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Wicked:

well the frontend is a bit more then i would want to casually watch livetv on the desktop.

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wagnerrp:

or you could record a show on the backend, and stream a second show from the backend to mythfrontend running on your desktop

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wagnerrp:

mythtv expects dedicated access to hardware

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jya:

has anyone experienced this with recent trunk? using vdpau, when the OSD is displayed, it often cover the whole area, slightly greyish hiding the whole picture...

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wagnerrp:

if you are actively using the first tuner on the HDHR when mythtv goes to record using it

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Wicked:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will outright fail

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Wicked:

ah

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Wicked:

thats what i was wondering

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend has no failover on tuners

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Wicked:

seeing how the hdhr is on the network..i was no idea how it would work...if it would lock the hdhr to something or if it would support mulitple connections at the same time

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Wicked:

err. typed out 2 different thoughts there hehe

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wagnerrp:

the official HDHR quicktv application would see the first tuner in use and locked, and use the second

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Wicked:

*i had no idea how it would work

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wagnerrp:

mythtv would just find the tuner locked, and fail to record

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Wicked:

ah

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Wicked:

so technically it can do what i want...just mythtv wont play nice with it

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wagnerrp:

correct

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Wicked:

thanks for clearing that up for me :)

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wagnerrp:

its the same thing with using a cable box at the same time mythtv is trying to use it for analog or firewire capture

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Wicked:

yea

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highzeth:

is anyone able to add/edit transports under .23-fixes? Its showing a 'blank' screen here, title & frame only.

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psm321:

is comcast clear qam (for dta channels) dead everywhere?

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psm321:

wow, i'm 2 versions out of date now :)

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psm321:

hmm, i dont see any talk of it on the mailing list

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psm321:

how can i tell whether it's some sort of tuning problem or my channels are now encrypted?

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dherde:

Good Evening.. In ubuntu karmic, I am trying to get my nvidia-190 drivers to activate for my myth setup, but It fails saying "SystemjError: InstallArchives Failed" Has anyone run across this?

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dherde:

Guess not.. Well Good Night

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psm321:

how can i temporarily disable some tuners without removing them completely from the setup?

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sphery:

psm321: you should really remove them. on the bright side, removing capture cards will not affect channels or video sources, so it's really easy to re-add them later.

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sphery:

if you want to disable all of them, though, just start mythbackend with the --nosched argument (check --help, but I think that's it)

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psm321:

sphery: will that work on a slave backend?

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psm321:

what i really should do is go through and figure out which channels are encrypted now (its not quite all of them) and remove the others

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psm321:

well what i really should do is cancel comcast, but i dont know if i can bring myself to do that :)

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sphery:

psm321: yeah, just use mythtv-setup and hit D on any capture cards that you want disabled

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psm321:

thats delete right?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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psm321:

it took me some finagling to give the cards the tuner IDs i wanted when i set them up... dont necessarily want to mess with that until i've figured out what i'm doing longer term

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wagnerrp:

theres nothing defined for a tuner card in mythtv that cannot be recreated in under two minutes

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kc:

psm321: Comcast is rolling out encryption to all non ota channels in different areas over time. I was not impacted until a month or two ago where others were encrypted for several months now.

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wagnerrp:

kc: not quite

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wagnerrp:

comcast is run by a number of independent franchises

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psm321:

kc: looks like it happened all at once for me. except i still have the same channels that are still in analog also on clear qam

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wagnerrp:

each franchise has to apply for their own waiver to enable privacy mode on the DTAs

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psm321:

wagnerrp: are you sure about that? i never heard that before

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kc:

wagnerrp: right, they need to apply per franchise, but eventually they will all be encrypted

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kc:

I have no doubt in that

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kc:

psm321: re: all at once. Yea, I could get most standard def channels via clear qam. One day they encrypted all but the locals (and travel channel for some reason)

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kc:

I opted to buy an antenna

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Nixon:

I can't get mytharchive to work it terminates ffmpeg with an interleave error everytime? any ideas?

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kc:

Anything I would normally watch that is not on the locals I can get via hulu.

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psm321:

kc: yeah i used to get all the DTA (regular basic) channels

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psm321:

kc: now, they are all encrypted except the same channels i still have in analog

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psm321:

kc: i like to have my mythbox as one-stop tv shopping though... plus i'm crazy and like to collect/keep stuff

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psm321:

kc: i suppose i should work on a plugin to make hulu a "tuner" source :)

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wagnerrp:

or

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kc:

psm321: I am the same, but for $78 less, I can deal with just watching certain shows via hulu and not storing them

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wagnerrp:

you use MythNetVision

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wagnerrp:

mythtv would never support hulu as a tuner source anyway, as the TOS do not allow download for long term storage

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kc:

Agreed. s/hulu/mythnetvision & hulu

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wagnerrp:

or download in any manner besides their own authorized programs

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psm321:

wagnerrp: i dont have to publish my plugin :)

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wagnerrp:

well have fun breaking RTMPe

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psm321:

wagnerrp: hmm, i wonder how some of the commercial guys get away with it without lawsuits

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wagnerrp:

they pay to license the content

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Kazan:

i'm hoping someone gets the Ceton InfiniTV 4 working in linux w/ the Cablecards in it

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Kazan:

mwahahaha

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wagnerrp:

hehe... nigel made a funny

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Kazan:

that would be epic sweet

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wagnerrp:

Kazan: not a chance

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wagnerrp:

cablelabs would never authorize even binary drivers for linux

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wagnerrp:

because there is no mechanism to have a secure video transfer to the video output in linux

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wagnerrp:

which only leaves reverse engineering

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wagnerrp:

anyone who would actually stand to gain from such tech, also lives in a country where developing and releasing such drivers bring criminal charges

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psm321:

if it did happen (i know it won't), i might be able to overcome my philosophical objection to paying per tuner in favor of the more pragmatic approach

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psm321:

wagnerrp: http://www.playon.tv/ is the one i was thinking of

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wagnerrp:

dont know how they get away with that, i doubt theyre in any way compliant

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wagnerrp:

of course it doesnt hurt that theyre based out of some island nation in the south pacific

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psm321:

so mythnetvision is what? just a way to watch without recording?

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wagnerrp:

MNV is basically a scraper and frontend to provide easy access to mythbrowser and the flash player

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psm321:

wagnerrp: on the cablecard front, i had read on some of the windows pvr forums that a lot of the non-premium channels don't have the "don't copy" bit set and the windows software lets you save decrypted recordings from those channels. you don't think they would allow even that on linux?

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wagnerrp:

no

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[R]:

psm321: seeing as they'll never allow interfacing with the cable card...

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psm321:

well i guess theres no way to prevent somebody from fiddling with even a binary driver to ignore that bit

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wagnerrp:

most channels still some sort of copy flag set

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psm321:

oh

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wagnerrp:

and as a result, WMC will store them encrypted on the disk

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psm321:

maybe it was a different cable co

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wagnerrp:

and they have to be passed back through the tuner, and authenticated for use at the time of playback

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wagnerrp:

meaning the cableco can revoke the right to play those recordings at any time

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wagnerrp:

there has been talk of getting the HDHR cablecard working under linux

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wagnerrp:

but it will be in a limited capacity

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wagnerrp:

you would only be able to use those shows marked 'copy freely'

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wagnerrp:

which are the same things you can already recording over firewire from a cable box

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psm321:

it's funny that they're so crazy about protecting content which used to be in the clear on analog

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psm321:

its not like the super-compressed digital is much better quality

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Cap_J_L_Picard:

anyone here using a HVR-1110 (that's the triangular one) in the UK?

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Cap_J_L_Picard:

I know it's early for the UK ;)

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psm321:

thats a funny-looking card :)

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hot_wheelz:

Hi does any one have a fully mapped properly working lirc.conf file for a Logitech Harmony Remote?

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wagnerrp:

hot_wheelz: there is no such thing

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wagnerrp:

you havent yet responded, so ill explain anyway

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wagnerrp:

the harmony remotes do not have any signal set to call their own

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hot_wheelz:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

so there is nothing to program against

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wagnerrp:

you choose some other remote to have the harmony imitate, and program lirc against that

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hot_wheelz:

i pulled the one from here http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/logitech/HarmonyOne but when doing somthing like push say 7 it shows up as 777 witch of course is invalid

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hot_wheelz:

and seems to be a little jumpy aswell

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wagnerrp:

the 'MythTV' profile on the harmony remotes is duplicating that of the hauppauge gray remote

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wagnerrp:

you can find lircrc files for that online

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wagnerrp:

if you are getting repeats like that, you need to go into the lircrc file, and adjust the repeat limiter

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hot_wheelz:

to somthing like?

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wagnerrp:

setting it to 3 means that three presses in rapid succession will be read as one, four will be read as two, seven will be read as three, etc....

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hot_wheelz:

so that's why it jumping then

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wagnerrp:

correct, you need to set the repeat to squelch out those rapid fire commands

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wagnerrp:

and thats in the lircrc, set per application

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wagnerrp:

not the lirc.conf

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hot_wheelz:

what do i type to get to that then?

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hot_wheelz:

+wagnerrp?

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BaZiL:

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Jay2k1:

So, when watching a DVB-C HD channel, I experience some stuttering every now and then – seems it happens when there's lots of image information. For example, when watching the news, the background behind the speaker is mostly blue, it's ok then, but when they show a recording which was taken outside with lots of colors, it starts stuttering

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Jay2k1:

top then shows that the FE has between 100 and 110% cpu

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Jay2k1:

now my question is, do i necessarily have to buy a faster cpu? or will a graphics card do (using old onboard graphics atm)? if a new GPU helps, will i have to use vdpau to make use of it?

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Jay2k1:

using an Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (2.6GHz) with onboard nVidia 6150 or something atm

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justinh:

Jay2k1: if the playback profile you're using isn't set to use 2 cores, setting it to use 2 might help – but that's dependent on the streams being 'sliced'. Broadcast stuff tends to be sliced though

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Jay2k1:

i'll check it out, thanks

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Jay2k1:

i take it using 2 cores is not the default settings?

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Jay2k1:

because I never touched playback profiles

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justinh:

I think so

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pak0:

i?m trying to set arclight theme same is here http://www.fecitfacta.com/Arclight/Gallery.html

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pak0:

but on menus i dont have the same level of transparency

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justinh:

arclight comes as arclight is *intended* to be

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justinh:

whether or not that looks exactly the same as the original screenshots

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justinh:

anyway I don't care. I just bought two Joggler thingies for £49.99 each :D

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pak0:

justinh you remember my problem with various dvbt with af9015?

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pak0:

all become with the eit mode for guide

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justinh:

no

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pak0:

i have unchecked the option for constantly used eit for update database, and only open dvb card on demand, and uses xmltv for eit, and solved all pmy problems about black recordings and poor signal

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justinh:

mmm 7 inch touchscreen, wired & wireless ethernet, onboard audio, USB ports... all for £49.99. No idea when I'll get timeto to play with them though

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xand:

any "sky freesat" users here? you can get free-to-air channels with it, without silly sky hardware right?

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justinh:

xand: no, freesat from sky requires a Sky STB

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justinh:

but Freesat only requires a DVB-S tuner card

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xand:

justinh: are you sure, what I have read says that is only for certain channels

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justinh:

YES it's confuzzling. Freesat – and 'Freesat from Sky'

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justinh:

Freesat covers only FREE TO AIR channels you don't need Sky's decoder stuff for

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justinh:

Freesat From Sky covers Sky's FREE TO VIEW channels you need Sky's crummy STB for

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justinh:

so whether you need a box or not depends on which 'freesat' you're on about

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justinh:

Sky should be killed for naming their FTV service 'freesat from Sky' IMHO

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xand:

wikipedia page on "freesat from sky" says "Over 200 free-to-air channels (which do not require either a viewing card or a Sky receiver to watch) are available"

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justinh:

as if there wasn't already enough confusion in the marketplace

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justinh:

xand: as if wikipedia is always right!

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justinh:

freesat from sky requires a Sky STB to decode the 'free to view' channels

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justinh:

if all you want is the 'free to air' channels, then it shouldn't even be called 'freesat from sky' – ONLY FREESAT

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xand:

so, if you have "freesat" can you just add a sky STB/card to get the FTV channels?

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justinh:

NO

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Dibblah:

Heh. This is going to be fun, stateside. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ytech_wguy/20100513/t . . . _wguy_tc2047

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justinh:

oh wait.. hang on

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Dibblah:

"A decision handed down by the FCC this week will allow content providers (namely cable and satellite companies) to selectively turn off the outputs on the back of cable boxes and other devices on a program-by-program basis and for a limited time."

