Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, June 3rd, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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kormoc:

Is your digital encrypted?

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i_is_cat:

is there a working mythmovies script for canada? :S i just noticed that feature and it would be super cool if it worked for me

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iamlindoro:

good timing, it was deleted from svn yesterday

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i_is_cat:

:O no way

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iamlindoro:

yup

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GuyCanada:

hey kormoc, i dont know what my input is how would i find out?

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i_is_cat:

well that sucks for me :S

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kormoc:

GuyCanada: if you hook up a QAM tuner, do you get your channels or do you need a cable box?

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tweek__:

I've got this awesome Perl script that queries mythconverg to automatically transcode MPEG-2 source media to MPEG-4 H.264 / AAC

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tweek__:

with commercial cuts automatically applied (assuming the user has flagged them already with mythfrontend, which is damn easy to do)

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kormoc:

tweek__: nuvexport and watch your language?

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tweek__:

extracts closed-captions as subtitles with ccextractor and embeds them

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iamlindoro:

congratulations, you've invented nuvexport

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iamlindoro:

except nuvexport actually uses the bindings like a proper script ;)

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tweek__:

and uses AtomicParsley to embed MP4 metadata pulled from mysql

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tweek__:

figured nuvexport would just work with nuppel video, whatever that is

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iamlindoro:

you were mistaken

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tweek__:

and besides this way I have control over the entire process

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tweek__:

and nothing is broken

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iamlindoro:

which differs from nuvexport how?

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kormoc:

tweek__: nuvexport patches are always welcome

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GuyCanada:

kormoc, i have a cable box but i can get channels by plugging the cable directly into the tv, just no guide i believe

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Beirdo:

if something in nuvexport is broken, you can put in tickets, patches :)

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iamlindoro:

nuvexport works fine so long as you use the version of ffmpeg it is targeted against (just as you would need to do for any consumer of ffmpeg of mencoder)

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GuyCanada:

also Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1100 has analogue and digital input and says both are supported on the wiki, can i go wrong with something like that?

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kormoc:

well, to be fair, he mentioned a few things that nuvexport could use

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Beirdo:

yeah, he did. :)

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tweek__:

I don't see anything in here about captions

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tweek__:

those are very important to me

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iamlindoro:

Probably addable to nuvexport in what, a dozen lines?

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kormoc:

you could always help improve the official tool

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tweek__:

yeah, way to rain on my parade. I spent two weeks making this, and 'it can be added in a dozen lines to something we already have'.

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iamlindoro:

and then you're helping the community instead of fragmenting it-- and we could never endorse your script since it does direct SQL hacking

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iamlindoro:

We're just suggesting that the official tool (which has official developer support) might be a better place to direct the effort-- by its nature, nothing that directly accesses the DB will ever be officially supportable

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kormoc:

tweek__: way to rain on our parade, we've spend years developing nuvexport correctly and we get a new script rather then enhancements

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kormoc:

it works both ways

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tweek__:

is there anything I can say in this channel that doesn't get turned into snobbish comments from the developers

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tweek__:

anything -at all-

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xand:

does nuvexport deal with multiple audio tracks properly when using mencoder?

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tweek__:

I mean, I know it's freenode

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tweek__:

but good god

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kormoc:

tweek__: if you take things so personally, then no

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Beirdo:

xand: it does if someone bothers to tell us what you want it to do :)

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kormoc:

tweek__: and why are you telling us about it if you don't want feedback?

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xand:

Beirdo: mencoder itself often chooses the wrong audio track when presented with a mythtv recording

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xand:

mencoder/mplayer

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Beirdo:

besides mencoder isn't used much. mainly transcode and ffmpeg

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tweek__:

mencoder -oac libfaac is broken, at least on my system.

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GuyCanada:

kormoc, i have a cable box but i can get channels by plugging the cable directly into the tv, just no guide i believe

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GuyCanada:

also Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1100 has analogue and digital input and says both are supported on the wiki, can i go wrong with something like that?

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kormoc:

GuyCanada: you sure it's digital?

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kormoc:

GuyCanada: would be great if it's non-encrypted and digital, don't know about the analog side

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GuyCanada:

well its eastlink digital cable the service is called as far as i know

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Beirdo:

GuyCanada: you in Halifax-ish?

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tweek__:

I mostly mentioned it because the one thing I'm missing from my metadata is the episode number / season number

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GuyCanada:

beirdo, cape breton

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GuyCanada:

beirdo * ^

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tweek__:

it transcodes H.264 that iPods can play, which is great, but they tend to sort by episode / season numbers

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Beirdo:

nice. Dunno if GreyFoxx is awake, but he may have the same provider

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GuyCanada:

oops i thought is pelled it wrong the first time srry

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tweek__:

how does nuvexport do metadata? seems like there's so many different ways to go about it

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Beirdo:

heh.

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GuyCanada:

kormoc ^ sorry forgot to add your name up there

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GuyCanada:

beirdo, was that to me? greyfoxx may also be on eastlink? that would be helpful

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Beirdo:

he may be. Last I heard, he was in the Halifax area. Anyways...

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kormoc:

tweek__: it uses the perl language bindings to get metadata

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tweek__:

is there some sort of mythtv module in CPAN?

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kormoc:

no, it's not in cpan, it ships with the backend

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kormoc:

as it's tied to the backend version

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GuyCanada:

cool, well thanks for the help. hopefully ill be able to figure it out

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GuyCanada:

what would be the difference if my input is incrypted or no? would it need different cards?

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kormoc:

GuyCanada: the *only* legal way to get the encrypted channels would be a hdpvr

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GuyCanada:

kormoc, ahh i see well i have no hdpvr so it musnt be encrypted

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kormoc:

erm

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kormoc:

that's a card for myth to use

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GuyCanada:

kormoc oh well, i can use a tv without a setup box and get channel, jsut not use the guide

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GuyCanada:

so

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kormoc:

that would say it's not encrypted, yes

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GuyCanada:

would a hdpvr card be worth getting anyway tho?

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kormoc:

I like mine

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GuyCanada:

would it work for non encrypted stuff adn then if i never needed to use it with an encrypted signal i would be ok for instance?

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GuyCanada:

i see, what card do you use and did it work "out of the box" or minimal effort kormoc?

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Beirdo:

I'll be getting one sometime soon myself :)

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kormoc:

I have a hdpvr, and I think it's pretty simple, aye

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kormoc:

requires a semi-hefty machine to play it back on tho (or something like vdpau)

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GuyCanada:

heafty in waht manner kormoc?

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kormoc:

it's h264, that's a lot of cpu power if you don't offload it

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iamlindoro:

gross tonnage

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kormoc:

that as well, those bits are dense

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GuyCanada:

the box im workign with right now i dont have a graphics card for yet so i can splurge a bit there, bpu is only 1.8 ghz tho

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GuyCanada:

cpu*

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kormoc:

1.8 ghz in what cpu family?

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iamlindoro:

386sx

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iamlindoro:

x 18

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kormoc:

ooh, overclocker eh?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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GuyCanada:

ahh its a pentium 4

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i_is_cat:

i use a p4 1.6ghz for my frontend

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kormoc:

yeah, that's a bit old for anything HD

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i_is_cat:

but i dont do hd

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i_is_cat:

yet..

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Beirdo:

without vdpau, gonna be a bit hopeless for HD

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GuyCanada:

if i werent using it for HD would it be fine and able to support the HDpvr?

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GuyCanada:

whats vdpau?

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kormoc:

I wouldn't know

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iamlindoro:

GuyCanada, not a chance

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Beirdo:

if you're not doing HD, why buy an HDpvr? ;)

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i_is_cat:

lol thats why i dont have one

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GuyCanada:

well i dunno im trying to figure out what i AM going to do, i may do some HD or in the future

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iamlindoro:

ah, "weren't" yeah, no point if you're not gonna do HD

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GuyCanada:

im trying to figure out how to go about this machine ahah

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** kormoc eyes a second mac mini **

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GuyCanada:

i dont mind replacing the CPU but i wont if i dont have to

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iamlindoro:

GuyCanada, As a rule, MythTV is not a cost saving measure

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iamlindoro:

it's a way to spend way, way, way more on a DVR, not less.

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GuyCanada:

i see

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iamlindoro:

You get the luxury and flexibility that we all desire, but it is not the bargain option

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GuyCanada:

perhaps ill just get a pvr then

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kormoc:

GuyCanada: if I was you, I'd pick up a pvr150 and use that

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i_is_cat:

probably for the best.. lol

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kormoc:

*happauge pvr 150

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i_is_cat:

i have a pvr150 it works great

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kormoc:

they're cheap, great for that level of cpu power

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i_is_cat:

and it was cheap.. $60

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kormoc:

and no big deal to upgrade later if needed

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GuyCanada:

i thought i reado n the myth wiki that the 150 isnt supported?

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i_is_cat:

if he doesnt have a decent video card he might want to think about the 350 if its available.. since it has the tvout port..

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kormoc:

that's not correct at all

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kormoc:

we've dropped pvr 350 output support

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i_is_cat:

oh well then.. i'll take that back

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GuyCanada:

well ill be getting a new graphics card anyway the current one only has vga out

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i_is_cat:

then get a pvr 150.. its cheap, sets up super simple and has great sd picture quality

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GuyCanada:

THANK YOU ahah thats all im looking for, whats sd picture tho

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kormoc:

Standard Def

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kormoc:

it won't do HD

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GuyCanada:

ahhh wonderful

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GuyCanada:

thats fine

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GuyCanada:

that sounds like what i want

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i_is_cat:

and if you get a boxed version it usually comes with the mceusb ir blaster which lets you control your tv or other device..

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GuyCanada:

thats excelent that sounds like what i want

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GuyCanada:

so will it save me money if i picked up the machine from an enviro depot for 20 bucks and all i need is the tuner card and graphics card

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GuyCanada:

what kind of output would be best for the graphics card? still hdmi even tho im using standard def?

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wagnerrp:

do you have a TV that takes HDMI?

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GuyCanada:

yeah my tvs take hdmi

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wagnerrp:

do you have a video card that outputs HDMI, or lacking that, DVI?

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GuyCanada:

im goign to replace the video card

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GuyCanada:

currently its only VGA

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GuyCanada:

thats what im wondering, what pricepoint will be nescessary for the video card

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wagnerrp:

well you wont be able to replace it with anything worthwhile

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GuyCanada:

and what outputs would be best

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wagnerrp:

not on an old P4 that only supports VGA

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wagnerrp:

erm... AGP

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wagnerrp:

and its an old 478 P4, so its not like you could buy a new 775 board for it

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GuyCanada:

ok well will standard def recording and vga output look at laest as good as standard def tv not runnign through the pc?

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GuyCanada:

or would i be best to run seperate cables for the tv adn the pc and use the pc only for recording and not watching

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wagnerrp:

well youre adding another analog->digital->analog in there, so it will never look as good as a tuner on the tv

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GuyCanada:

ok but reasonble looking

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GuyCanada:

ahaha maybe i should jsut buy a pvr

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tweek__:

these 'bindings' seem to assume rather heavily that mythtv is installed, this script is eventually intended to be run on a FreeBSD server without it installed

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tweek__:

but then, who knows, no documentation

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tweek__:

unless you count the guide on how to install DBI

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Beirdo:

tweek__: the bindings bind the script to mythtv

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Beirdo:

of course mythtv is expected to be installed

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the_true_justice:

hi for all i am trying to install encore usb ENUTV-2 model of the chip TM5600 it is compatible with linux or not and tnx !!!

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tweek__:

all I'd want / need is the ability to query the MySQL database for information about recordings

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tweek__:

and maybe the ability to copy the recordings using NFS or something

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tweek__:

but, no, that's 'a quick hack' or some nonsense and the preferred approach is to use something that hasn't been updated in a while, isn't really used in many places, has little documentation and all-but-requires a full MythTV installation

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the_true_justice:

hi for all i am trying to install encore usb ENUTV-2 model of the chip TM5600 it is compatible with linux or not and tnx !!!

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Beirdo:

tweek__: you gonna keep whining, or do you plan on actually contribute? :) nuvexport has been updated a bit recently

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Beirdo:

and if there were more hours in the day, would be again soon

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wagnerrp:

tweek__: neither the perl nor python bindings require mythtv to be installed locally

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tweek__:

well, if this is any indication of how long the script would last on the wiki if I were to post it after ... well, why the hell is it checking for configuration files every other line

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wagnerrp:

all they need is that config.xml to figure out where the database is

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wagnerrp:

tweek__: for what its worth, the python bindings are maintained pretty actively

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tweek__:

I like python better anyway

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Beirdo:

oO

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wagnerrp:

sphery: got any tips for handling access to innodb tables?

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tweek__:

would be nice to run this on Windows, and maybe use some of the same stuff to transcode MS-DVR files, extract metadata from them, ... commercial cut would be a bit weird

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Beirdo:

Windows?!

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Beirdo:

ugh

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tweek__:

yeah, you know, that thing that does all of this out of the box for you

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wagnerrp:

been running into some problems with people using those sorts of tables with jamu/mirobridge

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wagnerrp:

does it now....

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tweek__:

and works with every cap card out there, basically

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Beirdo:

bah

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Beirdo:

so go use Windows

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tweek__:

I dual-boot, I'd like to record from Fedora too if that's okay with you

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wagnerrp:

mythtv expects its going to have dedicated access to the hardware, to be able to use it whenever it pleases

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wagnerrp:

youre not going to be very happy using it in a dual boot environment

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Beirdo:

I sense more complaining in the future

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Beirdo:

heh

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iamlindoro:

what gives you that idea? the sustained complaining in the near past?

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tweek__:

you're talking about ACPI timers on a HTPC-type setup? I don't use this like that

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: yeah, that would be a good indication, I would think

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tweek__:

do you guys always ask for 'contributions' from people while insulting them

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tweek__:

or trying, anyway

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wagnerrp:

have we ever asked for contributions?

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tweek__:

do I have to scroll up and copy-paste?

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iamlindoro:

tweek__, To be honest, and I think I speak for all of us, your help comes at way too high a price

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not accept money

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iamlindoro:

so speaking officially now, please don't help

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tweek__:

schedulesdirect does

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iamlindoro:

and if at all possible, please don't use MythTV

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wagnerrp:

schedulesdirect != mythtv

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iamlindoro:

schedulesdirect isn't MythTV

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Beirdo:

heh. snicker

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tweek__:

but it's maintained and run by MythTV devs

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iamlindoro:

No, it's not

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Beirdo:

there is some overlap, but it's not like it's a subproject

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iamlindoro:

There are a couple myth devs among the founding group/on the board-- it is actually directly run by *non* myth devs

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iamlindoro:

but way to make a service to the community sound insidious

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iamlindoro:

anyway, again, and I'm asking nicely, please please please go use something else

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tweek__:

not trying, I'm just sick of the 'we don't owe anyone anything, get out of here peasant' attitude

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iamlindoro:

I'll even chip in the $20 "we" lose by losing your "business"

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iamlindoro:

We *don't* owe anyone anything

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tweek__:

especially yuu iaml

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iamlindoro:

least of all those who are a horrible headache to deal with

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iamlindoro:

I don't owe you the time of day, let alone my countless hours on this project

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: still around?

