Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, May 15th, 2010, 00:01 UTC

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, nice link

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wagnerrp:

yeah, newbie error too

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sphery:

heh, we've all done that

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sphery:

scanning replies to see if anyone mentioned the stealing

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sphery:

don't see any

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wagnerrp:

one AC about 2/3 of the way down

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wagnerrp:

modded +1, Funny

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

too bad none take any of it seriously, though

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wagnerrp:

Brian Murrell is no good at math

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Captain_Murdoch:

I think he's just thinking about 1FPS video. 63bytes per second oughtta be enough for anybody.

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

not sure where he intends to get 1fps video

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sphery:

Heh, Bones from 2 weeks ago has a blatant Prius commercial in the story--though they did add a bit on the story line to make it seem to "fit"

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hipitihop:

I have a PocketPC 4150 with WiFi support and want to commission it as a dedicated front end remote using telnet .. I'm happy to keep the pocketpc os or flash a linux like agnstrom but can't find what graphical remote client I should run on it. Any suggestions ?

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hipitihop:

something similar to the IPhone MyMote would be fine.

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Telnet_socket#Used_By

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hipitihop:

wagnerrp, thanks, been looking there, and none seem to fit the mix

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wagnerrp:

can always write your own

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hipitihop:

sure, but there seem to be so many people writing remotes was hoping not to have to reinvent the whell

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squish102:

why would i have "events/1" using 15–25% cpu all the time? how do i track down what it is?

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iamlindoro:

by asking in your distro channel, perhaps?

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squish102:

right

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sphery:

squish102: using nvidia drivers and forgot to enable UseEvents? (just a guess)

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hipitihop:

wagnerrp, actually MythControl looks promising

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notlistening:

squidly, you using wine?

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notlistening:

squish102, you using wine sorry wrong squi..

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notlistening:

hiptihop i recommend trying tcl/tk for wm and see if that has any milage

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notlistening:

you can have an app running over tcp/wifi in a week or so, after you look at lirc and how to interact with that

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sphery:

there's a nice starter wish/tcl/tk remote at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tkmythremote

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notlistening:

there you go already done for you :D

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squish102:

sphery ati video chipset and notlistening, no i'm running mythbuntu (no1 is helping in that channel)

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iamlindoro:

Someone should mention to the guy flipping out about firewire on the users list that his firewire is probably fine, it's almost definitely that motorola has put out yet another model ID number for his box, meaning firewiredevice.cpp will need patching to add it

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iamlindoro:

he can get the value with 6200ch -v -v $somenumber

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iamlindoro:

then he can see if it appears in firewiredevice

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wagnerrp:

back unregistered from the list again?

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iamlindoro:

yup

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23647

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iamlindoro:

he can use that as a guide

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iamlindoro:

actually

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23647/tr . . . redevice.cpp

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iamlindoro:

is even better, that's all he would need to do

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wagnerrp:

i think j-rod can handle it as he sees fit

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iamlindoro:

no skin off my nose

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sphery:

squish102: Well, events/<cpu_num> handles low-level asynchronous processing of requests--often from drivers. So, you may have to just disable hardware/drivers one by one until you find the culprit.

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sphery:

I'd start with the easy ones--USB and other removables. Then you may need to use BIOS or even just unloading driver modules

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sphery:

squish102: oh, also, try just disconnecting network, too

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sphery:

iamlindoro: OK, you've spoken through your prophet, again. Perhaps you'd like to document the -v -v thing on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/6200ch ?

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iamlindoro:

Aaaaameeeeeeennnn

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squish102:

thanks sphery, i will start with the easy ones. it does seem that only when i play something does it raise it's head

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sphery:

if that's the case, the video card/drivers are a likely suspect

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squish102:

i think it is using the latest ati drivers, but i will check up on it

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sphery:

if you're currently using ATI drivers, might want to try unloading their kernel module and then using the radeon driver to see if it doesn't happen then

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sphery:

that would take some work, but less work than swapping video cards :)

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sphery:

then again, if it's only when using a lot of video, it may just be the way the drivers work

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iamlindoro:

sphery, done

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/6200ch

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sphery:

iamlindoro: thx

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sphery:

squish102: is this ATI r6xx or r7xx?

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sphery:

squish102: sounds like there's an issue with fglrx and Compositing. So, don't use Compiz or see http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-794699.html

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sphery:

if dragging a window makes CPU usage spike, it's likely the same issue

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squish102:

sphery, old machine, radion 3200 hd, if i remember correctly. onboard and using hdmi for video and audio

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** sphery is glad he can run radeon drivers on his systems **

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wagnerrp:

sphery: couple people on that slashdot thread who dont understand how RAID systems work

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wagnerrp:

theyre talking about how the 'drobo' is some magical device, because you can replace a small drive with a larger one, and it will automatically rebuild and expand the array to match the smallest drive size

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wagnerrp:

and theyre arguing with my about how thats how every other RAID system works too

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I know how RAID works: Kills bugs...Dead!

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wagnerrp:

my areca works that way, but then maybe theyre manufactured by magical fairies too

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sphery:

or the 2 companies source the fairy dust from the same vendor

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J-e-f-f-A:

!seen j-rod

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MythLogBot:

j-rod is here and has been idle for 9 hours 7 minutes 4 seconds

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Nixon:

J-e-f-f-A, j-rod is on the channel right now!

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wagnerrp:

two of em now?

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wagnerrp:

!seen J-e-f-f-A

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MythLogBot:

J-e-f-f-A is here and has been idle for 25 seconds

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Nixon:

wagnerrp, J-e-f-f-A is on the channel right now!

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J-e-f-f-A:

why is Nixon responding to the seen request?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm....

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wagnerrp:

hes trying to prove hes not a crook?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hehehe...

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J-e-f-f-A:

if jarod was around I was going to see if he knew the answer to an lirc question... ;-)

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iamlindoro:

!seen iamlindoro

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MythLogBot:

iamlindoro is here and has been idle for 48 minutes 29 seconds

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Nixon:

Looking for yourself, eh iamlindoro?

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iamlindoro:

!seen wagnerrp

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MythLogBot:

wagnerrp is here and has been idle for 11 minutes 30 seconds

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Nixon:

iamlindoro, wagnerrp is on the channel right now!

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iamlindoro:

obnoxious

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iamlindoro:

Nixon, We have our own bot, cut that out

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wagnerrp:

looks like he joined about 23hrs ago

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clever:

!seen Nixon

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MythLogBot:

Nixon is here and has been idle for 3 minutes 12 seconds

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Nixon:

You found me, clever!

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wagnerrp:

was he saying clever? or your name?

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wagnerrp:

!seen Nixon

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MythLogBot:

Nixon is here and has been idle for 25 seconds

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Nixon:

You found me, wagnerrp!

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wagnerrp:

guess it was your name

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clever:

my own bot has trouble seeing its own disconnects, quit/part msgs arent sent like they are for others

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clever:

thought it might report its join time

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FisherPrice70:

Hi, I've stuffed up my video database... trying to install the windows version of mythtv... I know, it said I should back up the database because it was going to change it.. and I didn't how can I fix it?

