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Tuesday, June 15th, 2010, 00:01 UTC
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[00:42:24] dewman: when running mytharchive and it fails with Result 133 is that typically permissions on the device or the sym link?
[00:45:42] dewman: here is my log for mytharchive if this might help any. http://mythtv.pastebin.com/v22EvP9U
[00:47:43] dewman: err mythburn.log
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[01:00:19] Captain_Murdoch: anyone compile recent (ie, <7 days old) trunk on a 32-bit machine under CentOS 5.x?
[01:00:53] Captain_Murdoch: specifically having an issue compiling postprocess_template.c, gcc running out of registers.
[01:07:05] wagnerrp: rather specific a question
[01:08:29] Captain_Murdoch: yep. :)
[01:08:41] iamlindoro: Captain_Murdoch, I had heard of a similar failure a week or so ago, it was reported to janneg-- not sure if he made changes to account for it
[01:08:49] iamlindoro: I am also not sure it was under centos
[01:08:50] Captain_Murdoch: rather specific an issue. I "svn updated" today and can't compileanymore.
[01:09:03] Captain_Murdoch: yeah, he put in a fix, but that doesn't help here.
[01:09:12] iamlindoro: ok, all I know I'm afraid, than
[01:09:13] iamlindoro: er then
[01:09:29] Captain_Murdoch: fix was for debug compiles on 32-bit hardware, disabled PIC on that lib.
[01:09:43] wagnerrp: awesome! storm tickers
[01:10:12] wagnerrp: guess i may as well 'forget old' right now
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[01:10:40] tweek__: well, I think my tuner's dead
[01:10:42] Captain_Murdoch: storm/election tickers are the reason I created manual zoom.
[01:10:59] wagnerrp: sadly, if i did that, id lose half the show
[01:11:29] tweek__: burned it out hooking it directly to the cable that feeds into the splitter in a vain attempt to prove once and for all that the digital signal quality is fine
[01:12:20] tweek__: and now I have to try to decide whether to try to RMA it or buy a new one that people SWEAR 'just works'
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[01:12:25] iamlindoro: If you are able to burn any consumer equipment out by hooking it into *any* feed on your premises, then your signal is very badly overamped indeed
[01:12:44] iamlindoro: nothing on your property should even approach the voltages necessary to harm tuners
[01:13:25] tweek__: well, let's see
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[01:13:37] tweek__: it's hooked into a digital phone box
[01:13:39] tweek__: a cable modem
[01:13:46] tweek__: and seven other cable TV outlets
[01:14:38] dewman: i would think that if it blew your tuner, the rest of your equipment would be dead as well. but thats just my thought....
[01:14:57] iamlindoro: regardless of how many times you split it internal to your premises, an unsplit connection should never be amped to the point that it is capable of harming any device
[01:15:12] iamlindoro: I'm not saying it's not possible, merely that if it is, the cable company has messed up, badly
[01:15:34] iamlindoro: And you should have them out to attenuate the signal
[01:16:09] tweek__: well, I hooked the tuner directly to the amp's output at one point
[01:16:35] tweek__: and about a dozen other things, just blindly plugging and unplugging cable, desperately trying to get anything working
[01:17:16] dewman: I like to have my eyes open when plugging and unplugging...
[01:17:21] dewman: =)
[01:17:42] tweek__: and now the kernel segfaults are basically unbearable, so I took the device out
[01:17:50] tweek__: even saw my first Win7 BSOD
[01:18:09] tweek__: device is basically toast
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[01:36:19] wagnerrp: f--- now theyre cutting into the show in the middle of a shootout
[01:36:31] wagnerrp: they better start right back in where they left it
[01:37:33] wagnerrp: and no....
[01:38:17] wagnerrp: i hate you so much fox
[01:39:16] squish102: when i play vob's (video_ts) video's, the Internal player hangs in the first few seconds. what is the best way to debug? start mythfrontend from command line and look for errors?
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[01:55:30] wagnerrp: the national weather service out of wilmington indiana wants me to know that they hate tv shows
[02:01:58] PennStateJoe74: hello folks... having some audio problems with audio over hdmi on gt220. i had it working for a while yesterday, but now seems to have boinked out on me. i think it's a problem with pulse audio because i get this error message when typing 'alsamixer'
[02:02:00] PennStateJoe74: ALSA lib pulse.c:229:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused
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[02:04:33] Captain_Murdoch: can somebody "grep v4l2_encoder_cmd /usr/include/*/*.h" for me and tell me if that's in videodev.h or videodev2.h? it's not in any include files on my system.
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[02:04:55] PennStateJoe74: frontend is set to alsa;hdmi, which was working fine earlier yesterday
[02:05:33] wagnerrp: videodev2.h
[02:06:10] wagnerrp: /usr/include/linux/videodev2.h to be exact
[02:06:27] Captain_Murdoch: thanks. figured so. the removal of our videodev*_myth.h files broke trunk for me it seems.
