Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, May 30th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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saftsack:

iamlindoro: if i add it to layman as an overlay it isnt listed with layman -L

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ekristen:

sphery: no joy

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ekristen:

still broke

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ekristen:

maybe it doesn't like that I mounted a drive at /var/lib/mythtv or something

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ekristen:

same errors

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saftsack:

iamlindoro: who does layman now where to download it via git?

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ekristen:

sphery: device or resource busy — error setting format

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iamlindoro:

saftsack, This sounds like user error to me, but you can always ask on the users list

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iamlindoro:

saftsack, the XML *contains* the URL-- that's where it would download it

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saftsack:

but if i visit the homepage with the xml via browser i cannot see any url

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iamlindoro:

because you are looking at the rendered version of the XML, not the XML

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iamlindoro:

your browser isn't designed to show you XML

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saftsack:

sorry ... my fault

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saftsack:

with wget and vi i can see the url

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

is there a #layman?

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saftsack:

<overlay

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saftsack:

type = "git"

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ekristen:

iamlindoro and Beirdo I am getting these errors http://pastebin.ca/1874068

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saftsack:

seems like a missing > or?

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ekristen:

seems that it is having issue with /dev/video0 for some reason?

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ekristen:

hrm ... ok

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ekristen:

I think I figured out the problem

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iamlindoro:

saftsack, that is valid XML

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i think the proper channel would be #gentoo

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iamlindoro:

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wagnerrp:

saftsack: ^^^

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Beirdo:

or #random-non-mythtv-question :)

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ekristen:

now to figure out how to do storage groups

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cmadsen:

I just upgraded to mythbuntu 10.4 mythtv 0.23, and I no longer see the watched icons in the Watch Recordings screen

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iamlindoro:

If all you did was upgrade to 10.04, you're not using .23

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iamlindoro:

to get actual .23, you need to install the auto-builds repository and update to those

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iamlindoro:

10.04 is using pre-pre-pre-pre.23

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cmadsen:

system status says 0-23-fixes (24158)

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iamlindoro:

Whether the watched information is shown on the screen is up to the themer

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iamlindoro:

cmadsen, 24158 is not .23-fixes

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iamlindoro:

it is the -fixes branch before .23 was released

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cmadsen:

I don't know, that's just what it says

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iamlindoro:

And I'm telling you that's pre-pre-pre-pre.23

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cmadsen:

I'll try activating auto-builds

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iamlindoro:

But if you're not using a theme which uses the icons, it's sort of moot

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cmadsen:

it's the default 4:3 theme, same as I was using before

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iamlindoro:

There is not default 4:3 theme

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iamlindoro:

er no

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iamlindoro:

There is one default theme, which is 16:9

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cmadsen:

it's the MythCenter theme (not widescreen)

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iamlindoro:

K. Anyway, it's likely that what you are seeing was fixed in r24205

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iamlindoro:

six weeks ago

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iamlindoro:

So once you get to current fixes or even to thte actual .23 release, you would be fine

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Beirdo:

I think I need to go fetch a mythbeer

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** iamlindoro got an invite to hooters... by a lady... for free mythbeer tonight **

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iamlindoro:

Needless to say, I'll be leaving shortly

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: an employee? or a could-be-employee? :)

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iamlindoro:

could-be but non

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Beirdo:

good enough

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

mythbeer?

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Beirdo:

by all means... go, enjoy yerself :)

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: in my case, a double IPA made in Gig Harbor, WA

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Beirdo:

yum

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ekristen:

wtf my mythweb just went crazy on me

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ekristen:

where is the configuration file that holds the database information?

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wagnerrp:

httpd.conf

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saftsack:

nobody hears me at #gentoo. are some people here who have gentoo?

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iamlindoro:

mythweb.conf

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iamlindoro:

(isn't it?)

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wagnerrp:

well yeah, its an apache config file, normally included by http.conf

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ekristen:

ok nm everything is back to normal

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wagnerrp:

saftsack: a handful of gentoo users in here, but i dont know if any of us use mark's overlay, or layman at all for that matter

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ekristen:

I think a password got stored somewhere

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saftsack:

ok but if someone has layman may could test it. would be vey nice

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saftsack:

layman --overlays=http://cloud.github.com/downloads/MarcT/mt-mythtv/mt-mythtv.xml -L

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saftsack:

this gives me nothing back. is there something wrong in this line?

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saftsack:

i rewrote it in the format like it is here in example http://layman.sourceforge.net/

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saftsack:

now it works

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, the comment wasn't meant for you, it was to him since the ticket said to ask on the -users list and he asked on -dev.

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wagnerrp:

(a full month later)

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wagnerrp:

heh... a patch on the -dev list to add back the arrow key accelerators

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cmadsen:

I updated to auto-builds, and system status now reports 23-fixes (24879), but still no watched icons

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cmadsen:

does anybody know a 4:3 theme that indicates which shows I've watched (in Watch Recordings)

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cmadsen:

I know it's still tracking that, because hitting M will say "Mark as watched/unwatched" (whichever it isn't)

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wagnerrp:

i wonder how hard it would be to make actions themeable

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cmadsen:

but I can't see it unless I hit M

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sloth:

Hello... I have a new question: I have a Backend/Frontend setup. I imported a DVD as an ISO. When I go to the frontend and select Watch Videos it is not there.

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wagnerrp:

have you scanned?

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sloth:

wagnerrp, I scanned and it did find my video...However It does not play. It is an ISO. What am i missing?

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wagnerrp:

are you using storage groups?

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sloth:

yes...can I make a local folder?

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wagnerrp:

if you are using ISOs, you have to fall back to local access

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wagnerrp:

those dont work over storage groups

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sloth:

thanks!

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** wagnerrp burns himself with a soldering iron... repeatedly... **

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saftsack:

if i want to enter some variables to mythtv, then the font is unreadable small

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Beirdo:

wha?

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wagnerrp:

change X11's concept of how large your screen is

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wagnerrp:

remember that font 'point' is supposed to be a physical size, not a number of pixels

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saftsack:

ok will do this. thanks :)

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Beirdo:

1 point = 1/72" IIRC

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macavity:

Beirdo: that depends on what your screen DPI is set to

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macavity:

Beirdo: in the ideal world you are, afaik, right, but monitors that dont report their DPI via pnp gets it set to 96 or 100 depending on resolution

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wagnerrp:

macavity: no, 1 point is 1/72", anything else is simply misbehaving hardware or misconfigured software

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wagnerrp:

just because thats not what typically happens doesnt make it any less wrong

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Beirdo:

macavity: what wagnerrp said

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Beirdo:

1 point = 1/72" by definition

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Vilemaxim:

Having problems getting a TV Tuner to play audio... I think it's just the audio input that is not passing through correctly. Can anyone give me a few pointers on troubleshooting approaches. "Sound Properties" show input levels changing, but I'm not sure why it doesn't play.

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** J-e-f-f-A is wondering how he did without HD all this time... (not counting ATSC)... Star Wars looks incredible in HD... ;-) **

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saftsack:

someone in here who does sound over hdmi on a nvidia card?

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hpbox:

hi, I'm having some trouble getting mythtv to recognise my tv capture card, HaughPaugh 2250 following directions at http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-2200

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hpbox:

I don't have a /dev/dvb directory

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hpbox:

I have the v4l drivers..

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saftsack:

ouh kernel warning when using hdmi audio and no sound

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saftsack:

http://nopaste.info/889fd40ab2.html

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Beirdo:

I think ubuntu devs should be slapped around the head a bit... default install doesn't include vim!?

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Beirdo:

screw nano, this is UNIX, learn vi already

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wagnerrp:

heh... do any distros include it? gentoo doesnt either

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wagnerrp:

maybe they have vi, but i know they dont have vim

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Beirdo:

they put in vim.tiny... and then default EDITOR=nano

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wagnerrp:

at least freebsd still runs 'EDITOR=vi'

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

horray for the real Unixes

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Beirdo:

I know I'm an old fart Linux-wise

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Beirdo:

but still, these newfangled distros are retarded at times :)

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Beirdo:

oooh, Star Wars on Spike HD

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo, yep, watching/recording it in HD now. ;-) (Thanks to FiOS HD and HD-PVR...)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

wish I had tuners, etc setup already, but I'll make do with watching for now

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hpbox:

any ideas for getting a /dev/dvb directory?

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hpbox:

modprobe or something ?

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Kazan:

what happened to bluetube theme?

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wagnerrp:

the same thing that happened to all the other themes

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Kazan:

?

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wagnerrp:

no one wanted to update them for the new UI

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Kazan:

grrr

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Beirdo:

or nobody who wanted them was able to... hehe

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wagnerrp:

feel free to do so on your own

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wagnerrp:

or try the ones available in the separate themes package

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wagnerrp:

or any of the other ones listed here... http://mythtv.org/wiki/Themes

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wagnerrp:

seems LCARS and TransBlue never made it to that page

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wagnerrp:

blootube-osd is still around, but thats scheduled to get axed here in a couple days too

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** Beirdo smacks git around the head a bit **

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Beirdo:

forgot to setup email/name before committing. oops

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Beirdo:

had to reset, reapply, do a forced update to github. sucky

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you know anything about mediawiki?

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wagnerrp:

oh! nevermind, figured it out

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah, I used to know... but my memory sucketh

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wagnerrp:

it was already referenced once, so it automatically squelched it the rest of the times

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Beirdo:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

i needed to add a ':' at the beginning, to mark it as a reference, instead of a category for the page

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Kazan:

hey i got a question about mythweb and htdigest

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wagnerrp:

doesnt use one

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Kazan:

i'm getting errors "realm mismatch – got 'thorin' but expedted 'MythTV'"

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wagnerrp:

(i think) everything has been moved out to that mythweb.conf

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Kazan:

not .htaccess

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Kazan:

htdigest

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Kazan:

which is the file that stores your httpd authentication credentials

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wagnerrp:

yes, htaccess is still required for passworded access

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wagnerrp:

oh, i guess i have it backwards

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wagnerrp:

ignore me

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Beirdo:

Kazan: I'm sure you have a config issue

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Kazan:

yeah.. Digest: user 'kazan' in realm 'thoring' not found

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Kazan:

yes i'm sure i do

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Beirdo:

as in you told apache a different realm than you told the .htdigest file

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Beirdo:

or you are pointing at the wrong .htdigest

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Beirdo:

or something :)

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Beirdo:

oooh. they are going to mess up A-Team with a movie...

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Beirdo:

use Mr. T, you boneheads

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wagnerrp:

i pity the fool who uses someone else to play B.A. Baraccus

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

I'm sure he will be a poor substitution

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Beirdo:

I'll go watch it anyways

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Kazan:

i didn't give a realm when i htpasswed -c'ed

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Kazan:

and i don't see a way to specify the realm in htpasswd

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Beirdo:

umm

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Kazan:

i have the realm names matching now

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Beirdo:

htdigest

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Beirdo:

not htpasswd

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Kazan:

ah.. wiki article is out of date

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Beirdo:

unless my brain is screwed, you need to use htdigest to work on .htdigest :)

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Kazan:

yeah.. it was all htpasswd last time i configured this

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Kazan:

yay.. it didn't get security rejected

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Kazan:

but something is wrong still :D lol

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Kazan:

lol undefined function posix_getpwuid

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Kazan:

"mythweb now requires use of the Video Storage Group"?

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wagnerrp:

for the Video section, yes

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Kazan:

so what is the video storage group, and where do you define it

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Beirdo:

I'd hope that's in the documentation

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Beirdo:

and you do that in mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

yeah, http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo

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Kazan:

i just setup the default storage group and moved on

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Beirdo:

wow, that 50k scoville Cayenne pepper is pretty good :)

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Kazan:

why would i need a storage group for videos?

