| Thursday, April 29th, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:57] | ** wagnerrp starts updating mythfs for event handling ** | |
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| [00:21:44] | sphery: | iamlindoro: well, if you hadn't dropped support for PVR-350 decoder, I /would/ be able to upgrade, but since I refuse to upgrade my hardware to a Pentium II or better, I have to stick with 0.21-fixes |
| [00:22:07] | wagnerrp: | s/II/III/ |
| [00:22:14] | sphery: | so you have to continue to support it forever |
| [00:22:18] | wagnerrp: | a 2 wouldnt do std-def mpeg2 would it? |
| [00:22:29] | sphery: | we could ask clever :) |
| [00:22:40] | sphery: | though I think he's using it for a backend and mysql server |
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| [01:02:49] | TUplink: | not really a mythtv question..... but how can i make a regular user able to shutdown |
| [01:02:58] | TUplink: | the system |
| [01:03:50] | skd5aner: | great, I can't tune NBC via QAM for some reason now... it's there, but I'm getting 0 byte files, even after rescanning :P |
| [01:03:57] | skd5aner: | I hate cable cos |
| [01:06:41] | sphery: | TUplink: sudo? |
| [01:07:39] | TUplink: | um..... no i need it as a command without a password to shutdown |
| [01:08:45] | sphery: | um.... you can set up sudo to allow a specific user to run a specific command without a password |
| [01:09:37] | sphery: | man sudoers |
| [01:09:52] | TUplink: | thats what im looking at |
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| [01:35:36] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i just cant compete... it takes me a good 70 minutes to get things closed |
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| [01:42:00] | wagnerrp: | and then when i do, i blow it |
| [01:43:07] | wagnerrp: | and then reference the wrong ticket on the fix |
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| [01:48:35] | iamlindoro: | ikaruga1234, It was not being maintained, and no, there is no replacement |
| [01:48:50] | ikaruga1234: | iamlindoro: noooooo |
| [01:48:52] | sphery: | mythbrowser |
| [01:48:54] | iamlindoro: | all it did was queue management anyway |
| [01:49:00] | sphery: | + http://www.netflix.com/ |
| [01:49:03] | iamlindoro: | it wasn't a netflix streaming plugin or anything |
| [01:49:06] | wagnerrp: | ikaruga1234: the mythflix plugin did not do what you probably think it did |
| [01:49:07] | ikaruga1234: | ahh |
| [01:49:12] | wagnerrp: | it was fairly basic |
| [01:49:23] | ikaruga1234: | don't feel so bad now |
| [01:49:28] | sphery: | can't do streaming unless you're on Windows, right? |
| [01:49:32] | iamlindoro: | right |
| [01:49:35] | ikaruga1234: | sphery: have no clue |
| [01:49:45] | ikaruga1234: | haven't actually used netflix |
| [01:49:54] | wagnerrp: | ikaruga1234: netflix streaming requires SilverLight with a functional DRM stack |
| [01:50:06] | sphery: | If you want a Netflix streaming player, look for a Roku or something |
| [01:50:06] | wagnerrp: | which means the Moonlight available on linux doesnt cut it |
| [01:50:34] | ikaruga1234: | sphery: i heard about Roku's .... do they really sell for under $100? |
| [01:50:53] | wagnerrp: | remember, open source breaks DRM, and murders kittens |
| [01:50:56] | sphery: | or an XBox 360 or PS3 or ... |
| [01:51:17] | ikaruga1234: | or i could just put virtualbox to use |
| [01:51:39] | wagnerrp: | or just wait for them in the mail like the rest of us |
| [01:51:50] | ikaruga1234: | mail never worked for me |
| [01:51:52] | sphery: | I think for virtualbox, you'd only be able to run MS Windows with the program that re-streams the netflix stream |
| [01:51:54] | ikaruga1234: | they always got stolen |
| [01:52:01] | sphery: | as the video in the VM would be challenging |
| [01:52:22] | ikaruga1234: | video runs fine in the VM |
| [01:52:22] | ** mag0o likes the wii streaming via wireless ** | |
| [01:52:33] | sphery: | ikaruga1234: http://shop.roku.com/Roku-Digital-Video-Player-Options-W5.aspx |
| [01:52:51] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i question the legitimacy of those upnp streaming programs like that |
| [01:53:16] | ikaruga1234: | sphery awesome ... <start drooling> |
| [01:53:27] | wagnerrp: | i doubt theyre authorized, im surprised netflix hasnt gone after them |
| [01:53:43] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, seems it's defeating the whole point of their DRM |
| [01:53:58] | wagnerrp: | and they even charge for it |
| [01:53:59] | ikaruga1234: | sphery: wagnerrp: what is? Not the roku? |
| [01:54:08] | sphery: | no, the re-streamers are |
| [01:54:11] | wagnerrp: | roku is licensed, im talking about stuff like playon |
| [01:54:38] | ikaruga1234: | are there any re-streamers for linux? |
| [01:54:50] | sphery: | ah, that's what it's called |
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| [01:55:34] | ikaruga1234: | sphery: oooh, it even supports hulu |
| [01:55:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, now it does Hulu, Netflix, YouTube, Amazon VOD |
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| [01:56:04] | wagnerrp: | ikaruga1234: sure, but it doesnt work with mythtv anyway |
| [01:56:08] | sphery: | seems they could all get together and sue PlayOn |
| [01:56:09] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not have a upnp client |
| [01:56:23] | sphery: | I think he means the Roku Player |
| [01:56:53] | ikaruga1234: | i meant playon |
| [01:57:04] | sphery: | oh, yeah, that's the one that should be sued out of existence |
| [01:57:18] | ikaruga1234: | probably not worth the $40 then |
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| [01:57:58] | iamlindoro: | you're welcome |
| [01:58:20] | wagnerrp: | im surprised playon didnt get taken out of hulu at the same time boxee did |
| [01:58:27] | sphery: | well, seems Roku does Netflix Amazon VOD, MLB, NBA, Pandora (with blue people?), Facebook |
| [01:59:08] | sphery: | I have an Amazon VOD movie that I've never watched... Since you have to have Windows to watch it |
| [01:59:27] | sphery: | (was a free movie I got from Amazon when they intro'ed the service) |
| [02:00:10] | oblib: | Has anyone seen this before? My frontend reports that I have no scheduled recordings, but I can see all the entries in the database still. If I add a new recording, it still says I haven't added it. What's going on? |
| [02:00:58] | sphery: | either a) you're not actually scheduling correctly or b) your input connections are misconfigured and MythTV is unable to actually record any of your shows |
| [02:01:09] | oblib: | I've tried restoring the database from a known working date and that didn't help. |
| [02:01:10] | sphery: | to fix the latter: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [02:01:20] | oblib: | Hmm, the inputs... |
| [02:02:17] | oblib: | Hah, my dvb devices are missing entirely. That's what I get for messing around with my linux-tv drivers... |
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| [02:06:55] | iamlindoro: | you're welcome too |
| [02:07:18] | [R]: | lol |
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| [03:17:46] | wagnerrp: | so for 8390, why doesnt the author just update the file on his page, and tell the reporter to get a new copy? |
| [03:18:01] | wagnerrp: | he wrote it, he runs the webpage, he can do such things |
| [03:18:36] | ** wagnerrp would like to apologize for thinking rationally ** | |
| [03:19:52] | iamlindoro: | That was definitely your first mistake |
| [03:24:35] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch, Could the deblocking filter be disabled for commflag decode? |
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| [03:25:09] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: who told you you were supposed to think? :) |
| [03:25:35] | Beirdo: | Oooh, Cliff Lee is supposed to be off the DL Friday?! :) |
| [03:25:38] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i apologize, it just happens, i cant help it |
| [03:26:01] | wagnerrp: | it just... popped into my head |
| [03:26:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | don't know much about it. probably so. anything to speed up decode would help probably. we only sample a grid of pixels in the frame, like a grid of points that are 6 or 8 rows/columns apart when flagging HD material. |
| [03:26:39] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch, I'm taking a look, it seems the patch should be trivial with a fairly decent performance gain-- but there may be accuracy penalties |
| [03:27:37] | wagnerrp: | i tried to think of something, so fluffy and delicious, theres no way it could ever hurt us |
| [03:28:11] | ** wagnerrp has gone by by Egon ** | |
| [03:28:55] | wagnerrp: | seems 'Ray' is already in use |
| [03:29:01] | wagnerrp: | dirty bastard, stole my name |
| [03:29:04] | iamlindoro: | David Tennant as Hamlet, tonight and for the next few days on PBS |
| [03:29:08] | iamlindoro: | figured some of you might enjoy |
| [03:29:22] | wagnerrp: | he the previous doctor? |
| [03:29:22] | iamlindoro: | Patrick Stewart as the King, too |
| [03:29:25] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [03:33:19] | tank-man: | 30mins too late ... :) |
| [03:33:37] | iamlindoro: | tank-man, repeated on most PBS statsions for the next week or so |
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| [03:33:41] | iamlindoro: | stations |
| [03:33:48] | tank-man: | oh i see |
| [03:34:06] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch, I just looked at Daniel's patch from last year, which sets deblocking to it's lowest level-- faster even than the one we offer in the UI |
| [03:34:15] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch, so better to make his patch work, probably |
| [03:35:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | I've only glanced at it. I can see how it might have accuracy issues. it looks like it's only doing 1/4 resolution, is that correct? not sure how my vertical and horizontal spacing would work with that. |
| [03:36:38] | iamlindoro: | 1/4 res on MPEG-2, deblocking completely off for H.264 |
| [03:37:15] | wagnerrp: | all mpeg2? or just HD? |
| [03:37:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | one of the idea with multithreaded flagging was to have multiple decoders each working on a different part of the file. another idea was just a single decoder but with multiple workers each analyzing different frames, then a master who took the various bits of info and applied some logic. |
| [03:37:18] | iamlindoro: | so yeah, both would probably have accuracy problems-- probably both on scene change detection for H.264 and logo detection (I would imagine) for MPEG-2 |
| [03:37:46] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, All MPEG-2 |
| [03:39:58] | sphery: | just gotta wait for ffmpeg-mt :) |
| [03:40:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | for that myth_system() issue in that ticket, I think there's a 2-fold fix. both will be in my mythcontext patch. one is resolved by sending an event from myth_system instead of calling the mythmainwindow method directly. the other is that in myth_system(), we shouldn't block anything if we're not in the UI thread. ie, if this myth_system is spawned in another thread other than the UI thread, we shouldn't block the UI or L |
| [03:40:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | IRC or the joystick. |
| [03:41:13] | iamlindoro: | I myself have never needed a faster commflagger, but I'm one of those jack-a's who buys real computers |
| [03:41:27] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro++ |
| [03:42:43] | sphery: | and I have an Athlon XP 2000+ doing commflagging for me, but since I never watch anything until a year later... |
| [03:42:59] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, my current backend is on a 5yr old CPU, and is the lowest clockrate amd64 commonly available |
| [03:43:10] | wagnerrp: | i can still do my ATSC recordings in real time |
| [03:43:30] | sphery: | yeah, ATSC isn't too hard--my AXP 2000+ does it in just under 2:1 time for the toughest shows |
| [03:43:43] | wagnerrp: | no, 6yr old, i bought it january of '05 |
| [03:44:03] | Beirdo: | so I settled for one HD receiver and 2 SD receivers for now |
| [03:44:06] | wagnerrp: | and it wasnt newly release when i got it |
| [03:44:12] | sphery: | though for the H.264 crowd, the best solution is to buy real hardware |
| [03:44:15] | Beirdo: | plut I want to try ATSC too |
| [03:44:17] | sphery: | i.e. don't run an atom backend |
| [03:44:34] | wagnerrp: | sphery: or disable the jobqueue on their fake backend |
| [03:44:38] | wagnerrp: | and run it on beefy frontends |
| [03:44:51] | iamlindoro: | sphery, don't be crazy, the solution is to berate the myth devs until one of them, slaves taht they are, write you a VDPAU comflag decoder |
| [03:45:22] | sphery: | I stand corrected |
| [03:45:29] | ** sphery goes to cry in the corner ** | |
| [03:45:40] | wagnerrp: | they just need to have decent hardware *somewhere* |
| [03:45:58] | sphery: | good point--mythjobqueue could do it anywhere |
| [03:46:04] | wagnerrp: | why not just put it on the machine thats hidden in a closet and loud anyway |
| [03:46:22] | sphery: | new T-shirt design: mythjobqueue does it anywhere |
| [03:46:24] | Beirdo: | or on the Cray in the basement? |
| [03:46:50] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: yeah, you run on your cray in your basement, ill do it on my laptop |
| [03:46:53] | wagnerrp: | see who gets done first |
| [03:47:11] | [R]: | iamlindoro: can you use vdpau like that? |
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| [03:47:22] | Beirdo: | Hey, I didn't specify how old it was :) |
| [03:47:40] | wagnerrp: | [R]: in theory, you can pull frame out of it as textures |
| [03:47:49] | iamlindoro: | yeah ^^ |
| [03:47:55] | [R]: | or you could use CUDA maybe? |
| [03:48:09] | Beirdo: | Oooh, Cray is based here in Seattle. :) |
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| [03:48:44] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: IMHO, Cray stopped making supercomputers when they migrated to generic CPUs |
| [03:49:03] | wagnerrp: | now its just a big cluster and an expensive interconnect |
| [03:49:10] | nutron: | hmm two million cores couldn't be wrong |
| [03:49:17] | Beirdo: | yeah, but you can run Linux on it |
| [03:49:36] | sphery: | no way, Stargate: The Ark of Truth has a preview for a terrible movie I just watched (Wargames: The Dead Code) |
| [03:49:56] | Beirdo: | 224k processing cores... should be able to do commflag fast once it is parallizable |
| [03:50:00] | sphery: | having seen the show, I have to say the preview makes it look a /lot/ better than it was |
| [03:50:13] | Beirdo: | 1.75 petaflops |
| [03:50:15] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [03:51:08] | wagnerrp: | meh, the last real Cray was the X1 |
| [03:51:16] | wagnerrp: | although thats a lot more recent than i had thought |
| [03:51:22] | wagnerrp: | pulls a couple teraflops |
| [03:52:05] | Beirdo: | yer just being a silly purist :) |
| [03:53:18] | wagnerrp: | foolish me, thinking supercomputers should be custom hardware, rather than commodity processors slapped together |
