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iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-May/289386.html

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iamlindoro:

ARGH

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp or RDV_Linux, I assume I can count on one of you to explain a) legal problems and b) BETA PLUGIN?

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iamlindoro:

"Wouldn't it be better if we just stole content instead? How come MNV doesn't download things all perfect-perfect into recordings?"

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: looking now

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iamlindoro:

Seems someone missed the boat on the whole point of MNV being to respect ToS and still offer a good experience

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iamlindoro:

not that I'm surprised since he mentions he hasn't run it... good to know it's not stopping him from offering his useless opinion

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wagnerrp:

that the one from hawksworth? (havent clicked the link)

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iamlindoro:

yes

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wagnerrp:

off peak data time? consumers actually prorated internet access?

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: It seems what he wants for downloadable Internet content is already server by MiroBridge while MNV's design has many more features and flexibility.

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RDV_Linux:

s/server/served/

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wagnerrp:

i wonder how he has a box that cant run MNV

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: A little apples and oranges here

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Coded1:

is there a way to turn off opengl with out the ui? when in mythtv I can get to the Setup/Utilities menu but after that I can select a menu option but the screen doesnt change and becomes unresponisve until I hit the ESC key, think it might have something to do with opengl

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, It actually seems more like he thinks we should download content which is web-playable precisely because we can't download it

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wagnerrp:

Coded1: '-O ThemePainter=qt'

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Coded1:

wagnerrp, ty

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, He specifically mentions network full episdoe TV

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iamlindoro:

So it appears he wants us to download that

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: As you started this with a TOS comment he does not seem to understand that there are many restrictions to the content.

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iamlindoro:

If only someone would work to more tightly integrate online content

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Coded1:

if I run mythtv-setup under directories which one do I set for the video I already have ? I guessed "Video" but running mythtvfrontend does not list the contents

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Coded1:

all it shows it "Recorded Content"

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** wagnerrp hates people who post to mailing lists with their address as the reply-to **

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** wagnerrp considers putting that comment in his reply **

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Coded1:

after my last comment everything went quiet ... am i in irc purgatory ?

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Coded1:

marco

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k-man:

Coded1: seems a bit strange – check you set the directories correctly and that myth video is in fact installed?

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k-man:

wagnerrp: yeah, many people seem to be confused by the reply-to field in their email

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Coded1:

k-man, ahhh you have shown me how noob i really am

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wagnerrp:

k-man: its not him, its his mailing program

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wagnerrp:

which also doesnt populate the in-reply-to field to spec

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wagnerrp:

meaning it breaks threading

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k-man:

oh, i see

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wagnerrp:

Coded1: the 'Videos' storage group is set in mythtv-setup as the folders mythbackend is to serve to MythVideo

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k-man:

wagnerrp: what client did they use? any idea?

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wagnerrp:

you have to have the MythVideo plugin installed, and you have to tell it to scan for content

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wagnerrp:

k-man: my guess is some poor webmail program

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k-man:

there used to be this cool plugin for thunderbird that shows you which mail client they used – from the mail agent field i guess, but it doesn't seem to work in tb3

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wagnerrp:

that requires the mailer to specify that field, which it doesnt

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Coded1:

k-man, wagnerrp thanks again it is loading up 200gb of video goodness right now

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k-man:

Coded1: so what was the problem?

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wagnerrp:

closest i get is that its from 'webmail07.syd.optusnet.com.au'

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wagnerrp:

k-man: probably that he forgot to scan

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wagnerrp:

scanning has to has the files, so it takes a while

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wagnerrp:

hash

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Coded1:

k-man, did not install mythvideo

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Coded1:

took it for granted that it was already there

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k-man:

Coded1: easy mistake to make

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sphery:

lapion: thank you for testing... Can you do me a favor and mention that it seems to work fine when you disable "Always use Browse mode in LiveTV". Thanks.

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Coded1:

on a related topic: frontend crashed when I tried to play a video

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k-man:

which version of mythtv?

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Coded1:

0.23

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Coded1:

not sure of the rest

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k-man:

Coded1: sorry, can't really help as I have not really used mythvideo much in .23

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k-man:

Coded1: but i believe you can specify somewhere that mplayer should be used to play the videos, you might try that and see if you have further success

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k-man:

did you guys see the stuff about google opening up vp8 codec?

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wagnerrp:

a while back

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wagnerrp:

like yesterday

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k-man:

ok well, it was night here ;)

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k-man:

or maybe i had my head under a towel

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Wicked:

well i think its safe to say that mythtv and hdhr do not play as well together as they are made out too...on one of the stations that had the right guide data.......mythtv went to record a show...and it recorded 30 mins of black screen....

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Wicked:

def gonna have to return this hdhr

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Wicked:

:(

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wagnerrp:

if you recorded half an hour of black acreen, thats what your cableco broadcast

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Wicked:

or mythtv failed to get a lock on the station

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Wicked:

and recorded blackscreen

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wagnerrp:

had that happened, mythtv would have outright failed

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not encode mpeg2

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[R]:

mythtv doesn't "lock" onto anything with the hdhr...

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Wicked:

it sure looks like it does when changing channels on the hdhr

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wagnerrp:

mythtv told your HDHR to lock a multiplex, and stream a PID

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wagnerrp:

thats what it did, and it streamed an mpeg of black video

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wagnerrp:

neither the HDHR nor mythtv can encode to mpeg2, to produce that black video on its own

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Wicked:

it does the LAMGV lock when chaning channels

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wagnerrp:

it /HAD/ to come from your cable company

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Wicked:

well the station works fine now..and worked fine right before.....no idea why comcast would just broadcast blackness for only a half hour on NBC

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wagnerrp:

because they decided to shuffle channels temporarily

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[R]:

why does comcast do any of the stupid nonsense they do

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wagnerrp:

since they broadcast their own translation tables, they can change the physical broadcasts at will, without affecting their desired customers

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Wicked:

comcast randomly shuffles channels around?

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sphery:

RDV_Linux / wagnerrp : thanks for the response to the "why not just download MNV stuff to watch later."

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sphery:

it needed to be said

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iamlindoro:

yes, thanks

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** wagnerrp is still waiting to be able to configure his backend from a text editor **

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wagnerrp:

chop chop boys, get to it

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[R]:

so i was actually raeding those threads

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[R]:

i know people have been talking about web config

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[R]:

is anyone actually doing anything with taht now?

