Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, April 25th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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spydmobile:

does anyone know if the arclite theme is actually downloadable from somewhere?

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wagnerrp:

arclight is part of mythtv, there is no need to download it, you already have it

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iamlindoro:

Assuming you're running a version of mythTV with which it is compatible, that is

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wagnerrp:

(meaning 0.23 or newer)

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iamlindoro:

ie, if you don't have it, you can't use it

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spydmobile:

There it is then, Im in .22 (ubuntu 9.10)

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spydmobile:

man I should have asked here forst instead of scrounging for 20 mins ;-) thanks again guys...

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iamlindoro:

FWIW you want to be on .23 anyway ;)

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iamlindoro:

especially if you aren't running mythbuntu autobuilds (because if you're not, you're not even on .22)

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spydmobile:

im not sure im ready to compile myth yet. I just got my head around replacing my mythbuntu 9.10 backend to move to 64 bit...

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spydmobile:

still kind of dizzy from that ;-)

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iamlindoro:

shouldn't be any need to compile-- Ubuntu has .23 packages for 9.10, and 10.04 is .23 by default

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iamlindoro:

www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds if memory serves, install the mythbuntu repository package, select .23 when prompted, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, and you're on .23

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iamlindoro:

(or just update to 10.04 and you will be)

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spydmobile:

is .23 stable enough for day to day use?

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iamlindoro:

.23 is by and large far more stable than .22

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spydmobile:

Wow, ok, working...

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iamlindoro:

The reasons it is not released yet are logistical, not technical

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iamlindoro:

ie, all the blockers are closed

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spydmobile:

silly Q. My backend is now nice and headless, what should I run that deb with dpkg -i?

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iamlindoro:

yes, it's a text-only setup for that deb anyway

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spydmobile:

iamlindoro: ty!

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iamlindoro:

np

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spydmobile:

should i go testing?

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wagnerrp:

testing?

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wagnerrp:

as in trunk?

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wagnerrp:

no, you dont want that

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spydmobile:

sorry Im not so fearless about sxcrewing up the wifes TV – LOL

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iamlindoro:

Should just choose the .23 branch

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, it's actually two seperate questions I believe

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iamlindoro:

they ask about the branch, and then about a testing branch

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spydmobile:

ok, it asked me if I should use the testing PPA

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iamlindoro:

rather, a myth branch, and whether you want the testing repos

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iamlindoro:

which is like corollary stuff

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iamlindoro:

spydmobile, I believe the answer is no for now-- if that's wrong, it can always be reconfigured later

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spydmobile:

ok working...

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iamlindoro:

all you really care about is getting on the .23 packages

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wagnerrp:

i should really install mythbuntu once or twice just so i have some idea what im talking about in relation to support...

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iamlindoro:

I've only installed it once (well, one site a number of times) for consulting

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iamlindoro:

But I do think they do a pretty good job with it

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wagnerrp:

certainly, they just use different terminology than im used to

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I'm not 100% on the above answer either, but I think that should be right

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spydmobile:

Well, the main difs I find are the mythbuntu control center and the mythbuntu log grabber, both put a "ubuntu" helpfulness twist on mythtv, otherwise, its mythtv on ubuntu

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spydmobile:

but the upgrade was super easy thanks!

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i would love to put together some program to paste all that log information to the mythtv trac

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wagnerrp:

if i didnt think it was at the same time cause a flood of invalid tickets

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iamlindoro:

spydmobile, np, just remember that you need to be running .23 on *all* your frontends and backends

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wagnerrp:

make it /too/ easy, and people arent going to search for duplicates before posting

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iamlindoro:

heh, not that they do too much as is

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spydmobile:

yup only the bedroom is behind ATM, I will need to boot it and let it crap out and upgrade it...

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iamlindoro:

But if you could automate the logs, and the version strings, and force them to write some moderate number of characters as a description, that would be slick

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wagnerrp:

i would have to learn how to use cookies

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wagnerrp:

isnt there some issue where trac wont take contact information unless it cookied in?

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wagnerrp:

you try to specify it, but you just end up anonymous anyway

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, I think there was something like that, but I don't recall the specifics

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sphery:

wagnerrp: it's fixed after a Trac upgrade

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wagnerrp:

ah

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sphery:

didn't read scrollback, so I"m assuming you mean where the user typed in Reporter and it set anonymous, anyway

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i ended up altering the code search, so it will pull any and all named code boxes from the page, makes that 'file' field superfluous

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wagnerrp:

but i want to keep it around for linking to an external url

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

I didn't get a chance to add many script info ones

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sphery:

got misc status info

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sphery:

I'll plan to do that on all the new moves

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wagnerrp:

might as well wait until i finally get the format ironed down and release it

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sphery:

(probably init scripts, next--and we can delete from the wiki when j-rod makes changes to the packaging/rpm scripts)

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sphery:

makes sense, too

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wagnerrp:

ive still got it saving to ~/bin/ by default, unless the filename includes an absolute page (begins with /)

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sphery:

yeah, makes sense to me

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sphery:

inside ~/.mythtv won't be in anyone's path

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spydmobile:

That was a VERY slick upgrasde experience, I am shocked.

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sphery:

I'd say either ~/bin or .

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sphery:

would be nice if, when a user specifies a dir, it notices and puts the "default" filename on the end of it

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wagnerrp:

it might be good to allow and process '%PREFIX%', but then ill need to figure out a way to find out just what the prefix is

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** sphery wonders why users think that upgrades are tough **

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sphery:

none should be difficult

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sphery:

(from a MythTV perspective, at least)

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sphery:

distro upgrades notwithstanding

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wagnerrp:

yeah, mythtv upgrades should be painless unless you have a corrupt database

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spydmobile:

sphery: you have not been a user in a very long time i think.... :)

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iamlindoro:

spydmobile, The truth is the *only* hard things about Myth upgrades are a) resistance to changes ("Why doesn't it work like it used to?") and DB upgrade issues caused by DB corruption (which Myth itself can't control-- if you don't muck with the schema and let myth do it, you are generally in th clear)

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sphery:

well, there's not much to a MythTV upgrade at all

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iamlindoro:

Now admittedly, most people upgrade the entire distro, and THAT can feel like a truckload of problems when only one or two of them might actually be myth related

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spydmobile:

anything as intricate as a 3 computer tv is easy to break, and it doesnt take much to break it, a bug in mythtv, a bug in mythbuntu, a bug in ubuntu, video driver, tv card.... and the normal use is lost.....

