| Tuesday, April 27th, 2010, 00:00 UTC |
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PeaceKeeper: |
Can I control volume going out HDMI from the internal volume control in Mythtv? |
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sphery: |
not if it's passthrough of AC-3 or DTS |
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sphery: |
unless you're using some softvol with re-encoding |
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PeaceKeeper: |
Ok |
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sphery: |
look at the advanced audio options in 0.23-fixes |
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PeaceKeeper: |
that is what I needed to know. I have audio out HDMI but revciver is in closet next o media room |
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sphery: |
LIRC is the best approach, IMHO |
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PeaceKeeper: |
I only have .22-fixes. No time to follow the dev mail list right now |
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sphery: |
change the volume on the receiver |
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sphery: |
no need to follow the -dev/-commits lists with 0.23-fixes |
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sphery: |
0.23-fixes != trunk |
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sphery: |
and, IMHO, 0.23-fixes is in much better shape than 0.22-fixes |
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PeaceKeeper: |
SInce I have not seen a ".23 released!" on the website I was waiting |
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PeaceKeeper: |
I might have to update :) |
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sphery: |
well, if you wait, you'll likely get almost exactly what you would get if you upgrade now |
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PeaceKeeper: |
cool, then I will do it this weekend :D |
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PeaceKeeper: |
thank you for the tip! |
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sphery: |
PeaceKeeper: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/433883#433883 |
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PeaceKeeper: |
Nice! |
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sphery: |
use distro packages, though |
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sphery: |
(assuming you are using them for 0.22-fixes) |
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dfletcher: |
hah that's funny! so wifey comes home and grabs that remote I just blogged about and myth goes crazy! like the wrong items are getting triggered. I thought she was pressing all the wrong buttons and I'm like "gimme that remote!" :P but hah direct sunlight was hitting the receiver eye. remote signal + sunlight == corrupt remote signal |
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dfletcher: |
funny how much random 38khz IR noise there is out there |
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sphery: |
heh |
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nutron: |
PeaceKeeper: does M2 mean anything to you? |
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sunny: |
hey guys, is there a recommended remote that does not have too many buttons? |
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nutron: |
sunny: yes, the one you find that best suits your needs. |
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sphery: |
and here I'm always trying to find a good remote with more buttons |
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sunny: |
well I've read up on all of them on the wiki, and the remotes supported well seem to lack elegant design ... |
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PeaceKeeper: |
Sorry sphery my laptop when to sleep |
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PeaceKeeper: |
thx I will update soon as Chuck is done recording |
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PeaceKeeper: |
:D |
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nutron: |
PeaceKeeper: if you didn't get it, does M2 mean anything to you? |
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sphery: |
PeaceKeeper: well, no hurry, but definitely worth doing when you have some free time/open time in your recording schedule |
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PeaceKeeper: |
M2 ? |
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sphery: |
hip, new name for candy-coated chocolates that melt in your mouth, not in your hands? |
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nutron: |
lol! |
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nutron: |
naw, more sinister, I knew a guy in a project called PeaceKeeper, must not be the same guy. |
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nutron: |
well not sinister as in illegal heh... |
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sphery: |
did it involve nuclear missiles? |
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PeaceKeeper: |
I know about some of that but I am not at liberty to talk about that anywhere with out security |
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nutron: |
lips are sealed |
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** nutron goes back to fondling perl ** |
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sphery: |
strange... some black van with tinted windows just pulled up outside |
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PeaceKeeper: |
Hehe |
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** PeaceKeeper tosses laptop out back door... ** |
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nutron: |
hah! are you still chewing your stride gum? |
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** sphery runs his rm -rf / ** |
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sphery: |
but since it's ext3, it's taking way too long |
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nutron: |
lol! |
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PeaceKeeper: |
I got flash working in MythBrowser! :D |
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dfletcher: |
hmm speaking of elegant remotes do you think it's OTT to build mine inside http://serpac.com/Products/Rseries/R300.aspx ? I'm going for the "snuke" look :P |
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wagnerrp: |
iamlindoro, RDV_Linux: yep, my fault |
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RDV_Linux: |
wagnerrp: Your a stand up guy :) |
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wagnerrp: |
guess that means i have to fix it too |
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wagnerrp: |
i did a grep for stuff i renamed, and RDV ran his own battery of tests |
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wagnerrp: |
