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| [00:15:28] | highzeth: | vp8+vorbis is looking promising |
| [00:16:01] | Beirdo: | muhahaha |
| [00:16:31] | Beirdo: | have my old mythbox reinstalled... with the nvidia drivers, comes up in 1080i on VGA |
| [00:16:34] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [00:16:49] | Beirdo: | too bad it's a 6600, and will need upgrading to do HD |
| [00:17:19] | highzeth: | atleast you can get a 8400GS for a cheap buck =) |
| [00:17:34] | Beirdo: | well, this box is PCI |
| [00:17:42] | highzeth: | ahhh shame |
| [00:17:43] | Beirdo: | so... a little more bucks |
| [00:17:48] | highzeth: | idd |
| [00:18:15] | Beirdo: | it's an old Athlon (well Sempron) box with nforce2 chipset |
| [00:18:32] | highzeth: | are there any fanless pci's out there? |
| [00:18:40] | Beirdo: | dunno |
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| [00:18:49] | Beirdo: | haven't bothered looking yet |
| [00:19:44] | highzeth: | the gainward 8400GS I got is fanless, rest of them are ion's |
| [00:20:08] | Beirdo: | as long as it works, this box won't be too bad as it sits |
| [00:20:26] | Beirdo: | I'll likely just use it as one of the backends... until I do it right :) |
| [00:20:31] | Beirdo: | it has 3 RVR-250s |
| [00:20:36] | Beirdo: | PVR rather |
| [00:21:45] | highzeth: | mhm, only kept one 350 from my old system before going dvb, nice to have for those odd captures of vhs/video8 et all |
| [00:24:11] | piper69: | if i can't get lirc to work with my remote what do you guys suggest |
| [00:24:44] | highzeth: | cuss, silently |
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| [00:26:40] | piper69: | hehehehhe you are having the same issue or what |
| [00:29:30] | highzeth: | nah, but lirc can get the better of anyone |
| [00:30:12] | highzeth: | what remote are you trying to get going? |
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| [00:31:05] | piper69: | the one that came with hauppage HVR 1600 |
| [00:31:44] | highzeth: | that tells me nothing, cant help you Im afraid |
| [00:32:54] | piper69: | am sorry i couldn't read your mind, about exactly what u r asking |
| [00:34:38] | highzeth: | just saying Ive never had my hands on nor read what type of remote is included with that tuner, so cant help |
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| [00:36:35] | highzeth: | back to Dostoevsky here, good luck |
| [00:40:36] | piper69: | thanks , well i lost hope , even folks over by lirc couldn't figure it out |
| [00:40:43] | piper69: | so no worries |
| [00:40:53] | piper69: | later folks |
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| [00:46:40] | wagnerrp: | justinh: i wasnt acting like a dick to the newtoubuntu guy earlier, and what does it get me? |
| [00:46:50] | wagnerrp: | a whole series of PMs asking for personal help |
| [00:46:56] | wagnerrp: | ive learned my lesson.... |
| [00:47:08] | _abbenormal: | lol |
| [00:47:49] | ** wagnerrp gets cynicism +1 ** | |
| [00:56:31] | tweek__: | responding to someone desperate for help, about anything, at all, is a good way to get a bunch of unwanted attention |
| [00:56:53] | tweek__: | and on that note, I'm desperate for help |
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| [00:58:15] | wagnerrp: | and youre probably looking for mythtv help |
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| [00:58:22] | tweek__: | some guy in here last night said everything was working flawlessly with my exact TV tuner and video card with Ubuntu, so I burned off a live CD and tried watching TV from in there. same stuff happened, but that doesn't really mean anything |
| [00:58:30] | wagnerrp: | no, this guy was asking things like 'whats a shell' and 'whats a terminal' |
| [00:58:40] | wagnerrp: | what tuner? |
| [00:58:56] | tweek__: | Hauppauge HVR-1600, bought it on recommendation from this channel |
| [00:59:12] | wagnerrp: | should work fine |
| [00:59:24] | tweek__: | works in Windows, but I noticed – decoding / playing HD content takes a lot of CPU time |
| [01:00:03] | tweek__: | so, when I would install updates or whatever, the live TV feed would skip for a second or two. playing the same segment back later would result in the same skip |
| [01:00:46] | wagnerrp: | playback should suffer like that, but the only thing that would cause jumps like that in the actual recording is very heavy IO |
| [01:00:50] | tweek__: | maybe I need a better processor to give the kernel-mode more time to do its job. or maybe that's just a stupid idea brought on by insanity from trying to figure this out |
| [01:01:06] | wagnerrp: | and even then, it shouldnt matter if youre using dedicated disks for your recordings |
| [01:01:59] | tweek__: | well, not using a dedicated disk (could just dump live TV on the Windows drive and see if that helps matters) |
| [01:02:28] | tweek__: | but corruption of the MPEG stream happens in Linux all the time, every so often, whether anything else is happening or not |
| [01:02:43] | wagnerrp: | that may have nothing to do with your system |
| [01:02:53] | tweek__: | well, 'it works for |
| [01:02:56] | tweek__: | someone |
| [01:02:59] | wagnerrp: | and more that you are receiving too weak a signal for complete reconstruction |
| [01:03:28] | tweek__: | also tried unplugging every cable outlet in the home. although maybe the problem is that I need to do it from the source splitter |
| [01:03:55] | tweek__: | problem is, that thing's buried away behind bookshelves and screwed on tight, might help to bring the computer to that area and see what happens |
| [01:04:14] | tweek__: | if I could just go down to the store and buy a new processor or cable amp or something, I'd be happy |
| [01:04:30] | wagnerrp: | who's to say the cableco isnt sending a bad signal |
| [01:04:45] | tweek__: | every other TV in the house works fine, including this computer in Windows? |
| [01:05:30] | tweek__: | maybe the Windows driver or post-proc is doing something to correct it, who knows |
| [01:05:53] | wagnerrp: | nothing you can really do to process it if the data just isnt there |
| [01:06:27] | tweek__: | could decode with the buzzing skips and filter out the noise |
| [01:08:08] | tweek__: | anyway, the -analog- portion works great. and I'm working on a transcoding script that will automatically handle all sorts of stuff |
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| [01:11:46] | wagnerrp: | well the reason you were recommended that card is for the analog portion |
| [01:12:12] | wagnerrp: | currently, that card is the only in-production MPEG encoder capable of use with mythtv |
| [01:12:31] | wagnerrp: | the 1800/1850 works under linux, but theres some driver bug that prevents its use with mythtv |
| [01:12:38] | tweek__: | yeah, since most channels here are broadcast in analog and digital, that's what I'm really interested in |
| [01:12:42] | wagnerrp: | and the 2250 has no support at all |
| [01:13:13] | wagnerrp: | and the 150/500 and other older IVTV cards are no longer sold because you are not allowed to sell analog-only devices in the states |
| [01:13:28] | Beirdo: | what a retarded rule that is |
| [01:13:41] | wagnerrp: | it was to protect the customer |
| [01:13:44] | tweek__: | keeps idiots from buying them |
| [01:14:05] | Beirdo: | it keeps ANYBODY from buying them |
| [01:14:05] | wagnerrp: | so they werent getting sold TVs that would no longer work 6mo down the line |
| [01:14:08] | tweek__: | kind of a case of the FCC trying to control the market |
| [01:14:16] | Beirdo: | screw the idiots :) |
| [01:14:30] | tweek__: | which is basically par for the course |
| [01:14:44] | wagnerrp: | theres nothing saying hauppauge couldnt just sell that card sans tuner, but they just dont think theres sufficient market for it |
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| [01:15:44] | tweek__: | anyway, this is a good card and I like it, but the v4l-dvb driver sucks |
| [01:17:42] | Beirdo: | nothing stopping you from fixing it :) |
| [01:20:12] | sphery: | If we outlaw analog tuners, only outlaws will have analog tuners. |
| [01:20:42] | Beirdo: | uh huh |
| [01:20:52] | wagnerrp: | in their plan, cablecard was supposed to be a viable option that everyone could use |
| [01:20:54] | ** Beirdo must be an outlaw :) ** | |
| [01:21:21] | ** sphery places a discreet phone call to DHS ** | |
| [01:21:27] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:21:30] | Beirdo: | eat me |
| [01:21:35] | sphery: | :) |
| [01:21:41] | Beirdo: | I like my PVR-250s :) |
| [01:21:56] | Beirdo: | yes, they have limited usefulness these days |
| [01:22:13] | sphery: | I got rid of my PVR-350, PVR-250, PVR-150 and PAL PVR-150 before they became illegal |
| [01:22:14] | Beirdo: | but they are still cool, especially should I want to capture home videos off VHS |
| [01:22:32] | wagnerrp: | PAL 150? |
| [01:22:36] | Beirdo: | they aren't illegal :) |
| [01:22:43] | sphery: | yeah, I'm just joking |
| [01:22:59] | Beirdo: | I'm sure some people will think otherwise :) |
| [01:22:59] | sphery: | the PAL one was an accident--wrong one was shipped |
| [01:23:05] | sphery: | never used it |
| [01:23:16] | wagnerrp: | according to your cableco, theyre illegal |
| [01:23:17] | Beirdo: | could sell it to some sucker in Europe/Australia |
| [01:23:24] | Beirdo: | I don't have a cableco |
| [01:23:32] | wagnerrp: | what other use would it be but to illegally access your rightfully purchased content |
| [01:23:41] | wagnerrp: | filthy thief |
| [01:23:47] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:23:52] | Beirdo: | I have DirecTV |
| [01:24:00] | wagnerrp: | UR STEALIN R CONTROL |
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| [01:24:09] | sphery: | I gave them all away (to a Myth dev up north across the border, where they're still legal :) |
| [01:24:33] | Beirdo: | the FCC can just butt out |
| [01:24:52] | sphery: | yeah, I was very upset with that ruling and the lawsuit against Hauppauge |
| [01:25:03] | sphery: | it was typical of the FCC, though |
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| [01:25:20] | Beirdo: | idiotic... so yeah, typical |
| [01:25:35] | sphery: | after all, why fight the tough issues that really matter when you can protect idiots from themselves |
| [01:25:50] | wagnerrp: | lawsuit? |
| [01:25:59] | sphery: | ok, really, I should say, "ignorant consumers," but the point stands |
| [01:26:31] | Beirdo: | it should just be "buyer beware". The govt need not be involved |
| [01:26:39] | sphery: | maybe not a lawsuit, but a fine, at least |
| [01:27:01] | sphery: | http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/2009/FCC-09-34A1.html |
| [01:27:25] | ** sphery wonders just how much that document cost the US taxpayers ** | |
| [01:27:27] | wagnerrp: | theyre not readily visible, but i think you can still buy 150s off their website |
| [01:28:32] | Beirdo: | FCC is SO wrong on that ruling anyways |
| [01:30:02] | sphery: | yeah, the sad thing is that it was obviously a lot cheaper for Hauppauge to pay $175K and just stop selling the PVR-xx0 line in the US than to fight it |
| [01:31:26] | sphery: | at least they did the right thing and made some hybrid models like the HVR-1600 |
| [01:31:30] | Beirdo: | oh and it's an "important public policy goal" to force us all to use digital DRM crap |
| [01:32:58] | wagnerrp: | i like how the DMCA mandated macrovision support on all analog devices |
| [01:33:07] | Beirdo: | someone should fine the FCC for willfull and repeated violation of consumer rights |
| [01:33:08] | wagnerrp: | i dont see how thats legal |
| [01:33:16] | wagnerrp: | that has to fall under anti-trust somehow |
| [01:33:27] | wagnerrp: | mandating that you use someone's patented tech |
| [01:34:05] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [01:34:17] | wagnerrp: | i thought the moment the company mandated something like that, the patent was confiscated under eminent domain and released for public use |
| [01:34:20] | Beirdo: | well... US govt = pork barrel |
| [01:34:25] | wagnerrp: | s/company/government |
| [01:44:59] | Beirdo: | ah well, they should do a version of the PVR-250 as the PVR-50 |
| [01:45:02] | Beirdo: | no tuner :) |
