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Sunday, July 11th, 2010, 00:05 UTC
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[00:27:53] Sereph: ok I just installed mythtv but it doesnt seem to be working... is there a walkthrough to setup the tuner card? and my AWN panel covers up the bottom of mythtv any way to fix that
[00:32:16] dewman: Sereph, Here you go... http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.1
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[00:33:39] Sereph: dewman: thanks
[00:33:49] dewman: Sereph, your welcome
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[00:51:05] rhollan: Whaaa? I restored a db and lost mythweb. What happened?
[00:52:04] jayvee: "lost mythweb" means what?
[00:56:39] Sereph: what do I do with adding this /var/video dir to the myth-setup
[00:57:48] rhollan: I had a default mythtv install, before configuring. I got a plain web interface as I expected. But when I restored the mythtv I get a blank page.
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[00:58:35] dewman: rhollan, the setup guide is assuming you are hand installing. Are you using a distro such as mythbuntu,or mythdora?
[00:59:09] rhollan: I am using mythbuntu
[00:59:41] dewman: 10.04?
[00:59:44] rhollan: I know the apache side is working, since I do lap-based authentication to that page and that still works
[00:59:48] rhollan: yes 10.04
[00:59:53] rhollan: ldap-basd
[01:00:00] rhollan: ldap-basEd
[01:04:23] dewman: here is the official mythbuntu setup guide. http://www.mythbuntu.org/wiki/installation-guide
[01:05:41] dewman: rhollan, this page has nice pretty pictures. so it should help a little more. =)
[01:05:49] dewman: rhollan, http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php
[01:07:24] rhollan: I had it set up. I just restored a backed up database.
[01:07:44] rhollan: I noticed that all the /var/lib/mythtv/mythtv php stuff then disappeared.
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[01:13:47] jayvee: rhollan: look in your apache error.log
[01:13:56] jayvee: if there's a php error, hopefully it'll be sent to the error log
[01:14:40] jayvee: and possible set display_errors = On in your php.ini file
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[01:17:06] dewman: wooops.... Sorry rhollan, my dislexia kicked in... I meant to talk to Sereph. My bad.
[01:17:48] kormoc: jayvee, how would checking for errors help if the php files are gone?
[01:17:52] rhollan: PHP Warning: require(modules/_shared/tmpl/tmpl/header.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/_shared/tmpl/_errors/fatal.php on line 23
[01:18:10] kormoc: rhollan, you have a incorrectly setup database config
[01:18:11] jayvee: kormoc: he said he gets a blank page, not 404 Not Found
[01:18:16] rhollan: So that makes sense as the file is actually not present... what I wonder is WHY is it gone.
[01:18:29] rhollan: kormoc: I restored from a db on the same machine
[01:18:47] jayvee: rhollan: actually, have a look at what file is calling that
[01:18:52] kormoc: rhollan, tmpl/tmpl is a known bug that's fixed in -trunk that happens with a configuration issue
[01:18:58] jayvee: fatal.php is looking for header.php
[01:19:06] jayvee: don't you think it's suspcious that fatal.php is even executing?
[01:19:16] jayvee: that tells me the root cause is likely not the fact that header.php is missing
[01:19:31] rhollan: I figured fatal.php was the catchall for php errors
[01:19:32] kormoc: rhollan, doesn't mean you restored the same mysql permissions
[01:20:10] rhollan: who should own /usr/share/mythtv/*
[01:20:32] kormoc: doesn't matter
[01:21:08] rhollan: crap. how can I recover from this?
[01:21:16] kormoc: like I said, check your database setup
[01:21:25] rhollan: check what?
[01:21:32] kormoc: username/password/host
[01:21:36] kormoc: that php is using
[01:22:10] rhollan: but, it was working before I restored... or do you mean that php was getting perms from the newly restored database which are now different? That's possible
[01:22:27] rhollan: where would the php config for mythtv be?
[01:23:14] kormoc: check out the apache config file
[01:23:29] kormoc: also see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythWeb#Database_connection_issues
[01:23:55] rhollan: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mythweb.conf?
[01:24:01] kormoc: yes
[01:24:04] rhollan: a restore should not have changed that
[01:24:18] kormoc: a restore likely didn't restore the mysql permissions table
[01:24:33] kormoc: as it's stored in a different database then mythconverg
[01:24:53] rhollan: right, but that was working BEFORE I restore mythconverg
[01:25:15] rhollan: After I restored mythconverg I lost the web page
[01:25:48] kormoc: okay, you win, I can't possibly be right.
[01:25:50] ** kormoc wonders off **
[01:27:10] rhollan: No, I want to understand WHAT is configured wrong.
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[01:29:09] rhollan: Also, mythfrontend DOES connect to the database.
[01:29:19] rhollan: mythweb causes the errors.
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[01:48:04] rhollan: So, how can I explicitly (re)set the mythtv user DB password in mysql?
[01:53:02] rhollan: FIXED IT MYSELF.
[01:53:53] rhollan: There were two problems: connecting to the DB and the fact that there was an existing mythweb_sessions table. I made sure mysql's view of the mythtv password matched mythtv's and I dropped the mythweb_sessions table.
[01:57:22] jayvee: cool
[01:57:34] jayvee: so all working?
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[02:59:45] high-rez: Are there any guidelines around configuring vdpaubuffersize ?
[03:05:34] rhollan: jayvee: still have to get it to recognize my copied ISOs but looks much better.
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[04:00:55] Beirdo: hehe, OMG
[04:01:21] Beirdo: I've actually put something in my schedule from Lifetime...
[04:01:46] Beirdo: Army Wives, to be exact
[04:02:07] Brad-D: any good? I've never heard of it
[04:02:33] high-rez: Heh, Lifetime and LMN at the worst.
[04:02:45] Beirdo: Yeah, I kinda like it. Makes more sense if you saw it from the beginning though
[04:02:53] high-rez: My wife for some reason constantly tries to watch movies on LMN.
[04:03:04] Beirdo: high-rez: yeah, I know... I can't believe I found SOMETHING there...
[04:03:05] Beirdo: heh
[04:03:51] Beirdo: whatever channel this is... seems to have a mix of all sorts of stuff on it
[04:06:37] high-rez: Man, I'm having the worst troubles playing DVDs lately
[04:09:11] Beirdo: use a DVD player :)
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[04:20:43] high-rez: Beirdo: I refuse.
[04:20:50] rhollan: leave it to Beirdo to be funny.
[04:21:08] rhollan: So, why, when I "scan for new music", it finds none in /var/lib/mythtv/music?
[04:21:25] high-rez: Cause you've configured it to look in /dev/null
[04:21:26] high-rez: RTFM
[04:21:41] ** high-rez ducks **
[04:22:32] rhollan: no, it finds exactly two directories: an "Elmo" XMAS rip is one of them.
[04:22:35] rhollan: grrrrr!
[04:22:40] ** rhollan has kids **
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[04:24:27] high-rez: Wow
[04:24:44] high-rez: First, an IRC dude with kids (let alone you know getting the prereq to kids)
[04:24:59] high-rez: And second, like, admitting you have the elmo xmas rip.
[04:25:08] high-rez: You don't belong here man.
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[04:25:53] rhollan: LOL
[04:26:24] rhollan: yeah, but I host my family's mail with iRedMail, and use LDAP backend for remote mythweb auth
[04:26:42] rhollan: it was easier to rip all CDs than to pick and choose
[04:26:57] high-rez: Well see, the fact that you prefer an LDAP backend over SQL explains it all: you enjoy pain.
[04:27:29] high-rez: Have you tried hitting m and telling myth to scan for changes ?
[04:28:43] rhollan: no, but I selected "scan for new music" from the menu
[04:29:09] rhollan: high-rez: actually LDAP is nice for adding arbitrary attributes.
[04:29:12] high-rez: Oh well that should have done it
[04:29:24] wagnerrp: high-rez: a good percentage of the lurkers in here have kids
[04:29:37] rhollan: See, mythweb auth involves a mythtvEnabled attribute on the user tree
[04:30:51] rhollan: grr! still not picking up all music in /var/lib/mythtv/music
[04:33:41] Beirdo: Elmo?! heheh
[04:34:29] ** rhollan is a "Barney and Friends" survivor **
[04:34:44] Beirdo: OMG. Purple pedophile alert!
[04:35:21] high-rez: WeLL HEY KIDS
[04:35:42] rhollan: yup
[04:36:24] rhollan: I hate you / You hate me / Let's hang Barney from a tree / With a great swift kick / And a bullet to the head / Hurray! Barney's dead!
[04:37:25] rhollan: I think it's the TRACK_TITLE setting. I have TRACK-TITLE except for the music it finds, like "Dr. Elmo"
[04:37:31] rhollan: "*shudder*
[04:38:31] high-rez: Are you sure its not just a playlist issue?
[04:40:29] rhollan: high-rez? Don't think so, I enabled display all music, and the music that is found has the track number _ title. Almost all of my music has a dash between track number and title
[04:40:41] rhollan: trying to figure out file format setting to set
[04:40:51] rhollan: I want artist/album/track-title
[04:40:59] rhollan: dunno if that is legal
[04:42:01] wagnerrp: a B&F survivor, and you already have kids?
[04:42:56] rhollan: I survived B%F when my kids went through that phase
[04:43:07] rhollan: I have a 16yo daughter and 10yo son
[04:43:18] wagnerrp: ah, them, not you
[04:44:00] wagnerrp: was going to say... wouldnt you be like 20 at the latest?
[04:44:05] rhollan: can I say ARTIST/ALBUM/TRACK-TITLE instead of ARTIST/ALBUM/TRACK_TITLE which is the default
[04:44:09] rhollan: I am 48
[04:44:27] wagnerrp: no, if you had grown up with barney
[04:44:32] rhollan: can't find docs as to legal format
[04:47:18] rhollan: my daughter grew up with the purple molestasaurus
[04:48:41] rhollan: Waht are the legal mythmysic directory specification options
[04:50:25] wagnerrp: i preferred a more wholesome, family friendly, dinosaur show... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101081
[04:51:37] rhollan: GRRR! Why can't I find docs on legal filename format for mythmusic?
