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Sunday, May 16th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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jolaren:

RDV_Linux: How would I run the mirobridge?

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jolaren:

It's still not gon

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jolaren:

e

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jolaren:

nvm

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: Are you running Mythbuntu? Which version of MythTV do you have installed?

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muns:

runnin mythfilldatabase hopefully this works this time

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jolaren:

RDV_Linux: yes mythbuntu 0.23

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jolaren:

lucid

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jolaren:

i purged miro now and reinstallin it

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muns:

what card u have jolaren?

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: In the Mythbuntu Control Centre there is now a MiroBridge plugin which can install/uninstall and be used to configure MiroBridge and Miro

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jolaren:

muns: 4x hauppage wintv nova-t 500 cards

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muns:

kk

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jolaren:

RDV_Linux: thats waht I used this time..

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jolaren:

RDV_Linux: The listings from my old movies r still there (in mythtv) and the new movies iv'e added doesnt go in

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muns:

i'm still waitin till someone here has 10.04 and hauppauge wintv-hvr-1600 workin

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jolaren:

darn

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jolaren:

muns: why

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muns:

user error or mythbuntu error or mythtv error lol still tryin to figure it out

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jolaren:

muns: is it supported in kernel?

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muns:

yup yup

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muns:

brb reboot time

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jolaren:

got any tips for me RDV_Linux ?

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: If you just reinstalled MiroBridge will run at 45 minutes on every hour unless you changed that setting. After it runs only the current Miro Videos should be seen in MythTV. You could run MiroBridge from the command line with the "-V" option and pastebin the results then put a link to that pastebin here so I can see what is going on.

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jolaren:

RDV_Linux: miro -v?

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jolaren:

gives me errors

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: Do a "locate mirobridge.py" then run from that directory "./mirobridge.py -V"

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muns:

so friggin awesome

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jolaren:

RDV_Linux: http://pastebin.org/241329

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: looking now

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jolaren:

It looks all good

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: You have a data base issue that stops mirobridge from running. It needs to be cleared up "! Warning – Mismatched schema version for 'mythvideo.DBSchemaVer': database speaks version 1033, we speak version 1032"

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jolaren:

Oh..

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wagnerrp:

sounds like youre running trunk

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: The fix may be as simple as starting the front end just once.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, other way around

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: no, hes one ahead

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iamlindoro:

his DB is already 1033 (a trunk revision)

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wagnerrp:

0.23-fixes is 1032

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iamlindoro:

his bindings are .23

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muns:

when switching sources in frontend its simply pressing "y" correct?

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muns:

Y and C

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jolaren:

how'd taht happend

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muns:

or is it shift-y and shift-c

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RDV_Linux:

thanks guys trying do too many things at once.

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iamlindoro:

muns, Not unless you have bound them to nextsource

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iamlindoro:

Just open the menu and set the input

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jolaren:

"repair database" in the mythweb interferance? or can I do it someother way?

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muns:

kk i'll check again

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iamlindoro:

jolaren, There's nothing to repair

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jolaren:

How to get them runnin on teh same level then iamlindoro ?

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iamlindoro:

you have run a copy of a trunk frontend somewhere, so it updated your schema past .23

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jolaren:

;/

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iamlindoro:

restore your backup before you did that

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wagnerrp:

what is with everyone running trunk these days?

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iamlindoro:

or drop your video tables entirely, the easier solution

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jolaren:

Now I'm not understandin anythin

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jpabq:

Other than "./configure --with-bindings=python,perl" what is the trick to getting the python bindings installed? I am getting "MythNetvision requires the MythTV Python bindings (MythTV)"

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jolaren:

wagnerrp: was not my intention ;/

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I strongly suspect mythbuntu pushed out a trunk frontend marked as .23

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wagnerrp:

jpabq: you dont even need to set that, bindings are installed by default

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wagnerrp:

jolaren: have you ever run the windows frontend?

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, Possible you have the old bindings installed and those are busted?

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jolaren:

wagnerrp: I have but it was to much of a hazzle.. it perhaps 3–4 days since the last run

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jolaren:

wagnerrp: but I understand now what caused it.. the windows :@

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muns:

ya nextinput is c and source is y but didn't work i'll try again

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, you may need to find all the installed copies of the bindings and rm them, then reinstall the bindings to ensure a clean python binding environment

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wagnerrp:

one of the pre-compiled windows installers runs trunk

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wagnerrp:

even though it is labeled '0.23-trunk', which is a misnomer

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jpabq:

very possible. I will look.

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jolaren:

There's basicly no easy way to restore this?

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wagnerrp:

jpabq: they will be in some variation of /usr/[local/]lib/python[version]/[site|dist]-packages/MythTV

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jolaren:

wagnerrp: ^

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wagnerrp:

jolaren: dump it, and recover from a backup

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jolaren:

and how do i do that?

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wagnerrp:

or, dump it, and recover from scratch

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iamlindoro:

jolaren, You can restore your backup before you did that, or you can drop all the mythvideo tables and the schema setting and restart, which will ensure a clean mythvideo schema

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** iamlindoro assume wagnerrp has that link **

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iamlindoro:

assumes

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wagnerrp:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407793#407793

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ive started bookmarking these links to sphery-posts

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jpabq:

wagnerrp, thanks. Unfortunately, all I see is Pearl. No Python to be found.

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wagnerrp:

cant be relying on him to provide the links forever

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wagnerrp:

jpabq: there will be no perl in any form of that path i provided

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wagnerrp:

unless someone did something absurd like wrote a python module in perl

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, you can go into the bindings/python dir and run make install and see what's happening

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iamlindoro:

which will also tell you where it's trying to install them

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jpabq:

I mean if have "/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/MythTV" but no python equivalent.

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iamlindoro:

should be /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/MythTV for your prefix

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wagnerrp:

what about /usr/lib/python* ?

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sphery:

My job here is done. Seems I'm no longer needed.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: now we just need to catalog the thousands of your posts on the mailing list

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iamlindoro:

sphery, quitter

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wagnerrp:

sphery: now we just need to catalog the thousands of your posts on the mailing list

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sphery:

heh

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jpabq:

Shame I didn't read the output from configure in mythtv: "bindings_python no". So, I need to figure out why it doesn't think they shouuld be built.

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iamlindoro:

missing prerequisites

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iamlindoro:

mysqldb and lxml I think

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sphery:

jpabq: see configure check_py_lib

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wagnerrp:

jpabq: i assume youre running trunk from within a few days?

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sphery:

same for mythplugins configure

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jolaren:

I'm readin from the wiki now

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jolaren:

.-)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: pre-requisites or post-requisites? ;)

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iamlindoro:

pre since we enforce them pre ;)

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sphery:

yeah, they're now build deps, I suppose

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muns:

sorry froze on me...nope that c and y don't work and its set in the keybindings for nextinput and nextsource somethin like that

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jpabq:

wagnerrp, yes

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wagnerrp:

right, recent configure now has dependency checks that will prevent the python bindings from being installed if they are not met

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iamlindoro:

then you don't have inputs set up properly, don't understand what sources are, or both

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wagnerrp:

namely, those iamlindoro just gave you

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iamlindoro:

just use the menu if you don't know precisely what the above two are ;)

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iamlindoro:

Instead of adding more points of failure

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muns:

i have created both sides of the card which mythtv wiki hvr-1600 said to analog and digital

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wagnerrp:

im thinking sphery is right about configure failing outright if the prereqs are not met

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muns:

i mean seriously any guru's out there want to vnc into this box and see for yourself...i'm soo darn stumped it aint funny anymore

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muns:

after scanning digital i see like 3 non conflicting atsc channels then i click insert them, and 20 non conclicting mpeg and then 32 conflicting so i insert manually with the suggestively part and puts puts a chan number in there for me

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jolaren:

wagnerrp: any way to secure myself from this happening again? this seems like such a hazzle

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iamlindoro:

It's "hassle"

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wagnerrp:

pay more attention to what youre doing

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wagnerrp:

dont run binaries given by shady individuals

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iamlindoro:

and don't install random builds of myth

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jpabq:

wagnerrp, iamlindoro, sphery: Thanks. I was missing the MySQL-python package.

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iamlindoro:

^^ That

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, nice, glad you got it worked out

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sphery:

jolaren: and back up your database frequently: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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sphery:

(maybe even in a cron job at a time when your system is least likely to be recording)

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jolaren:

So sorry for type-o's.. I'm not a native speaker

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muns:

ya don't press c , y , cycycycycyccy it'll freeze and hard reboot lol

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muns:

any guru out there want to vnc in and figure it out?

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iamlindoro:

nobody is going to want to VNC in to your machine

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muns:

ok

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muns:

anyone have a working hvr-1600 with mythbuntu 10.04 LTS 0.23 auto-builds fully updated box?

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muns:

someones bound to be here with that same card

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muns:

right bout now i could care less if anyone vnc'd in and did rm -rf /

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muns:

i'll just be on fresh install number 9

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jolaren:

mythweb is all white now after the re-initiation

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jolaren:

hum

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muns:

ok this seriously sux..time to break out the old rabbit ears to see if i can pick up anything

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mzb:

why do I want Miro?

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mzb:

and how is it different from MNV?

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iamlindoro:

Miro downloads RSS feeds, mirobridge inserts them into recordings with their relevant metadata

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jolaren:

wagnerrp: care to link me again to taht site with the backup?