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sphery:

I would venture a guess that the only reason MythTV upgrades are difficult for users is because they do stupid things like partial restores

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sphery:

OK, that's a different story

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sphery:

that's /post-upgrade/ bugs

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sphery:

those do happen

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sphery:

but all upgrades should be painless--unless you've done bad things to your DB (purposefully or accidentally)

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sphery:

after the upgrade, you may have issues :)

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spydmobile:

For example, my system just became unusable with .23 (for my wife) becuase there is some bug that makes the actvive cursur invisible. lol shes freaking...

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iamlindoro:

spydmobile, What theme are you using?

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iamlindoro:

spydmobile, That's a sign that you are trying to use a .22 theme with .23 (and ubuntu shoudl have upgraded all the official ones)

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spydmobile:

it was the mythbuntu theme. whole thing just crashed, brb

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sphery:

does it leave the broken ones in place?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, hopefully not

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spydmobile:

its doing it on all themes no arclite available, so perhaps no themse got updated?

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iamlindoro:

spydmobile, that sounds right

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spydmobile:

hmm, now what, hero to zero in 30 minutes haha

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spydmobile:

giving wife valium....

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iamlindoro:

spydmobile, the #ubuntu-mythtv guys may be able to give you a clue as to what the package names are to get the themes updated

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iamlindoro:

And remember, packager issue, not myth ;)

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sphery:

you can update themes without shutting down the backend

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sphery:

so you won't lose any recordings

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sphery:

assuming the package manager allows

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spydmobile:

alredy there, and clearly, not having the themes is NOT a mythtv issue....thanks

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spydmobile:

hmm, packages were held back during upgrade...

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iamlindoro:

spydmobile, bearing in mind that I don't use mythbuntu at all, you may need a dist-upgrade

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iamlindoro:

apt-get dist-upgrade

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iamlindoro:

which I believe will usually resolve the held back packages

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iamlindoro:

(and it isn't what it sounds, you'll still be on 9.10)

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spydmobile:

thats what it was, not sure why inmtructions at mythbuntu did not say that, good thing they have you to tell me ;-)

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iamlindoro:

heh, I'm pretty sure the held back stuff should only happen in less-than-expected circumstances... but I can't tell you what those are

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spydmobile:

I thought it was a little too quick and easy ;-)

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spydmobile:

it did that on all 3 systems....

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iamlindoro:

I just work here, I'm sure there's some rational reason that I have no idea about since I don't use them :)

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yoyoitscr:

anyone in here from canada with rogers cable?

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

yoyoitscr, I warned you last night, thanks for ignoring it

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Mode for #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!~iamlindor@unaffiliated/iamlindoro : +b *!*itscrimet@*.hsd1.pa.comcast.net

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yoyoitscr has been kicked from #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!~iamlindor@unaffiliated/iamlindoro (yoyoitscr)

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

And thanks for doing it when I was looking, jackass

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iamlindoro:

it'scrimetime indeed

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droid:

hello

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spydmobile:

The ladies are here for movie night and the all three .23 systems are rebooting – lets see if I get lynched ;-)

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iamlindoro:

excellent choice of upgrade window ;)

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Jester-Droid:

Hello

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sphery:

Can't believe someone comes into a publically-logged IRC channel and tries to hit up random people to sell a device for the purpose of infringing copyright. Good job kicking him, iamlindoro .

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droid:

what was he trying to sell? hacked sat box or something?

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sphery:

something like that

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spydmobile:

I wasnt going to ask why he got the boot, but that makes sense...

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sphery:

I had no idea until I reviewed my logs... Then I see exactly what was happening.

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wsuetholz:

Hello, can anybody help me with a problem getting a diskless client booting?

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wagnerrp:

wsuetholz: that would probably be better handled by whatever distro you are using to do so

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wsuetholz:

mythbuntu

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wsuetholz:

9.10

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** sphery wonders when it's disk and when it's disc **

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sphery:

Are CDs/DVDs/BDs always discs? Is anything else?

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spydmobile:

Ok, boys, you rock. I have fully working .23 systems with arclite. All in time for movie night. I thank you, and the ladies of movie night thank you!!!!!!!

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Jester-Droid:

Guys I'm having an issue with my HD (ota) content.. seems like it keeps disappearing. The database has the link but can't find the data... box ran fine for months and just started this. Seems to be longer recordings.. pos runnin into trouble with file size/ fs type??

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iamlindoro:

spydmobile, np

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Jester-Droid:

Spydmobile.. u on a phone too?

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sphery:

spydmobile: you'll live iamlindoro's $7M theme

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Jester-Droid:

I love my droid.. just put new firmware on it and loving the new os..

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spydmobile:

sphery: ok, ill bite, how do I get it ;-)

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sphery:

you have it... Arclight -> http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_ . . . 02/04/02.xml

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sphery:

oh, and I meant "love", not "live"

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spydmobile:

oh – I see, yes, I just switched to arclite. I do love it ;-) thanks again you guys, Im off to enjoy the fruits of you labor (and mine)....

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sphery:

enjoy

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iamlindoro:

ah, he's using arclite

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iamlindoro:

(the one without the pro backgrounds)

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

sphery: that arclight is the one with the flames in the background

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sphery:

yeah...

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sphery:

tendrils of rocket smoke

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wsuetholz:

What's the proper IRC for the mythbuntu distro?

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wagnerrp:

#mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

sphery: it just seems so wrong to think 'hypersonic glider'

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wsuetholz:

hmm, I didn't see that one. I'll try it, thank you

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wagnerrp:

of course weve been flying one for over 25 years

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wsuetholz:

ah, It's actually #ubuntu-mythtv

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wagnerrp:

i thought one just redirected to the other

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wsuetholz:

On a purely mythtv note.. The .22 release streams content now, right? Do you have to have storage groups configured for that to happen? Has there been any thoughts directed towards transcoding on the fly for lower power frontends? I have a couple MediaMVP's that are virtually useless now that most OTA content is 720P now.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has always streamed recordings

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wagnerrp:

at lease for as long as i can recall

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wsuetholz:

Why did I need to have file sharing working before?

