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| [00:40:13] | Beirdo: | !seen Torq |
| [00:40:15] | MythLogBot: | Torq was last seen 1528 days 17 hours 8 minutes 36 seconds ago |
| [00:40:18] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [00:42:08] | wagnerrp: | did you make up that entry? |
| [00:42:16] | Beirdo: | no, I did not |
| [00:42:28] | ** wagnerrp debates '/nick Torq' ** | |
| [00:42:36] | Beirdo: | !seen man_in_shqck |
| [00:42:36] | MythLogBot: | man_in_shqck has not been seen here |
| [00:42:39] | Beirdo: | !seen man_in_shack |
| [00:42:39] | MythLogBot: | man_in_shack was last seen 1857 days 8 hours 13 minutes 39 seconds ago |
| [00:42:43] | Beirdo: | even better |
| [00:43:12] | wagnerrp: | im sure you could come up with an sql query to give you the age of everyone sequentially |
| [00:43:22] | Beirdo: | easy |
| [00:43:42] | Beirdo: | select * from nicks order by lastseen ASC; |
| [00:43:56] | wagnerrp: | would probably want distinct |
| [00:43:59] | Beirdo: | nope |
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| [00:44:05] | Beirdo: | it's always distinct |
| [00:44:27] | Beirdo: | tis a primary key on nick |
| [00:44:36] | Beirdo: | well, chanid + nick |
| [00:46:44] | Beirdo: | BTW, cardinality on nick... 26405 |
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| [01:22:40] | GreyFoxx: | http://pastebin.ca/1878793 – Anyone else run into that ? |
| [01:24:27] | wagnerrp: | what is your './configure' line? |
| [01:24:52] | wagnerrp: | tsk tsk... both channels at once? |
| [01:25:06] | GreyFoxx: | I meant it to go to #mythtv , not here :) |
| [01:25:09] | GreyFoxx: | http://pastebin.ca/1878795 |
| [01:25:29] | GreyFoxx: | just updated about 5 hours ago |
| [01:26:13] | wagnerrp: | i dont see anything 'bad', maybe that --compile-type |
| [01:26:41] | wagnerrp: | but i used to have problems with the gentoo ebuilds on 32-bit systems setting bad --arch targets |
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| [02:30:03] | AYarter: | I just got mythplugins enabled, but I'm not getting any sound. mplayer on its own works fine. Am I missing something? |
| [02:36:04] | wagnerrp: | what specifically doesnt have sound? |
| [02:38:04] | AYarter: | avi file, with an mp3 sound rack |
| [02:38:15] | wagnerrp: | so... mythvideo, with the Internal player |
| [02:38:24] | AYarter: | Yeah |
| [02:39:49] | AYarter: | I thought that mythtvs internal player was mplayer.... |
| [02:40:03] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [02:40:16] | AYarter: | Gotcha. Its ffmpeg |
| [02:40:18] | AYarter: | yeah? |
| [02:40:19] | wagnerrp: | it uses ffmpeg, as mplayer does |
| [02:40:25] | wagnerrp: | but is not mplayer |
| [02:41:31] | AYarter: | gotcha. so I should change the player |
| [02:42:10] | wagnerrp: | do you currently have mythvideo set to use mplayer? |
| [02:42:28] | AYarter: | nope. Its all set to internal player |
| [02:44:17] | AYarter: | The machine's using alsa. Is there a way to set that up? |
| [02:44:41] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will default to using the default ALSA output |
| [02:45:07] | AYarter: | -=sigh=- I see. Well, it doesn't seem to be doing that |
| [02:45:31] | AYarter: | because I know alsa is working. |
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| [02:48:36] | AYarter: | is there a place I can explicitly set my output device? |
| [02:48:55] | wagnerrp: | frontend general setup |
| [02:51:59] | AYarter: | How did I miss that? Its null. lol |
| [02:52:00] | Beirdo: | dangit |
| [02:52:16] | Beirdo: | just effectively pepper-sprayed myself... again |
| [02:52:24] | Beirdo: | you'd think I'd learn |
| [02:54:48] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | How did you do that? |
| [02:55:38] | wagnerrp: | jalepenos are not for ocular intake |
| [02:56:05] | Beirdo: | didn't wash my hands well enough after using cayenne pepper |
| [02:56:06] | wagnerrp: | no matter how hard you try, you will never be able to shove them down your tear ducts |
| [02:56:16] | Beirdo: | 50k scoville cayenne |
| [02:56:35] | Beirdo: | so now one eye is burning like heck |
| [02:56:37] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [02:56:46] | Beirdo: | again |
| [02:56:55] | Beirdo: | I did the same thing a couple days back |
| [02:57:19] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Sounds painful |
| [02:57:56] | Beirdo: | yup. and stupid |
| [02:58:11] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | We all do stupid things. |
| [02:58:21] | AYarter: | well, its set to null, but changing it doesn't do much. When I run aplay -l I get card 0: SI7012 [SiS SI7012], device 0: Intel ICH [SiS SI7012] |
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| [02:59:49] | wagnerrp: | AYarter: mythtv does auto-detection of the available ALSA outputs |
| [03:00:00] | wagnerrp: | if you are using 'NULL', its because it cant find anything else |
| [03:00:08] | AYarter: | I see. Doesn't seem to be detecting anything :) |
| [03:00:24] | AYarter: | so wierd though, since aplay -L lists tons of possible devices |
| [03:01:48] | Beirdo: | ok, I overdid the cayenne in the soup too |
| [03:02:00] | sphery: | only does autodetection in trunk |
| [03:02:03] | Beirdo: | but I love the flavor |
| [03:02:06] | sphery: | in 0.23-fixes, you have to type it in |
| [03:02:18] | sphery: | or select one of the pre-populated ones |
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| [03:02:46] | Beirdo: | this will clean the sinuses out so fast |
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| [03:04:06] | wagnerrp: | my idea of 'good spicy' is 3–6k units |
| [03:04:29] | AYarter: | well, sphery: Only in svn? |
| [03:04:44] | Beirdo: | this is considerably above that :) |
| [03:04:47] | wagnerrp: | ive had a basket of 30k wings, and they really werent that hot, they just tasted bad |
| [03:04:51] | Beirdo: | but tastes so good |
| [03:05:06] | wagnerrp: | i had a single 150k wing once |
| [03:05:07] | Beirdo: | I love the taste of cayenne. Always have |
| [03:05:20] | AYarter: | are you talking about Scoville units? |
| [03:05:20] | Beirdo: | I coulda bought 100k cayenne |
| [03:05:23] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [03:05:27] | wagnerrp: | must have numbed by mouth, because it wasnt hot |
| [03:05:35] | AYarter: | I have some sauce that's 320,000 |
| [03:05:38] | AYarter: | Its pretty gnarly |
| [03:05:38] | wagnerrp: | but i was involuntarily tearing up |
| [03:05:41] | Beirdo: | but I went "midrange" as they had 30k, 50k, 100k |
| [03:05:45] | wagnerrp: | i couldnt stop it |
| [03:05:51] | wagnerrp: | that, plus my fingers ached |
| [03:05:53] | Lexridge: | hey guys, howya doing? I have a compile problem with mythplugins v.23. Anyone care to look at this? http://pastebin.ca/1878821 |
| [03:05:59] | Beirdo: | aren't endorphins cool? |
| [03:06:07] | Lexridge: | compiling it, of course. |
| [03:06:50] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: looks like a version mismatch |
| [03:06:56] | Beirdo: | I think I must have cajun somewhere in my bloodline |
| [03:07:12] | wagnerrp: | compiling against the wrong installed headers |
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| [03:07:30] | Lexridge: | Headers for what? QT or ?? |
| [03:07:42] | Lexridge: | what line gives you this hint? |
| [03:07:45] | wagnerrp: | mythui looks like |
| [03:08:04] | wagnerrp: | kEventType, should be some static DEFINE |
| [03:08:20] | wagnerrp: | it should never exist in the code |
| [03:08:28] | sphery: | you need to uninstall your mythtv 0.22 before compiling/installing 0.23 stuff |
| [03:08:30] | wagnerrp: | the preprocessor should replace it before you compile |
| [03:09:08] | Lexridge: | sphery, so it's pulling from the headers of my installed 0.22 version? |
| [03:09:25] | wagnerrp: | thats my guess |
| [03:09:39] | AYarter: | sphery amd wagnerpp:thanks for your help |
| [03:09:45] | AYarter: | I'll try trunk then |
| [03:09:46] | Lexridge: | I'm not sure what you are saying wagnerrp. |
| [03:10:02] | Lexridge: | the preprocessor replaces what? the 0.22 headers? |
| [03:10:04] | sphery: | Lexridge: it will use system headers |
| [03:10:10] | wagnerrp: | my saying the compiler is complaining that 'kEventType' does not exist |
| [03:10:20] | wagnerrp: | while 'kEventType' should never exist |
| [03:10:26] | Lexridge: | oh |
| [03:10:33] | sphery: | but, considering you /must/ install mythtv before you compile mythplugins, you should have gotten rid of 0.22 stuff already |
| [03:10:42] | wagnerrp: | it should be replaced in the code by the preprocessor before it even gets to the compile |
| [03:10:57] | sphery: | AYarter: don't upgrade to trunk just because you don't have audio device auto-detection |
| [03:11:11] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: what do you think is preventing that from happening, then? |
| [03:11:26] | sphery: | AYarter: if you run trunk, you need to subscribe to and follow (reading/paying attention to) mythtv-dev and mythtv-commits mailing lists... |
| [03:11:43] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: the header files its pulling in do not match the code |
| [03:11:48] | AYarter: | spheyr: I've tried everything listed in aplay -L, nothing works |
| [03:11:48] | Beirdo: | sphery: ain't that the truth |
| [03:11:51] | sphery: | it's a lot of work to keep up on trunk |
| [03:12:01] | wagnerrp: | they are either too old or too new for your checkout |
| [03:12:19] | Lexridge: | so perhaps a simple uninstall of .22 will take care of it. Damn, I didnt want to have to do that. |
| [03:12:27] | Lexridge: | but if I must, then I must |
| [03:12:39] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt have 0.22 installed anyway |
| [03:12:44] | sphery: | Lexridge: yes, uninstall 0.22, then compile/install mythtv 0.23, then compile mythplugins 0.23 |
| [03:12:52] | wagnerrp: | its a PITA to have more than one install of mythtv on a system at once |
| [03:13:02] | sphery: | note you must install mythtv 0.23 before compiling mythplugins |
| [03:13:14] | Lexridge: | oh, that is my mistake!!!!! I forgot to install MythTV before compiling the plugins!! DOH! |
| [03:13:33] | Lexridge: | MythTV 0.23 that is |
| [03:13:44] | sphery: | AYarter: your issue is likely with your ALSA configuration. I'm guessing you have a setup that will only play 48kHz audio and your video has 32kHz or 44.1kHz audio |
| [03:14:01] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no, mythtv is not detecting any of his outputs |
| [03:14:05] | sphery: | you probably need to fix it in your ALSA configuration |
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| [03:14:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but only trunk does auto detection |
| [03:14:20] | Lexridge: | thanks wagnerrp and sphery I will try again. |
| [03:14:22] | wagnerrp: | oh? i thought that got added for 0.23 |
| [03:14:32] | sphery: | no, went in right after 0.23 |
| [03:14:38] | AYarter: | sphery: the video is at 48k, and mplayer plays it just fine through alsa |
| [03:14:44] | wagnerrp: | why would 'ALSA: null' even be an option? |
| [03:14:53] | sphery: | mplayer != mythtv :) |
| [03:15:01] | AYarter: | wagner:It just said NULL when I went in |
| [03:15:13] | sphery: | so you can verify video configuration and determine that audio is in fact what's breaking your playback |
| [03:15:18] | wagnerrp: | still, why would that even be an option |
| [03:15:20] | AYarter: | I'm about ready to, but I really like thre pretty interface of the internal player |
| [03:15:24] | AYarter: | wagner:I have no idea. |
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| [03:15:40] | wagnerrp: | prior to... trunk i guess, that was just a static list of probable outputs |
| [03:16:07] | wagnerrp: | if you had 'NULL', would that indicate database corruption? |
| [03:16:32] | AYarter: | configure indicates that its building with oss and alsa |
| [03:17:20] | AYarter: | I wonder if I should disable OSS or just install jack |
| [03:18:25] | AYarter: | sphery:allright... I could try it. But would installing jack just be easier? |
| [03:18:59] | sphery: | AYarter: It may be something else, then |
| [03:19:12] | AYarter: | sphery:Works fine with mplayer |
| [03:19:29] | sphery: | audio is very hard to configure properly--alsa is an ugly chore |
| [03:19:38] | AYarter: | I guess I'll recompile with jack support maybe? |
| [03:21:28] | AYarter: | sphery: http://pastebin.com/3vYcw8s3 |
| [03:21:32] | AYarter: | That's my aplay -L output |
| [03:22:32] | wagnerrp: | try ALSA:default |
| [03:22:47] | sphery: | for both Audio output device and Mixer device |
| [03:22:47] | AYarter: | Did that, quiet as a whistle. |
| [03:22:57] | Beirdo: | whistles are pretty loud |
| [03:23:15] | ** Beirdo is a fire-breathing dragon ** | |
| [03:23:16] | wagnerrp: | try playing something using that output device |
| [03:23:18] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:23:20] | AYarter: | haha. Well, if I compile with jack and ALSA support, would it hurt anything? |
| [03:23:23] | wagnerrp: | and then check the volume level in alsamixer |
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| [03:29:19] | AYarter: | alsamixer is good |