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FisherPrice70:

I've got an old 0.22 backup

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean 'stuffed up'?

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FisherPrice70:

I'm thinking about deleting all the non-video related stuff and try to restore it from there, but I doubt it will work

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FisherPrice70:

well, I try to get into mythvideo and it bombs out... let me see if I can look at the log

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FisherPrice70:

no errors

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FisherPrice70:

database speaks version 1033, we speak version 1032

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FisherPrice70:

in jamo.log

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J-e-f-f-A:

what's jamo?

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wagnerrp:

thats because you installed trunk

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FisherPrice70:

well I think the widows version uses svn

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FisherPrice70:

or a diff schema

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wagnerrp:

you installed and ran trunk

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FisherPrice70:

jamo is the mythvideo db side

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wagnerrp:

and a month old version of trunk at that

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FisherPrice70:

which one is truck

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FisherPrice70:

trunc*

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wagnerrp:

jamo is nothing, it doesnt exist

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FisherPrice70:

which version is trunk

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wagnerrp:

1032 is the schema used by 0.23-fixes, trunk is currently on 1035

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wagnerrp:

which means you have a copy of trunk from somewhere in between then

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wagnerrp:

hence, an old copy of trunk

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wagnerrp:

svn is just the repository, everything comes from svn

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FisherPrice70:

well mytbuntu is probably on 1032

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FisherPrice70:

I think the win mythtv is on 1033

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FisherPrice70:

is there any way to go back?

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[R]:

restore from your backup

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FisherPrice70:

keeping in minds I didn't backup :S

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wagnerrp:

because the build you downloaded/installed/ran is of trunk

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FisherPrice70:

<-Stupid

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J-e-f-f-A:

living up to your nic? ;-)

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FisherPrice70:

is there a way to re-configure/build the db? to 1032?

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wagnerrp:

if you know your way around SQL, you can read through the dbcheck.cpp, revert those changes, and roll back the schema

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wagnerrp:

if you dont know your way around SQL, run http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407793#407793

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FisherPrice70:

I am not too bad with sql

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FisherPrice70:

but what file do I look through, where is it, how can I find it... how do I know what the 1033 changes are??

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wagnerrp:

1033 added a couple indexes, entirely reversible

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wagnerrp:

but tinkering in the database is not recommended, supported, or assisted in this channel

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[R]:

isn't it indices?

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FisherPrice70:

no, I understand that... all of it

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FisherPrice70:

[R]: either/or, don't matter on irc, we all make typos

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[R]:

i like saying unices

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FisherPrice70:

I suppose I could archive the unwatched movies, restore an old db

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FisherPrice70:

and let myth look after it

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FisherPrice70:

wagnerrp: would that be a better/easier way?

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wagnerrp:

if you know your way around SQL, you can check that dbcheck.cpp which manages schema updates, revert the change, and continue on unsupported

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J-e-f-f-A:

FisherPrice70: have a look around your system first – I think myth usually does a backup before the update...

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, delete the existing tables as detailed in the mailing list thread

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: he was running on windows, the backup script may not run properly there

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Ah, good point.

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sphery:

I think it's better qualified as, "If you know your way around SQL /and/ you understand the MythVideo database schema and all the MythVideo application data requirements..." :)

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FisherPrice70:

wagnerrp: J-e-f-f-A the backend is on linux, but it didn't do a backup, I checked, I was trying to run a windows front end

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sphery:

i.e. since MySQL doesn't manage any data constraints or relationships

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iamlindoro:

I can thinking of practically ones of people who fit that requirement

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iamlindoro:

er think

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sphery:

yeah, agreed :) ... What are your rates for fixing up someone's DB?

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iamlindoro:

exorbitant

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sphery:

formerly orbitant?

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sphery:

or exherbitant

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sphery:

yeah, the automatic DB backups are disabled on windows

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sphery:

then again, does the backend even run on windows?

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sphery:

oh, wait, a frontend will do plugin schema updates.... nvm.

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J-e-f-f-A:

So is it only the video DB that got goofed up, not the recordings DB?

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FisherPrice70:

only the vid

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FisherPrice70:

I can access and play recordings

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FisherPrice70:

fine

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo and mythweather were the only schemas that had been updated at that point in trunk

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wagnerrp:

and apparently hes not running mythweather

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FisherPrice70:

no

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FisherPrice70:

im not

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** sphery highly recommends following the instructions in the post from that crazy mtdean guy **

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** J-e-f-f-A recommends FisherPrice70 listen to sphery ;-) **

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FisherPrice70:

in the cpp file there's lines relating to (dbver == XXXX) but I don't think that this is what I'm suppose to look for

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FisherPrice70:

J-e-f-f-A: sphery both are right, I'm an idiot

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wagnerrp:

FisherPrice70: everything you need is detailed in that file, thats as far as im going as far as help and youre on your own from there

[03:42:21]

wagnerrp:

the reason we dont assist people in tinkering with the database, is that if you know enough to safely do so, you already know enough of the internal code of mythtv to work out how to do so

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wagnerrp:

and dont need assistance in the first place

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FisherPrice70:

wagnerrp: this file ? http://www.cuymedia.net/mythtv-trunk/mythtv_2 . . . .html#l00354

[03:43:01]

sphery:

and, generally, if you know enough to safely do so, you generally know that it's better not do do so

[03:43:07]

sphery:

wrong dbcheck

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wagnerrp:

no, not that file

[03:43:15]

sphery:

that's tv schema

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wagnerrp:

in this case, the 'safe' route if you dont know what youre doing is to delete it all and start fresh

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wagnerrp:

a 'dust off and nuke from orbit' as it were

[03:44:32]

sphery:

and an opportunity to clean up the old garbage/out of date metadata

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iamlindoro:

I recommend running random SQL commands until it really gets interesting

[03:45:22]

iamlindoro:

drop database mythconverg;

[03:45:25]

iamlindoro:

that's a good one

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FisherPrice70:

lol

[03:45:41]

iamlindoro:

Then you can start *really* fresh

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FisherPrice70:

no, im not that crazy

[03:47:16]

sphery:

definitely make a backup of your DB before executing /any/ SQL commands

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Ooh, Arclight is pretty. ;-)

[03:48:17]

iamlindoro:

thanks

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FisherPrice70:

where can I download the file from wagnerrp, I'

[03:52:16]

FisherPrice70:

I've found it on svn search but I can't seem to see the whole file

[03:52:31]

wagnerrp:

FisherPrice70: its in the same place, you just need to find the one for mythvideo, rather than mythfrontend

[03:52:39]

wagnerrp:

erm, mythtv

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sphery:

I have a feeling if you had cleared your MythVideo schema and then repopulated metadata, you'd be done by now

[03:52:58]

wagnerrp:

the one you found is the primary schema for all of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

sphery++

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FisherPrice70:

kk, I think I've found the right one

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FisherPrice70:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . /dbcheck.cpp

[04:03:24]

iamlindoro:

Do not do anything that you think you are supposed to do

[04:03:26]

iamlindoro:

Do what sphery said

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FisherPrice70:

im thinking that I should

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iamlindoro:

That is the one and only supported solution

[04:04:04]

iamlindoro:

You should not do anything that requires you to read the DB updates

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sphery:

and it really doesn't take long

[04:04:05]

FisherPrice70:

ie, how do I clear the schema?

