Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, May 17th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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RDV_Linux:

mzb: looking now

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mzb:

thanks

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mcl0vin:

now when i try to watch live tv, i get this error "Error:MythTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?"

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wagnerrp:

mcl0vin: that means your backend is not configured correctly

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wagnerrp:

see your backend logs for more information

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: i am looking at it as we speak , but i still didn't build that troubleshooting skill with MythTV

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RDV_Linux:

mzb: You are using "Miro Bridge version v0.5.7" with Miro v3.0.1, only with Mirobridge v0.5.8 and higher supports Miro 3.x

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mzb:

doh!

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mzb:

ok, thanks

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RDV_Linux:

mzb: I also suspect that you may have a hung python process or more. You will have to kill those

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** mzb announces to the females that the system is going to be updated _NOW_ **

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mzb:

I do have a permanently running python process, but nothing seems to be hung

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mzb:

(for pywii wii remote)

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mzb:

updating now

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RDV_Linux:

mzb: It would either be mirobride or democracy which is Miro's processing name

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mzb:

k

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mzb:

nope

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RDV_Linux:

mzb: Sometimes you get a hung process sometimes not it all depends on where the issues happens when MiroBridge is interacting with the Miro BE

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mzb:

# pgrep "miro|demo|py"

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mzb:

#

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mzb:

this *could* be further confused by running on Debian Squeeze

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** mzb trots downstairs to watch the paint drying in his little white room while mythtv rebuilds **

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mcl0vin:

2010-05–16 13:44:11.421 Backend exiting, MainServer initialization error.Error in my_thread_global_end(): 1 threads didn't exit

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mcl0vin:

2010-05–16 13:44:19.545 Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting.

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iamlindoro:

So you're trying to start an instance of the backend with another instance running

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[R]:

if i know the tv db id of something... and mythvideo doesnt want to play nicely... how do i make it use that particular id? i tried usnig jamu but that was a fail too

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mcl0vin:

iamlindoro: well it asked me if i want to shutdown the BE and i said yes

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mcl0vin:

i think its time to restart the box

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iamlindoro:

mcl0vin, You are talking about mythbuntu stuff, we never ask to shut down the backend

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iamlindoro:

So you'd have to ask them about their random script voodoo

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RDV_Linux:

[R]: Through Mythvideo you can edit the meta data an input the proper reference number that way.

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[R]:

RDV_Linux: i tried that, it also didn't work for some reason

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[R]:

i went to "Manually Enter Video #"

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RDV_Linux:

[R]: What version of MythTV are you using?

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[R]:

23 fixees

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achew22:

I'm trying to use scte65scan and I have a couple of questions. I have generated the vct.sql file and I'm getting ready to import it. are you supposed to create a video source for the scte program?

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[R]:

http://thetvdb.com/?tab=episode&seriesid= . . . 28&lid=7

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[R]:

2010-05–16 17:24:57.627 Video Data Query: Executing "'/usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/Television/ttvdb.py' -l en -D 333128 1 0"

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[R]:

that's what i get from the frontend log

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[R]:

yet i see no metadata

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iamlindoro:

because there is no season 1 episode 0

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RDV_Linux:

[R]: ^^^

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[R]:

hrm

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[R]:

that did it

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[R]:

no, that didnt

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RDV_Linux:

[R]: I would suspect that your file naming convention for TV shows is not supported by Mythvideo or Jamu

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[R]:

now it picked up the real season 1 episode 1

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[R]:

this isn't really an episode

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RDV_Linux:

See the wiki for the supported video file naming convention

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[R]:

its under "special" season on tv db

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RDV_Linux:

[R]: Specials in TVDB are all season 0

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[R]:

season 0... ah

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[R]:

still not working

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[R]:

hrm

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RDV_Linux:

[R]: Check that TVDB has the special you are expecting plus confirm the season and episode numbers

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[R]:

oh wait, i forgot to fix the ep num

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[R]:

its season 0 ep 1

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[R]:

that did it

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iamlindoro:

!seen kormoc

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MythLogBot:

kormoc was last seen 25 days 8 minutes 57 seconds ago

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iamlindoro:

heh

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wagnerrp:

hey, the other guy has stopped

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hey, Nixon's bot is gone... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

^^ hehehehe

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iamlindoro:

no, he's just not here

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iamlindoro:

!seen iamlindoro

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MythLogBot:

iamlindoro is here and has been idle for 5 seconds

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wagnerrp:

no, hes here

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs... ;-) **

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iamlindoro:

but you're right, he turned it off

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iamlindoro:

previously you had to seen a person whowas present to get a response

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mzb:

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iamlindoro:

sounds like you have your own patch applied

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iamlindoro:

so you need to keep up with commits if you're using trunk

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iamlindoro:

Which actually had special instructions on how to update your patches ;)

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wagnerrp:

or switch to the event system sooner than planned?

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mzb:

don't think I've changed it

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biffhero:

live TV, frontend log: "AFD Error: Could not find codec parameters" — have to restart myth to be able to view anything else.

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mzb:

:) hehe

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iamlindoro:

don't think you've changed what?

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iamlindoro:

Your patch is based on using mythcontext, and mythcontext no longer works the same way, so you need to keep up with commits to know how to adjust, or just don't run trunk

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mzb:

ah ... no, status=M

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mzb:

yeah wagnerrp, you're dead right .... pre-post commands

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mzb:

forgot all about that

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mzb:

iamlindoro: my X10 stuff is currently unplugged ... so my pre-post hack isn't required atm

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mzb:

I'll get around to using events later

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biffhero:

wny would livetv playback not work in myth, but work in mplayer from the same system?

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mzb:

your logs might tell you

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biffhero:

MZB: thanks. mythfrontend.log has the following: AFD Error: Could not find codec parameters. file was "/var/lib/mythtv/livetv/1003_20100516174048.mpg"

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biffhero:

I installed mplayer to make sure it wasn't an access or a backend issue.

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biffhero:

and after that error, I am not able to play any prior TV recordings, nor any .isos which would previously work. Restarting mythfrontend fixes ISOs and recordings.

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mzb:

there are probably more issues than that single line (wild guess) ... try pasting (see the topic) your logs for that entire time period

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mzb:

then again, somebody else here might actually be familiar with that error ;)

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biffhero:

K

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biffhero:

pastebin.ca

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biffhero:

ugh.

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biffhero:

site not coming up.

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biffhero:

better url in the topic than on the wiki

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biffhero:

AFD error while watchign live TV http://mythtv.pastebin.com/Qr2iQPj4

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[R]:

biffhero: does recordings work?

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[R]:

what is the error in the backend log

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biffhero:

[R]: yes, the .mpg file on the backend is OK.

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[R]:

biffhero: huh?

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biffhero:

I can open up an xterm and 'mplayer' it just fine. I will go 2xcheck for errors on the backend right now.

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biffhero:

oh, you mean, "Can I watch recordings?"

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[R]:

no

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[R]:

can you make a recording

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psm321:

hmm, as of 2 or 3 days ago i could still get a lock on my comcast qam channels but most were encrypted (and some were still fine)... today, no lock at all on any channels (!!)

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[R]:

psm321: sounds liek they encrypted them

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biffhero:

I haven't tried to make a recording, the verification that I have done was to go look in /var/lib/mythtv/livetv/ and use mplayer on the .mpg file that my capture card was putting there, but I will try to make a recording right now. thanks for the idea.

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[R]:

what mpg file?

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biffhero:

when I try to watch live tv, the backend starts dropping a file in /var/lib/mythtv/livetv/

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biffhero:

We have a playbackURL(/var/lib/mythtv/livetv/1003_20100516180507.mpg) & cardtype(MPEG)

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biffhero:

that was from my logs, also at http://mythtv.pastebin.com/Qr2iQPj4

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[R]:

ok, so the backend is actually recording

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biffhero:

yes, it is.

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[R]:

so back to

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[R]:

[06:09:10] [R] what is the error in the backend log

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biffhero:

Checking...

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psm321:

[R]: that was what happened 2 days ago... i dont think any of the encryption standards actually include encrypting the headers and such you'd need to tune into the stream

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[R]:

psm321: huh?

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psm321:

heh n/m... it's only a problem with one of my 2 identical tuners, must be having issues

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achew22:

has anyone had issues with vdpau in lucid? I installed nvidia-current and it didn't seem to turn on VDPAU at all. It is also running REALLY slow (2fps or lower on just drawing things). Does anyone have any ideas on whats going on?

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psm321:

[R]: so, with encrypted channels, I can tune them, just can't see anything (mythtv's OSD says "LAM" and then "LAMc"). With the problem i'm having wih the one tuner, it never gets to "L"

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[R]:

sounds like bad hardware then

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[R]:

achew22: there is no "on" switch for vdpau aside from enabling the proper display profile

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psm321:

[R]: yeah, that or more likely just stuck in a bad state... my ivtv cards get stuck in a bad state every once in a while, this is the first time i've had this sort of thing from a dvb card

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achew22:

[R]: and VDPAU slim is the most kind of the VDPAU profiles?

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biffhero:

[R] the backend logs from attempting to watch live tv are at http://pastebin.com/KsWuvbzJ I wonder if there's something there on line 32, where the back end doesn't tell the front end what sort of decoding to do.

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[R]:

achew22: most kind?

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achew22:

there are 3 vdpau profiles. I assume slim does something that makes it easier for weaker video cards to draw properly?

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[R]:

slim enables the crappiest deinterlacer

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[R]:

biffhero: i see no errors there

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[R]:

biffhero: and if you do make a recording, and then try to watch it... does ti work?

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biffhero:

the livetv recordings (run mplayer on /var/lib/mythtv/livetv/.....) were working properly earlier today.

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biffhero:

checking one now. the last one expired already.

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wagnerrp:

achew22: what video card do you have?

