Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, July 9th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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ekristen:

I've never had anyone say something about a three letter acronym before — roger, I'll do my best ;)

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Beirdo:

heh, maybe I'm being uber-careful today, but still :)

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Beirdo:

BLARGH! why can't I find a nice SMALL cigar in holts.com inventory?!

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ekristen:

nah its fine

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Beirdo:

like size of cigarette small

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ekristen:

anyone know the link to the MythTV XML api on port 6544?

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kd0fhs:

adac: hard to say, we don't have that card here in the states... perhaps someone else knows

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adac:

kd0fhs, I see...

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adac:

Ok its time for bed know

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adac:

goodnight channel :)

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Shadow__X:

hey guys so i was trying to build myth frontend on os x and it keeps erroring out with error 2 at line 809 http://pastebin.ca/1896999

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: 'http://mythtv.org/wiki/themes' to 'themes'

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k-man:

appart from ensuring mysql is accessible over the network, do i need to do anything else to have a remote frontend?

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wagnerrp:

mysql, and mythbackend

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Shadow__X:

is my question better suited for #mythtv or is here the proper place

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k-man:

wagnerrp: thanks

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: no, thats user support, here is the correct place

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Shadow__X:

oh ok thanks

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wagnerrp:

what version of mythtv are you trying to build?

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Shadow__X:

.23 fixes

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wagnerrp:

ah, right... thats right at the top

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Shadow__X:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

anyway... thats not even a mythtv bug

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wagnerrp:

youre still trying to build Qt

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: oh ok so what should i do

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wagnerrp:

figure out why Qt isnt building?

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wagnerrp:

says 'this version of mac os x is unsupported'

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Shadow__X:

so #qt i go? its os x snow leopard

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what you would do

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wagnerrp:

it may be that snow leopard wants 4.5 or 4.6

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wagnerrp:

(or rather 4.4.3 is not set up to allow building on osx 10.6)

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Shadow__X:

should i try to build qt 4.5 or 4.6 manually?

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wagnerrp:

open up the file in question

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wagnerrp:

line 68

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wagnerrp:

youll see what you need to do

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Shadow__X:

ah so put # in front of 4.4 and remove it from 4–6 correct

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wagnerrp:

looks like it to me

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wagnerrp:

'#' being a comment

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Shadow__X:

right

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: thanks so far so good

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wagnerrp:

bleh...

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wagnerrp:

who's going to tell JCD hes doing bad things?

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Shadow__X:

thanks again wagnerrp

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, I'm up on the fence. essentially he's doing what they want you to do when they encrypt. you record the encrypted stream and then have to decrypt on playback. don't cablecard versions of windows and tivo3 store the encrypted streams on disk and then decrypt on playback?

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** Captain_Murdoch may be wrong, but he's willing to admit it. :) **

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: hardcam/softcam argument aside, its patching against the mythbuntu release version

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wagnerrp:

you know, the one 400 revisions before the official 0.23 release

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, that makes it a feature request without a patch.

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ekristen:

evening

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ekristen:

http://pastebin.ca/1897014 <-- this error always happens when mythfilldatabase runs

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ekristen:

my shows never get scheduled without having to restart mythtv-backend

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juan__:

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larzen1:

anyone here with any v4l programming experience?

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wagnerrp:

you might be better off in #linuxtv

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J-e-f-f-A:

Captain_Murdoch: And here I thought I was the only person on earth still running FC8... ;-) (I'm now on FC13, but it took me a LONG time to actually commit to doing the upgrade... ie: re-install...)

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wagnerrp:

also one of the few people running centos

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gee, why is mythbackend trying to generate a preview with dimensions of 0x0? "Preview Error: Despite command '/usr/local/bin/mythbackend --generate-preview 0x0 --chanid 8550 --starttime 20100708210000 ' returning success" ... "MainServer: Failed to make preview image."

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wagnerrp:

that probably makes it decide on its own based off the resolution of the video

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: so probably a failed recording... doh! /me checks.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Not failed... -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 5373985452 Jul 8 22:01 /MythTV/sdg/recordings/8550_20100708210000.mpg

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ooh, it's Burn Notice... yikes, I forgot that aired at 9pm. ;-) /me goes off to watch it... ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

I take it our minimum python version is 2.6 now ?:)

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wagnerrp:

it was a rerun

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wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: that depends on what youre referring to

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: tonight? Should have been a new episode....

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wagnerrp:

minimum /should/ be 2.5

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Beirdo:

stupid upstart

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wagnerrp:

but there are one or two MNV grabbers that need 2.6

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GreyFoxx:

I'm assuming that is the cause of this : http://www.pastebin.ca/1897027

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GreyFoxx:

I noticed when the movie metadata lookup app started complaining after I updated an hour ago :)

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wagnerrp:

'with' is supposed to exist in 2.5

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wagnerrp:

but i think i need to import it from __future__

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** wagnerrp isnt making a joke **

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

stupid STUPID upstart

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Beirdo:

I want normal init... please

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Beirdo:

aiccu can not be started until AFTER my network is up, you stupid ubuntu piece of junk

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Beirdo:

my building had a power failure...

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Beirdo:

just before I got home... firewall didn't bring my IPv6 tunnel back up because upstart is retarded

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Shadow__X:

now it is failing later on libqtsql.4.6.0.dylib error 1

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Shadow__X:

http://pastebin.ca/1897029

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yeah, you're right... it is a rerun... why did they do that?

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Beirdo:

because they can

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Shadow__X:

it seems as if i might actually need to goto qt it seems as if most of these issues are qt related

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wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: want to give http://pastebin.ca/1897031 a try?

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GreyFoxx:

Sure, I'll try it in just a sec

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wagnerrp:

i intend to keep 2.5 support through 0.24

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GreyFoxx:

yay

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wagnerrp:

but i have no machine to test it on

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wagnerrp:

so sometimes i miss stuff like that

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GreyFoxx:

No errors installing that time

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wagnerrp:

although ill probably bump it to 2.6 after the branch

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** GreyFoxx tests the grabbers **

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GreyFoxx:

Woop, all fixed now :)

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wagnerrp:

considering 2.7 is already out

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wagnerrp:

and 2.6 is 20mo old

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wagnerrp:

whats the syntax to refer to a commit in a commit?

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Beirdo:

[#] or r# both highlight in Trac, I think

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Beirdo:

Ref [#] maybe?

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J-e-f-f-A:

"I'm seeing a counselor, Micheal, and he's pretty sure *you're* the one who has the problem!" <-- funny!

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that did it

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Beirdo:

s/Micheal/Michael/ :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Hehehe... close enough for "Government work"... ;-)

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Beirdo:

(hint... -el refers to God in Hebrew, Michael is a Hebrew name)

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Beirdo:

or so my old Sunday School training taught me

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Shadow__X:

any ideas?

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Beirdo:

plenty, but not necessarily having anything to do with your problem, whatever that may be

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J-e-f-f-A:

ooh, "Covert Affaris" premieres on Tuesday... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

bah... 2.7 now adds an ordered dictionary class

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

stealing yer thunder?

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wagnerrp:

no, its now included, but i cant use it due to maintaining backwards compatibility

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

thou shalt not make 2.7 a dependency... yet

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Beirdo:

699 to go... you think we'll make it before 0.24?

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wagnerrp:

and... yet another command line parser

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Beirdo:

I'll parse YOU

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Beirdo:

whaaa?

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Beirdo:

the HDPVR will capture off spdif?

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Beirdo:

let me go look and see if my receiver will output it

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Beirdo:

well, I'll be...

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Beirdo:

I guess when I get home from Philly, I have a fiber optic cable to be buying

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: It sure will... I do it now. ;-)

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Beirdo:

I never really bothered to look

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Beirdo:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Order it from 'monoprice.com' now, and it'll be in your mailbox by the time you get home, and cheap too.

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Beirdo:

I shall be fixing it

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Beirdo:

nah, I'll order it a few days before coming back :)

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Beirdo:

it will give me time to think of what other cables I need from them

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Beirdo:

so far... spdif optical... svideo...

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Beirdo:

USB – ATA/SATA if they have one I liek

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Beirdo:

if not, Amazon will do... I get free shipping anyways

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J-e-f-f-A:

I ordered 4 sets of cables – 4 Component 3' cables, and 4 Toslink Optical 3' cables. ;-) (I wanted 1.5', but they only had one in that length... so I got both at 3')

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wagnerrp:

'the steam servers are currently too busy to handle your request. please try again in a few minutes.'

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wagnerrp:

oh valve... how you have betrayed me

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wagnerrp:

i said you were the good kind of DRM

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** Beirdo wonders what's hosing his link **

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J-e-f-f-A:

Oh, Psych season premiere next week too... Yikes, I think USA is my favorite channel this season...

