| Friday, June 18th, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:35] | skd5aner: | kormoc: that's the plan, just saying – this TV isn't going anywhere soon, so I've got to come up with a solution to last me at least probably a year or 2 |
| [00:01:09] | skd5aner: | rhollan: exactly, when I replace this TV, it's going to another room :) |
| [00:01:49] | skd5aner: | rhollan: I'd be fine with component – it's just that there aren't any current gen VDPAU cards with component-out :( |
| [00:02:01] | rhollan: | well, VGA than. |
| [00:02:01] | skd5aner: | I'm hooking the VGA cable up now, brb |
| [00:02:39] | rhollan: | it might be worth getting a decent VGA cable. at video signal frequencies the cable matters because it is essentially a transmission line. |
| [00:03:05] | rhollan: | Forget monster Cable. Consider Blue Jeans Cable. |
| [00:04:17] | rhollan: | http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/rgbhv/index.htm |
| [00:05:11] | skd5aner: | rhollan: yea, I've already got a stock-pile of pretty good cables, and no, not monster or any other rip off |
| [00:05:36] | skd5aner: | monoprice, etc |
| [00:05:59] | rhollan: | I've had good luck with Blue Jeans Cable... or building my own. |
| [00:06:19] | skd5aner: | but just hooked up a nice thick gauge VGA cable up, now time to mess with xorg.conf |
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| [00:12:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | woops. |
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| [00:14:55] | Joebu23: | I am having an issue using mythtranscode to compress HD video. It fails everytime but will compress SD video fine. Any ideas? |
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| [00:19:00] | Joebu23: | Oh, using myth .23 and have upgraded to the latest ffmpeg SVN-r23619 |
| [00:22:18] | wagnerrp: | what good would ffmpeg do? |
| [00:22:26] | Beirdo: | pheld is an IPv6 user, it seems |
| [00:23:32] | Joebu23: | unless I'm mistaken, myth uses ffmpeg in mythtranscode doesn't it? |
| [00:24:13] | Beirdo: | no, you are mistaken... it uses ffmpeg code, but as snapshotted in our own libraries |
| [00:24:19] | wagnerrp: | no, myth uses libav, which are the same set of drivers that run ffmpeg, and are created by the ffmpeg project |
| [00:24:27] | wagnerrp: | but it does not call 'ffmpeg' directly |
| [00:24:44] | Beirdo: | right. that's a better explanation :) |
| [00:24:47] | wagnerrp: | and what beirdo said, we do an internal sync with libav every couple months |
| [00:25:16] | Joebu23: | ahh, thanks for the clarification. anyway, the machine will not transcode HD video |
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| [00:26:31] | Joebu23: | SD compresses fine to MPEG4, however the HD stuff will start and then fail with a '139 error' |
| [00:27:23] | wagnerrp: | are you intending to downscale it? |
| [00:27:49] | Joebu23: | yes – simply trying to make the video's file size smaller so that I can fit more |
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| [00:28:13] | wagnerrp: | not make it smaller in bitsize, make it smaller in dimension |
| [00:28:47] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, if i were actually transcoding, and not just doing lossless cuts |
| [00:28:52] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt use myth's transcoder |
| [00:29:47] | Joebu23: | well I was thinking of that, but I can't find a way (that I could figure out anyway) that would make the file smaller, and replace the original file as well as any needed DB info, automatically |
| [00:30:16] | wagnerrp: | nuvexport? |
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| [00:30:45] | Joebu23: | I can try again, but how to use it automatically and then do the necessary upkeep of the DB? |
| [00:31:21] | Joebu23: | Needs to be manual, as the machine is recording about 22 hours per day. Some HD, some SD |
| [00:31:30] | Joebu23: | I mean to say it needs to be automatic |
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| [00:35:52] | Joebu23: | don't need commercial cutting and such, just straight up compression to save space. video quality also is not super important. |
| [00:36:15] | nichos: | hi all, im having trouble w/my mythtv. I had a power failure, the machine came back up and it said all tuners were busy. I deleted them all, now when I try to re-add it, it doesn't give me the "adapter0" option |
| [00:36:27] | nichos: | it's been running fine for months |
| [00:36:53] | Joebu23: | did you try to manually type in the /dev/adapter0 in the option list box? |
| [00:37:03] | Joebu23: | had to do that with mine |
| [00:37:22] | nichos: | I didn't have to do that the first time, but at any rate, I'm unable to type in that field |
| [00:38:30] | Joebu23: | make sure the selector at the top of the page is on the correct type of card. (had that happen to me) |
| [00:38:49] | Joebu23: | what card is it? |
| [00:39:45] | wagnerrp: | why bother transcoding until youve clipped commercials |
| [00:39:51] | nichos: | HVR-2250, the driver is saa7164, is loaded |
| [00:39:54] | wagnerrp: | i mean thats likely to be a good 30–35% space |
| [00:40:34] | nichos: | joebu23, what do you mean, like the "Card type" im selected DVB |
| [00:41:38] | Joebu23: | for most of them, I need to keep commercials (work machine, used to record our own newscasts and competitors – thus the huge amount daily) we need to see commercials and such |
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| [00:57:13] | walstib: | ok, I have a weird one – my mceusb remote dows not work after poweron, but does after wake from standby. Any ideas? |
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| [01:19:06] | Beirdo: | flappy flappy |
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| [01:38:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | UGH... why is something I have setup with a +10 priority recording later??? (Burn Notice) |
| [01:39:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... there's no conflict... one of my HD receivers is sitting here idle right now, when it could be recording BN!!!! AARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!! |
| [01:50:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.... Now I can't watch Burn Notice until tomorrow.... I'm not staying up to 1am for it tonight!!!! GRRRRRRRR |
| [01:52:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | I just deleted my existing recording rule and forced it to 'always record in this timeslot'... grr... |
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| [01:52:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | (and setup the 'repeat' at midnight for today...) |
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| [02:18:46] | Beirdo: | J-e-f-f-A: well that was smart :) |
| [02:18:47] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:27:00] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: Priority doesn't determine when it records when you enable, "Reschedule higher priorities," so much as where it records--i.e. on the best input. I'll bet your system is also using input priorities, right? |
| [02:27:15] | sphery: | (input priorities are evil and that's why) |
| [02:28:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: I figured it out – with a reminder from marc-us — I had "avoid conflicts" enabled.. |
| [02:28:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | <--- dumba___ tonight... |
| [02:28:32] | sphery: | avoid conflicts should only affect Live TV input choice |
| [02:29:46] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: anyway, you probably want to change that timeslot rule... any change in start time and you won't record the show at all (i.e. a 10:01 start time is not the same timeslot as a 10:00 start time) |
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| [02:34:30] | rootrider: | need a sanity check.. have a mythtv box that's been working perfectly for several months and now won't communicate with my HD PVR after a reboot.. |
| [02:35:13] | rootrider: | the hdpvr driver reports the device is on /dev/video6 |
| [02:35:29] | rootrider: | no /dev/video6 exists.. and I can cat video from /dev/video2.. and the hd pvr comes on and appears to work normally |
| [02:35:56] | rootrider: | configured mythtv to use /dev/video2.. but mythbackend outputs MPEGrec (/dev/video2) Error: StartEncoding failed eno: Resource temporarily unavaiable (11) |
| [02:36:13] | rootrider: | the hd pvr was /dev/video2 initially.. has been for months. I rebooted and it moved to /dev/video0... I rebooted again and the driver says it's on /dev/video6, but appears to work on /dev/video2 |
| [02:36:33] | wagnerrp: | it happens |
| [02:36:52] | rootrider: | the device change? |
| [02:36:57] | wagnerrp: | see the pages on the wiki about udev, they describe how to statically map a device to a separate name |
| [02:37:20] | rootrider: | yeah I know that happens... |
| [02:37:40] | rootrider: | I'm much more confused about the driver reporting it's on /dev/video6 when such a device doesn't exist |
| [02:38:15] | rootrider: | I haven't been able to get mythtv to access the hd pvr since that first reboot.. regardless of which device it is |
| [02:38:28] | rootrider: | even though, as far as I can tell, it *is* working |
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| [02:42:04] | rootrider: | so why would mythbackend say the resource is unavailable, when I can cat the device and see it work as expected? |
| [02:46:11] | wagnerrp: | have you restarted the backend to allow it to accept the new device? |
| [02:47:03] | rootrider: | I've restarted just about everything now... power cycled the hd pvr, reloaded the hdpvr driver, restarted mythbackend, the computer, etc. |
| [02:47:21] | rootrider: | I'll restart mythbackend again.. since, at this point, I've forgotten what order things have been done in |
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| [02:48:12] | rootrider: | hrm... why do I have 3 defunct mythfrontend processes... |
| [02:50:01] | rootrider: | mythbackend outputs an error when it starts... ChannelBase(2) Error: InitializeInputs().. says it couldn't get inputs from the capture card |
| [02:50:07] | rootrider: | can't remember if it did this before or not.. |
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| [02:51:45] | Lexridge: | hey room. Okay, I have mythtv 0.23 installed and working. However, I have a very VERY strange problem. When I go to either watch live tv, or watch recordings.....more. |
| [02:52:09] | Lexridge: | I get a Please Wait for many minutes. Unless.... |
| [02:52:26] | Lexridge: | I open Firefox on the second monitor. then mythtv starts the viewing. |
| [02:52:34] | Lexridge: | WTH? |
| [02:52:54] | Lexridge: | any ideas? |
| [02:53:12] | Beirdo: | second monitor? |
| [02:53:27] | rootrider: | hrm... deleted all inputs and now mythbackend doesn't show any errors on startup |
| [02:53:34] | Beirdo: | that sounds odd. |
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| [02:53:37] | rootrider: | err.. deleted all inputs and recreated the one I need.. |
| [02:53:42] | Lexridge: | Its a dual monitor system. A 24" LCD for HD viewing, and a 19" for computer use. |
| [02:54:02] | Lexridge: | Two seperate X sessions |
| [02:54:14] | Beirdo: | no idea what could be causing that kind of interaction, to be honest |
| [02:54:30] | Lexridge: | yea, join the club. Very strange thing |
| [02:54:30] | wagnerrp: | try using the opengl painter |
| [02:54:38] | wagnerrp: | erm... renderer |
| [02:54:42] | Beirdo: | oh? |
| [02:54:43] | wagnerrp: | there are some limitation with Xv |
| [02:54:53] | Beirdo: | that's an Xv issue, potentially? |
| [02:54:54] | Lexridge: | OpenGL Painter? Is that an option in X, or mythtv? |
| [02:55:00] | Beirdo: | learn something new every day :) |
| [02:55:25] | Lexridge: | the Xv option. I remember seeing that somewhere,. |
| [02:55:58] | Beirdo: | hah.. Choose icon for channel 101 |
| [02:56:01] | wagnerrp: | playback profiles |
| [02:56:07] | Beirdo: | nice channel name, THANKS DirecTV |
| [02:57:32] | rootrider: | soo.. restarting mythbackend and removing any extraneous sources in mythtv-setup didn't change anything |
| [02:57:35] | Beirdo: | and now it's asking for BET HD |
| [02:57:53] | Beirdo: | not much on that channel will ever be recorded here |
| [02:58:19] | Beirdo: | SO not my style |
| [02:58:45] | Beirdo: | Let's just say... I'd have a hard time being any whiter. |
| [02:59:09] | Lexridge: | Okay, so this would be in Utilities/Setup/ Tv Settings/Playback? |
| [02:59:10] | rootrider: | heh |
| [02:59:21] | wagnerrp: | stayed indoors in the tropics, eh? |
| [02:59:32] | Beirdo: | meh, I'm a bit tanned |
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| [02:59:51] | wagnerrp: | only 'a bit', whats that a-boot? |
| [03:00:03] | Beirdo: | and the hair on my arms is just starting to not be sun-bleached blond |
| [03:00:14] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [03:00:36] | Beirdo: | BTW, Saturday, I'm gonna watch the Mariners hopefully kick the Reds' butts |
| [03:01:09] | Beirdo: | then a few weeks later, watch the Yankees clobber them |
| [03:01:14] | Beirdo: | the Mariners that is |
| [03:01:21] | rootrider: | mariners? |
| [03:01:22] | rootrider: | heh |
| [03:01:37] | Beirdo: | heh to you too :) I like being in Seattle :) |
| [03:01:48] | rootrider: | meh.. what can I say though.. I stopped caring about the mariners after 2003 or so |
| [03:02:05] | Beirdo: | yeah well |
| [03:02:16] | Beirdo: | baseball's still worth going out to at times |
| [03:02:19] | rootrider: | I like being not *in* seattle.. but close to it :P |
| [03:02:35] | Beirdo: | I live just over a mile from Safeco Field |
| [03:02:48] | rootrider: | beacon hill? |
| [03:02:49] | Beirdo: | I can see it from the balcony. |
| [03:03:03] | Beirdo: | close... South Jackson & 18th |
| [03:03:28] | rootrider: | oh |
| [03:03:40] | Beirdo: | so just south of Beacon Hill, just east of the International District |
| [03:03:42] | rootrider: | I'm in Bothell :) |
| [03:03:43] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:03:44] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [03:03:51] | Beirdo: | I moved here in April |
| [03:04:08] | rootrider: | and wondering wtf mythtbackend isn't communicating with this hdpvr driver |
| [03:04:08] | Beirdo: | from Puerto Rico.... and I really like it here |
| [03:04:09] | rootrider: | gah |
| [03:04:30] | Beirdo: | oh dangit |
| [03:04:41] | Beirdo: | I forgot to put the HDPVR onto the newegg order today |
| [03:04:45] | Beirdo: | I am an IDIOT |
| [03:04:59] | Beirdo: | got everything but |
| [03:05:05] | Beirdo: | que estupido |
| [03:05:26] | Beirdo: | Big Ten Network Overflow HD |
| [03:05:37] | Beirdo: | what kinda crappy channel is THAT? |
| [03:06:09] | Lexridge: | So wagnerrp, was that the correct path for the video profiles? I only ask because the Xv or GL options do not show up there. I guessing that is not right |
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| [03:06:30] | wagnerrp: | playback profiles |
| [03:06:40] | wagnerrp: | you have to go into the one youre using, for the proper resolution |
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| [03:06:48] | wagnerrp: | and edit it to use opengl instead of xv |
| [03:06:58] | Lexridge: | okay, looking for it again |
| [03:07:15] | wagnerrp: | i believe xv has some issues working on multi-head graphics cards |
| [03:08:26] | Beirdo: | choose icon for Cable News Network... |
| [03:08:44] | Beirdo: | heheh CNN needs a trashcan... wonder if they offer that in the array |
| [03:09:12] | Pr3nt1c3: | I've read through a lot of the documentation @mythtv.org... found the page on my dvb-t pc160, tried to follow the advice |
| [03:09:34] | Pr3nt1c3: | and although my card and both tuners are now recognised, I can't seem to tune into any channels |
| [03:10:04] | Pr3nt1c3: | I've googled the heck out of my card, with not much luck... and discovered the ubuntu forums weren't all that much use |
| [03:10:21] | Lexridge: | Playback profiles. Is that the same as playback groups? |
| [03:10:24] | Pr3nt1c3: | anyone know how I can adjust the settings to increase the power to the card? |
| [03:10:26] | [R]: | Pr3nt1c3: whats the backend log say |
| [03:10:38] | [R]: | increase power? |
| [03:11:01] | wagnerrp: | you card is showing up at /dev/dvb/adaptor0? |
| [03:12:54] | Lexridge: | If that is not it, then I cannot find it. Playback Profiles hides itself very well. |
| [03:13:30] | wagnerrp: | its a couple pages back in tv settings --> playback settings |
| [03:14:35] | ** rootrider reboots his box again ** | |
| [03:15:43] | Pr3nt1c3: | not sure... no logs were created... I've just started the whole process of chan-scan now... and set-up a logfile location |
| [03:16:20] | Pr3nt1c3: | and yes, I read _somewhere_ that there's an option to add power into the aerial and have the card act a little like an amplifier |
| [03:17:00] | wagnerrp: | adding power to the aerial doesnt do anything but transmit noise |
| [03:17:14] | wagnerrp: | some cards do have an low power amp to boost a low signal |
| [03:18:00] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp, okay, that is exactly where I was. No Xv or GL options there. I have a screen, that has Current Video Playback Profile set to normal. |
| [03:18:17] | wagnerrp: | and you should see a bunch of 'edit' buttons |
| [03:18:19] | wagnerrp: | click one |
| [03:18:37] | Lexridge: | if I edit "if rez >+1280 720 -> ffmpeg & XVideo |
| [03:18:51] | wagnerrp: | it should list 'xv-blit' near the bottom |
| [03:19:55] | Lexridge: | I get a Decoder field that is set to Standard. My options do include Xv, LibMpeg2 and VDPAU, which my card (gforce 6800) does not support. |
| [03:20:13] | wagnerrp: | leave the decoder alone |
| [03:20:16] | Lexridge: | no OpenGl anywhere to be seen |
| [03:20:30] | wagnerrp: | you want to adjust the field that currently says 'xv-blit' |
| [03:21:06] | Lexridge: | oh, and this. The Video Renderer is set to xv-blit. Okay |
| [03:21:23] | Lexridge: | now, I changed it to opengl |
| [03:22:07] | Lexridge: | however, it does not fix the problem. :( |
| [03:22:23] | wagnerrp: | did you do it for the proper resolution? |
| [03:22:50] | Lexridge: | I think so. I will double check |
| [03:24:17] | Lexridge: | yes, I did it for all |
| [03:24:28] | Lexridge: | and some were set to vdpau |
| [03:24:40] | Lexridge: | I really thought that would take care of it |
| [03:24:49] | Lexridge: | once I saw the vdpau stuff |
| [03:28:31] | Beirdo: | grrrr |
| [03:28:39] | Beirdo: | I hate computers |
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| [03:39:14] | rootrider: | this is really annoying |
| [03:39:31] | rootrider: | I'm inclined to upgrade the installation now.. but I'd prefer to get this working before doing so :| |
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| [03:59:57] | rootrider: | while (1) |
| [04:00:03] | dsfwea23: | is there a way to have the backend rip a dvd using the web interface? Or maybe set one of the FE to rip using the backend dvd drive? |
| [04:00:05] | rootrider: | printf("ugh...\n"); |
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| [04:03:38] | Beirdo: | oops, left one of the million shopping channels in my lineup |
| [04:04:49] | kormoc: | dsfwea23, ssh user@backend "dd if=/dev/dvd of=-" > /path/to/dvd.iso |
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| [04:08:21] | dsfwea23: | kormoc, yeah I have done almost all my dvds as iso.... but myth has some bugs with playing back iso and everyone said to "rip it" inside myth to video files. |
| [04:08:45] | kormoc: | just nfs mount on the frontends, it'll play iso's just fine |
| [04:09:00] | dsfwea23: | correction, most of them play fine. other crash or don't |
| [04:09:20] | kormoc: | they won't rip correctly if they won't play correctly |
| [04:09:31] | kormoc: | you should follow the bug reporting guide and submit bug reports |
| [04:09:32] | dsfwea23: | the dvd menus are what is messed up |
| [04:09:49] | dsfwea23: | so I was told in here to rip them to video files |
| [04:10:46] | ** kormoc shrugs and wonders off ** | |
| [04:10:48] | dsfwea23: | and I was also told by some devs, (sphery maybe) that the NFS mode isn't going to be in myth long. And right now storage groups don't support iso files. |
