Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, July 7th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

other than animation and other flash

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Brik1:

lol, i need more time with it. I just havent had the wow factor like I have when watching demos of xbmc

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Beirdo:

buh

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wagnerrp:

well im sure iamlindoro would put together a similar 'wow' video with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

but a video doesnt make either a good user experience

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wagnerrp:

s/would/could

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Beirdo:

just like trailers don't make a good moview

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Beirdo:

s/w$//

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Beirdo:

sed FTW

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Brik1:

i'll hold my tounge until I get more time with it. I just got my channels and guide listings correct. It only took me about 6 hours of effen around.

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Brik1:

off to the other room to play, thanks all

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wagnerrp:

the setup is a known usability issue

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wagnerrp:

but youve got to trade off ease for configurablility

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Beirdo:

as always... tradeoffs

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

any every time we try to remove anything to make things simpler, the non-contributing users come out of the wood works with their antiquated systems complaining why they need feature X or option Y

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wagnerrp:

clever: the bigger issue with embedding mysql is that the database would now be under the control of mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

and when you have control over all access to the database

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wagnerrp:

theres a lot of stuff you can now do so far as maintenance and recovery

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wagnerrp:

as it stands, mythtv is just one more user of the mysql server

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wagnerrp:

doesnt mythgallery always run in 'browse' mode?

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wagnerrp:

there are no database tables that it scans to are there?

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, you could easily lock the db safely and backup the entire thing with little fuss

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wagnerrp:

that all falls apart if the database crashes

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clever:

automatic incremental backups could help with recovery

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clever:

though depending on the cause, it could go down the exact same code-path and just crash again

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dmz:

quick question; where does myth save the background pictures used in theme view of recordings (ie each show has it's own background image)? one is corrupt & I need to remove it

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wagnerrp:

wherever you told it to store background pictures in mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

recordings down actually support artwork

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wagnerrp:

specific themes pull artwork from where it expects it might be through mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

s/down/dont/

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dmz:

ah, no wonder i couldn't find it, i wasn't expecting it in mythvideo

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MaverickTech:

speaking of mythvideo, I have problem with mythvideo on MythWeb

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MaverickTech:

I am using storage groups now, on 0–23, but if I go more than 2 directories deep in the tree, then the URL's are messed up

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MaverickTech:

e.g. >> http://blahblah/mythwebx/video?path=%2FSeries . . . ticaSeason+4

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MaverickTech:

there should be a %2F between +Galactica and Season+4 :(

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wagnerrp:

urls?

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wagnerrp:

oh, mythweb

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wagnerrp:

right, mythweb is a bit borked as far as mythvideo goes

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MaverickTech:

yah :)

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MaverickTech:

not losing any sleep over it, I can repair them manually if I am trying to do something on myhtweb

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simcop2387-lap:

anyone know if an hdhomerun can capture multiple channels that are on the same "frequency" (e.g. they're all subchannels as some places call them)

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simcop2387-lap:

and how many it can do

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dmz:

hmm, if my settings for directories that hold movie posters / screenshots / banners is all blank where would it dump them?

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wagnerrp:

why do you expect to dump them in there?

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wagnerrp:

s/why/what/

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dmz:

i'm trying to find where my frontend is storing the recordings background images; i have one that's corrupt & need to reget it

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wagnerrp:

clear your theme cache

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wagnerrp:

~/.mythtv/themecache

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wagnerrp:

just delete it

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dmz:

got it, thanks

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dmz:

it's the fanart

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dmz:

l

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wagnerrp:

some people dont seem to understand the phrase "the cat's out of the bag"

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Captain_Murdoch:

simcop2387, yes, mythtv supports that, search for 'multirec'. I record multiple programs off a single clear-QAM frequency on my cable using my HDHR.

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wagnerrp:

that got added for DVB cards in 0.20.0? and for the HDHR in 0.22

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[R]:

SWEET

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[R]:

when did trac become a mail order bridge catalog?

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wagnerrp:

?

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[R]:

did you not see 8644 when it went on the mailing list?

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[R]:

#8644: Girls for marriage

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wagnerrp:

i recall someone saying that phrase, but had no idea what they were talking about

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wagnerrp:

seem to have missed that email

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[R]:

4:11am pst this morning

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wagnerrp:

i seem to be missing a lot of email from the mailing list

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wagnerrp:

not sure whats causing it

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simcop2387-lap:

Captain_Murdoch: any idea how many they usually support that way?