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

mine too

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Beirdo:

they account for about half of my schedule

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wagnerrp:

i just downloaded a 550MB patch, why do i need another 65MB patch??

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Beirdo:

because they say so :)

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Beirdo:

duh

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Shadow__X:

ones for game play ones for maps perhaps?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: what did you do, switch to winblows? ;-) hehehehehehe

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wagnerrp:

what? i never switched from winblows

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

more shameful words have rarely been spoken

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** Beirdo hangs his head and admits he hasn't ever de-windows-ed either. **

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wagnerrp:

agh... and it reset my resolution to 800x600

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wagnerrp:

and crashed

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Beirdo:

you sound... surprised?

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wagnerrp:

i need a new hard drive...

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wagnerrp:

this antique 300GB is too slow

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Beirdo:

gah

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Beirdo:

the power failure aborted my recording of Good Eats

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Beirdo:

there. delete + allow rerecord

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

seems valve brought back the old server browser

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wagnerrp:

from HL1.5

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Beirdo:

I don't do valve :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Oh... they did a Burn Notice marathon today... 6am – 11pm....

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Shadow__X:

Anyone have an idea why the package script for the mythtv os x builder isnt working? http://pastebin.ca/1897029

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Beirdo:

probably because it's too hot out

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Shadow__X:

only 77 here

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Beirdo:

lucky you.

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Beirdo:

over 90 in Seattle

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Beirdo:

anyways, I think OSX is being worked on in trunk some

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Beirdo:

I don't have Mac, so I dunno

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Shadow__X:

see my issue is if i use the prebuilt packages they dont have the qt jpeg addon

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Shadow__X:

and when i try to build it myself it yells at me but i dont understand it

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[R]:

90?

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[R]:

i laugh at 90

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[R]:

HAHAHA

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[R]:

106 right now

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Shadow__X:

want to get a real laugh? check out that pastebin itll make you laugh

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[R]:

doubt that

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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Beirdo:

use Linux :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Shadow__X:

thats constructive

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Beirdo:

and/or check the commits and trac for bugs, etc

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Beirdo:

well, you are trying to do something almost nobody does

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** wagnerrp looks into pickling his 'objects' **

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Beirdo:

with Linux, you'd have much better luck :) But there are OSX users in the dev community, so it might work

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[R]:

wagnerrp: that just sounds wrong

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Shadow__X:

Beirdo: well there are successful builds and prebuilt packages out where i am just having an issue with the auto builder

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wagnerrp:

'pickle' is the standard serialization mechanism in python

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[R]:

wagnerrp: haha

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wagnerrp:

but most of the classes in the python bindings cannot be used because they contain a connection of some sort

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wagnerrp:

so i need to manually define the data to pack and unpack

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Beirdo:

pickle this :)

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Beirdo:

oh wait

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Beirdo:

that's just wrong

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** wagnerrp gets the brine **

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Beirdo:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . amp;format=2

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Beirdo:

hmmm, this could be a useful tool

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wagnerrp:

not really

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[R]:

for what?

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Beirdo:

why not?

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wagnerrp:

only for 8 and 9 series nvidia cards

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Beirdo:

to put the audio from my current setup onto the HDMI :)

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Beirdo:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

er... prior to 8-series cards

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Beirdo:

and a LOT of people still use those

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[R]:

i have a motherboard with an onboard 8200 or something

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wagnerrp:

or 2-series ATI

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[R]:

and it muxes the audio onto the hdmi

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[R]:

dvi*

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[R]:

freaked the fsck out of me when i realized that it was doing it

[03:45:44]

wagnerrp:

anything 8-series or newer supports muxing audio into hdmi

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Beirdo:

well, the 9500GT I have has no HDMI

[03:45:55]

Beirdo:

only DVI

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Beirdo:

and doesn't show up as an audio device that I've ever seen

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[R]:

Beirdo: it does it with dvi for me

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wagnerrp:

doubtful

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Beirdo:

what's doubtful?

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wagnerrp:

that 'DVI' port is probably an HDMI port with a DVI connector

[03:46:34]

Beirdo:

it's DVI-D

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[R]:

well it has a dvi and an hdmi

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wagnerrp:

and youve probably got holes for an SPDIF header somewhere on the board you can tap into

[03:47:29]

Beirdo:

then wouldn't it show in ALSA somehow?

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wagnerrp:

no, its just passthrough

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Beirdo:

gah

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wagnerrp:

you feed it a SPDIF signal into that header, and it muxes it into the video feed

[03:48:03]

Beirdo:

well, I can LOOK

[03:48:09]

Beirdo:

hehe

[03:48:14]

Beirdo:

but I dunno :)

[03:48:27]

wagnerrp:

exactly what that $40 box does... for free

[03:48:37]

Beirdo:

yeah, if it has it... :)

[03:49:22]

Beirdo:

certainly doesn't seem to be a connector on the outside anyways

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Beirdo:

and I'm not opening it right now, it's recording

[03:51:59]

Beirdo:

something to look into though :)

[03:52:32]

Beirdo:

not that I REALLY want to find a way to route an optical cable into the box

[03:53:26]

Beirdo:

I guess it MIGHT be able to do it onto a non-optical output, I dunno. I'd have to research it all

[03:53:27]

ekristen:

Beirdo: correct me if I am wrong but the only ways to stream recordings from mythtv is either using the mythprotocol via port 6543 or via mythweb? of course the option to mount the drive where the recordings are stored is an option too

[03:53:43]

wagnerrp:

ekristen: you can hit the XML interface

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Beirdo:

you can use UPnP

[03:54:07]

ekristen:

wagnerrp: really? the XML interface has a way to deliver the content?

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Beirdo:

if you have such players around

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ekristen:

whats the syntax for the UPnP do you know?

[03:54:33]

ekristen:

or point me to the documentation?

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wagnerrp:

http://<backend>:6544/Myth/GetRecording . . . 00:00:00>

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wagnerrp:

the UPNP is just that, UPNP

[03:55:10]

wagnerrp:

you access it as documented by the UPNP AV protocol

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[R]:

i want a upnp device

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[R]:

something small and cheap

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wagnerrp:

for what its worth, i believe the UPnP interface uses the link i gave above

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ekristen:

ah I misread the xml api on the GetRecording

[03:56:09]

ekristen:

I took it for what was currently recording

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ekristen:

thanks wagnerrp !

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ekristen:

thanks Beirdo !

[03:57:04]

wagnerrp:

if youre using python, ive got a file object set up to stream over mythprotocol in the bindings

[03:58:24]

ekristen:

wagnerrp: really?

[03:58:51]

ekristen:

it just so happens I have a little project call mythboxee

[03:59:10]

ekristen:

I was rewriting it to use the XML interface

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ekristen:

s/was/am/

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wagnerrp:

from MythTV import ftopen; ftopen('myth://<storage group>@<backend>[:port]/path/to/file.mpg')

[04:00:03]

wagnerrp:

it returns a FileTransfer object, that behaves like a standard python file object

[04:00:26]

ekristen:

can I get the source from you?

[04:00:31]

wagnerrp:

no

[04:01:04]

wagnerrp:

you can get the source from you

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Beirdo:

eww. mythboxee?!

[04:01:14]

** Beirdo shudders **

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wagnerrp:

youve already got the bindings installed, you dope... :P

[04:01:54]

ekristen:

oh

[04:02:00]

ekristen:

I am a n00b to python

[04:02:08]

ekristen:

Beirdo: why the shudders?

[04:02:30]

wagnerrp:

well when xbmc did it, they did it badly

[04:02:45]

wagnerrp:

ignoring protocol and schema checks

[04:02:52]

ekristen:

well that is unfortunate

[04:02:56]

wagnerrp:

if youre using the XML interface, there are no checks to ignore

[04:03:08]

wagnerrp:

and if youre using the python bindings, they handle all those checks for you

[04:03:10]

ekristen:

the current version I am working on is just going to use the XML interface

[04:03:36]

ekristen:

eventually I would like to be able to use the mythtv bindings, but one step at a time ;)

[04:03:53]

wagnerrp:

fair enough, there is documentation on the wiki describing them

[04:04:06]

wagnerrp:

as well as the internal documentation, accessible through the interpreter shell

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ekristen:

sweet, so the mythtv ftopen comes with python?

[04:04:21]

wagnerrp:

there are some significant changes that will show up in 0.24

[04:04:32]

wagnerrp:

(after some radical changes that showed up in 0.23)

[04:04:35]

ekristen:

I am assuming that is why I would already have it?