| [03:53:29] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:53:45] | Beirdo: | I think they did a little more than just SLAP them together |
| [03:53:55] | Beirdo: | but you have a good point, of course |
| [03:53:55] | nutron: | wagnerrp: next thing you know... you'll want to run some sort of bsd... |
| [03:53:58] | Tanthrix: | Anyone ever seen "cv wait failure" errors in the backend causing the frontend to display blank recordings page (and in general be unable to display any other stuff from the db) ? |
| [03:54:27] | Tanthrix: | Came home today to find it in that state...and this system has beeen working without issue for months, so this is probably related to setting up a slave backend. |
| [03:54:39] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: all they do now is design node interconnects |
| [03:55:14] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt count unless you design your own CPUs |
| [03:55:27] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:55:29] | Beirdo: | I guess |
| [03:55:45] | Beirdo: | I'd still take an XT5 though |
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| [03:56:06] | Beirdo: | as long as you pay the electric and airconditioning bills |
| [03:56:09] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
| [03:57:17] | wagnerrp: | im good with my couple TF of capacity |
| [03:57:20] | Beirdo: | anywyas, I think I'll go see if the lounge TV is available :) |
| [03:57:26] | ** Tanthrix ayes his slave backend suspicously ** | |
| [03:57:32] | Tanthrix: | Eyes, even. |
| [03:57:33] | Beirdo: | petaflops FTW |
| [03:57:57] | Beirdo: | anywho |
| [03:58:07] | Beirdo: | maybe be back later, dunno. |
| [03:58:20] | Tanthrix: | Can a slave record if the master is down? |
| [03:58:29] | wagnerrp: | no |
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| [03:58:44] | wagnerrp: | it needs a master, and it needs a database (which is usually also on the master) |
| [03:58:56] | Tanthrix: | So if a recording was in progress on a slave and the master went down, the recording would die? |
| [03:58:59] | wagnerrp: | note that it should take all of 15 seconds to swap masters manually |
| [03:59:19] | wagnerrp: | master backend? or master backend and database? |
| [03:59:26] | Tanthrix: | Just the backend, not the db. |
| [03:59:28] | wagnerrp: | if you lose the database, youre boned |
| [03:59:37] | wagnerrp: | if you lose the backend? i dont know what would happen |
| [03:59:57] | Tanthrix: | I think it would keep working, since it seems that I have some recordings that went though even though the backend was dead-ish. |
| [04:00:51] | Tanthrix: | Then again, I don't know when specifically it died. I'm going to enable logging and keep an eye on it. This has got to be related to the slave somehow, since this system has had 100 percent recording/backend reliability for months until this. |
| [04:01:30] | sphery: | recordings in progress on the remote backend may continue without issue even if the DB goes down, but with or without DB, if there's no master backend, you won't get any recordings after the current ones |
| [04:01:57] | wagnerrp: | sphery: it wont fail as soon as it tries to save seek data? |
| [04:01:58] | sphery: | obviously, all recording seektables on in-progress recordings would be corrupt if the remote backend lost the DB during recording |
| [04:02:11] | sphery: | TTBOMK, it just fails to write seek data |
| [04:02:19] | sphery: | keeps recording until the time it was told to stop |
| [04:02:24] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, it shouldn't fail the recording just because it couldn't write seek data. |
| [04:02:41] | sphery: | but I wouldn't count on it working that way |
| [04:02:57] | sphery: | that's the ideal--but the system is really designed to have both a master backend and a DB :) |
| [04:03:00] | Tanthrix: | I just wish I knew what caused that "cv wait failure" that killed the backend |
| [04:03:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | the setpositionmap routines are voids, not bools, so we don't check whether they were unsuccesful |
| [04:03:16] | sphery: | Tanthrix: not much help, but http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5614 |
| [04:03:32] | Tanthrix: | Yah, I read that – the only reference I saw with myth and that particular error |
| [04:03:50] | sphery: | yeah, seems to be a problem with QMutex usage, specifically |
| [04:03:53] | Tanthrix: | I'm nearly certain that it has something to do with my newly setup slave backend, but that's not a lot to go on |
| [04:04:10] | wagnerrp: | why do 'RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE UPDATE's get fired off so much |
| [04:04:47] | sphery: | there's a reschedule before each recording starts and when they finish |
| [04:05:02] | sphery: | plus the standard ones (all that, IIRC) |
| [04:05:23] | Tanthrix: | Wait, I had logging turned on...one sec |
| [04:05:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, looks like the filesize update code may trigger that. |
| [04:05:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | I think we update filesize every X seconds during recording. |
| [04:06:23] | wagnerrp: | i see three instances for the start of a recording, and another six at the end |
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| [04:07:43] | Tanthrix: | http://pastebin.com/963Gqf0c |
| [04:07:52] | wagnerrp: | im just wondering what i should listen for in this mythfs |
| [04:08:00] | Tanthrix: | Seems to have happened right during/after mythfilldatabase connected to the backend |
| [04:08:13] | wagnerrp: | i see a DELETE, but no specific ADD |
| [04:08:33] | wagnerrp: | i guess ill just search for an update existing on an UPDATE, and then add if none found |
| [04:08:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, ones at the beginning could be things like initial insert, markasinuse, and initial filesize. |
| [04:09:38] | wagnerrp: | seems all three were fired off at 12.4MB |
| [04:10:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | hmm, not sure then. |
| [04:10:14] | wagnerrp: | well no worries, the above strategy would work |
| [04:10:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | you might only see an ADD now when we unset the deletepending flag which causes recordings to be hidden in PBB. |
| [04:10:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | s/now// |
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| [04:11:39] | wagnerrp: | ok, thanks |
| [04:13:13] | Captain_Murdoch: | ADD/UPDATE are part of Daniel's optimizations to PBB. I added DELETE a while back to make it so that we didn't have to bust the programinfo cache in PBB when we deleted a recording. |
| [04:13:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | his add/update are further extensions along the same idea. |
| [04:13:51] | wagnerrp: | ok, im just looking at events coming off 0.23, not trunk |
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| [04:15:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | I think these were a while ago, possibly before 0.22, but anyway.... |
| [04:16:25] | ** Captain_Murdoch goes to test the changes he made to his CPAP that his doctor didn't want to make today which forced him to do some googling to find out how to get into the hidden config menu. ** | |
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| [04:36:39] | Wicked: | bah. default install of ubuntu 10.04 and i just finished compiling 0.23-fixes...and goto start mythfrontend and it opens up...but both the top and bottom bars in gnome stay ontop |
| [04:36:47] | Wicked: | any ideas what would cause this? |
| [04:37:20] | dfletcher: | I turned them on auto-hide :/ |
| [04:37:36] | Wicked: | hmm |
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| [04:39:42] | xaxes: | hey hey ;) how can I delete the content of a whole storage group? |
| [04:40:48] | Wicked: | ah. it seems by default compiz was on. i followed this and everything is working good now. http://www.serenux.com/2009/04/howto-fix-myth . . . untu-jaunty/ |
| [04:42:13] | dfletcher: | oh heh need ccsm |
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| [04:42:27] | dfletcher: | didn't think I needed that on this box :) |
| [04:43:35] | wagnerrp: | xaxes: you can add multiple things to a playlist, and then delete the entire playlist |
| [04:45:48] | xaxes: | wagnerrp: Im in "watch recordings" go to group "example" and press "M"->>"add to playlist" where can I now find the delete option? switching to an item, pressing M->>"Playlist Options" |
| [04:46:46] | xaxes: | brb 5 mins (phone) |
| [04:50:03] | xaxes: | back |
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| [05:14:29] | sphery: | xaxes: M|Playlist Options|Delete |
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| [05:19:59] | wagnerrp: | in the userjob formatting, STARTTIME is the actual start of the recording, while PROGSTART is the start in the guide data? |
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| [05:22:10] | sphery: | wagnerrp: should be |
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| [05:22:45] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to the program info where starttime is the guide data, and recstartts is the actual start of recording? |
| [05:25:32] | sphery: | yeah |
| [05:25:55] | ** wagnerrp votes for better name consistency when all this crap gets reworked ** | |
| [05:26:57] | sphery: | we have a lot of inconsistencies from having to add things after initial design, where in hindsight what was already there was improperly named |
| [05:30:10] | wagnerrp: | ive introduced a few inconsistencies into the bindings myself |
| [05:30:28] | wagnerrp: | but at least theyre fairly new enough i can usually fix them without too much consternation |
| [05:30:41] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
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| [06:04:30] | dfletcher: | heh when I first made my myth setup I thought my primary recording backend would also be my frontend, so I got a 300GB disk. but now I'm recording from a big old dell tower in closet. just setting up diskless boot buys me 300GB space. sweeet :) |
| [06:05:08] | ** dfletcher thinks about dists, considers brewing own :P ** | |
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| [06:07:25] | dfletcher: | hmm whoever wrote this uses gentoo? that seems good |
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| [06:07:44] | nutron: | I'm watching the talk by greg k-h's talk at google, on how they develop it... crazy stuff |
| [06:08:44] | nutron: | err rather develop the kernel |
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| [06:15:32] | xaxes: | sphery: thanks, gonna try it when im back at home |
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| [06:46:44] | dfletcher: | oh heh ubuntu has some neat instructions for this. I can just nab my root filesystem from the current disk based frontend over NFS, and set up pxe with a snapshot of the working system. nice one. |
| [06:48:58] | ** dfletcher sees how much disk space he needs for that ** | |
| [06:50:14] | dfletcher: | oh heh nice it's only a few gigs. perfect. |
| [06:51:12] | [R]: | yeah it works great |
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| [08:41:16] | wagnerrp: | esperegu: this is a remote machine? |
| [08:42:09] | wagnerrp: | if its a remote machine, you have not yet told it where your database server is |
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| [09:50:47] | orly_owl: | i have dvi to hdmi on a 1920x1080 tv but the boot screen doesnt show up because the tv cant display text modes. how can i fix this? |
| [09:51:00] | orly_owl: | also ttys dont show up for the same reason |
| [09:53:21] | orly_owl: | is there a kernel line that will allow boot screen to show ? |
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| [10:12:12] | Faithful: | How can I reset my parental pin when I forgot it? |
| [10:15:54] | justinh: | hmmm. for all we know you could be a kid trying to watch his dad's porn video collection |
| [10:16:02] | oobe: | yea lol |
| [10:16:45] | orly_owl: | you could just stick in a live cd |
| [10:17:07] | oobe: | answer the questions only ppl over 21 know the answer to like in leisure suit larry 1 |
| [10:17:08] | justinh: | we better stop storing passwords & PINs as plain text in the database eh |
| [10:17:37] | Faithful: | use an sqladmin tool and look at the database... |
| [10:17:41] | orly_owl: | lol ive played that |
| [10:17:58] | Faithful: | the thing thata gets me is my other frontend is not locked out...??? |
| [10:18:13] | Faithful: | is the locking per frontend? |
| [10:18:52] | oobe: | if it is then changing your hostname will reset all values for that frontend |
| [10:19:09] | oobe: | i mean thats not good but atleast you will get access back maybe |
| [10:19:16] | orly_owl: | it relies on hostname? thats pretty dodgy |
| [10:20:00] | oobe: | orly_owl, it uses mysql |
| [10:20:16] | justinh: | storing it as plaintext is pretty dodgy too, but you generally can't alter tables using a remote control |
| [10:20:18] | Faithful: | I've got this bad feeling that I removed the pin but left "aggresive" ticked... and now... no go |
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| [10:27:52] | Faithful: | what mysql table and key is it I am looking in the db now |
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| [10:29:39] | justinh: | no idea. I don't use PINs so my db hasn't had them inserted |
| [10:31:09] | justinh: | possibly in the settings table |
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| [11:07:51] | Faithful: | I am looking in the database and I do not seem to be able to find the pin for parental control |
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| [11:17:15] | jarle: | has mythweb received an update from 0.22-fixes to 0.23-fixes, or can I just stay with the install used on 0.22-fixes? |
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| [11:26:57] | Faithful: | I found it |
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| [11:32:41] | pak0: | hi all people |
| [11:52:40] | jarle: | I have been running 0.22-fixes successfully for a long time, today I installed 0.23-fixes on top of the previous 0.22-fixes installation (using "make install"). Problem is that now the frontend segafaults whenever I try to watch a recording, enter live tv, or play a video in mythvideo. Any hints? |
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| [12:11:47] | pak0: | interesting the player of nvidia for wathc movies on 3d |
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| [12:12:44] | justinh: | the sooner people stop caring about 3d movies the better |
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| [13:01:12] | highzeth: | they wont, not untill the next hype comes along. I predict smell-o-vision to be it |
| [13:03:03] | quicksilver: | not sure about that. All new tech is driven by porn. |
| [13:03:15] | quicksilver: | I don't want to think about porn driving smell-o-vision adoption. |
| [13:03:32] | highzeth: | sure you do, you just dont easily admit it openly |
