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Monday, May 10th, 2010, 00:03 UTC

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oobe:

squish102, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.ht . . . m%20Priority

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wagnerrp:

so final release half an hour ago?

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dan__t:

hi.

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dan__t:

Anyone use a Hauppauge HVR-1600? The "blaster" – what does it look like? Does it have a round end, and an oblong diode, two wires connected to a phono jack that plugs in to the card?

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squish102:

thanks oobe

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dan__t:

I don't remember what came with the box, and I think the "blaster" part was a different cable.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the blaster is the tiny little plastic piece on the end of an 1/8" mono jack

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wagnerrp:

or if youre talking the vanilla 1600

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wagnerrp:

its a 4-connector jack, and the receiver is the larger gray plastic piece

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wagnerrp:

http://www.snapstream.com/images/store/PVR-150_IR_Blaster.jpg

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wagnerrp:

the receiver is the big gray thing, the transmitter is the small black thing

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squish102:

wagnerrp release .23 you talking bout?

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wagnerrp:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/24521

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wagnerrp:

tagged, but not official yet

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wagnerrp:

need to get the tarballs out to mirrors first

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squish102:

now i really really have to upgrade. still on .21 but trying to get like hardware to test the upgrade first (which is its own challenge)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: another US user who wants to scan for channels on his PVR-500 rather than use Schedules Direct

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delmar:

Hi everyone. I'm having some issues getting mythtv to drive my Moteck positioner via diseqc 1.2. The card+diseqc setup _seem_ fairly obvious, but mythtv isnt sending the commands. tried mythtv .22 and 0.23. Anyone know much about the diseqc 1.2 support in myth etc? cheers.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i didnt realize you were such a new dev

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wagnerrp:

when going through the initial rewrite of the bindings, you seemed to know too much about the internals not to be a old dev

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sphery:

I'm good at faking

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iamlindoro:

That's what she said

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

see... now i GET that one

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wagnerrp:

[R] keeps using that, i havent understood it once

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aliby:

sphery: no, my channel lineup has not changed. I've deleted and readded channels to no avail

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sphery:

aliby: was talking about someone else

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sphery:

on the -users list

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Vek:

my myth frontend seems to have decided everyone should sound like mickey mouse. No changes that I'm aware of; it started while I was trying the DVD play feature last night--the DVD slowly sped up and finally got too annoying--but now it's affecting my recorded video as well.

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Vek:

any idea what might have gone wrong and/or how to fix it?

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levander:

I've gotta WinTV card in my MythTV box. But, when I 'lspci', it's not showing up in the output. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

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wagnerrp:

what 'WinTV' card specifically?

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levander:

wagnerrp: That's what I'm trying to verify. I believe it's a 2250, but I' mnot positive.

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dustintheweb:

does anyone have a link to a parts list for a mid-high end myth back end box?

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dustintheweb:

looking for suggestions :D

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levander:

RF is short for "radio frequency"?

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levander:

Specifically, in this sentence: There is talk of being able to use a cable or satellite STB's RF output to capture HDTV sourced from cable or satellite. This CANNOT be done! Cable & satellite receivers for the home do not & cannot remodulate HDTV signals to ATSC/QAM. If channels are encrypted on cable/satellite – that's how they stay.

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levander:

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wagnerrp:

any RF (rg-6 coax) output they may have would be standard definition NTSC

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levander:

ah, okay, thanks

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dustintheweb:

no suggestions for me?

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wagnerrp:

dustintheweb: you have to provide the scenario you intend to install for before we can recommend anything

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levander:

dustintheweb: sorry, i'm not familiar with various hardware configurations and what it takes to run what with Myth

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dustintheweb:

I'm just basically wanting to know, for a back end box, what cpu / ram specs I should be looking for

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wagnerrp:

right we cant yet tell you

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dustintheweb:

don't want to come up short umph wise, and I don't want to break the bank

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dustintheweb:

what are you running wagnerrp?

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levander:

dustintheweb: They need info like "how many frontends"? "What will your video source be? cable? pirated video? what?"

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wagnerrp:

1.8, 2.0, and 2.6 GHz athlons

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dustintheweb:

ram?

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wagnerrp:

2GB, 1GB, 2GB

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dustintheweb:

ok cool, so you think 2gb is plenty for you?

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wagnerrp:

more than

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dustintheweb:

is that back end + front?