[04:04:37]

Beirdo:

well cool. I hope ya do it right, and everyone will be happy :)

[04:05:07]

ekristen:

Beirdo: me too, like I said I am strictly using the XML interface

[04:05:08]

wagnerrp:

if you installed mythtv, and you had the necessary prereqs, and didnt intentionally disable the python bindings, you have them installed

[04:05:16]

ekristen:

ah

[04:05:22]

Beirdo:

well, I'm all for having it done right :)

[04:05:41]

Beirdo:

time to watch Trailer Park Boys :)

[04:05:53]

ekristen:

wagnerrp: my understand is I will have to provide the libraries with the boxee app if I am going to get it to work on other peopls computers that don't have mythtv installed

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ekristen:

Beirdo: do you use boxee?

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wagnerrp:

pull them out of the source tree if you need them

[04:06:38]

Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

no need for it

[04:06:55]

Beirdo:

I do mythtv :)

[04:07:09]

Beirdo:

all I want

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wagnerrp:

bastardize them as you please

[04:07:32]

wagnerrp:

i never put any sort of licensing terms on them, so as far as im concerned, there are none

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ekristen:

wagnerrp: if I want to use them in the boxee app I will probably have to do that, thanks for the heads up

[04:07:52]

wagnerrp:

its probably technically covered under lgpl or something

[04:08:23]

Beirdo:

Hmm, wagnerrp I think if you didn't specify otherwise, they'd fall under MythTV's general GPL2.0+ license, no?

[04:08:41]

ekristen:

Beirdo: me too, I just find the boxee interface more appealing, my wife finds it easier to use as well, plus there is a lot more content support (but then again it does have a company behind it vs a strictly OS community)

[04:08:48]

wagnerrp:

there was some discussion about this a week or two ago

[04:09:11]

wagnerrp:

and the suggestion was that libraries for external access are best done under lgpl or public domain

[04:09:27]

Beirdo:

there is no such thing as public domain

[04:09:43]

Beirdo:

as that does NOT work anywhere but US/Canada/UK (perhaps)

[04:09:58]

Beirdo:

but yeah, LGPL would work well :)

[04:10:01]

wagnerrp:

well... WTFPL then... :)

[04:10:05]

ekristen:

MIT ;)

[04:10:06]

Beirdo:

hehe

[04:10:16]

[R]:

wagnerrp: does trunk still kill kittens?

[04:10:22]

Beirdo:

[R]: daily

[04:10:28]

** [R] cries for the kitties **

[04:10:37]

wagnerrp:

yeah, weve got a kitten grinder out back

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[R]:

HAHA

[04:10:54]

wagnerrp:

purees them for hotdog meat

[04:11:02]

clever:

mmmmmmmmm

[04:11:24]

[R]:

i'm pretty sure the type of meat allowed in hotdogs is regulated and cat isn't one of the acceptable meats

[04:11:29]

Beirdo:

heh. remind me not to eat hot dogs at a Reds home game

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clever:

[R]: enless you make and cook them all yourself and never pass it thru a regulated store

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: how the BLEEP did the Reds get into first in their division?! :)

[04:12:03]

Beirdo:

congrats :)

[04:12:04]

clever:

homemade kitten meat hotdogs!

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[R]:

ROFL

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you cover them in brown mustard and relish, theyre so delicious

[04:13:05]

Beirdo:

the Reds?

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Beirdo:

hehe

[04:13:12]

Beirdo:

I'll trust you on that

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wagnerrp:

dont jerk me around Beirdo! its a simple question! a baby could answer it! if you were a hot dog and you were starving, would you eat yourself?

[04:13:50]

Beirdo:

hehe, but of course

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Beirdo:

I hope I get a chance to get cheese steak this trip

[04:14:22]

ekristen:

hrm, I might need to rename my project to MythBoxy, because of trademarks

[04:15:37]

[R]:

i love it when i come home and theres a crap ton of shows recorded thru the day

[04:15:42]

[R]:

just watched 3 eps of mall cops

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[R]:

does anyobne else watch police women of memphis? office aubrey is hot

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ekristen:

I really wish that the mythtv xml api had the season and episode number information

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ekristen:

good night

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rhollan:

msg NickServ identify 14bddoqc

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rhollan:

feh

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wagnerrp:

woo! passwords!

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rhollan:

ya, you can pretend to be meeeee!

[05:18:55]

rhollan:

got my virtual email server running on my mythbuntu box and am now restoring content and db

[05:19:05]

rhollan:

even got LDAP auth for authorized mythweb users

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rhollan:

<homer simpson>I am so smart! I am so smart! S M R T, I mean S M A R T.</homer simpson>

[05:21:28]

rhollan:

no more bad guys running bots on my mail server 'cause my kid picked a weak password. No more user accounts on my mail server

[05:21:58]

rhollan:

And I have IMAP Push to my phone.

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Beirdo:

yay for you. Enjoy LDAP hell :)

[05:23:06]

rhollan:

ou=Users with mail attributes that match users with enabledService=mythtvUser attributes can control myth box remotely

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Beirdo:

I had LDAP running before. overkill that's just not worth it for home use... YMMV

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rhollan:

Yerah, but I can add arbitrary "service" attributes to users. Can't do that with a fixed schema

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** wagnerrp makes a mental note that unless you install the patched version of something, you will get the unpatched version when trying to run it **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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rhollan:

I can use it to hold postfix and dovecot authentication

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rhollan:

had lots of package dependencies to get iRedMail on mythbuntu, but stubborn fsck that I am, I got it working.

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rhollan:

part of it was deciding to get familiar with LDAP for professional reasons.

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rhollan:

Also, my anti-spam stuff is working much better now.

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rhollan:

Got SPF configured for my MX, and time to get DKIM done too

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** Beirdo wanders off to watch TV **

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Shadow__X:

so i am close to compiling mythfrontend on mac os x but now i am getting an error that i must has freetype installed when it is installed

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clever:

then install freetype!

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** rhollan wonders what kind of package management OS X has **

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rhollan:

feature request: "apt-get --do-the-right-thing"

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Shadow__X:

clever: but it is installed

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Shadow__X:

rhollan: no aptitude here

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Shadow__X:

this cow has no super powers

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: obviously not, if you still cant get it installed

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wagnerrp:

:)

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rhollan:

./configure; make; make install

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: eh yeah for some reason i am just not getting this right

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rhollan:

er, make that ./configure --with-pray

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rhollan:

possibly installed in unexpected places?

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Shadow__X:

rhollan: yeah i did ./configure && make && sudo make install also i did the commands individually

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Shadow__X:

still

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rhollan:

Oh, does OS X require you to reload the system shared lib cache

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rhollan:

ldconfig mumbletymumble?

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Shadow__X:

the only error on installation is this rmdir: /usr/local/include/freetype2/freetype/internal: No such file or directory

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Shadow__X:

make: [install] Error 1 (ignored)

[05:49:08]

Shadow__X:

but everyone else is ok

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clever:

that looks harmless to me

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rhollan:

freetype install tries to remove a non-existant dir? Did it install that dir after?

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rhollan:

doe you have to run ldconfig or something similar to reload the shared lib cache?

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Shadow__X:

it does rm -f /freetype/internal/* then rmdir /internal

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Shadow__X:

i am not sure

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rhollan:

but does it end up putting stuff there?

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rhollan:

on linux, if you add shared libraries, you generally have to reload the shared library cache with ldconfig

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rhollan:

Of course I know nothing about OS X.

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Shadow__X:

clever: any suggestions

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clever:

cant think of anything else

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rhollan:

install freetype as best you can and reboot? Hoping any shared lib cache gets loaded then? Just an idea.

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Shadow__X:

i suppose but i doubt that would help or do anything usefull

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rhollan:

dunno. I don't "do" OSX. But, if it's a shared library issue, and you don't know how to reload the cache, sometimes rebooting "does the right thing". Of course. it's a lame excuse for knowing what the right thing to do is.

[06:01:13]

rhollan:

You need an OS X gutu.

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rhollan:

guru

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Shadow__X:

yeah i think the issue is the os x people in here have better things to do

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eoke:

Anyone here from the UK that can recommend a working tuner card for MythTV (preferably twin tuner) that's still in production and will work in the UK?

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growler:

eoke: dunno if it's still in production, but I'm using a haupagge wintv nova-t 500

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eoke:

Cheers growler I'll take a look.

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growler:

with a few minor config changes it's quite reliable

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eoke:

Certainly stills seems to be in production so I'll get one ordered you don't happen to have a link for me to look at with regards to the minor config changes.

[08:39:33]

growler:

(and that's a dvb-t card, so no HD content as that's dvb-t2 (or satelite))

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eoke:

growler: I've not got a HD tv yet but I suppose that's something I should probably be considering.

[08:40:41]

growler:

set the tuning delay on both tuners to 500ms, and disable active eit scanning on one of them

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eoke:

Cheers growler you've been most helpful much appreciated.

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bjd:

i found with the nova-t 500 I had to use the 1.10 firmware and not 1.20

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eoke:

bjd: Cheers noted, does using the older firmware cause any other issues or limitations?