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[R]:

biffhero: what does mplayer have to do with antyhing

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[R]:

biffhero: does it work in myth

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biffhero:

yes, was able to watch it fine. I will go make a recording now, rather than watch live tv

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achew22:

[R]: 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150] (rev a2) which I was using in Karmic with VDPAU

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biffhero:

and yes, I am able to watch a recording of a currently being recording TV show

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wagnerrp:

no you werent

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wagnerrp:

achew22: i dont know where you got the idea that you were using VDPAU, but that chip does not support it

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[R]:

biffhero: weird... livetv is a little flaky at times

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achew22:

wagnerrp: I disagree. http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_185.18.31.html on the supported products page it has under GeForce 6 series 6150

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biffhero:

[R] : thanks for the help

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wagnerrp:

achew22: the current set of drivers support that chip, but that chip does not support VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

trust me on this one

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biffhero:

[R] this gives me a good excuse to get a acer revo 3610. :-)

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iamlindoro:

achew22, your card has no VDPAU support

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biffhero:

wagnerrp: does the acer revo 3610 support VDPAU ?

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iamlindoro:

it is as wagnerrp says

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[R]:

biffhero: not really sure why... but ok

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wagnerrp:

biffhero: if that is one of those ION systems, yes

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iamlindoro:

The earliest cards that support VDPAU are GeForce 8xxx series

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iamlindoro:

and not even all of them

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achew22:

iamlindoro: If you could please go to http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_185.18.31.html and look at the section titled "GeForce 6 series"

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wagnerrp:

achew22: youre wrong

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iamlindoro:

achew22, Which tells you that the card is suported by the driver

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iamlindoro:

The driver supports it. That does *not* give your card VDPAU capability

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biffhero:

wagnerrp: yes, it has an ION in it.

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wagnerrp:

achew22: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . E/README.txt

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iamlindoro:

achew22, http://uk.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-h.html lists the chipsets which support VDPAU. Those chipsets were first introduced two generations after your card.

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wagnerrp:

scroll down to appendix A, and it will tell you what supports VDPAU

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iamlindoro:

three if you want to be picky

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mcl0vin:

how do i get audio

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[R]:

mcl0vin: "get" it from what?

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mcl0vin:

[R]: frm cbl box

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[R]:

mcl0vin: we arne't on twitter... speak in words

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mcl0vin:

[R]: hhahahah, ok. i ve my cbl box, and running s-video to my WinTv-HVR-1600

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[R]:

your 1600 also has sound in

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Captain_Murdoch:

can somebody run a "mythbackend -v help" with 0.22, 0.23, or trunk and tell me whether the "-v" args in the list are printed in quotes or not?

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iamlindoro:

yes, in quotes

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iamlindoro:

though all padded to the same width

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Captain_Murdoch:

that's a qt4 issue then. thanks.

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iamlindoro:

np

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Captain_Murdoch:

wanted to verify it wasn't something with a patch I'm working on since I couldn't findanything wrong with the patch.

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Captain_Murdoch:

guess I'll try to fix that as part of the patch.

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mcl0vin:

[R]: but i don't know how to get it to work, where can i get the audio from cbl box, no out put except 1 RCA'Red,Yellow,while"

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[R]:

mcl0vin: you need an rca to 3.5mm adapter

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mcl0vin:

[R]: i have it , and i have it connected , but where do you get the output

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[R]:

huh?

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elfMobile:

so my mythtv box is no more... kept freezing last week and today it won't turn on without the mothboard saying "cpu failure" out of the speakers. Debating whether I should fix it or just get a DVR from the cable company so I can DVR HD stuff

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[R]:

elfMobile: you can do hd with myth

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elfMobile:

[R], yeah... but I would basically need a whole new computer. All I have is a Hauppauge dual tuner card and a busted Pentium 4 machine

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elfMobile:

[R], can I record more than OTA channels on Myth?

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[R]:

elfMobile: depends on what your cable company provides unencrypted

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[R]:

you can also use an hdpvr and an hd cable box

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clop2:

for a combine fe+be machine, does 2gb sound too little?

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[R]:

clop2: 2gb?

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clop2:

(i'm thinking of replacing my current fe/be with a new i3, but my old ram isn't compatible)

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clop2:

2gb of ram

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clop2:

ideally it could record 2 hd shows (off the hdhomerun) and do commercial flagging inline with recording

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jamesd_:

wouldn't be one of those low budget quad core amd do a better job... cheaper and quad core so you can do more transcoding on it without breaking a sweat.

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[R]:

i have an hdpvr and a qam tuner and comm flag up to 3 things at once

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[R]:

and i have 2gb

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[R]:

but i have a dedicated backend

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[R]:

depending on how you plan on watching the videos, the frontend doenst really use too much ram

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clop2:

jamesd_, hrmn, i haven't really looked at amd stuff yet, i should probably do that

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[R]:

but then again... i have 2gb on my dedicated frontend

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clop2:

[R], does the frontend memory affect the backend somehow?

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[R]:

huh?

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jamesd_:

sub $100 quad core.. kinda of hard to by pass and if you want to do some virtualization the amd come with the virt extensions even on low budget chips.

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[R]:

what do you mean "the fronteend memroy"

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clop2:

[R], ah nm, i see, you're just saying that you can commflag 3 things but maybe that's because you aren't using that machine as a frontend and hence don't need memory for the playback

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wagnerrp:

virtualization... what for?

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achew22:

iamlindoro: wagnerrp: Sorry. I'm working on a box that has sat at my Dad's house for 2 years without a fresh reinstall. The hardware details are far from my memory. I was using XvMC and I remembered distinctly that the CPU couldn't decode. I have the same situation at my appt. but I have a NVIDIA 9600 in my frontend (it has VDPAU). I got so caught up in needing VDPAU because thats where all my decoding problems have been lately th

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achew22:

at I forgot that I wasn't using VDPAU here. Thanks for telling me to shut up.

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jamesd_:

i thought it was going to get better when i ordered my t6400 intel based laptop, but no virt extensions... it really hasn't blown me away for being a newer chip at the time...

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wagnerrp:

achew22: to be honest, you probably dont want to be using xvmc either

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wagnerrp:

there has been debate whether or not that will be supported at all in 0.24

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achew22:

I'm getting him a nettop with ION for his birthday and thats in a few months. I bet that 0.24 wont be out before then

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wagnerrp:

planned for a couple months

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achew22:

Then I'll get it for him early :-)

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mzb:

RDV_Linux: looking better: http://openpaste.org/en/21628/

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achew22:

does anyone have any experience with ION? Are they able to decode 1080i/720p without too much trouble?

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[R]:

vdpau is made for 1080p

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achew22:

and all ION's support VDPAU?

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[R]:

the definition of ion is an nvidia 9400m

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[R]:

which does

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achew22:

Nifty

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clop2:

how is the power usage on those quad core amds?

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achew22:

is it worth looking at whatever AMD has that is in competition to the ION?

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wagnerrp:

AMD has no competition with the ION

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achew22:

Intel?

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iamlindoro:

ION *is* Intel

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achew22:

I thought ION was nvidia?

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wagnerrp:

ION = Atom + 9400M

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iamlindoro:

Ion is an Intel Atom processor and nVidia 9400

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achew22:

yeah but does intel have any competing IGPs?

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wagnerrp:

none of any real worth

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achew22:

So ION or bust then

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wagnerrp:

do they even have enough power to run the opengl painter?

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[R]:

HAHA

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[R]:

achew22: some people say software decoding is better than hardware decoding

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sphery:

and AMD has explicitly stated that there's no reason to design a CPU that trades performance for power usage when you can get similar overall system power usage with a real CPU

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[R]:

a real cpu... THAT's what she said

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[R]:

HAHA

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clop2:

achew22, for a desktop it seems like an i3 is better than an atom... similar idle power usage but much better performance

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wagnerrp:

[R]: the issue is that it is more robust and provides better support

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[R]:

what crazy person would use an atom for a desktop

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achew22:

Okay, so if I got a Acer Aspire Revo (the $199 one on Newegg I can provide a link) since it has an ION (9400m) then I can expect it to be able to handle TV without too much trouble?

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[R]:

achew22: it'll do mpeg2 and h264

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sphery:

[R]: s/ for a desktop//

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU supports some forms of h264, but i know of half a dozen settings that will all break playback on VDPAU

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[R]:

sphery: haha

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wagnerrp:

im sure VC1 and mpeg2 have similar limitations

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[R]:

good thing i havnet had any probelms yet

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** [R] hugs his ION **

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achew22:

[R]: do you use HDMI off of your ion?

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wagnerrp:

too many reference frames, strange B structures, certain macroblocks... VDPAU will choke on them all

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[R]:

achew22: of course

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[R]:

achew22: what else would i use? vga?

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achew22:

that was a prefacing question for "do you use hdmi audio out?"

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[R]:

nope, i have an audio receiver that i use optical audio with

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[R]:

but i've heard of tons of peple using hdmi audio out with ion

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achew22:

with good success?

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[R]:

well if tons are using it...

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[R]:

why would they be using it if it dindt work?

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achew22:

[R]: people used framegrabbers for years

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achew22:

that doesn't mean it worked well

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wagnerrp:

in case you need it, none of the current onboard nvidia chips have the older analog TV outputs

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[R]:

how does audio not work well

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[R]:

it either works or it doesnt

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wagnerrp:

composite/svideo/component

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wagnerrp:

and neither do any of the GT series of discrete cards

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achew22:

does anyone dualboot into windows for netflix on their ION?

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wagnerrp:

does silverlight use hardware acceleration? or does it choke on the atom too?

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clop2:

achew22, no but i have used hulu on a hp mini 311 atom/ion netbook and it is fine

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achew22:

wagnerrp: http://www.silverlight.net/getstarted/silverlight3/ I think so

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wagnerrp:

Hulu != silverlight

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achew22:

I don't actually know what version of silverlight is the current one

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achew22:

but it says on there "Leveraging graphics processor unit (GPU) hardware acceleration, Silverlight experiences can now be delivered in true full-screen HD (720p+)."

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Beirdo:

mmm, fresh radishes :)

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sphery:

Beirdo: Interested in one of my old TODO's (an nuvexport one--and since I don't use nuvexport...) ? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/349812#349812 + http://wizarth.livejournal.com/22582.html , specifically, it seems that the error message "Found $count files, but no matching database entries" is backwards (and it's $count DB entries and no files).

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sphery:

A quick look at the code seems to say that's the case, but I'd appreciate someone who knows nuvexport better looking at it.

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sphery:

In mythextras/nuvexport/mythtv/recordings.pm , BTW.

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mcl0vin:

[R]: this is the receiver that i am struggling with , i am using the RCA to 3.5mm from cbl to PC[winTV-HVR-1600] then from PC Audio-out to the back of the Yamaha RX-V461 DVR RCA

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[R]:

mcl0vin: and you can play normal audio from the computer? and if you play a recording with like mplayer, does ti have sound?

