| Wednesday, April 28th, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:50] | kdorf: | Say, if I have a set top box that sends TV out to a tuner, do I need to buy any specific kind of tuner or will any of them do? If it matters, it's a directv box. I was looking through the linuxTV wiki but they don't have a lot of "getting started" information |
| [00:01:12] | kdorf: | well, any of them meaning any that have linux hardware support :-) |
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| [00:12:36] | gizmobay: | kdorf, I have a STB and I just S-video out to my tuner card |
| [00:12:45] | abqjp: | kdorf: depends on if you want to capture HD or SD. |
| [00:13:00] | gizmobay: | HD is a different game |
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| [00:15:17] | abqjp: | kdorf: if you want HD, currently your *only* choice is http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HDPVR. If you want SD, then any capture card with S-Video in, that is supported in Linux, will work. |
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| [00:17:08] | kdorf: | abqjp, gizmobay: thanks for the responses. HD is what I was shooting for :-) |
| [00:17:50] | gizmobay: | You need something like the HDPVR |
| [00:17:59] | gizmobay: | by Hauppauge |
| [00:19:34] | kdorf: | OK, my set-top has coaxial out to TV or S-video... I can't imagine S-video would do the job :-( |
| [00:20:05] | gizmobay: | No, you need the RGB cables |
| [00:20:21] | gizmobay: | for HD |
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| [00:25:37] | kdorf: | i'm surprised the hauppauge doesn't have a coax in. kind of disappointing. I will need some kind of intermediate device, it would seem |
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| [00:27:19] | gizmobay: | HD is encrypted, so the STB sends a RGB signal to your TV. The HDPVR grabs the unencrypted signal |
| [00:28:05] | kdorf: | right. but the only output the set top has that can carry HD is coax. |
| [00:28:20] | kdorf: | otherwise S-video or composite |
| [00:28:36] | kdorf: | there is a "TV Out" coax connection |
| [00:28:49] | gizmobay: | You sure the box is HD? |
| [00:28:49] | kdorf: | which is kind of odd, really. not sure why they didn't just throw component or something on there. |
| [00:29:27] | kdorf: | I would assume as much. I'll look into it. |
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| [00:32:36] | kdorf: | hmm. right. this one is not. that explains a lot >.> |
| [00:34:26] | gizmobay: | I have that too. One box is and one isn't |
| [00:36:12] | clever: | gizmobay: it could be as simple as an option hidden in the firmware, once you pay double they flick it on:P |
| [00:37:19] | sphery: | OTA ftw! |
| [00:38:41] | clever: | sphery: would a plain HDTV be capable of tuning OTA? |
| [00:42:03] | gizmobay: | One box has the RGB and the other doesn't |
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| [00:45:17] | sphery: | clever: TTBOMK, all HDTV's have built-in ATSC tuners. HD Ready TV's don't. Haven't seen HD Ready for years, though, so it would have to be an old high-definition TV to not be able to tune OTA. |
| [00:45:52] | sphery: | but when you have MythTV, you don't need the tuner in the TV, anyway. :) |
| [00:45:58] | resno: | if you had choose between apple tv, a mac mini or a machine running linux for frontend, which would it be? |
| [00:47:13] | sphery: | GNU/Linux system |
| [00:47:29] | sphery: | possibly running on Mac Mini hardware (if you like--and if you get a sufficiently good CPU) |
| [00:47:29] | resno: | you think its superior? |
| [00:47:39] | sphery: | Well, for MythTV, it's far superior |
| [00:48:03] | sphery: | as the Mac support is still in its infancy |
| [00:48:10] | sphery: | (and Windows support isn't born, yet) |
| [00:48:32] | resno: | heh, i like the minis size, etc |
| [00:49:26] | sphery: | it's not bad hardware if you have a 2.6GHz Core 2 Duo or better |
| [00:49:36] | sphery: | just run GNU/Linux on it :) |
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| [00:50:13] | resno: | you can run linux on the mac mini? |
| [00:50:36] | resno: | but i would need solid cpu though right? |
| [00:50:50] | sphery: | definitely best off having a good CPU for a frontend |
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| [00:51:32] | mag0o: | sphery: gotta have a tuner in the tv so the wifey isn't tempted to run mythavtest to watch tv ;) |
| [00:51:42] | resno: | what would be the min for a cpu? core 2 duo? |
| [00:51:43] | sphery: | some are going with the "I'll just use an nvidia card that supports VDPAU and a lame CPU that can't handle my needs and expect that nvidia will always support my video card and all the video types I will ever want to play" |
| [00:52:09] | sphery: | I recommend the good-CPU-so-you're-not-reliant-on-nvidia's-drivers-just-in-case approach |
| [00:52:22] | resno: | yea, i like that way better too |
| [00:52:33] | sphery: | resno: I recommend 2.6GHz Core 2 Duo or better... Better preferred |
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| [00:53:12] | sphery: | though if you're planning to do high-bitrate/high-resolution H.264 video, you may need substantially more (and/or VDPAU) |
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| [00:53:35] | sphery: | the HD-PVR does high-bitrate/high-resolution H.264, btw |
| [00:55:23] | resno: | so whats the recommended process then? |
| [00:55:32] | resno: | processor? |
| [00:56:37] | sphery: | I'll leave specific answers to other people :) |
| [00:57:03] | resno: | heh o |
| [00:57:57] | tank-man: | stick with standard definition resolutions, easier and cheaper |
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| [00:58:10] | ** mag0o pulls out his win-tv card ** | |
| [01:00:55] | resno: | i know yall prob get tired of these convos |
| [01:01:30] | mag0o: | sphery likes them, it's a challenge to see if he's forgotten anything |
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| [01:03:01] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:03:52] | resno: | i help support on another channel, and after about a month or so, you just want to literally kick people |
| [01:04:08] | sphery: | mag0o: btw, congrats |
| [01:04:53] | mag0o: | thanks :) |
| [01:05:01] | mag0o: | surprised more than anything |
| [01:07:15] | sphery: | shouldn't be surprised |
| [01:07:22] | sphery: | it's a great theme |
| [01:08:03] | mag0o: | i appreciate all of the help i got with it, and the curiosity it sparked |
| [01:08:10] | ** mag0o goes back to c++ 101 ** | |
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| [01:08:13] | mag0o: | :) |
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| [01:08:53] | sphery: | I'm still looking forward to Lite |
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| [01:20:48] | wagnerrp: | any opinions on these recent changes by Jalbrizio? http://mythtv.org/wiki?title=User_Manual%3AIn . . . ;oldid=40204 |
| [01:21:02] | wagnerrp: | the site /seems/ legitimate, if perhaps pretty worthless |
| [01:21:26] | wagnerrp: | but the fact that someone created an account just to add an external link to the wiki, and to the user manual no less |
| [01:21:31] | wagnerrp: | throws up some flags for me |
| [01:21:45] | sphery: | yeah, seems wrong... |
| [01:22:09] | sphery: | though, you're right... it does seem to have related info |
| [01:22:19] | mag0o: | Lite is still in the works and coming along nicely |
| [01:22:25] | sphery: | yay! |
| [01:22:30] | wagnerrp: | well it does seem to be related, i did say it had any significant amount of info |
| [01:22:34] | wagnerrp: | s/did/didnt/ |
| [01:23:39] | wagnerrp: | dont we already have a distro-specific install category anyway? |
| [01:23:46] | sphery: | the admin contact for the site seems correct based on the wiki user's name |
| [01:24:24] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Packages has links to all the binary packages/distros |
| [01:24:38] | sphery: | including site home page and fora |
| [01:24:43] | wagnerrp: | Category:Distribution_Specific_Install_Guides |
| [01:24:46] | sphery: | distro, that is |
| [01:24:58] | sphery: | ah, cool |
| [01:25:19] | sphery: | wow... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Windows |
| [01:25:25] | sphery: | the ToC is even too long to read |
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| [01:26:13] | sphery: | resno: btw, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_ . . . using_Ubuntu |
| [01:26:19] | sphery: | thank wagnerrp for finding it :) |
| [01:26:28] | wagnerrp: | yeah, im going to remove that link in the manual |
| [01:26:32] | wagnerrp: | and reference these two instead |
| [01:26:36] | sphery: | might be sorely out of date, though |
| [01:27:02] | wagnerrp: | even if that is legitimate, i just dont like the (unofficial wiki) manual linking to an external site directly |
| [01:28:17] | sphery: | yeah, and most of the links in the menu bar on that page seem to be broken |
| [01:28:19] | sphery: | so... |
| [01:28:56] | sphery: | though maybe he's just starting to set it up |
| [01:29:31] | wagnerrp: | no, check the edit dates, that page was last edited over 3 months ago |
| [01:29:33] | sphery: | OK, I think it is actually legit... http://wiki.yoursupportstore.com/index.php?title=Main_Page |
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| [01:29:53] | wagnerrp: | still, IMHO, he should keep it on site |
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| [01:29:56] | ak74: | hello |
| [01:29:59] | sphery: | yeah, that would be best |
| [01:30:07] | sphery: | hello |
| [01:30:13] | wagnerrp: | edit the pages on the mythtv.org wiki if he wants to keep something up to date |
| [01:30:20] | ak74: | anyone here help set up a tv tuner card? |
| [01:30:34] | wagnerrp: | depends on how far along you are |
| [01:30:53] | ak74: | I have it to where it recoginizes it |
| [01:31:03] | ak74: | but I don't get any channels |
| [01:31:07] | resno: | thanks sphery for the link |
| [01:31:09] | wagnerrp: | analog or digital? |
| [01:31:31] | ak74: | hauppauge wintv-pvr-500 |
| [01:31:46] | wagnerrp: | just pull a lineup from your schedules direct account |
| [01:32:06] | ak74: | will that cause the card to get tv? |
| [01:32:37] | wagnerrp: | the card is installed and recognized by linux? |
| [01:32:42] | ak74: | yes |
| [01:32:52] | wagnerrp: | you have a /dev/video0 and /dev/video1? |
| [01:33:01] | wagnerrp: | and can cat them to get an mpeg stream? |
| [01:33:13] | ak74: | no, I only have a dev/video0 |
| [01:33:28] | wagnerrp: | the 500 shows up in linux as two separate cards |
| [01:33:44] | ak74: | I only get the option of tuner 1 |
| [01:33:47] | wagnerrp: | you should have three /dev/video* nodes for each tuner |
| [01:34:09] | ak74: | hang on, let me look |
| [01:36:47] | ak74: | I am new to this and really don't know what to look for. I have installed mythbuntu and am looking at the backend setup |
| [01:38:05] | ak74: | it sees a wintv pvr 500 in there |
| [01:38:13] | ak74: | but only one tuner |
| [01:38:37] | wagnerrp: | when is the last time you rebooted? |
| [01:39:03] | wagnerrp: | im not asking you to do it now |
| [01:39:19] | wagnerrp: | i just want to know if i can expect the kernel logs from boot to have flushed out |
| [01:39:30] | wagnerrp: | could you run 'dmesg' on the command line |
| [01:39:42] | ak74: | about 4 hours ago |
| [01:39:43] | wagnerrp: | and pastebin the results from the first minute or so |
| [01:42:08] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset |
| [01:42:08] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu |
| [01:42:08] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] Linux version 2.6.31-20-generic (buildd@crested) (gcc version 4.4.1 (Ubuntu 4.4.1–4ubuntu8) ) #58-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 12 04:38:19 UTC 2010 (Ubuntu 2.6.31–20.58-generic) |
| [01:42:08] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-20-generic root=UUID=3434d77e-b889-4621-ba3f-551db343ad5a ro quiet splash |
| [01:42:11] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] KERNEL supported cpus: |
| [01:42:13] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] Intel GenuineIntel |
| [01:42:15] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] AMD AuthenticAMD |
| [01:42:17] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] Centaur CentaurHauls |
| [01:42:19] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] BIOS-provided physical RAM map: |
| [01:42:21] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 – 000000000009fc00 (usable) |
| [01:42:23] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 – 00000000000a0000 (reserved) |
| [01:42:25] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: 00000000000e0000 – 0000000000100000 (reserved) |
| [01:42:27] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 – 000000003f7c0000 (usable) |
| [01:42:29] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: 000000003f7c0000 – 000000003f7ce000 (ACPI data) |
| [01:42:31] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: 000000003f7ce000 – 000000003f800000 (ACPI NVS) |
| [01:42:33] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: 00000000fee00000 – 00000000fee01000 (reserved) |
| [01:42:35] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: 00000000ffb80000 – 0000000100000000 (reserved) |
| [01:42:37] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] DMI present. |
| [01:42:37] | wagnerrp: | no no no.... |
| [01:42:39] | sphery: | heh, new to IRC, too... http://mythtv.pastebin.com/ |
| [01:42:41] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] AMI BIOS detected: BIOS may corrupt low RAM, working around it. |
| [01:42:42] | wagnerrp: | 'pastebin' |
| [01:42:43] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] e820 update range: 0000000000000000 – 0000000000010000 (usable) ==> (reserved) |
| [01:42:45] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] last_pfn = 0x3f7c0 max_arch_pfn = 0x400000000 |
