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Sunday, May 9th, 2010, 00:17 UTC

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sphery:

seanthegeek: also, Live TV is deleted immediately if the recording is less than 2 minutes or if space is needed--i.e. you've filled up your hard drive

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sphery:

so you don't have to worry about it fililng

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sphery:

only time you need to worry is if you fill it with recordings whose rules are marked to disallow autoexpire (you should /always/ have some recordings marked to allow auto-expire)

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[R]:

# Total Space: 2,488,713 MB

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[R]:

i don't think i've ever seen that much space outside of education/corporate world

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wagnerrp:

[R]: correct, mythtv stores the storage group and hostname a recording exists on

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wagnerrp:

but does not store the specific folder/disk where the recording is

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wagnerrp:

[R]: '2,488,713MB' is only 2.5TB

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ezzieyguywuf:

so, what are my options as far as frontends for myth, and what are the recommended ones?

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: the ONLY way something like cablecard could be implemented in a general linux system

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cesman:

ezzieyguywuf: mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

is if someone like nvidia put out a version of their proprietary drivers with some sorted of encrypted port

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: wow, picking up where we left off?

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wagnerrp:

you asked while i was away, im responding

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: I appreciate that.

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wagnerrp:

something that would allow the tuner card to pass the content directly into the video card

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wagnerrp:

and the video card taking care of decryption in the shader hardware, and the decoding in the VPU

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ezzieyguywuf:

and I guess the tiVo guys HAVE this, via some sort of contract?

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wagnerrp:

and on top of that, they would have to put in provisions such to make that memory protected, such that you could not access it through the normal APIs

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wagnerrp:

the tivo HD systems have implemented something very similar to that

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wagnerrp:

then they paid boatloads of money to cablelabs to get the system certified

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Dibblah:

The HDPVR guys have hinted that CC is not impossible.

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: we cant recommend frontend hardware unless we know what your intended purpose is

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Dibblah:

HDHR, sorry

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wagnerrp:

Dibblah: not exactly

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wagnerrp:

what we might get out of that is access to the 'copy freely' content

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ezzieyguywuf:

my intended purpose it to watch tv, record shows, and record series on a schedule.

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: but what type of tv

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wagnerrp:

analog? sd? hd? atsc? hdpvr? bluray?

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wagnerrp:

is this a frontend only? does it need hard drives? tuners?

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ezzieyguywuf:

46'' sony lcd tv

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ezzieyguywuf:

hd

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ezzieyguywuf:

I dunno what hdpvr is, and I'll use my ps3 for bluray

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wagnerrp:

output doesnt really matter, its more what type of content it needs to decode

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ezzieyguywuf:

so yes, it must decode hd content.

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ezzieyguywuf:

I dunon what you mean by "is this a frontend only". A backend is needed, no?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv operates on a client/server architecture

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wagnerrp:

the frontend handles playback

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wagnerrp:

the backend handles recording

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wagnerrp:

and they connect through the network

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: ah I gotcha. unless, of course, they are both on the same box.

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wagnerrp:

you can have them on the same machine, you can have them on separate machines

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ezzieyguywuf:

how does that work, streaming hd data over a network. I would imagine it wouldn't work too hot.

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wagnerrp:

you said you wanted a frontend, usually that means you want a dedicated frontend, that would connect to a remote backend

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Guest79819:

my dvico remote isnt working after a suspend

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wagnerrp:

Guest79819: is it USB?

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Guest79819:

yes

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: I'm sorry, I should have been more specific. I jsut want to know what my options are other than mythfrontend, and what the advantages-disadvantges are. it'll be on the same box as the backend.

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: the most you will ever see compressed content is around 5MB/s

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wagnerrp:

even 100mbit ethernet can handle that easily

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wagnerrp:

Guest79819: you may have to issue a device reset

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ezzieyguywuf:

is there quality degradation due to this compression?

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Guest79819:

yes thats what i want to do

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Guest79819:

a reset resume

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: you cannot GET content at higher than around 5MB/s

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Guest79819:

but... I have no idea how

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wagnerrp:

thats the highest bitrate you will find on a bluray disk

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Guest79819:

the device is still present after a suspend in lsusb

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Guest79819:

but irw does not respond

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wagnerrp:

Guest79819: i used to have this small bit of C which would reset whatever device you give it on the command line

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: ah I see. what if I wanted to stream over the internet, say I wasn't at my local network. then it may pose a problem no?

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Guest79819:

oh how I would love that

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wagnerrp:

i used to use it for resetting my MCEUSB after coming out of stanby

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wagnerrp:

but i cant seem to find it right now

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wagnerrp:

last time i looked, it only took a couple minutes of googling

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, that would be so good

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Guest79819:

I have seen the mce reset resume script

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: mythtv will stream to anything with proper access (backend and database) and bandwidth

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ezzieyguywuf:

I see.

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wagnerrp:

most people dont have the internet bandwidth to do so

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wagnerrp:

nor do they want to make their backend and database available over the internet

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ezzieyguywuf:

I'll get this thing up and running then come bug you guys some more.

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, http://pastebin.com/NTXTqEyp

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ezzieyguywuf:

I'll probably be going the two STB two analog capture card route, just fyi.

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wagnerrp:

so back to your requirements... what do you want to playback?

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tank-man:

lol, i remember you could put in some text (that was also in mythweb) and you could find backends thru google

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ezzieyguywuf:

though, the point was for this to be cheaper than getting a hddvr box from my cable provider, and this may end up being more expensive, as I'll be paying for two boxes instead of one...

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, I have 80gb dl a month

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: I want to play back recorded tv shows. some of which will be in hd.

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: contrary to what some people say, MythTV is not a 'bargain' DVR

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: recorded from where?

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: yea. recorded via analog capture

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wagnerrp:

recorded by analog capture, in hd.... so you need an hdpvr

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: what is an hdpvr

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Guest79819:

wag just a quick one with regard to hd playback is a gb switch required to stream from be to fe

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wagnerrp:

which means youre either using VDPAU, or you need somewhere around a 2.5GHz Core2, or 3GHz Athlon64 for software decoding

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wagnerrp:

Guest79819: as mentioned, the most you will EVER see for the highest bitrate content available (bluray) is around 5MB/s

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wagnerrp:

and 100mbit network will handle that perfectly fine

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ezzieyguywuf:

according to /proc/cpuinfo I have 3.06Ghz Pentium 4. will that not work?

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wagnerrp:

digital broadcasts are closer to 2MB/s

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: not even close

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ezzieyguywuf:

:-/ well damn.

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ezzieyguywuf:

why not?

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wagnerrp:

because netburst was a terrible architecture

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ezzieyguywuf:

what is netburst?

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wagnerrp:

P4

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ezzieyguywuf:

I see.

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ezzieyguywuf:

so. I'm screwed then. I got my fiancee in on the "lets do mythtv" bandwagon, but now I'll have to tell her our computer is not powerful enough.

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wagnerrp:

a P4 will be plenty powerful for the 4–6mbps SD mpeg2 an IVTV card will put out

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wagnerrp:

its probably capable of the full 19mbps HD mpeg2 an ATSC tuner will put out

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ezzieyguywuf:

yea. but I want/like hd content

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: so what are you telling me it can't do

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, this is what i thought i read I just wanted to confirm

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, thanks for that

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: read through that, it will explain all the problems with recording from comcast (or any other US cable provider)

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ezzieyguywuf:

ok.