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Beirdo:

because that's how it works now

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wagnerrp:

Kazan: because you have multiple separate frontends, and dont want to manage NFS for each

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wagnerrp:

or even worse, you have your files spread out over multiple frontends, which ends up a big CF trying to mount all those NFS paths on boot

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Kazan:

but i don't have seperate frontends :D

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Kazan:

but i do have samba :D

[04:02:26]

Beirdo:

ewww

[04:02:30]

Beirdo:

samba sucks

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Beirdo:

it's MEANT to be used for Unix -> Windows not Unix -> Unix

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Kazan:

i only have one unix machine in my house :D

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Kazan:

only one backend and frontend :D

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wagnerrp:

most people in here would wonder why its not storing all your media

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Kazan:

it is\

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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Beirdo:

Whazzup, Bhaal?

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wagnerrp:

so then youre not using samba to access it from the frontend

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Kazan:

no.. i'm using samba to access it occasionally from my windows machines

[04:05:21]

Kazan:

the linux box is backend and frontend drivin the tv

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Beirdo:

ahh, so it's irrelevant to the conversation then :)

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Bhaal:

hi guys, quick question, is a P4–3gHz machine enough as a backend only system to watch HDTV? I only ask because I seem to have major issues with HDTV playback to the frontend, and I am not sure whether its the ATA drive thats used for the ring buffer or the 100mb network, or something else?

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Bhaal:

Beirdo: hey :) hows things?

[04:05:49]

wagnerrp:

anyway, storage groups in mythvideo are part of a general push to move a lot of previously frontend tasks to the backend

[04:05:58]

wagnerrp:

in this case, management of non-recording content

[04:06:24]

wagnerrp:

a backend-only machine does not watch HDTV, or any form of TV for that matter

[04:06:38]

Bhaal:

wagnerrp: you referring to me?

[04:06:43]

wagnerrp:

yes

[04:06:52]

Bhaal:

wagnerrp: Well okey, for the recording of the HDTV content...

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Beirdo:

Bhaal: not bad... as for your question... not quite sure, but I'd expect it should be able to deal with the bitrates involved, as long as you are doing hardware encoding, which I think HD would be

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wagnerrp:

for digital tuners and hardware encoders, the backend does little more than a data stream to disk

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wagnerrp:

and a P4 of any speed should have no trouble handling the 2–3MB/s of throughput needed for HD content

[04:07:43]

Beirdo:

it could be bad PCI implementation, I guess... but that should be rare

[04:07:47]

Bhaal:

wagnerrp: thats what I figured... Just wondering where my bottle neck is then... most likely the video card on the frontend I expect...

[04:08:04]

Beirdo:

more likely a frontend issue, yeah

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wagnerrp:

and the 'ringbuffer' doesnt really exist any longer

[04:08:31]

Bhaal:

ahhh okeys

[04:08:34]

wagnerrp:

for all recordings and livetv, it get stored directly to the hard drive

[04:08:46]

wagnerrp:

rather than in a looping pre-allocated chunk of disk

[04:09:13]

wagnerrp:

what is the frontend?

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Kazan:

someone have a good autoload script for frontend? for gnome (fedora 13)

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Bhaal:

Ive just upgraded to 0.23 .. so much nicer.. But still no luck for HDTV ...

[04:10:49]

wagnerrp:

for what purpose?

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Bhaal:

Okey, frontend is a celeron 430 cpu ...bbut for some reason its not showing the hyperthreading...

[04:11:57]

wagnerrp:

eew... yeah, not a chance with even HD MPEG2

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Kazan:

that frontend has zero chance

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Bhaal:

bugger it has no HT ... damn thing haha

[04:12:42]

Kazan:

hyperthreading = not real threading = zero performance gain on applications that do anything serious

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Bhaal:

Its okey wont be a problem to replace it...

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wagnerrp:

actually, thats a Conroe based Celeron, not an old Netburst?

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Bhaal:

Not sure... I don't know the CPU details that well anymore, got out of the system builder game years ago..

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wagnerrp:

ah, no... its Conroe-L, which is the old Core architecture, not Core2

[04:14:19]

Bhaal:

Well, Im gonna be buying an LCD next week, will probably spend a little extra and get a new CPU and video card...

[04:14:57]

wagnerrp:

a Core2 at 1.8 could probably handle full bitrate ATSC

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wagnerrp:

a Core would be marginal

[04:15:07]

wagnerrp:

and a P4 wouldnt stand a chance

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: not even with vdpau?

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Bhaal:

Otherwise though, the newest version is full of awesome, the new mythbuntu was a complete breeze to setup as well, only thing I had to do was drop my old lirc configs in.... Everything else was out of the box...

[04:15:38]

wagnerrp:

with VDPAU, all bets are off, because the CPU only gets used to decode the audio and shuffle data around

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Kazan:

with vdpau that's a different story :D

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wagnerrp:

you could probably get by with a pentium 1

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Beirdo:

yeah, but vdpau kinda means PCI-Express

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Beirdo:

heh

[04:16:05]

Kazan:

oh.. did you see vaapi now has backends for both vdpau and ATI's xbmc

[04:16:13]

wagnerrp:

no, you can get PCI versions

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Beirdo:

has for a while, Kazan

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wagnerrp:

you mean XvBA?

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Kazan:

that's it

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Kazan:

xbmc is xbox media center.. doh lol

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Beirdo:

and now that my fit-pc2 is up and running, I get to work on vaapi for mythtv as time allows

[04:16:47]

Kazan:

hey, i'm tired :D

[04:16:56]

Kazan:

awesome bierdo

[04:17:16]

Beirdo:

here's hoping it will be easy enough to dovetail in

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Beirdo:

:)

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Bhaal:

My video card is PCI-E ... how do I get vdpau working? I saw a howto, but figured mythbuntu would have it setup out of the box...

[04:17:55]

Kazan:

what's the chipset in that video card

[04:18:01]

Beirdo:

well, it has to be the right kinda card, etc too

[04:18:09]

Kazan:

here's the list

[04:18:10]

Kazan:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU

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Bhaal:

Kazan: GeForce 8400 GS

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wagnerrp:

Bhaal: since thats a socket775 chip, you could pick up a Wolfdale chip fairly cheaply that could handle just about anything you might want to throw at it

[04:18:32]

wagnerrp:

or... you can use VDPAU right now

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Kazan:

listed

[04:18:37]

wagnerrp:

and not have to buy anything

[04:18:42]

Kazan:

G98 core

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Kazan:

reported working

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wagnerrp:

Kazan: no, two different varients

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wagnerrp:

G86 and G98

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wagnerrp:

although both work with VDPAU

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Kazan:

yeah.. like i said.. g98 core

[04:19:16]

Kazan:

so he needs to make sure he has that variant

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wagnerrp:

you dont know what he has

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Bhaal:

:) okey, so how do I turn on vdpau?

[04:19:35]

Bhaal:

Sorry, it is a G98

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter either way

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Bhaal:

Maybe I should have pasted the full lspci line? :)

[04:20:01]

wagnerrp:

go into the playback profiles, specify 'VDPAU Normal'

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Bhaal:

Okey, will see what its set at

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Kazan:

Bhaal: it's in the wiki article

[04:20:39]

Kazan:

wagnerrp: he needs to make sure he compiled mythtv with vdpau support.. assuming he compiled it himself

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Beirdo:

mythbuntu

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Kazan:

i don't trust atrpms so i compile myself

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Beirdo:

hopefully they did :)

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Bhaal:

Kazan: opening the wiki now :)

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU is compiled in by default

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wagnerrp:

it would only be disabled if you didnt have the necessary libraries, or you intentionally disabled it yourself

[04:22:35]

Bhaal:

It has both VDPAU normal and High quality

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wagnerrp:

you want normal

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wagnerrp:

that card isnt fast enough for high

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Beirdo:

may the farce be with you

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** Bhaal falls off his chair **

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Bhaal:

IT WORKS!

[04:24:09]

Bhaal:

haha :)

[04:24:15]

Beirdo:

Sweet

[04:24:20]

Bhaal:

Thanks guys!

[04:24:31]

Bhaal:

I wonder if thats all I needed to do with 0.21 ? :S

[04:24:41]

wagnerrp:

no, 0.21 did not support VDPAU

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Beirdo:

VDPAU – giving more life to old hardware by offloading the work to the GPU

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Bhaal:

ahhh okeys

[04:25:27]

Bhaal:

Beirdo: Well at least I know I dont have to upgrade anything... And as Ive gone without HDTV this long Normal vs High Quality isnt an issue :)

[04:25:32]

Bhaal:

Hrm

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** Bhaal ponders... **

[04:25:52]

Beirdo:

I'm glad it will get by.

[04:25:59]

wagnerrp:

all it is is a difference in deint filters

[04:26:10]

wagnerrp:

the actual decoder is done in dedicated hardware

[04:26:18]

wagnerrp:

while the deint filters are implemented in shader code

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Beirdo:

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation System Controller Hub (SCH Poulsbo) Graphics Controller (rev 07)

[04:26:36]

Beirdo:

muhahah

[04:27:19]

Beirdo:

BTW, I'm not that far from Poulsbo

[04:27:28]

Beirdo:

it's on the other side of Puget Sound

[04:29:03]

Kazan:

you live around puget sound?

[04:29:07]

Kazan:

you lucky @#$%@age

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Beirdo:

I do now

[04:29:16]

Kazan:

i'm still stuck in iowa

[04:29:20]

Beirdo:

about 1 mile from it

[04:29:24]

Beirdo:

:)

[04:29:29]

Kazan:

writing ATM driving software, and soon financial switch software, for the Shazam banking network

[04:29:45]

Beirdo:

fun

[04:29:58]

wagnerrp:

thats like magic

[04:29:59]

Beirdo:

I do like it here in Seattle...

[04:30:22]

Beirdo:

will take a while to accumulate furniture, etc again though. Meh :)

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Bhaal:

Hey, for the record guys, the ASRock ION330 is almost capable of vdpau HDTV playback...

[04:31:04]

Beirdo:

I have TV though, so all is good

[04:31:15]

Bhaal:

Its dropping probably 10% of the frames...

[04:31:24]

Kazan:

it would be nice to get hired on by a company not run by nepotism and willing to pay what a good programmer is worth

[04:31:27]

wagnerrp:

non-vdpau?

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Kazan:

the intern i just trained from absolute-computing-newb to "can to basic C++ including OOP" just got hired on full time, to take over my current responsibilities when i move to the financial switch starting next week

[04:32:23]

Beirdo:

fun times

[04:32:25]

Kazan:

while he was the intern he told me once our boss said to him that I was the smartest person she's ever met.

[04:32:31]

Bhaal:

wagnerrp: well it was playing the HDTV mostly okey with vdpau turned on... Tis an dualcore Atom 330 with an Nvidia ION chipset...

[04:32:42]

wagnerrp:

any ION should have roughly the same capacity for VDPAU as your 8400GS

[04:32:44]

Kazan:

i have a four year comp sci degree, from Iowa State (Where the automatic digital computer was invented)

[04:33:10]

wagnerrp:

while the Atom is underpowered for most video tasks

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Kazan:

he doesn't even have an associates from the local "you got your computer degree there? NEXT PLEASE!" community college

[04:33:17]

Bhaal:

Well IONs arent listed in the wiki...

[04:33:20]

Kazan:

only getting paid 7k/year less than me

[04:33:27]

Kazan:

because his daddy is one of our old IBM mainframe programmers

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wagnerrp:

Bhaal: the 9400M used by the ION should be

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Bhaal:

wagnerrp: There is a bluray model of the ASrock so it should be able to handle it...

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Beirdo:

Kazan: such is life

[04:33:59]

Kazan:

so i'm LF better job if i catch wind of a good one :D

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Bhaal:

Anyway this is my workstation, not my TV :)

[04:34:18]

Kazan:

but in this state they're non-existant, and i cannot afford to move to where the jobs are – got student loan payments

[04:34:33]

Kazan:

if someone told us what adult life would be like when we were 14.. we would have sworn the entire idea off :D

[04:34:50]

Bhaal:

nice to know it can probably do it if I was running mythfrontend only and not zillions of Chrome's, evolution, xchat etc etc etc

[04:35:15]

Bhaal:

hehe

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Beirdo:

ahh, the old movies where you can hear sound in space...