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mcl0vin:

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/Images/YEC/AV . . . _RX-V461.jpg

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mcl0vin:

yes

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mcl0vin:

but its all 1 channel

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[R]:

huh?

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bcgrown:

i have a script that launches mythfrontend when i push the power button on my remote, or kills the frontend if it's already running. sometimes, but not every time, it also kills mythwelcome. what am i doing wrong?

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bcgrown:

i noticed that the menu option uses "mythfrontend --service" is that the difference?

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bcgrown:

(XFCE menu option to launch MythTV|)

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend does not have a '--service' option

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bcgrown:

"Exec=mythfrontend --service" is what's being autostarted, that's what mythbuntu had by default

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wagnerrp:

thats because youre not actually running mythfrontend

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bcgrown:

oh?

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bcgrown:

what am i running?

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wagnerrp:

youre running some wrapper script they provide

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bcgrown:

aha.. i had no idea

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bcgrown:

i should try adding the service option to my script then

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea what the service option does

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bcgrown:

me either, but i know that when i use it, everything works properly :)

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bcgrown:

or not... that gives me a mythwelcome process for every button push

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bcgrown:

ooh, fixed it i think!

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: spend any more time on the recommendations thingy?

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wagnerrp:

i was running up against some issue where it would inexplicably repeat back shows i gave it

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wagnerrp:

but apparently that was a problem with their API, and should be fixed

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bcgrown:

saw that email. anything i can do to help yet?

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wagnerrp:

ive got what should be a basic, functional version written in python

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wagnerrp:

although i only have a basic shell of the plugin going

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wagnerrp:

havent messed with it since that mentioned API fix

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bcgrown:

cool

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bcgrown:

would it be difficult to automatically add recording schedules based on the recommendations?

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wagnerrp:

thats what it does

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wagnerrp:

it pulls a list of titles from current recordings and recording rules

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wagnerrp:

performs some basic transforms for SD titles to TV.com titles

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wagnerrp:

sends them off

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wagnerrp:

gets a list back

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wagnerrp:

orders it based off the score

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wagnerrp:

automatically schedules the top couple titles, by a user selectable amount

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wagnerrp:

supports blacklisting

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bcgrown:

very cool

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bcgrown:

where do i send the beer money? :)

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wagnerrp:

nowhere just yet

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wagnerrp:

this all banks on me being able to learn the UI code

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achew22:

does DVB-S work with DishNetwork / DirectTV in the us?

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wagnerrp:

no

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achew22:

So you have to go through a STB?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Beirdo:

bleh

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bcgrown:

Is there a solution for the CD ripping screen *never* updating the year field when it grabs metadata?

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Beirdo:

is there generally speaking any purpose to get a 120Hz refresh TV over a 60Hz one?

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wagnerrp:

threedee!

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Beirdo:

heh, like I care about THAT

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, Yes, it's a common multiple of 24, 30, and 60

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Beirdo:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

meaning at 120 mode it never has to do any sort of pulldown no matter the framerate

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wagnerrp:

if youve got something that will output at 24fps

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iamlindoro:

bcgrown, You writing code to add the capability would be a good start

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Beirdo:

yeah, that does make sense

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wagnerrp:

do DVD/BR players do so?

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iamlindoro:

yep

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iamlindoro:

As can myth

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bcgrown:

iamlindoro: woud if i could. not sure I understand why everything else gets filled except the yer

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bcgrown:

*year

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Beirdo:

I'm kinda considering a Sony or Panasonic 1080p / 60Hz LCD for starters (32")

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wagnerrp:

i know myth can, if you spend the time setting up the drivers to allow it to

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iamlindoro:

PS3 will do it too

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wagnerrp:

i lump that in with BR players

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iamlindoro:

yeah, just using it as an example

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Beirdo:

any pros/cons with Sony vs Panasonic? ;) I seem to remember both being quite good when looking in the stores

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Beirdo:

Sony Bravia, Panasonic Viera, BTW

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wagnerrp:

bleh...

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wagnerrp:

File '/trunk/mythtv/bindings/python/MythTV/MythFunc.py' is out of date

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wagnerrp:

and the database has changed, so i can no longer use the updated bindings on my 0.23 install

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achew22:

wagnerrp: you could run a 0.23-trunk install along side of a 0.23-fixes (on different ports) or in a VM or something maybe?

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wagnerrp:

yeah yeah...

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wagnerrp:

there is no 0.23-trunk... just trunk

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wagnerrp:

and that would mean i would actually have to have content in my trunk sandbox, which i currently dont

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** wagnerrp wrote the bindings that are now incompatible with his production system **

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achew22:

you could use miro bridge and import the RSS feed from your 0.23-fixes

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achew22:

actually I don't know if the rss in mythweb has support for embeded programs

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achew22:

hrm... my rss doesn't work in mythweb on 0.23-fixes

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wagnerrp:

or i could whip up a 3 minute python script, pickle off a couple recordings, perform the necessary updates, and import them plus a copy of the recording into my trunk jail

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wagnerrp:

nah, im just complaining needlessly

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achew22:

meh, whatever works for you

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achew22:

so the RSS is expecting there to be a file in modules/_shared/tmpl/rss/ but at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . shared/tmpl/ there doesn't seem to be an RSS folder. Is it somewhere else?

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iamlindoro:

RSS is broken in mythweb

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iamlindoro:

known issue

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achew22:

thats too bad :(

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achew22:

hrm... taking the "http://host/mythweb/rss/mythweb/tv/recorded" and turning it into "http://host/mythweb/rss/tv/recorded" got me a RSS feed. Is it just a problem with the link in the theme or is there something I'm missing?

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wagnerrp:

he left...

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iamlindoro:

The problem is that the proper fix is much more complicated and the mythweb maintainer doesn't want to add an ugly hack to fix it

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iamlindoro:

so it will remain broken pending his having time to fix it properly

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achew22:

is mythweb under heavy development currently?

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iamlindoro:

mythweb is under little development at all currently

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achew22:

just enough to keep it current with the DB?

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iamlindoro:

sometimes not even that

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achew22:

it is in PHP, right? does it use any of the bindings or is it running its own?

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wagnerrp:

there are no php bindings

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achew22:

so it just does direct to DB calls?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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achew22:

is that stable at all?

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wagnerrp:

considering its written by one core dev, and one DBA... probably

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achew22:

kormoc and xris?

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wagnerrp:

that was interesting

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wagnerrp:

netsplit within my ISP

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wagnerrp:

it was like everyone using the old bridged ciscos disconnected from the rest of the network

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wagnerrp:

i could ping my isp, i could ping other systems on the same internal net

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wagnerrp:

i couldnt ping the internet at large, or even their non-private address space

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achew22:

wagnerrp: is there any documentation about what the big problem with RSS is?

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wagnerrp:

no idea what the problem with mythweb/rss is

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achew22:

wagnerrp: what do you think of the python bindings in mythtv? Do you think they are reasonable? How do they compare with the perl bindings?

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wagnerrp:

oh, i think theyre awful

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[R]:

who rates these things

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[R]:

billy madison is most defintely not 1 star

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achew22:

wagnerrp: is that a serious response?

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** wagnerrp wrote the python bindings, so obviously not **

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achew22:

sorry, I was unaware

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

just found the question amusing

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achew22:

I can see from your perspective how that might be

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achew22:

I'm just looking around for things that can be improved

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wagnerrp:

the perl bindings could certainly be improved, if thats the kind of thing youre looking to do

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achew22:

I avoid perl like the plague...

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achew22:

which, interestingly, it is

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Beirdo:

bah

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wagnerrp:

write some ruby/php bindings?

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Beirdo:

heh, not yet

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wagnerrp:

lisp/cobol/bourne/fortran/....

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achew22:

I helped debug some code for NOAA that was written in Perl a few months ago and decided to take it off the list of languages I am going to learn

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Beirdo:

don't judge a language on someone else's crap code

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achew22:

if I want obscenely terse I will learn J

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Beirdo:

or the ancient Scottish martial art of "f u"

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wagnerrp:

the current python bindings evolved from a complaint that iamlindoro's 'export to mythvideo' patch blocked the UI

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achew22:

that sounds useful ;)

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wagnerrp:

one of those... 'if you think it could be done better that way, show me' kind of things

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achew22:

the idea of doing something like avg =: + / % # is pretty neat though

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Beirdo:

oh, so we have iamlindoro to blame :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

its an illness i get from my parents

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wagnerrp:

we had some old drafty windows in our kitchen

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wagnerrp:

so we replaced them with a 2-story $85k addition

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

good choice

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Beirdo:

I think the ashtray's full, better buy a new car, and it has to be faster too.

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wagnerrp:

hey, instead of replacing the windows, why dont we knock out this wall and expand a few feet onto the deck.... why not just extend all the way to the back of the deck... why not put on an extra guest bedroom while were at it....

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achew22:

so, will the python bindings be kept current for the foreseeable future?

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Beirdo:

all coulda likely been avoided with weatherstripping and/or some caulking :)

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

nah, they were original windows from the 1920s

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Beirdo:

ah

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wagnerrp:

they needed replacing

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Beirdo:

for sure

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achew22:

wagnerrp: do you have pydocs on it or anything like htat?

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Beirdo:

gah

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Python_bindings

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Beirdo:

documentation!?

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wagnerrp:

plus whatever is documented in the code itself

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xris:

wagnerrp: technically the new php stuff kormoc put into mythweb are "bindings"

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xris:

they're just not extracted quite enough yet

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hot_wheelz:

Hi can anyone help with this error failed to reinitialize video output with proprietary ati driver installed running MythTV 0.23 on Mythbuntu 10.04 works fine uninstalled (HD4550)

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[R]:

whats the frontend and backend los

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[R]:

logs*

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Existance0:

anyone around?

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[R]:

no

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Existance0:

:(

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achew22:

wagnerrp: do you have the python bindings available from easy_install or any of the online python repos?

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hot_wheelz:

problem solved i had to change the display when output (Res) in the ATI Catalyst Control Center first then it was fine

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hot_wheelz:

but is there a simple way to get\enable sound over HDMI

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xand:

got a cable from your sound card to the video card?