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tweek__:

that's understood, but do you need to spend more time reminding people about it than actually working on things?

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the_true_justice:

any one can recomend me a good usb tv tuner card for linux and mythtv?

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tweek__:

hvr 1600

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wagnerrp:

the_true_justice: what type of input

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iamlindoro:

tweek__, You frankly haven't the foggiest idea how much time I've spent or spend working on things-- and if you wanted to pick a "who contributes" fight, you picked the wrong guy

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wagnerrp:

tweek__: what if he wants to record DVB? or PAL? or anything analog HD?

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k-man:

the_true_justice: for analogue or digital reception?

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Beirdo:

heheh

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wagnerrp:

tweek__: not to mention that /card/ is not /USB/

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the_true_justice:

k-man : analogue !!!!

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tweek__:

whoops, didn't notice the USB bit

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wagnerrp:

the_true_justice: we need to know what you want to record before we can recommend something

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wagnerrp:

theres half a dozen different standards to choose from

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jamesd2:

TFW, Error: safe_write(): File I/O errcnt: 2

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jamesd2:

eno: Input/output error (5) <--- needs better error information... like what file or at least filesystem it happened on...

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k-man:

the_true_justice: i think HDHomerun has an analogue version, and personally that's what I would get, but I have the digital version of the HDHR so can't really comment

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wagnerrp:

there is no analog HDHomeRun

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k-man:

the_true_justice: i'd choose something that's not usb personaly, i have had problems with usb tuners in the past

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k-man:

wagnerrp: hm... i thought there was but i must have thought wrong

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wagnerrp:

so you want to capture analog tv in... columbia?

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the_true_justice:

+wagnerrp yap :)

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wagnerrp:

looks like youre NTSC

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wagnerrp:

so that would be a WinTV-PVR-USB

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Beirdo:

Colombia?! seriously? nice

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the_true_justice:

+wagnerrp colombia yap i use NTSC !!!!

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k-man:

the_true_justice: why do you want USB specificaly?

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wagnerrp:

those are no longer sold retail, but you can usually pick them up used

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the_true_justice:

k-man because i am working on caracol tv station !!!

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wagnerrp:

you either want that or the (much more expensive) HVR-1950

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wagnerrp:

there are other cheaper USB tuners, but theyre all going to be framegrabbers

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wagnerrp:

you dont want to use a framegrabber with mythtv

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the_true_justice:

+wagnerrp WinTV-HVR-1950 for NTSC, ATSC and clear QAM TV is compatible with linux os

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wagnerrp:

yes, fully compatible with linux/mythtv

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wagnerrp:

but also rather expensive, especially if you dont have any digital tv stations to use it with

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GuyCanada:

if i were to get a new in box wintv pvr 150 on ebay but it doesnt come with a remote can a universal remote easily be programmed for a tv tuner card?

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k-man:

the_true_justice: sorry, still don't understand why it has to be a USB tuner as such

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k-man:

is there an analogue equivalent of an HDHR?

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wagnerrp:

GuyCanada: if it doesnt come with a remote, it probably wont come with an IR receiver either, so the question is moot

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Beirdo:

tweek__: if you are still around, I'd still be interested in seeing your script... it could help us add functionality to nuvexport

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tweek__:

according to whoever-it-was, it's not done yet because it uses 'direct SQL hacking'

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Beirdo:

it may not be done, but whatever.

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tweek__:

here's the WIP: http://codepad.org/pXq3Dwsi

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k-man:

tweek__: i missed it, what is your script's purpose?

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wagnerrp:

yes, its preferred to use the bindings wherever possible, if for no other reason than to automatically pick up the credentials to access the database

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Beirdo:

if you are interested in having the stuff supported in nuvexport... we can see what we can do

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tweek__:

I've got it running on a long queue of video files, it all seems to work out nicely for now

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GuyCanada:

wagnerrp im pretty sure the wintv pvr 150 has anotehr version that comes iwth a remote and i think it has an IR reciever, if it did have an IR reciever would it be programmable with a universal remote?

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wagnerrp:

GuyCanada: that depends entirely on whether the universal remote in question supports the codes used by the IR receiver

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tweek__:

wagnerrp: no, really, thanks for telling me about this perl module, this saves me some work in getting MPG files copied over

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GuyCanada:

thanks wagnerrp, how likely do you think that is? just a ballpark figure or something

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wagnerrp:

i didnt recommend it, i came in to the conversation much after that

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wagnerrp:

GuyCanada: no clue

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GuyCanada:

ok thanks

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tweek__:

k-man: basically it runs FFmpeg and MP4Box and such automatically to transcode media into a format that can be played on your iPod, complete with subtitles, commercial clipping, and iTunes-compatible metadata

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k-man:

tweek__: that sounds cool

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tweek__:

no idea how to do the same for Windows Media Player / explorer, you'd think after five years there'd be some sort of standard tag

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wagnerrp:

yeah, there is no metadata standard for video formats

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wagnerrp:

nothing like id3 anyway

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Beirdo:

OK, time for me to finally leave work

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Beirdo:

bleh

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k-man:

can you jump to mythnetvision using the telnet socket interface?

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the_true_justice:

+wagnerrp this is the best one (WinTV-HVR-1950) or exit more better that is compatible with os because i want capture for tv station and i want to capture a good resolution of image !!!

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the_true_justice:

+wagnerrp this is the best one (WinTV-HVR-1950) or exit more better that is compatible with linux os because i want capture for tv station and i want to capture a good resolution of image !!!

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wagnerrp:

the_true_justice: the 1950 and the pvr-usb are the only two USB MPEG encoders

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wagnerrp:

MPEG encoder being something that outputs a pre-compressed mpeg stream

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wagnerrp:

rather than framegrabbers, which require a lot of power in the backend, and some hassle to get set up and working

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wagnerrp:

the 1950 is basically a pvr-usb and an ATSC tuner strapped together

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k-man:

my experience with usb tuners is that if anything crashes the USB subsystem, you'll have to reboot before your tuner will work again.... this would happen on my old machine once a month or so

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k-man:

it maybe better now but imho if you want reliability, i would steer clear of USB tuners

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Azelphur:

Hi, I have a bunch of files, originally called 103 – title (Season 1, episode 3), unsurprisingly mythtv thought this was episode 103, so I changed all the titles to be S01E03 – Title, did a scan for changes, however mythtv still thinks that it's episode 103 instead of 03, what should I be doing to fix this?

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k-man:

are there ethernet based mpeg encoder capture devices?

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iamlindoro:

Azelphur, reset metadata on the item

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wagnerrp:

Azelphur: 0.23 now does file hashing, so it can recognize renamed recordings (and keep the metadata)

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wagnerrp:

either individually reset the metadata as iamlindoro suggests

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the_true_justice:

ahhhhhhhhhhh ok !!!

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tweek__:

what exactly crashes the USB subsystem? only time I run into those sorts of problems is with EMI in embedded scenarios with ... gumstix and such

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wagnerrp:

or move the whole folder somewhere mythvideo cannot see it, and rescan, to flush them out

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: ty :)

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tweek__:

I'll agree that USB tuners suck though

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iamlindoro:

or perhaps more simply, just hit "e" on the item, and set the season and episode number manually

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Azelphur:

I'll take wagnerrp's suggestion, 5 seasons of manual setting, do not want.

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k-man:

tweek__: i never solved what was causing the crashes – but i suspect the usb chipset on that mb was crap... since then that machine has died and i have switched to an HDHomerun for capture....

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tweek__:

there are some scripts on the wiki that query internet TV databases for information like that

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J-e-f-f-A:

tweek__: depends on what kind of USB tuner... the HD-PVR is pure beauty. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

although it's not really a 'tuner' but an external encoder... ;-)

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the_true_justice:

+wagnerrp i need to buy WinTV-HVR-1950 because i have usb encore enutv-2 and does not work on my linux os !!!

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k-man:

the_true_justice: i still don't understand why it has to be a USB device, can you not use a network or PCI tuner?

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tweek__:

probably has a notebook

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k-man:

he could still use an ethernet tuner.... if one exists for analogue

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the_true_justice:

k-man because i have notebook

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k-man:

the_true_justice: ah ok

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k-man:

where is the code for the telnet socket interface in mythfrontend?

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[R]:

k-man: like the parser?

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tweek__:

schedulesdirect doesn't provide program info for digital 480p channels that are also broadcast in analog (this happens in WMC7 too)

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tweek__:

is there a way to tell mythtv to use the analog channel programming data for the digital channels that they mirror?

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[R]:

tweek__: you can set the xmltvid manually in the channel editor

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wagnerrp:

k-man: mythtv/programs/mythfrontend/networkcontrol.cpp

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sphery:

wagnerrp: what kind of handling for innodb tables?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: more of 'do i bother at all, or just enable autocommit and call it a day'

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tweek__:

thanks, I'll try setting those

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sphery:

well, with a default DB, only the mythweather stuff will be innodb--all the rest myisam

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sphery:

is there a difference in how they're treated when accessing from python or something?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but this is twice now weve run into problems with JAMU not doing anything

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wagnerrp:

it goes through, makes all the necessary database updates

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wagnerrp:

and then terminates, rolling back all the transactional changes rather than committing them

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sphery:

so this is for users who manually changed the storage engine for those tables?

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wagnerrp:

supposedly

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wagnerrp:

i dont know how they would end up with innodb otherwise

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sphery:

I'd say enable autocommit

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wagnerrp:

where each 'execute' command automatically issues a commit

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sphery:

ttbomk, we don't do any commit/rollback in the C++ code, so I wonder if the Qt drivers handle non-committal differently.

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sphery:

yeah, if the python drivers or the DB is rolling back uncommitted changes for Python, then I guess autocommit would be the way to make it work like the rest

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sphery:

(unless, of course, these people have actually broken their DB's for even the C++/Qt code :)

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wagnerrp:

heres the first time it showed up back in february... http://mythtv,org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010 . . . /281958.html

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sphery:

heh, mythtv,org :)

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k-man:

wagnerrp: thanks for the pointe

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k-man:

r

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wagnerrp:

and it was someone who had intentional forced mysql over to innodb

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wagnerrp:

as you can tell, its a whopping one line

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sphery:

yeah, users have done that to "optimize" the DB

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sphery:

so now we're stuck working with it

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wagnerrp:

by making it... slower?

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sphery:

(another reason I need to get the embedded DB stuff going)

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wagnerrp:

i mean if youve not actually designed the program to operate transactionally, it does nothing but slow things down

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wagnerrp:

but users know best, eh?

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[R]:

the customer is always right!

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[R]:

:)

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sphery:

yep!

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wagnerrp:

no, the customer is wrong and an idoit

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wagnerrp:

groups of customers are always right

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wagnerrp:

but no one cares about the individual

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[R]:

lol

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: got another fun problem, every now and again the frontend locks up while I'm scanning for metadata, I killed it, and now I'm in a fun situation where the episodes it was trying to download metadata for, it refuses to download metadata for them anymore :(

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Azelphur:

so no cover art, the description seems to be ok though

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wagnerrp:

probably because those files already exist, theyre just either empty or incomplete

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Azelphur:

I tried hitting reset metadata, shouldn't that delete the files?

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** wagnerrp hands that one off to iamlindoro **

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iamlindoro:

no, reset metadata does not delete the files

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Azelphur:

how would I go about purging that then?

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iamlindoro:

rm filename

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Azelphur:

iamlindoro: yea, but where are they stored?

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iamlindoro:

in the directories you set for them

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Azelphur:

I never set one, so it'll still be the default

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wagnerrp:

there is no default

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wagnerrp:

if one was set for you, your distro did so

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** Azelphur blames mythbuntu **

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Azelphur:

found it.

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tweek__:

wow you weren't kidding, the python bindings have actual documentation

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the_true_justice:

tnx for help +wagnerrp k-man tweek__ have a good night !!!

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tweek__:

I didn't do anything but suggest a non-USB card, but hope your TV works out

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den0ts_:

http://flowplayer.org/forum/5/42450

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den0ts_:

anyone know how to fix that?

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den0ts_:

im trying to get mythweb streaming to android 2.2 with flash

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nils_:

den0ts_: appears to be some authentication thing

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nils_:

den0ts_: the apache error log, digest is an authentication method

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nils_:

den0ts_: some browsers don't support that very well

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wagnerrp:

den0ts_: it all boils down to that being a feature request

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wagnerrp:

den0ts_: if you disable the apache login, does it work?

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sphery:

not to mention the fact that the MythWeb Flash streaming is an unsupported proof-of-concept that's disabled by default and can only be enabled on a page with a big red warning saying it's not expected to even work and take it as it is

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Pluribus:

Sigh, any know a relatively painless way to delete a whole of duplicate entries from mythvideo? (I suspect they got added when I doing the initial move to storage groups.) Scanning for changes does kill them.

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Pluribus:

er whole mess of duplicate entries.

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sphery:

and does not kill them?

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Pluribus:

Nope, the dupe entries have different intid's but same hash

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sphery:

I'd recommend you remove all directories from your videos storage group and from your mythvideo directories list and then rescan

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sphery:

then put the directories into one or the other (local dir list or storage groups), and rescan again

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sphery:

i.e. clear it out by removing all dirs with the files from mythvideo config

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sphery:

then put dirs back and scan to actually find them

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Pluribus:

I assume it will kill all my metadata then? :-(

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

w

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sphery:

or jamu

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highzeth:

den0ts_: I do think mythdroid got something cooking for streaming in its latest 'trunk', not tried it myself, so cant say how well it works

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Pluribus:

That is what I was afraid of... Lots of videos that arent on tmdb :-( Guess I live with it for now and write an exporter for the metadata...

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highzeth:

den0ts_: http://mythdroid.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/mdd/mdd

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wagnerrp:

Pluribus: is one entry populated and the other empty?

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Pluribus:

In some cases yes, but not most. Although it looks like one is usually better populated than the rest.

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Pluribus:

Most are pure duplicates except for the intid. (which causes them to show up twice)

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wagnerrp:

if you know a bit of python, you can pull all the entries into a list, sort by hash, and then pick which one to keep and delete the other

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wagnerrp:

could be done in <30 lines

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Pluribus:

Only worry is what other cruft will be left in the DB. The nuking the storage group will cause it to purge it all. (at least it SHOULD) which is really the better choice, I just cringe at redoing the metadata.