[08:45:43]

bjd:

Nup, works perfectly

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eoke:

growler bjd: Excellent sounds like a good little card to get me started thanks for you help :)

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growler:

bjd: whatever ships with the current mythbuntu seems to work fine

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growler:

which was nice, my previous build had been a nightmare

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growler:

eoke: http://growler.woaf.net/not_what_it_could_hav . . . v-setup.html

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growler:

dunno if that'll be any use, it's the somewhat rambling story of my current setup

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eoke:

Cheers Growler, I'll take a look.

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growler:

probably the only useful bits are the hardware, and the last sentance which contains the fix for the nova-t 500 problems

[08:58:06]

growler:

the nova-t is really a USB controller and two of their USB tuners, stuck on a PCI card, hence the reference to USB disconnects

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ServerSage:

So I'm thinking of getting one those fancy Western Digital WD TV devices. Two questions, anybody have one and like it? Also, how do folks generally handle scheduling/deleting of recordings? Do you simply use the web interface?

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eoke:

growler: Cheers for that post it's been most useful and informative.

[09:07:24]

eoke:

I've already got a Jetway J7F2 running as a NAS that doesn't do alot do you think this will be sufficient for the backend?

[09:07:47]

eoke:

Sorry forgot the link http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=34#j7f2

[09:07:49]

growler:

unless you want to transcode things the backend doesn't really do that much

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justinh:

eoke: a while ago I bought a USB dual tuner from Maplin for £25 which works very well. I don't use it in production though

[09:14:24]

justinh:

and I'm not sure if they still sell it

[09:17:59]

eoke:

justinh: Cheers for that though I'd be concerned that it won't be the exact same part they originally sold to you if that makes sense. As I'm new to MythTV I'm trying to keep the variables to a minimum.

[09:19:23]

eoke:

Any idea what kind of bandwidth is required between the backend and front end for standard and high def? I'm wondering if Wi-Fi will cut it or if I need to think about running LAN cables.

[09:20:22]

quicksilver:

good quality wifi on a quiet network is fine for SD

[09:20:41]

quicksilver:

I don't think you'll have any luck with HD.

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eoke:

Cheers quicksilver I've got some of those devolo 200Mb/s wall plugs somewhere I'll probably just rope those in rather than saturate the WiFi in that case. God help me if they partner has trouble getting on Facebook.

[09:22:39]

quicksilver:

quite.

[09:22:49]

quicksilver:

The internet might be for porn, but wifi is for facebook as everyone knows.

[09:23:55]

bjd:

growler: happy with the asrock box?

[09:25:38]

growler:

bjd: very, it's near silent, and thanks to the ION it's fine for HD playback

[09:27:02]

growler:

for recent kernels you need to build the IR drivers yourself rather than using their .deb, but that's not really a problem

[09:27:26]

bjd:

Cool

[09:27:31]

bjd:

did you get it from Scam?

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growler:

think so

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growler:

can't remember, was a while ago

[09:30:32]

justinh:

YMMV with *any* wireless

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justinh:

so it works right now. it might not work well in the next hour

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justinh:

you simply cannot beat wired networking, end of story

[09:31:35]

justinh:

if you want to be able to rely on it, use wired. otherwise wireless is great for convenience

[09:37:10]

growler:

and powerline networking you get the fun of serious RF interference which may or may not be a headache.

[09:44:45]

eoke:

Yeah wired certainly seems to be the way to go.

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sid3windr:

my socalled "gigabit" powerline gets about 20Mbit halfduplex through

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sid3windr:

which is better than the 10Mbit halfduplex my "45Mbit" powerline got through

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sid3windr:

but not really in perspective

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sid3windr:

:p

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sid3windr:

also the gbit one sometimes cuts out

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sid3windr:

so I put the 45M back :|

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justinh:

cabling up a whole house needn't take too long, and besides it's a good investment of time when you consider how much of it you might waste trying to debug wireless problems :)

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justinh:

LOL. So that's why I've not been getting emails lately. Spam filter is catching mails from colleagues

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drindt:

hello i want buy a remote control, what is the best for using mythtv?

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justinh:

as with any other 'what is best' type question it's really about what's best for YOU

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justinh:

if you're happy with a lame piece of crap credit card size remote, use the remote that comes with most TV tuner cards :-)

[10:16:38]

justinh:

a lot of people like Windows MCE remotes. They work in linux & are good for mythtv

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justinh:

some like Logitech Harmony remotes, but they don't come with a receiver so you've got to make sure you've got a receiver it'll work with

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drindt:

justinh: tested various windows mce remotes and iam unsatisfacted with it. so i would try the harmony

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justinh:

so 'best' comes down to whether or not you need it to work with other devices versus the number of buttons it has, versus whether it's supplied with a receiver and/or IR blaster

[10:19:07]

justinh:

what's wrong with the various mce remotes you've tried?

[10:20:02]

justinh:

IMHO most things people find 'wrong' with remotes can be fixed by tweaking LIRC

[10:20:27]

justinh:

although I'm not too happy about my harmony's quite slow repeat rate

[10:20:56]

justinh:

you can only tweak the button sending interval to 100msec

[10:21:28]

justinh:

and by default the interval is much greater than that

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drindt:

the remote i have here is a techsolo, and the keys are double and such. the description on the keys doesnt fit my needs and such

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justinh:

getting multiple presses for one button press is easily fixed by tweaking your lirc config

[10:23:55]

justinh:

BTW when I say 'MCE Remote' I mean Original Microsoft MCE Certified remote, not some OEM junk

[10:24:39]

justinh:

you know – the ones which actually have enough buttons to be useful, and they're labelled useful things like Guide, Menu, Info etc :)

[10:25:23]

justinh:

I think my Harmony 525 is okay – it certainly has enough logically named buttons

[10:25:39]

justinh:

the tricky part is making it work with the receiver you use

[10:25:58]

justinh:

though with mine that was easy – it's a home-made serial port receiver :)

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drindt:

justinh: i found actually a kameleon they had a display on top with the keys http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/342073/ONE . . . ERNBEDIENUNG

[10:27:11]

justinh:

those OneForAll made remotes can be tricky to make work

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justinh:

I've got a OFA-6 model too

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justinh:

it was impossible to find a code for it with enough active buttons

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justinh:

so I ended up reprogramming it with a JP1 cable

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justinh:

and as for well named buttons... nope

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justinh:

no INFO button

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justinh:

no GUIDE button

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justinh:

and the MENU button is right at the top

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drindt:

i thought that i can build in new graphics

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drindt:

for the buttons so that would be great

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justinh:

LOL no

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justinh:

those are just legends with lights behind them

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drindt:

why? lol that would be perfect

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justinh:

you wouldn't get that for under 50 Euro

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drindt:

probably not

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justinh:

nice if you could, but no

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justinh:

nah it's just an EL strip underneath the key legends

[10:30:45]

justinh:

for that kind of money you can prolly find a Harmony 525

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drindt:

justinh: ok, i will take a look later when i have more time, i just got money now for buying a slim dvd drive

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drindt:

here is my myth box http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=190913& . . . l=9f43eb2172 if you want taking a look

[10:34:15]

drindt:

the box needs overall just 29W

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justinh:

I don't do facebook anymore

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drindt:

justinh: the album is public

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drindt:

should

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justinh:

I could just say looking at pics of other people's mythtv systems leaves me cold :)

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justinh:

oooo! A PC!

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drindt:

i come back later i have to go now, thanks for the conversation justinh

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drindt:

bye

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k-man:

i did a make install on the latest fixes build, but now i get this error when i run the frontend: Plugin mythvideo (0.23.20100429–1) binary version does not match libraries (0.23.201000617–1)

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k-man:

i did make install in the mythtv directory and then mythplugins directory

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gbee:

run make clean in mythplugins then rebuild

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k-man:

gbee: could that cause mythtv-setup to report wrong version also?

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gbee:

k-man: make -C mythtv/programs clean

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gbee:

basically you need to force the plugins and apps to be entirely rebuilt against the updated libraries

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k-man:

so build and install mythtv first, then make clean, make install the plugins?

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justinh:

don't need to clean up generally – just depends what changes between revisions I think

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gbee:

k-man: you only need to clean if there have been changes to the library API/ABI

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gbee:

that's reflected in a change to libs/libmythdb/mythversion.h

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justinh:

right. here goes on yet another journey into the unknown with untested software running on untested hardware

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justinh:

it's gonna be a fun afternoon

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Hal-Emmerich:

Hey guys. Any reason why Internet video would crash the front end?