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, //www.mailinglistarchive.com/html/mythtv-users@mythtv.org/2010-02/msg00689.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mailinglistarchive.com/html/mythtv . . . sg00689.html

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: the tuner card and firewire will be putting out mpeg2 at a maximum bitrate of ~19mbps

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, has a reset resume for mce remote

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wagnerrp:

the hdpvr will put out h264 at a maximum of 13.5mbps

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wagnerrp:

the h264 content is vastly more intensive to decode than the mpeg2 content

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ezzieyguywuf:

wtf is a hdpvr man, I dunno what that is.

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wagnerrp:

read the page

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Guest79819:

ezzieyguywuf, If you dont know what a high def personal video recorder why are you here

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wagnerrp:

Guest79819: i was thinking of something more generic

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wagnerrp:

Guest79819: the 'HDPVR' is a specific product, an HD component capture box, connected over USB

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, yes I know id have to modiythat code with things i dont know how to do...

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ezzieyguywuf:

hrm. I'm so confused guys.

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ezzieyguywuf:

I thought that mythv was going to do all my recording

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, ok so they have taken a mnemonic name and called there product that.

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ezzieyguywuf:

btw, /me is still reading the page

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: the page will explain all

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Guest79819:

ezzieyguywuf, arent you lucky

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ezzieyguywuf:

why am I lucky?

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Guest79819:

let me guess the product hdpvr is capable of high def pvr functions

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wagnerrp:

yes, it is capable of recording HD analog content to the connected PC

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wagnerrp:

its an analog capture device

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Guest79819:

ezzieyguywuf, cause your still reading page

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ezzieyguywuf:

lol

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Guest79819:

wag ides on search terms for googling this code to reset resume

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, ideas on search terms for googling this code to reset resume

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Guest79819:

Ill do the searching

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wagnerrp:

this looks right... http://mark.info/?l=linux-usb&m=121459435621262&w=2

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wagnerrp:

i would just put that at the end of my standby script

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wagnerrp:

so when it came out of standby, that was the next function called

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, Server not found

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, cant seem to load page

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wagnerrp:

http://marc.info/?l=linux-usb&m=121459435621262&w=2

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iamlindoro:

"If any theme were created like "your friends" work it would be completely non-functional and therefore of little value to anyone."

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iamlindoro:

Way to miss the point, moron

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iamlindoro:

what a d bag

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, thanks got it!

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, do i put this before or after the esac in my /etc/pm/sleep.d/99lirc-resume.sh

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wagnerrp:

Guest79819: i have no idea what that script might be

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wagnerrp:

you have not specified what distro it came from

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wagnerrp:

and regardless, i dont use that distro

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wagnerrp:

however 'esac' indicated the end of a case statement

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wagnerrp:

s/case/switch/

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, it a smal script to get remote to wake after standby

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Guest79819:

wag ill link you now

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wagnerrp:

thats ok...

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wagnerrp:

youre better asking that question in your specific distro channel

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, http://pastebin.com/Aa11mUJS

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, thats the script many people use with mce remotes etc but usualy add modules to load and unload as well

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wagnerrp:

thats the script many people use on your distro

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wagnerrp:

has nothing to do with anything i use

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wagnerrp:

i cannot advise further

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, thnaks so much for your help!

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Guest79819:

Ill try after the esac

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bcgrown:

Schedules Direct has the listings for 2 of my channels mixed up. Can I just switch their XMLTVIDs to correct the problem for now?

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sphery:

bcgrown: yes, change the xmltvids until SD fixes the listing, then change them back

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sphery:

bcgrown: you may need to do a mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: so you're saying my computer can't decode the h.264 content?

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wagnerrp:

if you havent done so, you may want to file a ticket against SD to inform them of the change

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: no, your computer is perfectly capable of decoding h264 content

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wagnerrp:

im saying your computer cannot decode h264 at the bitrate the HDPVR outputs

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: yep already let them know

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: and that mean swhat exactly.

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wagnerrp:

that your computer cannot play hdpvr content

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wagnerrp:

its about half as fast as it needs to be to play full bitrate content off an hdpvr

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ezzieyguywuf:

so it can decode it, but can't play it?

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wagnerrp:

you can decode h264 just fine

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wagnerrp:

but you can only decode at somewhere around 5–6mbps in realtime

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ezzieyguywuf:

I see.

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ezzieyguywuf:

it would look ishty on the screen

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wagnerrp:

dont correct yourself

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wagnerrp:

vulger language is not allowed in here

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ezzieyguywuf:

sorry.

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wagnerrp:

well you didnt actually say it, so i was just informing

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ezzieyguywuf:

so, hdmyth is out of the question for my setup then?

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** bcgrown is learning about 17th century french clocks by watching "Africa: The Serengeti" **

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wagnerrp:

no, your system will play HD mpeg2 just fine

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: hm. I'm guessing transcoding the h.264 to mpeg2 would be just as computationally intensive as streaming it? maybe even more so?

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wagnerrp:

considerably more so, and mythtv does not have the ability to do that anyway

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: so I wouldn't be able to record hd content via an hdpvr then. I could only watch mpeg 2 hd content that I got from elsewhere?

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ezzieyguywuf:

or that I recorded and then compressed (I'm guessing it's compression) to mpeg 2?

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wagnerrp:

you could watch hd mpeg2 that you got over firewire, or from a digital tuner

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wagnerrp:

that page should have detailed what you could expect to receive over that

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ver:

caveat; vdpau improves decoding performance, is this enough wag?

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: yea, but the digital tuner would only grab unecrypted signals, and from what I read firewire support is still not at 100% based on what STB I have. given my luck, I probably don't get good support :-P

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wagnerrp:

ver: except hes on an ancient p4, probably socket478 one that would have to use a PCI card

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ver:

what is your STB model?

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ver:

oh, well... there's your problem

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ezzieyguywuf:

hm. I've had many misconceptions about what myth can do for me. I thought it would be a viable replacemnte for the hd-dvr I rent for $10/month from my cable company. wagnerrp: its a "Scientific Atlanta Exlporer 8240HDC"

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ver:

bah, nasrac

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ezzieyguywuf:

ah, ver^^ there is my STB model

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ezzieyguywuf:

er, ver ^^

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: it IS a viable replacement, but make no assumptions that it will be a CHEAP viable replacement

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ver:

well, if you use a phenom 9230 or somesuch with 3gb of ram, you can decode several HD streams simultaneously. raid5 8 1TB sata disks together for storage, and you'll blow any DVR out of the water.

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: at the very least, I was hoping that the initial cost would pay for itself over its lifetime, given the $10/month savings. I was obviously wrong.

[01:48:14]

ver:

well if you want high def you pay for it

[01:48:22]

ver:

otherwise you'd have a DCT700 STB

[01:48:34]

ver:

which, if you DID, a p4 would be very capable of handling without issue

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: mythtv offers many advantages over retail DVR systems, price is not one of them

[01:49:05]

ezzieyguywuf:

dunno what a DTC700 is. I'm wondering if I should be so picky about this whole hd thing. I was super stoked about replacing my cable-companie's dvr box with myth

[01:49:20]

bcgrown:

ezzieyguywuf: it's low-end STB

[01:49:25]

ezzieyguywuf:

but sd on my 46'' just doesn't look good to me, at least not coming out of my cable companie's box.

[01:49:38]

ver:

actually i'm playing with some DCT2244s and a DCT6200 and i'm curious if anybody has managed to coerce the mpeg-asi as a mythtv input?

[01:49:59]

ver:

ezzieyguywuf, the brutal truth is that DVR has better specs than your old P4 :/

[01:50:16]

ezzieyguywuf:

:-P I see.

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ezzieyguywuf:

wait, what was the other option wagnerrp? 2 Ghz dual core?