| [01:42:47] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] MTRR default type: uncachable |
| [01:42:48] | wagnerrp: | not paste |
| [01:42:49] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] MTRR fixed ranges enabled: |
| [01:42:51] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] 00000–9FFFF write-back |
| [01:42:53] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] A0000-DFFFF uncachable |
| [01:42:55] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] E0000-EFFFF write-through |
| [01:42:57] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] F0000-FFFFF write-protect |
| [01:42:58] | Wicked: | lol |
| [01:42:59] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] MTRR variable ranges enabled: |
| [01:43:01] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] 0 base 000000000 mask FC0000000 write-back |
| [01:43:03] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] 1 base 03F800000 mask FFF800000 uncachable |
| [01:43:05] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] 2 disabled |
| [01:43:07] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] 3 disabled |
| [01:43:11] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] 4 disabled |
| [01:43:11] | wagnerrp: | anyone around to kick him before this goes on too long? |
| [01:43:13] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] 5 disabled |
| [01:43:15] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] 6 disabled |
| [01:43:17] | ak74: | [ 0.000000] 7 disabled |
| [01:43:19] | ak74: | [ |
| [01:43:40] | mag0o: | whoa |
| [01:44:12] | ak74: | sorry |
| [01:44:48] | wagnerrp: | freenode does rate limiting on messages |
| [01:45:00] | wagnerrp: | so usually when people do that, were stuck with several minutes of that |
| [01:45:30] | ak74: | I understand |
| [01:45:58] | ak74: | I am looking for the help channel but can't find it. |
| [01:46:12] | wagnerrp: | this is the help channel |
| [01:46:20] | wagnerrp: | you found it |
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| [01:46:52] | ak74: | sorry, you have to treat me like I don't know what is going on because I don't |
| [01:47:13] | sphery: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/ for pastes (if that's what you're looking for) |
| [01:47:14] | wagnerrp: | right, thats why i asked for the dmesg output, i assume its going to explain why only one tuner shows up |
| [01:47:16] | ak74: | Pretty steep learning curve for this |
| [01:49:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, do you remember how to become an op so you can change the http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/ in the topic to http://mythtv.pastebin.com/ since .ca has been mostly dead for months |
| [01:49:51] | sphery: | I'm clueless on IRC... |
| [01:49:59] | wagnerrp: | wait wait... i have op? |
| [01:50:00] | sphery: | and can't figure out what to search my IRC logs for |
| [01:50:06] | sphery: | I thought you did... |
| [01:50:20] | sphery: | you can find out--by trying to become an op :) |
| [01:50:33] | wagnerrp: | have to figure out how to first |
| [01:50:42] | sphery: | heh, that's where I'm stuck, too :) |
| [01:51:11] | ak74: | I posted on pastebin |
| [01:51:22] | wagnerrp: | paste the link in here |
| [01:51:47] | mag0o: | sphery: /msg chanserv help most likely will tell you how to turn on ops |
| [01:51:51] | ak74: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/6Ygc3VCZ |
| [01:52:03] | wagnerrp: | mag0o: looking through that page on freenode currently |
| [01:52:08] | sphery: | mag0o: yeah, thanks... just found it in my logs (chanserv being the operative search keyword) |
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| [01:58:15] | wagnerrp: | ak74: dmesg shows no errors, both tuners show up and are loaded just fine |
| [01:58:22] | wagnerrp: | dont know why you would be missing one set of inputs |
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| [01:59:44] | mag0o: | yay sphery |
| [01:59:51] | sphery: | yeah, thanks for the help :) |
| [01:59:55] | mag0o: | set you an alias in irssi |
| [02:00:12] | sphery: | don't want to make it too easy for myself... might abuse it. :) |
| [02:00:51] | mag0o: | aww, c'mon |
| [02:01:21] | ak74: | does that set up as a analog vl4 in the backend? |
| [02:02:23] | wagnerrp: | ak74: you want to set those up as ivtv mpeg encoder cards, not v4l cards |
| [02:02:29] | ak74: | v4l that is |
| [02:02:50] | ak74: | ok, let me try that |
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| [02:09:09] | ak74: | ok, I set it up as ivtv and it has both tuners |
| [02:09:27] | ak74: | but I still can't get it to play tv |
| [02:09:44] | wagnerrp: | you went through all the steps? |
| [02:10:35] | wagnerrp: | added the cards, added a source, bound the source to the two inputs, downloaded a lineup from your SD account, added recording space the default storage group, started the backend? |
| [02:10:37] | ak74: | I think so, but I don't know where to scan for channels |
| [02:10:46] | wagnerrp: | you dont scan for channels |
| [02:11:11] | ak74: | no I didn't do all of that |
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| [02:11:46] | ak74: | what is bound the source to the 2 inputs |
| [02:11:59] | wagnerrp: | step 4 in mythtv-setup |
| [02:12:12] | wagnerrp: | a 'source' is an abstract source of content |
| [02:12:20] | wagnerrp: | in your case, it would be 'comcast analog cable' |
| [02:12:31] | wagnerrp: | the source contains a list of all available channels |
| [02:12:46] | wagnerrp: | so you can bind that single source to one or more tuner inputs, depending on how you have them set up |
| [02:13:25] | ak74: | ok, let me go back and see what I can do, thanks for helping me |
| [02:13:36] | ak74: | be back in a minute |
| [02:14:45] | Beirdo: | OK, now that I HAVE an apartment... I need internet |
| [02:14:47] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:14:49] | Beirdo: | and TV |
| [02:15:09] | Beirdo: | right now I'm camping out in the "business center" for the moment |
| [02:16:09] | wagnerrp: | your apartment has a business center? |
| [02:16:17] | wagnerrp: | or are you at some hotel? |
| [02:16:25] | wagnerrp: | and/or conference center |
| [02:16:31] | Beirdo: | the building has a 3-computer business center :) |
| [02:16:38] | Beirdo: | it's an apt building |
| [02:16:40] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [02:16:50] | Beirdo: | because it does :) |
| [02:17:19] | Beirdo: | don't ask me, I just live here |
| [02:17:20] | wagnerrp: | they should call it 'computer room for people who otherwise have no business on a computer' |
| [02:17:20] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:17:28] | Beirdo: | true nuff |
| [02:17:57] | Beirdo: | so.. qwest DSL or clearwire |
| [02:18:05] | iamlindoro: | ew, those are the only options? |
| [02:18:09] | wagnerrp: | qworst? |
| [02:18:16] | iamlindoro: | though Seattle had FIOS? |
| [02:18:21] | Beirdo: | Those are the high speed choices |
| [02:18:22] | iamlindoro: | er thought |
| [02:18:23] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [02:18:24] | wagnerrp: | hey, at least they cant be as bad as comcast, right? |
| [02:18:28] | iamlindoro: | Doesn't kormoc have FIOS? |
| [02:18:31] | Beirdo: | Verizon made a deal with Qwest |
| [02:18:45] | Beirdo: | no, he did when he lived outside of Seattle city limits |
| [02:18:48] | iamlindoro: | ah |
| [02:18:49] | wagnerrp: | kormoc had fios, before he moved |
| [02:18:51] | Beirdo: | now he has DSL |
| [02:19:02] | Beirdo: | qwest |
| [02:19:03] | iamlindoro: | I gotcha |
| [02:19:05] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:19:09] | iamlindoro: | bummer |
| [02:19:16] | Beirdo: | sooo... I'll look at the qwest rates |
| [02:19:27] | Beirdo: | TV in this building is DirecTV |
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| [02:28:35] | Beirdo: | blech |
| [02:28:44] | Beirdo: | I don't wanna pay for a phone line :) |
| [02:28:47] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:30:03] | ** Captain_Murdoch pictures Beirdo duct-taping a wireless access point under one of the business center desks. ** | |
| [02:30:22] | Beirdo: | don't tempt me :) |
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| [02:30:57] | ak74: | I still didn't have any luck. getting late and I can't think very well. Thanks for all the help. |
| [02:31:14] | Beirdo: | so long and thanks for all the fish, is it? |
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| [02:36:17] | ver: | Beirdo, a wrt54g running openwrt and a chopped up Wok? |
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| [02:36:49] | sphery: | Any slackware users here who could tell me where the mythbackend init script is stored? Is it /etc/rc.d/mythbackend ? |
| [02:37:32] | mag0o: | mine is /etc/rc.d/rc.mythbackend |
| [02:38:24] | sphery: | mag0o: cool... thanks |
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| [02:39:30] | symptom: | any recommendations on a PCI capture card for digital tv in the us. |
| [02:40:10] | [R]: | symptom: linuxtv.orgb |
| [02:40:13] | [R]: | org* |
| [02:40:16] | sphery: | symptom: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ |
| [02:40:24] | iamlindoro: | sphery, climbing towards 107 |
| [02:40:33] | iamlindoro: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ is an excellent link |
| [02:40:38] | iamlindoro: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ is practically my favorite site |
| [02:40:40] | sphery: | heh, you see my "alterior" motives |
| [02:40:47] | iamlindoro: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ is an excellent place to learn about http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ |
| [02:40:53] | iamlindoro: | there, now I did my part |
| [02:40:55] | sphery: | lol |
| [02:41:20] | sphery: | wonder how often he regens the page |
| [02:41:35] | iamlindoro: | nightly I beleive |
| [02:41:36] | symptom: | 0 |
| [02:41:37] | symptom: | been there |
| [02:41:50] | iamlindoro: | symptom, what does "0" mean? |
| [02:41:58] | iamlindoro: | as the answer to your question is most definitely there |
| [02:42:08] | symptom: | I thought you were asking howmany times I clicked the link |
| [02:42:25] | sphery: | symptom: on the bright side, now that the US has gone digital for all broadcast TV, you can't really go wrong... |
| [02:42:38] | sphery: | symptom: though if you have cable, you may have to use analog capture from the STB's output |
| [02:43:00] | sphery: | symptom: I was wondering how often a stats page is regenerated :) |
| [02:44:14] | iamlindoro: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ htt |
| [02:44:15] | iamlindoro: | p://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ |
| [02:44:18] | iamlindoro: | *cough* |
| [02:44:19] | iamlindoro: | hehe |
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| [02:44:53] | Beirdo: | holy spamarific there, iamlindoro :) |
| [02:45:08] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, We're trying to get the actual wiki link into the top, heh, gotta break 107 |
| [02:46:01] | Beirdo: | hehe. Silly people :) |
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| [02:47:33] | symptom: | I was just looking to see if anyone had any personal experiences or preferences. I spent about 20 hours RingTFM and looking at linuxtv.org and mythtv sites on sunday. If you dont want to have the discussion that is fine. I do not need multiple links to the same site though. |
| [02:48:51] | iamlindoro: | symptom, relax, sphery and I were referring to the channel statistics page, which refers people to the wrong linuxtv.org page. So I was making a joke with him having nothing to do with you |
| [02:50:41] | wagnerrp: | have to point them at the linuxtv wiki rather than their main page? |
| [02:51:12] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Yeah, sometimes people can't find the link to the wiki |
| [02:52:52] | wagnerrp: | its so hard to find there, hidden up there in the big huge box on the left |
| [02:53:06] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, people are slow ;) |
| [02:55:36] | Beirdo: | OK, will have internet (7Mbps service) as of Monday |
| [02:55:45] | Beirdo: | and a phone line |
| [02:55:52] | Beirdo: | and I'll be in Philly. hehe |
| [02:56:42] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch is Quick Draw McGraw on his tickets, watch out |
| [02:56:54] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:56:57] | iamlindoro: | Why can't you guys be more like your older brother CM? |
| [02:57:20] | ** Beirdo gives iamlindoro the evil eye :) ** | |
| [02:57:34] | iamlindoro: | heh, he closed that ticket fast! |
| [02:57:43] | iamlindoro: | And not just with trivial code, with real grownup code |
| [02:58:50] | Beirdo: | DirecTV is tossing in HD DVR?! |
| [02:58:51] | mag0o: | iamlindoro: pastebin that!! |
| [02:58:53] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:59:08] | Beirdo: | I think they are getting a wee bit desparate |
| [02:59:13] | iamlindoro: | mag0o, By grownup code, I mean ascii art of naked ladies |
| [02:59:13] | mag0o: | :) |
| [02:59:41] | mag0o: | i was talking about your http://www.linuxtv.or/wiki |
| [02:59:59] | iamlindoro: | What, me http://www.linuxtv.or/wiki ? |
| [03:00:04] | wagnerrp: | mag0o: that link doesnt work |
| [03:00:10] | mag0o: | hehe |
| [03:00:10] | iamlindoro: | What, me http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki ? |
| [03:00:15] | iamlindoro: | better ;) |
| [03:00:18] | Beirdo: | .orgy |
| [03:00:27] | wagnerrp: | yeah, probably http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki |
| [03:00:43] | iamlindoro: | Someone polished up the wiki over there |
| [03:01:00] | iamlindoro: | we could use someone with strong wiki fu to give ours a little more character |