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Captain_Murdoch:

theoretically as many as your cable operator or TV station crams into one frequency.

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Captain_Murdoch:

I think there might be a hard-set limit on the setting,but I can't recall what. might be 6 or something, but I really don't recall.

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wagnerrp:

5 last i heard

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simcop2387-lap:

Captain_Murdoch: i'm setting up a neat setup, comcast has a channel on my unsubscribed cable that has SD versions of all the local networks, so i'm using one tuner hooked up to that, and one to an antenna for HD (which isn't a big deal for me, i need to upgrade things to play that back properly anyway), so i'm going to now be able to record all the networks at once if needed :)

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wagnerrp:

arbitrarily set in mythtv, due to hardware limitations of the filters on many tuner cards, and the inability of the scheduler to scale to dozens of tuners

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simcop2387-lap:

with this i'll have 8!

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simcop2387-lap:

i'll theoretically be able to record 8 things at once

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simcop2387-lap:

but only if they're all on JUST the right configuration

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[R]:

theres 8 good things on at the tsame time?

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simcop2387-lap:

dunno

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simcop2387-lap:

hmm now its all the guide data

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high-rez:

What's the best way to play adobe flash from inside of myth? If I install adobe flash player will it work with mythweb ?

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wagnerrp:

what good would mythweb do?

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wagnerrp:

and how would you install the flash player on a web server?

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: Its a livetv stream embedded on a web page.

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high-rez:

(foreign language for my wifes relatives who are here at the moment : -)

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wagnerrp:

when it comes to flash, the best move is not to play

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wagnerrp:

besides that, you can use mythbrowser

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wagnerrp:

and depending on the content, mythnetvision

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high-rez:

Is there a way to verify it'll play in netvision? I'm looking at the page soruce at the moment.

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wagnerrp:

MNV just pulls up pages in mythbrowser

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wagnerrp:

and unless youve got an RSS feed, or want to write your own grabber

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high-rez:

I just have one static link that I want it to pull :)

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wagnerrp:

the best option is to just add the link to mythbrowser

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wagnerrp:

and open it that way

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high-rez:

Alrighty. I'll give it a try. I thought I remembered a long time ago flash was playing in mythweb for me, but for some reason right now its not :/

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high-rez:

(cnn.com at least)

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high-rez:

will have to play with it I guess.

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high-rez:

I shouldn't have any ptroblems with 10.1 no ?

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Beirdo:

I need a mythbeer

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wagnerrp:

adobe has never really released a stabile version of flash for linux

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wagnerrp:

s/for linux//

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simcop2387-lap:

they've released reasonable beta quality versions occasionally

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simcop2387-lap:

those are usually phased out quickly

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high-rez:

s/for linux/for any platform/g

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wagnerrp:

they release garbage

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wagnerrp:

i havent had a browser crash in the last several years that i havent traced back to some site running flash

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wagnerrp:

its astounding how much more stable firefox is with some form of flash blocker (or flash simply not installed)

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[R]:

the new firefox is supposed to run them in a separate little dealy though

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wagnerrp:

that just means ive got a separate process to kill, and then refresh the pages to restart it

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Beirdo:

this Futurama is SUCH a keeper

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Beirdo:

dissing the iPhone and Apple... FTW

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simcop2387-lap:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hey Beirdo... I'm getting "disabling MythWeather; missing DateTime::Format::ISO8601" – even though the module is installed... /me is confused...

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Beirdo:

that reminds me... gotta charge my 3G

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Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A: ummm, you sure?

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J-e-f-f-A:

I just installed it via CPAN, yeah...

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Beirdo:

do: perl -MDateTime::Format::ISO8601 -e 0

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Beirdo:

does that give error?

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high-rez:

ABGP has made firefox a fantastic experience.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Ugh, maybe it didn't install due to some dependency... I answered a bunch of questions with "yes", but just did the install again, and it's prompting me to install dependencies again... ugh...

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high-rez:

s/ABGP/ABP

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Beirdo:

oh

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Beirdo:

that would do it

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Beirdo:

the check that configure does is tries to use ${LIBRARYNAME}

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Beirdo:

so... perl didn't think it was installed :)

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Beirdo:

and that's no surprise if it failed install :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Yeah... "Can't locate DateTime/Format/ISO8601.pm in @INC".... ugh...