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iamlindoro:

MNV is a conduit to various online-only sources that happens to also allow some basic RSS subscription/parsing/download

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iamlindoro:

When complete, MNV will perform all of Miro and Mirobridge's fucntionality, but at the moment they are different animals entirely

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mzb:

thanks iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

np

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mzb:

iow, if I play with miro now, I'll get an idea of what MNV will (also) incorporate?

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mzb:

s/be capable of

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jolaren:

My recovery process went extremly bad btw :(

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wagnerrp:

this one? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407793#407793

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jolaren:

how do I import former recordings into mythtv

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iamlindoro:

mzb, MNV's primary reason for existing will always be to parse and attractively present online-only media. That it also (because of the grabber output format) does RSS is just a happy coincidence. While MNV will take on those functionalities because we will get them "for free" in the end, it's never going to be the reason it exists

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sphery:

jolaren: drop them in a MythVideo directory

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jolaren:

all thousands of em sphery ?

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sphery:

definitely if there are thousands of them

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iamlindoro:

especially thousands

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mzb:

sure

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sphery:

you can only do imports of recordings on a manual basis

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** mzb installs miro on his workstation to see if he's interested **

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sphery:

using legacy scripts that have bitrotted to the point that they mess up the DB

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jolaren:

all of my recorings are listed in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings

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jolaren:

with the dbupgrade I can no longer see the recordings from within mythtv

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mzb:

err... rats ... that's only 2.5.3

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sphery:

so if you don't want to type in title/subtitle/description/starttime/duration/... for each recording, dump them in MythVideo

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jolaren:

aight

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sphery:

jolaren: were they listed in the recordings /before/ the upgrade?

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sphery:

i.e. did you upgrade the database or did you replace it?

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jolaren:

i replaced it

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jolaren:

from scratch

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sphery:

there's the problem

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sphery:

why replace it, though?

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jolaren:

I don't know really, felt like the right thing to do

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muns:

ok i verified again this card works and does watched reg broadcast stations all choppy with this antenna but hell i had to make sure

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sphery:

well, it's about as right as, "rm -rf $HOME"

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jolaren:

heh

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sphery:

i.e. starting over by throwing away everything

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sphery:

you should probably restore the pre-upgrade backup and use it

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sphery:

then your recordings will still be in recordings

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jolaren:

aight

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sphery:

if you have MythVideo upgraded beyond current, you can use the info at the link wagnerrp gave you: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407793#407793

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jolaren:

mythconverg-1254–20100516024606.sql.gz

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jolaren:

probarbly all good

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sphery:

You'll want to use: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . re.pl_Script

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sphery:

and then http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _backup_file

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sphery:

it's critical that you do the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ing_database part

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wagnerrp:

think janneg would mind me committing this? http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/configure.pythoncheck.patch

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wagnerrp:

basically behaves like the checks for MNV in mythplugins

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sphery:

wagnerrp: thanks for doing the perl ones, too

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wagnerrp:

since theyre right there, might as well

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pyther:

Hi

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sphery:

I'd run it by him before committing, but I'm sure he won't mind

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wagnerrp:

well it should have highlighted for him, ill wait until he notices it

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pyther:

I have a bizarre problem... I have a recording that won't record because it claims there is a conflict but I don't see any confilct. The only thing that is followed to record is on the same channel

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sphery:

pyther: pastebin: mythbackend --printsched 2>&1 | tee schedule.txt

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sphery:

that will drop the output in schedule.txt

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sphery:

then you can pastebin that file

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pyther:

sphery: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/214448/

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sphery:

iamlindoro: wagnerrp: we have a new link we have to get up high in the stats: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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sphery:

they completely reorg'ed the linuxtv wiki, so it's much harder to find info

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jolaren:

Gah this mythtv box is done for

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pyther:

It is supposte to be recording Legend of the Seeker from 9:00 PM to 10:00 PM (66 mins) right now on channel 55_1

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sphery:

pyther: which show? I don't see any conflicts

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sphery:

pyther: there are several "Not Listed" shows

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[R]:

sphery: omg i know... i'm trying to pick out cards for my dad and it's like impossible to find a nice concise list

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sphery:

meanign that you have a timeslot recording rule (which are always evil) and the show isn't on at the time you scheduled

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pyther:

sphery: the show is on right now, It was suppose to record at 21:00 (9:00pm) it is currently 21:19 (9:19pm)

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sphery:

ah, then you'll have to go into Manage Recordings|Previously Recorded and look carefully at the episode and see why it says it isn't recording

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pyther:

in the web ui if I hover over the recording it says there is a conficlct

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sphery:

and what is recording around it

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sphery:

the web UI isn't always the most precise

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sphery:

use the frontend

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sphery:

Also, you need to change your rules so that none of them are Weekslot rules

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pyther:

sphery: ok I'll look, but this is the only two shows scheduled today

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sphery:

they should all be Any time on any channel rules

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jolaren:

sphery: I get cannot login now when tryin to open teh frontend

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jolaren:

sights

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pyther:

sphery: but I don't want old reruns :-/

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sphery:

pyther: then set up your recording rule to say so

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sphery:

pyther: there's "New episodes only" and "Exclude repeats"

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sphery:

2 different approaches you should use

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sphery:

/never/ use a timeslot rule

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iamlindoro:

If only there were a long, detailed treatise on scheduling somewhere

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pyther:

sphery: Legend of the Seeker 9:00PM-10:00PM Bones: 10:00PM-11:00PM both on channel 55_1

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sphery:

as it gives you the problems you're having with Undercover Boss, The Big Bang Theory, Shark Tank, Sons of Tucson

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iamlindoro:

oh yeah, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html

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pyther:

sphery: ok, I'll fix it

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sphery:

i.e. they air at a time that's not the same (moved around by a minute or so), so they don't record

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sphery:

and missing The Big Bang Theory would be tragic

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sphery:

(I like that show a lot)

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pyther:

but still bugs me considering it was working fine before

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pyther:

meh at least I was home to catch the mistake

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pyther:

live and learn, right?

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iamlindoro:

Myth didn't fail you, you failed myth ;)

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sphery:

it takes a while to get used to the MythTV scheduler

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pyther:

iamlindoro: myth failed me the same setup worked fine last week and for the last 8 weeks!

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sphery:

most people have unwanted baggage they don't realize they're carrying

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sphery:

either the VCR-type thinking or "TiVo" or "Cable-co-DVR" think

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iamlindoro:

pyther, you set up a restrictive scheduling type such that when the scheduling changed slightly, it no longer met the criterion you set for it

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iamlindoro:

It's not myth's fault it did what you told it to do ;)

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sphery:

oh, and that's ignoring the Live TV/channel-surfing think, which many people never let go of

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sphery:

pyther: and I would guess that's exactly why it didn't record this episode

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pyther:

sphery: why did it not record?

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sphery:

and I'll bet that if you look in Previously Recorded, you'll get some reason other than Conflict (such as Not Listed)

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jolaren:

./mythconverg_restore.pl --filename mythconverg-1214–20080626150513.sql.gz gives me "The Database does not exist."

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pyther:

I thought I could record two shows at once if they were on the same channel or channel subset

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sphery:

because it didn't air at the same time and you had a time slot recording rule

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sphery:

but only if the show matches the recording rule

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sphery:

and with time slot, they often don't

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sphery:

jolaren: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ial_database

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sphery:

jolaren: also, note that if you have invalid DB password, it will probably give the same error

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sphery:

i.e. "Note that the mc.sql script will create a user named mythtv using the password mythtv for the hostname localhost. If you had used a different password for your configuration, you will need to reset the password. Therefore in Mythbuntu you have to reset the MySQL password to the password defined in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt as DBPassword=XXX. First open MySQL"

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pyther:

sphery: okay, well I fix my recording rules, is it okay to do a rule of any time on a specific channel?

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sphery:

pyther: that's better, but when your channel callsigns (or channel ID's) change, it will break every single recording rule

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sphery:

i.e. when you rescan channels

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sphery:

any channel is best

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sphery:

Every single one of my recording rules is an anytime/any channel rule

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sphery:

all 111 of them

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pyther:

sphery: okay, well I don't think there is 111 shows I want to record an OTA tv :P

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iamlindoro:

sphery is using OTA

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iamlindoro:

so I guess there are 111 shows *he* wants to watch via OTA

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sphery:

:)

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pyther:

Haha

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sphery:

or at least 111 shows that I might possibly want to watch at sometime (but a bunch of which I'll delete without watching)

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sphery:

i.e. if you're only recording things you know you want to watch, you're not doing it right ;)

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[R]:

an idle tuner is a wasted tuner

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[R]:

that's what i always say

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[R]:

haha

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muns:

yup mine been idle for week and half

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jolaren:

sphery: God I wish I could pull a windows now with a system restore ;P

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sphery:

[R]: and, likewise, unused storage is wasted storage

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muns:

i'm debating if i should d/l the old versions and rework the kernels and such

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sphery:

jolaren: heh, but think of how much you're learning

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muns:

i have no problem "testing" just to get it to work

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sphery:

next upgrade will be a snap

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[R]:

sphery: but what about newly expanded storage that is on it's way to being filled? haha

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sphery:

[R]: true... it will take some time to fill it

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[R]:

i just got a 1.5tb

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sphery:

nice

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[R]:

$80

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[R]:

freakin amazin

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sphery:

newegg has a Hitachi 2TB on sale for $119.99 now ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145298 ) with promo code EMCYSZR28

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[R]:

that's 6 cents/gb though

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sphery:

for anyone else considering an upgrade of storage

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[R]:

i've seen 5 for 2tb

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sphery:

yeah, they've gone up, but this shows its starting to come back down

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sphery:

I got my 2 2TB's for $119 a long time ago, then they've been up in the $139 range on sale for a long time now

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sphery:

As soon as the 3TB's come to the consumer models, the 2TB's should drop nicely

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jolaren:

sphery: I never intented to learn this way so I guess

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[R]:

this guy at my work just got 4 2tbs, i forget how much they were

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jolaren:

I'm panicing that I cant seem to recover and I have like 3 tb of recordings beeing lost

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muns:

anyway to get this timed out, issue while scanning to go away? i even tried increasing the scan settings under the capture card section and set it to outrageous amount just to mess wit it and still timeout

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muns:

QAM-64 Channel 92 — Timed out, 2 possible channels

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[R]:

you're sure there is something on channel 92?