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wagnerrp:

danielk has it on his long term list

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[R]:

i was pondering taking a stab at it

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[R]:

but i dont want to step on his toes

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wagnerrp:

im sure he wouldnt mind you doing it for him, but then im also sure he has a fairly specific idea of how it should work

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[R]:

yeah, i tried pinging him before, i'll wait till he gets on to talk to him about it

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Wicked:

hmmm....so basicly....one can not rely on mythtv to successfully record from a hdhr if their provider is comcast....due them randomly switching channels around?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: anyway, i wouldnt recommend that task for anyone not intimately aware of myth's internals

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[R]:

wagnerrp: it doesnt seem liek it should be too hard...

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wagnerrp:

Wicked: no, one cannot rely on mythtv to successfully record from a digital tuner if their provider is apt to randomly switch channels

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wagnerrp:

[R]: youre doing the configuration, meaning you have to know what every little setting is bound to

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[R]:

wagnerrp: but all the code is already there...

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wagnerrp:

you also need to add a good number of backend proto commands for restarting backends

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wagnerrp:

and managing scanning

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wagnerrp:

and.... a good number of other things i wouldnt event be aware of since im not intimately knowledgeable with the internals

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[R]:

well if i fail i fail

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[R]:

but i can try

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I have a curses based backend config, but for some reason the fonts are very small from 10' away, and I can't figure out how to type in the words with my remote...

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Captain_Murdoch:

[R], daniel has already started work on the web setup

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[R]:

see, thats why i wanted to wait to talk to him!

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[R]:

lol

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sphery:

[R]: there's a ticket for it

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sphery:

with a patch

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[R]:

is there? i tried looking

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8262

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sphery:

backend setup web

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sphery:

(search terms)

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[R]:

oh, i had http in t here somewhere

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[R]:

totally was not working

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sphery:

I /still/ think we need a GUI config

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sphery:

even if it means having 2

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sphery:

the GUI can be much prettier

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sphery:

/and/ can work with remote/10-ft UI

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[R]:

how many times does one go into mythtv-setup that is should be "pretty" though?

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Wicked:

no idea if comcast is known to do that wagnerrp...i just know the very 1st recording that mythtv tried to record from my new hdhr came out blank....which is a big let down for me.

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[R]:

but you said it is working now

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Wicked:

especially after the hell i went through(and still am) trying to get these channels to show up correctly in mythtv.....but i think its a bug in myth thats is not displaying the channels right

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[R]:

"displaying the channels"?

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Wicked:

from earlier

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Wicked:

if i goto the actual guide in mythtv and goto NECN....and look at all the shows on tonight... the office does not show.....but in the upcoming recordings screen...it shows the office recording on NECN

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sphery:

[R]: so you'd prefer that mythtv-setup is ugly

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sphery:

and hard to use

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[R]:

sphery: hah

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Wicked:

actual guide(notice channel 3 is NECN): http://picpaste.com/pics/actualGuide.1274396038.png

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Wicked:

upcoming recordings(notice NECN) http://picpaste.com/pics/upcoming.1274396071.png

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sphery:

and daunting for the newcomer

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[R]:

sphery: a web interface done right could be pretty sweet

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sphery:

IMHO, iamlindoro's wizard-based setup was great

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sphery:

and I still think we need that

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sphery:

as it is, plenty of people go into mythfrontend without every configuring the backend

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Wicked:

also...when im in livetv and i switch to the hdhr input....and i goto channel 707...it shows no info(or rather unknown)...and no guide data....but if i goto the actual tv guide under manage recordings -> schedule recordings -> program guide...then goto channel 707 it shows the correct guide data with all the listings.

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sphery:

I'm sure that finding the web-based one will just make that worse

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sphery:

Wicked: sounds like dup channels... so, you misconfigured input connections

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[R]:

sphery: there needs to be a boolean in the db that defaults to false and gets set true when you run setup

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sphery:

Wicked: You can clean it up with the video sources portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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Wicked:

hmm

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sphery:

[R]: yeah, something like that might be nice

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Wicked:

ill try that out sphery once this recording finishes. thanks

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sphery:

Wicked: usually you get dups when you run mythfilldatabase without properly specifying xmltvid's

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squish102:

wow, just did a double mythbuntu upgrade 9.04 -> 10.04 and it want pretty well. glad to be back on the newer mythtv.

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Wicked:

should i remove all the channels from the hdhr and rescan also?

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squish102:

nice to also see my tuners go from 4 to 7 (hdhomerun sweetness!)

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wagnerrp:

3 tuners out of a HDHR?

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squish102:

nope, i had an ati HD tvtuner too

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squish102:

and a sd tuner pvr 150

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squish102:

what is the easiest way to see what a microsoft mce remote is sending to linux on certain buttons. They dont seem to do anyhting and i would like to map them to something

[03:05:06]

wagnerrp:

irw

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squish102:

thanks

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markl:

are there any decent linux dvd authoring tools?

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markl:

i have an h.264 mp4 that i want to make into a dvd with chapters

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markl:

fwiw looks like DeVeDe is the winner

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sphery:

Wicked: I would use the approach in that e-mail--the Delete all video sources approach--since it cleans out all the garbage

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sphery:

start from a known state (clean DB), then make sure you only put in the right info, and you know all is well

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sphery:

if you take any other approach, you may be leaving broken garbage in place (meaning you'll have to do it right the next time)

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Wicked:

yea. doing it now....removed all video devices and all inputs...readded my pvr150 and hdhr...rescanned for the hdhr...and im now running mythfill

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k-man:

Wicked: which country are you in if you don't mind me asking?

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Wicked:

im in the north east usa

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wagnerrp:

which is why he was asking about recording from comcast

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k-man:

oh, ok – missed that bit

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k-man:

just saw the hdhr bit

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k-man:

i love the hdhr

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k-man:

you know what would be cool, is a custom y splitter that would go into the two antenna sockets on the back of the hdhr

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k-man:

all nice and neat like

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k-man:

ooh.. it's on special in australia for only $249.95!

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wagnerrp:

just make a pair of custom fit coax cables, such that when both connected, they bend in the direction you want it to

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wagnerrp:

thats awfully expensive...

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k-man:

wagnerrp: that's australia for you

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wagnerrp:

its normally like half that over here

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k-man:

that is AUD btw

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k-man:

yeah... also ours is the DVB-t version – not sure if that makes any difference

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wagnerrp:

i know, but i didnt think the exchange rate was that off

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wagnerrp:

doubt it

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k-man:

but all IT stuff doubles in price as it arrives here

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k-man:

no, its not exchange rate related, its importers wanting to line their pockets related ;)

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wagnerrp:

well you are on the other side of the world

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k-man:

yeah, the price of living in paradise i guess ;)

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k-man:

what is the simplest way to move a recorded movie from recordings to mythvideo?