[01:51:08]

ezzieyguywuf:

I got that on my laptop :-P

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ver:

you could optionally invest in a PCI MPEG4 decoder card, if they still make those somewhere, which would effectively banish all CPU overhead invested in decoding it.

[01:51:24]

wagnerrp:

other option?

[01:51:44]

wagnerrp:

you dont want a 'decoder card'

[01:51:53]

ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: you said a while back that I'd need a "dual core" some Ghz or a "64 bit" some other Ghz

[01:51:57]

wagnerrp:

if you want to go the hardware decoder path, you want an nvidia video card

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ezzieyguywuf:

no, I'm fine with a decoder card.

[01:52:28]

ezzieyguywuf:

I think its got a nvidia video card

[01:52:32]

ezzieyguywuf:

yea, pretty sure it does

[01:52:35]

wagnerrp:

to play back HDPVR output in software, you either need a 2.5GHz Core2, or a 3GHz Athlon64

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ezzieyguywuf:

GeForce something or other

[01:52:39]

wagnerrp:

multi-core makes no difference

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bcgrown:

ver: I have a DCT6200 and FireWire output works nearly perfectly for me

[01:52:45]

ver:

do the RIVA/TNT lines support vdpau?

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ezzieyguywuf:

oh, I took "Core2" as dual core. my bad.

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ver:

bcgrown, very nice. have you played with the ethernet interface on these?

[01:53:09]

wagnerrp:

to play back HDPVR output in hardware, you need a Geforce 8000-series or better

[01:53:16]

wagnerrp:

you /can/ get them in PCI form

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bcgrown:

ver: no. As far as I know it's not enabled

[01:53:22]

ezzieyguywuf:

hm. lemme check what I have.

[01:53:28]

wagnerrp:

but youre much better off getting one PCIe or onboard

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ver:

bcgrown, rats, my 6200s don't have firewire on em ;/

[01:53:53]

wagnerrp:

if you need to buy a PCI video card to get VDPAU, its just time to upgrade your computer

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ezzieyguywuf:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV25 [GeForce4 Ti 4200] (rev a3)

[01:54:01]

bcgrown:

the dct6200 would be a great machine if the cable companies used all its capabilities

[01:54:03]

ezzieyguywuf:

I'm guessing that too is too old?

[01:54:07]

bcgrown:

it can be a pvr, cable modem, etc

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bcgrown:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#Supported_Cards

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ver:

cable companies don't disable those interfaces

[01:54:43]

ver:

motorola does

[01:55:18]

bcgrown:

it's a little bit of both i imagine

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ver:

nah i'm a cable guy

[01:55:28]

bcgrown:

ah

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ver:

the boxes are totally programmed from ROVI/Motorola

[01:55:53]

bcgrown:

ver: then why are you asking me aout its outputs? :)

[01:56:10]

ver:

because i have a bunch that i wanna setup on my mythbox of course

[01:56:26]

bcgrown:

"a bunch" nice!

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ver:

well, probably only 3

[01:56:49]

ver:

the other ones i have are old 2244s but they only have composite or modulated outputs

[01:57:03]

ver:

(which are surprisingly good quality, but i'd prefer to retain digital quality)

[01:57:16]

bcgrown:

are the ethernet ports ever used for anything?

[01:57:19]

ver:

but my 6200s are just as lame, they have the red/green/blue plugs

[01:57:48]

ver:

i dunno, but the moto om2000s use them for configuration and can pass the data to multiplexers and things

[01:57:58]

ver:

so i'm curious if there's a way to get the mpeg-ts data out of it

[01:58:19]

ver:

my initial assumption is 'no' due to the drm nature of mediacipher though

[01:58:36]

ver:

but if it works on firewire, then maaaybe...

[01:59:11]

ver:

oh jeez this is a 5100, nevermind. what a piece of trash, how'd this get into my house.

[01:59:28]

** ver burns it, then smashes it with hammers, then puts it in a woodchipper. **

[02:05:27]

bcgrown:

anyone know if i can disable the menus fading in/out when i use opengl for the GUI?

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pyther:

Hi

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pyther:

RingBuf(myth://10.20.1.12:6543/1551_20100508205900.mpg): Waited 2.0 seconds for data to become available...

[02:13:31]

pyther:

does that mean my recording is corrupt?

[02:13:44]

sphery:

no, it means your recording is unavailable

[02:13:50]

pyther:

when trying to seek it says there are 255 hours

[02:13:52]

sphery:

check backend log files--likely a recording issue

[02:14:12]

sphery:

ah, that may be some corruption in it, then

[02:14:20]

sphery:

might want to repair seektable

[02:14:40]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Repairing_the_Seektable

[02:14:47]

pyther:

sadly it was working just fine and then cut out, I was recording while watching :-/

[02:14:50]

sphery:

make sure you do preparation, too

[02:15:00]

sphery:

might also just need to exit/restart

[02:15:25]

pyther:

the frontend?

[02:15:33]

sphery:

no playback

[02:15:44]

pyther:

ahh ok

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sphery:

just exit playback and start again

[02:15:57]

pyther:

that didn't work

[02:16:02]

pyther:

even cloesd out of the frontend

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sphery:

don't know then

[02:16:23]

pyther:

can I run mythcommflag and optimize_mythdb while I have a recording in progress?

[02:16:39]

sphery:

don't do it on the actual recording that's in progress

[02:16:46]

sphery:

but if you do it on another recording, it's probably fine

[02:17:26]

ezzieyguywuf:

is there an alternative to renting a box from my cable-provider? Can I buy one from somewhere else, or is there no guarantee that it would decrpyt the particular encrypted signal that I am getting from my provider?

[02:17:41]

pyther:

ok, it is just really bizare that it was working and the crapped out

[02:20:15]

pyther:

probably not good if I get the waited 2.0 seconds for data to become available while runnig mythcommflag :-/

[02:20:30]

bcgrown:

ezzieyguywuf: it has to be programmed by your cable provider. they may or may not do it for you if you buy a box elsewhere. they also claim that other companies' boxes won't work, but i don't entirely trust them

[02:21:18]

ezzieyguywuf:

bcgrown: ah I see. but assuming I buy the same brand box they gave me, I can take it to my cable provider and have them program it for me?

[02:21:25]

ezzieyguywuf:

well, and same model

[02:21:37]

bcgrown:

ezzieyguywuf: you

[02:21:44]

bcgrown:

ezzieyguywuf: you'd have to ask them that question

[02:22:17]

ezzieyguywuf:

I'm feeling a lot like the first paragraph in http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9793

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bcgrown:

When I go to exit mythtv-setup it tells me "Unable to create file blahlah blah – directory is not writable?" for a couple of my dirs. but these dirs ARE writable, and all owned by user "mythtv," so what's its problem?

[02:23:30]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, any idea how mythbuntu people got MythVideo schema 1033 in their ".23" package? http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-May/288302.html

[02:23:55]

wagnerrp:

no idea

[02:24:19]

bcgrown:

ezzieyguywuf: i don't know how that person managed to take 9 months to set up a mythtv box that didn't work

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, heh, well that's likely to cause all sorts of fun..

[02:25:22]

ezzieyguywuf:

bcgrown: well, I'm only a week in so :-P. and he goes on to say that he had no problem getting myth going for an SD setup, but its hd that gave him all the trouble.

[02:25:58]

bcgrown:

ezzieyguywuf: i've had no problem with HD, really. however if you don't have a firewire output and don't get unencrypted channels, the hdpvr is really your only option

[02:26:05]

bcgrown:

ezzieyguywuf: (for HD)

[02:26:39]

ezzieyguywuf:

yea. well plus apparently my processor isn't powerful enough to stream hd content :-/

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bcgrown:

ezzieyguywuf: that's an easy fix

[02:28:50]

ezzieyguywuf:

bcgrown: lol, get a new computer. easy when you're not on a budget.