| [01:45:23] | Beirdo: | composite MPEG2 capture only |
| [01:46:31] | Beirdo: | wish I knew where my IR transmitter board went |
| [01:46:36] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [01:47:30] | wagnerrp: | (and svideo) |
| [01:47:57] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [01:48:00] | wagnerrp: | may as well toss in component while youre at it |
| [01:48:05] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:48:13] | Beirdo: | they already have that |
| [01:48:17] | wagnerrp: | you think that chip could do 480p? or do you think it peaks at 480i? |
| [01:48:19] | Beirdo: | it's called the HD-PVR |
| [01:48:29] | Beirdo: | although not MPEG2 |
| [01:48:40] | Beirdo: | 408i likely |
| [01:49:38] | wagnerrp: | id bet there are a TON of people who would rather pay $50 each for 2–3 boxes that could do 480p component, than 1–2 HDPVRs at $200 |
| [01:50:15] | wagnerrp: | and if they could co-opt the old 150 design to do it, basically just strip off the tuner |
| [01:50:25] | wagnerrp: | there would be very little cost to design and produce it |
| [01:50:55] | wagnerrp: | maybe $50K for design, tooling, and drivers to start up the line |
| [01:51:12] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [01:52:05] | Beirdo: | heck just use the same design, and remove the turner |
| [01:52:07] | Beirdo: | tuner... |
| [01:52:26] | Beirdo: | making it 480p would be cool though. |
| [01:54:21] | sphery: | But if they did that, then word might spread that people are choosing 480p as good enough instead of choosing HDTV, and after we were all told just how critical this digital changeover was and that the HDTV part was important... I for one would like to welcome our new HDTV overlords. |
| [01:55:06] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [01:56:37] | newtoubuntu: | would someone like to help me set up mythbuntu? |
| [01:57:02] | Beirdo: | sure... try #mythbuntu |
| [01:57:15] | newtoubuntu: | ok thanks |
| [01:57:51] | Beirdo: | I think I'll go make me some iced coffee |
| [01:58:49] | ** awalls contemplates going to the fridge to get the bottled, store-bought iced coffee ** | |
| [01:59:02] | ** awalls wishes there were beer in the fridge ** | |
| [01:59:35] | Beirdo: | my coffee maker does ice coffee |
| [01:59:40] | Beirdo: | "_ |
| [01:59:43] | Beirdo: | :) even |
| [01:59:51] | Beirdo: | just need to add ice |
| [02:00:06] | awalls: | Whoa, sounds like a lot of work. ;) |
| [02:00:07] | Beirdo: | it makes it super-strong for the iced coffee |
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| [02:14:44] | Beirdo: | muhahah |
| [02:14:55] | Beirdo: | I actually have two computers hooked to the TV |
| [02:15:02] | Beirdo: | one by VGA, one by HDMI |
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| [04:05:35] | jeffery: | I did an update to my mythbox this morning and now I can't record or view live tv. The log shows "should be local, but it can not be found." do I need to re-scan my channels to fix this or is it another issue? |
| [04:10:23] | wagnerrp: | could you pastebin the exact lines from the log? |
| [04:13:52] | lyricnz: | does "GNOME DVB Daemon" have any impact on mythtv? |
| [04:14:08] | lyricnz: | just reading the Fedora 13 release notes, says it comes with that |
| [04:14:24] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what that might be |
| [04:14:38] | lyricnz: | http://live.gnome.org/DVBDaemon |
| [04:14:38] | jeffery: | wagnerrp: here is the log: http://pastebin.com/zX6nADau |
| [04:15:00] | lyricnz: | looks like some simple DVB recorder daemon and UI |
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| [04:16:15] | wagnerrp: | is it possible your recordings are not currently mounted? |
| [04:16:19] | wagnerrp: | or you changed hostnames? |
| [04:16:26] | wagnerrp: | or you disks are now mounted elsewhere? |
| [04:17:06] | jeffery: | wagnerrp: didn't change hostname. I did a dist-upgrade and rebooted |
| [04:17:18] | jeffery: | will check if the disks are mounted |
| [04:17:44] | wagnerrp: | lyricnz: just dont run it |
| [04:18:11] | lyricnz: | wagnerrp: yeah, just like all this audio-layer nonsense :) |
| [04:18:25] | lyricnz: | I was thinking about updating one of my play boxes to F13 |
| [04:19:01] | wagnerrp: | well hopefully that should be better with 0.24 (but still just as unnecessary) |
| [04:19:31] | jeffery: | wagnerrp: I have three disks mounted. Do you know if mythtv keeps a record of the disks which need to be available and if where that data is stored in the database |
| [04:19:49] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup, storage groups |
| [04:20:04] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt care about disks, only the paths to recording folders |
| [04:20:27] | jeffery: | ok will double check them |
| [04:23:44] | jeffery: | wagnerrp: all directories are accessable |
| [04:24:03] | jeffery: | as per storage directories listed in mythtv-setup |
| [04:31:12] | wagnerrp: | jams: looks like your site is broken |
| [04:37:54] | jeffery: | any other clues? |
| [04:44:17] | jeffery: | what is a "cold boot" Power off and back again? |
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| [04:48:32] | jeffery: | argh, stupid kernel upgrade causing issues with tuner card |
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| [04:57:32] | achew22: | How do you change the command that's used on shutdown for a slave frontend? I can't find it in any of the menus on the frontend. |
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| [05:06:47] | achew22: | [R]: are you around? I see you have a patch related to dbus. Do you know if there is a way to have a frontend issue a sleep command instead of shutdown? I only ask because you have a patch attached to #8556 so I think you might know something about it |
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| [05:08:12] | [R]: | ubuntu removes the option to use a random command... so if you dont use ubuntu or you build your own package, you can have it do any command yo uwant |
| [05:09:14] | achew22: | [R]: but is there a way to make it sleep instead of shutdown? |
| [05:09:33] | [R]: | ... you can have it do any command yo uwant |
| [05:09:44] | achew22: | sorry, through the dbus stuff in ubuntu |
| [05:10:00] | [R]: | it just calls Stop on the dbus functions |
| [05:10:07] | [R]: | no clue if you can override those |
| [05:10:18] | achew22: | interesting idea |
| [05:10:21] | achew22: | thank you |
| [05:10:52] | [R]: | but alas... in ubuntu with the latest 23-fixes, it won't even call dbus |
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| [05:10:59] | achew22: | what do they call it? |
| [05:11:04] | [R]: | it dosnt do anything |
| [05:11:26] | achew22: | how about the one from the mythbuntu autobuilds? |
| [05:11:56] | [R]: | thats what i'm talking about |
| [05:11:59] | achew22: | ah |
| [05:12:09] | achew22: | [R]: do you know the dbus command that is doesn't call? |
| [05:12:16] | achew22: | or do I have to find a dbus inspector |
| [05:12:50] | [R]: | i'm prety sure on a default mythbuntu its gonna call this, but don't quote me on it |
| [05:13:01] | [R]: | org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.Manager.Stop |
| [05:13:08] | [R]: | but like i said |
| [05:13:11] | [R]: | its not gonna call anyhting |
| [05:13:14] | [R]: | with the latest autobuilds |
| [05:13:36] | achew22: | your patch fixes that, right? |
| [05:13:39] | [R]: | yup |
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| [05:14:26] | achew22: | Excellent [R]. Thank you! |
| [05:14:52] | achew22: | do you know how frequently they rebuild the autobuilds? |
| [05:15:12] | [R]: | no clue |
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| [05:50:49] | high-rez: | I have a new myth setup.. Trying to setup diseqc for a device – but when I click on unconnected it I get in the logs DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1 |
| [05:51:20] | high-rez: | Which makes sense – there shouldn't be a device tree there since its a new card ;) |
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| [06:18:57] | justinh: | so? it's just a warning |
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| [06:22:25] | Beirdo: | Hmmm |
| [06:22:46] | Beirdo: | mythtv-setup is being a pain in my butt :) |
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| [06:30:25] | Beirdo: | grrr, why can't I make it see the second lineup?! |
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| [06:33:24] | Beirdo: | sphery: you still up? |
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| [06:43:23] | justinh: | Beirdo: I've got 2 lineups here |
| [06:43:42] | justinh: | dunno if it makes a difference not using SD.. possibly does though |
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| [06:46:10] | justinh: | gah. that's annoying. saved details for my mythweb realm are wrong |
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| [06:48:10] | Beirdo: | I'll live for now :) |
| [06:49:08] | justinh: | I'd have thought you'd need to setup a 2nd 'video source' & then say it's an SD account – then it'd automagically sort out that it was your 2nd lineup – or else give you a choice between the two |
| [06:50:18] | justinh: | assumptions eh :) |
| [06:51:10] | justinh: | decided it's time to get video storage groups up & running when I finish watching 'click' |
| [06:51:50] | achew22: | justinh: Click like the Adam Sandler film? it is WAY more important that you work on your storage groups. |
| [06:51:53] | justinh: | and then... JAMU? Well maybe |
| [06:52:07] | justinh: | no, Click as in the BBC News channel programme about tech stuff |
| [06:52:19] | Beirdo: | yeah, I thought it would let me too, but mythtv-setup is only showingg the first lineup |
| [06:52:23] | Beirdo: | meh |
| [06:52:26] | achew22: | Ah. Then you get a reprieve from ridicule ;) |
| [06:52:30] | justinh: | that Adam Sandler film was.. er... an Adam Sandler film |
| [06:52:31] | Beirdo: | I'll mess with it later |
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| [06:53:25] | ** justinh wonders what kind of crack movie execs smoke these days anyway ** | |
| [06:54:07] | justinh: | okees mythbackend.. you is gonna be stopped right now ooookeess |
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| [06:54:50] | justinh: | sheesh how fast does the frontend notice that?! |
| [06:56:10] | justinh: | I know I'm using ubuntu packages. mythtv-setup.real it is |
| [06:56:37] | achew22: | justinh: are you using the mythbuntu repos? |
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| [06:57:12] | justinh: | I can't remember |
| [06:57:19] | justinh: | think so, at least on the backend |
| [06:57:41] | justinh: | I hate it.. I'm gonna go back to source |
| [06:57:51] | achew22: | if you're using it you can install mythbuntu-control-center |
| [06:57:59] | achew22: | then in there you can go to "JAMU" and turn it on |
| [06:58:05] | justinh: | I don't want mythblah blah wah wah |
| [06:58:14] | achew22: | then it will do anything |
| [06:58:18] | justinh: | don't want. do not need |
| [06:58:29] | justinh: | I am not a baby :) |
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| [07:00:49] | justinh: | this is what I don't like about the debian-ish packages. I feel like I'm being mollycoddled |
| [07:01:14] | justinh: | I *know* what I'm doing guy. leave me alone... is what I want to say to it |
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| [07:28:32] | justinh: | ouch. amazing how many films' metadata isn't changing when I update it to tmdb stuff |
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| [07:38:04] | justinh: | failed to write fanart. does storage group exist? er.. yes.. and it's owned my the same user the backend runs as – mythtv |
| [07:38:46] | justinh: | "Protocol version check failure. The response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION was empty. This happens when the backend is too busy to respond, or has deadlocked in due to bugs or hardware failure. |
| [07:38:51] | justinh: | eew |
| [07:39:54] | justinh: | whoah. mythbackend.. 94% CPU |
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| [07:48:06] | justinh: | lol having seen jamu-example.conf for the very first time I think I *will* go for the mythblah-blah-confabulator-thingy |