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Hal-Emmerich:

I tried using a plugin to browse Youtube (may have been Mythstream)

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Hal-Emmerich:

and it flickered, almost played and crashed

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justinh:

flash. AAAAAaaaaaa-arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[12:34:38]

justinh:

I liked J-rod's comment about it yesterday or so. He feels it's no coincidence its name rhymes with trash & crash ;-)

[12:36:05]

justinh:

anyway the plugin is unlikely to be mythstream since nobody appears to have updated it for at least a couple of mythtv versions

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justinh:

MythNetVision is more likely if you're running 0.23

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ekristen:

does anyone know if you can password protect the xml api interface?

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justinh:

no you can't

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justinh:

the myth protocol doesn't have any kind of authentication yet

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justinh:

other than version verification, but that's all you get

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ekristen:

thought so, just wanted to make sure, I'm writing an app that interacts with the xml interface, wanted to make sure i wasn't leaving anything out

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justinh:

why not use bindings instead?

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ekristen:

justinh: working toward that, one step at a time, this is an app for Boxee, I have to figure out how to interface the bindings and the Boxee media player

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justinh:

:-\

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justinh:

that's my take on the boxee logo btw :)

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ekristen:

kik

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ekristen:

lol

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ekristen:

justinh: any idea on how I can do an auto discovery of the mythtv backend system?

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justinh:

best suggestion I can come up with is to look in mythtv's source

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justinh:

it'll be something to do with upnp

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justinh:

so probably just do something like look for upnp broadcasts. I dunno how this stuff works

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justinh:

upnp is always enabled if mythbackend isn't bound to localhost – the only exception is when a user runs it with upnp specifically disabled

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justinh:

oh boy. seems our build server isn't very well set up here. nothing ever shows up when you click on 'view changes'. duh. how am I supposed to be able to find the right build then?

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ekristen:

thanks, and sucks the build server isn't working right

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ekristen:

mythtv doesn't do service discovery like mdns or zeroconf does it?

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justinh:

just the upnp stuff as far as I know

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justinh:

I *think* that's how the backend autodiscovery stuff works

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justinh:

hmm come to think about it, there's a PIN number involved with all this somewhere

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justinh:

4 digit number. not sure how it plays into things cos I've never had reason to use it

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gbee:

uh-huh, it's notionally there to prevent others on your network deleting recordings, or otherwise messing with your MythTV install

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gbee:

the pin

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gbee:

ekristen: MythTV has service discovery of backends using SSDP

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ekristen:

gbee: thanks, I'll take a look

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gbee:

but it doesn't receive the attention it should, so I it could probably work better than it does

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stevieman:

I just want to verify something, a co-worker has been asking me about myth and is interested in trying it out, they want to know if they can use their All-in-Wonder 9800 Pro with myth. I don't think they can but I want to be sure. They'd be using analoge SD cable only.

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jams:

stevieman- no the AIW is not supported

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sphery:

!url devices

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MythLogBot:

No match for keyword devices

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sphery:

argghhh! I never remember the name...

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sphery:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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jams:

you would be lucky to get the TV portion of that card working in Linux/xawtv

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stevieman:

thanks sphery

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sphery:

stevieman: that has the list of capture devices supported by V4L/DVB, which is all MythTV supports

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sphery:

AIW cards have a hardware design that tried to keep the TV off the computer (and the vid card just threw it into a box on screen), so they're not much use to a system that needs to record the video

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ttist25:

Good morning

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sphery:

er, the old AIW cards, at least--don't know about current

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wagnerrp:

they still make AIW cards?

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sphery:

maybe not

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stevieman:

thanks for confirming what I thought, I was sure I read they didn't really work a while back but my google-fu is lacking today

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sphery:

I haven't looked--maybe recent references are just users mistaking "TV Wonder" for "All-in-Wonder"

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ttist25:

I got my no color from firewire thing straight (for anyone who was here yesterday thanks for the help)

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ttist25:

now i'm playing with mythnetvision and I find that it's not working how I had envisioned it would – it looks like it's loading the <link url> instead of the <enclosure url> which, to me would make more sense

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stevieman:

I've been trying to improve HD playback on my P4 system, recontly I changed out the cpu for a 3ghz chip (cost me $10) and added 512 megs of ram (now have a gig) HD playback is almost perfect, still some studdering and I was wonder if I should be using CPU++ or CPU — in the playback setup. I'm using Bob (2x) also.

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ttist25:

anyone have any idea where I would go to try to change where mythnetvision looks for the content it loads from rss?

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stevieman:

I've done some reading that using CPU-- and only haveing one playback option is the best bet. Just wanted to check before I go messing things up even more

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sphery:

ttist25: if it's a grabber provided by MythTV, it's probably a Terms of Service requirement that the video you're interested in seeing be played only inside a browser, so MNV opens a browser pointing to the page with the video. If it's a grabber you're creating for some new source, after verifying the ToS requirements, you can probably change things to work appropriately (though I don't know how--other than to direct you to the grabber ...

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sphery:

... documentation on the wiki)

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sphery:

stevieman: CPU-anything playback profile groups are about the worst possible choice

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sphery:

stevieman: Slim is a great choice

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sphery:

stevieman: and if you want to customize, you should create a new custom profile group rather than edit one of the examples

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ttist25:

ok – so just take a look at some of the python scripts for clues and check the wiki?

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gbee:

sphery: I think ttist25 is asking where to configure which sources are used

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gbee:

ttist25: believe there is a config option under the menu (press M)

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sphery:

gbee: ah, thanks--that may be

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sphery:

stevieman: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles for info on editing/creating your own

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gbee:

sphery: oh, just read further back and you might have been right to begin with

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stevieman:

sphery: so I should make my own profile and only have one option in it something like <=0 > 0 Bob (2x)

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stevieman:

sphery: oh thanks

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gbee:

ttist25: so I'd look at the script if you want to change which url it uses

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sphery:

stevieman: probably >= 0 , though :)

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RDV_Linux:

ttist25: If you are talking about python grabbers then I can answer almost any of your questions. If you are referring to RSS feed links then they are parsed within the MythNetvision plugin itself.

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** gbee defers to RDV_Linux since he knows less than nothing about MNV **

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stevieman:

sphery: yah something like that, I was just pulling that off the top of m head. We had a power outage at home today and my myth box didn't come back up so I can't verify anything right now :)

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sphery:

stevieman: having only one profile in a playback profile group isn't a requirement, though--and may not make sense. The only benefit to having a single entry is that it allows you to verify that you're using the one you think you're using (or, if it won't work for the current video) the fallback to default

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gbee:

that would be me who knows nothing, in case that wasn't clear

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ttist25:

I think I'm looking for how to modify the way the plugin parses the feed

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stevieman:

sphery: either the power is out or my house blew up, I'm going with power outage

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sphery:

gbee: and me who knows nothing, too :)

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RDV_Linux:

ttist25: That is why I did not remark when you first posted your question.

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sphery:

all I know is that MNV is some black magic that does amazing things in MythTV that I didn't expect to ever be possible

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stevieman:

sphery: ok, good to know, I'm so close to getting HD playback on this machine

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ttist25:

for instance all of the feeds I have looked at (from different publishers) use <link> to load a webpage with the video on it

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ttist25:

wheras the <enclosure> tag has a property of url that holds the link to the actual media file

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ttist25:

it looks like mythnetvision is using the <link> url

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sphery:

stevieman: if it's about performance, I /highly/ recommend getting the right hardware for the job (i.e. ideally a sufficiently-powerful CPU and additionally, if desired, a VDPAU-capable GPU--though in a pinch, simply using a VDPAU-capable GPU with a toy processor, like Atom, will work)

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iamlindoro:

ttist25: MNV doesn't do any direct playback of media files yet-- therefore the in-context web playback is what it will do when an item is selected

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iamlindoro:

ttist25: In the future it shoudl become possible to play back media files more directly, but that it not presently possible, and is far more complicated than simply changing the parsing

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sphery:

and there's one of the magicians of MNV

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RDV_Linux:

ttist25: As I have written a few MNV grabbers I can say that different sources use different tags, and each grabber needs to do a fair amount of investigation in order to produce "Full browser screen autoplayback" links

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ttist25:

ok – I messed with something called mythnettv (i think) that went out and grabbed new videos from a feed and dropped them in and they showed up in my recordings folder

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iamlindoro:

If you want what you describe just now, you want mirobridge-- for now, at least

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sphery:

ttist25: and saving the enclosure, for example to integrate into MythVideo, may not (most likely will not) be allowed by ToS

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Well, for RSS it assuredly is, if the media file is exposed there

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ttist25:

ok – got it

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stevieman:

sphery: yah, I've got a budget right now that I have to deal with and since I don't have an HDTV and it's only 4 channels I'm dealing with I'd like to make this work and not spend money :) If I can't make it work then I'll find something more powerful but that means a whole computer, HD, vid, and a new install of Myth :(

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ttist25:

that gives me something to start with – thanks a bunch for the info

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: s/a few/nearly all the/

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sphery:

iamlindoro: ah, ok--as I said, I know very little about it

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sphery:

stevieman: Just adding a VDPAU-capable video card isn't an option? (Though, IMHO, a whole new system may be a better choice.)