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[R]:

with QAM64

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muns:

nope not sure

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sphery:

QAM256 is much more likely

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muns:

nope

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[R]:

he lives in bumfsck

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muns:

this is some rinkydink cable company

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muns:

yup yup

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sphery:

I'd still try 256 first

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muns:

sphery i've done every setting in there

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muns:

all timed out

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muns:

like i said been doin this for week an half

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clever:

which class::function in mythtv deals with (re)loading the theme?

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jolaren:

sphery: if the restoring fails, what are my last options?

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jolaren:

cuz this is going real – real bad

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sphery:

jolaren: restoring shouldn't fail

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sphery:

what's the issue?

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jolaren:

I get loads of errors

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sphery:

what errors?

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jolaren:

The database oes not exist

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sphery:

did you fix password?

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sphery:

did you run mc.sql?

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sphery:

(in the opposite order, though)

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jolaren:

uhm yeah

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sphery:

jolaren: run the restore script with --verbose

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jolaren:

unable to connect to database, but i'm sure i've fixed the password

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sphery:

jolaren: pastebin all the output of the restore script, please

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sphery:

with the --verbose

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jolaren:

sphery: http://pastebin.org/241363

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sphery:

jolaren: and the password you used it the same one in ~/.mythtv/config.xml

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sphery:

jolaren: the XXX just means there's a password provided. The --verbose doesn't show it so that it's safe to pastebin the output

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sphery:

maybe I should change that to (provided)

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sphery:

or similar

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jolaren:

sphery: EE1BlqhK is teh passwordl iste in config and also the one listed in hte bottom of the output i pasted

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jolaren:

but i don't know about the "XXX" that is listed

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sphery:

XXX just says it got a password

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sphery:

jolaren: so, if you do: mysql -h<IP address> -umythtv -p mythconverg

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sphery:

and then type in the password, does it connect?

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sphery:

I'm guessing no

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muns:

so everyone in US switched to digital right?

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sphery:

probably because there's a more-specific GRANT that's blocking the one you were using

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muns:

so i shouldn't mess with analog

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sphery:

muns: OTA... cable hasn't necessarily

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wagnerrp:

muns: broadcast, yes

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sphery:

though many have

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jolaren:

sphery: ERROR 1049 (42000): Unknown database 'mythconverg'

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wagnerrp:

heh, thats bad

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muns:

hmm

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muns:

ok i have both coax via splitter connected to this darn card and still no work haha i'll keep at it

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sphery:

jolaren: then you haven't created the initial DB

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wagnerrp:

muns: how many devices do you have currently connected to that cable?

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muns:

just this card

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muns:

errr modem and then amp then card in puter

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sphery:

jolaren: run this by pasting into a shell: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/kfAUbG1Y

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sphery:

jolaren: then you should be able to run the restore script

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muns:

3 way outside which on 3way the highest signal path is to this cable here which splits on 2way to modem then from other side to amp then split via 2way to analog and digital on card

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sphery:

and you've properly terminated all the unused connections?

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muns:

i've also bypassed first 2way and put straight into card tested that way and still no go so i bought amp and still no go

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sphery:

though my recommendation would be to remove all splitters for initial setup

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sphery:

go direct with the line from the cable co

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sphery:

otherwise, you're likely to waste days trying to get it to work only to find out that the whole problem is signal quality caused by improper/over splitting

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muns:

line from cable company i only lose -3.5db from 3way splitter outside so its best signal path

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sphery:

well, it's your days

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muns:

yup yup been many days lol

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sphery:

If you like to leave in the variables, it's your call :)

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muns:

works juuust fine on all my tv's

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jolaren:

sphery: now it said

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jolaren:

Successfully restored backup.

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sphery:

then time to start mythtv-setup

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muns:

well i guess i can knock on the cable guys door that lives in the apt complex let him know i'm toying around in my box outside...and see if i can borrow his meter

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jolaren:

oh this is like a really really old backup I guess

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jolaren:

sphery: :P

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jolaren:

tv scheme 1244 wants to upgrae to 1254

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muns:

used to work for the company like 8 months ago before i started school...reason i know this cable sux cuz i was tech and know but i know my signal qual is "ok" for this area hell i am one that fixed it

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sphery:

jolaren: that's good, let it go

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jolaren:

aight and now what?

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sphery:

now exit mythtv-setup, start mythbackend, start mythfrontend, upgrade plugin schema, then enjoy

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sphery:

btw, you didn't change your hostname or IP address, did you?

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sphery:

i.e. it's the same on this host as it was on your previous host

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sphery:

(previous version of MythTV)

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muns:

and i can't remember what they were goin to 256 or 128 and i knew we weren't prepared at all with all these leaks and such but small crew came in and maybe changed some stuff around so not sure if all 256 or some still on 128 or 64

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muns:

thats why i done triend em all

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jolaren:

sphery: all good now but I've lost recordings, can I import them somehow?

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jolaren:

latest recording shown here is from 20 mars

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jolaren:

sphery: any clue?

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sphery:

jolaren: but you imported a backup from May 16?

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sphery:

mythconverg-1254–20100516024606.sql.gz

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sphery:

you have all the recordings you had in the backup you imported

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sphery:

if you've lost any recordings, they were created after the backup was made

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jolaren:

Oh ffs I ran the wrong converg

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sphery:

that's the only way you can lose them

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sphery:

chose the wrong backup file?

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jolaren:

yeah tabbe

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jolaren:

d

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sphery:

ahhh

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sphery:

ah, yeah: ./mythconverg_restore.pl --filename mythconverg-1214–20080626150513.sql.gz

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sphery:

that's an old one--2008 :)

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sphery:

jolaren: just do the drop/create from the pastebin, then restore the proper one

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sphery:

jolaren: and make sure you shut down mythbackend/mythfrontend first

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jolaren:

sight

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jolaren:

I cannot find teh one from teh 16th of may now but I can find one from the 11th

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jolaren:

grr

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sphery:

well, that would only be 5 days of lost recordings

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sphery:

that you could drop in mythvideo

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sphery:

and watch

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sphery:

and then re-record

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jolaren:

hm

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jolaren:

ah here it is

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jolaren:

mythconverg-1254–20100516024606.sql.gz

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jolaren:

can't find it when running locate tho

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sphery:

probably created after your last updatedb run (for the locate DB, not MySQL DB stuff :)

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sphery:

jolaren: is it a backup that /you/ made?

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sphery:

since that's schema 1254, it's the 0.23-fixes schema

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sphery:

so that might be your "empty" database

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sphery:

i.e. compare size with one that you know has a lot of recordings

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jolaren:

./mythconverg_restore.pl --directory /var/lib/mythtv/recordings --filename mythconverg-1254–20100516024606.sql.gz --verbose

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jolaren:

ERROR: Unable to do a full restore. The database contains data.

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jolaren:

gonna fix taht again

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sphery:

you didn't do the drop/create

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sphery:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/kfAUbG1Y

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jolaren:

last time I ever touch

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jolaren:

this

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gsun:

hi, is it possible for multiple frontends to receive live tv feed from a backend that has just one HD PVR connected to satellite dish. the frontends have graphics card with tv out

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gsun:

or can they only receive recorded video?

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sphery:

gsun: only one recording can occur at a time

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sphery:

as many frontends as desired may watch any recording

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gsun:

sphery: simultaneously?

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sphery:

so start recording, then on other frontends, Watch Recordings and play back the recording in progress

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

it won't be synchronized, and each can pause/play/ffwd/rew independently

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sphery:

but that means each frontend is control of its own viewing

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sphery:

and Live TV is in fact recordings

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gsun:

sphery: can the recordings be played as they are being recorded, say with a 5 sec lag... to feel like live tv with small lag?

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sphery:

but you have to explicitly show Live TV recordings in Watch Recordings, so it's usually easiest to use normal recordings

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sphery:

gsun: yep

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gsun:

sphery: with independent control at each frontend, allowing switching channels

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gsun:

?

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sphery:

nope, only the frontend in Live TV can control the recorder

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sphery:

all other frontends are watching recordings

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sphery:

and when the Live TV frontend changes the channel, all the other frontends will hit the end of the other recording

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sphery:

then will have to go find the new recording

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sphery:

so, again, real recordings are easiest

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gsun:

so in order to have live tv on frontends i'll need a pvr on all of em?

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sphery:

gsun: you actually need one "tuner" (set-top box + HD-PVR) for each Live TV user who wants to control channel changes, etc)

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sphery:

plus, anyone using Live TV is preventing mythbackend from using that tuner for recordings

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sphery:

meaning that really, you should never use Live TV

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iamlindoro:

and those would go on the backend, not individual frontends

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sphery:

a.k.a. Waste-Your-Life TV

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gsun:

sphery: i get it...