| [07:50:38] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:50:43] | Beirdo: | wuss |
| [07:51:04] | justinh: | oh... seems I didn't install the thingy after all |
| [07:51:16] | justinh: | this myth proto version stuff is worrying me though |
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| [07:52:50] | justinh: | ahh. seems my backup script is running right now. that might have much to do with it clogging up the mysql server |
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| [08:01:23] | justinh: | "Error: Jamu must be run on a MythTV backend. Local host (roger) is not a MythTV backend." |
| [08:01:32] | justinh: | it blimmin well IS THE master backend! |
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| [08:02:22] | justinh: | restarted the backend... all is better. uegh |
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| [08:12:00] | justinh: | weird. seems forgetting to set the video dirs was my downfall.. not the SGs I mean... but the actual mythvideo dir settings... as in I hadn't wiped them |
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| [08:23:14] | Beirdo: | niiice |
| [08:24:13] | Beirdo: | I start mythbackend... my TV immediately saw it as a DLNA source |
| [08:24:24] | haffe: | Now comes the fun. |
| [08:24:30] | justinh: | and can't play anything, cos the format – although real.. doesn't play |
| [08:24:33] | justinh: | ;) |
| [08:24:41] | justinh: | cos that's just how DLNA rolls |
| [08:24:44] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah well, hatever, it's cool |
| [08:24:47] | haffe: | I am to try mythtv on a A64 3200+, 512MB ram, GF5200 |
| [08:25:03] | Beirdo: | ain't got no recordings on it yet anyways |
| [08:25:07] | justinh: | heh |
| [08:25:42] | justinh: | oh noes! |
| [08:25:56] | Beirdo: | I need to find my IR transmitter.. |
| [08:26:00] | justinh: | my laptop's vista serial number label has fallen off & is indistinguishable |
| [08:26:16] | haffe: | Guess I will just have to swallow it up and buy that C2D E8600 |
| [08:26:39] | justinh: | haffe: there's never been a substitute for MOARCPU |
| [08:26:55] | justinh: | VDPAU is sure a great idea... as was xvmc but... |
| [08:27:29] | justinh: | there'll be times when even VDPAU can't cope with something you throw at it.. and for those times you need MOARCPU |
| [08:27:45] | tank-man: | haffe, why the switch from amd to intel? |
| [08:27:51] | Beirdo: | this laptop's keyboard needs a blowjob |
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| [08:28:05] | Beirdo: | ain't got a compressed air can with me |
| [08:28:30] | justinh: | remove keyboard, give keyboard a really good shake |
| [08:28:54] | justinh: | or if you have a vacuum cleaner... heheheh |
| [08:29:33] | justinh: | so glad I went with wireless after all that time. I'd look sillier sitting in the garden with a network cable trailing |
| [08:29:44] | Beirdo: | I'll get it clean one of these days |
| [08:30:05] | Beirdo: | if it weren't for the TV, I coulda and shoulda sat on the balcony today |
| [08:30:13] | Beirdo: | beautiful dang day |
| [08:30:26] | Beirdo: | I could see the Olympic Mountains quite clearly |
| [08:30:34] | justinh: | was supposed to rain here all day. looks like we got it during the night instead |
| [08:30:41] | justinh: | yay for wrong weather forecasts |
| [08:30:43] | Beirdo: | big mountains still take my breath away :) |
| [08:36:12] | Beirdo: | they are about maybe 100km west of me... when it's clear (which is relatively rare), they are quite visible |
| [08:37:00] | Beirdo: | 50–100km... |
| [08:43:51] | justinh: | wonder if tmdb have much stuff about warner bros cartoons |
| [08:53:43] | justinh: | need to greatly expand my cartoons archive |
| [08:53:48] | ** justinh goes to buy some dvds ** | |
| [08:54:45] | justinh: | wth? you can BUY lazytown DVDs? |
| [08:54:48] | justinh: | who the heck... |
| [08:56:20] | justinh: | haven't actually *seen* lazytown except on a satirical review show... but for pity's sakes... preachy kids tv at its worst |
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| [08:57:51] | tweek__: | gotta do the cooking by the book! |
| [08:59:20] | tweek__: | you know the problem with most recent animation? |
| [08:59:36] | tweek__: | it all attempts to outdo the Simpsons |
| [08:59:53] | tweek__: | surprisingly, even a lot of the kids stuff |
| [09:00:14] | justinh: | the simpsons suck in recent seasons |
| [09:00:19] | tweek__: | I wouldn't normally have a problem with that, but it's been done to DEATH |
| [09:00:38] | justinh: | simpsons isn't even a kids' show |
| [09:00:41] | tweek__: | Ren + Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life, South Park, Family Guy and so on |
| [09:00:50] | tweek__: | more coming out every day |
| [09:00:54] | justinh: | ren+stimpy were BEFORE the simpsons |
| [09:01:15] | justinh: | and FG totally owns anything Groening can do IMHO |
| [09:01:25] | tweek__: | edgy, usually stuffed with obvious hamfisted political statements |
| [09:01:32] | justinh: | heh |
| [09:01:36] | Beirdo: | eeeergh! |
| [09:01:43] | Beirdo: | why won't this WORK!? |
| [09:01:55] | justinh: | and the simpsons is.. er... a vehicle for stupid guest stars these days AFAICT |
| [09:01:57] | tweek__: | always with a 'typical' American family with just the right amount of wackiness |
| [09:02:14] | tweek__: | when anyone says 'Simpsons' they mean 'Simpsons seasons 3 through 9' |
| [09:02:17] | tweek__: | the rest didn't happen |
| [09:02:31] | justinh: | homer used to be a bum with his heart in the right place.. now he's just an idiot we wanna hate |
| [09:03:02] | justinh: | I like to think that getting tony blair to voice a character was the lowest point though |
| [09:03:17] | justinh: | I suspect it wasn;t |
| [09:03:50] | tweek__: | and if you're saying that Seth MacFarlane openly whining like a stupid fucking bitch about how non-atheists are evil cultists oppressing the rational and how marijuana is outlawed because of some corporate conspiracy and how ... god, it's not even the political statements, despite how dead-fucking-obvious they are, I mean other shows are loaded with them |
| [09:03:55] | tweek__: | it's that |
| [09:03:58] | tweek__: | the jokes surrounding them |
| [09:04:01] | justinh: | ROFL.. Amazon has put Ren & Stimpy in the kids section |
| [09:04:03] | tweek__: | are _not funny_ |
| [09:04:05] | justinh: | language |
| [09:04:06] | Beirdo: | tweek__: language |
| [09:04:14] | tweek__: | oh, yeah, Freenode. sorry |
| [09:04:33] | justinh: | but despite all that it's actually pretty funny |
| [09:05:29] | justinh: | speaking of which where on Earth are all the roadrunner compilation dvds? |
| [09:05:31] | tweek__: | watch the Stephen King ep and tell me it's 'actually pretty funny' |
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| [09:05:38] | Beirdo: | Ooooh |
| [09:05:48] | Beirdo: | I bet mythtv's too smart for its own good |
| [09:05:57] | tweek__: | it's just the movies copied verbatim with FG characters and a couple cutaways every now and then |
| [09:05:59] | justinh: | VHS... ROFL |
| [09:06:11] | justinh: | tweek__: don't think it's reached here yet |
| [09:06:16] | Beirdo: | I'm trying to download the ATSC OTA listings... but it's attached to an ivtv card |
| [09:06:25] | tweek__: | watch the something-something dark side ep and tell me it's funny at all |
| [09:06:40] | justinh: | let's agree to disagree shall we? |
| [09:06:42] | Beirdo: | not normally possible combination (although my plan is to use an external HD tuner box for a bit) |
| [09:06:42] | tweek__: | it comes off like a bad web review with a couple in-jokes to old eps |
| [09:06:53] | tweek__: | I mean, don't get me wrong, the old FG eps are pretty awesome |
| [09:07:36] | justinh: | it's about the funniest thing on British TV right now.. as long as Charlie Brooker is off the air |
| [09:08:03] | tweek__: | what I'm trying to awkwardly say through vulgarity and personal attacks and so on |
| [09:08:15] | tweek__: | is that there are no more Roadrunner-type cartoons in production |
| [09:08:20] | justinh: | yeah I know |
| [09:08:27] | justinh: | because cartoon violence is bad m'kay |
| [09:08:28] | tweek__: | no Pink Panther, no Tom and Jerry |
| [09:08:43] | tweek__: | not even a proper Flintstones |
| [09:08:49] | Beirdo: | that did it. |
| [09:08:59] | justinh: | because hilarious slapstick where people get squished by 1000Ton weights might make kids imitate it |
| [09:09:08] | Beirdo: | told it --do-not-filter-new-channels |
| [09:09:20] | justinh: | cos we all know kids can't differentiate between teevees and the real world right? |
| [09:09:27] | Beirdo: | might make em run of a cliff and not look down... |
| [09:09:58] | justinh: | when you leave em in the house in front of the teevees all day unsupervised & then they turn into masochistic idiots who go bashing people round the head with spades... er... |
| [09:10:15] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [09:10:18] | justinh: | anyhow. I like roadrunner :) |
| [09:10:31] | Beirdo: | they'll just start smoking weed and watching Ren & Stimpy |
| [09:11:15] | justinh: | I'd rather they did than start spouting platitudes they might pick up in Bob The Builder, Thomas The Stinking Tank Engine or Lazytown |
| [09:11:35] | tweek__: | I think at this point there's very little that won't make it past the censors |
| [09:12:08] | justinh: | heh.. cartoon violence was 'banned' but look at the crud served out in pokemon etc |
| [09:12:09] | tweek__: | unless it actually matters, i.e., when some snot-nosed kid makes a youtube video on his blog threatening violence |
| [09:13:34] | justinh: | hpmph. not much doing on DVD |
| [09:15:08] | Beirdo: | justinh: those shows are great for little kids |
| [09:15:22] | justinh: | not Thomas The Tank... |
| [09:15:24] | Beirdo: | but don't subject older kids to such tripe, please :) |
| [09:15:29] | justinh: | nor lazytown IMHO |
| [09:15:32] | justinh: | trite, junk |
| [09:15:36] | Beirdo: | so? |
| [09:15:40] | justinh: | not getting into my house |
| [09:15:40] | Beirdo: | kids like it |
| [09:15:44] | Beirdo: | it's not for the parents |
| [09:16:01] | Beirdo: | and as they grow up, they like better stuff |
| [09:16:20] | Beirdo: | Barney can just piss off though |
| [09:16:24] | justinh: | lol |
| [09:16:31] | Beirdo: | fat purple pedophile |
| [09:16:51] | justinh: | put that in the same box as Disney stuff :) |
| [09:16:58] | tweek__: | the problem is that it assumes there's not any slight chance that their viewers aren't morons |
| [09:17:13] | tweek__: | and as a kid I really, really hated that sentiment |
| [09:17:22] | Beirdo: | Disney is cutesy crap for girls |
| [09:17:30] | Beirdo: | well, depends on age |
| [09:17:44] | Beirdo: | a 2–3 year old is fine with being treated as a moron |
| [09:17:45] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [09:17:52] | Beirdo: | they REALLY don't know much |
| [09:18:07] | Beirdo: | try that on a 5–6 year old, you'll likely get sworn at |
| [09:18:07] | tweek__: | granted |
| [09:18:36] | tweek__: | I'm told I was reading by that age, but granted |
| [09:19:19] | justinh: | and Popeye.. man I've NO idea who that was aimed at |
| [09:19:19] | Beirdo: | yeah... I was reading by 3 myself |
| [09:19:21] | tweek__: | and Disney these days is more about teen idols squirting foam at their audience. it's weird |
| [09:19:24] | Beirdo: | but most kids aren't |
| [09:19:53] | justinh: | UK TV used to show all these 'cartoons' for kids that just weren't funny. to any age |
| [09:19:55] | Beirdo: | Disney cartoons are still OK, but I prefer Warner Bros |
| [09:20:15] | justinh: | it's more tolerable when they put stuff in there for adults to 'get' |
| [09:20:17] | Beirdo: | justinh: try watching em stoned... it might help |
| [09:20:51] | justinh: | then I guess I wouldn't mind sitting down & watching with junior :) |
| [09:21:08] | justinh: | but if it's all just blah blah ponies, lahhdy-dah... I'll wanna kill |
| [09:21:20] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [09:21:27] | Beirdo: | or get MORE stoned |
| [09:21:33] | Beirdo: | then it'd be all cool |