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wagnerrp:

however we cannot recommend a CPU until you tell us what you intend to do

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levander:

dustintheweb: yes, front and backend on the same box, or 2 different boxes, 2gb is plenty

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: did you read some of that guy's posts?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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dan__t:

lirc_pvr150: cx18 i2c driver #0–1: no devices found

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dan__t:

i give up.

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dan__t:

just waiting for my blasters to show up tomorrow.

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wagnerrp:

a pirate... AND absolutely retarded

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dustintheweb:

right now, I'm building a file server/ myth back end combo box. front end will come later. I just want to make sure that on the myth side of things, that the processor/ ram I throw into it will keep things smooth. A scenario for me would be: recording 1080 movie from cable onto the backend, streaming another 1080 movie from that drive at the same time, and maybe basic file transfers from the same box.

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dan__t:

dustintheweb, I picked up an Intel Ion-based machine the other day as a frontend, its working pretty well.

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dustintheweb:

It's just my wife & I on a small network

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wagnerrp:

dustintheweb: if you intend to record HD from cable, please read http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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dustintheweb:

yeah I'm thinking ion for the front end

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I was the one who corrected his nonsense way back when, just forgot he existed until now

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dustintheweb:

thanks wagnerrp, I'm familiar w/ that – it doesn't list specs though

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wagnerrp:

dustintheweb: no, but it lists the difficulties of recording digital cable

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dustintheweb:

right, :) I'm aware

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dustintheweb:

it'd mostly be antenna, etc

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wagnerrp:

still need to know what your usage scenario would be

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wagnerrp:

recording off ATSC? recording off an HDPVR? one frontend? multiple frontends? any bluray content?

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wagnerrp:

any need for transcoding? commflagging?

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dan__t:

Ok, looks like I need to look in to getting an HD PVR real soon...

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dan__t:

That could be fun.

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dustintheweb:

it will be 1 front end to begin with, no more than 2 in the foreseeable future. I'll be doing mostly ATSC, maybe cable when/if I can get something to come through. Transcoding into mpeg-2, Not sure about commflagging

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levander:

dan__t: I'm looking at that now. $200 seems steep for something like that...

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wagnerrp:

ATSC already is mpeg2

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levander:

I'm almost half thinking about just going with my cable companies crummy DVR.

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dan__t:

Yea it does.. and considering I'd need two of them, not sure its worth it.

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Shadow_U:

being able to record premiums in hd seems worth it to me

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dustintheweb:

so, any thoughts on a backend cpu for that scenario?

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Shadow_U:

2 quad core xeons at the least

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wagnerrp:

oh, certainly!

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** dustintheweb facepalm **

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wagnerrp:

... no, the backend really does next to nothing with digital tuners and hardware encoders

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levander:

dan__t: Any idea how much renting an HD cable box from your provider is? Last time I looked, you buy the HD channels, you get the HD cable box (which is a DVR) for free.

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dustintheweb:

its like 10$ a month w/ a package

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wagnerrp:

you need enough power to do a fairly quick schedule run, through the backend and database

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wagnerrp:

and thats about it

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dan__t:

I have the HD box, just no pure digital way to get that content in to MythTV. That's what I want.

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wagnerrp:

any halfway decent dual core processor (not atom, or some other low power POS)

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dustintheweb:

so, would a 1.6ghz dual core fit the bill?

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dan__t:

I'm real happy with this Atom frontend

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dan__t:

I've said that a few times heh

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levander:

Sucks that Comcast turned on privacy mode. I'm almost as lost now as I was when I first used Myth.

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wagnerrp:

an atom is a terrible frontend or backend

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wagnerrp:

an ION is an adequate frontend, but not great

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dan__t:

First Atom I've ever owned. NVidia Ion makes things look real nice apparently.

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wagnerrp:

commflagging takes a lot of power, maybe 30–50% more than normal decoding

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dan__t:

I got this board because I wanted HDMI output onboard.

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levander:

The FCC with their failed tru2way are a bunch of idiots.

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wagnerrp:

but that doesnt have to happen in real time unless you want it to

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dustintheweb:

wagnerrp, what would you consider a half decent dual core processor?

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dan__t:

wondering how many people have just ripped the QAM cards out of their cable boxes and used them somehow in mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

transcoding requires a lot more power, not something you can do in real time

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wagnerrp:

dustintheweb: any core2, i3/5/7, or athlon64

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wagnerrp:

dual core p4s need not apply

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wagnerrp:

but you cant buy those anymore anyway, so it doesnt matter

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wagnerrp:

if you want transcodes and commflags to go faster, you need more power

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wagnerrp:

but its not really necessary

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wagnerrp:

now the frontend needs a lot of power for decoding

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dustintheweb:

is transcoding/ commflagging a backend process?