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| [04:35:57] | sphery: | I wouldn't have said anything about NFS--except maybe that I don't know much of anything about NFS (I can barely spell it) |
| [04:37:35] | jya: | sphery: I switched from NFS to video storage last week, and I have to say that everything is more speedy now.. Especially the loading of the pictures in the themes |
| [04:37:37] | dsfwea23: | sphery, sorry, maybe it was wagnerrp then. I was told it wasn't going to stay in myth long. |
| [04:38:10] | jya: | I'm on gigabit network, yet the images used to take about 1s per item to show up with NFS |
| [04:38:20] | jya: | with the SG, it's almost instant, browsing is much faster |
| [04:38:42] | dsfwea23: | I wish storage groups supported iso files. |
| [04:38:52] | wagnerrp: | you can continue using NFS as long as you like |
| [04:39:06] | wagnerrp: | the internal player will use a local file if its available, rather than pulling over mythproto |
| [04:39:23] | wagnerrp: | i may have said that the future of external player support is dim |
| [04:40:01] | wagnerrp: | as are the old local file definitions for video storage |
| [04:40:57] | jya: | wagnerrp: it does? why would I notice a speed gain after I set the SG then? the NFS mount is still there |
| [04:41:14] | jya: | placebo effect then? |
| [04:41:26] | wagnerrp: | jya: you havent flushed the theme cache, so its pulling the pre-scaled images out of your home directory |
| [04:41:30] | wagnerrp: | ~/.mythtv/themecache |
| [04:41:44] | jya: | looking at the log, when it was fetching some pictures, I definitely doing myth://blah |
| [04:41:57] | wagnerrp: | dont know then, just a guess |
| [04:42:22] | jya: | wagnerrp: I honnestly feel that the cache never worked. because for me going into mythvideo once, or more , it's always the same speed (not fast) |
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| [04:43:48] | wagnerrp: | my machines have no local disk, so its always remote file access regardless of where it pulls from |
| [04:44:04] | dsfwea23: | is there a filename I can put fanart in that would act as the folder's default, similar to folder.png? |
| [04:44:07] | jya: | you boot over the network? |
| [04:44:19] | simcop2387-lap: | holy s*** i just decided to finally try hooking up my directv box to my network after hearing that it can do upnp video stuff, it works, out of the box with mythtv, i no longer have to switch things around on the tv to get to mythtv to watch a recording |
| [04:44:24] | jya: | how fast does that work? |
| [04:44:25] | simcop2387-lap: | you guys rock |
| [04:44:45] | simcop2387-lap: | now to figure out how to route another cable so i can do this permanently |
| [04:45:00] | wagnerrp: | yeah, one machine handing out iscsi shares to two FEs and one SBE/FE, 4GB disk and 1GB swap |
| [04:45:16] | wagnerrp: | works well enough in operation |
| [04:45:23] | wagnerrp: | boot takes maybe 30–35 seconds |
| [04:45:35] | wagnerrp: | but i never reboot them, just put them into standby, so its not much of a concern |
| [04:46:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | jya, all my frontends are diskless, all my 3 slave backends are diskless. all of those except the primary frontend use a single nfsroot image on my fileserver. |
| [04:46:46] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats the bigger thing |
| [04:46:59] | wagnerrp: | all of these machines are sufficiently close hardware they can all run off the same image |
| [04:47:33] | wagnerrp: | any time i want to do updates, i just run all the compiling on the most powerful among them, shuffle a handful of snapshots on the server, and reboot |
| [04:48:01] | wagnerrp: | makes maintenance of multiple machines a lot easier |
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| [04:48:46] | Pr3nt1c3: | ok, I've bought a dvb card which after a week of frustration, just isn't working |
| [04:49:01] | wagnerrp: | also means i can easily run different images for trunk/-fixes |
| [04:49:07] | Pr3nt1c3: | what are the best supported dvb tuner cards? preferably dual tuner cards |
| [04:49:08] | Pr3nt1c3: | ? |
| [04:49:09] | wagnerrp: | just reboot and point it at a different target |
| [04:49:45] | kormoc: | Pr3nt1c3, linuxtv.org is the driver keepers |
| [04:49:54] | wagnerrp: | (or course it just started as me being too cheap to buy additional boot drives) |
| [04:50:52] | Beirdo: | !url tuners |
| [04:50:52] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [04:52:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, I wanted to get rid of the spinning hard drive noise. I have very good hearing. I also like being able to compile once, "sudo make install" once on my nfsroot VM, and just bounce the processes everywhere. |
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| [04:54:37] | wagnerrp: | well so much for that... |
| [04:54:52] | wagnerrp: | jya: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [04:55:48] | jya: | what's that? |
| [04:56:05] | jya: | oh, I did miss stuff |
| [04:56:13] | jya: | internet went done probably |
| [04:56:15] | Captain_Murdoch: | so you can catch up on all the nasty things we said about you while you were gone. |
| [04:56:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | :) |
| [04:57:23] | Beirdo: | umm, it notifies everyone |
| [04:57:46] | Captain_Murdoch: | ?? |
| [04:58:31] | kormoc: | Captain_Murdoch, http://deadon.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/rabbit_pancake.jpg |
| [04:58:42] | Pr3nt1c3: | so... after I d/l the *.fw do I have to do a sudo make install? or is there some sort of script elsewhere that might help? |
| [04:59:44] | jya: | Beirdo: would it be possible to add the little 5.3 work-around so it works natively with older install (running PHP 5.2) ? |
| [05:00:09] | Beirdo: | hmm? |
| [05:00:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | kormoc, that's how I feel, but that's due to lack of sleep. |
| [05:00:25] | Pr3nt1c3: | I've finished following the info available from the site... still nothing, I'll reboot later on today and if it still fails, I'll get a replacement |
| [05:00:27] | Beirdo: | jya: I'm not the one to talk to on that... :) |
| [05:00:52] | Beirdo: | I haven't touched mythweb in ages... kormoc, however... |
| [05:01:07] | jya: | ah... of course :) I always get it wrong.. |
| [05:01:14] | jya: | so, kormoc ? :) |
| [05:01:23] | Beirdo: | no problemo |
| [05:07:41] | jya: | am i still online ? |
| [05:08:33] | wagnerrp: | could always check beirdo's logs... that is if mythlogbot is online |
| [05:08:47] | ** Beirdo pokes MythLogBot ** | |
| [05:08:50] | Beirdo: | it better be :) |
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| [05:10:30] | noisymouse: | Is there a way for mythtv not to have a gap between 2 shows that come right after each other? |
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| [05:10:58] | jya: | ok... I just go no response.. |
| [05:15:09] | jya: | sphery: you said the mute left or right didn't work IRC, what exactly did you do to test? have a been of time to fix that one |
| [05:21:06] | sphery: | jya: Oh, I meant to tell you--I think I was wrong, and it is working. Basically, my testing was invalid. I don't have any recordings with different enough audio in the channels to make testing it easy (i.e. no different-language-in-different-channels stuff). So, ignore that, and assume it work--and I hope you didn't waste any time on it, yet. |
| [05:21:12] | Pr3nt1c3: | try changing your settings to record for x amt of time after show? |
| [05:21:38] | jya: | no I haven't spent any time as I said, other than re-implementing the previous code, that couldn't have worked |
| [05:22:20] | sphery: | noisymouse: exactly ^^^ (what Pr3nt1c3 said)... But by "settings" he means, set a "start early" and "end late" on each recording rule, and ensure you have sufficient inputs/tuners to record all the shows including overlaps. |
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| [05:37:02] | Pr3nt1c3: | my bad, very new to mythtv/buntu |
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| [05:55:55] | sphery: | Pr3nt1c3: no bad... you had the right solution--I just gave a little extra detail |
| [05:57:25] | sphery: | so my local Fox station changed the way they're sending video--now they're changing resolution and aspect mid-stream--and the commflagger, editor, and (lossless, at least) transcoder don't much care for it. |
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| [06:07:47] | wagnerrp: | sphery: its amazing all the people i know who have never seen better off ted |
| [06:08:00] | wagnerrp: | did they just not advertise... at all...? |
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| [06:10:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, seems they always do that with the good shows |
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| [06:29:24] | justinh: | hmpf. tvdb.com has absolutely nothing on Dexter's lab in terms of detail. And it's all locked |
| [06:30:02] | justinh: | maybe I can assume that whoever put data in just copied from somewhere else, got found out & it was all removed.. rinse & repeat |
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| [06:31:18] | justinh: | oh wait some episodes have actual content |
| [06:35:39] | justinh: | heh infact most do |
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| [06:58:11] | justinh: | well, time to find all the ISOs & get em turned into video |
| [06:58:43] | justinh: | ah only four |
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| [07:10:15] | justinh: | gah. there's an easy command to add a ppa to ubuntu but none to remove it |
| [07:10:20] | justinh: | HATE! |
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| [07:18:14] | Beirdo: | Ahhhh, Shaun of the Dead on Comedy Central |
| [07:18:37] | justinh: | quality film |
| [07:18:43] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [07:18:52] | Beirdo: | it's just SO bad, it's good |
| [07:19:05] | justinh: | also good is the cop one |
| [07:19:09] | Beirdo: | I need a cricket bat to use as a LART |
| [07:19:22] | Beirdo: | haven't seen that one yet |
| [07:19:26] | justinh: | Hot Fuzz |
| [07:19:39] | Beirdo: | I like that actor for some reason |
| [07:19:52] | justinh: | one of the few times I've not wanted my money back at the cinema :) |
| [07:19:59] | Beirdo: | heheh |
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| [07:21:00] | justinh: | GRRR. stupid work internet connection |
| [07:21:19] | justinh: | if I didn't know better I'd say the IT guy was monitoring the port I use & cutting it off periodically |
| [07:21:33] | justinh: | but I do, so assume it's just the ADSL being junk |
| [07:22:26] | justinh: | handbrake-cli here I come |
| [07:22:39] | justinh: | in screen, since nx isn't staying up for more than 1 minute |
| [07:23:02] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:27:15] | justinh: | oo getting about 30fps |
| [07:27:34] | justinh: | MOARCPU than my last backend :) |
| [07:28:12] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [07:28:16] | Beirdo: | moarbeer |
| [07:30:44] | justinh: | arghhh faad output?! |
| [07:31:12] | justinh: | and this, when mythbuntu packages don't ship with aac audio support built in. MEH |
| [07:31:23] | justinh: | ach well looks like I'll be building me own then |
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| [07:33:28] | justinh: | ahh I need 25073 or later |
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| [07:33:41] | justinh: | still on 24879 |
| [07:37:25] | justinh: | ARGHH stupid HR dept |
| [07:37:45] | justinh: | we put the paternity leave form on the intranet, they say. Oooo I say |
| [07:37:55] | Beirdo: | I swear... when I'm done coding the MUD, I am putting in a weapon... |
| [07:38:04] | justinh: | download it.. it's password protected AND saved in a version I can't open |
| [07:38:15] | Beirdo: | cricket bat... blunt weapon, especially effective against zombies |
| [07:38:24] | justinh: | heh |
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| [07:40:28] | justinh: | can I borrow it for my visit to the HR office? |
| [07:40:37] | justinh: | or maybe a chainsaw? |
| [07:40:56] | Beirdo: | very rusty one |
| [07:41:38] | justinh: | all the better |
| [07:42:25] | justinh: | ok I'm on 25129 now.. and no mention of aac or whatever it is |
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| [07:43:38] | Beirdo: | newegg is weird |
| [07:43:52] | Beirdo: | shipped my order as two separate shipments |
| [07:43:56] | Beirdo: | OK then |
| [07:44:06] | justinh: | shouldn't it mention "using-libfaad" ? |
| [07:44:21] | Beirdo: | using-libbaaaad |
| [07:44:31] | Beirdo: | dunno |
| [07:46:16] | justinh: | just ran mythavtest on a file I know has aac audio.. looks for the codec & finds it. |
| [07:46:24] | justinh: | so why not report it in --version output? |
| [07:46:30] | justinh: | FFS |
| [07:47:55] | Beirdo: | bug report it :) |
| [07:48:18] | justinh: | might just be a *buntu-ism |
| [07:49:35] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:49:45] | Beirdo: | I don't do packages for myth |
| [07:50:02] | Beirdo: | but I'm a masochist... I do trunk :) |
| [07:50:51] | justinh: | simple enough.. mythcommandlineparser.cpp just spits out MYTH_BUILD_CONFIG |
| [07:53:29] | justinh: | so either MYTH_BUILD_CONFIG isn't having enable-faad added – in which case would it even build with faad support? or the packaging is screwed |
| [07:53:57] | ** justinh sets fire to mythbuntu to be on the safe side ** | |
| [07:54:49] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:54:58] | Beirdo: | svn co.... |
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| [08:07:52] | justinh: | Encoding: task 1 of 1, 47.93 % (140.65 fps, avg 139.33 fps, ETA 00h13m01s) |
| [08:08:02] | justinh: | what what whaaaaaaaaaat? :-O |
| [08:08:13] | justinh: | that's with the 'Movie' preset |
| [08:08:57] | justinh: | I think I'm forgetting what CPU I put in the new backend despite it being the cheapest intel chip the shop had in stock |
| [08:09:49] | justinh: | man, all those years I wasted with Athlon XP CPUs |
| [08:11:48] | sid3windr: | =) |
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| [08:13:25] | justinh: | hmm this search for a simple usb sound device might be tricky "16 Kinds of rhythm preserve the mode" |
| [08:13:34] | justinh: | "23 Kinds of acoustic fields preserve the mode " |
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| [08:19:56] | Guest39: | Why isnt the date shown in the guide so you know what day your looking at? It shows the time and the year. (I,m using graphite) |
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| [08:20:37] | Guest39: | day and date and current time would be good |
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| [08:21:14] | justinh: | er because the theme doesn't include today's date? |
| [08:21:32] | justinh: | solution: use a theme which includes today's date on that page or edit the theme |
| [08:22:03] | Guest39: | when you move throigh the guide you dont know what day your looking at yet it shows the year |
| [08:22:09] | Guest39: | its odd |
| [08:22:26] | justinh: | ah sounds like you're not seeing all the text |
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| [08:25:42] | justinh: | in the appearance settings menu change the date format – possibly the long date one to something er..shorter |
| [08:26:02] | justinh: | or else install the correct font graphite was designed to use |
| [08:26:51] | justinh: | and anyway let's see a screenshot of what you say is happening. seems strange that you're only seeing the year |
| [08:27:37] | Guest39: | i just had another look it was showing the year of the program in the guide highlighted |
| [08:27:50] | Guest39: | Ill upload a svreenshot |
| [08:28:10] | justinh: | personally I prefer to see the day of week rather than just a date number |
| [08:28:24] | justinh: | I don't know what frickin day the 21st of June is |
| [08:28:44] | justinh: | not without looking at a calendar :) |
| [08:30:28] | Guest39: | yes so I all I want is the day the guide is showing |
| [08:30:48] | Guest39: | uploading now llinking soon |
| [08:31:14] | Guest39: | http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/1060/screenshot7w.png |
| [08:32:14] | justinh: | you need to change the appearance setting for 'short date format' |
| [08:32:25] | Guest39: | current date and time are shown bottom centre |
| [08:32:41] | justinh: | whether or not the form which includes the day name will fit in the field where '6/18' is... is unknown |
| [08:32:47] | Guest39: | is that in guide settings? |
| [08:32:51] | justinh: | no |
| [08:33:03] | justinh: | utils/setup > setup > appearance |
| [08:33:16] | justinh: | date formats are in there somewhere |
| [08:33:37] | justinh: | 6/18 is a short date format, so that's the one you need to change |
| [08:34:19] | justinh: | it looks like the theme has room there for a longer 'short' date form.. but whether it actually has or not... |
| [08:34:45] | justinh: | let's see how wide the textarea in the xml is |
| [08:35:02] | Guest39: | date format is currently on 6/18 |
| [08:35:29] | justinh: | so change it to one which includes the day name :) |
| [08:35:43] | justinh: | the textarea is 190 pixels wide, which might be enough |
| [08:38:16] | Guest39: | got it thanks |
| [08:39:05] | Guest39: | I never even saw that 6/18 at the top of the channel list |
| [08:39:32] | justinh: | I've never been able to stomach 'merkin date formats |
| [08:40:08] | justinh: | blimmin topsy-turvy back-to-front silliness :) |
| [08:41:17] | justinh: | it's all the fault of England though, for sending the first pilgrims out there in the 1st place. they hated the mother nation so much they changed stuff just to be different ;-) |
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| [08:44:38] | Guest39: | http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/7996/screenshot8et.png |
| [08:44:46] | Guest39: | fixered! |
| [08:45:12] | justinh: | w00t :) |
| [08:45:47] | Guest39: | looks better than the blue default huh? |
| [08:45:48] | justinh: | hopefully in future more er.. suitable date formats will be chosen when the user sets their locale :) |
| [08:46:22] | justinh: | what blue default? |
| [08:46:40] | Guest39: | the background image |
| [08:46:41] | justinh: | oh guess what.. it's rileyp in disguise |
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| [08:47:07] | justinh: | Guest39: actually not IMHO |
| [08:47:14] | rileyp: | well i just didnt log in |
| [08:47:37] | justinh: | there is NO point in background images where you're gonna plaster text all over them |
| [08:48:30] | justinh: | it never adds anything IMHO |
| [08:48:37] | rileyp: | Im happy to have a faint image in the background the really vibrant ones are overbearing |
| [08:48:57] | rileyp: | and yes no good |
| [08:49:46] | justinh: | I mean take your last screenshot as an example.. take the blimmin guide away – I wanna see what's going on there lol |
| [08:50:57] | justinh: | if the image is good enough to bother showing at all, show it all, on its own. That's my stance |
| [08:51:24] | rileyp: | Um to get channel icons I need to install them on the front- end? |
| [08:51:38] | rileyp: | as well as the be? |
| [08:51:43] | sid3windr: | ooh, I like that background image :> |
| [08:51:46] | justinh: | I still dunno if they're streamed from the backend yet |
| [08:52:01] | rileyp: | Ive found installing them only on BE cause majotr lag problems in the guide |
| [08:52:21] | justinh: | sid3windr: should be more foreground. darn guide is obscuring it |
| [08:53:08] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [08:53:27] | justinh: | I'd likely be more in favour of fanart if there was a means of just displaying the artwork on its own with the press of a button |
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| [08:53:41] | justinh: | like a show/hide gui button |
| [08:54:36] | justinh: | so far only Arclight gives fanart any dues IMHO |
| [08:55:37] | rileyp: | BE does stream channel icons but it dontt work to good as there is a major lag problem |
| [08:55:54] | justinh: | I thought there was a storage group for icons by now |
| [08:56:00] | rileyp: | the solution Ive been to ld is to install them on the FE as well |
| [08:56:13] | rileyp: | Theer might be My info is about 6 months old |