[04:51:51] rhollan: I'm guessing it parses file names corresponding to it.
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[04:53:04] Shadow__X: wagnerrp: i remember the show and it was as whole as rosanne
[04:53:15] Shadow__X: if i can remember correctly
[04:53:26] wagnerrp: oh come on...
[04:53:33] wagnerrp: rosanne was just white trash
[04:53:41] wagnerrp: dinosaurs was DINOSAUR trash
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[04:53:59] Shadow__X: excuse me for the injustice of my comment then
[04:54:23] ** wagnerrp hits Shadow__X with a frying pan **
[04:55:19] Shadow__X: that was well deserved how could i get those two mixed up
[04:55:30] wagnerrp: not-the-momma
[04:55:36] ** wagnerrp hits Shadow__X again **
[04:58:14] rhollan: I loved that show!
[04:58:30] rhollan: now, WHY can't mythmusic find my music?!
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[05:00:36] rhollan: I wonder if I should clear the table in the database and have it rescan
[05:03:08] rhollan: Hmm. The music_artists table is incomplete.
[05:07:13] rhollan: might it be worth wiping the music tables and trying to rescan?
[05:07:33] wagnerrp: no idea
[05:07:39] wagnerrp: never tinkered much with mythmusic
[05:08:08] wagnerrp: to be honest, i thought that format youre talking about was only the file structure given to newly ripped audio
[05:08:35] wagnerrp: i dont think it pulls track information from existing files by their filename
[05:08:44] wagnerrp: only from their id3/whatever tags
[05:10:04] rhollan: well, I can try backing up the database first.
[05:25:21] rhollan: dropping the music tables and rerunning mythfrontend did it!
[05:33:00] wagnerrp: it probably rescanned the tags for each
[05:33:18] wagnerrp: dropping them? not truncating them?
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[05:54:49] BLZbubba: ok i moved my mythtv database from localhost to its own server
[05:55:21] BLZbubba: and now i'm getting flaky behavior, especially in mythweb – le_get_contents(http://mythtv:6544) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed!
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[06:08:05] rhollan: next problem: refinding my DVD artwork.
[06:08:20] rhollan: I can rescan for metadata, but it does not get cover art
[06:19:48] rhollan: getting "Failed to Scan SG Video Hosts" when trying to scan new videos
[06:19:55] rhollan: why?
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[07:24:03] map7_: If I've setup my tuner to record multiple channels from one multiplex is there a way to set which tuner it uses when I go to watch TV?
[07:25:00] map7_: The problem i'm having is that when I'm recording one program off my dual tuner card, then go to Watch TV it selects the first card which is where the recording is happening and only lets me select from channels on the same multiplex
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[07:25:06] map7_: what's the best way around this?
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[07:36:55] map7_: I've worked my problem out, just had to setup the input priority.
[07:43:47] BLZbubba: ok fun: 2010-07–11 01:42:33.298 MythSocket(a107e10:-1): delete socket
[07:43:47] BLZbubba: Segmentation fault
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[08:18:39] hipitihop: how do I control how long the osd of caller id stays up ?
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[08:22:45] oobe: caller ID are you using mythphone?
[08:22:54] oobe: i didnt think that was supported anymore
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[08:25:11] hipitihop: oobe, have not heard of mythphone but will look it up, I'm using http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+t . . . +integration
[08:26:22] hipitihop: although the sterisk vars have changed slightly.. I'm using the following from asterisk and it works.... System(/usr/bin/mythtvosd --template=cid --caller_name="Incoming" --caller_number="${CALLERID(num)}" --caller_date="${STRFTIME(${EPOCH},,%d%m%Y-%H:%M:%S)}")
[08:28:33] Floppe: mythtvosd had som limitations which I don't remember right now so I'm using xyac instead.
[08:28:43] oobe: oh ok i didnt relise it was still possible
[08:28:56] oobe: there was a module in mythplugins called mythphone
[08:29:20] oobe: its outdated and got taken out before .21 or .22
[08:30:11] jayvee: is it possible to feed a http stream (or maybe reading the stdout of an app) into mythtv so I can both watch using mythtv and timeshift with it?
[08:31:03] jayvee: I've written a script that fetches videos from iView (.au equivalent of iPlayer), and I'd like to be able to watch them in MythTV without launching an external app like MPlayer.
[08:32:17] orly_owl: oobe: Do you still have that Hulu script?
[08:32:26] jayvee: so this would be preferably a mythbackend integration, not just a mythfrontend integration
[08:32:41] hipitihop: oobe, oh, so mythphone is no longer available in 0.22 ?
[08:32:58] oobe: no i dont know very much about voip either
[08:33:07] oobe: so im not good to talk to about this
[08:33:25] oobe: but i was curious as i remember the mythphone plugin from past releases
[08:34:44] oobe: as for setting the amount of time the OSD displays the caller ID i would think there would be an option in mythtvosd
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[09:39:59] gbee: rhollan: the filename format can be specified in the settings to match whatever you are using
[09:40:39] gbee: but you'll get better results in the long term if your music is properly tagged, mythmusic supports tags in lots of formats
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[10:11:41] Dassu: is there a way to open internal player through cmd line?
[10:13:17] oobe: if you mean use an internal player in cli and not mythtv then yes
[10:13:36] oobe: i.e open a console and type the command and filepath
[10:15:16] Dassu: eh... so what's the command for internal player?
[10:15:51] clever: mythtv
[10:18:25] Dassu: thx
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[10:27:10] gbee: err no
[10:27:23] gbee: mythavtest
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[10:44:26] coolblue: moin
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[11:29:38] drindt: myth isnt playing my dvd, it complains that encryption support is not available but it libdvdcss is installed. what can i do?
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[12:08:43] drindt: myth isnt playing my dvd, it complains that encryption support is not available but it libdvdcss is installed. what can i do?
[12:16:56] oobe: have you tried playing it in an external player
[12:19:15] clever: mplayer dvd://
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[12:39:01] drindt: clever: on the same box?
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[12:44:16] drindt: clever: iam dont know how to fix that http://fpaste.org/U66d/
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[12:59:06] justinh: well, finally got tired of fooling around with alsa configs. got myself a usb soundcard & am outputting my squeezeslave over that. Eat that, alsa man
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[14:00:18] cleith: Hello
[14:00:27] cleith: Anyone around today?
[14:01:08] cleith: Anyone have hdpvr working with a remote (RX, not TX)?
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[14:05:25] clever: drindt: yes, dvd playback only ever works with the local drives
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[14:29:33] coolblue: HI! Is this message normal? "DVBRec(12:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): PID 0x1ffe discontinuity detected" It logs my backend log full, when I switch the logmode of the backend to "most"
[14:36:41] gbee: coolblue: are you having any problems?
[14:36:58] gbee: if not, ignore it (and don't run the backend with -v most)
[14:38:01] justinh: that kind of logging verbosity is intended to be used for debugging purposes :)
[14:38:15] coolblue: Have problems in frontend with prebuffering pause.. okey the backend error is only on some channels.. the frontend error I have always in different intensity
[14:38:40] justinh: coolblue: that kind of error is generally due to the frontend not being able to keep up with playback for whatever reason
[14:39:16] justinh: like insufficient CPU, audio problems, network issues...
[14:39:57] justinh: IO, at a push.. but if your system is so logjammed it's struggling to read & write a few Mb/sec there's something quite wrong
[14:40:08] coolblue: I have already check my system against the wiki… I don't find the problem :-( core2duo 9400m mac mini hardware.. it should have enough power
[14:40:23] justinh: enough power for what?
[14:40:38] coolblue: LiveTV
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[14:40:57] justinh: people who select the wrong video playback profile – or an inappropriate one for their hardware – can see those kind of problems
[14:41:14] cleith: anyone successfully got a hdpvr remote working (RX in particular)?
[14:41:21] justinh: there are many variables :)
[14:41:26] coolblue: I use VDPAU and the backend and frontend runs on different macs
[14:41:48] coolblue: cpu is at 3–10%
[14:41:59] cleith: anyone know what to make of: "lirc_zilog: i2c_master_recv failed with -5 — keeping last read buffer"
[14:43:02] justinh: coolblue: and are you using any of the advanced deinterlacers? I hear some of them won't work if you don't have enough ram allocated to the GPU
[14:43:32] justinh: IIRC advanced 2x needs > 256MB
[14:43:44] coolblue: I have also tried to use none of them
[14:44:09] justinh: coolblue: is this with h.264 HD or mpeg2?
[14:44:17] coolblue: justinh: both
[14:44:22] justinh: ruh?
[14:44:55] coolblue: I watch SDTV mpeg2 and have prebuffering pause's and a very short audio dropout (hearable)
[14:45:10] coolblue: the same effekt von HDTV H264 in the same manner
[14:45:15] justinh: btw are you running linux on the mac mini?
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[14:45:19] coolblue: I think its not a video profile problem
[14:45:22] justinh: cos VDPAU won't work on OSX
[14:45:28] coolblue: yes ubuntu 10 lts
[14:45:31] justinh: k
[14:45:49] coolblue: with the latest 0.23-fixes
[14:46:01] justinh: coolblue: if it's not a playback profile thing I'm afraid it's going to be something nastily esoteric & hard to find
[14:46:27] justinh: but FWIW it could be useful to run mythfrontend with -v playback & look for more clues there
[14:46:41] coolblue: is there no debugging chance? or I can I increase the frontend buffer or so?
[14:47:13] justinh: even a simple thing like the sound device buffers being messed up can screw playback
[14:47:15] coolblue: I cannot differ between if it is a frontend playback problem or if it is a backend problem that have problems to deliver the stream
[14:47:26] justinh: I very much doubt it's a backend problem
[14:47:37] justinh: try with -v playback on the frontend
[14:48:16] justinh: coolblue: but – the message using -v most on the backend reveals may well still be a factor – and I'm thinking signal quality
[14:48:48] coolblue: When I watching a recorded TV show.. I have no problems
[14:49:06] justinh: only livetv? that's strange since it's actually a recording
[14:49:35] justinh: if you pause livetv & then continue it do the prebuffering pauses go away?