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k-man:

preferably through the front end only

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py

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Wicked:

sphery, doing that did not seem to help. mythtv is still seeing the wrong guide info for NECN....no idea why its always necn.

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Wicked:

and its also not getting guide info the channels where i have set xmltvids for

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Wicked:

yea...im back right where i was...infact im prob worse off...ive missed recordings and now none of the channels i had setup are listing data :|

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Wicked:

oh well...got 30 days before i need to put in for a return on this.....ill give it another day or two....

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k-man:

wagnerrp: thanks for the link – have you tried it yourself?

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k-man:

is there any sort of guide to settup up and configuring that script that you know of?

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iamlindoro:

He wrote it, ideally he's used it

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wagnerrp:

k-man: just set it up like any other user job

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wagnerrp:

run "mythvidexport.py --mformat='some string'" to set the output format

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wagnerrp:

'-p' to print the current format

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wagnerrp:

and '-f' for a list of supported variables

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wagnerrp:

should all be detailed if you run with '--help'

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k-man:

wagnerrp: thanks

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k-man:

is it in .23 by default?

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wagnerrp:

yes, but removed in trunk

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k-man:

removed from trunk? how come?

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wagnerrp:

most of contrib got shuffled off to the wiki

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k-man:

ok

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jamesd_:

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/hdtv.png

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k-man:

yeah, saw that a few days ago, its very true

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k-man:

anyone ever moved over from .debs of mythtv to built from svn mythtv?

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clever:

k-man: people do it all the time, i did it on my 2nd day of using myth

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clever:

the debs gave me 0.18

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k-man:

clever: any tricks, traps or issues i should be aware of?

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k-man:

oh.. i'm running the marillat .debs of .23 currently

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clever:

its just a normal upgrade, you just need to get it compiled

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clever:

once its compiled its pretty much the same as an apt-get update

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k-man:

ok

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k-man:

so i can apt-get remove mythtv, then make install the newly compiled and it should just work?

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clever:

pretty much

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clever:

except that ubuntu may try to 'help' and remove the auto-startup scripts on you

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k-man:

oh

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k-man:

ok, i'll watch for that

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k-man:

i recently reinstalled mythtv due to a system failure

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k-man:

i'm still not entirely happy with my new install

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k-man:

just don't get enough time to work on it

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EruditeHermit:

hey, when scanning ATSC channels, is it important to increase the timeout for the scan?

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[R]:

are you missing channels?

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EruditeHermit:

yes

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EruditeHermit:

and I also am getting timed out, no signal a lot

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[R]:

are you sure you pick them up?

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[R]:

are you sure you are scanning the correct channels?

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EruditeHermit:

well I don't know really

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EruditeHermit:

I get some of them

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EruditeHermit:

not all

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EruditeHermit:

and it takes really long to lock onto them

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EruditeHermit:

do I just need a better antenna?

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[R]:

possibly

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EruditeHermit:

do indoor antennas just not cut it?

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[R]:

depends on what kind of signal you're getting

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[R]:

where it is

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[R]:

and what kind of antenna it is

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EruditeHermit:

its near the window on a shelf

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[R]:

and what frequency its at

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[R]:

and what obstructions there are

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EruditeHermit:

no obstructions other than the walls of the house

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EruditeHermit:

and neighbouring houses outside

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[R]:

so not no obstructions

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EruditeHermit:

its got 2 telescopic antennas and one ring

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EruditeHermit:

and an amplifier

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EruditeHermit:

brb

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EruditeHermit:

[R], many of the channels that were found give errors when trying to view them

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EruditeHermit:

do you think its just a weak signal?

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[R]:

"give errors" you say?

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[R]:

there is a signal strenght meter somewhere

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[R]:

F7 or something in livetv

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EruditeHermit:

failed to initialize video output

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[R]:

what is the full backend and frontend logs

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EruditeHermit:

http://pastebin.com/MPy3qehU

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EruditeHermit:

is the frontened

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[R]:

#

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[R]:

2010-05–20 23:40:58.422 VideoOutputXv Error: Could not find suitable XvMC surface.

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[R]:

did you tell it to use xvmc?

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EruditeHermit:

nope

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EruditeHermit:

where is that set?

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[R]:

in the frontend settings

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[R]:

um

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[R]:

Playback Profiles

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[R]:

under "Playback"

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EruditeHermit:

ah that fixed it

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EruditeHermit:

hmm

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EruditeHermit:

seems to have low FPS

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EruditeHermit:

jerky

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[R]:

whats your cpu usage look like

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EruditeHermit:

20–30%

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EruditeHermit:

on many cores

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EruditeHermit:

hmm

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EruditeHermit:

so is standard ffmpeg the best when using an ATI GPU?

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[R]:

"best"?

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EruditeHermit:

best picture quality with lowest CPU usage etc

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[R]:

isn't htere like 2 options

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[R]:

and the help pretty much explains it all

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justinh:

check the output of mythfrontend -v playback

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justinh:

while playing stuff back, obviously

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justinh:

and yeah standard ffmpeg is generally the best choice for everybody these days

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justinh:

but YMMV

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justinh:

btw for best performance with ATI you may need to use ATI's own driver not the open source one

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justinh:

oh and you should probably try different video playback profiles. the default (cpu+ IIRC) isn't optimal for everybody

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justinh:

I wish there was an easier way to try out different profiles, deinterlace methods & video renderers but there isn't

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droid:

Hey hey

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Jay2k1:

a key binding would be nice

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[R]:

maybe like a test video

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[R]:

and it plays it with one setting

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[R]:

and asks you what you think

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[R]:

then plays it with another one

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justinh:

Jay2k1: what – like [Next profile] or something

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[R]:

then asks you what you think

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Jay2k1:

or some kind of "test mode" you can enter and then use arrows to cycle through profiles

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[R]:

then when its all done, does it all over

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droid:

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[R]:

kinda like "number 1, number 2" at the eye doctor

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Jay2k1:

justinh: yes

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justinh:

Jay2k1: not an awful idea :) Now code it all up & have a patch ready by this time tomorrow :-P

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Jay2k1:

uh

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Jay2k1:

sorry

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** justinh laughs **

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Jay2k1:

next week i'm on vacation, have to finish quite some stuff here

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Jay2k1:

this day's already scheduled :P

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justinh:

just joshing with you. I'd love to do loads of stuff but simply don't have any time

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Jay2k1:

i know, i don't even know python

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justinh:

speaking of which.. time to drive to work

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Jay2k1:

well, i once saw one in a zoo

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Jay2k1:

perhaps you have 30 more seconds

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Jay2k1:

just a question, while watching live tv, menu -> zoom, what's that foer

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Jay2k1:

is it supposed to actually zoom into the picture?