[02:28:55]

ezzieyguywuf:

oh yea, or get a hardware decoder

[02:29:03]

bcgrown:

or settle for SD

[02:29:14]

ezzieyguywuf:

yea, but sd looks so bad on my tv

[02:29:31]

bcgrown:

sell hdtv, get free sdtv on craigslist

[02:29:34]

bcgrown:

problem solved :)

[02:29:40]

ezzieyguywuf:

Now, what if sd looks so bad on my tv because of how my box streams it. maybe myth can make it look better. sounds like a long shot.

[02:29:51]

ezzieyguywuf:

oh posh, I'm not gonna do that.

[02:30:00]

bcgrown:

myth won't make sd look any better

[02:32:07]

bcgrown:

worse if anything

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pyther:

sphery: thanks, the mythtranscode command on that wiki page fixed the problem

[02:34:13]

sphery:

pyther: great.

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wagnerrp:

v-sync is handled automatically when using Xv isnt it?

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ezzieyguywuf:

so, wicd-curses says F10 will save my changes, but alls it does it pull up the File menu in my terminal emulator!

[02:45:38]

ezzieyguywuf:

help!

[02:45:46]

ezzieyguywuf:

er, sorry wrong channel

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sphery:

wagnerrp: generally the drivers will handle it

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sphery:

with Xv

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sphery:

AFAIU

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you have the 'flush mythvideo' thread handy?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407793#407793

[02:59:45]

wagnerrp:

thanks

[03:00:06]

sphery:

that's what my Namoroka history is for

[03:00:36]

wagnerrp:

namoroka?

[03:01:06]

sphery:

Firefox 3.6.x when you don't accept the "All-your-Firefox-name-are-belong-to-us" license

[03:01:19]

sphery:

which, incidentally, breaks a surprising number of websites

[03:01:31]

sphery:

(websites developed by clueless developers, that is)

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wagnerrp:

ah, im just building a bookmark folder for this stuff

[03:01:51]

wagnerrp:

my history doesnt last that long

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sphery:

such as www.redbox.com: "XML Parsing Error: not well-formed"

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sphery:

they have invalid XML that they send (XHTML), so, rather than fix it, they simply look for Firefox in the User-Agent string, and if it's there, they send (the proper) HTML content type, instead of (wrongly) claiming to be sending xhtml)

[03:05:02]

sphery:

so, what are they doing wrong: a) xhtml errors, b) claiming to have xhtml-compliant code when they don't (by sending an XHTML content type), c) invalid browser detection (using Firefox, not a proper Mozilla-based detection--which, admittedly, would be about 2000 lines of code), and d) not fixing the issue, but sweeping it under the rug by covering up the symptom

[03:05:23]

sphery:

that said, they are /not/ the only one--as I mentioned, a surprisingly large number of websites do the same

[03:05:41]

sphery:

sorry, just had to vent

[03:05:48]

wagnerrp:

sphery: anyway, i ask as i was responding to that person on the ML who is running too new a mythvideo schema

[03:06:04]

sphery:

especially since Mozilla claims to be the one that wants to "unite" the Web and prevent fragmentation

[03:06:19]

wagnerrp:

technically, they could have simply reverted with a couple commands....

[03:06:21]

sphery:

but they force me to have a broken browser because of their stupid trademark/license

[03:06:25]

wagnerrp:

... but i wasnt going to tell them that

[03:06:40]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[03:07:20]

sphery:

I looked at the update, and I can see the commands that would be required, but because it was not an "ignorable"/idempotent change, I planned to reply the same--with the link to the drop MV schema post

[03:08:13]

wagnerrp:

yeah, you just drop the three unnamed indexes, and drop the schemaver

[03:08:14]

bcgrown:

i had a user job to export recordings to an iPhone suitable format. now that i upgraded to mythbuntu 10.04, ffmpeg doesn't support libfaac anymore?? what can i do?

[03:08:18]

wagnerrp:

four commands

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: use ffmpeg's internal aac encoder?

[03:09:04]

bcgrown:

wagnerrp: hmm i didn't know it had one

[03:09:21]

wagnerrp:

it will decode (some) aac, i assumed it would encode as well

[03:10:37]

wagnerrp:

sphery: you think we can create a 'feature request' type in trac that would auto-close itself?

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, that code is in c

[03:11:09]

wagnerrp:

eh?

[03:11:23]

Guest79819:

wagnerrp, do i need to compile it for linux

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: the results from "ffmpeg -formats" say it has "libfaad," is that an equivalent?

[03:11:34]

wagnerrp:

C wont run until you compile it

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bcgrown:

D A libfaad libfaad AAC (Advanced Audio Codec)

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wagnerrp:

faad is a decoder

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bcgrown:

oh

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, you linked me earlier on about a usb device

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, yeah

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wagnerrp:

correct, if its C, you have to compile it before it will do anything

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, any hints on how to do that?

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wagnerrp:

compile?

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, yes

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wagnerrp:

man cc

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: no encoding available :(

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Guest79819:

cheers

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sphery:

don't they have packages for that

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wagnerrp:

probably 'cc usbreset.c -o usbreset' would do it

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bcgrown:

anyone know if iPhones can play videos that use mp3 audio?

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sphery:

oh, this is not the libfaad question...

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, you are a pure gem!

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, dad@mythfront:/usr/bin$ ./usbreset

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Guest79819:

Usage: usbreset device-filename

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, do i just put usb0

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Guest79819:

or simular

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wagnerrp:

probably the full path

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wagnerrp:

lsusb lists my receiver as bus 004, device 002

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wagnerrp:

so it would be /dev/bus/usb/004/002

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Guest79819:

Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0fe9:9010 DVICO

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Guest79819:

so ill try it thanks

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wagnerrp:

is that the receiver? or your tuner card?

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Guest79819:

receiver

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Guest79819:

tuner card is on BE 30 metres away :D

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wagnerrp:

big house

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Guest79819:

no its in shed

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Guest79819:

big yard

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Guest79819:

cat5 on fence back to house

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wagnerrp:

not buried?

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Guest79819:

sudo ./usbreset /dev/bus/usb/002/003

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Guest79819:

Resetting USB device /dev/bus/usb/002/003

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Guest79819:

Reset successful

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Guest79819:

omg

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Guest79819:

it works

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, nah not buried to far to dig

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, thnakyou so much

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, it works

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Guest79819:

now I only need to work around the sudo

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wagnerrp:

if that command is being run by your init scripts, sudo should be unnecessary

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wagnerrp:

if youre running it manually, you can adjust your udev rules to give your user full rights to that device

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wagnerrp:

and then sudo would be unnecessary

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Guest79819:

could I just call the script from rc.local

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wagnerrp:

if that gets called when you come out of standby

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wagnerrp:

i doubt it does

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Guest79819:

Im not sure If not i can call it from that other scriptrpt

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Guest79819:

I use

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Guest79819:

what country you from wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

US

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Guest79819:

late night

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wagnerrp:

nah, not even midnight

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Guest79819:

thanks very much again hope to see you on here again some time

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Guest79819:

Its 130 pm here in australia

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Guest79819:

sunday

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wagnerrp:

sphery: do you know if 'SELECT <field> WHERE ....' takes considerably longer than 'SELECT COUNT(field) WHERE ....'

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sphery:

don't know

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sphery:

try an EXPLAIN?

