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[01:14:45] J-e-f-f-A: Umm... Nvidia binary drivers don't work for FC13?!? well, I guess I'm gonna use FC12 then!
[01:15:20] ** J-e-f-f-A growls. **
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[01:16:36] J-e-f-f-A: oh wait, there's an rpm available from rpmfusion... ok, not so bad then...
[01:26:43] ** wagnerrp just remember he has futurama to watch in 45 minutes **
[01:28:48] oobe: crackle has a channel on youtube playing full lenght feature films with paid ads
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[01:41:41] J-e-f-f-A: wt???? My FiOS HD boxes were locked up and not changing channels... ugh... I had to hard-reset them to get them to behave again... :-(
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[02:16:09] newz2000: I'm using mythbuntu 10.04 with a PVR 150 in the USA with a trial for schedulesdirect and am not able to watch tv
[02:16:16] newz2000: (says please wait... then back to menu)
[02:16:37] wagnerrp: check your backend logs for an error message
[02:17:42] newz2000: wagnerrp: is there some string that makes error messages stand out?
[02:17:57] newz2000: (something I can grep for)
[02:18:11] wagnerrp: nah, just check around the timestamp that it failed
[02:20:02] Beirdo: can't talk... Futurama
[02:20:03] Beirdo: :)
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[02:21:21] wagnerrp: Beirdo: yeah... but its old futurama
[02:25:01] Beirdo: no
[02:25:15] Beirdo: it's World Premiere Futurama
[02:25:15] wagnerrp: yeah
[02:25:23] wagnerrp: sure... first time its been on TV
[02:25:29] Beirdo: shuddup :)
[02:25:31] wagnerrp: its still old futurama
[02:25:33] Beirdo: hehe
[02:25:36] Beirdo: shuddup :)
[02:25:37] Beirdo: hehe
[02:26:11] Beirdo: thou shalt not burst my bubble :)
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[02:50:19] Beirdo: argh
[02:50:49] Beirdo: stupid freenode and Excess Floods
[02:50:51] Beirdo: :)
[02:51:32] Beirdo: I bet they aren't using normal flood protection algorithms, so clients are trying to behave and aren't quite making it
[02:51:36] Beirdo: but whatever
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[02:56:04] jst: What command should I use if I'm getting weird problems with me theme? mythfrontend -O theme=x?
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[02:57:32] seventoes: so i'm losing channels… are there any guides on using a converter box with mythtv yet?
[02:57:52] jst: seventoes, check out the wiki page on HD PVR.
[02:58:05] jst: That's probably your best option.
[02:58:31] wagnerrp: converter box?
[02:58:39] seventoes: digital converter box
[02:58:49] seventoes: jst, its a standard dev TV
[02:58:50] seventoes: def*
[02:58:59] wagnerrp: you mean those cheap little pieces of crap that only have a RF output?
[02:59:36] Beirdo: buzzkiller :)
[02:59:38] seventoes: my TV only has AV jack in :-/
[02:59:39] jst: Ohh.
[02:59:39] Beirdo: hehe
[02:59:42] jst: Comcast?
[02:59:52] seventoes: yeah, Comcast
[03:00:05] jst: Yeah, I read a great guide on those.
[03:00:14] jst: I can try to get it up in a few for you.
[03:00:19] jst: Maybe google "comcast ota mythtv"
[03:00:22] Beirdo: hehe
[03:00:27] Beirdo: keep yer pants on
[03:00:56] seventoes: not looking to spend more money on a HD-PVR when i won't even use the HD
[03:01:23] seventoes: over the air?
[03:02:01] jst: crap, i can't remember exactly
[03:02:04] wagnerrp: have they started encrypting those channels yet?
[03:02:26] jst: yeah, that's a good point... wouldn't they be in clearqam for the time being if they haven't encrypted?
[03:02:53] jst: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Scte65scan
[03:03:13] jst: http://regx.dgswa.com/html/node/134
[03:03:17] jst: second one looks better
[03:03:45] jst: I'd save myself the headache and buy a small HDTV though :)
[03:03:52] seventoes: jst: ahh nice and hacky
[03:04:10] jst: yeah, this guy did a great job writing that article love the graphics heh
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[03:07:22] seventoes: my PVR-150 doesn't have IR in
[03:07:38] seventoes: I have little IR recievers from an OLD OLD OLD WebTV box that look like Headphone jacks
[03:08:33] seventoes: look like they output to a headphone jack type connection*
[03:08:56] seventoes: not sure how to do that.. somehow use audio-in as IR receiver? is there a driver for that anyone know?
[03:10:49] clever: the pvr-150 ir cable has a mini-headphone jack
[03:10:49] seventoes: scte65scan might be a better option actually :P
[03:10:55] clever: and has both blast and receive
[03:12:17] seventoes: my card came with what I believe is an RF remote, doens't need LoS and plugs into USB
[03:12:29] seventoes: no IR LEDs on it
[03:13:34] clever: nice
[03:13:57] clever: my pvr150 drivers for lirc failed a few kernel updates ago, and its hidden in a closet
[03:14:08] seventoes: nice :P
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[03:14:13] clever: i recently got a cheap usb ir receiver/remote, and it acts like a plain usb keyboard&mouse
[03:14:41] clever: though some of the keys are cheating, the abc key acts like a cellphone but cheats badly (breaks myth)
[03:14:54] clever: hit it once and it sends 'a', hit it again and it sends backspace and 'b'
[03:15:00] seventoes: o.O
[03:15:01] clever: that wont work right with myth
[03:15:16] clever: it might work for typing into notepad, but not with myth
[03:15:21] seventoes: for some custom receiver software?
[03:15:28] seventoes: originally?
[03:15:42] clever: i beleive it came with a cd, but i suspect its windows only
[03:15:54] clever: if your in a text editor, the abc key works fine
[03:16:13] clever: hitting it twice sends a, backspace,b, leaving you with just a 'b' in the editor
[03:16:23] seventoes: lol T_T
[03:17:37] clever: but myth acts on the 'a' 'backspace' and 'b' seperately, so you would trigger 3 different things at once
[03:17:45] seventoes: right
[03:18:03] jst: Alright. Apparently, my cable provider has disabled firewire ports (or at least the ability to change channels using a firewire cable) on some of their boxes. Is this illegal? Should I contact a supervisor at my cable company or possibly the FCC?
[03:18:15] clever: and the num lock key (totaly not real numlock) switched things between arrow keys, lowercase, and upper case, and gets stuck in lowercase easily
[03:18:34] seventoes: jst: Do YOU own the box? Most providers "Rent" the box to you
[03:18:36] kormoc: jst. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire#FCC_regulations
[03:18:54] clever: i need to kick the stock interface and throw more lirc at it
[03:18:55] kormoc: seventoes, how does that have any bearing at all?
[03:19:14] seventoes: kormoc: if they own the box, they can do whatever they want to it
[03:19:24] jst: seventoes, no, I'm renting it. But I'm reading that Bright House disabled the firewire ports on some/all of their boxes.
[03:19:30] jst: Crap.
[03:19:33] kormoc: seventoes, not according to the FCC
[03:19:36] jst: Why would they do that? Just to be dicks?
[03:19:48] jst: I mean, I'm paying for the box... who cares if I use firewire?
[03:19:50] seventoes: dunno the regulations, just saying thats how it usually is
[03:20:20] clever: i can change channels with my HD box over firewire, but i cant capture a thing, not even the tv guide channel
[03:20:23] jst: The FCC has passed a regulation that if you are in the United States, and you have a HD subscription and a HD cable box, they have to on your request replace or upgrade your cable box with working FireWire.
[03:20:25] kormoc: As I do know the regulations, and I just linked to them, they're required to give you (on your request) a box with a working firewire port if you have a HD subscription with them
[03:20:32] jst: Bam. Looks like I need to talk to a supervisor.
[03:21:07] seventoes: huh. FCC is one of the only federal angencies I know of that isn't _completely_ evil
[03:22:04] kormoc: keep in mind, this is only for cable companies, Satellite, Fiber, and other companies are not currently covered by the regulation
[03:22:20] Beirdo: seventoes: are you on crack? Sure they are eveil :)
[03:22:25] jst: Yeah, mine is a cable provider.
[03:22:27] wagnerrp: verizon isnt considered a cable company?
[03:22:38] seventoes: Beirdo: Pro net-neutrality
[03:22:43] kormoc: wagnerrp, no, they are not, but they're treating themselves as if they are
[03:23:06] kormoc: wagnerrp, I don't really understand the line, but thats afaik
[03:23:07] seventoes: i said not _completely_ evil, of course they are evil, they're government :P
[03:23:07] wagnerrp: but... they use QAM signaling, and cable boxes, and support clearqam tuners, and... and...
[03:23:09] jst: Yeah, FCC seems to be really looking out for consumers.
[03:23:37] wagnerrp: seventoes, jst: remember, this whole digital switchover was so they could revoke tons of spectrum and resell it
[03:23:53] seventoes: makes 100% sense to me, analog needed to be phased out
[03:23:55] seventoes: :-/
[03:23:58] Beirdo: yeah, letting the providers black out the Simpsons on the firewire... that's looking out for the consumer :)
[03:24:18] Beirdo: analog didn't need phasing out
[03:24:20] kormoc: Beirdo, the law right now was purely for movies pre-dvd release
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[03:24:36] Beirdo: we didn't NEEEED to have 400 more channels of worthless crap
[03:24:47] kormoc: Let the free market decide
[03:24:54] Beirdo: read a book, people :)
[03:24:57] Beirdo: heh
[03:25:00] jst: I'd just really like to use firewire to change channels on my box. And Bright House seemingly has disabled firewire ports. I can't imagine why... you're still paying for the box.
[03:25:10] ** Beirdo shakes his fist at the world... SLOW DOWN, PUNKS! **
[03:25:28] jst: kormoc, the free market would work fine if we didn't have government-sanctioned monopolies. :)
[03:25:29] kormoc: jst, just call them up, quote the regs, keep going up the chain till you find someone to follow them or you run out of chain
[03:27:17] wagnerrp: hahahahaha
[03:27:48] wagnerrp: this episode of futurama was 'brought to you by Bartley's Rocket Wax. I wax my rocket every day!'
[03:27:55] Beirdo: heh
[03:28:00] Beirdo: already watched it :)
[03:28:11] Beirdo: On Daily Show now..
[03:28:12] Beirdo: heh
[03:28:25] wagnerrp: you leave a computer somewhere in PR to record tv?
[03:28:39] kormoc: wagnerrp, nah, I just watched them too, as did xris
[03:28:42] Beirdo: no
[03:28:44] wagnerrp: or was it a simultaneous release across the US?
[03:28:54] Beirdo: Comedy Central, dude
[03:28:58] wagnerrp: that one only started an hour ago here
[03:29:17] Beirdo: uh huh
[03:29:19] kormoc: wagnerrp, they're half hour shows
[03:29:24] Beirdo: :)
[03:29:39] wagnerrp: i mean it started an hour ago
[03:29:42] jst: Those two episodes were overly perverted.
[03:29:51] ** jst not a prude... just saying... that's infantile humor. **
[03:29:52] wagnerrp: normal staggering would say you shouldnt start for another hour
[03:30:00] Beirdo: time to swap video cards...
[03:30:00] kormoc: wagnerrp, it started at 7 pm, 2 30 minute back to back
[03:30:11] Beirdo: it will be on again at 9
[03:30:12] wagnerrp: funky
[03:30:32] Beirdo: something like that :)
[03:30:56] wagnerrp: they started at 10pm over here
[03:30:57] Beirdo: anyways... old mythbox needs to have its 9500GT
[03:31:59] wagnerrp: HAHAHAHAHAHA
[03:32:11] wagnerrp: making it bigger doesnt make it clearer, i love this show
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[03:50:47] seventoes: …so wait
[03:50:59] seventoes: SCTE65scan only works with DVB-T cards? whats the difference?