| [08:56:36] | justinh: | or if not a SG, they're just streamed |
| [08:56:49] | rileyp: | (memory I disbled ch icons 6 months ago for a fast guide browsing expereince |
| [08:56:56] | justinh: | I think in versions before 0.22 they were never actually streamed but people thought they would be |
| [08:57:25] | justinh: | can't remember if I've actaully copied channel icons to my frontend or not |
| [08:57:39] | justinh: | it's not sluggish anyway |
| [08:58:49] | rileyp: | well it was sluggish for me in 0.22 |
| [09:00:04] | ** rootrider considers completely reinstalling everything on his mythtv box ** | |
| [09:00:13] | rootrider: | screw trying to figure out what broke :| |
| [09:00:34] | rileyp: | I haven't installed them on the BE yet as I'm on a clean lucid BE now. |
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| [09:01:36] | justinh: | ahh the sledgehammer method. last bastion of the unclued |
| [09:01:45] | rootrider: | :| |
| [09:02:13] | rootrider: | I woke up.. everything was working.. although for some reason programming data didn't exist and mythfilldatabase hadn't been run |
| [09:02:31] | justinh: | logs are generally pretty revealing |
| [09:02:44] | rootrider: | checked my logs and saw that mythfront was reporting the 'recordedseek' table was listed as 'crashed'... so I killed everything and repaired that |
| [09:02:59] | justinh: | and then? |
| [09:03:06] | rileyp: | silence |
| [09:03:14] | rootrider: | rebooted to check something else... booted back into the OS and mythbackend wasn't able to talk to the hdpvr driver |
| [09:03:23] | rootrider: | been fighting with it since.. |
| [09:04:01] | justinh: | devices can change nodes sometimes |
| [09:04:10] | rootrider: | yeah I know.. and it did |
| [09:04:14] | justinh: | depends what order they're enumerated in..or just the luck of the draw |
| [09:04:27] | rootrider: | so I fixed that... set things right in mythtv-setup, and still not working |
| [09:04:33] | justinh: | udev rules (a contradiction in terms if there ever was one) can help |
| [09:04:54] | rootrider: | checked the driver, reloaded the module, power cycled the hd pvr, etc... checked things again... was able to cat the video from the device directly |
| [09:05:17] | justinh: | nothing daft like group ownership changed in the meantime? |
| [09:05:21] | rootrider: | but mythbackend still won't talk to it.. outputs StartEncoding failed.. 'resource temporarily unavailable' |
| [09:05:54] | rootrider: | well, I hadn't done anything other than reboot and repair that one table before it stopped working |
| [09:06:13] | justinh: | if I ever had to resort to using something like a HDPVR just to grab HD I don't think I'd bother tbh |
| [09:06:19] | rootrider: | since then the only thing I've done, other than change some mythtv-setup items, is set a udev rule so the hdpvr device has a static location I can refer to |
| [09:06:44] | rootrider: | I love it.. been working perfectly since I got it over half a year ago |
| [09:07:01] | rootrider: | it still works just fine... but mythtv won't talk to the driver for some reason |
| [09:07:03] | justinh: | I mean I like my teevees.. but not to the extent I'd spend that much money on it :) |
| [09:07:10] | rootrider: | haven't found much info that can get me started on where to look yet :( |
| [09:07:34] | rootrider: | I had to use it to get the HD from my fios box.. |
| [09:07:48] | justinh: | heh well... paying for HDTV..now there's a concept |
| [09:07:54] | rootrider: | :P |
| [09:08:06] | justinh: | paying for *any* TV.. those days are long gone in our house |
| [09:08:21] | justinh: | if it can't be got for free, we don't get it. Simples |
| [09:08:29] | justinh: | no TV is worth £40 or more a month |
| [09:08:49] | rootrider: | heh |
| [09:09:04] | rootrider: | ahhh... a brit :P |
| [09:09:12] | rootrider: | well.. you actually have decent ota hd there too :P |
| [09:09:19] | justinh: | no we don't |
| [09:09:24] | rootrider: | cable is a way of life in the US |
| [09:09:35] | justinh: | we get like 2 HD channels over the air by aerial |
| [09:09:44] | justinh: | and those aren't even 24 hours |
| [09:09:44] | rootrider: | oh? |
| [09:10:00] | justinh: | and one of those featured as many as 3 hours of HD programming a day |
| [09:10:20] | justinh: | that's *including* football btw |
| [09:10:27] | rootrider: | heh |
| [09:10:32] | justinh: | if you discount soaps.. erm... |
| [09:10:56] | justinh: | so nah, FTA HD hasn't really arrived here yet |
| [09:11:22] | rootrider: | well only ota HD I can get here are some local channels... so, their news shows, soaps, and then whatever sports and tv shows they rebroadcast from their network affiliates |
| [09:11:26] | rootrider: | which are all time-delayed |
| [09:11:42] | justinh: | start late you mean? |
| [09:11:46] | rootrider: | can't remember the last time i watched broadcast network television regularly |
| [09:11:50] | rootrider: | no.. delayed |
| [09:12:03] | rootrider: | we get our programming 1 – 3 hours after the rest of the country |
| [09:12:06] | justinh: | ah |
| [09:12:16] | rootrider: | because networks are worried that people won't be home to watch it |
| [09:12:19] | rootrider: | or something like that |
| [09:12:25] | justinh: | glad I don't live in a country so big it has to have different timezones |
| [09:12:28] | rootrider: | it's BS, especially with live programming |
| [09:12:56] | rileyp: | we have 5 hd channels in au Free to air |
| [09:13:02] | rootrider: | that's one of the nicer things about a lot of the cable programming... it's shown at the same time no matter where you are in the country |
| [09:13:08] | rileyp: | and 3 up to 4 tz |
| [09:13:08] | justinh: | we might get a screen big enough to appreciate HDTV one day |
| [09:13:27] | rileyp: | pending the season |
| [09:13:28] | rootrider: | justinh: I greatly appreciate HD on my little 19" CRT :P |
| [09:13:29] | justinh: | by then there might be more HD programming & even a way to get terrestrial HD into mythtv |
| [09:14:00] | justinh: | yeah but before HD you had NTSC.. and I've seen analogue NTSC & know what a difference HD must have made |
| [09:14:06] | rileyp: | We have 5 hd channles but they often stream sd content |
| [09:14:10] | rootrider: | lol |
| [09:14:29] | rootrider: | digital SD NTSC isn't too bad... |
| [09:15:22] | rootrider: | especially on a clean signal like with fios |
| [09:15:29] | rootrider: | so pretty compared to comcrap |
| [09:15:36] | justinh: | I'm not sure the resolution increase has made the biggest difference for you guys :) |
| [09:16:21] | rootrider: | doesn't really matter much.. I watch everything on computer monitors and always have. So everything has always been upscaled.. just less-so over time |
| [09:16:46] | justinh: | stuff looked better on analogue CRT VGA monitors than LCD anyway |
| [09:16:53] | justinh: | different gamma... |
| [09:16:54] | rootrider: | yup.. |
| [09:17:04] | justinh: | no matter what the resolution |
| [09:17:31] | justinh: | LCD is completely unforgiving |
| [09:17:32] | rootrider: | also, one of the advantages with using computers is that the difference between PAL & NTSC really don't matter :P |
| [09:17:41] | justinh: | rootrider: digital video :) |
| [09:17:41] | rootrider: | I have PAL dvd's here... makes no difference |
| [09:17:56] | justinh: | in the analogue domain it makes all the difference |
| [09:18:27] | justinh: | less so since video decoder chips got halfway decent at extracting colour information in-phase |
| [09:18:31] | rootrider: | meh... can't remember how long it's been since I've had analogue tv in the house :P |
| [09:18:49] | justinh: | but before that.. oh brother |
| [09:19:15] | rootrider: | heh |
| [09:19:41] | rootrider: | now if some of this help me understand how to figure out why my mythbackend isn't able to talk to the hdpvr driver... that'd be great ;) :P |
| [09:19:56] | justinh: | first step – stop mythbackend |
| [09:20:09] | justinh: | next step – restart mythbackend & look at the log very closely |
| [09:20:21] | justinh: | if that doesn't shed any light try with -v record |
| [09:20:21] | rootrider: | lol.. I've been doing that all night |
| [09:20:27] | rootrider: | hrm |
| [09:20:55] | justinh: | what I've done in the past is bypass the init stuff & just run mythbackend as the user the init script would run it as |
| [09:21:09] | justinh: | e.g. su mythtv |
| [09:21:14] | justinh: | mythbackend -v record |
| [09:21:37] | rootrider: | I'm running everything manually... too lazy to set this up to run automatically :P |
| [09:21:53] | justinh: | there's irony in there somewhere |
| [09:22:22] | rootrider: | :P |
| [09:22:45] | rootrider: | okay... running with that higher level of verbosity now... |
| [09:22:47] | ** rootrider checks ** | |
| [09:25:05] | rootrider: | well, that didn't give me any more information.. :( |
| [09:26:59] | justinh: | -v record extra ? |
| [09:30:06] | justinh: | fwiw you might have to let us be the judge of whether you're getting useful info from the log ;) |
| [09:30:15] | rootrider: | the only part that looks abnormal is the error... MPEGRec (/dev/video2) Error: StartEncoding failed eno: Resource temporarily unavailable (11) |
| [09:30:19] | rootrider: | haha.. I'm aware of this :P |
| [09:30:38] | justinh: | we see a whole lot of log in here |
| [09:31:00] | rootrider: | let it be known though that I'm using a trunk release from around .22.. haven't touched it since, since it was working perfectly :| |
| [09:32:40] | justinh: | if it ain't broke... |
| [09:32:47] | justinh: | but now it *is* broke. heheh |
| [09:33:01] | rootrider: | exactly.. |
| [09:33:13] | rootrider: | which is why I was thinking about just going ahead and upgrading everything |
| [09:33:15] | justinh: | I'd have upgraded already |
| [09:33:31] | rootrider: | would *prefer* to fix this though... |
| [09:33:47] | rootrider: | I've been so busy this last half year... haven't had time to keep up with all of the dev lists |
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| [09:34:21] | rootrider: | have around 9000 emails across those lists that are unread right now :P |
| [09:34:27] | rootrider: | most are tickets, of course |
| [09:34:35] | rootrider: | okay.. got that log... one moment |
| [09:36:56] | rootrider: | http://fakelag.net/mythbackend.log |
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| [09:37:50] | justinh: | hmmm |
| [09:38:03] | justinh: | I have a vague recollection of the HDPVR API changing |
| [09:38:18] | justinh: | maybe that would have a bearing on this |
| [09:38:32] | rootrider: | well... I haven't changed anything though |
| [09:38:32] | justinh: | if you've updated other stuff on your box.. that would possibly break myth |
| [09:38:41] | rootrider: | this exact setup has been working since November of last year |
| [09:38:53] | justinh: | and you'd not rebooted in all that time? |
| [09:39:02] | rootrider: | until I rebooted the computer today, the device location changed, and I reconfig'd it in mythtv-setup |
| [09:39:06] | rootrider: | it's been rebooted several times |
| [09:39:19] | rootrider: | infrequently, but definitely rebooted several times |
| [09:39:25] | justinh: | well, for all the use that log info is.. I'd be upgrading now |
| [09:39:28] | justinh: | see if that fixes it |
| [09:39:37] | justinh: | if yes, then it was just 'one of them things' |
| [09:39:48] | rootrider: | that's what I'm thinking :| |
| [09:42:23] | rootrider: | need to update the OS as well.. *sigh* |
| [09:45:14] | rootrider: | so we went from... |
| [09:45:16] | rootrider: | 02:01.36 < justinh> ahh the sledgehammer method. last bastion of the unclued |
| [09:45:19] | rootrider: | to.. |
| [09:45:22] | rootrider: | 02:39.25 < justinh> well, for all the use that log info is.. I'd be upgrading now |
| [09:45:25] | rootrider: | :P |
| [09:46:08] | rootrider: | only reason I want to consider reinstalling it all was because this was a bit of a messy install to begin with. I was trying to work in support for the old pvr250 I have along with my pchdtv card.. |
| [09:46:23] | rootrider: | the pvr250 died afterward, and the pchdtv is of no use to me now |
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| [09:50:25] | justinh: | do me a favour & just check your input connections settings |
| [09:50:48] | rootrider: | for? |
| [09:51:30] | justinh: | the HDPVR |
| [09:52:26] | rootrider: | omg |
| [09:53:46] | justinh: | mmm? |
| [09:54:04] | rootrider: | well |
| [09:54:39] | rootrider: | so when I first noticed that the device changed and I reconfigured this in mythtv-setup... I apparently pointed mythtv to the composite input |
| [09:54:48] | rootrider: | this is using component input... |
| [09:55:12] | rootrider: | knew I was missing something >:| |
| [09:55:23] | justinh: | so the hdpvr is set to an input without anything connected, mythtv isn't getting any data and... kapow |
| [09:55:35] | rootrider: | didn't make sense that this just randomly broke :P |
| [09:55:36] | rootrider: | yeah...... |
| [09:55:48] | ** justinh whistles and gazes up at his fringe... ** | |
| [09:56:41] | rootrider: | well.. thanks for walking me through a few things.. needed someone to help jumpstart my brain ;) |
| [09:56:56] | justinh: | it occurs to me now that it might be handy to actually say which input is being used in the log though |
| [09:57:05] | justinh: | could've saved us all some time |
| [09:58:08] | justinh: | ach well. just bought a couple of crappy USB sound thingies on ebay for £1.99 apiece |
| [09:58:20] | rootrider: | well.. yeah, considering that it's supposed to be verbose for the recording info there... would have been nice to have seen a bit more |
| [09:58:24] | justinh: | they'll do for outputting squeezeslave |
| [09:58:27] | rootrider: | :P |
| [09:58:55] | justinh: | rather these than fight with alsa trying to make it give me different PCM outputs |
| [09:59:47] | rootrider: | haha... I remember when alsa first started coming together... no more opensound, or whatever that crap was called |
| [09:59:50] | rootrider: | it was sooooooo nice |
| [10:00:41] | justinh: | I'm apparently some kind of freak for wanting induh-vidual stereo outputs |
| [10:02:04] | justinh: | no upsampling, no stupid matrixing.. no channel grouping or filtering. just separate DACs please |
| [10:05:23] | rootrider: | definitely crazy |
| [10:05:43] | rootrider: | and.. it's recording.. woohoo! |
| [10:05:48] | rootrider: | only missed one recording.. a minor one |
| [10:06:32] | rootrider: | now I can worry about upgrading once I'm ready to upgrade the OS |
| [10:07:39] | justinh: | rootrider: I'm planning to do whole house audio using squeezeserver :) |
| [10:08:04] | justinh: | touchscreen controls in some rooms,on linuxy tablet thingies running squeezeplay |
| [10:11:59] | rootrider: | oh, really? |
| [10:12:02] | rootrider: | hmm |
| [10:13:08] | rootrider: | sounds nice |
| [10:13:19] | rootrider: | I'd thought about setting up sqeezeserver.. but haven't ever looked into it |
| [10:13:52] | justinh: | setting up a squeezeserver is dead easy |
| [10:14:17] | justinh: | I looked at mpd but all the player UIs are butt ugly |
| [10:14:39] | justinh: | like the back end of a monkey that'd been run over by a bus |
| [10:14:58] | rootrider: | lol |
| [10:15:07] | justinh: | or maybe like a 5 year old's crayon drawing of the back end of a monkey that'd been run over by a bus |
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| [10:21:05] | rootrider: | now to figure out why my recorded videos seek so slowly now |
| [10:21:34] | justinh: | seektable is borked |
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| [10:21:46] | justinh: | mythcommflag --rebuild-all ... ish |
| [10:22:01] | rootrider: | well, I just repaired that table :P |
| [10:22:14] | justinh: | yeah you repaired the table |
| [10:22:18] | justinh: | but not the data |
| [10:23:22] | rootrider: | oookay.... can I do that with mythbackend running? |
| [10:23:24] | rootrider: | guessing not.. |
| [10:23:54] | justinh: | the mythcommflag thing? sure |
| [10:28:39] | rootrider: | k... hope that works/helps |
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| [10:34:00] | rootrider: | HD is so pretty :P |
| [10:40:11] | grumpydevil: | does someone have a script to do lossless H.264 cutting? |
| [10:40:25] | grumpydevil: | want to remove beginning, end and adverts... |
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| [11:11:37] | cavej03: | !justinh |
| [11:12:54] | cavej03: | hi all, is anyone able to tell me why I have to wait like a full minute for a channel to load in myth |
| [11:13:06] | cavej03: | backend and frontend on same machine |
| [11:16:19] | justinh: | cavej03: please don't send unsolicited MSGs. they're very annoying |
| [11:16:37] | justinh: | VERY annoying |
| [11:16:43] | cavej03: | justinh, sorry i dont know much about irc |
| [11:16:43] | justinh: | and bad IRC ettiquette |
| [11:16:52] | cavej03: | learnt my lesson |
| [11:16:58] | cavej03: | just really keen to say thanks |
| [11:17:19] | justinh: | on IRC if it's worth saying, do it in a public channel |
| [11:17:29] | cavej03: | sweet |
| [11:17:55] | cavej03: | so why are they annoying, just considered rude? |
| [11:18:15] | cavej03: | or do they force popup |
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| [11:20:11] | justinh: | can we have autoban for unsolicited MSG please? Pretty please – with a cherry on top? ;-) |
| [11:20:34] | rootrider: | haha... |
| [11:20:38] | rootrider: | cant' stand people who do that |
| [11:20:55] | justinh: | it's not even like I'm real old school IRC |
| [11:21:11] | rootrider: | dont' know much about irc.. but you can still msg random people? :| |
| [11:21:16] | justinh: | I dunno why I find it annoying.. it just *is* |
| [11:21:45] | rootrider: | I've been on irc every day for probably 13 years... it's definitely annoying :P |
| [11:24:47] | GreyFoxx: | the two of you are making me feel old :) |
| [11:25:27] | ** justinh hits alsa some more ** | |
| [11:25:31] | justinh: | still not cooperating |
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| [11:26:12] | rootrider: | GreyFoxx: it happens ;) |
| [11:26:30] | GreyFoxx: | When I think about the fact that since I started using IRC babies have been born, schooled and halfway through university I feel old :) |
| [11:26:34] | justinh: | oops. just realised it's my wife's birthday next week! |
| [11:27:07] | GreyFoxx: | doh, I better get running before I'm late for work |
| [11:27:19] | rootrider: | well.. I started using irc rather late in the game :| |
| [11:28:16] | GreyFoxx: | I've been using it constantly since I got my first home net connection in Sept 1991, but I used it fora year prior off and on via a PCBoard BBS plugin someone had at a local university |
| [11:28:35] | justinh: | I'm constantly amazed how new people keep flocking to IRC |
| [11:28:39] | ** GreyFoxx gets his walker and goes to work ** | |
| [11:28:42] | justinh: | I thought it was all about forums nowadays |
| [11:28:50] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: lol |
| [11:29:56] | rootrider: | well.... bulletin boards used to *suck* |
| [11:30:06] | rootrider: | now they're at least reasonable pieces of software :D |
| [11:31:14] | rootrider: | I wonder if irc is actually used less now than it was say.. 10 years ago |
| [11:34:03] | bjd: | sure is |
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| [11:39:40] | rootrider: | well.. obviously the big networks like efnet and dalnet aren't around in the same way any more.. but plenty of smaller networks have popped up |
| [11:39:55] | rootrider: | I think it's more that we just have so many more people online these days, that it seems people don't know what irc is any more |
| [11:40:51] | justinh: | gah nothing I do in asound.conf is being picked up at all |
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| [11:57:40] | Rebecca: | hmmm, not impressed with mythbuntu |
| [12:00:19] | Rebecca: | specifically, the installer.. it recomends i run the backend config, asks to connect to a database that doesn't exist yet, then stalls when i cancel out.. grrrr |
| [12:01:50] | justinh: | good grief. some heavy duty editing of stuff in /usr/share/alsa might do the trick |
| [12:02:07] | justinh: | I've got an output called 'rear' now.. whether it works or not.. |