[14:49:40] coolblue: yes the recorded video is nice.. and the playback too… but on livetv it have very small dropouts :-(
[14:49:57] coolblue: hmm I could test it.. good idea
[14:50:34] justinh: if there's any difference when you pause & unpause livetv I still have no idea what it can be though
[14:50:57] justinh: I gave up trying to diagnose my playback problems & junked my epia frontend, replacing it with a real computer :)
[14:51:19] justinh: no was I was gonna compile mythfrontend on that lame machine
[14:53:09] coolblue: hehe.. I have tried a atom hardware.. but I don't like it
[14:54:02] coolblue: hmm at the moment I watching the same channel as yesterday and at the moment I have no prebuffering pause's *grrr*
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[14:58:01] coolblue: justinh: mythtv is like playing poker ^_^
[14:58:47] justinh: dunno. never played poker :)
[14:58:56] coolblue: or roulette *gg*
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[15:02:42] coolblue: justinh: hmm the option "always stream from backend" seems to make it better.. I will make more tests
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[15:06:48] coolblue: How can I supress that EPG starts wenn I start "Watching TV" ?
[15:07:06] coolblue: I mean the EPG menu
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[15:11:19] gbee: it's a setting that is off by default, you must have enabled it
[15:11:39] coolblue: where is this setting?
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[15:12:04] gbee: "TV Settings > Programme Guide" maybe
[15:13:09] coolblue: uhhhh
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[15:13:25] coolblue: yes… my fault..
[15:13:45] coolblue: thanks gbee
[15:21:51] wagnerrp: gbee: there you go again, adding spurious characters to words
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[15:23:51] gbee: curse my education!
[15:24:26] gbee: :p
[15:32:09] sid3windr: did you mean... educationne?
[15:32:12] sid3windr: =)
[15:32:40] coolblue: "WriteAudio: buffer underrun" on channel switch is normal, or?
[15:32:53] wagnerrp: frontend or backend?
[15:33:05] coolblue: frontend
[15:33:19] wagnerrp: if you arent having playback outright fail, i wouldnt worry about it
[15:33:58] coolblue: I don't understand what you mean (my english isn't so good)
[15:34:22] wagnerrp: does playback fail back to the main menu?
[15:34:48] coolblue: no, I get a lock and see the video
[15:35:04] wagnerrp: if its working, then any log messages shouldnt be of any concern
[15:35:14] coolblue: okey thx
[15:35:36] justinh: so the prebuffering pauses are gone now?
[15:35:56] justinh: btw if you're not using wired ethernet you should consider it
[15:36:23] coolblue: justinh: it seems to gone away… I use gigabit with cat6 cables
[15:39:44] coolblue: I think my mythtv project is now stable enough to go in production with serveral frontends for my family with 7 persons :-)
[15:41:37] coolblue: but apple have outdated the cheap mac mini… the new have the new GT320 from nvidia, but it is very expensive in germany with 809€
[15:42:04] wagnerrp: so build your own frontends
[15:42:44] wagnerrp: you can put together a similarly spec'd, and fairly small, machine for half that
[15:42:52] coolblue: I haven't found any hardware that is as silent as the mac mini and have so low power consumptions of only 20W (and is NOT a Atom)
[15:43:11] wagnerrp: why are you so concerned about power consumption?
[15:43:48] coolblue: why not? in germany electricity is very expensive
[15:43:54] growler: and why is "not an atom" important?
[15:43:55] coolblue: in compare of USA
[15:44:07] wagnerrp: how much is your power, per kWh?
[15:44:35] coolblue: about 14 eurocent
[15:44:42] justinh: if you *really* want low power just don't use a computer for your DVR
[15:44:58] wagnerrp: so a 50W machine, youre looking at maybe 10euro per year to operate
[15:45:27] wagnerrp: remember, you dont have to keep your dedicated frontends on all the time
[15:45:29] ** gbee taunts wagnerrp with a € **
[15:45:37] wagnerrp: shut them down or put them in standby
[15:45:53] ** wagnerrp doesnt have one of them keys **
[15:46:13] coolblue: yes but I have calculated it several times and a normal pc with a nice case cost about 500–600 euro
[15:46:33] wagnerrp: 10€ would be for running it ~4hrs per day
[15:47:43] coolblue: and I will need time to optimzie the noise of the pc.. buy the correct fan.. and so on.. needs time and I have not enough :-)
[15:50:00] coolblue: what is ProgramInfo() Updated pathname? in frontend… after that I get back my prebuffering pause messages with audio dropouts
[15:50:12] wagnerrp: excess verbosity
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[15:53:14] justinh: coolblue: much cheaper to hide a big fugly noisy box & use longer HDMI cables :)
[15:53:55] justinh: when/if I ever go proper HD the frontend will be going byebyes & all AV content will be provided by the machine which is currently just the backend
[15:55:29] justinh: shove a more powerful CPU in there, maybe a Nvidia GTXsomething card & use the current frontend box as a video editing machine
[15:58:12] coolblue: hehe
[15:58:32] coolblue: wagnerrp: excess verbosity? what do you mean?
[15:59:45] wagnerrp: i mean its extra garbage logging you dont need to worry about
[16:00:08] coolblue: ah okey
[16:00:10] wagnerrp: i cant seem to figure out how to share a wishlist on newegg....
[16:01:09] wagnerrp: here we go.... http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishD . . . ber=11977711
[16:02:44] wagnerrp: a quiet, fairly powerful, fairly low powered dedicated frontend for $280
[16:02:58] wagnerrp: $300 if you need to pick up a remote for it
[16:03:52] coolblue: where is the power supply?
[16:03:54] wagnerrp: comparable with intel guts might be around $350
[16:04:03] wagnerrp: its built into the case, 120W
[16:04:56] coolblue: okey.. it is cheap but not nice looking :-(
[16:05:15] coolblue: missing IR receiver and dvd-rom
[16:05:44] wagnerrp: yeah, i said you would probably have to tack on another 20 for an IR receiver
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[16:06:04] wagnerrp: and a DVD drive has never been something ive looked for in an HTPC
[16:06:12] coolblue: hmm I will have it in case not outside with extra cable...
[16:06:26] wagnerrp: so drill a hole in the front of the case
[16:06:42] wagnerrp: or in the 5.25" bay bezel
[16:06:58] coolblue: hmm...
[16:07:09] wagnerrp: if you /need/ a case that comes with IR built in, it /will/ cost you a boatload of money
[16:07:39] Brad-D: hey wagnerrp, that example frontend you just provided, would it handle HD fairly well?
[16:07:56] wagnerrp: Brad-D: the CPU itself should be able to handle quite a bit
[16:08:07] wagnerrp: anything it doesnt, the GF8200 onboard will do
[16:08:14] coolblue: this is the cheapiest case that I have found that I like and it cost about 200 euro > http://www.chieftec.eu/images/cases_big/hm-03sl.jpg
[16:08:40] Brad-D: thanks, this is perfect timing. I've been pondering getting a small frontend. Right now I have a full tower case with 9 drives sitting beside my tv :>
[16:08:53] coolblue: lol
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[16:09:09] wagnerrp: Brad-D: i would check the clearances on that heatsink before you just buy that list
[16:09:34] justinh: ooo. a black coloured case I actually like the look of
[16:09:37] wagnerrp: you may also want to see if zotac has a version of that board with HDMI, if HDMI audio is something youre looking for
[16:09:52] justinh: arghh. til I saw the enlarged pic. front mounted ports. grr
[16:10:29] justinh: why can't they do the right thing & put them on the side – or just leave em on the back?
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[16:10:46] coolblue: justinh: which case do you mean?
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[16:10:56] wagnerrp: the black hec one i posted
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[16:11:10] Brad-D: wagnerrp: any parituclar reason you went amd vs intel? I could be sucked into the Intel hype, but i always seem to get intel
[16:11:22] justinh: you have to pay large amounts of cash not to see front ports, it seems :-\
[16:11:30] wagnerrp: Brad-D: AMD is usually just cheaper and 'good enough'
[16:11:44] justinh: wouldn't mind if they were finished better but I *hate* those coloured audio jacks
[16:12:01] wagnerrp: justinh: a fine tipped brush and some black paint?
[16:12:03] coolblue: brad-d: amd have low power consumption, lower price and lower heat… intel is good in mobile cpu's thats even lower in all in compare of amd-desktop cpus.. like the mac mini
[16:12:21] coolblue: justinh: yes, I hate it too
[16:12:31] justinh: wagnerrp: yeah but buying new I hate having to do stuff like that. what I'd likely do is remove em & fill the gaps
[16:13:13] justinh: not so bad on a cheaper case – I loathe the idea of hacking up my LC02 front :)
[16:13:44] dewman: With a case like this you can mod it to how-ever you please. http://techepics.com/files/pc_before_3.jpg
[16:13:53] dewman: =)
[16:14:08] coolblue: lool
[16:14:11] justinh: rofl
[16:14:26] justinh: well if a case is gonna look like ass don't bother paying money for it huh
[16:14:37] dewman: hehe
[16:14:50] justinh: don't let dustybin see it. he'll take the idea & only go too far with it :P
[16:15:11] dewman: the daily dose of sarcasm. couldnt help it....
[16:15:17] justinh: love it
[16:15:48] wagnerrp: Brad-D: same thing but with intel guts.... http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishD . . . ber=11977791
[16:16:24] EvilGuru: I've just tuned my dvb-s (freesat) card and have ended up with two ITV1 HD channels. What gives
[16:16:24] coolblue: justinh: prebuffering puases are back :-) I have test it with play/pause on livetv with about 10 seconds… at the moment I have no problems with dropouts
[16:17:45] coolblue: the dollar prices are without tax or?
[16:18:07] wagnerrp: Brad-D: its $30 more, but you get a bit more power, and HDMI audio
[16:18:19] justinh: wonder how much that lot would cost in the UK
[16:18:34] wagnerrp: coolblue: that depends on what state you live in... if newegg has no commercial presence in your state, there is no sales tax
[16:18:52] wagnerrp: not that it matters for you, newegg doesnt ship oversees... i was just giving that as an example
[16:19:03] coolblue: I see with your link 309$ .. is this with or without?