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wagnerrp:

you are likely referring to mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

a plugin

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wagnerrp:

'mythtv' proper only records and plays back tv

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wagnerrp:

in 0.22, mythvideo started to allow storage groups for video content

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wagnerrp:

which allows the backend rather than the frontend to manage storage

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wsuetholz:

Ok, what you are saying is that the Live TV, and recording playback has always streamed, right?

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wagnerrp:

and also allows the backend to stream that video content to mythvideo on remote frontends

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wagnerrp:

cleanup needed on aisle wiki

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wsuetholz:

Yes, that was what I was asking about with regards to if storage groups are required for that new feature. So, that was only new for MythVideo.

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wagnerrp:

correct, only new for mythvideo

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** wagnerrp prods iamlindoro or gbee **

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** iamlindoro puts away the mop **

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iamlindoro:

For my money, I'd love to erase any login that gets created and then goes unused for > an hour or two

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wsuetholz:

What would be the proper way to check into what would be involved in having the media streaming be able to transcode on the fly for limited frontends?

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wagnerrp:

wsuetholz: if you are referring to transcoding for those MediaMVPs, dont

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wagnerrp:

they do not support mythtv

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iamlindoro:

you would need to learn the libavcodec and libavformat APIs, Qt4, and Myth's backend server internals. Then you would use the above to build an on-the-fly transcode into the myth protocol.

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iamlindoro:

Needless to say, it is not an entry-level project

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wagnerrp:

the library used for mythtv access on the mediamvp does 'bad things'

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wagnerrp:

it forces a connection to the backend, bypassing the normal version checks

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wagnerrp:

it acts as a protocol fuzzer, intentionally sending bad data to the backend, because the authors couldnt be bothere to keep the library up to date

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: thanks for #7220 :)

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Beirdo:

yawn

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: mythvideo scanner for the pirates among us... http://mythvideo-scanner.googlecode.com/svn/t . . . o-scanner.pl

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I saw that earlier today

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iamlindoro:

Yeah...

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iamlindoro:

sigh

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iamlindoro:

Considered mentioning that it also doesn't insert compliant info, but meh

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wagnerrp:

ah, was actually reading through it to check for database compliance

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iamlindoro:

Will break SG videos, no SG support, no hash support, etc.

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iamlindoro:

let them break each other's videos

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wagnerrp:

well of course it wont work with 0.23

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wagnerrp:

or storage groups

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wagnerrp:

needs to perform a better schema check

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wagnerrp:

only support exactly that of release 0.21 or release 0.22

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iamlindoro:

and that's in addition to stealing IMDB data

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mag0o:

bahaha, scene markers

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wagnerrp:

i dont see why he pulls in ttvdb/tmdb/tvrage grabbers if he doesnt intend to use them

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Beirdo:

oh goodness

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** Beirdo slaps his bot code for not having a good first-run experience **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

need to do this more often from an empty DB to work out the buglets

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iamlindoro:

j-rod, "How do you know?" ;)

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** iamlindoro just made the Avatar BD structure play in Myth ;) **

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wagnerrp:

bad tab completion?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, nah, referring to his users list post

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Beirdo:

OK, that's better, I hope I didn't break something else in the process. That would be a shame

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I really have to turn the DB into an embedded DB to prevent that kind of thing

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Beirdo:

so if my settings table didn't exist, it took a core dump. hehe

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sphery:

mythtv settings?

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sphery:

or the bot stuff?

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Beirdo:

no. beirdobot

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sphery:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

similar concept though

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sphery:

I can't stop looking at that scanner wagnerrp linked

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Some_Person:

It turns out we no longer have cable here — only over-the air. My dad wants to use my HVR-1950 in the living room permanently. Is there a cheap ATSC tuner I could get for my room that would work well?

[04:02:27]

Beirdo:

when I got a mysql error back, in some circumstances, this was not passed on to the caller

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sphery:

I'm actually upset by it...

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sphery:

markers->{scene} = [ "PROPER","SCREENER","KAMERA","INTERNAL", "LiNE","iAPULA","LIMITED","DIMENSION",&q uot;DIAMOND","inf","iNFAMOUS" ];

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Some_Person:

It must be USB for my laptop

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wagnerrp:

sphery: hence the... 'mythvideo scanner for the pirates among us'

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sphery:

I can't believe that a) people are writing grabbers to ignore the stuff in stolen video names and b) that they make a Google code project and put their contact information on it

[04:04:45]

Beirdo:

sphery: why would any of that surprise you? People are stupid

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Some_Person:

Can anyone suggest something? I'm hoping for something good, small, and portable

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wagnerrp:

Some_Person: just use the 1950

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wagnerrp:

theres no reason for another, unless youre expecting to both want to use it at the same time

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Some_Person:

wagnerrp: I'd have to buy another 1950, and they're not cheap

[04:05:55]

wagnerrp:

why?

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Some_Person:

I want one in my bedroom

[04:06:06]

wagnerrp:

just use the one attached to the PC in the living room

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sphery:

1950 for the parents backend?

[04:06:12]

sphery:

do you need another backend?

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wagnerrp:

just use one shared backend for both machines

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Some_Person:

I want to be able to watch a different program than them though

[04:06:34]

** sphery wonders if his parents had a MythTV backend in 1950 **

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wagnerrp:

so buy another tuner, and stuff them both in the backend

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sphery:

ah, so the problem here is that you still use Live TV

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Some_Person:

Yes, I use live tv

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wagnerrp:

PCI/PCIe tuners are far cheaper than USB

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sphery:

there are lots of relatively inexpensive ATSC tuners

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wagnerrp:

i assume the machine in the living room can fit those

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sphery:

Some_Person: remember, also, that you'll have to run the signal to each backend

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sphery:

so, really, it makes more sense to dump a few tuners into a single backend in a single location

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sphery:

then use ethernet to distribute it to your frontend in your bedroom

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Beirdo:

Mmmm, I'm somewhat excited.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

new apartment will do that

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Some_Person:

I don't want them to know about a tuner in my room. I'm not supposed to have a TV in here

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Beirdo:

!trout Some_Person

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** MythLogBot slaps Some_Person with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

you're trying to get us to help you get grounded? :)

[04:09:14]

Some_Person:

Slap my dad, not me

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Some_Person:

I already have the coax running to my bedroom

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sphery:

you're on your own, then

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Beirdo:

remind me to build a faraday cage and solid walls for my kids rooms once I have some

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sphery:

Beirdo: Faraday may be quirky, but he doesn't deserve to be locked up. Besides, once he makes it back to the island, he'll be imprisoned there, forever.

