Im having some troubles: http://pastebin.com/0rgTUyJY . I can tune in vertical transponders |
| [16:22:55] | RoccoSiff: | but not horizontal 18v ones |
| [16:23:54] | iamlindoro: | RoccoSiff: Have you spoken to the people in #linuxtv yet? Doesn't appear to be a MythTV log |
| [16:24:12] | iamlindoro: | (and if it's a card-level issue they will be able to help where we won't know where to begin) |
| [16:24:14] | RoccoSiff: | sorry iamlindoro: Ill go there |
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| [16:27:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Great, another one of those guys that changes his nic every 30 seconds... |
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| [16:28:30] | iamlindoro: | He's been warned |
| [16:28:32] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs. ;-) ** | |
| [16:28:41] | iamlindoro: | not about the nick changes, about the offensive ones |
| [16:28:42] | iamlindoro: | twice |
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| [16:50:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Do you use eclipse for your development work? |
| [16:51:10] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: I don't use any IDE, to be honest, I just use nano to edit stuff |
| [16:52:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Ok... ;-) That's what I was doing when i was fiddling with the LCD stuff, but just setup eclipse... I may not use it for the actual compile, but it makes editing easier... ;-) |
| [16:52:13] | johnnyj: | J-e-f-f-A: i've been using eclipse too |
| [16:52:37] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, just can't get used to them, probably a personal thing-- doesn't feel easier for my own personal use |
| [16:53:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: It does for me, at least, being able to hop to another source file with just a mouse click... ;-) It is a learning curve though, I'm fumbling my way around it. |
| [16:54:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | johnnyj: Do you have the SVN plugin working? I couldn't get it to work in my setup... |
| [16:54:31] | johnnyj: | J-e-f-f-A: it's tricky to get working |
| [16:54:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | johnnyj: So I ended up checking out the source 'manually' with svn, then importing that into eclipse. |
| [16:54:40] | johnnyj: | i wrote it up somewhere |
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| [16:54:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | johnnyj: Probably on the wiki? That's what I followed. |
| [16:55:38] | gizmobay: | I changed my theme to Arclight and it doesn't work. I can't see to change the theme back to one that works. How can I change it? |
| [16:55:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | johnnyj: Here's what I followed: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Developing_in_Eclipse_on_Linux |
| [16:56:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | johnnyj: I did get everything installed, but it seems Subclipse doesn't like the version of SVN I have installed.. |
| [16:56:42] | johnnyj: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah – that was outdated AFAICT |
| [16:56:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | johnnyj: ah. |
| [16:57:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | gizmobay: Override it at startup with -O Theme=Terra (I think that's the right syntax, you may have to google for it) |
| [16:57:22] | johnnyj: | i haven't updated it because I really didn't understand what I was doing and I didn't want to add to anyone's confustion |
| [16:57:43] | johnnyj: | i swear I wrote it up somehere |
| [16:57:49] | johnnyj: | i think maybe on the dev mailing list |
| [16:58:11] | gizmobay: | Thanks Jeff, that worked |
| [16:58:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | johnnyj: Hehehe... ;-) so what I ended up doing was the "Another way" section... ;-) (external svn checkout/import) |
| [16:58:23] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: Just committed two incredibly trivial patches for MythGallery, figured you wouldn't mind, they are no-brainers (typo fix and adding a couple ".trimmed()" to caption strings |
| [17:00:49] | RoccoSiff: | where has sasc-ng moved? I cant find it on the its svn |
| [17:01:04] | RoccoSiff: | https://opensvn.csie.org/sascng/trunk |
| [17:01:27] | iamlindoro: | RoccoSiff: We don't allow any discussion of softcam applications here |
| [17:01:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | RoccoSiff: don't know, and softcams can't be discussed here. |
| [17:01:46] | RoccoSiff: | oh, sorry |
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| [17:03:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: do you ever have problems where your hd-pvr(s) lock up and need to be power cycled? (via the front-panel button, not a 'hard' power reset) |
| [17:03:52] | johnnyj: | J-e-f-f-A: how did you install eclipse and on what OS are you running it? I reccomend using what's in ubuntu's package mgmt |