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jolaren:

who watches live tv anyways? if its not soccer or hockey

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sphery:

and, yeah, capture devices are backend, not frontend things

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sphery:

jolaren: even soccer and hockey should be recorded :)

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jolaren:

yer for future refs

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jolaren:

but I mean

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jolaren:

you want it live

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iamlindoro:

So set it to record and watch it

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clever:

jolaren: then watch the recording as it records

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clever:

yep

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iamlindoro:

while it records

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sphery:

jolaren: why you don't want it live: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/387302#387302

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sphery:

exactly

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jolaren:

oh yeah, I guess I define "live-tv" wrong

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jolaren:

I mean recording while watchin ofcourse

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jolaren:

to jump back and forth

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jolaren:

Heh..

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sphery:

yeah, that's the way to go

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jolaren:

Yer I'm super annoyed now

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jolaren:

the 1003 more than 1032 error is back

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jolaren:

and ima leave it like that

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jolaren:

this stressed the h-ll out of me

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sphery:

jolaren: that's the MythVideo error?

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jolaren:

when opening mythfrontend

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jolaren:

I get that error

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iamlindoro:

So you restored a copy of the database from after you upgraded mythvideo to trunk

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sphery:

paste the error out of the frontend log, please

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jolaren:

iamlindoro: yes, exactly

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sphery:

if it's what iamlindoro said, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407793#407793 will fix it

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iamlindoro:

Do what sphery advises, drop your MV tables

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iamlindoro:

You'll need to recreate your metadata, but it will at elast work

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sphery:

then rescan, use Jamu, and you're back in business

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jolaren:

I've loaded like 3 different db recoverys now ;/

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jolaren:

Can't I upgrade my db to the other version then?

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sphery:

jolaren: if all that's broken is mythvideo, it's really easy to fix

[02:35:01]

sphery:

there's no downgrade

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sphery:

and the version your database is at is a trunk version

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jolaren:

Everything works except Miro

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sphery:

and mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

I really think we've given you all the assistance that is appropriate to give

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407793#407793

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jolaren:

agreed iamlindoro

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sphery:

solution

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sphery:

if you don't want the solution, that's your choice

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sphery:

feel free to do without MythVideo

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iamlindoro:

But there are no more solutions that we're hiding from you

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jolaren:

will waiting it out work?

[02:36:31]

jolaren:

thats a hidden solution i guess

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iamlindoro:

if you want to wait until November to use Mythvideo when you go to .24, sure

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jolaren:

great

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sphery:

jolaren: or just http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407793#407793

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sphery:

I'm positive that jamu will complete before nov

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iamlindoro:

Please god do as he suggests

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sphery:

it seems you're the only person who thinks that will be a difficult thing

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jolaren:

thats what i've been doin a few times now already sphery

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iamlindoro:

because now there are three of us wasting time and it's only getting worse

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iamlindoro:

no, you haven't

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jolaren:

i recovered 3 different db backups

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sphery:

you've been dropping the whole DB

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iamlindoro:

And that's not what's suggested in that thread

[02:38:12]

sphery:

that post resets the MythVideo schema

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sphery:

/big/ difference

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jolaren:

and you want me to do a recovery?

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sphery:

no

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iamlindoro:

You could at least read it before telling us you had done it

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sphery:

I want you to do http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407793#407793

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iamlindoro:

I want you to do it too

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iamlindoro:

so very badly

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jolaren:

I see now what your talkin about

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jolaren:

The bottom part of the post was not displayed to me

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gsun:

sphery: assuming there is one backend (dth STB + HD DVR) and multiple frontends with graphics card and tv-out, is it possible to a)on the backend record every show thats playing on all channels. b)have some kinda 'what's playing now' interface on each frontend where the recordings are served with say a 5–10 sec lag, allowing independent switching, (pause,rewind not reqd.)

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[R]:

gsun: the hdpvr can record 1 thing at a time

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iamlindoro:

gsun, You would need a set top box + HD-PVR per channel you wish to record at once

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sphery:

gsun: With a Hauppauge HD-PVR, you can record exactly one channel (and doing so requires a set top box).

[02:50:14]

sphery:

so, yeah...

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sphery:

too slow

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gsun:

sphery: ok

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sphery:

gsun: note, also, that if you're talking about some kind of box your cable or satellite company calls an "HD DVR", it won't be helpful for MythTV, except as a tuner

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sphery:

to connect to an HD-PVR

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stevarino:

Hey all, slightly ot question: is there a way to wake my projector from standby? Does hdmi offer a way or should I just use a USB ir-tx?

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sphery:

i.e. MythTV is software that runs on a normal computer and does not run on any cable or satellite company DVR boxes

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[R]:

stevarino: what's making it goto sleep?

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gsun:

sphery: i get it, myth-tv is excellent for streaming content but it's kinda polar opp. of live tv, i mean it kinda defeats the purpose of live tv

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[R]:

gsun: huh?

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[R]:

gsun: you can use myth for livetv just fine...

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stevarino:

Inactivity, the computer turns off the display, which I don't mind. It's having to mess with the projector remote to turn it back on.

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sphery:

gsun: actually, it makes Live TV useless because you have something much better

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sphery:

but, yeah, basically

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[R]:

stevarino: sounds like DPMS

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gsun:

sphery: thanks,

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gsun:

that's what i meant

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[R]:

stevarino: xset can turn it back on

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gsun:

i was directed towards mythtv from a client im doing a voip install for, he was wondering what use could be made of mythtv...

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[R]:

gsun: myth is a DVR

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gsun:

its a hotel, so i guess streaming movies etc. would be my best use of mythtv

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[R]:

its use is to record stuff

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wagnerrp:

there are a couple people who have come in here intending to do mythtv installs for a hotel/hospital/school

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jolaren:

sphery: iamlindoro wagnerrp; I understand you guys are extremly happy now, it has been solved

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jolaren:

:p

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jolaren:

Finally I can sleep

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sphery:

jolaren: great, enjoy

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wagnerrp:

most of them think it will be a cheap solution

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wagnerrp:

and dont realize real commercial solutions are expensive for a reason

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sphery:

gsun: yeah, the biggest problem you'll have trying to use MythTV (a recorder/time shifting application) is that it will likely be a copyright violation

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gsun:

wagnerrp: im certainly setting this up for my home though

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stevarino:

[R]: The projector is going to standby on loss of signal due to the comp being inactive. I'm okay with that, I just want a way to automate powering on the projector when the comp wakes.

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wagnerrp:

home use is not a problem

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sphery:

i.e. you wouldn't have rights to record/store/play back for paying customers of the hotel shows

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gsun:

i was (mis)directed here

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ezzieyguywuf:

If I plug my coax cable straight into my tv (sony xbr3) and get a bunch of channels, is it safe to assume that I'll be able to record these channels via mythtv in some way without the use of my cable companie's box?

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gsun:

:)

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jolaren:

gsun: do it =) it changed my entire tv view

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jolaren:

or my view on tv

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wagnerrp:

right, the fair use stuff applies to personal use only

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wagnerrp:

commercial users need a license

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[R]:

[07:54:38] [R] stevarino: sounds like DPMS

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sphery:

gsun: but, on the bright side, now that you know about it, you can set it up in your house for your own use :)

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[R]:

[07:54:46] [R] stevarino: xset can turn it back on

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gsun:

jolaren: i hardly watch tv, but this'll gimme a reason to watch it now it seems....

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[R]:

ezzieyguywuf: yes

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gsun:

cz my complains mostly been "nothing ever comes on tv when i put it on"

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gsun:

;)

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stevarino:

[R]: Really? Xset is part of dpms?

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[R]:

stevarino: dpms isn't a "thing" that a program is a part of

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ezzieyguywuf:

[R]: and what hardware exactly exactly would I need to capture these channels, particularly the digital ones.

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[R]:

ezzieyguywuf: any QAM tuner that is supported by linux to capture the digitals, any NTSC tuner that is supposed by linux (preferably with an mpeg encoder) for the analogs

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stevarino:

It's a protocol I imagine?

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gsun:

sphery: [R] jolaren thanks for clearing things, i can sleep now :)... i'll be back here soon, as and when i begin my living room install

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ezzieyguywuf:

[R]: how do I know if a channel is digital or analog? I just found a neat "diagnostic" screen on my tv that gives me info about the channel, i.e. it says qam-256 for some (i've only looked at a few). is this useful?

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[R]:

ezzieyguywuf: qam is digital

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ezzieyguywuf:

[R]: also, why wouldn't the qam tuner need an mpeg encoder? it just records the straight 0's and 1's? I'm guessing this is not processor-intensive.

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[R]:

ezzieyguywuf: digital channels are mpeg2... yo'ure just recording the mpeg stream

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[R]:

analog channels need to be encoded into digital

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sphery:

wagnerrp: we're doing it wrong: http://www.instructables.com/community/DIY-DVR-PVR-/

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wagnerrp:

oh, so you DONT want fancy UIs and expandability?

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sphery:

no

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[R]:

"but the real deal"

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[R]:

haha

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sphery:

and I have to admit he's right, "I really really like the look of the XVID codec."

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sphery:

"I want Xvid. MPEG2 is huge. Its also kinda ugly"

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wagnerrp:

i like how in 2007, hes planning on using IDE drives

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sphery:

see LasVegas's comment

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wagnerrp:

i havent bought an IDE drive since at least 2004

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ezzieyguywuf:

so with my cable box, I get a lot of channels in sd as well as in hd. the sd channels are like, 0–77 and I get these when I plug the coax straight into the tv. is there a way to get the hd equivalents without the box? I am not paying extra for the channels, as they come with the "basic cable" package, but maybe the cable co scrambles the hd channels for some reason?