| [03:29:39] | AYarter: | ALSA:default didn't work. Maybe ALSA:front? |
| [03:32:52] | sphery: | make sure you don't have an /etc/asound.conf and ~/.asoundrc , and if you do, move them, then restart mythfrontend |
| [03:37:02] | sphery: | AYarter: also, if you still don't have sound, pastebin a frontend log |
| [03:45:12] | AYarter: | will do. I'm recompiling now, so itll be a minute |
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| [03:45:15] | AYarter: | Thanks so much guys! |
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| [05:23:08] | DHR: | My analog recordings don't look good to ffmpeg. I get the message ffmpeg -i says: Seems stream 0 codec frame rate differs from container frame ate: 59.94 (60000/1001) -> 29.97 (30000/1001) |
| [05:23:37] | [R]: | DHR: wha kind of tuner do you have? |
| [05:23:53] | DHR: | Hauppauge HVR-1600 |
| [05:24:07] | [R]: | thats got an mpeg encoder |
| [05:24:11] | DHR: | yes |
| [05:24:17] | [R]: | myth isn't encoding it |
| [05:24:27] | DHR: | I don't know what software is setting the container frame rate. |
| [05:24:39] | [R]: | myth is just dumping whatever the card is putting out |
| [05:24:55] | DHR: | I don't imagine the hardware is doing the container. But that's just guesswork. |
| [05:25:04] | [R]: | the card puts out mpeg |
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| [05:25:09] | [R]: | a full ts mpeg |
| [05:25:19] | DHR: | Interesting. |
| [05:25:23] | [R]: | there is the recording profiles |
| [05:25:30] | [R]: | you could try looking through thtere |
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| [05:25:53] | wagnerrp: | do you actually have trouble playing back these files? |
| [05:26:08] | wagnerrp: | or is that just some innocuous warning that youre concerned about? |
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| [05:26:32] | DHR: | no trouble with MythTV playing it. I do have trouble with a bunch of other things playing them eg wdtv-live. |
| [05:26:57] | wagnerrp: | they may just not like mpeg2 audio |
| [05:27:31] | wagnerrp: | or they may want a PS rather than a TS |
| [05:29:04] | DHR: | The wdtv-live's diagnostics are very limited. It just says (effectively) "I don't like this". Hard to debug. |
| [05:29:51] | justinh: | ahh good ole 'universal' plug & pray |
| [05:31:08] | DHR: | is there a good source for understanding the MPEG-2 standard? The standards themselves are expensive (ISO is like that) and probably very hard to read. |
| [05:32:02] | justinh: | broadcasters can put any kind of junk they want inside streams which'll be fine for their own platform but not standards compliant |
| [05:32:14] | justinh: | lots of countries/broadcasters have their own little kinks |
| [05:32:35] | justinh: | so there's little point reading up about the 'standard' |
| [05:32:41] | DHR: | my broadcasters are sending analog and the HVR-1600 is then encoding it. |
| [05:33:27] | justinh: | well, try taking a recording & making it into a PS then see if the stupidnetworkmediatank likes it |
| [05:34:48] | DHR: | do I use mythtranscode for that? |
| [05:35:01] | justinh: | I wouldn't |
| [05:35:18] | DHR: | what would you recommend? |
| [05:35:43] | justinh: | probably ffmpeg, but I'm out of sync with their commandlines |
| [05:36:05] | [R]: | you can tell it to do a PS in the recording profiles |
| [05:36:13] | DHR: | hey, we're back to the start: ffmpeg isn't really happy with the recording. |
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| [05:36:35] | justinh: | so how come myth IS happy with the recording? mythtv uses ffmpeg |
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| [05:37:30] | DHR: | well ffmpeg sees the contradictory headers and ignores one, I guess. Perhaps it ignores the incorrect one. |
| [05:37:49] | DHR: | Does mythtv playback use ffmpeg? |
| [05:38:00] | justinh: | yes |
| [05:38:06] | justinh: | it's all based on ffmpeg |
| [05:38:33] | DHR: | even when using the nVidia acceleration (vpau or something like that)? |
| [05:38:55] | justinh: | ffmpeg isn't used then. why would it be? |
| [05:39:14] | justinh: | all myth does then is stuff the stream up the pipe to the graphics card :) |
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| [05:39:45] | justinh: | though it might be demuxing it first.. not sure |
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| [05:40:00] | justinh: | anyway if you use VDPAU you're using VDPAU for video decoding not ffmpeg :) |
| [05:40:01] | DHR: | that's the playback that is working. (and xmbc on Apple TV, but not 100% on xbmc on Linux) |
| [05:40:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah, pretty sure it just sends the raw video stream to the video card |
| [05:40:39] | justinh: | xbmc == xbmc == xbmc == xbmc |
| [05:40:41] | wagnerrp: | DHR: you just like causing yourself all sorts of pain dont you? |
| [05:41:12] | DHR: | not my aim, but I do manage to accomplish it. |
| [05:41:27] | DHR: | See, for example http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /288527.html |
| [05:41:29] | justinh: | one source of that pain is those four letters right there |
| [05:41:35] | wagnerrp: | the appletv is about as good a frontend as the WDTV |
| [05:41:40] | wagnerrp: | (read: awful) |
| [05:41:55] | justinh: | mmmm. AwfulTV |
| [05:42:37] | wagnerrp: | and that holds true if youre trying to run mythtv or xbmc on it |
| [05:42:40] | DHR: | I like the ATV, in its limited way. It can work as a FE for my two MythTV BEs, even though they are running different version of Myth |
| [05:42:41] | justinh: | $200 for a cute little box that can juuuust about play standard def TV |
| [05:42:55] | wagnerrp: | its only marginally better than trying to run either of those programs on an xbox |
| [05:43:32] | justinh: | DHR: well, since you bought the ATV you *have* to like it! |
| [05:43:38] | DHR: | I happen to have it attached to an SD TV, playing SD recordings. |
| [05:43:45] | justinh: | there's no guilt for apple fans. No guilt I tell you! |
| [05:43:54] | wagnerrp: | and only SD recordings |
| [05:43:57] | DHR: | I'm no apple fan. |
| [05:44:14] | wagnerrp: | it will choke hard if you try to play anything HD off that HVR-1600 |
| [05:44:21] | DHR: | All HD available to me is encrypted (hence not actually available). |
| [05:44:30] | justinh: | I can't fathom how anybody would look at the appletv & think "ooo, I need one of them" |
| [05:44:43] | wagnerrp: | canada with no local broadcast stations? |
| [05:44:47] | DHR: | yes |
| [05:45:13] | DHR: | (I'm in a valley so local broadcast signals don't reach.) |
| [05:45:21] | i_is_cat: | i live in canada.. stupid tv stations |
| [05:45:39] | justinh: | when you think that for less money than the appletv costs you can buy something nvidia ion-ish ... :D |
| [05:45:50] | i_is_cat: | i curse them and the horse they rode in on and apple sucks too :/ |
| [05:46:11] | DHR: | Stupid CRTC. FCC mandates local broadcasts be carried in clear by cable. Not CRTC. |
| [05:46:29] | DHR: | I have an Acer Revo too. On my HD TV. |
| [05:47:41] | DHR: | I bought ATV long ago, hoping to run MythTV FE. But that wasn't really supported (it was built and distributed but not maintained). xbmc made the ATV actually useful. |
| [05:48:10] | DHR: | ATV was a pretty cheap almost-PC. The "almost" was annoying. |
| [05:48:25] | justinh: | the "almost" is what I'd call a deal breaker |
| [05:48:34] | wagnerrp: | im surprised xbmc runs well on the ATV either, considering its lack of hardware opengl |
| [05:48:37] | i_is_cat: | i ran a frontend on my hp mini 110 netbook |
| [05:48:43] | i_is_cat: | it runs pretty well |
| [05:49:10] | justinh: | I ran a frontend on a STB form factor machine with 128MB RAM & 733Mhz Celery CPU. It ran OK |
| [05:49:22] | justinh: | but I wouldn't make a habit of it |
| [05:49:30] | DHR: | I spent the same (C$220is) for the ATV and the Revo. |
| [05:49:32] | wagnerrp: | sounds like a beefed up xbox |
| [05:50:17] | i_is_cat: | mmmmm beef |
| [05:50:29] | justinh: | it was actually faily cool for SDTV. Marketed by T-Mobile (t-online) as a thingy for accessing part of a 'triple play' package |
| [05:50:34] | i_is_cat: | i would rather have beef than the xbox i have.. |
| [05:50:57] | justinh: | came with windowsCE on an IDE flash effort.. eminently 'hackable' |
| [05:51:19] | DHR: | The ATV mostly replaces a Dell GX115 SFF (p3 833?) running MythTV FE. The ATV is way quieter. |
| [05:51:37] | justinh: | there's no disputing the ATV is kinda cute |
| [05:51:45] | justinh: | but so is a mac mini |
| [05:51:55] | i_is_cat: | so is an artigo |
| [05:52:03] | DHR: | Mac Mini is 3x the cost. |
| [05:52:12] | ** justinh laughs ** | |
| [05:52:15] | justinh: | artigo? :-O |
| [05:52:18] | wagnerrp: | and 5x the performance |
| [05:52:22] | justinh: | FUGLEEEE! |
| [05:52:26] | wagnerrp: | plus real graphics |
| [05:52:41] | wagnerrp: | eew... VIA |
| [05:52:47] | DHR: | ATV has some ATI chip in it. |
| [05:53:14] | i_is_cat: | lol i think the artigo looks better than anything apple produces |
| [05:53:22] | justinh: | i_is_cat: no, the artigo is a box made of bent tin with holes in most sides. Fug-er-leee! |
| [05:53:34] | justinh: | no curves. blech |
| [05:53:39] | i_is_cat: | at least its not held together with plastic clips |
| [05:53:49] | wagnerrp: | most things apple produces would look better spray painted black |
| [05:53:56] | ** wagnerrp is not a fan of glossy white ** | |
| [05:54:04] | ** justinh is not a fan of glossy anything ** | |
| [05:54:25] | i_is_cat: | glossy white that turns yellow... |
| [05:54:42] | DHR: | ATV looks better than GX115. For one thing, it is a lot smaller. |
| [05:54:59] | justinh: | grrr. who do I have to rape to get my domain's IPS tag changed? Think I'll have to grease nominet's palm |
| [05:55:19] | kormoc: | I like the silver + black combo |
| [05:55:31] | kormoc: | not overly a fan of the white top on the mac mini, but the form factor is so nice |
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| [05:56:13] | justinh: | I think whatever form my next frontend takes it'll mostly be unseen anyway |
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| [05:56:58] | justinh: | same as my AV receiver, cable box... |
| [05:57:47] | DHR: | Revo can be screwed onto the back of a computer monitor (VESA mounting) but not, I found, onto the back of a TV (different mounting standard it seems). |
| [05:58:07] | wagnerrp: | its all VESA |
| [05:58:15] | wagnerrp: | there are just several different mounting sizes |
| [05:58:48] | justinh: | sounds like you need to buy the "optional adapter plate – $150" |
| [05:58:51] | wagnerrp: | the different sizes are intended to fit different sizes (and weights) of TVs, not for strapping a computer onto the back |
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| [06:02:26] | DHR: | well, mine came with a mounting thingee (not exactly a plate, sort of a holster). It must be MIS-D 75 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Display_Mounting_Interface |
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| [06:04:42] | DHR: | Anyway, the Revo looks like a good FE. I had hoped that the cheap, small, and low power WDTV Live could do the job. Not yet. |
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| [06:06:49] | DHR: | just to clarify: I'm not an Apple fanboy. My previous Apple purchase was a used Mac+ almost 25 years ago. |
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| [06:07:45] | DHR: | I think that I'd like Apple stuff at half price. |
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| [06:09:12] | DHR: | Does anyone have a good pointer to (free) reference material on MPEG-2? |
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| [06:16:33] | kormoc: | There, mythweb should feel faster |
| [06:17:51] | dsfwea23: | can anyone tell me what ubuntu package jamu should be included with? |
| [06:25:15] | [R]: | dsfwea23: mythvideo |
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| [06:26:42] | dsfwea23: | [R], thank you |
| [06:34:30] | dsfwea23: | is it possible to have jamu run and update all my SG1 dvds that are .iso files? Not sure how myth would handle them since each disc has 3–4 episodes. |
| [06:38:33] | [R]: | jamu works on metadata |
| [06:38:36] | [R]: | so if you find metadata for it |
| [06:38:48] | [R]: | and jamu supports the source |
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| [06:40:02] | dsfwea23: | I found metadata on the tvdb, should that work? |
| [06:40:36] | [R]: | you found metadata for individual episodes |
| [06:40:50] | [R]: | jamu gets metadata for files |
| [06:40:59] | dsfwea23: | oh, no, just the series data |
| [06:41:29] | dsfwea23: | I'd be happy of all the disks showed as SG1 series X with the same image/fanart/etc. |
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| [06:42:14] | dsfwea23: | would rather not have to re-rip all 60 DVDs to individual files unless that's the only way. |
| [06:44:58] | [R]: | you an manually do it... |
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| [06:51:43] | justinh: | DHR: google knows |