[03:51:12] wagnerrp: no, it doesnt work with DVB-anything
[03:52:01] seventoes: /dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0: No such file or directory
[03:52:39] wagnerrp: all digital tuners in linux run through the dvb subsystem
[03:52:54] seventoes: i have no /dev/dvb folder :-/
[03:52:55] wagnerrp: but scte65scan only works with US digital cable
[03:53:03] wagnerrp: which is not a form of DVB
[03:53:09] wagnerrp: then you have no digital tuner
[03:53:18] seventoes: PVR-150 isn't digital?
[03:53:33] wagnerrp: nope
[03:53:46] seventoes: :-/ so there's no easy way to get it working without the digital converter box?
[03:54:02] seventoes: i'm really dreading setting up a hacky IR recieve, blast, recieve, change channel setup
[03:54:21] wagnerrp: thats it
[03:56:56] seventoes: so i have an audio-jack based IR blaster thing from an old WebTV box.. any way to get that working? :-/
[03:57:39] [R]: you could probably make a serial blaster with it
[03:57:52] wagnerrp: plug it into the port on your 150?
[03:58:10] seventoes: i dont think my 150 has an IR port
[03:58:36] seventoes: the remote that came with it is RF, uses USB
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[04:01:19] seventoes: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Snapstream_Firefly that one
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[04:07:54] seventoes: uhg.. not looking like i can use this blaster from a headphone jack T)T
[04:07:55] seventoes: T_T
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[04:11:49] seventoes: kinda getting agrivated and considering ditching the idea of recording TV and switching to XBMC...
[04:11:58] seventoes: was nice to record stuff while i lasted...
[04:12:05] seventoes: it*
[04:14:38] wagnerrp: i fail to see what XBMC would get you
[04:15:10] seventoes: could still watch stuff i download, which i do with mythtv currently as well as recording tv
[04:17:49] wagnerrp: none of the networks provide downloads, its only streaming
[04:20:40] clever: my dad was streaming some shows off one site, and then turned my squid proxy off and discovered they dont stream to canada!
[04:21:19] clever: the location check was trusting the proxyed-for: header too much, and couldnt track down 10.0.0.104, so it just allowed it
[04:24:43] Beirdo: computers suck
[04:25:00] Beirdo: it won't turn back on. I think the RAM died in the process
[04:25:13] clever: my old laptop only turns on if i hit it
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[04:32:24] Beirdo: so flippin mad
[04:32:55] Beirdo: mythtv go bye bye
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[04:34:53] seventoes: soooo buy more ram :D
[04:35:25] Beirdo: I'm hoping it's the RAM
[04:35:48] Beirdo: and I don't feel like tossing good money after an old box... DDR PC3200...
[04:36:02] Beirdo: I'll see if I can beg/borrow some
[04:36:34] Beirdo: It's days like this that I REALLY hate computers
[04:40:01] clever: Beirdo: how much does it refuse to come on?
[04:40:08] clever: doesnt boot, lights dont even come on?
[04:40:24] Beirdo: it does NOTHING but spin the CPU fan
[04:40:49] Beirdo: so either the RAM died, the CPU died, or something in the mobo died
[04:41:08] Beirdo: I'm so tempted to just shoot it
[04:41:09] clever: ah, thats atleast better then my laptop
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[04:41:14] Beirdo: better?!
[04:41:23] Beirdo: it's DOA and it's BETTER?
[04:41:26] clever: my laptop just blinks the power LED real fast for 4 seconds
[04:41:30] Beirdo: the power supply works
[04:41:32] clever: then gives up and goes back to 'dead'
[04:41:36] Beirdo: that's all I can say
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[04:42:05] Beirdo: it better not have killed the PVR-250s
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[04:42:08] clever: yeah, it sounds like a problem in the mobo/ram/cpu
[04:42:18] Beirdo: which are now pulled (of course)
[04:42:23] clever: or a pci device is crippling it by pulling a bus down, or not
[04:42:46] Beirdo: there is nothing plugged into it
[04:42:49] clever: my P4 system seems to have a microcontroler hooked to a 2nd bios and the sound card
[04:42:57] clever: it can say things like no CPU installed
[04:43:18] clever: one day, it locked up and then proclaimed the cpu was missing!!
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[04:51:12] Beirdo: anyone have a baseball bat?
[04:51:25] Beirdo: I think I'd like to go office space on this thing!
[04:51:29] wagnerrp: im sure ive got one somewhere in the basement
[04:51:49] clever: Beirdo: find an old keyboard and use that
[04:51:56] clever: set the tower up on the desk like it was in-use
[04:52:05] Beirdo: it's not a tower :)
[04:52:08] clever: then video tape yourself grabing the keyboard and going to work on it:P
[04:52:11] Beirdo: Antec Aria
[04:52:18] clever: *googles*
[04:52:36] clever: ah
[04:52:43] Beirdo: it would make a satisfying hole in a car on the street though
[04:52:52] Beirdo: but I think I'd better pass on that
[04:53:02] clever: drop it from an overpass!
[04:53:24] Beirdo: chuck it from my balcony... only second floor, but I could go to the roof
[04:53:39] wagnerrp: kormoc: you in? looking for some sql advice
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[04:54:05] Beirdo: I can give you sql advice
[04:54:17] Beirdo: but if you want GOOD advice... wait for kormoc :)
[04:54:34] wagnerrp: im looking at the python bindings, and specifically the code to insert new entries
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[04:55:02] wagnerrp: right now, ive got a class that carries all the data in a dictionary
[04:55:22] wagnerrp: if the class has not been mapped to a database entry, it allows a 'create()' method
[04:55:39] wagnerrp: that pulls all of its data, sanitizes it, and pushes it onto the database
[04:56:18] wagnerrp: now the code in the base class doesnt do anything to indicate it has now been mapped to an entry
[04:56:36] wagnerrp: all that call does is return the id of the inserted row
[04:56:45] wagnerrp: and relies on the subclass to actually do something with it
[04:57:07] wagnerrp: now things like the recorded table, theyre indexed with 'chanid' and 'starttime', so there is nothing to do, that data already exists
[04:57:44] wagnerrp: something like videometadata, its indexed off an autoincrement field, that i dont know of until i actually query the database for it
[04:58:17] Beirdo: the id of the inserted row SHOULD be the autoincrement
[04:58:20] Beirdo: normally
[04:58:25] wagnerrp: now i could have the method query the database for the exact line that it just inserted
[04:58:33] wagnerrp: but that seems rather cludgy
[04:58:41] Beirdo: inserted row...
[04:58:49] wagnerrp: Beirdo: yeah, thats who the 'Video' class for videometadata entries is handled
[04:59:01] clever: wagnerrp: there are functions to get the last insert id
[04:59:05] wagnerrp: but i cant do that for items in recorded
[04:59:06] Beirdo: not sure how Python accesses that, but that's the normal way I do it in C :)
[04:59:51] wagnerrp: looking for a 'clean' way to do it for all cases
[04:59:55] wagnerrp: not sure if there is one
[04:59:59] clever: the subclass that makes it could grab that, and the parrent (if its recorded) would just ignore that number and use the chanid/starttime
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[05:00:24] wagnerrp: right, im saying i want to provide the functionality entirely in the parent class, without making the subclass do anything
[05:00:56] clever: the class that creates the row could save that into a local variable
[05:01:32] wagnerrp: it does, it stores it to cursor.lastrowid, and thats what im using for some of the subclasses
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[05:01:42] wagnerrp: but others, specifically those dealing with recordings, that doesnt work
[05:02:13] clever: yeah, those others would have to just use starttime/chanid directly and ignore lastrowid
[05:02:31] Beirdo: alter the table and create an autoincrement? ;)
[05:03:29] clever: yeah, things like recorded probly could do with a better key, a one column id for the rows
[05:03:49] Beirdo: I'll leave that to kormoc to advise on
[05:04:18] clever: yeah, its a very major change
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[05:04:42] Beirdo: I hate you, computer
[05:05:25] clever: Beirdo: do you have another compatible cpu/ram?
[05:05:31] Beirdo: np
[05:05:34] Beirdo: no rather
[05:06:05] wagnerrp: in all these classes, i have it pull the entire data set off the database after inserting it
[05:06:07] clever: cant eliminate them then
[05:06:17] wagnerrp: so i have a true copy, after any default values the database may have set
[05:06:40] wagnerrp: i /could/ just rework the INSERT into a SELECT using all the same data
[05:07:16] wagnerrp: but like i said, that just seems 'dirty' to make a query with that number of where arguments
[05:07:22] Beirdo: that should work, but I dunno if it's the most efficient
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[05:08:26] wagnerrp: i could have the subclass set various attributes that would adjust how the class acted
[05:08:43] wagnerrp: but im trying to simply it for subclassing, adding additional requirements isnt what i had in mind
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[05:11:52] wagnerrp: i also have a big table of 'defaults' that i have to use to prep the object, to provide defaults to any 'NOT NULL' fields
[05:12:11] wagnerrp: im wondering if i should do away with that entirely, and patch the schema to actually provide defaults
[05:13:52] wagnerrp: there are a ton of fields in the schema that are 'NOT NULL' but with 'NULL' set as the default
[05:14:15] wagnerrp: that seems un-kosher to me... but then im not a sql expert
[05:14:20] wagnerrp: kormoc: ^^^
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[05:19:56] jya: in mythweb...
[05:20:04] jya: In the advanced ettings
[05:20:13] jya: I can mark a channel as being not visible
[05:20:20] jya: once you validate, that channel is gone
[05:20:28] jya: how do you revert ????
[05:20:39] wagnerrp: mark it visible again
[05:20:47] jya: sure... I would
[05:20:54] wagnerrp: are you sure you checked the 'visible' box and not the 'delete' box?
[05:20:57] jya: except that mythweb doesn't show it in the advanced list
[05:21:00] wagnerrp: delete is on the left, visible is on the right
[05:21:02] jya: 100% sure
[05:21:23] jya: I know where visible flag is ... :)
[05:21:29] jya: that's what I was reporting..
[05:21:36] jya: uncheck the visible flag, validate
[05:21:54] jya: the channel is now unvisible, and you can't re-activate the visible flag anymore
[05:22:08] jya: I was wondering if there was another way, or if I should lodge a bug
[05:22:16] wagnerrp: huh... youre right
[05:22:23] wagnerrp: didnt used to behave that way
[05:22:46] jya: no, mythweb used to show all channels
[05:22:50] jya: not just the invisible one
[05:22:51] wagnerrp: right
[05:23:03] wagnerrp: .... hence why i had to ask
[05:23:03] jya: someone asked a question on -users
[05:23:22] jya: and it didn't make sense... so I went, and now I understand why the guy was asking that question
[05:23:38] jya: (it was in relation to the HD / SD duplicate, and removing the SD channel)
[05:26:39] xris: jya: could be a bug in kormoc changing how channels are loaded now.
[05:26:47] jya: going to lodge a ticket
[05:32:01] wagnerrp: i assume its because hes using 'Channel::getChannelList' to enumerate the list
[05:32:07] wagnerrp: and that call is filtering invisible channels
[05:32:52] Beirdo: well I guess my theme song for the day is Limp Bizkit – Break Stuff
[05:32:53] wagnerrp: yeah, thats the problem
[05:33:18] wagnerrp: mythweb/modules/tv/classes/Channel.php
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[05:40:51] Beirdo: paperclip? You'd better not be that annoying "helper" in Office...