| [03:01:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, longest thought in that was whether to use LIVETV_STARTED or LIVE_TV_STARTED or LIVE_T_V_STARTED since my MythSystemEventHandler::EventNameToSetting() likes to camelcase the parts separated by underscores. :) in the end I stuck with the settled for the setting being called EventCmdLivetvStarted with the TV in lowercase even though it looks odd. :) |
| [03:01:43] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch, I'd still be trying to remember how to start LiveTV ;) |
| [03:01:43] | Beirdo: | please no polishing yer wiki in public |
| [03:01:54] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, I had to find it on the Arclight menu. :) |
| [03:01:57] | mag0o: | especially with all of the camelcase around |
| [03:02:06] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch, How did you manage it with the broken background? |
| [03:02:28] | iamlindoro: | Since I haven't seen any paypal transfers from you, I can only assume you're still using ArcLite |
| [03:02:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | I have a piece of cardboard over the top right of my screen. when I start watching a program I lift the cardboard up and hold it back with a piece of tape. |
| [03:02:45] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [03:03:04] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [03:03:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | or even better I taped a freshnel lens over the top right and now I can actually make out what the picture is. :) |
| [03:03:42] | Captain_Murdoch: | CSI-like |
| [03:03:49] | GreyFoxx: | Wow, I was just playing around with some srt files and a 5k srt file took 22 seconds for myth to load/parse |
| [03:03:54] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: can you do a write-up on the wiki for how to use the Arclight Cardboard patch? We get questions about that a lot. |
| [03:03:55] | wagnerrp: | sphery: idiot on the mailing list needs assistance! |
| [03:04:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, with a scalable template image attached. sure. |
| [03:04:27] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-April/287512.html |
| [03:04:40] | sphery: | sigh |
| [03:04:50] | wagnerrp: | makes you feel good about all that time you spend writing up that page, and even going through the trouble to put it in the code that they need to go there |
| [03:04:53] | sphery: | I think it's easiest for me to just ask him to give me a copy of his db backup |
| [03:05:08] | Beirdo: | Hmmm |
| [03:06:10] | ** iamlindoro reminds all speaking devs to endorse his plan on -developers ;) ** | |
| [03:06:25] | iamlindoro: | Since I *know* you're all looking at the screen ;) |
| [03:06:56] | Beirdo: | I haven't even looked at email in a few days |
| [03:06:58] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:07:16] | Beirdo: | so.. two HD receivers + 1 standard receiver? |
| [03:07:24] | Beirdo: | that sound sufficient? :) |
| [03:07:52] | Beirdo: | or should I do 2 + 2? :) |
| [03:08:01] | Beirdo: | DirecTV BTW |
| [03:08:02] | iamlindoro: | For me 2 HD STBs, 3 x QAM do the trick |
| [03:08:08] | iamlindoro: | ah, no QAM-- ATSC? |
| [03:08:21] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I don't think I can endorse your plan on -developers. Suing all the users who have been using Arclight for patent violation seems kind of wrong to me. Besides, it's GPL'ed--don't you get FOSS? |
| [03:08:21] | Beirdo: | I can possibly do ATSC |
| [03:08:35] | iamlindoro: | sphery, SHHHHHH |
| [03:09:01] | Beirdo: | oh bah, I think the crappy ATSC box is in a box in PR waiting to come here |
| [03:09:01] | iamlindoro: | sphery, what use is mythtv-illuminati@mythtv.org if we let people in on our plans? |
| [03:09:04] | sphery: | and, sure, the other themes might be using mythui, too, but are they really violating any patents? |
| [03:09:22] | ** iamlindoro registers #mythtv-illuminati ** | |
| [03:09:28] | sphery: | Oh, sorry... I thought we were on a secure line. I'm VPN'ed into my box with irssi on it. |
| [03:10:02] | wagnerrp: | so im watching a recording that was done about an hour and a half ago |
| [03:10:11] | iamlindoro: | use the enhance filter on the arclight backgrounds in SVN. All the plans are there |
| [03:10:23] | wagnerrp: | and at the end of an ad break, they come up with 'late breaking news' |
| [03:10:40] | wagnerrp: | which from the angle of the shadows means it could have been no later than 3pm |
| [03:11:02] | wagnerrp: | breaking news thats really 6+hrs old |
| [03:11:30] | sphery: | maybe it was in another time zone? |
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| [03:19:18] | Beirdo: | OK, I think I'll skeedaddle or somtehing |
| [03:19:31] | Beirdo: | go watch some TV in the lounge or something, I dunno |
| [03:19:58] | [R]: | am i insane... i want to try tiny core linux for my frontend |
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| [03:22:20] | wagnerrp: | tiny core linux? |
| [03:22:46] | [R]: | looks like its a super tiny linux |
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| [03:24:17] | [R]: | does hdpvr work in osx? |
| [03:24:21] | [R]: | (in myth) |
| [03:24:51] | iamlindoro: | No-- the driver is v4l, and no v4l in Mac OS |
| [03:25:53] | [R]: | ah |
| [03:25:58] | wagnerrp: | although apparently it may work in freebsd now |
| [03:26:16] | wagnerrp: | [R]: what would be the purpose of such a small linux install? |
| [03:26:31] | [R]: | i dunno |
| [03:26:34] | [R]: | just to see if i could |
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| [03:26:39] | [R]: | my mythbuntu is pretty fast |
| [03:27:21] | wagnerrp: | i mean a small flash drive is 2GB |
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| [03:27:47] | wagnerrp: | can you cant get cards for less than 1GB |
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| [03:27:53] | wagnerrp: | s/can/and/ |
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| [03:28:01] | [R]: | its not about the storage space |
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| [03:28:12] | [R]: | its more about the speed |
| [03:28:35] | [R]: | but i like my mythbuntu setup |
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| [03:29:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, what is the point... 10MB is too big for a floppy, and way smaller than anything else |
| [03:30:14] | wagnerrp: | well there is some worth if youre looking for boot speed |
| [03:30:28] | wagnerrp: | but i dont think youre going to get much of that in reducing the install |
| [03:31:09] | wagnerrp: | you would be much better off trying to streamline the init process |
| [03:31:15] | wagnerrp: | which is what upstart is intended to do |
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| [03:31:21] | [R]: | theres like nothing in my init |
| [03:31:42] | sphery: | there's nothing left init |
| [03:31:44] | wagnerrp: | no, but theres all sorts of stock daemons that ubuntu wants to use on its own |
| [03:31:51] | [R]: | stupid mythbuntu's initramfs pulls a file off tftp and if there is no tftp server there is a huge delay on boot... i fixed that yesterday and it sped it up alot |
| [03:32:01] | [R]: | wagnerrp: not on my setup |
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| [03:32:18] | clever: | if you wanted to optimize it more, it may help to remove the flexibility in the script |
| [03:32:25] | clever: | just hard-code exactly what it needs and nothing else |
| [03:32:56] | clever: | doing the same for rc.d might be a nightmare, but could give a much bigger improvement |
| [03:33:14] | ver: | or make a program in .c to launch/fork backend, frontend, and setup the network/capture, and replace init with that |
| [03:33:15] | [R]: | i need to time exactly what takes how long |
| [03:33:26] | [R]: | it seems to take forever beteween the time X is told to start and i actually see myth |
| [03:33:27] | clever: | [R]: install the bootchart package, it does just that |
| [03:33:31] | ver: | then blast away that initrd and just compile a superbasic kernel for your specific hardware :) |
| [03:33:49] | [R]: | clever: theres literally nothing in my init, i have like 3 things |
| [03:34:02] | [R]: | ver: i'm netbooting with wol... kinda need an initramfs |
| [03:34:23] | clever: | [R]: the kernel can mount a nfs root on its own without a initrd |
| [03:34:30] | clever: | ive done it once before with gentoo |
| [03:34:32] | [R]: | clever: hence why i said "with wol" |
| [03:34:47] | clever: | dont see why wol effects it that much |
| [03:34:53] | [R]: | the kernel can't send a wol |
| [03:35:12] | clever: | ah |
| [03:35:17] | clever: | its waking the nfs server? |
| [03:35:25] | [R]: | yup |
| [03:35:33] | clever: | yeah, that makes it alot more tricky |
| [03:35:40] | [R]: | and its actually an nbd mounted read-only filesytem with an nfs read-write overlay |
| [03:35:42] | [R]: | not straight up nfs |
| [03:35:48] | clever: | ah |
| [03:35:58] | clever: | i never liked nbd much, it tends to fail at reconnecting |
| [03:36:12] | [R]: | reconnect? |
| [03:36:14] | clever: | ive only ever used it to jam 5 PATA drives into a single lvm array (1 remote) |
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| [03:41:56] | wagnerrp: | i used a controller card last time i wanted to do that |
| [03:43:21] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, hard to find ISA controller cards these days. :) |
| [03:43:30] | clever: | yeah, my main pata controler is isa |
| [03:43:41] | clever: | but my new sata controler also has a pata bus |
| [03:43:54] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch, What are you talking about? I've got one right next to my VLB video card! |
| [03:44:15] | clever: | that isa board i had to use for floppy booting, the onboard from that old mobo was borked |
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| [03:53:58] | [R]: | this bootchart thing is so trippy |
| [03:55:07] | [R]: | clever: i/o wait is bad yes? |
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| [03:58:26] | ** ver runs myth on an 8086 with CGA composite video out ** | |
| [03:58:41] | clever: | [R]: yeah, it means the cpu is doing nothing because the hdd cant keep up |
| [03:58:56] | clever: | but if you paralell things properly, you can use cpu for another task while waiting |
| [03:59:14] | [R]: | well there is no hdd... |
| [03:59:23] | [R]: | i think i need to get rid of my login manager |
| [03:59:24] | clever: | nfs/nbd will generate iowait too |
| [03:59:37] | [R]: | there are 2 dotted lines |
| [03:59:40] | [R]: | towards the beginning |
| [03:59:47] | [R]: | but only 2... they run up and down, do you know what they are? |
| [04:00:02] | clever: | let me open my graph |
| [04:00:06] | dfletcher: | heh I'm watching Ace of Cakes and he's trying to make an R2D2 head tjat remote control |
| [04:00:16] | clever: | [R]: left/right lines? |
| [04:00:28] | dfletcher: | he gave up! I need an engineer job at ace of cakes :P |
| [04:00:35] | [R]: | its a vertical line, thats dashed, redish in color |
| [04:00:45] | clever: | mine arent red |
| [04:00:48] | [R]: | it looks like it might be the first one is when initramfs ends, and the second one might be when X starts... |
| [04:00:54] | clever: | http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/hardy-2 . . . 1.png/_full_ |
| [04:01:09] | [R]: | yeah, you dont have them |
| [04:01:13] | clever: | i see a line connecting sleep to busybox, meaning sleep was started by busybox |
| [04:01:21] | clever: | udevd was started by init |
| [04:01:31] | [R]: | lemme see if i an upload it somewhere |
| [04:01:47] | clever: | S08loopback had to wait for S07linux-restri |
| [04:02:01] | clever: | loopback doesnt need any restricted drivers, so that wait could be improved |
| [04:02:20] | TUplink: | i have 2 buttonst that arnt showing up in irw is there a program that i can use to recive the codes from the remote so i can add them |
| [04:02:27] | [R]: | http://i.imgur.com/jPhx3.png |
| [04:02:44] | [R]: | a little bit before 5 seconds and between 10 and 15 seconds |
| [04:03:02] | clever: | ah that, thats new |
| [04:03:19] | [R]: | when initramfs ends and when X starts seems to make sense, although it could be a coincidence |
| [04:04:24] | [R]: | slim looks like its taking 4 seconds |
| [04:04:29] | [R]: | i dont really need slim! |
| [04:04:33] | clever: | i can clearly see where mythfrontend-loop.s runs a few things |
| [04:04:41] | clever: | and xrdb runs cpp! |
| [04:05:04] | clever: | if you take out the xrdb call, you might save a bit more time |
| [04:05:26] | [R]: | thats actually openbox being stupdi |
| [04:05:53] | clever: | yeah, if you know enough you can say 'screw you openbox' and re-write that part yourself |
| [04:06:22] | [R]: | maybe i need something smaller than openbox |
| [04:06:44] | clever: | probly best to start with something slim and then slim it more yourself |
| [04:07:02] | sphery: | Does mythbuntu have any Live CDs that have mythtv-setup? |
| [04:07:34] | clever: | [R]: one of my bootable usb sticks runs without any hdd, nfs, or nbd |
| [04:07:41] | clever: | can you guess what it uses for root? |
| [04:07:53] | [R]: | initramfs only |
| [04:07:57] | [R]: | sphery: i think the livecd has full myth on it |
| [04:07:57] | clever: | close |
| [04:08:08] | clever: | [R]: the initrd will mount a tmpfs for / and unpack .tar's into that |
| [04:08:13] | [R]: | ah |
| [04:08:20] | sphery: | [R]: cool, thanks |
| [04:08:41] | clever: | initialy, i was using a ramdisk with a full ext2 image, but that was alot more bloated |
| [04:08:42] | [R]: | clever: YEARS ago, i had a linux 2.4 based router running off of 1 floppy that i compiled it all myself |
| [04:08:50] | clever: | nice |
| [04:08:53] | [R]: | ran totally out of ram |
| [04:08:54] | [R]: | had 20mb |
| [04:09:05] | clever: | my router runs 2.6 and has |
| [04:09:06] | clever: | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| [04:09:06] | clever: | /dev/hda1 2.3G 2.0G 223M 91% / |
| [04:09:23] | [R]: | how much ram does that have? |
| [04:09:28] | clever: | ~128mb on mine, with screen, sshd, irc server, squid proxy |