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sphery:

Pluribus: how about this totally crazy idea... add the other videos to TMDB (assuming they're not home videos or something)

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iamlindoro:

sacrilege!

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iamlindoro:

Information just wants to be free (for me, and provided by others!)

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sphery:

heh

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tweek__:

the next time someone tells me 'your information wants to be free', I think I'm going to rummage through their credit card statements and commit identity fraud

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Pluribus:

What would be cool is a script like jamu but in reverse :-) I think I will just save the videometadata table so i can see exactly what tmdb doesnt have.

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wagnerrp:

Pluribus: push information back onto the data sites?

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Pluribus:

If thier API permitted it, why not? (Granted most dont)

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wagnerrp:

batch updating like that is a bad idea

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tweek__:

just to clarify, these unique program IDs in the mythconverg database

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wagnerrp:

are completely arbitrary

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tweek__:

they can't be found in tmdb or imdb or zap2it or anything useful

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Beirdo:

mmmm, beer

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wagnerrp:

zap2it, yes... as they are the source of those unique program IDs

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wagnerrp:

more specifically, tribune media services

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Pluribus:

I can see why an unattended batch upload would be bad, but why would it be bad to allow an interactive upload of data? (IE – the movie doesnt exist on the remote site, allow you to upload, Isnt that pretty much how the CDDB got built?

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wagnerrp:

Pluribus: pushing new content to the sites through mythvideo would be great

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tweek__:

I thought cddb was an interface to a bunch of various CD information databases

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iamlindoro:

which presumes you wrote all the content you are pushing

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wagnerrp:

but you would have to be careful of just what data you sent, lest you overwrite something you shouldnt

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tweek__:

and that most of them (the one jaikoz uses especially) are filled with all sorts of junk

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wagnerrp:

and there is the legality issue too

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wagnerrp:

for instance, you couldnt push your listings data onto TMDB/TTVDB

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wagnerrp:

you could, but it would put those sites at risk

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Beirdo:

beer... the cause of and solution to the problems of humanity

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Pluribus:

The listing data is a no brainer... we pay tribune for it effectively, I was mainly wondering about TMDB TTVDB would be harder due to the metadata pollution from the other sites the data is pulled from.

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wagnerrp:

Pluribus: no, you pay for your personal use of that data

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wagnerrp:

you do not pay for the right to republish that data

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Pluribus:

That is what I am saying...

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Pluribus:

We pay for the right to use it NOT publish it.

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tweek__:

what's to stop someone from looking data up on various other sources, or just making it up, and sending it

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wagnerrp:

the agreement you sign when you register an account to say you wont

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I heard a rumor (but haven't checked) that some people are starting to add TMS programid's and seriesid's to ttvdb. AIUI, the TMS series/program IDs are proprietary and copyrighted, so...

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wagnerrp:

and hopefully, the rest of the community to clean up garbage and infractions

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Beirdo:

and my trout....

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

Anyway, until I can find someone who knows more about the legal/ToS status of using those IDs outside of the TMS data, I'm afraid to look at ttvdb

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YeOldeBanneHamme:

better

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Beirdo:

heh

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Pluribus:

Yeah, the TV data is pretty rough. I stick with schedulesdirect. Works great for me.

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** Beirdo wields a trout and looks for a target **

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Pluribus:

LOL

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sphery:

and technically, we don't pay for listings

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sphery:

we pay SD for a membership and one of the free perks of membership is TV listings data

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wagnerrp:

i dont see anywhere to add that to either site, unless theyre repurposing the IMDB or production code

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sphery:

cool, I hope that's the case

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sphery:

(that it's not on the site/not being used outside of TMS listings)

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wagnerrp:

it would be great if we could use them, would make migrating recordings to mythvideo much easier

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sphery:

agreed

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wagnerrp:

as well as supplementing TMS data with that from ttvdb/tmdb

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wagnerrp:

for recordings

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sphery:

might need a community-created unique id

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

just what we need... more ids ;)

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sphery:

we could use NNTP to distribute them

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sphery:

maybe the cloud...

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Beirdo:

OMG, like anyone knows how to use nntp these days :)

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** wagnerrp last used the nntps back in '98 **

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Beirdo:

be nice if the mailing lists were nntp instead

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Beirdo:

tin FTW

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wagnerrp:

no, before that... i was still on dialup when i last used those

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Beirdo:

recompiling mythtv after the weekend's flurry

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sphery:

Beirdo: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/275717#275717

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sphery:

that whole thread was fun

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sphery:

not quite "rewrote MythTV in Perl" fun, but still fun

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

!seen baylink

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MythLogBot:

baylink was last seen 198 days 6 hours 1 minute 27 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

that recent?

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sphery:

wow

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wagnerrp:

i dont think ive EVER seen him around

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Beirdo:

I see him on twitter a lot

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

!trout Beirdo fail... whale...

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a fail... whale... trout on behalf of wagnerrp... **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

!salmon wagnerrp retribution

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** MythLogBot connects with the head of wagnerrp with a retribution salmon on behalf of Beirdo... **

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sphery:

!url devices

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MythLogBot:

No match for keyword devices

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sphery:

oh, I already forgot what it is... hardware?

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** iamlindoro sets /mode +b on *!*@* **

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iamlindoro:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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sphery:

tuners! thanks

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

gotta get that one up high on the jams stats

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Beirdo:

ooooh. NCIS

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wagnerrp:

so did TMDB reset their change count when they updated the site?

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wagnerrp:

i know ive edited a couple dozen movies

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wagnerrp:

but its only showing the one i created

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iamlindoro:

you only get credit for the ones you create

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sphery:

you need to keep editing movies or your frequent-editor miles expire

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iamlindoro:

but you can see the stats on the right side of your stats page for modifications

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iamlindoro:

I dunno if they reset them though

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wagnerrp:

yeah, im just listing 1

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iamlindoro:

sounds like maybe so then

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sphery:

anyone know of a way to make it so no one knows you created the one you created?

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iamlindoro:

haha

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wagnerrp:

get yourself banned

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iamlindoro:

stop renting B movies if you don't want people to know

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sphery:

it was a /terrible/ less-than-B movie

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

but it's only $1 on Red Box

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wagnerrp:

killer klowns from outer space?

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sphery:

100 Million BC

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sphery:

a movie about traveling 79 million years into the past

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sphery:

(really :)

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Beirdo:

ummm, that makes no mathematical sense

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

just one of the things that a B movie's fact checker would have caught

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** iamlindoro feels proud to have manufactured the fanart for that one for sphery **

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Beirdo:

I mean, come on... the title gives it away, no?

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sphery:

true... that is nice fan art

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wagnerrp:

sphery: by time travellers from... 21 million years BC?

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Beirdo:

sphery: what, a pile of manure? :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: wow, that might be--they were Greybeards from Atlantis

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sphery:

Beirdo: that would have been more appropriate

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

sphery: lucky for you, the changelog is blank

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Beirdo:

why do I feel the need for a pizza?

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sphery:

nice... maybe they lost it in the update :)

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wagnerrp:

'indianerland'?

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sphery:

Beirdo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Million_BC – "The film centers on a group of Navy SEALs, led by American Dr. Frank Reno (Michael Gross), who once worked on the Philadelphia Experiment. The film begins in 2008, when Reno has purportedly perfected time travel technology. The SEALs use it to travel backwards to the year 70,000,000 B.C. (despite the movie's title) of the Cretaceous Period, in order to rescue a previous, 1949 expedition led by ...

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sphery:

... Reno's brother Erik (Christopher Atkins)."

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Beirdo:

hehh

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Beirdo:

that does sound like a turd

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sphery:

guess it was 70 even, not 79, but still wrong

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Beirdo:

but for $1 from Redbox... hehe

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sphery:

I thought it might be good. I generally like Michael Gross

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Beirdo:

still overpriced

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** wagnerrp thinks these germans need to stop adding english keywords **

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sphery:

yeah, I don't begrudge the $1 I paid for it, but I don't want to be seen as a fan of the movie :)

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Beirdo:

understood

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wagnerrp:

time travel? masters of the universe didnt have time travel

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** iamlindoro crowns himself the king of metadata **

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iamlindoro:

quake before me, pitiful metadata sources!

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sphery:

strange thing is that I didn't see a single Graboid in 100M BC

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Pluribus:

Ok, videometadata table dumped... wish me luck, going to nuke the storage group setup and rescan. Hopefully my dupes will vanish.

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: youll need a crown... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuOvqeABHvQ#t=4m05s

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iamlindoro:

indeed I will

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Beirdo:

am I the only person that is somewhat annoyed that mythtv has some files that take more than a screen-worth to display the compile command for a file?

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Beirdo:

can we not use a config.h?

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

about half of it is -Dthis and -Dthat

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[R]:

Beirdo: so fix it

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Beirdo:

make a config.h with that crap in int.

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Beirdo:

in it rather

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Beirdo:

heh, don't tempt me

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[R]:

lol

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** [R] chants **

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[R]:

patch it

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[R]:

patch it

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Beirdo:

not right now

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Beirdo:

too busy drinking Belgian-style beer

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Beirdo:

I have my priorities :)

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[R]:

lol

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oobe:

look someone hasnt secured mythweb http://www.globeric.com/mythweb/tv/upcoming

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iamlindoro:

Nice of you to announce it in a publicly logged IRC channel

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oobe:

yes i thought so

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iamlindoro:

Oh wait, I forgot, that's actually a pretty douche-y thing to do

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: wanna borrow a trout?

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iamlindoro:

I prefer my other tool

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Beirdo:

heh

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oobe:

it came up searching for this error

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oobe:

Warning at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/remote/handler.php, line 104:

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Beirdo:

taken outta context, that's pretty funny

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Beirdo:

that's not an error

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Beirdo:

that's a warning

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wagnerrp:

theres some google search that will reveal hundreds of unsecured myth boxes

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wagnerrp:

i forget what it is off hand

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Beirdo:

probably "stupid mythtv user"

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Beirdo:

hehe

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oobe:

yea there is most likely loads of ways of doing it

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[R]:

theres a show called "Secure Your Mythweb"?

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oobe:

it wouldnt be hard

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[R]:

how awesome is htat

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iamlindoro:

[R], there is now

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[R]:

HAHA

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iamlindoro:

A Five minute manual recording from nowhere tends to get people's attention

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Beirdo:

as a subtitle...

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Beirdo:

G.W. Bush's Smartest Quotes

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[R]:

i've been tempted to put a password, restrict by ip, and make my mythweb world accessible

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Beirdo:

that should fill all 5 minutes... and not much more

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oobe:

isnt it possible some indexing bot can click all the links including delete this schedule and delete this recording

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Beirdo:

I dunno

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wagnerrp:

used to be

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wagnerrp:

got fixed so that wouldnt happen a couple years ago

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oobe:

oh ok

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Beirdo:

if he's WATCHING his httpd logs, he'll see google scrape it though

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justinh:

heh I remember hearing about that

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: who does that

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** justinh does, but he's weird **

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Beirdo:

only anal sysadmins... :)

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highzeth:

deletion via web gets a 'are you sure' pop-up =)

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justinh:

it's ok though.. you should see the amount of totally unsecured CCTV DVRs on the web. rather a lot turn out to be made by the outfit I work for

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justinh:

it's kinda cool being able to direct street cameras in some remote city or other

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[R]:

lol

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oobe:

Beirdo, do you think someone who leaves everything on default and doesnt make a password then goes through and reads all his logs

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justinh:

even when they're password protected there's an easy URL you can feed one to get in the back way

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Beirdo:

no, probably not

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highzeth:

I have fond memories of the first print job I sent to some uni in germany many moons ago. They have become better there, it just takes time ;)

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justinh:

don't get me wrong.. our softies are well aware of the holes – they're just not seen as high priority by management

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** Beirdo remembers doing cat /proc/kcore > /dev/ttyXXX to unsecured login ttys at university **

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iamlindoro:

no iamlindoro, MythGeneticTree is not a widget in MythUI

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justinh:

lol

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Beirdo:

bleeepity bleepity blleeeeep

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highzeth:

hehehe

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wagnerrp:

highzeth: i would occasionally do that to people who had their printers shared on resnet in the forms

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justinh:

iamlindoro: pah, sure it is.. in the MythDNASynthesiser plugin

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iamlindoro:

heh

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Beirdo:

I used to get my friends with that one

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Beirdo:

until they learned msg n

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Beirdo:

or was it mesg n

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oobe:

Encoder 4 is local on server and is recording 'YOUR Mythweb is unsecured the whole world can access it' on DR1. This recording is scheduled to end at 7:23 AM.

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Beirdo:

heh..

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wagnerrp:

s/forms/dorms/

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justinh:

iiiiiiiiiiit's aliiiiiiiiiiiiiiive!

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highzeth:

wagnerrp: hehe fun times

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Beirdo:

oh... and maximized xeyes to their X logins

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Beirdo:

silly people using xhost + in a university unix lab

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justinh:

it always worries me whenever I look at other people's mythwebs... how little local programming they all seem to have – and even more disturbing.. how many take UK soap operas :-\

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Beirdo:

got one classmate in crap with his girlfriend using xv with some choice porn...

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

oh, I guess I was a bastard in university :)

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justinh:

lol

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wagnerrp:

where ever this guy lives, he sure seems to have a lot of channel with semi-naked men

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Beirdo:

hmm, what else...

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Beirdo:

oh yeah, they used to reboot the DEC Alpha at 6am every day

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justinh:

wagnerrp: I'd prefer that to some of the channels we've got on cable. Red Hot Wives 40+ for example. Shudder

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Beirdo:

had to clean up the zombies that OSF/1 wouldn't clean up

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wagnerrp:

HAHAH

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wagnerrp:

there it is... porn recorded early monday morning

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Beirdo:

so... I did a fork bomb to keep it from rebooting one night

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Beirdo:

as I was usually IN the lab at 6am

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wagnerrp:

and early wednesday morning

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justinh:

wagnerrp: Skyagra?

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wagnerrp:

'Kung-Fu Nurses a Go-Go', that sounds like a winner

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Beirdo:

oh, and a note to all would-be university sysadmins

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Beirdo:

DON'T use 10Base-2 in your lab

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Beirdo:

net goes down... net goes up....

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Beirdo:

T connectors are fun

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justinh:

Skyagra (noun): A quick flick through the satellite TV channels before bedtime, made by a middle-aged gentleman in search of something to boost his flagging sex-drive.