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Beirdo:

heh.

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Some_Person:

I'd also like to have a tuner that's more portable, maybe something that doesn't need external power

[04:11:21]

sphery:

and I'm not sure he'd be a great baby sitter, either

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Beirdo:

what's that new irrsi-like IRC client?

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sphery:

or nanny... or whatever

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sphery:

wait, they can't make irssi better

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Some_Person:

Since I'm not doing analog any more, the encoder thingy you said I needed is no longer a necessity, right?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

irssi it is then (for bot testing in virtualbox)

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sphery:

is it ircII

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sphery:

no, that seems old

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Beirdo:

umm, that's pretty old

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Beirdo:

I used that in 1992 :)

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Beirdo:

or so

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sphery:

heh, I asked Google, "what's the new irssi-like IRC client" and it told me ircii, so don't blame me

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

google needs a fail-whale for that

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

oooh, almost across the street from my new apt... is a bakery

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Beirdo:

like HUGE one

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Beirdo:

and on top of the building, right above my apt... it says "WONDER BREAD"

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Some_Person:

Are Hauppauge's dongle tuners decent?

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sphery:

http://www.linux.com/news/software/applicatio . . . ts-for-linux , but it's all GUI stuff then, "Going Old School IRC: Irssi"

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Beirdo:

as in they redid THAT bakery to make the apts

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sphery:

kids these days... don't know how a real IRC client should work

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sphery:

well, I'm hoping that the remaining bakery makes better (less-mass-production-style) baked goods than Wonder Bread

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Beirdo:

it's similar in style, but makes other than white bread

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Beirdo:

as in whole grain, etc

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sphery:

cool

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Beirdo:

but that's cool

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sphery:

smells good?

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Beirdo:

yeah, I walked to the bank and MAN it smelled good

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Some_Person:

I was thinking about getting one of those cheap dongle tuners, but I'm not sure if they're any good

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Beirdo:

they have a special too. buy a gallon of milk – free loaf of bread

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sphery:

Beirdo: http://www.weechat.org/ ???

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wagnerrp:

why would a bakery sell milk?

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Beirdo:

dunno :)

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sphery:

it's a by-product of using cows to turn the mill stone

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Some_Person:

Or possibly an ExpressCard/54 tuner

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sphery:

If it is WeeChat you're thinking of, Beirdo , I think I'll have to stick with irssi--just because of the name

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Beirdo:

might have been

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Beirdo:

ok, there. I have a testing environment again for the bot :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so, is this a good deal on a video card? http://item.ebay.com/290428376868#ht_629wt_1083

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sphery:

Should work well for MythTV, right? I mean, you get what you pay for and all.

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wagnerrp:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

limited black edition?

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iamlindoro:

I like the fourth picture

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sphery:

the packaging is pretty cool, too

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iamlindoro:

"Hey, what would our card look like if it were an assault rifle?"

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sphery:

oh, yeah, that's the packaging

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sphery:

2nd pic, also

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sphery:

btw, don't bid on it

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sphery:

don't know if ebay would make you actually pay for it

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wagnerrp:

'in other news, a man was shot today as police mistook his video card for an assault rifle'

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

Guess it would be cheaper to win a free Fermi card from newegg... http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Apr-0-20 . . . E0-_-FermiST

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wagnerrp:

what???

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sphery:

well, at least for the first 3 months. After that, the electricity bill may be >$1M

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wagnerrp:

what is the average newegg'er going to do with a Fermi?

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wagnerrp:

oh, not a fermi

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wagnerrp:

you mean the geforce based off the fermi core

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sphery:

hey, I'm just repeating their, "Newegg's NVIDIA FERMI Graphics Card Giveaway" ... "Win an NVIDIA Fermi Graphics Card"

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wagnerrp:

the actual 'fermi' and 'tesla' cards are the output-less HPC cards

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wagnerrp:

that cost like $2000, and have 4GB of memory

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sphery:

compared to the ATI 5970 with 4GB of memory for $1M

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wagnerrp:

looks like its really only a 2GB card

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sphery:

the 5970?]

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wagnerrp:

since its a dual-chip card, they have to duplicate nearly everything

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sphery:

or the fermis

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wagnerrp:

so effectively its only 2GB usable

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wagnerrp:

i often wonder the difference between the nvidia tesla and amd firestream

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wagnerrp:

the amd stuff claims vastly higher performance, but the marker uses the nvidia cards

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wagnerrp:

i wonder how my response to that script will be taken

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psm321_:

any idea why mythtv would prefer a later showing of an episode when no tuners are busy with anything else for the current showing?

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clever:

QWaitCondition: cannot wait on recursive mutexes

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clever:

weee, 100k lines of the same error!

[05:45:41]

clever:

http://privatepaste.com/99b771c101 looks like it was still half working during the error

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clever:

this might be why my frontend froze a few hours ago

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ver:

recursive mutexes..

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ver:

i don't even know how/what that could mean

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ver:

isn't that like saying: recursive .. int?

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wagnerrp:

perhaps they mean re-entrant mutexs?

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** ver still has no idea **

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ver:

pthread_mutex_lock(pthread_mutex_lock(pthrea...?

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wagnerrp:

re-entrant means that one thread can lock that mutex as many times as it wants without blocking

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wagnerrp:

it only blocks when some other thread tries to lock it

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ver:

ah. that doesn't seem like a 'good thing' to exist..

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wagnerrp:

why?

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wagnerrp:

certainly if it didnt exist, you could program around it

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wagnerrp:

but it lets you write cleaner, simplier code without worrying about that form of deadlock

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ver:

well, threading issues are difficult enough to trace as it is. opening that up brings up way more chance of ambiguity.