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Beirdo:

heh

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Kazan:

old?

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Beirdo:

yeah. Star Wars

[04:36:36]

Kazan:

some of those aren't so old

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Kazan:

and very new movies have sound in space

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wagnerrp:

to be fair, you would 'hear' explosions

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Kazan:

its a physical inaccuracy we'll all accept

[04:37:08]

Kazan:

true.. you would "hear" the shockwave reverberating through your hull

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wagnerrp:

no, the gas has to go somewhere as its expanding out to near vacuum

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Kazan:

that too

[04:37:50]

Kazan:

but you would still essentially be hearing the shockwave

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Beirdo:

kinda like after a trip to Taco Bell

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Kazan:

that expanding gas would be the shockfront

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wagnerrp:

Kazan: as opposed to...?

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wagnerrp:

all sound is is a pressure wave

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Kazan:

there would also possibly be the sound of a sudden increase in external pressure from radiation pressure if it is an intense enough explosion

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Kazan:

ie your hull creeking

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Beirdo:

I dunno. Let's go up in a shuttle and blow up the ISS and find out

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Kazan:

not intense enough for noticeable radiation pressure

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Beirdo:

depends on if you nuke it...

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Kazan:

that might work :D

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wagnerrp:

thats the bigger fallacy, nukes do _nothing_ in space

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wagnerrp:

theres no explosion, just a ton of radiation

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Beirdo:

inside of the ISS isn't space :)

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Kazan:

wagnerrp: you do realize that radiation strikin a surface emits pressure on that surface, right?

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Kazan:

exerts*

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wagnerrp:

yeah, an absolutely trivial amount of pressure

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Kazan:

not necessarily trivial

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wagnerrp:

youre going to have more pressure from ablation of the surface from all that infrared than you are from the actual effect of the light

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Kazan:

however typically.. yeah trivial

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Kazan:

considering the flux density of insolation at earth's distance from the sun is 1370W/m^2 amd that only exerts 4.6 microPascals

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

ah well

[04:44:21]

Beirdo:

I wonder if Mythbusters is on this weekend... I need to see stuff being blown up in stupid ways

[04:50:12]

Beirdo:

so I bought a really nice travel mug today at a market...

[04:50:51]

Beirdo:

from a woodworker... he takes pieces of wood, creates blocks... then lathes them..

[04:51:16]

Beirdo:

so I have a travel mug with teak on the outside, and stainless steel mug insert

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Beirdo:

apparently the wood was from a pallet from a flooring company... the pallet had a load of teak flooring, and they used the offcasts to make the pallet itself

[04:52:35]

Beirdo:

can you imagine? a teak pallet. jeeZ

[04:53:28]

wagnerrp:

expensive pallet

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Beirdo:

yup, but worked out well for me

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

expensive mug too

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Beirdo:

but I like

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Beirdo:

he had walnut wood stuff, some purpleheart, etc.

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Beirdo:

lots of exotics, all recycled wood

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Bhaal:

We need someone like that here... Would be pretty cool

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** Bhaal has a clay mug atm... **

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Bhaal:

as in pottery

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

well, if you are in the Seattle area... :)

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** Bhaal hops on a plane from .au :) **

[05:00:36]

Beirdo:

bring some exotic wood with ya ;)

[05:00:42]

Bhaal:

hahaha

[05:00:46]

Beirdo:

he makes boomerangs too, BTW

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Beirdo:

heh

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Bhaal:

HAHAHA

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Beirdo:

not that I have any skill with that weapon at all

[05:01:41]

Bhaal:

So is it just my imagination or are the ivtv drivers much better in the latest kernels? ie: whats shipped with ubuntu 10.04?

[05:01:52]

Beirdo:

wouldn't surprise me

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Bhaal:

Much more crisp and clear video from the tuner cards then the previous versions

[05:02:48]

Bhaal:

Beirdo: Its funny, boomerangs are only really a weapon when they arent flying back at you...

[05:03:03]

wagnerrp:

i doubt much has changes since they went into the kernel... 2.6.24

[05:03:03]

Bhaal:

It usually means they have hit something...

[05:03:09]

Beirdo:

heh, yeah, to be an effective weapon, they ain't coming back

[05:03:28]

Beirdo:

very good point

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Bhaal:

Unless of course they hit the thrower on the way back :)

[05:03:38]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Bhaal:

Anyway, off to watch some tele

[05:04:26]

Beirdo:

have a good one

[05:04:54]

Beirdo:

have a beer too..

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Beirdo:

and I'm gonna watch a movie that Netflix sent me ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... looks like 6200ch is no longer distributed in the 'contrib' directory... Does that mean my patch to specify the inter-digit delay doesn't go through trac anymore?

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wagnerrp:

no, its on the wiki

[05:24:25]

wagnerrp:

edit at your pleasure

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wagnerrp:

and/or risk

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ah, ok. ;-)

[05:25:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

500ms was way too slow (IMHO) for an inter-digit delay... rather than hard-code it and goof up anyone that needs a delay that long, I made it an optional parameter, that defaults to 500. My box changes cleanly at 20ms, turning the 2-second thannel entry into less than one second. ;-)

[05:27:03]

wagnerrp:

well im sure it was needed by someone somewhere

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah... Humm... Looking at the version on the wiki, looks like it's newer than the one I had in my 0.23-fixes source tree... It's got options for 'menu' and 'exit' that mine doesn't... I'll have to pull that down tomorrow and make the same 'delay' option changes, then update the wiki. ;-)

[05:32:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

The 'exit' function would get that pesky OSD off the beginning of my recordings. ;-)

[05:33:26]

Nixon:

is there a way to play video games through mythtv using a hauppage 150 that doesn't have a 1 second delay?

[05:33:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

Nixon, Nope.

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wagnerrp:

there is no way to use a hauppauge without a delay

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Nixon:

what about another card?

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wagnerrp:

the mpeg encoder puts about a 1 second dalay in

[05:34:07]

wagnerrp:

mythtv puts another second or so of delay in

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wagnerrp:

framegrabbers run through tvtime wont have more than a frame or two of delay

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J-e-f-f-A:

Nixon, Perhaps a frame-grabber card, and Mplayer?

[05:34:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

^ yeah.

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Nixon:

but not possible through mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

no

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J-e-f-f-A:

Nixon, No, because everything in Myth is recorded, then played back. Even "LiveTV"

[05:35:58]

Nixon:

ok, bummer

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt expect you to get latency under half a second using s framegrabber with live streaming in VLC either

[05:36:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

Right.

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wagnerrp:

WTF

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wagnerrp:

refirbished iPads on woot already

[05:38:04]

wagnerrp:

have those even been out a month?

[05:38:25]

wagnerrp:

nevermind, misread... just an iPod

[05:39:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp, I was gonna say they could just be customer returns – nothing wrong with it, they just changed their mind... But iPod makes more sense. ;-)

[05:40:42]

mcl0vin:

my guide shows "Unknown"

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mcl0vin:

anyone here

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mcl0vin:

would like to see if someone using their smartphone as a controller for mythtv

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mzb:

mcl0vin: I got part of the way through writing a jabber bot for mythtv control

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mzb:

[backend]

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mzb:

lost interest ;)

[06:18:50]

mzb:

ie: im client on phone talks to mythtv-bot

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mzb:

I got as far as being able to search programmes, return a (paginated) list of results, and select results by number(s)

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mzb:

eg: # search Doctor Who

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mzb:

# record 3 5

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mcl0vin:

why stop

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mcl0vin:

mzb: i couldn't get my remote control to work, so i thought of using bluethooth instead

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Beirdo:

oh BLAH

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Beirdo:

how do I force ubuntu to reconfigure mysql, I wonder

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mzb:

mcl0vin: iirc there's a bluetooth app somewhere ... but I think it's a bit ancient

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mzb:

I ended up going for a wii-remote in the end

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mzb:

found a single charger stand on ebay, with a battery pack and a modified battery cover

[06:46:44]

mzb:

just recently replaced the (custom) batter pack with 2x 2400mAh AA NiMH batteries

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mcl0vin:

mzb: i can't get either to work with my mythbox. (IR or Bluetooth)

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mzb:

start with the easy stuff (lirc) and work up

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mzb:

I use myth_py_wii (modified)

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mzb:

I find it the *most* convenient (basic) remote by far

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mzb:

for *advanced* use I (occasionally) use an RF remote (with slide-out keyboard) [a cheap copy/replacement for the PS3 BD remote]

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mzb:

but tbh, if I need that much control I'm probably editing, in which case I use my workstation

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mcl0vin:

mzb: i am done speanding :)

[06:51:04]

mzb:

:)

[06:51:21]

mcl0vin:

i spend the last 4 weeks working with the lirc and no luck

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mzb:

depends what your time is worth .... and what you're aiming for

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mcl0vin:

:)

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mzb:

hmm ... then you're doing something wrong

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mzb:

btw: I bought 2nd hand wiimote + charger for < au$40 total (iirc)

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mcl0vin:

i tired everything thu, guys from #lirc helped me and couldn't get it to work

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mcl0vin:

yea but i have two brand new remotes :)

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mzb:

I find research works better than being led through a solution ... you learn more

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mcl0vin:

trust me i did

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mzb:

uhuh

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mzb:

what sort of receiver are you using?

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mcl0vin:

turns out it is a bug with my destro

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mzb:

meh

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mcl0vin:

u mean the STB

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mzb:

no

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mzb:

what device are you using to receive IR signals on the mythtv frontend?

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mcl0vin:

well i have the Hauppage HVR 1600

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sulx:

any experience with nvidia beta 256.29 and vdpau?

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[R]:

i saw its got a lot of fxies

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mzb:

and are you aware if the IR receiver on the HVR1600 is capable of receiving codes from "other" remotes?

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mcl0vin:

mzb: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1600.html

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sulx:

[R]: what about new features with new bugs?

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mzb:

(I assume you have a receiver that plugs into the rear of the card)

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[R]:

sulx: i dindt really see many features

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mcl0vin:

mzb: the whole issue is to get the IR receiver recognized and bond

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mzb:

right, so which distro?

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mcl0vin:

ubuntu 9.10

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mcl0vin:

i tired it with mythtv and mythbuntu

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mcl0vin:

same issue

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mzb:

and you have a link to a bug report?

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mcl0vin:

yep

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mcl0vin:

sec

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mcl0vin:

mzb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/454371

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mcl0vin:

2.6.31-21-generic

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mzb:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9270068&postcount=34

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mcl0vin:

brb

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mzb:

or http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8257616

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mzb:

not sure what ubuntu is doing with lirc atm, but the packages for Debian Squeeze default to driver==userspace

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mcl0vin:

tried that too

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mzb:

got it all plugged in atm?

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mcl0vin:

i have been Debian user for year and years since potato or woody and just convert to ubuntu less than 6month ago and i like it , except for now using it with mythtv :)

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mcl0vin:

mzb: are you asking me

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mcl0vin:

if so yes

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mzb:

$ dmesg | egrep -i "lirc|i2c"

[07:04:05]

mcl0vin:

[ 14.835446] tuner 2–0061: chip found @ 0xc2 (cx18 i2c driver #0–1)

[07:04:06]

mcl0vin:

[ 15.004272] cs5345 1–004c: chip found @ 0x98 (cx18 i2c driver #0–0)

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mzb:

$ sudo service lirc start

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mcl0vin:

lirc: unrecognized service

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mzb:

hehe

[07:06:57]

mzb:

$ find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) | grep lirc

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mzb:

$ dpkg -l | grep lirc

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mzb:

(pastebin that if >=3 lines)

[07:08:09]

mzb:

I have 2 minutes remaining ... use my time well ;)

[07:08:25]

mcl0vin:

http://pastebin.com/ZYznR5DE

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mzb:

$ lsmod | grep lirc

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mcl0vin:

dpkg -l | grep lirc ii liblircclient0 0.8.6–0ubuntu2 infra-red remote control support – client li

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mcl0vin:

ii lirc-modules-source 0.8.6–0ubuntu2 infra-red remote control support – kernel mo

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mcl0vin:

nothing for lsmod

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mzb:

$ sudo modprobe lirc_i2c

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mzb:

$ dmesg | tail

[07:10:19]

mzb:

$ ls -l /dev/lirc*

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mzb:

you're into overtime, and I'm going to get slapped in the back of the head if I get caught ;)

[07:10:57]

mcl0vin:

http://pastebin.com/hPP5XQe7

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mzb:

and you downloaded and built the latest v4l drivers?

