Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, May 24th, 2010, 00:06 UTC

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TugboatCaptain:

so how well does mythtv support bluray?

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TugboatCaptain:

if it doesn't support it that well, is there an alternative service I can use to buy HD movies?

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[R]:

TugboatCaptain: they just added some initial support for unenecrypted bluray

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Beirdo:

so much for a no-hitter for the Mets... first pitch, first hit

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TugboatCaptain:

so is netflix streaming comparable in selection and quality to bluray

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TugboatCaptain:

?

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Beirdo:

why don't you try it and tell us? :)

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TugboatCaptain:

well i haven't made a mythtv box yet

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Beirdo:

oh :)

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TugboatCaptain:

i'm considering how i'm going to do it

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Beirdo:

I haven't tried netflix yet, so I really can't help

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[R]:

you can't stream netflix in linux

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TugboatCaptain:

:(

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TugboatCaptain:

but I thought there was a mythtv add-on for it

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[R]:

there WAS a plugin for viewing your queue

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TugboatCaptain:

oh

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TugboatCaptain:

ok so lets see:

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TugboatCaptain:

mythtv can't play most bluray discs

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TugboatCaptain:

it can't play encrypted hdtv streams

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TugboatCaptain:

it can't view streaming netflix

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sphery:

s#mythtv#GNU/Linux#

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sphery:

the problem isn't here

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sphery:

it's in the DRM

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sphery:

and the fact that DRM won't accept GNU/Linux

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sphery:

Digital Rights Management

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sphery:

er, actually, Digital Restrictions Management

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TugboatCaptain:

but if it can't do those things, what is it good for?

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sphery:

and--the worst part is--it only affects us: the people who are trying to use media legally

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[R]:

TugboatCaptain: watching tv... thats what myth is for

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sphery:

TugboatCaptain: well, let's see, what is Myth*TV* for...

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sphery:

Oh, TV

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sphery:

TugboatCaptain: I am not recommending doing so because it may be a federal felony offense--depending on where you live--but some people just buy BluRay discs, then use AnyDVD HD on a Windows machine to rip the content to an unencrypted backup file that MythTV can play without problems

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sphery:

Please consult a lawyer to see if local laws or restrictions make such behavior illegal in your area

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TugboatCaptain:

i'm in the US where there's this thing called the DMCA

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TugboatCaptain:

so yeah I think so

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TugboatCaptain:

it's illegal

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sphery:

As far as streaming netflix, you'll need something else--like a $49(???) Roku box

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sphery:

TugboatCaptain: then in that case, you'll never be able to legally play BluRay discs on a GNU/Linux box (just like playing an encrypted DVD is a federal felony offense in the US)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: anydvd hd is perfectly legal for use within the US

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sphery:

TugboatCaptain: So, set-top-box Blu-Ray disc players are the way to go... PS3 or whatever

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wagnerrp:

sony fought that for us in the 80s, and no judge will overturn that for the purposes of fair personal use

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wagnerrp:

it IS illegal to distribute the software to do so

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sphery:

no, that's *not* covered under fair use

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sphery:

it *should* be

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sphery:

but it's not currently

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sphery:

because it involves breaking the DMCA--which is not allowed under fair use

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wagnerrp:

i thought there was some clause in there for inter-compatibility that allowed individual users to break it for personal use

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sphery:

The Librarian of Congress has been trying to get the appropriate parties to allow an exemption, but is lacking the ability to do so

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sphery:

nope

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sphery:

only proposals for such

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sphery:

DMCA needs to die

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sphery:

or at least the fair-use clause needs to be added

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wagnerrp:

anyway TugboatCaptain, no open source software will /EVER/ be legally licensed for use with any DRM scheme

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Beirdo:

it needs disembowlment

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sphery:

Wendy S. has a great discussion of the problem--basically that the LoC is lacking the power to do what needs done, and the rest of the government was bought off

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sphery:

http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2009/0 . . . earings.html

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sphery:

lots of other interesting stuff at http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/category/copyright/dmca

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wagnerrp:

doesnt she pop in here occasionally?

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Beirdo:

yup

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sphery:

Next DMCA anti-circumvention hearing should be in May 2012....

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sphery:

so, start pushing your lawmakers

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Beirdo:

start bribing now...

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

really, thought, the anti-circumvention hearing probably won't be the place it has to finally be fixed

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sphery:

it will need to be fixed by Congress, I think

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Beirdo:

even more bribing... great

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sphery:

fortunately, though, no one has (as yet) challenged AnyDVD HD

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sphery:

though maybe if someone does--and if the company makes enough money or gets bought by Google or MS beforehand--it will finally fix the whole problem

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Beirdo:

heh. Google BluRay?

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wagnerrp:

the googleray

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sphery:

heh, yeah, might be bad for YouTube :)

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Beirdo:

BluTube

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sphery:

besides, how can Google put ads on top of Blu-Rays... Oh, yeah, that's Google TV. :)

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

I want one.

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Beirdo:

because I like new toys

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sphery:

I want my... I want my... I want my MythTV.

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Beirdo:

that too

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Beirdo:

soon :)P

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Beirdo:

but at least I have TV now

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sphery:

MythTV provides all I need.

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sphery:

just got your cable hooked up?

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Beirdo:

DirecTV

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sphery:

or uverse or fios or satellite or ...

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Beirdo:

yeah :)

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sphery:

ah, cool.

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Beirdo:

watching Mets vs Yankees in HD :)

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sphery:

starting to get settled in?

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Beirdo:

bit by bit.

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sphery:

cool.

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Beirdo:

baseball in 720p is nice

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sphery:

I wouldn't want to watch it in anything less :)

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Beirdo:

I could deal with it in SD if I had to, but this is so much nicer

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Beirdo:

the tech that came out was actually helpful this time

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sphery:

that's unusual

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Beirdo:

so all 3 receivers are on one drop (SWM FTW)

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Beirdo:

yeah, it surprised me too

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Beirdo:

using the HD receiver on the TV directly right now... the two standard are for backup recording :)

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sphery:

cool

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Beirdo:

and I think I'll get an HVR-2250 for OTA

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Beirdo:

dual ATSC

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Beirdo:

5 tuners should be a good start

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Beirdo:

OTA works nicely here, I get 17 channels on a coat hanger ;)

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Beirdo:

so with a real antenna, it should be good for the locals

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Beirdo:

YAY. Halladay lost.

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

you mean, "YAY. LOST holiday!"

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Beirdo:

no... Halladay's on my dad's fantasy team, and this week's matchup has him against me.

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Beirdo:

so seeing him lose is a good thing :)

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Beirdo:

sucks for the Phillies, but meh.

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Beirdo:

ESPN should give me batting points for pitchers in the NL

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Beirdo:

but I'm glad... low scoring game so far... both starters are on my team, so I don't wanna see a pounding, thanks :)

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pennstatejoe74:

i'm preparing for a new ubuntu install. got some great advice here last night on partitioning scheme.