[06:21:19]

wagnerrp:

and obviously one thread isnt going to suffer a race condition with itself

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ver:

well... it would seem it went awry for clever at least

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clever:

trying to get better details from the logs

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clever:

doesnt help when its a 1.7gig log

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[R]:

i put a video card in my backend but never removed it

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[R]:

hrm

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wagnerrp:

i could stand to downgrade the one i have

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wagnerrp:

have a 6600 in there for a text console

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[R]:

i had it there for when i reinstalled ubuntu... and then i packed it away in the closet and forgot to remove it... but while setting it up i broke it, and wound up needing the console output, but once i fixed it, i still dintd remove it

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wagnerrp:

it used to make sense when it was sitting at my desk, and i wanted the two DVI ports

[07:02:39]

wagnerrp:

why remove it?

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[R]:

cuz i dont need it

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[R]:

and its wasting power

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wagnerrp:

meh... nice to have in there in case something doesnt work right

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wagnerrp:

unless you have a serial console set up

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[R]:

i should set one up

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[R]:

now that i have serial on my laptop

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wagnerrp:

i once made the mistake of hooking up two machines set with serial consoles

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clever:

console=ttyS1,115200 as the cmdline in grub for the kernel

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wagnerrp:

dualing logins flooded the logs on each

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clever:

lol

[07:05:01]

clever:

ive thought of linking them like that before, but without the login prompts

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wagnerrp:

i wasnt even thinking about it

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[R]:

but in all the months i've been using this setup... i've never once had a problem during normal operations that i coudln't fix with ssh

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wagnerrp:

i just plugged in the serial cable, and went to work

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clever:

yeah, i added a -a to umount one day without thinking about it

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clever:

i dont know how, but i screwed it up so badly that /proc wouldnt re-mount

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clever:

wagnerrp: http://privatepaste.com/708e2a1748 i think this is where it started

[07:29:21]

wagnerrp:

looks like the scheduler

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clever:

could have been mythfilldatabase too, hard to tell since they share the log

[07:31:04]

wagnerrp:

it says the run completed

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clever:

yeah, and the error is right when it completed the run

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clever:

line 36

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clever:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ain.cpp#L965

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clever:

seems unlikely that its mythfilldb

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clever:

dont see any reason for it to be getting locks at that point

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araldit:

Anyone know how to use htdigest on mythweb and still allow to stream music without authorization?

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araldit:

bump

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[R]:

one doesn't "bump" on irc after 2 minjutes

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[R]:

thats just annoying

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oobe:

bump

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clever:

wagnerrp: think i should patch mythbackend to timestamp the qt warnings?, ive done it before on other app's

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dustybin:

clever: install slackware 13 with all the main package series, you won't need to install any deps at all for mythtv!

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clever:

dustybin: i like the idea of using gentoo or LFS better :P

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dustybin:

gentoo is fiddly and annoying, i dont like the 'gentoo' way

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clever:

ive got gentoo on 2 of my systems

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clever:

wagnerrp: oh god, i thought i killed it

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clever:

the file is still growing as a .nfs

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clever:

wagnerrp: yep!, its mythfilldatabase

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clever:

http://pastebin.com/s4kn4i5n

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clever:

backtrace

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araldit:

Anyone know how to use htdigest on mythweb and still allow to stream music without authorization?

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araldit:

Anyone know how to use htdigest on mythweb and still allow to stream music without authorization?

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mazda01:

hey guys, what is the easiest way to export my recordings to avi to shrink them down. can I do it from a remote frontend?

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mazda01:

backend doesn't need to keep info about files I export. xbmc is my video/tv show media center frontend.

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mzb:

mazda01: take a look at mytharchive or a custom user job

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mazda01:

mzb, i thought i read that mytharchive is for dvd's

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mzb:

iirc you can export to a file

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mzb:

check the wiki

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mzb:

(or a frontend near you!)

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mzb:

pumpkin hour on this part of the planet. gnite

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TheCrasher:

Hy fellows.. I have a really strange problem with mythtv.. when I start mythfrontend the remote isn't working.. but if I wait for about 100 sec. its working all of a sudden.. also if I set it to use opengl as painter the menu disappears after those 100 seconds

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TheCrasher:

Is that a known problem somehow? Using proprietary nvidia drivers

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psm321_:

TheCrasher: no idea, but you should post your log (probably frontend, but backend would be good too) on a pastebin so people can look

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mazda01:

how can i use a different computer which as no capture cards in it for using mythexport

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iamlindoro:

Ask the mythbuntu guys, we don't write mythexport

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iamlindoro:

#ubuntu-mythtv

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mazda01:

iamlindoro, is there a myth process for exporting recordings out to mkv or avi

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mazda01:

? using a remote frontend?

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iamlindoro:

any process for exporting recordings will always need direct access to the recordings

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mazda01:

iamlindoro, well the recordings are shared via NFS. can i setup a secondary backend with no capture cards for exporting? my master backend couldn't handle encoding.

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mazda01:

but I do also use SG

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Greek-Boy:

hi all

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Greek-Boy:

:-)

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nordle:

Hi guys, I'm hoping for some advice on skining a cat. Myth box has 1* 200GB drive. I have a _spare_ newer 300GB drive. I'm thinking of using rsync to copy (init 3, database and myth shutdown) filesystem over...... But maybe I can just add it as extra usb drive (have enclosure). The copy and replace is good, one drive, less heat, all in box, newer drive etc BUT, its hassle and the case is a real pig (tiny+loads of cabling). Would it be easy to a

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nordle:

dd as extra drive via external usb caddy and for myth to make use of it???

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wagnerrp:

for mythtv to use a second drive for recording, you simply add it to the storage group and mythtv will load balance between all directories listed there in

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Greek-Boy:

what about when you have multiple tuners connected to the same sattelite? Do I have to re-scan for each one? Or do I just use the same channel source for all?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Heh, someone should tell that guy he's not using autobuilds, since that fix was four months ago

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wagnerrp:

if the cards will receive the same channels, just use a single shared source

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nordle:

wagnerrp: I'm using myth 0.21-fixes (as at Sep last year I think). http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:MythTV_structure It will load balance by itself....sweet! If my main box is 84% full, how/when will it look to the other. I've read that page but it does not say except "unless a filesystem is too low".