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wagnerrp:

its a jobqueue process, and each backend runs an instance of the jobqueue

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wagnerrp:

or you can run mythjobqueue on the frontend, or any other machine you have available

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wagnerrp:

the frontend needs to handle all decoding

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wagnerrp:

that same core2/i3/i5/i7/ath64 will have no trouble with ATSC

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wagnerrp:

but you need at least a 2.5GHz core2, or 3GHz ath64, to handle that HDPVR content

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dustintheweb:

yeah, I'm planning on a much beefier front end

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, you can offload it to an nvidia GPU using VDPAU (as the ION platform does)

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wagnerrp:

1GB should be decent for a backend, but more memory gets you more disk cache

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wagnerrp:

never bad

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wagnerrp:

consider 1GB bare minimum for a frontend

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wagnerrp:

its fine for standard def or minimal themes

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levander:

The wiki just says they're working on support for the HD DVR. Did that work every complete?

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wagnerrp:

but one with a lot of artwork is going to consume a lot of memory

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dan__t:

Says it works as of 0.22

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wagnerrp:

levander: yeah, like a year and a half ago

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dustintheweb:

ok, so knowing what I'm dealing with now (backend only) – would you say an i3 w/ 2gb ram would get me where I need w/ some furtureproofing wiggle room?

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wagnerrp:

any i3 should make a nice backend

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dustintheweb:

that's what I needed to know

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dustintheweb:

thanks

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dustintheweb:

was just going to go for an old p4 dual

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Shadow_U:

dustintheweb: not only is a dual p4 setup a power hog it is also slow

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dustintheweb:

its a good thing I came here first then ;)

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dustintheweb:

is anyone here running an i3 or greater?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: feeling bored? I'd bet you could crank out a patch in minutes to make mythplugins/mytharchive/mythburn/scripts/mythburn.py not include a trailing comma on the list of chapter times to post to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8438 for user testing.

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sphery:

(and then--after being exposed to the MythArchive python, you may get the "rewrite in Python bindings" bug :)

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iamlindoro:

or the "cured of ever wanting to touch anything again" bug

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

sphery: ten good enough?

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sphery:

did you catch the bug?

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wagnerrp:

probably... maybe....

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wagnerrp:

ive never used mytharchive

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sphery:

hehe :)

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sphery:

yeah, that's it's primary problem--none of the devs really have much use for it, so it doesn't get lots of love

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sphery:

its

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sphery:

http://www.tv.com/whats-been-renewed-whats-be . . . nd_the_web;8

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sphery:

Better Off Ted... I want that miracle

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wagnerrp:

'couger town... for better or worse, it has fans'

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wagnerrp:

thats certainly a glowing review... :)

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sphery:

Supernatural ... Will be back, but without show creator and showrunner Eric Kripke.

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sphery:

woah... that's unexpected

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sphery:

as even the show creator thought this was its last season

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wagnerrp:

'ncis... automatic return unless cbs makes the biggest mistake in broadcasting history'

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sphery:

heh, yeah, I liked that one

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sphery:

The Cleveland Show ... Two words: Seth MacFarlane.

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sphery:

I deleted the entire season having only watched one episode (the Family Guy crossover)

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sphery:

Seth or not, it wasn't worth the time

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sphery:

one for iamlindoro: Dollhouse ... You can't spell Whedon without D-O-N-E. Kidding, kidding.

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** cesman also enjoys Ted **

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sphery:

think an e-mail from you and one from me will be enough to convince them?

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sphery:

Heroes ... Rumored to get a 13-episode final season.

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sphery:

Chuck ... It's prospects going back and forth; we're guessing it returns.

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sphery:

If Heroes comes back and Chuck doesn't, I'll be /very/ upset

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** cesman gave up on Chuck long ago **

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sphery:

I like Chuck

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wagnerrp:

so the jay leno show is cancelled, and all theyve got left is the SNL dropout

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wagnerrp:

their late night lineup is going to be awful

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sphery:

SNL dropout?