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pennstatejoe74:

quick question regarding setting up raid

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pennstatejoe74:

i'm partitioning ahead of time using gparted

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pennstatejoe74:

i want to have a raid5 array

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pennstatejoe74:

before i made 3 partitions on each disk, and the set up 3 raid 5 arrays

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pennstatejoe74:

i learned this isn't the best way, and that I should set up 1 raid5 array, and then partition that.

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pennstatejoe74:

question is... how do I do that?

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pennstatejoe74:

in gparted, I'm guessing i would setup 1 big partition as "unformatted) on each of the 3 drives and set the raid flag

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pennstatejoe74:

then create the array in terminal using mdadm commands

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pennstatejoe74:

let it sync, then reboot

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pennstatejoe74:

then i'd be able to make the partitions I want using various filesystems??

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pennstatejoe74:

just don't want to waste 2 days, letting this thing run, and sync, and format and find that I did it wrong.

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Beirdo:

OK, Sabathia... stop blowing the game!

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Bernmeister:

Having an issue with the exporting (via Optical Disks -> Archive Files). I have a recording and it has a cut list and has also been transcoded. If I view the recording within Myth the cutlist is observed (no commercials). However the exported recording still has the commercials. Any ideas?

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iamlindoro:

Does it have a cutlist, or a skiplist?

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iamlindoro:

it can not have a cutlist and still skip commercials-- a cutlist is manually applied

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Bernmeister:

iamlindoro: I think it has a cutlist (there's an icon of scissors appearing under the recording). Don't know what a skiplist is.

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Bernmeister:

iamlindoro: I manually created the cutlist myself. So when I say "it skips the commercials when I view the recording" what I mean is the cut out bits that I did myself are not showing on the recording but do show when I export/archive to file.

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Beirdo:

sphery (or others): any preferred brand of BluRay player?

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jamesd_:

Beirdo, i like sony, they invented the technology or at least a large part of it.. and you get find there low end players for $150 or less if you look.

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Beirdo:

Yeah, I'm kinda wondering about Samsung as well, but Sony's high on the list so far

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Beirdo:

I'd kinda like one with builtin wireless, although I'll probably buy a wireless bridge anyways

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jamesd_:

Beirdo, since you are allready going to have wired networking for best myth peformance... why not just go with wired.... wireless rarely keeps geeks happy in stable computer setups...

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jamesd_:

wireless is for laptops and ipod touches..

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Beirdo:

wireless is perfectly fine.

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Beirdo:

my internet connection is only 7mbit/860k anyways

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Beirdo:

and the BluRay would be to connect to the internet, not myth

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Beirdo:

internal network is not the issue

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jamesd_:

i guess i just have bad combination.. my "N" class wireless has too many errors even when i'm in the same room with the wifi router... so i always prefer wired if decives that don't move.

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Beirdo:

well, I don't want ugly wires to trip over

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Beirdo:

I might run one up and over the doorway later though

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jamesd_:

but bluray player is right next to your mythfront end i would assume... so not even an extra cable and you may have a xbox 360 or ps3 at the same location....

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Beirdo:

yeah, but the mythbox will be connected to the internet via wireless

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Beirdo:

as the DSL modem is not where the mythbox will be

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Beirdo:

although I MIGHT run a cable later

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wagnerrp:

a single system?

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sphery:

Beirdo: I don't even have a BluRay player. I'm boycotting Blu for now because of the DRM. :)

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Beirdo:

for the moment, there is no system :)

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Beirdo:

but the TV, the DirecTV receiver... both have ethernet

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Beirdo:

so I will be dropping in a switch anyways, and bridging it to wireless

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Beirdo:

or running that cable up and over the door

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Beirdo:

wish they sold beige cat5 ;)

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Beirdo:

maybe I'll find a box of it, who knows

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jamesd_:

i love bluray because my son works at blockbuster (10 free rentals a week) , and picture is just so damm awesome... i even watched both toy story movies on bluray and the picture differences blow me away... even makes wizard of OZ amazing after seeing it on dvd and tv numerous times.

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jamesd_:

Beirdo, they probably have it on ebay...

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Beirdo:

I'm not gonna shop on ebay though. too many idiot snipers

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Beirdo:

and bend-over shipping

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Beirdo:

I may look though. hehe

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jamesd_:

i don't bid on autions i do buy it now... sort by lowest shipping+price ... better deals that you find anywhere else usually...

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jamesd_:

hmm you can buy the beige bulk cable.. but only one guy sells premade cable with it and he has 10x 7ft cables... so not an option.

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Beirdo:

being able to stream netflix, etc on the BluRay player can be sweet

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Beirdo:

I don't want premade cables

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Beirdo:

I wish I knew where my crimper is though :) may have to buy a new one

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jamesd_:

about $100 for 1000ft box of beige.

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Beirdo:

beige matches the walls better than blue

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jamesd_:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Indoor-Outdoor-UV-Protect . . . em1c0ce04be7

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Beirdo:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . amp;format=2

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Beirdo:

or I can do that

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Beirdo:

cheaper cable, cheaper shipping

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jamesd_:

yes... beige is a custom color... so and is indoor/outdoor cable so more than normal.

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Beirdo:

and they have crimpers for $5 too

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jamesd_:

i should learn how to make cables... its not hard just tedious and when you are building out stuff i hate adding another variable to the mix "did i make the cable right, is it flakey"

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I used to be able to make a cable in about 30s

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Beirdo:

not too tedious, really

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wagnerrp:

not bad

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wagnerrp:

i think i paid 140 for my kft of cat6

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Beirdo:

comes with making so dang many of them

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Beirdo:

nice

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wagnerrp:

but its stranded, i hate stranded

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Beirdo:

yeah... solid's about the same price

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Beirdo:

stranded's more pliable

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Beirdo:

so easier to run along baseboards and around corners and all

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wagnerrp:

solids less pliable

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wagnerrp:

so worthwhile to de-twist and use for cable ties

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

true there

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wagnerrp:

im serious, ive spent about 30ft of that box on cable ties

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wagnerrp:

i use that stuff for everything

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Beirdo:

yeah, I hear ya

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wagnerrp:

get a box cutter and strip the sheath

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wagnerrp:

chuck one end up to a cordless drill

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wagnerrp:

and depress the trigger

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wagnerrp:

~5m per 100ft of cable ties

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Beirdo:

heh.

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Beirdo:

I'll use nylon cable ties, I think

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wagnerrp:

s/5m/5minutes/

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Beirdo:

but that is cool

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jamesd_:

and its getting to the point where every decent electronic device would like network connectivity.... reciever, bluray, game console, TVs(wont be long) migth as well just put a small switch in the tv rack.

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wagnerrp:

a number of TVs will already act as a UPNP player

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Beirdo:

mine will

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Beirdo:

it has ethernet

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Beirdo:

I'm going to have a switch anyways. Just a matter of how I wire that to the DSL modem, really

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bcgrown:

anyone know of a cheap USB fm tuner that can be controlled via command line in linux? don't need any tv capabilities

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justinh:

another thing I couldn't find anywhere in ubuntu docs – to get my nvidia card working on the backend box I had to modify grub with vmalloc=256M. So much for primetime distros eh

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k-man:

i have noticed since i installed .23 that the popup keyboard does not seem to work any more

[07:04:14]

k-man:

maybe i'm doing something wrong?