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Beirdo:

right

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** J-e-f-f-A shakes his fist at CPAN and hopes it behaves this time... ;-) **

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Beirdo:

"these eyePhones are phones too!"

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Beirdo:

dissing Twitter pretty hard too

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Ok it worked the 2nd time around.... Is that normal??? (ie CPAN not really installing a module...)

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simcop2387-lap:

and soon a uk citizen!

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Beirdo:

not what I normally have seen, no

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J-e-f-f-A:

Because this is the 2nd or 3rd system that has given me headaches about installing perl modules... but this time it worked the 2nd time around...

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Beirdo:

weird

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simcop2387-lap:

J-e-f-f-A: that is weird, if you ever run into more trouble with it, try us in #perl there ought to be someone who can help you figure it out

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simcop2387-lap:

either me or any of the other 500 people in there

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Beirdo:

unless you mistakenly said not to install a dependency, of course

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: The only thing I did differently the 2nd time around was typed "yes" to all the prompts, intstead of letting it default and press 'enter'...

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Beirdo:

hehe, odd

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J-e-f-f-A:

simcop2387-lap: Thanks btw... ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A thinks he may finally have his systems all up 99% ... just have to re-do my mythweather screens now... ;-) **

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TUplink:

im getting this error when trying to download video info from TMDB 2010-07–06 23:16:20.513 Fanart download finished: Tried to write myth://Videos@192.168.15.240:6543/1824_fanart.jpg, but it appears to be an HTML redirect (filesize 220). 1 any idea what it means?

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TUplink:

like maybe what folder on the backend it would be trying to write to?

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momelod:

greetings channel.

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wagnerrp:

it means mythvideo needs some fixin' due to changes by themoviedb.org

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TUplink:

ok....

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TUplink:

not a backend issue then?

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momelod:

quick question. how to i tag videos for archiving? when i go to add videos to the archive none of my videos show up in the list of files to archive.

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wagnerrp:

the archive? meaning mytharchive?

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momelod:

wagnerrp, precisely

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wagnerrp:

never used it

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momelod:

u should, its an awesome feature

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momelod:

i've used it before.. but its been so long... :)

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momelod:

easiest way i've found to date to convert multiple vids w/ different sources to a standard dvd

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wagnerrp:

never found a need to do so

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momelod:

for the life of me tho i can not remember how i did it :D

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momelod:

wagnerrp, proof of good software.. u never use it to its full abilities :)

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wagnerrp:

isnt that usually called 'bloat'?

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wagnerrp:

nah, i wont call mytharchive bloat...

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wagnerrp:

it only makes sense that mythtv be able to burn stuff to dvds

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wagnerrp:

just never personally had a reason to do so

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momelod:

i suppose if it ran things in the background that eat up memory it would be concidered bloatware. but if the option is there for advanced functionality with no impact on performance if u dont use that feature... u cant call it bloatware

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wagnerrp:

its called 'feature bloat'

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momelod:

its called whip cream

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wagnerrp:

its when you have features that none of the active developers have reason to use

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wagnerrp:

so it stagnates, and stops functioning

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wagnerrp:

or otherwise eats up time that could be spent elsewhere

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momelod:

but its modular.. so i have to disagree

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momelod:

regardless, its excellent software in it's current state. unfortunately the documentation isn't available for those of us 'end users' to be able to use it :)

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wagnerrp:

my biggest complaint about both mytharchive and mtd is that theyre not run through the jobqueue

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wagnerrp:

on the other hand, the jobqueue would really need to be expanded and generalized to support them

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momelod:

agreed, but as i said im an end user and "beggers cant be choosers" so im just happy it works at all

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momelod:

..if i could only remember how :)

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** Beirdo burps **

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wagnerrp:

speaking of which, ive got a task open to work on that

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wagnerrp:

i should probably bump it to 0.25, and start working on it

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wagnerrp:

if i wait too long, Capt'M will get through his current todo list and snag it for himself

[03:40:25]

Beirdo:

hehe

[03:40:34]

Beirdo:

oh we can try to keep him occupied

[03:40:58]

momelod:

kudos

[03:41:02]

momelod:

i love the software

[03:41:09]

momelod:

u developers kick ars

[03:41:15]

momelod:

just wish i could contrib

[03:41:17]

Beirdo:

only each others'

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wagnerrp:

why cant you?