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justinh:

if you have freesat already you can add a Sky STB & viewing card but you'll have to capture the STB output with an analogue capture card

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justinh:

you can't use the 'free to view' channels in mythtv with only a DVB-S tuner

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xand:

I'm not talking about FTV ones

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xand:

well I was there

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xand:

but, if you had "freesat from sky" does it have FTA channels

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justinh:

if you just talk about FTA channels, that's just Freesat

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justinh:

yes

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justinh:

if you get 'freesat from sky' you get their STB & a viewing card

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justinh:

er.. if you buy it I mean

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xand:

I live in a block of flats and the management company are getting sky to put a shared dish on the roof... they say it will provide a "freesat" service to anyone with a socket on the wall

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justinh:

one-off fee for the hardware

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xand:

wondering if I can just use a DVB-S card to get the FTA channels

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justinh:

yeah you should be able to hook that up to a DVB-S tuner & get all the Freesat channels – that's everything broadcast Free To Air

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xand:

nto really bothered about the FTV ones

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justinh:

oh noes! How will I live without my Audi TV channel?! :-O

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justinh:

;)

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justinh:

can Sky please now go die in a fire? Seriously

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Jay2k1:

i second that

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justinh:

calling their stuff 'freesat from Sky' shouldn't be allowed by OFCOM

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justinh:

maybe something like SkySkint instead :P

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xand:

I don't want to give them any money, or use their shitty hardware

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xand:

but if I can use the satelite dish with freesat that'll be fine, the freeview reception we get is shit

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highzeth:

they broadcast via the same bird, so as long as the landlord dont go the sat->analog route you'll be fine.

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justinh:

heh I doubt they'd do that. think of the expense!

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pak0:

i`m learning how to set http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup

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pak0:

at this moment i have set all, and my computer starts on manually test

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pak0:

upps

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pak0:

with mythwelcome i cant leave from mythfrontend

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BaZiL:

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justinh:

BaZiL: try asking in English please :)

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justinh:

looks like you're asking if mythtv can be used with comhem digital.. that depends on a few things

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natanojl:

BaZiL: I do

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BaZiL:

heh .. ok .. sorry .. well . yea i am asking about mythtv in comhem digital, i am on the verge of buying whats needed and need some one to tell me what to buy

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BaZiL:

justinh depending on what ?

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justinh:

depending on what exactly comhem digital is, if they encrypt services...

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justinh:

if it's cable or satellite, sometimes you need to capture content via a set top box

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BaZiL:

cable

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BaZiL:

i am running an analog mythtv via comhem today

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BaZiL:

and i wanna go digital

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BaZiL:

because i got a shitload of channels on hte box i got today

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justinh:

BaZiL: then you will need a DVB-C tuner for mythtv – but not just any DVB-C tuner – it has to be one with CI. Then you need a CAM from the cable provider to plug into the DVB-C tuner CI slot

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justinh:

and watch your language in here

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BaZiL:

sry .. didnt know that word was not ok .. my bad, will never happen again

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justinh:

there was a cleanup a while ago to make the channel family friendly

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justinh:

IMHO the channel is no better for it ;)

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bjd:

heh

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justinh:

apart from the banning of 2 notable people, but they were more annoying than any swearing ever was

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BaZiL:

hehe -.. im not anoying ;) .. unless u count stupid questions ;)

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justinh:

oops. that'll teach me to edit php included in actual pages.

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Kew:

Hello, anybod running a setup with backend/frontend with trailers Storage Groups? (Mythbuntu) Im having a problem with the "Play with trailers" option: The frontend tries to play them local, instead of over the storage group from the backend. The "Play trailer" option is working fine. Any ideas?? :(

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Chiwauwa:

Hi ... Todays question ... now playing with a dedicated backend ... to work around the issue I talked about yesterday with the DVB card not being detected properly – I suspect that it has something to do with the motherboard ... it is acting weird. Question: How to export the channel setup from my existing setup to the new backend server. I have already copied the channels icons to the new backend. I've also looked into MySQL and can see that I ha

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Chiwauwa:

ve to backup/restore the 'channels' table ... but is that it ... no, as the path to the icon isn't mentioned in the table. How is this done the most efficient way?

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wagnerrp:

why are you setting up a new independent backend?

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wagnerrp:

just use the existing datatabase

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wagnerrp:

and the existing video source (which contains the channels)

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Chiwauwa:

I believe suspectt the motherboard and the dvb card has some interoperability issues ...

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wagnerrp:

right... but mythtv supports multiple simultaneous backends

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Chiwauwa:

When I disable the internal audio card on the mb the IDE drives can no longer be detected etc.

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wagnerrp:

one gets set up as the master, and the rest connect into it as slaves

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wagnerrp:

or, you can just change the IP set as the master backend, and move completely over to the new machine

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wagnerrp:

there should be no need to duplicate anything

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Chiwauwa:

Yes, any consideration about which one that has to be the master. The current setup is located in my living room, so I would like to avoid that the computer in the living room has to be on when I'm watching TV in the office.

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wagnerrp:

if you are setting up a dedicated backend, just shove all the hard drives and tuners in there, and have it as the only backend

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Chiwauwa:

Exactly ... the idea was to move to the new machine and use that as the backend for the existing frontend.

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wagnerrp:

right, so why would you need to duplicate anything

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Chiwauwa:

I just wanted to reuse the channel configuration from the existing setup

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wagnerrp:

just reuse the whole database

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wagnerrp:

use the backup/restore script to dump it from the one sql server, and insert it into the other

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Chiwauwa:

Hmm ... just make a complete backup on the existing setup and then restore it on the new backend?

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Chiwauwa:

Makes sense ... if ... what about the frontend settings? Are none of those in the MySQL db?

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wagnerrp:

they all are

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wagnerrp:

they are indexed by hostname

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wagnerrp:

so if the hostname of your frontend is not changing, your frontend will remain configured

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Chiwauwa:

So when I set my backend ip in the frontend to the new backend ip then the settings will be retrieved from the MySQL DB on the backend?

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Chiwauwa:

Ok

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Chiwauwa:

One question behind you all the time :-)

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wagnerrp:

now the new backend will have to be set up from scratch

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Chiwauwa:

That is good to hear as this was something that I have been considering.

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wagnerrp:

but your sources will already exist, including the full channel lineup that they contain

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wagnerrp:

all you have to do is specify where your tuner cards are, and bind the sources to their inputs

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wagnerrp:

doesnt take more than a couple minutes

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Chiwauwa:

Let me summarize to make sure that I got it right. Make a backup on the existing setup of the MySQL db, Restore the db on the new backend, configure the capture cards in the backend setup and then add the backend ip to the settings of the existing frontend.

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oobe:

anyone know about setting up alsa HDMI audio with myth I have a problem when i use alsa:HDMI i can control volume with pcm or master but software mixer works

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wagnerrp:

no, you set the master backend ip in the first page of the first section of mythtv-setup

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oobe:

however software mixer is a bit buggy

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wagnerrp:

those options are only saved when you get through the last page and hit finish, so make sure to go through that whole thing

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wagnerrp:

and technically, the master backend do not /have/ to house the sql server

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Chiwauwa:

wagnerrp, I know that I can add the ip of the MySQL server

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Chiwauwa:

I think that we agree

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wagnerrp:

the first page of the first section set the IPs that the master and local backend will use

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wagnerrp:

each backend will check the database, and lookup what IP is set to be used by its hostname

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wagnerrp:

thats what it will listen on

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wagnerrp:

it will then check if that IP is set the same as the master backend IP, and if so, it will initialize as the master backend

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wagnerrp:

if not, it will set itself up as a slave and try to connect to the backend at the address specified

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wagnerrp:

the database is completely independent of this whole process, and can be where ever you want so long as all myth hardware can access it

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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Chiwauwa:

Thank you. Again. I will try to set it up. I will let you know about the result.

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psm321:

random question: do 0.22/0.23 still have a classic blue theme available?

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justinh:

nope

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psm321:

k :(

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justinh:

everybody but you hated blue :)

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psm321:

heh

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justinh:

somebody could bring blue back of course, if they put in the work to make it mythui friendly

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justinh:

and tart it up so it's more than just a menu theme – which was all it basically ever was anyway

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psm321:

what else is there to themes?

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justinh:

plenty

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psm321:

(i'm still on 0.21-fixes, not familiar with the newer stuff)

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justinh:

virtually every screen, every popup menu, every widget...

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justinh:

you name it

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psm321:

k

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justinh:

theming is a big deal

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justinh:

it always was – just most 'theme' creators hardly ever bothered

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psm321:

i suppose i could play with the new themes when i finally upgrade

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psm321:

i just happen to like the way my current setup looks :)

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justinh:

they considered their theme 'finished' after only ever doing the menu

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justinh:

charlatans!

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psm321:

how about the "classic" menu layout, is that still avaailable with the various themes? (i.e. where my main screen is TV and Setup and maybe some plugins and then under TV I get Watch TV, Schedule Recordings, System Status, etc)

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justinh:

no idea

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psm321:

k

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psm321:

thanks :)

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skd5aner:

justinh: when you submitting a new theme? I think it's time for you to get your hands dirty again ;)

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justinh:

I think it's time I left well alone. I have more than enough projects keeping me busy

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justinh:

http://www.newtonheathdtc.co.uk/news/agility-news

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justinh:

oops

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justinh:

stupidright click paste

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skd5aner:

at least it wasn't something embarrassing

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skd5aner:

although, now I've got to ask – you into dog agility training?

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justinh:

not personally, though I take my dog to fun agility sessions & basic obedience lessons – he likes the socialising

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skd5aner:

cool

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justinh:

the club needed a website, I said I'd do one for them & got it up live this week

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skd5aner:

nice

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justinh:

wordpress is blimmin brilliant. I knew it was flexible, but not to the extent it is

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justinh:

though when my joggler arrives I might be inspired to try & do something about touchscreen support in myth. Or not

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wagnerrp:

justinh: mythcenter is not the 'classic blue'?

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wagnerrp:

or is he talking about the blue one with the round buttons?

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justinh:

the latter, I think

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justinh:

sadly mythcenter just won't die :-(

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wagnerrp:

what little of it there is anyway

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justinh:

though it has to be said it looks better than it ever used to, now

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psm321:

looks like blue got a newer incarnation before it died?

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wagnerrp:

there is mythcenter, which is basically just the base mythui defaults, and a bit of color

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justinh:

newer than the awful screenshots people lazily show

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wagnerrp:

but the theme that was actually called 'blue' is outright dead

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psm321:

yeah but even the dead blue seems to have 2 versions

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wagnerrp:

maybe, but not in recent history

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psm321:

this is the one i'm used to: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons . . . _italian.png

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psm321:

then there's this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons . . . lue_menu.png

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justinh:

wish we could kill wikipedia too

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wagnerrp:

ive never seen that second picture

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justinh:

it was an earlier version

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justinh:

I always preferred it

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psm321:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i was going to say it looks less bad

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psm321:

i dont think i've ever seen it... i'm either forgetfull or it's older than my mythtv use (since ~2005)

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justinh:

there's nothing to stop you downloading any of the older versions & trying to breathe new life into them

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psm321:

i probably will

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psm321:

when i get around to upgrading

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wagnerrp:

the buttons are better defined, icons are better, and the background doesnt bleed through

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psm321:

alternatively, i might cancel comcast and go to read-only myth mode and just leave well-enough alone

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the 18.1 image is the modern layout

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wagnerrp:

the previous one seems to be before it supported plugins

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psm321:

ok so yeah thats before 2005

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psm321:

there were plugins when i started using myth

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wagnerrp:

huh... a 22ct gold iPad

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psm321:

part of my resistance to upgrading is i have lots of small custom hacks that i'd have to either discard or update

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wagnerrp:

weighs what... 30lbs?

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justinh:

heh somehow I don't think it'd be solid gold

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psm321:

anyways, time to go to work... thanks for the help! (and tonight i have to try and get mythweb working so i can contribute to the stats thread on the mailing list... i think i win!)

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wagnerrp:

well obviously it would only be the back cover

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justinh:

look – my wee wee is bigger than your wee wee!

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psm321:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

and then im sure they have a /real/ back cover underneath since gold has no strength

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justinh:

I wouldn't want a gold-plated mobile device of any kind – I mean it'll just be weakly plated & it's soon gonna wear off, gold being as soft as it is

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wagnerrp:

for $189k, I'd sure hope its more than a cheap electroplating

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justinh:

though if I get much web design work for other clubs on that back of this site I may just be able to afford an iPad

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justinh:

a guy I know (who sells £200 'business card' websites) reckons it'd have cost a few grand iff they'd gone to him :-O

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** wagnerrp thinks they should have had more lens flare on the photo of it **

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wagnerrp:

do svideo->composite adapters work in reverse?