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| [08:06:04] | justinh: | ruh? this can't be a good idea. trying to secure mythweb using the digest method & as suggested put the htdigest file in /var/www and uncommented the relevant section in mythweb.conf (in sites-enabled/) – which works to authenticate the /mythweb/ dir .. but I can look at the htdigest file.. that can't be healthy |
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| [08:10:11] | justinh: | okees then. renamed /var/www/htdigest to /var/www/.htdigest & changed the conf file accordingly. Now still needing authentication to see mythweb but the server isn't allowing me to see the .htdigest file :-) |
| [08:10:34] | justinh: | surely it'd be a better idea to change the htdigest to .htdigest in the docs & in the default config file |
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| [09:18:38] | justinh: | hmmm. if I install a squeeplayer on my livingroom frontend I could maybe use events to stop/fade down music when playback starts |
| [09:19:14] | justinh: | but even cooler would be a native squeeplayer plugin for mythtv |
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| [09:27:39] | justinh: | hahaha I forgot there already was one.. 3rd party unofficial |
| [09:29:59] | justinh: | wonder how much work it'd take to get it into a state where it could be considered for proper inclusion |
| [09:33:06] | justinh: | hrm. seems it'd be possible to also make a squeezebox 'plugin' to control mythtv |
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| [09:38:28] | JonasNZ: | hey guys, a question probably not quite directly related to mythtv but nonetheless, I have a headless box with a firewire cable tuner connected to it. I want to be able to watch tv off it over a network, any suggestions. I know mythtv can do it, but i'd prefer to have the stream being broadcast as something i can open in players on mac and windows aswell |
| [09:40:25] | justinh: | JonasNZ: you can't do that |
| [09:40:29] | justinh: | not with mythtv anyway |
| [09:40:58] | JonasNZ: | justinh, i thought myth has the support for firewire cable tuners? |
| [09:41:27] | justinh: | yeah it has, but your talk of 'broadcasting' it over the network isn't possible with mythtv |
| [09:42:34] | JonasNZ: | can't i run the backend on one box and the frontend on another? |
| [09:42:42] | justinh: | yes but there's no 'broadcast' |
| [09:43:19] | justinh: | in 'watch tv' a frontend instigates an instant recording from a tuner on the backend |
| [09:43:31] | justinh: | other frontends can only then watch the in-progress recording |
| [09:44:28] | JonasNZ: | right ok, well is there some way i could set mythtv up to record the file to stdout or something? is there a process underlying mythtv that does the actual capture? |
| [09:44:36] | justinh: | sigh |
| [09:44:42] | justinh: | you cannot do what you want to do with mythtv |
| [09:44:45] | justinh: | I told you already |
| [09:44:55] | justinh: | what I've said so far is the way mythtv operates. take it or leave it |
| [09:46:30] | JonasNZ: | I understand that, let me rephrase my question, do you know what inside mythtv grabs the tv from the firewire bus and writes it to file? |
| [09:46:44] | justinh: | yes. mythtv's recorder classes |
| [09:47:00] | justinh: | and hacking those up won't be easy |
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| [09:56:41] | JonasNZ: | justinh, maybe i won't need to hack them much, i think the tuner dumps the video out as mpeg 2 anyway so mostly i just need to get the format right and pipe it through stdout to vlc or something to stream it :) |
| [09:57:01] | justinh: | I was going to say why not just use something crappy like vlc |
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| [09:58:36] | justinh: | 1980s styled app, for activities entrenched in the last millennium's mindset :) |
| [09:59:53] | bjd: | who cares about styling if you watch stuff full screen |
| [10:00:30] | justinh: | who cares about livetv? :-) |
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| [10:57:39] | dpgraves: | I need some help with mythubuntu myth 0.23 |
| [10:58:01] | dpgraves: | have started copying all files across to combo front-backend |
| [10:58:19] | dpgraves: | and done scan via the mythvideo front end. |
| [10:59:23] | dpgraves: | went and did the jamu updates and looked good including updating early tvseries eg simpsons s01e01 etc |
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| [10:59:42] | dpgraves: | once i go back to mythfront end they are not there |
| [10:59:50] | dpgraves: | nowhere to be seen |
| [11:00:16] | dpgraves: | can anyone point me in the right direction to get the update in mythvideo to pickup changes |
| [11:02:25] | tool42: | Hello, I'm new. I am wondering whether it is possible to configure a mythtv frontend to connect to a non-master backend. The master and slave backend have enough network bandwidth to use NFS successfully, but the clients have a much more limited bandwidth. The calculations indicate that load balancing the frontends across the master and non master backends would be better, but is this possible? |
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| [11:12:15] | Cervera: | Hi, Question... how do i add a new xmltv grabber to mythtv? (tv_grab_il) |
| [11:13:38] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: When you did the jamu updates are you referring to using the -MI or -MR options? |
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| [11:14:53] | dpgraves: | did -MRV first then run -MW looks fine even get the cover art etc in folders but the mythvideo not picking up any changes |
| [11:15:02] | dpgraves: | sorry MV |
| [11:15:51] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: Also if you are not already you need to keep mythbuntu upto date with their daily build for Mythtv 0,23+fixes, See http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
| [11:17:50] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: You have not done all you need to do. -MW is only for the Watch Recordings screen. After -MRV you need to do a -MV run to get everything for MythVideo. |
| [11:19:17] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: Basically -MRV gets the required TVDB and TMDB reference numbers for each video while -MV downloads the actualy metadata and images and populates the MythTV data base to that they display in MythVideo. |
| [11:19:51] | RDV_Linux: | s/to that/so that/ |
| [11:21:41] | dpgraves: | done them actually downloaded all the cover art etc but still not visable in myth-video at all out of 3 folders in TV_series only 1 is visable the other two cannot even browse to by front end |
| [11:22:17] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: So if I am reading you correctly you actually did a -MV run after -MRV. Please do another jamu -MVf run and pastebin what is displayed and provide a link here, |
| [11:23:02] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: Just to confirm that this is a combined FE/BE? |
| [11:23:20] | dpgraves: | Yes combo front end back end |
| [11:23:47] | dpgraves: | just trying to add more movies to see if it forces the update will be 5min |
| [11:24:27] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: If you do a -MVf run I will be able to see the directory configuration you have to make sure that that is not the issue. |
| [11:24:44] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: It only will take a few seconds. |
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| [11:26:42] | Cervera: | hey, can enybody help me |
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| [11:27:51] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: Just so you know the reason I recommend you apply the Mythbuntu daily updates is that Mythbuntu had to be released with a version of MythTV 0.23 pre-release. The daily updates will get you up to date with the release version of MythTV 0.23+fixes. |
| [11:28:17] | RDV_Linux: | Cervera: Just ask a question and hopefully someone on-line will have the answer. |
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| [11:30:49] | justinh: | tool42: AFAIK you can't do that. each frontend would get recordings/media from the relevant backend. how can your frontends have insufficient bandwidth to access media anyway? TV recordings & video are only of the order of a few megabits/sec & even HDTV is only like 20Mbits/sec or so |
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| [11:33:13] | justinh: | I'm going to guess the magic word 'wireless' might come into this equation somewhere. in which case, hard cheese. only wired networks can give you the reliability etc you seek :) |
| [11:35:03] | tool42: | justinh: thank you for your response – I had not appreciated that the non-master backend machines held onto their own recordings – I assumed that they were sent to the master. I am writing a research proposal to provide video on demand services to a large campus based university (we have the relevant distribution licences already) – we want to be able to cater for at least 2000 concurrent connections (a conservative use-case by pr |
| [11:35:18] | Cervera: | how do i add a new xmltv grabber to mythtv? (tv_grab_il) |
| [11:36:03] | Cervera: | i was trying to do so by apt-get xmltv but i get "latest version alreeady installed" |
| [11:36:48] | Cervera: | and that's not right, because i have0.5.56–1 installed when there's already a 0.5.57 ver. |
| [11:37:16] | justinh: | Cervera: what that means is you have the latest *packaged* version |
| [11:37:29] | Cervera: | ah |
| [11:37:52] | justinh: | if you'd like a newer version you'll have to install it yourself either by finding a newer package, or by building xmltv yourself |
| [11:37:59] | Cervera: | and can i add a grabber without packing the new version |
| [11:38:09] | Cervera: | (the grabber IS on the newer ver.) |
| [11:38:26] | justinh: | I wouldn't recommend taking code from the new grabber & trying to put it into xmltv yourself |
| [11:38:57] | Cervera: | just build a new file into /usr/bin? |
| [11:39:03] | justinh: | what I would probably do in your situation is uninstall the xmltv package & install xmltv from xmltv's nightly builds |
| [11:39:59] | dpgraves: | http://pastebin.com/K2h7kyEE this is for you RDV_Linux also just activated auto-build just restarting box now. |
| [11:40:08] | Cervera: | justinh: i need you to explain to me how to do that |
| [11:40:28] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: Looking now |
| [11:41:09] | tool42: | Cervera: I suspect that justinh is saying that using code from different versions (the older packaged version and the newer code of the grabber) will cause unknown problems, unique to your build. To avoid problems, you would need to "apt-get remove" and build using the sources (sorry if I'm miss representing you, justinh) |
| [11:41:55] | ** ver is the newest ver. ** | |
| [11:43:08] | Cervera: | ver: :D |
| [11:43:59] | Cervera: | tool42: how do i build from source? |
| [11:44:08] | justinh: | Cervera: the xmltv.org site tells you how |
| [11:45:23] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: Right at the beginning of the pastebin are a few warning messages that you need to deal with. You are using storage groups BUT you have some duplicate unnecessary FE local path settings. In the FE settings remove the local paths "/var/lib/mythtv/coverart" and "/var/lib/mythtv/videos". Rerun -MVf to see if you got rid of all of the warnings. |
| [11:46:17] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: Also get rid of the FE local path "/var/lib/mythtv/banners" |
| [11:47:28] | dpgraves: | under general in video setting correct page 1 |
| [11:49:47] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: Utilities/Settings-->Setup-->Media Settings-->Video Settings-->General Settings |
| [11:50:06] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: Pg1 |
| [11:50:42] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: Basically the only path that you may want to have filled in is for Trailers. |
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| [11:51:51] | Cervera: | justinh: i can't find it... sorry |
| [11:52:11] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: After you did that redo a jamu -MVf so that we can make sure the directories are set up properly. Then we can move forward. |
| [11:54:42] | dpgraves: | RDV_Linux: http://pastebin.com/HfiY6Vmw |
| [11:55:11] | justinh: | The current release (0.5.57) was made on 2010-04–18 and is available at http://files.xmltv.org |
| [11:55:20] | justinh: | on the front page of xmltv.org |
| [11:56:52] | justinh: | installation instructions are in the README file |
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| [11:57:49] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: Something is wrong with the Fanart directory. See "MythTV (fanartdir) directory ( ) does not exist.". It is like the field is not empty or made up of spaces. Maybe there is something in the FE Fanart setting. Try making sure it has no extra spaces. |
| [11:58:39] | Cervera: | okay, thought there were instuctions before downloading. by the way, found this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmltv/0.5.57-1 |
| [11:58:50] | Cervera: | though ^^ |
| [11:59:07] | justinh: | well you could use that |
| [11:59:24] | justinh: | apt-get source xmltv-blah-whatever |