| [04:09:30] | [R]: | oh wait... tahts hda |
| [04:09:52] | [R]: | ok... do i really need urandom? |
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| [04:10:21] | clever: | if there is little user-input at bootup, then the 'random' state internaly will be predictable |
| [04:10:25] | clever: | which is a security risk |
| [04:10:40] | [R]: | i don't really care about that |
| [04:10:42] | clever: | so at shutdown it saves some random data, and then uses it to re-seed the dev/random at bootup |
| [04:11:03] | clever: | if the seed file is read-only, you loose the whole point of that security, and you might aswell take it out |
| [04:11:28] | clever: | SAVEDFILE=/var/lib/urandom/random-seed |
| [04:11:32] | clever: | this is where mine saves it |
| [04:11:43] | [R]: | yeah, i think i'm gonna disable it |
| [04:12:12] | clever: | mythfe doesnt need any advanced crypto either, so not much point in having it |
| [04:12:23] | clever: | sshd may need it some, but thats minor |
| [04:12:23] | [R]: | its like 3 freakin seconds for that crap |
| [04:12:28] | clever: | ouch |
| [04:13:04] | [R]: | and 4 seconds for slim |
| [04:13:10] | [R]: | tahts 7 seconds... damn, thanks for this :) |
| [04:13:22] | clever: | remember to take bootchart itself back out when done |
| [04:13:33] | clever: | my system takes 3–4 hours to render the svg into a png :P |
| [04:13:59] | clever: | not enough ram to hold such huge png's |
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| [04:14:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you were right... there's no problem with his backup--if following the instructions on that page carefully, the DB upgrade would have worked |
| [04:18:35] | sphery: | it worked here, and I even manually verified it by running the commands in all the checks and looking for errors |
| [04:18:49] | sphery: | (even the checks beyond the one that failed) |
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| [04:44:03] | ** iamlindoro awards sphery his medal for patience ** | |
| [04:44:12] | iamlindoro: | I'll handle the stabbing for you |
| [04:44:20] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:44:40] | wagnerrp: | anyone got a pig farm? |
| [04:44:52] | ** sphery rewards himself with a couple white-chocolate covered pretzel rods ** | |
| [04:45:16] | wagnerrp: | ive seen white chocolate pretzels, but never in rod form |
| [04:45:55] | sphery: | I buy white chocolate (technically almond bark since it's near impossible to find white chocolate) and pretzel rods and when they get together... |
| [04:46:33] | sphery: | Any guesses as to what Ghirardelli White Chocolate is? |
| [04:46:46] | sphery: | (hint: it's not white chocolate) |
| [04:47:14] | drew3: | wax |
| [04:47:55] | sphery: | though this says it actually has cocoa butter, so maybe their baking bars are chocolate: http://www.ghirardelli.com/products/bars_white.aspx |
| [04:48:28] | sphery: | chips definitely aren't ( http://www.ghirardelli.com/products/chips_white.aspx ), and I've never seen the bars at the store, so I couldn't look at the ingredients to find out |
| [04:48:54] | wagnerrp: | white chocolate is just chocolate with one of the cocoa derivatives removed |
| [04:49:00] | wagnerrp: | it has the butter, but not the other stuff |
| [04:49:00] | iamlindoro: | sphery, in fairness, they only claim to be classic white chips |
| [04:49:17] | sphery: | true |
| [04:49:54] | iamlindoro: | Just like spray cheese is "cheese food" |
| [04:49:56] | sphery: | only real difference between chocolate and almond bark is whether they used cocoa butter or some other vegetable oil to make it |
| [04:50:13] | wagnerrp: | just like american cheese is 'cheese food' |
| [04:50:17] | sphery: | Yeah, I tried feeding some cheese food to my cheese once, but nothing happened |
| [04:50:37] | sphery: | I don't know if my cheese was just a picky eater or if it wasn't hungry... |
| [04:51:00] | iamlindoro: | sphery, maybe you were just feeding it the wrong thing-- my cheese only eats baby souls |
| [04:51:12] | sphery: | I'm missing that ref... |
| [04:51:36] | iamlindoro: | ref: the depths of my cold, dark brain? |
| [04:51:41] | sphery: | but it's making me crave more Supernatural |
| [04:51:46] | sphery: | heh, I see |
| [04:52:12] | wagnerrp: | i was actually thinking http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2003/2/28/ |
| [04:53:18] | sphery: | heh, nice--that's before I started reading PA |
| [04:53:39] | iamlindoro: | http://www.xkcd.com/732/ |
| [04:53:41] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [04:54:05] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:54:08] | sphery: | I love that |
| [04:54:37] | sphery: | though I have to say that people who espouse the HDTV resolutions of their cell phones for "crisp video" are clueless |
| [04:54:46] | wagnerrp: | as i read that at 4160x1200... |
| [04:55:03] | sphery: | the mouseover is great |
| [04:57:42] | wagnerrp: | does anyone remember some feature of one of the racing games where it would let you download telemetry from real-life races as a ghost car, and let you do a time trial against them? |
| [04:58:22] | iamlindoro: | That was a semi-neat feature in Mirror's Edge |
| [04:58:34] | iamlindoro: | time trials against "ghosts" of others on the parkour maps |
| [04:58:44] | sphery: | nice |
| [04:58:56] | wagnerrp: | i just saw some video of a news report about the rocket racers |
| [04:59:11] | wagnerrp: | saying they would have an iphone app that would let you race against the real racers |
| [04:59:25] | wagnerrp: | and that this would be the first interactive spectator sport because of it |
| [04:59:53] | wagnerrp: | i thought i recalled someone doing that like a year or two ago with F1 |
| [05:01:07] | wagnerrp: | any news on sequels to that? |
| [05:01:09] | sphery: | does anyone actually believe that these iphone games where you move the phone (and, thus, the screen) to control things are using a good UI design? |
| [05:01:51] | sphery: | seems like a fun for 30s, but annoying afterwards kind of thing--and especially for anything but the most basic of games (like rolling a marble around a maze into a hole) |
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| [05:02:20] | sphery: | driving games being ones that would really be wrong |
| [05:02:50] | wagnerrp: | 'how do i go hand-over-hand and still see the screen????' |
| [05:03:08] | wagnerrp: | 'oh, full traverse on the wheels is only 20 degrees you say?' |
| [05:03:24] | sphery: | exactly |
| [05:04:00] | wagnerrp: | to be fair, the nub joysticks arent exactly ideal either |
| [05:04:21] | sphery: | agreed |
| [05:04:45] | sphery: | which makes me thing the "one device that does everything" design mobile phones are aiming for is a myth |
| [05:05:03] | wagnerrp: | although nothing beats a joystick for movement in FPSs |
| [05:05:10] | wagnerrp: | a full size analog, plus a mouse, works great |
| [05:05:10] | drew3: | Remember James Bond and ruined BMW :-) |
| [05:05:37] | drew3: | New meaning to back seat driving. |
| [05:05:44] | wagnerrp: | and two full analogs arent half bad either |
| [05:05:56] | wagnerrp: | far better than the nubs |
| [05:06:33] | wagnerrp: | not to mention you dont have to take your thumbs off the joystick to press buttons |
| [05:07:23] | sphery: | Annoying full-bar ads... NCIS episode "Jack Knife" has a joke in it, "Nice slippers," but I can't see the slippers because they're covered by an "Undercover Boss" ad covering the bottom 1/5 of the screen. |
| [05:07:32] | sphery: | more like "Undercover Slippers" |
| [05:08:12] | wagnerrp: | how far in? |
| [05:08:30] | sphery: | about 12min (or 11:30) |
| [05:08:47] | wagnerrp: | at 12min, they step into the elevator |
| [05:08:59] | wagnerrp: | and im fighting snow delay tickers |
| [05:09:01] | sphery: | actually, they show/don't show the slippers at 10:33 |
| [05:09:08] | sphery: | right after the commercial break |
| [05:09:45] | sphery: | Fornell's slippers, btw |
| [05:09:54] | ** wagnerrp no longer has commercial breaks ** | |
| [05:10:27] | sphery: | heh, I need to finish the multi-bookmark patch, which will leave a bookmark at each old break for you |
| [05:10:57] | wagnerrp: | well that would require me add seek/bookmark data to mythvidexport |
| [05:11:01] | sphery: | the worst part is that the commercial right before the on-show ad was for Undercover Boss, too |
| [05:11:25] | sphery: | ah, yeah, mythtranscode will do the bookmarks, that is |
| [05:12:16] | sphery: | and might need to move them for mythvideo--but only if I finish before CM finishes the MV/TV programinfo/recordedmarkup kind of merge |
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| [05:14:23] | wagnerrp: | i didnt get that line |
| [05:14:34] | wagnerrp: | i see the ad, and i see the slippers, but not the words |
| [05:14:58] | sphery: | the words are at the end of the conversation between Fornell and Gibbs |
| [05:15:18] | wagnerrp: | oh, my ad was at the start |
| [05:15:32] | wagnerrp: | right, nevermind |
| [05:15:38] | sphery: | yeah, they show the feet, then have a 2min conversation, then a joke |
| [05:15:42] | wagnerrp: | too much time spent on a triviality... |
| [05:16:22] | sphery: | but I didn't see anything special on the slippers... the left foot is partly visible above the ad, but it was just kind of a black spot |
| [05:16:34] | sphery: | and the other was closer, but obscured by the ad |
| [05:16:51] | wagnerrp: | all of this crap was in contrib? |
| [05:16:54] | sphery: | just think they should do a better job of placing ads |
| [05:17:04] | sphery: | yeah, see why I wanted to clean it up :) |
| [05:17:11] | wagnerrp: | you know, i wonder if this will have an added beneficial side effect |
| [05:17:15] | sphery: | I may move firewire_tester there, next |
| [05:17:17] | wagnerrp: | the fact that it is provided in a nice list |
| [05:17:21] | wagnerrp: | means people know its there |
| [05:17:30] | wagnerrp: | and may use it, and/or feel the need to update it |
| [05:17:42] | sphery: | yeah, most people probably have no clue about all that stuff |
| [05:17:57] | sphery: | putting it in the wiki will make it easier for them to find |
| [05:18:17] | wagnerrp: | up to 37 now |
| [05:18:33] | sphery: | and if distros are distributing it, they can keep doing so, but as part of their packaging--not just taking some random stuff out of contrib |
| [05:18:46] | wagnerrp: | 8.5s to load the full list |
| [05:18:53] | sphery: | yeah, and 3 of tonight's pages were actually 2 files per page |
| [05:19:03] | sphery: | not too bad |
| [05:19:09] | sphery: | better than the 15 you were seeing before |
| [05:19:28] | wagnerrp: | na, it was ~4 seconds for 15 scripts |
| [05:19:32] | wagnerrp: | not 15 seconds |
| [05:19:38] | wagnerrp: | so its scaling fairly linearly |
| [05:19:42] | sphery: | ah, I see |
| [05:20:16] | wagnerrp: | i think ill add some error handling, and call it done for now |
| [05:20:52] | wagnerrp: | caching seems to be broken |
| [05:21:51] | sphery: | cool |
| [05:22:13] | sphery: | I may go through a few more of the from-contrib script pages and set them up with script info |
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| [05:41:37] | iamlindoro: | 7.66 GB for the hour |
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| [06:00:57] | TUplink: | my imon LCD is working WOOOOOO but why do i keep having server stats show up like Cli: 1 |
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| [06:46:20] | [R]: | clever: you still there? |
| [06:47:14] | clever: | [R]: yep |
| [06:47:20] | [R]: | so i got 6 seconds |
| [06:47:33] | [R]: | i'm measuring with the start time of mythfrontend |
| [06:49:36] | sphery: | so do most distros use /etc/lircd.conf or /etc/lirc/lircd.conf ? |
| [06:50:03] | [R]: | i think iread that upstream recently switched to /etc/lirc |
| [06:50:24] | sphery: | cool... that matches what I have |
| [06:50:40] | sphery: | couldn't remember if it was standard or not |
| [06:50:44] | sphery: | thanks |
| [06:51:54] | ** wagnerrp pickles his bindings ** | |
| [06:53:28] | [R]: | wagnerrp: what are you pickling it in? |
| [06:53:39] | wagnerrp: | pickle? |
| [06:54:02] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:54:08] | [R]: | FREAKING COMEDY CENTRAL |
| [06:54:18] | [R]: | 201 STILL isn't up on southparkstudios |
| [06:54:37] | wagnerrp: | is 'pickle' a generic term for serialization of information? or is it just some strange name python came up with? |
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| [06:55:14] | [R]: | pickle is a cucumber that has been in brine |
| [06:55:15] | [R]: | :) |
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| [07:08:22] | justinh: | isn't it about time broadcasters stopped bugging us with DOGs & other onscreen junk? I mean it's not like finding out what's on next isn't a mere button press away |
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| [07:08:53] | ** justinh wonders if HBO does it too ** | |
| [07:09:44] | justinh: | then again, if blimmin BBC One does it.. they should be the benchmark of how to do things :-( |
| [07:09:57] | [R]: | yes |
| [07:10:05] | [R]: | i have a few hbo recordings with nonsnes in them |
| [07:10:21] | justinh: | so a premium channel does it aswell? sigh |
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| [07:10:52] | justinh: | wonder if there's actually any evidence it works. be nice to have something to smack the offenders with |
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| [07:11:37] | justinh: | and no, I don't give a rat's how the people who make DOG generating equipment will make a living ;-) |
| [07:12:38] | justinh: | what next – production guidelines showing how not to put anything pertinent to the narrative in the lower third of the screen? :-O |
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| [07:23:52] | justinh: | LOL. "DOG watermarking also helps minimize off-the-air copyright infringement" |