[02:06:32] wagnerrp: line 1265 to be even more exact
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[02:09:04] oneman: hi
[02:09:31] oneman: is there another channel for mythtv developers?
[02:09:55] wagnerrp: yes
[02:09:58] Captain_Murdoch: if you're actually developing yes
[02:10:05] wagnerrp: what specifically are you looking for?
[02:10:05] Captain_Murdoch: if you're just asking questions, then no
[02:11:04] oneman: I am actually developing sort of, I was looking for just an ear for some chit chat tho..
[02:11:29] oneman: Its a super secret topic tho, I wouldn't dare mention it with all these folks here loggin the channel and such ;]
[02:11:59] kormoc: oneman, there's only 84 more folks in here, and the other channel is logged as well
[02:12:03] wagnerrp: if its something you wouldnt dare say due to channel regs, its something we wouldnt dare help you with
[02:12:14] dewman: can i repeat a question that I asked a little while ago?
[02:12:16] oneman: lol
[02:12:42] ** kormoc eyes oneman quizzically **
[02:12:43] oneman: Its not against regulations, its just a secret project at this moment in time
[02:12:43] wagnerrp: dewman: considering you havent said something in almost an hour, i would think thats enough time to have passed to repeat it
[02:12:45] oneman: lol
[02:13:00] kormoc: oneman, so you have a secret project that you're willing to tell 104 strangers but not 187?
[02:13:12] wagnerrp: well then what kormoc said, theres over a hundred people in the other channel, so it wouldnt much be secret
[02:13:14] oneman: lol this has gone to far!
[02:13:27] oneman: You guys got me by the balls!
[02:13:31] dewman: well i was trying to be considerate.... rather then repeat...
[02:13:33] dewman: =)
[02:13:44] kormoc: dewman, we thank you for that, what's up?
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[02:14:11] kormoc: oneman, so email it to the list where there are a few thousand of us?
[02:15:01] dewman: When I am trying to run mytharchive, it fails with a 133 error. Is that typically the permissions on the drive and or the sym link?
[02:15:05] oneman: look here is my offer, Ill talk about what I wanted to talk about, to anyone who might be interesting in my madness here, if they would just agree to a good faith NDA about what I am talking about with them, not an offical document, just hey don't blog about this right now please, but if you don't want that restriction you don't have to talk to me
[02:15:31] oneman: in another channel or whatever Ill just make one up
[02:15:42] dewman: a little bit of google searching shows different results. I did manage to post a pastebin file.
[02:15:59] oneman: whoever is interested can private message me
[02:16:06] dewman: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/v22EvP9U
[02:16:13] kormoc: oneman, well, in the context of mythtv, you're going to be constrained by the GPL in any project you work on, so if you're not going to violate the gpl, I'll hear you out
[02:16:16] oneman: if not its not a big deal! don't get your panties all in a bunch ;p
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[02:16:33] GreyFoxx: without knowing the subject or some sort of info about what you want to talk about it could be some sort of talk about your favourite chili recipe or something
[02:16:43] wagnerrp: mythchili!
[02:16:54] GreyFoxx: I'll have me some :)
[02:16:59] dewman: what can wagnerrp cook up next? hehe
[02:17:00] oneman: absolutely not, Ive put out GPL software myself and will personally eat RMS's shoe if I ever violate
[02:17:26] wagnerrp: he seems more like a sandal type of guy
[02:17:36] karatekickz: im having trouble getting my ir receiver detected in lirc... my google says my reciever should be supported but no luck the gnome remote control properties window
[02:17:37] oneman: GreyFoxx, thats the risk you take, however if your not intersted you can instantly say so and leave ;p
[02:17:49] ** sphery doesn't do NDA's specifically because they could prevent him from writing some GPL'ed software in the future (or could come back to haunt him later) **
[02:18:05] kormoc: dewman, it looks more like the drive itself spit an error, :-[ PERFORM OPC failed with SK=3h/POWER CALIBRATION AREA IS FULL]: Input/output error
[02:18:13] kormoc: dewman, that's the one I'd look into if I was you
[02:18:24] oneman: sphery, this won't prevent you from writing GPL software I promise ;p
[02:18:35] kormoc: oneman, like I said, I'll hear you out
[02:18:49] oneman: ok
[02:18:56] dewman: kormoc, yeah i saw that to....At first I thought it might have been permissions....