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justinh:

oof. they do say solid

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justinh:

wagnerrp: yes & no

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justinh:

wagnerrp: yes, meaning it'll 'work' but it won't actually be separated Y & C

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wagnerrp:

i want to tell someone they should be using composite capture off their STB

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wagnerrp:

but im wondering if after the conversion of that to svideo for their PVR will actually be better than RF

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justinh:

all those adapters generally are – the passive ones at least – are a capacitor

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justinh:

course it'll be better than RF

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justinh:

not much isn't better than RF

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wagnerrp:

it actually says its a composite input

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justinh:

well, maybe broadcast RF... but their modulators cost a tidgy bit more than something in the back of a STB ;)

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wagnerrp:

but i dont remember getting any sort of adapter with my 150

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justinh:

I didn't get one with mine either

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justinh:

they tended to be supplied with VGA cards featuring TV output

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ive collected half a dozen or so over the years

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wagnerrp:

im just wondering how they can claim that a composite input

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justinh:

depends on the input matrix of the video decoder ;-)

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wagnerrp:

looks like someone drove our other '3d monitor' up here from campus

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wagnerrp:

first time ive seen it, possibly the most ghetto piece of computer equipment in here

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** justinh wonders what stream type PID (0x12) is **

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wagnerrp:

its two Planar LCDs, with one bolted on top of the other, tilted forward some 80deg

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wagnerrp:

with some mirrored glass in the middle to overlay the two displays

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wagnerrp:

trickery and lies, display manufacturers are taking their cues from cheap magicians now

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justinh:

ruh- somebody wants to record EIT data in mythtv file? heh

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wagnerrp:

and weve got a Spartan FPGA card here for... something

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wagnerrp:

with DVI in and out

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wagnerrp:

no idea what thats supposed to be for

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justinh:

like this? http://www.xilinx.com/products/devkits/DO-S3A . . . -G-image.htm

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wagnerrp:

oh, its probably to flip the image for the top display

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wagnerrp:

not sure why that couldnt be done by the nvidia card

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wagnerrp:

no, a PCI card

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wagnerrp:

FPGA, with a pair of silicon image chips for DVI in/out

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wagnerrp:

as far as i can tell, it doesnt even connect to the PC, just uses PCI for power

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wagnerrp:

http://www.planar3d.com

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wagnerrp:

at least its better resolution than the 512x768 parallax sharp

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** iamlindoro prepares to kick 0OoOoO0OoOoO0 **

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iamlindoro:

/oobe/bloompy/schloompy/floompy

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justinh:

the new schmoo!

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oobe:

hi

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justinh:

suddenly I remember I was going to see about borring a projector from work this weekend

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wagnerrp:

projectors are not sentient, they cannot be bored

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justinh:

oops. borrow

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wagnerrp:

nvidia's quadro cards actually have an option in their driver to do horizontal and vertical flipping, specifically for this purpose

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand what this FPGA could possibly be doing

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justinh:

to sell hardware people don't really need?

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wagnerrp:

certainly not worth a $50 card when it can be done for free in software

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wagnerrp:

or at least do it in the monitor itself, i mean they did build the things

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Jay2k1:

hey iamlindoro, quick question regarding your lossless-cut-h.264-script

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Jay2k1:

you said it works on keyframes only, suggesting to put cutmarks a second into the actual material

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Jay2k1:

i usually set cutmarks directly on keyframes, that should work right out of the box then right?

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muns:

might anyone have any insight on how to get this hvr-1600 to work on a mythbuntu 10.04 LTS fresh install, i've updated the firmware and still getting fuzz when wtching tv, no video or audio basically

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wagnerrp:

fuzz, as in analog static?

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muns:

black/white with some coloriation in ther

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wagnerrp:

what are you trying to record?

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muns:

i can change channels using the keyboard 2–97 and all the same fuzz....trying to get this to work

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muns:

record anything lol

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wagnerrp:

what is your source?

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wagnerrp:

what are you trying to record from

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muns:

using the digital side which is set to us-cable

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iamlindoro:

Jay2k1: Theoretically yes, but I haven't used that script in several years and YMMV (and I definitely don't want to get into the habit of supporting it)

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muns:

chosen the dvb source as instructed

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j-rod:

uh. you don't get static/fuzz if you're talking to the digital part of the card.

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wagnerrp:

you wont get analog 'fuzz' with the digital side

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wagnerrp:

youll just get nothing

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muns:

faulty setup or faulty card?

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wagnerrp:

setup most likely

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muns:

everything detects fine in dmesg and lspci

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muns:

i've tried the analog side of the card and still same thing

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wagnerrp:

/dev/video0 as an mpeg encoder is the analog side, /dev/dvb/adapter0 as a dvb dtv capture card is the digital side

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muns:

do i need to have splitter to both sides of the card for it to work

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wagnerrp:

yes, they have separate inputs, you need to plug both in for them both to work

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muns:

k i've tried just single setup on both sides of card and still nada

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wagnerrp:

you are trying to record cable?

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muns:

ya

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wagnerrp:

do you actually still receive analog?

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muns:

this is the same cable that i had the tv plugged into and tv works fine

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wagnerrp:

several locations have completely shut down analog service

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muns:

not sure i think they upgraded to digital

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muns:

thats why working on digital side

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muns:

this is what i'm working on w/o the kernel upgrade since cx18 was previously fixed in new kernel or somethin... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600#Drivers

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wagnerrp:

to do digital cable, you need to have the cable plugged into the digital side, add /dev/dvb/adapter0 as a DVB tuner, and scan the tuner for a channel lineup

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wagnerrp:

you will NOT get analog 'fuzz' on a digital tuner

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wagnerrp:

unless that is actually what your cableco is broadcasting

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muns:

kk had some other /dev/dvb/???/adapater0

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muns:

ya /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

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muns:

i did the fetch listings from source which is from SD

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wagnerrp:

when you select 'dvb' from the dropdown, mythtv-setup should autodetect that card

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wagnerrp:

you cannot fetch listings for a digital source, you must scan

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muns:

kk if i do the qam-256 would it also fetch from 128 and 64

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muns:

cuz i think they are 128 but not entirely sure

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wagnerrp:

s/fetch/scan/

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wagnerrp:

and nearly everyone is using qam256

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wagnerrp:

64/128 are fairly rare

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muns:

kk when i scanned no signal or noise meter and does lock on some channels but had same problem

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muns:

do i uncheck the "only free" box before the scan?

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wagnerrp:

no

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muns:

k

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muns:

what about the quick tuning is default never or choose Live-TV

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wagnerrp:

you may want to read http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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wagnerrp:

just leave that default unless you have reason otherwise

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muns:

k and quick scan of that page, do i really have to have a cable converter box for this to work?

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wagnerrp:

maybe

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muns:

2–97 shows up fine when cable is directly plugged into tv so didn't think needed one

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wagnerrp:

theres a link to silicondust on that page, you can get a lineup what what is available in your area unencrypted from them

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wagnerrp:

2–97 will be your analog cable, you need to set up the analog side to use that

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wagnerrp:

choose an ivtv mpeg encoder card, and mythtv will autodetect /dev/video0

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wagnerrp:

then pull a lineup from SD, and you should be done

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muns:

scanning analog doesn't work...scans so quick and then next msg failed to find channels or soethin

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wagnerrp:

analog scanning does not work in 0.22, and is unnecessary anyway

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wagnerrp:

grab a lineup from SD

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muns:

ya got it

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muns:

have the lineup already set on the website for my company for the 2–97

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justinh:

grrr. people coming to me with jobs at 3.20on a friday afternoon

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Your own fault, should have snuck out 20 minutes ago

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iamlindoro:

;)

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muns:

scanning digital now says QAM-256 Channel 69Locked and then shows program #'s, Encrypted

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muns:

or says on info QAM-256 Channel 69 — Timed out, 12 possible channels

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iamlindoro:

My favorite move is (as the holder of the only key to the utility closet off of the mens room with an exterior door, to take a Friday afternoon bathroom trip, and then escape like a ninja through the utility closet

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wagnerrp:

a bathroom ninja

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muns:

so get the lineup from the SD and and don't do the "scan" on analog? cuz scannig doesn't seem to want to lock on anything

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iamlindoro:

Whatever it takes to get home and hang out with the dog before the sun goes down

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wagnerrp:

are you trying to scan analog or digital?

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muns:

i have chosen the ivtv part of the card

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wagnerrp:

you seem to be able to flip between the two awfully quick

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muns:

well right now its finishing up the digital

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wagnerrp:

are you us or canada?

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muns:

cable is on the digital side right now its locking on a bunch of channels but nothing new to me always does this but still fuzz

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muns:

us

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wagnerrp:

then you should get at least the local broadcasts in the clear

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Brad-D:

okay i have decided that mythtv is EVIL

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wagnerrp:

go to the site listed on that page i gave you

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Brad-D:

i am now hooked on it like crack cocaine.

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Brad-D:

hahaha

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wagnerrp:

it will detail what you should expect to pick up in a scan

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muns:

kk i'll read that real quick

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muns:

while its scanning

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muns:

if this doesn't work i'll retry the analog side again

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wagnerrp:

bleh... trying to write c++ and i keep reverting to python syntax

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wagnerrp:

its got me, squeezing tighter... and tighter...

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Brad-D:

is it possible to get movies that i record, automatically in the movies recording group? instead of selecting it every time?

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wagnerrp:

no, there is no auto-filtering available in recordings

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wagnerrp:

can you do &= in c++ for bools?

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Jay2k1:

iamlindoro: ok, I'll give it a try and let you know about the results

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stuartm:

is the music miniplayer jumppoint not working for anyone with trunk? (or is it just me)?

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iamlindoro:

Jay2k1: Don't go rushing to tell me, it won't matter to me either way :)

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iamlindoro:

I should really take it off my user page

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Jay2k1:

no you shouldn't

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Jay2k1:

i've searched a few days and this was the only useful thing i found

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wagnerrp:

to put it in with the general scripts? or remove it from existence?

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Jay2k1:

i am so glad it exists

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Jay2k1:

i just wanted to let you know the results so you could perhaps add a little note at the start as a hint, if someone else has the same question

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Jay2k1:

tbh this is the only solution i found for applying the cutlist without having to transcode

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iamlindoro:

stuartm: paul mentioned that you would need to enter mythmusic once for now before it would work

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iamlindoro:

(in his commit yesterday)

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Jay2k1:

perhaps moving it to general scripts would be useful, more people might be able to find it then

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iamlindoro:

when he worked around the segfault I reported

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Jay2k1:

also, when it becomes more popular, perhaps more people test it and/or even improve it

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: yeah, not working even when I have entered mythmusic, the jumppoint seems broken

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stuartm:

and it crashes when the miniplayer is displayed at track changes

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iamlindoro:

Hacky scripts like mine just deter people from fixing the problem properly

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Jay2k1:

:/

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iamlindoro:

which is to add proper support for H.264 lossless to mythtranscode

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Jay2k1:

for end users like me it's the only way

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iamlindoro:

stuartm: OK, hadn't tested since he committed the fix

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Jay2k1:

of course I'd prefer native h.264 support in mythtranscode but someone has to make it

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: assuming it worked before he committed the fix, I'll start with that changeset

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** J-e-f-f-A cheers as his 2nd HD-PVR shows up today... ;-) Maybe I'll have time to play with them on the weekend... **

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iamlindoro:

anyhoo, feel free to use it, just gently asking that you not involve me as providing any support for that script is about the last thing I want to put my time towards ATM

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Jay2k1:

no worries

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J-e-f-f-A:

I won't have my HD service installed for another couple of weeks... any sense in setting up the HD-PVRs with SD input via S-Video using my existing SD receivers?

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Jay2k1:

i'm glad i have something to fiddle with with a chance of success

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: ^ what do you think?

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: Probably not a lot to be gained besides slightly higher electrical bills

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muns:

wagnerrp, ok after doing the digital side scan i exited out and refilled the db and went into the frontend and clicked watched tv...said Please wait.... but then just kicked me back to main menu

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: hehehe... ;-) Thanks.

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iamlindoro:

np

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: come to think of it, I should upgrade my system while I'm at it... I'm on FC8 and 0.22-fixes. ;-)

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muns:

anyone have issues with scanning in analog side of a hvr-1600?