[04:04:25]

sphery:

with the info in the link wagnerrp gave you

[04:04:29]

wagnerrp:

see the email pasted way way up there

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407793#407793

[04:05:42]

FisherPrice70:

I think I'll do it that way

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sphery:

if you copy/paste off the web page, it will put a space after the EOF which will prevent the EOF from working, so copy up to the line before the EOF, paste into a shell, then (on a new line) type EOF<Enter>

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8458

[04:10:01]

iamlindoro:

frickin people

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wagnerrp:

dont they speak english in NZ?

[04:11:51]

iamlindoro:

english-ish

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wagnerrp:

im guessing he followed that one mailing list thread to split apart his VTs for livetv purposes

[04:12:46]

wagnerrp:

without understanding the implications of that

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sphery:

it sounded to me like he was just filling a feature request not even having enabled multirec

[04:13:53]

wagnerrp:

there is nothing to enable

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sphery:

and if he actually follows the instructions in the proper post on the mailing list, it would work fine for recordings

[04:14:00]

wagnerrp:

it defaults to 2 on any digital cards

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sphery:

:)

[04:14:14]

sphery:

no it doesn't

[04:14:22]

sphery:

only does if you go to the page that has the # of inputs

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sphery:

otherwise, it's one

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sphery:

(as I set mine to 1)

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wagnerrp:

oh, nevermind then

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sphery:

by not going in that page

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sphery:

if you actually go through and verify all the settings by entering all the pages, you're right

[04:15:09]

sphery:

but if you skip that page, it will be 1

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wagnerrp:

i figured it was standard procedure to go through all pages

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wagnerrp:

but then there are plenty of people who change a setting, hit cancel, and then wonder why it never applied

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sphery:

Yeah, you have to go into the Recording Options page, IIRC, but since it's accessed through a button other than Next/Finish, I'd guess some skip it.

[04:17:31]

wagnerrp:

if 'mythconfdir' is set, should i dump the upnp-gotten connection settings to it?

[04:17:37]

wagnerrp:

right now, i always save to $HOME

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sphery:

yeah, should probably use it

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sphery:

note that mythconfdir is the dir... so if no mythconfdir is specified, mythconfdir is $HOME/.mythtv

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sphery:

(so don't use $MYTHCONFDIR/.mythtv )

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wagnerrp:

right

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/general/12954 . . . ml#post52017

[04:23:01]

iamlindoro:

HA

[04:23:08]

iamlindoro:

"I use arclight because I don't have a choice."

[04:23:14]

iamlindoro:

If that's not a ringing endorsement...

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sphery:

isn't the guy doing a PgDown instead of Left/Right?

[04:24:12]

wagnerrp:

apparently its the only theme suitable for manual recordings

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wagnerrp:

way to go iamlindoro, your a facilitator

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sphery:

heh, "I have to say that for me it's a pretty tricky question as both theme developer did an amazing job on them!"

[04:25:38]

sphery:

both of iamlindoro did an amazing job

[04:25:44]

iamlindoro:

Don't be foolish

[04:25:52]

iamlindoro:

read the reponses, both of him did a crap job

[04:26:05]

sphery:

Hi. I'm Daryl. This is my brother iamlindoro, and this is my other brother iamlindoro.

[04:26:06]

wagnerrp:

one was done by his arch nemesis, robertm

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sphery:

oh, wait, I'm Larry.

[04:26:33]

sphery:

I forgot.

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wagnerrp:

do you wear a leisure suit?

[04:26:53]

sphery:

Hi, I'm Larry. This is my brother iamlindoro, and this is my other brother iamlindoro.

[04:26:58]

sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newhart

[04:27:21]

sphery:

I have 5 LSL's... Gonna have to get FreeDOS installed on one of my systems. :)

[04:27:41]

wagnerrp:

so thats where thats from? ive only ever seen a couple episodes on nick-at-night

[04:28:01]

wagnerrp:

sphery: http://www.dosbox.com/

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wagnerrp:

maybe you could even rig it up through mythgame

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wagnerrp:

just imagine CGA graphics in all its glory on a 67"

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wagnerrp:

sphery: are you sure you should be testing for '$HOME'?

[04:30:05]

sphery:

where?

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wagnerrp:

24668

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sphery:

the confdir.contains("$HOME"))) part?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i cant actually get a non-dereferenced variable to show up

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wagnerrp:

either ill get the path of home, or i will error because there is no variable set

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wagnerrp:

i dont see how the string '$HOME' could ever be set

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sphery:

in mythdirs.cpp we had previously done the "confdir.replace("$HOME", QDir::homePath());", so if we don't test for invalid HOME when MYTHCONFDIR is set with $HOME in it, we get an invalid conf dir

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wagnerrp:

unless you single quote it on the define

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sphery:

MYTHCONFDIR='$HOME/.mythtv'

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sphery:

exactly

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wagnerrp:

at least in python, that shows up as '/home/raymond/.mythtv'

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sphery:

it's all a question of shell quoting/escaping

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sphery:

but the app has always allowed it, so I just did a proper check for it

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wagnerrp:

but it gets dereferenced when the variable is set

[04:33:51]

wagnerrp:

not when the variable is used

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wagnerrp:

that line should never work

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sphery:

all depends on the shell

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sphery:

MYTHCONFDIR='$HOME/.mythtv' doesn't deref it

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sphery:

start up an app with: MYTHCONFDIR='$HOME/.mythtv' mythfrontend , and you'll see, "Read conf dir = $HOME/.mythtv"

[04:35:09]

sphery:

the replacement does happen sometimes

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wagnerrp:

and it will be able to pick up that directory?

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sphery:

assuming there's a valid HOME dir in the environment, then confdir.replace("$HOME", QDir::homePath()); will make it a real path

[04:36:01]

sphery:

the bottom of the changeset... line 57 of mythdirs.cpp

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sphery:

that technically happens before mythcontext.cpp

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wagnerrp:

oh....

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sphery:

but since our check is in mythcontext.cpp, I just extended it there

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wagnerrp:

so if $HOME is not set, the replace will not happen

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sphery:

if HOME isn't set and MYTHCONFDIR='$HOME/.mythtv' , you'll end up with confdir == '/.mythtv'

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wagnerrp:

well then that still doesnt explain why you would check for '$HOME'

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sphery:

That was originally what I thought was happening for *buntu, because the Qt docs said that QDir::homepath() always gives a non-empty string. However, when I realized the docs were wrong, I realized that is was the simpler explanation--our "check for invalid HOME" was broken by a change in Qt and *buntu doesn't always have HOME set

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sphery:

because if there's no HOME, then anything with $HOME in it is invalid

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wagnerrp:

but you said $HOME gets replaced before the check

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sphery:

the current check doesn't prevent MYTHCONFDIR=/.mythtv from working

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sphery:

differently-scoped variables

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wagnerrp:

oh

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sphery:

we re-build the confdir in mythcontext

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sphery:

only re-built for the check

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sphery:

the check is in mythcontext, though, because where we build dirs in mythdirs.cpp, we can't terminate the app cleanly

[04:40:58]

sphery:

(i.e. that code is called from a constructor, where we can't provide a return value of use)

[04:41:07]

wagnerrp:

think gednz is listening on -dev?