| [17:04:05] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: I have not in a very, very long time, but used to see it on my early models all the time |
| [17:04:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | johnnyj: I'm on FC13, and installed it with the fedora RPMs iirc. |
| [17:05:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Mine have been doing it once in a while, but I think it may be a temperature thing — we've had a bit of a heat wave here in the northeast, and although my equipment is in the basement, it has still reached over 90 in the basement a few days (high 90's outside) |
| [17:06:00] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Yes, it can be sensitive to ambient heat for sure-- the cooler an area you can put it in, the better |
| [17:06:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | johnnyj: Galileo version ... |
| [17:06:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I figured as much. Maybe I'll put a small fan blowing on them and the FiOS STBs – they all seem to get a bit warm to the touch. |
| [17:07:21] | johnnyj: | i recently blew away my dev laptop and reinstalled os x on it (since it's a mac) – so I'm trying to decide if I want to start developing on mac os x |
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| [17:10:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | johnnyj: Eclipse Version 3.5.2 ... [ugh, running under NX doesn't let me use the same workspace as on my desktop?!?] |
| [17:11:22] | johnnyj: | J-e-f-f-A: i remember the svn plugins for eclipse being a pain – I wasn't that impressed with them anyway – and since I'm not checking in myself... |
| [17:12:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | johnnyj: yeah, me either. ;-) I've only contributed one patch myself thus far... But I may have more time on my hands in the near future, so hopefully I can find time to refresh my coding skills and get some patches done... |
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| [17:26:08] | wagnerrp: | !seen jcdutton |
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| [17:30:06] | kormoc: | Must save the Bacon Factory! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLz5ArupElA |
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| [17:34:29] | gandalfcome: | I'm using mythbuntu 10.04 and the internal volume control doesnt work. Even mute doesnt work. any ideas? |
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| [17:45:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | gandalfcome: digital sound? Probably need to look into a software volume control... |
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| [17:46:20] | gandalfcome: | dvbt |
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| [17:55:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | gandalfcome: Not the source – what's your audio output – is it digital ie: spdif/hdmi? |
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| [18:30:01] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: this stuff only does bluray+aacs stuff? not hddvd? |
| [18:30:08] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [18:30:34] | wagnerrp: | i guess thats not much of a loss... with only 100 or so HDDVDs ever produced |
| [18:31:54] | wagnerrp: | certainly BR support is vastly more useful |
| [18:32:10] | iamlindoro: | technically skeaping libaacs could handle every single HD-DVD |
| [18:32:10] | gbee: | it would be nice to support all media, including VCD and HDDVD, but I really can't see anyone wanting to spend time on it |
| [18:32:20] | iamlindoro: | it's just that libbluray doesn't parse the structures |
| [18:32:29] | wagnerrp: | right, figured that was the case |
| [18:32:31] | iamlindoro: | er s/skeaping/speaking/ |
| [18:32:40] | ** gbee likes skeaping ** | |
| [18:33:11] | gbee: | as a word |
| [18:33:40] | ** iamlindoro rushes to urbandictionary.com to define skeaping as something truly foul ** | |
| [18:33:42] | wagnerrp: | make me think of 'scathing' |
| [18:34:24] | gbee: | apparently it's a surname, and the name of Mark Hamill's stunt double in Star Wars |
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| [18:43:59] | gbee: | iamlindoro: libaacs working :) |
| [18:44:07] | iamlindoro: | gbee: nice |
| [18:44:40] | ** iamlindoro suspects making the "Play Optical Disks" option more universal will take on new urgency for gbee now ;) ** | |
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| [18:49:02] | gbee: | fwiw, no patched firmware, factory installed |
| [18:49:20] | iamlindoro: | cool, good to know it's doable |
| [18:49:59] | iamlindoro: | gbee: did you put in the VUKs for each of your discs? I am being told in the libbluray channel that it may not actually be necessary |
| [18:50:12] | iamlindoro: | I found otherwise, but I may have messed up elsewhere |
| [18:50:42] | iamlindoro: | I'm told that so long as you have PKs that cover your version of MKB, and a proper HC, it should work |