| [13:05:10] | justinh: | pah. I just want the MindsEye(tm) interface |
| [13:05:15] | justinh: | no eyes required |
| [13:06:57] | justinh: | HDNI – High Definition Neural Interface :P |
| [13:11:16] | justinh: | I bet the mythical convergence box still isn't around by that time though |
| [13:12:04] | justinh: | one box, connects to anything, plays anything, from anything |
| [13:12:12] | justinh: | the stuff of fairy tales |
| [13:16:56] | justinh: | hahahaha we're sending some units to be HDMI certified |
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| [13:33:41] | resno: | is there a science to figuring out if a rig can handle what i want to through at it? |
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| [13:55:50] | justinh: | to through at it? think you might mean *throw* |
| [13:56:28] | resno: | yea, throw |
| [13:56:31] | justinh: | anyway not really. unless you buy the fastest CPU money can buy |
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| [13:56:49] | resno: | is that the best method? |
| [13:56:59] | resno: | best cpu and video card? |
| [13:57:09] | justinh: | well,it never makes sense to buy the cheapest stuff |
| [13:57:31] | resno: | not cheapest but middle ground |
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| [13:57:53] | resno: | sometimes the middle ground is still to cheap LOL |
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| [14:03:11] | justinh: | put it this way, don't take a chance on hardware accelerated playback being able to cope with everything you throw at it |
| [14:04:07] | resno: | fair enough, ill spring for more cpu and video card power |
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| [14:05:35] | justinh: | also don't bank on being able to use more than one core for playback duties |
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| [14:06:25] | resno: | should i get more ram or what do you recommend? |
| [14:07:05] | justinh: | I'd call 2GB a minimum these days considering how cheap it is |
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| [14:07:33] | resno: | i was in between 3 or 4 |
| [14:07:49] | resno: | 2 is pretty much the default |
| [14:09:30] | justinh: | anyway ram won't really affect your ability to play HD media |
| [14:10:08] | justinh: | it'll have a bearing on how fancy a theme & fanart (etc) your frontend can handle but little else |
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| [14:11:02] | resno: | there are jsut so many variables to getting things setup |
| [14:11:30] | justinh: | if you say si |
| [14:11:32] | justinh: | *so |
| [14:11:55] | quicksilver: | I would focus on tuner cards which definitely work, and display hardware which definitely worked. |
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| [14:13:15] | justinh: | don't go with intel video would be my advice |
| [14:13:50] | resno: | im looking at getting the dell zino hd |
| [14:13:56] | justinh: | I wouldn't |
| [14:14:41] | justinh: | eew. radeon graphics |
| [14:15:09] | justinh: | pretty fugly box too |
| [14:15:42] | justinh: | you can have a nvidia equipped mac mini for the same money just about |
| [14:15:54] | justinh: | if not less money |
| [14:16:03] | quicksilver: | I have working radeons but you do need to do the research first |
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| [14:16:20] | quicksilver: | make sure your exact card is well enough supported for what you need. |
| [14:16:21] | resno: | from what i read it works on ubuntu with hdmi support |
| [14:16:40] | resno: | and sound through hdmi |
| [14:17:06] | resno: | justinh: you know fo the device? |
| [14:17:12] | resno: | of* |
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| [14:21:51] | justinh: | I just googled it. it looks like a piece of crap |
| [14:22:35] | resno: | you use mac mini? |
| [14:22:47] | justinh: | nope |
| [14:22:55] | justinh: | ugh. that zino thing doesn't even have spdif out |
| [14:23:13] | resno: | yea, i know but the hdmi is what i intend to use |
| [14:23:22] | justinh: | sigh |
| [14:23:28] | justinh: | good luck with that then |
| [14:23:39] | resno: | read it works in linux |
| [14:23:39] | justinh: | for that money I'd sooner buy a mac mini |
| [14:23:52] | resno: | mac mini are like 500 |
| [14:23:55] | justinh: | yeah there's 'works' in linux and is 'good' in linux |
| [14:24:01] | justinh: | resno: so is that peice of crap |
| [14:24:16] | justinh: | 'from £329' – with a crap CPU |
| [14:24:40] | justinh: | £579 with a decent CPU |
| [14:24:42] | resno: | you can upgrade to a "better" one |
| [14:25:02] | justinh: | bye bye warranty then |
| [14:25:18] | resno: | who needs a warranty? |
| [14:25:35] | resno: | id much rather remove all that extra crapware and service |
| [14:25:43] | justinh: | with new hardware it's mental to void the warranty |
| [14:26:10] | justinh: | you likely wouldn't void your warranty taking the OS off |
| [14:26:16] | justinh: | but changing the CPU... oof |
| [14:26:38] | justinh: | nah £579 is daft money for something of that ilk |
| [14:27:53] | resno: | is AMD Dual Core Athlon™ X2 3250e (1MB L2, 1.5GHz) a crap cpu? |
| [14:28:22] | justinh: | won't be much use for playing h.264 HD if that's what you mean |
| [14:28:36] | justinh: | certainly not at broadcast or BD bitrates |
| [14:28:43] | resno: | you dont think so? |
| [14:28:53] | justinh: | nope |
| [14:29:10] | justinh: | I know so. seen plenty people here complaining they've got faster CPUs that can't cope with it |
| [14:29:34] | justinh: | I know a core 2 duo 1.6Ghz machine can't play BBC HD without stuttering |
| [14:29:43] | resno: | doesnt the video card play a part in it |
| [14:30:01] | justinh: | when you have ATI cards, there's no help playing back the video |
| [14:30:05] | justinh: | NO HELP |
| [14:31:00] | resno: | interesting |
| [14:31:13] | justinh: | no, not interesting. It's a fact :) |
| [14:31:22] | justinh: | I mean right now, it's a fact |
| [14:31:27] | justinh: | a fact which may change in future |
| [14:32:02] | justinh: | but currently the only video hardware offering hardware accelerated playback in linux is from Nvidia |
| [14:32:09] | justinh: | (which will work with mythtv) |
| [14:32:47] | resno: | without myth and doing straight video playback, would it work? |
| [14:32:56] | justinh: | no |
| [14:33:08] | justinh: | oh you mean using the CPU? sure |
| [14:33:36] | resno: | so, other then asking here. how can i tell myself if itll stand up to what i want? |
| [14:33:40] | justinh: | but not using the GPU means you'll need more than 1.5Ghz |
| [14:34:04] | justinh: | if the CPU is under 2Ghz, forget all about it for HD playback. Simples |
| [14:34:16] | resno: | amd and intel? |
| [14:34:23] | justinh: | if you're talking about being able to handle everything you'll likely throw at it.. for sure |
| [14:35:03] | justinh: | but heck, even a 2.5Ghz dual core chip doesn't cost *that* much these days |
| [14:36:42] | justinh: | btw I think Dell can get away with calling those machines 'HD' because the ATI windows drivers DO accelerate video playback |
| [14:37:12] | justinh: | but for linux.. forget it |
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| [14:38:01] | justinh: | forget it til ATI hardware acceleration works in linux..which is to say it's a way off yet |
| [14:39:12] | resno: | so would it be stronger in windows then? |
| [14:39:22] | resno: | thats basically what your saying.. |
| [14:39:35] | quicksilver: | yes. |
| [14:39:38] | justinh: | which part of "I wouldn't buy it if you paid me" are you missing? |
| [14:39:40] | justinh: | ;-) |
| [14:39:46] | quicksilver: | all modern graphics cards have hardware accelleration |
| [14:39:49] | quicksilver: | none of them work under linux |
| [14:39:59] | justinh: | except nvidia's |
| [14:40:00] | quicksilver: | (both of the both statements are exagerrations, yes) |
| [14:40:24] | quicksilver: | even the incredibly shitty Intel integrated GPUs in the i5/i7s do hardware assist |
| [14:40:30] | quicksilver: | (but, not under linux, of course) |
| [14:40:44] | justinh: | they only just do it in windows, IIRC |
| [14:40:57] | quicksilver: | from what I read it's pretty poor, yes |
| [14:40:58] | resno: | justinh: so what *do* you use a front end? |
| [14:41:08] | justinh: | who cares? I don't play HD |
| [14:41:09] | quicksilver: | but of course the CPUs are powerful enough they don't need much |
| [14:41:26] | quicksilver: | I also don't do HD, I'm afraid. |
| [14:41:27] | resno: | oh, hd is the issue. |
| [14:41:36] | justinh: | more to the point, I can't play HD. my C2D 1.6Ghz isn't powerful enough |
| [14:41:38] | quicksilver: | yeah, SD works fine with a 5 year old processor. |
| [14:41:46] | quicksilver: | which, indeed, is what I have. |
| [14:41:56] | quicksilver: | K7/1666 or something |
| [14:41:59] | GreyFoxx: | SD works fine with a 10 year oldprocessor |
| [14:42:09] | resno: | i did hd on my p4 and it play pretty well. one of those demos from windows |
| [14:42:11] | GreyFoxx: | my Pii650 worked just fine with SD content :) |
| [14:42:11] | justinh: | and if you want to be able to say 'anything I throw at it' budget for a bigger cpu than the crap dell are shipping in those boxes |
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| [14:42:27] | justinh: | resno: HD != HD != HD != HD |
| [14:42:44] | resno: | thats what i started thinking |
| [14:42:57] | justinh: | in this case, take'HD' as meaning MASSIVE bitrate difficult to play content from bluray discs |
| [14:42:59] | ** resno sighs ** | |
| [14:43:08] | justinh: | as in the toughest stuff around to play |
| [14:43:16] | justinh: | not some crappy 'HD' clip you got from somewhere |
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| [14:43:38] | resno: | can i scale back my once over zealous statement? |
| [14:43:43] | justinh: | heck I got a 800Mhz CPU to play a '720p' file without stuttering. Much |
| [14:43:49] | justinh: | resno: no |
| [14:44:12] | justinh: | resno: just don't buy a crap CPU & the box should be able to just eat more or less anything you put in its way |
| [14:44:20] | justinh: | think > 2Ghz |
| [14:44:36] | justinh: | buy as beefy a CPU as you can afford |
| [14:44:42] | resno: | sounds like a good place to start :) |
| [14:44:48] | justinh: | or wait, save some more.. and buy a better one |
| [14:45:09] | justinh: | that should *always& be the rationale for machines which play media files |
| [14:45:26] | justinh: | unless you don't want it to be even the least bit future proof |
| [14:46:45] | justinh: | fwiw I think we'll have multithreaded playback in ffmpeg before AMD have got hardware acceleration for ATI cards for linux ;) |
| [14:46:54] | resno: | apple tv is worthless as a front end isnt it? |
| [14:46:59] | justinh: | sigh |
| [14:47:03] | justinh: | yes it is :) |
| [14:47:26] | resno: | my friend keeps trying to convince me of it |
| [14:47:31] | bjd: | :) |
| [14:47:32] | justinh: | unless you only wanna play standard def |
| [14:47:37] | bjd: | i need to buy a frontend |
| [14:47:39] | justinh: | or very low bitrate 'HD' |
| [14:48:27] | justinh: | it'll be a slightly different matter when mythtv has crystalHD thingy support for offloading video decoding |
| [14:48:37] | justinh: | but that's also a little way off |
| [14:48:53] | resno: | yea, dont hold you breath on locking down dates |
| [14:48:57] | resno: | your* |
| [14:49:35] | justinh: | I'd put money on crystal HD support coming before working ATI hw accel in linux though :) |
| [14:50:43] | justinh: | what ATI get working in linux is generally pretty good by all accounts. for as long as they continue to support it that is |
| [14:50:58] | resno: | thanks for your insight justinh |
| [14:51:34] | justinh: | there's some stuff in the wiki regarding 'HD' playback specs you could use as a rule of thumb |
| [14:51:46] | resno: | bjd: are you thinking of making your own machine or buying one? |
| [14:51:48] | justinh: | but always buy more CPU than the minimum |
| [14:52:17] | resno: | sounds like a good metric to follow |
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| [14:54:21] | justinh: | a lot of people swear by nvidia ion stuff, but there's a lot they can't play in the hardware |
| [14:55:32] | resno: | so is it kind of a toss up at times? |
| [14:55:52] | justinh: | there'll never be anything better than CPU cycles to eat video playback IMHO |
| [14:56:24] | justinh: | software decoding has always handled slightly grotty streams better than hardware & probably always will |
| [14:57:13] | bjd: | resno: not sure yet |
| [14:57:25] | bjd: | there's some ASrock box thing i saw |
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| [14:57:40] | resno: | the wife just wants to buy a completed machine, thats pretty, etc etc |
| [14:58:02] | justinh: | and when ffmpeg gets multithreaded playback proper, we'll just be able to lob more cores in without having to have a faster clock |
| [14:58:03] | resno: | i just dont know anything about apple/macs etc |
| [14:58:35] | justinh: | resno: in terms of size, looks & bang per buck the mac mini is a better buy than anything else right now except maybe ion stuff |
| [14:59:40] | resno: | do you keep up with the mac minis? justinh |
| [14:59:41] | bjd: | what would you use for a remote? |
| [15:00:13] | resno: | bjd: likely the windows media center ones. i think they usually work. |
| [15:00:23] | resno: | i read something about them in the wiki |
| [15:00:47] | bjd: | Hm |
| [15:00:53] | justinh: | resno: been *so* tempted to buy one a few times – but I've no need of HD |
| [15:01:00] | bjd: | ~500 pounds for a mac mini |
| [15:01:01] | justinh: | and it's got a lot of WAF going for it |
| [15:01:22] | justinh: | you could waste more than 500 quid on one of those dell lamenesses |
| [15:01:28] | resno: | i would just put a desktop there, but she wants pretty |
| [15:01:42] | justinh: | if it was up to me I'd put NOTHING in there |
| [15:01:58] | justinh: | and just run a nice long cable from the combined FE/BE in another room :) |
| [15:02:13] | resno: | then she wont like the cord LOL |
| [15:02:24] | ** iamlindoro just blocked a bunch of wiki users pre-emptively ** | |
| [15:02:30] | iamlindoro: | But I wasn't wrong :) |
| [15:02:34] | justinh: | duh. you don't put it where you can see it, dummy! |
| [15:03:24] | justinh: | iamlindoro: dustybin, dustybin01, dustybin02, nibytsud etc ? ;-) |
| [15:03:28] | resno: | as far as minis go, the intel dual cores are the best to go with |
| [15:03:34] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [15:03:50] | resno: | i was curious how you knew they were spamccounts |
| [15:03:50] | justinh: | resno: they're all you can buy now anyway |
| [15:03:59] | resno: | ebay :) |
| [15:04:10] | resno: | craigslist |
| [15:04:16] | justinh: | oh crap. boss man wants me to go to a bus depot to fit a camera on a bus next week |
| [15:04:48] | resno: | are you the one that works in a survilence company? justinh |
| [15:04:53] | justinh: | yeah cos I'm a majorly experienced cctv installer versed in bus electrical systems |
| [15:05:08] | justinh: | oh wait now I remember. I'm *not* |
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| [15:06:21] | justinh: | it better be a case of swapping something existing |