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sphery:

it would be a hack to stop it in mythdirs

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[R]:

sphery: you can throw an exception from a constructor

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sphery:

Usually when I reply to a ticket through e-mail, I'll BCC the reporter if they provided an e-mail. (I also explicitly set a Reply-To for the list)

[04:42:12]

sphery:

[R]: yeah, and we don't do exceptions

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[R]:

but they are so much fun!

[04:42:26]

sphery:

basically, the approach we have is much cleaner than any other approach

[04:42:48]

sphery:

ok, not any other, but much cleaner than the obvious ones

[04:43:00]

sphery:

and really isn't bad

[04:44:15]

sphery:

wagnerrp: so, this DOSBox thing... It's basically running DOS and programs in an app on a GNU/Linux system? An emulator?

[04:44:49]

wagnerrp:

its running its own internal version of dos, in an emulator

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sphery:

ah, nvm... just found the Information link'

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wagnerrp:

uses a fair bit of power

[04:45:22]

wagnerrp:

but considering these programs are used to running on <100MHz, there's plenty of power to go around

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sphery:

wonder if it requires 32-bit libs

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wagnerrp:

ive been using it to play an old box of apogee floppies i recently came across

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clever:

i havent heard that name in ages

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sphery:

don't recognize that name

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wagnerrp:

3d realms?

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clever:

apogee

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wagnerrp:

3d realms is formerly apogee

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[R]:

wagnerrp: and you were able ot read them still?

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wagnerrp:

not all, but some

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[R]:

duke nukem?

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sphery:

wow

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wagnerrp:

didnt have that one

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[R]:

that was the bomb

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sphery:

yeah, wonder if my LSL floppies are dead

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clever:

ive still got the duke nukem cd upstairs, and a linux compile of it on one of my systems

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sphery:

I'll have to image them before going to the trouble of setting up DOSBox

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[R]:

commander keen was apogee also

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[R]:

that really was the bomb

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sphery:

d'oh

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sphery:

just got much more difficult... My LSL's are on 5 1/4" floppies and I just recycled my 5 1/4" drive last year

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sphery:

and it's /quite/ the stack of 5 1/4" floppies

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[R]:

ebay?

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wagnerrp:

im sure weve got a dozen of em on a shelf at school

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clever:

most of our 5 1/4" floppies are formated for the c64 drive, so they cant even be read on a normal pc

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sphery:

don't even know if my 5 1/4" floppy would have plugged into any modern computer. They used a different connector from 3 1/2" floppy drives, right?

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[R]:

http://cgi.ebay.com/5-1-4-Teac-FD-55GFR-Flopp . . . em2ead14ee27

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

it says its never been used

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clever:

lol

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hot_wheelz:

I'm using the proprietary ATI graphics driver or not? when installed i get the following error failed to reinitialize video output...If I uninstall driver it works fine but tv out put how can I fix this issue please?

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FisherPrice70:

that took a while.

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FisherPrice70:

:S

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FisherPrice70:

not finished, serves me right

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FisherPrice70:

sphery: thanks again for your help

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hot_wheelz:

hello

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[R]:

how cool is that

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[R]:

myth totally CHOKED

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[R]:

when i maxed out my network

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ciphergoth:

64-bit Ubuntu Karmic. Weird sound behaviour: sometimes everything works, sometimes the "mute" and volume controls don't work, sometimes no sound, or the sound comes out the wrong port.

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ciphergoth:

Where do I start looking?

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[R]:

sounds like pulseaudio sucking as usual

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ciphergoth:

[R]: that's what I thought

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ciphergoth:

how do I investigate?

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[R]:

what do you mean investigate?

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ciphergoth:

find out what's going wrong and how to fix it?

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[R]:

i dunno, pulseaudio sucks

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[R]:

i dont use it on my myth systems

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ciphergoth:

OK, how do I turn it off?

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[R]:

no clue

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ciphergoth:

OK, is there anything else you can share with me that might help move me forwards?

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[R]:

don't think so

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clamb:

I have a mythtv setup that I have almost workable... LiveTV/Recordings have choppy video, but the audio seems fine. I'm using a P4 3.0GHz system with 1GB RAM, a Pinnacle PCTV 800i, and a Geforce 4 mx420. I have enabled XvMC and confimed that it is working from the mythtyv wiki. I've tried all of the different playback settings I could find, but I haven't found anything that isn't choppy.

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clamb:

Is there some other area I should be looking at to tune things? Also, I am attempting to capture OTA DTV channels.

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ElBano:

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ElBano:

Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION '50':

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ElBano:

Warning at /usr/share/mythweb/modules/_shared/tmpl/default/header.php, line 16:

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ElBano:

Cannot modify header information – headers already sent by (output started at /usr/share/mythweb/includes/errors.php:148)

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cleith:

Hello, anybody here today?

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cleith:

Anyone tried using myth 0.23 for Fedora 12 from rpmfusion (updates-testing)?

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oobe:

if no one has then you should feel special that they made the repo just for you

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cleith:

oobe: ;)

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cleith:

oobe: why does it feel like a ghost town here?

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oobe:

its slower on the weekends

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oobe:

cause ppl who arnt me have lifes

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oobe:

but your best success would be just to ask your question

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oobe:

rather than asking if anyone uses a certian distro with a certian repos

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oobe:

cause it might be possible to help you anyway

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cleith:

Sure, in this case though the question is about the dist and repo. Want to install from rpmfusion for Fedora 12. All the packages seem to be there but mythtv-themes. Seems a bit odd that someone would go to all the trouble of building the packages and then not provide one required package (won't install without it), so I think I am missing something...

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dad is now known as Guest29845

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Guest29845:

im having trouble with lirc in xbmc

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Guest29845:

i have a kirc xml

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Guest29845:

thats lirc.xml and my remote is named and the bindings hvae been edited to match my remote

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Guest29845:

irw works but xbmc does not respond

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Guest29845:

is it because after myth runs

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Guest29845:

all the inputs are sent to myth

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Guest29845:

as it was the last program used with a lirccrc

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Guest29845:

in /home/lirc

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oobe:

no

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Guest29845:

oh

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Guest29845:

its odd it was wowant working then it was

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Guest29845:

and now its not again

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oobe:

try restarting lircd

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Guest29845:

i have folowed the guide on the xbmc forums

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oobe:

and then try to reproduce the behaviour

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Guest29845:

I have and it dosent fix

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oobe:

ok maybe talk to them about it

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Guest29845:

what does work is if i call lirc after the command to start xbmc

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Guest29845:

xbmc -l /var/run/lirc/lircd

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Guest29845:

is that what this comand does?