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| [07:33:03] | sid3windr: | woof |
| [07:33:05] | JohnQ: | If I get two channels which are the same, except one is HD and the other is not (i.e., comedy central vs comedy central hd), is there a way to get the myth to recognize that and not try to record the same thing twice? |
| [07:33:45] | [R]: | make the callsign the same |
| [07:34:21] | JohnQ: | Wont that get reverted when I update the listings from SD? |
| [07:35:48] | [R]: | nope |
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| [07:36:29] | JohnQ: | Ah cool |
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| [07:41:03] | JohnQ: | Which direction is the recpriority in the channel table? I.e., Will 0 be recorded instead of 1, or 1 instead of 0? |
| [07:44:17] | ** wagnerrp pokes sphery about the 'from scratch rewrite' comment in the revision history ** | |
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| [07:50:43] | sphery: | from scratch rewrite? |
| [07:51:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ??? |
| [07:51:27] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki?title=Setbookmark& . . . ;oldid=45018 |
| [07:52:32] | sphery: | sorry |
| [07:52:38] | wagnerrp: | heh, no problem |
| [07:52:39] | sphery: | didn't look at the script at all |
| [07:52:49] | wagnerrp: | just noticed it because im getting some spurious errors |
| [07:52:52] | sphery: | besides, you had done up script info for all your scripts, so... |
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| [07:53:02] | sphery: | anyway, I think that's all the scripts I'm going to script info |
| [07:53:10] | sphery: | the rest can be done by their respective authors |
| [07:53:17] | sphery: | I've covered all the ones I moved from contrib |
| [07:53:21] | wagnerrp: | only thing i can think of is the script doesnt like to run when someone is actively changing things |
| [07:53:40] | sphery: | heh, probably just made things difficult for you, then :) |
| [07:53:45] | sphery: | I'm done for now, though |
| [07:53:51] | wagnerrp: | its not a repeatable error, so i cant figure out whats causing it |
| [07:54:13] | sphery: | yeah, I'm sure it's very timing-sensitive |
| [07:54:29] | sphery: | probably not worth worrying about--it won't be possible very often |
| [07:54:52] | sphery: | and when it is, the chances that someone will actually be trying to use the downloader are small |
| [07:55:33] | sphery: | OK, I think I'm moving firewire_tester , then I'll stop |
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| [08:18:40] | justinh: | blimey. only just coming to light how many export jobs there are |
| [08:18:49] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
| [08:18:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, no one ever searched through contrib |
| [08:19:48] | justinh: | hmmm. just had an idea that a possible really useful plugin might be an export job creator/manager thingy |
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| [08:20:09] | JohnQ: | Hmm what happens if you have two channels with the same callsign, different xmltvids, and they actually are showing different shows? Will it realize they are different, or ignore one of them? |
| [08:20:22] | wagnerrp: | justinh: to do what? |
| [08:20:24] | justinh: | JohnQ: callsigns should be different for different channels |
| [08:20:35] | justinh: | wagnerrp: make managing export of stuff easier I suppose |
| [08:21:00] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to just selecting it in the PBB, and specifying the job to run? |
| [08:21:06] | JohnQ: | Right... but looking at VH1 and VH1HD for example.... during the day, they show the same shows in lockstep, but in the evenings they differ. .. |
| [08:21:26] | sphery: | justinh: if all goes well, we may soon have all the exported copies managed inside MythTV |
| [08:21:28] | justinh: | wagnerrp: nah this could conceivably handle managing the actual user job functions themselves too |
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| [08:21:44] | JohnQ: | My understanding was that I had to se the callsigns to be the same so that it didnt try to record the same thing twice in the day... |
| [08:22:02] | justinh: | wagnerrp: e.g. to save the user having to delve into mythtv-setup to enter jobs themselves |
| [08:22:39] | sphery: | JohnQ: callsigns are identifiers of each unique channel you receive... So if 2 channels are the same, they have the same callsign. If not, they shouldn't. |
| [08:22:50] | wagnerrp: | sphery: it would be nice to have some way for this thing to automatically populate the userjob settings, but i dont know of a good way to list that on the wiki page |
| [08:22:55] | sphery: | duplicate matching prevents multiple recordings of the same show |
| [08:23:16] | wagnerrp: | justinh: sounds like a useful addon to a not-quite-yet-committed checkin |
| [08:23:22] | justinh: | heh |
| [08:23:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, I'd let the users do that--especially since we have only a few jobs available (4 still or was it recently increased to 8 or something)? |
| [08:24:02] | wagnerrp: | 4 currently |
| [08:24:09] | wagnerrp: | although i hope to change that |
| [08:24:25] | justinh: | that & fix the hard-codedness of transcoding profiles, I hope :) |
| [08:24:46] | wagnerrp: | justinh: yeah, i would remove all the special handling for transcoding and commflagging |
| [08:25:03] | wagnerrp: | and just have some default entries in the database for them |
| [08:25:52] | sphery: | ah, yeah, maybe I was thinking of a patch you were making |
| [08:26:08] | wagnerrp: | s/patch/complete overhaul/ |
| [08:26:15] | wagnerrp: | this is not going to be a simple undertaking |
| [08:26:34] | wagnerrp: | probably a bit daunting for a first foray into actual mythtv code |
| [08:26:36] | justinh: | oh I know. I've seen at least the code to do with transcoding profiles |
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| [08:27:11] | justinh: | simple enough in theory to rip out the hard-coded profile names, but there's a lot of code to change |
| [08:27:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, I suppose once you commit the bindings auto-downloader thing, I'll move dct-channel's 18 files to the wiki |
| [08:27:54] | wagnerrp: | sphery: careful about that one |
| [08:28:00] | wagnerrp: | the wiki doesnt like pages over 32KB |
| [08:28:10] | wagnerrp: | it will let you do it |
| [08:28:24] | sphery: | but it trunc's? |
| [08:28:26] | wagnerrp: | but will warn you that some browsers (*cough* IE) are F-d |
| [08:28:31] | sphery: | heh |
| [08:28:35] | justinh: | wonder how big the wiki database is now |
| [08:28:47] | sphery: | may have to come up with a better plan |
| [08:28:47] | wagnerrp: | we just surpassed 45k edits |
| [08:29:34] | sphery: | hmmm... Guessing that contacting Copyright (c) 2003 Jim Paris about hosting it at Google code or something wouldn't work. |
| [08:30:33] | justinh: | Google (hoover up copyright one day) Code. Heh |
| [08:30:44] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [08:30:49] | sphery: | maybe SF, then :) |
| [08:31:58] | sphery: | Google can have the copyright for http://mythvideo-scanner.googlecode.com/svn/t . . . o-scanner.pl at http://code.google.com/p/mythvideo-scanner/ |
| [08:32:18] | sphery: | copyright on a program designed to help people who steal copyrighted videos that is |
| [08:32:30] | sphery: | (and for which the author is asking for donations) |
| [08:32:33] | wagnerrp: | google gets the copyright to everything on google code? |
| [08:32:50] | justinh: | wagnerrp: wouldn't put it past em changing the T&Cs down the line |
| [08:33:29] | sphery: | didn't they--according to their T&Cs--at one point claim ownership of all e-mails people got on GMail? |
| [08:33:57] | justinh: | I think so, but it's hard to separate hater rants from fact these days |
| [08:34:17] | sphery: | yeah |
| [08:34:33] | sphery: | would probably have to use Bing to find any references, too |
| [08:38:24] | wagnerrp: | up to 67 total registered scripts |
| [08:38:29] | wagnerrp: | ~16–17 seconds to load |
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| [08:47:29] | oobe: | http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS |
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| [08:47:57] | oobe: | 9.1 You acknowledge and agree that Google (or Google’s licensors) own all legal right, title and interest in and to the Services, including any intellectual property rights which subsist in the Services (whether those rights happen to be registered or not, and wherever in the world those rights may exist). |
| [08:48:21] | oobe: | By using Google Code (the “Service”), you agree to be bound by our Google Terms of Services located at http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS |
| [08:48:42] | justinh: | oof |
| [08:51:29] | sphery: | hmmmm... mythnotify |
| [08:51:33] | sphery: | that's movable |
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| [08:52:37] | oobe: | i didnt know that |
| [08:56:42] | justinh: | woohoo. one of our products is getting its microSD card upgraded to 32GB :D |
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| [10:05:00] | ak74: | hello |
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| [10:13:09] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuartm | |
| [10:13:30] | stuartm: | heh, so I'm finally playing with HandBrake ... slow ain't it? |
| [10:14:19] | stuartm: | ETA 3hr 27m 32s .... wow |
| [10:15:27] | oobe: | is there a default key binding for reset metadata |
| [10:16:01] | Dibblah: | justinh: Seen the EEVblog before? |
| [10:16:08] | justinh: | nope |
| [10:16:14] | clever: | i watch it almost every day |
| [10:16:21] | Dibblah: | http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=EEVblog#p/u/61/m7ERMu825m4 (warning: Auzzie accent) |
| [10:16:25] | justinh: | I hate podcasts |
| [10:16:41] | Dibblah: | It's not exactly that. Watch it – It's cool :) |
| [10:16:54] | clever: | Dibblah: theres even a loud auzzie bird in the background noise in one episode |
| [10:17:11] | Dibblah: | That's not a nice way to talk about his wife. |
| [10:18:01] | clever: | Dibblah: seen the one about how he designed the micro-current? |
| [10:18:13] | Dibblah: | I'm going through them now. |
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| [10:20:54] | stuartm: | heh, does WMP (etc) have support for matroska? |
| [10:22:09] | justinh: | don't think anything by MS supports OSS formats |
| [10:22:15] | justinh: | with the exception of PNG |
| [10:22:45] | stuartm: | crap |
| [10:23:26] | stuartm: | the mpeg4 container written by Handbrake seems broken, guess I need another ripping/transcoding app |
| [10:23:37] | justinh: | everything bar MS' own formats needs a codec installed |
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| [10:28:16] | stuartm: | I'll get her to install vlc, easier than finding yet another app |
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| [10:29:23] | justinh: | vlc portable ftw :) |
| [10:31:28] | stuartm: | shame that even on the normal profile, ripping/encoding to H.264 on this machine is barely realtime, this is going to take all week ... |
| [10:36:55] | stuartm: | might have to break out the old laptop, maybe even borrow another just to get this done in time |
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| [10:43:37] | justinh: | arghhh. When are people going to learn that MS Excel is NOT a suitable program in which to construct *forms* ? |
| [10:44:21] | justinh: | gotta be *the* most mis-used program in history, that thing |
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| [11:01:12] | clever: | Dibblah: have you used QtScript before? |
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| [11:56:19] | tassbur: | Hi ebd, I'm having troubles with my HVR-4000 when I try to search new channels. If I do a full scan I get nothing, and if I import the channels.conf from an external scan I get my channels back, but when I tune to a channel, I only watch pixels and glich errors |
| [11:57:23] | tassbur: | anyone know what's the problem |
| [11:57:55] | justinh: | it'd help if you said which mode you've been having trouble with – dvb-s, dvb-t etc |
| [11:58:05] | tassbur: | ok |
| [11:58:07] | tassbur: | dvb-t |
| [11:58:13] | justinh: | and where you live |
| [11:58:17] | tassbur: | in spain |
| [11:58:51] | justinh: | so does the tuner work well with other apps? |
| [11:58:54] | justinh: | in linux I mean |
| [11:59:07] | tassbur: | oh, yes. tzap works very well |
| [11:59:26] | justinh: | tzap in conjunction with another player you mean |
| [11:59:33] | tassbur: | of course |
| [11:59:49] | justinh: | because pixels & glitch errors sounds like problems with the signal quality to me |
| [12:00:44] | tassbur: | but with femon i saw ber 0 and snr 100% |
| [12:00:54] | justinh: | oh well |
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| [12:04:11] | stuartm: | tassbur: which version? |
| [12:04:18] | stuartm: | mythfrontend --version |
| [12:05:31] | tassbur: | MythTV Version : 24158 |
| [12:05:32] | tassbur: | MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-23-fixes |
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| [12:06:48] | tassbur: | i've got a mythbuntu 10.04 |
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| [12:21:54] | tassbur: | bye, i have to go, i'll be back later |
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| [12:34:29] | stuartm: | tassbur's problem is probably frequency table related |
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| [13:07:52] | mag0o: | yay, a successful query of MythLogBot |
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| [13:23:09] | stuartm: | !seen coling |
| [13:23:09] | MythLogBot: | coling was last seen 1199 days 23 hours 30 minutes 31 seconds ago |
| [13:23:18] | stuartm: | so recently then |
| [13:26:43] | markl_: | heh |