[16:19:33] coolblue: newegg.com have no presence in germany
[16:19:42] wagnerrp: yes, but they wont ship to germany either
[16:19:51] wagnerrp: so the question is moot
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[16:20:26] coolblue: no I will know it, because I will compare the prices.. When I say to you a euro price it will be always with german tax.. thats normal here for germany..
[16:21:03] wagnerrp: that $280 or $310 is without sales tax or shipping, but i dont pay sales tax from newegg anyway
[16:21:17] coolblue: why?
[16:21:33] wagnerrp: loophole in US tax law
[16:21:46] coolblue: uhh
[16:22:38] coolblue: there is no hole I know in germany :-(
[16:23:02] justinh: ouch. still that annoying $ == £ equivalence :-(
[16:23:08] wagnerrp: basically, sales tax is handled on a per-state basis
[16:23:08] coolblue: we have 19% tax an all. But we the all shop prices always with tax and communicate our prices eachother with tax
[16:23:29] coolblue: the = see
[16:23:31] wagnerrp: and if youre purchasing online across state lines, there is no sales tax
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[16:31:47] rhollan: well, one is SUPPOSED to pay sales tax to one's own state if one purchases out of state, but it's very rarely enforced
[16:32:00] rhollan: I do know someone who got nailed when be bought a boat, though.
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[16:36:30] wagnerrp: well i built out a very similar intel machine for 354€ at cybertek.fr
[16:36:46] wagnerrp: so it can certainly be done
[16:37:12] rhollan: Grrr. Nowe my video metadata is lost, and trying to redownload does not get the artwork
[16:37:20] rhollan: how can I recover that?
[16:37:27] wagnerrp: i may have actually been able to find better, cheaper parts if i spoke french
[16:37:46] wagnerrp: recover the database from a backup?
[16:37:49] wagnerrp: how did you lose it?
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[16:39:35] rhollan: wagnerrp: Well, I made a filesystem backup, and a database backup, and reinstalled mythbuntu from scratch (for other reasons). Then I tried to put the filesystem parts under /var/lib.mythtv back and restore the DB, but no video metadata
[16:39:58] rhollan: If I reset the metadata and try to download again, I get everything BUT artwork
[16:40:04] EvilGuru: Are any special steps required in order to get EIT w/Freesat (so DVBs). I have use eit checked, but have no listings
[16:40:06] rhollan: on items that I had artwork for before.
[16:40:45] EvilGuru: The backend log gives up nothing juicy; I am unsure if it has tried to grab data yet
[16:41:02] wagnerrp: rhollan: tmdb recently changed the way their site works
[16:41:03] rhollan: Now when I reinstalled, it thought video metadata was in different directories, but I corrected that. Perhaps that's the problem?
[16:41:12] jarle: EvilGuru: you should enable active eit scan in the setup
[16:41:15] wagnerrp: the links it hands out are now redirects
[16:41:25] rhollan: wagnerrp: yeah I saw something about that.
[16:41:26] wagnerrp: which are causing problems with mythvideo 0.23
[16:41:37] rhollan: Anyway I can use EXISTING artwork if I have it?
[16:41:40] jarle: EvilGuru: otherwise it will only get EIT when it is tuned to a channel for recording
[16:41:41] wagnerrp: however if your old artwork is in the proper place
[16:41:52] rhollan: what is the "proper place"
[16:41:53] wagnerrp: it should detect that the files already exist, and not try to download them again
[16:41:57] gbee: rhollan: there was a recent change on TMDB that broke artwork retrieval, it's fixed in trunk but iamlindoro has yet to backport a fix to 0.23
[16:42:09] wagnerrp: in the 'artwork' folder, named properly
[16:42:19] rhollan: I don't keep up to date with trunk, just 0.23+fixes
[16:42:26] EvilGuru: jarle: Yep, already checked
[16:42:34] wagnerrp: gbee: the problem is that the code is completely different in trunk, so it cant be 'backported', it has to be a patch written for 0.23
[16:42:36] rhollan: so /var/lib/mythtv/MythVideo/artwork
[16:42:38] gbee: guess my redirect support didn't work after all, or it was factored out in 0.23
[16:42:44] iamlindoro: gbee, Thanks for the reminder, I'll try to look at in the next few days (out for the day)
[16:42:57] jarle: EvilGuru: and each channel must have EIT enabled, usually it is by default
[16:43:22] EvilGuru: jarle: Yep, checked that in the db for the two channels I have tuned
[16:43:40] iamlindoro: gbee, Your redirect stuff is still there in .23, looks like it's just a missing status code (302 vs 301) but without a .23 install I will need to set up a VM to test a fix, didn't like the look of the .23 patch on the ticket
[16:43:54] jarle: EvilGuru: you need to enable logging of EIT for the backend if you want to see EIT stuff in the lag
[16:44:56] rhollan: what is the difference between artwork and fanart?
[16:45:32] iamlindoro: fanart is a type of artwork
[16:45:39] iamlindoro: artwork being the umbrella term for all the types
[16:45:49] gbee: iamlindoro: ah
[16:46:23] rhollan: yeah, I figured that, but which directory, fanart, or artwork?
[16:46:39] EvilGuru: jarle: Got a linky on how to enable EIT logging?
[16:46:48] iamlindoro: artwork is an umbrella term, it doesn't have a directory
[16:47:12] iamlindoro: specific artwork types have directory/storage group settings
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[16:47:29] rhollan: well, I have directories under MythVideo called artwork and fanart
[16:47:39] jarle: EvilGuru: mythbackend --setverbose eit
[16:48:11] gbee: I have a 0.23 install but it uses packages and I don't like to mess with it these days
[16:48:16] iamlindoro: rhollan, then you created said directories
[16:48:45] rhollan: maybe, but didn't think so.
[16:48:47] iamlindoro: Myth uses the terms coverart (or posters), screenshots, banners, and fanart to describe the artwork types, and their settings
[16:48:47] jarle: EvilGuru: mythbackend -v help
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[16:49:00] iamlindoro: And we don't create any directory called "artwork," anywhere
[16:49:17] rhollan: But, I do see a problem: my .jpgs are under MythVideo and not an artwork subdirectory of that
[16:49:29] iamlindoro: That's not a problem
[16:49:53] rhollan: pwd
[16:50:04] iamlindoro: ~/rhollan/.mythtv/filthyporn/
[16:50:13] rhollan: LOL
[16:50:26] ** iamlindoro leaves for the day **
[16:50:28] rhollan: 14Bddoqc%
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[16:54:01] rhollan: I see MythVideo config wants subdirectories called Trailers, Artwork, Banners, and Fanart
[16:54:17] rhollan: So, which is the directory for cover art? Artwork?
[16:54:20] gbee: iamlindoro: any objection to committing the additional status code now, and we can look again if that doesn't work, I get the feeling we'll be waiting a while for a reply to your question
[16:55:28] gbee: assuming the redirect handling works, and the presence of the ticket suggests that it should (it was committed untested originally), then adding the missing status codes should fix it
[16:55:56] ** rhollan will try Artwork **
[16:56:22] rhollan: after breakfast
[16:56:47] EvilGuru: jarle: Oh, wait, it has everything up to 6:30
[16:57:17] EvilGuru: So I guess it is just taking its time to grab the listings
[16:57:35] jarle: EvilGuru: EIT has a tendency to require some time to be filled, it may even take a day until your guide is filled completely...
[16:58:12] EvilGuru: When I get the time next week I'll move over to XMLTV
[16:58:50] EvilGuru: I still need to properly tune in the non-HD channels and figure out how to deal with dupes (I have a DVB-T set up also)
[16:59:04] jarle: EvilGuru: I went from XMLTV to EIT and haven't looked back. XMLTV has a tendency to break once in a while..
[16:59:41] EvilGuru: jarle: No kidding, I allocate an hour a month to fixing it (new channels != fun)
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[17:00:33] EvilGuru: I know there is a way to use both, but I think it results in EIT stuff having a higher priority
[17:01:41] jarle: EvilGuru: I used to have XMLTV for some channels and EIT for the rest, now I have EIT for all my channels and don't have to worry about grabbers failing
[17:01:57] gbee: guess he wasn't hanging around, I'll ask forgiveness later
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[17:06:53] EvilGuru: ...Now to figure out if the bad A/V sync on BBC HD is due to mythtv or the beeb
[17:13:39] gbee: recent, or old recordings? I've not noticed a bad sync, but if you're talking about a couple of ms then it won't have been enough for me to notice
[17:14:03] gbee: their AV-sync loop would probably help
[17:14:16] gbee: plays out when they are off-air
[17:15:37] gbee: and I think it's on my server too, http://miffteevee.co.uk/filebin/HD_testcard.mpg – follows the standard test card
[17:18:31] gbee: hmm, maybe not, I thought I'd edited the two together
[17:22:27] EvilGuru: gbee: I'll take a look
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[17:23:21] Jorophose: has anyone gotten an HVR-1600 working under mythTV? does it work well?
[17:23:45] Jorophose: i'm looking to set up a myth box and i'm wondering if the hvr-1600 is as good as it'
[17:24:00] Jorophose: *as it's supposed to be, or if i'm better off just paying more for a pcHDTV-5500
[17:24:18] EvilGuru: Still 10% CPU load with HD is quite nice, yay for VDPAU
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[17:27:14] Shadow__X: Jorophose: i have a hvr 1600. it works but i like and prefer my hvr 1800 more
[17:27:22] gbee: 10% CPU, 100% GPU ;)
[17:28:22] Jorophose: Shadow_X: hmm, but I need it for analog and digital
[17:28:32] Jorophose: and i don't think the hvr-1800 has analog support yet?
[17:28:36] gbee: ok, if users having problems downloading artwork from TMDB in 0.23 pester their packagers to release an update from 0.23, let us know if it fixes the problem
[17:29:30] Shadow__X: Jorophose: uh i am not honestly sure i know that it should of worked but there was a bug in the drivers and off the top of my head i dont know if that has been straightened out yet
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[17:34:27] innatech: Good morning! I've had a failure on the nvraid stripe I have my livetv recordnig storage filesystems on. To keep my MBE working I've created a temporary storage directory and removed those on the failing array--everything now works fine. No more streaming failures. My question: is it sane to have a livetv/default/recordings storage location on the root partition? Or do I need to do it on another partition to prevent myth from overfi
[17:34:27] innatech: lling the root fs?