| [09:21:43] | justinh: | not sure being stoned while supervising a kid is such a good idea though |
| [09:21:47] | Beirdo: | just pretend they are unicorns |
| [09:21:56] | Beirdo: | hehe, OK, you got me there |
| [09:22:43] | justinh: | Spongebob Squarepants has a big following among my sister & her clubbing friends. for reasons known only to post-clubbing folks |
| [09:22:43] | Beirdo: | just tune it out I guess |
| [09:23:03] | Beirdo: | I actually like that one, especially when durnk' |
| [09:23:18] | justinh: | my wife likes it too |
| [09:23:28] | justinh: | and we don't even have a kid yet lol |
| [09:23:42] | justinh: | soon though.. God help us |
| [09:24:02] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [09:24:19] | Beirdo: | just don't make the middle name "Git" |
| [09:24:31] | Beirdo: | heh, although I'm sure it will be deserved at times |
| [09:24:38] | tweek__: | my brother likes that show, no idea why |
| [09:25:43] | justinh: | btw this is the reason I've not finished my 'concept' theme yet.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/28466032@N02/tags/nursery/ |
| [09:26:23] | justinh: | that *was* the computer/junk room/dj studio. took 6 weeks to clear it all out of there |
| [09:26:45] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:26:57] | tweek__: | this looks like it's straight out of some movie or sitcom |
| [09:26:59] | Beirdo: | you could use the wall art as the beginning of a new theme |
| [09:27:19] | tweek__: | like it's not real, a soundstage, it's ... too clean |
| [09:27:20] | justinh: | we were looking around for ideas to decorate & all these nursery magazines have this faux victorian overdone look.. not to mention totally miserable & dark |
| [09:27:23] | tweek__: | how long did that take? |
| [09:27:41] | justinh: | clearing out the room & making the walls good took weeks |
| [09:28:10] | justinh: | wallpaper comes off easy.. specially when it's old.. but the paint underneath that took some getting off |
| [09:28:32] | justinh: | fixed the floor, changed the electrics, moved the radiator.. |
| [09:29:10] | justinh: | the artwork is stickers btw. I didn't paint them myself lol |
| [09:29:33] | justinh: | if I could do *that* myself I don't think I'd be in a day job I hate somehow |
| [09:29:41] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [09:29:54] | justinh: | well I *coulda* but the room is too small to allow a decent throw on a video projector ;) |
| [09:30:24] | tweek__: | looks as if all the effort has paid off |
| [09:30:55] | justinh: | yep.. hopefully time for the 'new smell' of everything to subside before the little critter is born :) |
| [09:32:06] | justinh: | all it needs now is curtains.. but that's not my department |
| [09:33:21] | Beirdo: | it's curtains for you |
| [09:34:26] | justinh: | I might just end up editing arclight to use bigger fonts y'know (sorry iamlindoro!). I'm sick of editing xml now |
| [09:35:41] | justinh: | ruh? how come no SG artwork is showing on my frontend? |
| [09:35:42] | Beirdo: | Watching.... Dead Like Me |
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| [09:36:12] | justinh: | ahh. no SGs.. I've got directories still |
| [09:37:24] | justinh: | oh WHAT? |
| [09:37:33] | justinh: | my stupid harmony remote has crashed |
| [09:38:33] | justinh: | sure enough, taking the batteries out & putting em back in has fixed it |
| [09:38:44] | justinh: | never heard of a remote control crashing before |
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| [09:39:26] | justinh: | I reckon the onscreen keyboard needs a CLEAR button |
| [09:40:07] | justinh: | GAH. and the remote crashes AGAIN |
| [09:40:33] | justinh: | must only like OK being pressed so many times |
| [09:40:58] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:41:34] | justinh: | gonna have to look into adding a CLEAR button to that keyboard |
| [09:42:55] | tweek__: | remember way back when gasoline was $1/gal |
| [09:43:16] | tweek__: | cell phones were used to make calls, and occasionally could receive them |
| [09:43:31] | tweek__: | and remote controls were stateless devices? |
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| [09:45:39] | justinh: | I remember the time before remote controls |
| [09:45:52] | Beirdo: | ye olde knob |
| [09:46:16] | Beirdo: | when the youngest kid in the room was the remote control... |
| [09:46:19] | justinh: | I remmeber when there were only 3 TV channels |
| [09:46:43] | justinh: | and most of our relatives still only had black & white teevees! |
| [09:46:48] | Beirdo: | hhehe |
| [09:46:50] | Beirdo: | geeer |
| [09:46:54] | Beirdo: | geezer |
| [09:47:02] | Beirdo: | stupid z stuck :) |
| [09:47:05] | tweek__: | the stone age |
| [09:47:07] | Beirdo: | ain't it fun being old? |
| [09:47:17] | justinh: | 38 next month.. not so old |
| [09:47:28] | justinh: | I can still party hard once in a while :) |
| [09:47:28] | Beirdo: | just a touch older than me :) |
| [09:47:39] | tweek__: | back when communism and nuclear war were serious threats and not laughable jokes |
| [09:47:42] | Beirdo: | I'll be 37 in December |
| [09:47:47] | tweek__: | and people inexplicably found Don Knotts funny |
| [09:48:06] | Beirdo: | tweek__: communism never was a serious threat |
| [09:48:08] | justinh: | tweek__: yeah kids today don't know they're born. in our day the mushroom cloud was a possible boogeyman |
| [09:48:20] | Beirdo: | we just thought it was |
| [09:48:38] | justinh: | funny, it was never the communists we feared here |
| [09:48:50] | justinh: | it was the USA's over twitchy finger over the NUKE button |
| [09:48:56] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [09:49:10] | Beirdo: | and that was the main reason nuclear war was a serious threat |
| [09:49:38] | Beirdo: | Russia was too busy losing to Afghanistan... much like the USA/Britain/Canada is now |
| [09:49:52] | justinh: | I remember going to bed when I was a kid, and waking up later to hear an air raid siren. I was scared witless |
| [09:50:02] | Beirdo: | oh fun |
| [09:50:02] | justinh: | turned out it was just the end of Dad's Army on telly |
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| [09:50:34] | Beirdo: | but anyways... |
| [09:50:56] | justinh: | what was the US nuclear holocaust film called again? We had 'Threads' which was grim absolut |
| [09:50:58] | Beirdo: | why did that ssh connection drop? |
| [09:51:11] | Beirdo: | I need to kick my modem's butt |
| [09:51:13] | justinh: | and where's my frontend's artwork?! |
| [09:51:27] | Beirdo: | heh. Dr. Strangelove? |
| [09:51:42] | Beirdo: | Peter Sellers FTW |
| [09:52:00] | justinh: | nah, there was one in the 80s where it was supposed to be a realistic account |
| [09:52:07] | tweek__: | Red Dawn? |
| [09:52:23] | tweek__: | Iron Giant deals with some of the duck-and-cover stuff |
| [09:55:45] | justinh: | ahh The Day After was it |
| [09:57:50] | tweek__: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2kdpAGDu8s <-- god this had to be painful to watch |
| [09:58:20] | Beirdo: | well, 3am. time to sleep |
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| [10:02:37] | justinh: | night |
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| [11:01:31] | justinh: | gah can I heck get this video-ui.xml file to parse right |
| [11:01:38] | justinh: | not parsing selectedactive |
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| [11:06:25] | justinh: | aha! I'm changing /usr/share/mythtv/themes/concept-wide but the changes ain't happening |
| [11:08:41] | justinh: | LOL. changing the files on the frontend not the system I'm NX'd into |
| [11:17:30] | justinh: | whoah Jonathon Frakes directed some of V? |
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| [11:58:52] | Bhaal: | Alright, Im a little stuck... How do I watch the JAXA capsule landing tonight in MythTV 0.23 ?? no mythstream hehe |
| [11:59:09] | Bhaal: | watch it via nasatv is what I am meaning |
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| [12:13:37] | Bhaal: | Bah, mythnetvision isnt working anyway, doesnt matter what I am trying to watch, it crashes... |
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| [12:16:51] | RDV_Linux: | Bhaal: As the wiki says if you are viewing a video and you have issues the problem is with MythBrowser. MythNetvision only retrieves and organizes video links that you can watch. Does MythBrowser work with other video links? |
| [12:17:33] | RDV_Linux: | Bhaal: Multiple people did not have Flash properly installed and had better luck when that was fixed. |
| [12:18:01] | Bhaal: | RDV_Linux: no idee... Although I am running Mythbuntu ... it install the flash etc... |
| [12:18:08] | Bhaal: | I will try browsing soemthing else |
| [12:20:43] | Bhaal: | Hrm, it starts to bring up the page, then crashes, I am trying www.ted.com |
| [12:20:53] | Bhaal: | must be the flash content |
| [12:22:00] | Bhaal: | will see what firefox does |
| [12:24:17] | Bhaal: | flash is working in FF |
| [12:26:12] | Bhaal: | RDV_Linux: Is that any indication at all whether flash should work in mythweb? |
| [12:26:21] | Bhaal: | err mythbrowser |
| [12:28:01] | xand: | not unless it uses FF |
| [12:28:17] | xand: | FF stores its plugins in ~/.mozilla/plugins or similar |
| [12:28:29] | RDV_Linux: | Bhaal: hmm I did not ever have an issue like that so cannot answer the question. How are checking MythBrowser and Flah outside of MythNetvision? |
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| [12:28:43] | Bhaal: | So, anyone know of the mythbuntu install of the flash stuff should work? |
| [12:29:11] | Bhaal: | RDV_Linux: using mythbrowser directly ... I tried going to http://www.ted.com |
| [12:29:18] | Bhaal: | It crashed MythTV completely |
| [12:29:22] | Bhaal: | errr frontend |
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| [12:29:37] | Bhaal: | I have back and front ends on different machines |
| [12:30:45] | RDV_Linux: | Bhaal: It should as we worked with the Mythbuntu developers. In fact I reported to them that they needed Flash as a dependency when they started to include Mythnetvision. You can ask in the #ubuntu-mythtv-dev channel. |
| [12:31:27] | Bhaal: | Im trying it on this workstation, to see if it its something hardware wise |
| [12:31:51] | RDV_Linux: | Bhaal: I have not heard of Mythbuntu bug reports like what you are reporting. |
| [12:32:25] | martinfourie: | Hi all |
| [12:32:33] | RDV_Linux: | Bhaal: More likely an Flash install issues as that seems to be what others have experienced. |
| [12:33:44] | Bhaal: | RDV_Linux: Hrm, if so, then its to do with mythbuntu ... I just went to the same site in mythweb on this workstation (standard ubuntu 10.04) and mythweb ran flash fine... |
| [12:34:37] | Defense: | does mythtv somewhere have a channels.conf? |
| [12:34:55] | martinfourie: | Just want to ask a question on where to find a setup guide for secondary backends. I dont find anything googling? |
| [12:35:50] | RDV_Linux: | Bhaal: You mentioned Mythweb again, do you mean MythBrowser? MythWeb can be used in any Web browser. |
| [12:36:21] | Bhaal: | Sorry my bad, I mean MythBrowser |
| [12:36:34] | Bhaal: | to many MythSomethings in my head :) |
| [12:39:42] | RDV_Linux: | Bhaal: np, Ok so if Mythbrowser and flash worked on one workstation then seek help in the Mythbuntu channel as they may have some insight. |
| [12:40:03] | Bhaal: | Just to be sure its not something funny, I am trying the MS Windows solution to everything.... |
| [12:40:12] | Bhaal: | (reboot) |
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| [12:40:47] | Bhaal: | RDV_Linux: yep, will do, thanks for your time though, its very much appreciated! |
| [12:40:58] | RDV_Linux: | np |
| [12:42:25] | martinfourie: | Hi RDV Linux do you no where I can find secondary backend setup guide? |
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| [13:28:58] | sphery: | Beirdo: probably http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6637#comment:3 |
| [13:29:37] | justinh: | Defense: no, mythtv doesn't need a channels.conf – and use of a channels.conf is positively discouraged when scanning |
| [13:30:03] | Defense: | justinh: thx. |