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wagnerrp:

in sql

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wagnerrp:

ill just do a count, its only one more line to do it instead

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GregFrost:

hi. Does anyone know of a tool for patching mpeg2 headers to correct the aspect ratio?

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GregFrost:

The MOD files of my JVC everio camcorder are recorded in 16:9, but the aspect flags are not se correctly so myth and mplayer squish them during playback.

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GregFrost:

I can force mplayer to a specific aspect, but I want to use the internal player (because of the deinterlacing).

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wagnerrp:

well i ended up adding 40 lines to one class, but i remove another 70 from another class

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wagnerrp:

so net improvement i guess

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GregFrost:

I have successfully used DVDPatcher on windows but want a Linux solution.

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wagnerrp:

i should probably backup before using this

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wagnerrp:

i fear it has the potential for disaster

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iamlindoro:

f'ing users list with the making me resubscribe

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aliby:

Any idea why my mythbackend is recording shows on the wrong channel? Just started happening tonight. Livetv shows the correct show on the correct channel...

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: lets face it, since you wrote a quarter of the available themes, you no longer have creative control

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Do I get a 25% vote?

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wagnerrp:

sure, the rest of the mythtv users get a (75/50000)% vote

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iamlindoro:

heh

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wagnerrp:

have to be democratic, even weighting

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wagnerrp:

only some 16k people have to vote against you for it to be so

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, I am sure I will catch hell for the response, but someone had to call it like it is

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wagnerrp:

seriously... if people spent all that time bickering about things they have no authority over, and contributed something, imagine where mythtv would be today

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iamlindoro:

agreed

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wagnerrp:

thinking back, i think i actually started contributing after one such discussion

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wagnerrp:

something about complaining that your 'export to mythvideo' patch blocked the UI for 10s to 100s of seconds while waiting for the file move

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wagnerrp:

you saying something along the lines of 'well why dont you fix it'

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[R]:

that's what she said?

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[R]:

haha

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sphery:

aliby: does LiveTV show the correct listings on the correct channel? I.e. did your cable move things around and Schedules Direct doesn't know it, yet

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, amusingly I actually have a pretty simple way of making the UI not block on that if I ever went back to it, but it just seems silly to think of doing so with all the planned changes

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: so youve not had any instances of jamu/miro seizing up after that patch?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, correct, haven't seen it since

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wagnerrp:

ok, im about to do a big block of commits

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wagnerrp:

just wanted to check first

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hvr3:

hi all people, good morning

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hvr3:

i just installed myth 10.04 and have working my hvr3000 under kaffeine, but cant find channels on myth

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sulx:

myth 10.04?

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sulx:

i tough 0.22 is newest...

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hvr3:

mythtv 0.23 under mythbuntu 10.04

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hvr3:

i can tune channels with kaffeine, but with myth i cant tune or import channels.conf

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hvr3:

i cant understand why the card works under kaffeine and not on mythtv

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gbee:

So it seems that there is proof that Linux users are happy to pay a fair price and more generous than Windows users, who'd have thought? This comes from the Humble Indie Bundle offer, where they are offering 5 cross-platform games worth $80 at any price you chose to pay, after 71K people have taken up the offer, the averages per platform stand at Win: $7.18 Mac: $9.73 and Linux: $13.93

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gbee:

so Windows and Mac users are greater freeloaders than Linux users :)

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jarle:

hvr3: try starting mythtv-setup from console and look at the output.

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hvr3:

i think is anything of adapter0, on olders version have to create a simlink and create an adapter1

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AndyCap:

gbee: depends on the product. Ed Hamrick of vuescan has about 2% of the sales on linux. http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?biz.5.497526.21 But i guess that reflects the use of linux on the "desktop" :)

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gbee:

I don't think there's as much demand for a scanning app on linux, there are already lots of free ones which do the job, VueScan probably doesn't offer enough beyond what's already available or features which are only of interests to the professional or keen amateur photographer and they will likely be using something like a Mac anyway

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AndyCap:

2% isn't horrible, and he's still doing the linux version. :)

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gbee:

but IMHO the figures from HLB suggest that if you have the right product, something which isn't available for linux or which is of significant quality then linux users given the choice are quite happy to pay twice as much as Windows users

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oobe:

暂离

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gbee:

"Absence from"

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oobe:

did you just translate it

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oobe:

i didnt know what it meant

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oobe:

i just copied and pasted it

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oobe:

i have 2.1 speakers and if i watch anything in internal player that has 5.1 audio it only plays some sounds usually just the background noise but all the speaking and stuff is left out

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oobe:

so as a work around i re encode the audio

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oobe:

is there a better way

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oobe:

im talking about mythvideo btw

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oobe:

not mythtv recordings

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AndyCap:

oobe: tell your amp you only have 2.1?

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oobe:

this is on my pc it doesn have an amp

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oobe:

i plug the speakers straight in to the pc

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AndyCap:

So something like this? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5351

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oobe:

similar in the sense its only mp4 files with 5.1 sound

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oobe:

but the sound isnt distorted

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oobe:

i can just hear the backgroun music and sound effects

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oobe:

no voice

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oobe:

or echod effect voice

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oobe:

it sounds how is would meant to sound if i had 5.1 with out the back speakers plugged in

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AndyCap:

oobe: I'm not familiar with the setting, but the bug mentions a setting for audio setup?

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oobe:

ok

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oobe:

yea i tried a few things with audio settings

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oobe:

i dont think it would be a common problem

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oobe:

its only some files i have come across

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oobe:

and like i said i have a work around

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gbee:

oobe: that's the google translation, which could be accurate, but probably isn't

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oobe:

oh ok

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AndyCap:

oobe: what's the max audio channels?

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oobe:

I'm not sure what you mean

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oobe:

i have 2.1 speakers

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AndyCap:

in General settings. Audio

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oobe:

and i use sterio in mythtv-setup / general settings

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oobe:

actually i just deleted one of the last files that caused that problem so i have no way of testing

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AndyCap:

meh, the windows clips had wma pro audio.

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Guest11863:

i have dvico remote

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Guest11863:

i cant get it to wake my pc from standby

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Guest11863:

it works prior and after

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Guest11863:

I have enabled the usb port in /proc/acpi/wakeup

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Faithful:

how do i use a subs txt file in the video player?

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ver:

Faithful, the easiest way would be to name it the same as the media file, but with the extension changed to .sub

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Faithful:

and it will pick it up?

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ver:

yeah if you have mplayer setup as the player it should

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Faithful:

oh, no inbuilt...

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Faithful:

how do I turn them on?

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ver:

no clue in that case

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Faithful:

thanks for your help

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bergqvistjl:

hi guys, i'm using mythbuntu x64 Lucid and ive accidentally just deleted all groups in both my normal user and the mythtv user. Can someone (preferably with a clean mythbuntu lucid install), list all the groups in those two users for me please?

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bergqvistjl:

anyone?

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ver:

heh, well... the easiest way would be to reinstall the .deb which provides /etc/group

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bergqvistjl:

no, ive got that, i just need to know which of those groups the mythbuntu install applies to my user and the Mythtv user

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bergqvistjl:

sorry if i worded the initial question badly, basically both my user and the mythtv user are now not members of any groups

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bergqvistjl:

because i accidentally removed both the users from all their groups

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bergqvistjl:

so all id want someone with a clean-ish install of mythbuntu Lucid to just list the groups that they are a member with, and then do the same for the mythtv user as well

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Faithful:

Ok I got subs now... how do I delay them???