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sphery:

they've still got The Tonight Show with Conan^H^H^H^H^HJay Leno

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wagnerrp:

jimmy fallon

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sphery:

heh, I never knew he was SNL alum

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wagnerrp:

oh, so hes still got the show, they just renamed it back

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Dassu:

^.^

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wagnerrp:

sphery: he wasnt an alum, he was a dropout

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wagnerrp:

the only funny thing he was part of on that show was 'moar cowbell'

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sphery:

oh

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sphery:

Jay is back to his original show in his original time slot

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wagnerrp:

he had several years of additional garbage

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sphery:

but The Jay Leno Show (in the 10:00 time slot) is cancelled)

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wagnerrp:

so heroes is coming back for a fifth?

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sphery:

or is that a 9th?

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sphery:

with all those 2-chapter seasons and such

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bcgrown:

what are everyone's thoughts on vdpau deinterlacers? the wiki seems to say Temporal 2x is better, but Bob 2x looks better to me

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Teevo:

Hello people.

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bcgrown:

hello

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wagnerrp:

bob is a very simple filter, that does nothing more than double the lines in each field

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Teevo:

I have a problem, which appears to be common.

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bcgrown:

Well that's what analog TVs were meant to do. Why do we need to do anything else?

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wagnerrp:

no, thats not what analog tvs were meant to do

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bcgrown:

oh sorry i misread your comment

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Teevo:

HD MKV files freezing during playback.

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Teevo:

I want to change it from the internal player to an mplayer code I found... but I think I put it in wrong.

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wagnerrp:

no you dont

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wagnerrp:

Teevo: what codecs/options did you use when you made that video, and what is your processor and video card?

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: "Shows one field followed by the other displaced vertically, requires the display to be capable of twice the framerate as the source" sounds like regular analog CRT deinterlacing to me...

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Teevo:

Oh I have no idea... I have a bunch of files.

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wagnerrp:

and... how did you encode them

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Teevo:

They are all different. One plays fine, the others don't. I didn't encode them.

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** iamlindoro checks ammo **

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wagnerrp:

meaning... you acquired them illegally through some random source on the internet?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, tell us.

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: awfully quick to jump to conclusions

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** iamlindoro 's eyes narrow **

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: no, thats the correct conclusion 99% of the time when someone has MKVs that they did not themselves produce

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Teevo:

Lol – I bought a couple of Bluray discs, and I don't have a bluray player yet. I'm jumping the gun by downloading the bluray rip.

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iamlindoro:

Well either you encoded them, in which case you know how you did, or you got them legally in which case you can point us at where to get them and find out ourselves, or the third option, in which case you get no help :)

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wagnerrp:

we cannot help you with playback issues with illegal content

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wagnerrp:

even if you have the actual bluray disk in your posession

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bcgrown:

if he's bought the disks it's not illegal outside the USA, i believe. except in countries that have DMCA-like laws

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Teevo:

Well how about helping me configure MythTV to playback using the mplayer for mkv file types?

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iamlindoro:

bcgrown, It's illegal in this channel, no matter where one lives

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: bob is whats called a field doubler, it takes the one field of data you have, and copies it one pixel up or down depending on whether its upper or lower

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wagnerrp:

that process can causing some content to 'bob' up and down with each frame, hence its name

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bcgrown:

ah

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bcgrown:

i never noticed that. seemed to be slightly less motion blur with Bob

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wagnerrp:

analog tvs kind-of do something similar, they only display every other line, but the image blends together in our vision producing a full frame

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wagnerrp:

they actually dont do anything, its just an illusion

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bcgrown:

i know

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Teevo:

I have gone to Settings > Video Playback > File Types and changed the default player for mkv files to mplayer but now it doesn't play at all.

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wagnerrp:

anyway, its possible bob could look good with some content

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bcgrown:

funny how we're still adapting to the limitations of the obselete CRT :)

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wagnerrp:

but generally if you can run something that performs an intelligent blend like temporal, it will look better

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wagnerrp:

Teevo: if you want to rip those BR discs, we can help you play that content

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wagnerrp:

but we cannot help you with some arbitrary content you pulled off a torrent site

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bcgrown:

What's the status of BR ripping on linux anyway? Are most discs possible now?

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Teevo:

Why? What's the difference?

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wagnerrp:

decryption needs to be done on windows with anydvd or makemkv, but mythtv can play it from that point on

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wagnerrp:

Teevo: because you did not pay for the right to use that content

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wagnerrp:

and you were not otherwise authorized by the owner of it

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Teevo:

Yes I did, I bought the disk.

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wagnerrp:

yes, you bought the disk, you can do whatever you want with the content on that disk for personal use

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wagnerrp:

you cannot do whatever you want with someone else's copy that you found on the internet

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Teevo:

Yep, so I got someone else to encode it for me. What's the difference?