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| [18:52:45] | wagnerrp: | can you change the height of the edit box on the wiki? |
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| [18:53:37] | gbee: | I followed your instructions to the letter |
| [18:54:15] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Just trying to figure out if it can be simplified-- if it's not necessary to get the VUK/VID for each disk you want to play, and it can be calculated by libaacs, that's a lot better |
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| [18:55:10] | gbee: | I can try deleting those lines and find out? |
| [18:55:32] | iamlindoro: | gbee: If yours is like mine, it'll fail after that, but would be worth finding out |
| [18:55:42] | iamlindoro: | if yours works, then it means I've made a mistake somewhere else |
| [18:56:03] | iamlindoro: | gbee: your HOST_KEY_POINT... did you find youself needing to add a second line where the example only had one? |
| [18:56:50] | gbee: | doesn't work |
| [18:57:02] | gbee: | iamlindoro: yes, added a second line |
| [18:57:12] | iamlindoro: | gbee, yeah, that was the one weird thing to me |
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| [19:04:32] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: thanks on #8662 |
| [19:04:41] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [19:05:06] | Beirdo: | I already tweaked it on a branch I haven't committed yet (and can't now as I can't get to my home box... stupid power failure!) |
| [19:05:13] | Beirdo: | but cool |
| [19:05:55] | Beirdo: | ooh, #8663 too, nice :) |
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| [19:06:24] | Beirdo: | I have a bunch of mythgallery stuff ready for testing when I get back (old patches to start with) |
| [19:06:38] | Beirdo: | and then the flickr API stuff will be my next big chunk |
| [19:07:31] | Beirdo: | just catchin up on my emails from overnight :) |
| [19:08:07] | wagnerrp: | man, if only we had a mythtorrent, we could send you your missed recordings |
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| [19:09:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Is the whole box down, or just your IP6 stuff? |
| [19:09:13] | Beirdo: | ipv6 |
| [19:09:23] | Beirdo: | I can hit the modem with ipv4 |
| [19:09:25] | wagnerrp: | only ipv6? you can access it otherwise? |
| [19:09:36] | wagnerrp: | do you only allow ssh through ipv6? |
| [19:09:47] | Beirdo: | but if the power goes off, then upstart messes up and tries to bring up the tunnel before eth0 |
| [19:10:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Ah, so you probably didn't lose any recordings. ;-) ^^ No ups? Or was the outage too long? |
| [19:10:07] | Beirdo: | and I have no port forwarding in the modem configured |
| [19:10:14] | Beirdo: | no UPS |
| [19:10:35] | Beirdo: | and I have no idea how long the outage was, I'm in Philly, the computers are in Seattle |
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| [19:11:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: You could get one of the other locals to go over to your house/apt... ;-) |
| [19:11:15] | Beirdo: | so I probably lost some recordings |
| [19:11:21] | Beirdo: | nah, I have the keys :) |
| [19:11:23] | Beirdo: | not to worry |
| [19:11:37] | Beirdo: | I'll make the stupid tunnel start up right soon enough |
| [19:11:42] | Beirdo: | when I get home |
| [19:12:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: hehehe... ;-) Well, my UPS would probably only run my setup about 15 minutes right now... Need to convert to lower-power stuff, or split off some stuff to another UPS.... |
| [19:12:30] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'll probably have that setup at some point too |
| [19:12:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, my backend and file server go down within a minute |
| [19:13:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: ouch. |
| [19:13:16] | wagnerrp: | my firewall, modems, and switches stay on for another several hours |
| [19:13:32] | wagnerrp: | sacrifice the servers, save the precious precious internet... :) |
| [19:13:40] | Beirdo: | AND, I need to make mythtv auto-start too |
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| [19:14:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: hehehe...;-) I've got two APC 1100's, but only have one connected at once – I should move the backend to one 1100 all by itself, and I should be able to get another 10–15 mins out of it. ;-) |
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| [19:14:52] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [19:15:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Hehe... don't feel bad, I only recently got my mythbackend init script setup properly... |
| [19:15:25] | Beirdo: | I haven't bothered with an init script yet :) |
| [19:15:32] | Beirdo: | but I will |
| [19:15:55] | Beirdo: | Hmm |
| [19:16:02] | Beirdo: | I never really realized it before |
| [19:16:10] | Beirdo: | Cold Case... set in Philly |