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mcl0vin:

ls: cannot access /dev/lirc*: No such file or directory

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mcl0vin:

i beleive so

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mzb:

so you run a command like: hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb

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mzb:

(et al)

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mzb:

have you?

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mcl0vin:

(et al) ???

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mcl0vin:

i think i did , am running it now....adding maifests

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mzb:

eg: make && sudo make install

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Beirdo:

gah, mysql is being such a PITA for me

[07:14:00]

Beirdo:

I want the data dir on /opt/mysql (to put it on an external drive)

[07:14:03]

Beirdo:

no can do

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mzb:

right, because _if_ you haven't ... then you've NOT been reading the posts on that bug report

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mzb:

anyway ... must depart ... have fun mcl0vin

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mcl0vin:

mzb: leave me hanging like this

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mcl0vin:

not cool

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mcl0vin:

not cool

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mcl0vin:

hahahah

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mcl0vin:

mzb: aight, will talk to you later

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mcl0vin:

have a great one.....and thank you for helping me

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mcl0vin:

Beirdo: is it mounted

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mcl0vin:

i know stupid question

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Beirdo:

uh yeah

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Beirdo:

it just won't start up

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Beirdo:

so I'm gonna repartition the external drive

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mcl0vin:

*it...define please

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Beirdo:

and mount part of it at /var/lib/mysql

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Beirdo:

screw this

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mcl0vin:

hmmm...'fdisk -l

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zr0:

what is the best out of the box hardware to use for frontend under $300?

[07:19:35]

zr0:

or does this even exist?

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mcl0vin:

zr0: something that is less than 400$

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[R]:

best for what

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zr0:

i want something that is as turnkey as possible

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[R]:

linux works on pretty mucn most stuff

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zr0:

that hasn't been my experience..

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[R]:

most normla stuff*

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zr0:

i want decent stereo sound, smooth hd playback, so i don't need anything fancy

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[R]:

hd, see you dindt say that before

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[R]:

what kind of hd

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zr0:

1080p

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[R]:

1080p hd says nothing

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zr0:

ok..

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zr0:

i basically want to playback hd captured from a hdhomerun and hd-pvr

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[R]:

well hdhomerun is gonna be mpeg2, pretty mcuh any decent cpu is gonna play that

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[R]:

as for an hdpvr, you need a VERY VERY good cpu

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[R]:

and/or a video card capable of vdpau

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zr0:

hd-pvr is mpeg4, right?

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[R]:

its h264 mpeg4

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[R]:

and its single sliced

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haffe:

Is transcoding GPUaccelerated yet?

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zr0:

so what mini-itx board could i get that has a video card that can handle that?

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haffe:

That seems to me to be the next idea.

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[R]:

zr0: any ion

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[R]:

haffe: no

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Beirdo:

haffe: give me time

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zr0:

ion is the name of the company or the board?

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Beirdo:

that idea was mine... like 4 years back :)

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Beirdo:

and now it's a lot more possible

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[R]:

zr0: ion an nvidia "brand"... it's a board with an atom and an nvidia 9400m

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[R]:

zr0: a "concept"

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zr0:

ok cool

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zr0:

so i guess you guys are biased, but i'm trying to decide between sagetv and myth.. what is the consensus on how stable myth is?

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zr0:

like does it run 24x7 without crashing for several weeks, months, etc?

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Beirdo:

it's software.

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Beirdo:

it has bugs

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Beirdo:

and so does anything else

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Beirdo:

but pretty much, it stays running for most people. also depends if you change stuff, etc

[07:30:39]

Beirdo:

if you follow svn trunk (which I don't suggest for newbies!) it will be in various stages of stability as it's being worked on

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** sid3windr has a minutely cronjob to keep the backend up **

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lapion:

well imo mythtv has a backend that doesn't need a frontend to work,

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Beirdo:

if you use 0.23, you are likely good

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zr0:

well sure, i'm just saying as far as the stable branch goes

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lapion:

this makes it less of a burden for the system

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sid3windr:

(for .21-fixes)

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Beirdo:

lapion: our opinion doesn't matter

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

heeh

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Beirdo:

I'm being silly of course

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zr0:

i'm more concerned with the stability of the backend

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Beirdo:

I think I need more beer

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Beirdo:

lapion: carry on... ignore my silliness

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zr0:

btw, does myth support transcoding on the fly?

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justinh:

zr0: no

[07:33:10]

zr0:

hmm

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justinh:

like anybody has a fast enough system to transcode to a usable format in real time

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[R]:

zr0: theres some people that have issues with stability with the pdvr

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[R]:

hdpvr*

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justinh:

anyway it's not like HDD space is expensive these days

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justinh:

and it's not like everything is worth keeping :)

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[R]:

as a guy at my work says

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[R]:

hd space is essentially free

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zr0:

i mean like transcoding from mpeg4 to mpeg2

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lapion:

why would you do that ?

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zr0:

for a frontend that can only handle mpeg2 say

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justinh:

meh

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lapion:

unless you want to create dvds

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wangdoodle:

myth won't play dvd's since upgrading mythbuntu to 10.04. nothing happens. VLC still plays them, and I can mount them fine. Any ideas?

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lapion:

there additions to the frontend that allow you to play mp4

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[R]:

wangdoodle: what does the verbose outout from the frontend say

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justinh:

wangdoodle: see the output of mythfrontend -v playback

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justinh:

and please define 'won't play'

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justinh:

it's possible the path of your optical drive has changed since you upgraded distro

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lapion:

make sure the dvd doesn't have some form of copy protection

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justinh:

anyway I thought mythbuntu had their own channel ;-)

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lapion:

oops.. if vlc plays it it possibly isn't

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wangdoodle:

gotta start that machine to give you the output.

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wangdoodle:

as for 'won't play': when you press enter with the cursor over "play dvd" absolutely nothing happens.

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justinh:

yeah I'd be checking the optical drive path if I were you

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justinh:

and then check the privileges of the user you run mythfrontend as to make sure it has permission to use optical drives

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wangdoodle:

but if I can eject the dvd from the same menu, is it likely to be the drive path ?

[07:45:00]

haffe:

What would you guys do in my situation? I have an old C2Dmotherboard lying around, together with a really nice PSU (corsair VX). Should I get a CPU, ram och GPU for that motherboard, or should I just go with an ION? I am looking at buildning a mythbox/nas/wlan router.

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wangdoodle:

justinh: user can play dvds with vlc so I'm guessing perms on the device are ok too

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justinh:

wangdoodle: definitely need to see the output of mythfrontend then. it shouldn't booted by now surely

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justinh:

er should've

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wangdoodle:

justinh: yeah, just went and checked it out. mythfrontend is segfautling. That's a step back from yesterday

[07:51:21]

wangdoodle:

justinh: um, never used pastebin before. give me a minute

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wangdoodle:

justinh: mythfrontend -v playback = http://mythtv.pastebin.com/gbbhuNVs

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wangdoodle:

are transcripts of these chats archved anywhere like mail list discussions are?

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justinh:

transcripts? somebody is writing down everything I say? :-O

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justinh:

looks like the upgrade failed, for one thing

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wangdoodle:

I ask because I my isp is dirt cheap, but I get booted every so often and must redial. If an answer comes while I am off line, that'd suck

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wangdoodle:

justinh: that's a database upgrade error, not myth itself

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justinh:

yup I know

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justinh:

wangdoodle: this channel is logged. see http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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wangdoodle:

it's been doing that since I upgraded to 0.22

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justinh:

!

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justinh:

wangdoodle: oh, and mythdvd is part of mythvideo – so the db schema upgrade failing likely has something to do with dvd playback not working

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wangdoodle:

justinh: to be more precise, the music schema upgrade failure started with the upgrade to 0.22

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wangdoodle:

justinh: the error about eh video schema started with 0.23

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wangdoodle:

s/eh/the/

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wangdoodle:

justinh: even so, until tonight where mythfrontend is segfaulting, once I acknowledged the two schema upgrade failures, I could watch tv

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justinh:

unable to execute query? how does anything work at all?

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justinh:

looks like your database is fried

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justinh:

Incorrect file format 'archiveitems'

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wangdoodle:

I should explain that I never bothered with schedules direct so there has never been anything in the database

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justinh:

why are you even bothering with mythtv then?

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justinh:

I should explain that *everything* in mythtv is in the database

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justinh:

all settings, all metadata.. not just the programme guide

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wangdoodle:

because I can, because it is so much cooler to watch tv on a computer with an add in card than on a tv, because I love linux, because my tv tanked and I had all the gear but for the tv card lying around :) pick a reason :)

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wangdoodle:

but, why would I be able to (until tonight that is) watch tv at least without the db

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justinh:

you wouldn't

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justinh:

but I think at least some of the database tables are hosed

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wangdoodle:

anyway to rebuild them?

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justinh:

time to restore that db backup

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justinh:

try mysqlcheck

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justinh:

IMHO anybody who doesn't back up their mythtv database regularly is somebody who won't mind losing all their stuff forever unless they get extremely lucky

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sid3windr:

look who's talking :D

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justinh:

I got extremely lucky, and besides I *thought* my db backup script had been working :P

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justinh:

extremely lucky meaning that the tables I needed to recover were actually recoverable

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justinh:

and that I actually knew how to recover them :)

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sid3windr:

narf

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sid3windr:

jamu is hating me

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justinh:

dialup. pfft!

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wangdoodle:

justinh: looks like it might be time to reinstall. Can't remember my mysql password at the moment and since the frontend won't start, I can't look it up in setup

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wangdoodle:

so I can't give you any mysqlcheck output

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wangdoodle:

Thanks for the help though!

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sid3windr:

(or you could just reset the password)

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Beirdo:

heh

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xand:

haha

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Beirdo:

most users leave it at mythtv/mythtv I'd bet

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lapion:

I am having problems switching tvsource on remote systems

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lapion:

when I switch from analog to dvb I just get a black screen

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lapion:

frontend minimal loggin: http://pastebin.org/292357

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lapion:

can anyone help..

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lapion:

nvm I just had to switch off vdpau

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lapion:

no support for vdpau on GeFroce 7300 LE

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[Yatta]:

I noticed when i watch LiveTV the pictures resolution is off....in Recording Profiles i have the res @ 720x480

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banksy:

Running 0.23+fixes here, and playing with mythnetvision. Trying to get it to play internet radio (not video). Anyone done this? I added RSS feed of VLC playable streams but MNV gets stuck at "Loading". RSS feed I use is http://feeds.internode.on.net/radio.rss (restricted to ISP customers only) but you get the idea... Not even sure which log to look in?

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RDV_Linux:

banksy: MNV does not support audio right now as MythBrowser does not support audio streaming or mp3 files. The only exception id the BBC iplayer grabber in trunk but in that case audio plays through Flash.

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RDV_Linux:

banksy: In the future it is expected that audio will also be supported.

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saftsack:

hi, has someone in here a good working jamu.conf?

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RDV_Linux:

saftsack: Yes I do but what is the issue. Also there is on called jamu-example.conf that comes with the distribution that you could copy.

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saftsack:

yes i am in that example config. but i thought that maybe some german is in here, who has a good working config for files with german title, too.

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RDV_Linux:

saftsack: Not mine.

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Dupie_:

Does anybody know how to setup mythtv connected to a switch having 4 quattro's ?

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saftsack:

RDV_Linux: are you saving the metadata to the database or in the filesystem directly?