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dougt:

anyone have any luck with a Zotac zbox?

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wagnerrp:

did they come to your own, rip your disk, and encode it for you?

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iamlindoro:

The difference is that you won't get any help here, and that you are about to get kicked

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wagnerrp:

s/own/home/

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Teevo:

yep.

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Teevo:

All I want to know is some code.

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iamlindoro:

Please feel free to keep it up though, it's been practically days since I kicked anyone

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Teevo:

I think I'm missing the file command that is required by MythTV – I don't really want to debate legalities.

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iamlindoro:

Teevo, we don't want to help you in *any* fashion with illegally obtained content-- even within the context of myth use

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iamlindoro:

so you are probably going to need to seek help elsewhere

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iamlindoro:

My thoughts exactly (Re: Useless)

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sphery:

well, we /know/ there's no way that someone who would steal video content with no intention of ever buying it would /ever/ lie about having purchased the disc, so I'm sure he had the discs, too

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sphery:

after all, lots of people go out, buy BD's of their favorite movies--long before buying a drive/Blu-Ray player

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sphery:

just so they can download illegal copies of movies without feeling guilty

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iamlindoro:

"<Teevo> Oh I have no idea... I have a bunch of files." --> "<Teevo> Lol – I bought a couple of Bluray discs, and I don't have a bluray player yet."

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iamlindoro:

One of these is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong

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sphery:

bunch > couple

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bcgrown:

2010-05–08 14:02:39.913 FilterManager: Failed to load filter 'colorspace', no such filter exists

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sphery:

Usually Google does conversions automatically, but not this time: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source . . . amp;gs_rfai=

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bcgrown:

but it does exist: /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstffmpegcolorspace.so

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bcgrown:

unless that's a different one?

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sphery:

bcgrown: if that's a MythTV message, MythTV doesn't use any gstreamer stuff

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bcgrown:

hm

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: most of us dont even know such filters even exist

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wagnerrp:

i hadnt actually heard about them until last week

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sphery:

and in mythtv, you may want vdpaucolorspace

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sphery:

or just remove the whole colorspace thing from your filters

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bcgrown:

what is mythtv complaining about then? i'm just using the default vdpau slim profile and it had that in there

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sphery:

and you have a broken playback profile

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wagnerrp:

if youre using VDPAU, you want to use one of the premade ones

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sphery:

bcgrown: Do the instructions for resetting: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles# . . . ofile_groups

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wagnerrp:

Slim, Normal, or High, depending on your card

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wagnerrp:

what card?

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sphery:

bcgrown: your profile groups are corrupt, you should reset them as above

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bcgrown:

how's it corrupt? i didn't change it. unless the settings are retained in the database and got jumbled

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sphery:

just trust me, it's corrupt

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sphery:

how is unimportant

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sphery:

it's a long story and not worth retelling :)

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sphery:

I will say it's not your fault, though

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bcgrown:

haha

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bcgrown:

is there still an equivalent of the crop filter? it didn't seem to work when i tried

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bcgrown:

sometimes i get a couple pixels of garbage on the edge of my frame

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bcgrown:

s/pixels/lines

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sphery:

don't know if that works with vdpau

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iamlindoro:

rather than using a crop filter, just overscan playback by 1 or 2 percent

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iamlindoro:

that will work with all decoders, be less costly, and fill your screen

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bcgrown:

ah

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bcgrown:

yeah

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bcgrown:

except for the auto-zoom doesn't work because of those lines. i.e. when a program is broadcast letterboxed

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iamlindoro:

auto-zoom doesn't work with VDPAU at all

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bcgrown:

that explains why it hasn't been working...

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bcgrown:

:(

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dougt:

what happened to the custom filters for vdpau in the front end? Have the moved from Setup -> TV Settings -> Playback

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bcgrown:

no they're still there

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iamlindoro:

nope, still same place they've always been

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wagnerrp:

do custom filters even work in vdpau?

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iamlindoro:

the vdpau ones do

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wagnerrp:

oh

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iamlindoro:

ie, the filters prefixed with "vdpau"

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iamlindoro:

but only those

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iamlindoro:

in theory you could do software decode and vdpau render, but that would defeat the purpose for most people

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bcgrown:

too bad. i was excited to watch inverted hockey

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dougt:

i don't see it. I am using svn truck.

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iamlindoro:

you should switch from truck to trunk, I bet it's there ;)

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dougt:

heh.