| [13:26:46] | markl_: | impressive! |
| [13:27:18] | markl_: | ok i have a fun problem at home, my archived 1080i tv shows won't play on 0.23 |
| [13:28:01] | markl_: | let me see if i can find the error |
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| [13:30:11] | stuartm: | markl_: --version first, there was a recent regression/fix in the branch which broke playback of some material |
| [13:30:53] | stuartm: | if the version is between 24251 and 24262 then it's broken |
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| [13:40:17] | markl_: | 0.23.0+fixes24269–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu1 |
| [13:42:40] | markl_: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/5gzJPFYW |
| [13:42:47] | markl_: | mpegts_read_header: packet size incorrect |
| [13:44:01] | markl_: | looks like CBS changed their format a little in like 2007 |
| [13:45:06] | markl_: | where should i post a bug report? is this mythtv or a support library? |
| [13:48:40] | janneg: | markl_: please upload a sample to my ftp at 93.220.65.154 first 10–20M showl be enough |
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| [13:52:12] | markl_: | janneg: cool ty |
| [13:52:57] | markl_: | janneg: anonymous doesn't seem to work |
| [13:53:25] | markl_: | or else maybe my firewall doesn't have the ftp conntrack, hmm |
| [13:53:46] | janneg: | markl_: any name without password should work |
| [13:53:54] | markl_: | 425 Sorry, but I will only connect back to your own IP. |
| [13:54:02] | markl_: | ftp is the stupidest protocol of all time |
| [13:54:22] | markl_: | can i give you a url? |
| [13:54:27] | hashbang: | markl_: I take your FTP and raise you H.323 |
| [13:54:28] | janneg: | sure |
| [13:54:48] | markl_: | hashbang: heh i'm going to have to google that, now i'm intrigued |
| [13:55:52] | markl_: | janneg: http://knm.org/mpegts.mpg |
| [13:55:57] | hashbang: | markl_: "leave all high ports open at both ends" |
| [13:56:11] | markl_: | hashbang: that is definitely bad |
| [13:56:35] | markl_: | but i'll bet ftp is responsible for more wasted time with firewall/nat issues than all other protocols combined |
| [13:56:44] | hashbang: | markl_: and, it came along long after the inadequacies of FTP's protocol were learnt. |
| [13:56:59] | markl_: | no excuse then |
| [13:57:09] | hashbang: | markl_: that, or ICMP type 3, code 4 |
| [13:57:41] | markl_: | janneg: thanks a ton! I should try in vlc |
| [13:57:52] | hashbang: | markl_: was a common one when I was supporting FW-1; ppl blocking 'all ICMP' without understanding what each type/code was used for. |
| [13:58:23] | markl_: | does mythtv use the standard codec libraries or build its own? |
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| [13:58:44] | hashbang: | markl_: depends on who's packaged it, I think. |
| [13:58:47] | markl_: | by standard i mean from the standard distro repos |
| [13:58:52] | hashbang: | markl_: it always uses its own ffmpeg |
| [13:59:03] | janneg: | markl_: reproduced |
| [13:59:29] | markl_: | janneg: cool ty, ok what next? guess i can do a quick vlc test |
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| [14:00:39] | markl_: | works great in vlc |
| [14:00:45] | markl_: | must be an ffmpeg compile option or something |
| [14:00:56] | markl_: | should i paste a quick message in #mythtv or will i get kickbanned :P |
| [14:01:41] | markl_: | well my last venture over there with the HDHR bug was successfull; i'll give it a try |
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| [14:03:43] | markl_: | and if any of you are tennis fans you will want that whole mpg :) |
| [14:03:53] | markl_: | federer bagelling hewitt at the us open final a few years ago |
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| [14:20:59] | janneg: | markl_: it's caused by 481 leading ts packets with Transport_error_indicator set |
| [14:21:45] | markl_: | interesting |
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| [14:22:35] | janneg: | it's doesn't play with current ffmpeg/ffplay |
| [14:23:59] | markl_: | ok if i clean up the leading packets, will it start working? |
| [14:24:08] | markl_: | i'm sure i can do that with dd pretty easily |
| [14:24:31] | markl_: | or maybe it is time to finally break down and learn a tool like Staxrip |
| [14:24:47] | markl_: | is that the best open source video editor? |
| [14:24:52] | markl_: | or should i consider something else |
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| [14:40:34] | janneg: | markl_: dd if=file of=file.tmp skip=481 bs=188 will work |
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| [14:41:30] | janneg: | markl_: if just a single file has this error that's probably the easiest solution |
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| [14:48:33] | markl_: | janneg: heh no, I have been archiving us open since 2002 so I have a ton of them :) how did you determine that there were 481 packets to skip? |
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| [14:50:32] | janneg: | markl_: dvbsnoop -s ts -if $FILE | grep Transport_error_indicator: | uniq -c |
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| [14:52:02] | markl_: | fantastic, thanks!! |
| [14:52:22] | markl_: | any idea about staxrip or any other video editing tools? |
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| [14:52:33] | janneg: | markl_: but have you teseted other files if the play? this bit is set by the receiving hardware in the case of unrecoverable bit errors |
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| [14:53:26] | janneg: | i.e. your capture card didn't receive the first 480 packets correctly |
| [14:53:32] | markl_: | janneg: not yet, i have switched my hardware around so much over the years that it is impossible to tell for sure |
| [14:54:01] | markl_: | i was using a pair of pchdtv.com cards for years |
| [14:54:04] | markl_: | til i got an hdhr recently |
| [14:54:15] | janneg: | that might just be an occasional problem |
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| [14:56:23] | janneg: | but it might be more common, i.e. tuner freq gets only stable after a couple of ms |
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| [15:27:20] | PhoenixMage: | Hi guys, I have my mythweb instance installed on a different server then my backend, does mythweb support storage groups on remote backends in 0.23rc2? |
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| [15:43:29] | iamlindoro: | gnome42: Heh, no more Myth? |
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| [15:46:16] | markl_: | ok i have a question, is there a way from mythweb to find out the filename of a recording? |
| [15:46:37] | markl_: | it seems to re-arrange the filename so that it is difficult/impossible to figure it out |
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| [16:27:12] | dustybin: | i think myth centre is the best looking 4:3 theme out there, im thinking about bastardizing it, rather than making a new theme from scratch |
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| [16:34:54] | iamlindoro: | Well that ought to earn you all the respect that you deserve |
| [16:36:29] | dfletcher: | heh I figured I'd do that for my first theme, just to see how someone else organized it. bit like when I started with HTML in 1995 :P then I'll get serious and make something super cool :) |
| [16:40:04] | dfletcher: | I really like the UI in that game Dead Space. I think I'll make something like that for a test |
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| [16:41:07] | dfletcher: | http://killspeak.lucasrizoli.com/wordpress/wp . . . nterface.jpg |
| [16:41:20] | dfletcher: | I want my TV to look like that :P |
| [16:48:37] | tzanger: | heh |
| [16:48:47] | tzanger: | I thought the text at the bottom was "small red prick" |
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| [16:49:49] | dfletcher: | heh the font could be improved :P I think it's bank gothic and there's probably a more legible version than that |
| [16:51:13] | dfletcher: | oh speaking of that I was having trouble. iamlindoro "The font must be installed systemwide" does that mean frontend backend or both? |
| [16:51:36] | iamlindoro: | dfletcher: what are you quoting? |
| [16:51:39] | dfletcher: | could just be myth not liking the particular font |
| [16:51:44] | dfletcher: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Devel . . . _definitions |
| [16:52:17] | iamlindoro: | dfletcher: I need to change that, myth can now load a font from the theme directory-- but if it's not loading, odds are you're calling it by the wrong name |
| [16:52:25] | dfletcher: | ah gotcha |
| [16:52:31] | dfletcher: | cool – in the theme! great |
| [16:53:23] | iamlindoro: | And docs fixed, thank you for bringing it to my attention |
| [16:53:45] | dfletcher: | noprob |
| [16:54:37] | iamlindoro: | It's sometimes tricky to determine exactly what string the font expects-- In the past I have had to open gedit, go to font properties, and see what the font is called there to get the right string to load the font |
| [16:55:03] | dfletcher: | hah ok that does explain. I copied the filename -.ttf |
| [16:55:40] | AndyCap: | if you have fontconfig I guess you could use fc-list -v |less |
| [16:56:32] | wagnerrp: | PhoenixMage: only partially |
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| [17:15:43] | wagnerrp: | wow |
| [17:16:23] | wagnerrp: | 3.2GHz Phenom 2 X6 for only $310 |
| [17:18:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | x6? 6 core? |
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| [17:20:14] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [17:20:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | Holy smokes... |
| [17:20:31] | wagnerrp: | compared to the $1100 6-core i7 |
| [17:23:41] | markl_: | smokes is right, i'll bet it runs really hot |
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| [17:24:11] | wagnerrp: | only 125W |
| [17:24:13] | markl_: | it seems like mythmusic can't seek with flac files |
| [17:24:23] | markl_: | 125w seems like a lot! |
| [17:24:33] | wagnerrp: | markl_: theres at least one ticket on trac related to flac/mythmusic |
| [17:27:11] | wagnerrp: | the 2.8GHz version is only $210 |
| [17:28:54] | j-rod: | the 6-core opterons are pretty decent |
| [17:29:16] | j-rod: | we've got a few hp xw9400 boxes retrofitted with them |
| [17:29:32] | j-rod: | cooling demands aren't outrageous, the boxes run relatively quiet |
| [17:30:04] | j-rod: | they still get their asses kicked performance-wise by the 6-core nehalems though |
| [17:30:26] | wagnerrp: | i wonder how much of that has to do with memory bandwidth |
| [17:31:00] | j-rod: | no clue really what the main differentiator is |
| [17:33:07] | wagnerrp: | whats the difference when you factor in price, though? |
| [17:34:59] | wagnerrp: | a couple years ago, we were trialing dual versus quad cores for our compute nodes |
| [17:35:48] | wagnerrp: | on the original Core2Quads, two threads versus one gave some 80% speedup, four versus two only gave another 20% |
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| [17:37:46] | wagnerrp: | now we were certainly running memory intensive, and i dont remember if we were using 667 or 800 |
| [17:37:53] | j-rod: | yeah, price/performance… not sure. |
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| [17:55:59] | wagnerrp: | if a frontend drops connection to the backend due to timeout or whatever |
| [17:56:17] | wagnerrp: | it simply logs an error, reconnects, and goes on about its business, right? |
| [17:56:26] | sphery: | I think he's losing DB connections |
| [17:56:33] | sphery: | and they may/may not be properly restored |
| [17:56:44] | wagnerrp: | i mean i used to do specifically that |
| [17:56:48] | sphery: | IIRC, there was a ticket about that |
| [17:57:23] | wagnerrp: | had an irexec command to register USB for S3 wakeup, and suspend the machine |
| [17:57:35] | sphery: | Yeah, and some users had some problems with MySQL connections (either due to changes in MySQL or changes in Qt--no one actually went to the trouble of debugging the problem) and so a hack was added in to make sure we /never/ closed the last DB connection to "fix" the problem |
| [17:57:36] | wagnerrp: | then reset the usb bus when it came back out |
| [18:00:12] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7847 |
| [18:01:35] | wagnerrp: | ah, i think i remember something like that |
| [18:01:42] | wagnerrp: | sometimes the PBB would stagnate |
| [18:01:46] | wagnerrp: | never figured out why |
| [18:01:50] | wagnerrp: | guess this was it |
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| [18:06:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: this being the ticket where the hack for "don't close the last DB connection" went in: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7836 |
| [18:07:09] | sphery: | so I think our current MythTV breaks if you lose all your connections |
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| [18:08:05] | wagnerrp: | the mysql libraries have a flag you can pass to them to automatically reconnect |
| [18:08:14] | sphery: | yes, and Qt passes it |
| [18:08:20] | wagnerrp: | the official 'mysql' app uses it, the bindings use it |
| [18:08:22] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [18:08:30] | sphery: | but still, some users' systems were messed up |
| [18:09:39] | sphery: | OK, Qt passes it unless MySQL version is < 5.0 |
| [18:09:45] | sphery: | but since we require 5.0.15+ |
| [18:13:44] | wagnerrp: | any way to get trac to display that nice pretty colored display for a diff without actually committing it? |
| [18:15:18] | sphery: | I use vim |
| [18:15:21] | sphery: | svn diff | view - |
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| [18:15:33] | sphery: | slightly different colors but still readable |
| [18:15:47] | wagnerrp: | that works, thanks |
| [18:16:26] | wagnerrp: | at least that way it has color, and its editable |