| [15:08:38] | resno: | i was a regular person up here, a few months ago. im trying to remember, if i remember you |
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| [15:11:06] | bjd: | resno: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ASRock-ION-330 . . . GB-HDD-Black |
| [15:11:11] | bjd: | was thinking about that |
| [15:11:22] | bjd: | there's a model with a blu ray drive but pointless imo |
| [15:11:44] | resno: | yea, bluerays a no go on linux |
| [15:12:04] | resno: | intend to do hd? |
| [15:12:22] | ** iamlindoro coughs ** | |
| [15:12:35] | ** resno looks at iamlindoro ** | |
| [15:12:36] | bjd: | maybe once dvb-t2 kicks off here |
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| [15:13:44] | ** justinh laughs ** | |
| [15:13:50] | justinh: | dvb-t2 kicked off here last November |
| [15:14:06] | justinh: | and there still ain't no dvb-t2 tuners for PCs |
| [15:14:31] | tzanger: | dvb-t2? really? |
| [15:14:32] | justinh: | there likely won't be any til after the world cup of soccer is over either |
| [15:14:38] | tzanger: | wow |
| [15:14:44] | justinh: | tzanger: no, not affordable ones |
| [15:14:52] | justinh: | as in affordable by mortals |
| [15:14:58] | tzanger: | who's transmitting in -t2 these days? |
| [15:15:07] | justinh: | freeview HD |
| [15:15:15] | tzanger: | -s2 only has a few transmitters so the changeover was pretty painless |
| [15:15:20] | justinh: | as many as *three* channels right now |
| [15:15:22] | tzanger: | -t2 though you have dozens if not hundreds of transmitters |
| [15:15:29] | justinh: | nope |
| [15:15:31] | justinh: | not here |
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| [15:15:46] | tzanger: | justinh: that's what I'm saying, it will take a long time to hit a timming point |
| [15:15:49] | tzanger: | er tipping |
| [15:15:50] | justinh: | DVB-T sure |
| [15:16:04] | tzanger: | yeah I use dvb-t myself |
| [15:16:10] | tzanger: | 18mbps CBC FIFA coverage FTW |
| [15:16:11] | justinh: | they're not gonna replace dvb-t with T2 |
| [15:16:37] | justinh: | existing services on dvb-t are good for a very long time yet. even OFCOM are saying that |
| [15:16:46] | tzanger: | orly |
| [15:16:53] | tzanger: | so what's the push for -t2 then for? |
| [15:16:58] | justinh: | for HDTV |
| [15:17:01] | tzanger: | if it's not to conserve/reclaim bandwidth |
| [15:17:09] | justinh: | and it's not a push |
| [15:17:13] | justinh: | it was a necessity |
| [15:17:16] | tzanger: | but dvb-t handles hdtv just fine |
| [15:17:34] | tzanger: | mind you as I said, it's awfully high bandwidth |
| [15:17:41] | justinh: | course it does, but doesn't use the band as efficiently |
| [15:17:52] | tzanger: | right, similar with the difference between -s and -s2 |
| [15:17:58] | tzanger: | better encoding and recovery |
| [15:18:00] | justinh: | different modulation gets them up to 35% more bw |
| [15:18:18] | justinh: | something like that anyway |
| [15:19:48] | iamlindoro: | Am I wrong to want to set on fire anyone who uses more than one punctuation mark in a row? |
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| [15:20:02] | tzanger: | iamlindoro: absolutley not, and in fact I'll supply the fuel |
| [15:20:19] | iamlindoro: | or, to put it in the language of the users list, "Am I wrong to want to set on fire anyone who uses more than one punctuation mark in a row??!?" |
| [15:20:33] | tzanger: | haha |
| [15:20:38] | tzanger: | self-immoleation |
| [15:20:44] | iamlindoro: | yeeeha |
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| [15:21:43] | janneg: | ... looks acceptable for ellipsis emulation |
| [15:22:07] | iamlindoro: | true, I can live with that one. :) |
| [15:24:00] | janneg: | but "'Multiple exclamation marks,' he went on, shaking his head, 'are a sure sign of a diseased mind.'" |
| [15:24:30] | iamlindoro: | Indeed!!! |
| [15:24:34] | j-rod: | hm. kworld ub435-q on special for $25 atm. |
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| [15:24:46] | bjd: | you forgot the !!!1111oneoneoneoneleven |
| [15:25:05] | j-rod: | just need mkrufky to push the lgdt3304 and em28xx patches for it |
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| [15:26:19] | iamlindoro: | I should note publicly that Hauppauge was extremely kind to us in donating many hundreds of dollars in prizes for the theme competition, and anyone considering a tuner purchase might take their support of the project into account |
| [15:26:43] | iamlindoro: | (not to mention the above-average support for their devices in linux) |
| [15:27:33] | justinh: | hmmm. that I'm beginning to be my boss' boss' go-to guy is more than a little worrying |
| [15:28:00] | justinh: | me & my nasty habit of delivering whatever stupid loonytune idea he has |
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| [15:29:58] | justinh: | oh crapola. next up – roll a custom distro livecd for a content management system. ruh-ruh |
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| [15:41:56] | iamlindoro: | justinh: EW, someone wants to find Blue? |
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| [15:42:10] | ** iamlindoro smashes his head against the keyboard until that makes sense to him ** | |
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| [16:12:02] | nutron: | What'd I miss???!!!??!?!?!? |
| [16:12:23] | nutron: | And... to make it even more exciting around here... |
| [16:12:29] | nutron: | What's the holdup on .23? |
| [16:12:44] | iamlindoro: | Not enough people urging us to release it |
| [16:12:49] | ** nutron waits for [R] to get on his soapbox ** | |
| [16:12:53] | nutron: | heh |
| [16:12:57] | iamlindoro: | We're holding it until 4000 more people ask |
| [16:13:01] | ** resno urges iamlindoro to release .23 ** | |
| [16:13:04] | nutron: | Not witty enough. Try again. |
| [16:13:13] | nutron: | hah |
| [16:13:19] | iamlindoro: | nah, brevity is the soul of wit |
| [16:13:38] | nutron: | True |
| [16:13:38] | resno: | nutron: if you want to help, jump on with programming or throw some cash at it |
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| [16:14:54] | iamlindoro: | Cash won't help, we don't accept donations :) |
| [16:15:06] | iamlindoro: | Though I might be convinced to personally accept some ;) |
| [16:15:11] | wagnerrp: | thats a lie |
| [16:15:19] | wagnerrp: | code donations are welcome |
| [16:15:19] | nutron: | iamlindoro: will you take my wife? |
| [16:15:28] | iamlindoro: | pics |
| [16:15:36] | wagnerrp: | or GTFO |
| [16:16:16] | resno: | anything more then asking when its being released is generally accepted and enjoyed. |
| [16:16:33] | resno: | imho |
| [16:17:48] | nutron: | resno: I kid, though until I send patches in, I'm a worthless mythtv-users .. luser |
| [16:17:49] | wagnerrp: | we also accept 2000+ line bash scripts that tinker in the database by piping crap to 'mysql' |
| [16:18:06] | nutron: | though if I'd just stop screwing around with semantics, I may have some crap to check in |
| [16:18:10] | ** janneg ponders about selling unofficial 0.23 tarballs ** | |
| [16:18:34] | wagnerrp: | janneg: bonus points if you get the real background for Arclight |
| [16:18:37] | nutron: | wagnerrp: I just rewrote mythtv in 6000 lines of perl, it's beautiful. |
| [16:18:59] | janneg: | nutron: that off by a factor of 200 |
| [16:19:04] | janneg: | +'s |
| [16:19:28] | wagnerrp: | nutron: to be fair, it was only 1700 lines, and he estimated he could make up for everything he was currently lacking in under 3000 |
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| [16:20:02] | nutron: | :( wow, he must not like whitespace or comments... |
| [16:20:04] | wagnerrp: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/187428#187428 |
| [16:20:14] | nutron: | Been a while since I read that one. |
| [16:20:54] | wagnerrp: | lets see... yes! |
| [16:21:24] | wagnerrp: | MythBase.py, which sets up all the basic data structures for interfacing with the database, and basic database and mythproto connection classes |
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| [16:21:37] | wagnerrp: | is over 400 lines longer than his entire implementation of mythtv in perl |
| [16:21:40] | nutron: | I've just completed my soap-box derby equivalent of a Lamborghini. |
| [16:21:55] | nutron: | heh classic line. |
| [16:22:48] | nutron: | Yep, mine's looking like it'll go that way as well, though not there yet. |
| [16:22:49] | iamlindoro: | That's our very own Captain_Murdoch |
| [16:23:11] | iamlindoro: | Look CM, your line is a classic ;) |
| [16:23:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | :) I think I saved that thread off in a file locally for reference later in life. :) |
| [16:24:17] | nutron: | you should frame it, you good sir had a stellar moment of wit!!!!!!!!! |
| [16:24:22] | ** nutron sets himself on fire ** | |
| [16:25:01] | wagnerrp: | seems the main bulk of the bindings are some 5100 lines |
| [16:25:16] | wagnerrp: | plus another 2600 for RDV's tmdb and ttvdb libraries |
| [16:25:38] | wagnerrp: | and another 300 for wikiscripts and other sundry files |
| [16:26:01] | wagnerrp: | man, thats so much bloat |
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| [16:26:07] | wagnerrp: | i need to make them more simple |
| [16:26:57] | nutron: | wagnerrp: I've spent the last week reading through them and making notes... I've decided that I don't understand python. |
| [16:27:12] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [16:27:22] | janneg: | wagnerrp: you're missing the DWIW command |
| [16:29:25] | wagnerrp: | janneg: the mythbuntu guys are talking about wanting to use your git repository for their something, i guess their local development and autobuilds |
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| [16:29:35] | wagnerrp: | if you want to pop in there and give your blessing or otherwise |
| [16:30:13] | wagnerrp: | looks like they asked in #mythtv |
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| [17:21:14] | markl__: | i have a friend who is wondering if his tuner card is mythtv compatible and can do ATSC. the only info we have, though, is the lspci output, which says it is a Conexant CX23416–22 |
| [17:21:24] | markl__: | is that enough to know what the capabilities of the card are? |
| [17:22:31] | markl__: | and on an unrelated note, i am really fed up with vlc/mplayer poor vdpau support. how hard is it to use the internal myth player to just play 1 file without the headache of setting up mysql and the whole infrastructure? |
| [17:23:28] | Lucidno: | markl__: you can try looking on the wiki |
| [17:28:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | markl_, put it in a machine and get the PCI ID. |
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| [17:29:44] | j-rod: | cx23416 is ivtv |
| [17:29:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | the 23416 is an mpeg encoder chip like the IVTV cards have, but it could be hooked up to other components that aren't supported in Linux. if it's ATSC you're after I doubt that's it. |
| [17:30:08] | ** Captain_Murdoch should writer shorter comments. :) ** | |
| [17:30:08] | markl__: | ok ty |
| [17:30:10] | markl__: | heh |
| [17:31:07] | j-rod: | can't recall if the cx23416 is found on any hybrid analog/digital cards |
| [17:31:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | it could be a blackbird card as well. |
| [17:32:51] | j-rod: | I think the hvr-1800 actually does have a cx23416 on it |
| [17:33:40] | markl__: | it is looking like it is a paperweight though, if it doesn't do atsc |
| [17:34:25] | j-rod: | not positive on the hvr-1800, but the hvr-1850 has a cx23417 mpeg2 encoder |
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| [17:35:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | easiest to get the PCI ID and google it. |
| [17:35:23] | markl__: | how about a command line way to play 1 video with mythfrontend's internal player – any chance of this? |
| [17:35:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | you can do that through the network control interface. |
| [17:36:17] | skd5aner: | mythavtest? |
| [17:36:22] | wagnerrp: | mythavtest is a command line version of the internal player |
| [17:36:30] | wagnerrp: | but as the name suggests, it is for testing and debugging |
| [17:36:36] | wagnerrp: | not something you should be using directly |
| [17:39:17] | wagnerrp: | some documentation on Captain_Murdoch's suggestion, http://mythtv.org/wiki/Telnet_socke |
| [17:39:25] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Telnet_socket |
| [17:39:59] | wagnerrp: | you want 'play file <filename>' |
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| [17:43:05] | Captain_Murdoch: | I've thought about adding the ability to send commands to a remote frontend using MythEvent's, but have other higher things on my TODO. that would make it easier to interface with the bindings, etc. |
| [17:43:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | to a remote frontend's Network Control that is. |
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| [17:43:44] | skd5aner: | sphery: you around? |
| [17:43:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | then it would be easy to add a "mythfrontend --nc 'play file /some/dir/some/file.mpg'" command. |
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| [17:51:29] | sphery: | skd5aner: for a little bit |
| [17:52:45] | skd5aner: | sphery: fairly quick Q for you, regarding http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [17:53:16] | sphery: | ok |
| [17:53:18] | skd5aner: | why do you have to delete all sources, instead of a single source? And what junk is left behind if you only delete one (and why?)? |
| [17:53:23] | skd5aner: | maybe not quick, but :) |
| [17:54:48] | sphery: | skd5aner: read the "Why the 'Delete All' approach?" link in that post. |
| [17:54:53] | skd5aner: | k |
| [17:55:03] | sphery: | and the "What's different about the 'Delete All' buttons?" link |
| [17:55:17] | skd5aner: | doh, of course there's a link |
| [17:55:19] | sphery: | so, it was a quick answer :) |
| [17:55:21] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [17:55:55] | justinh: | I simply cannot believe people would prefer Blue to current themes.. *any* of them |
| [17:56:15] | Beirdo: | justinh: people have their own tastes... |
| [17:56:26] | sphery: | is this from mythtvtalk or something? |
| [17:56:39] | justinh: | Beirdo: some people have *no* taste :) |
| [17:56:44] | sphery: | Beirdo: even though sometimes they're taste is wrong |
| [17:56:49] | sphery: | their |
| [17:56:56] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:56:58] | justinh: | anyway all Blue ever was is a menu theme |
| [17:57:00] | Beirdo: | true |
| [17:57:15] | justinh: | be easy to recreate it. prolly take about half an hour |
| [17:57:18] | sphery: | who's saying they miss Blue, now? |
| [17:57:34] | justinh: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/general/13121-mythtv-theme.html |
| [17:57:52] | sphery: | btw, don't change the last 2 remaining screenshots of MythTV with the Blue theme on wikipedia--you'll get scolded |
| [17:57:59] | justinh: | metallurgy less pretty than Blue. why is anybody even bothering |