| [13:30:56] | justinh: | if scanning genuinely fails and you have to resort to using a channels.conf gleaned from some other program (e.g. dvbutils 'scan') you should report it |
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| [13:35:20] | justinh: | ho ho ho. ITV HD screwed up the world cup of soccer showing by cutting to an advert & making fans miss the non-own goal England scored |
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| [13:45:58] | jduggan: | justinh: lol i heared about that |
| [13:46:04] | jduggan: | i was on the road so didnt see it myself |
| [13:46:18] | justinh: | I was doing something less boring too :) |
| [13:46:37] | jduggan: | i'm not english so it was down on my priority list :) |
| [13:47:05] | jduggan: | im a welsh guy living in england :) |
| [13:47:54] | wagnerrp: | justinh: ive got a friend who was watching it, claimed a US guy actually kicked it, not expecting it to actually go in |
| [13:47:56] | jduggan: | plenty of banter as you can imagine |
| [13:48:02] | jduggan: | yea |
| [13:48:05] | jduggan: | it was a weak attempt |
| [13:48:09] | jduggan: | oh wait |
| [13:48:16] | jduggan: | are you talking about the USA goal ? |
| [13:48:38] | wagnerrp: | the one justinh said was actually kicked by an English player |
| [13:48:48] | jduggan: | oh gerrard |
| [13:48:53] | jduggan: | it wasnt kicked by a US guy |
| [13:49:43] | wagnerrp: | dirty FIFA.... blocking all youtube videos |
| [13:55:07] | highzeth: | FIA, thats all that matters, 1h33m till F1 GP Canada kicks off. brrrrmmmmmm |
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| [14:05:30] | highzeth: | if there are any win/mac users with a WebM capable browser in here, please test http://file.ohhh.no/webm and tell me how it floats, thx |
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| [14:11:56] | jams: | wagnerrp- thanks for notice. Thie site is actually like that on purpose. Somebody was running a php exploit against me, so I disabled php until I have a chance to fix the hole. |
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| [14:13:19] | jams: | about the world cup goal, it was not kicked in by a UK player. It was a standard shot that Green should have stopped, but it hit his hands, spun out and trickled back in the net. |
| [14:14:20] | jams: | Glad it happened, but felt so bad for Green when it did. |
| [14:14:38] | jams: | Green is the uk goalie |
| [14:15:11] | highzeth: | so thats why I saw so many people shout Go Green! last night, thought it was a environment mob happening |
| [14:15:49] | highzeth: | <- never got the soccer thing |
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| [14:16:20] | clever: | highzeth: for both my webm build and non-webm build, it just comes up as an x |
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| [14:16:44] | highzeth: | clever: hmm what browsers? |
| [14:16:53] | clever: | highzeth: firefox 3.6 and 3.7webm |
| [14:17:02] | clever: | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.3a4webm) Gecko/20100518 MozillaDeveloperPreview/3.7a4webm |
| [14:17:27] | highzeth: | strange, chromium, opera(webm) & ff nightly it works on linux here |
| [14:19:22] | clever: | highzeth: its also not really working on chrome/win32 |
| [14:19:30] | clever: | no X but the play button doesnt do anything |
| [14:19:48] | highzeth: | ok, thanx for testing |
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| [14:20:02] | clever: | might just be the filesize |
| [14:20:20] | clever: | not sure |
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| [14:20:34] | clever: | even wfet is taking its time |
| [14:21:03] | lautriv: | hi, anyone using lirc on 2.6.34 ? |
| [14:22:56] | clever: | highzeth: even mplayer doesnt like the file:S |
| [14:23:01] | highzeth: | updated ff nightly and now Im seeing the same X |
| [14:23:15] | clever: | ah, maybe its firefox to blame |
| [14:23:16] | highzeth: | well, mplayer needs to be compiled against libvpx |
| [14:24:29] | highzeth: | chromium 6.0.427.0 (49012) works |
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| [14:25:09] | highzeth: | opera 10.54-21867-webm works |
| [14:25:11] | clever: | i had grabbed my webm enabled ff from http://nightly.mozilla.org/webm/ |
| [14:25:26] | clever: | may 19th... |
| [14:26:27] | clever: | let me update my nightly build and get back to you |
| [14:26:56] | highzeth: | well, that wont help if you are using the ff nightly ubuntu ppa, I just updated from there |
| [14:27:09] | clever: | nightly build directly from the source |
| [14:27:21] | highzeth: | 10–4 |
| [14:27:26] | clever: | i checked it out a while ago, just need to pull the latest changes and update |
| [14:27:59] | clever: | i was doing some dev work on a c++ extension a while back and full debug symbols helped |
| [14:28:09] | clever: | and made it insanely huge:P |
| [14:28:28] | clever: | removing -Os is a bad idea for space |
| [14:28:41] | highzeth: | =) |
| [14:28:59] | clever: | i only had 512mb of ram to link it, the damn libxul took 12 hours to link |
| [14:29:59] | highzeth: | well, feel free to grab the webm file itself and try against ffplay fi(if you got a ffmpeg compiled with libvpx that is) |
| [14:30:15] | clever: | bash: ffplay: command not found |
| [14:30:23] | clever: | i forget how to actualy enable that in gentoo |
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| [14:30:34] | clever: | only time ive seen it is when i compiled ffmpeg by hand |
| [14:31:09] | clever: | i'm guessing its the test USE flag |
| [14:31:11] | highzeth: | hmm I havent compiled ffmpeg on gentoo for a while, cannot recall which use flags was needed |
| [14:32:34] | clever: | o duh, ffmpeg isnt even installed yet! |
| [14:32:35] | clever: | lol |
| [14:33:09] | highzeth: | I compiled libvpx/ffmpeg/x264 etc all from source before I started test encoding webm |
| [14:33:35] | highzeth: | oh harr ;) |
| [14:35:08] | highzeth: | does ffmpeg have a libvpx/vp8 use flag? might not be updated in gentoo |
| [14:35:27] | clever: | [ebuild N ] media-video/ffmpeg-0.5_p20373 USE="3dnow 3dnowext X alsa encode hardcoded-tables ipv6 mmx mmxext ssse3 test vdpau zlib (-altivec) -amr -bindist -cpudetection -custom-cflags -debug -dirac -doc -faac -faad -gsm -ieee1394 -jack -jpeg2k -mp3 -network -oss -pic -schroedinger -sdl -speex -theora -threads -v4l -v4l2 -vorbis -x264 -xvid" VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia" 3,016 kB |
| [14:35:29] | highzeth: | sync'ing my portage on one of the gentoo boxes now to see |
| [14:35:38] | clever: | i synced last night |
| [14:35:47] | highzeth: | you need vorbis |
| [14:35:58] | highzeth: | webm is vp8+vorbis |
| [14:36:39] | clever: | ah, that explains why mplayer didnt understand it then, i had it marked -vorbis |
| [14:36:47] | highzeth: | Id throw in x264, xvid, pic, theora & threads too |
| [14:36:52] | clever: | this gentoo is stripped down to the bones |
| [14:37:03] | highzeth: | yeah, as it should be ;) |
| [14:37:13] | clever: | my entire rootfs is stored on a tmpfs |
| [14:37:17] | clever: | no harddrive |
| [14:37:19] | highzeth: | first entry in make.conf USE="-*... ? hehe |
| [14:38:17] | clever: | custom initrd |
| [14:38:28] | highzeth: | gotcha |
| [14:38:44] | clever: | it basicaly unpacks root.tar.bz2 from a usb stick into the tmpfs |
| [14:38:50] | justinh: | reasons to hate gentoo.. part 1 .. 2 ... 3 |
| [14:39:01] | clever: | and then pivot_root's over to it like any normal initrd |
| [14:39:17] | highzeth: | justinh: and the reason to love it, customization goes both ways |
| [14:39:58] | clever: | i could probly do it with ubuntu too, but id have to be a bit more carefull to match the existing config in the binary packages |
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| [14:40:15] | clever: | and it would be alot harder to trim the fa |
| [14:40:16] | clever: | t |
| [14:40:41] | clever: | ubuntu simply doesnt allow FEATURES="$FEATURES nodoc noinfo noman" |
| [14:40:43] | highzeth: | would need to do alot of pinning in a deb distro |
| [14:40:54] | justinh: | not really |
| [14:41:17] | highzeth: | oh nice, libvpx is infact in portage, albeit masked of course |
| [14:41:23] | clever: | even my nfs booting ubuntu is a tad upset, it incists on having atleast grub or lilo |
| [14:41:35] | clever: | but it doesnt need either because of pxelinux |
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| [14:42:41] | clever: | if i had enough ram in a frontend, i could probly make a similar setup for mythfrontend |
| [14:42:53] | clever: | the bigest bloat right now is wine |
| [14:43:45] | highzeth: | hmm ffmpeg dont pull in libvpx even when accepting keywords, or using test as use flag. |
| [14:44:12] | clever: | i think it has the code internal and is just turning it on/off |
| [14:44:45] | highzeth: | have to explisitly enable it when compiling from source, how would that differ in gentoo? |
| [14:45:05] | justinh: | wouldn't. unless something was broken |
| [14:45:24] | highzeth: | well, you'll see soon enough when its trickling through configure |
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| [14:46:19] | highzeth: | ahh ffmpeg-9999-r1 ebuild has vpx check |
| [14:46:43] | highzeth: | 0.5_p22846 does not |
| [14:46:54] | highzeth: | so another package to unmask |
| [14:48:40] | clever: | dang, it wants to install another 41 packages |
| [14:48:44] | clever: | half of them perl |
| [14:51:17] | highzeth: | setting up a gentoo vps so I can see how it floats |
| [14:51:52] | clever: | i was using gentoo in chroot a while back, and it went nuts when i tried to start rsyncd |
| [14:52:07] | clever: | rsyncd depends on the filesystems being mounted, which depends on them being fsck'd |
| [14:52:15] | clever: | fstab wasnt setup yet, so it bailed |
| [14:52:26] | clever: | and if fsck bails, it auto-reboots thinking something was modified |
| [14:52:35] | clever: | even inside a chroot, it can reboot the host..... |
| [14:52:59] | clever: | that server was holding the entire network together |
| [14:53:00] | highzeth: | I use openvz |
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| [14:58:29] | highzeth: | 74 packages to update under 'system', I guess I should update my template after this ;) |
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| [17:42:41] | oobe: | http://is.gd/cNS0z mmmm |
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| [17:55:33] | lapion: | I am having problems update the mythtv-schedule db, I have to do it manually: sudo myth..etc,etc.. |
| [17:57:10] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-schedule? |
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| [18:32:37] | justinh: | I had problems with the mythtv-madeupname database once |
| [18:32:50] | justinh: | turned out I should've been using mythconverg ;) |
| [18:33:58] | justinh: | lapion: if you're having to run mythfilldatabase as the mythtv user – and I dunno why you wouldn't want to.. that's because you don't have a videosourcename.xmltv in your ~/.mythtv/ directory like you do in /home/mythtv/.mythtv |
| [18:34:34] | justinh: | the backend should generally run mythfilldatabase, so the user mythbackend runs as should have the .xmltv config file in its .mythtv dir |
| [18:35:05] | justinh: | which coincidentally is the user you probably ran mythtv-setup as – or certainly the one which configured xmltv for you |
| [18:43:34] | high-rez: | Any dvb-s people out there? I'm trying to setup with a dvb-s card and I get Warning: No device tree for cardid 0 when I click on the unconencted device |
| [18:43:42] | high-rez: | It simply won't allowme to add a lnb/switch/anything |
| [18:45:09] | justinh: | sure mythbackend isn't running already? or is anything else using it? or are you in the wrong group to use the device? |
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| [18:45:28] | [R]: | high-rez: it does nothing when you hit enter? |
| [18:45:48] | high-rez: | justinh: Backend isn't running (or anything else) and I'm root. it can query the device.. |
| [18:45:52] | high-rez: | R: just flashes |
| [18:45:56] | high-rez: | But does nothing |
| [18:46:04] | [R]: | you're sure its selected? |
| [18:46:06] | [R]: | sometimes its not |
| [18:46:19] | justinh: | sometimes it's hard to tell ;) |