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, s/in university//

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[R]:

wagnerrp: haha, did you notice that stuff is with a 'private' recording group

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justinh:

people still use 10Base-2? :-O

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wagnerrp:

justinh: nah, these are proper recordings, couple hours each

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Beirdo:

some do

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

94 recordings in 'Private', 137 in 'Default'

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

in not-so-private

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[R]:

lol

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justinh:

oh these europeans & their liberal-mindedness

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[R]:

HAHA

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justinh:

these europeans whose attitudes are so much more er... enlightened.. and yet strangely their countries appear to have much lower teenage pregnancy rates, etc

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Beirdo:

oooh, those Brits and their stiff upper lips

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why these things have such long descriptions

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Beirdo:

yeah, imagine that corrolation

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wagnerrp:

i big long paragraph on a plot that no one will pay attention to

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wagnerrp:

a/i/a/

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justinh:

and yet over here.. and over there.. where people show the tiniest amount of boob on telly & there's ludicrous outcry

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justinh:

wagnerrp: heh I never did figure out why they even bother having stories

[05:31:00]

wagnerrp:

'The award winning director, Mark Dorcel, has created a surreal world that is unlike anything else'

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highzeth:

come on, think of the actors/actresses, its for them, not their audience

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wagnerrp:

they have porn awards?

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justinh:

oh noes! my boiler has broken down. Who will I get to come & fix it? Cue funky music complete with 10% wow... a door opens..

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Beirdo:

they are likely the Woody Awards

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highzeth:

not Holly Woody?

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wagnerrp:

here one about a ladies detective agency in botswana

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[R]:

wagnerrp: of course they do... didnht youever see the girl next door?

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highzeth:

wagnerrp: something something and the travelling pants?

[05:34:02]

highzeth:

no, thats not it, I did watch a movie(no pron) with that story line

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wagnerrp:

someone suffers a car crash passes out, and wakes up in a strange manor.... thats worse than the broken water heater

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justinh:

I just don't understand why 'Number 1 Ladies' Detective Agency' got so much praise

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wagnerrp:

HAHAHA... nurses help a man in a wheelchair stand upright

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[R]:

wagnerrp: is that seriously what one says?

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highzeth:

riight, justinh thats the one =)

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justinh:

TV X started putting descriptions on their EIT

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justinh:

they're funny too

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highzeth:

somehow I mixed up the title with the sisterhood of the travelling pants(or similar)

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justinh:

but I dunno why they even bother using asterisks

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wagnerrp:

heres one in the future... the year 2077

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[R]:

wagnerrp: you're having a little too much fun

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Beirdo:

you trolling European pr0n on that guy's setup?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

christmas party at a cheese manufacturing plant???

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

that will be a cheesy movie

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wagnerrp:

ba dum tschhhh

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justinh:

http://imagebin.ca/img/W_9_OjoI.jpg ... basically FTA with mythtv involved.. if you have interactive disabled

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Beirdo:

hehe

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[R]:

how are you 'force to play kinky games to stay alive'

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[R]:

haha

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justinh:

oh noes! please don't make me!

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** Beirdo waits for someone to complain that they can't get to the site in the snapshot **

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Beirdo:

heh, but they only do so for 10min

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wagnerrp:

im baffled by some of the slang

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wagnerrp:

i cant think of a word to match what they star'd out

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[R]:

215 – 235

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[R]:

whats that last word

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Beirdo:

shagged

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[R]:

that's a swear?

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

not really

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[R]:

"You bet she can!"

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wagnerrp:

i mean we put it in a movie name, and advertised it on tv

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

we sell it on carpets

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justinh:

I've considered complaining to OFCOM about that channel, cos all that will appear on any freeview STB's EPG

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justinh:

and it's not really censoring words putting 2 asterisks in the middle

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highzeth:

wagnerrp: googling intitle: "MythTV Backend Status" are we?

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

it's too obvious what the data is

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wagnerrp:

highzeth: nah, oobe posted the link

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justinh:

reminds me of when Scott Mills started bleeping ordinary sound clips to make them sound nasty.. that was hilarious

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highzeth:

ahh k

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wagnerrp:

im just perusing the (quite large) collection of porn recordings

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[R]:

wagnerrp: THATS what she said

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highzeth:

found a few that was open via that search, heh

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** Beirdo yawns **

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haffe:

Hey ho, hey ho. It's off to work wego.

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[R]:

blah... they STILL don't have the uncensored version of southpark 201 online yet

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Beirdo:

work is overrated

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Beirdo:

I'm sure I'll think otherwise tomorrow morning :)

[05:50:31]

Beirdo:

make that... working is overrated

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Beirdo:

however, getting paid isn't

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[R]:

ll

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

we were trying to come up with some place i can go on vacation today

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Beirdo:

Antartica

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highzeth:

[R]: MTV that sells it to one of our national tv stations wouldnt allow them access to the uncensored either, I do-not get it.

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

MTV sucks

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Beirdo:

it used to be Music TV related... I swear now... it's Moron TV

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Beirdo:

and I miss Beavis & Butthead

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[R]:

lol

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highzeth:

they re-sell the series over here thats all I know. Only MTV Germany I record from on occasions, Rock Am Ring they air live fi. Rest is rubbish

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justinh:

they still make Beavis & Butthead – but they ruined it by making it live action & calling it Jackass

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justinh:

oops no that was butthead & butthead

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

jackass is hysterical though

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justinh:

inspired a guy I know in passing (who granted, isn't of a very high IQ) to make his own version

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[R]:

oh man, why are people so stupid?

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[R]:

so its not just americans that are that stupid?

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justinh:

I turned down the demo dvd of it that he took to a few tv companies

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wagnerrp:

remember, the french started that whole thing with running along the rooftops

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justinh:

parkour? nah that's way cool

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wagnerrp:

but at least theyre not /trying/ to get themselves horribly maimed

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wagnerrp:

justinh: it looks cool when someone can actually do it

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[R]:

i had never heard of it

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[R]:

until The Office

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[R]:

was it popular?

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wagnerrp:

but for every one that can, youve got at least a dozen in the hospital with broken bones

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wagnerrp:

or worse

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wagnerrp:

Mirrors Edge is basically that in video game form

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wagnerrp:

(with guns and hand-to-hand-combat)

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justinh:

heh. you basically need the spatial awareness of a cat to survive

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highzeth:

Parkour can be amazing, I stick to jumping over a few steps, and thats on a good day

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Beirdo:

Jackass sucks... At least it's aptly named

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justinh:

oh great. bbc breakfast news is coming from whitehaven this morning

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Beirdo:

hmm?

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justinh:

like presenting news about a mass shooting from the place it happens will deepen the viewer's understanding

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justinh:

guy went nuts with guns yesterday, taking out 12 people

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Beirdo:

oh

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justinh:

killed 12, injured 25

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highzeth:

taxi driver, no?

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Beirdo:

wow, you have tards like that over there too?

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justinh:

oh yeah

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: supposedly the worst in like 15 years

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Beirdo:

I can believe it

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Beirdo:

I was too busy actually working... heh

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Beirdo:

I do like my new job, BTW

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highzeth:

yeah, -96 16 kids & teacher, -87 16

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iamlindoro:

4 files changed, 469 insertions(+), 1278 deletions(-)

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iamlindoro:

mmmm, new metadata handling, it's not just a good idea, it's the law

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Beirdo:

jeez.

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highzeth:

-96 shooting was in Scotland I believe

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wagnerrp:

metalaw?

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iamlindoro:

Hell, at ~1000 lines less, videodlg.cpp is almost readable

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Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

coolios!

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justinh:

rats. have to go to a cash machine to get some money for the carpet fitter in a sec

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justinh:

paying CASH for a service. heh

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under the table... er carpet?

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justinh:

Beirdo: heheh

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justinh:

only costing £30 for the actual fitting. Not even worth me considering doing it myself

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justinh:

nice time to have a couple of days off work too. For a change :)

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justinh:

hmmm. wonder if I'll have to drill any holes to mount the 2.5" HDD in the frontend

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justinh:

I remember it has 3.5" holes but not if it has 2.5" centres

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justinh:

oh dear. no 2.5" holes at all. where's me drill?

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k-man:

with the "play recording on frontend" option in mythweb, i don't get given the option, the text is there but no link or anything to click to make it play the recording

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test4:

hello , it looks like my database or mysql is not working , because it says "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysql/mysql.sock' " what can i do ?

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test4:

HELP ! I've got the no upnp error .. / Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysql/mysql.sock'

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justinh:

lemme guess. another ubuntu user

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Kazan:

lol does ubuntu do something stupid with mysql?

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justinh:

not really, but it *does* randomise mysql passwords – it also tells the user the randomised password if they've not set one themselves

[12:24:09]

justinh:

and if a user isn't paying enough attention when they install... er.. whoops

[12:24:14]

jarle:

Is the distinction between description and subtitle a part of the dvb EIT standard? Where is it documented? my provider keep switching between using description and subtitle for the same show...

[12:24:47]

Kazan:

raging newbs? in my ubuntu users mailing list? it's more likely than you think!

[12:24:53]

** Kazan uses fedora :D **

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justinh:

jarle: AFAIK there's no provision for subtitles in the DVB spec. mythtv has 'fixups' to differentiate them

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jarle:

justinh: so EIT is just a block of data, and mythtv decides what to put as the title, subtitle and description?

[12:28:50]

jarle:

justinh: I know about the fixup done in eitfixup.cpp, I was just wondering what the original EIT data looks like..

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justinh:

jarle: description is its own field IIRC

[12:29:21]

justinh:

but the title/subtitle are all one field I think

[12:29:59]

justinh:

maybe it varies from country to country or between broadcasters

[12:30:15]

justinh:

I know for sure that in the UK there's no subtitle as such

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jarle:

justinh: ok, I'll have a closer look at the source code

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esperegu:

I am trying VDR but I have a related question: anyone knows the channels.conf lines for BBC HD and ITV HD ?

[12:38:30]

wagnerrp:

mythtv does not use a channels.conf

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esperegu:

wagnerrp: except when u import it ;-)

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esperegu:

wagnerrp: but you still would need the correct settings.....

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justinh:

and this is not #vdr :)

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wagnerrp:

most people dont, as it usually ends up with poor results

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justinh:

nor it is #vdr-users

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esperegu:

justinh: I know. but since that channel does not exist and I would think that also mythtv users would want to watch BBC HD and ITV HD I thought I would ask...

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wagnerrp:

esperegu: nearly all mythtv users will use the internal scanner, which would mean they never see the information needed to build a channels.conf

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wagnerrp:

at most, they may scan a pre-tuned transponder

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esperegu:

wagnerrp: the problem is that BBC and ITV seem to send in a way that it is hard to automatically scan for the channels.

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jarle:

esperegu: http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html

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jarle:

esperegu: there you'll see which transponder BBC HD is at...

[12:47:17]

esperegu:

jarle: yeah. I know

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jarle:

esperegu: I haven't had any problems getting it through mythtv's internal scanner

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esperegu:

jarle: and ITV neither?

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esperegu:

jarle: mythtv does not even scan properly here.

[12:50:43]

esperegu:

it does not scan all LNBn

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jarle:

esperegu: no problems getting ITV channels, and I live in Norway so my signal strength shouldn't be as good as for you UK guys...

[12:53:40]

esperegu:

jarle: even not with ITV HD ?

[12:53:41]

xand:

stop using our TV

[12:53:47]

esperegu:

LOL

[12:53:57]

xand:

we have to pay for a tv license

[12:54:04]

esperegu:

xand: is yours getting worse ?

[12:54:10]

xand:

eh?

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jarle:

xand: you guys pay for your TV so I can watch it for free :)

[12:54:33]

esperegu:

xand: the more people watch the more reach the more they get for advertising the less you have to pay.

[12:54:44]

xand:

BBC has no advertising

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xand:

and it doesn't work that way anyway

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jarle:

esperegu: I do not have ITV HD.

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esperegu:

jarle: aha.

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test4:

actually I am not in ubuntu but in opensuse, and i have that error ( no upnp error .. / Can't connect to local MySQL server) that is I suppose a trouble with mysql and not with mythtv .. true ?

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wagnerrp:

is mysql running?

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test4:

no

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wagnerrp:

then yes, that is a problem with mysql

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test4:

:)

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test4:

but i dont know how to make it run

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wagnerrp:

mythtv requires a database for storage of all textual information

[13:07:02]

wagnerrp:

everything but videos and images get stored in there

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test4:

(i precise i had it working ..)

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test4:

so i need a new DB ? and how can I make mysql run ??

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wagnerrp:

thats for #opensuse

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test4:

please tell me how to 'open' mysql

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test4:

i tried chkconfig --add mysql

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wagnerrp:

on opensuse... i couldnt tell you

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test4:

result : mysql 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:off 5:on 6:off

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wagnerrp:

the people in #opensuse would know how

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test4:

ok i gonna ask there

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test4:

#suse

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test4:

;)

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wagnerrp:

or them

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highzeth:

surprised if its not in one of their gui tools, or maybe thats not included in their 'open' edition?

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test4:

please give me the command to erase DB and create a new one .. i'll adapt it if necessary ..

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

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test4:

highzeth: can't answer.. i'm too newbie ...but until today, everything is open..

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test4:

except name irc .. ;)

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justinh:

well, mysql commands for the mythconverg database are the same as for other databases :)

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test4:

if it was an answer to my question, then u too geek justin ;)

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highzeth:

doesnt seem like it, guess thats where enterprise editions come into play heh. http://en.opensuse.org/MySQL

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test4:

ty

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test4:

vm

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justinh:

you can never be too much of a geek!

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Jay2k1:

seconded

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test4:

;)

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test4:

u not too much geek of course !!

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justinh:

glad I relented & got wireless networking at home though, otherwise I wouldn't be able to sit in a sunny garden doing this

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test4:

just too much .. for me to understand :)

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highzeth:

Im trying to learn how to knit, thats proper geekery for ya

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justinh:

I'm more about teaching people how to fish, rather than giving them a plate full of fish ;)

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test4:

i just need one fish .. :D

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test4:

but its cool

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highzeth:

lies, then you come back tomorrow asking for one more

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test4:

actually, u alreday helped a lot of people including me :))

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test4:

haha

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test4:

i can invite u for hollidays too :)

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test4:

but u know what ..

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justinh:

actually I'll admit to only ever knowing as much as I need to know. don't see any point learning just for the sake of it anymore

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test4:

1 learn english, 2 learn informatics , 3 learn linux , 4 find a decent version of linux, 5 DL last myth, 6 get back ?

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test4:

man...

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test4:

i'm too old for that..

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justinh:

heh we've all been there at one point or other

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test4:

yea..

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justinh:

if there's a howto guide for mythtv on opensuse I suggest you take a look at it

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test4:

but some of us stay there the whole life.. u know

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test4:

yep

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test4:

but damned i had it working b4 i lost the mysql access to db

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test4:

dang :)

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mag0o:

wow, 1tb wd green $70 at newegg

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justinh:

rats. can't read the screen while I've got my sunglasses on

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k-man:

is there a git interface to the mythtv source repository?