| [17:58:09] | justinh: | sphery: ruh? |
| [17:58:33] | Beirdo: | sphery: scolded by whom? |
| [17:58:53] | justinh: | so even if you provide a newer screenshot they still want to use an outdated defunct pic |
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| [18:00:05] | justinh: | ah it's been updated to show Terra :) |
| [18:01:43] | sphery: | I added http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MythTV-main_menu.png (current MythTV/Terra screenshot without any theme name in it) then went through all the pages on all wikipedia sites that used http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MythTV-blue_menu.png and changed them to use the current shot (so that when we update the current shot, it will update all pages--and we don't leave "Blue" in the name when it's not Blue). Some ... |
| [18:01:49] | sphery: | ... guy yelled at me for changing it on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_theater_PC and an old copy of that page. |
| [18:01:58] | sphery: | without any theme name in the file name, that is |
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| [18:02:23] | Beirdo: | sphery: hehe, the internet be full of fools |
| [18:02:38] | sphery: | he's the guy who wrote the HTPC entry |
| [18:02:55] | sphery: | said his way is better because it shows a "historical" view of the original MythTV |
| [18:03:06] | sphery: | though his definition of "original" is way off |
| [18:03:49] | sphery: | That being a Dec 25, 2004 screenshot with the caption, "Original MythTV Home Screen circa 2002" |
| [18:04:01] | Beirdo: | idiot |
| [18:04:02] | gbee: | !seen skamithi |
| [18:04:02] | MythLogBot: | skamithi was last seen 223 days 23 hours 47 minutes 44 seconds ago |
| [18:04:16] | gbee: | apparently not in -users though |
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| [18:05:21] | Beirdo: | well, if the powers that be ever approve the bot being in #mythtv, I'd be happy... |
| [18:05:29] | mag0o: | heh, teachers learning something new? Blasphemy!! |
| [18:05:54] | gbee: | Beirdo: I think we'd be ok with a bot, just not a public log |
| [18:06:18] | Beirdo: | I'm actually considering making a way to have the plugin capability of the bot (or at least commands) be disablable per channel |
| [18:06:46] | Beirdo: | gbee: gotcha. Well, it's something that can be discussed later on anyways |
| [18:06:48] | gbee: | sphery: to be fair, I added the 'circa' bit as a direct response to his claim that he wanted a screenshot reflecting that period |
| [18:07:04] | sphery: | gbee: ah, I see... |
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| [18:07:33] | sphery: | I have to admit that I don't know what 2002 MythTV looked like, so it may have been basically the same |
| [18:08:05] | sphery: | I will say that it's good that it says it's not a current shot |
| [18:08:23] | gbee: | I knew that the screenshot was older than that, but I wasn't about to seek out something else |
| [18:08:48] | gbee: | and the more we distance mythtv from an old theme the better ;) |
| [18:09:35] | sphery: | gbee: ok, looks like blue /was/ in there in 2002 |
| [18:09:45] | sphery: | so it's a good caption |
| [18:09:46] | gbee: | I believe that Blue is the oldest of the themes by a decent margin, but I wasn't a user that far back |
| [18:09:59] | sphery: | me neither... I started in 2004 |
| [18:10:19] | sphery: | but, yeah, Blue was there: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/63734#63734 |
| [18:12:46] | gbee: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/148/trun . . . /themes/blue |
| [18:13:07] | gbee: | so August 2002 |
| [18:13:09] | sphery: | wow, that is old |
| [18:13:27] | sphery: | so good caption since it shows it's way out of date |
| [18:13:53] | skd5aner: | I'm getting 0 byte files on a single channel (NBC) via clearQAM now :( |
| [18:14:02] | sphery: | time for a rescan? |
| [18:14:10] | gbee: | sphery: and it's barely changed since |
| [18:14:11] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea, I did that last night... |
| [18:14:16] | sphery: | cable co's love to mess with that |
| [18:14:36] | skd5aner: | yea, it's happened before |
| [18:14:47] | skd5aner: | I did a straight up rescan (no deleting on sources, channels, etc)... |
| [18:15:07] | skd5aner: | s/on/of |
| [18:17:11] | skd5aner: | should I do really delete all my sources and start from scratch? |
| [18:23:12] | sphery: | IMHO, the only way you can be certain that your old/broken channels aren't causing problems is to get rid of them. :) |
| [18:23:28] | sphery: | There's no need to delete all sources--if you do everything right. |
| [18:24:09] | sphery: | I just don't know how to do everything right (especially since it's different in different cases)--and it's a lot quicker to just delete all video sources and redo them than to figure out how to fix things properly. |
| [18:24:30] | ver: | if i make a post-recording transcoder script to convert my .nuv and .mpg files into h264/mp3 and copy it over the original, will i mess up mythtv playback? |
| [18:25:06] | gbee: | ver: you'll need to rebuild the seektables |
| [18:25:20] | sphery: | or--depending on the format you're using, clear the seektables |
| [18:25:36] | sphery: | but, IMHO, transcoding to save space is a terrible idea when HDD are so cheap |
| [18:25:46] | ver: | well, it isn't to conserve space |
| [18:26:02] | sphery: | if it's to make versions that devices can play, just keep them elsewhere |
| [18:26:08] | ver: | it's to make streaming it directly from the backend to a frontend on a constricted connection conducive. (say that 3 times fast) |
| [18:26:30] | sphery: | oh, then Cat 5+ is my recommendation |
| [18:26:38] | ver: | 5km away |
| [18:26:48] | sphery: | oh, then I don't want to know |
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| [18:27:11] | ver: | well, aren't you a peach |
| [18:27:22] | sphery: | I'm not interested in learning about anything that may be a violation of copyright and/or terms of service |
| [18:27:30] | sphery: | as discussion of such is prohibited here |
| [18:27:54] | sphery: | so you have the answer you need, so go for it |
| [18:28:57] | ver: | if it helps you sleep better, i have regional distribution agreements with the networks i provide |
| [18:29:33] | sphery: | that's between you and the network, but please don't talk about it here |
| [18:29:57] | sphery: | as anyone reading this may take it to mean that we're helping to distribute TV recordigns |
| [18:30:15] | sphery: | and/or users may wrongly assume they have a right to do what you're doing |
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| [18:38:12] | frojnd: | HEllo there |
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| [18:41:44] | frojnd: | I'm trying to connect to backend and when I run mythfrontend I get message: No UpNP found. It ask me for IP and name of the backend but at the end I get a message: can not login to sql database? Also I've noticed from CLI output: 2010-04–29 20:40:59.552 Unable to connect to database! |
| [18:41:53] | frojnd: | What did I missed to configure? |
| [18:42:05] | frojnd: | miss* |
| [18:43:00] | ver: | well, looks like your frontend can't connect to the database. i'd make sure you have credentials for it setup on both your database and in your frontend. |
| [18:44:18] | frojnd: | mysql server is running that's for sure |
| [18:46:42] | frojnd: | Database error was: |
| [18:46:42] | frojnd: | Host '192.168.1.42' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server |
| [18:46:50] | frojnd: | *.42 is my host |
| [18:48:31] | frojnd: | oh nose I forgot the root password for mysql |
| [18:48:32] | frojnd: | great |
| [18:49:50] | clever: | if you start mysql with a special option, it will accept any password for any user |
| [18:50:00] | clever: | allowing you to login as root and change the password |
| [18:52:18] | frojnd: | clever: ah I've change it now |
| [18:52:30] | frojnd: | ok so now I have to somehow grant access to my host 192.168.1.42 |
| [18:52:32] | frojnd: | hum |
| [18:52:37] | frojnd: | changed* |
| [18:52:42] | justinh: | oh nose it's very easy to find out how to grant access again :-) |
| [18:53:23] | frojnd: | justinh: ah google was first :P |
| [18:53:28] | justinh: | the mythtv docs even mention how |
| [18:53:43] | frojnd: | anyway how would I grant permissions to that IP that I'm accessing from? |
| [18:54:11] | justinh: | google knows that too |
| [18:54:16] | justinh: | and it's in the mythtv docs |
| [18:54:17] | frojnd: | ok |
| [18:54:21] | frojnd: | let' see :P |
| [18:55:12] | clever: | and #mysql would know too |
| [18:55:18] | frojnd: | justinh: this is not mysql specific thing right I have to do it on the server rather not in mysql http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-do-i-enable . . . -server.html |
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| [18:56:12] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html |
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| [19:07:29] | justinh: | blimey, glad I'm not a virgin media customer in wolverhampton |
| [19:07:44] | justinh: | but then I'm glad I'm not in wolverhampton full stop :) |
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| [19:17:49] | j-rod: | hey, at least wolves survived for another season in the prem |
| [19:21:53] | ** gbee blinks ** | |
| [19:25:02] | j-rod: | wolverhampton wanderers… english premier league football… :) |
| [19:25:32] | gbee: | j-rod: oh I know what you're talking about, I'm just a little surprised that you know ;) |
| [19:25:54] | j-rod: | heh. I kinda figured you should. |
| [19:26:00] | frojnd: | Host '192.168.1.42' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server |
| [19:26:04] | frojnd: | argh :) |
| [19:26:08] | frojnd: | Now I'm confused |
| [19:26:21] | frojnd: | I get this info before I even click next wen running mythfrontend :P |
| [19:26:34] | gbee: | I tend to assume that no-one in the US knows or cares about football |
| [19:26:34] | j-rod: | gbee: fox soccer channel over here carries a LOT of premier league games, and I record just about all of 'em |
| [19:26:42] | frojnd: | I've granted access for mythconverg database for this IP |
| [19:27:16] | gbee: | j-rod: well that's a helluva lot more interest than I have in the game ;) |
| [19:27:27] | gbee: | or at least watching it |
| [19:28:09] | frojnd: | mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/mc.sql |
| [19:28:14] | frojnd: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [19:28:22] | frojnd: | now I am lost here :) |
| [19:28:33] | frojnd: | what did I forgot? |
| [19:28:41] | j-rod: | I play regularly myself. most of the watching is 'watch for a bit while doing other things, skip forward 10 min at a time if its uninteresting' |
| [19:28:48] | frojnd: | justinh: I red that howto... |
| [19:29:03] | j-rod: | good games are fun to watch for tactical insight and whatnot |
| [19:29:03] | gbee: | well no password is actually specified, you might try your root password after the '-p' e.g. '-pfoobar' |
| [19:29:16] | frojnd: | gbee: ok |
| [19:29:52] | j-rod: | barca and inter yesterday was an interesting watch, if rather low-scoring |
| [19:30:18] | frojnd: | gresat |
| [19:30:18] | j-rod: | really wish fios would start carrying fsc's hd feed |
| [19:30:32] | j-rod: | then I'd actually be motivated to work on my hdpvr more |
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| [19:34:33] | frojnd: | yes I'm able to connect to backend but no... I'm not I get a question is the master backend running |
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| [19:35:33] | trumee: | why do i get "MythFontProperties, Error: Failed to load 'Thorndale', got 'DejaVu Sans' instead" |
| [19:35:57] | gbee: | trumee: because you don't have Thorndale installed |
| [19:36:14] | gbee: | although that should be a 'Warning' and not an 'Error' |
| [19:36:17] | trumee: | gbee: does myth 0.23 depend on new fonts. never had this issue in 0.22 |
| [19:36:45] | gbee: | trumee: the theme picks the font and yes, the font the theme uses may have changed |
| [19:37:10] | trumee: | gbee: i did not update the themes package from 0.23, maybe that is the issue |
| [19:37:51] | gbee: | or just install the font |
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| [19:38:58] | gbee: | anyone know which deb that would be on Ubuntu? |
| [19:39:11] | trumee: | cant find thorndale font :( |
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| [19:40:54] | frojnd: | a really newbie question.. when I run mythfrontend I get message is the master backend runnning? I connected to the server and ran mythbackend |
| [19:41:00] | frojnd: | but that's not it :D |
| [19:41:08] | gbee: | hmm, neither can I, we should consider distributing it with that theme |
| [19:42:02] | frojnd: | ooooh |
| [19:42:14] | frojnd: | do I have to run mythtv-setup and had X running? |
| [19:43:17] | clever: | frojnd: is the backend actualy running? |
| [19:43:46] | trumee: | gbee: i am using MythCenter theme. find it strange why it would need thorndale font |
| [19:43:56] | frojnd: | clever: It was quite back when I ran mythtv-setup so I don't know I restarted server .. so I dunno (even how to check) |
| [19:44:23] | clever: | frojnd: run 'ps aux|grep mythbackend' |
| [19:44:41] | frojnd: | clever: nope it's not running |
| [19:44:49] | clever: | then thats your problem |
| [19:44:54] | frojnd: | clever: I did tried mythbackend |
| [19:45:00] | frojnd: | but I recieve some errors |
| [19:45:04] | clever: | mythbackend must be ran as the mythtv user |
| [19:45:22] | frojnd: | erm |
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| [19:45:37] | frojnd: | I don't have mythtv user |
| [19:45:38] | clever: | thats how things are usualy set up |
| [19:45:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... or at least not as root ... |
| [19:45:55] | clever: | you might have set it up different |
| [19:46:04] | frojnd: | jeah under my sis's account |
| [19:46:06] | clever: | whatever user you ran mythtv-setup as |
| [19:46:06] | frojnd: | hum |
| [19:46:10] | frojnd: | aha |
| [19:46:11] | frojnd: | :D |
| [19:46:20] | frojnd: | it was defenitally her acc :P |
| [19:46:33] | frojnd: | password that will be a problem now :D |
| [19:46:45] | clever: | if you have root then you can bypass that:P |
| [19:46:50] | frojnd: | or not :D |
| [19:46:59] | frojnd: | I remembered password |
| [19:47:03] | frojnd: | clever: bypass how :) |
| [19:47:10] | gbee: | trumee: why strange? |
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| [19:47:38] | clever: | frojnd: for example, 'sudo -u mythtv -i' will ask for MY pw and then give me a shell for mythtv |
| [19:47:49] | trumee: | gbee: because it is not easy to find this font on th web. Why not use regular fonts lie Bitstream-vera |
| [19:48:06] | justinh: | vera is teh suck |
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| [19:48:17] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs. ** | |
| [19:48:21] | frojnd: | clever: interesting thanx for a tip |
| [19:48:29] | gbee: | trumee: thorndale is prettier |
| [19:48:32] | frojnd: | ok mythbackend is running |