[02:19:13] kormoc: dewman, nah, that's specific to the drive and the kernel/growisofs
[02:19:20] wagnerrp: dewman: exit code 133 means some sort of system 'I/O Error'
[02:20:16] dewman: hmmm.....There is a 18month old in the house...Maybe I should check the drive for oatmeal
[02:20:27] wagnerrp: fun times
[02:20:30] oneman: ok, final offer, whoever else wants to hear my jive, PM me
[02:20:32] ** Captain_Murdoch copies videodev*.h from his old Fedora 8 box so he can get trunk compiling on his 'new' CentOS 5.x box. **
[02:20:50] kormoc: Captain_Murdoch, they ship with the kernel now don't they?
[02:20:53] wagnerrp: hehe
[02:21:02] wagnerrp: hey, its new for a simple caveman lawyer
[02:21:44] sphery: kormoc: might not be in Cent(ury-old)OS
[02:21:49] wagnerrp: oh Phil Hartman, why did you have to go and get killed
[02:21:51] dewman: kormoc, thanks....=)
[02:22:16] Captain_Murdoch: kormoc, CentOS 5.x still 2.6.18 kernel which doesn't have the v4l2_encoder_cmd stuff in it.
[02:22:49] kormoc: Captain_Murdoch, ahh
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[02:23:22] wagnerrp: ooh... thats going on bash
[02:23:32] Captain_Murdoch: so essentially, we've just excluded anyone running any of the released RHEL versions or recompiles
[02:24:49] wagnerrp: i didnt realize that you had to pay to get a copy of RHEL
[02:24:52] ** Captain_Murdoch hates subscribing to the OS version of the month club. I'd rather spend time coding than upgrading the OS on systems around the house. **
[02:25:11] sphery: Captain_Murdoch: yeah, I agree with you on that one
[02:25:16] Captain_Murdoch: RHEL yes, CentOS no, WhiteBox (if itstill exists) no
[02:25:36] Captain_Murdoch: ScientificLinux (or whatever it is/was) no
[02:26:03] sphery: I ran my prior OS version way longer than I should have (was starting to get difficult to compile Myth on it because of requirements in Myth)
[02:26:22] wagnerrp: how exactly does that work? they make the source repository open, but charge for binaries?
[02:26:43] Captain_Murdoch: sphery, if it wasn't for the Qt4 requirement, I was happy compiling and running on my nfsroot Fedora 5 install with custom kernel.
[02:26:49] sphery: Aren't they using Trademark law to trump the copyright law?
[02:27:08] kormoc: wagnerrp, you can download the binaries directly even, but you don't get access to the repo to find the binaries/etc
[02:27:10] sphery: i.e. "Have to pay since it says RHEL." So the CentOS guys scrub the source of TM'ed content.
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[02:28:26] kormoc: yeah, you pretty much have to pay to use their update service and for the TM
[02:29:05] sphery: Kind of like how Mozilla made Firefox a TM'ed name and put restrictions on it that go above and beyond the MPL
[02:29:14] kormoc: yeah
[02:29:15] CNLiberal: ok...did fresh mythbuntu 10.04x64 install...have 1080p Samsung LCD capable of 24fps...xrandr is not letting me change the refresh rate to any of the settings that are available...i can't change the refresh to 24fps
[02:29:30] wagnerrp: why bother?
[02:29:49] CNLiberal: wagnerrp: is that in reference to my q?
[02:29:52] wagnerrp: yes
[02:29:56] sphery: capable of 24fps input, likely
[02:30:04] CNLiberal: because i had it working in .22
[02:30:17] sphery: then it uses the TV's software to remap to 60fps the LCD is running at or whatever
[02:30:18] wagnerrp: makes the question no less valid
[02:30:31] CNLiberal: i want to use the capabilities of my TV
[02:30:48] sphery: so you're saying the TV's software is better than MythTV?
[02:30:49] CNLiberal: the TV is capable of 24 input and display
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[02:31:01] CNLiberal: it was working in .22...i'm just wondering what the heck i'm doing wrong
[02:31:10] wagnerrp: its capable of it, but is it really worth the time spent trying to get it working?
[02:31:19] wagnerrp: i mean does it visibly get you anything?
[02:31:25] CNLiberal: i see a difference yes
[02:31:31] CNLiberal: when watching BluRay
[02:31:40] CNLiberal: panning looks noticably smoother
[02:31:45] CNLiberal: i'm just super confused
[02:31:56] wagnerrp: nothing is going to look smooth at 24fps
[02:32:27] CNLiberal: when it's filmed at 24fps it will
[02:32:35] sphery: especially on an LCD
[02:32:38] sphery: talk about jerky
[02:32:55] CNLiberal: then why do bluray players tout the 24hz feature?