| [12:00:40] | Cervera: | okay, but what can i do with that, it's AGAIN only he source? or am I way off? |
| [12:01:11] | justinh: | looks like it's source only |
| [12:01:28] | justinh: | but it's all perl anyway, so what difference is there? |
| [12:01:50] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: I just want to make sure there are no odd messages before we go to the next step as it could confuse the results. |
| [12:01:54] | Cervera: | that's the point, i don't know. i'm quite new to linx |
| [12:02:27] | justinh: | woohoo I got one.com to change my domain's IPS tag |
| [12:02:47] | justinh: | now all I need to do is harrass my new host to take it on |
| [12:02:55] | dpgraves: | RDV_Linux http://pastebin.com/aT2sNJBW |
| [12:03:10] | Cervera: | i'm on SSH to the tv console, breaking my head here trying to think of ow do download the sourceforge package and opening the readme |
| [12:04:01] | dpgraves: | another point added a new file under /var/lib/mythtv/Movies/R and it worked fine |
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| [12:05:48] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: You seemed to have cut off the top of the pastebin which is where I was seeing the warnings. If there were no warnings about the Fanart directory then go into MythVideo and do scan. Then tell me how things look. |
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| [12:08:01] | dpgraves: | RDV_Linux just two that are not working correctly /var/lib/mythtv/Tv_Series I have 3 folders under there only 1 is visable even after do scan for changes and 1 folder only has 1 season not 2 seasons. |
| [12:08:32] | dpgraves: | RDV_Linux sorry no error messages at all now. all gone |
| [12:10:08] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: So just to establish a base line, please confirm (a) Things have improved and (b) you only have issues a couple of folders? |
| [12:11:12] | dpgraves: | RDV_Linux: no not improved q |
| [12:11:39] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: Also check that your folder/file names meet one of the supported standards specified here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing |
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| [12:21:33] | ThisOtherGuy: | hi All |
| [12:22:00] | ThisOtherGuy: | I noticed that the mythweb is moving to php 5.3 – is it ok to stay on 5.2 or will things be broken? |
| [12:22:08] | wagnerrp_: | broken |
| [12:22:10] | wagnerrp_: | bah |
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| [12:22:15] | dpgraves: | RDV_Linux: Just updated was at usr/.../mythtv/video/Tv_Series/Simpsons/Simpsons_Series_1/*.avi |
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| [12:23:23] | ThisOtherGuy: | wagnerrp: bah? |
| [12:23:28] | dpgraves: | RDV_Linux: now at usr/.../mythtv/video/Tv_Series/Simpsons/Series_1/*.avi rerunning MRV and MV and look again. |
| [12:23:32] | ** wagnerrp points at his name change ** | |
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| [12:24:38] | wagnerrp: | ThisOtherGuy: yes, 5.3 is required |
| [12:24:46] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: I assume you are giving me a progress report otherwise I do not understand what you are telling me. |
| [12:25:12] | wagnerrp: | a good chunk of it wont work if you use 5.2 |
| [12:25:29] | ThisOtherGuy: | wagnerrp: bummer – thanks – I guess it's time to move to Lucid |
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| [12:25:43] | wagnerrp: | you cant upgrade php in place? |
| [12:26:05] | wagnerrp: | what are you running? 5.3.0 was released over a year ago |
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| [12:26:49] | ThisOtherGuy: | it looks to me like stock Karmic only goes to 5.2 – I can add external repos to move to 5.3 but that seems scarier than just moving to Lucid |
| [12:29:43] | wagnerrp: | justinh: you were talking about 'squeeze' stuff a lot earlier. were you looking at squeezebox hardware? or just wanting to use the server and software players? |
| [12:31:15] | justinh: | wagnerrp: just using the server & software players |
| [12:31:25] | wagnerrp: | ah, nevermind then |
| [12:31:25] | justinh: | I looked at mpd, but the GUI based players all SUCK |
| [12:31:30] | dpgraves: | RDV_Linux: yes update got 1 movie to update that was just missing the metadata and Coverart in MythVideo Front end but still the TV_Series not even visible to the Mythvideo Browser only see 1 folder out of 3 and no metadata even though the MV say 41 updates to database and all the video files are updated. |
| [12:31:43] | justinh: | wagnerrp: that's SUCK as in look like they were drawn by a 2 year old |
| [12:32:06] | wagnerrp: | was going to say logitech has a 'dented box' special on one of the player units |
| [12:32:19] | justinh: | yeah? might be tempted if the price is right |
| [12:32:27] | wagnerrp: | $180 for the boombox |
| [12:32:30] | justinh: | their stuff is way expensive for what it is |
| [12:32:34] | justinh: | ouch |
| [12:32:38] | wagnerrp: | squeezebox boom, rather |
| [12:33:04] | justinh: | squeezeplay running on my joggler thingy is *very* nice |
| [12:33:42] | justinh: | it's still a cow for locating an artist/track/album in a big collection.. and my collection isn't what some people would call big |
| [12:34:07] | justinh: | claims that mythmusic is unusable are, IMHO.. overstated |
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| [12:35:30] | wagnerrp: | seriously, i looked into this stuff about a year ago, intending to digitize my parent's cd/phono collection, and replace their player equipment with the one that looks like a piece of AV equipment |
| [12:35:34] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: Just to double check, MythVideo will only pick up video files that are in the "/var/lib/mythtv/videos" path and its subdirectories. Your paths you had above showed "usr/.../mythtv/video/Tv_Series" which does not seem to be "/var/lib/..." |
| [12:35:34] | wagnerrp: | but its like $1500 |
| [12:35:43] | wagnerrp: | ridiculous |
| [12:35:46] | justinh: | wagnerrp: yup |
| [12:35:57] | justinh: | there's a massive gap in the market |
| [12:36:31] | wagnerrp: | its a shame the AudioTron got canned so long ago |
| [12:36:31] | justinh: | there's all the sonos/logitech stuff near the top.. then the toy NMT junk at the other end and nothing mainstream in the middle |
| [12:36:50] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: If you need to you can add additional Video storage groups and then do a rescan. |
| [12:36:55] | justinh: | I really liked the idea of apple's airport thing til I saw the price |
| [12:37:27] | dpgraves: | RDV_Linux: yes sorry directory are /var/lib/mythtv/videos/Tv_Series/Simpsons/ or /Merlin/ or UnderBelly |
| [12:38:33] | justinh: | wagnerrp: nobody doing reasonable AV receivers with audio streaming yet? |
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| [12:38:53] | RDV_Linux: | dpgraves: Ok then if somethings are working as you said then I would like an absolute path to one of the files that are not being picked up by the MythVideo scan. |
| [12:39:01] | wagnerrp: | well youre looking at half a K before you start getting into decent AV receivers |
| [12:39:16] | wagnerrp: | although they could stand to do that as well |
| [12:39:29] | wagnerrp: | their existing one is rather old |
| [12:39:45] | wagnerrp: | got it when we remodeled the house and added that room, like 15yrs ago |
| [12:40:40] | wagnerrp: | SD analog only, stereo (and prologic) only |
| [12:40:55] | justinh: | heh |
| [12:40:56] | wagnerrp: | surround outputs, but only stereo inputs |
| [12:41:29] | justinh: | yikes.. ONKYO TXNR807 |
| [12:41:45] | wagnerrp: | and the prologic hardware is hosed, the volume keeps going up and down when its enabled |
| [12:42:06] | justinh: | 6 HDMI inputs, network, rs232, remote input... |
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| [12:43:45] | wagnerrp: | 6 inputs would be hard to fill |
| [12:43:56] | justinh: | still only DLNA though :-\ |
| [12:44:18] | wagnerrp: | i guess if you had an external broadcast receiver, or used both satellite and cable |
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| [12:52:26] | AndyCap: | 2 consoles, blu-ray, pc, satellite, cable. |
| [12:54:20] | justinh: | camcorder, phone... |
| [12:54:26] | justinh: | oops |
| [12:58:09] | wagnerrp: | phone? no... well be using fiber-optic for that if intel has their way |
| [12:58:30] | justinh: | ooo ODN already? :-O |
| [12:58:57] | wagnerrp: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_Peak |
| [13:00:02] | AndyCap: | phone? I'm sure there are receivers out with bluetooth. :P |
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| [13:00:54] | AndyCap: | "successfully replaced a number of older technologies like RS232 and" |
| [13:01:01] | AndyCap: | so what did that onkyo have again? :P |
| [13:03:32] | wagnerrp: | wait, youre claiming bluetooth replaced some existing tech? |
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| [13:04:45] | AndyCap: | Nah, it was the wikipedia article about Light Peak claming usb had replaced rs-232. |
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| [13:06:20] | wagnerrp: | you know, ive never actually seen a PC with a centronics port |
| [13:06:41] | justinh: | there's enough bandwidth in bluetooth to send HD video now? :-0 |
| [13:06:48] | justinh: | awesome! |
| [13:06:53] | wagnerrp: | ive had printers that used them, but it was always an adapter cable terminating in DB25 on the other end |
| [13:07:53] | wagnerrp: | sure, if you consider 2.4mbps sufficient bandwidth to send HD video |
| [13:08:06] | wagnerrp: | im sure some torrent sites would agree with you |
| [13:08:06] | justinh: | BBCHD do :D |
| [13:08:52] | wagnerrp: | now heres the fun one... bt3.0+hs |
| [13:08:53] | justinh: | ugh somebody with an aol.com address has subscribed to updates on my site |
| [13:09:00] | wagnerrp: | its rated for 24mbps |
| [13:09:11] | wagnerrp: | except bluetooth doesnt actually run at that speed |
| [13:09:23] | wagnerrp: | its merely used for negotiation of an 802.11g link |
| [13:09:44] | wagnerrp: | why is aol still around? |
| [13:09:51] | wagnerrp: | what service do they provide to... anything? |
| [13:10:19] | ** wagnerrp says this while running winamp ** | |
| [13:10:51] | justinh: | lol. winamp still going? |
| [13:11:01] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [13:11:24] | wagnerrp: | amazingly without getting AOL's logo emblazen all ove rit |
| [13:11:26] | justinh: | does it still whip the llama's ass? |
| [13:11:51] | tzanger: | heh |
| [13:11:53] | tzanger: | good old winamp |
| [13:11:58] | justinh: | ahh my old flames winamp & audiogalazy |
| [13:11:59] | wagnerrp: | still plays that same jingle when you install it for the first time |
| [13:12:00] | sid3windr: | I'm still on icq.. |
| [13:12:10] | justinh: | ICQ still going?! :-O |
| [13:12:30] | wagnerrp: | its been dead for half a decade, but AOL keeps the servers going |
| [13:12:31] | tzanger: | yeah I still got my 1519xxx UID |
| [13:12:43] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [13:12:55] | sid3windr: | mine starts with 12! |
| [13:12:59] | sid3windr: | but it's a digit longer.. |
| [13:12:59] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [13:13:08] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: well it's the same servers as aol instant messenger.. ;) |
| [13:13:39] | wagnerrp: | yeah, theres effectively no difference between AIM and ICQ, i think they can talk to each other now too |
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| [13:16:29] | wagnerrp: | hehe... minimum wage increases across china has resulted in companies considering relocating elsewhere |
| [13:17:07] | AndyCap: | pool noodles? |
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| [13:21:36] | mcl0vin: | how can i make my mythtv play .rmvb formats |
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| [13:21:49] | wagnerrp: | rerip to something more sane? |
| [13:22:21] | ** wagnerrp sets fire to Real Networks ** | |
| [13:22:52] | mcl0vin: | wagnerrp: well i have a bunch of movies that are in .rmvb format |
| [13:23:24] | mcl0vin: | which will lead to my second question, how can i make VLC my default player for mythtv |
| [13:23:32] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo should play them if you add that extension to its internal list of supported formats |
| [13:23:43] | wagnerrp: | but i still say the best option is to re-rip the DVDs |
| [13:23:57] | wagnerrp: | and why would you want VLC as the default player? |
| [13:24:19] | mcl0vin: | :) because it play most of the formats |
| [13:24:44] | wagnerrp: | and would result in to separate players you have to set up for lirc |
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| [13:24:55] | wagnerrp: | and completely different behavior between the two when using them |
| [13:25:00] | sid3windr: | did anyone rip out that external player option yet? =) |
| [13:25:04] | wagnerrp: | not to mention it doesnt support storage groups |
| [13:25:11] | justinh: | and would result in bitter disappointment when mythtv removes support for external players :D |