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bergqvistjl:

ok well ive decided to just re-install mythbuntu on a spare HHD and note down the groups it adds the users too, and then add them to the other install

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TauPan:

hi... I've discovered that mythtv streams video and music via upnp, but for some reason I can stream the video and audio to a windows 7 box fine, but vlc on linux only sees the video... hm, I guess this is a vlc question after all

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jarle:

Is there some settings in mythweb where I can set the default recording settings for a new recording (I want subtitle then description as default dupe check), or will I have to manually edit the code?

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TauPan:

hm... with djmount I only see playlists in the Music directory but no files like in the Video dirs

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TauPan:

(I use 0.23~rc2–0 from debian)

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GreyFoxx:

Upnp is unfortunately not so universal :/

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TauPan:

I wonder why playing video from linux via upnp works, but music doesn't. mythfrontend of course can play the music, but I can't run mythfrontend on the box in the living room

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jarle:

so how do I change the dupe method from "description" to "subtitle then description" for my recording-rules, guess I need to change record.dupmethod for the entries?

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GreyFoxx:

mythtv itself doesn't use upnp for streaming. The problem you are likely running into is that the clients don't like something in the xml being returned by the music related portion of the upnp code

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GreyFoxx:

taup: There are many exceptions and customizations in parts of the upnmp code to support specific clients

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GreyFoxx:

so I'm never suprised when one and works yet others don't :/

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seanthegeek:

Hello. I have a SA (now Cisco) 83000HD DVR. Assuming the firewire port is fully working can I control the box and use both of its tuners? Would I even need tuner cards?

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Faithful:

Hey where can I find what the keyboard bindings are in mythvideo internal player

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TauPan:

GreyFoxx: can you name a linux console based upnp client that does work?

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TauPan:

hmmkay... now I found a somewhat convoluted combination that works... I can mount the upnp share with djmount and then nvlc can actually play the playlists

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TauPan:

not even mythfrontend can play music from upnp, it seems

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gbee:

mythfrontend doesn't act as a upnp client, MythTV only acts as a upnp server

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clever:

gbee: doesnt it use upnp to find the mysql name/pw/addr at one point?

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gbee:

SSDP, which upnp is based upon but it's not upnp

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gbee:

well the discovery part of upnp utilises SSDP, to be more accurate, but it's the bit which comes after the discovery that defines upnp

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clever:

ah

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drindt:

i have this problem here: http://pastebin.com/6NJzS2SP client takes a lot of time to display data from backend... someone can please help me with that?

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wagnerrp:

seanthegeek: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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wagnerrp:

TauPan: yes, you could use a client such as djmount to mount a upnp path, at which point you could use that content in MythVideo with browse mode

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wagnerrp:

oh, seems you found djmount, nevermind

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seanthegeek:

wgnerrp: Do you know if the Hauppauge HD-PVR can cake advantage of multi tuners on an STB?

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wagnerrp:

seanthegeek: one HDPVR can record one analog stream

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wagnerrp:

i have only ever heard of one or two satellite receivers that are actually capable of playing back more than one stream at a time anyway

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wagnerrp:

never any for cable

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wagnerrp:

they may have multiple tuners for DVR purposes, but they only ever output one video strea

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wagnerrp:

m

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seanthegeek:

wgnerrp: ah, are the IR drivers included in the kernel by now?

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wagnerrp:

dont know

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wagnerrp:

if youve got firewire access to your STB, there is no need for IR

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wagnerrp:

just use firewire to change the channels

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lvdave:

hi! I've just installed mythtv on ubuntu 10.04, all the v4l2-ish drivers seem to be loaded, but I can't seem to get any /dev device.. I've done the lspci thing, created a udev rule, it seems to run but no /dev/video0 or whatever it calls it.. The tuner card is Hauppauge PVR150..

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt have to make udev rules, or mess with drivers, or do ANYTHING for a PVR-150

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wagnerrp:

ubuntu should just automatically detect it and do whatever is needed to set it up

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lvdave:

hmm.. so there *should* a /dev/video0 there? I assume thats what I put into the capturecard config?

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wagnerrp:

is there no /dev/video0?

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lvdave:

no there isnt

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wagnerrp:

is the device showing up in lspci at all? should be an entry for a CX23416

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lvdave:

lspci shows a Conexant Systems Inc. CX23885 PCI Video and Audio controller..

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wagnerrp:

that is not a PVR-150

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wagnerrp:

that chip is used for pci-express, which the 150s are certainly not

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lvdave:

thats weird.. I bought the card at frys and it was listed as a hauppauge pvr150.. now it *does* have a 1 lane pciexpress

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lvdave:

now it *was* in a whitebox OEM version I believe..

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wagnerrp:

could you run 'lspci -vvv' and pastebin the result?

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wagnerrp:

just past the URL to the page in here

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lvdave:

ok

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lvdave:

http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/RKFsMfn3

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wagnerrp:

ok, look at the box again

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wagnerrp:

are you sure it doesnt say 'HVR-1250'?

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wagnerrp:

because thats what card you have installed

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lvdave:

Ok... As I said it was an OEM "systembuilder" type.. Guess frys miss-marked it.. is it better or worse than a PVR150?

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wagnerrp:

neither

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wagnerrp:

the PVR150 is a hardware mpeg2 encoder for analog capture

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lvdave:

does it work with mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

the HVR1250 is a digital tuner for ATSC/QAM

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wagnerrp:

theyre for two completely different purposes

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wagnerrp:

they dont compete with each other to be better/worse

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lvdave:

ner also

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lvdave:

It works fine in Win7 media center on my analog cable connection.

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wagnerrp:

sure, it has an analog framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

but you dont want to use a framegrabber for recording anyway

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wagnerrp:

and besides, there is no linux support for the framegrabber

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lvdave:

ok thanks for your help...

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wagnerrp:

you cannot purchase PVR-150s retail

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wagnerrp:

if you need analog recording, you want a 150, or some other IVTV card

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wagnerrp:

the 150 and 500 are typically only available second hand, ebay, craigslist

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wagnerrp:

or you can purchase a (much more expensive) new 1600

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lvdave:

think I'll go with ebay/craigs.. expensive is not good right now..

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wagnerrp:

$20-$25 is a decent price for a 150

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wagnerrp:

or double that for a (dual tuner) 500

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lvdave:

thats certainly doable...

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wagnerrp:

that 1250 was probably in the $40-$50 range?

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lvdave:

yes

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wagnerrp:

you should have no trouble returning that for a full refund since it was mislabele

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wagnerrp:

d

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lvdave:

well.. I've had it for about a year.. been using it on Vista/Win7.. I decided to try Ubuntu 10.04 when it came out..

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wagnerrp:

oh

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wagnerrp:

that 1250 should work great for digital tv

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wagnerrp:

just hook up an antenna and youre set

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lvdave:

I may try that!!

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lvdave:

Thanks for your advice... gotta run..

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KjetilK:

does anyone here have experience with a Cideko Air Keyboard with MythTV?

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wagnerrp:

expecting it to be different from any other keyboard?

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wagnerrp:

or more if the multimedia buttons can be used?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: great, now I have to do the orphan changes...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: :P

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wagnerrp:

hey, you said it first on the wiki, and in the mailing list, and on the IRC channel, and....

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Beirdo:

woohoo. Caddy Shack on TV

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Beirdo:

be the one and only time I watch the Golf Channel, I think

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wagnerrp:

the first one? or the abomination?

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KjetilK:

wagnerrp, about the keyboard (I had to run shortly after I posted the message), yeah, I was hoping that the multimedia buttons work, and if they map easily to some key, it should be pretty nice, I would think...