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stevieman:

sphery: No alas the best slot on this machine is AGP, my understanding is VDPAU cards or only PCI-E

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stevieman:

sphery: that should read "are only PCI-E "

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sphery:

yeah, I think some are using PCI cards, but to varying levels of success

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sphery:

PCIe is best, but I think you're right--they ignored AGP

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stevieman:

sphery: Of course they did, sometimes I think the universe is out to get me, other time I think it just can't find me :)

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johnnyj:

nice – so I went to fire up Vmware-fusion on my mac and it said I could run my bootcamp partitions as vm's – evidently that's a windows guest only feature

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Shadow__X:

johnnyj: yeah its a nice feature

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johnnyj:

i wouldnt know

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johnnyj:

i'm not running windows in my bootcamp – i guess that breaks this feature

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Shadow__X:

hmm i wonder why you cant run a *nix install through there

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wookey:

hello people, I installed mythtv 0.23 from debian multimedia on a fresh debian lenny base

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wookey:

but mythtv-setup has no fonts – I just get some blank areas

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wookey:

I got kaffeine going so now I have enough for all those fonts and audio and the DVB-T codecs

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wookey:

but mythtv-setup is still bust. If I run it over ssh -X it's still broken on another machine

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wookey:

I must be missing some magic package/rune but I don;t know what, and it suggests that the packaging has a dependency missing

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: FiOS has no more available bandwidth than comcast

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wagnerrp:

they just dont have to share it with analog cable, and cable internet

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Shadow__X:

and are preoccupied with ripping off their customers?

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wagnerrp:

comcast are? of course

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Shadow__X:

yes

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** skd5aner hasn't done the changelog in about 3 weeks, grumble **

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

now you see why it would go largely neglected

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skd5aner:

yea, that being said – neither has anyone else ;)

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skd5aner:

hehe

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skd5aner:

I used to read commits for fun

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skd5aner:

so I didn't have to commit any time when I read through the -commits list. But now I have to read them when I have time to work on the changelog, and the longer I wait, the harder it gets

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skd5aner:

doing it on a daily basis is easy, 1–3 a day max

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skd5aner:

so... back in it I go

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J-e-f-f-A:

HA! "I maintain that it is NOT a coincidence that flash rhymes with both trash and crash"... That Jarod guy is funny, and right!!!! ;-) hehehehe

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gbee:

what's the explanation from the ffmpeg folks for the huge difference in volume of AC3 vs MP2? Why can't the two decoders be brought into line with each other?

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skd5aner:

amen

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: really? so fiber, with a dedicated 2.4Gbps downstream data path and 1.2Gbps upstream data path and a seperate RF path isn't more than just an RF path?

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: as far as cable is concerned, FiOS provides no more bandwidth than any other cable provider

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wagnerrp:

they cant, or else they would break compatibility with standard cable equipment

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: perhaps, but since they don't have to use several channels for DATA, they don't need to re-compress the HD signal.

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wagnerrp:

right, thats what i said

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wagnerrp:

they dont have any more bandwidth available, they just dont have to share it with other services

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Ok. ;-) Well, on the RF side that's true. But having dedicated data bandwidth helps out too.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: and the way the get around the 'standard cable equipment' trick is that their special router connects to both the internet link and your coax link, to provide a network connection over the coax to the STBs.

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J-e-f-f-A:

I guess they're using the latest standard equipment too – the QIP7100 box is a "Hybrid QAM/IP HD M-Card Host Set-Top"... so it's not just QAM. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ah, I guess "MoCA" is a wide standard... so they are pretty standard equipment by today's standards...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ha – in the MoCa white paper – "Its clear that DVR sharing is the primary driver in the strategic move to extend the service network beyond the traditional demarcation point into the home." – They're on to us!!!! ;-) COPYCATS!

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wagnerrp:

replaytv did it first in the 90s

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yeah... I got my first PVR, a Dish "WebTV" receiver in about 1991 – with an 8GB drive, it could store about 3 or 4 hours of video... (It was called a "DishPlayer 7100")

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** J-e-f-f-A never used the WebTV features of it, just used the PVR features... **

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wagnerrp:

surely that wasnt in '91

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J-e-f-f-A:

Oh, you're right... ~2001... duh, 10 years off.

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** J-e-f-f-A <- half asleep today... **

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J-e-f-f-A:

maybe even older... say 1999/2000... i dunno, my brain hurts today... staring at too much code I think @ work...

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Shadow__X:

91 was awesome i dont know what you guys are talking about

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Shadow__X:

aftermarket in car cassette players were like 400 bucks – those were the times

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: They weren't that much! I think you're cofusing Cassette with CD... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

*"confusing" even...

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Shadow__X:

a while ago i saw a brochure for it and it was like 400 cd in car was big back then

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: Right, in-dash CD, not in-dash Cassette... ;-) big difference. in 1988 I had a square, portable CD player that I used via a cassette adapter in my car... with no anti-skip... ;-)

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: i could be off by a few years but i know somewhere around them the aftermarket radios with casette were expensive

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: Now I've got an in-dash DVD player... ;-) Things have changed... Next thing you know, we'll have in-dash BluRay players... [probably already available for all I know!]

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: I had a full-logic Auto-Reverse cassette deck in my Chevelle in 1987 – I don't remember what I paid for it, but I was a poor college kid, so I'm sure it wasn't $400!!!!! ;-)

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Shadow__X:

i personally want indash google maps like audi has

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: hmm yeah i am wrong then

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: I've got that now... although not 'in dash' – on my Droid. ;-)

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah i have it on my droid too but integration (when done right) is nice

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** J-e-f-f-A finds it amazing that the latest cell phones now have HDMI output... crazy!!!! **

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: I had once built a computer system for my car using a Small-Form-Factor pc several years ago... It's pretty amazing to think that my Cell phone now has more than twice the power of that carputer, and is 1/50th the size...

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Shadow__X:

i suppose so but thats what moving foward is all about think about motors in cars now from back in the day sure its still internal combustion but years ago v8's had 175 hp sometimes 200 now you can have that from a puny 4cyl

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: I think the only thing missing from my Droid is a video output... Heck, even Composite video would be fine to be able to play videos back through my a/v system in the truck...

[19:13:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: re: HP – Yeah, but that V8 at 175HP is gonna last a lot longer than that I4 putting out 175hp... And it'll have a lot more low-end torque too. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: And those HP ratings in those days were often low-balled on purpose. ;-)

[19:13:55]

Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: not necessarily

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Shadow__X:

about the torque yeah i agree for the most part but not about it lasting longer

[19:15:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: Case in point: My Chevelle vs a Turbo/Nitrous Honda... He could only keep up with me on the highway with NOS... ;-) Otherwise I was consistenly pulling away from him...

[19:15:16]

Shadow__X:

never compare anything to a turbo/nitrous honda

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Shadow__X:

please

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Shadow__X:

i feel as if you slapped me in the face with the ignorance stick

[19:15:56]

Shadow__X:

thats like saying a paint can beat this shoes it was great

[19:16:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: Why? ;-) On paper, it's got more HP than my normally-aspirated 350 V8. ;-)

[19:16:30]

Shadow__X:

using where i live as a point to relate against they dont build hondas the right way

[19:16:34]

Shadow__X:

and cheap things out

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: Ah... Well, this one was pretty quick, but my V8 prevailed... ;-)

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Shadow__X:

anything can beat anything if you through enough money sure that doesnt make much of a point

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gbee:

guys, #stupidcartalk please

[19:17:29]

Shadow__X:

yes sir

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Shadow__X:

i appologize

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J-e-f-f-A:

sorry gbee...

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whoever:

so anyone know a damn thing about mythroku

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wagnerrp:

doubtful, and please watch the language in this channel

[19:24:11]

whoever:

wagnerrp: sorry , is there anything that might other then at&t uverse

[19:24:29]

wagnerrp:

what are you trying to do?

[19:24:53]

wagnerrp:

it seems mythroku hasnt worked with mythtv in several years

[19:27:02]

whoever:

wagnerrp: i am tring to have a centeral storage for shows recorded from the cable box , the cablebox only stores them localy , no oftion for network

[19:27:04]

dewman:

is that like sudoku for myth?