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hot_wheelz:

xand No Running hd audio on the mobo

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hot_wheelz:

xand one link says http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI#HDMI_with_sound another says http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=849720

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hot_wheelz:

what would u do?

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hot_wheelz:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonHD#HDMI%20Audio

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j-rod:

wagnerrp: I can handle what as I see fit now?

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j-rod:

J-e-f-f-A: I'm usually not actually watching irc on the weekend, but my proxy is logged in

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j-rod:

thus the idle for 9+ hours

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wagnerrp:

achew22: no, the python bindings ship with mythtv itself

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PennStateJoe74:

hello folks. i'm seeking some assistance with a myth install. i have haupagaue hd-pvr 1212 hooked up to ubuntu system. graphics card is nvidia 8800 gts. i record video successfully but when i try to watch live tv i get audio but no video.

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wagnerrp:

the HDPVR is plugged into the STB properly?

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PennStateJoe74:

yes. when i go to the livetv storage file – i can open the video files in mplayer without any trouble and they have audio and video

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PennStateJoe74:

when i have it enabled to display menu when first loading live tv, i do not get any picture in the little video preview box, but i get audio. guide works fine, but as soon as i select a channel, the guide goes away the desktop is displayed on screen and i get audio only.

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PennStateJoe74:

if i press escape, the myth front end comes back up. i was thinking it was loading the video on a different x-session or something, but i'm not sure how to investigate

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PennStateJoe74:

of note – same result when trying to play previously recorded content... i've never been able to play anything using myth's internal player.

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wagnerrp:

do you have the official nvidia drivers installed?

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wagnerrp:

what playback profile are you using?

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PennStateJoe74:

i do have nvidia drivers installed – 195.36.15

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PennStateJoe74:

i have tried just about every combination of playback profiles i can think of.

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wagnerrp:

should only be using Slim

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PennStateJoe74:

i did learn that the 8800 gts is not vduac

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wagnerrp:

the 320 and 640, no

[14:46:04]

wagnerrp:

the 512 supports VDPAU

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markl_:

PennStateJoe74: well try setting it to xvideo and see if that works

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wagnerrp:

no, just use the Slim profile

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markl_:

or look in the logs for vdpau errors

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wagnerrp:

it is already using Xv

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PennStateJoe74:

it is the 640

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PennStateJoe74:

i just tried running it in slim and i got the black screen with the 1 count down thing and no audio

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wagnerrp:

where did you get mythtv from?

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PennStateJoe74:

i hit escape and the hdpvr stopped recording, but i had to open system monitor and end the mythfrontend.real to get out of it

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wagnerrp:

so ubuntu...

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PennStateJoe74:

download from symantic package manager – version .23

[14:52:19]

PennStateJoe74:

yes – ubuntu 10.04

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iamlindoro:

heh, symantic

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iamlindoro:

speed reading FTL

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wagnerrp:

its actually synaptic

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PennStateJoe74:

synaptic — lol

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PennStateJoe74:

what is ftl/

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Jay2k1:

for the lose

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Jay2k1:

opposed to ftw – for the win

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Jay2k1:

good thing you didn't write symantec

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PennStateJoe74:

i'm opening a youtube video right now, and i have no sound.... i think the freeze made my audio crash

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PennStateJoe74:

i'm going to restart and come back in a minute. maybe you can help me sort through some log files

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wagnerrp:

you mean people dont have multiple computers on which to diagnose problems?

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jamesd_:

people with only one computer have problems?

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PennStateJoe74:

back

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mcl0vin:

i have a question, when i watch live TV, it is displayed as if its inside letter box, but the black lines are vertical !

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wagnerrp:

mcl0vin: thats because its a 4:3 recording on a 16:9 tv

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mcl0vin:

^^ aspect ratio

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wagnerrp:

its called pillarbox

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: but why when i watch the same channel from the cable it fit perfect

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sphery:

because your cable STB or your TV stretches it

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wagnerrp:

are you actually recording the same channel?

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sphery:

so if you want the same behavior, turn on Zoom mode in MythTV\

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sphery:

i.e. we don't corrupt images unless you tell us to

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wagnerrp:

are you recording the analog feed with mythtv, and the widescreen digital feed with your cable box?

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sphery:

Every wonder why people were short and fat on that channel? Now you know.

[15:15:45]

sphery:

(unless it is a different channel, like wagnerrp mentioned)

[15:15:47]

wagnerrp:

or are you using a PVR-150 or similar standard definition analog card for capture off the cable box that is only capable of full screen operation

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: i don't have analog

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sphery:

mcl0vin: how are you recording it?

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sphery:

HD-PVR or PVR-150?

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sphery:

or digital tuner using QAM

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mcl0vin:

are you talking about the capture card , mice is winTV-HVR-1600

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wagnerrp:

digital directly from the cable? or analog from the STB?

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sphery:

and you've configured MythTV using the digital size of the capture card?

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sphery:

and no STB

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mcl0vin:

this is over my head :) , sorry guys please be pacient with me

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wagnerrp:

STB = set-top-box

[15:18:22]

wagnerrp:

your cable-co leased tuner box

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mcl0vin:

ok

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wagnerrp:

did you plug the cable line directly into the tuner card?

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wagnerrp:

or did you run it through the STB?

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: coax got to my ATB

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mcl0vin:

*STB

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wagnerrp:

so youre using analog capture, and full screen

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wagnerrp:

your recordings are full screen, and may be letterboxed by the STB to fit

[15:20:57]

wagnerrp:

then when displayed on your TV, they are not pillarboxed as well

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wagnerrp:

do you end up with a tiny little video in the middle of the screen

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wagnerrp:

s/not/now/

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wagnerrp:

hit 'w' to cycle though myth's zoom modes

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp:

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: but when there is Ads, it it displayed normal

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has some sort of function that auto-detects aspect ratio of the content, and zooms accordingly

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wagnerrp:

maybe its doing funky things

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PennStateJoe74:

wagnerrp, think you can help me sort through some logs/

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: when can i fix/read about that function

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: because when i hit 'w' it zoom n fit the screen, then on top left it said "FULL"

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PennStateJoe74:

anyone available to help me look through some log files to find out why i get audio but no video on playback (but recordings work fine).

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mcl0vin:

PennStateJoe74: i will suggest to paste your logs in pastebin and then provide these folks here the link

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mcl0vin:

and if they are not busy they will help you :)

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mcl0vin:

!paste

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PennStateJoe74:

awesome – but i could use a point in the right direction as to where exactly i can find relevant logs

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sphery:

PennStateJoe74: and my without-taking-a-look guess is that you should go to Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback and change the Playback Profile group on the 3rd screen to Slim. (You probably have CPU+, which is wrong.)

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** mcl0vin doesn't get audio ATM , but will worry about audio later :) **

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PennStateJoe74:

thanks sphery. i do not have a vduac card (using nvidia 8800 gts 640). what would be a proper decoder and render to select/

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mcl0vin:

i can't get audio from my Yamaha receiver

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PennStateJoe74:

and capture is with haupagaue hd-pvr 1212

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PennStateJoe74:

ubuntu 10.04 x64

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skd5aner:

Joe Paterno uses MythTV?!

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PennStateJoe74:

haha

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skd5aner:

surprised he can see the program guide through his coke bottle glasses

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skd5aner:

;)

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PennStateJoe74:

actually i heard he got eye surgery a few months back

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PennStateJoe74:

still sporting the black frames, but with a much thinner glass

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sphery:

PennStateJoe74: Just select the default configuration of the Slim Playback Profile group. Not VDPAU-Slim, Slim.

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sphery:

don't change anything, just use the default configuration of it

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: you still here

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PennStateJoe74:

okay – good catch sphery, i didn't see the difference

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PennStateJoe74:

so this is what happened... i picked slim with default settings. clicked watch live tv. blue light on hdpvr came on, screen went to the number 1 image. no audio, then video went to desktop. but the recording was working fine as i found out afterwards.

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PennStateJoe74:

so i pressed escape because i could not interact with my desktop, and then the blue light shut off and myth menu returned. i quit mythtv then checked in the livetv folder. a file existed from my live tv session. i opened it i mplayer. it had sound and video (was a little choppy).

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sphery:

That may be due to the fact that the channel change time is too long for the HD-PVR

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sphery:

there are patches to make that work

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PennStateJoe74:

oh... really

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sphery:

read http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/431956#431956

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PennStateJoe74:

i was troubleshooting so i was using '/bin/true' as my channel change script until i got this working. i need to eventually use the directv.pl script that's floating around

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sphery:

oh, in that case, your channel change script is almost definitely too fast

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sphery:

i.e. you need a script that returns after the HD-PVR has locked on to the channel and started sending data

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PennStateJoe74:

are you familiar with the directv.pl script/

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sphery:

nope

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sphery:

My recommendation is to ask for help on the mythtv-users mailing list

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sphery:

I don't use HD-PVR or DirecTV (or any cable/satellite STB), so I'm not much help except repeating things others have said.

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sphery:

and I've repeated all I've heard, now, so you'll need someone else to help from here :)

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PennStateJoe74:

that's plenty of help :)

[15:52:14]

PennStateJoe74:

you've pointed me in a new direction after weeks of chasing my own tail – thank you.

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sphery:

but I say for now make a channel change script that's: #!/bin/bash\nsleep(8)\nexit 0

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sphery:

then test with that

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sphery:

and modify the 8 second sleep as necessary

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sphery:

er, oops, in bash that's sleep 8, not sleep(8)

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PennStateJoe74:

i'm not all that familiar with scripting

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PennStateJoe74:

do i just put that command in my mythfront end configurations

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PennStateJoe74:

or do i need to put that into a file somewhere and then reference the file

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sphery:

PennStateJoe74: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/hty53aZD

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sphery:

save the contents of that pastebin to a file called, change_channel.sh, chmod 755 change_channel.sh , then configure that script as your external channel change script in mythtv-setup

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sphery:

then modify the 8 as necessary (might need to be as high as 15 seconds of sleep, but if so, you'll almost definitely need the aforementioned patches). I think up to 10s you're good with current MythTV.

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PennStateJoe74:

okay.