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| [13:25:20] | justinh: | MUHAHAHAHA |
| [13:25:24] | sid3windr: | evil justin |
| [13:25:32] | justinh: | let those tho use realmedia formats die in a fire |
| [13:25:37] | justinh: | along with framegrabber users |
| [13:25:51] | mcl0vin: | wagnerrp: speaking of lirc...i still cant get the darn thing to work for my remote |
| [13:25:59] | wagnerrp: | VLC? |
| [13:26:02] | justinh: | come on.. who without mental deficiency uses realmedia formats? *honestly* |
| [13:26:24] | justinh: | I mean besides the fact they're propriatary, closed source.. er.. they're junk |
| [13:26:35] | wagnerrp: | well now your just nit-picking |
| [13:26:53] | justinh: | true |
| [13:26:56] | justinh: | mmm nits :P |
| [13:27:02] | wagnerrp: | cant get so angry over a single flaw, like being awful |
| [13:27:10] | mcl0vin: | forgive me but that thing is driving me crazy |
| [13:27:31] | justinh: | just do the right thing & burn your realmedia format videos |
| [13:28:03] | justinh: | by that I don't mean turn them into DVDs :D |
| [13:28:19] | mcl0vin: | hahahah |
| [13:28:49] | wagnerrp: | heh... BSG Bluray on amazon for 61% off, meaning its /only/ $135 |
| [13:29:07] | wagnerrp: | hardly seems like a discount |
| [13:29:19] | ** justinh imagines the 'pirate' videos in all those cinema ads are all realmedia format.. postage stamp sized, grainy, blocky... posterised... ** | |
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| [13:32:34] | justinh: | seriously though.. unless you're stuck with Fisher Price 'My First Computer Video' making programs from the likes of Pinnacle.. but I think even *they* can use *proper* formats now... |
| [13:33:10] | wagnerrp: | justinh: do any a/v receivers even come with squeeze support? |
| [13:33:24] | justinh: | wagnerrp: I dunno. not even looked |
| [13:33:44] | justinh: | you can apparently trick some into using it |
| [13:34:07] | justinh: | but that's more along the lines of piping 'now playing' into an icecast or something similarly retarded |
| [13:36:32] | mcl0vin: | wagnerrp: are you free to help me get my remote to work ...it is Hauppage HVR 1600 . i tried compiling the lirc from source and update v4l driver and everything but no luck |
| [13:36:42] | mcl0vin: | will buy you coffee hehehehhe |
| [13:36:53] | wagnerrp: | dont know anything about ir on the 1600 |
| [13:36:57] | justinh: | with vlc? meh |
| [13:37:01] | wagnerrp: | and its been years since ive fiddled with lirc |
| [13:37:21] | mcl0vin: | justinh: no not with vlc |
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| [13:37:47] | justinh: | build lirc. install. start lircd. run irw. badabing |
| [13:37:59] | justinh: | pass go, collect $200 |
| [13:38:58] | mcl0vin: | justinh: yeah i thought it was that easy...but turns out its not |
| [13:39:26] | tool42: | justinh: Do you know if the mythtv master backend may listen on more than one physical network interface concurrently? |
| [13:39:36] | justinh: | tool42: no it cannot |
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| [13:39:57] | justinh: | tool42: so any balancing you do will have to be external to mythtv |
| [13:40:11] | tool42: | justinh: thanks for the answer, and for the answer to my next question :) |
| [13:40:17] | wagnerrp: | never been a problem, as there is really very little reason for a home user to run to run multiple physical networks |
| [13:41:10] | tool42: | wagnerrp: I understand – all of my issues are because I'm hoping to use it in an enterprise environment |
| [13:41:15] | justinh: | tool42: your best bet may be to split the mythtv system up into groups/clusters but use common storage somehow |
| [13:41:30] | justinh: | it won't be the first time somebody's done this.. but on this scale.. I dunno |
| [13:41:36] | tool42: | justinh: thanks, that was what I was fearing :) |
| [13:42:17] | tool42: | I *just* ;) need to get two masters to understand that they are sharing a database ... :S |
| [13:42:30] | justinh: | thing is, if you can spread NFS somehow you can just use mythvideo |
| [13:42:47] | justinh: | for playback duties I mean |
| [13:42:55] | wagnerrp: | mythtv works just fine through routers |
| [13:43:05] | wagnerrp: | you just lose the ability for upnp detection |
| [13:43:19] | wagnerrp: | which in an enterprise environment, you probably want to disable anyway |
| [13:43:31] | ** tool42 goes off to read more of mythvideo ... thanks for the heads up justinh :D ** | |
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| [13:43:59] | tool42: | wagnerrP: yup, upnp would be more problematic than helpful :) |
| [13:44:00] | justinh: | tool42: well instead of mythbackend serving files then you could just be relying on a big fat network share |
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| [13:44:17] | justinh: | unless you used storage groups of course... |
| [13:44:35] | justinh: | but if all you're needing to do is distribute content... |
| [13:45:02] | wagnerrp: | explain what exactly youre intending to do with it, maybe we can make more informed suggestions |
| [13:45:31] | justinh: | and send consultancy invoices |
| [13:45:35] | tool42: | justinh: yes, the distribution is the problem I'm most worried about |
| [13:46:08] | tool42: | lol – sadly I can't authorise to pay consultancy fees. |
| [13:46:25] | justinh: | plenty of tools available to give you big fat load balanced serving.. surely |
| [13:46:49] | justinh: | not that you'd necessarily even *need* that |
| [13:47:26] | wagnerrp: | storage groups would scale just fine |
| [13:47:39] | wagnerrp: | the frontend will automatically pull from a local NFS share if available |
| [13:47:47] | wagnerrp: | it will only stream from the backend if it cant find the file locally |
| [13:47:48] | justinh: | so are you talking about a big fat communal pvr? or just a big fat video server with thousands of potential clients? |
| [13:47:51] | wagnerrp: | (or if you force it) |
| [13:48:52] | justinh: | oo I can check the TTL of my domain |
| [13:49:22] | justinh: | 7701 seconds til (hopefully) it switches to the new host |
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| [13:50:29] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [13:51:10] | tool42: | wagnerrp and justinh: We are looking to create a testbed to demonstrate new funding models, routing algorithms, storage distributions, and predictive caching for video on demand services. We have a licence that allows us to hold and distribute forever (where forever is limited by disk space) so the normal mythtv concerns about not providing illegal distribution issues are resolved. The use case is that the users (students on camp |
| [13:51:16] | justinh: | just had my ips tag changed to a new registrar but the domain is still listed as tied to the old nameserver |
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| [13:51:40] | wagnerrp: | justinh: yeah, but ttl only matters for existing caches |
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| [13:51:53] | wagnerrp: | any servers that dont have that data will automatically use the new address |
| [13:52:26] | wagnerrp: | and then that timeout only means the point at which all existing caches are guaranteed to have been flushed and re-gotten |
| [13:52:28] | tool42: | the problem is that we estimate 2000 concurrent users at once ... so unless we transcode down to very low quality, we can never get the goodput over one physical NIC |
| [13:52:40] | justinh: | tool42: lol |
| [13:53:02] | justinh: | tool42: but you've not even thought about – or if you have you've not mentioned – how you'll be collecting said video |
| [13:53:12] | wagnerrp: | tool42: so use some SAN as your storage backend, and mount the storage locally on each frontend |
| [13:53:39] | wagnerrp: | the frontends will pull directly from the SAN, which should be able to handle the throughput |
| [13:54:00] | wagnerrp: | or... just use bonded 10gbe cards on the backend |
| [13:54:48] | wagnerrp: | or... have some program running in the background that balances recordings and videos out across multiple backends, so then each backend would only have to stream the content that it itself claimed |
| [13:55:19] | justinh: | wagnerrp: anyway at my end (work & home) I only see the old host. hoping that by the time TTL goes down to zero it'll have the new nameserver against it |
| [13:55:25] | tool42: | yup – we've worked out the SAN storage for about 40k – the problem is that we want to model charge models (alternative mechanisms for funding) so cannot have open access to content on the clients as (assuming clever students) they will circumvent the charging mechanism |
| [13:56:01] | justinh: | so secure SAN ? |
| [13:56:03] | wagnerrp: | if you dont want open access, you might be better off starting from scratch |
| [13:56:20] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has a LOT of deficiencies in the security area |
| [13:56:33] | tool42: | wagnerrp: load balancing across the different back ends is interesting – how easy would it be to manipulate the database to allow that to happen? |
| [13:56:40] | justinh: | or improve mythtv to the point where it'll support what you need |
| [13:56:49] | justinh: | tool42: mythtv isn't designed for that |
| [13:57:17] | tool42: | justinh: I'm willing, but the project lead may be less willing to allocate that amount of time for me to do development work |
| [13:57:40] | tool42: | justinh: fair enough :) |
| [13:57:41] | wagnerrp: | mythtv allows for multiple backends with tuner cards, and each backend will mark itself as the owner of any content it records |
| [13:57:53] | wagnerrp: | which is then stored in the 'hostname' field in the 'recorded' table |
| [13:58:17] | wagnerrp: | when the frontend goes to play back content, if it cannot find the file locally, it will connect to that hostname listed in the table to stream from |
| [13:58:34] | wagnerrp: | all you have to do is change that hostname |
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| [13:58:55] | wagnerrp: | although i believe if you have shared storage among all the backends |
| [13:59:07] | wagnerrp: | any backend can stream any content if finds in its locally accessible storage groups |
| [13:59:14] | wagnerrp: | regardless of whether or not it owns the content |
| [13:59:29] | justinh: | but it certainly won't be able to do any 'load' balancing of any sort |
| [13:59:36] | wagnerrp: | so you could just have the frontend hit a random backend instead of the one listed in the database |
| [13:59:49] | jams: | seems far easier to just put a loadbalancer in front of a cluster of BE |
| [13:59:52] | wagnerrp: | or implement some sort of balancing proxy between the frontends and backends |
| [14:00:24] | wagnerrp: | understand that by far the biggest hurdle you face with something like this is the database |
| [14:00:43] | wagnerrp: | the frontend expects to get full rights to the database |
| [14:01:07] | wagnerrp: | and there will be a lot of work needed to claim that down to make it read-only |
| [14:01:12] | tool42: | wagnerrp: yeah – the database is the bit I'm most worried about – it may be that I have to redevelop the response from the database to, as you suggest, randomly allocate a backend ... |
| [14:01:12] | wagnerrp: | clamp |
| [14:01:45] | justinh: | make it transparent to mythtv... be easiest I think |
| [14:02:00] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if the frontend hits the database directly for that information, or if it pulls it from the programinfo object from the backend |
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| [14:02:09] | tool42: | wagnerrp: we believe that the easiest way to clamp down is to create a seperate costing mechanism that places iptables rules into the firewall – it's not perfect, but it may be good enough |
| [14:02:38] | justinh: | frontend hits the database to find out where the backend is then the vast majority of everything is done via the backend |
| [14:02:39] | wagnerrp: | if it pulls that information from the MBE, you could just implement the load balancing based off what what hostname it returns in that structure |
| [14:03:08] | justinh: | run mythfrontend with -v database & find out :) |
| [14:03:24] | wagnerrp: | MBE is probably going to have to be a pretty beefy machine, since its going to be fielding all of those requests |
| [14:03:38] | tool42: | we have budget :) |
| [14:03:51] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if that kind of thing would be able to be distributed among a cluster of machies |
| [14:04:47] | wagnerrp: | there is also no support for individual users in mythtv |
| [14:05:00] | wagnerrp: | so there would be no way to track who is doing what or has access to what content |
| [14:05:10] | wagnerrp: | probably the easiest would be to manage it based off their IP |
| [14:05:41] | wagnerrp: | might want to add some sort of crypto key for identification purposes |
| [14:05:47] | tool42: | as we are on a constrained campus, we can assume that user = ip address as it's static :) |
| [14:05:55] | wagnerrp: | since IPs, MACs, and even physical ports can be spoofed |