[03:41:47]

momelod:

i cant even figure out how to add a video file to an archive...

[03:42:27]

Beirdo:

you'll get there

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momelod:

thanx Beirdo

[03:42:38]

** wagnerrp got commit access by rewriting a chunk of code sufficiently large that no one else wanted to maintain it **

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Beirdo:

heh

[03:43:31]

** momelod is a bottom feeder **

[03:43:31]

Beirdo:

and trust me, there are more of those

[03:43:47]

wagnerrp:

although what i wrote at the time was crap, and ive replaced about half of it in the past couple months

[03:44:12]

Beirdo:

hehe

[03:44:29]

wagnerrp:

but hey, its a learning experience

[03:44:41]

momelod:

if it works it aint crap

[03:44:51]

momelod:

gimme commit access, ill show u crap :D

[03:44:55]

wagnerrp:

no, it was crap

[03:45:08]

wagnerrp:

but thats what you get with no real formal training or experience

[03:45:45]

Beirdo:

ohh, we've seen crap

[03:46:02]

wagnerrp:

my 'intro to c++' was little more than some hello world and basic terminal IO

[03:46:05]

Beirdo:

I get to see a bunch of it at work...

[03:46:29]

Beirdo:

and ou shoulda seen the crap at my former employer... and the one before that

[03:46:46]

momelod:

is all this crap keeping myth from releasing 1.0? i've been using it for like 3 years..

[03:46:49]

Beirdo:

and people got PAID to write that crap

[03:46:54]

momelod:

maybe u guys have way too high standards

[03:47:04]

wagnerrp:

no, mythtv is keeping mythtv from releasing to 1.0

[03:47:19]

Beirdo:

hehe

[03:47:27]

momelod:

perfectionists :)

[03:47:28]

[R]:

whats this obsession with version numbers

[03:47:33]

wagnerrp:

its still in active flux after 9yrs

[03:47:34]

[R]:

just drop the 0.

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[R]:

and call it version 24

[03:47:40]

wagnerrp:

if you want, do what [R] just said

[03:48:13]

[R]:

thats what i do IRL

[03:48:25]

momelod:

i was only trying to point out the very high standards of the development team.. sorry if it didnt come across that way

[03:48:42]

wagnerrp:

no, its nothing to do with high standards

[03:48:47]

Beirdo:

we should jump from 0.xx to 3.0 just to mess up the packagers

[03:48:48]

Beirdo:

especially the ones that presume to know our next version number

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high-rez:

Hmmf, is there a reasonable opensource replacement for adobe's flash ?

[03:48:54]

wagnerrp:

just lack of motivation to release it as such

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[R]:

high-rez: define "reasonable"

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high-rez:

'works a little bit'

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[R]:

does a little bit include youtube?

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high-rez:

(which is more than flash is really working for me right now)

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high-rez:

yeah

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[R]:

then no

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high-rez:

oh and works with mythbrowser

[03:49:43]

momelod:

i thought utube wasnt flash anymore? h232

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high-rez:

god i can't wait for html5 to kill flash

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[R]:

momelod: you mean h264? thats a codec... not a method for displaying video

[03:50:02]

wagnerrp:

it will never kill flash

[03:50:05]

momelod:

u and steve jobs :)

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Beirdo:

kill steve jobs?

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momelod:

[R], i stand corrected

[03:50:29]

Beirdo:

that would solve some marketing issues

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: Hey man, i can believe there is a god all I want even if the evidence says otherwise!

[03:50:39]

momelod:

no, steve jobs is also waiting for flash to die

[03:50:53]

wagnerrp:

high-rez: the html spec group would never support any form of DRM on content

[03:51:05]

Beirdo:

yeah, so my iPhone won't suck so bad as a web browser

[03:51:16]

wagnerrp:

which means there will always be a nitch for flash, or some other form of plugin that does support DRM

[03:51:31]

wagnerrp:

at least until DRM dies a slow, horrifyingly painful death

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[R]:

people will always need control

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wagnerrp:

no, people will always want control

[03:52:20]

wagnerrp:

theres no reason they should have that control

[03:53:26]

** momelod tried to control his bladder **

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wagnerrp:

of course i could be considered prejudice

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wagnerrp:

i do see a need for license control (DRM) on high end software

[03:54:54]

wagnerrp:

well great, now my whole world outlook is shot....