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k-man:

when i press "space" on my remote it just inserts a space and doesn't popup the keyboard

[07:07:45]

justinh:

I thought ENTER would bring up the onscreen keyboard for a text entry box

[07:08:21]

justinh:

yup. sure is ENTER

[07:08:53]

justinh:

well ENTER/SELECT

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k-man:

justinh: only enter? according to the wiki, "OK/Select" will pop it up if the setting is enabled and according to the key bindings Select is set to Return, Enter and Space

[07:09:33]

justinh:

yeah well, looks like you need to bind your remote to Return or Enter then

[07:09:35]

k-man:

and i think my remote sends space for "OK" and it does not pop up the keyboard – ill hve to check more thoroughly tonight whats happenign

[07:10:11]

justinh:

fwiw SPACE just types a space here

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k-man:

justinh: yeah, thats what i found

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k-man:

ok, ill do some remapping

[07:10:28]

k-man:

thanks

[07:10:35]

justinh:

just change your OK button :)

[07:12:53]

k-man:

ok, thanks

[07:15:29]

justinh:

it's either stuff like this or folk would complain their spacebar doesn't work in text entry boxes ;)

[07:19:39]

k-man:

yeah, i might update the wiki a bit

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justinh:

heh I need to change my lircrc file too

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justinh:

ok = space

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k-man:

justinh: same here, thats what i just changed

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k-man:

i hope the change is ok – im at work, ill test tonight

[07:20:33]

justinh:

on my last frontend install I could've just changed the file on the nfsroot, but not now it's got a hard disk

[07:20:50]

justinh:

reminds me I need to shop around for a small laptop drive

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k-man:

i changed it to Return – but maybe it should be Enter

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justinh:

I think either should be ok

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justinh:

reminds me I originally went looking for a nice cheap wireless keyboard when I made my first frontend

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k-man:

anyway, im off

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k-man:

ttyl

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justinh:

okees

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sulx:

hmm should seeking work in mythweb 0.22+ flashplayer?

[08:13:23]

sulx:

now it just starts from beginning

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justinh:

you'd be lucky it works at all, hence its experimental tag ;)

[08:16:11]

sulx:

true =)

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sulx:

it used to work tho =(

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sulx:

before player changed

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sulx:

to flowplayer I mean

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sulx:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8017 that patch seems to fix it(partially)

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zzpat:

hmm, multirec on hdhomerun (dvb-t) doesn't seem to be working for me on 0.23. is it meant to?

[08:54:36]

zzpat:

set up each tuner with multiple I've set max recordings to 2 for each tuner

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zzpat:

s/set up each tuner with multiple //

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justinh:

how do you mean doesn't seem to be working?

[09:02:21]

justinh:

remember you can only record 2 channels from the same multiplex with multirec

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sulx:

isn't it 5?

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zzpat:

I try to record off abc 1, abc2 and abc3 they all share the same multiplex

[09:03:10]

zzpat:

but sorry

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zzpat:

two abc channels and channel 7

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zzpat:

the two abc channels share the multiplex

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justinh:

sulx: 5 is the maximum. two is the default

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zzpat:

but I can only record one abc channel and one channel 7

[09:03:54]

justinh:

with both tuners in use?

[09:04:05]

zzpat:

(I can do it no problems on the physical tuners in my 0.21 machine)

[09:04:10]

zzpat:

yep

[09:04:19]

zzpat:

abc and 7 are on different multiplexes

[09:04:49]

zzpat:

sorry if I'm not clear. I can start explaining again to clear up any confusion if you like.

[09:05:17]

justinh:

so if ABC1, ABC2, ABC3 are all on the same mux you should be able to record any of those (up to 2) at once

[09:05:23]

justinh:

from one tuner

[09:05:28]

justinh:

and say, 7 on a different tuner

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zzpat:

that's what I was expecting

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justinh:

*if* you set it up correctly and *if* it even works on the dvb-t HDHR

[09:06:02]

zzpat:

yeah.... those are the ifs

[09:06:28]

zzpat:

I set it up as I would for my physically discrete dvb-t pci tuners (which do work with multirec)

[09:06:52]

zzpat:

so I'm guessing the question it boils down to is, does multirec work on the dvb-t hdhr?

[09:07:09]

zzpat:

(under 0.23)

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zzpat:

a source browse should tell me

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justinh:

you did stop mythbackend when you ran mythtv-setup right?

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zzpat:

yup

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zzpat:

hmm, must be some strange edge case

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zzpat:

when I started the recordings immediately it didn't work (multirec) but when I scheduled them for later then it did

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justinh:

lol. 3d sat. it will great

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zzpat:

ok, the backend works fine. I just need to test the frontend prior to the upgrade

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k-man:

in trac, how do i see recent patches to .23-fixes?

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zzpat:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/relea . . . ;format=html

[10:41:53]

k-man:

zzpat: nice, thanks

[10:43:20]

esperegu:

anyone can help me out setting up dvd-s2?

[10:43:30]

esperegu:

I try to do a scan but I get a 'Error parsing parameters'

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justinh:

bet that's not all you get

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justinh:

let's see the output of mythtv-setup in a pastebin

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esperegu:

justinh: me?

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justinh:

no, the man in the moon

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esperegu:

justinh: where can I find the log of that?

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esperegu:

justinh: thought you responded to someone else first ;-)

[10:48:24]

justinh:

you know how you start mythtv-setup from a terminal?

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justinh:

from there

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esperegu:

justinh: it is started automatically.

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justinh:

from what?

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esperegu:

let me see if I can see how it is started with ps

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justinh:

or open a terminal & run it yourself

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justinh:

fwiw you're probably trying to do a dvb-s scan without putting in initial tuning data

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justinh:

or there's something else wrong where you've forgotten to input information

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justinh:

you can only know by seeing actual output from mythtv-setup

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zzpat:

hmm, lack of 0.23 minimyth slows down this upgrade

[10:51:04]

zzpat:

maybe opensolaris will release about the same time

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justinh:

fwiw any advantage minimyth may once have offered is countered by cheap laptop HDDs :)

[10:52:35]

zzpat:

I suppose you're right

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justinh:

I don't miss wrestling with its config files

[10:53:15]

justinh:

by the time you're done messing with that you could've installed a real distro

[10:54:56]

justinh:

but er.. what's this then?

[10:54:59]

justinh:

http://www.minimyth.org/download/mythtv-0.23-24572.tar.bz2

[10:55:45]

justinh:

oh wait that seems to be just the source

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justinh:

aha! http://www.minimyth.org/download/test/0.23.0-73b9/

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justinh:

lord only knows what version it really is though. meh

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zzpat:

hmm, yes

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justinh:

24012

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zzpat:

I was looking at stable releases

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justinh:

looking at the rate of updates there I'd not hold my breath if I were you

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zzpat:

I'm through using testing versions of stuff where I can help it

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zzpat:

I used to be always trying the latest and greatest

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zzpat:

now I just want the stupid stuff to work

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kwtm:

Hi! Trying to get used to MythTV (on Ubuntu); have some user interface questions if anyone could help me.