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nordle:

dog

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nordle:

dog=doh

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nordle:

found it

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: Thanks. I'm also reading on how to make use of multiplex with the MultiRec feature

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wagnerrp:

nordle: 0.22-fixes was branched some time around september of last year (and released about a month later)

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wagnerrp:

0.21-fixes is a year and a half older than that

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nordle:

wagnerrp: I couldnt face doing an O/S upgrade :) Have Slackware 11.2 and QT3.

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nordle:

wagnerrp: Its not so much the OS upgrade, its the mysql, lircc, xmltv etc etc

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wagnerrp:

nordle: the balancer in 0.21 will prefer the empty disk, but will use the nearly full disk if it is recording multiple shows simultaneously

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wagnerrp:

this 200GB drive you have currently acts as the boot/system drive as well?

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nordle:

wagnerrp: It should be ok, I'm getting hdparm write of 35MB/sec and rsync of 25MB/sec, enough for mpeg2...... Yeah the 200GB drive is 20G / 50M /boot 162G /mythtv_recordings

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wagnerrp:

ok, so you did partition it up.. just checking

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: With multiplexing I have to use virtual adapters right? Where do I set Max Tuners default=2 ?

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wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: you do that when you create (or edit) the tuner cards, its the second page you go to

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wagnerrp:

default is 2

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Greek-Boy:

so if its 2 it means I can already do multirec then

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wagnerrp:

correct

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Greek-Boy:

what if I had 4 tuners and set that number to 5 for each?

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Greek-Boy:

does each frontend need to select each of those 4 tuners to view/record different channels? Or does MythTV do all that automatically?

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Greek-Boy:

for example tuner 1 is for front-end 1

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Greek-Boy:

tuner 2 is for front-end 2

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Greek-Boy:

the other 2 tuners are for recording only?

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wagnerrp:

then you would have 20 tuners, and mythtv's scheduler would try its best to use them properly

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Greek-Boy:

sorry, i'm looking at it wrong since that would defeat the purpose of a multiplex

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wagnerrp:

along with all the difficulties that come along with use of livetv and multirec

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wagnerrp:

livetv becomes very complicated when using multirec and recording at the same time

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wagnerrp:

while any virtual tuners are in use, that physical tuner becomes locked to that multiplex

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nordle:

wagnerrp: Should say, those crappy write speeds are from the USB caddy......not too bad really. So I could just add 1 300GB XFS or EXT4 partition on the USB caddy, run mythtv-setup and job done. The only thing is noise and elec....only another 10watts but still. The newer drive is damn near silent (older=WDC WD2000JB-00EVA0 14000 power_on_hours start_stop_count 2000.......newer=Seagate ST330083 7200.8 1200 power_on_hours start_stop_count

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nordle:

250)

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wagnerrp:

so if you are using livetv on the same physical tuner as a recording, you will not be able to leave that multiplex without changing tuners

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: That's ok, another tuner can be used to lock to another multiplex/transponer

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Greek-Boy:

*transponder

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Greek-Boy:

the question is, does the user have to manually select that other tuner?

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wagnerrp:

i dont really know the behavior, i dont use livetv

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Greek-Boy:

ok

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wagnerrp:

less than two years old... fairly new for a 300GB

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wagnerrp:

should have bought a 640 or 750 GB

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wagnerrp:

i think that was the best price/gb point around then

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nordle:

wagnerrp: It was on offer and cheap at the time. Used purely as a backup box (have other external backups too). But now got a bigger backup drive, so thought I might have a go at re-using it.

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, i guess it was turned off a lot

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wagnerrp:

thats only counting the time it was actually running

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nordle:

wagnerrp: yeah, only on around 8 times a month. My only other concern is the number of units that appeared to burn their PCB's. Guess we'll find out :)

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wagnerrp:

anyway, if you dont want to use an external caddy, 1TB drives are readily available for ~$70

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wagnerrp:

below that, and you start hitting diminishing returns

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wagnerrp:

much less space, for not much less cost

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nordle:

wagnerrp: sure, just bought 2 WD15EARS.....spent all day getting my head round this whole 4096 sector alignment thing.

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dfletcher:

should the internal player be able to play an iso image of a DVD?

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wagnerrp:

yes, if it is accessible locally only

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wagnerrp:

it cannot use it with storage groups (at the moment)

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dfletcher:

oh

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dfletcher:

so I could mount the disk on NFS and then tell the frontend that's where vids live?

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** dfletcher tries that **

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TheCrasher:

Found the problem.. mythtv is tyring to mount a non working device on startup.. how can I prevent that?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv shouldnt be trying to mount anything

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TheCrasher:

Yea thats what I thought too

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TheCrasher:

but it does :-\

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TheCrasher:

the output in mythfrontend is: mount: can't find /dev/sdb in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab

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TheCrasher:

2010-04–23 18:07:24.071 Failed to mount /dev/sdb.

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TheCrasher:

right after that everything works fine

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TheCrasher:

before that the remote does not work

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TheCrasher:

If I put it in fstab with noauto option would it stop?

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wagnerrp:

do you possibly have that set as your dvd drive in mythvideo?

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TheCrasher:

yeee works ;)

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TheCrasher:

nope

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TheCrasher:

Its not set anywhere in the configs.. I'm sure of that

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TheCrasher:

because I just put that Cardreader in :)

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TheCrasher:

But its broken and hence the problems

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TheCrasher:

now it says: mount: only root can mount /dev/sdb on /mnt/cards and gives up

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TheCrasher:

good enough for me ;) Not a clean solution but a solution

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sphery:

TheCrasher: pretty sure the right way to fix that is to /tell/ MythTV not to monitor that device

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TheCrasher:

sphery: Yea would be.. but since my parents want their new TV standing ready when they're coming back from holidays this way is good for now ;)

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symptom:

does anyone have any good links on hauppauge vs pchdtv? specifically looking at the hauppauge 1600 and the pchdtv 5500.