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Jay2k1:

i can only move the picture left/right/up/down (nvidia card)

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Jay2k1:

and now that HD works due to a new card with vdpau, i wanted to zoom in a bit but i just shifted the picture up heh

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[R]:

i don't think you can do zoom with vdpau

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Jay2k1:

well, before i had default cpu+ with onboard geforce 6150 or so

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Jay2k1:

same results

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simonckenyon:

did anyone notice that this logitech googletv box has an HDMI-in port?

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justinh:

yeah, but I strongly suspect it's not any kind of recorder

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justinh:

probably only does overlays on top of the input signal

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justinh:

I doubt Dish would want anybody to get in on recording their service -and Dish have been mentioned in all the press coverage AFAIK

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simonckenyon:

would that not entail doing HDCP to unscramble the signal to do the overlay?

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justinh:

more than likely yes

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justinh:

but that's a no-brainer for an HDMI receiver

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simonckenyon:

the box is running linux – so maybe there will be some drivers

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justinh:

I very much doubt that too

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justinh:

the unfettling is done inside a chip.

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justinh:

the chip will use a key given to it by a processor – with google's ID

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simonckenyon:

well it might make a nice frontend

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justinh:

assuming that's approved by the device on the other end it'll then get nice HD video squirted into it

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justinh:

the whole thing about HDCP is that it's not the host processor's job to do the encrippling. I mean STB CPUs aren't up to the job. As far from it as you can get, usually

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justinh:

what I got from the stuff I read about the GoogleTV thing is that it'll *control* a set top box to allow you to watch what it finds for you. Which compared to a PVR is completely lame :)

[08:40:03]

justinh:

what this thing undoubtedly *is* though, is the first 'real' convergence device of any note

[08:41:24]

justinh:

but at CES there was a lot of talk of 'TV 2.0' where people 'interact' while watching teevees. i.e. tweet, facebook etc while watching telly – and a good few devices are coming along to allow you to do that. even built into the tv itself. The whole idea leaves me cold

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justinh:

they're still hopelessly clinging onto the idea that live tv is where it's at :-\

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justinh:

although some outfits are touting watching on demand tv together with friends in other locations. No thanks to that either. I watch stuff when *I* want to watch stuff

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simonckenyon:

i was looking at the box from a mythtv perspective – can we use the hardware in any meaningful way as a) a frontend or b) a recording device for HD or c) both of the above

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justinh:

well, maybe. maybe not. maybe the OS will expose any HD decoding hardware. Or maybe not

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justinh:

as in HD playback decoding hardware

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justinh:

wonder how much of the 'HD NMT' stuff out there already uses broadcom gear. Not seen anything about dismantled/hacked NMTs yet

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simonckenyon:

NMT?

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justinh:

network media tank

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justinh:

is the boxee box available yet? that's ripe for the plucking. And a re-casing

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justinh:

definitely a re-casing :D

[08:47:21]

justinh:

hey maybe the google tv thing uses a nvidia gpu

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justinh:

in which case, we already have drivers :)

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simonckenyon:

i have to agree – it looks interesting for about 30 seconds and then you go – and how do i stand it up straight

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simonckenyon:

the google box is intel only

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justinh:

maybe they were coming from a 'nothing is going on top of our box, our box is king of the castle' stance ;-)

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simonckenyon:

so we would need vaapi support in myth

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justinh:

that'll come

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simonckenyon:

bit like sky boxes

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justinh:

we need vaapi to actually work first

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simonckenyon:

well i cannot find any motherboards with nvidia chips (seeing as how they exited that market) so i need vaapi to work so i can use intel or more likely ati

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** justinh laughs **

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justinh:

ati. don't anybody hold their breath now

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justinh:

prove me wrong, ati. come on!

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simonckenyon:

for integrated gpu it is the only realistic option – intel isn't and i'm not sure i want to go down the atom route

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justinh:

I thought there were motherboards with like GT220 onboard now

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justinh:

I still think there'll never be any true replacement for software decoding

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simonckenyon:

i was not aware of that – will check

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justinh:

hardware offload is nice but has disadvantages

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simonckenyon:

i suppose i had better go and do some work

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justinh:

my wife was telling me she was talking about mythtv at work yesterday – telling co-workers how it crashed on Monday & I had to rebuild it. Oh, so you lost all your recordings? We lose our recordings quite a lot from our Sky+ box, they said. Then wife took great pleasure in saying "oh no, every last recording was intact"

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Jay2k1:

heh

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Jay2k1:

such coworkers are worth a lot

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justinh:

I worry about that. One day they're going to want one too

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Jay2k1:

actually, you should look at it from another point of view

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Jay2k1:

my g/f wanted to buy a hdd recorder in the first place

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deegan:

justinh, start charging by the hour. :)

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Jay2k1:

and whenever something goes wrong with the myth box, i fear she might think "if only we had just bought the goddamn recorder and everything would've been fine"

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Jay2k1:

that way she knows to value it :)

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justinh:

my wife would lose arbitrary skipping, and timestretch.. and very intelligent scheduling

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Jay2k1:

but i have to say she admitted a few times that she loves all the features she got

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Jay2k1:

she can even listen to her favourite radio station again, i added webradio to the main menu

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justinh:

at first my wife told people "it's like rocket science & I don't understand a bit of it"

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Jay2k1:

(which is annoying when updates come)

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Jay2k1:

heh, i have the feeling sometimes the scheduling is too intelligent or something

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Jay2k1:

it's so complex that sometimes i lose it :x

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justinh:

wonder how whoever it is is getting along with mythmusic

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Jay2k1:

sometimes i think "hmm, why doesn't it record that show? oh, it's a re-airing/aired earlier." yes, it aired two days earlier too, but at that point myth said the same

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justinh:

I still need to configure audio on my frontend. passthru etc. god only knows what pulseaudio has done to the device names etc