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PennStateJoe74:

about to give it a try

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wagnerrp:

mcl0vin: nope, i had left

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drindt:

i run into that problem http://pastebin.com/DgtuBd3z, but when i manually delete this file its vanished, only mythtv can't delete it, what can i do?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro, or some other wikiop: see User:Maxine672

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wagnerrp:

drindt: sounds like youve got orphaned files

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wagnerrp:

metadata in the database with no file to match

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drindt:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/NfUdMuUv

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PennStateJoe74:

okay, so i made that file and saved it as 'channel-change.sh'

[16:02:17]

PennStateJoe74:

mythtv group has read/write

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PennStateJoe74:

i setup my backend channel change script to '/var/lib/mythtv/channel-change.sh'

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wagnerrp:

drindt: ok, then something outside mythtv has that file locked

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drindt:

wagnerrp: but i can manually delete the file

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PennStateJoe74:

that all look good to you

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PennStateJoe74:

i click live tv and the screen comes up with the 1

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sphery:

PennStateJoe74: you need to do the chmod to give read, write, execute... "chmod 755 change_channel.sh"

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: thanks

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PennStateJoe74:

ok – got it

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PennStateJoe74:

but still no go

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PennStateJoe74:

when i open live tv it goes to the screen with the big 1 and stays for about 5–6 seconds then back to main menu. i have the script set for 15 sec sleep

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sphery:

15sec is probably too long

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sphery:

you'd need the patches I mentioned/linked

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sphery:

did you try 8

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sphery:

might need to try smaller, too (3, 4, 5, ...)

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sphery:

oh, and 15s is probably too long /for MythTV/, but about right for your HD-PVR

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drindt:

wagnerrp: so i cant do anything here?

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wagnerrp:

drindt: i have no idea what could possibly be causing that

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drindt:

wagnerrp: its a samba share where iam writing to.

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wagnerrp:

why would you ever do that?

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drindt:

and now the disk will be messed up

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sphery:

PennStateJoe74: Oh, and really, the answer I should have given you in the first place--and that's most important--is: Don't use Live TV. Especially with an HD-PVR Live TV channel changes will be excruciatingly slow. You're best bet is to use MythTV like a DVR (that it is :)--record anything you might possibly want to watch and you'll always have something recorded that's better to watch than anything currently airing.

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drindt:

wagnerrp: why this huge harddrive hangs on a router with nas functionality

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sphery:

Live TV is evil!

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drindt:

in my mythtv box is just an ssh

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wagnerrp:

drindt: and no NFS support?

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drindt:

ssd

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drindt:

wagnerrp: unfortunately not

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wagnerrp:

so, sell the NAS box, dump your drives in the linux box, and use that as a NAS

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drindt:

wagnerrp: i tested now for weeks various options in the cifs module

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drindt:

wagnerrp: i dont understand, what to dump?

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sphery:

drindt: what's the translation of that eno message?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: the file system is complaining that the file is locked elsewhere

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wagnerrp:

so mythtv cannot delete it

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drindt:

sphery: 2. the program cant be modified or executed, 4. the list of arguments are to loong

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sphery:

I have a feeling you've enabled the Delete files slowly option and your box doesn't support that style of file system usage

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sphery:

4 is strange

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drindt:

sphery: i will disable it just a second, but then appear different errors

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sphery:

you may need to modify the CIFS mount options used on your mythtv backend for that file system, too

[16:13:53]

PennStateJoe74:

still no luck with shorter sleep times

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sphery:

PennStateJoe74: I recommend the mailing list

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sphery:

you can pastebin log files here and see if anyone has any ideas

[16:14:30]

PennStateJoe74:

i'll take you up on that advice

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PennStateJoe74:

thanks again for your help. i gotta go to work now.

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sphery:

but I know that Live TV on the HD-PVR is probably the most-challenging setup for MythTV

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sphery:

(and, really, Live TV is terrible, anyway, so ... ;)

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PennStateJoe74:

challenging indeed, but my wife doesn't understand why it doesn't 'just work' like our cable box

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PennStateJoe74:

lol

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sphery:

the answer to that one is that your cable co doesn't want it to

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sphery:

thus the encryption that requires you to use one of their rented STB's and an HD-PVR :)

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drindt:

wagnerrp: sphery: its working now thank you

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sphery:

drindt: Cool. What type of NAS is it?

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drindt:

sphery: Fritz!Box

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drindt:

sphery: i played a lot with the options of the cifs module to avoid such errors

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sphery:

and what kernel version and cifs version ( /sbin/modinfo cifs )

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp, sphery: catching up on tickets, #8438, I get that problem fairly consistently on a few recordings within mytharchive, I'll see if I can test the patch in the next couple of days

[16:21:29]

sphery:

and I assume you are using the cifs module and not the old smb module (whatever it was called)

[16:21:34]

skd5aner:

it's highly annoying when it happens :(

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drindt:

sphery: yes cifs http://pastebin.com/W4sVWBGe iam using fedora 12

[16:22:41]

drindt:

but can i do a lil bit more of noob noise with this http://pastebin.com/N9tCcbpi, mythweb doesnt let me download the file.

[16:22:44]

sphery:

skd5aner: cool... It sounds like it's just corrupt recordings: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8438#comment:3 , but we'd love a "fix" or something

[16:23:06]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: i really know nothing of mytharchive, i just fixed the little comma issue as per sphery's request

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sphery:

drindt: Thanks... That's a nice new one. I wonder if recent cifs module changes the ability to do open-and-unlink (I know that previous versions of clients/servers had a lot of problems with the silly-rename thing, so maybe they just dropped support for it.)

[16:24:50]

skd5aner:

sphery: It may be, but I've consistently seen it, particularly on longer recordings

[16:24:51]

wagnerrp:

where does it get those chapters from anyway?

[16:24:56]

sphery:

I don't use CIFS, so I haven't done any testing, but I guess if we get similar reports in the future, it's something we'll have to look into.

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drindt:

sphery: i always try to avoid mixing posix with m$ shit things but in this case it was not avoidable

[16:25:13]

wagnerrp:

looks like its just arbitrarily adding them at 6 minutes

[16:25:14]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: auto generates chapters, unless you go in modify them

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I think it just makes chapters every 5 min through the end of the recording length

[16:25:22]

sphery:

or 6min :)

[16:25:34]

wagnerrp:

maybe the 'proper' solution would be to add a 'chapter' flag into the markup

[16:25:37]

drindt:

sphery: did you want to know my mount line in fstab?

[16:25:47]

wagnerrp:

so when you transcode, it puts chapters at the cutpoints

[16:26:18]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: that'd be cool if you knew where the cutpoints were and made those the chapters

[16:26:47]

skd5aner:

I usually cut out all commercials, and many recordings need shrunk down

[16:26:53]

sphery:

drindt: that would be great--make sure to remove any password if you're not using a credentials file

[16:27:22]

wagnerrp:

drindt: please watch the language in this channel

[16:27:44]

sphery:

wagnerrp: there will be multiple bookmarks in the future that way--all that's really lacking is UI support

[16:27:51]

drindt:

wagnerrp: whats wrong with my language?

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drindt:

sphery: //fritz.box/samsung-sp2514n-01/MythTV /mnt/mythtv cifs username=empty,password=empty,nosetuids,soft 0 0

[16:28:01]

wagnerrp:

no swearing

[16:28:05]

iamlindoro:

It doesn't comply with the rules of this channel

[16:28:19]

iamlindoro:

Which are linked in the topic

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drindt:

wagnerrp: i dont swaring anything here

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sphery:

IMHO, there's no reason to differentiate chapters and bookmarks (and the bookmarks will have types, so you could always do chapters that way if you want)

[16:28:34]

iamlindoro:

drindt: yes, you did.

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drindt:

what where?

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iamlindoro:

the line that began "sphery: i always try to avoid mixing posix with m$"

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drindt:

sorry then iam not good with english

[16:29:09]

drindt:

where is that swearing?

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muns:

me neither so someboday better get my sh** workin or else ;)

[16:29:23]

muns:

lol back at it again ;(

[16:29:27]

iamlindoro:

drindt: the next word in that sensence is profanity

[16:29:31]

iamlindoro:

er sentence

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iamlindoro:

s**t

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iamlindoro:

and it's profanity in any english speaking country, and in this channel

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drindt:

oh sorry the shit is a word to much

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iamlindoro:

drindt: Last warning

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muns:

yup too much

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drindt:

but its the truth :D

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muns:

just use kaka or somethin haha

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drindt:

ok

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iamlindoro:

repeating the word again is a good way to become unwelcome here

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drindt:

iamlindoro: ok, it was written without a lot of thinking about

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drindt:

iamlindoro: excause me please

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iamlindoro:

It's fine, just don't do it again

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drindt:

ok

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wagnerrp:

is there any way to copy a local checkout to a new local checkout?

[16:32:04]

wagnerrp:

or just 'cp -rp'

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drindt:

so can i please ask once more where i can fix it when mythweb not use my default storage paht? i would download a clip and the message: "1515_20100516231500.mpg does not exist in any recognized storage group directories for this host."

[16:32:20]

iamlindoro:

That should work fine since it'll keep the .svn dirs intact

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drindt:

sphery: did you got my fstab entry?

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wagnerrp:

just wondering because i do editing as my user, but compiling as root

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wagnerrp:

meaning ive got to copy it as root

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sphery:

drindt: yeah, thanks... It seems fine. I was just looking and it seems this is becoming a common issue with some NAS boxes. Discussion (including mention of the change that probably caused this) at http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kern . . . sg06781.html

[16:36:32]

sphery:

unfortunately the commit link is dead, so I can't see the actual code to say it is what's causing it

[16:36:51]

sphery:

looks like Delete files slowly won't work on some NAS boxes, anymore.

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drindt:

sphery: the deletion of the file is fast enough, ntfs is underlaying fs

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drindt:

i know that link already :)

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sphery:

ah, yeah, with NTFS, there's no need for slow deletes

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drindt:

i think also

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drindt:

no one has a suggestion to my mythweb problem?