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iamlindoro:

Guest29845, Why not ask for help from XBMC? We don't provide support for it here

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cleith:

Later

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Guest29845:

mmm ok

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wagnerrp:

Guest29845: also, we would advise not using mythbox to interface xbmc with mythtv, until such point as they start checking the database schema

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Guest29845:

wagnerrp, thanks for that tip

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Guest29845:

wagnerrp, not using at present

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Guest29845:

why does live tv window flicker in guide page when moving through guide?

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Guest29845:

It did it with 0.22 and it does it on 0.23 as well

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Guest29845:

Is there a fix?

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TheAsp:

close your eyes when you do it? ;)

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martin-lb:

just plugged in a new konig "IR Media center remote".. strangest thing, i can change channel without having lirc running

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wagnerrp:

martin-lb: it shows up as a keyboard

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martin-lb:

wagnerrp: was just about to write that.. no /dev/lirc0 is created either

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martin-lb:

it seems that it connects both as keyboard and mouse with /dev/input/event7 and event8

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martin-lb:

is there a way to force it not to register as keyboard or mouse?

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Guest29845:

martin use it as it is simply modify your mythtv bindings

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Guest29845:

your receiver wont be lirc compatible

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Guest29845:

you can kind the key bindings for each button using xev from a terminal screen

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Guest29845:

*find

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martin-lb:

ah, alright. Thanks!

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Guest29845:

you can add shift and ctrl bindings but not both.

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Guest29845:

your remote will use mce shortcuts

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AndyCap:

martin-lb: you could use the lircd input driver if that supports exclusive mode

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AndyCap:

I don't quite remember now

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martin-lb:

Found a wiki page on the mythtv for a similar remote (probably same chipset) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Snapstream_firefly_mini

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AndyCap:

martin-lb: and input subsystem has a tool for connecting disconnecting stuff if I remember correctly

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Guest29845:

martin-lb, http://blog.burlock.org/xbmc/51-xbmc-and-the- . . . enter-remote

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martin-lb:

guest29845: Many thanks.. that's it

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Guest29845:

martin-lb, you wont be able to use the buttons that use ctrl and shift and a button

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wagnerrp:

2TB hitachi on newegg for $120

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Guest29845:

but if you use it with a logitech like i do you can use those buttons to make keyboard shortcuts

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Guest29845:

then in the logitech menu have items like start mythtv ,kill mythtv , start firefox start terminal etc suspend reboot etc

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sphery:

iamlindoro: (contains LOST spoilers) http://www.tv.com/damon-lindelof-and-carlton- . . . ist;title;17

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Jhinta:

hi all need some help with dvbt , my frond end is notworking anywone knows how to fix this

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sphery:

basically saying that the previous episode divided viewers with some liking it and others hating it

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Jhinta:

this error i'm getting //www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg14307.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger. . . . sg14307.html

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wagnerrp:

thats where i recognize that name, he did brisco county

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sphery:

Jhinta: is all the prerequisite stuff Devin mentioned available, yet? Do you have confirmation that it's supported?

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Jhinta:

? dont realy know wat your saying , just fond the code to install it and all i know its failing with frondend

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Guest29845:

Jhinta you have tuner that has problems there fore you have problems

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sphery:

I don't see it listed as a supported device at http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_USB_Devices (assuming that's the right category)

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Guest29845:

easy fix buy a tuner thats supported or become a dvb enthusiast and get yours working

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sphery:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCTV_picoStick_74e says there's a test driver available

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sphery:

but test means, "if it doesn't work, please submit patches" :)

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sphery:

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Jhinta:

tnx anyway did all that . stil not working

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Jhinta:

the error is dib0700: stk7070p_frontend_attach: dib7000p_i2c_enumeration failed. Cannot continue

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ciphergoth:

64-bit Ubuntu Karmic. Weird sound behaviour: sometimes everything works, sometimes the "mute" and volume controls don't work, sometimes no sound, or the sound comes out the wrong port.

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ciphergoth:

what should I be checking?

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Jhinta:

update alsa :S

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ciphergoth:

Jhinta: all packages are up to date

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ciphergoth:

Jhinta: or do you mean something else?

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ciphergoth:

someone earlier was suggesting it had to do with PulseAudio – don't know much about that

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Jhinta:

what system are you on?

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ciphergoth:

Jhinta: Ubuntu Karmic, 64-bit

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Jhinta:

no system not os

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ciphergoth:

Jhinta: not sure exactly what you're looking for, can you be more specific?

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Jhinta:

lest say you have a asrock ion system 330

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Jhinta:

System

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ciphergoth:

It's a Dell mini tower. DM051 according to "lshw"

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Jhinta:

what kind of hardware are you running

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Jhinta:

aah there you go

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ciphergoth:

Audio device is an 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller. It has five audio sockets at the back

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Jhinta:

well just some info ,, if it helps i dont know , pot on some systems , when compiling apps i had to disable pulseaudio

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ciphergoth:

I'm installing from Aptitude rather than compiling

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Jhinta:

the same ,, like — disable puls,, ill look it up

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Jhinta:

cant find the dorm , but anyway , just remove if its fix your oke if not reinstall it

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ciphergoth:

thanks

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dustybin:

Your choice is simple: join us and live in peace, or pursue your present course and face obliteration.

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jolaren:

Mythweb dissapears

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jolaren:

a few times a day

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jolaren:

Really annooying

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wagnerrp:

disappears?

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jolaren:

Yeah.. stops showing up

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jolaren:

It's really annoying

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea what that means

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jolaren:

wagnerrp: it issapears from the adress

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jolaren:

when I try to connect there's nothin there

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jolaren:

just 404 error

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wagnerrp:

so apache is crashing?

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jolaren:

perhaps

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jolaren:

Sometimes tho it just displays "It's working!"

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wagnerrp:

as in, that text shows up on the page?

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jolaren:

yes

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wagnerrp:

are you connecting directly to the apache server running mythweb?

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jolaren:

yes

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wagnerrp:

because that is NOT behavior mythweb can possibly cause

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wagnerrp:

that sounds more like youre routing it through some sort of proxy

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dustybin:

drunk + mythtv = bad idea

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jolaren:

wagnerrp: I'm not ;o

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jolaren:

Should I reconfigure apache?

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea what you could possibly be doing wrong

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jolaren:

I don't either

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jolaren:

It has been workin for the past year flawlessly

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jolaren:

All has gone down the pipe since the release of luci

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jolaren:

lucid

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wagnerrp:

sounds like a distro/apache issue

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MadMouse:

agree with wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

your distro changed something with how apache and application modules are handled, causing mythweb to break

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jolaren:

I never should've upgraded to lucid, grmph :(

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jolaren:

Starts to work again after reboot

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jarle:

jolaren: When you see "it's working" you see ubuntu's default page. You need to make sure that you point directly to the mythweb directory.

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jarle:

jolaren: (in the URL in your browser)

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jarle:

jolaren: what does "ls /var/www/" say?