[11:07:30]

kwtm:

If I'm looking at the program guide, I know I can press R to record a certain TV program. How can I easily cancel the upcoming (or ongoing) recording of a TV show? Is there a keypress or I have to press Enter to fiddle with the menu items?

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esperegu:

justinh: I am now on 'scan configuration' what should I enter in the left box under frequency?

[11:11:44]

justinh:

esperegu: read the docs :)

[11:12:04]

esperegu:

justinh: were? you have url? I could not find it.

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achew22:

Does changeset 24822 close the mythui-osd branch ticket?

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esperegu:

anyone can help me on how the frequencies, polarity and symbol rate works?

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justinh:

achew22: in a word, no

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achew22:

good enough for me

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justinh:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7650 is still open & being worked on

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achew22:

but wasn't 24882 a full merge from mythtv-osd to trunk?

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justinh:

esperegu: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S

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justinh:

achew22: no

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esperegu:

justinh: I am reading that

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esperegu:

but it's not explained there

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justinh:

oh wait yes it is achew22

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justinh:

but the ticket's still open

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esperegu:

I tried all 4 polarities but it saids: no channels found

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justinh:

esperegu: the point is you are supposed to KNOW what to put in there

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achew22:

justinh: did they just forget to close it maybe?

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justinh:

achew22: no idea

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justinh:

I doubt it's ready for prime-time just yet though

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achew22:

well it isn't RC or anything

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justinh:

trunk never is :)

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achew22:

are they rewriting the OSD into MythUI so that it is consistent or what?

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achew22:

do you know the backing behind the refactor?

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esperegu:

justinh: the dish is suposed to be pointed at the astra 19.2, eutelsat 13.0, astra 23.5 and eurobird astra 28.5

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esperegu:

justinh: but on this page: http://www.lyngsat.com/europe.html I find multiple entries for 192.2

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esperegu:

astra 19.2

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esperegu:

and I don't see anything for the polarity

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justinh:

how can one dish be pointed at 19.2 and 28.5 at the same time?

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esperegu:

justinh: it has 4 lnb's integrated

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justinh:

wish I'd never replied now. I don't run dvb-s myself

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esperegu:

justinh: =)

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justinh:

achew22: rats! those changes break the big patches I've got in waiting for mythui – adding features like gl rotation etc :-(

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achew22:

why do you need gl rotation?

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justinh:

for nifty stuff like analogue clocks, progress indicators, vertical text...

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achew22:

oh!

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achew22:

like transforms

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justinh:

yes

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achew22:

I think of rotation like a globe or something

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achew22:

I am not sure why I didn't make that connection

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achew22:

justinh: are you one of the theming guys?

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justinh:

I was THE theming guy once upon a time

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achew22:

esperegu: I don't think this is helpful but if you are using DVB-s i think that means you're in europe. You might try coming back around 5pm GMT I bet that you would have a lot of people to help you. Right now it is Americans who don't sleep (me) and other assorted people who don't seem to use DVB-S

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achew22:

justinh: so you are responsible for mythcenter

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justinh:

no, I'd never take responsibility for that load of suck

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esperegu:

achew22: lol. hehe. thx

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achew22:

I have no clue where justinh is from... i'm going to guess (with no basis for this) Australia

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justinh:

nope

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achew22:

EU?

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achew22:

naw... you're a not so sleepy yank

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justinh:

I did projectgrayhem (and -wide) , blootube (and -wide), glass-wide, and the associated OSD themes

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achew22:

as I understand it projectgrayhem was a modification of an XBMC theme

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achew22:

right?

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justinh:

no it wasn't

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justinh:

it was inspired by an xbmc skin

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justinh:

but it was no modification

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achew22:

Oh, my mistake

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justinh:

there is no '

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achew22:

That was the skin I ran on my XBOX for 5 years

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justinh:

no 'port' of XBMC skins to mythtv themes

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justinh:

sigh

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achew22:

sorry

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achew22:

I like all your themes if it is any consolation

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justinh:

it's no consolation, because I don't like any of them anymore :)

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achew22:

I'm running graphite right now but only because it supports those background images

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achew22:

do you have any irons in the fire?

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justinh:

NO

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justinh:

well ok. just the one I'll burn people with if they ask me if I'm up to something

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achew22:

... any buns in the oven then?

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achew22:

;)

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achew22:

alright well I have to be up at noon so I will try to get 6 solid hours in before then

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achew22:

sorry to poke the bear justinh it was meant in good spirits.

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achew22:

have a nice day everyone

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lapion:

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justinh:

heh. time to hack on some GB translations

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oobe:

i had a gig of 667Mhz ram that i wasnt using cause i had a 2xGB of 800Mhz i just added the extra gig cause i figured i need more ram vs speed

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oobe:

only to relise i can OC the 667Mhz to 800Mhz and it appears fine

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justinh:

er.. whut?! just doing an svn checkout now & erm..

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kwtm:

If I'm looking at the program guide, I know I can press R to record a certain TV program. How can I easily cancel the upcoming (or ongoing) recording of a TV show? Is there a keypress or I have to press Enter to fiddle with the menu items?

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justinh:

kwtm: AFAIK you can cancel it just by pressing R til its option changes to 'do not record'

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kwtm:

justinh: Yeah, that's what I thought to. But it cycles between 3 options: "Single +1 will record", "Find -1 will record", and "R[something] 0 will record". All of them have "will record".

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kwtm:

I can't remember what "R[something]" was --I think it's "Record[ing?|ed?]"

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kwtm:

Also, if I am watching TV and press "M" for program guide, and then navigate to a program I like in the program guide, is there a key for "I like this channel! Switch to this channel and exit program guide"?

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justinh:

sigh. no there isn't

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kwtm:

I know the "X" key says "swi.... oh, there isn't? Darn.

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kwtm:

Okay, X + Esc it is.

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justinh:

R should cycle & toggle recording status

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kwtm:

Okay, a somewhat more advanced question now. Thanks for all the answers by the way.

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justinh:

but if it's in-progress you'll have to go to 'watch recordings' and delete it

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kwtm:

If I try to record something and there's an error (e.g. the directory was write-protected), then it will say "Recorded!" (of course, the show isn't really recorded)

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kwtm:

How can I tell mythtv: "No, don't mark this as recorded! Mark this as not recorded so I can record!"

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justinh:

if you try to record something and the dir was write-protected it's your own fault

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kwtm:

(otherwise I tell it to record, and it says, "Oh it's already recorded.)

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justinh:

s/fault/stupid\ fault/

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justinh:

delete & re-record

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kwtm:

justinh: There is nothing to delete. There is no file. It won't re-record. It thinks it was already recorded.