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| [18:47:01] | [R]: | sometimes you feel like a nut |
| [18:47:08] | high-rez: | Wow |
| [18:47:13] | high-rez: | Dude |
| [18:47:16] | high-rez: | I feel stupid |
| [18:47:28] | high-rez: | The default theme makes it really hard to tell when soemthing is selected :) |
| [18:47:31] | high-rez: | I feel stupid. |
| [18:47:53] | wagnerrp: | and repetitive |
| [18:47:57] | high-rez: | Thanks guys :) |
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| [18:49:44] | [R]: | has anyone seen Sneakers (1992)? |
| [18:49:48] | [R]: | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105435/ |
| [18:50:00] | wagnerrp: | ive got it on disc |
| [18:50:21] | [R]: | any good? |
| [18:51:04] | wagnerrp: | i enjoyed it |
| [18:51:22] | [R]: | i'll give it a shot i guess |
| [18:51:35] | wagnerrp: | it actually realistic in its portrayal of security testers |
| [18:51:44] | wagnerrp: | not the typical 3D GUI hacking |
| [18:51:55] | [R]: | can't go wrong with dan akroyd right? |
| [18:52:27] | wagnerrp: | a bit preachy at times, but thats forgivable |
| [18:53:11] | [R]: | i've never seen deuce bigalow |
| [18:53:15] | [R]: | is it as stupid as i think it is? |
| [18:53:28] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [18:54:12] | [R]: | but its in HD... |
| [18:54:19] | [R]: | surely that'll make it better |
| [18:54:20] | [R]: | lol |
| [18:54:29] | justinh: | people will watch anything if it's in aitch dee |
| [18:54:47] | justinh: | moreso if it's three dee |
| [18:55:12] | wagnerrp: | youre not concerned by the plight of the underprivileged male, who suddenly finds themselves far in debt with no way out other than to debaucher themselves to the lowest bidder? |
| [18:56:11] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: laserdisc? :P |
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| [18:56:30] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: nah, hddvd |
| [18:56:44] | justinh: | sometimes stupid movies can be good fun |
| [18:57:07] | justinh: | depends how many toilet related jokes you can stand |
| [19:03:09] | high-rez: | The BD stuff in 0.24... Will it work on iso images of BD disks? |
| [19:03:21] | high-rez: | (e.g. backups) |
| [19:03:25] | wagnerrp: | as long as theyre decrypted and on a local disk |
| [19:03:42] | high-rez: | Awesome. |
| [19:04:29] | [R]: | i really need an analog tuner... i hate having conflicts |
| [19:04:31] | high-rez: | I have all of my dvds on the harddisk as iso images anyways – so this is just an extension of what I already do :) |
| [19:04:45] | high-rez: | R: Analog tuner? Are there such things anymore?:) |
| [19:04:56] | [R]: | high-rez: just got 2 for my dad |
| [19:05:37] | high-rez: | Whats your video source? |
| [19:06:06] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: you just cant buy them new, unless they come with a digital tuner |
| [19:06:32] | [R]: | high-rez: either a cable box... in which case i dont need a tuner, just capture... or straight from the cable line |
| [19:06:58] | high-rez: | Ahh |
| [19:07:04] | [R]: | dual input hdpvr... that's what their next product should be |
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| [19:09:08] | high-rez: | Gah stupid X – sent the display to sleep while channel scanning |
| [19:09:08] | high-rez: | :/ |
| [19:09:37] | [R]: | so hit a button |
| [19:10:01] | wagnerrp: | [R]: not a HDPVR PCI[e]? |
| [19:11:34] | [R]: | mmmm.... dual input pci card! |
| [19:11:36] | [R]: | even better |
| [19:11:38] | [R]: | muhaha |
| [19:11:50] | wagnerrp: | that would need dongles, or a daughter card |
| [19:11:58] | [R]: | i never said it'd be pretty |
| [19:12:07] | [R]: | but they defintely need to make it in a card form |
| [19:12:19] | [R]: | i despise usb with every fiber of my being |
| [19:12:52] | Beirdo: | I'd rather see it stay USB |
| [19:13:02] | [R]: | why? |
| [19:13:08] | [R]: | usb is so freakin flaky |
| [19:13:14] | Beirdo: | it lets us use smaller motherboard/cases |
| [19:13:25] | Beirdo: | which allows for lower power setups |
| [19:13:44] | Beirdo: | and you can't run out of slots |
| [19:14:12] | Beirdo: | and later, when PCI Express is passe, there will still be USB |
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| [19:14:40] | [R]: | it's still extremely flaky |
| [19:14:40] | Beirdo: | just think... if your tuner was AGP, how hosed would you be now? |
| [19:14:49] | [R]: | a tuner wouldn't be agp |
| [19:14:54] | [R]: | so you're question is pointless |
| [19:14:56] | esperegu: | how can I improve playback quality of HD? I have an atom330 with nvidia onboard. |
| [19:14:59] | Beirdo: | I've never found USB to be flaky |
| [19:15:00] | wagnerrp: | just think, if your tuner was AGP, you would always be hosed |
| [19:15:07] | [R]: | my hdpvr is so flaky |
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| [19:15:24] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yes, true, but still, the principle remains |
| [19:15:25] | wagnerrp: | AGP was never designed for upstream bandwidth |
| [19:15:26] | [R]: | esperegu: what do you mean quality? |
| [19:15:37] | esperegu: | [R]: well. it is not really fluent |
| [19:15:43] | esperegu: | [R]: little shaky |
| [19:15:43] | [R]: | esperegu: what does fluent mean? |
| [19:15:49] | [R]: | esperegu: you're using vdpau? |
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| [19:15:54] | esperegu: | [R]: yes |
| [19:15:57] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: my problem with USB is my experience with hard drives |
| [19:16:10] | wagnerrp: | they always get abysmal performance |
| [19:16:12] | [R]: | esperegu: is your deinterlacers set up properly? |
| [19:16:18] | wagnerrp: | half the time they only connect through USB1.1 |
| [19:16:25] | esperegu: | [R]: cpu load of both frontend and backend are both 15% |
| [19:16:35] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah, many USB hard drives won't do USB2.0, and that bloweth large |
| [19:16:40] | esperegu: | [R]: what should I set where? |
| [19:16:53] | [R]: | esperegu: the vdpau wiki entry explains all about deinterlaces |
| [19:16:54] | wagnerrp: | for a good number of years, i couldnt expect to be able to use my external hard drive at work without panicking the linux workstation |
| [19:17:03] | [R]: | what's a super cheap upnp frontend? |
| [19:17:06] | wagnerrp: | they get random dropouts |
| [19:17:08] | [R]: | that works relatively well |
| [19:17:34] | Beirdo: | [R]: my tv :) |
| [19:17:41] | [R]: | Beirdo: lol |
| [19:17:50] | [R]: | Beirdo: a tv doesn't qualify as "super cheap" |
| [19:17:51] | Beirdo: | delta cost from being a TV: $0 |
| [19:17:58] | Beirdo: | sure it does. |
| [19:18:05] | [R]: | lol |
| [19:18:13] | wagnerrp: | delta cost from being a Samsung model without network support: $300 |
| [19:18:16] | Beirdo: | I don't need to pay extra for the upnp frontend :) |
| [19:18:23] | [R]: | lets say i'm not looking to buy a new tv |
| [19:18:30] | Beirdo: | OK then :) |
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| [19:24:37] | [R]: | my videos aren't showing up in upnp |
| [19:24:40] | [R]: | the directory is blank |
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| [19:25:01] | wagnerrp: | are you using storage groups? |
| [19:25:14] | [R]: | yup |
| [19:25:21] | wagnerrp: | thats why |
| [19:25:24] | [R]: | ah |
| [19:25:28] | wagnerrp: | the UPNP server never used the database |
| [19:25:40] | wagnerrp: | it only read off the local VideoStartupDir setting |
| [19:25:47] | wagnerrp: | which with storage groups, no longer exists |
| [19:26:24] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:26:29] | Beirdo: | I sense "bug" |
| [19:27:07] | wagnerrp: | 'course not, thats intended behavior |
| [19:27:16] | wagnerrp: | its just not desirable behavior |
| [19:27:36] | Beirdo: | aka... bug :)_ |
| [19:27:50] | Beirdo: | "that's not a bug, that's a feature" |
| [19:27:55] | wagnerrp: | its not a bug, its working exactly as designed |
| [19:28:19] | [R]: | ooo |
| [19:28:22] | [R]: | i could fix it! |
| [19:28:22] | Beirdo: | yeah, but the design no longer matches the overall system design |
| [19:29:06] | wagnerrp: | [R]: simple fix would be to read off the 'Videos' directories |
| [19:29:18] | ** [R] ponders the evilness ** | |
| [19:29:25] | wagnerrp: | complex fix would be to have it process the videometadata table for content, rather than maintaining its own list |
| [19:29:56] | wagnerrp: | which may require schema updates to include additional data not existing in the videometadata table |
| [19:30:43] | [R]: | nupplevideo |
| [19:30:48] | [R]: | come on... that sounds so dirty |
| [19:31:07] | Beirdo: | it's one key away from being a decent pr0n site name |
| [19:31:13] | [R]: | haha |
| [19:32:54] | Beirdo: | oooh NCIS marathon |
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| [19:34:36] | Beirdo: | I met a woman in the airport on the way to Philly that had all the same mannerisms as Gibbs |
| [19:34:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:35:09] | wagnerrp: | what, you mean you dont already have all 7 seasons of it sitting on your hard drives? |
| [19:35:18] | Beirdo: | heh, no I don't |
| [19:35:31] | Beirdo: | remember, I had no way to record for 4 years :) |
| [19:36:28] | wagnerrp: | thats right, they dont have TV in PR |
| [19:36:36] | Beirdo: | ehhe |
| [19:36:51] | Beirdo: | our crappy cableco wouldn't let us have a second box |
| [19:36:59] | Beirdo: | I had nothing to hook up to myth |
| [19:37:14] | wagnerrp: | no analog service? |
| [19:37:18] | wagnerrp: | no antenna? |
| [19:37:19] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [19:37:26] | Beirdo: | antenna? |
| [19:37:29] | wagnerrp: | thats craptastic |
| [19:37:43] | wagnerrp: | craptacular even |
| [19:37:44] | Beirdo: | sure if you want to record Telemundo or Univision |
| [19:38:19] | Beirdo: | anyways, here I am now... :) |
| [19:38:48] | Beirdo: | I need to get the IR box finished :) |
| [19:41:29] | esperegu: | [R]: which page you mean? I read this page: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU and didn't see something about deinterlaces? |
| [19:42:10] | [R]: | High Def 1080i De-interlacing capabilities On Each Card |
| [19:42:18] | [R]: | Enabling VDPAU in MythFrontend |
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| [19:43:20] | esperegu: | [R]: I have it enabled. selected the slim option |
| [19:43:38] | wagnerrp: | Slim does not use VDPAU |
| [19:43:48] | wagnerrp: | you should be using one of the VDPAU labeled methods |
| [19:44:01] | wagnerrp: | specifically VDPAU Normal |
| [19:44:01] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: it's called vdpau slim |
| [19:45:52] | Beirdo: | kormoc: I really like the new cool blue mythtv theme :) |
| [19:46:31] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: you wanna say that 'VDPAU slim' is not vdpau? |
| [19:47:05] | wagnerrp: | no, i want to say that your card can do better than that, you want Normal |
| [19:47:24] | esperegu: | i just selected 'VDPAU Normal' but that is worse then slim |
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| [19:47:38] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: do you know of any "easy" way to import recordings from an old mythtv setup to a new one? |
| [19:47:40] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: should I change something else then? |
| [19:50:07] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: do you have them named properly? |
| [19:50:12] | wagnerrp: | or are they using myth names? |
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| [19:50:49] | Beirdo: | myth names |
| [19:51:05] | Beirdo: | I have the old db as well (both on a 2TB external drive) |
| [19:51:32] | [R]: | esperegu: when you hit m during a recording and check |
| [19:51:35] | [R]: | "video scan" |
| [19:51:39] | Beirdo: | of course, the channels totally don't match :) |
| [19:51:42] | [R]: | what does it detect it as? |
| [19:51:53] | Beirdo: | I don't mind rescanning for commercials if I need to |
| [19:52:53] | wagnerrp: | if you can get the old database running to the point you can get mythrename working, i could whip something up using the mythvideo grabbers for metadata |