| [12:02:44] | ** Rebecca puts a jack in justinh's rear ** | |
| [12:02:57] | Rebecca: | hehe |
| [12:03:07] | justinh: | Rebecca: fwiw it's pretty easy to screw up installing mythbuntu simply by failing to pay enough attention |
| [12:03:48] | justinh: | it's pretty darn hard to mess it up, in other words |
| [12:04:14] | justinh: | last time I tested it, about the only way to mess it up is to sit there just dismissing every callout |
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| [12:04:57] | justinh: | at least on a 'from scratch' install |
| [12:05:11] | justinh: | if you're overlaying 'mythbuntu' onto ubuntu.. hmmm... |
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| [12:06:32] | Rebecca: | i did notice that after cancelling the database connect bit it then stalls at a menu mentioning something about writting or populating the db, maybe i wasn't patient enough |
| [12:06:35] | justinh: | I give up on this ssh connection tday. crapping out just as soon as I log back in & type 'scree' |
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| [12:06:56] | Rebecca: | justinh: nah, latest mythbuntu os install |
| [12:07:06] | Rebecca: | not an upgrade |
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| [12:52:24] | justinh: | gah ARGHHHH |
| [12:52:35] | justinh: | STUPID ALSA |
| [12:52:59] | justinh: | yeah I set up a config in asound.conf right.. but I stupidly assumed it'd appear listed in aplay -L |
| [12:53:03] | justinh: | DUH |
| [12:53:05] | justinh: | it doesn't |
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| [12:54:01] | justinh: | but guess what.. on a real linux box it actually does what it's meant to |
| [12:57:05] | justinh: | so why doesn't aplay list stuff you've cooked up in config files too? |
| [12:57:09] | justinh: | that's daft |
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| [13:10:15] | sidh: | greetings |
| [13:11:50] | sidh: | since i run mythtv (backend/frontend on the same machine) I noticed I have sound one boot on two... this is quite strange , i change nothing at all between reboot |
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| [13:12:07] | sidh: | this is version 0.23 |
| [13:12:47] | justinh: | sidh: and in a box with more than one soundcard perhaps? |
| [13:13:36] | sidh: | justinh: yes i use a PCI one i added because it is a very old MB and the integrated one is very bad |
| [13:13:49] | sidh: | i set the pci one as index 0 |
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| [13:18:47] | sidh: | justinh: http://pastebin.com/6ReqdavR line 15 , i set the index 0 for the pci one (5.1) |
| [13:19:43] | rileyp: | sidh disable onboard sound in bios that way pci one will always be default |
| [13:20:11] | sidh: | ouch really don't know if the bios allow that |
| [13:20:21] | sidh: | will see |
| [13:21:10] | rileyp: | Ive never seen a bios that does not |
| [13:22:43] | rileyp: | chanel icons work on backend but not on FE icons are in /usr/share/mythtv/icons on bE and also same dir on FE |
| [13:23:00] | justinh: | hmmm who the heck to the people commenting on the OSD timeout thread think they are? |
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| [13:23:14] | justinh: | apart from people who actually contribute I mean |
| [13:23:15] | justinh: | pfft |
| [13:23:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Yeah, no kidding. ;-) |
| [13:24:12] | justinh: | wah wah wah wah I think wah wah wah |
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| [13:25:02] | rileyp: | I have enabled ch icons in the fe tv /guide gui |
| [13:25:06] | justinh: | no good developer ignores users. lol |
| [13:25:22] | sidh: | but it is really amazing what we can do with mythtv, i'm discovering all the options and it is quite amazing , first attempt with mythbuntu was really awful last year, but this time starting from a basic squeeze install and adding the package one by one, i 'm getting it working well |
| [13:26:03] | sidh: | need to set up again some option to make it usable from a living , but i'm sure the wiki will help me |
| [13:26:43] | justinh: | what the ui really needs is a checkbox for every darn feature imaginable |
| [13:26:53] | justinh: | nevermind whether a theme supports it or not |
| [13:27:02] | justinh: | nevermind if there's room onscreen or not |
| [13:27:27] | justinh: | and make all this stuff configurable by complex rules, roo! |
| [13:27:49] | justinh: | if day_of_week = Thursday and time > 5pm < 7pm font.color="#ff0000" |
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| [13:28:42] | justinh: | users make me sick. I hate them |
| [13:28:44] | rileyp: | eg mamewah a FE for mame very modable! |
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| [13:28:57] | rileyp: | and we love you justin |
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| [13:29:10] | justinh: | I'm not a developer, FYI |
| [13:29:27] | rileyp: | Dunno if theer is a linux version of it though |
| [13:30:03] | rileyp: | But the way you can create menus is very smooth |
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| [13:30:49] | justinh: | I just hate the festering slime that's calling itself the userbase. such feelings of entitlement |
| [13:31:25] | rileyp: | Hmm I'm slime :D |
| [13:31:36] | justinh: | user: "You suck!"... dev: "thankyou for your contribution" |
| [13:31:47] | justinh: | user: "do this, my way! NOW!" |
| [13:31:52] | justinh: | grrr |
| [13:32:13] | rootrider: | it's always been that way :| |
| [13:32:25] | justinh: | yes, and users would get beaten for it |
| [13:32:28] | justinh: | not anymore, sadly |
| [13:32:34] | rootrider: | makes it really tough for a more grateful and intelligent user to actually get help when needed :| |
| [13:32:56] | justinh: | we're expected to hug everybody & tell them it's gonna be ok |
| [13:33:48] | justinh: | in the old days.. user "how do I ...?". support guy.. "RTFM!" |
| [13:33:58] | justinh: | user: "but.,.." support guy "R T F M !!!!!" |
| [13:34:09] | justinh: | user: "but, but... "... <user has been kicked> |
| [13:34:21] | rootrider: | lol |
| [13:34:24] | ** justinh misses the olden days ** | |
| [13:35:01] | rileyp: | anyone want to help a user get icons working on his fe whenre hes folloed a cool little guide here http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=796058 |
| [13:35:20] | justinh: | a howto on overclockers?! wth?! |
| [13:35:33] | justinh: | god only knows what that broke |
| [13:36:47] | rileyp: | well it works on the FE on The MBE BE but not on my remote FE |
| [13:37:04] | justinh: | maybe the path info is wrong |
| [13:37:10] | justinh: | or a permissions issue? |
| [13:37:13] | rileyp: | I have all the files in the exact same folder on the FE |
| [13:37:26] | rileyp: | Hmm i thought it may be a permission thing |
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| [13:38:32] | justinh: | anyway I don't think all this mollycoddling of users is making anybody more willing to contribute |
| [13:38:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oooh, $20 to implment VAAPI... So genereous!!! NOT! |
| [13:38:50] | justinh: | you should've seen the way my first bug report was unceremoniously closed lol |
| [13:39:01] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A: thought it was $70 |
| [13:39:25] | justinh: | it's all our faults for letting him make the supreme mistake of buying an ATI card anyway |
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| [13:39:55] | justinh: | the big joke being – you'd think in this day & age that ATI stuff would just work in linux. ROFLMAO |
| [13:39:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Nope, he didn't want to pay $70 for an nvidia card, but was willling to shell out $20 for somebody to implement VAAPI... wow... |
| [13:40:03] | justinh: | ah |
| [13:40:13] | justinh: | 2 minute job |
| [13:40:30] | justinh: | but I don't get out of bed for any less than £500, so he can whistle :P |
| [13:40:34] | rileyp: | icons working yay |
| [13:40:40] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs ** | |
| [13:41:38] | justinh: | $20 wouldn't even buy the ink cartridge I need to print the invoice |
| [13:42:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | I mean, I'm all for Myth having support for ATI and INTEL hardware decoding, and I'm sure it will happen sooner or later, but there are more important things being worked on, that give much bigger benefits. ;-) |
| [13:42:26] | justinh: | regardless, it's a fair slap in the face to anybody who might be willing to work on it |
| [13:42:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | exactly. |
| [13:42:38] | justinh: | "here's a nickel for lugging that piano up to my penthouse apartment" |
| [13:43:35] | justinh: | now get 1000 people, all willing to pay $20.. you might be talking |
| [13:43:56] | justinh: | that's a real world sort of budget |
| [13:44:45] | marc_us: | You buy a new ink cartridge to print each invoice? Man, no wonder they give cheaply designed ink-jets away. |
| [13:44:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | I've got to find more time to work on 'real' contributions to Myth... I've only got one patch under my belt so far... |
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| [13:46:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | marc_us: So you ruled out the STB with your dual HD-PVR issue – did you try swapping the ports the HD-PVRs are in, and if so, did the problem 'move' to the other HD-PVR? |
| [13:46:45] | justinh: | marc_us: you've not seen one of my invoices ;-) |
| [13:47:25] | marc_us: | justinh, That is one sweet invoice! |
| [13:48:16] | marc_us: | Manager: I told you not to use the 3D lithography printer to print accounting data! |
| [13:48:43] | marc_us: | justinh sez: But it's cool! |
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| [13:49:36] | marc_us: | morning J-e-f-f-A! |
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| [13:50:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | marc_us: Hehehe... I'm half awake... I did stay up and watch Burn Notice after all... zzzz... |
| [13:50:36] | marc_us: | J-e-f-f-A, yes... I'm going the route that it's not myth or the boxes but my USB bus |
| [13:51:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | marc_us: Yeah, you're probably right. How old is that machine? |
| [13:51:07] | marc_us: | I still have a few experiments before I give up and move the second hdpvr to a remote backend |
| [13:51:17] | marc_us: | less than two years |
| [13:51:27] | marc_us: | motherboard is fairly recent |
| [13:52:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | marc_us: Humm... I'd probably find out what chipset and/or USB chips it uses, and do some googling for similar issues with your OS and/or Kernel... maybe it's a known issue and is fixed already... |
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| [13:53:55] | marc_us: | could be... I'd have to take a weekend for the fishing out the issue |
| [13:54:22] | marc_us: | still, I have work arounds planned in case it will not behave |
| [13:54:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | marc_us: Yeah, probably... I'm going to try to take Saturday to upgrade my system to FC 12 or 13, and 0.23-fixes, as well as de-fragment my poor video drives... |
| [13:56:11] | marc_us: | Looking at the logs, it seems and from system behavior, it appears that the USB bus is tripping when a second tuner which has been idle for more than a few minutes is accessed for recording while the first usb tuner is actively grabbing video |
| [13:57:27] | marc_us: | I'm going to write a script to manualy cat files from the pvrs on then off then on again and try to exercise them and force them to fail. I'll read the system log and see what the usb bus did when she gave up the ghost |
| [13:59:03] | marc_us: | I already wrote a simple shell script to make it easy for me to grab blue rays off the a player hooked up to the hdpvr. It's be the same but for multiple files and boxes to do my test |
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| [13:59:57] | justinh: | can't wait to try out my new alsa know-how when I get home |
| [14:00:19] | justinh: | see if I can get multi-zone squeezeplaying without silly extra soundcards :) |
| [14:00:45] | marc_us: | That's interesting justinh |
| [14:01:02] | marc_us: | You have squeeze boxen? |
| [14:01:05] | justinh: | no |
| [14:01:17] | marc_us: | Oh... Replicating the functionality? |
| [14:01:18] | justinh: | squeezeserver running on the backend machine |
| [14:01:28] | justinh: | squeeseplayer running on a joggler |
| [14:01:43] | ** J-e-f-f-A wishes he had a joggler... :-( ** | |
| [14:01:54] | justinh: | and gonna have slaves doing squeezeslave – one of them being my main frontend |
| [14:01:59] | marc_us: | damn you and these new words... |
| [14:02:08] | marc_us: | off I go to research joggler |
| [14:02:20] | justinh: | using the as yet unconnected rear surround output from the onboard audio |
| [14:02:43] | justinh: | marc_us: 7" wide touchscreen dual core atom thingy with wifi. very much tethered to power though |
| [14:02:49] | justinh: | boots linux from a USB stick |
| [14:03:21] | justinh: | if I was smart I'd have kept my gob shut about it |
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| [14:03:37] | justinh: | the more people know about em the less likely I'll ever be able to get any more |
| [14:04:15] | marc_us: | hmm... I don't think you guys are juggling and jogging at the same time... Next google entry says it's a gadget . oh man, that's neat |
| [14:07:56] | marc_us: | does it use chumby like widgets? |
| [14:08:10] | wagnerrp: | its basically just a little Atom netbook, with a touchscreen instead of a keyboard |
| [14:08:34] | wagnerrp: | ... and its bankrolled by some british telco |
| [14:08:40] | marc_us: | I'd like my mythtv schedule on that. Yeah, right on the end table. |
| [14:09:08] | marc_us: | Not to watch vids... just as a kick ass graphical remote |
| [14:09:08] | justinh: | wth is a chumby? sounds painful |
| [14:09:18] | wagnerrp: | i cant believe they can legitimately sell it for 50 pounds |
| [14:09:30] | justinh: | nah it's heavily subsidised I think |
| [14:09:40] | justinh: | original street price was over 3 times that |
| [14:09:47] | marc_us: | Chumby is a linux box which uses flash widgets... its very similar Sony now has one too |
| [14:09:57] | justinh: | even that is a fairly keen price for a tablet |
| [14:10:00] | johnnyj: | is the joggler even avail in the US? |
| [14:10:01] | wagnerrp: | marc-us: its hardwired, no battery |
| [14:10:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: re mythmediamonitor...ya forgot that it also monitors *all* removable media, not just optical. ;-) But I think he'll get the picture. |
| [14:10:14] | marc_us: | Its a nightstand clock, rss , weather etc gadget |
| [14:10:32] | justinh: | marc_us: who makes it? not openframe ? |
| [14:10:41] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: oh? didnt know that it would do that |
| [14:10:46] | justinh: | er openpeak I mean |
| [14:10:54] | wagnerrp: | i mean i see no reason why it couldnt... just never considered it |
| [14:10:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | marc_us: Or the 'ultimate' Status display for Myth... Forget the 20x4 character LCDs... ;-) |
| [14:11:08] | marc_us: | Yeah, I think they all are corded for power because of the wifi... chumby may run on batteries |
| [14:11:29] | marc_us: | Now you are talking J-e-f-f-A |
| [14:11:32] | justinh: | no it runs on power because it's a dual core atom |
| [14:11:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: yeah, if you've got a card reader, it monitors them too – pops up MythGallery automagically. |
| [14:11:43] | justinh: | 1Amps at 5V |
| [14:11:47] | justinh: | oops |
| [14:11:52] | justinh: | more than 1A @ 5V |
| [14:12:12] | marc_us: | Sure it will run on a battery... a automotive battery |
| [14:12:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | marc_us: you understimate the power of Lithium-Ion!!! They could have easily added one, but it would have doubled or tripled the price... |
| [14:13:04] | marc_us: | A lithium ion motherboard |
| [14:13:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | hahahaha! ;-) |
| [14:13:59] | justinh: | mmm lithium |
| [14:13:59] | marc_us: | the battery that thinks it's a cpu... and it makes a great sandwich spread! |
| [14:14:03] | justinh: | om nom nom nom |
| [14:14:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | "Does your netbook have an ION chipset?" "No, but it's got a Lithium-ION battery, does that count?" <-- Umm – no! |
| [14:14:31] | PeaceKeeper: | Uggg :( 2.6.33.5–124.fc13.x86_64 nvidia kmdl no on atprms |
| [14:14:33] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A: well at least it could then have hardware accelerated |
| [14:14:33] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: looking for some extra cash for something youre already planning on doing? |
| [14:14:35] | justinh: | fire starting |
| [14:14:40] | marc_us: | the lithium has calmed my mind |
| [14:14:58] | justinh: | mmm lithy-ummy! |
| [14:14:59] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/hardware/1335 . . . n-vaapi.html |
| [14:15:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Put the hammer and nails away – don't even THINK about piercing that laptop battery!!! |
| [14:15:56] | marc_us: | I've read the vaapi still has the standard ATI video tearing. |
| [14:16:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: jya said he'd do it for free if someone sent him the proper hardware. |
| [14:16:17] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah, that was Beirdo's comment too |
| [14:16:21] | marc_us: | I wasted months on ATI |
| [14:16:24] | wagnerrp: | so someone sent him a FitPC |
| [14:16:35] | wagnerrp: | little Atom+GMA500 |
| [14:16:40] | justinh: | lol |
| [14:17:00] | jya: | what are those tiny Dell PC called ? looks like those tiny asus eeebox |
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| [14:18:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I'd send them something, but I don't think I own anything that has ATI or INTEL video... ;-) |
| [14:18:38] | wagnerrp: | youve got to have fairly new AMD, or fairly 'high end' Intel |
| [14:18:44] | jya: | wagnerrp: did Beirdo did it ? |
| [14:18:58] | wagnerrp: | its in his todo list |
| [14:19:02] | jya: | the GMA500 supports VAAPI ? |
| [14:19:07] | wagnerrp: | waiting until he gets settled in seattle |
| [14:19:26] | jya: | vaapi is supported in ffmpeg we last sync with right? |
| [14:19:58] | marc_us: | I just wish I listened to everyone who told me not to mess with ATI. |
| [14:20:04] | wagnerrp: | to what extent, i dont know.... i didnt actually know ffmpeg supported any video output mechanisms |
| [14:20:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | !trout marc_us you should have listened to us! |
| [14:20:21] | ** MythLogBot slaps marc_us with a you should have listened to us! trout on behalf of J-e-f-f-A... ** | |
| [14:20:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
| [14:20:27] | jya: | oh, support for VAAPI would be just like VDPAU |
| [14:20:45] | jya: | just the decoding part... |
| [14:20:59] | marc_us: | Yeah, true but I had not been taking my lithium ion pills then |
| [14:21:30] | marc_us: | It soothes the jagged edges of reality |
| [14:21:35] | jya: | I bought an ATI 4670 a while back... what a mess that was. Okay, it's been oalmost a year now |
| [14:22:29] | jya: | but what a nightmare.. in windows you had to fiddle with the overscan settings to display proper 1920x1080. On Linux those options do not even exist... have to deal with some internal registers. |
| [14:22:36] | marc_us: | My experiment was with an integrated ATI chipset on a cool mini ATX MB with HDMI output. I was very pleased but waited and waited for a fix for the tearing issue |
| [14:22:48] | jya: | and once set, if you reboot the box, it hangs until your power the PC off |
| [14:23:13] | justinh: | niiice |
| [14:23:25] | jya: | they can only have improved in a year... but each time I'm told, "it's much better now" , turns out to be complete nightmare |
| [14:23:30] | justinh: | but at least they GPL'd their docs, right |
| [14:23:40] | jya: | and opengl v-sync didn't work.. Had huge tearing with Xv |