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wagnerrp:

you dont want to scan analog, and if youre using 0.22, you cant do so anyway

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muns:

oh ya

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wagnerrp:

analog scanning does not work in 0.22 at all

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muns:

ok so i did the schedules direct fetch chans by listing and then started the frontend and still fuzz

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muns:

any other possibilities

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wagnerrp:

you have the cable plugged into the proper input

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muns:

yup the tv/cable side analog

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muns:

not the atsc/qam/digital side

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muns:

retryed the analog side to see if can get working but nada still and digital nada

[15:23:06]

muns:

i choose us-cable or do i choose broadcast in the general section of backend

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muns:

broadcast is OTA right

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wagnerrp:

yes

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muns:

maybe i should try the broadcast with terrestrial 8vsb since siliconedust shows lots with 8vsb

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muns:

well not lots but maybe i should see if i can even see pics cuz this fuzz is getting anoying after so many diff options and 8 reinstalls and nada seems to work

[15:26:20]

muns:

so first off i installed, updated the cards firmware, rebooted, then updated system then started on backend setup and goto frontend and fuzz

[15:28:23]

muns:

i'm not sure if i should choose an older version of mythbuntu to "test" out cuz read on lots of people have this hvr-1600 card working

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muns:

but none of them on the forum say they have 10.04, shows they all have 9.04 or 9.10

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** iamlindoro would like to see a screenshot of this fuzz **

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iamlindoro:

especially in digital

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muns:

same fuzz as this i'm seeing now in vlc

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muns:

lemme make screeny

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sphery:

Wondering how it is that *buntu users are seeing MythTV using the configuration directory "/". Is *buntu doing something broken like setting HOME to "/"? We're currently checking for undefined, but I suppose we now have to check for empty or "/"

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stuartm:

yay for ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

sphery: theres been multiple? i just saw the one on the list

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I've seen at least a dozen

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iamlindoro:

a couple in here, many many on the ubuntu forums

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wagnerrp:

ah, i dont frequent their forums

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I've seen about 3 in here, at least one in the list (but I was thinking 2)

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iamlindoro:

I pop in pre and post release times

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iamlindoro:

also try to track their bug trackers around release

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iamlindoro:

but it quickly becomes an exercise in frustration, they have some very heartless users

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muns:

um what screen capture program should i install?

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sphery:

muns: bind a key to the ScreenShot jump point in MythTV to get the MythTV one.

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sphery:

Utilties/Setup|Edit Keys

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muns:

k

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sphery:

muns: the screenshot it makes will be written to /tmp

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muns:

k

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muns:

k where u want me to send the pics to

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** J-e-f-f-A drools as UPS just dropped off his 2nd HD-PVR. ;-) **

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muns:

iamlindoro, http://rapidshare.com/files/387286760/myth-sc . . . 212.png.html

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muns:

that fuzz is basically on both sides of card, like wagner said it might be user setup failure lol

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muns:

but i've tried every combination

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sphery:

that looks like an analog recording of a bad signal

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muns:

so u think its a signal issue?

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muns:

i mean this is viewed on digital side as well

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muns:

which i know digital..either its there or its not

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muns:

but even crappy digital is all blocky but this is constant

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muns:

guess i can call my buddy the cable guy and see if he can come over and test the signal

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sphery:

well, the fact that your OSD is smaller than the screen size and that the garbage continues outside seems to indicate it's just drawing garbage

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muns:

looks just fine when have this cable plugged into tv

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J-e-f-f-A:

muns: Umm... is that the Myth OSD that's blurry too?

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sphery:

or you have a bad connection to the TV

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sphery:

or video card/driver issues

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muns:

needed to refresh the vga input on tv

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** J-e-f-f-A is confused. **

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muns:

does that 95% of time but if i scroll thru the tv settings back to vga then fixes

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cipher42:

hey guys, i'm trying to reisze my mythtv window, it's perfect until i actually watch tv, then it goes fullsize on me

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cipher42:

any ideas?

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muns:

or after leaving frontend or backend i always have to goto applications>settings>display and it refreshes

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: I'll bet you have the checkbox un-selected to use the same size for gui as tv playback in the setup...

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sphery:

cipher42: set the setting to use gui size for playback

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J-e-f-f-A:

^ yeah.

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: only you got the proper name. ;-)

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muns:

sooo this cable connected to the tv is fine works well with cable but same cable to card i get fuzz

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sphery:

well, I'm not sure mine is the correct name, either

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sphery:

it's missing TV before playback :)

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cipher42:

thanks guyz!

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sphery:

cipher42: oh, and really, it's re-set that setting--since it defaults to true, you've changed it :)

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muns:

this is a brand new card should i request to get a new one?

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cipher42:

yea i thought it ment something else

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J-e-f-f-A:

muns: might be a ground loop. If you have a multimeter, disconnect the cable, and measure for voltage between the cable outer shield and your computer's case.

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cipher42:

i thought it was refering to my gnome gui for some reason

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muns:

no meter here ;(

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sphery:

cipher42: "Use GUI size for TV playback: If enabled, use the above size for TV, otherwise use full screen." ... That help text at the bottom is quite useful. :)

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muns:

i have 3way outside and 2 way right here before card which goes to modem and tv

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muns:

or to this pci card

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cipher42:

now i get a bunch of black on the sides...

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J-e-f-f-A:

muns: Another question – is that 'fuzz' only on one channel, or all of them?

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muns:

all

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J-e-f-f-A:

muns: Do you get a picture, or is it always black?

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muns:

cipher42, what i do is change settings on tv to tv then back to vga or whatever u using

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muns:

it refreshes at least thats the fix for me lol

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muns:

jeffa, its always like that picture on every chan

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cipher42:

when i set it to 4:3 it's perfect, but it's a 16:10 window

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sphery:

muns: the black borders are because your video is shaped differently from your TV

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muns:

oh

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sphery:

(and, if the movie starts with, "This program has been modified...to fit your screen," they're lying to you.

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: What's your source, HD or SD?

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cipher42:

hd

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muns:

i did somethin to get a complete black screen no fuzz whatsoever i can't remember on an install i think maybe upgraded to the auto-builds 0.23 or somethin

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sphery:

you should use the 0.23 auto-builds on all your systems

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: is the source HD, or are they broadcasting a 'pillarboxed' 4:3 signal, and then a 16:9 'letterboxed' within that?

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muns:

kk lemme update then

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cipher42:

no

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cipher42:

seems to be working great in 4:3 which is weird

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cipher42:

oh well

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: Ok. ;-) Are you running multiple monitors, with one 4:3 montor and another 16:10 perhaps?

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muns:

kk brb gonna update and reboot

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iamlindoro:

cipher42: Sounds like you set the aspect ration override while you were messing with the plyback size

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iamlindoro:

er ratio

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** iamlindoro strongly suggests understanding the toggles before you go flipping them ;) **

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iamlindoro:

Or at least keeping a log of which you mess with so that it doesn't "take a village" to fix it for you ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: You mean "I wonder what this button does?" isn't a good idea if you work in a nuclear power plant?

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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j-rod:

I rather liked the two big red buttons in Monsters vs. Aliens

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stuartm:

j-rod: I've not seen it, but this scene? – http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0892782/quotes?qt0530136

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j-rod:

stuartm: heh, yep, that's the one (the president being voice by colbert, making it even better...)

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dustintheweb:

yo, can anyone suggest a good remote? $100 & below?

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iamlindoro:

Yo, imma let you finish, but the Microsoft MCE remote is the best remote EVER... BEST REMOTE EVER

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dustintheweb:

better than a slick logitech ?

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stuartm:

EVER

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dustintheweb:

any downsides?

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stuartm:

for price/features/use with MythTV

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dustintheweb:

I see a few models on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote – any thoughts on which is the preferred?

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stuartm:

it's impossible to fault IMHO

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stuartm:

N.B. if you want a universal remote to control multiple devices then it's not what you want and you are better off looking at the Logitech range

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j-rod:

bah. that page still says version 1 transmit isn't supported

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j-rod:

hey, I remembered my wiki login

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dustintheweb:

ah, so the MCE's don't handle multiple devices well then?

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j-rod:

time to fix that page

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j-rod:

huh?

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j-rod:

I can hook up several mce transceivers at once, and they all work just fine together when properly configured, so I'm not sure what you're talking about

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dustintheweb:

stuartm said I'm better off looking at a logitech for multiple devices

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j-rod:

if you want to control multiple devices, i.e. a myth box, an amp, a tv.

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stuartm:

j-rod, dustintheweb: I mean the remote part, it's not a multi-device remote, it's purely for controlling a single device (the MythTV box), the blaster/transmitter side can deal with at least two STBs

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j-rod:

right, sorry, yeah, the mce remotes aren't universal remotes

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** j-rod didn't see stuartm's comment 'til after the fact **

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dustintheweb:

as far as universal remotes go, anything as good or better than logitech for myth?

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j-rod:

"Fedora: you need to have ATrpms installed". Sad. That hasn't been true for several YEARS now...

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j-rod:

there. now that page is slightly less full of bonghits.

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pak0:

what should be the command for wakeup computer?

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Wake-on-LAN

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pak0:

i`m testing the wakeup for recordings, and only have s3 mode on my mb, tested with manually alarm and works, but now, setting under mythtv and mythwelcome, but cant complete the auto wakeup

[17:18:05]

pak0:

i`m reading that, but stills a little confusing

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pak0:

arfff

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pak0:

i need to install acpi support

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pak0:

dont have it, but its confused because i can program one alarm and works, and wakeup

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pak0:

can i follow that guide for 10.04? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1176528

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Nidhoegger:

kann ich bei nem initscript schreiben after *? ich will das es als allerletztes startet

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stuartm:

Nidhoegger: #mythtv-de

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Nidhoegger:

stuartm, sorry, i just wrote in the wrong channel :D

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sphery:

no apologies necessary... he was just trying to help in case you were lost :)

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Jay2k1:

hmm, watching hd livetv is still stuttering every 3–4 seconds, although i went into the playback profiles and increased the cpu cores from 1 to 2 on all four "subprofiles"

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Jay2k1:

and it's "only" 720p

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sphery:

(assuming that no apologies are necessary, but since I don't speak or read German, it's possible I'm wrong ;)

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Jay2k1:

so, time to buy a geforce i guess

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sphery:

Jay2k1: most content can't use multiple cores for decoding

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Jay2k1:

yes, i was told about that

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Jay2k1:

still, hope dies last ;/

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sphery:

Jay2k1: I recommend changing your Playback Profile group to Slim

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sphery:

that's the MythTV 0.21-style decoding and display

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Jay2k1:

i started with 0.22

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sphery:

well, basically saying that anything other than Slim tries to do all sorts of fancy things that take CPU

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sphery:

and Slim is not bad--because it's what we used to /always/ do

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Jay2k1:

ok, i'll try that

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Jay2k1:

otherwise, an 8400GS costs just about 25 EUR, i could afford that

[17:46:39]

Jay2k1:

i just want to avoid more heat/energy

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Jay2k1:

right now, cpu+ is set

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Nidhoegger:

sphery, no apologies were neccessary ;) i just asked about init scripts

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sphery:

yeah, VDPAU isn't a bad idea, but I totally understand on not adding new hardware/heat/energy usage

[17:48:03]

sphery:

Nidhoegger: heh, yeah, I figured

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sphery:

but cool to know it was init scripts stuff :)

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Nidhoegger:

i asked about if i can write "after *" to make it start as very last script

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sphery:

Jay2k1: CPU<anything> are the worst choices for Playback Profile group, so changing to Slim will actually make things better

[17:48:46]

wagnerrp:

Jay2k1: if you want to avoid more heat, just use a lower power processor, and standby

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Nidhoegger:

its about Open RC init scripts btw ;) if its interessting to you

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Jay2k1:

standby?

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sphery:

Jay2k1: (and I realize that you didn't choose CPU+, but got it because that's what initial setup gave you)

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Jay2k1:

it's an on demand machine

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Jay2k1:

right sphery

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Jay2k1:

it's a 5000+ w/ 2.6 ghz

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Jay2k1:

thinking about replacing it with a 5050e

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Jay2k1:

same speed but 45W TDP

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sphery:

wow, OpenRC. hadn't heard of that. Wonder how they're not getting grief from Sega for their logo

[17:51:52]

Nidhoegger:

openrc is what gentoo uses

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sphery:

Jay2k1: can you get a 5050e? They stopped making them, so they're pretty much impossible to find in the US.

[17:52:25]

Jay2k1:

yup

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Jay2k1:

<- german

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sphery:

They replaced the 5050e with the Athlon II X2 (Regor) 240e, but last I checked, they were only selling those to OEMs (Sony and HP, particularly)

[17:52:43]

sphery:

lucky

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Jay2k1:

yup :)

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Jay2k1:

50 eur though

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sphery:

I had to go with a 65W Athlon II X2 240 (rather than the 45W 240e)

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Jay2k1:

if you'd desperately want one, i could arrange that

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** J-e-f-f-A is running a Athlon 64 X2 6000+ --- 95W ... /me ducks **

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sphery:

The Sempron 140 is still the only 45W CPU on newegg...

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: I only started paying attention to CPU TDP when my power company started raising rates a lot

[17:54:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

Semperon ~= Celeron = Yuck. ;-)

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Jay2k1:

hmm, changed to "schonend" which means as much as gentle, i guess that's the equivalent to slim, but still no luck

[17:56:27]

Jay2k1:

in the "decoder" field it says standard, and the help text says "decoder that should be used for MPEG2 – default is ffmpeg

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Jay2k1:

but the HD stuff is H.264

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: What's your video card? — although a 5000+ cpu should be able to keep up I would think... You don't have 'frequency scaling' turned on, do you?