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[R]:

ezzieyguywuf: if your tv can't pick them up, no

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sphery:

wagnerrp: and it seems that there's no need for software, or schedulers or listings or ...

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ezzieyguywuf:

would it be pretty easy to call the cable co and ask them "what channels will I get without your box"?

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[R]:

ezzieyguywuf: no

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ezzieyguywuf:

or will they be "not very helpful" with that

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sphery:

just xvid codec, IDE drives, and Freescale procs, and uclinux

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[R]:

ezzieyguywuf: how hard is it to plug the tv in do a scan and look

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[R]:

?

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[R]:

sphery: brilliant!

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sphery:

yeah, I've wasted so much time going down the wrong path

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sphery:

it's embarrassing

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ezzieyguywuf:

[R]: I got the scan, but theres like 100+ channels found. I have to manually sift through all of them to find the goods? I mean, I know for example 5.1 on my tv equals 250 on the box.

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[R]:

ezzieyguywuf: ok well...

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ezzieyguywuf:

also, I guess the cable co can turn my cable on/off, but if I'm getting all these channels without the box, is it safe to assume that I would still have the same channels even if I paid for their lowest tier, i.e. 10.99/mo

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[R]:

they can change it at any point in time

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ezzieyguywuf:

change what exactly.

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[R]:

the channels

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[R]:

if its encrypted or not

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[R]:

if they evne exist

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[R]:

etc

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[R]:

you can never assume anything about cable companies

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[R]:

and if you drop a tier, they might install a filter

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[R]:

or something stupid like that

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ezzieyguywuf:

[R]: they would have to physicalls come out here to do that though, correct?

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[R]:

and?

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ezzieyguywuf:

*physically

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ezzieyguywuf:

just wondering

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clever:

ezzieyguywuf: they could just flip encryption on at the central office without even getting out of there chair

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clever:

aslong as they feed the right keys to autorized STB's it would be transparent to the paying user

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jolaren:

So what should I do with the recordings not listed in MythTv now? It's not so many .. like 150 or so

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jolaren:

I want them removed or added, is that possible?

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ezzieyguywuf:

so I've used www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels that website to find a list of all the QAM channels in my area. Is there a way to tranlate the, say, WUNC to CBS etc?

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[R]:

ezzieyguywuf: huh? WUNC?

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ezzieyguywuf:

WUNCDT is what it says under "name" for channel 25–3

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[R]:

you dont know your own channels?

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ezzieyguywuf:

I tune to "virtual" 4.1 (whatever that means, this is all greek to me)

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[R]:

whats to "translate"?

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ezzieyguywuf:

[R]: no I don't. I'm asking if there is a reference I can refer to.

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[R]:

you usually can google a channels callsign

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[R]:

and figure it out

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ezzieyguywuf:

I only know "abc", "cbs", "usa", etc.

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ezzieyguywuf:

ah ok. thank you.

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ezzieyguywuf:

and from what I understand, I will need to pay for channel listings in mythtv correct?

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[R]:

no

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[R]:

myth doesn't provide listings

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[R]:

myth can use external listings

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[R]:

and in the us, there is schedules direct

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iamlindoro:

ezzieyguywuf, which is a way of saying, "yes, you are correct."

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ezzieyguywuf:

ok thanks.

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jolaren:

sphery: I still cant get miro to work, look now

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jolaren:

http://pastebin.org/241398

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iamlindoro:

jolaren, sphery doesn't use mirobridge

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iamlindoro:

(and it's a little impolite to latch on to whomever helps you for every request after that)

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ezzieyguywuf:

*sigh* if I didn't have such a big tv, hd wouldn't be as much of a necessity. As it stands though, I can't convince myself that myth is a reasonable alternative to my stb, as in order to get all the channels I want in HD (which is pretty much a requirement for any shows that I want to actually enjoy) seems to me to not be cost effective at all given my current hardware.

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iamlindoro:

You are trying to run mirobridge from a remote system

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iamlindoro:

read the wiki page

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_abbenormal:

hey iamlindoro

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jolaren:

iamlindoro: I agree and I apologize. I'll take this some other day. It was just that this entire issue started with me not havin miro bridge workin

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jolaren:

Thanks for tonight, laters

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iamlindoro:

jolaren, The minimum you need to do is read the documentation

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iamlindoro:

as your issue is literally listed there verbatim with the solution

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iamlindoro:

It would be really helpful if you would at least try to carefully follow the instructions before relying on others (just my opinion)

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iamlindoro:

_abbenormal, hey there

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_abbenormal:

good rule to go by is to read then try what is there if that gets you no where then ask but read first

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_abbenormal:

so hows it going iamlindoro

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[R]:

ezzieyguywuf: but myth is better than your crappy stb

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ezzieyguywuf:

[R]: I haven't tried it, but from all appearances I would probably agree with you. But even with an awesome DVR, a video that is unwatchable is no good to me.

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ezzieyguywuf:

I AM using my cable companie's DVR. But it's not awesome.

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wagnerrp:

$1 domains at godaddy, if anyone wants one for mythweb

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[R]:

ezzieyguywuf: unwatchable?

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mzb:

whey is mirobridge expecting to find miro?

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mzb:

s/where

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wagnerrp:

probably in path

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mzb:

ah, yep ... assume that ... but the whole thing?

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Bumblebeebat:

Hey Everyone, its my first time here

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: are you referring to the .info ones?

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wagnerrp:

info what?

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wagnerrp:

oh, no... .com

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mzb:

dm ... I'll figure it out

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wagnerrp:

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2026432

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah sorry for being a bit vague i am not seeing the sale

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Shadow__X:

thanks

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mzb:

hmm, I've now installed miro to /usr/local ... but mirobridge still can't find it

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** mzb reads the error output with _both_ eyes this time **

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wagnerrp:

bah... $1 only works for new domains, not renewals

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mzb:

...error(locale not initialized)

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wagnerrp:

got me hooked, and now theyre cranking up the price

[04:03:31]

mzb:

but my locale settings are as per the wiki

[04:03:32]

wagnerrp:

used to be $8, now its a whole $10/yr

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mzb:

ie: LANG=en_AU.UTF-8

[04:03:48]

wagnerrp:

$10 to them, $20 to SD, people are bleeding me dry

[04:04:35]

wagnerrp:

ill have to pack lunch three... no, four days this year

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mzb:

just odd ... miro works fine

[04:06:42]

Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: its a conspiracy

[04:07:16]

Bumblebeebat:

Can anyone help me out, I love Mythtv and have been using it for a year or two. I bought two HD-PVR's and connected them to my two Starchoice HD (satellite service in Canada) boxes (connected via component/optical). Everything is awesome except for one small thing. The audio stream always (about 60%-70% of the time) drops halfway through recording an movie. This typically happens while recording a movie with a 5.1 track. I have tried updating the

[04:07:16]

Bumblebeebat:

firmware. I have tried adding a laptop cooler. Nothing seems to work. I am about ready to pull my hair out. If anyone can help me I would be so happy. Apologies if I do not know proper IRC etiquette, this is my first time using.

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mzb:

failing on "gtcache.init()"

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Bumblebeebat:

I have not seen that error

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wagnerrp:

mzb: got a line number?

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** mzb deletes his code **

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wagnerrp:

mzb: were you the one who wrote the pre-postroll stuff for X10?

[04:13:15]

mzb:

err, yes

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mzb:

328: gtcache.init()

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wagnerrp:

ever get a chance to migrate that to the event system?

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mzb:

not yet ... I have to finish the computer room first (all the X10 stuff is unplugged)

[04:14:18]

mzb:

however I _do_ plan to do that

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wagnerrp:

ah, just curious to how well it worked

[04:14:41]

mzb:

I can show you a video ;)

[04:14:49]

wagnerrp:

i mean the event system stuff

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wagnerrp:

(if you had done so)

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mzb:

ah

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mzb:

ok, thought you meant how good the effect is

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wagnerrp:

as far as i can tell almost no one is using it, although it is fairly new

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wagnerrp:

only one new script added to the category... http://mythtv.org/wiki/Category:MythTV_System_Event_Scripts

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** wagnerrp apologizes for the shameless plug for new scripts **

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wagnerrp:

:P

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mzb:

ok, I get the idea ... should be fairly trivial to get that up and running

[04:19:13]

mzb:

should be able (allowed) to get that done in <month)

[04:19:59]

mzb:

she's worked out that "her" loune will be computer/junk free once the computer room is finished ;)

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mzb:

s/lounge

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mzb:

hmm ... I've tried exporting/unsetting LC_ALL to no effect

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mzb:

when miro is started, I note: 2010-05–16 14:22:58,144 INFO Language: [('LC_ALL', 'en_AU.UTF-8'), ('LANG', 'en_AU.UTF-8')]

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mzb:

then unset LC_ALL and get: 2010-05–16 14:23:57,243 INFO Language: [('LANG', 'en_AU.UTF-8')]

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wagnerrp:

no rush, was just going to suggest putting it up there if you already had it working

[04:25:36]

wagnerrp:

well either way, it should access [0]

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wagnerrp:

i doubt that would make a difference

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mzb:

yep, just making sure

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mzb:

I've changed some settings in preferences (for the sake of it), and now downloading a small video

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wagnerrp:

so you have the miro python bindings installed, its just failing when trying to initialize them?