but it seems stuff still slipped through |
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wagnerrp: |
bah, not my fault |
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wagnerrp: |
!trout iamlindoro user error, invalid install |
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** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a user error, invalid install trout on behalf of wagnerrp... ** |
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wagnerrp: |
http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . idge.py#L555 |
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RDV_Linux: |
wagnerrp: He's going to have a hard time living this one down;) |
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iamlindoro: |
You're right, with such descriptive error messages it shoudl have occurred to me immediately |
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iamlindoro: |
nice work on the error handling, boys |
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iamlindoro: |
:P |
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wagnerrp: |
yeah, versioning should prevent this sort of thing in the future |
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sphery: |
wagnerrp: are you doing proper XML parsing for the config.xml in the Python bindings? |
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sphery: |
(meaning will things like <!-- --> comments work properly) |
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sphery: |
especially if they span multiple lines and contain valid--but should be ignored--tags |
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wagnerrp: |
im letting xml.etree.cElementTree.parse do my xml parsing |
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sphery: |
coo |
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sphery: |
l |
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wagnerrp: |
i cant really say as to whether it does things properly |
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wagnerrp: |
but im going to assume so until informed otherwise |
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sphery: |
the bindings are using a no-pre-req's, but not proper approach |
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sphery: |
maybe nutron will fix that for us... ;) |
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wagnerrp: |
s/bindings/perl bindings/? |
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sphery: |
yeah, perl |
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sphery: |
forgot that |
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nutron: |
fix what? |
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wagnerrp: |
yeah, the MySQLdb module is the only non-standard one i pull in |
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wagnerrp: |
aside from lxml that im using for parsing with that script downloader |
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nutron: |
nope, not using anything that isn't perl core |
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sphery: |
nutron: in the Perl bindings, we have code that parses config.xml, but instead of doing a proper XML parsing, it's just using regex to pull out stuff. So, things like commented tags don't work ( http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22970 would be good, but had to remove the tag, as in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22972 ) |
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sphery: |
is there any perl core support for XML parsing? |
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nutron: |
yessir |
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** sphery would /love/ a patch that changes the config.xml parsing to use it. :) ** |
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iamlindoro: |
http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-April/287464.html |
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iamlindoro: |
Somone needs to explain to that guy that there's no "trigger" for releases |
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iamlindoro: |
ie, no magic bug number or type that once passed, triggers a release |
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sphery: |
nutron: bindings/perl/MythTV.pm around line 260 and after, if you're interested |
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wagnerrp: |
we dont have to wait for proper astrological alignment? |
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nutron: |
sphery: heh, i'm still just putting in calls, trying to match the python. |
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wagnerrp: |
i thought thats what our 'logistical' errors were... |
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iamlindoro: |
and using blocker like he wants to would render the blocker priority useless |
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nutron: |
sphery: k i'll look |
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sphery: |
nutron: it does need to also support mysql.txt parsing (which is Name=Value instead of <Name>Value</Name>), too |
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sphery: |
but thanks... |
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sphery: |
not high priority, either |
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wagnerrp: |
sphery: yeah, im wondering if i should add processing and creation of that back |
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wagnerrp: |
seeing as how mythtv doesnt actually seem to use that config.xml for anything |
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nutron: |
sphery: would it suffice to mangle that code to do proper XML parsing and putting the data in the $mysql_conf hash? |
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sphery: |
wagnerrp: oh, right, perl bindings no longer support mysql.txt, either |
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sphery: |
so it would only need to support config.xml |
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sphery: |
forgot |
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nutron: |
whoa what? |
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sphery: |
nutron: yeah, I think that would be perfect |
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wagnerrp: |
nutron: some time back, mythtv dropped the mysql.txt in favor of config.xml |
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sphery: |
nutron: I forgot that we don't have to support mysql.txt in the Perl bindings (since we don't currently support it there) |
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wagnerrp: |
except it didnt... and doesnt really use config.xml |
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wagnerrp: |
go figure |
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sphery: |