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[17:36:55] EvilGuru: Is Freesat set to move over to DVB-S2 anytime soon?
[17:38:00] ** Beirdo dusts off his crystal ball to answer EvilGuru **
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[17:40:34] Beirdo: indications point to "how the heck would we know?" :)
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[17:44:01] innatech: OK, docs seem to imply myth's storage should not be placed on the root partition. Moving my temp storage to the home partition. :)
[17:50:18] Jorophose: Shadow_X: so you mean you're just using it in like digital mode or something?
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[18:07:47] gbee: EvilGuru: they've never publically set a timeline as far as I know
[18:08:34] gbee: all that we do know is that they required freesat hardware to be DVB-S2 capable meaning that they might one day be able to switch
[18:10:05] EvilGuru: gbee: Yeah, I read that everything had to be -S2 capable
[18:10:23] gbee: right now they're not doing too well, they've no more HD channels than they did at launch, Channel 4 are stalling almost certainly due to strong arming from Sky and Five have just announced that Five HD will be Sky exclusive, i.e. Sky has also bought them off
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[18:11:19] EvilGuru: I guess the channels do not get much by going HD, but Sky are willing to pay for more HD channels
[18:11:24] gbee: the only broadcasters entirely committed to Freesat are the BBC (they have to be) and ITV (they _hate_ Sky)
[18:13:10] gbee: yeah, Sky has the funds and is willing to actually pay or subsidise the HD channels just to keep them off other networks, it's not that the channels themselves are value for money but that they can boast about having more HD channels than anyone else
[18:13:57] gbee: which is worth a few thousands additional subscribers when combined with their misinformation sales campaigns
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[18:15:18] EvilGuru: Their world cup thing made it seem as if Sky HD was the only way to get the world cup in HD
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[18:18:12] gbee: Sky have no morals or conscience , they will use every dirty trick in the book and more, they aren't even above doing something illegal if they believe they won't get caught or can distance themselves from it (e.g. all those door-to-door salesmen caught telling outright lies, Sky just blaimed the contractor they worked for even though different firms country-wide have been saying the exact same thing)
[18:20:07] Shadow__X: Jorophose: i am using the qam tuners only
[18:21:03] gbee: telling 80/90 year old pensioners living alone that after the digital switch-off the only way they'll be able to watch Coronation street is by signing up to Sky ... then upselling them the most expensive package
[18:21:14] gbee: nasty, nasty company
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[18:22:19] Shadow__X: gbee: would going after their top execs make things better?
[18:22:36] EvilGuru: They are also annoyingly large, which means they can afford a lot of good content
[18:24:54] gbee: EvilGuru: and yet, ~75–85% of everything on their own flagship channels such as Sky One is pure junk
[18:25:12] rhollan: What does "Failed to scan SG Video Hosts" mean?
[18:25:50] EvilGuru: Aha! Pulse audio is installed on the mythbuntu system I am having A/V problems with
[18:26:05] gbee: Shadow__X: their top execs are the Murdochs, i.e. the biggest, wealthiest media family in the world with a track record for shady deals and a strong desire to control all the world's media
[18:26:36] rhollan: Storage Groups maybe?
[18:27:46] gbee: Shadow__X: the bond film Tomorrow Never Dies was about the Murdoch empire, the villain was a thinly disguised Rupert Murdoch
[18:28:31] gbee: well a hybrid of Murdoch and Maxwell
[18:29:59] EvilGuru: Without Murdoch we would not have quality publications such as the sun :O
[18:30:19] Shadow__X: gbee: right but what i am saying is that to my understanding that just going after the company itself isnt enough if you penalize the executives that might be enough although there need to be guards set up to protect the world against those types of travesties
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[18:34:55] gbee: no-one is brave enough to cross Murdoch et al, they have huge influence over not just politicians in many countries but they decide what most people actually think, a lot of people shape their view of the world and events based on what they read in the papers or see on the television news, since the Murdoch empire controls those mediums they can manage the message
[18:36:31] gbee: then again, maybe I'm just paranoid ;)
[18:36:42] rhollan: O.K. So I am getting "Backend : oracle.hollan.org : Is currently Unreachable. Skipping this one.
[18:36:43] rhollan: "
[18:37:07] rhollan: the thing is, mythfrontend is running on oracle and oracle.hollan.org maps to 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts
[18:37:09] rhollan: what gives?
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[18:38:15] EvilGuru: gbee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSlt-vedyL8 — this guy seems happy to cross him :P
[18:39:00] gbee: he was never seen again ;)
[18:42:03] Shadow__X: gbee: no i think that there is defenitely imo enough facts to prove if not all but most of those things but media is changing and hopefully within that change some of that control is lost but one main issue there is how easily people are willing to believe and trust within things they have no comprehension over without duing their due diligence and to find things out for themselves at least to the best of their ability
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[18:48:55] rhollan: Oh. I see what I did. Whe asked if I want to add Storage Group directories, I inadvertently said no. Now, I'm not sure how to get it to do the default thing.
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[18:56:01] rhollan: GRR. So why does it not find cover art already on the system just because SGs aren't set up: the DVD cover art was not in an SG directory
[18:57:11] rhollan: I SO WISH this stuff was documented better.
[18:57:15] Shadow__X: rhollan: you have to set that up in the frontend
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[18:57:49] rhollan: Shadow__X: I did. when I select "Scan for new", I get SG errors. I don't know if that aborts the scan, or just ignores the SGs
[18:58:02] rhollan: that stuff should be documented
[18:58:06] Shadow__X: rhollan: check the logs
[18:58:30] rhollan: logs just tell me no SG... and I did not create one (inadvertently).
[18:59:13] rhollan: So, now I try but it looks like I have to create subdirectories for cover art, banners, etc. separately instead of doing the default thing just because I inadvertently clicked "no" the first time.
[18:59:42] rhollan: and logs WHERE? I an looking at mythfrontend stderr on one display while running the UI on another.
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[19:05:54] Shadow__X: depends on system but for me is /var/log/mythtv
[19:06:52] Shadow__X: to my knowledge you need atleast one SG for recordings then from there if you want cover art you need to add those folders in independtenly in the frontend with the appropriate setup
[19:07:03] rhollan: well, I am running mythtv-setup, and adding all the SG directories it wants under /var/lib/mythtv and then try to put the cover art in the appropriate directory and point FE setup at that.
[19:07:31] rhollan: But, I HAVE FE cover art pointing at an FE directory that holds it. Why not find it just ebcause "scan for new" does not find SGs?
[19:07:42] rhollan: it looks like I am forced to put it into an SG.
[19:10:30] Shadow__X: rhollan: its not you have to read the documentation appriopriately i was not using SG and i had cover art of my FE
[19:11:10] Shadow__X: rhollan: i am not really sure why it isnt working though because i went into it differently and i also use jamu
[19:13:21] RDV_Linux: rhollan: Do not make your storage groups and FE setting redundant. If you use SGs then remove the FE settings for those SGs as they are not required.
[19:14:08] rhollan: I HAVE to set those directories in the FE setup, though.
[19:14:12] ** rhollan is very confused **
[19:14:29] rhollan: At least when I did that I can now see my non-iso videos
[19:14:44] rhollan: but still get can not scan SG Videos error
[19:15:03] rhollan: And Documentation WHERE? I am reading http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo#Setting_ . . . orage_Groups
[19:15:40] rhollan: Is it possible I am confusing cover art with "gallery view" art?
[19:15:49] rhollan: That is supposed to be in the folder with the videos, no?
[19:16:02] rhollan: But how? Same name (but .jpg extension) of the iso?
[19:17:22] coolblue: Hi, here is a Log of my prebuffering pause problems… Can someone looking at it? maybe I sees something I don't > http://pastebin.com/5s5NnJ6S
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[19:19:03] rhollan: The Videos setup in the front end wants directories. SG docs say SGs will be used preferentially if they match a directory.
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[19:20:50] rhollan: nothing in mythfrontend or mythbackend log. just the error on the ui and written to stderr by mythfrontend
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[19:23:12] rhollan: MythVideo::ScanVideoDirectory Scanning Group (//Videos@oracle.hollan.org/var/lib/mythtv/videos/)" rel="nofollow">myth://Videos@oracle.hollan.org/var/lib/mythtv/videos/)
[19:23:20] rhollan: in frontend stderr output
[19:23:34] rhollan: and then
[19:23:36] rhollan: Backend : oracle.hollan.org : Is currently Unreachable. Skipping this one.
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[19:23:45] rhollan: the backend IS oracle.hollan.org!
[19:24:00] rhollan: And it's set right in /etc/hosts on the backend (which is also the frontend in this case)
[19:24:49] rhollan: but later in the stderr output I see
[19:24:53] rhollan: MythVideo::ScanVideoDirectory Scanning Group (myth://Videos@oracle/var/lib/mythtv/videos/)
[19:25:18] rhollan: what gives? oracle and oracle.hollan.org are the same machine!
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[19:31:01] rhollan: ls
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[19:35:56] rhollan: So, I can't set directories in mythvideo front end if they are in SGs? but then how do I set the SG URL in the FE?
[19:36:12] rhollan: And why is it complaining about SG not found?
[19:36:21] rhollan: Google tells me nothing about that error.
[19:36:35] rhollan: and what is the jamu thing? Is that something I have to configure as well?
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[19:42:41] rhollan: http://www.pastebin.ca/1898538 has the mythfrontend stderr.
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[19:43:03] rhollan: What gives? Why can't the backend connect to itself with a fully-qualified domain name?
[19:45:20] rhollan: I REALLY don't want to have to reinstall mythbuntu to make this "go away".
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[19:53:10] Beirdo: its not reachable
[19:53:29] Beirdo: did you set the master backend to an IP, name, localhost, what?