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: I won't mention that I'm still running the frontend I got before the electric rates went up, or that it's a 125W CPU, or that I run BOINC/SETI@home, so it's never freq-scaled.

[17:57:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: hehehehe... ;-)

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Jay2k1:

J-e-f-f-A frequency scaling is turned on, yes. my gpu is onboard geforce 6150 i think

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sphery:

Jay2k1: is this H.264? If so, that's probably not going to work on a 5000+ without some serious cuts

[17:58:21]

Jay2k1:

yes, h.264

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: You running the Nvidia Binary driver?

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Jay2k1:

the four or five HD channels I receive are all 720p in h.264

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Jay2k1:

yes

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sphery:

You may be able to make it work with 720p, but it will require cutting out a lot of stuff.

[17:59:12]

Jay2k1:

cutting out as in...?

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sphery:

also, take a look at the skip deblocking loop filter (or whatever it's called now)

[17:59:34]

sphery:

it will either cut out some work that the CPU is doing and make things better

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Jay2k1:

also, i should note that recording or watching this HD content works fine, just live tv stutters

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sphery:

or it will make video playback unwatchable (because it won't be properly decoded)

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Jay2k1:

i guess that's because it is watching AND recording at the same time

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sphery:

shouldn't be much difference

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: Do you have seperate disks (spindles) for your OS/Database and your recordings?

[18:00:34]

Jay2k1:

nope

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J-e-f-f-A:

That might be a contributing factor...

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Jay2k1:

i have a 16GB SSD which i could use for the OS though

[18:01:06]

Jay2k1:

well, when watching livetv, the FE has 101–109% CPU in top

[18:01:12]

Jay2k1:

and Xorg like 11%

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J-e-f-f-A:

that would help – but you'd want the DB on a seperate spindle too, not sure if the SSD would be best for that.

[18:01:32]

Jay2k1:

i'm not sure what would be better than an SSD

[18:01:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

It would definitely be fast, but I'm not sure about the 'wear'...

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Jay2k1:

it's an MTRON with SLC chips

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Jay2k1:

so it shouldn't be much of a problem

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: Is your monitor running at 720p?

[18:04:16]

Jay2k1:

uhm, good question

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Jay2k1:

it's a CRT

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Jay2k1:

i think i'm running 1024x768

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: Ah, so not only does it have to decode the 720p, it's got to scale it.

[18:06:35]

Jay2k1:

also, the stuttering does not occur all the time, just when there are lots of colors in the picture

[18:06:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: In the 0.20 days I was running 720p MPEG2 on a CRT using XVMC – and found that if I had the monitor resolution *higher* than the source video resolution, that it didn't have to work as hard to scale *up* as it did to scale *down*.

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Jay2k1:

okay... i'll see if i can change the resolution

[18:07:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: is it a TV?

[18:07:09]

Jay2k1:

yup

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J-e-f-f-A:

You probably can't go any higher...

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Jay2k1:

that's what i think

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J-e-f-f-A:

S-video or Scart connection, right?

[18:07:34]

Jay2k1:

i was surprised i could use 1024x768 rather than 800x600

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Jay2k1:

s-video, yes... composite was too bad quality

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Jay2k1:

and it doesn't have YUV input, although my mainboard has s-video, composite and component out

[18:08:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, so basically it's getting scaled down by the tv converter chip on the video card – your effective resolution is something like 640x576 (assuming PAL)

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Jay2k1:

yes, pal

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Jay2k1:

PAL, pal.. heh

[18:09:13]

Jay2k1:

on a totally different note

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Jay2k1:

there's not really a need to watch HD material on a CRT TV

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: I think VDPAU is probably the best approach for you – you'll see the cpu busy go WAY down, and the card will do virtually everything for you in hardware.

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Jay2k1:

i think so too... perhaps i'll just live with not being able to watch HD in live tv, if there's something terribly important on these channels (3 of which are just HD copies of regular channels)

[18:10:52]

Jay2k1:

i could just record it and watch later, as that seems to work flawlessly

[18:10:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: I have a 37" CRT *Monitor* – it's a Mitsubishi MegaView 37 – has VGA/BNC/S-video and Composite inputs, and scans to 1024x768 (although it's quite blurry at anything above 800x600) – HD looks pretty good on that. ;-)

[18:11:32]

Jay2k1:

and by the time i buy a flatscreen, i could still buy a graphics card... also, i wouldn't have to focus on a tv-out so much then

[18:11:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: Actually – If you moved your OS and DB to a seperate disk, your issue may disappear... It could very well be disk access contention.

[18:12:42]

Jay2k1:

J-e-f-f-A: Well, as I just mentioned, the channels are copies, for example i have ARD and ARD HD which is the same, apart from the resution they broadcast, so i can directly see the difference – or rather, i can't because it's just not visible on this CRT TV

[18:13:07]

Jay2k1:

the disk is not that busy, top reports about 3% wait

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Jay2k1:

and between 90 and 109% cpu – when it's under 100, it works fine, as soon as it rises above 100%, stuttering kicks in

[18:14:13]

Jay2k1:

well, it was worth a try :) thank you guys

[18:15:01]

Jay2k1:

also, I won't have to deal with cutting h.264 hd stuff then

[18:15:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: Yeah, h.264 can be very demanding – and from what I understand, the stuff you're getting is really high quality, so it takes alot to decode.

[18:15:58]

Jay2k1:

perhaps by the time i buy a flatscreen and a gpu to use vdpau, a mythtv version with built-in h.264 support in mythtranscode will be out :D

[18:16:15]

Jay2k1:

it is quite good quality, although 720p only

[18:16:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

myth has built-in h.264 decode... it's just not fast enough (currently) to keep up with your files, with your specific cpu. ;-)

[18:17:17]

Jay2k1:

i recorded a show and watched it on my laptop, 1280x800 – i've never watched a video on a computer before that was this crisp and sharp

[18:17:35]

Jay2k1:

J-e-f-f-A i'm talking about lossless transcode honoring the cutlist

[18:17:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: yeah, HD is quite stunning, eh?

[18:17:53]

Jay2k1:

oh yes...

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Jay2k1:

i guess with vdpau i could as well use a s754 sempron 2800+ machine

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Jay2k1:

hahaha

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: Yeah... or even an Atom! ;-)

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Jay2k1:

tbh i just took some old computer parts that i had lying around here because i had no idea how to start and just wanted to find out if a htpc would be something i'd like

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Jay2k1:

this led to buying a nice htpc case by lian li, buying three TV cards of which the second most expensive was of no use due to disabled analog scanning

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: yeah, i did the same years ago... started with my old Athlon 1800+, some SCSI drives, and a couple of Hauppauge PVR cards.

[18:22:53]

Jay2k1:

and now i'm recording so much stuff, finally watching tv in 5.1, enjoying timeshifting and skipping of commercials

[18:23:02]

Jay2k1:

it has been such a good decision

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Jay2k1:

scsi drives, ewww

[18:23:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: and look where I am now... Just bought two HD-PVRs and will have two HD-HomeRuns (dual-tuner HD tuners) ...

[18:23:43]

Jay2k1:

i didn't know much about what hw i'd need, but what i knew for sure is that i'd want one single hdd only, a big and silent one

[18:23:50]

Jay2k1:

heh

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Jay2k1:

i'll go with one DVB-C and one DVB-T cards

[18:24:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: Ah, but those drives were FAST!!! ;-) 15K rpm... 50GB... zoom!

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Jay2k1:

that makes two simultaneous multiplexes, so up to 8 chans, that'll do for me :)

[18:24:29]

Jay2k1:

god lol

[18:24:42]

Jay2k1:

well, BE only perhaps

[18:24:50]

Jay2k1:

i have a combined FE/BE underneath the TV

[18:25:05]

Jay2k1:

my better half would kill me if i had noisy drives in there

[18:25:18]

Jay2k1:

and even before that i'd probably kill myself ^^

[18:25:33]

Jay2k1:

i'm a big friend of silent computers anyway

[18:25:41]

Jay2k1:

my main computer is water cooled

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: My BE is big and loud. It's got 8 HDD's, 4 120MM fans, 2 90mm fans, a 600W supply and an Athlon x2 6000+ cpu.

[18:26:00]

Jay2k1:

lol

[18:26:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

My frontends are smaller and quieter – but I haven't made the shift to 'diskless' or 'fanless' as of yet... Such as a tiny Atom system. ;-)

[18:26:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

... and my backend is in the basement and runs 24x7

[18:26:59]

stuartm:

loud and power hungry by the sound of it

[18:27:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

frontends are only turned on as neede.

[18:27:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

stuartm: Yeah, probably. ;-)

[18:27:36]

Jay2k1:

my htpc draws 130W peak

[18:27:45]

Jay2k1:

and i can't hear it from 2m distance

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J-e-f-f-A:

stuartm: I bought a Kill-O-Watt a year or so ago, but haven't had the 'guts' to put it on my backend yet...

[18:28:03]

wagnerrp:

Jay2k1: there is exactly no reason why a water cooled system would be quieter than an air cooled one

[18:28:16]

Dibblah:

Mine draws 30w peak.

[18:28:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

My bedroom frontend draws about 45W watching SD, or about 70W watching 720P mpeg2 (via cpu, no vdpau currently)

[18:28:54]

stuartm:

I'd be disappointed if mine drew as much as 130W, though I've yet to buy a meter to test them, I've kept power usage in mind in the choice of hardware

[18:29:23]

Jay2k1:

wagnerrp, i should add it's a pc for gaming and thus has a powerful gpu

[18:29:54]

wagnerrp:

Jay2k1: there is still no reason why a water cooled system would be quieter than an air cooled system

[18:30:07]

Jay2k1:

um, yes there is

[18:30:15]

stuartm:

particularly the production fe/be, 80+ 350W PSU, 45W TDP CPU, 5400rpm 'Green' drives

[18:30:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: yes/no – the water takes a majority of the heat, and a larger, remote fan, which is quieter, is used to cool the water, no?

[18:30:34]

wagnerrp:

the ONLY thing water cooling gets you is you can move the heat to somewhere else, where you have room for a larger heatsink

[18:30:35]

Jay2k1:

this way i can dissipate the heat of the system with six low-spinning 120mm fans, how could i accomplish that with air cooling

[18:30:55]

wagnerrp:

Jay2k1: simply use giant heatsinks inside the case

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stuartm:

heatpipes? (/me knows little about modern case cooling techniques)

[18:31:31]

wagnerrp:

look at high end server systems and tesla/fermi cards

[18:31:52]

Jay2k1:

as if these were silent ;)

[18:32:00]

wagnerrp:

those cases are set up with ducted air channels, and the whole thing filled with heatsink

[18:32:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: 6 120mm fans? wow. My machine is loud with 4 or 5 120mm temp-controlled fans, which are spinning at low speed most of the time.

[18:32:19]

wagnerrp:

sure, theyre not silent, but then consider they pump >1kW through a little 1U case

[18:32:39]

Jay2k1:

also, even if there'd be some giant cooler for the gpu (hd3870 X2), you'd still have the hot air inside the case, making it harder to silently cool cpu and other components

[18:32:42]

wagnerrp:

bring those same design methodologies towards a normal PC, and think of what you could do

[18:32:57]

wagnerrp:

water cooling is just an easy cop-out

[18:33:01]

Jay2k1:

i have a few of these 1U servers at work

[18:33:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

Hehehe.. we have a 1U AIX box here that is louder than a Jet taking off when you first turn it on...

[18:33:10]

Jay2k1:

you could use them as hairdryers

[18:33:23]

Jay2k1:

and yes, like a jet, uses two radial fans

[18:34:18]

Jay2k1:

before my water cooling time, i also tried to copy the thermal zone model of the mac pro (powermac g5 by then)

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Jay2k1:

dividing the inside of the case in three compartments, each filled with air by a 120mm fan

[18:35:12]

Jay2k1:

anyway, i've never had a setup where i could let the 120mm fans run as slow as now

[18:35:30]

Jay2k1:

i can even see the wings spinning

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wagnerrp:

for instance, you could duct off the expansion slots, replace the GPU sinks with fanless triple height ones, and stick a big slow 120x120x70 up front

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Jay2k1:

J-e-f-f-A: it's six noctuas

[18:37:27]

Jay2k1:

http://www.overclockers.co.nz/product/fans/NF-P12-B.jpg

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Jay2k1:

they are silent really

[18:38:03]

Jay2k1:

i needed the slots ;)

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Jay2k1:

J-e-f-f--: six of these noctuas: http://www.overclockers.co.nz/product/fans/NF-P12-B.jpg

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wagnerrp:

theyre really trying hard with those

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wagnerrp:

using all the tricks

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wagnerrp:

textured suction surface, non-parallel spokes, trailing edge chevrons

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wagnerrp:

Jay2k1: anyway, my complaint with watercooling is that its only effective if you use it to move the heat away from the case, or at least into a special ducted channel

[18:44:20]

wagnerrp:

nearly every water cooling setup ive ever seen merely puts the heatsinks on the exhaust of the case, such that theyre still limited by the airflow they have in the case, and they may as well just use it directly

[18:44:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: Sorry... something happened with my router apparently, and I lost my NX session and had to wait for it to re-establish a new link...