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dougt:

yeah, i am on trunk. ;-)

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iamlindoro:

Second page when editing a playback profile, nothing has moved in years

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iamlindoro:

filters are still set there

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bcgrown:

dougt: s/on t/d ?

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bcgrown:

is Picture-Beside-Picture gone in 0.23, or maybe just in VDPAU?

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wagnerrp:

which one of the ubuntu guys wrote their theme?

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iamlindoro:

gbutters,

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iamlindoro:

minus the comma

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iamlindoro:

I already prompted him on the ticket in -theming, though

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wagnerrp:

ah, so you have... was wondering why an hour later you hadnt yet closed it

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iamlindoro:

bcgrown-afk, PBP is not supported by VDPAU, but is still invoked the same way as ever

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iamlindoro:

(by hitting the TOGGLEPBP binding)

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bcgrown-afk:

it doesn't show up in my menu. would it just use software rendering then if started it with the TOGGLEPBP binding

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bcgrown-afk:

?

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bcgrown-afk:

not that PBP or PIP are much use, they're just fun to show off sometimes

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iamlindoro:

It doesn't show up in the menu

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iamlindoro:

it's invoked through the binding

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iamlindoro:

and you need to be using softwware decode and display to use it

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iamlindoro:

meaning not VDPAU

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bcgrown-afk:

ah

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bcgrown-afk:

it used to show up in the menu... 0.22+sw rendering

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iamlindoro:

so use software rendering

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bcgrown-afk:

you overestimate the amount that i care about pip/pbp :)

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sulx:

how come PiP works in my 0.23 setup with vdpau?

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bcgrown-afk:

sulx: pip does, pbp doesn't

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sulx:

or is pbp different thing

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wagnerrp:

eek! hes typing telekinetically!

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sulx:

right

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bcgrown-afk:

wagnerrp: this bluetooth interface to my brain has come in really handy

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bcgrown-afk:

but i have to disconnect for now!

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wagnerrp:

would the bindings be considered 'mythtv' or 'plugins'?

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iamlindoro:

mythtv IMO

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wagnerrp:

chris listed himself under plugins with the perl bindings

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wagnerrp:

meh... doesnt really make any difference

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iamlindoro:

probably worth removing the artificial distinction anway

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iamlindoro:

anyway

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iamlindoro:

I say remove the two headings

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iamlindoro:

especially as many/most of us work on both and having two entires would be wrong

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iamlindoro:

entries

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wagnerrp:

the 'other major contributers' are ones without commit access?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

im also going to move anyone with no commits in... one year? to the inactive roster

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wagnerrp:

bah

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wagnerrp:

you edited it, and theres conflicting edits

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iamlindoro:

Just override mine, I'll re-edit

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wagnerrp:

no need

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wagnerrp:

would this be better in a table? it just looks messy as it is

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iamlindoro:

Probably would, but I doubt anyone looks at it much

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dougt:

this zbox has been quite a time sink.

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dougt:

not sure it is possible to run a myth fe on it.

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bcgrown-away:

are there any plans in the far future to include tivo-like recommendations in mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

requests? sure... plans? not so much

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bcgrown-away:

so there is some demand for it? i obviously don't know much about how mythtv works, but it seems like it wouldn't be overly complicated to interface with one of the existing recommendation sites assuming their TOS allowed it

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wagnerrp:

got any examples?

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bcgrown-away:

of sites?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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bcgrown-away:

there was a couple posted on reddit a while back, i'll see if i can find them

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bcgrown-away:

http://lab.rolisoft.net/tv/

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wagnerrp:

if sites exist that we could interface with, it might be a day or two of hacking to put together a script to do so

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wagnerrp:

maybe a week with someone who knows the UI to make a full (but basic) plugin

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bcgrown-away:

that's the one site, i have no idea if it's set up for that sort of thing

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wagnerrp:

looks promising

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bcgrown-away:

here's another: http://www.jinni.com/

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wagnerrp:

they even have an API

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bcgrown-away:

i'm always going through the listings and thinking about how great it would be if myth could just learn what i like and record that

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bcgrown-away:

mixing the gf's choices and mine would really confuse it though! ha

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wagnerrp:

looks like the second would would violate the 'Use Restrictions' clause of their TOS, subsection 2

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wagnerrp:

you could set up separate recording groups for your, her, and shared content

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wagnerrp:

then just map against yours and the shared

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[R]:

yours and hers mythtv

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[R]:

i think you have an idea there

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bcgrown-away:

i read someone's comment once that said he sets a recording group for his wife's soaps and changes the playback speed to 1.3x so she gets through them faster. joking i think, but pretty funny

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bcgrown:

i'd be willing to help with a recommendation script, but i don't know how much i can do

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bcgrown:

i am learning C. kinda familiar with Bash

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bcgrown:

C++ scares me

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: for that first site, i could probably whip together something in a couple hours

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wagnerrp:

sites that provide APIs are great

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[R]:

is there any gotchas with pvr 150's on ebay? or are all they are supported?