| [19:48:46] | trumee: | gbee:ok, point to me where i can get it from? |
| [19:48:47] | clever: | frojnd: youll also have to run the frontend as that user or youll have more problems |
| [19:48:55] | gbee: | trumee: once I know, you will |
| [19:49:01] | trumee: | gbee: on my gentoo box, i cant find it. |
| [19:49:06] | clever: | and getting the app to run across usernames is a tad tricky |
| [19:49:14] | frojnd: | clever: as user? |
| [19:49:21] | frojnd: | I ran it in my sis account now |
| [19:49:30] | frojnd: | but in frontend I still recieve error messages |
| [19:49:38] | justinh: | gbee: think it might be in ttf-liberation |
| [19:49:40] | clever: | frojnd: yeah, but to connect to the X server (for mythfrontend) it needs access to the x11 cookies |
| [19:49:49] | clever: | frojnd: which are read protected so her acct cant get at them |
| [19:50:40] | frojnd: | clever: I have to go to the server and starx and then mythbackend? under her acc? |
| [19:51:03] | clever: | frojnd: thats the easy way, just start the whole X and everything under her acct |
| [19:51:31] | clever: | what i do is copy the cookie over, so i can keep my X open with my apps, but run just 1 program from another user |
| [19:51:46] | justinh: | trumee: it's funny but searching on "thorndale font ubuntu" I discovered it lives in ttf-liberation |
| [19:51:51] | ** J-e-f-f-A likes cookies. ** | |
| [19:52:03] | frojnd: | clever: how do you do that that you run 1 program ( backend I assume) from some user? |
| [19:52:17] | trumee: | justinh: on gentoo it was tricky. but found the package, thanks |
| [19:53:04] | clever: | frojnd: first, you need to use 'xauth extract something' to copy the cookie to a file, then sudo and chown to make the target user able to read it |
| [19:53:15] | clever: | frojnd: then 'xauth import something' to load it under the new user |
| [19:53:23] | clever: | its all in the xauth man page |
| [19:53:36] | justinh: | it was probably included with that font because it's part of liberation which shouldn't be hard to find |
| [19:54:03] | clever: | frojnd: you might also have to 'unset XAUTHORITY' since it may carry over and point to the wrong file |
| [19:56:36] | gbee: | trumee: anyway, the point is that that warning isn't serious, it won't stop you using the frontend or MythCenter, just that without the correct font it may not appear as it was intended to appear |
| [19:57:26] | justinh: | as for why not use fonts like bitstream vera – have you seen the mess they look? the kerning is awful. letter spacing & placement is often uneven |
| [19:57:27] | frojnd: | clever: I went to the server earlier and startx withing my sis account and started: mythbackend |
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| [19:57:48] | justinh: | and fwiw even as much as 1 pixel displacement is noticable :-( |
| [19:57:50] | clever: | frojnd: mythbackend doesnt need X so its alot easyer to start |
| [19:57:57] | frojnd: | clever: but when running mythfrontend I get: could not connect to the master server... |
| [19:57:58] | clever: | frojnd: the whole problem is around mythfrontend |
| [19:58:18] | clever: | and make sure your backend IP's are set right in mythtv-setup |
| [19:58:26] | iamlindoro: | justinh, 93 post threads on the mailing list have been spawned over less |
| [19:58:29] | frojnd: | clever: they are I think |
| [19:58:32] | justinh: | still kinda weird how some apps exhibit kerning issues & others don't |
| [19:58:39] | clever: | frojnd: confirm it |
| [19:58:45] | frojnd: | clever: is there a way to check without being next to the server but rather remotely? |
| [19:58:47] | justinh: | heh |
| [19:59:07] | justinh: | shoulda killed mythcenter off :) |
| [19:59:12] | clever: | frojnd: can you ssh into the master backend? |
| [19:59:31] | justinh: | or at least spelled it right ;-) |
| [20:00:36] | frojnd: | clever: I don't understand? if I can ssh into master backend? |
| [20:00:41] | frojnd: | clever: u mean ssh into server? |
| [20:00:53] | clever: | frojnd: yeah, the server with the master backend on it |
| [20:01:23] | frojnd: | clever: yeah |
| [20:01:56] | clever: | you should be able to run mythtv-setup on any system and check the IP's |
| [20:02:03] | clever: | and since you can ssh into it, you know what the proper ip is |
| [20:02:36] | gbee: | I personally don't have a problem with Bitstream(Deja-vu) fonts, I've never given much thought to font design, but Vera is constantly billed as a replacement for Arial when in fact the metrics are very different and that's a 'Bad Thing'® |
| [20:03:08] | gbee: | maybe liberation has a true match for Arial, I should investigate that |
| [20:03:29] | iamlindoro: | Bad Thing is a registered trademark of geebeecorp, all rights reserved. Those who are pregnant, and those who may become pregnant should not use Bad thing. |
| [20:04:04] | frojnd: | clever: erm.. I don't understand you. I thought mythtv-setup can only be run on the server on which mythtv is installed... |
| [20:04:19] | clever: | frojnd: yeah, that includes the frontends your trying to get working |
| [20:04:34] | wagnerrp: | those who are not pregnant may become pregnant after witnessing 'Bad Thing' |
| [20:05:03] | gbee: | hmm, apparently Liberation Sans is an exact metric match for Arial ... something to try tonight and possibly squeeze into 0.23 |
| [20:05:28] | iamlindoro: | might as well, .23 might be years off |
| [20:05:35] | ** gbee sues iamlindoro for infringing his trademark in #mythtv ** | |
| [20:05:40] | frojnd: | clever: I was asking how can I check if the IP is set properly... obviously I can't chack this remotelly via ssh |
| [20:05:56] | iamlindoro: | gbee, ah, lower case, though, not used as a proper name :) |
| [20:06:01] | gbee: | :p |
| [20:06:05] | iamlindoro: | it is *a* bad thing, not *the* Bad Thing. |
| [20:06:21] | clever: | frojnd: you could connect directly to mysql and just check the settings |
| [20:07:25] | clever: | frojnd: mysql -u mythtv -ppassword -h host mythconerg -e 'select * from settings where value="BackendServerIP"' |
| [20:10:01] | frojnd: | clever: hum ok thanx for that but I've just noticed that password is not the same for mythtv user :S |
| [20:10:15] | clever: | the password is saved in .mythtv/config.xml |
| [20:10:39] | clever: | mythfrontend/backend read that and use it to find mysqld |
| [20:12:38] | frojnd: | clever: jeah I'm trying this exame password while trying to check if the server's IP is set correctly |
| [20:12:43] | frojnd: | and it's wrong |
| [20:13:09] | clever: | frojnd: you also need to make sure you use -ppassword not -p password |
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| [20:13:59] | frojnd: | clever: -pMyActualPassword ? |
| [20:14:03] | clever: | yeah |
| [20:14:25] | clever: | all the other arguments need a space, mysql is weird like that |
| [20:14:31] | gbee: | since your password might begin with a space |
| [20:14:46] | frojnd: | clever: still wrong password |
| [20:15:02] | clever: | gbee: na, ive always done mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg, and it went to the mythconverg db and asked stdin for the pw |
| [20:15:09] | frojnd: | clever: mysql -u mythtv -pMyPasswordHere -h 192.168.1.45 mythconerg -e 'select * from settings where value="192.168.1.45"' |
| [20:15:30] | clever: | frojnd: the ip your running it from may not have permision to access the database |
| [20:15:39] | clever: | ssh into the backend and run it there |
| [20:15:58] | frojnd: | clever: I'm running this on the server |
| [20:15:59] | clever: | also, its value="BackendServerIP" |
| [20:16:13] | clever: | BackendServerIP is the name of the config entry you are searching for |
| [20:16:58] | clever: | it also helps if i spell mythconerg properly |
| [20:17:00] | frojnd: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [20:17:27] | clever: | frojnd: http://privatepaste.com/80056226b7 |
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| [20:18:04] | clever: | just throw the root name/pw at it then, that should make the bugger work! |
| [20:18:08] | frojnd: | clever: I'm pretty sure it isn't working and now I'm not sure if the users exists ayomore I tried to run locally mysql -u mythtv -p and wrong password |
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| [20:19:39] | frojnd: | hm |
| [20:19:43] | frojnd: | user apperantly exists |
| [20:19:51] | frojnd: | SELECT user FROM mysql .user WHERE user='mythtv'; |
| [20:20:11] | clever: | but what host is it allowed to login from |
| [20:20:43] | frojnd: | clever: I am doing this locally (I'm connected to the server vai ssh) |
| [20:21:00] | frojnd: | clever: but I have also allowed all the ips from 1921.168.1% |
| [20:21:11] | frojnd: | 192.168.1.% |
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| [20:23:54] | frojnd: | clever: that's wicked :D I really has no ideaz :D :D |
| [20:24:42] | wagnerrp: | frojnd: if you arent extremely experienced with mysql, you shouldnt be tinkering with the mysql database |
| [20:25:36] | frojnd: | wagnerrp: I did once :P |
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| [20:26:16] | frojnd: | clever: a progress I've run this command on my computer: mysql -u mythtv -p -h 192.168.1.45 mythconverg -e 'select * from settings where value="BackendServerIP"' and got a table !!! :D | BackendServerIP | 127.0.0.1 | ardoma | |
| [20:26:48] | frojnd: | so it's obviously wrong |
| [20:26:49] | frojnd: | hm |
| [20:27:07] | frojnd: | on the server backend there is 127.0.0.1 which is local ip |
| [20:27:31] | clever: | yeah, that clearly needs to be fixed |
| [20:27:32] | frojnd: | or is this the same? if I'm on the erver my ip is 127.0.0.1 and also 192.168.1.45 correct? |
| [20:27:36] | frojnd: | oh nose |
| [20:27:47] | frojnd: | can it be done remotely? |
| [20:27:50] | clever: | are you using several frontends? |
| [20:27:55] | frojnd: | or do I have to run mythtv-setup |
| [20:28:00] | frojnd: | clever: only one |
| [20:28:03] | frojnd: | clever: for now |
| [20:28:14] | clever: | if its only one then 127.0.0.1 should work, if its set in both places |
| [20:28:36] | frojnd: | clever: how would this work? |
| [20:28:50] | frojnd: | on my computer if I wanna connecet to the sersver I have to enter 192.168.1.45 |
| [20:28:54] | clever: | frojnd: check this next, .... -e 'select * from settings where value="MasterServerIP"' |
| [20:29:12] | frojnd: | if I'd put 127.0.0.1 would try to connect tom my computer where I am physically.. |
| [20:29:41] | frojnd: | clever: | MasterServerIP | 127.0.0.1 | NULL | |
| [20:29:57] | clever: | ok, so aslong as you run mythfrontend on the master backend, everything should simply work |
| [20:30:31] | clever: | if you want to run it outside of the master, youll have to run mythtv-setup (on the master) and change the ip's |
| [20:32:23] | frojnd: | clever: and instead of 127.0.0.1 put there 192.168.1.45 right |
| [20:32:25] | frojnd: | ah |
| [20:32:52] | clever: | yeah, the BackendServerIP and MasterServerIP must match when set in mythtv-setup |
| [20:33:24] | frojnd: | clever: but they do match.. |
| [20:33:29] | frojnd: | clever: they both are 127.0.0.1 |
| [20:33:44] | clever: | while you could set them thru ssh, you could also screw up the entire db easily |
| [20:33:44] | clever: | safer to just use the proper mythtv-setup app |
| [20:33:47] | frojnd: | clever: oh.. ur talking if I'm running frontend outside of the server... |
| [20:34:00] | clever: | yeah, if you want it to be assecible outside the box, for a 2nd system |
| [20:34:07] | clever: | you need to change them both to 192.168.1.45 |
| [20:34:15] | frojnd: | ok thank you |
| [20:34:29] | clever: | if you change just one, things will be worse, mythbackend wont think its the master and it will break too |
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| [20:38:03] | TUplink: | i have a Thermaltake Mozart SX case got the LCD working ad the remote but cant seme to get anything out of the Buttons on the case where should i start? |
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| [20:54:21] | frojnd: | clever: jej, I'm able to conenct to the backend. but unfortunatelly when trying to watch TV there is a sign: please wait. And then I'm within menus again... |
| [20:54:35] | frojnd: | I recive this error: 2010-04–29 22:54:04.666 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started |
| [20:54:53] | frojnd: | and this: 2010-04–29 22:54:04.616 TV Error: HandleStateChange(): LiveTV not successfully started |
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| [21:13:52] | justinh: | frojnd: look in the backend log, not the frontend log |
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| [21:15:50] | spot_: | hi |
| [21:16:07] | spot_: | i am looking to play back high resolution video |
| [21:16:18] | spot_: | beyond 1080p |
| [21:16:28] | spot_: | eg 2560x1600 |
| [21:16:34] | spot_: | eg 4096x2160 |
| [21:16:45] | spot_: | anyone know if this is possible? |
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| [21:18:22] | justinh: | probably is possible, but on what kind of hardware, and of what codec? |
| [21:18:23] | iamlindoro: | resolution is meaningless |
| [21:18:32] | iamlindoro: | bitrate and codec far moreso |
| [21:18:58] | iamlindoro: | But minimally, you won't be doing it with hardware decode, so whatever you do do will need to be doable with whatever CPU you throw at it |
| [21:19:21] | iamlindoro: | so if you want to play back such high resolutions, they'll need to be easy to decode codes and/or painfully low bitrate |
| [21:19:28] | spot_: | hardware only goes up to 2048 |
| [21:19:36] | justinh: | awww |
| [21:19:36] | spot_: | need super high quality |
| [21:19:40] | spot_: | x264 way too slow |
| [21:19:42] | justinh: | awww |
| [21:19:49] | iamlindoro: | x264 is an encoder, not a codec |
| [21:19:51] | spot_: | uncompressed way too much disk, also too slow |
| [21:19:52] | dustybin: | if one writes howtos, should one use blog software or wiki software? |
| [21:20:00] | justinh: | anyway what does all this have to do with mythtv ? |
| [21:20:07] | justinh: | dustybin: you should not write howtos |
| [21:20:21] | dustybin: | justinh: play ncie |
| [21:20:27] | dustybin: | *nice |
| [21:20:27] | iamlindoro: | spot_, So there you go, you'll need more CPU than exists, or to compromise quality. Only options. |
| [21:20:30] | justinh: | dustybin: you should not write howtos |
| [21:20:38] | dustybin: | justinh: topic |
| [21:20:42] | justinh: | dustybin: you should not write howtos |
| [21:20:42] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, You should not write howtos. |
| [21:20:47] | dustybin: | jeeze :( |
| [21:20:47] | iamlindoro: | And yes, dustybin, topic. |
| [21:20:52] | iamlindoro: | as in, MythTV. |
| [21:20:57] | iamlindoro: | Not your random queries |
| [21:21:12] | justinh: | spot_: there are probably specialised systems which can do what you want to do.. which you've not explained the purposes of yet... |
| [21:21:35] | spot_: | the purpose is to see the highest quality video possible! |
| [21:21:42] | iamlindoro: | spot_, From what source? |
| [21:21:46] | justinh: | upscaling HD video won't make it look any better |
| [21:21:49] | spot_: | yes there are specialized systems: doremi labs for example |