| [19:16:28] | wagnerrp: | ive got my basement equipment on a single CPS 1250 |
| [19:16:29] | Beirdo: | most crime shows are set in NYC, it seems |
| [19:16:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: yeah, I got one from the mythdora archives (I run FC13) and it worked, but channel-changing wasn't working... turns out I had to adjust my CC scripts to have the full path to '6200ch'... doh! It worked fine from a shell already logged on as mythtv!!! ;-) |
| [19:17:01] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:17:06] | Beirdo: | yeah, a common issue |
| [19:17:07] | wagnerrp: | are UPSs usually hard coded for a specific battery pack? |
| [19:17:19] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: quite likely |
| [19:17:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: although the 'smart' ones have a mode in them to learn the battery capacity... |
| [19:17:44] | wagnerrp: | ive got an APC800 that (i believe) is perfectly functional, but the battery pack is dead |
| [19:18:13] | wagnerrp: | i just cant see myself spending $80 on a replacement pack, when i originally bought the whole unit for $60 |
| [19:18:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I've got 3 1400's here at work and replaced the batteries 2 years ago with some cheapies off the web... They just started complaining the batteries were bad again.. |
| [19:19:07] | wagnerrp: | it never complained |
| [19:19:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Let me look up the link... APC wanted MUCH more for the batteries for these units... I think the set was $28 for each unit from this place... |
| [19:19:15] | wagnerrp: | or at least NUT didnt understand the complaints |
| [19:19:22] | wagnerrp: | it just dies seconds after going on battery |
| [19:19:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: hehehe... ;-) These 1400s are "Smart UPS 1400" – so maybe they're "Smarter"? ;-) |
| [19:20:05] | wagnerrp: | a surge that kicks it to battery takes long enough to switch that it loses power before switching back to the mains |
| [19:20:13] | wagnerrp: | actually caused reliability of one of my machines to drop |
| [19:21:41] | wagnerrp: | a BackUPS XS 800 |
| [19:21:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: http://www.batterywholesale.com |
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| [19:23:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yikes, yeah – ~$80 even from them... (if the "Back UPS 800" is the same model) |
| [19:25:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Looks like the ones for our 1400's are now $73 a set... Still cheaper than the $200+ per set that APC wants... |
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| [19:26:03] | wagnerrp: | those dont look at all like the ones i use |
| [19:26:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yikes! $52.95 for shipping of 3 sets!! eek! I'll bet I can get the same batteries locally cheaper... |
| [19:26:35] | wagnerrp: | this is a set of 2, bonded together, with a 3-pin cable |
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| [19:27:46] | wagnerrp: | i think i went there before, and didnt see anything remotely compatible |
| [19:28:37] | wagnerrp: | now heres what i dont understand |
| [19:28:45] | wagnerrp: | this is a 800VA/540W unit |
| [19:28:59] | wagnerrp: | ive got a cyberpower 900VA/560W unit on the floor next to me |
| [19:29:10] | wagnerrp: | 20W for 100VA just doesnt seem right |
| [19:29:27] | Beirdo: | it depends on load factor, etc |
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| [19:30:10] | Beirdo: | been SO long since I did power theory in university that I don't recall the gory details ;) |
| [19:30:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, all those #'s depend on the load type, etc... ie: Inductive vs resistive... so they can play games with them too... |
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| [19:30:37] | Beirdo: | with DC voltage/current, 1VA = 1W |
| [19:30:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I've got an APC whitepaper about the VA vs W data... |
| [19:31:02] | Beirdo: | with AC, it depends on the load. Inductive vs capacitive vs resistive |
| [19:31:08] | Beirdo: | it's a vector thing |
| [19:31:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ yeah. ;-) |
| [19:31:21] | wagnerrp: | so with a PF of 100% (reasonable considering active PF PSUs are rated for 99%+), would i be able to power a 560W PSU, or a 900W PSU? |
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| [19:32:02] | Beirdo: | I doubt you'd ever get PF 100% (totally resistive) without it just being a resistor :) |
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| [19:32:07] | wagnerrp: | im guessing the former |
| [19:32:09] | Beirdo: | but, in theory, yeah |
| [19:32:19] | wagnerrp: | since ive been overspec on somewhere around 550W load |
| [19:32:32] | Beirdo: | if PF = 100%, 1VA = 1W, IIRC |