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wagnerrp:

the database

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wagnerrp:

everything in mythtv uses the database

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RDV_Linux:

saftsack: With any -M option Jamu saves metatdata directly to the database.

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wagnerrp:

the only thing external files are ever used for are artwork and temporary cache

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saftsack:

furthermore i have some files which are called "Mein.cooler.Onkel.Charlie...." in english it would be "Two.and.a.half.men". so whats the best way to handle them? Interactive mode, rename all files, translate option?

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mzb:

mcl0vin: got it working?

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wagnerrp:

go onto thetvdb.com, and add the show in german

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mzb:

(had to go out for dinner with in-laws ... got in heaps of shit for being late, so I hope you achieved _something_!)

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wagnerrp:

mzb: language...

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saftsack:

wagnerrp: nice tip. would be the best thing, and for all others too. thanks!

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: does JAMU pull the language from the database? or do you have to specify it in the conf file

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wagnerrp:

saftsack: all of the grabbers provided with mythvideo will accept a language argument

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wagnerrp:

and will try to pull the content for that show in that language, before falling back to english

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saftsack:

yes put the language in it (de). but on thetvdb.com nothing can be found unter "mein cooler onkel charlie" so there is the information lack

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: You can specifiy it in the conf file (my preferred method) or on the command line e.g. -l de

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saftsack:

is it possible to add a link on this site?

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mzb:

wagnerrp: ... nm ;)

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mzb:

s/trouble

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: To be accurate ttvdb.py supports multi-languages but only the trunk version of tmdb.py supports multi-languages. This is because TMDB only started with that support a few weeks ago,

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wagnerrp:

oh, i knew tmdb.pl didnt support it, but i thought the -fixes version of tmdb.py did

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RDV_Linux:

saftsack: If TVDB is missing the titles in your language then join and add them.

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: No my patch was only added to trunk.

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saftsack:

RDV_Linux: No AKA exsist for this series, but there is no button to add an alias ... maybe you can give me the hint ... you are more experienced in using the database

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mzb:

zr0: fwiw, I've been running mythtv for about 3 years. In that time, and after hardware changes and software upgrades I've presented a reasonably "unified" interface to the members of my family.

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mzb:

in the same time period, friends and family have bought various alternative solutions (recorders/etc) that appeared "acceptable" (although no where near as good as mythtv) but which have died within 18 months

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RDV_Linux:

saftsack: Assuming you sign up to thetvdb.com and then you can edit a TV series and add information specific to a language. See their site for details,

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mzb:

and/or have not presented the same interface/remote/etc once it's necessary to upgrade hardware/software/etc

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saftsack:

yes i am logged in and on the two and a half men site. but there the title is "Two and a Half Men" but i dont want to delete it. i want to add "mein cooler onkel charlie" as an alias

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RDV_Linux:

saftsack: I just have not added any multi-language information so cannot help. May be they have some documentation,

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saftsack:

ok then i will try to figure it out

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saftsack:

http://www.mythtv.org/w/images/1/16/Arclight.png what skin is this?

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highzeth:

filename gives it away ;)

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Vilemaxim:

Trying to get audio passthough working, but I get no volume. I recorder app will capture the sound, but mythtv, tvtime etc will not play sound from the turner. Can anyone recommend troubleshooting steps

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RDV_Linux:

saftsack: Arclight it comes with 0.23

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koala_man:

is the wrapping in mythvideo configurable? like when you press left on the left side of the screen, you wrap over to the right (or rather, you did before but not in 0.22)?

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oobe:

koala_man, not really but you can edit video-ui.xml for the theme you are using

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oobe:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development

[15:10:44]

wagnerrp:

koala_man: right, its themable, but not configurable

[15:12:23]

nobody88:

Hi, I get an segemntation fault in mythbackend when I start mythfrontend.I tried to debug with gdb. the result is here: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/ZvW75MEf . Does it mean I have a problem with my nvidia driver or what could the problem be?

[15:12:35]

oobe:

it bothers me that some themes dont allow wrapping too i just relised it would be easy to use sed on some startup script somewhere to change it

[15:12:58]

oobe:

I might do that tommorow

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wagnerrp:

sed on a startup script?

[15:14:28]

wagnerrp:

you would have to re-edit the theme every time you booted?

[15:14:39]

oobe:

its just that if I use mythbuntu or somthing else that updates the themes

[15:14:52]

oobe:

like updates

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oobe:

its just an idea

[15:16:31]

oobe:

no it would not do anything if it is already the way i want it

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koala_man:

oobe, wagnerrp: so is this wrapstyle or is that just for menu lists?

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den0ts__:

hey im trying to get mythweb's streaming to work on an android 2.2 device with flash player

[15:27:16]

den0ts__:

the person who tested it out said he gets this http://i49.tinypic.com/35kv2nk.jpg

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achew22:

den0ts__: are you hebs?

[15:28:12]

wagnerrp:

do you not exist?

[15:28:35]

wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

its a dyndns domain

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achew22:

up for the serve and wagnerrp SPIKES it right in the sand

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haffe:

wagnerrp: Isn't that a very philosophical question?

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achew22:

sed /serve/set/g

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wagnerrp:

usually errors like that mean apache cannot access the files

[15:29:39]

wagnerrp:

is the web server run on the same machine that recorded these files?

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achew22:

if you go to http://hebs.doesntexist.org/mythweb it asks for a username/password

[15:30:01]

achew22:

my bet is that /pl/stream is pass protected

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wagnerrp:

if not, do you otherwise have them NFS mounted in the same exact path?

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wagnerrp:

achew22: yeah, but it should be cookied

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achew22:

I don't think flash does those cookies

[15:30:45]

achew22:

I could be way off on that

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den0ts__:

yes i am hebs

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wagnerrp:

or apache recognizes the session then

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achew22:

let me add a password to my mythweb really quick

[15:31:16]

den0ts__:

wagnerrp yes its all on the same machine

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wagnerrp:

den0ts__: check your apache error logs

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den0ts__:

lemme google

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achew22:

well... I'm wrong

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den0ts__:

where would the error log be located

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wagnerrp:

/var/log most likely

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oobe:

koala_man, change <wrapstyle>items </wrapstyle> or whatever to <wrapstyle>selection</wrapstyle>

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koala_man:

ah ok yes, the gallery is a button list so <wrapstyle>selection</wrapstyle> works

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oobe:

cool

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koala_man:

yes, except there was no <wrapstyle> there to begin with

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koala_man:

thanks oobe!

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oobe:

sometimes you have to add it in

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oobe:

it can be specified for each view i.e gallery list etc.

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DingooDigitalUSA:

Any one need Kingston SDHC Class 6 Flash Cards I have 4 each of the following 8GB 16GB 32GB

[15:41:43]

DingooDigitalUSA:

Asking $40.00 USD for 32GB $30.00 USD for 16GB and $20.00 USD for 8GB

[15:41:43]

DingooDigitalUSA:

Like this card: http://www.amazon.com/SDHC-trade-Memory-Card-Class/dp/B001F1Z4JA

[15:41:43]

DingooDigitalUSA:

If so contact me at justin.barwick@dingoo-digital-usa.com for details...

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wagnerrp:

someones going on the porn-of-the-minute mailer....

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den0ts__:

ok im tailing the error log wagnerrp but i gotta find someone with android 2.2 to test it out

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achew22:

den0ts__: if it works from your browser then it should work on your phone. Have you tried it there yet?

[15:44:22]

den0ts__:

yes it works in my browser locally

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den0ts__:

and at work

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achew22:

and it doesn't work on the phone?

[15:44:39]

den0ts__:

but its not working for a friend in android 2.2

[15:45:31]

achew22:

and the exact same show works on your computer locally and at work?

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den0ts__:

lemme make sure

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achew22:

I'm looking at the doxygen for mythtv-trunk and under libraries under libmythui it says "the touchscreen gesture..." but the wiki doesn't have any more information at a quick glance. Is this something that isn't implemented?

[15:52:05]

wagnerrp:

no, gesture support is planned, but not yet implemented

[15:52:27]

wagnerrp:

touchscreens are the primary reason the mythui rewrite got any form of mouse support at all

[15:53:07]

achew22:

Do you know how coupled mythUI is? Could it be used to write a standalone program?

[15:53:25]

iamlindoro:

Note that MythUI *does* have some gesture support already

[15:53:48]

iamlindoro:

click on the right middle of your screen and drag all the way left in the middle and look at your logs, for example

[15:54:08]

wagnerrp:

oh? i thought gbee got burned out and decided to take a break before he got to that

[15:54:23]

iamlindoro:

That said, it appears to get locked in a loop once you do, yay

[15:54:54]

[Yatta]:

Morning.... is there a way i can change the resolution of watching LiveTV.... it is lke the picture is zoomed in when wathcing LiveTV

[15:55:08]

den0ts__:

wagnerrp yes i just had 2 people test from their pc's remotely

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den0ts__:

no errors

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den0ts__:

played the stream fine

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wagnerrp:

is that some setting you need to enable?

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[Yatta]:

well i guess what i reallly want to know.. or if someone can point me in the right direction....

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achew22:

iamlindoro: thats neat, "Gesture: Left"

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achew22:

didn't lock up for me

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iamlindoro:

achew22, it's not a lock up

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[Yatta]:

When i do Play LiveTV... there is a delay from my button presses on the STB ..... like a 4sec delay...

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iamlindoro:

and unless you're running current trunk it's probably not a direct comparison

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achew22:

iamlindoro: you're right. I'm running .23-fixes

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[Yatta]:

i'm not using irw or anything liek that.. just using the normal cable box remote to change station or bring up guide...

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: are you sure opening the logs is default behavior, and not something you set while testing it?

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justinh:

Beirdo: ubuntu/debian users don't get a choice initially. random, or random :-\

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wagnerrp:

i see the gesture reported to the log, but it does nothing

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wagnerrp:

[Yatta]: 'w' cycles through myth's zoom modes

[16:01:30]

wagnerrp:

if everything is zoomed in, UI included

[16:01:37]

wagnerrp:

you need to go into the settings, and the screen setup wizard

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wagnerrp:

to tune mythtv for your TV's overscan

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den0ts__:

wagnerrp so no ideas?

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den0ts__:

it worked on multiple people's pc's

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wagnerrp:

for why a PC would play it and a droid wouldnt? i couldnt even guess on that one

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justinh:

wagnerrp: I wouldn't use the wizard thing. it's broken

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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wagnerrp:

it causes funkiness if you try to use it a second time without resetting

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justinh:

yeah I tried it on my new frontend install & it's completely foobar

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den0ts__:

its not a droid

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justinh:

heh that was it wagnerrp

[16:03:45]

den0ts__:

nexus 1 rooted and 2.2 installed and flash player installed

[16:03:57]

den0ts__:

not mine, a friends

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justinh:

you can only use it once. get it right 1st time cos 2nd edits only screw things up badly

[16:04:03]

den0ts__:

i have an obsolete g1

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den0ts__:

cant run 2.2

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dustybin:

justinh: i got my joggler now, the O2 software sucks

[16:04:19]

den0ts__:

im waiting for the sidekick twist

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wagnerrp:

justinh: id call it horribly bugged, but not outright broken

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den0ts__:

will be made by htc running android 2.1, 1ghz processor, 512 ram, 16 gigs on board storage, 4.3" superamoled screen

[16:05:02]

den0ts__:

and qwerty

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wagnerrp:

i mean it does work that first time after all.... :)

[16:07:30]

justinh:

when I first did it I had to work within the limitations of the UI code

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justinh:

it could still do with the ui being able to draw on the whole screen & then only paint the ui in a certain area :)

[16:08:17]

wagnerrp:

can you simply not display outside the bounds set by the UI at all?

[16:08:33]

justinh:

I don't think so, not with qt in the way

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den0ts__:

http://i49.tinypic.com/35kv2nk.jpg

[16:09:04]

den0ts__:

so nobody knows why someone would get that when trying to stream mythweb to android 2.2?