[09:01:04]

justinh:

and mythnetvision... haven't the faintest clue about that yet. Oh and SGs

[09:01:35]

justinh:

might aswell try the fanart bandwagon for a while too

[09:01:43]

justinh:

get on the JAMU train

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Jay2k1:

simonckenyon there are boards with gforce 8100/8200/8300

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simonckenyon:

Jay2k1: i know – but they are getting thin on the ground and i want to see a clear way forward while still using amd cpus

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justinh:

awww Bbciplayer.py needs trunk

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Jay2k1:

i want to see a board with a decent gpu, sp/dif optical&coaxial, gb lan, hdmi+dvi+s-video, in mATX

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justinh:

s-video? lol

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justinh:

very much doubt you'll see that these days

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Jay2k1:

remember, i'm still on a crt tv

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justinh:

me too

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Jay2k1:

i was glad i could find a geforce 8400GS with a tv-out

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justinh:

optical/coax is no big deal

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Jay2k1:

and it was even under 30 bucks

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Jay2k1:

well, mostly they have a pin socket on the board, but rarely directly bui

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simonckenyon:

Jay2k1: http://www.tkk.fi/Misc/Electronics/circuits/vga2tv/circuit.html

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Jay2k1:

i have a vga > composite cable

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Jay2k1:

i once tried to make it work with windows on a hp laptop but i failed

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justinh:

man, the mythbuntu theme doe...

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Jay2k1:

i wonder if there's even a slightest chance under linux

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justinh:

(sn't half truncate loads of text)

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justinh:

updating site maps. this could...

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justinh:

please wai...

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justinh:

loadi...

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justinh:

arghh. piece of f...

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justinh:

I wanted to go with arclight but the text is too small for my wife. I like it & can read it without straining too much but I was outvoted

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Jay2k1:

nobody but me seems to prefer mythcenter :x

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justinh:

but mythbuntu, the one she favours most... still needs work IMHO

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Jay2k1:

small fonts are a problem on the few people still on crt

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justinh:

no, they're clear enough

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justinh:

they're really for bigger screens

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justinh:

like if you're closer to the screen you can read em

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justinh:

I dunno if it'd have been readable with the version of the intel driver I used to use on the frontend though

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Jay2k1:

crt's just don't have the sharpness

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justinh:

it looks like a veil has been lifted, now

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justinh:

not that it looked bad before, but now.. it's like woah

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Jay2k1:

heh, woah, i had that moment yesterday when i saw football (soccer) in HD the first time

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tassbur:

hi, i've just have a sugestion for the tunning.

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tassbur:

the devs can add a combo with diferents method of tunning

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tassbur:

default: like now, the same, with no difference

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tassbur:

kaffeine: using the method of tuning of kaffeine

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tassbur:

dvb-apps: using a-t-s-c/zap, method of tuning

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tassbur:

for the scan, it can use, s-c-t/scan on one hand

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tassbur:

and in the other hand it can use w_scan

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tassbur:

with this, when someone have a problem with a method it can use another one,always within myth.

[09:58:43]

tassbur:

i think this will improve stabilitiy, usability, and it reduce efforts on livetv plugin, reusing things that just exits and do well job

[09:59:20]

tassbur:

in fact, that methods is the normal way one test, prove, and in many cases see tv

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tassbur:

why don't use that inside myth to benefit all?

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tassbur:

well, what about with my sugestion?

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tassbur:

anybody has anything to say?

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tassbur:

is ok?

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tassbur:

are here some devs?

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justinh:

what about coding it yourself?

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justinh:

it's all very well coming here with half-baked ideas, but expecting other people to do your bidding is mightily unrealistic

[10:22:28]

tassbur:

i'm not a coder

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tassbur:

i'm just a user making suggets

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justinh:

well,I can count on no fingers the number of user suggestions not backed up with code that have made it into mythtv

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tassbur:

what i can't understand is thar anybody say nothing about

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justinh:

oh plenty people whine about livetv, but so far nobody has come forward with code

[10:24:35]

justinh:

*code* makes a difference in this project, because the developers have lives & their own motivations

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justinh:

I think that's completely fair

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justinh:

some don't, but that's their problem

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tassbur:

if i could, really, i'll do .......

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justinh:

we hear that a lot

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tassbur:

but i'm really new to code (i'm learning now)

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Jay2k1:

well, it's reasonable if users state their suggestions and ideas, can't see anything wrong with that, but i guess there's so much to be done already that suggestions and ideas stand pretty much at the very end of the line

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justinh:

but look at it from the perspective of somebody who develops code for a project who also has bills to pay, children to bring up...

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justinh:

and also has their own itches to scratch in the code

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bjd:

jeez justinh, he was just making a suggestion

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justinh:

yeah & I'm explaining why not to get disappointed if it doesn't happen

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tassbur:

no, i'm just expect some feedback, even if i say some really crazy, it's ok, no problem, but i want to know why ...

[10:29:06]

tassbur:

that's alll

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justinh:

well, putting different ways of watching tv into the code will not be easy, and likely will not be welcome

[10:30:06]

justinh:

better ways of scanning would always be welcomed, if there are real problems with the scanner

[10:30:24]

justinh:

w_scan etc are crap & go about scanning the wrong way IMHO

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justinh:

what would improve mythtv's scanner is using *wizards* where we *know* stuff will be

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justinh:

scanning the whole band of frequencies takes too long

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tassbur:

well, last night, i was seeing livetv, when it become plenty of artifacts and glitches

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justinh:

but doing it that way will take a lot of effort, and a lot of input – but will be *totally* worthwhile

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justinh:

artifacts & glitches are problems with the signal not mythtv

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tassbur:

femon -H say me: BER 378764

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tassbur:

and so on

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justinh:

yup. bad signal

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justinh:

if your bit error rate is that high, nothing will improve playback

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tassbur:

i changed to kaffeine and i could see the tv perfect

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tassbur:

femon -H say me: BER 0

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tassbur:

all night

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justinh:

that doesn't sound very likely

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tassbur:

in the say channel

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tassbur:

with the same installation

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justinh:

still doesn't sound likely

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justinh:

myth won't be doing anything kaffeine doesn't do, and vice-versa

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justinh:

unless of course the scanner has put incorrect frequency information into the database & the tuner is having problems keeping alock

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tassbur:

with dvb-apps, the same

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tassbur:

perfect, with no BER error

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justinh:

that can happen sometimes, but if the devs don't hear about it they cannot fix it

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tassbur:

this is because i make that suggest

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justinh:

so use a different app to scan & compare the frequencies with those in dtv_multiplex

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tassbur:

they are the same

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tassbur:

i check that

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justinh:

so it must be something else wrong then

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justinh:

maybe tuning parameters

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justinh:

e.g. using auto when it could be using something else

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justinh:

or maybe kaffeine uses auto when mythtv does something else

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justinh:

see, without further information we're all just shooting into the dark

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tassbur:

what do you want?