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justinh:

it's an option presented to you when you go to delete something – if there's an upcoming showing of it

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justinh:

press M with the recording highlighted. then select RECORDING OPTIONS and then ALLOW THIS PROGRAMME TO RE-RECORD

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justinh:

then you can delete it & it'll complain the file doesn't exist, but go ahead & delete the metadata

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justinh:

you're like totally welcome. cheers

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esperegu:

any dvb-S guru awake?

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jarle:

esperegu: try asking a dvb-s question and we'll see if we can answer it...

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esperegu:

jarle: I am trying to set up dvb-s but I can't seem to succeed scanning any channels

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esperegu:

I get a 'timed out no signal'

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jarle:

esperegu: which sat?

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esperegu:

I have a technisat dish that has 4 lnb's

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esperegu:

pointing at 19.2, 13, 23.5 and 28.5

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esperegu:

I tried to position the dish with a satfinder and that gives a signal

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jarle:

esperegu: so you have setup a switch in mythtv-setup then?

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esperegu:

but that's about how far I get

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esperegu:

yes

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esperegu:

I added a switch with 4 lnb's

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esperegu:

(hope I did that ok)

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jarle:

esperegu: is it a diseqc switch?

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esperegu:

I was now searching for any commandline scanning/tuning stuff to test comaandline

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esperegu:

jarle: I'm not sure.

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esperegu:

jarle: it's included in the dish

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esperegu:

jarle: the dish manual saids it has 4 positions with selections 1,2,3,4 pointing to A/A B/A A/B B/B

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jarle:

esperegu: you have a set-top box where you can confirm that it can actually scan channels before trying to do the same thing with myth?

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esperegu:

jarle: nope :(

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esperegu:

jarle: that's why I thought maybe commandline test would be good

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jarle:

esperegu: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Scan

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esperegu:

jarle: yes. I was trying that

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esperegu:

but I did not know which arguments to add.

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esperegu:

I figured out: scan -a 0 -s 1

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esperegu:

but then it needs more.

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esperegu:

maybe also -l UNIVERSAL

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jarle:

esperegu: /usr/share/dvb/dvb-s/Astra-19.2E will give you a list of frequencies for 19.2

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esperegu:

jarle: where can I find that file online?

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esperegu:

ls: cannot access /usr/share/dvb/: No such file or directory

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esperegu:

jarle: hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/dvb-apps ??

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jarle:

esperegu: I think it comes with "scan" if you downloaded it from linuxtv.org

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jarle:

esperegu: correct

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jarle:

esperegu: you should also have a look at lyngsat.com (for example http://www.lyngsat.com/astra19.html)

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esperegu:

jarle: yeah. I did that

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esperegu:

I found the list of 19.2 there. but how to add that to the scan on commandline?

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jarle:

from http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Scan: "usage: scan [options...] [-c | initial-tuning-data-file]"

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esperegu:

jarle: found the file: http://linuxtv.org/hg/dvb-apps/file/d5d23a370 . . . /Astra-19.2E

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jarle:

/usr/share/dvb/dvb-s/Astra-19.2E is you initial-tuning-data-file for 19.2

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esperegu:

jarle: that gives an tuning error: http://pastebin.com/rnEjbs1x

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jarle:

esperegu: you could try -s 0

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jarle:

esperegu: (not sure if it starts counting at 0 or 1..)

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esperegu:

also fails

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esperegu:

jarle: switch position needs to be < 4!

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esperegu:

saids scan.

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esperegu:

so it should be 0 for first position I would say

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esperegu:

however 0–3 all give tuning failed

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jarle:

esperegu: try installing Kaffeine and see if you get any results there..

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esperegu:

jarle: heeeeeeeeeeee

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esperegu:

I get results on hotbird

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jarle:

esperegu: yeah, it would be *much* easier to debug if you could confirm that all inputs work 100% on a set top box...

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esperegu:

jarle: I think that it is not positioned correctly then

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jarle:

esperegu: then you can rule out bad reception form the equation..

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esperegu:

since hotbird is on 13.0

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esperegu:

jarle: now I can also scan in mythtv.

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oobe:

anyone know why this is happening to my mythtv recordings driver http://pastebin.com/iaREs7pK

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oobe:

im assuming its disk failure

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jarle:

oobe: your assumption is correct

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jarle:

oobe: I'd suggest backing up and get a new disk

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jarle:

oobe: mount fails?

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oobe:

yes mount fails

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oobe:

its in the pastbin

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oobe:

i just had my case open i added more memory

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oobe:

so is there a chance one of the cables is loose

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

if the cable was loose would it even identify the disk?

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justinh:

it's seeing the disk as far as I can tell

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jarle:

oobe: you should run "xfs_repair -L <dev>", then mount the disk again.

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jarle:

oobe: You should the backup the disk, and preferably replace the disk as it will probably keep failing you again...

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oobe:

ok thanks

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oobe:

i think i will unplug it till i get a new disk

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oobe:

then try to recover what i can

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oobe:

ok since i cant wait im running xfs_repair on it

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oobe:

and if it works i have enough space on another drive to move my recordings over

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oobe:

then i will replace it with a 2TB which is awesome since it was only 250GB and the 2tb keep getting cheaper and cheaper

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oobe:

i just finished xfs_repair and i can mount it

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oobe:

but copying files is unusually slow

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oobe:

possibly cause of physical damage

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oobe:

would running fsck.xfs help?

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justinh:

just let the copy run its course

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sid3windr:

fsck.xfs = xfs_repair, isn't it

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Dar1us:

hi, has anyone experienced myth ignoring the keyboard? (remote control still works)

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jarle:

sid3windr: as far as I know fsck.xfs will only run if the disk is mountable, if it is not xfs_repair is used.

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oobe:

sid3windr, yes you are correct i didnt know that

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oobe:

i thought there was a difference

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oobe:

anyway the files are copying real slow but with no IO errors

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oobe:

its done about 700Mg in 5 or so mins

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oobe:

lol MB rather than miligrams

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wagnerrp:

i thought fsck.xfs was a no-op

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wagnerrp:

and all repair was done on mount

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oobe:

well when i ran it it said to run xfs_repiar instead

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oobe:

my disk wasnt mounted

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karatekickz:

I just added a firewire cable box to my existing mythbackend but am having some trouble with new channel lineups/video sources... it doesnt see the digital channels

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karatekickz:

I added another lineup in the SchedulesDirect website for this box... should I be able to select lineups I created on SD in the video sources menu after I click retrieve lineups because that is not the case currently

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j-rod:

hm, another hdpvr-ish device just landed, haven't seen mention of it yet

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j-rod:

http://www.macworld.com/article/151470/2010/05/eyetvhd.html

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j-rod:

no digital audio in tho

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j-rod:

wonder how similar the actual hardware is to the hdpvr

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j-rod:

esp. given that a good chunk of elgato's previous stuff had been rebadged hauppauge kit

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Rebrand of the Avermedia hardware in this case, yes?

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j-rod:

I dunno… I guess it does sound more like avermedia's hw w/no digital audio

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j-rod:

and no pass-through

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karatekickz:

on the same note, the google tv box by logitech has a hdmi input... not sure how they are doing that wo HDCP perhaps that could be modded as a tuner??