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wagnerrp:

the 1600 can be used for analog, the 5500 cannot

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wagnerrp:

but i cant speak on the quality of the digital tuners for either

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wagnerrp:

if youre using digital cable, it wont make a difference

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wagnerrp:

but if youre using distant transmission towers, it might

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symptom:

according to antennaweb.org i am in the yellow uhf range for all available stations broadcast in digital

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symptom:

which apparently is the closest

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wagnerrp:

urban environment? (where you have lots of multipath)

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symptom:

somewhat.

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symptom:

few high rises

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symptom:

over 4 stories that is, and I am top floor of my 3 story apartment building

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symptom:

patio faces towards the broadcast location

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symptom:

and while we are on the subject, does anyone have any recommendations on where to buy an antenna?

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mag0o:

symptom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWQhlmJTMzw works for me and I'm about 20 miles out from the stations

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wagnerrp:

ive got one of those sitting in a closet, but it didnt do much better than some bunny ears... bet it was a crappy balun

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wagnerrp:

id you know the guys at radio shack dont even know what that is? much less sell them anymore?

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symptom:

mag0o, I was looking at buying an outdoor one and mounting it on my apartment patio

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symptom:

20" x 10"

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wagnerrp:

symptom: probably the same thing as that video describes how to build

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mag0o:

the one i built is up in the attic, at its highest point, working like a champ

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symptom:

mag0o, any multipath interferance (high buildings) in your area?

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symptom:

and if you dont mind me asking, what is the metropolitan area that you are getting your signal from?

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mag0o:

i'm in the woods

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mag0o:

in columbus, ga

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mag0o:

well, actually outside of columbus, but picking up stations from there

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mag0o:

and according to antennaweb, the farthest station i'm picking up is 23.7 mi away

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mag0o:

and i'm actually getting I shouldn't be

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mag0o:

distance-wise

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mag0o:

well, scratch that, it's the same distance, but their app doesn't list it till i move my marker location

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symptom:

ok. I am 30 miles from the broadcast location where i am. On the way to the hardware store now.

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Led-Hed:

my cable company moved my CBS HD channel from 94–1 to 116–5. In the channel editor how do I specify sub channels? putting 116–5 as the freq doesnt work.

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Led-Hed:

nor does putting freq 116 + 5 for finetune.

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symptom:

mag0o, do you get any vhf channels? 7–13? I suppose i could reverse engineer the measurements and build another antenna....

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mag0o:

i do get a vhf chan

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mag0o:

13 i think it is

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mag0o:

fuzzy, but there

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Led-Hed:

is there a way to export my current channel info?

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean?

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, I have done a channel scan with my HDHR

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Led-Hed:

I made many changes to the names and xmltv info for each channel

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Led-Hed:

I would like to back that information up

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wagnerrp:

the normal database backup is insufficient?

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, yes

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Led-Hed:

for my current needs

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Led-Hed:

though I suppose I could dump just the channel editor info from MySQL

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wagnerrp:

if mythtv cannot match the channel on its own when you rescan, there will be no simple way for your to match it up externally

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Led-Hed:

ugh

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wagnerrp:

so having that data wont really do you any good

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Led-Hed:

even if I had the info I could manually enter it back in. Would still be faster than the first time I did it. having to watch each channel for a logo and then look up the xmltvid

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wagnerrp:

all it will save you from doing is looking up that xmltvid

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wagnerrp:

youll still have to watch each channel manually to figure out what it is

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Led-Hed:

there isnt a good listing source for my Cable Companies HD channels

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wagnerrp:

schedules direct isnt good?

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Led-Hed:

it has the channels numbered like the cable co uses with its Cable Box, not what I get when I scan with HDHR

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wagnerrp:

correct, as the cableco does not provide their physical lineup

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Led-Hed:

for example, Discovery HD = 846, HDHR finds it at 105–3

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wagnerrp:

only those channels as their cable boxes would see them

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Led-Hed:

correct

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wagnerrp:

why would they want to provide the lineup in a format other than their cable boxes would see them?

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Led-Hed:

I'm not saying they should

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wagnerrp:

they dont want you using anything other than their cable box to access them

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Led-Hed:

I'm just saying that its a PITA to have to do it manually everytime they move a channel

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wagnerrp:

im saying if mythtv finds a matching channame in the scan, it will shift the channel automatically

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Led-Hed:

how will it know its a matching channel

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wagnerrp:

if your cableco does not provide that data in their program tables, you will have no choice but to watch the channel and figure out what it is

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Led-Hed:

And thats what I've done.

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wagnerrp:

when you run the HDHR command line scanner, do any channels show up named?

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Led-Hed:

or did rather (about 6 months ago)

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wagnerrp:

or are they all unnamed?

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Led-Hed:

unnamed

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wagnerrp:

then there is absolutely nothing you can do besides watch the channel and figure out what it is

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wagnerrp:

there is no data available to otherwise identify it if they shift their lineup

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wagnerrp:

so being able to dump your current lineup will do you no good

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Led-Hed:

I only need to move 1 channel, but manually adding it in the channel editor doesnt seem to work

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wagnerrp:

correct, you need to scan digital channels to get them added

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Led-Hed:

will re-scanning destroy my current list?

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arodd:

so let's say I am reinstalling my distro from (ubuntu 9.10 x86->ubuntu 10.04 RC x64) and so I'm also upgrading to the latest myth software, after restoring the database all of my capture cards and storage groups don't seem to appear in mythtvsetup?

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wagnerrp:

no, it will only add new channels and remove old

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wagnerrp:

if there was a previous channel listed at that physical and virtual channel, it will do nothing

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wagnerrp:

arodd: did you change hostnames?

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Led-Hed:

ok. I'll try that. I just didnt want to loose all my hard work for a single channel (hence the need for a backup)

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arodd:

i was poking through the mythtvbackend log and it appears it went through the schema update process successfully and then mentions needing to configure the first page in mythtv-setup, but it appears there is no config

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arodd:

i don't think so...unless there is a difference between hostname.local/hostname and just hostname

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wagnerrp:

arodd: if you need to update the first page in mythtv-setup, that means there are no IPs set for the master and backend IP

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wagnerrp:

which means you did not restore your database properly

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arodd:

ie: the old pc probably had arodd-desktop.local and arodd-desktop in the hosts file and the new one just appears to have arodd-desktop

[19:01:47]

arodd:

those ip's are inside the db correct?