[05:40:52] npm: could http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/uploads/documents . . . urations.pdf be used to tap into I2S stream of a "closed" device's D/A converter and capture SPDIF??
[05:41:00] Beirdo: if you are, we'll have to kick yer butt
[05:41:27] npm: ?
[05:41:45] Beirdo: ? what?
[05:42:10] Beirdo: I wasn't talking to you (which you could see if you look at the line JUST above yours) :)
[05:43:08] wagnerrp: jya: are you going to submit a bug? if not, ill go ahead and put up a patch
[05:43:19] npm: oh, i thought trying to bypass bad D/A converters and analog was going to get my butt kicked :-)
[05:43:25] jya: oh if you have a fix that's even better
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[05:45:31] jya: wagnerrp: I'm still on packaging the nvidia new 256.x drivers.. They have completely changed their directory structure.. what a pain
[05:45:48] ** Beirdo grumbles and groans **
[05:45:54] Beirdo: stupid computers
[05:45:55] Beirdo: :)
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[06:04:47] pembo13: i need help reducing/fixing an annoying amount of lag between video and audio in mythfrontend on a PulseAudio system
[06:04:59] wagnerrp: upgrade to trunk
[06:05:09] pembo13: wagnerrp: that's for me?
[06:05:09] wagnerrp: or uninstall pulseaudio
[06:05:18] pembo13: wagnerrp: ok
[06:05:23] pembo13: i'll have to wait for new RPMs then
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[06:15:56] jya: pembo13: have you tried the ALSA:pulse device instead?
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[06:19:15] pembo13: jya: let me try
[06:19:32] jya: you will have to restart mythfrontend
[06:19:50] jya: as in 0.23, when you start mythfrontend , pulseaudio is suspended and won't be restarted
[06:20:15] pembo13: jya: ALSA:plugin isn't available to me
[06:20:26] jya: you'll have to type it in
[06:20:38] pembo13: jya: ah
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[06:22:03] pembo13: jya: no audio output with ALSA:pulse (and a restart of mythfrontend)
[06:22:13] jya: when you do aplay -L
[06:22:17] jya: what do you see?
[06:22:22] jya: is pulse in there?
[06:22:43] pembo13: jya: no, it is not
[06:22:49] jya: ah well
[06:22:54] jya: upgrade pulseaudio then :)
[06:23:03] pembo13: jya: is that some kind of plugin for ALSA perhaps?
[06:23:08] jya: what version are you running
[06:23:25] pembo13: jya: mythtv-frontend-0.23–2.fc13.x86_64
[06:23:26] jya: you can try the ALSA emulation and see how it works for you..
[06:23:35] jya: that's not the version of pulseaudio ...
[06:24:13] jya: pulseaudio --version
[06:24:24] pembo13: jya: pulseaudio-0.9.21–6.fc13.x86_64
[06:24:44] pembo13: pulseaudio 0.9.21
[06:24:54] jya: that's weird... when I run 0.9.21, it creates a device pulse
[06:24:54] jya: Playback/recording through the PulseAudio sound server
[06:25:04] jya: anyhow...
[06:25:07] jya: try this then
[06:25:18] jya: set mythfrontend to use ALSA:default
[06:25:22] jya: quit mythfrontend
[06:26:18] jya: do export DEBUG_PULSE_AUDIO_ALSA_EMULATION=1
[06:26:34] jya: restart mythfrontend
[06:27:11] pembo13: jya: that works, thanks
[06:27:21] pembo13: i'll have to add that to my .bashrc i assume?
[06:27:28] jya: now how is lip-sync?
[06:27:38] pembo13: jya: not noticeably off
[06:27:45] pembo13: ie. good
[06:27:55] jya: how you add it .. not sure
[06:28:02] jya: .bashrc is added when bash is started
[06:28:16] jya: if mythfrontend is started automatically, it may not run .bashrc
[06:28:36] pembo13: jya: no, i start it myself from an applicaiton menu (Kmenu)
[06:28:44] jya: same thing
[06:28:49] jya: you aren't starting bash
[06:29:13] jya: I would create a script with
[06:29:35] jya: export DEBUG_PULSE_AUDIO_ALSA_EMULATION=1 ; mythfrontend ...
[06:29:44] jya: and call that script instead
[06:29:50] pembo13: jya: cool, thanks
[06:38:26] jya: wagnerrp: with your patch, you still need to have an option in the web page right ?
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[06:53:44] el_duerino: justinh: I'm not sure if you remeber the hint you gave me two days ago about the "lower graphics mode" when starting X; you said this problem was solved on your system using a special grub boot parameter. Well, at my system this doe not help unfortunately...
[06:54:20] el_duerino: justinh: Any other ideas?
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[07:04:46] Shadow__X: anyone else notice comcast taking away a huge chunk of clear qam channels>?
[07:06:22] Beirdo: not me. Comcast ain't my provider
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[07:10:57] el_duerino: justinh: hmm, looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/562565
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[09:33:55] Weaselweb: hi, how can I change the shortcuts for the internal player used for DVD playback? e.g. it matches to mplayer used in mythvideo
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[10:01:00] clever: Weaselweb: there is a key bindings UI in the setup area
[10:02:06] Weaselweb: clever: i've seen that, but what is the part for the internal player?
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[10:03:20] clever: its probly under playback
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[10:20:12] justinh: Weaselweb: media settings – optical disks.. IIRC
[10:23:11] Weaselweb: clever: ah, found it. a bit confusing, but at least I could change the pause key to match mplayer
[10:23:59] justinh: el_duerino: did you actually update grub after changing /etc/default/grub ?
[10:24:23] clever: Weaselweb: some things like mplayers [] key just cant be copied in mythtv ([] changes playback speed), myth does it by hitting a and then left/right, which also cant be copied in mplayer
[10:24:45] justinh: forget what the command is now, but it worked first time for me. I may yet bump into the problem again since I don't plan to reboot that machine often. It's hidden away in a cupboard under the stairs :)
[10:25:21] Weaselweb: clever: well, the most important keys are pause, jump forward/backward
[10:25:34] el_duerino: justinh: yes, i did the grup-update
[10:25:57] Weaselweb: but the 1min jumps from mplayer seem not be usedable on DVD playback
[10:25:58] el_duerino: justinh: but it seems to be a driver problem (see the bugreport )
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[11:01:24] azlon: i have a RAID on my primary ubuntu machine. i just put together a little mythtv machine. how can i add the videos from my primary machine to my new machine? (first day using mythtv)
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[11:06:30] clever: Weaselweb: in mplayer, you can addjust how much the key seeks
[11:07:04] clever: Weaselweb: in /etc/mplayer/input.conf (or $HOME/.mplayer/input.conf) LEFT seek -10 and DOWN seek -60
[11:07:19] Weaselweb: clever: well. the mplayer setup is pretty fine already. i just want to adjust the controls of the internal player
[11:07:40] clever: and somewhere in the mythtv setup, you can set the skip delay for left/right seek, and maybe page up/down seek
[11:07:58] clever: it can help just to tune the side you can change, to match the others
[11:08:49] clever: i find the mplayer input config to be ALOT better, you bind keys (keyboard or lirc) directly to small commands (with optional arguments)
[11:09:18] clever: myth is alot simpler where lirc buttons are blindly turned into keys (same key for every menu/screen), and then you bind the keys to basic actions
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[11:37:54] azlon: i am trying to install the mythtv plugins. i ran ./configure --help and saw the options. then i ran ./configure --enable-all and it gives me: qmake for Qt4 not found. Please specify the correct qmake with --qmake=
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[11:47:23] azlon: ugh... what the heck... i cant intall these plugins for some reason. is qmake an app i need install or something?
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[11:54:34] justinh: you have to install mythtv first, from source
[11:54:57] justinh: and if you'd tried to do that you probably would've run into the same issue
[12:03:56] azlon: justinh, so i have to install mythtv from source to be able to use the plugins?
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[12:05:18] justinh: to be able to use plugins from source yes
[12:06:09] azlon: what if i install from mythbuntu?
[12:06:13] azlon: i have to start over?
[12:06:47] azlon: justinh, all i want to do is watch the avi files on my primary ubuntu RAID... thats all
[12:06:59] azlon: justinh, do i need to install the mythvideo plugin for that?
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[12:10:54] azlon: ugh
[12:11:02] azlon: i give up... back to windows 7
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[12:19:56] justinh: wow I didn't know windows 7 was for idiots
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[13:05:54] gbee: justinh: be nice :)
[13:07:26] bjd: justin has so much hate :(
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[13:23:07] el_duerino: justinh: I did know that ;-)
[13:25:53] justinh: bjd: I have so little patience for people who don't have any blimmin patience. I WANT MY ANSWER NOW! Ah wth I'm going back to the OS I don't know how to configure but just works (tm)
[13:26:29] justinh: these people try for about 5 minutes, then come here, don't get an immediate answer & give up. It's frustrating
[13:27:15] justinh: what's really annoying about all this is.. if only they read the blimmin docs they'd know in an instant </rant>
[13:29:15] justinh: in future rather than try to help when I nip in for 5 I'll just keep schtum :)
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[13:56:35] azlon: how can i view videos on my other machine (not mythtv) on my current mythtv machine?
[13:56:48] azlon: i am reading about video groups but the videos are not showing up in the list
[13:57:24] azlon: i scanned for changes and it says, "Failed to scan SG video host"
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[14:07:19] wagnerrp: jya: no, with that patch, the channel editor works as intended
[14:08:10] jya: wagnerrp: ok.. cause I had a very quick glance at it, and I saw that you added the flag to provide the option in the API to retriwve either.. but not how to toggle the flag
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[14:08:58] wagnerrp: there is no toggle, i just set the default to filter for all uses of that method, and for when the channel editor uses it, to disable the filter
[14:09:35] wagnerrp: an internal control, nothing exposed externally to change with a setting
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[14:12:05] wagnerrp: so why did nvidia jump from 195 to 256
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[14:13:17] jya: wagnerrp: only them know... All I know is I must have spent 3 hours in redoing the package... *everything* changed.
[14:13:51] jya: their installer is now a single directory, with all files in it..
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[14:14:44] jya: used to be stored as it would be stored on the destination machine... /usr/lib etc...
[14:15:26] jya: wagnerrp: maybe it would be great in mythweb to be able to edit the list , either with hidden channels removed (default) or with all channels
[14:16:13] wagnerrp: thats beyond my capacity, havent touched PHP in almost two years
[14:16:59] justinh: azlon: well, for storage groups to work any files stored away from the main backend must be mounted as 'local' – i.e. over nfs, samba etc
[14:17:15] justinh: er not main backend... any mythtv backend
[14:17:50] justinh: so either export the directory the videos are stored in via nfs – or some other way – and mount them on the backend like you would any other share
[14:17:59] azlon: justinh, ok, i have samba installed... how can i mount the remote folders locally? just do sudo mount smb://192.168.1.10/archivestorage/Movies /media/Movies
[14:18:15] justinh: not sure of the syntax there
[14:18:26] azlon: hrmm... what do you mean by export? is there an app for this?
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[14:18:54] justinh: ubuntu has GUI options for sharing stuff over networks but I've never been able to get it working properly
[14:18:59] justinh: I always end up using nfs
[14:19:06] azlon: let me play with it for a sec... brb
[14:19:42] wagnerrp: an app....?
[14:19:53] justinh: nfs is better than samba anyway.. it has far less overhead. I'd recommend it over samba between linux machines any day
[14:20:20] azlon: ok... nfs... is this already installed or do i need to get it?
[14:20:28] justinh: you'll have to install it
[14:20:33] azlon: ok, brb
[14:20:37] wagnerrp: are you running your backend on your file server?