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mzb:

I guess so

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wagnerrp:

run that command locally

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wagnerrp:

open 'python' in the terminal

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wagnerrp:

and run 'from miro import gtcache; gtcache.init()'

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mzb:

ah ... errr ... ok

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mzb:

File "usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/miro/gtcache.py", line 47, in init

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mzb:

Exception: locale not initialized

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mzb:

err

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mzb:

doesn't exist

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mzb:

(no leading /)

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mzb:

(if that counts)

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wagnerrp:

odd... it should have the leading /

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wagnerrp:

but obviously it exists or else python couldnt have loaded

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mzb:

probably my hack of the Makefile

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wagnerrp:

nah, thats completely independent of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

unless you hacked up the Miro makefile

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mzb:

yes

[04:33:00]

wagnerrp:

even still, Miro probably couldnt cause that

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wagnerrp:

since youre not touching Miro, just python

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mzb:

I changed prefix = /usr/local

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mzb:

and --root=/

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mzb:

ps: I am ssh =X'd into the box

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mzb:

got it

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mzb:

prior to gtcache.init you need: from miro.plat import utils

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mzb:

utils.initialize_locale()

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bcgrown:

hi everyone

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Nixon:

<everyone> Hello bcgrown!

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bcgrown:

wut

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bcgrown:

hi everyone?

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wagnerrp:

dont mind him, just a bot

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bcgrown:

lol

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mzb:

2010-05–16 14:45:50,383 – mirobridge – INFO – The environment test passed !

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mzb:

maybe my microbridge is a bit old ;)

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** mzb vows to update mythboxen if/when recordings stop! **

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bcgrown:

is anyone else using 0.23 able to enter a year when importing (ripping) a CD? it's always blank when I do a "scan cd" even though the other metadata is found. if i try to enter the year, my cursor gets "stuck" in the year box

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iamlindoro:

bcgrown, The stuck issue was fixed even before .23 was officially released, you need to update to current fixes (or at least to the release)

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bcgrown:

i'm on mythbuntu 10.04 and an apt-get upgrade doesn't show any mythtv updates

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iamlindoro:

because 10.04 went out with a pre-release

[04:52:37]

iamlindoro:

install mythbuntu's auto-builds and update/upgrade

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bcgrown:

from what i've read, the auto-builds sometimes break things in a major way. i don't want that to happen...

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iamlindoro:

you've read reports from morons

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bcgrown:

lol

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iamlindoro:

Or people who did something stupid by setting themselves up to upgrade to trunk

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iamlindoro:

the auto-builds *only* contain the bug fixes that we apply to MythTV

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bcgrown:

ok

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bcgrown:

do you know if there's also been a fix for the CD ripping screen complaining about permissions when it shouldn't?

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iamlindoro:

Doesn't sound like a myth bug to me, sounds like a config issue

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bcgrown:

but the thing is, i've ripped a whole bunch of CDs to the exact same idr

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bcgrown:

*dir

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bcgrown:

no complaints

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iamlindoro:

I've ripped many many CDs in myth, never had an issue with permissions-- but my config is correct too ;)

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bcgrown:

what's wrong with my config then? which user needs write permission to the output dir?

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iamlindoro:

Can't guess, no psychic powers

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bcgrown:

... the same user that runs the frontend, right?

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iamlindoro:

in theory, yes

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bcgrown:

what do you mean "in theory?"

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iamlindoro:

I mean the output of files will require the user of the FE to have write permissions, but that is not guaranteed to be the only thing that is written, nor can I promise without double checking the code that an intermediate directory is not used for ripping, nor can I promise that some other metadata file is not written or may have been written by some other user and stuck there, thus causing permissions errors

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iamlindoro:

so there are too many variables for me to break it down to "your frontend user having write permissions to the output directory is enough."

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bcgrown:

just to make sure i don't screw up, is this what I want: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds ?

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bcgrown:

"activate auto builds" ?

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iamlindoro:

yes, that's what you want

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bcgrown:

ok

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iamlindoro:

I fixed that bug in fixes in r24313, but the autobuilds should give you somewhere around r24678, so even more fixy goodness

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bcgrown:

awesome

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bcgrown:

will the year be grabbed from the metadata after the fix, or do i still have to enter it manually?

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bcgrown:

0.24=trunk? i want autobuilds to update to 0.23, i'm guessing?

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iamlindoro:

correct, their .24 packages follow trunk and then seamless transition to .24 when it comes out, and you want the .23 packages

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bcgrown:

and how safe is the testing ppa?

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iamlindoro:

I couldn't tell you, but to keep it simple I would *just* activate the myth auto-builds

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bcgrown:

ok

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iamlindoro:

since their testing PPA is all their other corollary/non-myth stuff and I could see how *that* would cause problems if it was funky

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bcgrown:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

if you just go for the myth auto-builds, you will only get fixes that we myth devs personally apply to .23

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iamlindoro:

(which makes it a lot easier for us to support you)

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wagnerrp:

the mailing list archives really have some choice threads

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iamlindoro:

Trying to erase something from the internet is beyond silly

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iamlindoro:

Like chasing your own tail

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wagnerrp:

well there are at least half a dozen archives that ive come across

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wagnerrp:

i would hope anyone who came across that wouldnt take it seriously anyway

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iamlindoro:

it sounds like it was written by a crazy person, so yeah

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wagnerrp:

hey, look at that.... my local archive actually goes back that far

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bcgrown:

Do I just use a \ to escape spaces in paths in mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

escape for what purpose?

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bsterne:

wagnerrp: have you heard of any problems with mythweb after 0.21 to 0.23-fixes upgrade?

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wagnerrp:

mythweb should work just fine

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: so that the path works.. i.e. /my/path/has spaces/

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bsterne:

wagnerrp: I get Error MythWeb now requires use of the Videos Storage Group

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wagnerrp:

that sort of path should work, no escaping needed

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bsterne:

I didn't get many hits searching for that message

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wagnerrp:

and that error says exactly what it means

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wagnerrp:

if you want to access videos in mythweb, you need to use storage groups

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clever_:

which class::function in mythtv deals with loading of the theme?

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bsterne:

wagnerrp: and those can only be added via the frontend?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, there is an open bug against MythWeb for third-level directories and with UTF-8 characters

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iamlindoro:

two bugs, one for each, actually

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wagnerrp:

no, storage groups can only be managed with mythtv-setup

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bsterne:

ah

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clever_:

LoadWindowFromXML looks interesting

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clever_:

LoadBaseTheme looks like the area i want

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i want to do a scheduled system backup but i want mythtv to be aware of it so that mythwelcome won't shut down the machine in the middle of a backup. should i just write a script to do a mythshutdown --lock/--unlock, or is there a better way?

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Guest83209:

how can i find a modalias for input event9

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Guest83209:

so i acan use my cheapo remote .keyboard in lirc

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Guest83209:

using /devinput

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[R]:

modalias? huh?

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Guest83209:

I wanted to use this code here

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Guest83209:

udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/input/event1)

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Guest83209:

but ubuntu never used udevinfo or its no longer used

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Guest83209:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Snapstream_firefly_min

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Guest83209:

im following this guide

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clever_:

Guest83209: udevinfo has been renamed to part of udevadm

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[R]:

i see nothign there

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[R]:

but what is the point of that command?

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clever_:

i beleive you can just use udevadm info now

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Guest83209:

the point of the command is to look at the input events and then print to screen all the info regarding that event including the modalias of the device which is unique so that i may add a symlink for lirc to use

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[R]:

why do you need a symlink?

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clever_:

udevadm info -a -p $(udevadm info -q path -n /dev/input/event1) works fine for me

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[R]:

and what's wrong with /dev/input/by-id or /dev/input/by-path?

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Guest83209:

SYSFS{modalias}=="usb:v1233pE007d0100dc00dsc00dp00ic03isc01ip02" <==== THIS ONE!

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Guest83209:

im looking for a unigue identifier as above

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[R]:

Guest83209: and the point is...

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** [R] still isn't seeing it **

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Guest83209:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Snapstream_firefly_mini

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clever_:

ive used it before with udev to detect certain mice and auto-run stuff based on which mouse is connected

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Guest83209:

this is the guide I'm following

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AndyCap:

like say /dev/input/by-id/usb-Gyration_Gyration_RF_Technology_Receiver-event-kbd

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Guest83209:

and Im stuck at the getting the modalias bit

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[R]:

the point of /dev/input/by-id /dev/input/by-path is so you dont have to do stupid nonsense like that

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clever_:

[R]: he is trying to get the details on the device for making a udev rule, for a custom symlink

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[R]:

and i'm still not seeing the point

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[R]:

when udev creates all the symlinks you could possibly want

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clever_:

the guide makes a input/firefly-mini link using udev

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[R]:

which is stupid and pointless

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Guest83209:

I want to make one for my holtek receiver so i can use it in lirc

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[R]:

[01:31:29] [R] and what's wrong with /dev/input/by-id or /dev/input/by-path?

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clever_:

Guest83209: did you try 'udevadm info -a -p $(udevadm info -q path -n /dev/input/event1)' ?

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Guest83209:

yes

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clever_:

and does that work?