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justinh:

I expect it'll be overlaying stuff on the HDMI input only

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j-rod:

the dual-recording mode sounds kind of interesting

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j-rod:

wonder if that's a software trick or if its done in hardware

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justinh:

does anybody really honestly think Dish would be allies with somebody doing HDMI capture? lol

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karatekickz:

oh ... I had never seen a box do something like that.... btw I am hoping to see a frontend for myth on the google tv box could be a good mix imo

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j-rod:

(elgato says it can simultaneously record at full resolution and ipad/ipod-ish resolution)

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karatekickz:

i didnt know you could do overlay like that btw

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justinh:

j-rod: maybe software

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justinh:

karatekickz: neither did I but I don't seriously expect it'll capture anything itself

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j-rod:

justinh: well, that was my first thought… but then you'd need some serious oomph.

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karatekickz:

well not by out of the box ;)

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justinh:

karatekickz: I very much doubt it's got the capacity to capture HDMI

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justinh:

and even if it has I doubt google will open source that part

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j-rod:

because either you're pulling raw video in over a usb connection and encoding it in software, or you're pulling in the h.264 stream, then transcoding/down-scaling it

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karatekickz:

yeah the overlay makes sense... wonder how they are dealing w the hdcp

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j-rod:

so I'd be more inclined to think its actually being done in hardware

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justinh:

karatekickz: the HDMI bus transceiver chipsets deal with that

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karatekickz:

oh

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justinh:

the host CPU passes the chipset a key & the chipset does all the talking

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justinh:

there's not enough grunt in any STB form hardware to do HDCP encode/decode in software

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justinh:

so the google box will have a set of keys, and if the gear on the other end doesn't like those keys – no talky talk

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karatekickz:

totally off topic as you seem so knowledgable... I am adding a firewire cable box atm... is it just me or is the myth ui buggy at times... I fetched a updated channel listing and it seems like it cause the ui to massive act up

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justinh:

maybe you've no icons downloaded yet.. that can slow things down

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justinh:

as for firewire grabbing – I've no idea as I've never used it

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karatekickz:

I wish I could show you a vid of what happens in the video sources menu

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karatekickz:

it farkes up and basically the arrow keys wont work after a fetch

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karatekickz:

I tried a dif skin ... no help

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karatekickz:

I only use the backend for myth

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karatekickz:

gonna use xbmc for the front

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justinh:

look in the console output of mythtv-setup

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karatekickz:

didnt see anything

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justinh:

and as soon as somebody says they'll be using xbmc as a frontend boom – there goes all my sympathy :)

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karatekickz:

sorry

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justinh:

it's fine, if you like seeing all your shows as one big list (tm)

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justinh:

well last time I looked at it it was :)

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karatekickz:

for a linux n00b like myself the shiz is hard enough already... then when a prog doesnt behave properly it makes it almost worth giving up

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karatekickz:

wish there was a gnome frontend for for configuration of vid sources and channel lists etc

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justinh:

there's stuff in the works for a web-driven interface & to ditch the awful qt setup stuff

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karatekickz:

YES!

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justinh:

early days yet for that though

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karatekickz:

the other issue is I run my server headless

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karatekickz:

so therefore I gotta drag it out to do work on the myth config

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justinh:

so? so do I

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justinh:

and I use freenx-server & an nx viewer :)

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justinh:

or you could use vnc

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karatekickz:

thats what I use

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karatekickz:

nx

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justinh:

but freenx is much better :)

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karatekickz:

the interface doesnt work for me

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karatekickz:

the mythfrontend interface

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karatekickz:

freenx is better?

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justinh:

make sure it's using the qt painter then, rather than opengl

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karatekickz:

it was

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karatekickz:

im using the nomachine version I believe

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justinh:

mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt or mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt

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karatekickz:

ill try that... thought I was using qt though

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karatekickz:

the interface is sooo goofed in nx

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karatekickz:

for me

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karatekickz:

do you use a listings service like SchedulesDirect btw?

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justinh:

no, in the UK I don't have to

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karatekickz:

oh ok

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justinh:

you're not doing anything daft like running myth on a VM are you?

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karatekickz:

do you think it makes more sense to do the channel lineups on the listing service website ... or pull them all in and pick the channels I have w myth

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karatekickz:

no not running in a vm

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karatekickz:

but ive thought about it

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karatekickz:

;)

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karatekickz:

is that possible ? anyway to see my tuners? firewire card in a vm?

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justinh:

the majority of sane people don't run mythtv in a VM

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lucas_:

coincidentally I'm running XP MCE in a VM

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karatekickz:

figured there would be issues with getting the tuners through

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justinh:

yup

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lucas_:

you won't be able to access the tuner unless it's connected via USB

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lucas_:

VirtualBox's USB support is surprisingly good

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justinh:

okay then, so why the heck am I not seeing en_gb translations in mythfrontend?

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karatekickz:

hmmm... wonder if it would see my firewire card

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justinh:

sigh

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karatekickz:

im in nerd lust right now watching my hd channels comeup on my comp

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lucas_:

the unnecessary 'u' everywhere is _that_ important

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justinh:

well, don't say you weren't warned :)

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justinh:

lucas_: it IS necessary

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justinh:

I'm not having that argument here

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justinh:

I like things spelled *correctly* :)

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lucas_:

what I'm saying is, you can't live with things as-is?

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lucas_:

because it's amazing what I've been able to tolerate

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justinh:

little things, little things

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justinh:

they all add up

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johnnyj:

wow – a coworker just came up and asked if I was the guy into mythtv. he's running .21 with OTA and userjobs to populate his families iphones and psp's with content

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justinh:

text cut off with elipsis where there's enough room for the elipsis but apparently not for the extra 2 characters...

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vbman3:

hey i cant ge the mythtv gui to fit correctly on my TV

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lucas_:

they probably hate him but allow him to screw with their phones anyway out of pity

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lucas_:

anyway

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vbman3:

its a Panasonic 720p Pg50c1

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vbman3:

sorry p50c1

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justinh:

vbman3: define 'fit correctly'

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vbman3:

the native resolution is 1,049,088 (1,366 x 768)

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justinh:

ouch. sucky huh

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vbman3:

the gui bigger then screen

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vbman3:

so the top and bottom is cut off

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justinh:

and the sides

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karatekickz:

thx for the advice on freenx btw gonna swap that in for the nomachine ver

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lucas_:

my inevitable goal is to transcode everything into H.264 / AAC in a MPEG-4 container with captions as subtitles and cutpoints removed

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justinh:

infact it's overscanning vbman3

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vbman3:

how do i fix it?

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justinh:

any number of ways

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lucas_:

I can do all this via a script and mencoder

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vbman3:

shoot

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justinh:

either find a way to get it into a pixel-matching mode, or somehow fight with modelines.. or despair that it can't be done at all

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lucas_:

probably tagging the MP4s using the database's excessive amount of information about every recording

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vbman3:

tried the overscan setting.. withe arrows

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karatekickz:

justinh: you recommend a reboot after the nomachine uninstall before install freenx

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karatekickz:

?