[14:20:43] azlon: should i remove samba or do they play nice with each other?
[14:20:48] azlon: no
[14:20:53] justinh: azlon: should be fine without doing that
[14:21:24] wagnerrp: ... need to get the backend spec'd for tunerless operation...
[14:21:41] azlon: wagnerrp, i just started playing with myth today. i have a 10TB RAID-5 on my primary ubuntu machine... i want to watch the movies on my primary machine on this new myth machine before i commit to anything
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[14:21:59] wagnerrp: eew... 10TB and youre only on RAID-5
[14:22:08] justinh: hang on – you're just looking for mythtv to be a videos viewer?
[14:22:23] azlon: wagnerrp, i have hot-spares...
[14:22:25] wagnerrp: do you have no tuners at all?
[14:22:41] jya: wagnerrp: I'm quite familiar with php , but I wouldn't want to touch anything related to mythweb and make some upset... maybe I'll submit a patch
[14:22:42] wagnerrp: azlon: better to just have those hot spares be part of the raid
[14:22:43] azlon: justinh, for now... but maybe more later if i like it enough... right now i am using Win7 MC
[14:23:11] justinh: heh. enjoying all the repeat recordings much? ;)
[14:23:15] azlon: wagnerrp, i have my tv tuner on my Win7 machine, but i never use it... i'm in kuwait so i just watch avi files
[14:23:46] wagnerrp: if youre not going to use tuner cards, you probably dont want to bother with the complexity that is mythtv
[14:24:10] justinh: I always say that. mythtv is way too much aggro if you're not gonna be watching recorded teevee
[14:24:23] wagnerrp: mythtv is centered around recording TV
[14:24:35] wagnerrp: the backend doesnt like not having tuners and guide data
[14:25:02] azlon: well i might eventually... i just want to tinker with it for now... i really want to be able to stream my live tv to other machines, but i dont want to destroy my win7 machine until i know i will be happy with myth
[14:25:08] justinh: and FWIW if you'd gone with XBMC you'd be up & running by now. such is the life of a user who doesn't need to record tv
[14:25:09] azlon: hrmm
[14:25:27] azlon: justinh, i have played with xbmc and wasnt impressed
[14:25:47] azlon: so if i add a tv tuner to this, it will be easier?
[14:26:17] justinh: put it this way – mythfrontend is the GUI for everything – and every mythfrontend needs a backend to talk to. backends really don't like not having tv tuners
[14:26:41] azlon: hrmm... ok... i can throw a tv tuner in there...
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[14:26:57] justinh: and it has to be a tuner which is known to work in linux...
[14:27:06] wagnerrp: for now, you can just set up a dummy tuner
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[14:27:30] azlon: wagnerrp, that's what i'm talking about... fake the funk until im ready to commit!
[14:27:32] azlon: ;)
[14:27:35] curtlee: Could someone help me make a udev rule to stop my pcHDTV5500 from changing between /dev/dsp1 and /dev/dsp2 on every reboot?
[14:27:38] azlon: how can i make a fake tuner?
[14:27:57] wagnerrp: grab some mpeg2 file you have laying around, create an 'MPEG Encoder' card in mythtv-setup, point the device at that file, and set the external channel changer to '/bin/true'
[14:28:03] ** justinh points towards #help-with-udev to curtlee **
[14:28:09] wagnerrp: its something like that... ive never actually done it personally
[14:28:23] curtlee: justinh: thank you
[14:28:29] wagnerrp: curtlee: simple solution... stop trying to use framegrabbers with mythtv
[14:28:43] justinh: er that's not a real channel – but I suggest you look in the mythtv wiki about udev rules
[14:28:57] curtlee: wagnerrp: what do you mean?
[14:29:24] justinh: curtlee: he means stop using the analogue tuner
[14:29:28] wagnerrp: i mean most people in here dont even acknowledge that the PcHDTV cards even support analog
[14:29:32] justinh: they're more hassle than they're worth
[14:29:37] azlon: justinh, E: Couldn't find package nfs
[14:29:55] justinh: azlon: take 5, seek out ubuntu docs on nfs
[14:30:03] Jay2k1: nfsprogs perhaps
[14:30:07] Jay2k1: or utils
[14:30:12] justinh: or nfs-kernel-server
[14:30:26] justinh: you need to read the docs to get this stuff going
[14:30:38] wagnerrp: curtlee: the recommended analog tuner are IVTV cards, you can usually pick up an old PVR-150 off ebay for ~$20
[14:30:49] justinh: ubuntu misled me with its 'right click on a folder to share' business. it lied
[14:31:50] curtlee: I have a PVR-350, but it is too tall for my 2u case
[14:32:01] justinh: you install the nfs server on the machine you want to share files from, edit a file called /etc/exports telling it which dirs to share and how to share em... then you restart the nfs service. and reading the docs is pretty essential to succeeding there
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[14:33:04] curtlee: I am very happy with the analog tuner in the pchdtv
[14:33:15] curtlee: i only use it a little
[14:33:31] curtlee: but it looks great
[14:33:33] wagnerrp: aside from the fact that the analog capture keeps moving around
[14:34:08] marc-us: wagnerrp, how often do you power down the backend?
[14:34:09] wagnerrp: and youre sucking down large amounts of resources to encode it in real time
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[14:34:45] wagnerrp: right now? mine has been on for about a month
[14:34:55] wagnerrp: i used to reboot every 2–3 days when i was tracking trunk
[14:35:04] PeaceKeeper: Anyone have the logitech mediaboard listed on the mythtv wiki? If so how did you get it reconnected after reboot? (I am running fedora)
[14:35:26] curtlee: the analog capture looks great, it doesn't move around
[14:35:56] marc-us: Ah... I hardly ever shut down but still need to set up my udev rules as well.
[14:36:11] curtlee: my server it just for mythtv, so I don't mind the cpu usage
[14:36:21] justinh: I tried a framegrabber tuner just for kicks a few years ago. it was better than poking myself in the eye with a scalpel, but not by much
[14:37:24] marc-us: ha ha
[14:37:50] marc-us: curtlee, do you power down often?
[14:38:19] justinh: marc-us: before you ask... nevah knowingly except for maintenance (cleaning fans etc)
[14:38:27] marc-us: Typically when I reconfigure the backend it's only once every couple of months or if there is a kernel update
[14:38:35] curtlee: I didn't really like the quality of the PVR-350's recording, plus I had to transcode the video anyway because it used up so much space
[14:38:48] marc-us: So, I've been lazy about using udev rules
[14:38:48] justinh: and I do NOT install kernel updates on a machine which works fine. Ever
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[14:39:28] marc-us: Am I less of a mythtv user for having no rules? (udev)
[14:39:43] marc-us: LAZY RULES!
[14:39:44] curtlee: marc-us: I rarely poweroff, but everytime I do I have to change the setting in mythtv-setup
[14:39:44] justinh: marc-us: nah
[14:40:04] justinh: curtlee: another way to do it is with module blacklisting
[14:40:28] justinh: that's the real lazy way to do it – but it only works if the hardware swapping around uses different modules ;)
[14:41:05] justinh: that way you get to guarantee which order the devices are enumerated.. cos you control the order the modules load :D
[14:42:33] curtlee: I have changed udev rules before to organize my network cards, it shouldn't be hard to set one for this. I just haven't done it before.
[14:43:59] justinh: there's a first time for everything. As the actress said to the bishop
[14:44:22] marc-us: I've seen and been given a couple of guides. It did not seem daunting ... but yet I still have not wanted to take down the server for this...
[14:45:35] justinh: takes your choice. it's either that or put up with presto-change-o
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[14:53:39] curtlee: justinh: Great idea. I think I will reboot it a few times and run lsmod to see if it is switching modules.
[14:53:58] curtlee: I have to wait until this world cup game is over
[14:54:41] rossand: About to set up 2 boxes for mythtv. Need card advice. I'll be hooking them to an antenna with a few DTV channels transmitting HD. TVs are 1080p HD capable. Is the HD-5500 the best/a really good choice? What is the "best" card these days? Thanks.
[14:55:26] curtlee: I really like my HD-5500
[14:55:37] marc-us: I really like the hd-homerun
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[14:55:43] curtlee: plus no broadcast flag
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[14:55:56] wagnerrp: there is no broadcast flag
[14:56:04] curtlee: currently
[14:56:06] marc-us: I cant speak to that.
[14:56:18] dert_: Hi folks, need a quick bit of assistance, please blip me if you're available
[14:56:25] rossand: curtlee: Thanks. They seem quite reasonably priced.
[14:56:26] wagnerrp: its too late for them to add one
[14:56:38] wagnerrp: the spec has been around for ~15 years now without one
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[14:57:29] curtlee: wagnerrp: I hope you are right
[14:57:52] rossand: marc-us: looks interesting. Works well then?
[14:59:51] dert_: I'm trying to compile the drivers for my brand new Hauppage 1600 card, but during the make process I'm getting a compile error – error: implicit declaration of function 'init_MUTEX'
[15:00:05] wagnerrp: dert_: why?
[15:00:32] rossand: marc-us: looks like hd-homerun can feed live to multiple machines. i.e. one homerun to two mythtv boxes. Do you have any experience with this?
[15:01:07] wagnerrp: rossand: no, you do one mythbackend to multiple mythfrontends
[15:01:43] wagnerrp: the fact that an HDHomeRun can feed two different machines simultaneously is irrelevant to mythtv
[15:01:49] dert_: Is that fixable? I'm using Ubuntu 10.04
[15:02:06] wagnerrp: dert_: ubuntu doesnt come with drivers for that card already?
[15:03:01] dert_: No, MythTV can't see the card to do anything with it
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[15:03:48] rossand: wagnerrp: gotcha, thanks for the clarification. If I want 2 tvs with the ability to watch whatever channel or archives independently, do I set up 2 back ends or can one back end (with 2 tuners) drive them both?
[15:03:53] dert_: While we're at it, why doesn't my mouse work in MythTV?
[15:04:29] wagnerrp: rossand: one backend can drive multiple frontends, to the limitations of the hardware
[15:04:41] wagnerrp: however one livetv instance consumes one tuner, there is no sharing
[15:04:51] wagnerrp: dert_: mythtv can use your mouse just fine
[15:04:59] wagnerrp: the default behavior is just to hide the cursor
[15:05:33] rossand: wagnerrp: that's what I'm getting at. one back end with 2 tuners should do the trick to let me have two front ends watch live tv. More if I want to record simultaneously. Does this sound right?
[15:06:10] wagnerrp: correct, one backend can handle as many digital and mpeg tuners as you can physically connect to it
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[15:07:04] azlon: got it!
[15:07:17] azlon: i now have my remote RAID mounted to a local folder!
[15:07:26] marc-us: rossand, While it "can" do this... I typically stream everything from the backend
[15:07:38] azlon: ok, now to play with myth again
[15:07:38] azlon: brb
[15:08:01] marc-us: But yes, you can access one tuner while the other is streaming to the mythbox
[15:08:30] rossand: wagnerrp: cool. got it. One more question. Should I expect 100bt ethernet to be sufficient to handle 2 to 3 live HD feeds? I'm not familiar with the amount of data HD consumes off the cuff.
[15:08:32] marc-us: BTW: when a stream is opened... it think its sent to a specific ip address on a specified port
[15:08:55] wagnerrp: you should expect it to handle up to four
[15:09:02] marc-us: I have not experimented with broadcast streaming with the hdhr
[15:09:06] wagnerrp: a single ATSC stream will be somewhere around 14–19mbps
[15:09:28] marc-us: Yes, it works just fine for me
[15:09:41] marc-us: I have it connected to a 100 hub
[15:09:44] wagnerrp: marc-us: you can... but if mythbackend suddenly expects to record something on that tuner, youre hosed
[15:10:07] marc-us: As I expected, wagnerrp
[15:11:06] rossand: wagnerrp: everyone thank you very much for the prompt and very useful help. It is very much appreciated!