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Guest83209:

but it did not give the modalias

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clever_:

you should be able to do the same thing with other parameters it listed

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clever_:

i found http://hackaday.com/2009/09/18/how-to-write-udev-rules/ as a good guide for getting starte

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clever_:

d

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Guest83209:

info: option requires an argument — 'p'

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clever_:

sounds like the inner command errored out

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clever_:

or you didnt give a valid to -n

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Guest83209:

i used what you gave me including the word path

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Guest83209:

perhaps if i chnage the word path to

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clever_:

by path, i mean the /dev/input/event1

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clever_:

event1 may not even be your ir receiver, it might be event5 or event123456

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Guest83209:

its event 9

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AndyCap:

[R]: get popcorn instead? :P

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[R]:

AndyCap: ?

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AndyCap:

instead of trying to convince them of the greatness of /dev/input/by*/*

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Guest83209:

/dev/input/by-id$ stat -c "%N" /dev/input/by-id/usb-Twinhan_Tech_Remote_Control*

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Guest83209:

`/dev/input/by-id/usb-Twinhan_Tech_Remote_Control_1111111-event-kbd' -> `../event9'

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Guest83209:

`/dev/input/by-id/usb-Twinhan_Tech_Remote_Control_1111111-event-mouse' -> `../event10'

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Guest83209:

`/dev/input/by-id/usb-Twinhan_Tech_Remote_Control_1111111-mouse' -> `../mouse2'

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Guest83209:

dad@mythserver:/dev/input/by-id$ udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/input/event9

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Guest83209:

> udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/input/event9

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[R]:

AndyCap: haha

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AndyCap:

Guest83209: so give /dev/input/by-id/usb-Twinhan_Tech_Remote_Control_1111111-event-kbd to lirc and be done with it?

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clever_:

you forgot the ), so all hell broke loose

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clever_:

when the prompt suddenly changes to >, something is wrong, dont ignore it and keep trying the same thing

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Guest83209:

thats from hours ago i worked out i was missing the ) :D

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Guest83209:

Andycap If i just use that id in lirc that will work every time?

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clever_:

Guest83209: thats the whole point of by-id

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Guest83209:

ok then thanks very much

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Guest83209:

Is there a way i can halt the receiver from producing keyboard inputs or do i need them for lirc

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Guest83209:

to work.

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AndyCap:

does lirc open the input device with O_EXCL?

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Guest83209:

atm lirc is not configured until i work out how to and if what im thinking is possible

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mots:

hey, I currently have a homeserver (linux) which shares a lot of movies/tv shows using smb and 3 xbmc boxes that access that data

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mots:

now I'd like to get live tv, is it possible to install a tv card in the server and then stream to the clients using mythtv and xbmc's myth protocol?

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Chiwauwa:

wagnerrp: Promised to give an update. Got the set up with a master/slave backend up and running. Added one (of two) capture card to the new machine and configured it as a slave backend (will become the master backend later). The original backend/frontend is now the master backend (with the other capture card) and I have the database running on my NAS (to make it less vulnerable to disk crashes). It took some time to get it right ... mostly gettin

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Chiwauwa:

g rid of the 127.0.0.1 entries :-) ... learning by doing.

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Chiwauwa:

I have one queston though. I do not fully understand how the channels are linked to the capture cards. In MediaPortal a dialog is available to link channels with cards, but I do not see where this is managed in MythTV- The channelse are linked to my capture card on the slave backend – how I do not fully understand. i created the capture card, the video source with the same name as on the master backend and linked those in the input section. What i

[10:25:08]

Chiwauwa:

s it on the backend that linkes the existing channel scan (from the master backend) to the new capture card. My only guess is the video source (due to the naming), but that doesn

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Chiwauwa:

doesn

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Chiwauwa:

doesn't seem to be right to me?

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marcuy:

hi all, any help with setting up a Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI video tuner on Ubuntu??

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Guest83209:

is it a leadtek dtv1000s

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Guest83209:

mrcuy

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Guest83209:

marcuy

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Guest83209:

if it is then

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Guest83209:

marcuy, http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies- . . . /942269.html

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Guest83209:

I had a leadtek card which has the coneexant chip and i had it working

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Guest83209:

marcuy, read that post from go to woe and yours will to.

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jolaren:

Mythweb's flash recordings only play for 3 seconds then stops ;/ Gosh

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Dassu:

Personally I would never prefer flash :(

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jolaren:

Dassu: I use it on my cellphone mostly

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jolaren:

and the kids netbooks

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jolaren:

I got it workin now tho

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jolaren:

Still the database recovery from last night made me loose 200 episodes (or not loose since they are still in recordings) but they aren't listed in MythTVFrontend, can I remove these somehow?

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jolaren:

Or add'em

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Jay2k1:

humm.. i'm no expert but i guess since you don't have the meta data anymore, it'll be next to impossible

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Jay2k1:

all you have is the recording date and the channel id from the filename

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Jay2k1:

doesn't mythtv backup its db regularly?

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Dassu:

AFAIK there is a script for that. Don't remember the name though

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Jay2k1:

i mean, you'd need the program info from all these air dates, if that's available somewhere you could script it

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jolaren:

Jay2k1: it does

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jolaren:

or mine did one a week

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jolaren:

i records loads tho ;p

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jolaren:

note-to-self backup db more often

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jolaren:

perhaps I can use "sort by date?"?

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jolaren:

in the recordings folder

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jolaren:

and remove?

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jolaren:

didnt work but was worth it

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sphery:

jolaren: they play for 3 seconds then you hit the end of the transcoded recording--i.e. your MythWeb box is too slow to transcode in real time or your player started playing before the transcode was sufficiently far ahead.

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sphery:

so sometimes you can start playback again seconds later and be good

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sphery:

or, if your MythWeb box is to slow, you can just never use Flash

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sphery:

note that transcoding in real time is more processor intensive than playback, too

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sphery:

and there's no VDPAU accel for it

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jolaren:

I reinstalled mythweb, that did the trick sphery

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sphery:

or starting playback again a second time worked :)

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jolaren:

No, it did not

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jolaren:

I had to purge it

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jolaren:

and re-install it

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jolaren:

my next project is to try and get the recordings not listed in mythtv away from my recordings folder

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sphery:

jolaren: also, to remove the recording files that aren't listed in Watch Recordings, you can see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth.find_orphans.pl

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jolaren:

haha

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jolaren:

find orphans:D

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cleith:

Hell

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cleith:

Hello

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mcl0vin:

howdy folks

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mcl0vin:

i have setup mythtv backend on ubuntu box, can i setup a frontend in windows box

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mcl0vin:

?

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unixSnob:

sure.. the front end can be anything.. even a proprietary media box

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unixSnob:

i think even a sony playstation will work for a front end

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mcl0vin:

unixSnob: were can i get the installer please?

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marcuy:

any help with setting up a Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI video tuner on Ubuntu??

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mcl0vin:

marcuy: what is the tuner name?

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mcl0vin:

marcuy: it should be auto detected with ubuntu

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mcl0vin:

marcuy: 'lspci |pastebinit'

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** stuartm waits to see how many complaints he receives for the wiki changes **

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marcuy:

mcl0vin, http://pastebin.com/nhdLrwqF

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marcuy:

mcl0vin, I've tried with tvtime, but without luck yet..

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mcl0vin:

marcuy: when you say no luck, what do you mean? in the frontend , can you watch livetv?

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marcuy:

mcl0vin, no luck = blue screen with (no signal) message

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unixSnob:

mcl0vin: afaik, you must compile it. i have not seen a one-click Windows install for the front end

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unixSnob:

IOW, you're in for some pain

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mcl0vin:

marcuy: well, how are you connected to the TV

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mcl0vin:

unixSnob: nah, i will just stick to linux :)

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unixSnob:

even better

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marcuy:

mcl0vin, coaxial cable

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mcl0vin:

marcuy: hmmmm, you are trying to be lazy , regarding the Audio :), do you have an s-video i like using them, but anyways

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mcl0vin:

check and see if your tuner is capturing video

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mcl0vin:

easy way IMO 'cat /dev/video0 > videofile.mpg' then play that

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mcl0vin:

this will give you an idea what could be wrong

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mcl0vin:

marcuy: i am sorry , my experince with MythTV is only 2–3 days , my system isn't still fully up

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marcuy:

mcl0vin, sorry but the cable doesn't fit into svideo, how do u say to connect them? (I'm a little novice with video stuff sorry)

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** mcl0vin please tell me you didn't just unhook the coax cable and tried to fit it in the s-video slot? **

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marcuy:

mcl0vin, lol

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marcuy:

mcl0vin, I didn't

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marcuy:

mcl0vin, I don't have any tv close to me to try to connect svideo source

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mcl0vin:

weeh, coz if you did , boy you have a long road ahead

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marcuy:

mcl0vin, I just have the cable

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marcuy:

mcl0vin, and the pci video card

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cleith:

How should I set the audio prefs in 0.23 for Fedora 12 (pulseaudio)?

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cleith:

Later

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** wagnerrp hates old people **

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wagnerrp:

theres a four lane road near my house, and 'some people' were too incompetent to stay within the (not very) narrow lanes

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wagnerrp:

so the changed it to two very wide lanes, a huge turn lane, and no passing

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wagnerrp:

speed limit is 35, even a semi should be able to go 50

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wagnerrp:

i get stuck behind some old man going 25, slowing to 15 in the turns

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clever_:

wagnerrp: dont worry, one day you can be the old person and pass it on to the youngins!

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magius_pendragon:

I've recently switched distributions and noticed that my keyboard doesn't work when watching livetv after the first channel change.

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fartywarty:

magius_pendragon, that is a bug that was common in .22

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fartywarty:

reguardless of distro afaik

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fartywarty:

it used to happen to me too

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fartywarty:

seems ok in .23

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magius_pendragon:

fartywarty: saw a 4 yr old bug for .19, but not for .22. I wonder if I was using .23 in my old distro...