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zoggy:

hi can i run mythtv as a full server or does it need to be on a pc with a screen?

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zoggy:

sorry, probably stupid question

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jarle:

zoggy: the backend needs no screen..

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zoggy:

jarle: thanks, so can i have it on my ubuntu box which is in the roof and access it via upnp from a ps3 for instance?

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wagnerrp:

you can, but you lose a lot of functionality by not having a full frontend

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zoggy:

ok thanks.. much appreciated

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zoggy:

i've tried mediatomb but am really lost with their UI

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zoggy:

and i remember mythtv to be amazing on my own machine

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zoggy:

so sorry, last question, does mythtv equate to the same thing as mediatomb ie upnp and web interface, or would you say mediatomb is more suited for a non-connected server?

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wagnerrp:

sorta

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wagnerrp:

the mythtv upnp server offers exactly no settings

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wagnerrp:

either it works with your device or it doesnt

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wagnerrp:

there is no transcoding supported, only direct streaming

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wagnerrp:

luckily, anything you record from a hardware encoder or digital tuner should work fine on a PS3

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zoggy:

ok great, thanks a lot!

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bcgrown:

hello

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_abbenormal:

hey bcgrown

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bsterne:

are there tools available for migrating a 0.21 system to 0.23?

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[R]:

tools?

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[R]:

you just backup your db and run it

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bsterne:

I've backed up mythconverg, etc, but I'm doing a fresh OS install, so I want to make sure I'll be able to "import" the old data

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[R]:

when you start myth, itl ooks at the db, and if its old it upgrades it

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bsterne:

awesome, so even if it's multiple versions old?

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[R]:

they dont remove the upgrade code

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bsterne:

okay, thanks [R]

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sphery:

bsterne: follow instructions at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore . Specifically, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ing_database and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _backup_file

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bsterne:

great. thanks, sphery

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sphery:

bsterne: and, for best results, you may want to use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . abase_Backup to get the 0.21-fixes backup. (If you did the backup improperly, it's possible you may be missing some info. The script is known to do the backup properly. See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _and_Restore for getting the script onto a 0.21-fixes install.)

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sphery:

bsterne: also, do /not/ change the hostname or IP address of the system. Make sure you use the same one you used on your 0.21-fixes system (or things get much more complex)

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bsterne:

hmm, all I did was mysqldump the database

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** bsterne reads the articles **

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wagnerrp:

bsterne: mythtv is capable of upgrading itself from all the way back to around 0.12 or so

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bsterne:

wagnerrp: good to hear

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wagnerrp:

assuming your current install is from some time in the last 7 years, you should be fine

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wagnerrp:

assuming there is no bad data and/or corruption that may cause problems with the switch to UTF8 for 0.22

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bjd:

is that "now playing A`|" when watching livetv a known bug?

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bsterne:

wagnerrp: so if you were doing this, and you had a fresh OS with no mythtv on it, would you install 0.21 (my current version) and then let the package manager and mythtv upgrade me to 0.23, or would you install 0.23 and try to pull the relevant data in from the database backups (using the scripts sphery mentioned)

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MTughan_web:

I just tried burning a DVD using MythArchive, and the process stopped when dvdauthor quit with status 1. Where can I get some more logs on what went wrong?

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dherde:

Hi.. I installed the most recent Mythbuntu (10.4?) and cannot get vdpau working. qvdpautest says there is no vdpau implementation but libvdpau1 is installed per synaptics. Is there any way to verify the installation? (the Mythtv interface just blanks out.)

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MTughan_web:

I don't see much under /var/log.

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sphery:

bsterne: Install 0.23-fixes on the new distro (i.e. turn on auto-builds in Mythbuntu – http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds ). Then stop mythtv-setup and mythbackend, then restore the 0.21-fixes database in full--do /not/ do a partial restore. Then start mythtv-setup to upgrade your database.

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sphery:

If you install 0.21-fixes then attempt to upgrade it to 0.23-fixes, you'll likely leave garbage on the system that can cause issues.

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bsterne:

sphery: okay thanks

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bsterne:

sphery: is 0.23-fixes the released version, or something else?

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bsterne:

like, is that the 0.23 branch with extra stuff that's landed there since the 0.23 release, or is that the actual release?

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bsterne:

hmm, hopefully my question makes sense

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sphery:

bsterne: it's the released version with fixes

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bsterne:

iow, if I install 0.23 from the package manager (it's not a mythbuntu system), is that equivalent?

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sphery:

so, yeah, released with extra stuff

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sphery:

depends on distro

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sphery:

most distros build from 0.23-fixes

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bsterne:

so I shouldn't use the package manager?

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sphery:

what distro

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bsterne:

I'm using Ubuntu, just not mythbuntu

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sphery:

then it's the same as with mythbuntu

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bsterne:

okay, sweet

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sphery:

just make sure you enable the auto-builds, though, otherwise you have a pre-release version

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sphery:

I don't know if you enable the autobuilds from the same page or if it's different for non-mythbuntu

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bsterne:

so, does auto-builds put get you nightly builds or something?

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bsterne:

s/put///

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sphery:

I think they're weekly builds

[21:01:47]

sphery:

but they pull in the fixes in 0.23-fixes

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sphery:

and the package in *buntu 10.04 is a pre-0.23 version

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sphery:

there have been quite a few bugs fixed since the packaged version

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bsterne:

interesting

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sphery:

bsterne: OK, so you /do/ enable auto-builds for (non-Mythbuntu) Ubuntu at http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

[21:05:34]

** bsterne looks **

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sphery:

so just go there and click on Activate Auto Builds

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sphery:

then say yes

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sphery:

(or whatever it may ask)

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bsterne:

this is awesome, I can't believe how much easier this has gotten since my first myth system ~2004

[21:08:51]

bsterne:

I've rebuilt the box about 4 or 5 times, and in each case the time from OS reinstall to running mythtv box has dropped geometrically (exponentially would be a stretch :-))

[21:09:24]

bsterne:

but it's less than a day now, when it was weeks before

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wagnerrp:

dherde: do you actuallyhave a VDPAU supported card?

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wagnerrp:

bsterne: if you have any tv shows in mythvideo, you should flush that anyway

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo went from storing title to independent title/subtitle/season/episode fields

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MTughan_web:

Where does dvdauthor and/or MythArchive put its log files on MythBuntu?

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wagnerrp:

but it will only do that for newly scanned videos

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bsterne:

wagnerrp: hmm, I have e.g. /video/Sopranos/101 – title... but that's different, right?

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bsterne:

wagnerrp: I only manually moved recordings into my video storage

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wagnerrp:

you will probably want to dump all your mythvideo data and repopulate it

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bsterne:

eww

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wagnerrp:

to be able to take advantage of improved metadata in mythvideo

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bsterne:

including videometadata?

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bsterne:

I have hundreds of movies, any way I can avoid reentering the meta data for those?

[21:16:29]

bsterne:

when I asked my initial question re: migration tools, this was the primary use case I was thinking of

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bsterne:

I already have the cover art, data fields, on all these movies, there's got to be a way I can keep using them, no?