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| [14:23:53] | justinh: | I had bad tearing with my intel video |
| [14:24:02] | justinh: | til I disabled the unused ports |
| [14:24:04] | jya: | intel opengl support has always been crap |
| [14:24:37] | jya: | my last motherboard, after reading on the intel forums, vaapi was just around the corner |
| [14:24:46] | jya: | so I bought a 4500HD based motherboard |
| [14:24:50] | justinh: | heh I'd never buy intel on the promise of anything |
| [14:24:55] | justinh: | or indeed anything |
| [14:25:02] | jya: | luckily, it was a DOA, so I bought a 9400M based one instead |
| [14:25:07] | justinh: | phew |
| [14:25:10] | jya: | I could have been waiting a long time for VDPAU |
| [14:25:14] | jya: | how long it's been, 2 years ? |
| [14:25:48] | justinh: | I don't think they can even give us the age old hogwash anymore either |
| [14:25:50] | wagnerrp: | year and a half, they released it in november |
| [14:25:55] | justinh: | muh, NDAs, contracts, yada yada |
| [14:25:56] | marc_us: | yeah, it sure has spoiled me... The little atom/ion board I use is great for a front end |
| [14:26:14] | wagnerrp: | although i dont really think anyone was waiting for VDPAU |
| [14:26:24] | marc_us: | My dream of a cheap fully functional front end realized |
| [14:26:25] | wagnerrp: | nVidia really released it out of the clear blue |
| [14:26:25] | jya: | wagnerrp: definitely not |
| [14:26:27] | justinh: | I at least want something with vdpau rendering |
| [14:26:45] | jya: | I bought a 3.3GHz C2D, just for playing HD ... VDPAU came like 2 weeks later |
| [14:26:48] | justinh: | for my next frontend.. but then that'll likely be a card in my backend |
| [14:27:10] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to ATI which announced XvBA, and then finally got around to releasing VAAPI drivers a full year later |
| [14:27:15] | jya: | I hope they will release a 320M based board... instead of ion2 |
| [14:27:33] | justinh: | ooo. time to start the weekend. see y'all around |
| [14:27:35] | wagnerrp: | does the new mac mini use that? |
| [14:27:50] | jya: | i wonder what impact on their sales ivdpau made.. |
| [14:28:04] | jya: | yes, the mini use the same chipset as the macbook and macbook pro 13" |
| [14:28:04] | wagnerrp: | trivial |
| [14:28:05] | jya: | 320M |
| [14:28:28] | wagnerrp: | you get all the multimedia users of linux onboard |
| [14:28:41] | wagnerrp: | which means a small percentage of a small percentage of the computer buying population |
| [14:29:29] | jya: | sure.. |
| [14:30:00] | marc_us: | I need to find see ya justinh |
| [14:30:05] | jya: | I wonder if instead of supporting VDPAU *and* VDPAU, wouldn't be better off doing VAAPI instead, and use VDPAU VAAPI emulation.. |
| [14:30:08] | marc_us: | whoops |
| [14:30:26] | marc_us: | I meant to say: See ya Justinh |
| [14:30:32] | wagnerrp: | as an output mechanism, VDPAU offers a lot of stuff that VAAPI lacks |
| [14:31:10] | jya: | can probably combine both... VAAPI decoding, vdpau display |
| [14:31:17] | wagnerrp: | as a pure decoder shuffling video over to OpenGL for output? i dont know... may make more sense in that case |
| [14:32:20] | jya: | wathing USA vs Slovenia right now... Even with the vuvuzela filter, it's so annoying that noise... Would have been surprised if a $1 plastic toy, could output a perfectly flat frequency... |
| [14:33:04] | jya: | markk would have been the best about this, he has previous experience... hopefully he will reconsider |
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| [14:34:41] | PeaceKeeper: | WOW! 2.6.33.5–124.fc13.x86_64 nvidia kmdl where just added to atprms. Like 5 minutes after I posted they are not there.. |
| [14:34:51] | PeaceKeeper: | Atrpms thank you. |
| [14:34:59] | jya: | Axel is pretty good for that |
| [14:35:03] | jya: | incredibly responsive |
| [14:35:50] | PeaceKeeper: | :) |
| [14:36:31] | PeaceKeeper: | That was crazy. I was just banging my head on the desk, thought to try it again, and there it was... |
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| [14:39:06] | jya: | reading: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/428400#428400 |
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| [14:43:00] | jya: | wagnerrp: how would you do all the fancy VDPAU deinterlacing with OpenGL? |
| [14:44:08] | wagnerrp: | either dont, and implement it in opengl code, or pull the texture out of VDPAU after deint |
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| [14:44:45] | jya: | wagnerrp: you have access to the internal video buffer with vdpau? |
| [14:45:20] | wagnerrp: | i know you can pull video out of it in some manner |
| [14:45:52] | jya: | If you could you would see solution using vdpau for video encoding.. |
| [14:45:59] | jya: | or I would expect |
| [14:46:07] | rhollanAfk: | GRRR. I though it was my DVD drive but it looks like no. |
| [14:46:31] | rhollanAfk: | myth isn't consistently finding it. Sometimes it mounts, sometimes no, sometimes /dev/dvd link is lost |
| [14:46:45] | wagnerrp: | i dont think anyone has bothered, since the encoding part has always been far more intensive than the decoding part |
| [14:46:59] | rhollanAfk: | just tried a new SATA (to replace PATA) drive. |
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| [14:47:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | Darn, my current MB is AM2/AM2+ – not AM3... doh! Well, looks like I won't be getting one of those fancy x6 or x8 core cpus yet! |
| [14:48:57] | rhollanAfk: | NOW it starts... after 5 minutes. What gives with DVDs (and yes I have libdvdcss) |
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| [14:51:55] | rhollanAfk: | anyone have problems with DVD reading here (being VERY slow to start)? |
| [14:54:13] | ** rhollanAfk realizes that 11.4 MB/s transfer over 100 Mb ethernet is actually pretty good, but also considers an 11 minute transfer time for a DVD iso image to be "long". time for GigE ** | |
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| [15:01:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... if my board is an AM2/AM2+, why does the "Processor Compatibility" list show AM3 CPUS as well? |
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| [15:16:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah, AM3 cpus can be used in AM2(+) boards... (I guess as long as the Bios supports it!) ;-) |
| [15:16:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | So I can still get some life out of this MB... |
| [15:20:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... I could buy a Phenom II X4 945 for $140 and double my cores... </me thinks about that...> |
| [15:21:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and lower the CPU power consumption from 125W to 95W in the process vs my x2 6000+ ! |
| [15:22:18] | wagnerrp: | actually have any use for more cores? |
| [15:22:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: commflagging h.264 HD... |
| [15:22:45] | wagnerrp: | from what source? |
| [15:23:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | My 6000 was doing great before I upgraded to HD. – Source is FiOS HD -> HD-PVRs at top quality. |
| [15:23:16] | wagnerrp: | HDPVR is single threaded decoding |
| [15:23:22] | wagnerrp: | its at most dual threaded commflagging |
| [15:23:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: right, but it would allow the comflagging to be executed in other cores... |
| [15:24:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | Or am I wrong in thinking that? |
| [15:26:10] | wagnerrp: | while youre using the other ones for playback? sure, that would work |
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| [15:27:12] | rhollanAfk: | 6000+ ? |
| [15:27:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: yeah... I don't use my backend as a frontend often, but HD is almost un-watchable right now, as it pauses often, even using VDPAU. |
| [15:27:19] | ** rhollanAfk futzes with a 2200 ** | |
| [15:27:37] | rhollanAfk: | And I get good HD |
| [15:27:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | rhollanAfk: Hehehe... I believe in overkill. ;-) |
| [15:28:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | rhollanAfk: I wanted to be able to do real-time commercial detection, and streaming transcoding via mythweb. Was more than adequate for SD and/or HD ATSC (MPEG2), but the HD-PVR's h.264 certainly gives it a workout!!! |
| [15:29:11] | rhollanAfk: | but I did not want to do any compute intensive stuff like comm detection (yet!) |
| [15:29:18] | wagnerrp: | rhollan: 2200 what? |
| [15:29:32] | rhollanAfk: | I dunno some cheap Athlon. It is a dual core |
| [15:29:40] | wagnerrp: | so 2.2GHz, not a 2200 |
| [15:29:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | rhollanAfk: Are you in the US? |
| [15:29:49] | rhollanAfk: | yup |
| [15:29:52] | rhollanAfk: | just a sec |
| [15:29:55] | wagnerrp: | sounds more like a 3800 |
| [15:30:05] | wagnerrp: | maybe 4200 |
| [15:30:20] | rhollanAfk: | checking |
| [15:30:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | rhollanAfk: Ok, then commercial detection should work pretty well. And if you're only doing MPEG2, commercial detection is pretty quick. |
| [15:30:54] | rhollanAfk: | wagnerrp: you're right: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4800+ |
| [15:31:08] | wagnerrp: | anyway, yeah... MPEG2 is far easier than single sliced H264 |
| [15:31:13] | wagnerrp: | and a 4800 is like 2.6GHz |
| [15:31:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | rhollan: My first 'real' backend was an Athlon XP 1800+ – ^^ that should be more than capable... ;-) |
| [15:31:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | rhollanAfk: ^^ |
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| [15:38:49] | jya: | goalll !!! |
| [15:38:55] | jya: | ah beautiful... |
| [15:39:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya must be watching soccer... ;-) |
| [15:39:43] | jya: | And not even my team, US vs Slovenia |
| [15:40:03] | jya: | US were lead 2–0, they have just equalised with 6 minutes to go |
| [15:40:07] | rhollanAfk: | Yeah, it has more oomph than I thought |
| [15:42:22] | jya: | Goalll ! |
| [15:42:47] | jya: | ah damn, offsite |
| [15:45:44] | ** J-e-f-f-A drools at a Phenom II X6 1055T AM3 – but it's not on my MB compatibility list... :-( ** | |
| [15:46:11] | rhollanAfk: | Since I have a combined FE/BE now, I wanted something reasonably quiet |
| [15:46:12] | wagnerrp: | yeah... but a new motherboard is only an additional $75 |
| [15:46:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: not one with at least 6 SATA ports... :-( |
| [15:47:12] | rhollanAfk: | mine has 6 sata ports and was about $100 |
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| [15:48:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | rhollanAfk: yeah, I'm running an Asus M2N-E currently... I think it was about $130 when I got 2 or 3 years ago – with an X2 4800 at the time, now have an X2 6000 in it. |
| [15:48:40] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138179 |
| [15:49:49] | wagnerrp: | dont like Biostar? (well neither do i), but theres a handful of MSI, Gigabyte, and Asus for under $85 |
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| [15:50:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Ok, I stand (well, sit!) corrected... ;-) |
| [15:51:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: many more options than the last time I actually looked a few months back... |
| [15:52:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Oh yeah, forgot that I'd have to buy new memory too... ;-) (ie: DDR3) |
| [15:53:12] | jya: | US should have won ... |
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| [15:53:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | Says the guy cheering for the other team... ;-) |
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| [15:59:25] | jya: | I was cheering for the US team all along :) |
| [15:59:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yikes... found a MB with 4 PCIe slots – 1 x16, 1 x4 and 2 x1 slots – but there's a note on the page that says if you use the x4 slot with an x4 card, both of the x1 slots are disabled... wt*???? Jeepers. |
| [15:59:49] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it happens on cheap motherboards |
| [15:59:55] | wagnerrp: | the chipset only has 20 lanes |
| [16:00:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... not to mention a couple of 'sli' boards that have two x16 slots, but one of them only runs at x4 — that's just plain stupid. ^^ that must be why... |
| [16:00:57] | wagnerrp: | you see it a lot on SLI/crossfire boards |
| [16:01:09] | wagnerrp: | usually you split them x8/x8 |
| [16:01:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ yeah, that's what I'm seeing I guess. |
| [16:01:21] | wagnerrp: | some more expensive ones will do x16/x16/x8 |
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| [16:03:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | what I'd really like is a MB with 8 or 10 on-board Sata ports... I've got two 5-bay hot-swap HDD enclosures, and can only use 8 right now since my MB pukes with > 8 HDD's... (bios will only let you select from the 1st 8 it detects to boot off of... gets confused with > 8) |
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| [16:08:47] | rhollanAfk: | got to go |
| [16:08:51] | rhollanAfk: | later... |
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| [16:11:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Humm... this one looks promising... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 19-_-Product |
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| [16:12:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: 6 SataII, 2 SataIII ... Firewire... even 4 PCI slots... (not that I need them anymore!) |
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| [16:13:38] | wagnerrp: | meh... just grab a controller card |
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| [16:16:58] | wagnerrp: | too bad no on wants to make inexpensive non-raid controllers |
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| [16:18:07] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816117157 |
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| [16:22:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: not bad – only 'con' there is having to buy cables as none are included. |
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| [16:22:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: and they're "SFF-8087 mini-SAS" connectors on the card, not standard sas/sata connectors. |
| [16:22:48] | wagnerrp: | technically, it doesnt even say it comes with a box |
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| [16:24:15] | wagnerrp: | looks like newegg has them for $30, didnt expect them to be that expensive |
| [16:25:30] | wagnerrp: | buy.com has them a bit cheaper, $17.50 after shipping |
| [16:29:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | any way I look at it... if I upgrade MB/CPU/MEM – I'm looking at around $450–500 for what I "want"... ;-) I can't swing that right now. :-( |
| [16:30:18] | wagnerrp: | heh... i was edging over $2K last time i looked |
| [16:30:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | (maybe I should have used some of that 'amazon.com' bonus money on a new system... Nah, the HD-PVRs were a better choice I think!!!) |
| [16:31:08] | wagnerrp: | of course that went with a new case and hard drives as well |
| [16:31:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: yeah, I've already got a good PS (600W), hdd's, etc... but to go with a x6 or better cpu, I'd also need to upgrade my MB and Memory... |
| [16:32:02] | wagnerrp: | ive got a nice case, powersupply, and hard drives |
| [16:32:27] | wagnerrp: | but my cpu is underpowered, im out of memory, im out of hard drive space, my case is completely full, as is both my motherboard, and controller card |
| [16:34:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: hehehe... my case is nowhere near full... One of those ginormous Rocketfish Aluminum (re-branded Li-Ian case) ... I'm not out of memory or hdd, just lusting after more cpu 'oomph' since my h.264 'conversion'... ;-) |
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| [16:34:31] | wagnerrp: | Lian-Li? |
| [16:34:39] | wagnerrp: | seems your mind is on batteries |
| [16:34:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | yeah, that's it. ;-) was going off of memory. ^^ and the batteries are half-dead. hehehe |
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| [16:36:54] | wagnerrp: | well ive got space for 16 drives in mine, and ive got 15 in there |
| [16:38:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Mine's got 'mounts' for 6x3.5 drives internally, 2 3.5" externally, and 6x 5.25 externally. I have two 5-way 3.5" sata hot-swap bays in the 6 5.25 openings, with 8 drives (6 video, 2 mirrored OS/DB) |
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| [16:40:59] | wagnerrp: | 4x3.5" int, 1x3.5" ext, 11x5.25" |
| [16:41:44] | wagnerrp: | technically, i could stuff another 6 drives in there if i added another hotswap cage, and dropped the DVD-ROM and floppy |
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| [16:43:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Here's pics of my box – http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/inside.jpg http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/HDDs.jpg |
| [16:43:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | that case is ~24" high by 24" deep, by about 8" wide... |
| [16:44:17] | wagnerrp: | tiny |
| [16:44:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hehehe... ;-) Maybe compared to yours.... ;-) |
| [16:44:43] | ** wagnerrp goes for the camera ** | |
| [16:46:47] | sid3windr: | http://magic.powersource.cx/~tom/4U-15disk.jpg |
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| [16:48:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | sid3windr: nice... ;-) How many of those slots are populated with hdd's? |
| [16:50:25] | sid3windr: | 15 |
| [16:50:28] | sid3windr: | out of 15 |
| [16:50:35] | sid3windr: | ah no |
| [16:50:38] | sid3windr: | not anymore =) |
| [16:50:45] | sid3windr: | back when I took that pic it was 15x320 |
| [16:50:48] | sid3windr: | now it's 10x1TB |
| [16:50:53] | sid3windr: | with some room to expand |
| [16:51:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | nice... What controller do you have them connected to? |
| [16:51:19] | sid3windr: | that's the "home fileserver" – myth backend is same case, but only one 5-in-3 box with 5x320G in it |
| [16:51:23] | sid3windr: | areca 1160 |
| [16:51:32] | sid3windr: | on that pic, 2x marvell MV8 8-port cards |
| [16:51:44] | sid3windr: | jpg is about 3 years old, i've upgraded in the meanwhile, heh |
| [16:51:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | ah, a 'real' raid card. ;-) 16 ports, right? |
| [16:52:08] | sid3windr: | yup |
| [16:53:37] | wagnerrp: | well nevermind that... camera isnt wide angle enough to get a shot of the case without unplugging it |
| [16:54:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: ha! ;-) |
| [16:54:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | It must be a monster. |
| [16:54:32] | ** skd5aner is jealous now :( ** | |
| [16:54:43] | wagnerrp: | no, its just back in a corner, with very little cable slack |
| [16:55:39] | wagnerrp: | http://www.google.com/images?q=codegen+S-201 |
| [16:56:22] | sid3windr: | :-) |
| [16:56:36] | sid3windr: | yep that's huge alright. |
| [16:56:36] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [16:59:09] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: what case is that? |
| [17:03:26] | sid3windr: | supermicro something |
| [17:03:29] | sid3windr: | 645 or so |
| [17:03:43] | sid3windr: | J-e-f-f-A: took me a while to find this pic back... http://magic.powersource.cx/~tom/khalid-upgrade.jpg |
| [17:03:55] | sid3windr: | that's upgrading from 15x320 to 6x1T .. :D |
| [17:04:12] | sid3windr: | the disks on top are powered by the tower next to it =) |
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| [17:04:31] | Widget: | 'lo |
| [17:04:54] | skd5aner: | haha, "antistatic bag mounts" |
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| [17:05:40] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/4U/942/SC942i-550.cfm this one iirc, + 3x 5-in-3 from supermicro + rackmountkit |