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wagnerrp:

KjetilK: usually all that stuff works with special HID scan codes

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wagnerrp:

so there is little difference between one keyboard and the next, besides which of those it supports

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wagnerrp:

how you actually get those to work with mythtv, i couldnt tell you

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KjetilK:

right

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iamlindoro:

Yay, another piece of metadata to go input for a couple hundred movies at TMDB

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iamlindoro:

There should be a rule where if I implement a new piece of metadata in Myth, I don't have to edit my own movies ;)

[19:25:51]

KjetilK:

it seems it is explicitly supported by Linux, but not the multimedia keys

[19:26:03]

wagnerrp:

yeah, ive got to tweak the bindings for that new field

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KjetilK:

are there any other similar keyboards I should consider buying instead?

[19:26:38]

wagnerrp:

most people dont use keyboards with mythtv

[19:28:06]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: got any example movies of what returns tags?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, The Hangover, Sin city, Wall-e

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wagnerrp:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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** Beirdo shakes his fist at his virtualbox setup **

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wagnerrp:

just need to update the dictionary translating from grabber fields to database fields

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Beirdo:

why won't this work, dangit

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Beirdo:

libtool snafu

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wagnerrp:

oh, you did list an example right there in the commit

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wagnerrp:

!trout wagnerrp READ THE COMMITS

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** MythLogBot slaps wagnerrp with a READ THE COMMITS trout on behalf of wagnerrp... **

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KjetilK:

wagnerrp, yeah, I've used an MS remote so far, and it does the job, but I can see myself using mythbrowser more with a keyboard, and it also taking more interesting directions if at some point, I can navigate more metadata... :-)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: couple other things looking at cleanup...

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wagnerrp:

any reason to keep mythplugins/mythvideo/videodb around?

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wagnerrp:

and would you like mythplugins/mythvideo/contrib/videometadata moved to the wiki and/or rewritten with the python bindings?

[19:42:04]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, That's one of several files that could probably go

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Last time I did cleanup/ripout I must have found a reason to kepp them for the moment, but let me have another look later and if I can't throw something away outright, I'll let you know re: bindings

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wagnerrp:

as far as i can tell, it just pulls all content within a certain folder and marks it as 'adult content' or whatever

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

It's probably fine, just let me get through getting all these movies edited and I'll have another look

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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wagnerrp:

oh, it generated thumbnails for your videos, i guess it only works on content thats level 4?

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iamlindoro:

It might have done, but it predates the screenshot column so it may need to be rewritten outright

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wagnerrp:

yeah, it uses coverfile

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wagnerrp:

ooh... i could make this really nice

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wagnerrp:

find any files with no screenshot listed

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wagnerrp:

play some games with the backend to get the full path

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wagnerrp:

issue a preview request to the backend with the file path

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wagnerrp:

pull the new image, and dump into the screenshots folder

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wagnerrp:

delete the old location

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wagnerrp:

update the database

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Beirdo:

urgh

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Beirdo:

why must it be politics time in PA when I'm here?

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gbee:

stop adding metadata to mythvideo! I've now got to re-arrange Terra's edit metadata screen and find room for it :/

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iamlindoro:

it's optional :P

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iamlindoro:

Terra's edit metadata screen is already missing a half dozen widgets as it is

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[R]:

does anyone else think widget is one of the coolest words ever?

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gbee:

Beirdo: Pennsylvania, Pulse Audio, Port Authority, Panama?

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Beirdo:

Pennsylvania... seems a local election is soon

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Beirdo:

I'm in Philly for another week.

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Beirdo:

or most of it anyways

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Beirdo:

ahh, libtool issue gone

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Beirdo:

had to autoreconf :)

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iamlindoro:

Blah, can't do any more of these taglines today-- I have to correct as many as I have to add.

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gbee:

I did a few the other day

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dustintheweb:

I'm looking to build a mythTV backend box that also doubles as a general NAS at the home, is anybody else doing this from the same box?

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[R]:

dustintheweb: i think maybe you're the first one to ever think of that

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[R]:

:)

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dustintheweb:

your kidding me right?

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iamlindoro:

dustintheweb, Yes, he's kidding you-- he's teasing you because probably 90% of myth users use their systems as network attached storage in some fashion

[20:36:58]

iamlindoro:

dustintheweb, So it's like asking, "Hey, I was thinking about exchanging oxygen for carbon dioxide, anyone else doing this?"

[20:37:17]

iamlindoro:

So we're saying it might be productive to ask a more specific question

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: you're smart... what's the incantation to preload LD path again? :) I think I need less beer, kill fewer brain cells.

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dustintheweb:

lol ok, fail on me then. What rabbit hole should I go down then? is there a best practice that someone suggests?

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iamlindoro:

dustintheweb, That's still kind of vague-- what is it you want to know?

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, LD_LIBRARY_PATH= I think

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Beirdo:

thanks :)

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iamlindoro:

np

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Beirdo:

not sure how that fell outta my head

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iamlindoro:

Beer is slippery

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dustintheweb:

I would like to know the best (as in most common) setup for making a mythTV backend box double as an @ home NAS

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Beirdo:

yeah, that must be it

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[R]:

dustintheweb: the 2 are completely independent have nothing to do with each other

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iamlindoro:

dustintheweb, There is no such thing-- the two functionalities are divorced from one another-- Myth performs one function, the core SAMBA/NFS/whatever functionalities of the OS provide the other

[20:41:58]

dustintheweb:

my NAS uses would be file storage & backup

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dustintheweb:

ok, so if I install mythTV backend on a box, does it have to be dedicated to that task?

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iamlindoro:

No

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[R]:

the magic of linux

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[R]:

it supports multitasking

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[R]:

isn't that awesome?

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dustintheweb:

very

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dustintheweb:

what do most people do to accomplish this?

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dustintheweb:

the multi tasking of Myth & NAS

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[R]:

run mythbackend

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[R]:

and run nfs and/or samba

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iamlindoro:

dustintheweb, There's nothing to do-- I take it from the questions that you may be a new linux user?

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dustintheweb:

I am a newb with a capital EWB

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iamlindoro:

dustintheweb, It's like asking how to run Microsoft Office and share printers on windows at the same time

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iamlindoro:

There's no special interaction for multiple services to run on a given linux box-- you set up myth, you set up file sharing, and you're done

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dustintheweb:

ok, makes sense – I just wanted to make sure it was possible. I was under the impression that a myth backend box had to be dedicated to that purpose

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iamlindoro:

nope, not at all

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dustintheweb:

is there any downsides to running those two types of tasks at the same time? can they interfere w/ each other (netwrok bogdown, etc)?

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pyther:

hi

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pyther:

is it possible to enable dpms

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AndyCap:

Beirdo: there's LD_PRELOAD too if you want to load one lib first. (man ld.so)

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pyther:

mythfrontend disables it, and if you kill mythfrontend it won't reenable it

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iamlindoro:

dustintheweb, If you are maxing out disk IO, or CPU, or network bandwidth, sure

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[R]:

pyther: xset... and why are you killing mythfrotnnend

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iamlindoro:

dustintheweb, but myth is going to use relatively trivial amounts of network bandwitch and on any modern system the liklihood of that actually happening is fairly slim

[20:48:04]

iamlindoro:

er bandwidth

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pyther:

[R]: thanks, because it was hanging

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pyther:

I think the seek time stuff in the db is all messed up :-/

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pyther:

I have to see what happen with the next few recordings

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pyther:

I had an power outage the other day while myth was recording a show

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dustintheweb:

what makes nfs better/worse than samba?

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[R]:

dustintheweb: its a real filesystem vs a microsoft hack

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dustintheweb:

which one is the hack, samba?

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[R]:

samvba

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dustintheweb:

do most people go nfs?