[21:17:40]

wagnerrp:

you have coverart, mythvideo now supports full screen fanart, banners, trailers, screenshots

[21:17:54]

wagnerrp:

the tv shows wont work until you flush them and let them get rescanned

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wagnerrp:

simple solution, move all your tv shows to somewhere outside the folder scanned by mythvideo

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bsterne:

wow, I missed a lot in the last two versions :(

[21:18:36]

wagnerrp:

then scan to flush them out, move them back in, and rescan to put them back in the database

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bsterne:

yep

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bsterne:

makes sense

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wagnerrp:

nearly all of that stuff went in for 0.22

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bsterne:

can't wait to see all the new features!

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bsterne:

I have the wife-factor at play in my household... can't do upgrades, e.g. potential service disruptions, unless she goes out of town for at least a couple days

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bsterne:

the oohs and ahhs will be nice when she gets back :)

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** J-e-f-f-A walked in to read about bsterne's "oohs and aahs"... I thought I was in the wrong channel for a minute there... **

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bsterne:

haha

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dherde:

wagnerrp: I have a zotac ion-itx-c mb. It is supported. (It worked under -0.22 and karmic.

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muns:

hello all on day 8 of this hvr-1600 not working anyone want to help get it up ;)

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[R]:

"not working" doesn't really say much

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muns:

ok this cable was plugged into tv and all working fine...cable is now plugged to digital side of card and am now going thru my scans again, i have a black screen now on all chans

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[R]:

so the tv picked up the digital cahnnels?

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[R]:

and the scan found the channels but when you try to view it its black?

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muns:

using dvb as capture and source is SD listings and then started up the us-cable scan and not sure if these are errors but does say chan lock on like 22,63,69,70–73,81 or whateva but says timed out, 13 possible channels on some of them just ## possible channels

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[R]:

huh?

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muns:

ok lemme explain a lil better

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muns:

followed the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600 and for the digital setup i followed

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muns:

doesn't show what screen output says so i am not sure if these timeouts are supposed to be there or what these possible channels are or what

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[R]:

it'll timeout if theres nothing there

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[R]:

or if its encrypted

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[R]:

theres alot of spectrum and you'll usually only scan maybe 10 channels at most

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muns:

ya programs says its encrypted

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muns:

in the middle info box when scanning

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muns:

program 1, encrypted, program 3, encrypted blahblah

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[R]:

so what is the problem

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muns:

so the problem is explained above, all i get is black screen

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[R]:

so after scanning and trying to watch an UNENCRYPTED channel yo u get no video?

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muns:

none of the channels says unencrypted

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[R]:

says?

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muns:

ok when scanning QAM-256 – Channel 22Locked ....then in middle info area...says Channel 22 – Timed Out, 13 Possible channels ...then its says Programs 1 then 2 underneath 1 and 3 under 2 blahblah ,encrypted

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[R]:

ok

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[R]:

and?

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[R]:

so those particular channels are encrypted

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muns:

i get like 22Locked, 63,69,70,71.72,73,74,82,84, and some others

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muns:

but all say encrypted in the info area

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[R]:

go to silicon dust's website

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[R]:

goto their channel list

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[R]:

type in your zipcode

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[R]:

find a single channel that is unencrypted

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muns:

done done done

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[R]:

delete all your channels

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[R]:

scan just that ONE channel

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muns:

delete?

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muns:

8vsb 49–5 49.3 KTKADT3 528x480i

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muns:

4:3

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muns:

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muns:

so what channel? 49–5

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[R]:

that's not cable

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[R]:

thats over the air

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[R]:

you have to select cable

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muns:

k

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muns:

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . neup_2127144

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muns:

i don't see a "cable" button or nuttin

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muns:

thats what i see

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[R]:

the dropdown at the top

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muns:

ya thats different cable company all together

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muns:

one i'm on is small time cable company like only 60k users on it

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muns:

from texas-kansas pretty much small rural cable companies

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[R]:

well either find a zipcode that has the information on their website

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[R]:

or find out what frequencies they are using

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muns:

schedules direct possibly?

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[R]:

schedules direct doesnt care about freque3ncies

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[R]:

does your tv tell you the real channel and not the mapped channel?

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muns:

if i have cable plugged into it?

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muns:

or u mean thru the card

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[R]:

huh?

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muns:

u asked find what frequencies they using...i'm finding it now

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muns:

how would i scan a certain frequency then?

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[R]:

when you are in myth and going to scan

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[R]:

it asks what channels to scan

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gizmobay:

Can someone tell me what package has the QGLWidget on 10.04?

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muns:

our channels are 2–68,83,84,85,97 and then some hd chans in there but don't really care bout these hd i just want darn 2–97 lol

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muns:

hell i just want 1 chan to come in and i'll be happy for a lil bit

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[R]:

so scan channel 2

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muns:

k qam-64? 128? 256?

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muns:

i'll try em all

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gizmobay:

I think I foiund it libqt4-opengl-dev

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[R]:

muns: you'll have to try them all

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muns:

kk brb

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro, sphery: ping, anyone there?

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iamlindoro:

I'm here for a few minutes, but in and out

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skd5aner:

np, wanted to get your opinion real quick...

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skd5aner:

on the wiki, up until the official release, I had not been adding anything to the .24 release notes that had be backported

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iamlindoro:

If it made its debut in .23, it's safe to leave off the .24 release notes

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skd5aner:

now that the release is out, anything that's backported isn't actually in "0.23", but in -fixes (or pre 0.23.1 depending on who you ask)... should I include them in .24 release notes now, or continue to leave things off that made it into some 0.23 branch?

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iamlindoro:

Depends on whether you plan to maintain a .23-fixes release notes

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skd5aner:

well, I had renamed 0.23.1 release notes to 0.23-fixes, but wagnerrp undid it and changed it back

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iamlindoro:

I don't have strong opinions on it one way or another

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iamlindoro:

I doubt many other devs do either

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skd5aner:

so, I don't really mind either way – but I figured some of this stuff going in (obviously primarly bug fixes) wouldn't find a home anywhere

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iamlindoro:

I think you can put it anywhere you like

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skd5aner:

np, like I said, was just wanting to get your thoughts

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iamlindoro:

Don't think it will bother anyone either way

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skd5aner:

I'm about 10 days behind, lots of travel and work and home stuff... so, just getting to the points in -commits where it makes a difference

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skd5aner:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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skd5aner:

Maybe on .23 I'll just put an asterisk or something with a key that says "* – backported to 0.23-fixes" or something

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skd5aner:

eh... we'll see

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markl_:

which harmony remote is a good one to try, harmony one?