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| [17:06:25] | sid3windr: | skd5aner: I didn't want to short the electronics out... I think I actually did that once by putting a disk temporarily on an uneven metallic surface :p |
| [17:06:42] | wagnerrp: | ah, weve got a handful of supermicro boxes at work, but theyve not newer disk caddies |
| [17:06:58] | sid3windr: | these are not new, pics are 3+ y old :) |
| [17:07:06] | sid3windr: | ah |
| [17:07:09] | sid3windr: | you mean s/not/got/ ? :) |
| [17:07:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, got |
| [17:09:35] | sid3windr: | :-) |
| [17:09:36] | Widget: | i did a database drop and restored it from a backup on monday, and all my backups since then won't restore |
| [17:09:45] | sid3windr: | we switched from SM to intel at work about a year ago |
| [17:09:48] | Widget: | i get duplicate key errors on names with accents in |
| [17:09:56] | wagnerrp: | planning on picking up one of these for the rebuild... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219021 |
| [17:10:06] | Widget: | any idea? |
| [17:10:25] | wagnerrp: | Widget: were these backups from 0.21? |
| [17:10:31] | Widget: | 0.22 |
| [17:10:49] | wagnerrp: | 0.22 shouldnt have those sorts of problems, since everything should be converted to utf |
| [17:11:03] | wagnerrp: | are you trying to do a partial restore? |
| [17:11:05] | Widget: | it was a clean database in 0.22 as well, I'm running a gentoo system but sorted out all those utf8 problems as I understood it |
| [17:11:08] | Widget: | no |
| [17:11:19] | Widget: | full story: tried to upgrade on Monday to 0.23, but it failed |
| [17:11:36] | Widget: | so I followed the procedure, dropped the database, created a blank one, and restored my backup |
| [17:11:58] | Widget: | i've just tried that again today, 0.23 is still segfaulting (but I don't care why right now) but my backups don't restore |
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| [17:12:46] | wagnerrp: | the database repair stuff was only going from 0.21 to 0.22 on misconfigured gentoo systems |
| [17:12:58] | wagnerrp: | theres no reason to drop and restore your database for normal upgrades |
| [17:13:07] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: ah, I read good stuff about norco cases.. and some less good (in that their design sometimes sucks wrt cooling) |
| [17:13:19] | Widget: | wagnerrp: the upgrade failed, so I was going back to 0.22 |
| [17:13:44] | Widget: | errors are of the order "ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 1667: Duplicate entry 'Zin?dine Zidane' for key 2" |
| [17:13:50] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: to be honest, weve got all sorts of overheat problems with our supermicro systems |
| [17:14:21] | sid3windr: | :-) |
| [17:14:42] | sid3windr: | I never had problems with supermicro, apart from deliveries taking ages and RMA service being painful |
| [17:14:55] | wagnerrp: | which doesnt make a lot of sense looking at the bank of fans theyve got in that thing |
| [17:14:56] | sid3windr: | I am reading this newegg review thing with giant amazement |
| [17:15:12] | sid3windr: | "The ears also only attach to the side of the case, and don't provide any support from the bottom. I was concerned enough to install a shelf for it to sit on in addition to the 4 screws on the ears. Did not order the rail kit as I'm front-mounting to a two post rack." |
| [17:15:26] | sid3windr: | someone really frontonlymounts a huge disk-carrying server case to 2 front rail posts? :| |
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| [17:15:36] | wagnerrp: | ??? |
| [17:15:49] | wagnerrp: | i thought the 2-post racks were only used for light networking equipment and such |
| [17:15:53] | sid3windr: | yes |
| [17:15:57] | sid3windr: | they're telco racks afaik :) |
| [17:16:04] | sid3windr: | patchpanels, switches, pbx, etc |
| [17:16:18] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: supermicro delivers their 1u with telco rack mounts |
| [17:16:22] | sid3windr: | so putting "the ears don't support the bottom" in "cons" ... :P |
| [17:16:43] | AndyCap: | though a two post rack with 42 1U servers balancing carefully in the middle sounds somewhat unsafe.. :P |
| [17:16:46] | sid3windr: | AndyCap: no way in hell an SM 1U can be held at the front only, barring 512/513 chassis |
| [17:16:55] | AndyCap: | sid3windr: who said anything about front only |
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| [17:17:17] | Widget: | i can restore my backup from monday but all backups made from it will be broken again |
| [17:17:23] | sid3windr: | AndyCap: the part I pasted.. :] |
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| [17:17:34] | sid3windr: | but you mean with 2 posts in the center I presume |
| [17:17:38] | sid3windr: | never saw that used anywhere |
| [17:18:22] | AndyCap: | sid3windr: yep. page 25 http://www.supermicro.com/manuals/superserver/1U/MNL-0705.pdf |
| [17:18:56] | AndyCap: | sid3windr: ah, a newegg review or something? |
| [17:19:17] | sid3windr: | hehe yeah I saw that when browsing the manuals |
| [17:19:20] | sid3windr: | yes, a newegg review =) |
| [17:19:23] | AndyCap: | I guess he will be a bit bent out of shape when he's done. |
| [17:19:24] | AndyCap: | :> |
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| [17:20:27] | AndyCap: | maybe he should get a ikea table instead. :P |
| [17:21:25] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [17:21:31] | sid3windr: | I have a few of those lackrack tables .. :> |
| [17:21:39] | sid3windr: | even one long enterprise version |
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| [17:22:27] | AndyCap: | O_o |
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| [17:37:03] | AndyCap: | anyone make a sun thumper clone case yet? :P |
| [17:37:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, some company, cant think of the name, fabbed their own 3x15 drive cases |
| [17:40:01] | AndyCap: | Hmm, I see supermicro has one but it looks horrible. :P |
| [17:40:04] | AndyCap: | http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/4U . . . 6-RJBOD1.cfm |
| [17:40:08] | wagnerrp: | i dont remember what the name was |
| [17:40:12] | wagnerrp: | some data hosting company |
| [17:40:28] | wagnerrp: | used a handful of controller cards, and 9 x5 multipliers |
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| [17:40:45] | AndyCap: | http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabyte . . . oud-storage/ |
| [17:41:03] | wagnerrp: | thats the one... i was thinking 'blazebox', and wasnt coming up with anything |
| [17:41:21] | wagnerrp: | wait, thats got hotswap on the front AND back? |
| [17:41:23] | AndyCap: | 45 drives 4U was the magic words. :P |
| [17:41:30] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: one end must get hot |
| [17:41:31] | wagnerrp: | funky |
| [17:42:04] | AndyCap: | the sun box is pretty elegant in comparison |
| [17:42:17] | wagnerrp: | indeed |
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| [17:43:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: So your case is shorter than mine, but twice as wide basically... kinda like two PC cases side-by-side it looks like. |
| [17:44:03] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: pretty much |
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| [17:50:21] | oneman: | If anyone is interested in beta / alpha testing for a project involving controlling FiOS STBs, please message me, you must have FiOS TV and an HD STB. |
| [17:50:42] | oneman: | Controlling them over a network I should say, not IR blasting |
| [17:51:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | oneman: Humm... sounds neat. I'm using firewire now. |
| [17:53:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | oneman: any speed advantage? My channel change takes < 1 second currently if you don't count the "sleep 2.5" at the end to let the HD-PVR stabilize. |
| [17:54:58] | oneman: | there is a lag time when fios tv changes channels, its about 1 second i would say |
| [17:55:26] | oneman: | its as fast as possible essentially |
| [17:55:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | oneman: I'm using 6200ch with the 4-second option, and 10ms inter-digit delay. it changes as soon as the 4th digit is received. |
| [17:56:52] | oneman: | this thing isn't going to really do anything for you as for speed of channel switching |
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| [18:02:13] | oneman: | If anyone is interested in this project please come to #fiostv |
| [18:02:24] | skd5aner: | grrr, xorg goes into failsafe mode and uses VESA instead of my nvidia drivers when trying to use the VGA port connected to my TV :P |
| [18:02:53] | skd5aner: | I have troubleshooting xorg/nvidia video crap |
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| [18:26:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: strange.... I had one MB that would not even POST if connected to the LCD monitor via DVI... but if you un-plugged it for 1 second, then plugged it back in after the POST completed,it was fine... |
| [18:26:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: Maybe you can overcome that issue with a 'static' modeline? |
| [18:28:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: but it's falling back to VESA? [strange]... |
| [18:33:41] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: ive read about the EDID eeprom being damaged in a HDTV |
| [18:33:51] | clever: | so if it was connected via dvi/hdmi, the computer wouldnt even post |
| [18:34:18] | wagnerrp: | s/damaged/non-compliant due to egregious ignorance/ |
| [18:34:18] | clever: | at first, it was just one hdmi port, so he switched to the other, until that one went toast too |
| [18:34:33] | clever: | wagnerrp: nope, one of the bytes in the eeprom got corrupt |
| [18:34:42] | clever: | he had to rewrite the eeprom with a custom i2c adapter to fix it |
| [18:34:55] | clever: | they actualy had the schematics in the manual, so it was easy |
| [18:36:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | That's probably what this was — it's an 18.2" Proview LCD that I bought about a zillion years ago... from a computer show... |
| [18:38:24] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: http://hackaday.com/2010/02/17/repairing-your-tv-edid/ |
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| [18:50:28] | skd5aner: | Yea, as good as this TV was in it's day, they definitely didn't care to think about the HTPC user :P |
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| [18:52:13] | edman007: | hi, does anyone have a hd-pvr with a working blaster? can you send me the firmware file that you are using? I think I got everything working but wrong firmware and I want to try different versions... |
| [18:53:13] | Beirdo: | you wanna try making an expensive brick, is that what I'm hearing? |
| [18:54:01] | edman007: | Beirdo, no...the "firmware" is remote control codes...not actually firmware..as far as i can tell |
| [18:54:16] | edman007: | the driver seems to use it as a lookup table |
| [18:54:43] | edman007: | and i think that is why i'm getting the error, it may be for the PVR-150 and from google i can see there is at least one other version out there |
| [18:54:56] | Beirdo: | whew |
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| [18:57:11] | Beirdo: | my HD-PVR should arrive on Tuesday, so I can't really help ya at this point |
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| [18:57:24] | Beirdo: | it's en-route from amazon right now |
| [18:57:25] | edman007: | awww |
| [18:58:12] | edman007: | Beirdo, well the blaster isn't exactly easy to get to work, it does not work with a vanilla kernel |
| [18:58:30] | edman007: | ubuntu/fedora may or may not...but i'm having trouble with their patches |
| [18:58:43] | edman007: | the actually recording part seems fine though |
| [18:59:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: I prefer Strawberry... ;-) |
| [18:59:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: What is your STB |
| [19:00:02] | edman007: | SA 8300HD |
| [19:00:27] | edman007: | i got the receive working with one happauge remote, but the blaster is more important |
| [19:00:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: Does it have a firewire port? |
| [19:01:14] | edman007: | and when it sends it says it can't find the key, looking at the driver source it looks like it means it can't find the key in the firmware |
| [19:01:18] | edman007: | J-e-f-f-A, yea... |
| [19:01:38] | edman007: | but i tried using it, and it seems to be really really good at hardlocking my system |
| [19:02:06] | edman007: | but it does change the channel on the box maybe 20% of the time |
| [19:02:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: Have you tried the 6200ch script? http://myhtv.org/wiki/6200ch |
| [19:02:47] | edman007: | J-e-f-f-A, yea, and it makes my system hardlock |
| [19:02:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: ouch. |
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| [19:05:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: I haven't tried the IR blaster on my HD-PVRs yet.. But I do have one IPTV box that I may try it with. My serial blaster isn't behaving right, but it may be an old os/kernelissue (I'm running FC8 and kernel 2.6.26 currently)... |
| [19:06:15] | kingkaeru___: | anyone here run the ACER nettop as a frontend? |
| [19:06:32] | kingkaeru___: | trying to get real world feedback on performance. does it lag at all? |
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| [19:07:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | kingkaeru___: if you're referring to the Revo 1600, there are several folks here that swear by them for frontends... I don't have one myself though... ;-) |
| [19:09:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: I had read about some issues with firewire with certain chipsets and kernels, but I thought those issues had been worked out – maybe that's what you're experiencing? |
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| [19:09:48] | edman007: | J-e-f-f-A, ehh, i got it on 2–3 kernels... |
| [19:09:59] | edman007: | 2.6.35 and 2.6.34 at least... |
| [19:10:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: Yeah, I haven't really followed it – I'd probably take a look at what firewire controller your pc has, then google around to see if there are any known issues. I'd suspect that more than your STB... |
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| [19:11:45] | edman007: | yea, well i think i can get the damn blaster to work :) |
| [19:11:54] | edman007: | i'm not giving up yet... |
| [19:12:09] | edman007: | it is too much work to deal with hardlocking a system |
| [19:12:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | I guess I just got 'lucky' – My switch over to HD-PVRs and FiOS HD STBs controlled by FireWire was pretty non-eventful... ;-) |
| [19:13:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | The biggest thing I've noticed is that mythcommflag now takes 70–80% of a cpu to commflag a HD 1080i program now... |
| [19:13:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | (and that's on an Athlon 64 X2 6000+ cpu!!!) |
| [19:14:19] | edman007: | J-e-f-f-A, that is and has been configurable for a long long time... |
| [19:14:52] | edman007: | the CPU use is whatever you want, but it takes longer for HD and takes longer if you don't let it got to 100% |
| [19:15:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: What has been "configurable"? |
| [19:15:24] | edman007: | the cpu use of mythcommflag |
| [19:15:46] | edman007: | there is an option for it buried in mythtv-setup |
| [19:16:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: Ok, well, I've never changed it I guess... It currently runs with a nice of 17. I never noticed it anywhere near that % busy with MPEG2 HD... |
| [19:16:23] | rhollan: | back |
| [19:16:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | kcab |
| [19:16:40] | edman007: | ehh, for standard def i have almost always had it just take 100% CPU |
| [19:16:52] | edman007: | and i understand hd would just take longer |
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| [19:17:02] | edman007: | if it uses less you might have slow drives or something... |
| [19:17:19] | edman007: | or you configured it to use less |
| [19:18:33] | kingkaeru___: | J-e-f-f-A: thanks, i was mostly concerned with the cpu/video card being capable of playing back HD content as well as the audio being over hdmi. mainly if it can do 5.1 sound over the hdmi |
| [19:19:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: Well, my video drives are horribly fragmented right now (I didn't know that xfs needed regular defragging!) ... so that's probably a contributor. |
| [19:19:23] | edman007: | it does? |
| [19:19:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: All my drives are SATA II, 6 individual drives in a storage group configuration. |
| [19:19:39] | edman007: | i got mythtv on raid5 right now, lol |
| [19:19:49] | edman007: | i need to buy more drives and move them off the raid |
| [19:19:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: Well, with my drives being between 97% and 99% fragmented, I would say so... ;-) |
| [19:19:54] | rhollan: | and here I thought my single 1T drive was, er, "impressive". |
| [19:20:11] | rhollan: | 'course it's in a FE/BE so I didn't want a huge, loud box |
| [19:20:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | rhollan: hehehe... i started with two 50GB SCSI 15Krpm video drives... ;-) |
| [19:20:17] | edman007: | rhollan, impressive? for mythtv? hah |
| [19:20:46] | edman007: | i got 1.5TB in hardware raid5, and i don't think that is even close to "large" for this channel anyways |
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| [19:21:04] | edman007: | i bet there are even multiple in here with over 10TB for their mythtv |
| [19:21:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: xfs_db -c frag -r /dev/sdc1 <- or whatever your xfs partition is... |
| [19:21:08] | edman007: | setup |
| [19:21:32] | edman007: | J-e-f-f-A, alright, thanks, i'll do that once i get this stuff working |
| [19:21:38] | edman007: | J-e-f-f-A, and i think i found out the problem... |
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| [19:21:40] | clever: | i use xfs_fsr -v |
| [19:21:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: That will tell you the % fragmented... |
| [19:22:26] | clever: | ah |
| [19:22:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: ^^ That will de-fragment it... should be in a daily cron job as it will run for 2 hrs then quit. |
| [19:22:32] | edman007: | J-e-f-f-A, hah, looks like i switched myth to ext3 last time xfs started acting up on me |
| [19:22:34] | clever: | xfs_fsr is to actualy defrag |
| [19:23:08] | edman007: | i use to have xfs for my myth stuff |
| [19:23:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: Ah, so you don't have any online defrag tool. |
| [19:23:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | (with ext3 as far as I know...) |
| [19:23:42] | clever: | i'm not sure you can even offline defrag ext3 |
| [19:24:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: It's pretty bad when all 6 of my video drives were 96+% fragmented (Two 1TB and Four 500GB drives!) |
| [19:26:04] | edman007: | J-e-f-f-A, yea, but what does that mean? 96% fragmented? 96% of what? if them mean of files, well that is nothing, if you have all 10GB files and they are each fragmented into 2 chunks then would you call that 100% fragmented? because that is a very small amount of fragmentation... |
| [19:27:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | Looks like it would be impossible to get my fragmentation numbers down with myth running and the on-line defrag tool.. my drives are currently: ??.??% 95.50% 87.45% 97.91% 98.17% 98.07% (one drive causes the frag command to segfault!) |
| [19:27:43] | rhollan: | edman007: Oh sure. I was initially planning to use mythtv just to serve ripped media: about 200 CDs and maybe 40 DVDs, so 1T would be "a lot" (I started with 500 GB). |
| [19:27:59] | rhollan: | But, now since I CAN record TV, I DO :-> |