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[R]:

omg i hate license control

[03:55:14]

[R]:

flexlm is the bane of my existance

[03:55:19]

wagnerrp:

hehe

[03:55:27]

wagnerrp:

luckily all you have to do is change the MAC address

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[R]:

floating license!

[03:55:51]

[R]:

i got a floating license for Codewarrior

[03:55:57]

[R]:

and i ran the license server on my desktop

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wagnerrp:

the program not releasing the licenses after you close it or something?

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[R]:

yeah

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[R]:

i would have to keep restarting the server

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wagnerrp:

heh

[03:56:40]

** momelod spoofs **

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[R]:

i would run it on my desktop to do main development... and then on a computer in the lab when i was debugging

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wagnerrp:

we were trying to run a license manager on our master server, which was using quad bonded gige

[03:57:20]

wagnerrp:

well whenever we restarted the machine, the ordering of the NICs would get shuffled around

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wagnerrp:

so the MAC of eth0 would change

[03:57:33]

wagnerrp:

and the license server would refuse to run

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[R]:

thats what udev is for

[03:58:41]

wagnerrp:

we just moved it over to another box and had the license reissued

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[R]:

lol

[03:59:55]

wagnerrp:

you want to know what continues to drive processor development? software licenses

[04:00:04]

[R]:

haha

[04:00:13]

wagnerrp:

im serious

[04:00:36]

wagnerrp:

if you werent limited in licenses, you would just gang thousands of machines in a cluster to get the performance you need

[04:00:43]

wagnerrp:

low end hardware is cheap, power is cheap

[04:01:13]

wagnerrp:

but when youre paying several grand per instance, its cost effective to buy that ridiculously expensive high clock rate chip

[04:08:46]

oobe:

not for office's and end users though

[04:09:11]

oobe:

i mean home users

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wagnerrp:

im referring to high end, high performance, professional software

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wagnerrp:

mainly parallel computational solvers

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wagnerrp:

batteries not included.... http://gizmodo.com/5580968

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tank-man:

what does it mean when the light bulb burns out?

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wagnerrp:

youre going to hell?

[04:42:40]

XChatMav:

you go to hell

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oobe:

http://lolmedia.org/2010/04/28/most-fool-proof-prank-ever/

[04:42:48]

XChatMav:

:p

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wagnerrp:

woo! beirdo says i win

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Beirdo:

huh? :)

[04:44:58]

wagnerrp:

your logs say i said it first

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Beirdo:

oh

[04:45:06]

** wagnerrp wins **

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Beirdo:

hhe

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Beirdo:

If I'm not mistaken, I've found a show with Surround...

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Beirdo:

NCIS :)

[05:23:31]

wagnerrp:

its 2.0 around here

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Beirdo:

well, 2.0 with surround sound encoded

[05:24:18]

Beirdo:

definite use of the rear speakers

[05:24:40]

** Beirdo grumbles again about myth not using the sub **

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Beirdo:

well, not much

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Hilikus:

hey guys

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Beirdo:

it IS vibrating thouhg

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Beirdo:

7M/800k just ain't enough

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wagnerrp:

you should siphon it from kormoc, hes got plenty for half the people in here... :)

[05:38:17]

Beirdo:

heh

[05:38:30]

Beirdo:

I think he has the same home connection as I do

[05:38:34]

Beirdo:

heh

[05:38:59]

Beirdo:

I want an OC3 all for me

[05:39:01]

wagnerrp:

nah, he said he has some condo-internet

[05:39:05]

Beirdo:

who wants to pay for it?

[05:39:06]

wagnerrp:

100Mb synchronous

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

NCIS FTW

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Beirdo:

yay

[06:47:18]

Beirdo:

Johan Santana finally produced

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wagnerrp:

Johan? i thought it was Carlos

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Beirdo:

WHAP

[06:50:30]

Beirdo:

the Mets pitcher, silly

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Beirdo:

complete game shutout

[06:50:49]

Beirdo:

against.... the Reds

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Beirdo:

heh

[06:51:20]

Beirdo:

and Sabathia did OK too...

[06:51:48]

Beirdo:

both NYC teams won, both pitchers on my fantasy staff :)

[06:51:51]

Beirdo:

muhaha

[06:51:59]

wagnerrp:

he must have used black magic...