| [14:06:38] | tool42: | it can be spoofed, but happily that's against the terms and conditions, so the IT services people will be most upset and sort any/all of those problems for us |
| [14:07:02] | wagnerrp: | sure, but then you run into all sorts of problems figuring out what content was pulled by what student |
| [14:07:15] | wagnerrp: | easier to just plan for that contingency ahead of time, and try to prevent it |
| [14:08:46] | tool42: | that is fair – I guess one way would be to look into the logging output and use content_name to IP address information ... |
| [14:09:20] | tool42: | thanks loads for your time on this! I promise that if we get approved, and we get it working, I'll be feeding back to the mythtv community about how this works, and how well it works, as I am allowed and able :) |
| [14:09:24] | justinh: | so will you be trying to limit what people can access depending on what's paid for in advance or charging after the fact? |
| [14:09:32] | wagnerrp: | im saying you would want some hash to identify each machine, rather than any physical information |
| [14:11:03] | tool42: | justinh: something like that :) we are looking at some unconventional charging models (our licence doesn't allow for real money to change hands, so it's all arbitrary token based currency) – and some of the interesting costing models are pay-as-you-go based |
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| [14:14:12] | tool42: | I think what I am understanding to be the case is: MythTV won't do what I want out of the box, and may need significant bending to allow it to do so. It may be easier to use MythTV to record and create content, and then use a bespoke non-MythTV distribution mechanism to roll the content out across the network |
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| [14:15:29] | tool42: | again, thanks for your time and input :) |
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| [14:15:44] | tool42: | I hope it hasn't been too frustrating or boring |
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| [14:17:46] | justinh: | quite interesting actually |
| [14:17:57] | tool42: | that's good then :) |
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| [14:20:59] | justinh: | hmmm. another AOL email subscriber. methinks this is a bot |
| [14:22:15] | justinh: | oo I can block domains from subscribing :D |
| [14:22:28] | justinh: | MESSAGE "Get a PROPER EMAIL PROVIDER, DOOFUS" |
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| [14:25:57] | justinh: | lol one of the AOL email addresses belongs to a real person who emailed me |
| [14:26:21] | justinh: | you don't spell "photos" "photo's" woman! |
| [14:26:54] | justinh: | nor do you put your name in html'd purple italic comic sans... ugh |
| [14:27:02] | justinh: | she's not getting anywhere near the blog |
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| [14:28:27] | Jay2k1: | justinh do you want to know what you really do not do? |
| [14:28:31] | Jay2k1: | http://yvettesbridalformal.com/ |
| [14:28:58] | justinh: | ROFLMAO |
| [14:29:07] | justinh: | is that real? |
| [14:29:21] | wagnerrp: | apparently yvette is a 40yr old guy |
| [14:29:27] | wagnerrp: | hes got images up on that site somewhere |
| [14:30:07] | wagnerrp: | why do people put their email in their signature? |
| [14:30:30] | justinh: | thing is, how can I give people accounts to a wordpress based site when they can't even get a proper email address? |
| [14:30:48] | justinh: | hahaha I could just say that & they'd believe it |
| [14:31:18] | wagnerrp: | that an aol.com address is not a proper email? |
| [14:31:19] | justinh: | I'm sorry, Wordpress doesn't allow people with aol.com email addresses to become site editors. It's against nature |
| [14:32:01] | wagnerrp: | 'it doesnt allow you to use websites whos names are three characters long or shorter |
| [14:32:11] | wagnerrp: | its a known bug in the software, but they cant find it |
| [14:32:21] | justinh: | wonder if I can hack wordpress to disallow grocers' apostrophe's (sic) |
| [14:32:27] | wagnerrp: | one of those 'ghosts in the machine' |
| [14:32:42] | wagnerrp: | ? |
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| [14:33:32] | justinh: | grocer's apostrophe's are where somebody put's pointles's apostrophe's in word's |
| [14:33:59] | justinh: | so-called because UK grocers & the uneducated are guilty of the crime :) |
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| [14:34:35] | justinh: | I'm a total pedant when it comes to that & Americanized (sic) spelling |
| [14:34:47] | justinh: | s/pedant/nazi/ |
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| [14:35:42] | wagnerrp: | i just hate it when people use words like 'ur' |
| [14:35:47] | justinh: | anyway I dunno if this woman should even be allowed an editor account. She's not one of the club trainers |
| [14:36:49] | justinh: | UR? Y4 ? ;-) |
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| [14:44:04] | wagnerrp: | one of the guys at work has been playing starcraft 2 |
| [14:44:13] | wagnerrp: | and everyone talks in acronyms |
| [14:44:17] | wagnerrp: | it really bothers me |
| [14:44:35] | wagnerrp: | i mean seriously, it doesnt take noticeably longer to just type out the words as it does the acronyms |
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| [15:18:51] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: You must construct additional pylons. |
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| [15:21:22] | wagnerrp: | pylons? |
| [15:23:38] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: on the "artwork picker", will that allow a user to select their preferred artwork from the choices that are available at the source (TTVDB,TMDB,etc) or only what is locally available? |
| [15:24:11] | iamlindoro: | locally available has always been possible, this polls the source for all downloadable artowrk, presents thumbnails, and allows the user to select the one they want to download |
| [15:24:31] | iamlindoro: | It then performs the download and (as necessary) replaces the existing file of the same name |
| [15:24:42] | iamlindoro: | clears the cache, reloads the image, voila |
| [15:24:47] | skd5aner: | praise the lord |
| [15:25:13] | AndyCap: | just an old internet meme from the earlier starcraft. |
| [15:25:34] | wagnerrp: | more pylons... to let you build more units? |
| [15:25:35] | skd5aner: | can't say I always the default pick is that great compared to what might be up there as far as banners, fanart, etc... thank you for that feature! |
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| [15:27:27] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Well, the default pick has also been improved, but trying to explain exactly how in the commits was only liable to start more commentary from the peanut gallery |
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| [15:28:02] | skd5aner: | cool, I was just really curious if I was reading it right. Great news! |
| [15:28:48] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: to let you build/teleport in more buildings. |
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| [15:29:08] | wagnerrp: | ah, protoss thing |
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| [15:30:50] | AndyCap: | yup. and later all over teh internets. http://www.google.com/images?q=additional+pylons |
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| [15:39:04] | justinh: | haha just seen that aol derived email on my windows laptop. it was all in comic sans. banned |
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| [15:42:09] | justinh: | and arghhh my host hasn't updated my domain to their nameservers yet. I can see why people go for putting their own box in somewhere now |
| [15:43:11] | Jay2k1: | i wonder how big the global dns db is |
| [15:43:44] | Jay2k1: | couldn't every consumer router just come with a terabyte of ram and hold all the information itself |
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| [15:45:25] | justinh: | all this is cos my new host is a reseller & they can't give me proper domain controls on my control panel :-\ |
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| [15:45:37] | justinh: | can't/won't |
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| [15:49:41] | justinh: | oh for god's sakes. Now I can't even login to my own control panel |
| [15:50:52] | AndyCap: | Jay2k1: and start shipping around the hosts file again? good idea |
| [15:51:53] | Jay2k1: | yeah isn't it |
| [15:52:07] | Jay2k1: | you're gonna need 100mbit down at least for all the changes |
| [15:52:45] | Jay2k1: | so ISPs can charge you huge monthly fees |
| [15:52:53] | Jay2k1: | i'm sure they like the idea |
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| [15:55:40] | wagnerrp: | they dont have that kind of bandwidth to dole out to everyone |
| [15:56:19] | Jay2k1: | i guess that's why they didn't do it yet |
| [15:56:57] | justinh: | duh it can take 'up to 48 hours' for this kind of change to propagate. Grump |
| [15:57:20] | Jay2k1: | what's the domain? |
| [15:58:13] | justinh: | newtonheathdtc.co.uk |
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| [16:00:55] | Jay2k1: | i can resolve it |
| [16:01:34] | justinh: | yeah sure you can |
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| [16:01:48] | justinh: | but I bet not to the new host |
| [16:02:29] | Jay2k1: | ah it just changed |
| [16:02:39] | justinh: | site tagline on the new host says "all breeds & ages since 1952" |
| [16:02:47] | justinh: | the old one just "all breeds since 1952" |
| [16:03:06] | Jay2k1: | yeah latter |
| [16:03:37] | justinh: | guess I'm just going to have to be more patient & hope the new host knows their onions |
| [16:04:19] | justinh: | and also hope that no editors go on & change stuff in the time it takes the update to complete :) |
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| [16:04:44] | justinh: | though it should be ok.. I can still get into the database |
| [16:04:49] | wagnerrp: | that reminds me, i reconnected this morning, probably means i need to refresh my domain |
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| [16:19:10] | johnnyj: | here's a question I'm ashamed to ask – I replaced my master BE's OS drive with an SSD drive and I chose Ubuntu Lucid 10.04 and I got everything working using the mythconverg_backup/pl script and all is well |
| [16:20:16] | johnnyj: | but now when I run handbrakecli it uses way more cpu then it did before – my quesiton is – since this isn't mythbuntu, it's just ubuntu – is there some sort of process governor that was limiting it before? |
| [16:21:00] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [16:21:16] | wagnerrp: | there is nice and ionice, but those will still allow it to use everything thats free |
| [16:21:47] | wagnerrp: | mythcommflag and mythtranscode internally have their own code which will sleep() to drop cpu consumption |
| [16:22:00] | wagnerrp: | as a last resort to allowing simultaneous playback on a marginal system |
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| [16:22:43] | johnnyj: | well it hasn't been an issue – playback hasn't suffered – but I was surprised to see load jump to 3.something |
| [16:23:04] | johnnyj: | from what im reading isn't all that bad on a triple core |
| [16:24:25] | kormoc: | load avg or cpu usage? |
| [16:24:33] | kormoc: | cause they're entirely different |
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| [16:26:45] | johnnyj: | whatever uptime reports |
| [16:26:57] | kormoc: | ignore that |
| [16:27:21] | kormoc: | that's just how many threads/processes are able to run at a time, but it doesn't mean they're actually using cpu |
| [16:28:15] | johnnyj: | I was just trying to learn what changed – I wasn't able to get it that high before |
| [16:30:25] | wagnerrp: | did you allow more simultaneous jobs? |
| [16:30:46] | wagnerrp: | are you encoding using x264 which will automatically scale to the number of available cores? |
| [16:32:55] | johnnyj: | actually I was using an argument -c 0 for cores but I can't determine what 0 would do |
| [16:33:38] | johnnyj: | i need to migrate my history files from the old sys drive so I can reivew what commands I was using |
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| [17:10:48] | iamlindoro: | heh... "SageTV 7 Plugin Spotlight – Horizontal Main Menu" |
| [17:10:57] | iamlindoro: | need a plugin to change menu orientation. Flexible. |
| [17:12:09] | sphery: | but they probably have arrow key accelerators ;) |
| [17:12:28] | iamlindoro: | heh. We do in main menus too ;) |
| [17:12:47] | sphery: | and some popups |
| [17:12:49] | iamlindoro: | Glad nobody has ever seen that little inconsistency |
| [17:13:05] | iamlindoro: | at least, and brought it up in the "I miss my accelerators" threads |
| [17:13:33] | sphery: | yeah, we need to remove the setting and just let it atrophy as stuff is turned into properly-themable code |
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| [17:30:10] | johnnyj: | sphery!! |
| [17:30:48] | sphery: | I'm back :) |
| [17:31:01] | wagnerrp: | you were gone? |
| [17:31:40] | sphery: | I wasn't hanging out as much. Was on a trip for work. |