[02:32:55] kormoc: CNLiberal, it shouldn't as it just noops if it's running faster
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[02:33:16] sphery: if they do the grayed/black in there to display at 72Hz or 120Hz or whatever, then it might look ok
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[02:34:05] CNLiberal: ok...let me be more specific...my TV accepts 24Hz input to up convert to 120Hz
[02:35:43] kormoc: CNLiberal, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24p#The_User_Experience
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[02:39:02] CNLiberal: kormoc: The TV is a Samsung LN52A650...with a true 120Hz screen
[02:39:10] CNLiberal: it upconverts the 24Hz to 120
[02:39:12] sphery: CNLiberal: anyway, I don't know how to configure it the way you want
[02:39:42] sphery: (which, I'm assuming, is also true for most of the others who aren't answering you, but are making comments and asking questions :)
[02:39:44] CNLiberal: ok
[02:39:50] CNLiberal: yeah...that's ok
[02:40:06] CNLiberal: JYA helped me with this before, and I made all the changes he suggested, but it's still giving me grief
[02:40:52] jya: CNLiberal: no TV (Except 3D ones) are "true" 120Hz
[02:41:10] CNLiberal: well blow me down...JYA
[02:41:14] CNLiberal: hey man
[02:41:48] jya: the 120Hz is the marketing term for the kind of deinterlacer it's using, similar to VDPAU 2X ones
[02:42:00] CNLiberal: ok, fair enough. you're right
[02:42:02] jya: those TVs only take a maximum of 60Hz signal
[02:42:03] CNLiberal: :-)
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[02:42:15] CNLiberal: right, it's taking in a 24hz signal
[02:42:28] CNLiberal: and upping it to panel native 120hz
[02:42:30] jya: and play it at 24Hz
[02:42:33] dewman: kormoc, Nothing funny in the drive.
[02:42:37] CNLiberal: it can't accept 120Hz
[02:42:41] jya: CNLiberal: no
[02:42:54] achew22: Is there a mythtvosd that can be used without GUI? it is provided by mythtv-frontend right now. Can it be taken from a different box and just run or should I have that box ssh and execute on a box that has gui?
[02:42:57] jya: it's not even doing that... forget the 120Hz bit , it's rubbish
[02:43:37] CNLiberal: ok, well, i came here to figure out the xrandr issue i'm having...cuz i think it relates to mythfrontend not playing 24hz content
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[02:43:47] sphery: achew22: look at mythnotify
[02:43:56] sphery: achew22: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythNotify
[02:44:05] CNLiberal: in nvidia-settings i have the force full scaling checked
[02:44:20] jya: I haven't read what you wrote earlier, I heard beep as my named was mentioned , that's all..
[02:44:25] achew22: sphery: Thanks
[02:44:27] CNLiberal: and when i xrandr -r 53 it stays at 60hz
[02:44:35] CNLiberal: oh, well, no problem
[02:45:06] dewman: since mytharchive has already encoded the files, is there a way to tell mytharchive to restart or pickup where it ended or does the software need to go through all the motions of re-encoding the videos again?
[02:45:29] jya: sphery: you can't not play 24Hz content smoothly on a 60Hz screen, *ever*.. So stating "why bother", is ignoring the problem at hand
[02:45:36] jya: CNLiberal
[02:45:45] jya: I mentioned it on the wiki, of the cause for this
[02:45:56] jya: you need to disable GPU scaling in nvidia-settings
[02:46:05] jya: or in xorg.conf add:
[02:46:28] jya: Option "FlatPanelProperties" "Scaling = Native"
[02:46:32] jya: in the screen section
[02:47:05] CNLiberal: yeah, i'm doing that now
[02:47:29] CNLiberal: i was doing it the way Andre Newman suggested in an email thread to me a while ago
[02:47:43] CNLiberal: it was checked in nvidia-settings, but not in Screen section
[02:47:46] CNLiberal: let's try again :-)
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[02:48:15] jya: you don't want it checked in nvidia-settings
[02:48:19] jya: it's checked by default
[02:48:28] jya: when checked it means let the GPU do the scaling
[02:48:40] jya: which for some reasons with nvidia, force the screen at 60Hz
[02:49:30] CNLiberal: k i got it backwards then
[02:50:34] CNLiberal: booyah
[02:50:37] CNLiberal: works now
[02:50:40] CNLiberal: thanks for correcting me
[02:50:47] jya: probably your problem... Personally, I don't use the nvidia-settings option, because it only works for the current user, and sometimes it won't reload the settings
[02:50:55] jya: so the xorg.conf is a better option IMHO
[02:51:29] jya: CNLiberal: don't feel bad, it took me over a week to figure out why I wouldn't get anything else but 60Hz on my TV...
[02:51:52] jya: until one day, a nvidia engineers gave me the answer on their forum
[02:51:54] CNLiberal: yeah, you're the one who helped me...u saved me a TON of time...I'm CNLibMyth on the mailing list