[15:11:11] marc-us: I've actually contemplated getting another hd-hr It's been the best thing I've ever got tech wise
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[15:12:20] marc-us: I even use it's IR receiver... It's painfully easy... I mean that I'm pained that I spent so much time trying to figure out ir solutions... HOURS and DAYS... to find that the hdhr does this in such an easy peasy fashion
[15:13:28] marc-us: I'm really excited about the cable card version of the hdhr but worried that linux support will never happen DRM wise
[15:13:42] wagnerrp: mythtv already supports it
[15:14:10] azlon: HAH! finally got it working!
[15:14:13] azlon: sweetness
[15:14:19] azlon: now to get my crappy POS remote working
[15:14:24] marc-us: Not the cable card version..... Are you sure wagnerrp
[15:14:29] wagnerrp: positive
[15:14:31] marc-us: ?
[15:15:12] marc-us: WOAH... I have not heard of this... I'll be able to insert a cable card into the new version and actually record encrypted cable channels?
[15:15:19] wagnerrp: one of the SD employees is a mythtv user, and whipped up a huge patch for it
[15:15:36] wagnerrp: however, you will only be able to access 'copy freely' content
[15:15:54] wagnerrp: which means it will get you the same exact content as using a cable box over firewire with mythtv
[15:16:10] marc-us: OH, then that's no more than what I have now.
[15:16:35] wagnerrp: note that the copy flags are completely independent of any QAM encryption they may be using
[15:16:47] marc-us: The same channels that work with firewire also work with the Qam tuner of the hdhr
[15:16:50] wagnerrp: you may get more or less using it than with a normal QAM tuner
[15:17:29] marc-us: on my cruddy time warner service... curse them
[15:18:00] justinh: ooo new nagravision cable card for my STB came in the post
[15:18:24] marc-us: absolutely nothing comes over firewire... excepting for local broadcast channels
[15:18:35] marc-us: bleah...
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[15:18:42] wagnerrp: absolutely nothing is required to come unencrypted over firewire
[15:18:51] wagnerrp: FCC regs only state they need an active interface
[15:19:03] wagnerrp: not that you have to be able to do anything with it
[15:19:34] marc-us: And thus... the hdpvr fills the gap.... If I could trouble shoot my issue running more than one at a time
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[15:20:49] dert_: how to I change the mouse cursor to be visible?
[15:21:14] justinh: you set the setting to make it visible. not using your mouse obviously :P
[15:21:41] justinh: or you can override it at run time with -O HideMouseCursor=0
[15:22:26] justinh: IMHO mythtv-setup should always run with the mouse visible
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[15:22:48] justinh: just haven't got round to sending a patch yet
[15:24:54] justinh: reminds me I was going to look into what the default setting is for that. pretty sure it used to be enabled
[15:25:00] justinh: showing the mouse I mean
[15:28:06] justinh: hmm can't find the code which initialises it in the db
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[15:30:55] Captain_Murdoch: programs/mythfrontend/globalsettings.php
[15:30:56] Captain_Murdoch: cpp
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[15:31:43] justinh: what I meant was, there's no setting initialised for it until globalsettings changes it by the look of it
[15:32:16] Captain_Murdoch: globalsettings does initialize it. we load and save settings when the FE starts, so that initializes all settings to their values defined in globalsettings.cpp
[15:32:34] Captain_Murdoch: ie, that's how we set defaults
[15:32:55] justinh: ah yeah.. gc->setValue(true);
[15:32:55] Captain_Murdoch: needs to be redone sometimes as it is taking time to do that which slows the FE.
[15:33:19] justinh: so true is the default? not sure it always was
[15:34:02] Captain_Murdoch: would be nice if we had a DB settings table which defined the valid settings and their default values. woudl allow easy reverting to the good recommended settings or even just reverting a singel setting or group if we had some form of grouping.
[15:34:03] justinh: anyhoo – might get around to looking at making mythtv-setup ignore it & show the mouse pointer. doesn't bother me any to see it when I run that
[15:34:25] justinh: Captain_Murdoch: heh yeah.. once you forget a default setting... oof
[15:34:41] Captain_Murdoch: would be easy to just insert an built-in override as if the user had specified it on the command line.
[15:35:28] curtlee: so it looks like pcHDTV 5500 is currently using the cx88-alsa module
[15:39:27] justinh: curtlee: so you're thinking about trying the module blacklisting shortcut?
[15:41:01] curtlee: sure
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[15:41:33] justinh: e.g. if you wanted the cx88-alsa device to appear second – consistently – so long as it's the only cx88-alsa device you can add cx88-alsa to /etc/modules.d/backlist.conf – then add cx88-alsa to /etc/modules
[15:41:35] curtlee: but I don't think it is switching modules. I don't know what other module it would use
[15:42:08] justinh: or you could do it the other way around & blacklist your soundcard modules
[15:42:14] justinh: whichever works for you :)
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[15:42:40] justinh: but I have to point out that being the lazy way it might not work as expected – udev rules is a much better method
[15:42:40] curtlee: I have also read the alsa MultipleCards pages
[15:43:12] justinh: I'd have thought that if you've already done it for one set of cards it'd be a breeze for another
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[15:44:09] curtlee: well, I might just do what the alsa pages say because I plan to buy another pcHDTV 5500
[15:44:31] justinh: oh lordy. well it's your funeral ;)
[15:45:14] curtlee: hahahahha
[15:47:18] dert_: I've looked through every setting, there is nothing to enable the mouse cursor that i can see
[15:47:26] justinh: dert_: I *told* you
[15:47:46] dert_: now I'm sad
[15:47:50] justinh: dert_: well I told you how to disable it when you run mythfrontend or mythtv-setup
[15:48:05] dert_: well I want to ENable it!
[15:48:10] sid3windr: ...
[15:48:15] dert_: :(
[15:48:16] justinh: I mean disable *hiding* it
[15:48:27] dert_: oh...lol
[15:48:47] dert_: Pretend i have little more than a brain stem functioning
[15:48:49] justinh: the actual checkbox is in utils/setup > settings > appearance .. on the 1st or 2nd page there
[15:49:27] justinh: HideMouseCursor = ZERO.. which means don't hide mouse cursor ;)
[15:50:23] justinh: simples!
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[15:51:50] curtlee: is there a way to pass that as an argument?
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[15:53:16] devinheitmueller: dert_: could you pastebin the output of your v4l-dvb compile?
[15:54:15] dert_: Hi, sorry, this is literally Day 1 with IRC so you guys have to treat me like a 4 year old
[15:54:33] devinheitmueller: dert_: Cut/paste the output into http://pastebin.org/
[15:54:39] dert_: How do I pastepin the output of my compile?
[15:54:41] devinheitmueller: (including the error)
[15:54:43] dert_: ah...good, thanks
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[15:56:54] curtlee: justinh: nevermind, I see you showed an arg for it earlier
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[15:58:26] curtlee: justinh: where can I find a list of the over rides?
[16:00:29] wagnerrp: `select distinct value from mythconverg.settings`
[16:02:29] curtlee: wow, 547 rows
[16:02:42] curtlee: thanks, wagnerrp
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[16:05:33] dert_: http://pastebin.org/358528
[16:05:40] ** devinheitmueller looks **
[16:05:47] dert_: thanks for looking guys
[16:06:03] dert_: I just upgraded my Ubuntu from 9.10 to 10.04
[16:06:15] dert_: I see there that the source headers might be missing?
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[16:09:21] devinheitmueller: Do you have the linux-headers package installed?
[16:09:27] curtlee: if you are using the generic kernel, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic
[16:09:33] devinheitmueller: (for *your* current kernel)?
[16:11:46] ** wagnerrp wonders if mediacipher can be seized under eminent domain... **
[16:12:14] curtlee: if not the generic, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[16:13:47] dert_: linux-headers-2.6.31-10-rt is already the newest version.
[16:14:01] dert_: guess that answers that question, yes they appear to be installed
[16:14:09] devinheitmueller: dert_: does that match your exact version that is running?
[16:14:21] devinheitmueller: Are you actually running an RT kernel?
[16:14:37] dert_: oh yes, that's it and I'm running the RT kernel on Ubuntu Studio actually
[16:14:45] curtlee: uname -r would tell him
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[16:15:13] curtlee: brb
[16:15:29] dert_: uname -r 2.6.31-10-rt
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[16:16:05] devinheitmueller: Interesting.
[16:19:11] devinheitmueller: dert_: A quick google search suggests others have hit that issue before, but it's not clear how they resolved it.
[16:19:30] dert_: Yep, that's why I came here
[16:19:36] dert_: last refuge of the damned
[16:19:38] dert_: :)
[16:19:48] devinheitmueller: Well, in fairness, #linuxtv probably would have been a better place to go.
[16:19:49] devinheitmueller: ;-)
[16:20:32] devinheitmueller: The last case I saw that reported on the linux-media mailing list was specifically with 2.6.31.9. Perhaps this is something specific to that Ubuntu kernel.
[16:20:44] devinheitmueller: Is that the latest kernel you can run (are there updates?)
[16:20:47] dert_: Truth, but I thought I'd start here since I got the instructions from the MythTV site
[16:21:10] wagnerrp: dont consider the mythtv wiki to be official for anything tuner-related
[16:21:19] dert_: I'm terrified to update the kernel again...newer ones seem to just invite more problems
[16:21:27] devinheitmueller: heh
[16:21:39] dert_: I'm more likely to go BACK to a kernel that actually worked for someone before
[16:21:48] wagnerrp: the only tuner we use directly is the HDHomeRun, everything else gets run through the V4L and DVB interfaces
[16:22:52] devinheitmueller: Hmmm... The stuff I'm reading suggests that this is indeed an issue with Ubuntu Studio 9.10.
[16:23:12] justinh: ubuntu studio? ... googles
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[16:23:51] devinheitmueller: dert_: ok, here's what to do. Change that line from "init_MUTEX" to "semaphore_init" and it should start to work.
[16:23:55] justinh: wonder if that ships with pulseaudio :P
[16:24:06] devinheitmueller: specifically it's an RT kernel issue.
[16:24:16] devinheitmueller: http://communities.vmware.com/message/1424892#1424892
[16:24:27] devinheitmueller: Yes, I know it's not for linuxtv, but it should still be applicable.
[16:27:29] dert_: where do I change that line? which file?
[16:27:44] dert_: I know where the directory is...just the file
[16:27:50] azlon: how does mythtv want the videos to be structured? is it ok to use /movies/moviename/movie.avi and /tv shows/showname/season 1/showname.avi?
[16:28:16] devinheitmueller: dert_: http://communities.vmware.com/message/1424892#1424892
[16:28:22] devinheitmueller: doh, sorry
[16:28:31] devinheitmueller: dert_: /home/macdaddyo/v4l-dvb/v4l/dvb_frontend.c
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[16:37:34] dert_: running.....
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[16:38:30] dert_: oh wait...it's frontend o
[16:38:38] dert_: hold on one sec
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[16:43:55] stevieman: Need a quick bit of advise, are ATI based cards harder to get to work then Nvidia cards? I've only ever used Nvidia cards.