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justinh:

I never recommend a reboot to solve software issues

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justinh:

this is linux

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justinh:

you don't have to reboot to solve most problems

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karatekickz:

yeah im an xp n00b

[16:15:09]

karatekickz:

linux n00b I mean

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vbman3:

so justin those the only ways

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lucas_:

but I'm thinking, why not just do it remotely on my FreeBSD server, which has a much more powerful processor that is idle most of the time

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karatekickz:

xp a reboot solves everything

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karatekickz:

lol

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justinh:

vbman3: have you tried searching the internet for "mythtv $TVmodelname" ?

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lucas_:

and Fedora recommends rebooting all the time when yum finishes updating 90% of the time

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justinh:

yeah well, fedora can fizzle ma shizzle

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lucas_:

and I've had -vastly- more kernel panics here and elsewhere than on Win7 BSODs in the last year

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justinh:

kernel updates require reboots, yeah

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vbman3:

yea

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justinh:

but IMHO only fools install every last available update when nothing is broken :)

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justinh:

there has to be a pressing reason to update

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justinh:

for mythtv systems, there seldom is

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karatekickz:

yeah sadly ubuntu updates recommend reoboots often

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lucas_:

if everything Works For Me anyway

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lucas_:

and if you're using it as an actual HTPC

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justinh:

vbman3: yea what?

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karatekickz:

I luvs the newest!

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justinh:

vbman3: I think you 'just' need to get Xorg to ignore EDID from the panel & use a custom modeline

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vbman3:

i found out my modeline is 720p when its not the actual resolution

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justinh:

vbman3: try http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Modeline_Database# . . . C_TH-50PX70A

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karatekickz:

i just did something sort of dumb perhaps you can tell me how to correct fyi https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX

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karatekickz:

im on lucid

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karatekickz:

I accidently goofed and installed as per jaunty

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karatekickz:

it installed liek 48 packages

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karatekickz:

ran sudo aptitude install freenx instead of sudo apt-get install neatx-server

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karatekickz:

sorry I get this isnt myth... this question is for justinh

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karatekickz:

got it nm

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karatekickz:

justinh: I guess lucid moved to neatx .. but It seems faster than the nomachine thx for the advice... mythfront end is still pretty slow though

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dupondje:

I'm trying to find out how to change from Analog channel to MPEG channel in Live TV screen. The 'C' button doesnt seem to work

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akel:

hi

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akel:

can you help me?

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karatekickz:

akel: its best to just ask... however the chan doesnt seem too busy at,

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akel:

i try to install mythbuntu on my dell d610

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akel:

i have a s2 s-3600 usb card

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akel:

when i make a channel scan, i receive an erro

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akel:

i created channel.conf file with command scan -o vdr

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sphery:

akel: use the mythtv-setup channel scanner

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oobe:

only 8 recordings got lost with my disk failure and only 5 of them are worth watching

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oobe:

and none of them worth crying over

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sphery:

hope 5 of them are worth re-running, too, so you can re-record them

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oobe:

i will get a new disk soon

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oobe:

yea

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akel:

but when i try to import channel from file i receive error parsing ...

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sphery:

akel: use the mythtv-setup channel scanner

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oobe:

actaully one of them is somthing that would be hard to track down

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oobe:

serial killer docos

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oobe:

i love em

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karatekickz:

I have a some recordings "stuck" that I cannot remove I manually deleted the files... and now the shows wont delete via mythweb or the front end thoughts?

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akel:

sphery: i try with mythtv-setup channel scanner...

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akel:

i read is thia a problem with 0.22 version un ubuntu 10.04 ...it's real?

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akel:

do you read my request?

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wagnerrp:

the channel scanner in 0.22 will not do analog

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wagnerrp:

you are trying to do digital

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wagnerrp:

so what you read was irrelevent

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sphery:

so mythtv-setup channel scanner should work better than channels.conf

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akel:

why don't work?

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wagnerrp:

probably because you have not properly set up the necessary parts to get to that point

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sphery:

well, we have a channel scanner specifically created for mythtv to work properly with mythtv

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sphery:

so that's the one that's best supported

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akel:

exist a guide to set up the necessary parts properly ?

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akel:

i live in italy

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akel:

my sat is hotbird 13°

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S#MythTV_Setup

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dupondje:

Damn :( It finds all my channels, but keeps giving snow when I try to play them, any ideas ?

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Beirdo:

!trout dupondje language

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** MythLogBot slaps dupondje with a language trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

gives snow? sounds like it's not tuning right.

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dupondje:

yea don't know, it find all my channels when I do a channel search, but doesn't play anything :s

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akel:

when i try to click on button called "DiSEqC do not work .i don't see windows for setup...

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akel:

sphery: when i try to click on button called "DiSEqC do not work .i don't see windows for setup..

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karatekickz:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:henningpingel/xbmc

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karatekickz:

oops

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karatekickz:

hahha

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karatekickz:

OHHHHH

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karatekickz:

that isnt going to get me any points

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iamlindoro:

We don't care what people use

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iamlindoro:

just don't try to get support for it here, and don't try to use it as a myth frontend

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iamlindoro:

Otherwise, have fun with it

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Beirdo:

don't ask, don't tell...

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Beirdo:

oh wait.. that's the military

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Beirdo:

OMG, I need more coffee

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dupondje:

Beirdo: Ok, removed analog channel, and using digital channel now, but sound it broken it seems, its lower pitch it seems

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Beirdo:

you likely have the sound settings locking the sample rate at the wrong rate

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Beirdo:

or something along those lines

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dupondje:

where are those hidden ?

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dupondje:

When using at least one "Blackbird" card, the AVerMedia M150-D, MythTV sometimes records "razzy" audio with earlier kernels (see the card's Wiki entry for details) — voices sound as if the speakers had kazoos stuck in their throats.

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dupondje:

HAHA, thats it :P

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dupondje:

neither does channel changing works :(

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dupondje:

2010-05–24 19:40:18.962 MPEGRec(/dev/video1) Warning: Can't enable VBI recording (3)

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dupondje:

eno: Invalid argument (22)

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dupondje:

:(

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Chiwauwa:

Hi. I'm trying to get wake-on-lan (WOL) working on my backend (with Mythbuntu/Asus P4PE). I have it enabled in the bios and I execute 'ethtool -s eth0 wol g' before I shutdown (shutdown -h now). I can use WOL to wake up the backend when it is either in suspend or hibernate mode. When I turn on the computer and turns it off right after 'Post' I can start the computer via wake-on-lan. When the computer is shutdown from Myt

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Chiwauwa:

hbuntu via CLI/GUI it doesn't work??? (The NIC LEDs are active in all cases) Any suggestions? Thanks.

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johnnyj:

ok i was reading this – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythWebRSS

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johnnyj:

and it said that rss was built in as of http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/17726

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johnnyj:

however I'm not seeing how to do this in .23

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iamlindoro:

johnnyj: Mythweb rss is at the very bottom of the recorded programs page in a tiny icon-- it is also currently broken with several open tickets

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johnnyj:

duh – thanks – I knew I had seen that logo before

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bradd_:

what mythfrontend -v flags will help me figure out why fanart isnt being displayed for recorded programs(it works fine in mythvideo)...