| [17:31:49] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [17:32:50] | justinh: | heh so it wasn't just me being clumsy with the remote then |
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| [19:05:01] | ** skd5aner thinks one of my tuners is about to, or already has, kicked the bucket ** | |
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| [19:08:30] | PeaceKeeper: | Looks libmythui-osd is in trunk now (?). Does anyone if this means the OSD can be called outsite of TV playback? |
| [19:09:21] | wagnerrp: | you mean as some form of popup notifier? |
| [19:09:31] | PeaceKeeper: | yes |
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| [19:11:48] | PeaceKeeper: | I have been reading the commits, but have not ran across any comment about that yet... |
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| [19:13:36] | iamlindoro: | The OSD branch doesn't have anything to do with the notification widget |
| [19:13:42] | iamlindoro: | Which someone still needs to write |
| [19:14:03] | iamlindoro: | the only thing the OSD branch would allow in that regard is *if* someone writes a notification widget, for it to be displayed during video playback |
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| [19:14:28] | PeaceKeeper: | So it can not be displayed outside video playbacl? |
| [19:14:32] | iamlindoro: | ie, video playback and OSD are now homogenous with the rest of the UI-- one would still need to write whatever popup code they wanted to use |
| [19:14:32] | PeaceKeeper: | playback** |
| [19:14:49] | iamlindoro: | The OSD is just another MythUI window-- you have the whole idea backwards |
| [19:15:07] | iamlindoro: | the osd branch made video playback like the rest of the UI, not the rest of the UI like playback |
| [19:15:22] | iamlindoro: | you would never use the video OSD anywhere else |
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| [19:15:45] | PeaceKeeper: | Ahh ok. I was hoping to be able to have a notify. IE twitter notify even if I am not in video playback. |
| [19:15:46] | wagnerrp: | (except for things like preview windows, PIP, etc...) |
| [19:15:49] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: jamu will ignore videos with a listed inetref of 99999999, will there be a reconciliation between the built-in metadata retrieval and jamu so there's a universal understanding of "ignored" videos? |
| [19:15:57] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: No |
| [19:16:09] | iamlindoro: | Jamu is basically EOL |
| [19:16:17] | skd5aner: | ok |
| [19:16:30] | skd5aner: | hmmmm, bye bye jamu! |
| [19:16:44] | wagnerrp: | will it be kept in the tree for 0.24? |
| [19:16:59] | iamlindoro: | It's not officially such until all of its capability (recording image grabbing) is picked up, but that should hopefully happen in the very near future |
| [19:17:20] | iamlindoro: | It just depends entirely on how quickly sphery's work to implement the first parts of the videofile schema does |
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| [19:17:22] | iamlindoro: | er goes |
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| [19:17:54] | iamlindoro: | if he can get that done in the near future and give me a hand with using it for recording imagery, then there's a chance it will be done for 24, and thus Jamu rendered moot |
| [19:17:58] | wagnerrp: | im just wondering as far as patching it for changes in the bindings |
| [19:18:20] | iamlindoro: | I'm going to leave that up to Doug, whether he wants to or not |
| [19:18:32] | wagnerrp: | of course at the moment, im more using it to test the bindings due to breakage cause by deficiency of the author |
| [19:18:46] | iamlindoro: | I don't know right now whether it's necessary or won't be atm, I just can't give a good answer |
| [19:19:00] | PeaceKeeper: | Ok thank you for clearing that up for me :) I was thinking about it wrong. I wanted to write a add-on that would allow some kind of two way communications. |
| [19:19:09] | iamlindoro: | I'm *hoping* that we can let it go, but I don't want to do that until we can handle rec artwork internally |
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| [19:24:36] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: have you found an online site that handles metadata for games similiarly to what TMDB/TTVDB do for movies and TV? |
| [19:24:53] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: not been keeping up with the commit logs have you... |
| [19:24:57] | ** iamlindoro suggests skd5aner finish reading commits ** | |
| [19:25:43] | skd5aner: | yea yea, I'm 3 days behind :P |
| [19:26:08] | skd5aner: | I just got to the fact that you added an inetref for mythgame, haven't seen how it's going to be used, what it's going to reference |
| [19:26:08] | iamlindoro: | A lot can happen in 3 days ;) |
| [19:26:30] | iamlindoro: | I'm not going to spoil the end |
| [19:26:36] | iamlindoro: | but Snape kills Dumbledore |
| [19:26:40] | skd5aner: | I'm like a kid a few days before Christmas "I see you wrapped a bunch of pressents – what's in them?!" |
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| [19:42:05] | dustybin: | is there really any point in having your mythtv recordings owned by the 'mythtv' user ? |
| [19:42:27] | wagnerrp: | only if your backend runs as the 'mythtv' user |
| [19:42:40] | wagnerrp: | your backend should own the recordings, whatever user name it uses |
| [19:46:48] | dustybin: | my backend runs as root user |
| [19:46:54] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [19:47:04] | dustybin: | it just does?! |
| [19:47:14] | dustybin: | the slackbuild created the init.d script |
| [19:47:32] | bjd: | :/ |
| [19:47:32] | wagnerrp: | edit it to drop privileges |
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| [19:47:43] | dustybin: | root 2765 1.6 1.0 624316 39172 ? Ssl 20:29 0:17 /usr/bin/mythbackend -l /var/log/mythbackend.log -v important,general -p /var/run/mythbackend.pid -d |
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| [19:48:07] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: i already looked at it, there is nothing to edit, the script is pretty simple |
| [19:48:18] | wagnerrp: | i figured slackware would be one of the most likely to follow standard practices with not running unnecessary things as root |
| [19:48:29] | dustybin: | i will paste it |
| [19:48:31] | dustybin: | hold on |
| [19:49:29] | dustybin: | http://paste.debian.net/76663/plain/76663 |
| [19:50:11] | wagnerrp: | su – mythtv -c .... |
| [19:51:07] | dustybin: | ? |
| [19:51:54] | skd5aner: | kormoc: you there? |
| [19:52:14] | kormoc: | Sure am |
| [19:52:49] | skd5aner: | quick Q for you... is the requirement for PHP in trunk =5.3 or >=5.3? |
| [19:53:05] | wagnerrp: | 5.3 |
| [19:53:08] | kormoc: | sounds be >= 5.3.0 and I'm on 5.3.2 |
| [19:53:49] | skd5aner: | OK, thanks |
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| [20:00:59] | justinh: | hmmm. can I please have a doggy who doesn't have scatophillic tendencies in future? |
| [20:01:22] | justinh: | ugh. makes me feel sick sometimes, our Rory |
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| [20:02:24] | drindt: | is it possible to auto save the last playback position instead of pressing the button to save the position manually? |
| [20:02:43] | clever: | there is an option to ask what to do when ending playback |
| [20:02:55] | clever: | that might be one of the choices |
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| [20:03:29] | skd5aner: | ahhhh, giantbomb.com |
| [20:04:06] | justinh: | drindt: sure it is. there's a setting for it |
| [20:04:25] | drindt: | justinh: interesting :) thanks, and where? ;) |
| [20:04:56] | justinh: | utils/setup > settings > tv settings > playback > page 2 |
| [20:05:01] | justinh: | action on playback exit |
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| [20:06:48] | justinh: | ahahaha opengl video rendering is totally broken here |
| [20:07:00] | justinh: | I get playback for sure. no video though. |
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| [20:10:32] | sphery: | So, I don't get the 1pt fonts... I get: QFont::setPointSize: Point size <= 0 (0), must be greater than 0 |
| [20:10:32] | justinh: | heh absolutely no errors in mythfrontend output either. lol |
| [20:10:41] | sphery: | really hard to fix a bug you can't reproduce |
| [20:10:50] | sphery: | especially when everyone else thinks it's easy to repro |
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| [20:13:23] | justinh: | so, no reports of opengl rendering not worky on intel yet? |
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| [20:14:20] | sphery: | aha! delete all the themes and you get it |
| [20:15:14] | justinh: | sphery: surprised I never saw that one ;) |
| [20:15:29] | skd5aner: | MythNews, MythBrowser, and MythControls are the only plugins left to not receive any love yet in trunk ;) |
| [20:16:01] | Beirdo: | have they received any hate? |
| [20:16:10] | skd5aner: | no, but feel free |
| [20:16:31] | skd5aner: | I should say, not enough love to mention on the changelog |
| [20:16:49] | skd5aner: | there could have been some random tweak done, but not important enough to call out |
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| [20:17:37] | ** sphery is still looking for a way to get Qt/WebKit to list the available/installed NPAPI plugins ** | |
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| [20:17:55] | sphery: | would make it a lot easier to debug user issues when they're using known-broken versions of plugins |
| [20:18:22] | AYarter: | Hey all. Thanks for your help getting mythtv working for me yesterday. One last q, using the game splugin, is there any way to kill the current emulator with a keystroke — or do I need to install an external program to do that |
| [20:18:23] | justinh: | ruh?! "Something wicked happened resolving 'gb.archive.ubuntu.com:http' (-5 – No address associated with hostname)" |
| [20:18:40] | drindt: | justinh: many thanks |
| [20:18:49] | sphery: | Something wicked this way resolves. |
| [20:18:58] | AYarter: | sphery: The sound issue had to do with mythtv finding oss and alsa when configuring. once I killed oss, it autodetected it. |
| [20:18:58] | iamlindoro: | or does not |
| [20:19:03] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [20:19:31] | justinh: | hmm methinks my frontend – although mythfrontend works.. is broken |
| [20:19:34] | sphery: | AYarter: killed OSS? You mean changed MythTV configuration to specify ALSA:default for both audio output and mixer devices? |
| [20:19:47] | AYarter: | Nah, when I configured it --disable-audio-oss |
| [20:19:50] | justinh: | I can't even get glxinfo to find out what the deuce is up with opengl |
| [20:20:03] | AYarter: | It was finding OSS and ALSA. But when I told it OSS wasn't there, it worked just fine. |
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| [20:21:01] | sphery: | AYarter: well, note that doing that will break the backend's ability to record (meaning with V4L framegrabber garbage as well as transcoding) |
| [20:21:17] | sphery: | MythTV's OSS support is mandatory on GNU/Linux systems |
| [20:21:34] | AYarter: | built it without, and now I have sound. |
| [20:21:55] | sphery: | yeah, but you can't transcode or you'll write files without sound |
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| [20:22:16] | sphery: | it will only work that way for hardware capture or digital capture devices |
| [20:22:20] | AYarter: | hrm. That's actually okay for my purposes though |
| [20:22:39] | justinh: | uhoh. think I'll have to join the melee at #ubuntu |
| [20:22:46] | sphery: | but with the right configuration, it would have worked even with OSS support compiled in |
| [20:22:53] | sphery: | I just don't know what that right config is |
| [20:23:11] | AYarter: | Yeah. I have no idea. That's okay though |
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| [20:28:19] | AYarter: | Am I correct in assuming that I need a third party (or my own program) to exit emulators with a keystroke via gamepad? |
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| [20:32:14] | iamlindoro: | AYarter: MythTv jsut launches the emulators-- once you are running them, you are under their control-- so it's completely outside the scope of mythtv |
| [20:32:30] | iamlindoro: | what some people do is write a short script that performs a killall on all their emulator commands, and bind it to a key |
| [20:32:45] | iamlindoro: | but Myth has no way of controlling external programs-- how you control them is between you and them |
| [20:32:50] | AYarter: | K. The windows frontend I was using had a function to do that, so I figured I'd ask before I went and figured something else. |
| [20:33:22] | AYarter: | Well, in that case, I've got this thing working. Thank you all for your help ! |
| [20:34:11] | AYarter: | You guys are the best! |
| [20:35:53] | justinh: | LOL. guess who forgot to set the gateway IP address on his frontend? |
| [20:36:02] | AYarter: | lol! |
| [20:37:46] | justinh: | ow. glxgears is woeful |
| [20:37:56] | justinh: | 2565 frames in 5.0 seconds |
| [20:38:11] | justinh: | could be about right for intel though |