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wagnerrp:

should all be supported

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: where do i send the caffeine pills to get it started?

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[R]:

what analog/digital cards are supported?

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ver:

[R], i'm using pvr150s, and they're the most reliable and fiddle-free cards i've used.

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ver:

one is a kworld brand, the other is i believe geniatech

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bcgrown:

[R]: seconded. i'm using the pvr-usb2, which is a usb-connected pvr150

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[R]:

i said digital

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[R]:

150 is analog only

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ver:

pvr250 or higher

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wagnerrp:

the only card to use for digital and analog is the HVR-1600

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ver:

you mean ATSC?

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[R]:

thats the impression i was getting from ivtv and linuxtv, tahnks wagnerrp

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[R]:

what about usb atsc tuners

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[R]:

from talk in here... it seems like most are crap

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wagnerrp:

HVR-1950

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wagnerrp:

(for digital and analog)

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wagnerrp:

those limitations are simply because i cannot recommend anything other than an IVTV card for analog

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[R]:

what about digital only

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bcgrown:

hvr-1950's analog tuner isn't supported, is it?

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wagnerrp:

im sure theres plenty... not aware of any particular ones off hand

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wagnerrp:

the 1950 shows up as a pvr-usb2

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bcgrown:

ah

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bcgrown:

i must be thinking of the 2250

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wagnerrp:

correct, no linux analog support for the 2250

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wagnerrp:

but thats a pcie device, not usb

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bcgrown:

i think it's bedtime :)

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ver:

HVR950Q still doesn't have atsc support on linux does it?

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wagnerrp:

the 950 isnt good for anything else

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wagnerrp:

its a framegrabber, dont want it for analog

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ver:

works fine on analogue

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[R]:

my dad was like 'i would never record two things at once'

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[R]:

then i tried to explain to him how much my mom would complain if she wanted to record something and he wanted to watch the stupid news

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ver:

i hate your dad so much.

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[R]:

lol

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ver:

nah i had to explain the same thing to my mother in law

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ver:

i made them a mythtv box as a gift last yearish and at the time i got a reaction of a regifted stinky cod, but the next day they couldn't shutup about it, heh

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justinh:

stupid news? tell them not to watch Fox, then :D

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justinh:

heh according to the wiki I've never contributed a bean to mythtv. I CBA to correct that since that isn't going to change anytime soon

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Dibblah:

Eh?

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Dibblah:

Where?

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:MythDevelopers

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justinh:

no need to edit it. I'm happy either way. Just think it's funny

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Dibblah:

5 more months and Chutt goes onto the inactive list. Heh.

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justinh:

well that was frustrating. trying to install CPLD programming software from xilinx – they really seem not to trust anybody

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justinh:

register this, enter all these details, then trudge through a very slow install process. they should be taken out

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TheFrozenSnow:

hmm guess its to early, any one here?

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TheFrozenSnow:

hi

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justinh:

people are here. folk generally don't respond to non-questions though

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TheFrozenSnow:

ic,

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justinh:

so if you have a question related to mythtv, just ask. don't ask to ask :)

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TheFrozenSnow:

its relateing to schedules direct qam andosd schedule but im just thinking of the best way to word it to make since lol

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justinh:

osd schedule?

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oobe:

just a quick question if schloompy was a real word what would it mean?

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justinh:

it would mean I'm in the wrong channel & should quit

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oobe:

oh ok

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oobe:

see theres a word for everything

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TheFrozenSnow:

im trying to add xmltv id's to channels that are from a different source, bcast to digital. in frontend the schedules are not updated to reflect the id of the channel i want it to show

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TheFrozenSnow:

is there more that needs to be adjusted

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justinh:

ruh? you've got more than one '

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justinh:

er.. more than one 'video source' ?