| [19:28:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | I had a couple of the drives down to 50% and 70%, but they're already backup in the 80s/90s... |
| [19:28:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: Well, when i ran the defrag in 'verbose' mode and it was showing files fragmented into THOUSANDS of parts, that's pretty bad! |
| [19:28:51] | edman007: | rhollan, when 500GB was huge, i had mythtv and hbo...i think i filled it up in under a month |
| [19:29:46] | rhollan: | edman007: yeah, and drives are getting cheap: I say a 5400 RPM 1T drive for around $60 the other day. |
| [19:30:33] | edman007: | J-e-f-f-A, i think what is more important is the size of the fragments, not the number of fragments, if the fragments are many MB, like say 50+MB, then it is nothing, especially for mythtv stuff |
| [19:30:35] | ** J-e-f-f-A picked up two 1TB 7200 RPM drives for $59 each last week... ;-) ** | |
| [19:30:48] | rhollan: | But, when I started, it was with the dream of ripping my 200 or so CDs. And, the sweet spot pricewise was for 25 GB drives. |
| [19:30:54] | edman007: | i'm going to get a nice large array in a month or so... |
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| [19:31:02] | rhollan: | Ripped without compression, I figured I needed $140 GB worth. |
| [19:31:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: Well, I had NEVER defragged my partitions since setting up my storage groups ~1 to 2 years ago... |
| [19:31:35] | wagnerrp: | i just lost power.... |
| [19:31:40] | edman007: | wagnerrp, yay |
| [19:31:43] | skd5aner: | yet he coninues to type |
| [19:31:44] | rhollan: | er, 140 GB worth, at $200 per @25G drive, that was 6 drives for 150GB and $1200 |
| [19:31:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Fire up the generator!!!! |
| [19:32:14] | wagnerrp: | dont have one, just a bunch of batteries |
| [19:32:19] | wagnerrp: | it was only out for about 3 seconds |
| [19:32:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: I'll bet he has a UPS... ;-) ^ yeah. |
| [19:32:59] | wagnerrp: | 1250VA unit in the basement |
| [19:33:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | edman007: As an example: extents before:2779 after:39 ino=46637 |
| [19:33:10] | wagnerrp: | if i shutdown my file server and one of my frontends connected to it |
| [19:33:17] | wagnerrp: | i can keep my network active for ~6hrs |
| [19:33:33] | wagnerrp: | probably longer, ive never actually tested it |
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| [19:33:54] | skd5aner: | ugh... I found this issue I think, it's invalid horizsync ranges |
| [19:34:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, we've got a few 1400's here at work – they last 2–3 hrs with a few network switches and routers on them... |
| [19:35:00] | wagnerrp: | this would be... a little geode firewall, cisco modem, 2x8-port gigabit, and a 5-port+wireless |
| [19:35:15] | wagnerrp: | maybe 20W total |
| [19:35:23] | wagnerrp: | on a unit rated for like 750W |
| [19:35:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'm going to re-do my system over the weekend, and one of my tasks is going to de-fragment my Video drives by moving the files to different/new drives to start 'clean'... |
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| [19:35:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: So you're probably using more battery power generating the AC sinewave then you're actually consuming... ;-) |
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| [19:36:39] | wagnerrp: | yeah... would be interesting to find a unit rated for like 100W at 12VDC |
| [19:36:48] | wagnerrp: | all that stuff runs of DC power supplies |
| [19:37:08] | rhollan: | go telco grade with -48V DC ;-) |
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| [19:41:01] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: with xfs_db -c frag -r, which is better?, 99.07% or 0.71%? |
| [19:41:10] | clever: | ive got drives at both ends |
| [19:41:40] | wagnerrp: | which is full and which is empty? |
| [19:41:55] | wagnerrp: | the full one is the bad one |
| [19:42:00] | clever: | they are at 55% and 37% full |
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| [19:42:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: The lower number is better... ;-) |
| [19:42:40] | clever: | kk |
| [19:42:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^^ and what wagnerrp said. ;-) |
| [19:43:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | My drives are 9x% full – they're MythTV Video storage drives after all... ;-) |
| [19:43:53] | clever: | mine are 100% with ~9gig free each |
| [19:45:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | Mine are in the high 90's with 14–23GB free each. (mix of 1TB and 500GB drives) |
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| [20:19:47] | justinh: | ugh. wife has the england game on telly |
| [20:20:07] | justinh: | doubt even a vuvuzella filter would help how atrocious the sound is |
| [20:20:19] | skd5aner: | praise the Lord, I've gotten my TV to work via VGA at it's native resolution :O |
| [20:20:19] | grumpydevil: | no problem. game is over |
| [20:20:29] | Beirdo: | justinh: there is this thing called a mute button |
| [20:20:31] | justinh: | the commentary is making the background sound pump |
| [20:20:44] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: for wives? |
| [20:20:48] | justinh: | ITV rely on their comp/limiter |
| [20:20:50] | Beirdo: | hehe, no comment |
| [20:21:04] | Beirdo: | I meant for the TV |
| [20:21:08] | skd5aner: | ;) |
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| [20:22:04] | grumpydevil: | interesting poule... none of the countries have a win yet |
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| [20:41:42] | ** skd5aner is giving jya's vuvuzela filter another shot ** | |
| [20:52:14] | justinh: | doubt it'll be much cop when the level is constantly pumping |
| [20:52:21] | justinh: | stupid ITV |
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| [21:16:39] | Beirdo: | newegg, you bungholes. |
| [21:16:48] | Beirdo: | they have directed ads on other sites |
| [21:16:58] | Beirdo: | featuring... the stuff I bought yesterday |
| [21:17:03] | Beirdo: | stupid cookies |
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| [21:24:55] | Saviq: | hi all, I'm trying out the Power Search feature to record all programmes with a category, is there no check for duplicates performed? 'cause I'm getting conflicts with the same programme broadcasted on the same, but non-hd channel, and also duplicate recordings on a later date |
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| [21:40:16] | sphery: | Saviq: The dups on same, non-HD channel is an issues that's existed for a long time that only occurs when 2 channels showing identical content have different callsigns. The other dups shouldn't happen--and I would guess are happening for completely-unrelated-to-your-Power-Search-rule reasons (i.e. the shows are generics or whatever). |
| [21:41:28] | Saviq: | sphery: generics? the channels have the same xmltvid, if that makes a difference |
| [21:41:32] | sphery: | So, basically, if you have an HDTV and an SDTV version of a channel and they have identical content all the time, you can circumvent that issue by editing the callsigns using the MythWeb, mythtv-setup, or mythfrontend channel editor. |
| [21:41:54] | sphery: | Saviq: generics meaning that the episode is not a known episode--it's a "generic" episode description |
| [21:42:16] | Saviq: | sphery: so I should make them have the same callsign? |
| [21:43:40] | skd5aner: | what exactly is the non-technical purpose of the vdpaustudio filter? What is the point of it? |
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| [21:50:39] | AndyCap: | skd5aner: not smear out and cut off the colourspace? |
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| [22:06:10] | skd5aner: | well, I think I'm going to play around with some of the filters, see if they make much of a difference, thanks |
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| [22:22:26] | skd5aner: | hmmm, think I stumbled across a bug... I can't add new criteria to a new playback profile |
| [22:22:48] | skd5aner: | It doesn't appear to save the criteria entry |
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| [22:35:44] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, known bug--the setup GUI is borked and has been since the Qt4 port |
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| [22:35:55] | skd5aner: | sphery: dupe? |
| [22:36:05] | sphery: | skd5aner: it's jut not something anyone really cares to fix because it's not a straightforward fix and it's "dead code" |
| [22:36:46] | sphery: | no clue whether it exists in the mess of tickets or not |
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| [22:37:20] | skd5aner: | sperhy: ok, just checking as I try to avoid that |
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| [22:37:27] | sphery: | actually, yeah, it is--fortunately I fixed something mentioned (but unrelated) on the ticket |
| [22:37:29] | skd5aner: | but didn't notice any during a brief search |
| [22:37:52] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7004 |
| [22:38:25] | sphery: | it's actually working, though--it saves everything--just doesn't display the update |
| [22:38:32] | sphery: | so you do one, next through to finish |
| [22:38:34] | sphery: | then go back |
| [22:38:37] | sphery: | do the next... |
| [22:38:39] | sphery: | etc |
| [22:39:33] | sphery: | Guess I was too slow noticing your comment, here |
| [22:40:04] | skd5aner: | sphery: I don't see it saving anything in the DB? |
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| [22:40:45] | skd5aner: | sphery: let me go see if I can click all the way through the settings screen and see what happens |
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| [22:41:50] | sphery: | you have to click all the way through--if you don't Finish, it's not saved |
| [22:41:58] | skd5aner: | well, which screen? |
| [22:42:01] | sphery: | but the 2nd time through, you'll see the entry |
| [22:42:02] | skd5aner: | the overall screen? |
| [22:42:10] | skd5aner: | k, let me go check :) |
| [22:42:11] | sphery: | the entire Playback Settings section |
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| [22:43:21] | sphery: | skd5aner: I'll admit that the process is unusable for anyone who isn't given the secret, but I spent more time looking into it than I feel it's worth since we need a whole new settings UI |
| [22:43:47] | skd5aner: | sphery: indeed, you are correct |
| [22:44:03] | sphery: | skd5aner: oh, and no worries about not finding the ticket in there--anymore, there's so much stuff, I can't find anything, either :) |
| [22:44:18] | skd5aner: | want me to add that detail to the ticket or anything? |
| [22:44:39] | justinh: | huh? not seeing any video metadata on my frontend whatsoever |
| [22:44:42] | sphery: | I closed it as a dup, but if you'd like to put some instructions on #7004 so we can direct other users to it, that would be /great/ |
| [22:45:06] | skd5aner: | k – will do, a little later – thanks for the quick find and workaround |
| [22:45:09] | justinh: | ahhh disabled file browse mode & there it all is :) |
| [22:45:15] | sphery: | justinh: did you get the Pro version? MythTV Home doesn't support that. Only Pro and Ultimate do. ;) |
| [22:45:28] | justinh: | lol |
| [22:45:35] | skd5aner: | sphery: I gave justinh my keygen... so, he should be set |
| [22:45:40] | justinh: | I'm not paying $20 for that! |
| [22:45:55] | justinh: | for that, nor for VAAPI support I hasten to add |
| [22:45:58] | justinh: | sheesh |
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| [22:46:17] | wagnerrp: | justinh: i hear some guy will pay you $20 to add that VAAPI support |
| [22:46:33] | justinh: | I hear I don't get out of bed for less than $500 :D |
| [22:46:43] | sphery: | skd5aner: Once I remember how to do it, I'm going to to kick you for talking about circumventing MythTV DRM. So, use the last 2 or 3 days in here to say whatever parting words you have. |
| [22:47:13] | ** sphery goes back to working on MGA (MythTV Genuine Advantage) ** | |
| [22:47:14] | justinh: | sphery: DRM? Cool so that means I can use my CableCord(TM) now? |
| [22:47:34] | sphery: | No, this just locks up the MythTV app--doesn't allow access to other stuff |
| [22:47:46] | sphery: | :) |
| [22:50:02] | justinh: | ah right – so anybody emailing the ML about lockups is a paid up registered user. I get it now |
| [22:50:07] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Regarding the recordedfile changes, the initial commits will just be putting the tables in place... After that, we'll have a series of individual commits modifying code to use the new tables and moving data into those tables. |
| [22:50:14] | sphery: | so it should be easier for you to keep up |
| [22:51:32] | justinh: | arghh rats. need to get more of 'concept' up to snuff. I can't even filter my videos |
| [22:52:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so the EIT-to-save-me-$20-per-year-but-limit-me-to-8-hrs-of-data thread has gone on way too long--especially since there have been changes in trunk... |
| [22:53:03] | sphery: | + http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5754 |
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| [22:54:08] | justinh: | right. now to tinker with alsa again |
| [22:56:22] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im thinking for at least one release, i would want to keep the old data structures functional |
| [22:56:22] | Beirdo: | brain hurt |
| [22:56:40] | wagnerrp: | have them translate their information to the new structures |
| [22:57:05] | Beirdo: | sphery: please don't let me fall behind you guys too much on that stuff :) |
| [22:57:14] | Beirdo: | it will make nuvexport a lot cleaner too |
| [22:57:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that would require duplicating information--and ensuring that when one location is updated, the other is simultaneously updated |
| [22:57:56] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no, it would just require rewriting my old structures to write to the new tables |
| [22:58:09] | Beirdo: | It would require beer |
| [22:58:09] | sphery: | oh, you mean in the bindings versus in the DB? |
| [22:58:15] | wagnerrp: | right, in the bindings |
| [22:58:18] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [22:58:32] | wagnerrp: | that, and spew unsquelchable warnings to the screen every time they use it |
| [22:58:50] | sphery: | in the DB, I don't know to what extent I'll maintain "the old stuff"--columns to delete may stay (but become unpopulated for new records) and similar, but... |
| [22:58:52] | ** wagnerrp enjoys spewing warnings ** | |
| [23:00:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp + Beirdo : I did this ( http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/recordedfile_schema.png ) to make sure I understood where we were going with it (excuse the GIMP-added lines kind of showing relationships--I couldn't figure out how to get proper relationships into the program I used (Druid – http://druid.sourceforge.net/ )) |
| [23:01:18] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i saw that posted a couple days ago |
| [23:01:20] | sphery: | danielk mentioned something about breaking videofileinfo out--my understanding of his comment was that he wanted audio and video info as separate tables so we could handle, i.e. 1 stream of video + 2 streams of audio or whatever |
| [23:01:48] | sphery: | so it's not yet done--also the varchar-255's aren't right (they will be varchars, but it wasn't worth the effort to put proper lengths on them) |
| [23:03:20] | sphery: | heh, I like RDV's HTML mail. Very good contrast. :) |
| [23:03:58] | Beirdo: | nice pretty picture |
| [23:03:59] | justinh: | heheh totally got separate audio channels going now |
| [23:04:06] | justinh: | all without resorting to USB |
| [23:04:13] | wagnerrp: | was that intentional? |
| [23:05:18] | justinh: | yup |
| [23:05:26] | Beirdo: | sphery: I'll check in nuvexport to see if anything that we use is missing from videofileinfo |
| [23:05:27] | wagnerrp: | not a fan of the foreground text, but ive got the same background color for my gvim profile |
| [23:05:37] | wagnerrp: | justinh: referring to RDV's email |
| [23:05:48] | justinh: | turned out where I thought I was going wrong with the asound.conf was that new stuff made by it isn't listed in aplay -L |
| [23:05:50] | Beirdo: | I think some might be |
| [23:06:02] | justinh: | I mean why on Earth they don't list *everything* .. pfft |
| [23:06:04] | Beirdo: | like audio_rate is what? sample rate? |
| [23:06:09] | sphery: | Beirdo: btw, if you're serious about VAAPI (wasn't that you?), you may want to placate the OP in "[mythtv-users] Refund: Speed up the developmentofHardwareacceleration in Mythtv" |
| [23:06:26] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i pointed him to that earlier today |
| [23:06:28] | sphery: | he seems to think there's a reason other than no one has done the work that we don't have VAAPI support |
| [23:06:34] | Beirdo: | sphery: I've been ignoring that list, mostly :) |
| [23:06:39] | sphery: | understandable |
| [23:06:42] | wagnerrp: | (actually pointed him at the mythtvtalk thread) |
| [23:06:45] | justinh: | sphery: THE CONSPIRACY |
| [23:06:56] | justinh: | nvidia are paying mythtv devs not to do it |
| [23:07:00] | Beirdo: | Yeah, it's not there because I moved like 4000 miles. |
| [23:07:03] | justinh: | they're all shills, every last one of them |
| [23:07:06] | Beirdo: | he can deal with it for the moment :) |
| [23:07:12] | sphery: | exactly... Just like we don't support DirectX Video Input--it's all a conspiracy. |
| [23:07:16] | Beirdo: | oooh |
| [23:07:24] | Beirdo: | Poulsbo's actually close to here |
| [23:07:39] | Beirdo: | the town the crappy chipset was named for (as best as I can tell) |
| [23:07:46] | wagnerrp: | i was going to send a reply along the lines of that you either need to provide proper compensation, or incentive in the form of hardware donations, to get devs to do things for you |
| [23:07:50] | justinh: | ookees. time to take squeezeslave for a test drive on my frontend |
| [23:08:05] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah, if he wants to send me another device, that might help :) |
| [23:08:05] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:08:18] | Beirdo: | I do have a Poulsbo device to work with though |
| [23:08:19] | wagnerrp: | and that proper compensation starts at 4-figures, and the hardware donations have already been sent to someone who was going to work on it once he got settled in from a long distance move |
| [23:08:40] | Beirdo: | yeah. I plan on doing it RSN |
| [23:08:55] | wagnerrp: | these pittance $20 bounties arent going to motivate anyone who programs for a living |
| [23:09:06] | Beirdo: | and I may take a bite out of the butt of the UPNP server if nobody else bites it first |
| [23:09:15] | Beirdo: | my TV does UPNP |
| [23:09:16] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [23:09:25] | Beirdo: | or whatever the heck it's called now |
| [23:09:31] | Beirdo: | DLNA? |
| [23:09:34] | wagnerrp: | DLNA is a subset of UPNP |
| [23:09:54] | Beirdo: | it's all related |
| [23:09:55] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [23:10:04] | Beirdo: | so I have vested interest in seeing that work too |
| [23:10:32] | Beirdo: | it's actually cool. The second I start mythbackend, the TV adds it to my sources list... or real fast anyways |
| [23:11:05] | wagnerrp: | my playstation requires me to manually initiate a scan |
| [23:11:12] | wagnerrp: | it only does it once automatically on startup |
| [23:11:18] | justinh: | woohoo! |
| [23:11:19] | Beirdo: | it kinda surprised me. :) |
| [23:11:26] | Beirdo: | but in a good way |
| [23:11:26] | justinh: | one less hardware device to buy |
| [23:11:43] | Beirdo: | I'll add some video to it over the weekend (from my old setup) |
| [23:11:57] | Beirdo: | not as recordings, just my videos for a start |
| [23:12:07] | sphery: | Beirdo: no, he said he doesn't need to provide you any new hardware: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/440530#440530 |