[19:54:01] Beirdo: and have you provided appropriate DNS
[19:54:29] rhollan: Beirdo: well, oracle and oracle.hollan.org are both set to 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts
[19:54:39] rhollan: and it does not complain about reaching oracle
[19:54:46] rhollan: This is all related to SG scanning.
[19:55:16] rhollan: the frontend and backend are the same machine
[19:55:53] rhollan: the log suggests the compaint is coming from the Backend. And. I have no idea why it tries to scan oracle.hollan.org AND oracle
[19:56:04] Beirdo: don't do that
[19:56:08] Beirdo: heh
[19:56:26] Beirdo: don't use localhost if you ever want to split it apart. That is evil
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[19:57:30] Beirdo: anyways, back to work I go.
[19:57:52] rhollan: Beirdo: if anything, I might want to have remote FEs but not BEs
[19:58:17] rhollan: But still don't know what scanning SG Video Groups is trying to DO! And why it tries on both host name versions.
[19:58:25] rhollan: and why one fails.
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[20:06:54] rhollan: Why is it trying to scan oracle.hollan.org and failing and why does it scan oracle and succeeds? In fact, why does it care about the host name at all if the BACKEND is reporting the error? The BACKEND IS oracle and oracle.hollan.org.
[20:07:04] rhollan: some4one MUST know this.
[20:07:11] ** rhollan is getting very frustrated **
[20:07:33] rhollan: I wonder if I should wipe the DB and try to recreate it from scratch.
[20:10:48] clever: AndrewNC: i boot this laptop from a normal usb stick
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[20:13:54] AndrewNC: clever: how does it work, overall? I think my htpc boot drive overall sees low bandwidth
[20:13:54] rhollan: There is nothing in mythbackend.log regarding the complaint.
[20:14:13] rhollan: I wonder if it is a frontend thing, and the Backend: tag on the output to stderr is just plain misleading
[20:14:18] clever: AndrewNC: i made major changes to the initrd, it copies the entire rootfs to a tmpfs and then un-mounts the actual stick
[20:14:36] clever: once its done booting, i can remove the stick and run purely from ram
[20:15:59] AndrewNC: sounds close to a livecd
[20:16:18] clever: na, livecd's almost always use a unionfs to merge the read-only cd and a r/w tmpfs
[20:16:23] clever: the cd must remain in the drive
[20:16:53] rhollan: might there be something wrong with the SG definitions in the database?
[20:16:53] AndrewNC: I'd like to keep writes, my main goal is to knock off another 10–20 watts of power use
[20:17:09] clever: AndrewNC: ah, for that i have $HOME on nfs
[20:17:24] clever: shove all writes off to the storage server with the recordings
[20:19:34] AndrewNC: the alternative would be ssd, but power savings doesn't justify cost
[20:19:54] AndrewNC: newegg has some kind of pata 16gb ssd for 70$
[20:20:07] clever: the hardest part for me was just getting grub and the partition table to live happily on the same stick
[20:20:18] clever: if i did them in the wrong order or with the wrong command, id loose the partition table
[20:20:44] clever: so i started with just a kernel, initrd, grub config, and grub
[20:20:52] clever: enough to verify the bootloader was all working
[20:21:07] clever: then i actualy worked on putting the OS in around it
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[20:22:22] AndrewNC: easy enough to backup to an image file through the process in case I make mistakes
[20:23:02] AndrewNC: do BIOS typically treat USB volumes the same as ata drives for booting?
[20:23:07] clever: yeah, but reformating and copying 3 files was faster for me, vs imaging a 2gig stick and burning up the limited writes
[20:23:26] clever: yeah, i think the bios will emulate a normal disk drive so you can boot dos like OS's from it
[20:23:37] clever: the same way usb keyboards are emulated into ps2 keyboards for dos
[20:24:18] clever: but once grub is done loading the kernel, that emulation is gone, so you need usb drivers in either the kernel or initrd
[20:24:43] rhollan: There has to be a simple explanation for this.
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[20:42:55] rhollan: nmap shows the same open ports for all versions of the backend (and frontend) hostname... not that this is surprising.
[20:43:23] rhollan: Yet, Failed to Scan Video SG Hosts keeps coming up for the canonocal name of the backend: oracle.hollan.org,
[20:43:52] clever: try using an ip
[20:43:56] rhollan: WHYYYY! And where does it get this name. I don't remember configuring it anywhere: I just tell the front end that the backend is localhpst
[20:44:03] rhollan: HOW! Where do I configure that?
[20:44:11] clever: mythtv-setup i beleive
[20:44:23] rhollan: it's set to localhost
[20:44:29] clever: use 127.0.0.1 then
[20:44:40] rhollan: mythtv database has a bunch of entries called oracle in the hostname field
[20:45:04] rhollan: For fun I will try 127.0.0.1 but I don't expect it to make a difference.
[20:45:07] clever: thats the hostname of the system, its not related directly to the ip/port
[20:45:22] clever: both the masterip and localip must be set to 127.0.0.1
[20:46:09] rhollan: and these are set WHERE? /etc/hosts is just fine.
[20:46:23] clever: mythtv general cant use hostnames, it must have IP's
[20:46:28] rhollan: I can set the backend name to 127.0.0.1 in FE config, but all other access is working.
[20:46:31] clever: they are set in either mythtv-setup or mythfrontend
[20:46:41] clever: mythfrontend also controls some of the backend settings
[20:46:58] rhollan: then why does it report hostnames in it's error messsages?
[20:47:14] clever: no idea about that part
[20:48:22] rhollan: All this grief started when I restored a database.
[20:48:36] clever: rhollan: does the hostname match what it used to be?
[20:48:42] rhollan: Things generally work, but I keep getting Failed to Scan Video SG host errors
[20:48:46] rhollan: clever: yes.
[20:49:07] clever: out of ideas then
[20:49:09] rhollan: In fact the error is about oracle.hollan.org and then it connects perfectly well to oracle.
[20:55:12] rhollan: makes no difference: mythtv-setup has backend set to 127.0.0.1, and frontend set to 127.0.0.1 as well.
[20:55:36] clever: rhollan: are they actualy on the same system
[20:55:41] rhollan: yes
[20:55:55] coolblue: goal for spain
[20:56:12] rhollan: next is to try to remove the canonical name from /etc/hosts, but I run iRedMail on the same system, and that can't remain the case.
[20:59:12] rhollan: nope
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[20:59:35] rhollan: I wonder: does mythtv need a list of hostnames in it's database or something?
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[20:59:52] rhollan: andy WHY is it picking up oracle.hollan.org in the first place?
[21:00:32] clever: rhollan: what does hosts say about 127.0.0.1?
[21:00:51] rhollan: 127.0.0.1 oracle.hollan.org oracle localhost
[21:00:57] rhollan: exactly what one would expect
[21:01:12] clever: its picking the 1st name in the list when it wants to display 127.0.0.1 as something humman readable
[21:01:15] itsmex: hi all
[21:01:16] clever: so its connecting to 127
[21:01:58] rhollan: No, because later it picks the second name, but I can try to reverse them.
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[21:02:21] rhollan: Further if I asssigned oracle.hollan.org to a different IP address, and not that of the backend, I STILL get the same problem.
[21:02:37] rhollan: But, I will try reversing the order and seeing if the error messages are reversed.
[21:03:07] rhollan: I'm starting to suspect that the frontend has an idea what the SG backends are and is getting confused when there is no DB entry for one of them,
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[21:03:40] clever: id run the frontend with -v all and look closer
[21:03:48] itsmex: I have an problem by executing mythtv-setup after upgrading from 0.21 to 0.23. the problem is that the program starts, but I can´t see anything of the menu. Is this a known problem?
[21:03:58] rhollan: that's a good suggestion
[21:04:35] itsmex: I haven´t found anything on the web...
[21:04:49] clever: itsmex: sounds like your theme isnt compatible
[21:05:01] rhollan: I've removed oracle.hollan.org COMPLETELY from /etc/hosts to test
[21:06:15] itsmex: clever: where should I start to search?
[21:06:25] itsmex: if this is the problem
[21:06:44] clever: itsmex: look thru the log mythtv-setup output to find what theme its using, then reinstall an 0.23 version of that theme
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[21:07:32] itsmex: clever: 2010-07–11 23:07:07.979 Could not find theme:  – Switching to Terra
[21:07:32] rhollan: same thing
[21:07:42] [R]: with all the people complaining about the HDPVR on the mailing list... mines been running for months perfectly
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[21:09:08] rhollan: hmmm:
[21:09:11] rhollan: MythVideo::ScanVideoDirectory
[21:09:18] rhollan: 2010-07–11 14:08:06.034 MSqlQuery::exec(DBManager2) SELECT dirname,hostname FROM storagegroup WHERE groupname = 'Videos' <<<< Returns 2 row(s)
[21:09:19] rhollan: 2010-07–11 14:08:06.034 MSqlQuery::next(DBManager2) Result: "dirname = /var/lib/mythtv/videos/, hostname = oracle"
[21:09:19] rhollan: 2010-07–11 14:08:06.035 MSqlQuery::next(DBManager2) Result: "dirname = /var/lib/mythtv/videos/, hostname = oracle.hollan.org"
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[21:09:48] rhollan: so the db has entries for oracle.hollan.org AND oracle. And all of it's other entries have oracle in the hostname field.
[21:09:59] clever: the name its showing there isnt directly used to find the ip
[21:10:01] rhollan: So I should be able to just delete the oracle.hollan.org entry in the DB, and I should be good
[21:10:07] clever: it looks up the 'local host ip' for that hostname in the DB
[21:10:18] clever: not normal DNS
[21:10:48] rhollan: well, now I have something to go on!
[21:11:03] rhollan: clearly part of the DB used the canonical name and another part didn't
[21:11:10] rhollan: possibly because I did a restore
[21:11:17] clever: nearly all settings (including local backend ip) are stored under the current hostname
[21:12:04] rhollan: right, and storage groups seems to have a list of hostnames, and there are probably directories per hostname, and there are none for the cannonical version
[21:12:13] itsmex: clever: yum install --enablerepo=atrpms mythtv-themes – Package mythtv-themes-0.23–235.el5.i386 already installed and latest version – Is Terra included in this rpm?