| [19:33:08] | Beirdo: | it HAS been... 13 years... |
| [19:33:08] | wagnerrp: | meaning the 900VA is some bogus number, expecting a 0.60PF? |
| [19:33:09] | Beirdo: | so. |
| [19:33:25] | Beirdo: | effectively |
| [19:33:40] | wagnerrp: | or is that an either-or kind of thing |
| [19:33:50] | wagnerrp: | those are both valid limits, which ever one is higher |
| [19:34:26] | wagnerrp: | with say a 0.40PF PSU, it could only manage 350W |
| [19:34:53] | Beirdo: | well, the battery would be 900VA.. but the load affects the effective wattage available |
| [19:35:04] | Beirdo: | not sure which way they actually measure it though |
| [19:35:38] | wagnerrp: | is it actually putting that cyclic load on the battery? |
| [19:35:46] | wagnerrp: | i figured it would be a constant draw off the battery |
| [19:35:56] | wagnerrp: | and their own internal capacitors would handle the conversion |
| [19:36:29] | Beirdo: | heh, I forget all those details |
| [19:36:35] | Beirdo: | too much beer has intervened |
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| [19:36:46] | wagnerrp: | just seems bad to surge the battery like that |
| [19:37:17] | Beirdo: | well, IIRC, it depends on the type of battery |
| [19:37:39] | Beirdo: | some like to be charged hot-n-heavy, some like trickle |
| [19:37:57] | Beirdo: | depends on the battery chemistry |
| [19:38:32] | Beirdo: | but I've forgotten more than I remembered... I hated that class :) |
| [19:38:52] | wagnerrp: | see... now this is why i went into rocket science |
| [19:38:57] | wagnerrp: | so much more straight forward |
| [19:39:06] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:39:09] | Beirdo: | literally |
| [19:39:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Ah, so batteries are just like Women... ;-) |
| [19:39:30] | Beirdo: | yeah, some even explode if charged wrong |
| [19:39:50] | ** J-e-f-f-A is ROTFLHAO! ** | |
| [19:40:36] | jamesd2: | a single woman without batteries is not a good thing... |
| [19:41:09] | Beirdo: | no comment |
| [19:42:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | jamesd2: reminds me of a quote from Leno... "A survey revealed that 52% of women had amitted to having used vibrators." "The other 48% bought them new." <- Hehehehehe |
| [19:43:25] | Beirdo: | "It's my money and I need it NOW!" |
| [19:43:28] | Beirdo: | stupid commercials |
| [19:46:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: No 'skip' button? ;-) |
| [19:47:33] | Beirdo: | on the hotel TV? unfortunately not |
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| [20:01:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | johnnyj: Nice... got the svn plugin for eclipse working with a different one than described on the wiki. ;-) |
| [20:02:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yikes, time to order more backup tapes for work... I'm down to just a few left! (like literally 3!) DOH! |
| [20:04:24] | johnnyj: | J-e-f-f-A: subclipse or something? |
| [20:05:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | johnnyj: Umm... No, subclipse was the one that apparently didn't like my version of SVN (latest)... let me see... |
| [20:06:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | johnnyj: from the eclipse Galileo downloads: "Subversive SVN Team Provider (incubation)" |
| [20:06:34] | johnnyj: | subversive – that's right |
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| [20:31:43] | andrewe: | hi |
| [20:32:37] | andrewe: | Does the Diseqc configuration use implicit switch positions? |
| [20:34:43] | andrewe: | I can't get any channels, although I have anything working in kaffeine. |
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| [20:50:42] | itsmex: | hi |
| [20:50:55] | itsmex: | i just updated from 0.20. after hard work mythtv works, but actually I can´t watch tv or record. when I start TV from the base menu on a black screen in the middle only "please wait" is showing. I already removed all capture cards and providers, made a channel-search and checked the tuner by cat /dev/video0 >/tmp/somefile.mpg. The controller works in this cat... fine, but not in mythtv – any ideas? |
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| [20:52:13] | wagnerrp: | suggestion in the other channel still stands, check your backend logs for errors |
| [20:52:30] | johnnyj: | heh |
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| [20:55:44] | itsmex: | wagnerrp: 2010-07–16 22:54:20.930 MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: Failed to start recordin is this a problem? |
| [20:56:12] | wagnerrp: | could you pastebin everything from a few seconds before and after that? |
| [20:56:13] | itsmex: | also, RingBuf(/data/mythtv/1028_20100716225420.mpg): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/data/mythtv/1028_20100716225420.mpg'. |
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| [20:56:36] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:54:20.152 MainServer::ANN Playback |