[18:44:57]

wagnerrp:

if youve got 6 120mm, you have to have that in a separate unit

[18:45:27]

wagnerrp:

oh, i especially love when i see people put the radiator at an inlet

[18:47:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Hehehe... My case has 3 120MM fans – 1 blowing IN from the front, 1 blowing OUT by the CPU, 1 blowing in/down on the cards, plus the power supply has a 120MM fan, and blows OUT (it's at the bottom of the case), and the 2 5-way HDD bays each have 90MM fans pulling cool air over the drives.

[18:48:07]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: i figured he meant 6 blowing directly on the main radiator

[18:48:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: The temps inside the case are pretty good, but it definitely warms up the room.

[18:48:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: yeah, probably in a push/pull config? 3 in front/3 behind?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: heck, I've got enough room *inside* my case to put a full water-cooling system... ;-)

[18:50:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1255915 ;-)

[18:52:25]

Jay2k1:

wagnerrp: exactly, that's what i'm doing

[18:52:51]

wagnerrp:

Jay2k1: most people dont, which is why water cooling bothers me

[18:53:32]

wagnerrp:

the water isnt actually cooling anything, its just a heat transfer mechanism

[18:53:41]

wagnerrp:

so if youre just going to use the same tiny radiator, why bother

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Jay2k1:

also, i'm using shrouds to eliminate hotspots of the fans

[18:54:11]

Jay2k1:

true

[18:54:14]

Jay2k1:

very true

[18:54:59]

Jay2k1:

http://pub.jay2k1.com/wakue/2010.01/radis.jpg

[18:55:30]

Jay2k1:

also, mounted in a way so the warm air can rise up

[18:55:51]

Jay2k1:

the fans are just supporting that natural airflow

[18:56:11]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: that looks like youre just asking for sliced up fingers

[18:56:19]

dherde:

Has anyone seen a good tutorial on installing myth with nvidia 190 or 195 +vdpau drivers? I had it running once, but Ubuntu did an automatic upgrade and everything got hosed. I am starting over.

[18:56:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Why? ;-)

[18:56:39]

wagnerrp:

Jay2k1: that would do it

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: those edges just look very sharp

[18:57:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Nah, they're all rolled over.

[18:57:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: There's not a sharp edge on the thing...

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Jay2k1:

also, the fans are sucking air through the radi instead of blowing air onto it

[18:59:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Oh, wait, the bottom of the 5–1/4" bay box isn't rolled.... (just the bottom 1/3 of it. ;-)

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Jay2k1:

wagnerrp, lian li cases are very high quality, never had a sharp edge in them

[19:00:13]

wagnerrp:

i was going to say it looked like a lian li knock off

[19:00:28]

wagnerrp:

never heard of rocketfish

[19:00:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

I only paid $47 for it... when Best Buy decided they weren't going to sell them anymore. ^^ yeah, rumors are that it was actually manufactured by Lian

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Jay2k1:

url2title <hardforum.com> Rocketfish BLK Aluminum Full-Tower Case (Rebranded Lian Li) @ Best Buy ~ $150 Shipped – [H]ard|Forum

[19:01:43]

Jay2k1:

title says its rebranded

[19:02:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

I've got two 5-bay hot-swap units in the 6 5–1/4" bays... ;-)

[19:03:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/HDDs.jpg – oh, and I flipped the door over to open from the left...

[19:04:05]

Jay2k1:

look nice

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wagnerrp:

those sure look familiar

[19:04:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Do you have the same ones? ;-)

[19:04:33]

wagnerrp:

ive got four of the 3-in-2 versions of that hotswap bay

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: The only thing I don't like about them is that the 'lock' mechanism doesn't work that well, on 1/2 of them, the handle doesn't really 'lock'...

[19:05:45]

wagnerrp:

the caddy itself is the same, but since they had some extra room left on the cage, they put manual power buttons on each

[19:05:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

(flimsy plastic)

[19:05:58]

wagnerrp:

lock seems to work well enough on mine

[19:06:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

These have power buttons, but you have to press them with a pointed object.

[19:06:23]

dustintheweb:

J-e-f-f-A, is the system in that pic back end only ?

[19:06:29]

wagnerrp:

these are big pushbuttons that double as activity

[19:07:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

dustintheweb: Mostly – I am using it for NX now and general stuff – and occasionally run the frontend on it too. ;-)

[19:07:27]

dustintheweb:

what capture card are you using?

[19:08:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: yeah, one of the complaints I have with these bays are that the 'power' and 'activity' leds are not lined up with the physical drives, and they use a bright green LED for power, and either a 'dim' red LED for activity, or the light pipe is off-center enough that it doesn't show well on half the drives.

[19:09:13]

Brad-D:

is there a way i can reorder recorded episodes in the "watch recordings" screen, so that they come in proper watch order, instead of the order i recorded them?

[19:09:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

dustintheweb: Currently Hauppauge PVR-500, PVR-250 and PVR-150 and a single HD-HR for OTA HD. ... but in two weeks – two HD-PVRs, and TWO HD-HR's... ;-)

[19:09:47]

dustintheweb:

4 cards in one machine?

[19:09:57]

Brad-D:

jeffa: wow, nice!

[19:10:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

dustintheweb: The PVRs are fed with Dish Network SD receivers (S-Video/Analog Audio) and an IPTV box.

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustintheweb, well 3. My MB has 3 PCI slots, the HD-HR is a network tuner.

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[R]:

Brad-D: the forntend settings has the otion to change the sort order

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J-e-f-f-A:

Brad-D: Thanks- and I don't think there's a way – ^^ ooh, maybe I'm wrong! ;-)

[19:11:11]

dustintheweb:

that's insane. Are you trying to suckle the content of every known channel? :P

[19:11:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

dustintheweb: Hehehe... Nah... but my son is addicted to CSI, and I like to watch stuff on my own schedule. ;-)

[19:12:47]

Brad-D:

[r]: thanks i will go look for it

[19:12:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

dustintheweb: heck, my system is on the smaller side compared to some others here... ;-) I've only got 4.5TB of disk space.

[19:13:08]

dustintheweb:

on 8 drives? what raid are you running?

[19:13:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

Brad-D: probably press "M" or "I" and check out the menu options.

[19:14:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

dustintheweb: 2 are mirrored for the OS & DB, the other 6 are just individual drives. (I had run Raid5 in the past, but had a dual-drive failure in which I lost everything, so I decided I'd rather just lose 1/5 of my recordings than everything!!!)

[19:15:00]

muns:

ok i've redid my digital scan after updating to 0.23 and redid the mythfilldatabase and now i get nuttin but black screen, also made another for the analog side and the scan goes so quick w/o any locks and is this supposed to be broke in 0.23 as well

[19:15:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

dustintheweb: And I would have more drives in there (after all, I've got 2 more hot-swap bays available), but my stupid motherboard bios gets all confused with > 8 drives, and doesn't remember which drive to boot off of...)

[19:15:08]

dustintheweb:

lol I guess at that point, that makes sense

[19:15:36]

dustintheweb:

how far away from your front end do you keep that backend rig?

[19:16:00]

wagnerrp:

as far as you want

[19:16:20]

dustintheweb:

right, but I was wondering on his specific system

[19:16:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

dustintheweb: And the sad thing is that I had one drive that was going bad, so I checked my raid before shutting down my system to replace it. Everything was fine. But upon re-boot, that drive went into 'click-of-death' mode, and a 2nd drive just totally decided he didn't want to provide any data... even though it was fine just before shutting down, with no errors logged!

[19:17:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

dustintheweb: I currently have 3 dedicated frontends, on wired etherent in the house – total distance by wire is probably 70' each.

[19:17:27]

wagnerrp:

but you still had that second parity set, right?

[19:18:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: No, I wasn't very "raid-Saavy"... so I was sunk. iaml... even tried to help me out, but all I got in the end was broken files... so I started over from scratch...

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Jay2k1:

god what rigs you have

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wagnerrp:

Jay2k1: no, these are just moderate mythtv installs

[19:19:27]

dustintheweb:

cool, are your receivers located near your backend box, or up by the front ends ?

[19:19:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: i came to the conclusion that consumer-grade WD 500GB drives just aren't up to the task of the demands of a 24x7 raid5 setup... According to my system stats, my system was recording over 20% of the time...

[19:20:08]

muns:

in 0.23 is there supposed to be a signal strength meter working? shows 0 and s/n: 2.6 on the main channel

[19:20:16]

Jay2k1:

um, ok here i come, one single combined FE/BE, 1x1TB hdd, 2 DVB cards, full stop

[19:20:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: Yeah, mine is definitely 'moderate' compared to many others here...

[19:20:35]

wagnerrp:

my old consumer grade 300s, and my current consumer grade 750s, work just fine

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Jay2k1:

(and a laptop on which i stream from mythweb sometimes when in bed)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jay2k1: Like I said, i started with One combined fe/be with 100GB video storage, 18GB OS/DB and a PVR-350 and PVR-250.

[19:21:21]

Jay2k1:

:)

[19:21:27]

high-rez:

Anyone recommend a cheap ATSC card that works in linux?

[19:21:41]

Jay2k1:

i started with a pvr-350 – but to no avail as i said, because i also started with 0.22

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J-e-f-f-A:

high-rez: Hauppauge 1250 – but it's PCIe – if that's what you need.

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Jay2k1:

and there's no equivalent to schedulesdirect here

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Jay2k1:

so i was dependant on analog scanning

[19:22:13]

Jay2k1:

then i bought a nova-t :)

[19:22:34]

Jay2k1:

finally a knc one for dvb-c so i had better picture and dolby digital 5.1

[19:22:57]

Jay2k1:

all i'm gonna do in the future is a vdpau gpu and a bigger hd perhaps

[19:23:09]

high-rez:

jeff: Any other suggestions? :-)

[19:23:41]

Jay2k1:

speaking of myth, gonna watch a movie now --->

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J-e-f-f-A:

high-rez: umm.... I think the 2250 (dual-tuner) model is now supported too... ;-)

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nick_fn:

Hi! I just installed mythtv 0.23. Great :-) I'm trying out mythnetvision. It keeps launching firefox, rather than mythbrowser. Where is that configured? Maybe it's not an option any longer, but previously it was, and I set it to run firefox?

[19:24:56]

[R]:

2010-05–14 12:23:27.566 ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '1045_20100225203000.mpg'

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[R]:

why do i constantly get stuff like this in my backend log?

[19:26:02]

iamlindoro:

nick_fn: Utilities/Setup->Setup->Info Center Settings->Web

[19:26:12]

iamlindoro:

You want "Internal"

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dustybin:

what kind of tv card would i require to record UK freeview HD ?

[19:26:45]

nick_fn:

thanks iamlindoro

[19:26:45]

iamlindoro:

[R]: It's an unfortunate (IMO) bit of debugging that was left in following some changes

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[R]:

"you may notice suicidal actions while on this medication"... wtf

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[R]:

iamlindoro: ah

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iamlindoro:

nick_fn: np

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muns:

010-05–14 14:26:42.545 DVBChan(1:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: Tune(): Setting Frontend tuning parameters failed.

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: IDK for sure, but I'd suspect either a DVB-S or a DVB-S2 (probably S2)...

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muns:

is that an issue?

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muns:

also why don't i see the signal meter and noise meter up while scanning? is it broken in the hvr-1600

[19:34:36]

wagnerrp:

the signal meter is not displayed during scanning

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wagnerrp:

it is available during livetv by (i think) F7

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dustybin:

IDK?

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dustybin:

i dont know

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wagnerrp:

'i dont know'

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dustybin:

aye!

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muns:

f7 kk i'll try that once i get everything done again

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dustybin:

J-e-f-f-A: neither are on Satellite, freeview HD is DVB-T

[19:35:40]

dustybin:

http://www.freeview.co.uk/HD

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muns:

wish i had this viewsta fta box back up and runnin lol

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muns:

viewsat

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J-e-f-f-A:

muns: We don't go there here...