[21:12:27] clever: the storage groups are tied to a certain backend, and the entry names the hostname for that backend
[21:12:41] clever: to actualy connect, it looks up the local backend ip setting for that name
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[21:12:54] rhollan: right
[21:12:59] rhollan: makes sense
[21:13:07] clever: it looks like your hostname changed to/from oracle.hollan.org and was/is oracle
[21:13:17] kormoc: itsmex, terra is shipped with mythtv proper
[21:13:28] kormoc: itsmex, make sure you have your font packages installed?
[21:13:50] rhollan: more likely the DB got messed up with different versions of it. It USED to just be oracle when I did a backup but became oracle.hollan.org when I did a restore, with oracle as an alias
[21:16:23] rhollan: clever: look at this please: http://www.pastebin.ca/1898580
[21:16:27] rhollan: The messup is clear
[21:17:19] clever: the oracle.hollan.org host looks to be alot older
[21:17:37] clever: like its from the orignial config
[21:18:16] rhollan: possibly
[21:18:30] rhollan: how good is your mysql fu?
[21:18:44] itsmex: kormoc: mythtv-frontend-0.23–235.el5 is installed
[21:18:47] clever: good, but there are just too many tables to rename
[21:19:01] rhollan: Clearly I want to delete the duplicate videos entry and correct the LiveTV one
[21:19:13] rhollan: isn't it just this one?
[21:19:14] clever: rhollan: under the same area as the ip setup, is the hostname override, force it to oracle.hollan.org
[21:19:43] clever: then restart the backend and frontend
[21:20:31] rhollan: wouldn't it be better to clean up the DB?
[21:21:00] clever: best to restore the old hostname first
[21:21:14] clever: or youll be cleaning out the real settings leaving you with nothing
[21:21:18] rhollan: setting the override and restarting will do that?
[21:21:25] clever: yeah
[21:21:46] rhollan: what about the duplicate SG groups, shouldn't I at least delete the dupe?
[21:21:55] itsmex: kormoc: is that the package you told?
[21:22:12] clever: rhollan: those will probly be harmless once you fix the hostname stuff
[21:22:26] rhollan: O.K. i'll try it your way.
[21:22:34] rhollan: Do I need both an IP and hostname override?
[21:22:45] clever: there is only a hostname override
[21:24:47] rhollan: O.K. lesse...
[21:26:58] rhollan: I can't find a "Hostname Override" option. Is it called something else?
[21:31:32] itsmex: Further ideas?
[21:33:42] rhollan: clever ?
[21:33:54] itsmex: where is the themes-folder placed?
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[21:35:32] kormoc: /usr/share/mythtv/themes
[21:36:00] itsmex: /usr/share/mythtv/themes/Terra is already there
[21:36:19] itsmex: why could mythtv-setup not use this?
[21:36:34] kormoc: I never said you had a theme issue
[21:36:38] kormoc: I said you likely have a font issue
[21:37:05] itsmex: what can i do?
[21:37:11] kormoc: install fonts?
[21:37:49] itsmex: do you have a packet name for me?
[21:38:12] kormoc: nope
[21:38:43] itsmex: I have no font-type which is missing
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[21:41:24] football: anyone else experience runaway mythtv log (fills up /var) whenever a transcoding job is started?
[21:41:44] football: it's really getting very annoying
[21:41:59] wagnerrp: runaway logs are entirely your fault
[21:42:07] football: 2010-07–11 14:37:16.753 Couldn't open file abort.dat 2010-07–11 14:37:16.753 Failed to decode frame. Position was: 0
[21:42:39] wagnerrp: proper log rotation will prevent any such error from filling the drive
[21:42:45] football: the issue is it does this regardless of which file is transcoding
[21:43:02] football: this has nothing to do with log rotation
[21:43:25] football: it's filling up var 2.0 GB during one transcoding job
[21:43:25] wagnerrp: mythtv logging a bunch of garbage due to problems in the transcoder is mythtv's fault
[21:43:45] wagnerrp: mythtv filling 2GB of log and filling the hard drive is due to lack of proper log rotation
[21:44:17] football: sigh
[21:44:49] football: wagnerrp, why do you persist?
[21:45:11] wagnerrp: im simply redefining the problem
[21:45:12] football: I just said it filled up 2 GB during one transcoding job
[21:45:29] football: that has nothing to do with log rotation
[21:45:58] wagnerrp: your stated problem (filling up /var) is everything to do with log rotation
[21:46:13] kormoc: wagnerrp, he's basically saying it generates 2 gigs of log files in a few minutes
[21:46:30] kormoc: football, create a bug report and add a patch if you're so inclined?
[21:46:31] football: a transode job that writes one line every microsecond or so to the log, you telling me that's improper log rotation?
[21:47:05] wagnerrp: writing that fast? no, i would agree thats a bug
[21:47:55] wagnerrp: but mythtv's problem would still be that the transcoder is somehow broken
[21:48:00] wagnerrp: not that it is logging too much
[21:48:04] football: wagnerrp so stop putting up your starwman pls
[21:48:13] football: s/strawman
[21:48:31] wookey: can anyont think why mythtv-setup text would be in microscopic font-size? (test maybe 10mm across instead of 30cm)
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[21:49:03] [R]: wookey: what does the verbose output say?
[21:49:05] wookey: (fresh debian install+mythtv 0.23 from debian-multimedia.org)
[21:49:05] football: the funny thing is abort.dat file exists too
[21:50:02] wookey: [R]: how do I get that? mythtv-setup --verbose?
[21:50:12] wookey: (just booting up box to test)
[21:50:41] [R]: wookey: the deafult output is fine for starters
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[21:51:11] kormoc: football, abort.dat is more of a strawman then logrotate was, the real issue is mythtranscode can't decode any of your frames and is not aborting
[21:53:11] wookey: [R]: no obvious errors: http://pastebin.ca/1898600
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[21:53:50] wookey: maybe C"ould not find theme:  – Switching to Terra" is a clue?
[21:54:16] [R]: well the db error is bad to begin with
[21:54:42] wookey: well, this is a brand new setup – I wasn;t expecting anything to work yet
[21:54:52] [R]: well you need the db working
[21:54:57] [R]: before you can use setup
[21:55:01] wookey: don't I have to tell it which box is the database in the setup-config?
[21:55:05] wookey: ah,OK
[21:55:40] [R]: /home/wookey/.mythtv/ should have your db stuff
[21:56:14] wookey: config.xml and mysql.txt
[21:56:37] [R]: you can delete config.xml and fix the mysql.txt
[21:58:08] wookey: OK, so I need to fix that, but failed database access doesn;t explain microscopic text does it?
[21:59:37] [R]: fix one problem at a time
[22:00:22] itsmex: are the used fonts in the themes defined?
[22:01:01] [R]: itsmex: base.xml
[22:01:03] itsmex: is something like "<font name="basemedium" from="basesmall">" such a position
[22:01:08] itsmex: ?
[22:01:11] [R]: position?
[22:01:26] itsmex: position where the used font is defined?
[22:01:29] [R]: huh?
[22:01:32] itsmex: sorry
[22:02:32] itsmex: hm
[22:03:27] itsmex: the problem is that I must verify that the used fonts are installed
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[22:04:49] itsmex: any ideas?
[22:04:50] [R]: it gives you errors
[22:04:53] [R]: if it cant find a font
[22:05:09] itsmex: when I start mythtv-setup there are no errors
[22:05:28] [R]: 2010-07–11 15:05:19.351 MythFontProperties, Error: Failed to load 'Arial', got 'FreeSans' instead
[22:05:28] [R]: Location: /usr/share/mythtv/themes/Terra/base.xml @ 5
[22:05:28] [R]: Name: 'basesmall' Type: 'font'
[22:05:37] [R]: if you were missing a font... that's what you would see
[22:06:15] itsmex: mythtv-setup -v all|grep -i font
[22:06:15] itsmex: QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded
[22:06:15] itsmex: QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QSQLITE
[22:06:28] ** kormoc sighs **
[22:06:41] kormoc: itsmex, that's much more important of an issue then missing text...
[22:06:45] [R]: lol
[22:06:49] wookey: OK,I managed to get on to mythtv as root user. Anyone know the runes for 'allow mythtv@localhost to connect' offhand?
[22:07:00] wookey: s/mythtv/mysql/
[22:07:03] kormoc: wookey, it's in the install docs
[22:07:42] wookey: OK. The debconf questions asked me about some of this – I was rather hoping it had done the necessary.
[22:09:07] itsmex: [R]: I got no error
[22:09:29] [R]: itsmex: no error what? you just pasted a really massive error
[22:10:05] itsmex: no font error...
[22:10:21] kormoc: itsmex, you have no fonts because you have no database to get the size info from...
[22:10:31] itsmex: ok
[22:11:36] itsmex: kormoc: what is missing?
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[22:11:44] kormoc: QMYSQL3
[22:13:42] itsmex: what packet provides this?
[22:14:05] kormoc: itsmex, I wouldn't know, I don't use your distro
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[22:16:10] sphery: wookey: you need to upgrade to current 0.23-fixes--you're likely using a broken 0.23 release (or pre-release) version
[22:16:55] sphery: That is, if you're getting a mostly white or gray screen with tiny "1 pt" fonts at the top, you need to upgrade to current 0.23-fixes
[22:17:07] wookey: [R]: OK, re-running dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database fixes the database access
[22:17:17] wookey: and now I have text in sensible size
[22:17:32] kormoc: sphery, for some reason mythtv-setup still runs when QMYSQL3 is missing, that is new isn't it?
[22:17:35] wookey: so I guess there is a bug revealed there by bust databse access
[22:17:37] sphery: and you still need to upgrade to current -fixes, because yours is broken
[22:17:54] wookey: sphery: the version in debina-multimedia is no good?