| [21:21:51] | justinh: | crap in == crap out |
| [21:21:53] | spot_: | very very expesnive |
| [21:22:09] | iamlindoro: | there is no source of such high resolution video that are for consumer use |
| [21:22:15] | iamlindoro: | spot_, Are you attempting to use MythTV? |
| [21:22:18] | spot_: | source is software renderer (the electric sheep actually) |
| [21:22:22] | sphery: | gbee: heh, love your definition of Chrome. It's so perfect. |
| [21:22:33] | spot_: | i would use mythtv if you said it could do this |
| [21:22:47] | spot_: | i am looking for *any* way to do it without spending $30000 |
| [21:23:03] | justinh: | weird |
| [21:23:14] | iamlindoro: | spot_, application has little to do with it-- no matter what app you use, it will need to be capable of decoding the video in CPU-- and at those resolutions, the bitrate and quality will need to be compromised to be decoded on CPU on anything you can buy |
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| [21:23:38] | iamlindoro: | So if you want to do it, be prepared to buy professional, expensive equipment. |
| [21:23:45] | iamlindoro: | Or be prepared to give up quality. |
| [21:23:50] | iamlindoro: | But those are your only options |
| [21:23:57] | spot_: | with clever programming it's possible with commdity hardware |
| [21:24:00] | justinh: | didn't know what electric sheep was.. but having found out – it's got bog all to do with video playback |
| [21:24:22] | ** Captain_Murdoch checks ups.com and sees his dual-core atom motherboard that only requires a 20-pin power supply connector for $64.99 because it was an openbox arrived today. ** | |
| [21:24:22] | iamlindoro: | spot_, What "clever programming" is it you have in mind? |
| [21:24:40] | ** justinh smells a troll ** | |
| [21:24:49] | iamlindoro: | spot_, What you've been told is reality-- if you don't have any queries about MythTV, that's all we have to tell you |
| [21:25:23] | spot_: | the query is, can it handle this kind of playback |
| [21:25:27] | spot_: | sounds like the answer is "no" |
| [21:25:39] | spot_: | thanks for you attention |
| [21:25:46] | ** iamlindoro chuckles ** | |
| [21:25:47] | iamlindoro: | k, bye |
| [21:25:56] | iamlindoro: | good luck finding your unicorn |
| [21:26:18] | spot_: | well if you want to know how it's possible i can explain it to you, but sounds like it's not related to mythtv |
| [21:26:26] | justinh: | what? |
| [21:26:28] | iamlindoro: | sounds like it's not, I'm all set, thanks |
| [21:26:28] | spot_: | so you might not be interested |
| [21:26:34] | iamlindoro: | Nope, definitely not interested |
| [21:26:35] | iamlindoro: | good luck |
| [21:26:39] | justinh: | and bye |
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| [21:26:46] | keith4: | wow |
| [21:26:50] | keith4: | was he for real? |
| [21:27:00] | iamlindoro: | who knows/cares |
| [21:27:10] | justinh: | the guy whose blog is linked to from electricsheep.org is called spot, funnily enough |
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| [21:28:53] | justinh: | oh no. no no no no no. you won't wanna know where I now think that was going. ahahaha. P2P video rendering anybody? :P |
| [21:29:17] | iamlindoro: | And presumably he thought you could p2p the decode too |
| [21:29:57] | wagnerrp: | p2p? or grid rendering? |
| [21:30:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | using a Dell R810 w/ 4 of the new 6-way processors in it, he might have a chance if the decode was threaded. |
| [21:30:21] | wagnerrp: | p2p is starting to become a catch-all term for anything using more than one computer |
| [21:30:51] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch, <spot_> with clever programming it's possible with commdity hardware |
| [21:30:55] | justinh: | wonder what kind of junk is in 4k movie editing gear |
| [21:30:56] | iamlindoro: | if only you were more clever! |
| [21:31:00] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: you would probably have no trouble doing something like huffman or mjpeg |
| [21:31:12] | justinh: | but methinks they just use stuff like mjpeg |
| [21:31:27] | justinh: | and massively fast IO |
| [21:31:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | like that hdmi capture card. |
| [21:31:31] | wagnerrp: | justinh: some simple hardware compressor (like huffman or mjpeg), and gobs of IO |
| [21:31:41] | justinh: | yeah gobs & gobs of it |
| [21:31:59] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: i didnt think the blackmagic card did any form of compression |
| [21:32:05] | wagnerrp: | i through that was done by the windows software |
| [21:32:29] | justinh: | anyhoo.. it's a very big ask for a home computing setup |
| [21:32:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | might be, I can't recall. I just wanted to mention the 24-way 2U server for kicks. :) |
| [21:32:57] | wagnerrp: | only 24-way? childs play |
| [21:33:02] | justinh: | as for why you'd wanna look at stoner videos in that kind of resolution... erm.. |
| [21:33:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, not many children that size in a 2U box. :) |
| [21:33:29] | iamlindoro: | The RED cameras use a custom codec that is essentially sequential RAW |
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| [21:33:48] | wagnerrp: | were looking at getting a couple supermicro boxes that are 48-way in a single box |
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| [21:33:58] | wagnerrp: | single 2U box |
| [21:34:19] | Captain_Murdoch: | considering I can put 20 of those in a rack. 480 cores in 70" of rack space. |
| [21:34:40] | wagnerrp: | although its actually four separate systems hot-slotted into a 2U case, with a shared power supply |
| [21:34:54] | justinh: | yeah electric sheep == stoner videos. meh |
| [21:34:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | and that's leaving 11U for my patch panels, cable mgmt, and switches. |
| [21:34:58] | wagnerrp: | four, dual processor, hex-core boxes |
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| [21:35:38] | wagnerrp: | basically, one box that can replace a full rack on our current cluster |
| [21:36:02] | wagnerrp: | and be ridiculously low and power consuming in the process |
| [21:36:16] | wagnerrp: | s/low/loud/ |
| [21:36:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | yep, it's massive. we're looking at replacing racks worth of servers with a single rack of just the dual-socket x55xx chip servers. |
| [21:37:15] | ** Captain_Murdoch is afk ** | |
| [21:37:26] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-April/287607.html |
| [21:37:29] | iamlindoro: | ok, seriously |
| [21:37:38] | iamlindoro: | does that guy EVER open his mouth without saying something irritating? |
| [21:37:50] | iamlindoro: | "And/or why hasn't this been done?" |
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| [21:38:16] | Wicked: | hmm. we lost power here very briefly and ive got my backend booted back up and i just went to watch some tv with a frontend....but it now wontplay livetv...so i went to my video in mythtv...and the mythtvideo screen will not load...i hit enter and it just sits there...im not seeing any huge error in either the frontend or backend logs...what the heck could be going on? |
| [21:38:37] | iamlindoro: | most commonly, crashed DB |
| [21:39:04] | Wicked: | http://pastebin.com/x5UgTxNb |
| [21:39:10] | Wicked: | thats front/backend logs.... |
| [21:39:51] | Wicked: | not sure if this would be related either...but the frontend seems slow...i hit down and there is a slight delay before the it moves down in the menu |
| [21:39:57] | ** sphery guesses it's a broken filesystem that's unmounted ** | |
| [21:40:00] | Wicked: | and when the menu switches its kinda slow |
| [21:40:22] | Wicked: | sphery, it checked fs's and everything appears to be mounted proper |
| [21:40:59] | sphery: | well, it's not finding your files, so something seems borked |
| [21:41:05] | Wicked: | indeed |
| [21:41:20] | sphery: | could be your time is off on them |
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| [21:41:36] | Wicked: | what do you mean my time is off on them? |
| [21:41:45] | sphery: | we let you start if you're up to 20min off (warning you if you're more than 5), but things won't work (especially livetv) |
| [21:41:54] | sphery: | like they don't agree what time it is |
| [21:42:00] | Wicked: | oh |
| [21:42:01] | Wicked: | let me see |
| [21:42:31] | Wicked: | both front and backend times appear to be the same |
| [21:42:33] | Wicked: | and correct |
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| [21:43:09] | sphery: | ok, so the not finding files is only autoexpire |
| [21:43:24] | sphery: | and there's no log messages showing you trying to start livetv |
| [21:43:36] | sphery: | so I don't know what would cause livetv issues--no info to even guess |
| [21:43:49] | sphery: | but make sure your file systems aren't full, too |
| [21:43:52] | Wicked: | im sorry. that log may not have been from the livetv |
| [21:44:00] | Wicked: | i think i may have copied the wrong sessions |
| [21:44:34] | Wicked: | mysqlcheck --auto-repair did not find anything bogus in mythconverg |
| [21:44:50] | Wicked: | 30 gigs free on the mythtv drive |
| [21:44:55] | Wicked: | plenty of space on the os drive |
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| [21:45:22] | Wicked: | but i cannot even get into the mythtvideo menu |
| [21:45:51] | Wicked: | i goto media library -> watch videos....and nothing happens |
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| [21:49:23] | Wicked: | hmm on the frontend machine...i moved ~/.mythtv for temp.....and started mythfrontend....it seems to be able to load the mythvideo section ok |
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| [21:49:28] | Wicked: | menus still seem super slow |
| [21:49:39] | Wicked: | lets see if what its using to render. |
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| [21:50:56] | Wicked: | hmm....weird. |
| [21:51:01] | Wicked: | i cant change the theme |
| [21:51:32] | Wicked: | and its using terra...but in the theme selection part its saying im still using mythcenter-wide....i was previously using that |
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| [21:51:56] | Wicked: | and there is now a serious delay in keypress's |
| [21:52:06] | Wicked: | i hit a key and its taking around 1–2 seconds to respond |
| [21:52:15] | wagnerrp: | does the jobqueue quote the replacement strings (e.g. %SUBTITLE%) on its own? or does it expect the provided command string to have all the necessary quoting in it? |
| [21:53:13] | sphery: | Wicked: can't change the theme because you had specified a broken theme |
| [21:53:19] | sphery: | Wicked: so change the theme, then exit, then restart |
| [21:53:31] | sphery: | and the theme will magically be changed |
| [21:55:02] | Wicked: | ah it did change...but things still seem wrong...everything in myth is super slow...and i still cannot watch livetv. let met pastebin the error |
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| [21:56:02] | Wicked: | http://pastebin.com/3JzNxFq5 |
| [21:56:08] | Wicked: | :o i think its a vdpau error |
| [21:56:29] | Wicked: | weird though as this all worked lastnight |
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| [21:57:26] | sphery: | Wicked: resource starvation is likely... that would go along with the 'everything is very slow' issue |
| [21:57:41] | sphery: | free |
| [21:57:47] | Wicked: | hmm ok |
| [21:57:55] | Wicked: | let me poke around |
| [21:58:32] | gbee: | Wicked: run top, anything hogging CPU, IO, or memory? |
| [21:58:45] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1603 . . . uy-uk-friday --end of first paragraph |
| [21:59:12] | sphery: | someone should warn gbee and justinh that's not necessarily the case (and is generally seen as completely wrong over here) |
| [22:00:12] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [22:00:31] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its never good when you know enough to know the salesmen know nothing |
| [22:01:27] | sphery: | Wow, Maverick Meerkat with the Me Menu |
| [22:01:36] | sphery: | they really went all-out on the M's this time |
| [22:04:05] | sphery: | Though they missed an opportunity with "Ubuntu One Music Store"... Could have been "Ubuntu Matchless Music Megaplex" |
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| [22:04:06] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuartm | |
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| [22:04:31] | stuartm: | sphery: by comparison with PC World staff, simply knowing where the on/off switch would rate as tech-saavy over here |
| [22:05:28] | sphery: | heh, I see... They usually know that much in the "Geek Squad" |
| [22:06:27] | sphery: | as a matter of fact, some of those guys are savvy enough to have set up remote access to webcams on users' PC's--with predictable purposes/results |
| [22:06:34] | wagnerrp: | sphery: hey now, the geek squad people know enough to set up a multi-terabyte file server to store all the music, videos, and porn they can scrape off of clients' machines |
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| [22:07:20] | sphery: | *This is not an indichtment of the Best Buy corporation, it's Geek Squad as a whole, or ... It is merely a reference to a couple of isolated incidents. |
| [22:07:48] | sphery: | s/indichtment/indictment/ s/it's/its/ |
| [22:07:54] | sphery: | can't type today |
| [22:08:06] | Saviq: | hi all, I have a video that's converted into .nuv and now the FE won't seek properly, --rebuild didn't help, unfortunately, is there a way I could remux it back into .mpg? or fix the .nuv, maybe? |
| [22:08:41] | stuartm: | on one hand I'm glad that we finally have some competition, PC World has been the only large computer retailer with a physical presence in the UK for as long as I can remember, and it shows, they don't know their arses from their elbows and everything is grossly overpriced (as much as 4x in some cases) |
| [22:09:39] | sphery: | Saviq: won't seek properly = ??? |
| [22:10:02] | stuartm: | on the other hand, I know that Best Buy are still going to be paying the same wage as PC World and thus attract the kind of staff who'd struggle to get a job at Burger King |
| [22:10:06] | Saviq: | sphery: when I start to seek it exits playback |
| [22:10:25] | sphery: | Saviq: are you using current 0.23-fixes? |
| [22:10:39] | sphery: | if not, I recommend upgrading. An issue like that was recently fixed. |
| [22:11:57] | stuartm: | I'd stand up for the independant retailers, but the last decent one around here packed up and moved to Manchester 60 miles away ... then promptly went bust |
| [22:14:09] | stuartm: | a few others around but they are all the same, selling mostly cheap junk and having very little stock – fine if you can wait while they order in what you want, but if that's the case you might as well go online and save the hassle/cost |
| [22:15:10] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [22:15:22] | sphery: | it's getting to be like that over here, too |
| [22:15:37] | sphery: | CompUSA went out of business (then the name got sold to TigerDirect) |