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muns:

i know ;)

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iamlindoro:

and yet you do

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muns:

hey free to air chans is ok..."thats" what i meant

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muns:

uh huh

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dustybin:

the time is slowly coming for me to upgrade to HD

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: I dunno really – they don't have any pc-based info there – I'd recommend searching the users list via gossamer-threads ...

[19:39:04]

dustybin:

aye ok

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** J-e-f-f-A wonders how they can call it "Freeview" – when they want 140 pounds for a STB Receiver... **

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dustybin:

heh

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dustybin:

we already have freesat HD

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dustybin:

freeview HD is new

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dustybin:

i dont need a sat dish for that

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: Who knows, you might be able to use a standard DVB-T tuner... Unless they've come out with some new encoding such as DVB-T2 ... I dunno though.

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dustybin:

wow :D

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dustybin:

time to search google

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J-e-f-f-A:

The reason I switched from Dish (Sat) to Verizon FiOS (Fiber) [besides cost savings] is that my view of the 'older' sats is somewhat restricted, and they put up new sats on the 'eastern arc' that I can hit quite easily... but they're HD only, so I'd have to upgrade all my equipment... yuck.

[19:42:56]

dustybin:

'There are not currently any cards which will work with Freeview HD in the UK (DVB-T2). All current cards are DVB-T.'

[19:43:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: Gee, I guessed right for a change! ;-)

[19:44:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: I was just 'guessing', since I figured DVB-T was a close cousin to DVB-S (but with lower frequencies, obviously), and since they introduced S2, I was guessing they'd do the same with Terrestrial.

[19:44:38]

dustybin:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search? . . . nk&gl=uk

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dustybin:

the real site doesnt work, that is a cache

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: They've basically done the same thing in the US with Dish Network – all the old equipment is QPSK (Quad) encoded, and all the new HD stuff is 8PSK encoded, so older receivers don't work with the new sats.

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dustybin:

J-e-f-f-A: so that means all the thousands of HDTVs sold with freeview built in will be no good

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: Yeah, probably... or at least without an 'external' Freeview HD tuner. — they'll still get the SD Freeview stuff I would think.

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dustybin:

i wonder what justinh has to say about this :D

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muns:

k F7 doesn't show up a meter

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stuartm:

Shift+F7 – it was changed years ago

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stuartm:

sorry, that should be Alt+F7

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muns:

k

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muns:

scanned qam-64 and got like 35 channels happens with 256 as well is there half digital/analog signals noawadays

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J-e-f-f-A:

muns: increase the timeout – I had to increase it to 10 seconds when doing a scan at my friend's house, othewise I got *nothing*... but that was a few months ago...

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muns:

which one?

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muns:

and to like what an outrageous amount ;) lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

muns: I think it's the tuning timout – I believe it's in mythtv-setup – been a few months, from memory... ;-)

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martin-lb:

Anyone with an Budget-CI dvb ir receiver saa7146 who might help? I can't seem to get mythbuntu/Linu to map it to a /dev/input/ device

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muns:

kk i'll try that

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stuartm:

martin-lb: might find someone in #linuxtv

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martin-lb:

I'll try that.. thanks!

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muns:

kk i'll try that when i get back

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martin-lb:

hmm, no help there.. seems strange, it's not mapped to /dev/input

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martin-lb:

I: Bus=0001 Vendor=13c2 Product=1010 Version=0001

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martin-lb:

N: Name="Budget-CI dvb ir receiver saa7146 (0)"

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martin-lb:

P: Phys=pci-0000:04:00.0/ir0

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martin-lb:

S: Sysfs=/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:04:00.0/input/input5

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wagnerrp:

yeah... dont do that

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[R]:

martin-lb: should be /dev/input/input5

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martin-lb:

Exactly, but it doesn't seem to be mapped

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martin-lb:

in /dev/input/by-id it's not listed

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[R]:

weird

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martin-lb:

cat /dev/input/input5 doesn't give any output, even how hard I push the buttons on the remote ;-)

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[R]:

ok, so now your changing your story

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[R]:

the device is /dev/input/input5

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[R]:

its just not working

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martin-lb:

well, not meaning to change the story.. but an 'ls /dev/input' shows event 0–6 ..

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martin-lb:

but an ls /dev/input/by-id/ only shows keyboard and mouse

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[R]:

well that doesnt mean antyhing

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[R]:

the node is in /dev/input

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martin-lb:

just installed 'evtest', and evtest on input5 actually shows "Input device name: "Budget-CI dvb ir receiver saa7146 (0)"

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martin-lb:

but nothing happens.. so it seems right then? could it be that the IR receiver is damaged?

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[R]:

it could be broken, it could actualy not work, anything is posible

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martin-lb:

But it seems that the kernel has gottens thing right according to you?

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martin-lb:

and many thanks for your help, it's much appreciated

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martin-lb:

what does the 'rc5_device' setting control?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: So, the reason I didn't want distros setting MYTHCONFDIR... I just got a chance to look at our code, and the only way I can see for the Mythbuntu issue to occur is if the distro is setting MYTHCONFDIR=$HOME/.mythtv and HOME is undefined.

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wagnerrp:

but in what sane environment would $HOME be undefined?

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sphery:

none, but nevertheless, we had to write code to prevent MythTV apps from starting when that's the case

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wagnerrp:

i mean that shouldnt be a concernt

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sphery:

users often did that in cron jobs

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sphery:

now the distro is breaking it--likely as a side effect of using init scripts that don't set HOME and calling mythbackend with --user arg

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sphery:

anyway, I'll just patch it to make sure HOME isn't in MYTHCONFDIR if HOME isn't defined.

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sphery:

(or, actually, if home is "/" because Qt docs guaranteed it will never be empty)

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wagnerrp:

so i should do the same?

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wagnerrp:

just point me at the changeset, and ill duplicate in the bindings

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sphery:

will do

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pak0:

mythtv strems by default or have to follow the guide?

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pak0:

for iphone

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ok, it seems the "no home" detection isn't working

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sphery:

so it may have just been no HOME without the MYTHCONFDIR

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wagnerrp:

sphery: think theres worth in being able to delete all settings on a hostname? or is that a bit dangerous?

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achew22:

So I've been looking online at the themes and in all the photos of themes they have in the background fanart. Is there anything special you have to do to get myth to download the fanart?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: only if done through the apps :)

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wagnerrp:

achew22: mythtv will not download the fanart

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achew22:

wagnerrp: how do you get fanart on there? is that a jamu thing?

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo will download fanart, and the themes will us it for recordings if they find a matching filename

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6064 has the ability to do that, but it needs mythui'ed

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wagnerrp:

or you can just use JAMU to populate fanart for recordings

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i mean right now

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sphery:

I don't want it in the scripts because people copy/paste to other scripts or just use it to assume they can do similar things in other parts of the DB

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wagnerrp:

'del db.settings.some_host.some_value' will delete that value from the database

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sphery:

and if we change things such that the approach needs changing, I don't want all those things out there

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wagnerrp:

im just wondering if theres worth in allowing 'del db.settings.some_host'

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sphery:

if they do it through bindings, it's not that bad

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sphery:

IMHO, it should never be required, though

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sphery:

as there's no storage space benefit

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sphery:

I'd prefer just having a "reset settings" ability

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wagnerrp:

if they do a 'del db.settings.NULL', everything is instantly, magically, horribly broken

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sphery:

that would be bad

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wagnerrp:

thats why im asking, it would be trivial to add, but i dont see it being of much use, only a risk for significant harm

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sphery:

and really, deleting all settings for an in-use system might be a bit too easy if it's an all at once thing

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sphery:

I'd agree with that

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sphery:

and since it has no benefit--other than a "quick and dirty" way to reset settings (delete, then restart mythtv-setup and mythfrontend)

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[R]:

the backend doesnt really run mythfill at the time its supposed to for me... is there a +/- 1 minute or something?

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sphery:

[R]: you can't specify a specific time

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sphery:

the suggested time is simply a "at this time or after"

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sphery:

and the check only happens every 5 mins or so?

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[R]:

ah

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[R]:

ok

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[R]:

just curious

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wagnerrp:

i think the likelihood of it happening reached unity at midnight

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stuartm:

well there's no suggested time for xmltv, just Schedules Direct

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stuartm:

I don't really know what governs when it runs for xmltv, other than once every ~24 hours

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sphery:

actually the "or so" seems to be a random number between 0 and 8 seconds--so 5min + 0–8 seconds

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sphery:

yeah, the xmltv stuff has the period you specify and now has some weird randomization in it

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sphery:

the closest you could come with xmltv is within an hour, the closest for SD is when using a suggested time (and an backend that's running at that time)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Remember how I said "Qt docs guaranteed [QDir::homepath()] will never be empty"... Well, it seems good docs are hard to find.

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wagnerrp:

uh oh... Atom user wanting to run gentoo

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wagnerrp:

cue the heartache and days of compilation

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muns:

is it ok if says QAM-256 Channel 95 — Timed out, 2 possible channels...says that for lots of em the ones that actually lock on when doin scan

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muns:

Found 22 transport(s):

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muns:

says found ATSC 3, and mpeg 40

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muns:

and also get lots of these errors someone might be able to help me fix...

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muns:

2010-05–14 16:21:31.719 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: Tune(): Setting Frontend tuning parameters failed.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: but I'm sure that his custom build of everything (with all the tweaked build lines from his USE flags) will be /so/ much faster that he'll make up for those days of compilation in only about 2M years of running with it.

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wagnerrp:

oh, i know it makes my laptop so much faster

[21:26:27]

sphery:

So long before he finally gets the answer for the mice

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gbee:

I sometimes wonder if I'm the only person in the world who hasn't read HHGTTG

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wagnerrp:

i havent

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sphery:

well worth the read

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muns:

well i'm out of ideas..last resort is send card back and get my money back lol

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** iamlindoro sniffles that Better Off Ted is canceled **

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sphery:

I only read it a couple of years ago

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: :(

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iamlindoro:

Yeah

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iamlindoro:

Chuck and V Renewed for watchers of those

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muns:

maybe get somethin that is well supported or somethin

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iamlindoro:

TrashForward canceled, duh

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sphery:

and Law & Order finally died

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iamlindoro:

Amusingly, Law and Order dead, spinoffs live

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

even a new spin off in LA

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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sphery:

LOLA

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sphery:

Law & Order: Los Angeles

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wagnerrp:

people like LA... it worked for NCIS

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

though NCIS: LA is no NCIS

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sphery:

Scrubs died...

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sphery:

I still liked it.

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sphery:

It wasn't Scrubs, anymore, but was still good.

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iamlindoro:

Glad to see Human Target got renewed, that has been fun

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iamlindoro:

Sort of like an episodic Die Hard meets James Bond movie

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wagnerrp:

forums are saying flash forward actually got decent after the break?

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sphery:

So, kind of a Die, James Bond

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iamlindoro:

Anyone who could stand to watch it until after the break was predisposed to liking it :)

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wagnerrp:

Die Shaken, but Not Stirred

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gbee:

NCIS:LA worked? I thought that was a sure flop

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wagnerrp:

gbee: last i checked, CBS basically destroys everyone tuesday night

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gbee:

originally I didn't think too much of the original, it's formulaic, a little dumb etc, but by accident I found myself watching it again and as 45mins of unchallenging entertainment it's not bad

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gbee:

but the pilot/first ep of NCIS:LA had me reaching for the remote _very_ quickly

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wagnerrp:

seems im wrong, the singing and dancing game shows are in the lead

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gbee:

I've yet to see the problem with FlashForward, it's gloss over substance, but what substance it has is still miles better than a host of other long running shows

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wagnerrp:

it was endless twist after twist, with no real point to any of it

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justinh:

I've heard Lost described similarly :P

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wagnerrp:

excluding game shows, news, and sports, CBS has 7 of the top 9 this season

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gbee:

wagnerrp: ok, thinking about it there were too many plot lines, but I can't say I noticed at the time I was watching, only in hindsight

[21:46:50]

justinh:

who can name any of the flashforward characters?

[21:47:12]

wagnerrp:

sadly, the list only goes to 20, and the other 11 are game shows, news, and sports

[21:47:17]

gbee:

and until the last ep, I even kept watching The Prisoner (though perhaps expecting something to develop and it still hasn't)

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justinh:

I get as far as Lloyd Simcoe, then go completely blank

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iamlindoro:

justinh: uuhhhhhhh.... Shakespeare? Harold?

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iamlindoro:

justinh: bad lady from one of the seasons of 24?

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justinh:

lol

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gbee:

very disappointed with Jim, wooden as an Oak Forest

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wagnerrp:

jim the main fbi guy?

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Ouch, The Prisoner is many hours I will never get back

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iamlindoro:

Caviezel

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justinh:

oh yeah and the bloke who didn't flash's annoying girlfriend

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wagnerrp:

oh, actor

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iamlindoro:

Charlie from Lost?