it does use config.xml |
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sphery: |
I have 0 mysql.txts on any of my systems |
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wagnerrp: |
sphery: when i set up my dev vm, i did it with no mysql.txt |
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nutron: |
k, drop support for mysql.txt, use config.xml exclusively. |
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wagnerrp: |
and the frontend errored, saying it couldnt find it |
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nutron: |
got it |
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wagnerrp: |
ran me through the database config |
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wagnerrp: |
even though i had a proper config.xml |
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sphery: |
nutron: actually, the perl bindings already dropped support for mysql.txt--that's what I forgot. You /could/ however, change that comment on line 260 to say config.xml so it's a proper comment :) |
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nutron: |
lol that's what I read :), good catch. |
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sphery: |
wagnerrp: I'd love to know why... I really don't have mysql.txt on my systems and it works fine--including my dev system with trunk |
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wagnerrp: |
well i could give it another try |
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wagnerrp: |
but it refused to do anything until i recreated that file |
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sphery: |
wagnerrp: it will prompt for info if you don't have some settings in the DB |
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sphery: |
I don't remember which... but basically, I know the language prompt comes up sometimes when I mess with the settings... |
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sphery: |
On a new config, we may need to allow just config.xml... |
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sphery: |
may be that the prompt code will prompt if the IP/hostname settings are missing and if there's no mysql.txt (and it doesn't look for config.xml...) |
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sphery: |
if so, I should fix that |
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nutron: |
sphery, wagnerrp ... can you run this in your shell? I just read that XML::Simple may not be included in some distros... I don't know which ones. |
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nutron: |
perl -MXML::Simple -e 'print "I can read XML!\n"'; |
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sphery: |
wagnerrp: so, for config files--like contrib/config_files/lirc/* --make a new non-script category but still include Script info tags? |
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nutron: |
uhh, you can exclude that semi-colon |
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nutron: |
or keep it, whatever :P |
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sphery: |
I thought XML::Simple was a separate package |
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nutron: |
it's core in debian |
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nutron: |
as of 5.10 |
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wagnerrp: |
sphery: sure, i guess just mark them as category 'lirc config', and make their filename all be ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
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nutron: |
XML::LibXML is core for sure, it's been there forever |
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sphery: |
nutron: well, using a source install of Perl, I had to install XML-Simple-2.18 , but I think it's OK for the Perl bindings to rely on it. :) |
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nutron: |
sphery: recent source install? |
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sphery: |
Pretty much all of the useful Perl scripts will always need some kind of XML stuff |
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sphery: |
yeah, 5.10.1 |
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nutron: |
:o |
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sphery: |
no biggie... just use it |
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sphery: |
better than a hack that can cause problems |
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nutron: |
XML::LibXML is core, i'll use that instead |
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sphery: |
heh, I had to install XML-LibXML-1.70 |
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wagnerrp: |
'cant locate XML/Simple.pm' |
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iamlindoro: |
strtok got lost, I guess |
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nutron: |
it's just .. bigger .. fatter .. but just as nice (if not nicer)... kinda like my cousin Olga |
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nutron: |
wtf?! |
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nutron: |
lol! |
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sphery: |
Use XML::Simple |
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nutron: |
I'll go re-read the perldocs, see what's considered core, I'd rather not install something if not needed. |
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nutron: |
Though I don't remember ever installing those modules. |
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nutron: |
wagnerrp: what distro? |
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wagnerrp: |
no distro |
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sphery: |
bsd? |
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wagnerrp: |
free* |
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nutron: |
lfs? |
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nutron: |
oh ok. |
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sphery: |
Isn't FreeBSD the one MS thinks is least viral? |
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sphery: |
or was that NetBSD? |
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wagnerrp: |
if i tried it on any of my linux boxes, they would probably already have the necessary perl modules due to mythweather requirements |
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sphery: |
yeah, agreed... any sane GNU/Linux distro will have it, anyway |
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sphery: |
*BSD and MacOS l^Husers can install it |
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wagnerrp: |
i think theyre not afraid of netbsd, since netbsd is designed to run on all sorts of hardware microsoft doesnt want to use anyway |
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sphery: |
ah, that may be it |