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TheFrozenSnow:

yes

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justinh:

so you should set up a new lineup on SD & use that

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justinh:

you can't mix lineups between video sources

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TheFrozenSnow:

yeah thats the issue

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TheFrozenSnow:

SD doesnt have the line up to reflect the tha channels i have all in 1 source

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justinh:

e.g. if you had OTA & cable, you'd need to set up them both on SD

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TheFrozenSnow:

the cable company added ota and cable to there digital source the info is there but in different lineups

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justinh:

different lineups need different video sources. different video sources need different SD lineups

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justinh:

AFAIK you can set that up easily with SD

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TheFrozenSnow:

your saying i need to set each digital card to a different lineup then?

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TheFrozenSnow:

as in 1 card has cable 1 has ota and 1 with digital

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dewman:

TheFrozenSnow, Thats what I did.....I have 2 tuners, I set one for analog and one for digital in SD, so each time it pulls listings from SD I get both of them populated, then I made a change in the front end so everything was all one big listing in the guide

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TheFrozenSnow:

ok, this is the problem with that for me. the channels added are listed as ex. channel 45 shows as 45_5 on digital side which they dont have any info on at SD

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dewman:

so go make a listing for digital on sd, modify the channels that you know you wont get, then go back into the backend setup, delete all your video sources and re-add. I messed with this on my system for days trying to get this right.... =)

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TheFrozenSnow:

hmm, i guess im translateing the problem wrong, so lets see if this helps. if i created an imaginery channel say 98888 and i want to have this channel show the info for a channnel that exists say channel 2, how would i go about doing this.

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dewman:

TheFrozenSnow, You know....I am not sure how you would do that.

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dewman:

wait,

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dewman:

as long as that channel exists IE you have a xmltvid then you should be able to create the channel call it chan two then map that channel with the xmltvid

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dewman:

maybe?

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TheFrozenSnow:

i tried to add the xmltv id to the channel and that doesnt work, it ignores that data for some reason

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TheFrozenSnow:

like theres more that needs to be changed to make it work right

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dewman:

yeah I am not sure then. You might have to wait until one of the ops show up...

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TheFrozenSnow:

the real problem is its difficult to explane in words lol

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dewman:

I have a pretty stock setup, the wife wont let me make changes that could break the system... =)

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TheFrozenSnow:

yeah if the wife doesnt have american idol to watch im dead meat

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dewman:

lol

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dewman:

I hear ya...

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TheFrozenSnow:

Random quetion, did they make a hulu plugin yet?

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TheFrozenSnow:

i see a bunch of old hacks but nothing official

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dewman:

TheFrozenSnow, I am not sure, tried it once standalone and didnt really care for it.

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TheFrozenSnow:

thanks for trying to help dewman :)

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dewman:

TheFrozenSnow, Your welcome. Sorry I wasnt much help.... =)

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Nidhoegger:

hi, i try to watch DVB-T television. mythtv-setup finds all channels, i run mythfilldatabase after it. now when i try to watch in the frontend, nothing happens. i started through command line and saw: "failed to get pginfo"

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Nidhoegger:

what can that be?

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TheFrozenSnow:

im just guessing at best, but when you start watch tv does it crash?

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Nidhoegger:

no

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Nidhoegger:

it shows "please wait..." for about 5 sec and returns to the main menu

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Nidhoegger:

i created a log of mythtv-setup: http://dpaste.com/192766 one of mythfilldatabase: http://dpaste.com/192768 and one of mythfrontend when starting tv: http://dpaste.com/192769

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Nidhoegger:

hope that this gives more info and sb could helf me

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TheFrozenSnow:

sounds like the setup needs adjusted again

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Nidhoegger:

ive deleted all video cards and readded and rescanned all channels

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TheFrozenSnow:

ill take a look quick

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Nidhoegger:

thank you!

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Nidhoegger:

an idea of mine: can i drop the database mythconverg, delete the .mythtv folder and start over with all settings? would that help?

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iamlindoro:

You pastebinned every log but the relevant one-- mythbackend

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TheFrozenSnow:

it looks like you dont have anywhere to record the tv at

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iamlindoro:

You have misconfigured something on the backend and the backend log will tell you what

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Nidhoegger:

iamlindoro, where will i find it?

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iamlindoro:

wherever you set it up to log, or wherever your packager decided to put it

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iamlindoro:

I'll randomly guess you're using ubuntu

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iamlindoro:

in which case /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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iamlindoro:

Want to see a log from backend startup through an attempt to use TV, not just the last 100 lines

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iamlindoro:

meaning you should truncate the log, restart the backend, try to play TV, and then pastebin the whole thing

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Nidhoegger:

http://dpaste.com/192775

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Nidhoegger:

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