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justinh:

I can't debug the problem for you

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Cool_C:

hello folks. when editing meta data there is an option for unique player comand for the file. is there a way (any variable) to specify the default command PLUS whatever i write there. so, i want to enter for example, $defaultcommand -aid 1

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tassbur:

no

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tassbur:

i say, what logs do you need?

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justinh:

you need to look at more parameters & see what, if anything, mythtv is doing differently

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tassbur:

what can i see?

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justinh:

well, femon can report what parameters are used I think

[10:39:00]

justinh:

Cool_C: no, and external players are going byebyes soon

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tassbur:

femon says signal strengh: the same / BER / UNC / CARRIER LOCK

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Cool_C:

hmm, better not upgrade then :)

[10:40:55]

Cool_C:

the internal suck compared to mplayer

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justinh:

why?

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justinh:

if you have problems with the internal player REPORT THEM

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justinh:

problems which don't get reported DO NOT GET FIXED :)

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Cool_C:

well, seem slower, with less options and cant handle as many file formats

[10:42:09]

Cool_C:

i may be outdated in my experience though, havent tried it in a while

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bjd:

I find the internal player more than adequate

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justinh:

internal player can handle as many formats as ffmpeg can at the time it was last synced into mythtv's code

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GreyFoxx:

the internal player rocks and it's nice having a consistant interface/osd/remote commands

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justinh:

which is a *lot* of formats

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justinh:

and if it's slower than some other player maybe you have it configured wrongly

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justinh:

:)

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Cool_C:

for example, with the internal player, can i specify different audio channel / language when a file has multiple?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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justinh:

it'll always try to play one labelled with the language preference you've set but you can ask it to use a different one

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GreyFoxx:

Just bring up the onscreen menu, and select the audio track you want

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Cool_C:

ok

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justinh:

tassbur: I think looking at the other parameters in dtv_multiplex might help

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justinh:

try to compare those with whatever other apps use – not just the frequency

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tassbur:

that's what i didn't see, the other parameter of the table, i assume it would be fine

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beadle:

certain shows, like FOX's Fringe, have inserted frames that seem to mess up "All Commercial Skip Methods" plus "Strict Commercial Detection". I unclicked Strict and re-ran the remove_commercials script and the result file is much larger but haven't reviewed it yet. Are there any other suggestions to handle this?

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justinh:

tassbur: when I said mythtv isn't doing anything differently to other apps I meant with regard to playback. It seems there *may* be differences in how mythtv is tuning the dvb streams – and that's why you should look at the tuning parameters in dtv_multiplex

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justinh:

tassbur: by the way did you scan entirely in mythtv or did you import a .conf file from a different program?

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tassbur:

justinh: if i scan enterely i didn't find any channel

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tassbur:

later i import a channels.conf

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tassbur:

and i don't have epg

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tassbur:

so later i would be back to scan, but at this time, multiplex by multiplex

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tassbur:

well, in that case i have epg but i can't see anything

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tassbur:

and the last was. scan with one card (hvr-4000), dvb-t

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tassbur:

and assing the same source to the other card (td-500), to the 2 adapters

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tassbur:

the first time i did this, works fantastic

[12:15:17]

tassbur:

but, an update, and all go to.......

[12:16:46]

tassbur:

and when i did the same procedure, nothing change at all

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tassbur:

i didn't see anything

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tassbur:

kaffeine was, simply, one prove for someone desperate

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justinh:

what sort of dvb is this btw? dvb-t? dvb-s?

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tassbur:

dvb-t

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justinh:

wha? autowidth never made it?

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justinh:

duh yeah it did.

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johnnyj:

i tried to find this on the list but I didn't see it – when running the FE on my MBE I see this in the logs: Failed to create OpenGL painter. Check your OpenGL installation.

[12:44:44]

justinh:

probably haven't got the right video card driver installed

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johnnyj:

im using nvidia's 195.36.24 and i've got nVidia Corporation C77 [GeForce 8300] (rev a2)

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johnnyj:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-195.36.24.html indicates it's supported

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johnnyj:

hmm...

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justinh:

what you've installed & what you're *using* can be 2 entirely different things

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tassbur:

justinh: thanks for your advices, see you later

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wagnerrp:

anyone here know their way around makefiles?

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JEDIDIAH__:

does mythtv pay any attention to return codes from the channel change script?

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wagnerrp:

only for success or failure

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JEDIDIAH__:

well that would be the idea

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JEDIDIAH__:

nonzero for failure?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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JEDIDIAH__:

thx

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wagnerrp:

is this guy just trying to stir up trouble? http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-May/289418.html

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justinh:

and slowly but surely, he starts to understand <minsize>

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justinh:

rats! I DID lose a recording in the crash after all

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justinh:

but it was the 3D episode of Chuck. lol

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wagnerrp:

in sweet glorious blurr-o-vision

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justinh:

Chuck vs the anaglyphs

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Essobi:

that doens't sound good

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justinh:

I'd already watched/deleted it 1st time around. it was in-progress when the power went out

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justinh:

oh man, mythui is sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

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wagnerrp:

ui? or osd?

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justinh:

it was funny last night when I pressed info to bring up the menu to delete a show & didn't get the menu

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justinh:

I was like "whut? who the f..." then I remembered

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wagnerrp:

thats right... you just recently upgraded from 0.21

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justinh:

yeah who the ...ahem. me, that's who. lol

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justinh:

wagnerrp: not seen mythui osd yet

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justinh:

I've enough to keep me busy getting 'concept' to a state where we can use it at home before I play with trunk again

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wagnerrp:

didnt you write some crap for the new UI? i didnt understand how you had never seen it

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justinh:

oh I'd seen it, but there was stuff I wanted but never got working in my code bashing

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wagnerrp:

all the opengl animation stuff, that wasnt done on trunk/0.22?

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justinh:

yeah

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justinh:

and it's still waiting in the wings

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justinh:

and it's not animation as such... it was only beginning to flesh out painter effects

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wagnerrp:

this is just the first time youre actually sitting down to use the new UI?