| [19:53:02] | esperegu: | [R]: only 'Detec (I)' is selected |
| [19:53:14] | [R]: | so it knows its interlaced |
| [19:53:24] | wagnerrp: | i would suggest merging your oldrecorded, channel, and source tables over if at all possible |
| [19:53:43] | Beirdo: | oh god no :) |
| [19:53:45] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:53:47] | wagnerrp: | just make the channels all hidden |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | the channels are from 2006 in Toronto |
| [19:54:06] | Beirdo: | yeah, I guess that could be done |
| [19:54:07] | wagnerrp: | and so are the recordings |
| [19:54:10] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [19:54:20] | Beirdo: | you have a good point |
| [19:54:20] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [19:54:28] | wagnerrp: | its not really needed, just makes it cleaner when viewing old recordings |
| [19:55:34] | esperegu: | [R]: that is when watching live tv |
| [19:55:37] | Beirdo: | I should go get the drive hooked up. |
| [19:55:53] | Beirdo: | I don't have the final setup yet |
| [19:56:12] | Beirdo: | soon :) but I wouldn't mind having the data available |
| [19:57:51] | wagnerrp: | i mean if you can rename them with title and subtitle, you could just create a dummy channel to hold them all |
| [19:58:17] | wagnerrp: | if you can get title, subtitle, chanid, and starttime, along with the matching source and channels |
| [19:58:20] | wagnerrp: | i could do a full recovery |
| [19:59:58] | esperegu: | [R]: / wagnerrp: any more ideas? |
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| [20:03:29] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: easiest still would just be to install your old database, let mythtv-setup walk the schema forward |
| [20:03:39] | wagnerrp: | and then just import in your new source and channels |
| [20:03:47] | wagnerrp: | and recordings if youve got those |
| [20:09:15] | Beirdo: | yeah, I guess |
| [20:09:28] | Beirdo: | but I kinda wanted a clean install, but good point |
| [20:13:36] | wagnerrp: | well you can always do a partial restore |
| [20:13:47] | wagnerrp: | but then you should expect a talking to from sphery |
| [20:16:57] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [20:17:30] | ** Beirdo slaps the stupid computer ** | |
| [20:17:40] | Beirdo: | trying to hook up both USB drives |
| [20:17:44] | Beirdo: | ran outta ports |
| [20:17:45] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:17:55] | Beirdo: | and I have NO clue where the hub may be |
| [20:18:48] | wagnerrp: | so much for that limitless expandability of USB |
| [20:18:54] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:18:58] | Beirdo: | it is limitless |
| [20:19:02] | Beirdo: | but you need hubs :) |
| [20:19:04] | AndyCap: | limitless? 127 max isn't it? |
| [20:19:17] | Beirdo: | unplugged the stupid non-working USB wireless stick |
| [20:19:19] | wagnerrp: | yeah, something like that |
| [20:19:19] | Beirdo: | voila |
| [20:19:30] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [20:19:38] | Beirdo: | I formatted that drive HFS? |
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| [20:19:45] | Beirdo: | gah |
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| [20:20:06] | wagnerrp: | HFS? Mac? |
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| [20:20:15] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:20:43] | Beirdo: | I used it to offload a bunch o' crap from my ex-wife's laptop... before we reimaged it |
| [20:20:53] | Beirdo: | all her boss' music, primarily |
| [20:21:05] | dewman: | fat12 |
| [20:21:07] | dewman: | hehe |
| [20:21:10] | Beirdo: | HFS |
| [20:21:17] | Beirdo: | far easier when using a Mac |
| [20:21:26] | Beirdo: | but now it's essentially read only |
| [20:21:29] | Beirdo: | which is fine |
| [20:22:22] | Beirdo: | I did half as FAT32, half HFS |
| [20:22:35] | Beirdo: | the HFS half has a vmware image of WinXP on it |
| [20:22:36] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:22:46] | Beirdo: | df |
| [20:22:52] | Beirdo: | oops wrong winder |
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| [21:04:34] | wagnerrp: | man... its contageous |
| [21:04:48] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:05:02] | Azelphur: | yawning is actually contageous :P |
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| [21:20:30] | justinh: | Ferries Buellers Day Off |
| [21:20:38] | justinh: | FERRIES?! TMDB.. GET BENT |
| [21:20:44] | [R]: | FFS |
| [21:20:48] | [R]: | what does "get bent" mena? |
| [21:20:49] | [R]: | mean* |
| [21:21:05] | justinh: | means similar to "go **** yourselves" I think |
| [21:21:08] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [21:21:28] | Beirdo: | bend over and... |
| [21:21:32] | Beirdo: | oh wait :) |
| [21:22:45] | AndyCap: | "Get bent? Well, that can only mean one thing: get bent down on your knees and pray!" |
| [21:22:48] | justinh: | yeah but come on.. FERRIES Bueller? |
| [21:23:21] | AndyCap: | justinh: maybe he was editing JFK just before Ferris Buellers day off. |
| [21:23:29] | Beirdo: | yeah, they can grab their ankles |
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| [21:37:03] | Beirdo: | ZFS really needs to be opensourced |
| [21:37:55] | [R]: | it is... |
| [21:38:25] | dustybin: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS |
| [21:38:31] | Beirdo: | pretty sure the opensource version ain't the same as what's in Sol10 |
| [21:39:10] | Beirdo: | and either way... it's not GPL-compatible |
| [21:39:13] | Beirdo: | so still useless |
| [21:39:34] | [R]: | not gpl compatible != not opensource |
| [21:39:38] | wagnerrp: | not GPL doesnt mean not opensource |
| [21:39:51] | Beirdo: | it means ! linux kernel |
| [21:40:01] | Beirdo: | and that's the important thing when using Linux |
| [21:40:12] | wagnerrp: | oh you and your linux zealots... |
| [21:40:17] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:40:33] | Beirdo: | I am considering using opensolaris for my fileserver once I get that far |
| [21:40:34] | tweek__: | if the Stallman zombies were in power in the 80's, the DVD would have never seen the light of day |
| [21:40:44] | Beirdo: | primarily for ZFS + NFS |
| [21:41:12] | Beirdo: | tweek__: whatever. Like Sony et al care what FSF thinks, etc. |
| [21:41:25] | tweek__: | if the Stallman zombies were around in the early 20th century, they'd be protesting the evil patent-encumbered lightbulb and whining about the Evil Empire's Edi$on-propagated FUD |
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| [21:41:59] | tweek__: | the problem is that they -do- have an impact on the market. hence why Mozilla refused to support H.264, and consequently why Flash isn't dead by now |
| [21:42:01] | Beirdo: | I think you are too stuck in your own mind to realize that maybe you might be wrong |
| [21:43:21] | kormoc: | Edison electrocuted elephants to try to prove Tesla wrong. I'd say that's pretty evil of him |
| [21:43:43] | tweek__: | I mean, tell me that the money ATI/AMD spent to revise, review and release specs for their video cards wouldn't have been put to better use developing their own Catalyst driver |
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| [21:44:12] | tweek__: | because if you think radeon is even close to feasible yet, three goddamned years after the fact |
| [21:44:14] | Beirdo: | they have to write specs. Live with it |
| [21:44:21] | kormoc: | Given they've spent next to nothing and haven't released anything of importance, no? |
| [21:44:22] | Beirdo: | and watch your language |
| [21:44:27] | tweek__: | maybe I'm not the one who is too stuck in their own mind to realize that maybe they're wrong |
| [21:44:33] | Beirdo: | you've been warned repeatedly |
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| [21:44:50] | kormoc: | tweek__, btw, historians Robert Friedel and Paul Israel [5] list 22 inventors of incandescent lamps prior to Joseph Wilson Swan and Thomas Edison. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incandescent_light_bulb |
| [21:44:56] | kormoc: | so yes, Edison was a pretty evil man |
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| [21:45:37] | kormoc: | tweek__, you sound really bitter as if you feel someone owes you something |
| [21:45:47] | tweek__: | I'm tired of the arrogance |
| [21:45:57] | kormoc: | arrogance? what arrogance? |
| [21:45:59] | tweek__: | EFF zealots can be like vegans sometimes |
| [21:46:11] | edman007: | Hi, so I am still trying to get the blaster on the HDPVR to work, has anyone had any success? if so what drivers/patches did you use? version numbers, etc |
| [21:46:14] | Beirdo: | and sometimes they likely ARE vegans |
| [21:46:20] | Beirdo: | there's nothing wrong with either |
| [21:46:35] | tweek__: | 'why are you still using evil proprietary software? my god you're so deluded by The Man' |
| [21:46:43] | tweek__: | and so on and so on and blah blah blah |
| [21:46:45] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: most cooks would beg to differ |
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| [21:47:22] | [R]: | edman007: it "just works" with the fedora kernel... a few months ago i used the original patches that were posted and manually compiled hdpvr and it "just worked" also |
| [21:47:27] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: heh, well... I'm not a vegan, but there's nothing wrong with it... as long as you can get all the required proteins for life |
| [21:47:31] | wagnerrp: | its extremely hard to prepare something that has never touched any animal product |
| [21:47:35] | ** Beirdo wants a steak ** | |
| [21:47:41] | kormoc: | tweek__, as a FSF member and booth operator, It's very rare to find people like that |
| [21:47:46] | tweek__: | very -rare-? |
| [21:47:51] | kormoc: | yes, very much so |
| [21:47:53] | tweek__: | my God, man, I run into them on a daily basis |
| [21:48:01] | edman007: | [R], thank you |
| [21:48:03] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:48:03] | [R]: | edman007: you can also get the fedora srpm and take the patches out of it |
| [21:48:15] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: which results in most vegans just being nothing more than superficial |
| [21:48:15] | edman007: | yea, i was looking through their patchsets |
| [21:48:30] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: granted. |
| [21:48:30] | wagnerrp: | you start tearing apart their diet and finding all sorts of things with animal products in them |
| [21:48:33] | edman007: | i'm trying it on a newer kernel, does not seem to be as compatible... |
| [21:48:38] | [R]: | wagnerrp: like latex |
| [21:48:40] | ** [R] giggles ** | |
| [21:48:40] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, meh, it's a statement of purpose rather then a purpose of statement |
| [21:48:44] | edman007: | err...patches don't apply right... |
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| [21:50:04] | edman007: | [R], what would you know...looks like the patch for the hdpvr got updated in the last 24 hours or so...now it is in the devel kernel |
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| [21:50:38] | [R]: | you still need the lirc patches from fedora most likely |
| [21:50:59] | tweek__: | I patched the latest Mercurial revision for v4l-dvb directly into the Fedora SRPM |
| [21:51:07] | tweek__: | it did nothing for me whatsoever |
| [21:51:12] | tweek__: | but maybe you might want it |
| [21:51:16] | edman007: | [R], alright.. |
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| [21:52:58] | tweek__: | speaking of which. [R], you said everything 'Just Worked' with the latest LTS release of Ubuntu? |
| [21:53:10] | tweek__: | same card, same setup, same everything basically |
| [21:54:36] | [R]: | tweek__: with the hvr1600... yup |
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| [21:55:31] | tweek__: | on my end, burned off a live CD (64-bit) to rule out configuration issues. and the same sorts of problems popped up. trying to decide whether or not actually installing it would make a difference |
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| [23:09:07] | Beirdo: | heh. LVM being a pain |