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dupondje:

Seems HVR1300 is broken :(

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dupondje:

damn

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wagnerrp:

wow... upgrading from 7.04

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wagnerrp:

7.10, rather...

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tweek__:

still no idea why mythfrontend requires pulseaudio's main output device to be disabled and re-enabled before any sound will play?

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wagnerrp:

tweek__: no, it just requires pulseaudio to be disabled entirely, so mythtv can bypass it and hit ALSA directly

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wagnerrp:

apparently thats going to change here in a couple days

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tweek__:

well, in 0.23 and whatever the latest version of pulse is

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wagnerrp:

in 0.22/0.23, and any version of pulse

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tweek__:

all I need to do to get sound working is to manually disable the audio playback device, and re-enable it, in the pulseaudio GUI

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend will not currently work with pulseaudio

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wagnerrp:

so instead, it just disables it

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tweek__:

well, was playing a recording to confirm for myself that pulseaudio is in fact control of the sound on a per-application basis coming from mythfrontend

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tweek__:

but then fedora decided to be awesome

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tweek__:

http://vidya.dyndns.org/stuff/pulseaudio.png <--- pulseaudio is in control of the audio stream coming from mythtv.

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tweek__:

one of the biggest myths about open-source development is that 'anyone can contribute'. not only does all of this crap require specialized knowledge that comes from documentation that doesn't usually exist, but patches are almost always rejected.

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tweek__:

with that said, where would I look to fix this

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iamlindoro:

We only reject bad patches

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iamlindoro:

nobody willfully rejects good work, that just doesn't make sense

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tweek__:

oh it's happened a billion times before

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iamlindoro:

There's nowhere to look to fix, we already have proper pulseaudio support coming in the next release, so the work is done

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iamlindoro:

And anyone *can* contribute-- but that doesn't mean we don't have standards for what we put into source we distribute

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tweek__:

is there a svn repository available or something? would like to at the very least back-port this in. I understand the implications to stability

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iamlindoro:

It is not a backportable change, it is an entire branch

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sphery:

and contributing necessarily involves learning beforehand

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iamlindoro:

Which will be merged in the next day or two, so it'll be trunk

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sphery:

and documentation isn't the only way to learn

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dustybin:

slackware 13.1 has just been released, this very few seconds :D http://www.slackware.com/

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tweek__:

yeah, there's always the wise-old-elder-crawling-out-of-his-hole-every-few-years-to-share-wisdom approach

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tweek__:

works for the Linux kernel devs it seems

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iamlindoro:

tweek__: Honestly, from the seething coming off of you, it doesn't seem like it would be very fun to work with you

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iamlindoro:

I wonder what all we did to offend you so greatly that you would behave this way

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sphery:

tweek__: and just because you see, "pulseaudio is in fact control of the sound on a per-application basis coming from mythfrontend" does not mean that audio playback is working properly

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sphery:

tweek__: watch an hour-long show and you'll see what I mean

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tweek__:

I've been watching live TV like this for hours, but I don't deny that there could be problems with certain use cases

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sphery:

hours uninterrupted?

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tweek__:

yep

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sphery:

you should be seeing nice audio sync issues

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sphery:

but, hey, if you want it to work so badly that you're willing to ignore the issues

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iamlindoro:

If you'r part of the narrow user band that can watch with pulse without issue, that's good-- but there is a much larger proportion for whom it is totally broken

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sphery:

as are most solutions without problems

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tweek__:

fedora 12/13 uses pulse by default. removing it breaks everything else. that's a problem

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tweek__:

I'm not trying to complain, just wondering if there's a fix

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sphery:

no, I mean Pulse is a solution without a problem

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iamlindoro:

The fix will be to upgrade to .24 when released

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I'm seeing hung python processes with bindings/mirobridge on a DB Schema mismatch-- FYI. Don't know with which the fault lies

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iamlindoro:

100% CPU

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tweek__:

as for caption extraction, there's a script on the wiki that strips out captions for commercial cutpoints. doesn't make much sense because when playing back with mplayer (as it suggests) the commercials aren't skipped. you can tell mplayer to skip them by using EDL files but then the subtitle gaps are skipped too.

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tweek__:

I've got a script that will transcode files with captions as subtitles and commercials removed

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tweek__:

I'll put it on the wiki once I'm done testing it, I'm sure it'll last all of an hour

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iamlindoro:

tweek__: Seriously, what is with the attitude? I would really love to know what specifically this project has rejected from you that has left you making remarks like that

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iamlindoro:

If we closed a ticket from you, perhaps we can provide a better explanation-- but the complaining is really intolerable

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tweek__:

I'm just cynical. years of experience with this sort of stuff

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iamlindoro:

K, so don't take it out on us

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tweek__:

mostly the 'we don't have any obligation to make our software not suck balls' comment a while back threw me into rage-mode

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iamlindoro:

tweek__: Please cut the surliness, or just leave the channel. I've had enough.

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lapion:

anyone else having problem scheduling show recordings during a show ?

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tweek__:

using the program guide to record stuff during live-tv works fine here.

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lapion:

for me when the show has finished all that has been recorded is up to the point I started to record

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iamlindoro:

lapion: What is the source of your guide data?

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lapion:

so I am in the first 10 minutes of the show and I decide to record it, enter the program guid press r once, and it says that I am recording the show.

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lapion:

but when I return to watch the whole show, I find out only up until 10 mins the show has been recorded

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lapion:

regular recording works fine, it's only while recording mid-showing that this happens

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lapion:

and my guide is preloaded with grab-rv program

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lapion:

iamlindoro, any ideas ?

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lapion:

hmm any1 ?

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lapion:

I have been testing this the whole day to verify it..

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tweek__:

yep, pulseaudio installed, pulseaudio killed or pulseaudio removed completely

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tweek__:

mythfrontend now crashes inexplicably after playing a second recording

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i suspect it all goes back to those ubiquitous threading issues

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wagnerrp:

im doing a big reorg of the bindings

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wagnerrp:

should be functionally the same

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wagnerrp:

but im splitting up the big three files, into a number of smaller, more manageable ones

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wagnerrp:

basically done, but i need to go through testing (and get that script running to do the testing for me)

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wagnerrp:

give me a couple days to look at it

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, no worries, just figured you might want to know

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iamlindoro:

If someone has a schema mismatch they have problems that need fixing anyway

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wagnerrp:

i need to figure out a way to find and delete old versions

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wagnerrp:

python has a library that will install stuff for you, but it wont go back and delete it later

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wagnerrp:

go figure

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iamlindoro:

In this case it was that I had locally updated the core schema but hadn't yet bumped the python numbers for it

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Coded1:

hello all. just reinstalled myth on my ubuntu box, and when I try to play video files, AVI, MKV(h.264) etc. I get this http://pastebin.com/0msbwmJJ

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Coded1:

can anyone take a peek at it?

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