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justinh:

not just use it. theme it :)

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wagnerrp:

ah! theres the difference

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justinh:

I like arclight but my wife doesn't

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justinh:

and mythbuntu c... t... of...

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justinh:

the rest either have horizontal menus my wife hates, or else doesn't like the colour of

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justinh:

so I figure rather than spend time customising something, pick up where I left off with 'concept' – which was kind of my plan all along – I just needed motivation. and nothing motivates like not having something you want

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justinh:

and since the <minsize> tag came along I can take it more or less where I always wanted to go with it

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justinh:

I might even find time to patch mythbuntu's theme to make netvision-ui.xml wide aspect proper. seems all bunched up

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: forget an 'h' there?

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Dibblah:

I can has slidey animation? ;) ;)

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justinh:

Dibblah: I wishes

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GreyFoxx:

Sure you can .... just have it slide within a long image with plenty of transparent space :)

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GreyFoxx:

same static image size and location, it just looks like it slid over :)

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mcl0vin:

good morning folks

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mcl0vin:

i have a quick question

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mcl0vin:

my audio is all at left channel , i tried 2 different out put in my PC

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mcl0vin:

the way i am getting audio is from STB RCA to 3.5mm going into my capture card Audio in ...any help please

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wagnerrp:

push the 3.5mm plug in all the way

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Beirdo:

mcl0vin: you sure your capture card has stereo input?

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Beirdo:

if so, you sure you have a stereo plug hooked up to it...

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: its all the way in

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mcl0vin:

Beirdo: i will have to check on that ...it is a Hauppage WintTV-HVR-1600

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Beirdo:

OK, it should be stereo, I'd think. some older ones only had mono, but that's recent hardware

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Beirdo:

but check the plug itself just in case :)

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Beirdo:

other than that, it might be a playback mixer thing (balance all the way to the left, perhaps?)

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mcl0vin:

let me check

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Beirdo:

mmm, coffee

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: my new TV is in Seattle according to Fedex :) YAY

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mcl0vin:

btw my kido love the fact that he can watch clifford the big red dog over and over again

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mcl0vin:

^^thanks to mythtv :)

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Beirdo:

shipped overnight from Phoenix

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Beirdo:

Amazon++

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mcl0vin:

it was the cable

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mcl0vin:

good thing i had another one

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mcl0vin:

okay doky i have 2 more questions and i think my box will be working at rate of 100%

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mcl0vin:

:)

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Beirdo:

cool

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mcl0vin:

i have mounted a new 80GB HDD to my mythbox at '/storage', i would like to use it for LiveTV, and Recordings...i don't know how to do that! can someone please show me how?

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Beirdo:

sometimes it's the most "obvious" things

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mcl0vin:

so do i just 'mkdir /storage/livetv' and use that path?

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mcl0vin:

or link '/var/lib/mythv/livetv' to /storage/livetv

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Beirdo:

well, I gotta head to work. I'll let wagnerrp help :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

let me help? i was in the car driving

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wagnerrp:

mcl0vin: you can record things where ever you want

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wagnerrp:

you just have to tell mythtv where that path is

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mcl0vin:

ok

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wagnerrp:

of course IMHO, people how store everything and the kitchen sink in /var are _wrong_

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mcl0vin:

why?

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wagnerrp:

because /var is for variable files, stuff thats supposed to change continually during operation of the system

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wagnerrp:

recordings are recorded once, and then left there indefinitely

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wagnerrp:

there used to be a time when you only allocated a couple hundred MB to var

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wagnerrp:

and if you ever exceeded that, its because you didnt set up logrotate

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GreyFoxx:

yeah. I don't know where the current trend of storing everything, sql data, general storage and so on in /var came from

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GreyFoxx:

use to be pid runs, pipes, dhcp leaes files, lock files and logs. nothing elese

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iamlindoro:

/home was already filled up with porn

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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johnnyj:

was it porn or .porn ?

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johnnyj:

i prefer the term: .stuff

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wagnerrp:

because its hidden?

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johnnyj:

i'm just being silly

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johnnyj:

but yeah

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: ++ . I hate that distros put too much junk in /var that shouldn't be there.

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justinh:

muhhhhh /var is variable data, yada yada. I don't go for that either

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justinh:

anyway I don't want my database or config stuff to be variable. I want it to stay put ;)

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justinh:

sigh. I have about a zillion popups to customise

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justinh:

thank $deity for inheritance eh

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wagnerrp:

so... jedidiah already has a user account on the wiki, so this 'jedidia13' is not him

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wagnerrp:

i give 3:1 for spam from that in the next 4 hours

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mcl0vin:

how do i get mythtv control my STB

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johnnyj:

what's your STB ?

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johnnyj:

i use Firewire on my Motorola DCX-3200

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johnnyj:

others use an IR blaster – either way call an external channel change script

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** justinh uses mythtelekenesis **

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johnnyj:

justinh – i was using that, but it's no longer supported on my older hardware

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iamlindoro:

oh, look, me is back

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** johnnyj is reading a history of C++ **

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J-e-f-f-A:

HA! /me just saw Google's home page today... ;-) Let it sit there without doing anything for about 30 seconds and see/listen what happens... neat!

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Jay2k1:

yeah, it's great

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J-e-f-f-A:

Makes me want to put that MAME box together this weekend... ;-)

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johnnyj:

a friend of mine has the giant controller and I've an old tube tv – we've been threatening it for a while

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J-e-f-f-A:

johnnyj: Hehehe... I recently acquired a full-size arcade cabinet (empty) for free, and a 22" CRT monitor free also... And over the last 8 years or so I've occasionally ordered Joysticks, Buttons, Track Balls, etc... Just need to 'assemble' it all into a working unit... ;-)

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johnnyj:

we're in an Apt and my other half was adamant that this beast NOT be coming to our home

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J-e-f-f-A:

johnnyj: :-(

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sphery:

heh, "I am curious what everyones take on Google TV is. To me it sounds very intriguing especially the part about getting rid of the EPG completely and relying solely on searching for channels and shows." Yeah, because it's easy to search for things that you don't know about.

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justinh:

my take is that it's a google ui to overlay crap on top of live video from a set top box

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

how else can they charge for ads on TV

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justinh:

quick Q about MNV.. is it all like other plugins – per frontend scripts & so on?

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean?

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justinh:

I mean if I scanned for stuff on my backend's frontend today will it show up on the frontend?