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highzeth:

make one of those "nice" cardboard sunblocks, you know it looks good ;)

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GreyFoxx:

k-man: no

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justinh:

svn ftw

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k-man:

thanks GreyFoxx

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test4:

ha .. got a "rcmysql restart" that made the things change... look like wagner said it all

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k-man:

you know the jump maps in networkcontroll.cpp? if i add one for mythnetvision there, do i need to add corresponding code somewhere else also?

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justinh:

k-man: probably. grep is your friend

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k-man:

justinh: good idea thanks

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test4:

well.. now that my mysql is 'on', it looks like it found the dataabase, but .. "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost'" where can i autorize access please ?

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ThisOtherGuy:

hey all – I'm using trunk and when I click on "Never Record" in mythweb a row gets inserted into the oldrecorded table, but the scheduler still schedules it, can anyone help me?

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highzeth:

test4: where did you fall off in the opensuse wiki article? before or after securing the mysql installation paragraph?

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test4:

i'm on it.. but hard to underdstand

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highzeth:

they might have a native page for you, if that makes things easier

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test4:

not sure :)

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highzeth:

german?

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test4:

i gona read it and make some try

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test4:

fr

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highzeth:

ahh

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test4:

allez zidane ! .. damn he left

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test4:

please..in Qmysql i got the database error "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)" what can I do ?

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wagnerrp:

adjust mythtv to use the correct password, or grant new permissions to your current password

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wagnerrp:

grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'localhost' identified by '<mythtv password>';

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test4:

but i cant open mythtv (nor mithbackend or mitthfill DB as i do not have permission because no acces to DB > no Upnp backend

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test4:

how can i open or edit mythconverg so ?

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wagnerrp:

if mythtv fails to access the database it will throw up a UI asking for the correct credentials

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flabberkenny:

test4: mysql -u root -p

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wagnerrp:

and in the case of mythbackend which doesnt have a UI, it will ask in the terminal

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test4:

flabberkenny: it says .. ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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wagnerrp:

test4: then you need to figure out what it is you set the root mysql password to

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wagnerrp:

or if you never set one, leave off the '-p

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flabberkenny:

test4: ^, So try to connect without using a password and don't use the -p switch.

[14:31:43]

highzeth:

test4: you didnt run the mysql_secure_installation as the wiki said did you? ;)

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jay_:

hello?

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jay_:

is anybody here right now?

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test4:

no i dont think

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johnnyj:

we are here – if you have a question related to mythtv just ask it

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test4:

ty you all for your help

[14:48:16]

ThisOtherGuy:

hey all – I'm using trunk and when I click on "Never Record" in mythweb a row gets inserted into the oldrecorded table, but the scheduler still schedules it, can anyone help me?

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test4:

highzeth: (no i didnt follow wiki because evreything was working before)

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test4:

flabberkenny: i can connect to mysql without the -p switch .. but what for ?? :)

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flabberkenny:

test4: i guess to fix your access denied problem, look at wagnerrp message with the "grant all on mythconverg.*" statement

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test4:

ok ty

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test4:

highzeth: i ran the 'secure' ibnstall but no change

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highzeth:

that will "only" secure your mysql setup, not grant any privs to mythtv user, do as wagnerrp said

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jay_:

is anyone here?

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wagnerrp:

no

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jay_:

:P

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jay_:

i am just checking, I am having some mythTV setup issues at home

[15:07:46]

kormoc:

you know, irc clients do have a channel user list that shows that sorta thing...

[15:08:31]

test4:

ok but how can i grant ? considering that i have no idea what it is and how ?

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jay_:

i figured as much, just didnt find it yet

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wagnerrp:

grant... what?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: mysql grants

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test4:

" grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'localhost' identified by '<mythtv password>';"

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test4:

? no comprendo .. :)

[15:09:31]

kormoc:

test4: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html under Modifying access to the MySQL database for multiple systems

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jay_:

that works, i used webmin to do mine

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kormoc:

that walks you though it, just use his grant statement and not the one the docs give

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** kormoc shudders **

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wagnerrp:

bah... test4 and jay_ both show up blue, i thought it was jay_ asking that

[15:10:22]

wagnerrp:

stupid xchat and its small handful of colors

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: stupid mirc for defining the small handful of colors

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jay_:

im also on xchat, where is the user list

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wagnerrp:

right side

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jay_:

nvm

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jay_:

i got it

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jay_:

add sidebar view

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jay_:

here is the problem I get when running mythfilldatabse on a free mythbuntu install (backend/frontend)

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jay_:

2010-06–03 11:08:50.610 DataDirect: Deleting temporary files

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jay_:

QSqlDatabasePrivate::removeDatabase: connection 'DBManager0' is still in use, all queries will cease to work.

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kormoc:

there's a non-free mythbuntu install?

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jay_:

brb

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jay_:

i mean fresh lol

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kormoc:

is that a problem or is it just noise in the output?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: sure, one of the ubuntu devs performs the install for you

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: ahh

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wagnerrp:

s/ubuntu/mythbuntu/

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wagnerrp:

foxmediasystems or something

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure its listed on the wiki

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** wagnerrp wonders if he should pop the blister on the tip of his funger **

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wagnerrp:

finger

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kormoc:

I always do, but I have no idea if it's a good idea or not

[15:14:34]

wagnerrp:

it doesnt really hurt... it just feels odd typing on it

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jay_:

any idea what is causing my mythfilldatabase error?

[15:17:54]

jay_:

i get the same error on my backend/frontend install, and my client server setup at home

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kormoc:

jay_: AS I asked before, is it really an issue or is it just log noise?

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jay_:

sorry, was not sure that was directed to me, it never says mythfilldatabase succeeded

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jay_:

and my movies/music do not populate

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kormoc:

mythfilldatabase doesn't handle movies/music

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iamlindoro:

movies and music don't have anything to do with mythfilldatabase

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test4:

highzeth : how can I grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'localhost' identified by '<mythtv password>'; (nota : my mc.sql file already says that.)

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jay_:

ah

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jay_:

i want to basically use mythtv to view my movies on NTFS mounts on the same backend

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jay_:

is mythfilldatabase for TV tuners?

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kormoc:

yes

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jay_:

ok, so how do i set it up to show my movies and music?

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kormoc:

lookup mythvideo on the wiki and it goes over moves, mythmusic for the music

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jay_:

i still require mythtv though right?

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kormoc:

to use a mythplugin? yes

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jay_:

ok, I'll see if i can get it working tonight, if not, I will be back on later

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jay_:

one more question though

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jay_:

isnt mythvideo/music a front end plugin?

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kormoc:

yes

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jay_:

so do i setup my movies under storage devices on the backend?

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jay_:

storage group*

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kormoc:

yes

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jay_:

and no update needs to be done for them to populate under that folder?

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iamlindoro:

Only the one detailed on the mythvideo wiki page...

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jay_:

thanks, ill do some research

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jay_:

appreciate the help guys

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iamlindoro:

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that there has been no response whatsoever to the call for new grabber script authors

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iamlindoro:

even when I promised to generic metadata support to any plugin for which one writes a grabber

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iamlindoro:

Was hoping that at least *one* of the people who claimed to have wanted to write a MythGame grabber would man up, though...

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wagnerrp:

thats because you had to use xml... do you know how hard it is to formulate xml in bash???

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iamlindoro:

heh

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kormoc:

Don't you know, having a standard interface is meaningless as it allows people to do the work rather then complain about why they can't so they can inflate the ol' self-image

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wagnerrp:

and considering bash was designed to handle textual data, anything else you write it in would be that much harder

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iamlindoro:

This morning comes the big test... rm /MythMedia/artwork/*, truncate table videometadata, M->Scan For Changes, M->Download All Metadata

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iamlindoro:

(then get a beer)

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wagnerrp:

get three, youre going to be sitting there a wile

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iamlindoro:

Heh... the full process with metadata only (since it found and reassigned my existing stuff) took about five minutes

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iamlindoro:

obviously with images will take much, much longer

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wagnerrp:

and the hashing... took me like 15 minutes when i updated the schema

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iamlindoro:

For me the hash takes around a minute

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wagnerrp:

probably a combination of doing it over the network, on an old slow opteron, instead of locally on a beastly C2Q

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iamlindoro:

possibly so

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iamlindoro:

I just know once I unleash this (and I'm considering committing it commented out until it works just right) then the complaints will transition to "it takes too long"

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kormoc:

using a smaller chunk of data on the start and end won't work?

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wagnerrp:

would it be difficult to detach the background thread from the plugin? or does it need to be that way to issue updates to load the new material?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: its only 64K on each side

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kormoc:

ahh

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kormoc:

nm then

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wagnerrp:

its not the time spent reading the file, its just having to open it

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, I got ~1000 a minute done on my Q6600 when I benchmarked it

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iamlindoro:

over the network

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iamlindoro:

so it can be slow for large collections, but it's still not *that* bad, and it's only once

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wagnerrp:

maybe issues with my filesystem or something

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wagnerrp:

or some performance quirk on freebsd

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wagnerrp:

since i certainly dont have 15k files

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iamlindoro:

I figure since it only happens once, even if some people see slower behaviors, it still all comes out in the wash

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iamlindoro:

and I figure if people are adding enough files that it tangibly slows them down on a regular basis, they are not our kind of people ;)

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wagnerrp:

and if they legitimately have that content, and keep flushing and reloading it, we can slap them on behalf of tmdb/ttvdb

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justinh:

I might just get around to setting up SGs tomorrow

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justinh:

now the nursery is all but finished yay!

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stevieman:

I hooked up a webcam to my mythbox to use zoneminder and my PVR-150 tuner dispeared from the backend as a listed capture device and as a recording device in Myth. Has this happened to anyone else before?

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J-e-f-f-A:

hey kormoc – question regarding 'invisible' channels – are they still used for recordings?

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iamlindoro:

they are not used in scheduling, no

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iamlindoro:

you could still pull them up in live TV, but are not considered by the scheduler

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, good. ;-) a thread he replied to recently suggested to me that they might be, but I understand now. They won't show up in the Guide, but you can still tune them by channel number.

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iamlindoro:

true

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J-e-f-f-A:

Thanks iamlindoro , and you and Doug are making some great progress there with MNV! ;-)

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iamlindoro:

np, thanks

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kth:

moin iamlindoro: could you tell me what i've to do to set mythtv up to prefer recording of AC3 audio over mp2 / 2 channel? – or is it default ?

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RDV_Linux:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks

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iamlindoro:

kth, In digital channels, all audio streams are recorder

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iamlindoro:

recorded

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J-e-f-f-A:

RDV_Linux: ;-)

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wagnerrp:

stevieman left....

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kth:

iamlindoro: well ok but when i transcode in console log there is only mp2 :) – or is this transcoding related ?

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iamlindoro:

kth, That is transcoding related

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kth:

iamlindoro: ok are there some hints how to use transcoding with AC3 ? i want only to transcode to get out of commercials

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iamlindoro:

kth, There are known issues (and open bugs) on digital recordings with more than one audio track being transcoded, I'm afraid I don't know of a workaround as it doesn't affect recordings in my area, I am sorry

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kth:

iamlindoro: ok then i'll skip transcoding for this time and wait until it is solved ;) – thanks

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Wicked:

on a similar note...i noticed a few weeks ago that the audio being captured off my pvr-150 is actually mp2...ive always thought it was mp3.

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iamlindoro:

MP3 is only used when myth does the compression for you

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Wicked:

gotcha

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Are you aware of a problem with remotefile::write wherein you can open enough sockets in a short period of time that the BE stops accepting connections?

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, MythVideo mass metadata updating appears to trigger this rather quickly when it has to write a bunch of sequential images to an SG-- also appears to have driven my backend up to about 2 GB of memory usage

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, wondering if it's #7501 or possibly #8519 (exhausting the max number of open sockets?)

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Wicked:

for what its worth....when i was adding all my tv shows to mythtvideo i was going through them all and hitting w to get the info...after adding *alot* of tv shows the backend would become sluggish and use lots of memory....and eventually the frontend would stop communicating with the backend...a quick restart of the backend fixed it

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Wicked:

this was prob a month or two ago

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Wicked:

on 0.23-fixes

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iamlindoro:

Wicked, Correct, that's the case here-- but if I'm actually going to commit mass metadata updating to MythVideo, then it's a problem that needs solving before I can do that

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Wicked:

agreed :)

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Wicked:

maybe some kinda connection pooling would be good?

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Wicked:

or queue system

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iamlindoro:

There is already a queue system

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Wicked:

:o

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Wicked:

im just thinking out loud

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Wicked:

:)

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wagnerrp:

multiplexing multiple transfers on a single connection gets very messy very fast

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iamlindoro:

The metadata system handles them sequentially, but it at least needs the backend not to seize up on it

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Saviq:

hi all, can anyone please tell me where in the DB can I find cutlists for recordings?

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wagnerrp:

Saviq: recordedmarkup

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Saviq:

wagnerrp: thanks

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: might be worth pushing the downloading to the backend

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iamlindoro:

Heh, BE at 3 GB

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Which necessitates only supporting SGs

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wagnerrp:

i assume you already have to have some sort of conditional statement whether you open locally, or open of the filetransfer socket

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iamlindoro:

Correct-- but regardless, I'm not looking to change the wrole architecture at this point in the game-- once we have a backend downlader service (which CM was talked about doing) then it's something I'd consider, but not ATM

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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iamlindoro:

Metadata handling for video alone is a painful spiders nest of possible paths, making it generic hurt my brain, I just want to get it out there :)

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** wagnerrp avoided it entirely, and said 'no local files in the python bindings' **

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** iamlindoro curses whichever idiot uploaded all these 3d DVD covers and then voted them up **

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wagnerrp:

anaglyphs?

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iamlindoro:

no, 1/4 rotated 3D case photos

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wagnerrp:

oh, yeah.. those are almost as bad

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iamlindoro:

Underscores the need for me to write a "change artwork for this item" function

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iamlindoro:

And who votes movie stills up as fanart??

[18:13:59]

iamlindoro:

I know there used to be a LOT better fanart for Casino Royale, where did it go?

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wagnerrp:

that depends, you can have some pretty epic stills

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wagnerrp:

id bet you could get a couple decent backgrounds out of Tropic Thunder

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iamlindoro:

Tends not to have the artistic polish of the really clean promotional stuff, though

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iamlindoro:

take, for example, the Watchemn or Iron Man fanart, those rock

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iamlindoro:

Heh, BE at 5.6 GB

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iamlindoro:

just... a couple... more...

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wagnerrp:

heh... remind me not to try that, i would have OOMd by then

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Lt_Dan:

agrajag nag!

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iamlindoro:

someone's in > 10 channels...

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johnnyj:

but he got new legs!