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sphery:

drindt: MythWeb only serves "local" files

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sphery:

to the best of my knowledge

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drindt:

sphery: mythweb can access the files in the same way as mythbackend its on the same machine

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sphery:

i.e. you need to mount the backend directories on the mythweb host

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drindt:

they can also access /mnt/mythweb

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drindt:

ensured that apache can access the folder too

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sphery:

don't know, then

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sphery:

if it's the master backend host, it should be able to find any of the recordings made by the master backend

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sphery:

(and, with proper storage group configuration and network mounts, any recording made by other backends)

[16:41:23]

sphery:

but shouldn't be any configuration to get the master backend stuff working

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sphery:

unless your mythweb configuration (in Apache) doesn't set the proper hostname

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sphery:

which would be my first guess as to the problem

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sphery:

(so modify mythweb.conf)

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sphery:

though if hostname program works properly, you should get the right hostname

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skd5aner:

mythtv.org down?

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skd5aner:

wiki and archive just bombed on me

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wagnerrp:

appears so

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sphery:

iamlindoro: twitter co twit://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk

[17:11:25]

sphery:

You have 2,329,871 new tweets. Would you like to read them?

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drindt:

sphery: the hostname is correct, i dont understand whats wrong

[17:12:23]

iamlindoro:

(Y)es, (N)o, (A)ll

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iamlindoro:

A

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sphery:

drindt: yeah, I'm not sure what would be happening, either

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drindt:

:-(

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I killed mythtv.org. I was actually going through my old TODOs to try to catch up, and the universe is telling me that I'm not allowed to catch up.

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skd5aner:

1) #mythtv: r25555 – i r commit 4 u bugfix!!!!!!11!!!11!1!one!

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skd5aner:

Continue to next Twitter message? (Y)es, Hell (N)o

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iamlindoro:

svn ci @twitter 140 chars mst typ quik, fix crtcl sgflt n mbe, cn crrpt dta if u dnt mk sre to

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skd5aner:

OH NO!!! WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO!!!???!!!

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sphery:

iamlindoro: heh

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mcl0vin:

i am having a hard time figuring out how to setup my Hauppauge remote with MythTV , can someone help me please!

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mcl0vin:

for Hauppauge wintv-hvr-1600, the ir input is not usb or serial, it's like 3.5mm socket

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sphery:

mcl0vin: might want to ask a specific question about what's not working/what you want help with

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mcl0vin:

sphery: i don't know how to setup/config it

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iamlindoro:

mcl0vin: What has you done to try?

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iamlindoro:

er have

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iamlindoro:

Which guides have you read/followed?

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mcl0vin:

iamlindoro: tried to read about lirc, but the all talk about usb and serial bus.

[17:37:45]

iamlindoro:

Did you read the article on the HVR-1600 in the wiki?

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iamlindoro:

What I'm getting at is that it would be obscenely painful to try to talk someone through every step of the way, it would help a lot if you had done something, anything to try and then have specific questions

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iamlindoro:

Speaking for myself (and I think for many of the other channel veterans), I would never volunteer to help someone who just wants their hand held through the whole process, I already have a full time job ;)

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mcl0vin:

iamlindoro: i totally agree with you and i don't want to be spoon fed, i just want to know what i could read! because like i said , i am not sure what cat it feel under it regarding how the IR Rx/Tx

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sphery:

mcl0vin: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600 , for when the mythtv.org domain is back up

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sphery:

mcl0vin: in the meantime, if you want to get the info without the pictures, see: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search? . . . &strip=1

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iamlindoro:

http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24

[17:46:03]

iamlindoro:

that too

[17:46:26]

iamlindoro:

and yes, it says pvr-150, but it's the same as the HVR-1600

[17:46:54]

iamlindoro:

though start with the myth wiki cache

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sphery:

So, how many e-mails do you think we'll get--as soon as mythtv.org is back up--that say, "Is the wiki/trac/SVN/web server/... down, or is it just me?"

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iamlindoro:

at least one or two

[17:49:21]

iamlindoro:

"down for me too!"

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sphery:

I should send one to mythtv-users, "I noticed I'm not getting any new e-mails from the mythtv-users mailing list. Anyone else not getting messages? Please reply offline if you didn't receive this message. Thanks."

[17:51:25]

sphery:

ah, and the server comes up just in time that it ruins my joke :(

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sphery:

mcl0vin: on the bright side, this is back: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Users would just misread that and send you thousands of "yeah, I got this" messages

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

we had some issue with the school global mailing list last year

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wagnerrp:

a piece of spam got sent to it

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wagnerrp:

so people kept replying to the mass mail address saying 'stop emailing me'

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

had like 15–20 people spam the entire university before campus IT shut down the address

[18:09:47]

wagnerrp:

retards...

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: ugh... I hate those, I get a few of those a year when someone selects the wrong distribution group at work – PAINFUL

[18:12:22]

skd5aner:

I was talking to a guy who worked for PricewaterhouseCoopers a year ago, they disabled the "Reply to All" button in their email clients... fairly draconian, but solves that problem

[18:12:50]

skd5aner:

somehow they had to jump through hoops to do a reply to all

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sphery:

except when someone sets a Reply-To header, right?

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: yeah, GE did the same thing

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mcl0vin:

sphery: thank you , i will read it and come back with question if i have any

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justinh:

well, I guess it's time to set to work installing & configuring 0.23

[18:20:20]

bjd:

upgrading was pretty painless

[18:20:22]

justinh:

had a load of powercuts today & now the root fs of the backend is borked.

[18:20:41]

justinh:

my backup script hasn't worked since April :-\

[18:21:19]

justinh:

methinks the new backup script will mostly send an email every time it works

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justinh:

let's hope 0.23 works well on intel video eh

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muns:

Not ivtv or pvrusb2 or hdpvr driver --- i see that on mythbackend in terminal but i chosen the ivtv for analog

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muns:

is ATSC cable? or is that whats broadcasted via cable tv

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iamlindoro:

ATSC is over the air

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iamlindoro:

QAM is cable

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muns:

k

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skd5aner:

sphery: r24559, xdg-screensaver... is that additive functionality, or replacement functionality for some pre-existing screensaver code?

[18:42:59]

wagnerrp:

bugfix

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skd5aner:

(ScreenSaverX11)

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sphery:

skd5aner: it's gone functionality

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skd5aner:

Does is supplement ScreenSaverX11 or replace it entirely?

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johnnyj:

::frown face::

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sphery:

users/distros/DE's were too clueless, so nobody's system was set up properly

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sphery:

and people thought that was MythTV's fault

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johnnyj:

except mythbuntu karmic 9.10

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johnnyj:

aka mine

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sphery:

and couldn't be bothered to fix their broken systems

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skd5aner:

"gone" functionality – forgive me if there's changesets beyond 24559 that revert, I haven't gotten past this one yet

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skd5aner:

?

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sphery:

skd5aner: I reverted it

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sphery:

so no mention on changelogs

[18:45:23]

sphery:

I'm just a bit touchy about it because it was a beautiful thing, but we can't use it

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skd5aner:

k, thanks... I would have eventually saw that and reverted putting on the changelog, but appreciate the heads up now

[18:45:35]

skd5aner:

ws trying to make sure I reflect the change correctly, but sounds like it's null and void anywya

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sphery:

after all, it caused bugs in everything from playback to UI drawing to the kernel

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johnnyj:

sphery: how did it mess with the UI / the kernel?

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skd5aner:

mind if I ask why, or is that just pouring salt in a wound?

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sphery:

johnnyj: I'm just going by user reports :)

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johnnyj:

oh

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johnnyj:

ok

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sphery:

that was meant to say that we got reports of bugs from it that had /absolutely/ nothing to do with that change

[18:48:22]

skd5aner:

"we can't use it" – what's the real reason?

[18:48:36]

sphery:

basically nobody's system was set up properly

[18:48:41]

sphery:

because distros don't do it right

[18:48:49]

skd5aner:

ah

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skd5aner:

anyway to implement legacy support utilizing the new method?

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sphery:

DE's use insane API's for their screensaver control (the KDE and GNOME DBus API's were designed by clueless users, who didn't think about the consequences)

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sphery:

skd5aner: no, not with the current state of distro/DE support for xdg-screensaver

[18:50:18]

skd5aner:

too bad

[18:50:21]

sphery:

and I laugh that these same users who complained about it in MythTV will have to figure out/properly configure xdg-screensaver for Hulu desktop and the like

[18:50:29]

skd5aner:

saw lots of chatter when you guys were working on it

[18:50:36]

sphery:

since they only support xdg-screensaver control of screensavers

[18:51:00]

skd5aner:

how hard is it to configure the system correctly?

[18:51:40]

** skd5aner is completely unfamiliar with any screensaver control system for DEs **

[18:52:42]

skd5aner:

is it a .conf change? or is it a bit more detailed than that?

[18:53:13]

sphery:

basically, if you install xdg-screensaver on a system and then choose to use a screensaver app that's not supported by xdg-screensaver, you've misconfigured

[18:53:19]

sphery:

that's 99% of the users who complained

[18:53:21]

skd5aner:

I mean, I'm just running gdm and fvwm, and I'm having some dpms issues since I switched to HDMI

[18:53:26]

sphery:

distros or someone should stop that

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skd5aner:

but, never dealt with any screensavor

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skd5aner:

saver

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sphery:

i.e. if you enable some broken screensaver app, the distro disables/removes/renames xdg-screensaver

[18:54:19]

sphery:

but I will not fix all the users' broken systems

[18:54:25]

sphery:

I have better things to do with my time

[18:54:59]

sphery:

and we'll continue to use the hacky/ugly/inefficient/able-to-cause-playback-problems ScreenSaverX11

[18:55:35]

sphery:

for those of us who recognize that there's no good reason to use a screensaver application on a MythTV box, though, we'll never see the problems. :)

[18:59:27]

skd5aner:

well, yea – I've never had one... my video card will stop sending a signal, and black screen as expected, but the TV no longer sees that as inactivity and shuts down like it used to. It just stays on all the time, displaying a black screen

[18:59:43]

skd5aner:

on Component, it did

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sphery:

that sounds like you're using a screensaver app with DPMS disabled

[19:00:21]

sphery:

Though I'll admit that some projectors/TVs are brain dead, so it could be the hardware.

[19:01:18]

johnnyj:

i use the XDG screensaver patch – works fine for me

[19:03:53]

skd5aner:

it's a pioneer elite plasma, although that doesn't mean it's guarenteed to work, but I'd be surprised if the TV were at fault here

[19:07:55]

AndyCap:

skd5aner: did it work with the same gfx card earlier?