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[R]:

depends on what they want to do

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[R]:

and how lazy they are

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iamlindoro:

dustintheweb, If you need to share with windows systems, you will likely want to use Samba. If you only intend to share with linux systems, you will probably want NFS. Each has its advantages

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dustintheweb:

ah, so is it fair to say that samba is the more flexible approach?

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[R]:

you can so nfs from windows

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[R]:

i.e.

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[R]:

[01:50:31] [R] and how lazy they are

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iamlindoro:

no, not really, NFS has a great deal more flexibility in certain ways

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iamlindoro:

I would only explicitly suggest Samba for use if you need to share it with windows and windows-sharing-compatible devices

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dustintheweb:

I have mostly windows machines in the home, but if NFS will work with the windows boxes, I'll go with it – are you saying it won't work at all w/ windows, or that its just not as easy

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iamlindoro:

It is possible to mount NFS shares in windows

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dustintheweb:

by the sound of it though, it's not that easy

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iamlindoro:

These are not particularly topical in this channel, though, it might be best to ask these questions in the channel of whatever distro you are running

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dustintheweb:

what distro is mythTV based on?

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iamlindoro:

mythtv isn't based on a distro

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iamlindoro:

It sounds like it might be the right time to look up what MythTV actually is before going further ;)

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iamlindoro:

MythTV is a suite of applications, not a distribution/OS/what have you

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dustintheweb:

lol, I've been following mythtv for years now – never dug down into it until now though

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dustintheweb:

oh nice

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dustintheweb:

so it can be used independent of a linux distro

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dustintheweb:

specifically

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dustintheweb:

so lets say I install FreeNAS on a box, are you saying Myth will play nice w/ that?

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[R]:

myth doesnt care about other things you install

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dustintheweb:

if that is the case, what distro do most people install myth onto?

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[R]:

whatever distro they like

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dustintheweb:

is there a favorite in the community?

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[R]:

all of them

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dustintheweb:

you have been helpful, thanks for answering the questions.

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dustintheweb:

I'll learn more & come back w/ more later

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c00p:

Hi, I am trying to work out the best hardware to use for a mythubuntu box to capture video from my Satalite TV box so I can stream it around my house ...

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c00p:

anyone got any good reccomendations or articles / tutorials online I could read?

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RobertLaptop:

I have a diff mythubuntu question. I have been running mythubuntu for some time but had a lot of problems when I upgraded to .21 so I kinda skipped .22 but now I am having hardware problems and bought a new system so now I have to upgrade. Are then any know issues with the latest using PVR-150 specifically lirc_i2c?

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Cervera:

Hey, i need a bit of help. i think something's wrong with my db, fresh installation now

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Cervera:

i recieve an error while trying to watch livetv

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tank-man:

do we have to guess at the error message? :)

[21:27:07]

Cervera:

writes: MythTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?

[21:27:18]

Cervera:

no, it just takes time to type

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Cervera:

and the log: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/X6xBH4a7

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Cervera:

(backend)

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tank-man:

did you add an input during initial setup?

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Cervera:

yeah, worked on previous installation (that was my first test) untill i tucked up too many things

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Cervera:

(including dropping the database)

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tank-man:

did you add an input for the current installation during initial setup?

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Cervera:

tank-man: yes

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tank-man:

did you scan for channels? (if needed)

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Cervera:

oh, and that error is only after restart. if i "sudo restart mythtv-backend" the message dissapears, but still livetv drops back to menu

[21:31:34]

Cervera:

yes. scan was okay

[21:32:42]

tank-man:

what kind of video capture device do you have? the log says /dev/video0 doesnt exist

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tank-man:

"Permission denied"

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tank-man:

what are the permissions on that file?

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Cervera:

pvr-150

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Cervera:

hauppage

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Cervera:

log after backend restart (same computer, sone by sudo): http://mythtv.pastebin.com/c0Wv99UV

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Cervera:

done ^^

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tank-man:

do you know how to check the permissions on a file?

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tank-man:

access permissions

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Cervera:

yeah

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tank-man:

are they read and write for the user?

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Cervera:

which files?

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tank-man:

what ever the backend is run as i think

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tank-man:

the /dev/video0 file

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Cervera:

no reason why they shouldn't, fresh mythbuntu installation. no self compiling

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Cervera:

but i'll check\

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Cervera:

wait, chmod is for changing, how can i view attributes?

[21:40:18]

bjd:

ls

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bjd:

man ls

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tank-man:

"ls -l /dev/video0"

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Cervera:

-l, i'll check

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Cervera:

crw-rw----+ it's okay

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tank-man:

these are the 2 lines that look like the problem in your log: #

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tank-man:

2010-05–10 00:12:49.508 Channel(/dev/video0)::Open(): Can't open video device, error "Permission denied" and 2010-05–10 00:12:49.516 MythBackend, Error: No valid capture cards are defined in the database.

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Cervera:

tell me, in the capture cards there's a line for "default input"

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Cervera:

what does it matter, if you later edit each input?

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tank-man:

where is that? in mythtv-setup ?

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Cervera:

wait, i think i found something:

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Cervera:

external tuning program exited with error 127

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Cervera:

maybe the IRblaster script?

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Cervera:

cause the input is composite – no tuning program

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tank-man:

im not familiar with ir blaster setups

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Cervera:

lemme try the script manually

[21:49:31]

Nidhoegger:

hi, small question: ive installed mythtv on my gentoo machine, now i have a new user: mythtv. he is blocking the video cards, but i want to run mythtv as user "user" can i change it so the mythtv user isnt blocking the devices?

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tank-man:

Nidhoegger, blocking the video cards how

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Nidhoegger:

if i try to scan for channels as normal user, i get the console output device or ressource busy, so i lsof it to see whats using the device -> user mythtv

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Cervera:

WOW WOW WOW – i'm VERY stupid! i gave the wrong path to the blaster script

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Cervera:

that's it

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Nidhoegger:

for me, if mythbackend is stopped, no one uses the dvb device, if i start it, mythtv users sits on it and i cant watch tv, even when im logged in as mythtv

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tank-man:

Nidhoegger, how are you starting mythbackend?

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Nidhoegger:

initscript

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Nidhoegger:

/etc/init.d/mythbackend

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gbee:

enable 'open on demand' and disable eit scanning

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Nidhoegger:

where do i set this? mythtv-setup? i just can set timeouts for EIT

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Nidhoegger:

working

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Nidhoegger:

thank yozu

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cleith:

Hello

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cleith:

Anyone here have mythtv (frontend and backend) playing nicely with gnome-power-manager, specifically, suspend after a defined time?

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cleith:

Had my machine suspend in the middle of a recording the other day.

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Nidhoegger:

how can i tell mythtv to use PAL-BG standart with analog cards?=

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cleith:

Nobody around today?

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ctmjr:

Hi i was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction am running release-0-23-rc1 and the problem is my program guide list the channel lineup in an erratic manner it list channels 4, 24, 67.... in myth-setup i set it to list channels by number, but it does not help am getting my line up from schedules direct and scte65scan to map the channels

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cleith:

Bye

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iamlindoro:

ctmjr, In Utilities/Setup->Setup->Tv Settings->program Guide, what is the channel ordering?

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iamlindoro:

(from the frontend)

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ctmjr:

iamlindoro, looking now

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ctmjr:

iamlindoro, thank you that was it it was listing channel icons switched it to channel numbers

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iamlindoro:

np

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jolaren:

I'm havin problems with MythWeb.. It "dissapears" from the web once and a while

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squish102:

what is the best way to move the HD channels up the recording priority?

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