[06:52:03]

wagnerrp:

... woman

[06:52:03]

Beirdo:

hehe

[06:52:05]

wagnerrp:

....

[06:52:11]

Beirdo:

wrong Santana :)

[06:52:16]

Beirdo:

Carlos is Mexican

[06:52:28]

Beirdo:

Johan is Venezuelan (IIRC)

[06:52:29]

Beirdo:

heh

[06:52:53]

Beirdo:

probably have to back to the conquistadors to find a common ancestor

[06:53:18]

Beirdo:

or to Noah

[06:53:19]

Beirdo:

heh

[06:54:35]

Beirdo:

I think I might drop Cordero at the end of the season

[06:54:57]

Beirdo:

not getting me any saves cuz the Reds can't win, it seems.

[06:55:14]

Beirdo:

Although Soria gets lots with KC... and they suck worse

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justinh:

would love to know what this bpywea.exe is which 'has generated errors & will be closed'

[07:12:50]

justinh:

google returns nada. I suspect something viral

[07:13:17]

wagnerrp:

sounds likely, some randomly generated name

[07:13:31]

justinh:

always the same. been bugging me a couple of days

[07:13:41]

Beirdo:

time for some anti-viral meds

[07:14:03]

justinh:

we've got some mcafee thing here

[07:14:05]

Beirdo:

hmm.

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** Beirdo considers the idea of making mythgallery use storage groups **

[07:16:24]

Beirdo:

joinin the party, as it were

[07:16:41]

wagnerrp:

may want to wait until MFSW goes in

[07:16:49]

Beirdo:

NSFW?

[07:16:50]

Beirdo:

hehe

[07:16:55]

justinh:

mfsw?

[07:17:03]

wagnerrp:

myth file system watcher

[07:17:06]

justinh:

ah

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Beirdo:

hmph

[07:17:16]

Beirdo:

when is that going in?

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wagnerrp:

supposed to replace the current storage group scan with a caching one

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Beirdo:

approximation of ETA of course...

[07:17:55]

Beirdo:

we talking days, weeks, months?

[07:18:19]

justinh:

I think the time has definitely come to turn off forwarding info@domain emails to my own account

[07:18:49]

justinh:

stupid impatient emailers. they send an enquiry out one day, and re-send it the next day

[07:19:01]

Beirdo:

put in a vacation notice

[07:19:04]

wagnerrp:

days to weeks

[07:19:07]

Beirdo:

and leave it there

[07:19:10]

wagnerrp:

pretty sure its going to be before 0.24

[07:19:23]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: K. I was hoping to change that part before 0.24

[07:19:33]

justinh:

Beirdo: maybe wouldn't be a bad idea to add an autoresponder

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Beirdo:

dunno if I can get flickr/picasa in before then

[07:19:58]

justinh:

whoah flickr in mythgallery? cool plan!

[07:20:07]

wagnerrp:

well you should at least confer with that mysterious unknown member of the a-team first

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Beirdo:

that's my plan on that front

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justinh:

though everybody with flickr should dump their accounts on principle

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wagnerrp:

might change how you implement it, depending on what capabilities it will give you

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Beirdo:

yeah, for local files

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Beirdo:

the flickr part is an API + the new network caching

[07:21:20]

Beirdo:

likewise for picasa

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Beirdo:

and hopefully later... gallery3

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Beirdo:

:)

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justinh:

never heard of that one

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Beirdo:

you heard of gallery2

[07:21:50]

Beirdo:

?

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wagnerrp:

you mean for the mythweb portion?

[07:22:02]

Beirdo:

ummm, no

[07:22:06]

Beirdo:

for mythgallery

[07:22:10]

justinh:

I have two flickr accounts & it's a pig trying to remember login details

[07:22:20]

Beirdo:

on the frontend

[07:22:29]

justinh:

I hate them for forcing people to hold a yahoo account

[07:22:36]

Beirdo:

there's no point to doing much for mythweb for anything but local files

[07:22:42]

wagnerrp:

you mean support accessing it?

[07:22:45]

Beirdo:

justinh: whine whine whine

[07:22:47]

Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

I mean on the frontend, slideshows from your flickr/picasa/gallery3 photo gallery

[07:23:29]

justinh:

come to think, I'll just delete the bugger & go with picasa. if I only have one account I'd rather it be googley

[07:23:32]

Beirdo:

and I'm hoping to do flickr searches too

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