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johnnyj:

(i could NOT help it)

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wagnerrp:

because legs make you... flood?

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** wagnerrp doesnt get it **

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iamlindoro:

Final tally: 6.3 GB (and that's without trying to do TV)

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iamlindoro:

sad BE

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wagnerrp:

good thing you shoved 8GB into all of those machines

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iamlindoro:

heh, yeah

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wagnerrp:

ive got 2 of memory and 4 of swap

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wagnerrp:

i have trouble even compiling mythtv at times

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, I suspect Captain_Murdoch will take some interest in that

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iamlindoro:

It's probably some simple thing

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wagnerrp:

dont let Udo know

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iamlindoro:

heh

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Lt_Dan:

iamlindoro ain't seen a single usage of mem like that since i tried opening a late-state Dragon Age:origins save game in the toolkit

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wagnerrp:

the dutchman who cried memory leak

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wagnerrp:

Lt_Dan: ive got a program that will easily fill a 16GB workstation i have at work

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HrB:

Hi all

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Nixon:

<all> Hello HrB!

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wagnerrp:

...

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HrB:

Hello Nixon

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iamlindoro:

Grrrr, someone turned his bot back on

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro

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wagnerrp:

HrB: pay no attention to the man behind the bot

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HrB:

ahh ok, thanks wagnerrp

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iamlindoro:

We have our own bot, and I've asked enough times

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** j-rod is a bot **

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HrB:

has any one of you made an dist upgrade from mythbuntu 9.10 to 10.04 ?

[18:26:40]

j-rod:

got ir transmit via ir-core mceusb working last night

[18:26:52]

j-rod:

(using the lirc bridge driver)

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iamlindoro:

j-rod, slick, congrats

[18:27:32]

j-rod:

I have some cleanup to do of lirc_dev, then I think its all not very far out from being merged

[18:27:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: sounds cool. ;-)

[18:27:42]

HrB:

cool j-rod

[18:28:09]

j-rod:

http://git.wilsonet.com/linux-2.6-ir-wip.git/ for anyone who's curious to see what it all looks like

[18:28:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: did you see my note about 6200ch? Are you using it with the default, slow 500ms inter-digit delay?

[18:28:44]

j-rod:

J-e-f-f-A: my cable box isn't actually active in my mythtv setup right now

[18:28:59]

j-rod:

but I swear it doesn't have that long a delay

[18:29:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: Doh! ;-)

[18:29:25]

j-rod:

I've had a locally hacked up 6200ch around for a while

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j-rod:

its possible I changed the hard-coded delay in it

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j-rod:

last I was poking though, I was using $somethingelse someone posted links to

[18:30:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: It is/was hardcoded to 500ms – I decided to add an option to speed it up, with the default still 500ms. I'm using 10ms now, and it takes < 1 second. ;-)

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HrB:

Im about to upgrade my mythbuntu (9.10 mythtv 0.22) installation to the mythbuntu 10.04 LTS (with mythtv 0.23) is that recomended ?

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j-rod:

was the thing that used to have a Scientific Atlanta specific name to it

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J-e-f-f-A:

yeah... it used to be in /contrib – now it's just on the wiki.

[18:31:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

^oops, misunderstood – ok, that's what you used. ;-)

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j-rod:

J-e-f-f-A: http://code.google.com/p/stb-command/

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xand:

I'm still on mythtv 0.21 :(

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J-e-f-f-A:

xand: hehehe... I'm on 0.22-fixes, but only FC8! (/me can feel j-rod shudder!)

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j-rod:

I feel like I'm behind the times, all my myth boxes are still running F12.

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xand:

when I build a new back/frontend (soonish) I shall upgrade

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j-rod:

I've usually long since upgraded by now

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xand:

it's on an old version of debian

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HrB:

does anyone think it might mess up my remote or any with that upgrade ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

xand: I had planned to upgrade everything – to FC12 or 13 and 0.23-fixes, but my hardware was giving me headaches....

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j-rod:

I'm still thinking I might shift most of my myth boxes to rhel6

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: I have a hardware raid1 card for my sda/sdb – tried splitting the mirror to do a fresh install of FC13, and the installer told me the disk was part of a bios raid and wouldn't let me install on it... (with just one drive connected, didn't try it with both...)

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j-rod:

dmraid -E /dev/sdX

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j-rod:

(iirc)

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j-rod:

kills bios raid metadata

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j-rod:

sorry, dmraid -E -r /dev/sdX

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: How's that affect the 'hardware' raid itself? I was hoping to break the mirror, install fresh on /dev/sda only, then once things seem 'right', re-mirror it to sdb...

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j-rod:

shouldn't matter to hardware raid

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j-rod:

its only erasing software raid metadata on the disk itself

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, cool.

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: thanks!

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J-e-f-f-A:

HrB: btw – I have no idea – I've run Fedora for years, and will probably continue to do so... ;-)

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HrB:

ok, thanks J-e-f-f-A I mainly run debian on all other machines but the mythbuntu thing was easy to setup

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Jay2k1:

loading modem manager? what the hell is it doing

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: NO CARR$&^%$................

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Jay2k1:

and now an endless backend ended, respawning.... terminated with status 254... loop

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Jay2k1:

>.<

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jp--:

hi guys... does anyone know how to make pal to ntsc conversion out of a transport stream file?

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RockHound:

Jay2k1: whats up?

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jp--:

I actually have pci card with asi input and output

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jp--:

and my input signal is pal and I want it to be ntsc... do you hae any ideas on how can I get this done? Is it possible to do it only by software, right

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jp--:

?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jp--: ??? you'd have to transcode it I would think – Pal is 50hz/576i – NTSC is 60hz/480i

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jp--:

thanks

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RockHound:

jp--: why do you need this in ntcs?

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jp--:

cause my tv is ntsc

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RockHound:

ntsc

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RockHound:

ah

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jp--:

J-e-f-f-A, what does it mean 50 Hz and 60 Hz?

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Jay2k1:

RockHound ah nothing, i just turned on my box and it did a fsck, i guess the mount count was reached

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J-e-f-f-A:

jp--: But that wouldn't matter, if you played it with Myth, myth wouldhandle it.

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RockHound:

Jay2k1: seems most likely

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jp--:

I'm using ffmpeg to encode the ntsc video, you know going from 25fps to 29.97fps and changing it to 480p

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Jay2k1:

but then it said "loading modem manager" and a few of its modules

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Jay2k1:

nokia and stuff

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wagnerrp:

jp--: WTF are you doing with an ASI card if you dont know what 50 and 60 Hz means?

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Jay2k1:

and soon after, this backend terminated/respawning chain

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Jay2k1:

i just pressed reset and it booted up normally

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wagnerrp:

i mean that is by no means consumer grade hardware

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jp--:

wagnerrp, I ask myself the same question sometimes

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wagnerrp:

besides which, that stuff isnt really usable outside of a headend

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wagnerrp:

since you would need other incredibly expensive ASI hardware to interface with

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wagnerrp:

jp--, J-e-f-f-A: anyway, you dont 'transcode' between PAL and NTSC

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wagnerrp:

you just change the framerate of the video

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wagnerrp:

and then resample and frequency shift the audio

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: What about changing the resolution from 576i to 480i?

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wagnerrp:

erm.... yeah, you would have to transcode for that

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jp--:

thanks wagnerrp, because I was just changing the fps and resolution, not changing the frequency of the audio... what freq should I use?

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wagnerrp:

was thinking of DVB/ATSC

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J-e-f-f-A:

jp--: Is this SD or HD?

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wagnerrp:

jp--: what are you doing with PAL content in canada anyway?

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** J-e-f-f-A presumed SD because of the NTSC<->PAL talk. **

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wagnerrp:

i mean youre not going to be capturing anything PAL

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wagnerrp:

so the discussion of your ASI card is irrelevant

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wagnerrp:

the only think that might matter is stuff you recorded in a PAL country before moving to canada

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wagnerrp:

or maybe foreign DVD imports

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jp--:

wagnerrp>

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jp--:

I do have pal content

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jp--:

;)

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jp--:

I receive it from overseas

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wagnerrp:

and your video card will manage conversion of 50-->60hz as it outputs

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wagnerrp:

youll just get the occasional duplicate frame

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wagnerrp:

it *might* appear jerky, but i doubt youll notice it

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jp--:

the thing is that I output original ntsc content and pal content and it plays out just fine

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J-e-f-f-A:

jp--: So, why do you feel the need to convert it? /me is confused...

[19:04:32]

jp--:

but when I take, let's say, some minutes of PAL TS and convert it to NTSC TS and then I play out that NTSC TS it plays out choppy

[19:05:25]

jp--:

there might be something I am doing bad using on ffmpeg, some bitrates settings, I don't know well because I've been playing around with it like for 3 days, changing bitrates, and other more parameters

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jp--:

oh, and it's SD content

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wagnerrp:

its choppy because youre repeating every fourth frame

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jp--:

oh... I get it... but how should I stop that?

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Ben_P:

Good afternoon

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jp--:

i mean, it's not always choppy, let's say that in 1 minute of video it gets choppy for like 2 secs only 3 or 4 times

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jp--:

the rest of the time it plays out just fine

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wagnerrp:

then your playback hardware is insufficient, or your encoder is crap

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wagnerrp:

but you shouldnt be doing any of that

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jp--:

my encoder is ffmpeg

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jp--:

I think the problems is there

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wagnerrp:

just play it, and your video card will handle the frame duplication

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jp--:

because when I capture NTSC TS and play it, it just plays out fine.

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jp--:

what other encoder should I use?

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dustybin:

Slackware package /tmp/mythtv-0.23-i686–1_SBo.tgz created.

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dustybin:

excellent :D

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J-e-f-f-A:

jp--: What is your source of the TS? Why can't you just play the Pal TS directly?

[19:10:59]

jp--:

I can play NTSC and PAL perfectly, but I need all the content to be NTSC, because, as wagnerrp said implicitly, that's the standard in Canada

[19:11:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

jp--: But you're playing it with MythTV?

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jp--:

I'm playing the content with a CLI utility, I haven't found another software that's able to output it to my ASI card

[19:12:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

jp--: Because I can playback HD 1080i on an NTSC TV with S-Video just fine — Myth scales it properly for the 800x600 resolution that is then being scaled down to __x480i for the TV by the video card automatically.

[19:13:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

jp--: Ok, so if you're outputting through your ASI card, then how do you get it from ASI into your NTSC TV????

[19:13:43]

jp--:

using a Tandberg TT1260

[19:14:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

jp--: Why not just use an Nvidia card with S-Video output? What's the idea with the complexity of the ASI card?

[19:14:27]

jp--:

that's not a problem, really. The thing is that I don't know how to encode the TS file well

[19:14:39]

iamlindoro:

Moreover, if you're not using MythTv, why are you asking here?

[19:14:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

yeah, that too.

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wagnerrp:

if youve got ASI cards and receivers like that Tandberg, this is out of our pay grade

[19:17:02]

wagnerrp:

you are running your own headend

[19:17:20]

wagnerrp:

there is expensive hardware you can buy to do all that, and expensive technicians you can contract to show you how

[19:17:23]

jp--:

imlindoro because here there's people that knows than only mythtv, obviously, if people here wants to help me, I mean, what's the bad thing about it, I'm not speaking about food or sex

[19:17:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, looks like that TT1260 is around $8000 retail... yikes. That's more than I paid for all of my myth hardware combined in the last 5 years...

[19:17:49]

jp--:

wagner, I got that receiver for 150 cad, used at a recyling place :)

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iamlindoro:

jp--, We keep our channel on topic, and ask that users here discuss MythTV

[19:18:15]

jp--:

J-e-f-f-A, nope, it's 1700 usd brand new

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iamlindoro:

at the very least we prefer that people not come here to find a captive audience to take advantage of

[19:18:33]

jp--:

ok amlindoro, got it

[19:18:39]

jp--:

don't worry.

[19:19:09]

jp--:

thanks guys for your help anyways, I'm less lost now :)

[19:19:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Ok, with that out of the way, I'm enjoying my FiOS HD and HD-PVRs... But the commflagging is pegging my system out now... Even with the Athlon X2 6000+ !

[19:20:11]

iamlindoro:

time for MOAR HARDWAREZ

[19:20:31]

Ben_P:

Quick question, should I expect any issues streaming via nfs4? I know nfs is quirky from time to time but before I spend a few hundred on a dedicated htpc I thought I'd ask here

[19:20:40]

** wagnerrp would love to pick up a cheap ASI card and ATSC modulator **

[19:20:47]

wagnerrp:

Ben_P: any reason for 4 instead of 3?

[19:20:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: yeah, no kidding. I haven't been watching the cpus really, and was floored to see that they've got 6-core versions available now..

[19:21:13]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: theyve even got 8 and 12-core processors

[19:21:14]

Ben_P:

wagnerrp: There is really no reason for anyone to be running 3?

[19:21:46]

wagnerrp:

Ben_P: its fast, and if youre on an isolated network, you dont really need the security and authentication stuff that you get with 4

[19:22:21]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: intel's 8-core stuff is native, AMD's 8 and 12 core chips are just a pair of dies on a single package

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Ben_P:

I'm just wondering if there are any known issues with nfs4 mounts, honestly I'm not trying to discuss the pros and cons of nfs4 v 3

[19:22:59]

Ben_P:

I didn't see any on the wiki but like I said just wanted to ask here before I bought the htpc

[19:23:12]

wagnerrp:

no, there should be no problems

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Ben_P:

Thanks

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wagnerrp:

v4 is going to have noticeably more overhead than v3, but you should still be far off from any lim.... and he left

[19:24:16]

Jay2k1:

today, 4 WD Green EADS 2TB SATA drives quit on me :(

[19:25:47]

wagnerrp:

bad batch out in the wild?

[19:25:50]

johnnyj:

Jay2kl – you lost 4 drives?

[19:26:00]

wagnerrp:

you drop the computer housing them while it was running?

[19:26:04]

justinh:

bad power, earthquake? ;-)

[19:26:15]

Jay2k1:

heh

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Jay2k1:

yes, i lost 4 drives

[19:26:52]

Jay2k1:

i can't shake the housing, i'm too weak to manage that

[19:26:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: 12 core?!? Yikes!!! Makes my x2 seem like an antique...

[19:27:18]

Jay2k1:

the housing is a 19" rack in a datacenter :)

[19:27:19]

justinh:

bit freaky losing that many in one go

[19:27:25]

Jay2k1:

yeah indeed

[19:27:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: yeah, that's one thing I miss, is the near-real-time commercial flagging...