[22:17:59] sphery: kormoc: I think we've always done that
[22:18:06] kormoc: that's sad
[22:18:08] kormoc: that should be fatal
[22:18:23] sphery: wookey: let me verify--can you pastebin the output of mythbackend --version , please
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[22:18:50] sphery: kormoc: yeah, if we have a way (that's better than string parsing) to detect that it's missing drivers, I can add a fix
[22:19:38] ** sphery should really change the driver name we're using from the QMYSQL3 (alias) to the actual QMYSQL driver that we're using **
[22:19:58] sphery: (too many people think the 3 mean Qt3--when it just means MySQL 3.23+)
[22:20:24] wookey: sphery: http://pastebin.ca/1898611
[22:21:40] wookey: As you say – I think failed db access should stop mythtv-setup from running, as it won't/can't actually do anything useful?
[22:23:28] wookey: +sphery> That is, if you're getting a mostly white or gray screen with tiny "1 pt" fonts at the top, you need to upgrade to current 0.23-fixes
[22:23:35] wookey: that does describe what I was seeing
[22:25:38] wookey: BTW – one thing I've wondered before. Is it best to set up the backend access as 'localhost' or 'entbox' (machine name), given that I'd like to move the backend one day?
[22:25:58] kormoc: sphery, QStringList QSqlDatabase::drivers () [static] returns a lits of all the available database drivers, seems sane enough to run that, verify and die if it's not there?
[22:26:05] wookey: I get impression that the database info is keyed on a machine name so it's hard to change afterwards. Am I confused about that?
[22:27:08] sphery: wookey: OK, that's a version of MythTV from May 10, 2010--it's the 0.23 release version. Ideally, you'd use a version of 0.23-fixes that's Jun 17, 2010 or later (as we had a binary API change that date). Yours doesn't have the fix that would have given you proper error messages at startup rather than the "no fonts/small fonts" screen, but you're beyond that, now. I'd recommend upgrading to current 0.23-fixes if there's any way you can, but if you ...
[22:27:14] sphery: ... can't get packages to do so, then it's up to you.
[22:27:41] [R]: wookey: the db info is either found by upnp or in ~/.mythtv
[22:27:47] sphery: We recommend that /all/ packagers use the 0.xx-fixes branches for packaged MythTV, not the release-0.23 tag
[22:28:29] wookey: sphery: I do very much like to use packages if possible. debian-multimedia will hopefully upgrade at some point
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[22:29:51] wookey: Is there anything else particularly broken in the release (apart from the tony-fonts on setup issue?)
[22:29:54] sphery: wookey: the backend itself should be set up using an actual hostname and routable IP address. The settings in the DB are found using the host name. If you originally set up using localhost, you'd need to shut down MythTV (all parts--frontends/backends/etc), then (if required) change your system to use a static IP address and hostname, then http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend ...
[22:30:00] sphery: ... with --change_hostname --old_hostname='localhost' --new_hostname='realhostname'
[22:30:06] rhollan: well, I found all the tables with offending hostname entries, checked that they had correct hostname equivalents and removed the bad ones. Here's crossing my fingers.
[22:30:58] sphery: wookey: >100 fixes (somewhere close to 200 fixes)
[22:31:29] sphery: rhollan: to change hostname, you should really use the restore script: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend
[22:31:52] wookey: can db access be configured just by hostname, rather than IP adress? Then I could tell it to use 'backend' and move that about by DNS if required. Or is that likely to cause problems?
[22:32:13] sphery: rhollan: if you have a backup from before editing the DB directly, I recommend restoring it, then using the restore script to fix the hostnames properly: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend
[22:32:27] wookey: I always like to configure things by service-names rather than static IPs these days if possible
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[22:33:21] sphery: wookey: it uses only hostname, but you have to specify an IP address as a setting (i.e. MythTV does *not* use system name resolution as many of our users do not have local DNS configured for their internal networks, so MythTV does its own name resolution by storing a setting for an IP address for each host)
[22:33:48] sphery: so if you change the IP address at the system level, you /must/ change the setting's value before starting mythtv apps
[22:34:04] sphery: you can use DHCP to assign an address to your system--just make sure it always assigns the same address
[22:34:28] sphery: and if you ever need to change the address, you can, but you have to run mythtv-setup to edit the backend or master backend IP address settings
[22:35:21] wookey: OK, fair enough – I cansee that replying on working DNS inthe home network environment would cause a lot of trouble
[22:35:41] football: wasn't there a facility in myth to determine what gets put in the logs? Can't seem to find it atm
[22:36:14] kormoc: football, -v blah
[22:36:59] wookey: one last query – do we expect v0.23 to use significantly more resource on the frontend than 0.21? My (eged via miniitx) box had to be carefully tuned to play smoothly on 0.21. I've been resiting upgrading because I expected it might mean buying a new machine
[22:38:34] football: bah, no supressing of transcoding errors
[22:38:43] football: that's just too bad
[22:39:01] kormoc: football, just disable transcoding given it's broken
[22:39:02] sphery: wookey: I'd guess playback would be less CPU/RAM intensive, but the UI may be more intensive--depending on choice of theme
[22:39:09] wookey: oh, and the other last question. If I have an image of the old install, can I copy back the database config (so as to keep existing database of searches, what's been seen/recorded/pending etc?). I see info on upgrading a machine but this is now a fresh install..
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[22:40:09] sphery: wookey: Best bet is to make a DB backup: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore
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[22:41:36] sphery: then you can guarantee that the data will work properly--regardless of changing versions of MySQL
[22:43:30] wookey: OK. I'd expect that script to need a running machine rather than just a disk image...
[22:43:59] wookey: (as I assume it interrogates a running mysql).
[22:44:31] wookey: but maybe I can chroot into the image and run it there successfully. I'll try...
[22:44:38] football: serves me right for upgrading w/o testing
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[22:44:55] wookey: thanx muchly for your help. Most appreciated :-)
[22:45:55] football: gonna revert back to .22 ASAP
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[22:51:15] rhollan: sphery: yeah I looked at that, but it said it wouldn't work if one of the host names was ALREADY in the DB.
[22:51:32] rhollan: So far what I did appears to have worked, though some movies do not play.
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[22:51:47] rhollan: do I need to install libdvdnav to get navigation?
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[22:56:33] rhollan: what is the name of the native player with mythtv?
[22:56:37] sphery: rhollan: needed for DVD navigation
[22:56:47] sphery: MythTV has its own built-in player (Internal)
[22:56:53] rhollan: I'd like to try to run it directly
[22:57:21] rhollan: libdvdnav appears installed
[22:57:26] rhollan: libdvdnav.so.4
[22:57:34] rhollan: is an appropriate symlink
[22:57:58] rhollan: hmm. these iso images USED to play fine.
[22:58:10] rhollan: But I don't see any .decss CSS caches any more
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[23:01:03] sphery: libdvdnav is separate from the decss libs (libdvdcss)
[23:01:50] rhollan: yeah, and I have both, but some movies no longer play
[23:03:08] rhollan: At least I got rid of that damn Video SG group error.
[23:03:24] rhollan: As for the movies, I can get them to play by going through the menu
[23:04:34] rhollan: Cool! got a movie playing in the media room, and streaming m3u audio from a song in my cd collection to a remote mythweb client authenticated against an entry in an LDAP DB
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[23:06:27] [R]: why do you need to auth against ldap
[23:07:05] rhollan: my backend is behind a firewall where access to the web server is public, and authenticated
[23:07:41] [R]: you want to mythweb over the internet?
[23:08:08] [R]: i thought about that
[23:08:12] [R]: but my backend doesnt stay on 24/7
[23:12:23] rhollan: not really, but the backend also sinks my inbound email and I use iRedMail to provide a remote web interface.
[23:12:35] rhollan: So authenticating access to MythWeb was trivial
[23:13:04] rhollan: I added a mythtvEnabled attribute to the user database and any user who can authenticate gets mythweb.
[23:13:15] rhollan: Good for streaming music to my phone.
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[23:15:05] henkpoley: Hi, when I play an mp4 file with MythVideo all people sound like whales (lowww and sloww)
[23:15:21] henkpoley: I guess this has something to do with my HDMI audio, but how do I fix this?
[23:15:35] henkpoley: Recorded video plays (reasonably) fine
[23:15:59] henkpoley: With reasonably, I mean, I don't see anything wrong with it
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[23:24:32] GreyFoxx: henk: It's likely the AAC decoding
[23:24:38] GreyFoxx: I use to run into that as well
[23:25:02] rhollan: now, got to get lirc working again.
[23:25:04] GreyFoxx: then I started ripping to mkv's with ac3 audeio
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[23:25:16] GreyFoxx: but it works just find in trunk now with the major audio changes
[23:26:06] rhollan: but I'm having too much fun listening to my music.
[23:26:10] henkpoley: GreyFoxx: So it's the usual 'live dangerous and have a working system' advice again ? ;-)
[23:26:41] henkpoley: GreyFoxx: Were there any DB updates since latest stable ?
[23:27:45] GreyFoxx: probably, don't know offhand
[23:27:59] GreyFoxx: henk: or just rencode it (you can do that with the audio only
[23:28:56] GreyFoxx: ffmpeg -i file.mp4 -vcodec copy -acodec ac3 -ab 384 file.mkv or something similar
[23:29:05] GreyFoxx: it wont reencode the video, just the audio
[23:29:13] henkpoley: Both options mean my my sister can't watch it now (not you problem :P)
[23:29:18] henkpoley: Will check that command
[23:29:18] GreyFoxx: note that line might not be 100% correct but it will be simple
[23:29:23] GreyFoxx: similar
[23:29:32] henkpoley: And I'm going to sleep like 2 hours ago
[23:29:33] GreyFoxx: only takes a couple minute if you reendoe audio only
[23:29:37] henkpoley: So.. :P
[23:31:32] henkpoley: hmm ffmpeg moans the input parameter is incorrect (yes I replaced the name)
[23:32:42] henkpoley: Exact error "Error while opening codec for output stream #0.1 – maybe incorrect parameters such as bit_rate, rate, width or height"
[23:32:55] henkpoley: is about output anyways
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[23:34:00] henkpoley: How do you pick another audio stream with ffmpeg ?
[23:34:22] henkpoley: I've got #0.1 and #0.2 on the input, but need only #0.2
[23:38:56] henkpoley: problem was with "-ab 384" --> "-ab 384k"
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