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[16:45:26] curtlee: I found a very simple solution to my dsp1/dsp2 flip-flop problem
[16:45:27] dert_: 2 instances of MUTEX, first error cleared...cleared 2nd instance...runing again
[16:45:31] dert_: looks GOOD
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[16:46:04] dert_: Devin, my next chlld will be named after you if this works
[16:46:28] curtlee: in the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf file, I simply changed options cx88_alsa index=2
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[16:46:37] dert_: (too bad I just had that procedure though...lol)
[16:46:37] curtlee: damn paste
[16:47:15] curtlee: I changed the index from -2 to 2 so now it is alway /dev/dsp2
[16:47:36] curtlee: the -2 just makes sure it isn't set to card0
[16:48:09] devinheitmueller: Another satisfied customer.
[16:48:15] curtlee: hahahha
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[16:50:58] dert_: well that worked
[16:51:04] dert_: I'll be a monkey's uncle
[16:51:07] dert_: eee eee
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[16:58:00] justinh: stevieman: fwiw I'd avoid ATI if you can if you need hardware accelerated video decoding
[16:58:29] curtlee: I disagree
[16:58:48] justinh: I said if you need hardware accelerated video decoding. VAAPI hasn't reached mythtv yet
[16:59:02] curtlee: oh, okay
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[16:59:09] curtlee: I see what you mean
[16:59:36] stevieman: justinh: I need hardware accelerated video so I guess I'll try trading this card for something by nvidia
[16:59:37] justinh: but without hw video decoding you should be fine so long as ATI's driver is up to snuff with the card you've got. YMMV
[17:01:24] ** justinh wonders what kind of hardware we'll need to play HDTV's replacement **
[17:01:54] iamlindoro: The expensive kind
[17:02:00] curtlee: I just have the cheap onboard Radeon X1200. Works well with the opensource driver
[17:02:24] justinh: heh I expect the expensive kind we can't even buy yet let alone pray for it to be supported in linux ;)
[17:02:26] curtlee: 1080p seems fine
[17:02:35] wagnerrp: justinh: oh dont worry, you wont be able to play it
[17:02:39] wagnerrp: silly open source users...
[17:02:44] justinh: curtlee: that's cos your CPU is doing the decoding
[17:02:54] wagnerrp: content is for moguls
[17:03:05] justinh: wagnerrp: oh yeah I forgot about that. open source software will be outlawed in 2014
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[17:03:14] curtlee: no, mythfrontend is only about 10%
[17:03:32] iamlindoro: Whatever you are playing, it's still all being done in CPU
[17:03:34] justinh: and the ISPs, owned by the same companies who own the movie studios will block OSS downloads
[17:03:50] ** justinh is relentlessly optimistic, as you can tell **
[17:03:50] curtlee: but I guess it would matter what video you are watching
[17:04:09] justinh: curtlee: absolutely
[17:04:25] justinh: I doubt you're running 1080p AVC at only 10% CPU
[17:04:35] justinh: maybe *displaying* the video at 1080P, sure
[17:04:48] curtlee: I transcode every video I get with a handbrake script I wrote
[17:04:49] wagnerrp: justinh: its 1080p at 750kbps
[17:04:52] justinh: and then the graphics card *is* actually helping by doing the scaling for you AFAIK
[17:05:10] justinh: wagnerrp: eeeeeeew
[17:05:20] justinh: wow! looks like comcast :D
[17:05:34] curtlee: i'm not a good example since all my video files are the same
[17:05:46] justinh: or whoever the block-o-vision cableco is these days
[17:06:21] justinh: curtlee: low on HDD space so there's just a bunch of symlinks to the same file? aww
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[17:06:54] curtlee: hahahahhaha
[17:06:56] curtlee: hahahah
[17:07:02] justinh: hey, way to save spave storing the box sets of Quantum Leap though
[17:07:06] justinh: *space
[17:07:28] Maliuta: I seem to be having a problem with mythcommflag failing and giving "QSqlQuery::exec: database not open" and "Driver not loaded" when it is run from the CLI (or a script). Anyone able to help?
[17:08:00] justinh: Maliuta: running it as a user for whom there are no db credentials files in ~/.mythtv/ ?
[17:08:57] curtlee: /dev/mapper/vg-lv 2.3T 2.0T 122G 95% /media/storage
[17:09:06] curtlee: I am a little low
[17:09:14] Maliuta: justinh: no, I am running it as the same user ('mythtv') that runs the frontend and can read all the files in the .mythtv dir
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[17:09:47] justinh: Maliuta: may help to show the whole output in a pastebin
[17:11:24] Maliuta: justinh: I know that mythcommflag is called by the backed with success, and the backend is run by the same user
[17:11:34] Maliuta: justinh: http://pastebin.ca/1889307 is the fail
[17:12:12] wagnerrp: perhaps your backend init script is forcing it to a different $HOME directory, and different database configs
[17:13:34] Maliuta: justinh: http://pastebin.ca/1889308 is the mysql config file
[17:15:50] Maliuta: wagnerrp: nope. it's running it out of the same dir I'm looking at
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[17:17:48] avajon: are dvb-s2 channels working in mythtv (0.23)? i can't find only dvb-s channels, but scan-s2 finds dvb-s2 channels. (Astra 19.2E)
[17:20:39] Maliuta: gah! it's even getting a successful DB connection, closing it, and then trying to use an invalid resource
[17:23:25] Maliuta: for anyone interested I just ran a mythcommflag with '-v database'. output is at http://pastebin.ca/1889318
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[17:36:13] azlon: will mythtv automatically download all of the extra stuff like posters, banners, trailers and whatnot? or do i have to set something up for this?
[17:36:38] wagnerrp: in trunk, yes
[17:36:49] wagnerrp: in 0.23, you have to manually hit 'w' on each
[17:37:00] gbee: avajon waited around for an answer then ...
[17:37:00] azlon: hrmm
[17:37:10] wagnerrp: or you can set up JAMU
[17:37:18] azlon: jamu?
[17:37:23] wagnerrp: jamu
[17:37:29] azlon: ok, googling
[17:37:49] gbee: I would have told him that yes MythTV supports DVB-S2, but only a fraction of the DVB-S2 channels on 19.2E are FTA
[17:38:56] wagnerrp: you expected more out of 'Java user'?
[17:39:01] sid3windr: jamoooooooo
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[17:41:11] wagnerrp: austria... ive never actually see in that TLD before
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[17:45:26] Beirdo: que?
[17:45:34] Beirdo: wagnerrp: what was that in English?
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[17:45:45] wagnerrp: ?
[17:46:03] Beirdo: ive never actually see in that TLD before
[17:46:05] Beirdo: ?!
[17:46:08] wagnerrp: '.at'
[17:46:26] Beirdo: I know, I'm just being a grammar dork :)
[17:46:38] wagnerrp: oh
[17:46:40] Beirdo: I've even BEEN in that TLD before :)
[17:46:42] wagnerrp: s/see in/seen/
[17:46:59] Beirdo: in Vienna and Salzburg :)
[17:47:17] Beirdo: yeah, it's not too common to see on this side of the pond
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[17:51:19] Beirdo: BTW, my mythbox is deader than Elvis, it seems
[17:51:39] Beirdo: serves me right for trying to add RAM and a new video card
[17:51:50] Beirdo: now it won't even get to the BIOS.
[17:52:02] iamlindoro: Adding them is fine, you just shouldn't have used a hammer
[17:52:07] Beirdo: hehe
[17:52:18] Beirdo: I'm thinking of using a baseball bat on it now
[17:52:28] Beirdo: or a sledgehammer
[17:52:34] Beirdo: that can be a lot of fun
[17:52:36] iamlindoro: homeowners insurance, hopefully ;)
[17:52:50] iamlindoro: "there was a localized earthquake, it 'fell!'"
[17:52:57] Beirdo: hehe
[17:53:12] iamlindoro: And that computer case is where I stored my Picassos!
[17:53:13] Beirdo: I farted and caused a seismic event?
[17:53:41] Beirdo: ah well, I'll live...
[17:53:42] wagnerrp: elvis isnt dead, he just went home
[17:53:53] Beirdo: well, this computer went home too
[17:54:15] Beirdo: Elvis is probably surfing the web with it now
[17:54:28] azlon: ok, i pressed W to update several video files... how can i watch the trailers?
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[17:58:27] ** Beirdo is actually in a Metallica mood today **
[17:59:19] azlon: how can i list devices to see if my remote is detected? i thought it was cat /proc/bus/usb/devices
[17:59:44] Beirdo: you mean lsusb?
[17:59:48] azlon: ah yes!
[18:00:08] azlon: Beirdo, hrmm... that didnt list the devices...
[18:00:25] Beirdo: it will list all the devices on the USB busses
[18:00:51] Beirdo: Bus 005 Device 025: ID 05ac:1292 Apple, Inc. iPhone 3G
[18:00:54] Beirdo: heh
[18:01:04] azlon: Beirdo, http://www.pastebin.org/358736
[18:01:05] Beirdo: including the iPhone I'm charging
[18:01:14] azlon: hrmm
[18:01:23] azlon: interesting... so i guess my remote isnt found then...
[18:01:24] Beirdo: then you have nothing hooked to the USB, it seems
[18:01:32] azlon: well crap
[18:01:37] azlon: time to dig... thanks!
[18:01:41] Beirdo: good luck
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[18:30:13] azlon: is there an known issue with the miro plugin? it keeps giving me an error every time i open the mythbuntu coltrol center
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[18:32:06] iamlindoro: azlon: Sounds like you want #mythbuntu
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[18:42:00] azlon: is there a plugin to automatically rename and move a newly downloaded avi file?
[18:42:15] wagnerrp: rename it from what?
[18:43:37] azlon: rename it for being easier to read
[18:44:01] azlon: like, when i download something it has periods and hdtv and xvid and all kinds of other crap i dont want
[18:44:02] jams: believe it's called myth_do_it_yourself
[18:44:09] azlon: lol
[18:44:32] azlon: well i was hoping there was an app similar to metadata for windows
[18:44:57] wagnerrp: you mean like... strip all the resolution and release group crap out of the name?
[18:45:14] azlon: yeah
[18:45:20] azlon: nm, looks like JAMU does all of that
[18:45:37] wagnerrp: yeah, here at MythTV, we prefer not to aid in the online theft of video content
[18:46:02] azlon: yeah, well if i could do it the right way i would
[18:46:04] skd5aner: unless you cut wagnerrp a check, then he'll do it... ya know, for the money
[18:46:16] azlon: unfortunately i'm deployed in the middle of the f'n desert
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[18:46:46] skd5aner: azlon: mv oldfilename.ext newfilename.ext ?
[18:47:10] azlon: skd5aner, yeah, i can do it by hand, i was just looking for some automation
[18:47:32] azlon: anyway, i'll fart with it more tomorrow...
[18:47:35] skd5aner: np, good luck
[18:47:39] azlon: thanks for everybody's help today
[18:47:43] skd5aner: also, if you're serving... thank you!
[18:48:00] azlon: np ;)
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[18:49:33] ** skd5aner has 0 motivation today **
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[18:52:30] dustybin: my joggler running mythtv is _excellent_
[18:52:53] dustybin: a handy little device indeed
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[19:03:51] wagnerrp: Beirdo: per the SQL questions a while back, i think i found a good way to manage it
[19:04:39] wagnerrp: if the class is using a single field for indexing, and that single field is listed in the database as an 'auto_increment', key off the returned value
[19:04:59] wagnerrp: otherwise, assume the user has specified the necessary data in the object already to key off of
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[19:49:34] justinh: oh yay. new star warsey family guy coming to bbc3 soon
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[19:49:53] Beirdo: wagnerrp: cool
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[19:55:43] dustybin: ive just realised i have no BBC4
[19:55:52] dustybin: mythtv didnt grab it when i scanned
[19:56:03] ** dustybin feels scared **
[19:57:04] Beirdo: heh
[19:57:50] justinh: like you watch anything on BBC4 anyway
[20:00:20] dustybin: justinh: BBC4 used to show excellent stuf
[20:00:21] dustybin: f
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[20:01:38] dustybin: heyu show aliases
[20:01:41] dustybin: alias bedroom_fan B1 StdAM
[20:01:46] dustybin: heyu on B1
[20:01:46] dustybin: :D
[20:02:06] justinh: ruh?