[16:09:33]

justinh:

this guy doesn't know why someone would bother trying to stream recordings to a mobile device :)

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justinh:

maybe some problem with flowplayer not working properly on some flash implementations?

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den0ts__:

justin who should i talk to about this?

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den0ts__:

mythtv developers or should i contact flowplayer

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[Yatta]:

wagnerrp: i'll try that out thanks

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den0ts__:

http://flowplayer.org/forum/5/42448#post-42448

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den0ts__:

i just created that post

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den0ts__:

is that the right section?

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wagnerrp:

their forum, not ours

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[Yatta]:

wagnerrp: Any clue on the delay with the remote presses?

[16:24:56]

wagnerrp:

because mythtv is not live... ever

[16:25:30]

wagnerrp:

mpeg encoder cards add latency, mythtv adds latency

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wagnerrp:

all totaled, it usually adds to 2–4 seconds, on top of whatever the channel change latency of your STB is

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[Yatta]:

ohhh....

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wagnerrp:

its a side effect of recording everything

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[Yatta]:

so it would really be better if i use the internal channel guide?

[16:27:10]

wagnerrp:

most people who get comfortable with mythtv stop using livetv

[16:27:33]

wagnerrp:

they tell it anything they might want to watch

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wagnerrp:

and then actually watch it at some later time

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[Yatta]:

true... but there would be another person who would use this... an i know she'll watch LiveTV at time

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achew22:

[Yatta]: I have a similar situation

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wagnerrp:

then shell have to do with those limitations that all DVRs suffer to some extent or another

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achew22:

my solution was to go through a listing and pick about 15 shows that my roomate's enjoy

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wagnerrp:

mythtv may be a bit worse than most, because of the divide between the frontend and backend

[16:30:40]

wagnerrp:

but no DVR will function in real time in the manner a TV would

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den0ts__:

wagnerrp when i googled the error

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den0ts__:

they tell people to install rtmp

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sid3windr:

http://paste-it.net/public/q31adbc/

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sid3windr:

I am confused :/

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wagnerrp:

wont do any good, mythweb does not stream using rtmp

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sid3windr:

adding -N does not help (that dir is on nfs)

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den0ts__:

k

[16:36:44]

** sid3windr gently pokes RDV_Linux **

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RDV_Linux:

sid3windr: You called?

[16:37:53]

sid3windr:

paste-it link above is an error I get from jamu

[16:37:59]

sid3windr:

if you have a few minutes maybe you can help me out :)

[16:38:03]

sid3windr:

if not I'll try to poke some more

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sid3windr:

into the code/config

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sid3windr:

s/poke/peek/ :)

[16:38:46]

sid3windr:

it's complaining about those 4 settings even though afaics I set them, and the directories are all existant and writable

[16:40:35]

sid3windr:

hmm

[16:40:59]

sid3windr:

looks like I need to configure some storage groups in mythtv itself instead of specifying the directories in the configuration file?

[16:41:26]

RDV_Linux:

sid3windr: I assume you are using a "-M" option. When using "-M" jamu ignores the config file directories and gets the directories from the MythTV data base. If you are not using storage groups then you must use a FE on the BE to set local directories.

[16:42:18]

RobertLaptop:

I am using mythdora and this is a new install. I keep getting "Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt" when restarting the backup. I have double checked both /root and /home/mythtv and the both have .mythtv\mysql.txt and they are both owned but the required user and suggests?

[16:42:27]

sid3windr:

ahhh

[16:42:33]

sid3windr:

okay, now I get it

[16:42:44]

sid3windr:

because the settings were also set in mythtv, but on a frontend, not on the backend itself

[16:42:53]

sid3windr:

makes sense now, heh, thanks.

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wagnerrp:

anyone here read russian?

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[Yatta]:

sorry not me... barely can read english :D

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wagnerrp:

there were a couple russian user accounts on the (english language) wiki

[17:02:23]

wagnerrp:

that have been sitting dormant for over a year, and were likely garbage spam pages

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achew22:

wagnerrp: I can't help because I don't know russian or anyone who does but why do you need someone who speaks/reads russian?

[17:03:42]

wagnerrp:

^^^

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achew22:

to clean the wiki?

[17:04:20]

wagnerrp:

uh huh

[17:04:39]

achew22:

could you try google translating it to see if they are speaking about russian viagra?

[17:04:56]

wagnerrp:

they each had half a dozen links at the bottom

[17:05:09]

wagnerrp:

that seemed to be ads for hp/acer computers

[17:05:55]

wagnerrp:

but on some 'rape you and your credit cards, and steal your organs' russian website

[17:06:20]

haffe:

Ohhh, the images in my head.

[17:06:29]

haffe:

How would one go about raping a credit card?

[17:06:44]

achew22:

haffe: a large magnet

[17:06:45]

justinh:

give it to a russian guy? ;-)

[17:06:58]

wagnerrp:

you use a demmel and put a hole in the center

[17:07:05]

haffe:

Ahhh.

[17:07:15]

achew22:

haffe: or any linear combination of those 3

[17:07:19]

haffe:

Not as grapich as I thought, but verye effective.

[17:07:36]

jarle:

I have a new show the airs several times each day, I have setup a power search with "Record one showing of this title each day" and search forprogram.title LIKE 'Nyhetene%'AND channel.channum = '6401' AND HOUR(program.starttime) >=18 I have turned of dupe-checking for this rule, however it will not record the first showing of this title (at 18:30), it keeps saying this show was previously recorded??

[17:08:35]

jarle:

"one showing of this title each day" means one recording on each *date*, correct?

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achew22:

jarle: why did you go for the power search over "Record this program in this timeslot every day"?

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jarle:

achew22: because the title changes on saturday to "Nyhetene og Sporten", so I need a generic rule

[17:17:54]

achew22:

then why not use just " Record this program in this timeslot every day."?

[17:18:04]

jarle:

I am wondering if "each day" means within the last 24H, or each date.

[17:18:28]

RobertLaptop:

date

[17:19:50]

jarle:

achew22: And what do you suggest I set as timeslot?

[17:20:50]

jarle:

RobertLaptop: strange, my recording rule will only record showings at 21:00, all the 18:30 recordings says that this show will be recorded at an *earlier* time....

[17:21:16]

achew22:

I think I get it

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achew22:

do you have another recording going on at that time?

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RobertLaptop:

It is possible that changed in later releases.

[17:22:18]

RobertLaptop:

I am attempting to upgrade to .23 right now

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jarle:

achew22: I do have another recording going on, but there should not be any conflict

[17:26:43]

jarle:

Strange, if I force the 18:30 recording to be recorded for tomorrow, *todays* 21:00 recording says that it will be recorded at a later time instead. So it seems like todays 21:00 recording, and tomorrows 18:30 recording is treated as the same date???

[17:26:49]

RobertLaptop:

The key word there is should

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achew22:

I think the recording scheduler is deciding that it likes the other show more

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achew22:

if you up the priority to a big number that might fix it

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cleith:

Hello

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wagnerrp:

jarle, use a custom rule that will match multiple titles

[17:31:00]

cleith:

Anybody here good with ripping DVDs?

[17:31:07]

jarle:

wagnerrp: program.title LIKE 'Nyhetene%'AND channel.channum = '6401' AND HOUR(program.starttime) >=18 will do that, no?

[17:31:22]

achew22:

cleith: are you in the US or Japan?

[17:31:31]

cleith:

Nope

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achew22:

good

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jarle:

wagnerrp: it seems to prefer "Nyhetene" at 21:00 instead of "Nyhetene og sporten" at 18:30

[17:32:25]

achew22:

you should look at handbrake

[17:32:32]

cleith:

I think I have ripped a DVD to a *.vob file sitting in /opt/dvd, but when I go to watch it, myth thinks there are no videos

[17:32:53]

wagnerrp:

cleith: have you scanned for videos?

[17:33:05]

cleith:

no

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cleith:

how do I do that?

[17:33:15]

jarle:

wagnerrp: I would prefer it to record the show at 18:30 if possible, and choose the 21:00 recording only if it has to in order to avoid conflict

[17:34:31]

cleith:

achew22: checking out handbrake, thanks. Do you not use myth to rip?

[17:34:55]

achew22:

cleith: yeah, I use brasero to make iso's for exact copies

[17:35:23]

cleith:

achew22: can you play the iso's on myth?

[17:35:25]

achew22:

then use handbrake to transcode from ISO to m4v

[17:35:31]

achew22:

yeah, you can play ISO's from mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

if youre not using storage groups

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achew22:

they don't work with storage groups?

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wagnerrp:

not at current

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achew22:

hrm... that shows what I know

[17:37:13]

cleith:

I'm a little confused about storage groups. I just set one big dir (/opt/video) for recordings. is that by default a storage group?

[17:37:33]

wagnerrp:

yes, recordings are all saved to storage groups

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AndyCap:

ORDER BY starttime? is that allowed? :P

[17:37:38]

wagnerrp:

by default the 'Default' storage group

[17:37:53]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: sure, but i dont know if it would actually have any effect

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jarle:

wagnerrp: I was thinking that myth would try to record the showing as early as possible?

[17:38:36]

cleith:

I set a different dir for dvd ripping (/opt/dvd). The rip seemed to land there, but how do I point myth to it for playing?

[17:39:08]

cleith:

wagnerrp: you mentioned scanning?

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achew22:

cleith: have you entered /opt/dvd anywhere in myth?

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wagnerrp:

hit 'm', select 'scan for changes'

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cleith:

achew22: yeah, under dvd rip settings

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cleith:

wagnerrp: ok, thanx, I'll give it a try

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achew22:

cleith: you should enter /opt/dvd as the MythVideos folder

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cleith:

is there any way to have it auto scan for new entries?

[17:44:59]

cleith:

a given dir, that is.

[17:47:07]

achew22:

its pretty simple to hit m, down * however many items down it is, enter I think

[17:48:11]

cleith:

agreed. just thought if the scanning was fast, what would be the harm having the list of videos always up-to-date?

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achew22:

I'd bet there is a way to do it automatically

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achew22:

but I don't know of one

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wagnerrp:

cleith: the scan is not fast, it has to hash every new file, so it can take a couple seconds to tens of minutes depending on the amount of new content

[18:00:51]

GreyFoxx:

And the hash is done once per file so if for example the hash/scan is run in the middle of copying/encoding the file in the folder the hash will be of the amount of data there at the time of the scan and not of the final "full" file

[18:01:17]

cleith:

ok, great. thanx

[18:02:09]

wagnerrp:

directfb support was dropped, right?

[18:05:03]

iamlindoro:

we still support at least compiling with it

[18:07:41]

cleith:

How does one add info about a DVD (rating, director, artwork, etc)? is that hard?

[18:08:07]

achew22:

cleith: look up JAMU on the mythtv wiki

[18:08:59]

iamlindoro:

cleith, Highlight an item, press w

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: beat me to it

[18:11:33]

cleith:

that is very slick. anything as simple to grab artwork (like dvd cover for gallery view)?

[18:11:42]

sphery:

I hold the keyboard upside down to make it easier to remember. Then it's just "m" for metadata.

[18:12:36]

iamlindoro:

cleith, pressing w *does* grab artwork

[18:13:08]

iamlindoro:

So long as you have set the artwork directories to paths that exist and are writeable, and so long as the metadata source has artwork for the item

[18:13:11]

wagnerrp:

cleith, sphery: to see what sphery is talking about, pick up the keyboard, turn it around, hold it over your head, and shake

[18:13:28]

sphery:

heh

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cleith:

hmm... ok, mayber there wasn't any for this dvd

[18:13:46]

cleith:

wagnerrp: ;)

[18:14:06]

sphery:

so maybe I should say, "I hold the keyboard frontside back," to be more precise?