| [22:15:58] | sphery: | OfficeMax went out of business |
| [22:16:22] | sphery: | OfficeDepot has almost no stock. Staples is better, but still very limited. |
| [22:17:02] | sphery: | Best Buy is about all we have left, but they have a specific type of user to whom they cater--and it's not the non-Windows user. :) |
| [22:17:35] | stuartm: | last time I was in staples they had a decent selection of laptops, although tiny by online standards, and not much else |
| [22:17:41] | stuartm: | well printers, lots of printers |
| [22:18:15] | sphery: | lots of multifunction printers here... don't seem to have much in the way of just printers or just scanners |
| [22:20:30] | stuartm: | what I want is somewhere I can go to pick up something in the same day, get exactly what I want in terms of model and not pay over the odds |
| [22:20:43] | sphery: | that would be wonderful |
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| [22:22:20] | stuartm: | I'm willing to pay a very small premium for same day if it's an emergency, or a low cost item that I simply can't justify paying the delivery charge on, in general though I'd still go online to find the lowest price |
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| [22:24:05] | stuartm: | otherwise all that these outlets are good for is seeing something first hand, e.g. trying out a mouse, seeing the build quality on a laptop or the image on a monitor |
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| [22:25:49] | stuartm: | I've gone into PC World, found a nice laptop then used it to lookup the online price ;) Leaving it on-screen for the next customer of course :p |
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| [22:26:53] | dustybin: | lol |
| [22:28:48] | clever: | stuartm: next time, take a screenshot and set it as the desktop wallpaper |
| [22:29:08] | clever: | it will take them a few hours of clicking the X in the corner before they figure out the problem |
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| [22:59:49] | frojnd: | Anyone finds anything suspecious about backend? I'm researching why I can't watch tv: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/207820/ |
| [23:00:15] | skd5aner: | what would be suspicious? |
| [23:01:17] | skd5aner: | you might have to check your start channel for each input within mythtv-setup |
| [23:01:25] | skd5aner: | make sure it's a valid, tunable channel |
| [23:01:33] | frojnd: | skd5aner: ah.. I knwo what it is.. |
| [23:01:47] | skd5aner: | Either that, or you don't have channels at all assigned to your sources? |
| [23:01:54] | frojnd: | I think my card is not working as it should.. I now remember that I also tried to capture the video with xawtv |
| [23:02:12] | frojnd: | when I wanna ato see the picture all I could see was white noise |
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| [23:02:24] | skd5aner: | k, good luck |
| [23:02:33] | frojnd: | and I have 02:07.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) |
| [23:02:39] | frojnd: | which is supported him |
| [23:02:43] | frojnd: | hum* |
| [23:05:25] | sphery: | it is what skd5aner said--your input connections aren't configured properly |
| [23:05:33] | sphery: | set setarting channel after adding channels to each video source |
| [23:05:41] | sphery: | starting channel |
| [23:06:00] | sphery: | also, looks like you don't have any storage groups |
| [23:06:08] | sphery: | frojnd: meaning you probably haven't even run mythtv-setup |
| [23:06:23] | iamlindoro: | and if you have, you thought some steps were optional-- they aren't |
| [23:06:33] | iamlindoro: | They are numbered, and in order, for a reason |
| [23:06:41] | iamlindoro: | because you need to do each of them, properly, in order |
| [23:10:14] | skd5aner: | sphery: oh sure, blame your "MS" mouse :P |
| [23:10:25] | skd5aner: | sphery: cause we all know logitech mice are flawless ;) |
| [23:10:32] | skd5aner: | lol |
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| [23:14:44] | frojnd: | sphery: no I don't have any storage groups :D |
| [23:14:44] | iamlindoro: | There, now people can have their precious automatic parental ratings again |
| [23:14:50] | frojnd: | sphery: actually I don't wannt them :D |
| [23:14:54] | iamlindoro: | Tough |
| [23:14:57] | iamlindoro: | you can't avoid them |
| [23:15:03] | frojnd: | we only have like 5 chans and quality is not so great :P analog tv |
| [23:15:12] | iamlindoro: | anything you watch in myth is a recording |
| [23:15:18] | iamlindoro: | which means it needs to go somewhere |
| [23:15:22] | frojnd: | and while I'm asking how can I mount some more of my illegal/leagal HD movies? |
| [23:15:38] | frojnd: | iamlindoro: oh than I have to find some GB |
| [23:15:56] | iamlindoro: | frojnd, See the channel rules, talking about stealing your content is a violation of them |
| [23:16:36] | frojnd: | iamlindoro: I understand won't happened again. |
| [23:16:36] | skd5aner: | why would you even say that, either way? I can't believe the stuff that people say some times |
| [23:17:13] | frojnd: | skd5aner: it slipped my mind, pardon, no offense |
| [23:17:31] | skd5aner: | "Look at me, I'm a theif! I'm going to flaunt it for no valid reason" – like you're proud or something? Anyway, moving along... |
| [23:18:25] | skd5aner: | none taken, personally, it's your words not mine... |
| [23:18:40] | frojnd: | I did run mythtv-setup a couple of times actually (don't remember if in order) but was not lucky with getting any picture from channels |
| [23:18:49] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: "automatic parental ratings" – you're populating them via TMDB data? |
| [23:19:17] | iamlindoro: | Yes. The TMDB API now supports movie ratings-- Automatic parental level from movie ratings strings has been around for ages, it just works with TMDB now |
| [23:20:15] | iamlindoro: | Of course, relatively few movies have their ratings set, so people are going to need to contribute... this, as always, is the fatal flaw |
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| [23:21:03] | frojnd: | what are you guys talking about? TV movies or DVD/HD movies? |
| [23:21:20] | skd5aner: | duh, I read the commit wrong... I was thinking of "ratings" as in, "stars/reviews"... you mean MPAA/etc ratings (G-NC-17), correct? |
| [23:21:46] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, correct |
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| [23:22:15] | skd5aner: | frojnd: anything within mythvideo, that would have movie metadata associated with it, pulled via tmdb |
| [23:22:46] | frojnd: | even beetter :) cool |
| [23:22:51] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I think that's a cool feature, for parents... I've noticed the ratings settings for a long time, but never played with them |
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| [23:23:00] | skd5aner: | Nice to see they're autopopulated |
| [23:23:02] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, First thing I ever wrote for Myth |
| [23:23:17] | skd5aner: | I thought that was the trailers patch? |
| [23:23:25] | iamlindoro: | nope, trailers was at least a yaer later |
| [23:23:29] | iamlindoro: | year |
| [23:23:36] | skd5aner: | ah, well... good deal |
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| [23:25:29] | skd5aner: | of course, if I was an enterprising 15 year old who really wanted to watch my Dad's copy of Showgirls, I suppose I could just sign up to TMBD, edit the entry from NC17 to G, and do a metadata refresh, and be good to go |
| [23:26:09] | iamlindoro: | not exactly |
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| [23:26:21] | iamlindoro: | plus, if you were smart enough to do that, you'd just open a file browser and play the video |
| [23:26:28] | skd5aner: | Of course, it's not like there's a bazillion other ways for kids to see boobies a lot easier than that |
| [23:26:29] | Wicked: | turns out my issue earlier was somehow during updates the nvidia driver was removed...and im guessing mythfrontend was set to use vdpau profile...so it was super slow in the menus and videos would not play. |
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| [23:27:34] | skd5aner: | But with that now, and the childish theme, it's looking way better for a kid-oriented myth experience |
| [23:28:42] | skd5aner: | The childish theme is a bit inspiring – would be cool to maybe build a few more child-oriented themes, maybe themed for different ages or girls or boys, etc... just nice to see someone come up with the idea and theme |
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| [23:29:45] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: of course, I'd like to see some more slick themes for me... I'm guessing even if you are working on one you probably aren't as open to sharing your plans with the world this go around |
| [23:31:09] | iamlindoro: | If I was, I might not share it, all everyone seems to care about is preserving MythCenter or $RandomOtherAncientPOS ;) |
| [23:31:27] | wagnerrp: | Blue FTW!!!oneone1!one |
| [23:32:32] | skd5aner: | eh, not me... happy to be part of the "secret new theme beta tester society" (if such a thing exists – who knows, since it's "Secret" eh?) |
| [23:32:46] | wagnerrp: | its double secret |
| [23:32:57] | wagnerrp: | you can be a probationary member |
| [23:33:06] | skd5aner: | as long as it's not double secret probation... ooooh, beat me to it |
| [23:33:31] | iamlindoro: | The first rule of theme test club is... |
| [23:33:46] | wagnerrp: | dont vomit on the dean? |
| [23:33:57] | skd5aner: | you know though, give credit where credit is due, some of those old themes were good (for what they were). I was a big fan of Project Grayhem for years... was hard to adjust to something new, but haven't looked back |
| [23:34:16] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: they were good given the limitation of the then UI |
| [23:34:22] | skd5aner: | yup |
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| [23:34:59] | iamlindoro: | So there we go-- 58 / 264 non-Television items in mythvideo have ratings after going through them with the new API enhancements |
| [23:35:09] | iamlindoro: | leaving 206 as "NR" |
| [23:35:15] | iamlindoro: | meaning we have a lot of work to do at TMDB ;) |
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| [23:38:35] | skd5aner: | does jamu.py -MR (or any other mode) allow you to manually enter a different movie title? |
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| [23:38:44] | skd5aner: | to search upon |
| [23:39:01] | wagnerrp: | interactive mode will, if it doesnt find a match on its own |
| [23:39:50] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: Not a different movie title but a non listed TMDB/TVDB number plus there is a URL on the list right to the site search so you can do a cut and paste. |
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| [23:40:30] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: -MR is interactive mode, except it just populates the TMDB/TTVDB # without downloading the actual metadata, however I'm not seeing an option to explicitly search a new title, just pick the numbers it brings back |
| [23:41:05] | skd5aner: | sorry, just TMDB (-MW includes TTVDB) |
| [23:41:30] | skd5aner: | RDV_Linux: do you have an alert setup that if anyone types "jamu" in IRC that it instantly zaps you to life? :D |
| [23:41:54] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: Yes I have alerts for all my scripts |
| [23:42:45] | skd5aner: | RDV_Linux: I'm finding that some of my titles are just a small bit off, for example, my "Super Troopers" ISO is actually "supertroopers.iso", so nothing returns at all |
| [23:43:23] | skd5aner: | would be nice to say "nothing returned, please try to manually enter title" or something like that, in addition to a skip option already present |
| [23:43:53] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: Sounds like a new feature request to me;) |
| [23:43:58] | skd5aner: | RDV_Linux: cool, I figured – you're always on the ball when someone brings jamu up, it's a little spooky sometimes ;) |
| [23:44:22] | skd5aner: | RDV_Linux: I'm assuming you're more than happy to consider a patch if I were to submit one, lol |
| [23:44:22] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: My name is not Mulder |
| [23:44:37] | ** iamlindoro changes like 50 movies at TMDB's ratings ** | |
| [23:44:41] | iamlindoro: | you're welcome, future generations |
| [23:44:47] | QED__ is now known as christ_ | |
| [23:45:03] | skd5aner: | Too bad you listed all those Disney movies as R |
| [23:45:18] | iamlindoro: | NC-17 |
| [23:45:27] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: Yes of course patches are always welcome. Just make sure you supply one for both the TMDB and TVDB interactive modes please |
| [23:46:17] | skd5aner: | RDV_Linux: a little beyond my current skillset at the moment, anyway – was just curious if it was a current feature and I somehow missed it or what... thanks RDV_Linux |
| [23:46:44] | skd5aner: | btw, today is the first time I'm testing the new bugfix that fixes the issue I discovered with certain movies not returning |
| [23:46:49] | skd5aner: | working good so far, thanks! |
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| [23:49:38] | iamlindoro: | I love that all this work I'm doing does absolutely squat for the UK folks, who get to go set their own ratings |
| [23:50:41] | iamlindoro: | I really ought to stop looking up the ratings for the movies that are clearly R or G |
| [23:50:48] | iamlindoro: | like, why did I just go look up "Bad Boys?" |
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| [23:52:22] | skd5aner: | Because now-a-days, that would get a PG-13 rating |
| [23:52:57] | skd5aner: | Also, does TMBD handle different international ratings? |
| [23:53:05] | iamlindoro: | no, but TMDB does |
| [23:53:39] | skd5aner: | thanks, MIKE LOWREY |
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| [23:54:22] | iamlindoro: | And that means all this US-centric work I'm doing gets to be repeated by each locale |
| [23:54:23] | iamlindoro: | yay! |
| [23:54:47] | skd5aner: | Go Team America |
| [23:55:32] | iamlindoro: | Here's another one-- boogie nights |
| [23:55:35] | iamlindoro: | not looking that up |
| [23:56:12] | skd5aner: | hehe, Dirk Digler |
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| [23:57:05] | iamlindoro: | Some are genuinely surprising... like Blazing Saddles being R |
| [23:58:35] | skd5aner: | RDV_Linux: jamu -MR still skils when processing "SPINAL_TAP" "themoviedb.com does not recognize the movie (SPINAL TAP) – Cannot update metadata – skipping" |
| [23:58:53] | skd5aner: | s/skils/skips |
| [23:59:17] | skd5aner: | of course, the movie is officially called "This is Spinal Tap" I believe |
| [23:59:50] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: Yes I used that one as a test case, but you file name is just to far off for a match. |
| [23:59:59] | skd5aner: | but, I would still think that "spinal tap" would bring up something. Searching "spinal tap" on tmdb.org, takes you straight to the movie |
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