[20:02:24] dustybin: i switched my fan on without moving
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[20:03:09] oneman: If anyone is interested in alpha testing the network control of FiOS TV STB's please come to irc://irc.freenode.net/#fiostv
[20:03:43] jams: well that sounds interesing
[20:03:50] dustybin: i need to figure out how to get a mythtv frontend to activate a script on my backend to switch on/off X10
[20:04:09] wagnerrp: dustybin: use the event system
[20:04:16] dustybin: wagnerrp: i cannot seem to figure it out
[20:04:26] dustybin: wagnerrp: i already have menu options
[20:04:27] wagnerrp: you can define up to 10 custom events, and map those to keypresses in the frontend
[20:04:34] dustybin: oh
[20:04:52] dustybin: wagnerrp: where are the scripts stored on the backend?
[20:05:02] Beirdo: MythLazyPerson plugin?
[20:05:30] wagnerrp: dustybin: where ever you tell the backend they are
[20:05:35] dustybin: wagnerrp: my joggler doesnt have a remote, just touch screen, can i do it with menu options
[20:05:51] justinh: bleugh
[20:05:54] wagnerrp: you can map them to gestures
[20:06:00] justinh: menu xml hacking? meh
[20:06:08] dustybin: justinh: i already hacked the menu
[20:08:09] dustybin: Now it is possible for the end user to tap into a number of events as well as defining up to ten keypress events.
[20:10:42] dustybin: i need to run mythtv-setup to get this working
[20:11:51] dustybin: i might as well re-scan my channels
[20:11:58] ** dustybin turns off chilli v spain **
[20:12:44] justinh: hey why not turn your event thing to something where it outputs every single thing you do into this channel?
[20:13:25] justinh: people do it for twitter, why not IRC too :O
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[20:18:38] justinh: look at the state of this http://twitter.com/#search?q=mythtv – no better if you search for the #mythtv hashtag
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[20:19:25] Beirdo: justinh: you really are crazy :)
[20:20:14] justinh: and? :)
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[20:38:32] dustybin: i have re-scanned channels, and now have setup some events, time to test
[20:38:43] dustybin: </twit>
[20:39:01] dustybin: am i right in thinking that 1 on the remote will activate my script?
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[20:39:28] dustybin: nope it changed the channel
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[20:42:59] dustybin: if one scans channel icons, does one need to copy those icons to each and every frontend used?
[20:43:16] sphery: nope
[20:43:23] EvilGuru: dustybin: No
[20:43:25] dustybin: where are my icons..
[20:43:27] dustybin: strange
[20:43:36] EvilGuru: dustybin: Took a day or so for my frontend
[20:43:43] dustybin: why?
[20:43:43] sphery: backend needs read permission
[20:43:55] sphery: as well as frontend
[20:44:12] ** dustybin feels confused **
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[20:44:20] dustybin: maybe a frontend reboot might resolve
[20:46:42] dustybin: didnt work
[20:47:49] dustybin: 'Once downloaded you should put the resulting JPEG files into .mythtv/channels/ for the user running the front-end. '
[20:47:59] dustybin: right so i do need to copy them over
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[20:48:04] [R]: dustybin: no
[20:48:12] dustybin: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Channel_icons
[20:48:14] [R]: dustybin: mythtv-setup downloaded them to ~/.mythtv/channels... they exist there
[20:48:22] [R]: ?
[20:48:29] dustybin: i run mythtv-setup on my backend
[20:48:31] dustybin: not the frontend
[20:48:35] [R]: and...
[20:48:39] [R]: [01:48:14] [R] dustybin: mythtv-setup downloaded them to ~/.mythtv/channels... they exist there
[20:48:41] [R]: ?
[20:48:58] dustybin: so that means the icons have been downloaded on my backend what my frontend doesnt have access to
[20:49:10] [R]: how hard is it to answer a question
[20:49:11] [R]: yes or no
[20:49:15] [R]: seriously
[20:50:23] dustybin: i have found them
[20:50:32] dustybin: drwxr-xr-x 2 mythtv users 4096 2010-06–25 21:27 channels
[20:50:42] [R]: and the icons are there?
[20:50:46] dustybin: yes they are
[20:50:51] [R]: and what is the full path?
[20:51:17] dustybin: /home/mythtv/.mythtv/channels
[20:51:25] [R]: and is that path writeable on your frontend?
[20:52:14] dustybin: for the mythtv user?
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[20:52:26] [R]: whatever user on your frontend
[20:52:41] dustybin: i will create some test files
[20:53:12] dustybin: yes
[20:53:28] [R]: weird, the frontend should be downlaoding the icons from your backend automatically into that path
[20:54:05] dustybin: nothing is there
[20:54:34] dustybin: i will now check the joggler!
[20:54:56] ** justinh burns his joggler **
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[20:56:28] dustybin: i just rebooted joggler
[20:56:32] dustybin: no icons on that either
[20:56:45] dustybin: could this be the work of a virus?
[20:57:13] [R]: what is a joggler
[20:57:30] justinh: dustybin: a virus on linux? are you kidding?
[20:57:45] justinh: unless you mean norovirus & it's affecting your linux-fu
[20:57:57] dustybin: come on, im jokign
[20:58:33] justinh: [R]: dirt cheap 7" touchscreen appliance thingy which can run linux. tethered to power forever – no battery & that's its only real downside
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[20:59:25] dustybin: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5505251/frontend2.jpg
[21:00:27] justinh: eew
[21:00:35] justinh: I wouldn't drink from that cup if you paid me
[21:01:44] dustybin: the mythtv interface looks excellent on it
[21:01:55] dustybin: much better than my crt
[21:02:02] sid3windr: but it's not meant to be used with touchscreen is it
[21:02:08] sid3windr: the interface I mean
[21:02:11] justinh: mythcenter never looks good on anything though
[21:02:13] dustybin: sid3windr: it works fine with easystroke
[21:02:19] sid3windr: wtf is easystroke
[21:02:23] justinh: a lotion :P
[21:02:24] sid3windr: does it give you a stroke easily? ;)
[21:02:28] sid3windr: justinh: =)
[21:02:29] dustybin: justinh: mythcenter is my favourite theme, who created it?
[21:02:31] sid3windr: "or that"
[21:02:59] sid3windr: I'm on blootube-wide.
[21:03:00] sid3windr: :P
[21:03:06] sid3windr: wonder what idiot created THAT
[21:03:12] dustybin: :O
[21:03:14] sid3windr: ;)
[21:03:18] justinh: blootube-wide sucks & was created by a retard. apparently
[21:03:25] sid3windr: I thank the person who upped it into .22/.23 land
[21:03:27] sid3windr: :-)
[21:03:36] dustybin: i would rather try and track down the guy who created archlight...
[21:03:37] ** KjetilK is looking forward to Power-over-Ethernet powered devices that can do 1080i **
[21:03:39] sid3windr: think it's a really really nice theme :)
[21:03:40] sid3windr: hehe
[21:03:49] sid3windr: poe ftw
[21:04:03] KjetilK: with Atom Z6xx, it seems to be happening RSN...
[21:04:06] kormoc: KjetilK, nothing like costing an extra $250 to get rid of a power cable
[21:04:09] justinh: IT Crowd time
[21:04:13] dustybin: WOW
[21:04:40] KjetilK: kormoc, hehe, well, gotta pay for the nice stuff :-)
[21:04:48] dustybin: Hauppauge Nova-T 500 0 The IT Crowd: The Final Countdown
[21:04:53] dustybin: just in time
[21:05:09] KjetilK: of course, a nuclear powered 1080i device with no cables at all would be even nicer ;-
[21:05:12] KjetilK: )
[21:06:44] dustybin: all this flaffing around i could of manually copied the icons by now
[21:06:49] ** dustybin tars **
[21:07:20] ** justinh feathers **
[21:07:50] sid3windr: KjetilK: atom does not really mean much if you want HD .. need a nice accelerated video chip :)
[21:08:03] ** sid3windr ruffles **
[21:08:25] KjetilK: sid3windr, oh, really, I thought the Z6xx series took care of that?
[21:08:48] sid3windr: Z6xx have internal gpu?
[21:08:54] sid3windr: I didn't follow, apparently ;/
[21:09:21] sid3windr: ah
[21:09:22] dustybin: the plot thickens, i still dont have icons :-S
[21:09:23] sid3windr: they're moorestown
[21:09:29] sid3windr: that's just... gma600 chipset
[21:09:31] sid3windr: aka "still ass"
[21:09:34] sid3windr: excuse my french ;)
[21:09:56] sid3windr: that's the same videochip as gma500 but somewhat higher clockspeed
[21:10:10] KjetilK: hmmm, ok
[21:10:19] sid3windr: still no linux driver either
[21:10:20] KjetilK: so "don't trust them"?
[21:10:28] sid3windr: it's the same video card :[
[21:10:50] KjetilK: the importance of Android is likely to fix the driver issue, I think
[21:11:33] sid3windr: I don't think so
[21:13:11] KjetilK: It is also interesting the stuff Freescale is doing on ARM
[21:13:41] KjetilK: they claim to be running 720p on a very low-power CPU/GPU
[21:14:08] dustybin: i need to get some basics right here
[21:14:24] justinh: wow that's lame. I hear STBs can do 1080P on like a 200Mhz CPU & some fancy decoder chip
[21:14:27] dustybin: should ever frontend be logged in as the mythtv user?
[21:14:36] dustybin: *y
[21:14:54] justinh: my frontend is not logged in as the mythtv user
[21:15:24] dustybin: should the backend be logged in as the mythtv user?
[21:15:42] justinh: I dunno what do the slackware mythtv thingies say?
[21:15:56] dustybin: slackware runs the backend as root user
[21:16:02] justinh: ! ouch
[21:16:09] KjetilK: justinh, yeah, but would that thing be suitable for building into a thin screen?
[21:16:43] dustybin: i bet i have turned off a tick in one of the thousand menu options what disables icons
[21:16:44] justinh: KjetilK: er who cares? :)
[21:16:52] KjetilK: I do :-)
[21:17:24] KjetilK: just imagine, a screen with Myth in every room, powered by PoE... :-)
[21:17:34] justinh: oh well wait a sec... they do TVs which have integrated 1080P h,264 decoding
[21:17:42] justinh: no PoE though
[21:17:51] KjetilK: yeah, they tend to draw 90W
[21:17:51] justinh: bit much to expect 200W over PoE
[21:18:00] KjetilK: right, or 200W :-)
[21:18:04] sid3windr: :)
[21:18:18] KjetilK: 12 watts is more like it
[21:18:19] sid3windr: esp as poe is 48V
[21:18:19] sid3windr: :p
[21:18:31] KjetilK: then you can do legacy PoE
[21:20:30] dustybin: ok, i just loaded the frontend on my backend box, the icons appear
[21:20:38] dustybin: maybe i need to run mythtv-setup on each frontend
[21:21:09] sphery: dustybin: the problem is almost definitely that you've put the icons in some user's home directory and the other user (running either the frontend or backend) can't access them there
[21:21:20] sphery: so permissions
[21:21:55] dustybin: aye ok
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[21:35:46] dustybin: at last icons work
[21:36:12] dustybin: icons look sexy on the joggler :D
[21:36:37] ** dustybin feels excited **
[21:38:24] EvilGuru: Hmm, I've got no listings for Virgin1+1, but it is in my xmltv file and my myth database
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[21:42:50] high-rez: In trunk, I see a bug where after some time the program will get choppy and audio sync will go crazy. If I pause the video and then unpause it everything is cheerful again. Anyone know if this is a known issue ?