| [23:12:17] | justinh: | blinkin heck. this networked music stuff is almighty responsive |
| [23:12:43] | wagnerrp: | assuming youve got VDPAU hardware |
| [23:12:47] | sphery: | It took forever to find that since a) the guy's e-mail client doesn't thread properly since he uses Forward and b) he has 2 differently-titled threads on it |
| [23:13:24] | justinh: | I think I'm a-really-gonna have to take a peek at mythsqueezebox & see if it can't be turned into a real plugin |
| [23:13:45] | ** wagnerrp wonders what would cost more... the little Dell box, or shipping it to Australia ** | |
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| [23:14:50] | wagnerrp: | speaking of which... |
| [23:14:54] | sphery: | justinh: you might want to follow the ingenious model used the the Apple Trailers Plugin--just hack a bunch of things into the main menu |
| [23:15:31] | sphery: | jya: heh, we were just laughing at the response the user gave you on your VAAPI post ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/440530#440530 ) |
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| [23:15:54] | wagnerrp: | [19:13] * wagnerrp wonders what would cost more... the little Dell box, or shipping it to Australia |
| [23:16:06] | jya: | Got caught there for sure... |
| [23:16:52] | jya: | Dell doesn't do that GMA3100 based tiny box anymore.. |
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| [23:17:05] | sphery: | I liked how it came across as, "Oh, you can make it work without my having to provide you anything, so do it for me, slave!" (Though I recognize that wasn't his intention.) |
| [23:17:17] | jya: | they have a zinoHD, but it's damned pricey for wht it is |
| [23:17:30] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you want to field the response to the EIT thread or should I? |
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| [23:17:52] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I sent one that linked the ticket--or did you mean someone responded to that? |
| [23:18:07] | sphery: | uggghhhh |
| [23:18:10] | wagnerrp: | someone suggested he use mc2xml |
| [23:18:12] | jya: | I wonder if some people's brain are wired to only read a few lines in emails, and carefully ignore everything of relevance |
| [23:18:34] | jya: | why is this guy constantly trying to play 7.1 audio via pulse and a spdif connection? |
| [23:18:51] | wagnerrp: | cluelessness? |
| [23:19:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I think I've lost all credibility on the ToS stuff in prior threads, so I'm likely to stay out of it |
| [23:19:08] | jya: | in how many ways can i say that pulse is stereo only, and spdif is 5.1 max? |
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| [23:19:40] | jya: | sphery: isn't schedule direct for the US only? the guy was mentioning being in Europe |
| [23:19:41] | sphery: | Though I could probably get away with sending a simple, "Please verify with your Windows MCE Terms of Service and/or Microsoft before doing so." |
| [23:19:54] | justinh: | jya: ah but the other 2 channels the spdif doesn't carry can go over a spare analogue output with pulse, right? ;) |
| [23:20:06] | justinh: | the answer is 5.1, carry 2 |
| [23:20:11] | sphery: | jya: the OP was US, some Europeans jumped in to defend EIT when wagnerrp mentioned that US EIT is basically useless |
| [23:20:47] | Beirdo: | jya: I have the hardware and desire to work on the VAAPI stuff. If you want to work on it, you can go for it, but I'm planning to work on it really soon, so speak up quickly :) |
| [23:20:47] | wagnerrp: | arguably if there is indeed a problem, it should be fixed for the benefit of the european users |
| [23:20:52] | justinh: | I mean look at all the sockets on the back of my frontend.. I BET I can get it to do 3D ... somehow |
| [23:20:53] | wagnerrp: | but the OP should not be using EIT |
| [23:21:10] | jya: | ah ok, you wrote "the OP" |
| [23:21:11] | sphery: | jya: original post: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/440367#440367 , ATSC mention by the OP: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/440406#440406 |
| [23:21:30] | jya: | i only read the "But others in Europe, like myself, only get Current and Next," |
| [23:21:34] | justinh: | right, so now I just need to change the identifier for this squeezeslave & get it to start when everything else does |
| [23:21:49] | sphery: | Oh, yeah, I only replied to that one in particular because I had deleted all the others :) |
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| [23:22:12] | jya: | Beirdo: I don't mind one way or another... |
| [23:23:09] | Beirdo: | OK. Fair enough |
| [23:23:30] | Beirdo: | past GMA500, I won't be able to test quite yet, but it will get there soon enough |
| [23:24:17] | sphery: | jya: Heh, I didn't think about Pulse being stereo only, but that's another great reason to give to users about why they shouldn't generally use it on their Myth boxes. Out of curiosity, is that Pulse in general, or just our implementation of support for it? |
| [23:24:38] | jya: | it's how pulse is configured |
| [23:24:44] | wagnerrp: | sphery: http://mc2xml.110mb.com/#orb |
| [23:25:00] | jya: | and on ubuntu, it opens as 44.1kHz the audio card |
| [23:25:28] | jya: | reason he's hearing noise, is because we feed pulse 48kHz AC3, then pulse server resample the audio at 44.1kHz before playing it |
| [23:25:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, they write software to steal listings, then complain when someone else "steals" their software |
| [23:25:43] | sphery: | what was the other program that did something like that.... |
| [23:25:48] | jya: | you have no way of telling pulse that what you're feeding it is raw digital |
| [23:26:35] | sphery: | 44.1kHz? Strange choice (good for CD-A, but why would that be the primary focus for a Pulse user?) |
| [23:26:44] | Beirdo: | why not? |
| [23:26:45] | jya: | no clue |
| [23:26:50] | Beirdo: | most of us play CDs |
| [23:26:50] | justinh: | pulse is meant to be all that.. and from a pro-ish audio background I'll say it's a PITA |
| [23:26:54] | jya: | and worse, their default resampler is buggy |
| [23:27:01] | jya: | you hear static in many cases |
| [23:27:01] | Beirdo: | now THAT is an issue |
| [23:27:14] | sphery: | aren't most MP3's 48kHz? |
| [23:27:19] | justinh: | nah |
| [23:27:21] | Beirdo: | not likely |
| [23:27:26] | justinh: | digital TV is sure |
| [23:27:27] | Beirdo: | not unless recorded from DAT |
| [23:27:30] | jya: | all of mine are... |
| [23:27:33] | justinh: | DVD likely is too |
| [23:27:38] | Beirdo: | TV and DVD is 48k |
| [23:27:42] | Beirdo: | CDs are 44.1 |
| [23:28:02] | Beirdo: | by my understanding :) |
| [23:28:06] | justinh: | you can resample to 48k when ripping.. but what's the point? |
| [23:28:18] | sphery: | ah, then 44.1 might work--of course, the /vast/ majority of PC sound cards (at least AC'97--and most(?) HDA cards) only do 48kHz and resample everything else, so... |
| [23:28:19] | justinh: | you don't gain anything.. |
| [23:28:24] | Beirdo: | yeah... and lose fidelity and space for bits |
| [23:28:26] | jya: | the issue is pulse isn't designed to do what he wants to do |
| [23:28:40] | justinh: | what was it designed for? ;-) |
| [23:28:42] | jya: | it opens the audio card in one way at the beginning of the session |
| [23:28:52] | jya: | and you can't change it half way |
| [23:28:55] | Beirdo: | yeah... 48kHz is the standard for the cheap sound implementations |
| [23:29:02] | jya: | so it opens in 44.1kHz , stereo |
| [23:29:12] | justinh: | simplifying Jonny Fartpants hooking up his bluetooth headset on the go & zip all else? Meh |
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| [23:29:55] | jya: | if you feed it AC3 at 48kHz, pulse sees this as an audio stream, resample it as 44.1kHz and plays it |
| [23:30:01] | justinh: | heheh |
| [23:30:03] | jya: | the guy hears then weird noises |
| [23:30:17] | jya: | because resampled AC3 without decoding it, is bad |
| [23:30:25] | justinh: | and pulse only has a given number of predefined scenarios |
| [23:30:27] | jya: | something I just fixed last night... |
| [23:30:30] | Beirdo: | pulse-- |
| [23:30:55] | Beirdo: | hmmm, what PCI-based VDPAU-capable cards can I find, I wonder |
| [23:31:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: worse than their being upset that Orb "steals" their listings-stealing software is the "DonationWare" part--they write software to steal listings, then ask people to pay them for that software. |
| [23:31:08] | justinh: | heh I remember when I had my passthru device set to ALSA:default by mistake. bleugh |
| [23:31:25] | Beirdo: | current card is: |
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| [23:31:45] | Beirdo: | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600 LE] (rev a2) |
| [23:31:47] | justinh: | AV receiver goes SWEEET.. nice audio. Teevee went SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| [23:31:53] | Beirdo: | not QUITE good enough |
| [23:31:54] | sphery: | note, also, to anyone for who mc2xml is the only way of obtaining listings--the software is "Made in Canada", so it's not the only way for the author. |
| [23:32:01] | jya: | Ideally, I would need to show the 5.1, 7.1 etc... based on what the device reports... that would prevent such user trying something he can't fundamentally do |
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| [23:32:35] | wagnerrp: | sphery: ive got a friend who's a patent lawyer.... i should get him to teach me proper (excessively verbose) legalese one of these days |
| [23:32:37] | jya: | but I was too lazy to implement a settings screen, where one field content depends on another... |
| [23:33:09] | jya: | anyone wants to do a Qt screen for me doing that? |
| [23:33:27] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Heh, that would be good... I think your reply was very good, though, for a non-lawyer. |
| [23:34:13] | jya: | like, select ALSA:blah, we query the device on how many channels are supported, display AC3 or DTS. If the device reports stereo only, and he checks AC3 or DTS, we show 5.1. If device reports 6 and 8 , we show 5.1 and 7.1 |
| [23:34:17] | sphery: | jya: I'd be more interested in changing frontend settings to mythui--I'm actually considering some of that just because it's less annoying than writing already-obsolete code that will just have to be replaced later |
| [23:34:36] | jya: | sphery: I've stayed clear of that one for sure... |
| [23:34:42] | sphery: | i.e. instead of fixing #7004 and #6637 and ... just convert those sections to mythui |
| [23:35:01] | jya: | don't want to feel like markk_ who spent 6 months of his life on something similar |
| [23:35:10] | sphery: | yeah, I have so far, too--I'd have to come up to speed on the mythui stuff (and I know I'm /way/ behind speed now :) |
| [23:35:19] | Beirdo: | OK, ye gods and demigods of VDPAU use... what would you consider to be a reasonable baseline GPU to aim for to ride the price/power curve? |
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| [23:35:30] | jya: | GT220... |
| [23:35:36] | sphery: | and it must be PCI :) |
| [23:35:39] | jya: | not PCI |
| [23:35:48] | Beirdo: | yes, I need PCI (stupid old box) |
| [23:35:49] | jya: | I think 8400 is going to be your only hope |
| [23:35:55] | tweek__: | is there a way to get the cut list (what mythcommflag outputs) using the Python bindings? I'm not finding it in the source |
| [23:35:56] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, that's why I did the system event editor in MythUI. :) |
| [23:36:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | didn't want to have to redo later. |
| [23:36:17] | Captain_Murdoch: | or sooner |
| [23:36:17] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: heh, I thought that was just a bit too pretty--now I understand why |
| [23:36:21] | tweek__: | (that's more-or-less why I asked in the devel channel, as a recommendation for .24) |
| [23:36:49] | sphery: | tweek__: the master of all things MythTV-Python is here, so here's a great channel for it :) |
| [23:36:54] | jya: | is the plan is to redo the settings for mytui before 0.24 ? |
| [23:37:05] | sphery: | I think it would be nice to do so |
| [23:37:06] | Captain_Murdoch: | that got me on the never-ending rabbit trail of trying to align a buttonlist with fixed items but I eventually gave up on that for other itches. |
| [23:37:16] | sphery: | at least the frontend settings--as backend is going to http |
| [23:37:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | no plan before 0.24, no. |
| [23:37:36] | Captain_Murdoch: | hopefully we'll get 0.24 out the door in < 2 months. |
| [23:37:37] | sphery: | ah, yeah, I remember the aligned-buttonlist issue |
| [23:38:06] | jya: | well, I'll have to redo the audio bit... I hate those settings right now, such a pain to align everything, always seem to take random places... but I can understand why the user is confused |
| [23:38:19] | jya: | he has a 7.1 amp, he connected to spdif |
| [23:38:30] | jya: | doesn't care of the technical bits, so he chose 7.1 |
| [23:38:31] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: how did you deal with theming--just made it themed in the code? |
| [23:39:00] | sphery: | or do themers have to create a separate window for it or whatever? |
| [23:39:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | no, I created pages in the default and default wide themes and iamlindoro themed Arclight |
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| [23:39:11] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [23:39:34] | sphery: | yeah, I started to think that Arclight looked different on that screen |
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| [23:39:57] | Beirdo: | I miss some of the old themes. too bad I'm not graphically inclined |
| [23:40:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | it does have a slight issue when run from mythtv-setup I think because of the mythui, but can't recall. |
| [23:40:22] | sphery: | So--I know there was concern over forcing themers to theme every setup page, before--do you think the default/default-wide approach is reasonable at least until someone comes up with a better approach |
| [23:40:42] | sphery: | if I were to get bored and do a section or 2 of frontend setup at a time, that is |
| [23:40:52] | Beirdo: | Oh, I wish that PCI-Express was called something else to better let me search for PCI |
| [23:41:00] | tweek__: | guess the only options are 'direct SQL hacking' (god I hate iamlin) or running mythcommflag directly? |
| [23:41:29] | justinh: | sphery: I think the existing approach of falling back to default & default-wide is just fine |
| [23:41:30] | jya: | Beirdo: you don't have much choice... AFAIK, there's a 8400 PCI and there was a 9400GT PCI, but people had trouble finding it... |
| [23:41:30] | sphery: | tweek__: I'd guess the Python bindings allow it |
| [23:42:05] | sphery: | tweek__: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Python_bindings would know more than me |
| [23:42:10] | Beirdo: | yeah, but searching for them on amazon is problematic as PCI matches PCI-E and PCI Express, etc |
| [23:42:16] | tweek__: | I've checked through that already, now I'm grepping through source |
| [23:42:54] | jya: | what I do usually is search on the manufacturer's site, get the reference model, then search that one on newegg or amazon |
| [23:42:57] | sphery: | tweek__: if they don't currently, I'm sure wagnerrp would love to get a patch that adds support for it (i.e. instead of doing the direct access in your script, at least add it to the bindings, then use the bindings to access it) |
| [23:43:11] | tweek__: | ok, might as well |
| [23:43:15] | Beirdo: | newegg lets you search by parameters |
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| [23:44:11] | jya: | !hate those PGP signature on public mailing list |
| [23:44:36] | sphery: | Beirdo: I hate that newegg forces you to search for things too specific... I.e. "DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)" versus "DDR2 800 or faster". |
| [23:45:01] | sphery: | but too specific is better than too general |
| [23:45:12] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [23:45:39] | tweek__: | I hate Newegg's short return periods |
| [23:45:55] | tweek__: | going to have to buy a new card, I think |
| [23:46:20] | justinh: | ROFL. background noises in squeezebox too |
| [23:47:09] | Beirdo: | http://www.amazon.com/SPARKLE-SP94GT512D2LHPP . . . p/B001R56BUU |
| [23:47:28] | Beirdo: | jya: that usable? 9400GT isn't listed specifically that I see on the wiki |
| [23:48:47] | jya: | looks okay to me... But I read some reports of people really struggling to get vpdau to work properly... But this came from a person in NZ that I found hopeless to deal with... so it could just be him specifically |
| [23:48:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, I'd bring it up on -developers. I think that right now, all themes look the same, so having default and default-wide wouldn't be any worse than now and would give people a chance to theme it if they want. it would be nicer if we had a layout engine though, but that's a versions away I think as no one has mentioned touching it yet. |
| [23:49:11] | Beirdo: | K. |
| [23:49:16] | ** Captain_Murdoch is afk for a while. ** | |
| [23:49:49] | Beirdo: | 9500GT is preferrable, right? |
| [23:50:03] | tweek__: | well, here's a guy with a 9800gt who has occasional VDPAU kernel panics with the latest 195 driver, the latest 256.25 beta driver, and everything else in between |
| [23:50:21] | jya: | Beirdo: you won't be able to do Advanced 2X with it, but I use Advanced 1X for 1080i. Select the VDPAU profile VDPAU Normal |
| [23:50:52] | jya: | tweek_: I get kernel panic with my nvidia card about once a day |
| [23:50:57] | tweek__: | hoho |
| [23:51:02] | Beirdo: | K |
| [23:51:03] | tweek__: | that's gotta be fun :( |
| [23:51:07] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: yeah, I'm not interested enough to do a layout engine, first, but might get some of it done piece by piece. I'll send an e-mail before going anywhere with it. |
| [23:51:11] | sphery: | thanks |
| [23:51:12] | jya: | more like once every two days |
| [23:51:48] | Beirdo: | but 9500GT > 9400GT > 8400GS, correct? |
| [23:51:56] | Beirdo: | all of which are at the low end |
| [23:51:59] | jya: | Beirdo: looks like a good PCI card... good find... people always seem to struggle to find a PCI one for days on the list |
| [23:52:08] | Beirdo: | and all better than the 6600 in there right now |
| [23:52:12] | sphery: | they're on the 256.xx series of drivers? I'm still using 173.xx (legacy cards, though) |
| [23:52:25] | jya: | >= 9500 or >= 220 |
| [23:52:32] | jya: | won't make much difference with VDPAU |
| [23:52:49] | jya: | no, last released is 195.36.something |
| [23:53:00] | jya: | reminds me to package the new drivers, was released 3 days ago |
| [23:53:31] | jya: | Beirdo: the 9500GT will do everything you would want to do with VDPAU when it comes to deinterlacing |
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| [23:53:48] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [23:54:08] | jya: | GT220: same , plus gives you divx decoding, and more important to me, full 7.1 LPCM audio out |
| [23:54:11] | Beirdo: | http://www.amazon.com/Sparkle-SP95GT512D2L-HP . . . p/B002B7MTKY |
| [23:54:15] | Beirdo: | in that case :) |
| [23:54:28] | sphery: | ah, ok, I don't feel so far behind, then |
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| [23:54:50] | jya: | they have a PCI version of that ? didn't even know |
| [23:55:05] | Beirdo: | looks like they do. |
| [23:55:11] | jya: | oh, and the GT220 on windows can do E-AC3 and DTS-HD bit-streaming |
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| [23:55:59] | Beirdo: | Amazon Prime FTW. |
| [23:56:06] | jya: | well, my morning of piece is over, 6 m.o just woke up and his mother isn't back for another 2 hours |
| [23:56:28] | jya: | peace |
| [23:56:33] | Beirdo: | Ciao |
| [23:56:38] | Beirdo: | Thanks for the hand |
| [23:57:04] | tweek__: | have fun! |
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| [23:58:28] | Beirdo: | hah. 2 day shipping for free. delivery estimate: Jul 1- Jul 9 |
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