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gbee:

wagnerrp: ^^, I couldn't remember how his surname was spelt

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gbee:

and I wasn't going to try just to fail

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justinh:

if she was a song she'd be 'I love your smile' by Shanice.

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gbee:

justinh: fair point, I can't remember their names, though that's true of many a series, maybe FF is just one of those shows I like because it's not really important to remember those things

[21:50:41]

gbee:

even I like the opportunity to veg out for a few hours each week

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Jay2k1:

humm

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Jay2k1:

lost characters now

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Jay2k1:

i can't remember any FF names, but i'm sure with lost i get > 90%

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Jay2k1:

are they just more common names? or is it because lost already runs for felt centuries

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gbee:

I can't really remember any names from Lost now, but it's been years (well feels that way) since it was shown in the UK

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gbee:

I still pretend it was cancelled after the third series

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justinh:

heh

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Jay2k1:

g simmons is the only ff char i remember

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Jay2k1:

and its not even a "real" char yet

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gbee:

Gene Simmons was in FF?

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sphery:

gbee: season 1 was great, 2 – 4 were a test of the faithful, and 5 and 6 made the pain of 2–4 worthwhile

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sphery:

in LOST

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Jay2k1:

gbee: there is a g. simmons, that mysterious guy in the stadium

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Jay2k1:

that didnt fell unconsciouss

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justinh:

gibbons wasn't it?

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justinh:

and we *know* who that was

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Jay2k1:

maybe geg

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Jay2k1:

heh*

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Jay2k1:

well, in germany we don't know yet

[21:57:12]

Jay2k1:

that, or i'm being stupid

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sphery:

so is FF worth watching if you haven't started it, yet, or delete without watching?

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justinh:

really? I thought it was more or less simultaneous all over the world

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gbee:

sphery: well 1–3 were shown FTA in the UK, then Sky bought the rights and so I've never seen an episode since, even if I now get Sky One via my cable package, I refuse on principal (and convenience) to watch Sky

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Jay2k1:

dunno bout ff – lost is >6 months behind

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sphery:

now that it's cancelled, will I be upset with the ending (or lack thereof)

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justinh:

sphery: I dunno, I resent having wasted so many hours on it

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sphery:

interesting... that may be another delete without watching, then

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gbee:

in fact my cable subscription is largely a waste of money I don't watch anything I can't record and that means FTA

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sphery:

yeah, I'm OTA only, and it's great

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justinh:

hmm. I should check whois to make sure my home address isn't shown anymore

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gbee:

sphery: I'd say you should make up your own mind, there are two extremes of opinion in here

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sphery:

And the amount I spend on DVD's to get the shows that air on cable only is /much/ smaller than the cost of a cable sub

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justinh:

sphery: FF started out great IMHO, then went a bit off the rails. It might get better – but I've got more to watch if I want to find out

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sphery:

gbee: yeah, I'll either make the decision, while taking into account input from here, or my dwindling available space will make it for me

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gbee:

there is a quite clear attempt in FF to get back onto the rails, they started accelerating plot lines in the second half, which in a way just makes it seem even more twisty because the twists are coming that much faster – but at least you can't accuse it of moving too slowly as many people did in the first half

[22:02:08]

justinh:

oo finally. people linking to the old club site have got in touch to say thanks & they've updated their links.. while I set about strong-arming a couple of domain names back

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gbee:

club?

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justinh:

dog training club

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sphery:

I'll admit that it's a show in a genre and style that I will consider watching even if cancelled. There are some that I would never watch once cancelled.

[22:02:41]

gbee:

ah

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justinh:

somebody said they no longer had a site, I said I could do a site, so I did :)

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Jay2k1:

here in germany, that black cop committed suicide one or two episodes ago

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Jay2k1:

and they're all like "we can change stuff" now

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gbee:

sphery: it's a show in a genre that you'd never watch at all if you avoided cancelled series

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Jay2k1:

and they got charlie and the father of that little boy captured

[22:03:41]

Jay2k1:

is that far behind?

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Jay2k1:

(charlie from lost that is)

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justinh:

if they tie up the end of a season properly it wouldn't matter if they got cancelled or not

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gbee:

there is almost nothing in the sci-fi action/drama camp that survives cancellation after one or two series

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justinh:

but then there's something tantalising about a good cliffhanger

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justinh:

same with unhappy endings. we need more of those

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gbee:

Jay2k1: that's pretty far behind, maybe 7–8 episodes at least

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justinh:

series which hit like ten seasons can end up like police academy. Arghh! make them stop!

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Niklas__E:

I got a saa7134 and only uses the analog driver, it works fine with tvtime, but in mythtv I can't search for channels, got any idea what it can be?

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gbee:

generally sci-fi type shows that do survive are the low budget, small 'Indie' offerings, normally made in canada or the UK

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Jay2k1:

the last thing i remember is that dude telling the father that they didn't cause the blackout but amplified it

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justinh:

Niklas__E: oh, using mythtv less than version 0.23?

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Niklas__E:

justinh: yes

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justinh:

Niklas__E: you need 0.23 then :)

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Niklas__E:

justinh: aha, thanks

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notlistening:

Hi, I have a server here at home and want to run a primary backend on it how much ram could it use like min/max/optinal. I am running it in a hotel with 100's of frontends anyone got experience on myths performance?

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notlistening:

oh the myth machine is running as an instance on a cloud

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justinh:

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

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notlistening:

thats why i want to have an idea of ram allocation for a system that has hundreads of users

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justinh:

methinks network utilisation is going to be your primary concern.. I could be wrong...

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tank-man:

me thinks the primary concerns are legal ones :)

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notlistening:

backend on a virtual machine hosting media for lots of clients

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notlistening:

why legal ones?

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gbee:

whilst there are people out there running similar installations, generally details don't filter back to the project or community

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justinh:

people here generally run their backends with like 1GB or more of RAM

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justinh:

you can get away with less for a backend only system.. but no idea how more users would impact that

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notlistening:

justinh that is the key question

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gbee:

notlistening: short answer is that I doubt anyone here would be able to give you the figures you want, they just aren't available

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justinh:

notlistening: well, you could have legal issues if you're not using terrestrial services.. or showing movies & other content without permission to do it as part of a distribution system

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notlistening:

humm guess i will try it out, fire up a load of virtual machine and see how it scales

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gbee:

I wouldn't have a clue how well MythTV scales with that number of concurrent users, if I were to guess I'd say it wouldn't matter, not for RAM anyway

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notlistening:

yeah justinh, I understand that generally hotel use terrestrial of content that have bought the rights to

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gbee:

I/O would be of greater concern

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justinh:

I/O, network..

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notlistening:

gbee I/O will be a big issue depending on how the system is configured

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justinh:

how well myth performs as a system greatly depends on how well mysql copes on a backend

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justinh:

s/backend/system/

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justinh:

since the whole shebang is based around the mysql database...

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notlistening:

humm been looking at seperating the database and the backend on different system for a performance increase

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notlistening:

and also using secondary backend, as i understand a front end can connected to a secondary backend right

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notlistening:

and the secondary backend talk directly to a mysql instance on another box?

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[R]:

the frontend talks to the db

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tank-man:

sounds possible

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notlistening:

ahh okay and you can have multiple replicated mysql databases to load share if that was an issue

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[R]:

well it connects by ip

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[R]:

dunno if it would freak out if the ip in the db was differnet from the actual ip it was connecting to

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notlistening:

R what role does the backend play in content provision if any it is all concerned with capture and management?

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[R]:

provision?

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notlistening:

when a client asks for content from the backend so streaming a TV program

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[R]:

huh?

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notlistening:

I think i should have a read up on the architecture

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notlistening:

I don't think i am being very clear

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justinh:

look in the wiki for 'executive overview'

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gbee:

honestly I don't think mysql will be the weak link, you're average mysql backed website sees hundreds of concurrent visitors without falling over, mysql is designed to handle load

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justinh:

no, but mysql performance is important

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notlistening:

I will have a read up on mysql and its ram requirements in demanding envrioments

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sphery:

wagnerrp: 4\pPiK9gsUf9pI:rd3

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/24668 is what I went with

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notlistening:

I will let you know what i find in regards to performace

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[R]:

sphery: getenv is actually going to return $HOME and not the actual replacement for it?

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sphery:

and no worries... I've now changed my password. :)

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sphery:

[R]: it returns whatever the value is defined as

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sphery:

so, MYTHCONFDIR='$HOME/.mythtv' would return a value with $HOME in it

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sphery:

basically it's up to shell and shell-quoting/-escaping whether it's interpreted before it gets to the environment

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sphery:

we already supported doing HOME-replacement, so I just prevented it from doing it in such a way that it defeats our invalid-config-directory check

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[R]:

ah... single quotes

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sphery:

the problem, though, was that QDir::homepath() now returns '' for undefined HOME. In Qt3, it returned "/"

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sphery:

and the docs say it will give you "/"

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sphery:

they're not properly checking the value /they/ get from getenv("HOME") , so we get to work around it :)

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[R]:

ah

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muns:

do i scan channels on digital side first then do the fetch channels? also when it says found channels and there's conflicts do i ignore or manually add them "suggested" part

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sphery:

muns: if you do Fetch channels after you do channel scan, you /must/ ensure that channels have enough information that mythfilldatabase can match them to xmltv/Schedules Direct channels--i.e. set your xmltvid for each scanned digital channel before the Fetch

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muns:

ya engrish plz

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muns:

lol

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sphery:

or you can set up the analog video source first, then fetch, then set up the digital video source, then do xmltvid

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muns:

is xmltvid a program?

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muns:

i am beginning there is no more analog or somethin cuz no locks or nuttin

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sphery:

no, it's what links a MythTV channel to a listings-provider channel (i.e. a channel in your XMLTV data)

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muns:

i'm using schedules direct

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sphery:

ok, then the xmltvid is what links a MythTV channel to a Schedules Direct channel (in your SD data :)

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sphery:

it's quite possible that there are no analog channels on your cable line

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muns:

ok so basically ......what do i do

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sphery:

many cable companies have been turning them off

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muns:

lmao

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sphery:

just make sure you set the xmltvid properly before doing a Fetch if you've scanned for digital channels

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muns:

ya i think febuary 2009 they turned em off

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sphery:

and don't scan for analog channels

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 is a quick overview of the setup process

[22:45:21]

sphery:

(combined with a "how to clean up garbage from earlier attempts)

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muns:

well the problem is black screen

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muns:

8th install and bout a 4 days workin on this damn card

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iamlindoro:

"darn" card, see channel rules

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muns:

!rules

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muns:

!rulez

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muns:

lol

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iamlindoro:

they're in the topic

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muns:

ok ok...how do i downgrade from 0.23 to 0.21

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iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC

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sphery:

why 0.21?

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iamlindoro:

You remove .23, restore your .21 database backup, and install .21

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iamlindoro:

Just don't ask any questions once you get there, since it's not supported any more

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sphery:

and then suffer with the less-functional program

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muns:

because every "darn" friggin forum and website shows this card works in 9.04 and 9.10 with 0.21

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sphery:

well if it works with any version of MythTV, it works with any other version

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sphery:

so the issue is likely not MythTV version but MythTV configuration

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muns:

and every reason to believe either a: this card sux, b: mythbuntu doesn't work with this card and waisted $80 bucks, and c: everyone elses fault but mine lol

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sphery:

but make sure you have the 0.23-fixes auto-builds enabled, just in case there's any bug fixed

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sphery:

isn't it an HVR-1600?

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muns:

ya

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muns:

just gettin adjutated is all

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sphery:

the card works

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muns:

0.23-fixes? i did some auto-builds thing and installed it but is that the 0.23-"fixes"

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sphery:

unless there's some breakage in Mythbuntu 10.04's V4L/DVB build/config, it will work fine once you configure it properly

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sphery:

yeah, auto-builds = 0.xx-fixes

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muns:

kk

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sphery:

(except for trunk auto-builds)

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muns:

got it then

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sphery:

yeah, so you should be good

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muns:

and ya 10.04 is what i have figured try it out

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sphery:

I haven't heard of anyone having problems with 10.04's V4L/DVB stuff, so it's just figuring out the right configuration

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muns:

ya i'm still going thru different options hmm even tried everything in the analog and digital for the capture cards, tried every single one in the list anyhow i'm workin on the digital side now and scanning times out but finds channels weird? so i add them "suggestively" to the list manually and then fetch chans by listing and goto frontend and test it out and black screen

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muns:

ya i haven't found one person yet on forums that has the 10.04 with this card ;(

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muns:

i'm just thinking of different possibilities here i just don't want to lose

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iamlindoro:

Need a test subject

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iamlindoro:

need someone to use Mythbuntu theme, browse mode, and select a folder item, then take a screenshot for me

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muns:

test sub

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iamlindoro:

n/m, got what I need, thanks

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muns:

k

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