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[21:44:31] clever: high-rez: sounds more like the system is a tad underpowered and just needs a break to catch up
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[21:44:59] clever: i get similar stuff when my cpu usage is maxing out and things start to swap alot (2 seperate problems that get worse together)
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[21:45:49] high-rez: clever: Not so much – 0.23 doesn't exhibit this behavior. All of the video is offloaded to vdpau – frontend usage is like at a few percent.
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[21:46:15] clever: high-rez: is cpu freq scaling enabled?
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[21:46:43] high-rez: clever: Nope
[21:46:50] clever: not sure then
[21:47:12] high-rez: I'd load it up in gdb but I don't even know where to add a breakpoint :D
[21:47:16] clever: my best guess is that maybe trunk is needing more cpu/ram then 0.23 and thus, a more powerfull system
[21:47:26] clever: it sounds more like a job for oprofile
[21:49:08] high-rez: I can't imagine the circumstnace under which trunk would run find for hours, then get all choppy/out of sync due to a CPU hickup, especially when CPU usage is relatively low due to VDPAU offload. I guess that could be the case, but it ewould still seem like a bug : -)
[21:49:37] EvilGuru: oprofile is a gem of a tool
[21:50:14] clever: high-rez: the only other thing i can think of that might help is some way to view the buffer fill% for vdpau
[21:50:24] clever: see if the frontend isnt feeding it mpeg data fast enough
[21:50:40] clever: it might be some timers not firing often enough or something
[21:50:40] justinh: EvilGuru: looking at the right time period?
[21:50:50] justinh: virgin1 +1 isn't 24h IIRC
[21:51:40] justinh: whoah I've not got any data for it either
[21:52:52] EvilGuru: justinh: Just looked it up on Wikipedia, it died on Jun 1st
[21:53:16] EvilGuru: No more channel 35 by the looks of things
[21:53:49] justinh: ahhh freeview lineup changes. dontcha just love em
[21:54:13] AndyCap: justinh: how do the regular boxed handle them?
[21:54:30] EvilGuru: I remember some time ago when Virgin1 became Virgin1+1 (so far as mplex and service id went), was...interesting
[21:54:40] justinh: the lineup has changed. you must rescan.. do you want to rescan now? Y/Y
[21:54:52] AndyCap: justinh: ah, not too great. :)
[21:55:08] dustybin: EvilGuru: are you looking forward to HD freeview channels working on myth
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[21:55:22] dustybin: *tv cards i mean
[21:55:31] justinh: dustybin: people need to look fwd to dvb-t2 tuners first
[21:55:34] EvilGuru: dustybin: I am first looking forward to: a dual Freeview HD tuner (T2) coming out
[21:55:44] dustybin: aye indeed
[21:55:57] justinh: and even hauppauge, who saw mention of one coming 'this summer' on their own forums seem to have deleted the thread
[21:56:02] dustybin: will hauppauge be the first guys?
[21:56:07] EvilGuru: Hauppauge will probably come out with one as soon as there is a -T2 ASIC
[21:56:15] dustybin: ok
[21:56:16] justinh: even that was just a single tuner – which is fine – there's only ONE dvb-t2 mux anyway
[21:56:27] justinh: and likely only ever will be one HD mux
[21:56:33] dustybin: as soon as that time comes, and there is a working linux driver, it will be one step closer to me swapping my tv :D
[21:56:46] EvilGuru: But they often make very silly decisions with their boards: no PCI-e, often full size, with only one connector etc
[21:56:46] justinh: give it a year or so
[21:57:07] justinh: EvilGuru: the one which was rumoured was USB
[21:57:16] justinh: dvb-t2 stick. bleugh
[21:57:35] EvilGuru: justinh: Maybe they will bundle it with a USB-PCIe bridge chip
[21:58:02] justinh: perhaps
[21:58:07] dustybin: are you looking forward to England beating Germany on Sunday?
[21:58:11] justinh: lol
[21:58:13] EvilGuru: I still need to get my Nova-S2 set up; was going to get an HVR4000 but they make -T and -S mutually exclusive
[21:58:27] justinh: more like looking fwd to everybody shutting the heck up about the world cup of soccer
[21:58:41] AndyCap: bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
[21:58:42] EvilGuru: dustybin: It is better for the economy if we lose
[21:58:48] justinh: once england lose in the most humiliating way possible
[21:59:06] EvilGuru: Plus it will hopefully stop the moron next door with one of those trumpets from annoying me
[21:59:07] justinh: notice I said england there not 'we'
[21:59:15] dustybin: haha
[21:59:39] justinh: I decided to call myself British after all. no longer English
[22:00:04] justinh: I have no alliance with the proles who put england flags on their cars. And on their faces.. and on their houses
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[22:00:37] EvilGuru: I'm for a flag-on-car reverse-tax rebate
[22:00:47] dustybin: i have a red cross on the back of my laptop
[22:00:51] dustybin: lid
[22:00:55] justinh: more flags, more tax you pay? sounds good
[22:01:14] justinh: EvilGuru: daily mail would have a field day
[22:01:33] EvilGuru: justinh: No, no, reverse tax rebate; totally different thing (if you are illiterate, which most flag-on-car people are)
[22:02:09] EvilGuru: the mail is one above conservapedia in my books
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[22:02:33] justinh: EvilGuru: ahh their the one's who don't know which there their they're your you're supposed to use ;)
[22:02:42] dustybin: god there are some boring guest on jonathan ross
[22:03:01] justinh: dustybin: and jonothan ross. like you need a reason to not record it
[22:03:19] EvilGuru: I have £18 millions not to record it
[22:03:24] EvilGuru: *million
[22:03:43] justinh: still, won't be awound for vewy much longer eh
[22:03:48] dustybin: im not a great fan of him, but i like some of the guests what come on
[22:03:50] justinh: contract expires in July :D
[22:04:23] dustybin: haha good
[22:04:24] justinh: last dr who tomorrow too. last ever I hope
[22:04:57] dustybin: shall i use frontend1, joggler or mythweb to program some new tv
[22:05:00] dustybin: decisions decisions
[22:05:03] ** EvilGuru keeps having people talk to him about last weeks episode — and I don't even watch it **
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[22:05:26] EvilGuru: dustybin: mythweb is easier, IMO
[22:05:35] dustybin: i usually use that
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[22:11:36] dustybin: wow kylie
[22:13:32] justinh: meh
[22:14:17] justinh: you wouldn't wanna date her anyway. look what happened to Michael Hutchence
[22:15:12] dustybin: eeek true
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[22:18:17] dustybin: hmm she is rather dull
[22:19:23] justinh: oo PSBs @Glasto
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[22:23:05] EvilGuru: Bah, myweb can't seem to grab my channel icons from the backend
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[22:29:15] dustybin: EvilGuru: check perms + symlink
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[22:35:18] EvilGuru: perms and good
[22:35:46] EvilGuru: symlink!?!
[22:38:28] justinh: nah
[22:43:24] EvilGuru: I'll toy around with it, as my frontends all get the icons okay
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[22:44:11] dustybin: i have setup 2 keypress evens in myth system events
[22:44:15] dustybin: how can i activate those events?
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[22:45:21] dustybin: 'as well as defining up to ten keypress events.' what does that mean? i was not given a option to assign those keys
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[22:51:40] iamlindoro: You assign them the same place you assign every key in myth
[22:52:33] dustybin: right i see!
[22:52:43] dustybin: Edit Keys!!
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[22:53:29] Beirdo: beer!
[22:53:47] Beirdo: let's get excited about something interesting :)
[22:54:32] dustybin: god knows where the mythtv system events keys are
[22:54:41] EvilGuru: Beirdo: peasant juice; now fortified wine, that's something you can set your watch to
[22:55:07] dustybin: FOUND THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:57:22] dustybin: it works!!!!!
[22:57:32] dustybin: i can switch my light on and off from remote :D
[22:58:53] bjd: WELL DONE!!!1111oneoneeleven
[23:00:24] dustybin: this saves me setting up ssh keys to send commands
[23:00:50] bjd: but thats like a 30 sec task?
[23:00:56] dustybin: i wonder if there is a way to activate the keypress from the command line
[23:01:12] dustybin: bjd: ssh keys are insecure in the wrong hands
[23:01:41] bjd: heh
[23:01:43] dustybin: maybe i should setup ssh keys so everything can get backed up properly
[23:01:44] bjd: :)
[23:01:48] dustybin: with rsync
[23:02:11] bjd: but it's insecure in the wrong hands
[23:02:22] dustybin: having X10 menu options looks much more cool then me pressing a remote key
[23:02:41] dustybin: bjd: if its kept within my LAN, i will be ok
[23:03:10] bjd: man, you type so much shit :)
[23:03:12] dustybin: i think a good LAN should use ssh keys to allow easy rsync backups
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[23:03:47] Beirdo: bjd: language :)
[23:03:53] justinh: like I said, myth needs a plugin to come in here & tell everybody what you're doing :D
[23:04:07] bjd: Beirdo: please ... :p
[23:04:09] Beirdo: justinh: nah, we don't want MythTwitter
[23:04:11] dustybin: </twit>
[23:04:16] ** justinh has paused VideoXYZ **
[23:04:27] ** justinh has advanced VideoXYZ one frame **
[23:04:40] ** dustybin corrupts justinh mythconverg and deletes recordings **
[23:04:43] Beirdo: bjd: read the channel rules... swearing is not permitted, although sometimes it does feel good
[23:05:31] bjd: Yeah, i'm familar with them altho it's a bit of a farce :p
[23:05:37] Beirdo: no it isn't
[23:05:47] dustybin: this is a family channel, im 11
[23:06:04] bjd: then you should be in bed at 00:05
[23:07:22] Beirdo: it's barely 4pm here and I'm starting to crash... need more coffee
[23:07:53] iamlindoro: dustybin, He's been warned about the profanity, but that doesn't mean one of us won't kick or ban you for baiting people and/or just making this channel a chore to be in
[23:09:18] bjd: I'm on a number of different networks. An operator on one, so swearing is the least of my worries but yes, I forgot swearing isn't tolerated here.
[23:09:37] bjd: Personally swearing is A-OK by me so long as it isn't abusive
[23:10:26] iamlindoro: Oh well, that's the price of hanging out in a channel you don't operate, I guess :)
[23:10:43] bjd: s/channel/network :p
[23:17:23] iamlindoro: makes no difference
[23:17:50] iamlindoro: We'll abide by your rules on your channel/network/private island, you'll abide by ours here
[23:19:05] bjd: I generally do.
[23:19:28] iamlindoro: then we'll only kick/ban you when you generally don't :)
[23:19:55] bjd: Apologies for the slight profanity, but I guess you can understand the frustration with the channels resident troll.
[23:20:03] iamlindoro: I can indeed
[23:20:10] iamlindoro: which is why I personally warned him and not you :)
[23:20:38] iamlindoro: FWIW my patience with him will one day wear thin
[23:20:57] kormoc: everyone should /ignore ALL dustybin
[23:21:12] bjd: or save everyone the effort and ban ;)
[23:21:19] bjd: Seriously.
[23:21:53] bjd: I don't get this /ignore business if he manages to annoy more than 20% of the channel
[23:23:25] kormoc: bjd, people come out of the wood work arguing that we're being unfair/etc
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[23:24:12] bjd: mmm
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