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justinh:

another machine, I mean

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iamlindoro:

Shared subscriptions only need to be scanned on a single machine

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iamlindoro:

the tree items are not identified by hot, only by source name

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iamlindoro:

er by host

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iamlindoro:

so if you subscribe to the same feeds on both, only one will need to update them

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justinh:

cool. answers my question very well ta :)

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iamlindoro:

np

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wagnerrp:

took me too long to check that the tables had no 'hostname' field...

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wagnerrp:

probably helps to have written them

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iamlindoro:

true

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iamlindoro:

ideally by .24 tree updating will be done in a mythfilldatabase-esque manner, though the exact mechanism for that remains indeterminate

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iamlindoro:

or rather, up for a currently raging debate

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

I love duhmocracy

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justinh:

CBA to get samba working yet so just ftp'd some images to my webspace to put on the linux machine to try theme ideas

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** iamlindoro grumbles and does his wiki cleanup on aisle three **

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** wagnerrp goes back to writing an automated tester for the bindings **

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iamlindoro:

ooh, regression testing? I like

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** wagnerrp is a dirty coder with lots of regressions **

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iamlindoro:

We all are

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johnnyj:

since it's almost on topic – do any of y'all read any C++ blogs of note?

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ivor_:

johnnyj: nothing specific but read this today: http://blog.think-async.com/2010/04/bind-illustrated.html

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hume:

hello.... I have a newly installed mythfrontend that has trobles starting – ubuntu 10.04. according to the log, it tries to mount /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc, /dev/sdd... why does it do this? there is only /dev/sda on the frontend....? can I stop this?

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iamlindoro:

hume: That doesn't sound like anything to do with myth? Which log are you reading? Sounds like a distro issue

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hume:

mythtv mythfrontend.log. it's an ubuntu in which i installed the mythbuntu-desktop packabe

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hume:

package

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hume:

i mean /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log

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iamlindoro:

please pastebin the frontend logs

[19:20:05]

iamlindoro:

We'll also need to know what "troubles starting" means

[19:20:21]

iamlindoro:

crashes? hangs? Smoke?

[19:20:58]

hume:

no, it has troubles starting mythtv..:) I try to start myth from the menu, and it takes like 4 minutes before it starts...

[19:21:14]

iamlindoro:

Need logs

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hume:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/wHa081x9

[19:21:41]

iamlindoro:

No, not just a few lines of logs, the whole thing

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markl:

hmm maybe it is slow connecting to mysql; my system has a similar (but luckily shorter) issue

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iamlindoro:

Doubtful

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iamlindoro:

the timestamps are increasing by 30 seconds on the mount

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iamlindoro:

I already have a workaround for him, just want complete logs first

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hume:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/7AteCH3C

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iamlindoro:

hume: Turn off media monitoring in Utilities/Setup->Setup->General

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hume:

ok

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iamlindoro:

After that, having nothing to do with the delayed startup, you should really enable mythtv package auto-builds with the package here: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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iamlindoro:

select ".23" when asked

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iamlindoro:

Because the packages that came with 10.04 are not actually .23, they are a very very old prerelease

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iamlindoro:

and many critical bugs have since been fixed

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hume:

ok

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hume:

ehm.... seems i did something stupid now.....I choose another theme, the A- something... and now mythtv crashes on startup. how can I manually change theme from outside of mythtv? in the database or in a file on frontend?

[19:31:08]

sphery:

hume: mythfrontend -O Theme=MythCenter

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hume:

ok

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sphery:

hume: then go to Utilties/Setup|Setup|Appearance and change it to whatever you want (even MythCenter), then Next through to Finish

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sphery:

hume: then restart mythfrontend

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sphery:

last step being critical

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sphery:

You won't see a change until you restart since you're using a session override

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hume:

ok

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lapion:

Sphery the problem gets solved by simply turning off Browse mode. Maybe someone can try to veryify this by turning on the option ?

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iamlindoro:

It's probably not related to the theme, but to one of the critical bugs I was referring to

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lapion:

sphery, I was talking about the keyboard freeze when editing channel, after switching channel bug

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sphery:

lapion: right, adding that info to the ticket would make it much easier for someone to debug

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justinh:

oh, it SO is caipirihna time

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Moot with -osd merge coming

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** wagnerrp is glad he decided _not_ to stick with trunk this cycle **

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sphery:

unless the issue is not related to the OSD

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justinh:

I was tempted, just to pick up iplayer support in MNV

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jheizer:

Hey all

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jheizer:

Does anyone have a HVR-950 usb stick tuner?

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wagnerrp:

950 or 950Q?

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wagnerrp:

(i dont have either, but theyre very different)

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jheizer:

newegg says 950, but pics say 950q so not sure

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jheizer:

was interested if the remote receiver was built in or a separate receiver

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jheizer:

can't imaging it is RF, but don't see a receiver on the tuner itself unless the cable on the left here is it

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jheizer:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.as . . . %20Interface

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jheizer:

just looks like a capped extension cable to me though

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jheizer:

Going to be an upgrade for my Dad's htpc thats just does hulu right now

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jheizer:

he already has a remote and a mini KB, and I need another IR receiver

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jheizer:

has a mini itx board so not sure it is has a single pci or pcie

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jheizer:

why going usb

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justinh:

eew tearing video in MNV :-(

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justinh:

stupid flash. ARGHHH I HATE FLASH!

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RDV_Linux:

justdave: Are you clicking on the full screen flash player button?

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justinh:

clicking?

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RDV_Linux:

justinh: Yes some videos start as Web pages and you can click in the flash window to get full screen rather than full browser window. The "full screen" playback often tears while full browser is ok to very good.

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RDV_Linux:

justinh: The tearing is often site/connection dependant.

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justinh:

nah this is flash sucking on intel video

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wagnerrp:

so when you find a bug is still occuring, obviously you have to update each and every duplicate ticket with identical information

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justinh:

RDV_Linux: on intel video hardware, almost without exception flash video tears when played by adobe software

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Is that ^^^ a new rule?

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RDV_Linux:

justinh: To bad.

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justinh:

they know about it apparently. they just don't seem to care much

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: referring to recent trac traffic

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mcl0vin:

[ 13.636653] tveeprom 1–0050: has no radio, has IR receiver, has IR transmitter

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mcl0vin:

i have compiled lric_0.8.6 and 0.8.7perl

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mcl0vin:

but still can't get my remote to work

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olskolirc:

I had a really cool page from mythtv.org on how to set it up from beginning to end

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olskolirc:

can someone find that for me please?

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olskolirc:

I had a really cool page from mythtv.org on how to set it up from beginning to end

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