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wagnerrp:

whoever: so you outright ignore the DVR capabilities of the IPTV box, and use it like a dumb tuner

[19:28:00]

wagnerrp:

capture the output with an analog capture device

[19:28:02]

whoever:

dewman: seems like it .. but its roku(netflcku) for myth

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wagnerrp:

IVTV card or HDPVR

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

[19:29:06]

wagnerrp:

i dont see how anything made by Roku could factor into this

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dewman:

I love that page. I have read that so many times. =)

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whoever:

wagnerrp: but ere come the hard part , th mythbox is in a seperate room and can't go runing a cabl .. 'its unsightull '

[19:30:37]

wagnerrp:

so you put the cable box in the same room as your mythbackend

[19:30:40]

wagnerrp:

problem solved

[19:32:39]

whoever:

wagnerrp: but i that becaue it was a dumb tunner. that the channle had to be physicalu changed on the stb to change the channle

[19:33:18]

wagnerrp:

whoever: thats correct, you use an IR blaster, or some other form of control to have the backend manipulate the IPTV box

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wagnerrp:

you should /never/ be manually controlling a STB that is being used by mythtv

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whoever:

wagnerrp: are the any linku for using irblaster to change the shannle on the stb i i havnn'found any

[19:35:33]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Channel_Change_Scripts

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Using_an_IR_Blaster_with_MythTV

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whoever:

wagnerrp: cool thx

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dewman:

wagnerrp, I found a dual tuner HD home run for $100 on craigslist.... think i might get that and get away from the old framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

note that the HDHR does not support analog

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dewman:

thats right.....dangit...

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whoever:

wagnerrp: to get the stb setup as a dummy tunner : you fech the channels correc, i have never had mck luck with it , myth seems to sit there and listinvs are never plpulated

[19:57:30]

wagnerrp:

you fetch the from your lineup source, schedulesdirect

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wagnerrp:

which means you need to set up a source, and give it the login credentials to your schedulesdirect account

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whoever:

thats what i was getting at and myth appeard to stil just sit there

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt take more than a couple seconds to do

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whoever:

i cahn it fetch (if i reinstall it) and come back 30 minuts later and nothing or if i am luck iget channles that have no signal

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itsmex:

hi

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itsmex:

I just updated from 0.20 to 0.23. So I had to update the database too. but when I´m start the mythtvsetup I don´t see any menu or something... Is this a known issue?

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean?

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wagnerrp:

the window never pops up? the window is blank when it does pop up?

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itsmex:

the window shows a text in a tiny font size in the upper left corner

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itsmex:

nothing else

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itsmex:

an this is so tiny that I can´t read it

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whoever:

wagnerrp: stupid question, timwarner dvr has 2 tunners: so when i record a program i record a program it will record on the timewarner box as well as the mythback end, so is there a scrift ostere that will stop the program from recording on the timewarner dvr so that it will only record on the myth~back end

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wagnerrp:

no idea how to fix that one

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skd5aner:

sphery: ping

[20:12:39]

wagnerrp:

does it actually need to be fixed?

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whoever:

or do i need to write a cript that will cancel the Tw recording in the tw dvr

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wagnerrp:

if youre never going to use it as a DVR, what does it matter

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whoever:

wagnerrp: no , its estetics

[20:13:12]

wagnerrp:

and i thought you said you had uverse IPTV

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whoever:

wa there ara 2 tuners inside and if the internal hd fills up one tuner will not work

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wagnerrp:

who cares, you will only be able to use one of the tuners with mythtv anyway

[20:14:31]

wagnerrp:

see if you can swap it for a cheaper, dvr-less model

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skd5aner:

+1

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whoever:

wagnerrp: i said i was trying to enulate at%t uverse central storage/access point but i have timewarner

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whoever:

wa ok, so do i need a capture card for each stb or can i dazzy chane several stb's to a single capture card

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wagnerrp:

one capture card per simultaneous recording

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wagnerrp:

not sure how you would daisy chain multiple stbs

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whoever:

since the capture card is just a pass through

[20:18:02]

smithzv:

I am a little confused on how to set up Myth video sources. I am recording off Comcast with one analog tuner hooked up to a DTA also using the firewire interface on the digital STB. For scheduling purposes, I would like Myth to understand that channel 32 on the DTA is the same as 32 coming from the firewire, but channel 652 is only available for the firewire input. Should I have 2 video sources or 1?

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J-e-f-f-A:

whoever: eh? it's not a scsi bus...

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wagnerrp:

smithzv: two separate sources

[20:18:44]

wagnerrp:

each source should only contain those channels that the connected capture devices can access

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whoever:

J-e-f-f-A: ya but thaught i't though it out there,

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wagnerrp:

for scheduling purposes, it shouldnt make any difference

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wagnerrp:

since you shouldnt be using 'record on this channel' rules anyway

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smithzv:

wagnerrp: Hmmm... okay, I think I see

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Shadow__X:

whoever: you need 2 video sources one for the analog one for the stb

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J-e-f-f-A:

whoever: The capture card turns the analog input into a digital representation of it. If you've got a hardware encoder (such as an Hauppauge PVR-150), then it's encoded into MPEG, otherwise it's just raw video frames which the system then has to compress itself.

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J-e-f-f-A:

whoever: You could get a PVR-500 card, which has to independent tuners/encoders – it's basically two PVR-150s on one card, occupying one PCI slot instead of two.

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cookie123:

Hi all. For a non-vdpau setup anyone got an opinion on the best interlace options for HD, BBC?

[20:22:06]

whoever:

Shadow__X: how to i need 2 sources , 1 for analog and 1 1for stb, the stb does local cannels as well. or an i missing somthing

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wagnerrp:

whoever: if you are recording analog cable with an analog tuner, then yes, you need two sources

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whoever:

wagnerrp: all i have is hd boxes

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J-e-f-f-A:

whoever: That's a whole different ballgame...

[20:24:21]

whoever:

son of a...

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J-e-f-f-A:

whoever: I have two HD boxes and capture HD output from them via a pair of HD-PVRs http://mythtv.org/wiki/HDPVR — but if you're lucky enough, you can get some stuff with clear QAM or Firewire...

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whoever:

J-e-f-f-A: whats different . and to claify on the boxes they oupup ch 1–1xxx

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whoever:

so there is an hd and non-hd eqigelant

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J-e-f-f-A:

whoever: do you want to capture in HD? ie: 720p/1080i?

[20:27:36]

** dustybin records the Moat siege **

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whoever:

J-e-f-f-A: i am tring to emylate at&t uverse concept of a central storage place so it could the eithe hdor non hd

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J-e-f-f-A:

whoever: Well, I'm not familar with uverse – but that's what myth can do – record on a backend, and play back that content on any myth frontend on the network.

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J-e-f-f-A:

whoever: I have two HD STB's and 4 OTA HD tuners, so I can record two HD channels off of cable at once, and 4 OTA HD channels. And can watch anything that has previously recorded, or is currently recording, on any of the 4 frontends...

[20:31:00]

skd5aner:

Anyone looking for a wife?

[20:31:07]

skd5aner:

you might want to check out #8644

[20:31:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

skd5aner: I could also offer mine up...

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J-e-f-f-A:

who

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skd5aner:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

whoever: MythTV can do what you want, but you'll have to spend $$$ — it's not the cheap option, more of the luxury option, but the possibilities are endless...

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skd5aner:

well... they aren't "endless"... :P

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J-e-f-f-A:

whoever: and no monthly DVR fees to the cable company...

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whoever:

J-e-f-f-A: so the hauppage 1600 card is useless for this ? and i should use an hdpgr

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skd5aner:

Otherwise there wouldn't be a feature request list on the wiki that's a dozen pages long ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

skd5aner: ^^ sure they are... it's open-source, you can make it do whatever you want!!!! ;-)

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whoever:

J-e-f-f-A: what do yo think about the hdpurry

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skd5aner:

I can't make it do crap... haha

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whoever:

&hdfurry

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skd5aner:

To me, unless someone else does the work, it's only slightly more extensible in my hands as a Tivo (Don't confuse that to mean that it doesn't do a ton of stuff already the Tivo can't/won't do) ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

whoever: the 1600 is a Hybrid Digital/analog card IIRC, it's got a Digital tuner that can do Clear QAM (Cable) and ATSC (Over-the-Air), as well as an analog tuner with a hardware MPEG2 encoder. It's a good card, and might be useful for you.

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skd5aner:

but, that's more of a diss on me than on MythTV

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whoever:

J-e-f-f-A: yes i am aware that it is a hybrid card all i hage is pci no pci-e slots? i don't see how many turnners the hd-pvr has ?

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Shadow__X:

1

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J-e-f-f-A:

whoever: the HD-PVR is a USB HD capture device – only one source.

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wagnerrp:

the 1600 is NOT a hybrid tuner

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wagnerrp:

it is a dual tuner

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wagnerrp:

one analog, one digital, completely separate

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J-e-f-f-A:

whoever: so I have two HD boxes from Verizion, and one HD-PVR on each of them...

[20:39:52]

whoever:

J-e-f-f-A: you said you had 2 hd pvr, so how do you get 4 recorddeings simultainiously?