[18:14:09]

iamlindoro:

cleith, what title? The logs will tell you what it is doing and if tehre is a permissions problem for images

[18:14:59]

cleith:

iamlindoro: "I Love You Man"

[18:15:28]

iamlindoro:

There is both fanart and coverart for that title

[18:15:38]

iamlindoro:

so you shoudl check your logs/permissions to the dirs you have set for artwork

[18:16:52]

GreyFoxx:

I'm past it for now, and I've been planning to drop 1 machine and update the other 2 anyway so I imagine it will sort of take care of itself then :)

[18:17:23]

GreyFoxx:

oops wrong channel

[18:17:54]

justinh:

GRRR. bloody right arrow lovers

[18:18:01]

wagnerrp:

this Brianboonstra is category-happy

[18:18:05]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I need to add a new subdir to bindings/MythTV/tmdb/ that just needs a straight up copy to install-- can you point me in the right direction for the python installer for that?

[18:18:36]

iamlindoro:

specifically, adding the tmdb/XSLT folder with a couple of XML style sheets to allow TMDB.py to output the new generic metadata format

[18:18:48]

iamlindoro:

I can do it in the pro file, but wasn't sure if you had a better way

[18:19:25]

wagnerrp:

in the setup.py folder, just add the relative path to the 'packages' variable

[18:19:37]

wagnerrp:

s/folder/file/

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I tried that, but it warns because there is no __init__.py

[18:20:20]

wagnerrp:

ok, i was worried about it not working that easily since theyre not python files

[18:20:24]

wagnerrp:

but thats the proper place to do it

[18:20:30]

wagnerrp:

ill have to look around for the proper way to do it

[18:20:38]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, If you like I can just add it to the .pro for now

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iamlindoro:

just wanted to make sure that would be okay with you first

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wagnerrp:

if youre going to commit now, just add the files and ill look into how to add arbitrary files to a package

[18:21:53]

iamlindoro:

and feel free to change it as you like

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iamlindoro:

ok

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wagnerrp:

it actually works that way?

[18:22:29]

iamlindoro:

Well, it's doable that way

[18:22:37]

wagnerrp:

i mean its not just a fluke you can access those files because theyre in your current working directory?

[18:22:40]

iamlindoro:

But I can just commit and let you figure it out if you would prefer, it's your baby

[18:22:57]

cleith:

iamlindoro: wagnerrp: achew22: that is awesome (metadata)

[18:23:17]

cleith:

What is flat view? as in "Enable Flat View"

[18:23:27]

achew22:

cleith: if you use JAMU it will do a lot of that metadata stuff automaticall

[18:23:30]

wagnerrp:

cleith: flat, no subfolders

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cleith:

ah, thanx

[18:23:43]

wagnerrp:

everything in one big ginormous list

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iamlindoro:

achew22, While sacrificing several features offered by doing it natively in MythVideo

[18:24:14]

wagnerrp:

heh... xchat didnt flag ginormous in its spell checker

[18:24:17]

iamlindoro:

Jamu is a great tool, but it should *not* be used without understanding the consequences and it definitely should not be used by people without many, many videos

[18:24:22]

achew22:

I thought that it was entirely analogous

[18:24:26]

iamlindoro:

it is not

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wagnerrp:

the scanner is completely different, metadata handling is slightly different

[18:24:56]

achew22:

what isn't the same?

[18:25:14]

wagnerrp:

and it only works for content locally on that machine, even with storage groups

[18:25:17]

iamlindoro:

Image picking/handling is different, you will get higher quality image choices in MythVideo

[18:25:36]

iamlindoro:

You will also get better image handling for multi-season TV series in MythVideo

[18:25:49]

achew22:

so I should go through and hit the W key on all my tv shows?

[18:25:55]

iamlindoro:

it also has the advantage of "just working" versus most people using Jamu wrong

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iamlindoro:

achew22, if they have no existing metadata, yes, you should

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achew22:

they have metadata already already

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iamlindoro:

then you would need to clear the metadata, remove the image files, and clear your theme cache

[18:26:48]

cleith:

any way to disable the background being set as a poster?

[18:26:51]

achew22:

i'm not sure why I typed already 2x but we can pretend it was for empasis

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iamlindoro:

cleith, The background is never the poster

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: looks like it should be the 'data_files' variable

[18:27:26]

wagnerrp:

although im not entirely certain how that works in practice

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, looks like it needs a target dir too, do you have a link to the syntax?

[18:28:55]

iamlindoro:

found it

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iamlindoro:

hmmm

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wagnerrp:

no, i have a link to the api reference, with a complete lack of any real examples to the syntax

[18:29:44]

wagnerrp:

you would probably have to specify the individual files, like how 'scripts' works

[18:30:10]

wagnerrp:

and it will probably end up shoving them in $prefix/info/python2.6/

[18:30:41]

wagnerrp:

you have a patch anywhere i could look at?

[18:30:53]

cleith:

iamlindoro: Hmmm... when I go to Watch Videos, the entire background is an image of the selected DVD. Is that a banner then? Or is that part of the theme (I currently use MythBuntu-wide)

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iamlindoro:

cleith, It's not the poster, that's fanart, and yes, whether it is displayed is controlled by the theme

[18:31:31]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, hang on, let me try to make something work and I'll pastebin

[18:32:03]

cleith:

iamlindoro: ok, thanks

[18:33:11]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: basically, im just concerned with where this stuff is going to get placed, and if it will actually be accessible afterwards

[18:33:27]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, It's tested to work, just needs to end up in the tmdb subdir

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, you can ask RDV_Linux about the specifics, though

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: The tmdb_api.py accesses the XSLT subdirectory and the style sheet no other script needs direct access. The tmdb_api does all the access required.

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: tmdb_api.py finds the XSLT directory dynamically from its own location.

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wagnerrp:

ok, that would work

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: ttvdb will have a similar XSLT subdirectory when I finish the XML format for it.

[18:37:41]

wagnerrp:

looks like adding the folder to 'packages' does nothing with non-python files

[18:37:58]

wagnerrp:

and adding it to 'data_files' dumps it straight into $prefix

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I've got it working, but is there a variable for the python install prefix?

[18:46:41]

cleith:

thanx all. Later.

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, http://mythtv.pastebin.com/ZFcm0h5B

[18:48:22]

iamlindoro:

This "works" but installs it in the system prefix/MythTV/tmdb/XSLT/

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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Beirdo:

I hate glibc

[18:50:21]

Beirdo:

somewhere they seemed to have broken pthreads conditional variables

[18:50:43]

Beirdo:

works fine in 2.8, doesn't work right in 2.9

[18:50:59]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: how about this... http://mythtv.pastebin.com/JbJs6vpx

[18:51:08]

wagnerrp:

i can patch-ify that if you need me to

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iamlindoro:

no worries, let me give it a shot

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Beirdo:

oh, and "good morning"

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, For some reason the syntax in the python manual appears to be backwards

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Beirdo:

err, same complaint... shift versions to working in 2.9, borkd in 2.10

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: http://bash.org/?5300

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Beirdo:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, got it, just needed a syntax fix

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Beirdo:

my problem seems to be the internals of how they implemented pthread_cond_wait()

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, http://mythtv.pastebin.com/1jnaawSg

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iamlindoro:

work for you?

[18:57:05]

iamlindoro:

(and of course, you can feel free to do whatever you like post-commit)

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Beirdo:

but I'm not SURE that's the real problem, but the code works great on older glibc...

[18:57:42]

Beirdo:

and I can't upgrade the fitpc to lucid (lack of video drivers so far) so I can't test in newer

[18:57:52]

Beirdo:

I guess I'll upgrade the virtualbox and try there

[18:58:11]

Beirdo:

it goes into spinlock instead of blocking

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wagnerrp:

ah... whoops

[18:58:30]

wagnerrp:

i missed that close parentheses

[18:58:51]

wagnerrp:

a bit hacky, but looks good to me

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Beirdo:

and... as the program I'm working on is threaded... it rapidly goes to 100% on all CPUs available

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wagnerrp:

the 'proper' alternative is not a small amount of code

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: here, have some C4. that should fix it.

[19:01:54]

wagnerrp:

ooh, toffee

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Beirdo:

interesting

[19:06:26]

Beirdo:

I forklift upgrade libc6-dev... it wants to install libdrm-radeon1

[19:06:36]

Beirdo:

there's no radeon in the system, tards

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Beirdo:

it's a friggin virtualbox... on a machine with GMA500

[19:11:51]

Beirdo:

fugh

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Beirdo:

OK then

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Beirdo:

now it says it got a fatal error trying to configure mountall

[19:12:21]

Beirdo:

wth?

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Beirdo:

screw it. dist-upgrade time

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Beirdo:

that should take it a while

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Beirdo:

I think I'll go to IHOP or something. I'm hungry :)

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wagnerrp:

woman sues google for $100K, after she followed walking directions up an on-ramp, onto the highway, and was subsequently hit by car

[19:27:50]

wagnerrp:

darwinawards.com countersues hospital for deprivation of content

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justinh:

arghhH! ******* ubuntu & their bloomin splash screens

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justinh:

when a box boots up I want to see wth is going on. For the love of $deity

[20:16:07]

Hiisty:

is there known issue about mythcommflag when upgrading to 0.23

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justinh:

well I ssh'd in, so the box is certainly up but it's not coming up into gdm

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justinh:

Hiisty: no

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den0ts__:

hey ok i got a log while this guy tries to stream mythweb to android 2.2

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den0ts__:

[Sun May 30 15:16:07 2010] [error] [client 71.190.183.82] Digest: uri mismatch – <http://hebs.doesntexist.org:80//mythweb/pl/st . . . 2000.flv> does not match request-uri <//mythweb/pl/stream/2618/1275192000.flv>, referer: http://hebs.doesntexist.org/mythweb/tv/flowpl . . . 846373960376

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Hiisty:

justinh: it worked fine before update, but now it ends with error: Database error was:

[20:17:46]

Hiisty:

Driver not loaded

[20:18:02]

justinh:

Hiisty: then your database is broken somehow

[20:18:11]

justinh:

like maybe the schema update failed

[20:18:32]

justinh:

I'd guess you never ran mythtv-setup after upgrading

[20:18:35]

Hiisty:

justinh: can i somehow try to fix it?

[20:18:49]

justinh:

stop mythbackend & run mysqlcheck etc

[20:18:56]

Hiisty:

k

[20:19:40]

justinh:

cack. I'm really starting to seriously consider using a different distro. this just isn't on now. I took the machine offline so I could move it & now I've moved it X won't start – it just hangs at the stupid buntu splash

[20:19:51]

justinh:

everything else works

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jolaren:

Cant change themes all of a sudden

[20:20:08]

jolaren:

It re-rolled to the regular greyish theme and cant change it back

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justinh:

greyish?

[20:20:25]

justinh:

there are no greyish themes anymore AFAIK

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jolaren:

hum, the stanardished one.. which looks a bit "old-school"

[20:20:55]

justinh:

GANT was killed off without ceremony. which is a pity, cos I'd like to have seen the ceremony

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justinh:

jolaren: still on 0.22 huh

[20:21:24]

jolaren:

Might be, old television set on the pic.. brown frame

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justinh:

looks like cave paintings?

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jolaren:

Terra

[20:22:04]

justinh:

sigh

[20:22:08]

justinh:

terra isn't greyish

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justinh:

unless your TV is broken :)

[20:22:22]

jolaren:

what color would you call it then?

[20:22:29]

jolaren:

I might be colorblind, heh..

[20:23:06]

justinh:

hmm I suppose it's grey ISH

[20:23:23]

justinh:

so freenx server works but X doesn't

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justinh:

and at least update manager is still bugging me. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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jolaren:

hehe

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jolaren:

I really wonder what caused lots to go down teh drain this weekend

[20:25:27]

jolaren:

vnc malfuntioned, X crashed and now myths design is spookin on me

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justinh:

ah. one reboot later.. and X is back in the room with me.