| [20:56:36] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:54:20.255 adding: atlantis.hq.stgt.etes.de as a client (events: 0) |
| [20:56:36] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:54:20.326 TVRec(1): Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| [20:56:36] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:54:20.376 TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1 |
| [20:56:36] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:54:20.572 ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '1028_20100716225420.mpg' |
| [20:56:36] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:54:20.663 MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Warning: Audio sample rate 32000 Hz |
| [20:56:38] | itsmex: | is not supported by ivtv driver, using 48000 Hz instead. |
| [20:56:40] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:54:20.672 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 2.0 GB w/freq: 15 min |
| [20:56:42] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:54:20.793 ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '1028_20100716225420.mpg' |
| [20:56:44] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:54:20.823 ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '1028_20100716225420.mpg' |
| [20:56:46] | wagnerrp: | no no no... .pasteBIN |
| [20:56:46] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:54:20.860 MainServer::ANN Playback |
| [20:56:48] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:54:20.884 MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: StartEncoding failed |
| [20:56:50] | itsmex: | eno: Invalid argument (22) |
| [20:56:55] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:54:20.897 adding: atlantis.hq.stgt.etes.de as a client (events: 0) |
| [20:56:56] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:54:20.930 MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: Failed to start recording |
| [20:56:58] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:54:20.968 MainServer::HandleAnnounce FileTransfer |
| [20:57:00] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:54:21.009 MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: StopEncoding failed |
| [20:57:02] | itsmex: | eno: Invalid argument (22) |
| [20:57:04] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:54:21.034 adding: atlantis.hq.stgt.etes.de as a remote file transfer |
| [20:57:06] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:54:21.117 ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '1028_20100716225420.mpg' |
| [20:57:08] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:54:27.658 RingBuf(/data/mythtv/1028_20100716225420.mpg): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/data/mythtv/1028_20100716225420.mpg'. |
| [20:57:11] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:54:27.731 ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '1028_20100716225420.mpg' |
| [20:57:13] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:54:27.841 ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '1028_20100716225420.mpg' |
| [20:57:15] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:55:07.851 ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '1028_20100716225420.mpg' |
| [20:57:17] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:55:07.928 TVRec(1): Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None |
| [20:57:19] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:55:07.994 ProgramInfo(1028_20100716225420.mpg), Error: Unknown type, recording width was 0 |
| [20:57:24] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:55:08.038 ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '1028_20100716225420.mpg' |
| [20:57:26] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:55:08.130 ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '1028_20100716225420.mpg' |
| [20:57:28] | itsmex: | 2010-07–16 22:55:08.185 ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '1028_20100716225420.mpg' |
| [20:59:25] | itsmex: | http://pastebin.com/qWikuKfJ |
| [20:59:32] | itsmex: | sorry |
| [20:59:39] | wagnerrp: | well you already pasted it to the channel, no point pastebinning it now |
| [20:59:59] | elmojo: | it's the thought that counts :) |
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| [21:00:31] | ** Beirdo makes a rude smell... ahhhh. ** | |
| [21:01:27] | itsmex: | ok, it was a fault!!!!! |
| [21:02:16] | wagnerrp: | did you upgrade or start fresh? |
| [21:02:44] | itsmex: | I upgraded |
| [21:03:03] | wagnerrp: | there shouldnt be any upgrade issues |
| [21:03:19] | wagnerrp: | but just for kicks, how about you delete the card from mythtv-setup, and add it back in |
| [21:03:27] | wagnerrp: | should take 2–3 minutes |
| [21:03:37] | wagnerrp: | be sure to add it as an ivtv mpeg card |
| [21:03:46] | itsmex: | that I have already done... |
| [21:04:10] | itsmex: | and I got all channels by scanning |
| [21:05:34] | itsmex: | so the card is working fine |
| [21:05:38] | johnnyj: | i've got an osx-packager.pl problem – http://mythtv.pastebin.com/Zs33uLdM |