| [18:17:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: OK, so looking closer at the Qt code, I think you have to explicitly request a reconnecting connection |
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| [18:18:32] | wagnerrp: | explicitly reconnect? or just test the connection |
| [18:18:48] | sphery: | I'm starting to think we need to revert http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23057 and then just use MYSQL_OPT_RECONNECT |
| [18:18:50] | wagnerrp: | in python (and i believe C), you 'ping' the server to see if the connection is alive |
| [18:18:57] | wagnerrp: | and you can have it automatically reconnect if not |
| [18:19:06] | sphery: | in our setConnectionOptions() |
| [18:19:15] | sphery: | yeah, you can set ping, too |
| [18:19:18] | wagnerrp: | i have a custom cursor class set up to do that automatically for everything |
| [18:19:20] | sphery: | we have a kickdatabase that does that |
| [18:19:27] | sphery: | using the built in probably makes sense |
| [18:20:05] | wagnerrp: | the 'oursql' python module supports auto-reconnect in that manner, but the official one does not |
| [18:20:28] | wagnerrp: | so i ended up having to write a cursor to do it independently |
| [18:20:55] | wagnerrp: | supposedly 'oursql' is much improved off the official ones, but there is very little packager support |
| [18:20:57] | sphery: | Only problem is that MYSQL_OPT_RECONNECT is only supported with Qt 4.6+ |
| [18:21:46] | wagnerrp: | so that just means youll have to move to an embedded database before i have reason to migrate sql libraries... :P |
| [18:22:04] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
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| [18:27:52] | i_is_cat: | is the childish theme not supposed to have a live video preview during the guide? or is something b0rked? |
| [18:29:06] | wagnerrp: | in the livetv guide? or in the watch recordings screen? |
| [18:29:24] | i_is_cat: | livetv guide |
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| [18:32:07] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1602 . . . lasses-3d-tv |
| [18:34:53] | wagnerrp: | why so low res? |
| [18:35:03] | sphery: | good question |
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| [18:35:09] | sphery: | how's it compare to the one your work has? |
| [18:35:26] | wagnerrp: | one at work is a 15" 1024x768 |
| [18:35:39] | wagnerrp: | but when you turn on 3D, the horizontal resolution gets halved |
| [18:35:46] | wagnerrp: | since those same pixels have to drive two images |
| [18:35:46] | sphery: | ah |
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| [18:36:45] | wagnerrp: | i assume this is going to be like a drop down display for a car? |
| [18:37:07] | wagnerrp: | so they know where the people will be sitting, and can tune the filter for those locations |
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| [18:48:32] | i_is_cat: | well im not a coder or anything but im looking at the schedule-ui.xml file for childish and i see programguide-video listed.. |
| [18:49:00] | iamlindoro: | which is the name of a window, not a widget |
| [18:49:35] | i_is_cat: | alrighty.. so it doesnt have the video preview then.. |
| [18:49:38] | iamlindoro: | The author chose not to put video in, no video widget is present |
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| [18:50:00] | i_is_cat: | thanks iamlindoro i was just wondering if its broken or something |
| [18:50:07] | iamlindoro: | doesn't appear so |
| [18:50:08] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [18:51:50] | mag0o: | probably wasn't room there |
| [18:51:53] | mag0o: | :) |
| [18:53:23] | i_is_cat: | i really like the theme pink and green are my fav colours. but i really like that livetv preview in the guide :S |
| [18:53:46] | mag0o: | i could probably trim down the guide there and add it |
| [18:54:05] | mag0o: | it was just easier at the time to just copy the other program guide and be done |
| [18:54:18] | i_is_cat: | makes sense |
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| [19:22:20] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: Will a RemoteFile::Exists work on a directory? |
| [19:22:49] | iamlindoro: | And if not, a patch to make it do so okay? |
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| [19:58:06] | ** iamlindoro watches wagnerrp put the python bindings further out of reach of any other bindings ** | |
| [20:01:29] | GreyFoxx: | iaml: Can't wait to pick up a drive and test your patch :) |
| [20:01:40] | GreyFoxx: | Though I need to get an app to rip the disks first :) |
| [20:02:28] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: I am thinking to commit tonight or tomorrow |
| [20:02:35] | iamlindoro: | Then go away for the weekend where nobody can yell at me ;) |
| [20:02:39] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [20:02:50] | iamlindoro: | It's definitely not perfect yet, I need to get to the bottom of why seeking doesn't work |
| [20:02:53] | GreyFoxx: | I'm gonna see if I can find one of those hybrid drives around somewhere |
| [20:02:55] | iamlindoro: | but it's still pretty spiffy |
| [20:03:43] | iamlindoro: | I suspect people will complain about not being able to pop a disk in... but that will come, and when it does, we'll be ready for it |
| [20:03:50] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [20:04:12] | iamlindoro: | and FWIW you *can* pop an AVC-DVD in and it works |
| [20:04:26] | iamlindoro: | at least, in my limited testing with a "faked" structure |
| [20:04:56] | stuartm: | BluRay with myth is never going to be a feature I'll use until you can just stick the disk in |
| [20:05:16] | stuartm: | which isn't to say I don't appreciate all the work you are doing |
| [20:05:22] | iamlindoro: | Thanks for the encouragement ;) |
| [20:05:26] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: with any luck, ill have some competition here shortly |
| [20:06:46] | wagnerrp: | beirdo is planning on making some improvements to the perl bindings, as is one of the recent regulars in here |
| [20:06:49] | iamlindoro: | Would be cool |
| [20:07:24] | wagnerrp: | wow... i just put this shirt on backwards AND inside out |
| [20:07:43] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: like I said, I do appreciate what you are doing, but I'm lazy and with respect to friend/family, don't want to explain that to watch the disk they just brought over I'll need to disappear for 20 minutes whilst I rip it ;) |
| [20:07:55] | wagnerrp: | oh the folly of tagless clothes |
| [20:08:01] | janneg: | iamlindoro: I'll yell at you if the patch duplicates every RingBuffer->IsDVD() as RingBuffer()->IsBDROM |
| [20:08:15] | iamlindoro: | janneg: It doesn't. |
| [20:08:16] | janneg: | in avformatdecoder.cpp |
| [20:08:22] | iamlindoro: | RingBuffer->isBD() ;) |
| [20:08:22] | iamlindoro: | hahah |
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| [20:09:00] | iamlindoro: | I don't actually have any code at all in AVFD |
| [20:09:08] | iamlindoro: | There is some ugly in RingBuffer.cpp and decoderbase, though |
| [20:09:23] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: heh, took me an hour this morning to notice that the t-shirt I put on had bird crap on the inside, apparently a well aimed shot whilst it was on the washing line |
| [20:09:35] | GreyFoxx: | It seems to me that our loading/parsing SRT's is crazy slow. Last night I started playing with making some from some of my ripped DVD's and it was taking 21 seconds to load the SRT along. remove the file and playback was almost instant |
| [20:09:41] | janneg: | it's fine as initial support, but we have to find a way to move all the DVD out of avfd |
| [20:09:55] | iamlindoro: | janneg: I am fairly certain mark has done so in the OSD branch |
| [20:09:55] | wagnerrp: | on the inside? eeew.... |
| [20:10:12] | iamlindoro: | janneg: has moved to a seperate MythDVDPlayer class, I think |
| [20:10:13] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: it was dried, but yeah |
| [20:10:16] | janneg: | iamlindoro: I think only in NVP |
| [20:10:22] | iamlindoro: | ah, you are probably right |
| [20:10:37] | wagnerrp: | couple years ago my roommate, a friend, and i were going to dinner |
| [20:10:45] | wagnerrp: | parked at the edge of the parking lot trying to decide where to go |
| [20:11:00] | wagnerrp: | bird drops one right through the sunroof, and on my roommate's face |
| [20:11:11] | GreyFoxx: | nice :) |
| [20:11:20] | GreyFoxx: | was his mouth open?:) |
| [20:11:31] | wagnerrp: | sadly no |
| [20:12:27] | wagnerrp: | i was about to drive off in amusement when he screamed 'stop the da-- car' |
| [20:12:33] | wagnerrp: | bolted out the door, back in the apartment |
| [20:12:41] | wagnerrp: | he was gone long enough, he must have taken a shower |
| [20:12:46] | GreyFoxx: | hahahahaha |
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| [20:16:34] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: No offense was taken, I know you well enough to know where your heart is. I do suspect that discussion will focus more on its limitations than excitement about its potential, but that's neither here nor there |
| [20:17:22] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: I should probably do some testing with libaacs in the next few weeks, there's at least a fair chance that with a hack to turn on dlopen of that, that any early BD with AACS only protection should play fine |
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| [20:38:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, making ::Exists() check for dirs makes sense. I tweaked the MythContext reorg stuff a little bit more last night. I'll probably start on a subpatch to switch RemoteFile to use the master connection where it can. Eventually, it will check the MFSW then hit the master if necessary. |
| [20:39:07] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: Cool, reason should be obvious given recent context |
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| [20:40:06] | stuartm: | *mmm* input validation |
| [20:40:13] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah. once we have MFSW, we may need other helpers in there as well. |
| [20:40:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | ::Stat(), things like that might be helpful. |
| [20:41:19] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [20:41:30] | stuartm: | heh, just remembered something I was going to put in the textarea code then forgot, |
| [20:43:20] | stuartm: | it was going to have a state and associated statetype to visually reflect when a problem was discovered with the input, e.g. entered directory doesn't exist or input doesn't match requirements (6 chars in an 8 char password) |
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| [20:45:04] | skd5aner: | what is MFSW? |
| [20:45:11] | iamlindoro: | MythFileSystemWatcher |
| [20:45:24] | skd5aner: | thx |
| [20:45:34] | iamlindoro: | ah-yup |
| [20:46:03] | iamlindoro: | (a wrapper class around QFileSystemWatcher, which is a cross-platform method of watching certain directories for changes) |
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| [20:46:56] | sphery: | inode someone would come up with something cool like that |
| [20:47:12] | iamlindoro: | har har |
| [20:47:30] | sphery: | when it's done, inotify everyone |
| [20:47:35] | skd5aner: | ewww... but I'm a sucker for bad puns |
| [20:47:41] | iamlindoro: | yes, you should "handle" that |
| [20:47:54] | johnnyj: | yuck yuck |
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| [20:51:45] | stuartm: | wrapper is perhaps unfair, based on Captain_Murdoch's descriptions it's a very, very nice and very capable class which happens to leverage QFileSystemWatcher to provide directory/file modification notification to any plugin or component of mythtv that has an interest |
| [20:51:58] | stuartm: | s/unfair/a simplification/ |
| [20:52:36] | Captain_Murdoch: | stuartm, s/is/should be (when I really get going on it after MythCoreContext)/ :) |
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| [20:53:00] | iamlindoro: | Was only speaking from the last time I saw it/used it :) |
| [20:53:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | ie, I haven't got as far on it as I'd like since I had to rework MythContext some. |
| [20:54:08] | ** iamlindoro really wishes Captain_Murdoch would get some work done around here ;) ** | |
| [20:54:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | in reality it is mainly a user of QFileSystemWatcher, so calling it MFileSystemWatcher really may not be the best name. you won't instantiate a MFSW just because you want ot watch a dir. |
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| [20:55:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | I see it as a big local/remote directory/file metadata cache with notifications built in. |
| [20:56:09] | sphery: | MythCloudFileSystem? Jump on the bandwagon? |
| [20:56:24] | Captain_Murdoch: | s/dF/dyF/ :) |
| [20:56:33] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:57:09] | wagnerrp: | stores your recordings in the clouds, can even recover lost recordings that you never recorded! |
| [20:57:31] | sphery: | using "virtual" tuners, of course |
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| [20:58:00] | wagnerrp: | recordings were meant to be free |
| [20:58:01] | stuartm: | heh, 'cloud' support in myth == bittorrent |
| [20:59:31] | iamlindoro: | Didn't that guy set up a googlecode project for that nonsense? |
| [21:00:14] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/410014#410014 |
| [21:00:24] | sphery: | though the google group seems dead |
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| [21:01:35] | sphery: | and the far-more-interesting follow-on thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/410092#410092 |