[20:26:33]

justinh:

maybe it was cos I plugged the mouse in while it was booting, or some other retarded reason

[20:26:43]

justinh:

X log claimed it had started up. weird

[20:27:08]

jolaren:

justinh: yer seems somethin aint workin prop

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jolaren:

or some update wasnt rly good

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justinh:

arghh now the backend is offline

[20:27:34]

justinh:

cept it's not, according to mythweb

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jolaren:

lol justinh

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jolaren:

seems exactly

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jolaren:

like what ivebeen up to

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jolaren:

this weekend

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justinh:

this is sick

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justinh:

frontend was online, I took the backend down while I moved it, powered it back up, all was well.. mythweb works fine.. but frontend he say cannot connect to backend

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jolaren:

LOL justinh

[20:29:13]

jolaren:

seems like your quoting me

[20:29:17]

jolaren:

from yesterday

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[R]:

i'm trying to get audio out on hdmi working... it works on my digital channels, but i can't get it working with my analolg cahnnels... i'm using a hauppauge 1600, and i get the following in the frontend log

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[R]:

2010-05–30 13:28:39.457 AO: Using resampler. From: 32000 to 192000

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jolaren:

I moved my server three feet, plugge everythin out

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jolaren:

then plugged all in

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jolaren:

and hell broke loose

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justinh:

restarted mythfrontend.. and now it's fine. W T H

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justinh:

[R] seriously. 192khz audio? :-O

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achew22:

is mythnettv dead?

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justinh:

with any luck it soon will be

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[R]:

justinh: yeah, see i knew that part was wrong, but i cant figure out why myth thinks that

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[R]:

2010-05–30 13:28:39.452 Opening audio device 'default'. ch 2(2) sr 192000 (reenc 0)

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justinh:

[R]: try setting your recording profile to use 48khz recording

[20:31:45]

** justinh murders Update Manager to death **

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justinh:

STOP TELLING ME THERE ARE UPDATES ALREADY

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justinh:

I don't frigging CARE

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[R]:

justinh: looks like the default is 48

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justinh:

this is about as annoying as "Hi, it looks like you're writing a letter to Mark Shuttleworth..." popups

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[R]:

justinh: looks like 48 is the only option

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justinh:

accompanied by the sound of a paperclip banging on the monitor glass

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justinh:

yeah? dunno why it wants to resample then

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justinh:

I've found I didn't really need to mess with any of the 'advanced' audio options in 0.23 so I didn't

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jolaren:

just as fun as watchin paint dry

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[R]:

weird, i just went through the recortding profile

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[R]:

changedn othing

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[R]:

and now its working

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justinh:

heh

[20:35:04]

justinh:

maybe a default didn't get set in the 1st place

[20:35:46]

justinh:

and er.. is it just me or does gconf-editor stink just a little too much like regedit?

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[R]:

haha

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justinh:

there we go. one update mangler disabled

[20:37:20]

justinh:

now to do it on the frontend

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justinh:

and done.

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Hiisty:

justinh: my db is fine, and mythtv is also working fine, but when i run " mythcommflag --clearcutlist -f /home/hiisty/Videos/10_20100530220000.mpg"

[20:41:05]

Hiisty:

i get following: http://fpaste.org/eMxr/

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justinh:

Hiisty: junk in your ~/.mythtv dir?

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justinh:

make sure you've got the correct db credentials in config.xml and/or mysql.txt

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Hiisty:

justinh: both are fine

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justinh:

dunno what else it could be then, other than maybe a borked upgrade where you've got old binaries/libs lying around

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Hiisty:

only thing what i can find is "DBType=QMYSQL3" in mysql.txt, is that ok?

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justinh:

like if you previously used packages & then when you upgraded went from source & used a different prefix

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Hiisty:

hmm

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Hiisty:

i have always update my system with yum, so it should? work fine

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** justinh knows nothing of this 'yum' you speak of **

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justinh:

though at the rate ubuntu is continuing to disappoint...

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justinh:

yeah so a distro is dead easy to install but if you have to spend a week tweaking it to not annoy you I fail to see where it differs from one which builds everything from scratch :-\

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justinh:

could it be time for ... JUBUNTU? :-O

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justinh:

oh boy. I wish I'd never seen that. in the cupboard under the stairs is a twin & earth cable, which goes into a 'chocolate block' and in turn from that to a 5 amp 2-core mains flex.. which then goes into the wall. how the heck did I miss that?

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AndyCap:

justinh: not up to code?

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justinh:

heh no

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justinh:

infact far, far short of it

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justinh:

I suspect that 5A twin cable goes to the double socket in said cupboard. I hope to heck I'm wrong

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AndyCap:

chocolate block is something like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Terminal_Blocks_01CJC.png

[21:19:22]

justinh:

kind of

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AndyCap:

an outlet? oh well. as long as it's not running back to the fuse box.

[21:20:44]

justinh:

no idea. I'll look tomorrow

[21:21:02]

justinh:

house hasn't burned down so far & the cable is cold

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AndyCap:

not a looming disater tonight then.

[21:23:24]

AndyCap:

could be worse. :P http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/photos/0,,122 . . . 5619,00.html

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justinh:

haha not the worst pic I've seen though. by any stretch

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justinh:

remember the one where there's a water boiler in the shower cubicle & it's run from a socket. In the *cubicle*

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dustybin:

justinh: my joggler is right next to my bed, i am planning to install emdebian + fluxbox + mythtvfrontend soon

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justinh:

AndyCap: remember our mains sockets are rated at 13 amps per socket. a total of 30A per ring-main loop.. and two ring-mains in the house

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AndyCap:

ring main? hmm

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justinh:

lord only knows what current a '13A' plug could take

[21:34:52]

justinh:

the size of the pins they have :)

[21:35:02]

AndyCap:

britsh plugs are made by an electrophobe

[21:35:16]

justinh:

yeah! electrickery must be kept confined!

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AndyCap:

and a mile in before you have bare metal in the live pins, and the ground pin sticks far out

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AndyCap:

oh, lets not forget the fuse

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justinh:

ever stood on a UK mains plug when you're not wearing anything on your feet?

[21:35:56]

justinh:

it's one of the most painful things ever

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AndyCap:

sounds somewhat unpleasant

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justinh:

you can't get cut but by gum it hurts like hell

[21:36:17]

AndyCap:

at least euro plugs won't stick up naturally

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justinh:

heh yeah

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justinh:

connector tech these days, there's really no need for most things to have such heavy connectors on em

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justinh:

a company I used to work near makes some cool track type stuff. electrak

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AndyCap:

a shroud on the outlet or isolated pins are nice though

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AndyCap:

got a couple of shocks from us plugs

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justinh:

yeah but check out neutrik mains rated plugs & sockets. far safer & can carry more current

[21:39:15]

AndyCap:

this? http://www.canford.co.uk/Products/20207/42-02 . . . ector-20-Amp

[21:39:17]

justinh:

oo I got a new family guy :)

[21:39:36]

justinh:

AndyCap: yeah

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AndyCap:

justinh: heh, mythtv makes you lose track of when series run, or just messed up schedules?

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EvilGuru:

Is there a way of finding out what enhancements have been made to the commercial flagging, mythcommflag, since 0.20?

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[R]:

EvilGuru: read the source

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[Yatta]:

I should have the DIR name that i have my videos in listed in "Directories the hold Videos" in Utilities/Setup > Setup > Media Settings > Video Settings > General Settings .....

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[Yatta]:

i have them listeed in there but when i go to watch Videos the screen is blank

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[Yatta]:

:-/

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justinh:

EvilGuru: basically none AFAIK

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[R]:

[Yatta]: you did a scan?

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[Yatta]:

i remeber from earlier versions.... it did a automatic scan when i went to Video ssection...

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[R]:

and what does it say on the frontend output

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[R]:

and what happens when you do a scan

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EvilGuru:

The one in earlier versions has worked well for Five (and related channels), but never really for ITV/Virgin on the off chance I watch them

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[Yatta]:

ummm there should be aVideo Manager right?

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justinh:

[Yatta]: not anymore

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[Yatta]:

ohhhhh.........

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justinh:

well not in utils/setup

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justinh:

you 'manage' videos now via the MENU button in mythvideo itself

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justinh:

EvilGuru: commflagging never worked on ITV here either, and still doesn't

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justinh:

EvilGuru: seems to work on channels where the logo is prominent enough, and is removed for ad breaks. which is rare

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justinh:

EvilGuru: but thankfully a 4 minute skip does the job in most cases – and for those where it doesn't I've set up playback groups to deal with it & specify a different jump amount :)

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justinh:

having to press one button is way less of a bind than having to ffwd

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[Yatta]:

hmmm did a scan an nothing....

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[Yatta]:

let me check something

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[Yatta]:

ohhh I C.....

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[Yatta]:

what is "Directories the hold Videos" in ... Video Settings > General Settings for? i thought

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[Yatta]:

that was where u point to ur videos

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Bhaal:

What a terrible night, and it looks like today is going to be an absolute shocker as well

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... I guess I've got a couple issues to work out before I go "live" with this... 2nd HD-PVR isn't behaving consistently, and 2nd QIP7100 doesn't show up on the firewire bus unless it's un-plugged/plugged back in afterwards...

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wagnerrp:

EvilGuru: you can browse to that folder in trac, and click on the 'revision log' in the top right

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[R]:

does anyone use an lirc_serial?

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J-e-f-f-A:

[R], I have for the last zillion years, but am now switching to FireWire. ;-) What's up?

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[R]:

i can't get it working

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[R]:

[ 4310.079200] lirc_serial: ignoring spike: 1 1 4c02f388 4c02f388 e9d 1d2

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[R]:

i get crap like that in dmesg

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[R]:

and i've seen lots of people have it too

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J-e-f-f-A:

[R], I actually get that on my current backend too... But since I don't use it for receiving, I had ignored it.

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J-e-f-f-A:

[R], Seems to be a chipset and/or interrrupt issue.

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[R]:

oh yeah, i'm not using it for blasting

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J-e-f-f-A:

What kind of receiver are you using? Also, did you tie the un-used inputs to grd?

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J-e-f-f-A:

(if you made your own)

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[R]:

it worked for years

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[R]:

homemade

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[R]:

havent used it in like 3 or 4 years though

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J-e-f-f-A:

[R], Ah, maybe it's a kernel or chipset issue. Different motherboard that before, right?

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[R]:

yeah

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J-e-f-f-A:

[R], Yeah, I had the same issue crop up when upgrading hardware. But blasting worked fine, so I ignored the spikes. But even when I removed the receiver from the port, I still got them, so it wasn't an issue with my home-brew receiver.

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J-e-f-f-A:

[R], Does it work, but inconsistently?

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[R]:

after trying a few remotes and a few codes

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[R]:

i just found a remote that works with it

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J-e-f-f-A:

[R], ^^ this issue makes it impossible to 'learn' a new remote, but it still works with a 'good' conf file.

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[R]:

yeah i have no configs

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J-e-f-f-A:

[R], btw, a serial receiver should work with virtually *any* remote. You may have to 'learn' the remote, but it will work. (Although, with the 'spikes' issue, you can't even learn a remote properly right now, as lirc is getting spurious error spikes...)

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[R]:

yeah, scratch that

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[R]:

it can figure out the type of signal

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[R]:

but when i try to program the buttons, it craps out

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justinh:

had that in the past. ended up having to try different versions of lirc

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J-e-f-f-A:

You don't happen to have a flourescent light nearby the receiver, or anything like that, do you? [prob not, but I have to ask...]

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[R]:

no

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[R]:

justinh: how can i get a differnet version of lirc?

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justinh:

or sunshine, or heat, or RF ...

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justinh:

grab the source, unpack & build :)

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[R]:

haha

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RobertLaptop:

Anyone been able to get the commandir 1 working under Mythdora 12.23 or Mythbututu 10.04?

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[R]:

"commandir 1"?

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wagnerrp:

commandir 1?

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RobertLaptop:

Version 1

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RobertLaptop:

Not II or III

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wagnerrp:

commandir 1?

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wagnerrp:

looks like the official page has instructions... http://www.commandir.com/content/view/40/61/

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RobertLaptop:

According to the page it is suppose to be working. But the site have no info on version 1 it only listed there version 2

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wagnerrp:

hey Beirdo, that thing looks awfully like what youre trying to build

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