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| [20:38:54] | justinh: | so with mesa.. does *anything* get done by the GPU whatsoever? |
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| [20:39:12] | justinh: | as in "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM GEM 20091221 2009Q4 x86/MMX/SSE2" |
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| [20:42:44] | justinh: | might try mplayer & see if gl video works on there, see if I'm weeing into the wind |
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| [20:44:37] | justinh: | hmmmnope. black screen with audio again. rats |
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| [20:45:40] | sphery: | justinh: pretty sure that the OpenGL video renderer is basically an nvidia-only thing at this point |
| [20:45:53] | sphery: | may change with the work markk is currently doing on it, though |
| [20:46:41] | justinh: | hahah not getting any output with mplayer with any renderer. |
| [20:46:47] | justinh: | weird city |
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| [21:07:25] | wagnerrp: | the mailing list doesnt actually have any sort of un-subscribe function does it? |
| [21:08:47] | justinh: | none you activate by sending it an unsubscribe message anyway |
| [21:09:17] | bjd: | should be able to via the mailman page? |
| [21:09:57] | justinh: | yup |
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| [21:26:31] | AYarter: | All seems to be working. I just used sawfish as a window manager, and bound some joypad buttons that I'd never ever hit together to delete window. |
| [21:27:58] | sphery: | AYarter: you were the one who helped me figure out how to reproduce the blank, whitish window with the tiny fonts, right? |
| [21:28:04] | AYarter: | That's it. |
| [21:28:11] | sphery: | Thanks. I figured out what it was. |
| [21:28:30] | AYarter: | Of course. By the wau |
| [21:28:32] | sphery: | It's actually really ironic that I was unable to reproduce it--as I actually put in the code that causes it. :) |
| [21:28:32] | AYarter: | *way |
| [21:28:46] | AYarter: | when I reconfigured I was able to reproduce it |
| [21:28:51] | sphery: | I'm about to commit a fix so it will just shut down properly. |
| [21:28:54] | AYarter: | I checked before I setup the database |
| [21:30:00] | sphery: | It seems to be all due to not having the specified UI theme and the default UI theme and the fallback UI theme. If all of those were missing, problems ensued. |
| [21:30:21] | sphery: | (basically we began scanning the whole file system for font files) |
| [21:30:46] | sphery: | and when you got into /proc, you'd get into an infinitely deep well |
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| [21:40:37] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, btw, http://thehealthyskeptic.org/i-have-high-chol . . . -i-dont-care |
| [21:41:00] | sphery: | bacon rationalization? |
| [21:41:15] | kormoc: | Bacon rationalization backed by science! |
| [21:41:20] | sphery: | :) |
| [21:41:48] | Beirdo: | mmmm, bacon |
| [21:44:02] | AYarter: | sphery: All works like a charm now. I'm using myth for its plugins, not for the TV frontend/backend |
| [21:44:06] | Beirdo: | http://www.kegworks.com/images/blogpost/soupOfTheDay.jpg |
| [21:44:07] | AYarter: | So, all is perfect :) |
| [21:44:28] | sphery: | AYarter: glad you've got it set up |
| [21:44:31] | sphery: | enjoy |
| [21:45:01] | AYarter: | sphery: I will. I set this box up half a decade ago on windows NT, and it was a scab then. Now I just don't want a thing running anything microsoft here |
| [21:45:12] | AYarter: | and since that was the last windows box, it was time to go. |
| [21:47:49] | sphery: | heh, cool |
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| [22:14:17] | sphery: | only 505 commits to 25555 |
| [22:15:45] | dustybin: | i just got mythtv frontend running on my joggler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [22:15:46] | dustybin: | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5505251/frontend.JPG |
| [22:17:21] | skd5aner: | now ship it to me |
| [22:17:33] | dustybin: | video is really smooth |
| [22:17:45] | dustybin: | skd5aner: they have stopped making them now |
| [22:18:08] | Beirdo: | Why? Apple threaten them? |
| [22:18:21] | dustybin: | nope, think they are bringing out new model |
| [22:20:43] | Beirdo: | Ok then ;) |
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| [22:25:18] | kormoc: | sphery, ooh, did I ever tell you that I figured out why we have that pile of on disk temp tables? |
| [22:25:43] | sphery: | no |
| [22:25:55] | sphery: | why? |
| [22:26:12] | kormoc: | sphery, mythfilldatabase creates temp tables with a column of type text. No matter what, that's a on-disk temp table |
| [22:26:20] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [22:26:55] | sphery: | since program.description is a text column, I don't see how we could avoid that |
| [22:27:41] | sphery: | unless we limit description to 255 chars... |
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| [22:28:20] | Beirdo: | that might be a bit short |
| [22:28:27] | kormoc: | sphery, well, we can go upto 65535 in a varchar (minus other column sizes) |
| [22:28:28] | sphery: | which would close the bug: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8405 , but would upset mr anon |
| [22:28:46] | sphery: | ah, yeah, I see |
| [22:28:56] | Beirdo: | the 255 is only for index size? |
| [22:29:00] | sphery: | so why do we have text cols? just because 3.23 didn't support > 255? |
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| [22:29:14] | kormoc: | sphery, well, they're also stored out of band |
| [22:29:26] | sphery: | is that useful for program/ |
| [22:29:27] | sphery: | ? |
| [22:29:32] | kormoc: | only the first 768 chars are in the row, the rest is stored in another file |
| [22:29:35] | kormoc: | for us, it's not, no |
| [22:29:40] | kormoc: | as we don't change them often |
| [22:29:49] | sphery: | yeah, we shouldn't get > 768 chars, ever |
| [22:30:04] | sphery: | could be converted |
| [22:30:11] | Beirdo: | hehe, and nobody needs > 640kB RAM either |
| [22:30:27] | Beirdo: | let's hope that that assumption holds better than Bill Gates' did |
| [22:30:47] | sphery: | Since I think DataDirect code is using CREATE TEMPORARY TABLE ... SELECT *, it would fix the temp table on disk issue |
| [22:31:27] | kormoc: | Yeah, and we should likely add a few other indexes on the temp tables |
| [22:32:10] | sphery: | ok, guess it's not using SELECT *, but it's easy enough to change it, too |
| [22:32:41] | sphery: | if you can suggest indices that speed up datadirect data insertion, I'll be /very/ pleased... |
| [22:34:16] | sphery: | I'm hoping to remove the "smartfill" script (I /hate/ that name) that hits SD 3–7 times (getting 3–7 days of data), and just change it so we always get all days of data from SD in one pull. |
| [22:34:39] | sphery: | Unfortunately, memory usage and speed are a concern for the current implementation |
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| [22:35:12] | kormoc: | sphery, Kk, I'll poke at it later tonight and see, I think there's a few joins that can be optimized |
| [22:35:53] | sphery: | and you think changing our text columns to VARCHAR(<large_number>) would be a good idea? |
| [22:36:03] | kormoc: | For temp tables, most certainly |
| [22:36:29] | Beirdo: | does that place a new requirement on mysql version? Or is the requirement for that version already in place? |
| [22:36:29] | banyan: | Hello! Hope everyone is well. I was just wondering if anyone could comment on whether the Myth packages for fedora 13 are "ready for prime time" or if I should hold off doing an upgrade from fedora 12. |
| [22:36:41] | kormoc: | Beirdo, already in place I'd imagine |
| [22:36:54] | Beirdo: | OK :) If not, we should be sure to add them :) |
| [22:36:59] | kormoc: | sphery, having it a varchar would actually make row lookups faster too, as they're not stored off-page |
| [22:37:20] | kormoc: | (assuming any lengths > 768) |
| [22:37:54] | kormoc: | Beirdo, I believe we require mysql 5.0 |
| [22:38:13] | Beirdo: | which is fairly reasonable these days |
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| [22:38:26] | sphery: | kormoc: what about for program/record/recorded/recordedprogram/oldrecorded.description, settings.data, powerpriority.selectclause, mythlog.details, customexample.fromclause/whereclause ? Those are all the text columns we have in core MythTV schema. |
| [22:38:43] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, we require 5.0.15+ |
| [22:39:18] | Beirdo: | OK. I just wanted to be sure that if changing those columns makes a version requirement, that we have the requirement covered :) |
| [22:39:21] | kormoc: | sphery, yeah, the schedule uses CREATE TEMP TABLE LIKe, so it'd help for that query as well |
| [22:39:41] | sphery: | and we have code that checks it (but, unfortunately, that code only gets run if we actually upgrade the DB, now, so it's possible that with some work, someone could circumvent the check) |
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| [22:39:54] | Beirdo: | gah |
| [22:40:09] | Beirdo: | anyways :) |
| [22:40:19] | sphery: | kormoc: I'll do up a DB update for it, and maybe we could get some people to run with it... |
| [22:40:26] | Beirdo: | I think beirdobot will be losing pre-5.0 support... reeaaaally soon |
| [22:40:33] | sphery: | I have to fix the DB version check code, but I haven't gotten motivated, yet |
| [22:40:44] | Beirdo: | as I for one have no intentions of ever downgrading again |
| [22:40:50] | sphery: | kormoc: I have another DB question for you... If only I could remember it. |
| [22:41:45] | sphery: | kormoc: aha! |
| [22:42:36] | sphery: | so, keeping you guys in suspense |
| [22:42:44] | sphery: | trac is /very/ slow right now |
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| [22:43:10] | Beirdo: | when isn't it? |
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| [22:45:52] | sphery: | kormoc: OK, so as mentioned in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/24485 , we have a group of columns using utf8_bin collation--primarily to work around the fact that before utf8, MySQL didn't understand the data we put in columns, so users may have gotten old data with duplicate values, differing only in case. This makes accessing those values more difficult (as shown in the change), and we have a bunch of other locations that would need fixing ... |
| [22:45:58] | sphery: | ... (one at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8530 ). Do you think it would be possible/reasonable to do a DB update that coalesces duplicate values into one (and updates foreign refs, where required) and doesn't cause a huge amount of DB upgrade issues? |
| [22:46:21] | sphery: | basically, I'm trying to decide whether to go around fixing the code that accesses the utf8_bin columns or to just "fix" the utf8_bin columns |
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| [22:48:20] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [22:48:47] | sphery: | we did something similar with people.name, once |
| [22:49:02] | kormoc: | my gut would be to fix the columns (and change anything that references a string go to a id) |
| [22:49:37] | highzeth: | "No more queue slots!" spam, ~10lines/sec on MBE, any setting Ive missed or a lil bugger snuck up on me? |
| [22:50:04] | kormoc: | sphery, For innodb to really work well for us, we'll need to add ids on more tables anyway |
| [22:50:18] | highzeth: | I have several transcode edits in the queue, needless to say I suppose. =) |
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| [22:52:54] | sphery: | kormoc: here is the code that coalesced dups of people.name: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ck.cpp#L4490 |
| [22:53:15] | sphery: | I'd think something like that would work for fixing case-sensitivity issues |
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| [23:01:15] | kormoc: | sphery, we can set the COLLATE to be utf8_general_ci or utf8_unicode_ci and thus don't need to worry bout case? |
| [23:02:47] | banyan: | I suppose a lot of regulars here don't run myth from repos, they probably get it from svn and compile. But if anyone's been using the F13 packages for myth I'd be curious to know if there are any rough edges. |
| [23:05:31] | sphery: | kormoc: those columns are involved in unique indices, so the old dups are bad. I'd like to make them utf8_general_ci (like the rest of the columns in MythTV), but don't know how disruptive the DB update is likely to be to users. |
| [23:05:50] | sphery: | basically, to fix the collation, we need to fix the data |
| [23:11:02] | highzeth: | and then it hit ticket 2077, I'll return to manually editing for now =) |
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| [23:21:56] | kormoc: | sphery, gotcha |
| [23:22:10] | kormoc: | sphery, I'll poke at it in a little bit |
| [23:27:10] | sphery: | kormoc: more than anything, I'm wondering if you think it would be another terrible DB update for users. I'm more than happy to code the update. |
| [23:27:27] | sphery: | basically, how likely is it that we'll have problems with real-world data |
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