[20:39:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

^ oops, wagnerrp is right. ;-)

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wagnerrp:

a hybrid tuner is where one tuner will handle multiple formats

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wagnerrp:

but can only do one at a time

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whoever:

J-e-f-f-A: aor i misssed the shbu

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whoever:

*stbs

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wagnerrp:

whoever: he probably has other tuners besides those HDPVRs

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J-e-f-f-A:

whoever: I have two HD STB from Verizon, that give me HD off cable. And I have two HD-HomeRun network tuners that give me Over-the-air HD (4 tuners total [2 each])

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whoever:

wagnerrp: correct

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wagnerrp:

technically, the HDPVR has /no/ tuners

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wagnerrp:

it is capture only

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J-e-f-f-A:

... maybe we need some pretty drawings on the wiki... oh wait, there are some already, right? ;-)

[20:44:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

whoever: have you seen the executive overview: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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whoever:

J-e-f-f-A: mabe if some of them contain hot chicks with big tits , the'll be easier to follow :-)

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Shadow__X:

can you try to objectify any more please

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whoever:

Shadow__X: i am to please ... where should i start :-)

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whoever:

J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp thx

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Shadow__X:

i am sure you meant aim and sure go stand in front of a womans rights activist i am sure thatll be pleasent

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whoever:

sure, ill stand in front of peta all day long :-)

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whoever:

Shadow__X: and .. yes yes, I know P.E.T.A. feople for extreemly tasty animlz

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wagnerrp:

s/extremely/eating/

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skd5aner:

what is libmythdvdnav synced from?

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skd5aner:

r25277

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whoever:

wa :-)

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gbee:

libdvdnav not surprisingly

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skd5aner:

whoever: do you speak English as a second language?

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gbee:

although with a number of local modifications

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skd5aner:

gbee: just checking, thanks

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skd5aner:

maybe if I would have read more than a line into the commit ;)

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whoever:

skd5aner: i type 6uerty as a second

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skd5aner:

whoever: to each their own, but it's not extremely pleasing or easy to try and read what you type

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gbee:

skd5aner: ah, that commit is for libmythbdnav, which is synced from libbluray (used to be libbdnav)

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gbee:

it was renamed yesterday to libmythbluray

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skd5aner:

ah, haven't got that far yet.. thanks

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skd5aner:

also, I misread it as libdvdnav myself so thanks

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: dont bother with any of the python stuff, im cleaning up that section

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skd5aner:

on the changelog?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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whoever:

skd5aner: sorry

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gbee:

skd5aner: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/25298

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skd5aner:

Well – I might have so stuff I'm editing now, I won't take it out, but I'll keep that in mind after I submit this batch of changes to the wiki

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wagnerrp:

as long as we dont overlap, it should merge in properly

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skd5aner:

Let me click submit now...

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I think I added 1 bullet point, refresh to see (or click preview changes if you are editing)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, did so... thansk

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: feel free to keep me honest with any of the python stuff. I try to keep it high level enough that a user and/or someone who wants to leverage the python hooks could learn what's new, but keep out the gorey details

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skd5aner:

but you're the man in that area, so have at it :)

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wagnerrp:

thats the plan

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whoever:

skd5aner: i'm lost python , gory details ? , whats gorry

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wagnerrp:

hes been editing the release notes on the wiki, and didnt want to be too verbose on changes ive made that dont have much visible effect

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k-man:

in mythtv-setup, where is the option to allow remote frontends to connect to the backend?

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wagnerrp:

'Master/Local Backend IP'

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k-man:

wagnerrp: oh, so i set the master ip to something?

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k-man:

othert than 12

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wagnerrp:

127.... yes

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k-man:

thanks

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k-man:

thanks wagnerrp, got it working now

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clever:

for the master, the masterip and localip must match exactly

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clever:

it just does a dumb string compare to test if its the master

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skd5aner:

yay, changelog is caught up

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skd5aner:

that's a relief

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k-man:

can normal users edit the homepage of the mythtv wiki?

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k-man:

there is a broken link on the home page of the wiki – "Check out SVN for development of 0.24 and the 0.23-fixes branch." the 0.23-fixes link links to a deleted page

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k-man:

i don't think i can fix it, anyone here have rights to fix that?

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wagnerrp:

"fixed"

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wagnerrp:

for what little good it did

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k-man:

wagnerrp: thanks :)

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k-man:

just keeps the homepage up to date i guss

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k-man:

guess

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dewman:

wagnerrp, you think a geforce 5700le 256mb /pci would be any better then my intel onboard video?

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dewman:

since I pipe out directly to the tv via the vga port, figure anything should be a little better...

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: want to make another minor tweak to the front wiki page?

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k-man:

how do you turn off all transcoding?

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skd5aner:

We created a "current version" template, so if you wanted to change the top of the front page so that the current release is always dynamically updated, you could use: {{CurrentRelease}}

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... anyone know init scripts? Why does mythbackend refuse to do channel changes if I start it with this init.d script? http://mythtv.pastebin.com/a0Kvn73R

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J-e-f-f-A:

I am on Fedora Core 13, and have created a 'video' group and the mythtv user is a member of it...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Channel changing works fine if mythbackend is run from a shell logged on as mythtv...

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sphery:

skd5aner: still here?

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k-man:

why is the timestretch setting in playback groups set as speed x 100 but as speed from the osd during playback? (ie different scales for the same setting in different places)

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k-man:

anyway, it seems odd to me to use a different scale for the same setting

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: i dont have wiki opts rights... i just redirected the dead link to the proper page

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: were you referring to the http://mythtv.org/wiki/Current_Version page?

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wagnerrp:

dewman: i would not bother with a GF5700

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wagnerrp:

i would either stick with the intel, or upgrade the whole system

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wagnerrp:

i definitely would not pay any money for a 5700

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Brik1:

hey, question about album art for CD rips. What do I need to check if it doesnt show?

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Brik1:

mythbuntu, myth 2.3

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Brik1:

new install

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wagnerrp:

2.3?

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Brik8:

Sorry dropped, any answer to why no album arr for cd rip in mythtv 2.3?

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wagnerrp:

2.3?

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iamlindoro:

2.3?

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** iamlindoro primes the time machine **

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Brik8:

sorry 0.23 mythtv

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J-e-f-f-A:

Oh, Myth 2023... ;-)

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Brik8:

my fat fingers again

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wagnerrp:

the whales are too heavy captain, we wont make it

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wagnerrp:

shes breaking up

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Brik8:

lol

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Brik8:

what should I check for?

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iamlindoro:

would help to know what it is you expect

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iamlindoro:

if you are expecting some sort of album art download, then that isn't going to happen

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wagnerrp:

mythmusic doesnt have any mechanism to pull album art does it?

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iamlindoro:

not presently

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wagnerrp:

i didnt think so

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iamlindoro:

though it's just a compatible metadata script (and an hour or so's work adding the generic metadata classes) from having it

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iamlindoro:

that said, I don't volunteer :)

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

not sure if any patches would even be accepted at the moment

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Brik8:

hmmm, I thought it did. maybe i saw it on xbmc, what about vizualizations? I get a ? in the middle of screen, have selected album art.

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wagnerrp:

paul has been pretty quiet about the rewrite

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wagnerrp:

who knows how much of the old codebase is still around

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iamlindoro:

lots still AFAICT

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iamlindoro:

at least, in committed form

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wagnerrp:

right, there hasnt been much in committed form

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wagnerrp:

oh, he did do a series of patches a couple months ago

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Brik8:

that sux album are isnt a default thing. If it were it would be really really cool

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iamlindoro:

also, ponies

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wagnerrp:

any idea of where we could get album art?

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wagnerrp:

(legally in following the site's TOS)

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wagnerrp:

*and

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wagnerrp:

musicbrainz only seems to do metadata, not artwork

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Brik8:

somone must have some ideas, there is an "albumart" vizualization in myth .23 I read it scans a folder for images.

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iamlindoro:

That doesn't mean there's a place that aggregates the album art

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iamlindoro:

at least, lawfully

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Brik8:

some googling turned up some people talking about a script that scraped amazon or something but its broken

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wagnerrp:

i wonder what wikipedia's scraping rules are

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iamlindoro:

illegal

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iamlindoro:

Scraping amazon, that is

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Brik8:

scraping iTunes would be more fun!

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wagnerrp:

(and illegal)

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iamlindoro:

and just as unacceptable

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Brik8:

;)

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Brik8:

imdb?

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iamlindoro:

Brik8, It's not cute

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wagnerrp:

illegal

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iamlindoro:

we don't accept any form of ToS violation here

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wagnerrp:

and they dont have music anyway

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Brik8:

i dont have the skills to script someting like that, just looking to setup my mythbox

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Brik8:

not looking to violate any tos

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Brik8:

i do a podcast and embed album art in id3 tags for each show

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