| [21:06:36] | wagnerrp: | the 'audio sample rate 32khz' stuff almost makes me wonder if its a problem with the recording profile |
| [21:06:56] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know enough about how those are handled to know if that is a problem, and how to fix it if it were |
| [21:10:23] | johnnyj: | it looks like the installer is upset about qmake not existing |
| [21:10:32] | johnnyj: | is it safe to just re-run it? |
| [21:12:00] | wagnerrp: | you have qt4.5+ installed? |
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| [21:12:38] | johnnyj: | um – i didn't install it – didn't i see it fly by when the scrpit was installing things? |
| [21:13:21] | wagnerrp: | i see no indication that qt is installed |
| [21:13:59] | johnnyj: | so should i update the wiki at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Building_MythTV_on . . . utomatically to indicate i need to install qt 1st? |
| [21:14:01] | wagnerrp: | although i thought qmake was a qt3 thing |
| [21:14:29] | wagnerrp: | the build script could very well install qt for you, i have no idea |
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| [21:19:20] | gbee: | pretty sure the build script is supposed to install all the dependencies |
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| [21:20:31] | johnnyj: | the downloaded src to qt is located in a .osx-packager.pl/src folder |
| [21:20:43] | johnnyj: | am I supposed to run this script with sudo ? |
| [21:20:46] | DrChef: | there isn't a official forum for mythtv, so is there a nntp server available? |
| [21:20:55] | kormoc: | johnnyj, no |
| [21:21:02] | wagnerrp: | no forum, no nntp server |
| [21:21:02] | kormoc: | DrChef, huh? |
| [21:21:09] | gbee: | DrChef: mailing lists and IRC only |
| [21:21:26] | kormoc: | ooh, news server, I read that as ntp |
| [21:21:41] | DrChef: | i don't like mailing lists :( ... ok thanks for info |
| [21:21:57] | kormoc: | DrChef, you can view the mailing lists via a web interface |
| [21:22:03] | Beirdo: | nntp would likely be smarter overall rather than mailing lists, but that decision was made ages ago, and we've stuck with it |
| [21:22:08] | gbee: | johnnyj: it should have built and installed QT first, I'm not familiar with OSX but can you search for the qmake binary? What does "qmake --version" on the command line give? |
| [21:22:30] | gbee: | nntp is officially dead |
| [21:22:37] | kormoc: | Beirdo, with how many isp's block nntp... |
| [21:22:40] | johnnyj: | gbee: no it's really missing – im running sudo make install in the qt src folder |
| [21:22:53] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: they /block/ nntp traffic? |
| [21:22:57] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, aye |
| [21:22:59] | Beirdo: | nntp is not dead. And technically it is WAY better than SMTP for this type of use |
| [21:23:01] | wagnerrp: | i thought they just stopped providing nntp service |
| [21:23:11] | Beirdo: | but yeah, many ISPs are retarded :) |
| [21:23:23] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, none of the big ones have, but a lot of the smaller ones just block it outright rather then dealing with the DMCA issues |
| [21:23:26] | ** Beirdo shrugs ** | |
| [21:23:47] | kormoc: | johnnyj, you shouldn't need to, it's all build and run relative |
| [21:23:48] | wagnerrp: | they could simply not carry binaries |
| [21:23:55] | Beirdo: | there's no DMCA issue to allowing the traffic, just in actually running the servers, I would think |
| [21:24:01] | gbee: | Beirdo: it's dead, the fact that a few zombies still roam doesn't change that |
| [21:24:07] | Beirdo: | any more than there would be with passing mail |
| [21:24:19] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: they dont want to deal with discovery requests |
| [21:24:20] | johnnyj: | kormoc: dunno – this is a fresh install of leapard (non snow) |
| [21:24:30] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:24:30] | johnnyj: | xcode and x11 are present |
| [21:24:37] | kormoc: | Beirdo, if they're not common carriers (small isp's tend not to be), they share the responsibility |
| [21:24:38] | gbee: | johnnyj: odd, but then probably par for the course with a huge complex script that is pulling in sources from all over the place and trying to build/install then in the correct order |
| [21:24:50] | Beirdo: | ahh, how lame |
| [21:25:28] | Beirdo: | anyways, all moot. We ain't using it, and likely never will |
| [21:26:45] | gbee: | no question that nntp is better than a mailing list, but the world has moved on, whether it's really an improvement or not, http (forums) have become the de-facto standard for that sort of communication |
| [21:26:58] | Beirdo: | yeah, and are LAME :) |
| [21:27:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:27:12] | Beirdo: | just more proof that people are stupid :) |