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johnnyj:

they really are ungrateful

[19:11:50]

johnnyj:

...the one with the 2 pt change on the font size in the mailing list

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iamlindoro:

someone should remind him that myth is not a WM

[19:13:38]

johnnyj:

i think i paid $150 for a replayTv a few years back and I loved it – but it had no theme – what you saw was what you got

[19:13:46]

iamlindoro:

And that anyone is welcome to write a high-contrast or high-visibility theme

[19:13:58]

iamlindoro:

Or change an existing one as they are mostly GPL

[19:14:42]

iamlindoro:

Alternately, he can point out an example of a DVR UI that is as flexible and themable as myths and still allows the user to arbitrarily set font sizes because, surprise surprise, no such DVR exists

[19:15:55]

johnnyj:

not to mention they're designers aren't hanging around to take inquiries or complaints

[19:16:17]

sphery:

In Windows MCE, I can right click, Properties, Appearance, and set fonts to Extra Large, so ha!

[19:16:31]

iamlindoro:

Heh

[19:16:34]

sphery:

(and then it's completely ignored by the MCE stuff, but it makes the Start menu huge)

[19:16:49]

sphery:

just guessing, there--haven't used MCE

[19:18:19]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, the point is you can use a UI toolkit and throw away flexibility (Old Myth UI) but get the ability to resize some widgets globally (and in a way that is still obscenely ugly/will overrun containers/etc.) or you can get flexibility that requires someone to actually consider those things when designing the interface (MythUI)

[19:18:39]

iamlindoro:

There was and is no way to make MythUI flexible and allow the user to say how big or small widgets will be-- none

[19:22:14]

sphery:

wait, you're saying that themers actually take time to align things properly and size images and text in relation to one another?

[19:22:49]

johnnyj:

...if only someone would write up a walkthrough on how to write a theme

[19:23:12]

PennStateJoe74:

hello folks. i'm having trouble with a channel change script for a directv box. i'm sooo close to getting it working. can someone tell me what needs to be done in order to allow the mythtv group to communicate with usb devices (i am using a pl script that communicates to the box via serial over usb).

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sphery:

make sure the usb dev has write perms?

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skd5aner:

AndyCap: yes, it did

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PennStateJoe74:

i can list my usb devices with 'lsusb'

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PennStateJoe74:

but how do i determine the permissions that are set for a device

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iamlindoro:

!trout johnnyj smart-a**

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** MythLogBot slaps johnnyj with a smart-a** trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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iamlindoro:

!trout sphery smart-a**

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** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a smart-a** trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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johnnyj:

iamlindoro – ha

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sphery:

PennStateJoe74: they actually have device files in /dev

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johnnyj:

it's been a cool minute since I've been beaten with marine life

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sphery:

PennStateJoe74: you'll likely want a udev configuation that sets the permissions appropriately so you don't have to do it manually

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johnnyj:

i almost bought the fixens for another FE saturday

[20:13:51]

johnnyj:

but the only IR remote at microcenter was one with a large windows logo on it

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drindt:

sphery: it seems that cifs has a problem with my given fstab options, i have now multiple crashes when mythtv wrotes on that share :( iam investigating the situation now and will updating you if you want

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sphery:

drindt: strange... I'd check with the distro wiki/forum/lists/... I'm guessing others might have seen similar issues

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drindt:

sphery: i found some threads belonging to ubuntu...

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sphery:

if you can get a backtrace of the crash, we might be able to fix it so mythbackend doesn't crash (but it won't record, either, so you'll still need to fix the underlying problem).

[20:25:52]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

[20:27:46]

drindt:

sphery: i cant say that this is a hardware issue because the hardware runs multiple weeks with virtualization and a lot of load, and no issues in that time. so it must be kernel specific in that case...

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Let me say that I really do appreciate the hard work you are doing on the Release Notes

[20:29:27]

skd5aner:

haha, "but...." ;)

[20:29:42]

drindt:

sphery: seems its really the option setnouids

[20:29:55]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: With that said, I'm concerned that some of the more technical changesets might not need to be there/might confuse some people/might make some of the more tangible changes get lost after people's eyes glaze over

[20:30:00]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: thanks

[20:30:12]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Not really a but, just maybe a way to make your job a little easier

[20:30:25]

iamlindoro:

ie, I'm not sure the average consumer of the data is going to know what MythObservable is, or care

[20:30:45]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: yea, I understand the audience of this is more for users to see "gee, look what's new and cool" and not really to explain what methods changed under the hood...

[20:31:59]

skd5aner:

I've started to shortcut a lot of that stuff, including not even putting it on the discussion page which is where I'm sticking the "TBD/too technical/nice to know, but keep it off the main release page" stuff

[20:32:23]

skd5aner:

I figured, I'd swing back around pre-RC time, and trim-the-fat a little

[20:33:09]

skd5aner:

by that time, within each category, it'll be easy to see what's the most relevant near-release and what might get bumped down to honorable mention and removed from the page... make sense?

[20:33:43]

iamlindoro:

Sure, I just wonder whether it might not be more effective to simply be more discerning to being with

[20:34:14]

skd5aner:

That being said, I definitely agree – I looking at it kind of like a car, would a normal person care about the internal changes to a fuel injection pump? No, but they do care about what that might mean for MPG, etc... trying to keep stuff high level and relavent to the user

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iamlindoro:

the last changeset is never going to be relevant to anyone reading it, so why put it up in the first place? This method means the release notes become less and less usable until you go back and "fix" them

[20:34:42]

skd5aner:

the Devs don't really need to rely on the release-notes, they've got doxygen/trac/commits, etc

[20:35:17]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, I don't care enough to go do anything about it myself, but I am slightly sensitive to public perception-- and release notes that run parallel to our settings screens are not a good thing IMO ;)

[20:35:20]

drindt:

sphery: i had stresstested the share with multiple write/read streams and it seems the system is now stable

[20:35:39]

skd5aner:

Yea, I'll move the mythobservable one off, what about the events – would not that one be a little more relevent though?

[20:35:43]

sphery:

drindt: cool

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iamlindoro:

I think the event ones are worth having there

[20:37:15]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: I think I would look at it as follows: If it's a setting, improved functionality, a user-facing bugfix, or a new feature, it should go in the release notes. If it's a technical exercise/has no effect on the user's experience, it probably shouldn't

[20:38:00]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Examples of things that might not belong:

[20:38:27]

iamlindoro:

Bug fix & minor optimizations to Program Finder when loading programs that start with "A"/"An"/"The"

[20:38:48]

iamlindoro:

HD-PVR: Wait for a keyframe before writing to a new file

[20:38:58]

iamlindoro:

Various minor scheduler cleanups, tweaks, and optimizations

[20:39:32]

iamlindoro:

etc.

[20:39:42]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, it's more a matter of taste, I think you are doing a good job

[20:41:27]

drindt:

sphery: just to ensure that iam not made some misleading statements i will check that some hours... cool i can crash the nas router too :D

[20:41:45]

skd5aner:

yea – I'm curious to see how much the list could potentially grow, given the length of time until the next release, and that .23 just released 7 days ago... I don't want it to be an hour long excersise to read through the release-notes come release time

[20:42:22]

iamlindoro:

.24 freeze is likely to be 10/1 or so

[20:43:24]

ThisOtherGuy:

hi all

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skd5aner:

The release notes may continue to grow as is for now, but once I catch up, I'll try and do a first pass of clean-up/consolidation

[20:43:35]

iamlindoro:

With two branches getting a merge in the next month or so, I would suspect the list qill grow by quite a lot

[20:44:12]

skd5aner:

yea, my intention with that is to basically represent 1–3 high level facts about the OSD and audio merges, and basically just point to the tickets for more details

[20:44:43]

skd5aner:

does JYA hang out in IRC?

[20:44:55]

ThisOtherGuy:

I saw 24721 which looks awesome, but trunk has been pretty volitile recently – is now a bad time to svn up?

[20:45:13]

high-rez:

I'm having a myth withdrawl. House has een under remodeling and my machines are all packed up. Right before 0.23 released :(

[20:47:54]

muns:

is it necessary to run mythfilldatabase after every scan?

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high-rez:

I think only if you added new channels...

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muns:

cuz i've done all the scans and seems pointless to add what i've always seen, terrestrial 8vsb, qam64,128,256

[20:49:23]

muns:

maybe i'm going bout this the wrong way i'd rather get to see a picture first lol

[20:49:59]

high-rez:

mythfilldatabase won't effect your picture ability – its just guide data.

[20:50:24]

high-rez:

Its not neccessary if you get all of your guide data from EIT – only if you use schedules direct.

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muns:

ya gettin sd

[20:52:59]

muns:

so uncheck everything that says EIT

[20:53:11]

muns:

cuz still not getting picture

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qfx:

There must be some command for chanserver to tell me what to look for for pulse audio?

[20:53:37]

muns:

i know card works i did broadcast scan and seen pictures

[20:54:05]

muns:

but this cable company sux i can't get nuttin

[20:56:43]

muns:

done all the scans from using ivtv for analog, and nuttin, scans using terrestrial 8vsb to qam256 and no pic, shows time outs but possible channels

[20:57:24]

muns:

so i increased my tuning timeout in the dvb section under capture cards and same issue time outs

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justinh:

grrr. blimmin ubuntu.

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high-rez:

Singla problem ?

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high-rez:

Signal too

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dustybin:

justinh: will hauppauge make a card what can pickup our freeview HD ?

[20:59:49]

muns:

everything works great thru this cable to this 32lcd tv

[20:59:57]

dustybin:

dvb-T2

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justinh:

dustybin: SHUT UP

[21:00:10]

dustybin:

:(

[21:00:27]

muns:

then i bought a inhouse amp and still nada

[21:00:49]

dustybin:

justinh: play nice

[21:00:55]

iamlindoro:

dustybin: Well why would you even address him with that question? I genuinely believe you come in here looking for trouble

[21:01:10]

justinh:

so, my recordings & all the still intact media disks are xfs... but does xfs work out of the box? Nope. and does installing xfs related stuff actually do anything? nope.

[21:01:13]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: he lives in UK?

[21:01:18]

iamlindoro:

You know he doesn't like you, so why persist in poking him?