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| [21:02:48] | sphery: | iamlindoro: heh, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8390 |
| [21:03:28] | iamlindoro: | You have no idea how quickly I raced to close that |
| [21:03:33] | iamlindoro: | I aws so afraid someone would beat me to it |
| [21:03:40] | iamlindoro: | but yay, it was all mine |
| [21:03:46] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but ive seen you close in under 90 seconds before |
| [21:03:58] | wagnerrp: | this one was just childs play |
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| [21:04:33] | sphery: | Yeah, 4mins... Seems kind of excessive. I think iamlindoro is losing his touch. |
| [21:04:43] | iamlindoro: | I think my best response time ever may have been under 30 seconds |
| [21:04:54] | sphery: | Used to be he could come up with a haiku in under 10s |
| [21:05:10] | iamlindoro: | Oooh, I haven't done a haiku in a while, I'll have to watch out for opportunity |
| [21:05:29] | johnnyj: | i wrote a haiku on tcp/ip the other day and sent it to TWC |
| [21:05:30] | iamlindoro: | The haiku was because the ticket description was like five words long or something |
| [21:05:33] | sphery: | I'm waiting for the iambic pentameter |
| [21:06:39] | Zathraz: | Hi. Since upgrading both MythTV and my kernel I have the obvious tuner-rename issue. However something else seems wrong too. I have a PVR350 card (ivtv0->video0) and a bt878 card (dev/video1) however the later seems no longer be working. (kernel 2.6.32).What can be case? |
| [21:07:42] | wagnerrp: | if they got renamed, just update their dev nodes in mythv-setup |
| [21:08:34] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8391 is that thread doing something w/ Events before it dies? |
| [21:08:53] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i honestly cant imagine how that mythcloud would even work |
| [21:09:08] | Zathraz: | cat /dev/video1 > file.mpg no longer gives a proper file as it used to. So there must be something wrong |
| [21:09:14] | wagnerrp: | a single 1hr digital recording would take nearly a full day of my upload to send to someone else for processing |
| [21:09:43] | wagnerrp: | Zathraz: exactly as you said, they got renamed, so the 350 is now on /dev/video0 |
| [21:09:48] | iamlindoro: | Zathraz: If /dev/video1 is a bt878 card, cat would never have worked |
| [21:09:58] | wagnerrp: | you have to update mythtv-setup to match |
| [21:10:27] | Zathraz: | iamlindoro, how can I lowlevel test that card otherwise please? |
| [21:10:58] | wagnerrp: | "<Zathraz> I have a PVR350 card (ivtv0->video0)" |
| [21:11:07] | wagnerrp: | you want to try 'cat /dev/video0 > file' |
| [21:11:16] | Zathraz: | that worksfine |
| [21:11:20] | iamlindoro: | For the bt878, you could use something like tvtime |
| [21:11:23] | wagnerrp: | so then whats the problem? |
| [21:11:38] | Zathraz: | I want to make sure the other card works fine too |
| [21:11:47] | iamlindoro: | But as wagnerrp alludes to, there's no indication that anything is wrong here aside from your cards re-ordered themselves and you need to compensate |
| [21:12:06] | Zathraz: | as after the update of mythtv-setup to match the tuner names I still cannot watch tv through mythtv |
| [21:12:18] | wagnerrp: | have you restarted the backend? |
| [21:12:27] | iamlindoro: | This is what backend logs were made for |
| [21:14:01] | Zathraz: | Channel(/dev/video0): SetInputAndFormat() failed |
| [21:14:23] | iamlindoro: | pastebin entire logs, not just the one line you think is important |
| [21:14:40] | ** iamlindoro cleans off his dental tools ** | |
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| [21:15:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, looks like it is doing UI stuff from the non-UI System Event thread. we probably need to move setUpdatesEnabled(enabled) out of MythMainWindow::SetDrawEnabled(). this would/could be an issue whenever myth_system is run from any non-UI thread, it's not just System Events. |
| [21:17:03] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: I see. Thank you for the analysis/looking |
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| [21:24:02] | Zathraz: | http://yourpaste.net/5291 |
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| [21:29:39] | iamlindoro: | Zathraz: Please truncate the log, restart the backend, and attempt to make a recording on each card. |
| [21:29:43] | iamlindoro: | Then get us a fresh log |
| [21:30:07] | Zathraz: | recording by myth itself I presume? |
| [21:31:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Yeah, exactly... Commflagging, etc, is exactly the opposite of the small-data/big-CPU problem that works well for distributed processing. |
| [21:31:15] | iamlindoro: | yes |
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| [21:36:11] | PhoenixMage: | Hi guys, I have my mythweb instance installed on a different server then my backend, does mythweb support storage groups on remote backends in 0.23rc2? |
| [21:36:32] | iamlindoro: | I wonder if anyone will ever say, "Wow, the MythTV developers sure get on tickets fast" the way they used to say "The MythTV developers are JERKS, they let tickets rot for years." |
| [21:36:50] | wagnerrp: | PhoenixMage: depends on what you mean by support |
| [21:37:10] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: now theyll say 'the mythtv developers are jerks, look how quickly they close my tickets invalid' |
| [21:37:15] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [21:37:31] | iamlindoro: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1377685 |
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| [21:37:34] | iamlindoro: | posts 9–11 |
| [21:37:40] | wagnerrp: | PhoenixMage: AFAIK, mythmusic is the only module in mythweb that supports remote streaming |
| [21:37:40] | dustybin: | there would be a mythtv developer of the year award |
| [21:37:44] | dustybin: | *should |
| [21:37:49] | iamlindoro: | "You can find the explanation for why the MythTV developers don't care about people like you or me at the Wiki discussion page:" |
| [21:37:54] | wagnerrp: | the rest of them require the content to be mounted in the right place locally |
| [21:38:12] | PhoenixMage: | wagnerrp: bugger, ok thanks |
| [21:38:50] | wagnerrp: | PhoenixMage: patches of course welcome, all of that data should be available through the backend web server (port 6544) |
| [21:39:00] | wagnerrp: | someone just needs to update the access methods do use them instead |
| [21:39:20] | PhoenixMage: | ok, thanks for the info |
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| [21:40:45] | ** iamlindoro gets the MythTV's most yelled at in forums dev of the year award ** | |
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| [21:41:47] | johnnyj: | ah the Prestige |
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| [21:42:17] | iamlindoro: | Someone's got to absorb all that precious abuse |
| [21:45:14] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: since when are external player problems our problem? |
| [21:45:18] | sphery: | I have to admit it was terrible of me to let a ticket rot for 4mos and then take an additional 2hrs to get a patch after someone finally produced the segfault I asked for before the ticket was even opened. /me is a jerk |
| [21:45:56] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: which issue are we talking about? |
| [21:46:11] | wagnerrp: | "* iamlindoro has an excellent solution to mythvideo external player problems" |
| [21:46:22] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: heh, but my solution is the rip them out |
| [21:46:37] | iamlindoro: | thus solving the issue |
| [21:46:45] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: somehow users find a way to make them our problem ;) |
| [21:46:53] | sphery: | the problem he's talking about is a problem in the code causing a segfault at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8391 |
| [21:47:19] | sphery: | I have another way to fix that problem... :) |
| [21:47:30] | sphery: | rip out the code that's causing it |
| [21:47:37] | iamlindoro: | sphery: but...but... 7% CPU USE!!!! |
| [21:47:45] | sphery: | but then we'll have to listen to users complain that they get 7% CPU usage at idle |
| [21:48:16] | sphery: | when it's really more of a reporting issue in their measuring CPU usage |
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| [21:52:26] | Zathraz: | hmm.recording is a nightmare |
| [21:52:27] | Zathraz: | http://yourpaste.net/5292 |
| [21:53:03] | Zathraz: | it seems to ignore 1 card and the other seems erroneous |
| [21:53:35] | Zathraz: | I also fail to see "tuner2" |
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| [22:06:01] | ak74: | Hello |
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| [22:06:21] | ak74: | I am needing help setting up ivtv |
| [22:06:28] | ak74: | I think |
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| [22:08:13] | Zathraz: | should tuner2 turn up in mythtv-setup ? |
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| [22:17:16] | ak74: | hello |
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| [22:21:38] | boreix: | hi all |
| [22:21:46] | boreix: | quick question |
| [22:22:04] | boreix: | does mythtv support multi-thread ? |
| [22:22:14] | boreix: | i have 4 core system |
| [22:22:17] | stuartm: | heh |
| [22:22:31] | boreix: | during playback only one CPU loaded at 100 |
| [22:22:35] | stuartm: | I love that question |
| [22:22:39] | boreix: | mkv 1920x1080 |
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| [22:23:02] | boreix: | and ofcause i'm getting prebuffering paused |
| [22:23:11] | stuartm: | boreix: for video, yes, but only certain codecs e.g. H.264 |
| [22:23:20] | boreix: | hmm |
| [22:23:24] | boreix: | it h264 |
| [22:23:25] | stuartm: | and you need to specify how many cores to use in the settings |
| [22:23:35] | boreix: | that is good point |
| [22:23:38] | boreix: | where ? |
| [22:23:43] | stuartm: | it won't just use them all without asking ;) |
| [22:24:01] | boreix: | ?? |
| [22:24:17] | boreix: | sorry ESL (english second language) |
| [22:24:33] | stuartm: | Playback Profiles – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles |
| [22:25:00] | stuartm: | hmm, that page misses the more important details, like where to find that page in the settings |
| [22:25:49] | ak74: | anyone help me with a Hauppauge wintv-pvr-500 card setup |
| [22:25:50] | stuartm: | Setup > TV Settings > Playback > 3rd Page, click Edit |
| [22:26:15] | boreix: | that numbers – is it number of CPU cores ? |
| [22:27:00] | stuartm: | Max CPUs – yeah, number of cores |
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| [22:34:39] | boreix: | how to save configuration ? |
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| [22:38:15] | boreix: | it works |
| [22:38:20] | boreix: | it works |
| [22:38:33] | boreix: | utilizatio is ~120–125 % |
| [22:38:42] | boreix: | cooool |
| [22:39:11] | boreix: | one more question ;-) |
| [22:39:15] | boreix: | non-existing SPS 1 referenced in buffering period |
| [22:39:19] | boreix: | what is that |
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| [22:58:01] | wagnerrp: | gah... why do these credit card companies and other call centers always employ people who cannot speak english |
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| [22:58:50] | nutron: | wagnerrp: do you really need to ask? =D |
| [22:59:23] | wagnerrp: | how am i supposed to confirm if something is fraudulent charge if i cant hardly understand them to tell what the charge was |
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| [23:00:37] | nutron: | hah I feel your pain, been there, done that. Fired them all. |
| [23:01:25] | wagnerrp: | apparently someone purchased a $313 plane ticket on my account |
| [23:04:20] | nutron: | :o |
| [23:04:30] | nutron: | nice... I'm assuming it wasn't you? |
| [23:05:08] | wagnerrp: | im not flying anywhere |
| [23:05:12] | sphery: | wagnerrp: sorry... I thought you said it's OK. |
| [23:05:17] | sphery: | Just wanted a little vacation |
| [23:05:50] | sphery: | seems strange to purchase a plane ticket using a stolen credit card--unless it's a "departing in minutes" one |
| [23:06:10] | sphery: | since once the CC company informs the airline company, they could easily stop the guy who tries to check in with that ticket |
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| [23:09:57] | wagnerrp: | always nice when company men are around to submit patches |
| [23:10:36] | iamlindoro: | And always nice when they come back after unrealistic intervals to harangue you into committing them :) |
| [23:10:45] | wagnerrp: | well.. there is that |
| [23:11:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah, 130KB is patches is a bit much to expect to be committed overnight |
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| [23:19:18] | nutron: | gah! |
| [23:19:35] | nutron: | wagnerrp: what was your lang of choice before python? |
| [23:19:51] | wagnerrp: | matlab, fortran, and C |
| [23:20:00] | wagnerrp: | with a smattering of bash |
| [23:20:02] | nutron: | colon-oh |
| [23:20:37] | nutron: | fortran? ... C? and the whitespace stuff didn't bother you? |
| [23:21:15] | wagnerrp: | not really |
| [23:24:44] | sphery: | I'm on nutron's side on this one |
| [23:30:59] | wagnerrp: | fortran's crap about the first seven characters being various formatting flags bothered me far more than python's quirks |
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| [23:57:41] | ** iamlindoro wonders why people are still opening tickets against .21 ** | |
| [23:58:08] | ** wagnerrp wonders why youre trying to force people to progress with the times ** | |
| [23:58:15] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [23:58:26] | wagnerrp: | theres no school like old school |
| [23:58:37] | wagnerrp: | statically defined UIs FTW! |
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