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| [21:30:18] | gbee: | Isaac doesn't want official forums since they tend to attract idiocy, more so than mailing lists and I have to agree (nntp wasn't exempt from that and unlike forums, it was harder to moderate/ban trolls etc) |
| [21:30:53] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [21:31:10] | Beirdo: | forums attract the internet BLEEPtard |
| [21:31:45] | Beirdo: | and nntp definitely is more... distributed... That's part of the good though, along with it being part of the bad. |
| [21:31:56] | Beirdo: | mailing lists wokr |
| [21:31:58] | Beirdo: | work |
| [21:32:34] | gbee: | something about having to subscribe to mailing lists using a valid and public email means that generally people troll less, average IQ may even be higher since the fuckwits don't understand how to get on the mailing lists to start with |
| [21:32:36] | Beirdo: | not that we've really moderated the 'tards in the mailing lists that much either |
| [21:32:58] | Beirdo: | language :) hehe |
| [21:33:08] | Beirdo: | although I whole-heartedly agree there |
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| [22:03:13] | bjd: | Hm |
| [22:03:28] | bjd: | got a weird issue with the internal player and subtites |
| [22:03:43] | ** bjd upgrades before looking into filing a bug report ** | |
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| [23:09:32] | Beirdo: | oh joy. so mythgallery needs to go to mythui too... hehe |
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| [23:10:27] | Beirdo: | fun |
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| [23:20:19] | stuartm: | parts of it are already mythui, but the screen which displays the fullsize image was never ported because to do it properly means moving the gl transition stuff into mythui and that wasn't a job I wanted to tackle at the time |
| [23:20:35] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [23:20:53] | stuartm: | or now for that matter, but maybe in a few months I'll feel differently |
| [23:20:59] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:21:02] | johnnyj: | is the wiki hosed at the moment? |
| [23:21:16] | ** Beirdo sends stuartm some choice beer as inspiration ** | |
| [23:21:17] | johnnyj: | i can't get http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Mac_OS_X to load after going home |
| [23:21:32] | stuartm: | loads fine from here |
| [23:22:06] | wagnerrp: | ditto |
| [23:22:25] | wagnerrp: | (that it works just fine) |
| [23:23:44] | johnnyj: | hmm – my dns resolution is failng |
| [23:23:54] | johnnyj: | yet somehow i got on irc |
| [23:25:36] | johnnyj: | and we're back |
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| [23:26:54] | wagnerrp: | from outer space |
| [23:27:31] | johnnyj: | mmm |
| [23:27:48] | johnnyj: | im too tired to work on this now |
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| [23:33:26] | seventoes: | So i got my comcast digital converter, but using this thing i need to have the converter change the channel. I'm assuming I'll need an IR blaster to do the job for me? |
| [23:34:11] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [23:36:39] | seventoes: | is there an lirc config for comcast's digital converter DTA100? |
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| [23:37:05] | seventoes: | google answered that one :) |
| [23:38:12] | wagnerrp: | do i comment on the slashdot article i moderated on and lose those points? |
| [23:38:22] | wagnerrp: | theres someone being completely ignorant in my area of expertise |
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| [23:39:04] | wagnerrp: | can i trust someone else to get it right? |
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| [23:40:17] | seventoes: | "Someone's wrong on the internet?!" |
| [23:40:40] | wagnerrp: | someone is getting plasma physics all wrong... |
| [23:40:46] | seventoes: | oh man no way |
| [23:44:42] | seventoes: | all right i'm having some kind of weirdness going on |
| [23:45:06] | seventoes: | when i bought my tuner card a couple months ago the auction said it was a Hauppauge PVR-150 |
| [23:45:24] | seventoes: | came with a remote, i set it up with PVr-150 guides and a LIRC config for that card |
| [23:45:27] | seventoes: | and all was peachy |
| [23:45:41] | seventoes: | but now i'm looking at pics online… my card isn't a 150 o.O |
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| [23:46:57] | seventoes: | the connections on the card aren't the same :-/ |
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| [23:50:45] | wagnerrp: | it could be the media center version |
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| [23:53:08] | seventoes: | yeah im thinkin that, can't find a pic though |
| [23:53:33] | seventoes: | ah |
| [23:53:34] | seventoes: | yeah |
| [23:55:09] | seventoes: | tryin to figure out if i can use this IR light I got from an old WebTV box as my IR blaster, it's an audio jack like headphones |
| [23:55:13] | seventoes: | so I won't have to buy a serial one |
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