[21:01:34]

justinh:

starting to suspect this is gonna need a reboot

[21:01:37]

dustybin:

jeeze i asked a simple question and got abused :(

[21:01:50]

dustybin:

<-- cyber bully victim

[21:01:56]

justinh:

I was resisting the temptation to suspect it, but there's not much else it can be

[21:02:11]

muns:

hey i'll be ur witness dusty...just get my card workin haha

[21:02:21]

iamlindoro:

dustybin: If you have a question that is on topic and of general interest, just ask it-- you know full well that there is pent up animosity towards you from your silly behavior

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high-rez:

pent up animosity....

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dustybin:

i give up :(

[21:03:15]

iamlindoro:

Yes, it is likely that Hauppauge will produce DVB-T2 devices. Yes, it is likely that those will eventually be supported by v4l-dvb, meaning they will work in Myth

[21:03:49]

muns:

don't buy a hvr-1600 i can tell u that much haha

[21:04:00]

justinh:

what kind of fricking distro won't work with xfs out of the box? :-O

[21:04:07]

iamlindoro:

An HVR-1600 is fine

[21:04:14]

iamlindoro:

and he's not even in a country where he would

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wagnerrp:

justinh: gentoo?

[21:04:51]

justinh:

heh

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xand:

gentoo doesn't have a box :p

[21:04:59]

justinh:

and now, Lucid Lynx

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muns:

iamlindoro, lies lies lies maybe its just this cable company that is screwed then cuz i've tried every combo there is for analog and digital

[21:05:07]

AndyCap:

justinh: heh, it's even out of the doghouse with redhat

[21:05:08]

high-rez:

gentoo works with xfs out of the box.

[21:05:32]

iamlindoro:

muns: You are an inexperienced myth user-- that alone makes every step on the way to a working system a point of possible failure

[21:05:42]

high-rez:

(at least the minimal cd supports xfs)

[21:05:50]

justinh:

I'm compiling myth at the mo.. I'll reboot eventually. the restricted driver manager reckons I have to anyway

[21:06:03]

iamlindoro:

muns: Many, many, many people using HVR-1600s satisfactorily with MythTV

[21:06:17]

high-rez:

HDHR > *

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** high-rez ducks **

[21:06:19]

justinh:

the next release is gonna have a START button at the bottom left of the desktop. £5 on it

[21:06:35]

muns:

ok following the steps w/o compiling the ivtv drivers since its "builtin" still no luck following the wiki

[21:06:40]

qfx:

So pulse audio is screwing with my frontend, when I start mythtvfrontend it says "ERROR: ***Pulse Audio is running!!!!*** " and fails to start

[21:06:49]

muns:

again maybe its just this cable provider that sux

[21:06:59]

qfx:

I have tried to do 'pulse-audio -k' but it just immediately starts

[21:07:08]

justinh:

oh damn I forgot about pulseaudio

[21:08:06]

muns:

again anyone here using a hvr-1600 that got it to work in mythbuntu 10.04?

[21:08:21]

muns:

just thought i'd ask..i see the same guys here ;(

[21:09:01]

iamlindoro:

muns: You're asking 200 of the tens of thousands of myth users, many of whom don't use mythbuntu

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iamlindoro:

why not try the captive mythbuntu using audience in #ubuntu-mythtv ?

[21:09:29]

muns:

done tried i'll try again

[21:10:08]

iamlindoro:

muns: regardless, as you are not an experienced user of myth, it is almost invariably a setup issue on your part

[21:10:32]

iamlindoro:

there are many parts to get right, and any one of them can result in an unusable system

[21:12:23]

justinh:

woohoo my joggler will be delivered tomorrow. while I'm at work :-\

[21:12:39]

muns:

ya after 9 reinstalls and following the wiki no luck still, so i try many different combinations with no luck, might be missing somethin and after reading lots of forums all i see is working in 9.04, 9.10 but haven't found one that is in the 10.04 with 0.23

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skd5aner:

muns: if it makes you feel better, cause you're looking for a response from someone, I don't have an HVR-1600, so I can't say... but I know lots of people use that card with little to no issue, so...

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muns:

so i will still work on it best i can

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muns:

before the return policy is expired lol

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qfx:

iamlindoro: I AM an experienced user of myth, and it's still almost invariably a setup issue on my part

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iamlindoro:

qfx: Well your issue is that you have pulseaudio installed at all ;)

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skd5aner:

crap, justinh left right as I was getting ready to send him something :/

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skd5aner:

muns: I can't imagine that much is different between 9.10 and 10.04 in regards to it. Many people are using other IVTV and V4L devices without problems on 10.04

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skd5aner:

yay, justinh is back

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justinh:

yeah it needed a reboot. go ubuntu!

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skd5aner:

justinh: was going to send you something right as you disconnected

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skd5aner:

justinh: re joggler – cool, did you see to video that Azelphur did with myth on a joggler? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgwjPRBAFrU

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justinh:

yeah I did

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justinh:

I won't be doing that though

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skd5aner:

cool

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skd5aner:

just passing it along :)

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qfx:

anybody recall who maintains the SUSE package? (on packman)

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justinh:

it's how I found out about the joggler anyway – saw the tweet about it. when I still used twitter

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iamlindoro:

I can't say I've ever heard anyone claim to be the SuSe maintainer

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iamlindoro:

qfx: You can temporarily work around it by doing "EXPERIMENTALLY_ALLOW_PULSE_AUDIO=1 mythfrontend" but your audio sync will be varying degrees of broken

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** justinh wonders what the chances of retrieving data from db fragments are **

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skd5aner:

justinh: what happened?

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skd5aner:

crashed DB or fs?

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justinh:

crashed

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justinh:

oops / crashed

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qfx:

His name starts with H... I'm just not sure the rest of the characters.

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qfx:

Default install of suse 11.2 includes pulse-audio (I assume for flash?) and the rpm from packman doesn't have support. I had been working from source before.

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qfx:

Also default install managed to make me pull my hair out on mythweb, but I haven't done enough investigation to even start asking questions about it

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justinh:

corrupted files all over the place, some of them db tables

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skd5aner:

you said on xfs?

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justinh:

skd5aner: no, root was ext3

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iamlindoro:

qfx: Flash doesn't need pulseaudio

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qfx:

My assumptions steering me astray again!

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skd5aner:

eh, that sucks

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** skd5aner knocks on wood **

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justinh:

skd5aner: many power failures today, and I was busy using it at the time

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skd5aner:

been very luck with my HDs in all my mythboxes

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justinh:

my backup script hadn't run since april

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skd5aner:

heh

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justinh:

and my UPS monitor wasn't working either

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skd5aner:

Yea – my backup script runs, but it no longer syncs to my other machine, just another HD in the same one – so I've only got minimal protection right now, need to fix that

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justinh:

if the db was smaller or my internet was faster I'd upload it to the internet

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qfx:

iamlindoro I'm going to give that a shot, thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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dougt:

what in mythtv/* depends on ffmpeg? is it just mythweb (for streaming)

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dougt:

oh... i can answer my own question: http://dougt.org/mythmxr/mythtv-trunk/search?string=ffmpeg

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iamlindoro:

nuvexport, mythweb, and a couple other spots require actual ffmpeg, giant core portions of myth require the libraries from ffmpeg (which we import, so they are not dependencies)

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iamlindoro:

well, and mythweb only "requires" it if you turn on the sompletely unsupported flash streaming

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iamlindoro:

er completely

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qfx:

I prefer sompletely... it's like some of it is completely....

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dougt:

iamlindoro: yeah, ffmpeg is crashing convert to ogg... i was thinking about upgrading to the latest svn and seeing if the crash goes away (hoping mostly)

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iamlindoro:

dougt: Well, for what it's worth no part of myth proper requires ffmpeg at all

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dougt:

right, just the plugins

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iamlindoro:

mytharchive may call it in a couple of spots, mythweb only for flash streaming, and some scripts use it-- but none of the core

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dougt:

some of ^

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markl_:

fwiw for the start menu, try Linux Mint

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cheavera:

Hi, I have just successfully compiled mythtv 0.23 on debian lenny with fluxbox window manager, the only problem i have is that when i run mythtv-setup, the font in unreadable small. Can someone tell where i should look to fix this?

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cheavera:

please someone?

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sphery:

Interesting read: http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2010/05/13

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sphery:

cheavera: what do you mean by "unreadble small"?

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sphery:

like you have a white background with a blue or brown stripe at the top and can't see anything at all

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cheavera:

The fonts are so small that i cant read them

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sphery:

can you post a screenshot somewhere, please

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cheavera:

the text* is small

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sphery:

if it's the only thing I can think of as "unreadable small", then most likely you have a broken install or you're getting some popup that's appearing before the theme is loaded and results in the theme failing to load properly and giving you basically a blank screen

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sphery:

but I need a screenshot to see

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mltlnx:

Anyone using a Zotac GF9300-G-E and have an opinion on it?

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mltlnx:

anyone using HD-PVR with an opinion?

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strex:

can anyone recommend how to remove a directory from a storage group via mythtv-setup?

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iamlindoro:

highlight it, press D

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jarle:

By mistake I installed the mythzoneminder plugin, which files needs to be deleted to have it not show up in the menu?

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iamlindoro:

$PREFIX/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythzoneminder.so

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cheavera:

sphery: http://www.tinqle.com/s.png

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jarle:

iamlindoro: thnx.

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iamlindoro:

np

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sphery:

cheavera: yep, that's the broken install or configuration that results in a popup before the theme is loaded

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sphery:

i.e. look at your logs to see what the problem is, then fix it, then all will be well

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cheavera:

Which logs?

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sphery:

whatever program that is, look at its logs

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cheavera:

sphery: I believe the screen shot is the language selection mythtv-setup shows when you start it for the first time

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sphery:

so either you distro should have written mythtv-setup logs somewhere (in /var/log or /var/log/mythtv or ...) or you should see the log output of mythtv-setup scrolling by in the terminal you used to start mythtv-setup

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sphery:

read that to see what's wrong

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sphery:

if you don't see any log output, you'll have to figure out where your distro hides it

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sphery:

if they hide it in /dev/null, you'll have to find a way to stop your distro from "helping"

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sphery:

I really need someone to figure out/tell me exactly what misconfiguration causes that, as I can't reproduce it

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cheavera:

sphery: The only message i can find is this: Could not find theme: – Switching to Terra

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cheavera:

Ok, i leave it vor now, have to get some sleep first :)

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