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markl_:

to emulate a win mce remote and dish network dvr remote

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner, That's probably a reasonable solution

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skd5aner:

markl_: any should work

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iamlindoro:

or color the text differently, or whatever

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bsterne:

sphery: this is glorious! everything's working

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bsterne:

just wanted to let you know

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: yea, I'll probably wait till Monday to get back into the swing of things, and play around and see what looks good, have a good weekend

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iamlindoro:

likewise, have fun

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muns:

k none of the chans are locking on cept the ones i posted earlier like 22,63,69,70–74,80

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muns:

and some others but starts at channel 22

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muns:

which then lists bunch of programs under it that says encrypted

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muns:

i've done us-cable, cable-irc, cable-hrc, and still nada but the same ones

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iamlindoro:

So those are the ones which are unencrypted digital

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iamlindoro:

and the ones your TV got were analog channels

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muns:

chans 2–68,83,84,85,97 are ones i should be picking up

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iamlindoro:

Which are analog channel numbers

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muns:

sure

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iamlindoro:

Which you won't get with a digital tuner

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muns:

i'm testing analog again

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iamlindoro:

Hope you're not scanning for analog

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muns:

so i make my ivtv capture card then video source SD, then fetch chans and walla should be fine right?

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iamlindoro:

What's "walla" ?

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muns:

voilla

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iamlindoro:

voila ;)

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muns:

yup that too

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muns:

ya my whole before scanning of analog doesn't even work haha didn't work i mean

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iamlindoro:

If your source is properly defined and your lineup is correctly defined at SD, yes, that is what you do

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muns:

kk

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** iamlindoro goes away **

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muns:

i'm doing the mythfilldatabase now and gonna see what i get on outcome in a sec

[23:00:07]

muns:

haha i'll be here till i get it fixed...got one more week till i return it if its not up by then

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iamlindoro:

remember that analog may not be your default input when you start TV-- you may have to change inputs through the menu during Live TV if you want to use the other tuner

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muns:

i only have one cable inserted

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muns:

to the analog

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muns:

right now...testing again since digital i gave up on for a sec

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muns:

yup same static

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muns:

back to digital

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muns:

now upon following this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600#Backend_Setup ....do i really have to create an analog and digital section in backend even if i only have 1 cable inserted on the card

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muns:

cuz i just bought me a cable amplifier just in case signal was low which cable is fine when cable is connected to tv but bought amp anyways

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muns:

to test it out

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muns:

so your saying 2–97 is analog...but i'm not even getting any analog at all just fuzz

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muns:

and yes i have it connected on the hvr-1600 right on the tv "cable" side

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner, iamlindoro: basically, my complaint was that they were 'release notes' rather than 'change logs'

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wagnerrp:

if '0.23.1' never gets released, so be it... but '0.23-fixes' is not something that would ever be released

[23:21:02]

wagnerrp:

0.23.1 would be branched from it for release instead

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jolaren:

Is it possible to set the Miro Bridge to display it's content on mythweb under specific labels?

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: What are you trying to do. I have added the optional "Miro" channel and a channel icon and the Miro videos show up in MythWeb's Recorded Programs screen with their textual meta data

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jolaren:

RDV_Linux: When watchin the videos over flash @ mythweb they are not propertly listed (not at all) you have to go thro all recordings and find them manually

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: Did you add a Miro Channel?

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jolaren:

I'm not sure if I understand you now

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: You can do it through Mirobridge see the wiki http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MiroBridge#Adding_ . . . 8optional.29

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jolaren:

RDV_Linux: There' already a Miro Channel listed tho

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: I am not sure yet what you are trying to do. I just tried playing a miro video through MythWeb but it did not play. What do you see in the MythWeb Recorded Programs page for Miro videos?

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pak0:

begin prog = xmame button = Back/Exit config = 1 end

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pak0:

ups

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pak0:

sorrt

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jolaren:

RDV_Linux: When trying to browse the channel I get "redirect loop errors"

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jolaren:

but apart from that it works fine viewing them. .

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jolaren:

just that they arent listed

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pak0:

i have one error with mythshutdown and cant find info on google, mythshutdown --startup returned : 127

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jolaren:

so i have to go thro all recordings to find them

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: Everthing you describe is in regards to MythWeb and MiroBridge. Do these same videos show up and play in Watched Recordings and MythVideo?

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[R]:

pak0: what if you enable verbose?

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: That first sentence was a question to be confirmed by you.

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i guess those 'reallytightearmuffs' are preventing us getting through to him that its not a bug

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jolaren:

RDV_Linux: Yes, correct.

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muns:

kk someone help me get this up or somebodies gettin fired

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muns:

;)

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wagnerrp:

cutting off the sound and/or blood to the brain

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jolaren:

adress//mythweb/tv/channel/9999/1273966456 gives me a redir loop warning and wont show the channel listed by mythweb

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jolaren:

i.e the miro bridge

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: Well that is symlink to the actual miro directory. Do the videos all show up in the MythWeb Recorded Programs page?

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jolaren:

They do but under "all program" RDV_Linux

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muns:

done every scan on the dvb capture card settings for this hvr-1600 and scanned terrestrial 8vsb, qam-64, qam-128, qam-256 and still same results with channel 22,63,69,71,72,73 and few others locked on

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: Is this the error you are getting "The page isn't redirecting properly"?

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jolaren:

"Sidan dirigeras om felaktigt" which is the Swedish translation of what you've just type

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muns:

now those "channels" aint the tv channel 22 for example cuz it says programs ##, encrypted

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jolaren:

d

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muns:

what do i put under the "Use quick tuning:" "never", or "LiveTV only", or "always"

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: OK, this is because the Miro channel is just there to make the FE "Watch Recordings" screen look nicer. There is no EPG data behind the Miro channel. The schedule for new videos is entirely dependant on the MiroBridge cronjob and the source web sites.

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jolaren:

I see, so there is no solution :-) Well I thank you for your help anyways =)

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jolaren:

Btw, do you know of a quick way to remove duplicates?

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jolaren:

When I installed Mirobridge it created like 100 copies of some of my movies

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jolaren:

like in a loop

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jolaren:

has been fixed now tho

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jolaren:

But manually clicking D and remove is killing me

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: These was a bug that was fixed a couple of weeks ago when a Miro video had invalid metadata (e.g. no title) duplicates occurred. That is fixed in 0.23 and trunk.

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jolaren:

Yes, it is fixed

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jolaren:

But they have not been remove

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jolaren:

d

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: Nothing I can suggest except for the delete method that was killing you

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jolaren:

I'm backin up my movies

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jolaren:

and removing them

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jolaren:

then reinstalling miro

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jolaren:

easier

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jolaren:

It's so great with such a helpful community :)

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: Before restoring your movies but after installing Miro run mirobridge once and it will clean up any left over miro records in MythTV db

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muns:

i get stuff like this when scanning i see in the terminal window

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muns:

qam_256:573000000:::3:1:mpeg 0:cnt(pnum:4,channum:10)

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muns:

qam_256:573000000:::13:1:mpeg 0:cnt(pnum:3,channum:10)

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muns:

qam_256:609000000:::3:1641:mpeg 0:cnt(pnum:4,channum:10)

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muns:

lookin good? or no

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muns:

and is the signal strength and signal noise broken when scanning digital side in 0.23?

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muns:

2010-05–15 18:45:31.971 DVBChan(4:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: Tune(): Setting Frontend tuning parameters failed.

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muns:

eno: Invalid argument (22)

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