[19:27:56]

Jay2k1:

it started with me being unable to logon via ssh, it asked me for a pass although i usually logon using keys

[19:28:05]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: im honestly surprised you couldnt pull that off with that chip

[19:28:09]

Jay2k1:

entering the password, it wouldn't accept it

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Jay2k1:

but the machine was not dead surprisingly

[19:28:35]

** J-e-f-f-A lost two WD 500's at once... one the 'click of death' and the other just refused to show up in the bios after a 'hard boot'... **

[19:28:36]

wagnerrp:

Jay2k1: linux wont die due to loss of a boot drive

[19:28:53]

wagnerrp:

it will sit there waiting for access to the files

[19:29:01]

wagnerrp:

anything still in the disk cache will be usable

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Jay2k1:

on reboot the raid controller mourned that one hdd was missing... so i replaced it. but the controller bios wouldn't let me rebuild, so i deleted the array and created a new one

[19:29:14]

Jay2k1:

wagnerrp ok that explains

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Jay2k1:

after the reboot it said another drive was missing

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wagnerrp:

id say bad controller is more likely

[19:29:51]

johnnyj:

i had 1 drive in a 10 drive set go out at my last job, they all came in the same batch, but when I logged on for warranty replacement this 1 drive's serial number from Seagate was 'invalid'

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Jay2k1:

so i connected the four drives directly to another computer with windows on it

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Jay2k1:

quick formatted them with ntfs

[19:30:22]

Jay2k1:

and started copying 300mb-files

[19:30:42]

Jay2k1:

started with 30mb/s and after 10 seconds it reached 10kbit/s

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Jay2k1:

booted linux, tried hdparm -tT, the buffered read failed

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Jay2k1:

writing to it threw buffer i/o errors in dmesg

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: I'm using HD-PVRs, so its H.264 now... When i was using PVR-xxx recorders with SD, it could do it in near-real-time easily.

[19:31:52]

Jay2k1:

i ordered them together, i guess it's a bad batch indeed... they were manufactured jan 2010

[19:31:54]

Jay2k1:

:/

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: 6month old drives failing? Yikes.

[19:32:18]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: im saying that chip should be more than powerful to decode it in real time

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Jay2k1:

wagnerrp i changed the controller as a first step to be sure

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wagnerrp:

commflagging shouldnt be all that much more intensive

[19:33:03]

Jay2k1:

looking at my 4000+ x2, commflagging seems to take as much cpu as it can get

[19:33:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: i've got to mythcommflag processes running right now – one is 97% cpu busy, other is 91%...

[19:33:13]

Jay2k1:

but not more, i mean, it doesn't interrupt other processes

[19:33:22]

Dibblah:

Jay2k1: I think I know your issue. Are they WD drives?

[19:33:34]

Jay2k1:

yes, WD20EADS

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Jay2k1:

green/2tb/32mb

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johnnyj:

if i'm reading this correctly, my comm flag jobs are taking 34 mins for 1hr long HD-PVR recordings in 720p

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Dibblah:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1417612

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Jay2k1:

that's different

[19:35:14]

Jay2k1:

afaik the difference between EADS and EARS is about alignment

[19:35:17]

Dibblah:

Your HD has 4096 byte sectors, but doesn't "say" that to the OS or RAID card.

[19:35:30]

Jay2k1:

read again, i have EADS not EARS

[19:35:37]

Jay2k1:

i mean i have two ears but... :P

[19:36:02]

Dibblah:

Same issue. http://community.wdc.com/t5/Desktop/WD15EADS- . . . t/td-p/10645

[19:36:35]

Jay2k1:

hmm. but why do i have a working system w/ debian lenny for three months?

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Dibblah:

Array change?

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Jay2k1:

nothing, since initial setup the machine hasn't been touched

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Jay2k1:

no updates, nada, just nightly files being pushed to it

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Jay2k1:

a smart test on windows reported a high error count, i can't remember what exact count it was

[19:38:44]

Jay2k1:

...on all four drives

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johnnyj:

Jay2kl gotta love Debian Lenny – 3.1 or something, wasnt it? that's what I cut my teeth on administration with

[19:38:54]

stevieman:

hey I thought I say how impressed I am with Myth-tv, my webcam bumped my PVR-150 to a /Video1. I re-added the PVR-150, set it up, and everything worked. I was dreading having to remove all capture cards, getting rid of guide date and icons but no it just worked. huzzaa

[19:39:04]

Jay2k1:

and every single one started copying files with normal speed and then immediately slowed down to almost zero

[19:39:39]

Jay2k1:

it's the number 1, not an L at the end of my nick ;)

[19:39:56]

Jay2k1:

cut your teeth? is that positive or negative? :P

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johnnyj:

Jay2k1- it's what we used at the hosting company I became an admin at

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Jay2k1:

i use it on almost all of my servers... i think only the mail server is on CentOS

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Jay2k1:

anyways, after changing the controller i decided to test the disks in another machine because i just couldn't imagine that four hdds die simultaneously

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Jay2k1:

on the other hand, one should not buy the very same hdds for a raid for exactly this reason

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RockHound:

at least not from the same production shipment

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Jay2k1:

well you can hardly affect that when ordering online

[19:46:05]

RockHound:

us different distris ;-)

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RockHound:

use

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Jay2k1:

that won't protect the hdds from failure

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Jay2k1:

ah you mean distributors

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J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: best thing to do is to setup udev rules – so your PVR has an alias of /dev/pvr150 regardless of which /videox device it gets at boot time.

[19:46:57]

Jay2k1:

not distributions

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Jay2k1:

lol.

[19:47:15]

Jay2k1:

well, i didn't really have that much time

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stevieman:

J-e-F-F-A: Now that is a great idea. Do you have any docs on how to do that?

[19:48:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: This was my PVR150 rule for my FC8 system... I had this in /etc/udev/rules.d/51-my.rules KERNEL=="video[0–9]", SYSFS{vendor}=="0x4444",SYSFS{device}=="0x0016", SYSFS{subsystem_device}=="0x8003", SYMLINK+="pvr150", MODE="0766"

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Jay2k1:

sometimes i have the feeling my company invented the word "asap"

[19:49:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

then i pointed myth to /dev/pvr150 – I did the same for my USB-Serial adapters for my LCD and X10 interface.

[19:49:27]

RockHound:

Jay2k1: know the feeling

[19:49:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: you'll have to check how your distribution handles the udev rules. My example above is from my Fedora Core 8 system. ;-)

[19:50:33]

stevieman:

J-e-F-F-A: I have no idea what that rule does :) It is so over my head. I'm running Mythbuntu 9.10

[19:51:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: I had a PVR-250, PVR-500, and PVR-150 all in my system – 4 diff rules for each tuner. ;-)

[19:52:19]

stevieman:

J-e-F-F-A: It is certainly something I'll look into. It would be a pain to go through this everytime I add a new card or something.

[19:52:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: You should definitely look into it – as things can change even on a re-boot...

[19:53:05]

stevieman:

J-e-F-F-A: No don't tell me that :)

[19:53:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: I think ubuntu has some nifty udev tools that make things easier... you'll have to ask in an ubuntu specific channel or google for details though. ;-) I'm a Fedora guy.

[19:53:54]

johnnyj:

stevieman – udev rules aren't that bad – even in mythbuntu karmic (aka 9.10)

[19:54:17]

** johnnyj is a mythbuntu 9.10 user **

[19:54:45]

johnnyj:

sphery actually gave me this link on the udev rile topic recently – http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html

[19:54:47]

stevieman:

J-e-F-F-A: I used to be a Fedora guy, switched to Ubuntu for some reason, I do run Fedora on a couple of webserver though

[19:55:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: Basicaly, the PVR150 would still be /dev/video0 or /dev/video1 (or even all the way up to 9 if you added lots of stuff), but that rule would create a symlink from /dev/pvr150 to the correct /dev/videoX device for you. An you'd just point Myth to /dev/pvr150

[19:55:38]

stevieman:

J-e-F-F-A: that is what I thought, but I'm frequently wrong ;)

[19:58:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: btw... I've got to do the same for my new HD-PVRs – for some reason I haven't been able to get a proper udev rule for them yet!

[19:58:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: do you have more than one HD-PVR?

[19:59:08]

stevieman:

J-e-F-F-A: well I'll do some reading on the link johnnyj sent, it's going to take some time ;)

[20:00:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: The rule I pasted will *probably* work cut & paste – as it uses the vendor info, not any serial numbers, etc.

[20:00:21]

stevieman:

Is there anyway to drop the recording level of a HD tuner card? I know I know, I don't have a computer powerful enough to handle the HD signal nor do I have an HD TV. and to answer your question of why I got an HD card? ATSC tuner.

[20:00:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: nope. What comes in gets dumped right to disk.

[20:01:00]

stevieman:

J-e-F-F-A: Thanks, I'll make a note of it and give it a try

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J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: I'd just get a VDPAU capable video card and be done with it. ;-) Only other way would be to transcode it down to a lower resolution (yuck)

[20:02:16]

stevieman:

J-e-F-F-A: Well that just sucks for me then, I can't transcode live TV sooo........ I'm screwed until I can get a better computer

[20:02:19]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, I have two

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Do you have udev rules setup for them? If so, could you share one of them? I can't seem to get my rules to work... :-(

[20:03:16]

iamlindoro:

KERNEL=="video[0–9]*", ATTRS{serial}=="00A33606", SYMLINK+="video4", GROUP="video"

[20:03:16]

iamlindoro:

KERNEL=="video[0–9]*", ATTRS{serial}=="00A2B2F9", SYMLINK+="video5", GROUP="video"

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: This doesn't work for me: SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux",ATTR{name}=="Hauppauge HD PVR",ATTRS{serial}=="00A3F16A",SYMLINK+="hdpvr0", MODE="0766"

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Awesome, I'll try it when I get home later. ;-)

[20:03:43]

iamlindoro:

np

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test4:

d to uninstall all.. (myth, mysql ...etc) how can i uninstall properly ? (or any better idea to allow the user mythtv ?)

[20:05:08]

test4:

i decided to *

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wagnerrp:

'%' is mysql's string wildcard, not '*'

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J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: Live TV?!? ;-) Then I'd go the NVidia route with VDPAU – 8xxx+ card with at least 512MB... Can be had pretty cheap if you shop around.

[20:06:18]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: and preferably have PCIe

[20:06:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

That too. ;-)

[20:06:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: Ah, that's right, if you've got older peecees without PCIe, you might be 'cooked'... DOH!

[20:07:41]

stevieman:

J-e-F-F-A: would the vid card have enough horse power to make up for the lack processing power, yep it's an older PC without PCIe but I have a new machine that is my desktop that isn't doing much anymore since I got my laptop

[20:08:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: yes, VDPAU offloads the video decoding to the video card, leaving the CPU with alot less to do... ;-)

[20:09:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: Live TV is so.... 90's... You really should setup recordings, so you can enjoy the commercial flagging/skipping goodness of Mythtv! ;-)

[20:10:38]

stevieman:

yah well sometimes you just end up watching live tv. No very often but sometimes

[20:11:37]

stevieman:

please tell me mythbuntu has VDPAU pre-compiled

[20:11:41]

iamlindoro:

it does

[20:12:37]

stevieman:

iamlindoro: sweet, everytime I try to compile something I break something else

[20:13:12]

wagnerrp:

oh great... user wants a setting page where they can adjust tuning parameters

[20:13:28]

stevieman:

VDPAU cards propably only have HDMI out correct?

[20:13:33]

wagnerrp:

no

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J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: no... every flavor, just likenormal... vga / dvi / hdmi / s-video – depending on vendor...

[20:14:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: i've got a GeForce 240 I just picked up that has DVI, HDMI and S-Video outputs.

[20:14:53]

stevieman:

J-e-F-F-A: Well with that bit of good news perhaps I will swap my backend box and desktop

[20:15:18]

wagnerrp:

some do component, some do displayport

[20:15:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: You want the vdpau card on the *frontend* btw...

[20:15:40]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: a GT card with svideo? ive not actually seen one of those

[20:15:50]

wagnerrp:

nothing past the 9000 series with SD analog

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J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: If you're not going to run a frontend on the backend, you could run old hardware on the backend.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Humm.. maybe it's a mini-din only for the HD analog pigtail? I guess I assumed... DOH!

[20:16:49]

iamlindoro:

ARGH, it would be SO GREAT if TVDb didn't turn to diarrhea on me when I am trying to test this stuff

[20:17:07]

stevieman:

My setup is front and backend downstairs and I want to add a frontend upstairs, maybe I can overpower the processer to compensate for poor video card

[20:17:38]

wagnerrp:

not overpower, offload

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: yah that ;) I'm not getting an HD anytime soon

[20:18:13]

stevieman:

TV that is

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: I'm wrong, it's actually got HDMI / VGA / DVI — the card I was thinking about was the older 8400GS – VGA – S-Vid – DVI ...

[20:20:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: This is the 240 I picked up – for $34.99 after rebate – but it's double-height and has a fan... but I couldn't resist the price to have a 'decent' video card. ;-) http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_res . . . t_id=0323817

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stevieman:

J-e-f-f-A: I could get the 8400GS for $45

[20:21:11]

iamlindoro:

jesus Karen Gillan is hot

[20:21:36]

iamlindoro:

(new metadata stuff returns vastly better fanart choices too)

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wagnerrp:

so... you like the latin men, eh?

[20:22:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: That card would be 'ok' for ATSC MPEG2

[20:22:09]

iamlindoro:

not Haysus ;)

[20:22:26]

iamlindoro:

jesus, comma, Karen Gillan is hot exclamation point

[20:22:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: If it's got 512MB ram on-board, it would probably do just fine.

[20:23:10]

stevieman:

J-e-f-f-A: I believe I have a gig on board, I have to have s-vid out

[20:23:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: not on your PC, on the Video card. ;-)

[20:24:33]

stevieman:

J-e-f-f-A: man I am so out of it today, damn non sleeping through the night kids

[20:25:19]

justinh:

oo it's caipirihna time again

[20:25:49]

** justinh gives tvdb some immodium **

[20:27:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Vdpau for details — but basically avoid the 256MB cards, 512MB is recommended, 1GB overkill for now.

[20:27:12]

** iamlindoro wonders if it's selfish that when he went and input hundreds and hundreds of taglines into TMDB, he edited them such that they fit the textarea in Arclight ;) **

[20:27:57]

justinh:

rofl

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Jay2k1:

is the textarea bigger than in mythcenter-wide?

[20:28:06]

Jay2k1:

:P

[20:28:14]

stevieman:

J-e-f-f-A: cool, so the card I was looking at is bad :)

[20:28:19]

iamlindoro:

Arclight has very expansive text areas

[20:28:28]

iamlindoro:

I am fairly certain it fits more text than any theme

[20:28:35]

justinh:

wish my wife liked arclight

[20:28:46]

** wagnerrp wonders if it would be selfish to delete all the german taglines incorrectly marked as english, when alternate language taglines are not yet supported... **

[20:28:55]

justinh:

it'd save me having to graft my ass off making my own :-\

[20:29:38]

justinh:

I'm not willing to test the theory that editing one theme to make text bigger is as much work as making a new one, I'm just doing it

[20:29:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: shop around – $45 for an 8400GS is a bit high too!