| [23:09:08] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:09:24] | Beirdo: | I have 3 VGs... 2 with 16MB extents, one with 4MB |
| [23:09:44] | Beirdo: | merged the 2... but I need to resize the extents in the third first |
| [23:10:14] | Beirdo: | but it has an odd number of extents... so... add another disk with an EVEN number... move data to it... resize... |
| [23:10:32] | Beirdo: | readd the old disk, move, resize again |
| [23:12:31] | edman007: | Beirdo, please make the kernel get updated faster |
| [23:12:46] | edman007: | HD PVR is being a pain like no other can be... |
| [23:13:18] | edman007: | i need the 2.6.35 kernel for the radeon stuff, and when i try and move the HDPVR stuff into 2.6.35 things don't work :/ |
| [23:13:29] | Beirdo: | so buy an nvidia :) |
| [23:14:01] | edman007: | Beirdo, even worse, they don't have open hardware |
| [23:14:01] | Beirdo: | betcha you'll be a lot happer with it |
| [23:14:09] | Beirdo: | who needs open hardware? |
| [23:14:15] | edman007: | no, i had a nvidia...crashed way too much |
| [23:14:39] | Beirdo: | use their provided drivers, and it's the same to you as if it was open source drivers |
| [23:14:51] | edman007: | binary blobs make things crash, its just what they do, nvidia and ati's binary blobs are the number # cause of crashes on linux, windows, and mac |
| [23:14:55] | Beirdo: | unless you are going to actually play with the source, it really makes not a bit of difference |
| [23:15:00] | edman007: | err #1 |
| [23:15:02] | tweek__: | you seriously believe radeon is worthwhile, don't you |
| [23:15:18] | tweek__: | you're like a drug dealer who is addicted on his own product |
| [23:15:25] | edman007: | tweek__, well that and fglrx won't run on my system...at all |
| [23:15:29] | Beirdo: | who are you talking to, tweek__? |
| [23:15:32] | tweek__: | you |
| [23:15:38] | Beirdo: | you are deluded |
| [23:15:49] | Beirdo: | I told him to buy nvidia. Maybe you should read |
| [23:16:28] | tweek__: | thought you were being sarcastic |
| [23:17:02] | Beirdo: | but anyways... the point remains, unless you are going to mess with the source, it makes no difference if there's binary blob or opensource code that you've never read but run anyways |
| [23:17:06] | Beirdo: | it's all black box |
| [23:17:42] | tweek__: | you'll also get a bunch of clowns in various other Freenode channels that JUMP at the chance to say 'we don't take kindly to them drivers 'round these parts' |
| [23:17:46] | xand: | I never had any problems with nvidia's drivers on linux |
| [23:18:10] | Beirdo: | and I've seen opensource drivers crash Linux FAR more than binary ones... because most users don't even touch source, but treat them the same anyways |
| [23:18:16] | tweek__: | of course, you use nouveau / radeon, they don't really have much to offer in terms of support except for 'here's how to tell X.org to find it' |
| [23:19:12] | edman007: | meh, i do submit useful backtraces when i get it and in general help improve the drivers, and i will go into the source if i have to |
| [23:19:23] | Beirdo: | yeah, of course, I'd rather see drivers be opensource, but in the end, unless I'm actually code reviewing them before use, what difference does it really make? |
| [23:20:11] | Beirdo: | the problem with many PCI-type drivers is... if there's a bug, it's liable to hard-lock or reboot the system, and there is no backtrace to be had |
| [23:21:18] | edman007: | Beirdo, for the radeon guys I did do a serial console boot to track down a bug |
| [23:21:37] | Beirdo: | good :) |
| [23:21:47] | tweek__: | aren't there ways to debug the kernel remotely using an extra machine? |
| [23:21:52] | Beirdo: | your persistence is laudable |
| [23:22:03] | edman007: | tweek__, yup |
| [23:22:38] | edman007: | firewire does DMA transfers, so gdb can run over firewire and debug a kernel |
| [23:22:45] | Beirdo: | good luck debugging a locked PCI bus. |
| [23:22:51] | tweek__: | when I was writing USB drivers the backtrace dumped in dmesg (right before everything went to hell) was usually enough |
| [23:22:55] | sphery: | kormoc: (or anyone else) Do you know any way of determining the row size in bytes for a MySQL row? Though varchar has a max size of 65535 chars, the maximum row size in MySQL's internal representation is 65535 bytes (where--now that we're using UTF-8--our strings may be up to 3 bytes per char). Basically, I need to see just how far we are from that row size limit so we can decide on an appropriate column length for the ... |
| [23:23:01] | sphery: | ... formerly-text-soon-to-be-varchar columns. All I see is some hacky Perl scripts at http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/storage-requirements.html . |
| [23:23:13] | Beirdo: | and I've written drivers that locked the PCI bus (bad PCI bridge documentation) |
| [23:23:22] | edman007: | and then serial is really simple, so it is usually ok when your USB or video goes due to one of the many subsystems they rely on |
| [23:23:50] | sphery: | Beirdo: did you hang a "Bus not in service" sign on the window? |
| [23:23:55] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:24:15] | Beirdo: | no, I just pounded on the keyboard and waited for the fsck to finish :) |
| [23:24:22] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:24:26] | Beirdo: | repeat about 20 times a day for 3 weeks |
| [23:24:34] | edman007: | blame the docs |
| [23:24:44] | edman007: | you should just read the headers |
| [23:24:46] | Beirdo: | it was Intel's crappy docs |
| [23:24:52] | Beirdo: | what headers? |
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| [23:25:11] | edman007: | Beirdo, you should write some ;) |
| [23:25:24] | Beirdo: | I was writing a driver for a device not supported in Linux... which was on a board with an IXP1200 on it |
| [23:25:51] | Beirdo: | the bridge was VERY non-standard, and the stupid docs for it were incorrect... in many places |
| [23:25:52] | sphery: | seriously-hacky perl scripts |
| [23:26:28] | tweek__: | ever see the speech 'Making hardware manufacturers love open-source'? |
| [23:26:44] | Beirdo: | no, that would be one I would definitely skip |
| [23:27:08] | edman007: | Beirdo, sometimes authors insert errors into their work in order to prevent their opponents from using it... |
| [23:27:10] | tweek__: | it's by the lead guy hired by Intel to write drivers for them |
| [23:27:28] | Beirdo: | edman007: we weren't opponents, we were clients... |
| [23:27:39] | tweek__: | and he goes into vivid detail about why specs are so messe dup |
| [23:27:46] | edman007: | Beirdo, so you thought |
| [23:27:50] | Beirdo: | and they had laid off that entire department, so there was nobody at Intel to call |
| [23:28:18] | kormoc: | sphery, if it's a fixed width table, show table status will show it, if it's variable, well, it's variable |
| [23:28:48] | kormoc: | sphery, so yeah, short of just calculating it by hand for the variable tables, there's no good way |
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| [23:29:21] | tweek__: | it's not all that preachy, but he goes through all the nonsense he had to do to get Intel wireless drivers to be open-source while still following FCC guidelines |
| [23:29:25] | Beirdo: | BTW, I got it working by systematically ignoring parts of the spec assuming they were incorrect. Once I got the right combination of borked spec details, voila, it worked |
| [23:30:16] | Beirdo: | it was like 10 variables to tweak. a lot of combinations... |
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| [23:31:29] | sphery: | kormoc: cool... the perl script is a hack, but it seems to work |
| [23:31:32] | sphery: | I'll use it |
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| [23:32:46] | sphery: | btw, we have tons of room--no worries there ;) |
| [23:39:34] | sphery: | kormoc: so 4000 exactly is the length where it splits the data into a 768-byte chunk and stores the rest out-of-page? I'm assuming that means >4000 bytes, too--meaning we should limit our length to 1332 max for the 3-byte char users. |
| [23:41:03] | kormoc: | half of a 8k page, so 4096 bytes and greater aye |
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| [23:41:43] | sphery: | kormoc: ah, cool |
| [23:42:23] | sphery: | So max of 1364 chars, then |
| [23:42:37] | Beirdo: | that's still a reasonably long show description |
| [23:42:51] | sphery: | times 3 gives 4092 bytes, then we have +2 for MySQL varchars > 255 chars |
| [23:43:00] | sphery: | meaning that would take us to 4094 bytes |
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| [23:43:05] | sphery: | yeah, should be plenty for everything |
| [23:43:37] | highzeth: | tweek__: got a link to that speech? =) |
| [23:43:48] | kormoc: | even if we decide to go longer, it only affects the rows that are larger then that, so it's still less rows being affected then the >768 text split |
| [23:45:11] | tweek__: | can't find the full one-hour video, but I downloaded it a while back |
| [23:45:19] | tweek__: | here's a summary article: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/16376/1090/ |
| [23:45:57] | highzeth: | thx |
| [23:46:31] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, I don't really see a reason to use > 1364. But if we did and some users' rows go longer would that mean that some users would get on-disk temp tables and others don't? |
| [23:47:03] | kormoc: | In this case that more depends on their db settings |
| [23:47:13] | kormoc: | so this is purely if the data gets split into multiple pages or not |
| [23:47:25] | sphery: | ok |
| [23:47:28] | kormoc: | once it's varchar it won't be required to be a on disk temp table |
| [23:47:44] | sphery: | and it's faster if it's not split, right? |
| [23:48:09] | kormoc: | from that point on it's if the temp table grows beyond tmp_table_size && max_heap_table_size |
| [23:48:11] | kormoc: | Yeah |
| [23:48:40] | sphery: | so is the "faster" an all-or-nothing thing? i.e. once a single row splits, it's slow, again? |
| [23:48:45] | kormoc: | overflow pages are at the end of the data blocks, so to get a bunch of rows that are split, it goes to the row, reads the first bit, seeks out a few K, reads the rest and then has to seek back to the row to read the rest of the row |
| [23:48:51] | kormoc: | only for that row |
| [23:49:05] | sphery: | ok |
| [23:49:10] | sphery: | so it wouldn't matter much |
| [23:49:14] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [23:49:28] | kormoc: | it's nice but all in all, the text to varchar is a much bigger boost |
| [23:49:43] | sphery: | and that 4096 bytes is field length, not row length, right? |
| [23:49:47] | kormoc: | right |
| [23:49:50] | sphery: | great |
| [23:50:06] | sphery: | so reasoning for the change is basically "makes it faster"? |
| [23:50:08] | sphery: | any others? |
| [23:50:27] | sphery: | more efficient storage (didn't your on-disk size drop significantly)? |
| [23:50:54] | kormoc: | that was playing with innodb compression in the barracuda file format, so not this change :) |
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| [23:51:00] | sphery: | ah, ok |
| [23:51:23] | sphery: | Now wouldn't you, Barracuda? |
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| [23:52:10] | tzanger: | come on you know we should port it over to sql server |
| [23:52:20] | kormoc: | I imagine it'll be much nicer on the slow-io systems, like my mac mini and other mini-itx/atx, atoms, netbooks, etc |
| [23:52:21] | sphery: | heh :) |
| [23:52:38] | sphery: | what system did you use for the 12sec->9sec test? |
| [23:52:41] | kormoc: | but hey, less disk thrash is always good imho |
| [23:52:49] | kormoc: | sphery, Mac mini, early 2009 model |
| [23:53:24] | kormoc: | core2duo 2 ghz, 4 gigs of ram, 5400 2.5" sata disk |
| [23:57:21] | sphery: | kormoc: set tmpdir=/dev/shm in mysql client? |
| [23:58:20] | kormoc: | in my.cnf under [mysqld] or similar and restart the database |
| [23:58:35] | highzeth: | tweek__: http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/ . . . mel8-094.ogg =) |
| [23:59:08] | sphery: | kormoc: cool, figured it wasn't an env var since it was lower-case :) |
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