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fartywarty:

probably not

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fartywarty:

do you know what version you are using now

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magius_pendragon:

I don't watch livetv much, so I may not have noticed, just was trying to make sure both tuners worked since I switched over

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magius_pendragon:

right now? 0.22_p23069

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fartywarty:

ok

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magius_pendragon:

dunno about what was in my old distro

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fartywarty:

the bug isnt effected soley by watching livetv

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magius_pendragon:

?

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fartywarty:

didnt you export your database from your old distro

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magius_pendragon:

yes

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magius_pendragon:

but some udev stuff changed around, so I had to recreate the cards

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fartywarty:

i spose its possible you had .21 and upgraded the schema when you installed .22

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fartywarty:

thats not important

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fartywarty:

what i mean is there is more than one way of trigger the keyboard unresponsiveness then just livetv usually anything will trigger it

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fartywarty:

i havent had that problem in .23 and dont know of the status of it I saw a ticket but didnt follow it

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magius_pendragon:

fartywarty: it's only happening in livetv right now. I could move around in my recordings just fine

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magius_pendragon:

and the version in my old distro was... looks like 23562–2 ... so it might be 0.23

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fartywarty:

no it wouldnt be

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fartywarty:

you cant downgrade your database schema

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fartywarty:

anyway im off

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fartywarty:

check your logs if you like it may be somthing unrelated

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stuartm:

you can't downgrade, but a backup will have been created when you upgraded

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magius_pendragon:

stuartm: okay, but I'm not sure how this helps

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magius_pendragon:

think I'm narrowing down the problem

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wagnerrp:

clever_: i surely hope were not driving 50yrs from now

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oobe:

maybe they will have vehicles controlled by our minds that levitate and also go really fast and stuff

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oobe:

but they still make a version with an impressive broom broom sound for meat heads

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wagnerrp:

oobe: no, im more concerned about geriatrics going 15mph in a 35mph no-passing-zone

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oobe:

yea

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oobe:

but also being about to teleport would be cool

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** wagnerrp wishes people would stop trying to repurpose horribly underpowered systems as servers and media playback **

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iamlindoro:

yeah, if your system has the word "plug" in it, give up

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magius_pendragon:

I found out the keyboard input is only breaking on one of my cards. If I remove it, the other works. If I readd it, it only stops after i try and 'y' to the affected card

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[R]:

i really hate how the hdpvr acts all stupid if its not getting a signal

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mcl0vin:

how do i know which /dev/video* is related to my capture card

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[R]:

mcl0vin: dmesg

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[R]:

how many devices do you have that you have multiple nodes though?

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mcl0vin:

[R]: i have WinTV-HVR-1600

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mcl0vin:

but my mythtv sometime it works and most of the time it doesn't!

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mcl0vin:

i mean when i try to watch liveTV

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magius_pendragon:

mcl0vin: what's it doing when it doesn't work?

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wagnerrp:

the 1600 will only have one useful dev node

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magius_pendragon:

mcl0vin: are you talking about it locking up after you change channel once?

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wagnerrp:

usually /dev/video0

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: when i do 'cat /dev/video0 > fiile.mpg i can view it using vlc

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mcl0vin:

but when i go to watch TV it will display "please wait..." then it goes back to the FE main menu

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mcl0vin:

!paste

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Nidhoegger:

mcl0vin, i had the same prob

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Nidhoegger:

check the backend log

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mcl0vin:

check it for what thu , this is my first Mythbox :)

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mcl0vin:

my BE log http://pastebin.com/1TFa2eQC

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magius_pendragon:

mcl0vin: where did you tell the backend to put the recordings?

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magius_pendragon:

wait, scratch that

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magius_pendragon:

it says you have no valid capture cards

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Nidhoegger:

did you do -> mythtv-setup to configure your cards?

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mcl0vin:

yes , and that is why i am here now , because i dont know what went wrong

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magius_pendragon:

mcl0vin: was the backend running when you ran mythtv-setup? it should throw a warning if it is

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mcl0vin:

magius_pendragon: i am not sure

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sphery:

any PHP gurus around?

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sphery:

anyone know why you'd use &= with an object, like $program =& new Program($row);

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sphery:

er, =&, that is

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[R]:

its a reference

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[R]:

like in C

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mcl0vin:

magius_pendragon: what you suggest it do

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sphery:

[R]: ahhh... wanna come into #mythtv to answer any follow on questions that danielk may have

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magius_pendragon:

mcl0vin: 1) make sure the dev nodes exist. 2) make sure the backend's stopped. 3) try mythtv-setup again. I assume you've found instructions about setting up the HVR? Make sure to do both input cards and connections whenever you delete inputs.

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mcl0vin:

magius_pendragon: !) what do you mean by node? 2) how do i stop it "kill -9"? no i don't have instruction on the HVR setp, can you point me to a link

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sphery:

[R]: BTW, thank you very much for your help. Both danielk and I--who are both out of our element in PHP--appreciate the help.

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[R]:

yeah, i'm decent with php, if you need a little help i could try

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[R]:

but can't make any promises

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sphery:

well, we can always use help

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sphery:

I'm not trying to volunteer anyone in particular, but would love to have someone give the PHP objects a proper wagnerrp'ing (i.e. clean them up the way wagnerrp cleaned up the Python bindings).

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[R]:

yeah, i dunno if i could start with something that big

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sphery:

yeah, that's the down side--it would be a huge project

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[R]:

i do love mythweb though

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wagnerrp:

im finally there, im a household name

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sphery:

having a strong PHP bindings base would make MythWeb much nicer, too :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yep... congrats

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[R]:

wagnerrp: and you're a verb also

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wagnerrp:

can you make/install php modules in php?

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wagnerrp:

or do they have to be compiled as source objects?

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wagnerrp:

shared objects

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8467 seems rather far-reaching consequences for MythNews to impose on a system

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[R]:

wagnerrp: there is cpan like stuff for php, that you can install systemwide i belive

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sphery:

Wonder if that guy is getting some Flash-crash-the-display-driver issue

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sphery:

as I don't see how MythNews could kill network, keyboard, ... (kernel, it sounds like)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: have you updated past r24694 to check to see if Python bindings still work?

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sphery:

there was data removed from programinfo

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wagnerrp:

not yet, i looked at the changes and gave danielk an update patch for python

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wagnerrp:

but i never actually tested it

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sphery:

ah, cool

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wagnerrp:

bindings_python no? guess i dont have lxml installed in my trunk jail

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wagnerrp:

i cannot seem to find any p5-net-upnp packages for freebsd

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mcl0vin:

now when i try to watch live tv, i get this error "Error:MythTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?"

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drindt:

i run into that problem http://pastebin.com/DgtuBd3z, but when i manually delete this file its vanished, only mythtv can't delete it, what can i do?

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kalelme:

hello

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kalelme:

a single question is posible view avi+str

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wagnerrp:

str?

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kalelme:

sorry srt

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kalelme:

movie.avi + movie.srt

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wagnerrp:

mythtv can use external SRT files of the same name as the file it is accessing

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kalelme:

i try but no see the sub

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wagnerrp:

't'?

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drindt:

i run into that problem http://pastebin.com/DgtuBd3z, but when i manually delete this file its vanished, only mythtv can't delete it, what can i do?

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wagnerrp:

man... x264 /REALLY/ didnt like minority report

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wagnerrp:

all that film grain, video dropped to 3.5GB

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wagnerrp:

of course that is half the size of the mpeg2

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sphery:

wagnerrp: You should use xvid. I heard that xvid looks really pretty. It's not huge like MPEG2.

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wagnerrp:

the only reason im even bothering transcoding them is my desktop doesnt seem to like VOBs for some reason

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wagnerrp:

or mpeg2+ac3 remuxed to mkv

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wagnerrp:

'i dont have nearly enough background to participate in this discussion, but im going to go ahead and paste a bunch of garbage into the mailing list anyway.'

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wagnerrp:

...

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[R]:

sphery: that's what she said?

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wagnerrp:

oh wow... interlaced DVD

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wagnerrp:

thats awful

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[R]:

so i don't know why everyone freaks out about isos and storage groups

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[R]:

you can use both of them

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[R]:

i have a local nfs mount for my isos ontop of the storage group for my regular stuff

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wagnerrp:

yer takin ar external players

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[R]:

no, internal

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wagnerrp:

because people are panicky idoits?

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

isn't there a command to quit the frontend from the network control?

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[R]:

i can't seem to find oen

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wagnerrp:

not that i know of

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[R]:

well i guess i could send a series of key presses

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wagnerrp:

crap... the individual VOBs were all TC'd independently

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wagnerrp:

im going to have to re-rip this thing

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[R]:

does anyone else like Marla Sokoloff?

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wagnerrp:

she looks familiar, but i dont recognize anything ive seen her in

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[R]:

never saw Sugar and Spice?

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wagnerrp:

no

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[R]:

or Dude Wheres my Car?

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wagnerrp:

saw it, only vaguely remember bits and pieces

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wagnerrp:

something about aliens and special necklaces

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[R]:

i'm watching it for the first time

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[R]:

its pretty stupid

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kalelme:

wagnerrp: thx work perfect

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[R]:

wtf

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[R]:

since when do splitters just randomly go bad

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mzb:

RDV_Linux: http://openpaste.org/en/21625/

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mzb:

^^ got it running ... to a point, but a couple of exceptions and then it seems to do nothing

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