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RockHound:

Jay2k1: do you have a solution for german tv show renaming and metadata fetching (or better, metadata not being fetched because of show renaming)?

[20:30:29]

stevieman:

J-e-f-f-A: yah, that was just to first place I looked at in town

[20:30:52]

iamlindoro:

RockHound, I can only assume from the question that you have not read the Jamu wiki page?

[20:31:35]

RockHound:

*caugh* ...

[20:31:36]

RockHound:

;)

[20:31:40]

RockHound:

off to rtfm

[20:32:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: If you know pretty much what you're looking for, 'pricewatch.com' is really good... I haven't ordered from them in a year or so, but have bought through them several times in the past...

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J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: Yikes... Here's an 8400GS 512MB PCI (not PCIe) – but a bit pricey... $59.00 before shipping... but would bring your pci-only system back to life I would think... http://www.jr.com/pny/pe/PNY_VCG84512SPB/

[20:35:30]

justinh:

iamlindoro: wonder if arclight can fit all the text radiotimes.com put in their EPG data ;-)

[20:35:44]

iamlindoro:

justinh, Heh, I'm not a miracle worker

[20:35:49]

Jay2k1:

[20:35:49]

justinh:

sometimes it's only 2 lines. other times.. eesh

[20:36:11]

Jay2k1:

was that line cut?

[20:36:13]

iamlindoro:

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stevieman:

J-e-f-f-A: cool, thanks, I think I'm going to check and see if I can get one used, if I post today I should be able to catch the university student still in town before they head home, someone should have one for sale used (fingers crossed)

[20:36:30]

RockHound:

Jay2k1: I mean the things like coverart and arclight backgrounds etc

[20:36:38]

Jay2k1:

i don't use arclight

[20:36:44]

RockHound:

try it ;-)

[20:36:50]

Jay2k1:

i don't like it

[20:36:55]

RockHound:

k

[20:36:56]

Jay2k1:

maybe it looks better on a flatscreen

[20:36:58]

RockHound:

fair enough

[20:37:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: hehehe... if they're gamers, yeah, they'll want newer cards. ;-)

[20:37:04]

Jay2k1:

i prefer the blueish look of mythcenter though

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justinh:

Jay2k1: works fine on my 32" SDTV. I can even read all the text :-O

[20:37:34]

Jay2k1:

the picture i have for recordings is a screenshot of the actual recording, like 60 secs from the start

[20:37:44]

Jay2k1:

hmm, mine is a 30" 16:9

[20:37:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: get the newest Nvidia card you can that has s-video. and 512MB onboard ram. ;-)

[20:37:58]

justinh:

Jay2k1: mine 32" 16:9 CRT

[20:38:04]

Jay2k1:

anyway i tried it and found it a bit too small... and i didn't like the design overall

[20:38:22]

justinh:

doubt it'd have been readable before the intel driver revamp. video quality is sparkly now

[20:38:25]

stevieman:

J-e-f-f-A: will do, thanks for all the help. I've gotta run, time to head homw :)

[20:38:34]

Jay2k1:

stevieman that'll be a 8400GS

[20:38:46]

Jay2k1:

around 30 EUR

[20:38:55]

Jay2k1:

about*

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** J-e-f-f-A thinks Nvidia should have continued up in Hex, instead of dropping the 1st digit... so instead of "210", they should have gone to "A210" ;-) **

[20:41:18]

Jay2k1:

heh

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achew22:

justinh: the Intel drivers are "sparkly" now? Do they decode mpeg really well?

[20:42:16]

justinh:

ruh?

[20:42:34]

justinh:

don't bother with xvmc. I had enough hassle with that on my flea-pee-aye-ay

[20:43:49]

justinh:

by 'sparkly' I mean the tvout quality is much better than the last version I ran with

[20:43:50]

Jay2k1:

btw justinh what's the distance between your watching position and your tv=

[20:44:01]

justinh:

hmmm about 3 metres

[20:44:30]

Jay2k1:

hm same here

[20:44:45]

Jay2k1:

i doubt that two inches make a big difference

[20:45:19]

justinh:

oh I dunno. My wife ended up pregnant

[20:45:35]

Jay2k1:

but well, ever since i changed from onboard nvidia graphics to my 8400GS i can't change the display size of the s-video signal anymore, it's too big to fit on the screen now

[20:45:42]

Jay2k1:

heh, "ended up"?

[20:45:53]

Jay2k1:

don't you feel at least a bit guilty for that? :P

[20:45:58]

justinh:

lol

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iamlindoro:

He would if it were his

[20:46:06]

justinh:

Jay2k1: you need nvidia-settings man

[20:46:26]

Jay2k1:

i looked there, but i can't find settings to adjust that

[20:46:34]

Jay2k1:

you mean that nvidia control panel thingy right?

[20:46:37]

justinh:

tvoverscan sliders

[20:46:39]

justinh:

yeah

[20:46:46]

Jay2k1:

they're gone

[20:46:54]

justinh:

whu?

[20:46:54]

Jay2k1:

they've been there when i used onboard

[20:47:01]

Jay2k1:

now they're gone

[20:47:10]

justinh:

weird

[20:47:13]

Jay2k1:

idd

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justinh:

I was just about to say they're better now cos you can mess with the horizontal and the vertical

[20:48:12]

iamlindoro:

There, the TVDB guys, they know how to rank fanart

[20:48:17]

iamlindoro:

no stupid still frames

[20:48:27]

iamlindoro:

just sexy, sexy Karen gillan and Blonde Cylons

[20:48:36]

dustybin:

i got sound working on my frontend again!! television is finally back :D

[20:49:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: you found the Vol + button ? ;-) hehehe

[20:49:23]

dustybin:

all that flaffing around for no reason, all i needed to do was use /dev/mixer1 with my usb turtle beach card

[20:49:29]

justinh:

sexy, sexy Karen Gillan? Must be some other Karen Gillan & not the ginger minger on our Dr Who

[20:49:40]

iamlindoro:

Mmm, love the red hair

[20:49:51]

iamlindoro:

I've always puzzled over the fact that you brits seem to hate it

[20:49:56]

dustybin:

mission no.2 get the mce remote working again

[20:50:06]

Jay2k1:

justinh that's how i'm doing it now, yeah, but it's not perfect...

[20:50:19]

justinh:

some of us were bullied my red haired kids when we were young ;)

[20:50:35]

BLZbubba:

i really like that latest dr who sidekick

[20:50:44]

dustybin:

justinh: once my new server + frontend is setup properly, the joggler will be the next victim :D

[20:50:57]

justinh:

Billie Piper was better. In Secret Diary Of A Callgirl

[20:50:59]

BLZbubba:

in fact i may have to take a quick break and go rub one out now that you mentioned her

[20:51:10]

justinh:

eew

[20:51:11]

iamlindoro:

justinh, Blech, she's got a busted up face

[20:51:21]

Jay2k1:

i should just get a flat tv... if only the CRT would go kaputt heh... it's only about 3 years old and does a perfect job

[20:51:21]

justinh:

who looks at the face? lol

[20:51:40]

kormoc:

BLZbubba: TMI

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justinh:

Jay2k1: I can wait til the day my CRT dies

[20:52:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: too late, he's gone for a while...

[20:52:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

[20:52:21]

iamlindoro:

no, wait, he's done

[20:52:27]

** J-e-f-f-A laughs **

[20:52:35]

Jay2k1:

i can wait too... my purse will be grateful too

[20:52:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

you carry a purse? ewww....

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dustybin:

<3 the picture on my CRT, especially with my VGA > RGB scart bo

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Jay2k1:

yeah it's quite a good invention... you can use it to carry your credit cards and money and ID and drivers license and stuff :)

[20:53:30]

justinh:

purse & a manbag. how very er.. metro

[20:53:38]

Jay2k1:

umm

[20:53:44]

Jay2k1:

perhaps i just used the wrong word

[20:53:57]

Jay2k1:

the thing you put in your pocket

[20:54:02]

justinh:

hey it's the 21st century now

[20:54:03]

kormoc:

Wallet

[20:54:12]

justinh:

we're all ok with new things here

[20:54:19]

Jay2k1:

ah yeah wallet that's it

[20:54:39]

kormoc:

http://www.google.com/images?q=purse vs http://www.google.com/images?q=wallet

[20:54:44]

Jay2k1:

that happens when you learn english at school

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xand:

ID? they scrapped that :P

[20:54:54]

justinh:

in C21, men have haircuts & everything! :-O

[20:55:12]

Jay2k1:

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Jay2k1:

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Jay2k1:

i got the difference :)

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Jay2k1:

we do have distinct words for these two things in german, but we usually use the general term, like just saying "money pouch" in english

[20:56:15]

justinh:

heh

[20:56:41]

justinh:

only in 'merkin – purse is generally what brits call a 'handbag'

[20:56:45]

Jay2k1:

a purse is called handtasche here

[20:56:55]

Jay2k1:

handtasche, translated 1:1, would be handbag

[20:57:26]

Jay2k1:

you can never trust 1:1 translations though... some very clever company called their backpacks, german word rucksack, a body bag

[20:57:43]

justinh:

lol

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Jay2k1:

yeah if you know what a body bag really is, it's hilarious

[20:58:09]

** J-e-f-f-A orders a 'back pack' for his wife.. **

[20:58:31]

BLZbubba:

of course the chevy "nova" car didn't do so well in mexico

[20:59:12]

Jay2k1:

off to get my g/f o/

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achew22:

how does nova translate poorly in spanish?

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** iamlindoro resists making a joke about her penis **

[21:00:13]

iamlindoro:

oh wait, no I didn't

[21:00:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: thanks for the udef rule!!! ls /dev/hd* now yields: /dev/hdpvr0 /dev/hdpvr1

[21:00:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

udev even...

[21:00:37]

iamlindoro:

glad to help

[21:04:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... Should I add a section to the wiki page for the HD-PVR for 'udev rules for multiple HD-PVRs'?

[21:05:20]

iamlindoro:

it's no different than udev rules for multiple of any other thing, so I'm not sure it's needed

[21:06:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Yeah, just the udev rules page seems a bit overwhelming I think... I was just thinking a specific example on the HD-PVR page, with a link to the 'full' udev rules page as a 'complete' reference might be a nice addition.

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achew22:

iamlindoro is this the HD-PVR the Happauge component converter?

[21:07:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: yes

[21:07:45]

iamlindoro:

achew22, s/converter/capture device/, yes

[21:07:55]

achew22:

Does it work well for you?

[21:08:01]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, how about an example/subheading on the udev page?

[21:08:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: Component capture to H.264. And it works well for me too. ;-)

[21:08:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: That works too. ;-)

[21:08:13]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, I only resist because the HD-PVR page is already getting a bit overwhelming too

[21:08:18]

iamlindoro:

achew22, yes, it works very well for me

[21:08:21]

justinh:

heheh marvellous. people I gave editor accounts on the dog training club website are using em & doing neat stuff. woohoo

[21:08:59]

achew22:

iamlindoro how is it overwhelming?

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iamlindoro:

achew22, I was referring to the wiki page. It is very verbose at this time and since maintaining it is more or less my responsibility as a wiki admin and as the person who wrote it in the first place, my desire it to keep the page sensible and straightforward

[21:11:31]

achew22:

do you have any problems with IR blasting?

[21:11:41]

iamlindoro:

I do not use IR to change channels

[21:11:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: I don't use it's IR blasting either.

[21:11:53]

achew22:

how do you change channels?

[21:11:56]

iamlindoro:

firewire

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achew22:

really?

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J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: I use firewire to change channels on my Motorola QIP-7100 (Verizon FiOS)

[21:12:15]

iamlindoro:

yes, why the shock?

[21:12:28]

achew22:

I didn't know you could do that

[21:12:40]

iamlindoro:

it's pretty common

[21:12:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: what's your STB?

[21:13:20]

achew22:

I'm using firewire to get video out of my Motorola DCH-3200

[21:13:53]

iamlindoro:

then channel change via firewire is already working for you

[21:13:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: So check out the 6200ch page on the wiki – should work for you I would think.

[21:14:07]

iamlindoro:

one way or another, it already does

[21:14:23]

achew22:

so you set up 6200ch as the external channel change script?

[21:14:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

He might have to clear the 'channel changing script' entry for that to work.

[21:14:26]

iamlindoro:

whether it uses myth's internal firewire channel changer or he sets an external, it's using firewire, and basically the same code

[21:14:46]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Then it's still basically using the same codes and box IDs in 6200ch

[21:14:51]

iamlindoro:

ie, still FW channel change

[21:17:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: right, but it seems he's using a channel change script and lirc right now.

[21:17:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: Is that what you're doing? ^^

[21:18:15]

achew22:

No, I'm using the built in firewire channel changer

[21:18:15]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, if he is, that's broken

[21:18:22]

achew22:

no lirc

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achew22:

I was a little worried about using lirc to blast a STB with the HD-PVR

[21:19:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: so... I'm confused... you were suprised we were changing with firewire, yet you're using it now?

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achew22:

It didn't occur to me that you could use firewire to just change channels

[21:19:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: ah, ok. yeah, you can. ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A hasn't checked what's 'in the clear' on his firewire output yet... And may just stick with the HD-PVR for simplicity sake. ;-) **

[21:23:05]

achew22:

so it is worth the 200?

[21:23:14]

achew22:

do you get 1080i? 720p? or what?

[21:23:28]

dustybin:

double excellent :D

[21:23:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: I think so... ;-) up to 1080i.

[21:23:28]

dustybin:

000000037ff07bde 00 Right mceusb

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iamlindoro:

achew22, Yuo get whatever the input resolution is

[21:24:04]

achew22:

so it can handle all of that

[21:24:04]

iamlindoro:

achew22, So if your box puts out 720p, you get that... if it outputs 1080i, you get that

[21:24:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: I basically got mine for 'free' – well not really, but with an award at work that I couldn't convert to cash, so I "had" to spend it on amazon.com... ;-)

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achew22:

so it was worth it

[21:25:18]

achew22:

I was looking at the HDHomerun that was announced at CES. Does anyone know if they plan to make that one (with m-card) work with myth?

[21:25:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: very doubtful.

[21:25:38]

achew22:

I saw an interview with one of SiliconDust's technical guys and he said they were looking at it but it was far from a promise

[21:25:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: Even on windoze, it's encrypted when written to disk, only un-encrypted on the way out.

[21:26:24]

achew22:

well he was talking about the channels that didn't have the protect flag turned on

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