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strtok: |
hello. how do you enable nvidia audio support on ubuntu for HDMI audio? |
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nutron: |
XML::Parser is core, using the expat library. |
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nutron: |
What are the dependencies of mythweather? |
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** nutron goes to look at the source ** |
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wagnerrp: |
dont have one of those either |
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sphery: |
hmmm... I installed XML-Parser-2.36 |
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nutron: |
ok perldoc.perl.org is crap... wth |
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sphery: |
still, anyone /should/ have XML::Simple, so... |
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nutron: |
Ok, I'll go on that. |
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sphery: |
maybe they say it's "core" meaning "should always be installed--even if it's not in the perl source package, itself" |
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nutron: |
maybe, like you said 20 times, I'll use XML::Simple :D |
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sphery: |
lol |
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sphery: |
Anyway--despite crushing your hopes multiple times--I /do/ appreciate the work you're doing. :) |
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nutron: |
hah don't worry, I come from a background of being beaten. :P |
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nutron: |
Of course I'm talking about being in the software industry |
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rstory: |
hi.. is there a good way to check the status of a remote system with just ssh access? |
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wagnerrp: |
status of a frontend? |
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rstory: |
the router in front of my remote system got switched out, and the machine's ip changed.. i'm trying to figure out if I've updated all the right places and it's working.. |
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rstory: |
backend |
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wagnerrp: |
check your logs |
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sphery: |
nutron: oh, so you use Windows a lot? |
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sphery: |
:) |
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nutron: |
Nah, that'd be insulting. |
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rstory: |
wagnerrp: I see the frontend (on the same machine) connecting in the backend log... |
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nutron: |
Haven't used windows since about 2001 or so. |
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rstory: |
is the a cli way to see what the encoder statuses are? |
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wagnerrp: |
wget http://<backend ip>:6544/xml -O - |
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nutron: |
wget http://yourbackendip:6544/xml ... |
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wagnerrp: |
woo! |
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nutron: |
beat me to it |
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rstory: |
unfortunately mythweb hasn't survived the ip change.. |
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rstory: |
cool... state="0" sleepstatus="8" connected="1" |
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sphery: |
why not: lynx http://<backend ip>:6544/ |
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nutron: |
rstory: it's not mythweb |
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rstory: |
yes, i know.. i was just mentioning it as an aside.. it's the next thing i need to fix... |
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sphery: |
wagnerrp: so on the lirc config files, do they need to be a subcat of Scripts to be found by the download code? |
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rstory: |
mythweb is returning php errors: Warning: require(modules/_shared/tmpl/tmpl/header.php) [function.require]: failed to open stream |
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sphery: |
rstory: yeah, that's because your DB info is broken |
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sphery: |
rstory: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8158 |
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rstory: |
i've updated the IP in all mysql.txt, the two in the settings DB, and /etc/mythtv/config.xml |
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wagnerrp: |
sphery: to be found by the download code, they just need to have a {{Script info}} tag |
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wagnerrp: |
it doesnt even need to be filled with anything |
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sphery: |
rstory: what about in mythweb conf? |
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sphery: |
wagnerrp: nice... |
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sphery: |
so maybe make a whole new Configuration Files category |
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wagnerrp: |
of course it will just get filled with a bunch of 'unknown' and 'none', and be next to useless |
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sphery: |
thx |
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rstory: |
sphery: YES! that what what I was missing... thanks! |
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wagnerrp: |
sphery: if you want to put one up, i can make some edits to make it work well |
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rstory: |
cool.. scheduled a new recording via mythweb, and it show's the encoder is now recording... |
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sphery: |
wagnerrp: just starting that now |
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rstory: |
whew... luckily i think i only missed one show in the 2 hours it took to get back into the system, find everywhere to fix, and update the addr... |
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sphery: |
wow, we have a ton of contrib/config_files |
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rstory: |
thanks again, and good night. :-) |
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PeaceKeeper: |
Bummer I cant get espn3.com full screen in mythbrowser because I can not figure how to select something on a flash menu. |
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wagnerrp: |
you should complain |
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wagnerrp: |
after all, you are paying to use it |
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