[19:02:26]

arodd:

does it matter if I was using the IP before to connect and now it's pointing to localhost?

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wagnerrp:

localhost doesnt work

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wagnerrp:

it needs to be an IP

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wagnerrp:

thats why it specifically asks for an 'IP address'

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arodd:

not the master backend/etc.

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arodd:

just inside the config.xml and mysql.txt

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wagnerrp:

no, the mysql access can be a hostname

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arodd:

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wagnerrp:

you are correct

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arodd:

does it matter if that was the ip on the old box but is localhost on the new box?

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wagnerrp:

for the database? no

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arodd:

where is a hostname change important then? what table can I look at for an example of what it's trying to use

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arodd:

because I don't think it changed but looking at a table would probably help confirm if it's actually for some reason using arodd-desktop.local

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wagnerrp:

changes in your hosts file would not affect anything

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arodd:

just the /etc/hostname file?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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arodd:

in ubuntu's case

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arodd:

yeah they are the same so it should not be that

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arodd:

ill play with the restore more a bit

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bjd:

you know in mythvideo, is there a way of easily seeing what you have/havent' watched?

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gizmobay:

I'm trying to change the language through the frontend. Nothing happens

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gizmobay:

Do I need to do this through mythtv-setup?

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Greek-Boy:

tehre is still no command in MythTV to toggle subtitles?

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Greek-Boy:

:-(

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Greek-Boy:

*there

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gizmobay:

Greek Boy, T

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Greek-Boy:

ok

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Greek-Boy:

sorry

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Greek-Boy:

it wasn't in the commands list

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Greek-Boy:

:P

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Greek-Boy:

T toggles it off and on

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Greek-Boy:

how about to select the language?

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gizmobay:

Isn't that a function of what's broadcasted?

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gizmobay:

What language do you want it in? Let me guess ellinika?

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Greek-Boy:

well when pushing T it just turns english on or off

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Greek-Boy:

i was wondering if there is another command to select the language

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Greek-Boy:

or will T toggle between all of them?

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gizmobay:

I'm not sure

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Greek-Boy:

ok

[19:53:30]

Greek-Boy:

you know one problem with MythTV LiveTV is that its not really live

[19:53:30]

Greek-Boy:

4–5 seconds delay

[19:53:38]

Greek-Boy:

is that because of the recording buffer?

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bjd:

ye

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Greek-Boy:

i suppose nothing can be done about that...

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bjd:

is it necessarily a problem?

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Greek-Boy:

mostly not..

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nordle:

I luv Linux. Copied data (distro / + mythtv mysql db + recordings) using cp onto a hard disk of different size, manufacturer and format. Tweaked fstab. Swapped drives and everything works, but have another 120G. I am also a little relieved, can calm down now. :)

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sphery:

nordle: in the future, might want to use cpio or something--it will maintain hard links (whereas cp will just make 2 copies of the files). Not a big deal--only wastes a couple MB total on a typical GNU/Linux distro--but it can make for some strange behaviors when you update a package and only one of the copies is updated.

[20:41:30]

wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: that recording buffer is a behavior you will see in every DVR available, commercial or software

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wagnerrp:

since it has to be encoded, stored, and then decoded

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: Got you...

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wagnerrp:

in addition to any hardware buffers that may be in plac

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wagnerrp:

e

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Greek-Boy:

I thought the commercial ones with multiple tuners use the primary tuner for live-tv

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wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: even if they have a tuner dedicated to livetv, there is still going to be a buffer if it is performing as a DVR

[20:43:08]

wagnerrp:

in addition to various hardware buffers in the encoder/decodes

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: My provider gives weekly schedule over EIT. Do you know how I can get this into my listings?

[20:43:11]

nordle:

sphery: I think I did cp -aruv (and for /dev only cp -dpR) so should have avoided that problem.....filesystem size is the same.

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wagnerrp:

cat say ive ever used EIT, since EIT is next to worthless over here

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Greek-Boy:

i c

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wagnerrp:

bjd: yes, there is now a 'watched' flag in mythvideo, and you can filter by it

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Greek-Boy:

where does MythTV keep its channel/transponder information? So I can try figure out which channels are on the same multiplex

[20:46:35]

Greek-Boy:

do I have to look into the database itself?

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wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: when you scanned, you should have gotten a bunch of 2-number channels

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wagnerrp:

like 14–8

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wagnerrp:

14 is the physical channel, the multiplex

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Greek-Boy:

got it

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Greek-Boy:

I'm currently recording 5 channels on the same transponder

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Greek-Boy:

MythTV is the ultimate PVR

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Greek-Boy:

:-)

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Greek-Boy:

whats the maximum virtual adapters you can have off one tuner?

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wagnerrp:

5

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Greek-Boy:

but my provider broadcasts more than 5 per mux

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johnnyj:

ERROR: Failed while running tcrequant – during attempt to use mytharchive

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Greek-Boy:

i guess they downscaled some feeds

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wagnerrp:

5 is a statically defined max, set to a reasonable limit based off the limitations of some tuner hardware

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wagnerrp:

its arbitrary in that myth could handle whatever you threw at it

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wagnerrp:

but the program filters on various cards do not behave properly when trying to pull too many feeds

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bjd:

wagnerrp: by 'now', would you mean 0.23?

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wagnerrp:

bjd: could mean 0.23, but i thought that was in 0.22 as well

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bjd:

i'll check

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: my Hauppuage Nova S2's are doing well for now

[21:03:23]

Greek-Boy:

I hear they're bringing out new dual-s2 models

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Greek-Boy:

thats what I need

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dustybin:

Greek-Boy: are you from UK?

[21:06:23]

Greek-Boy:

dustybin: no

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Greek-Boy:

but I have some family there

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: When I record two programs on the same multiplex and try to change channel it tells me that it cant

[21:07:33]

wagnerrp:

correct, if any virtual tuners are in use, that card is locked to that channel

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Greek-Boy:

yes thats correct, but now i was recording one channel of a multiplex and tried to change to a channel on another multiplex and it stopped recording...

[21:08:04]

Greek-Boy:

frontend went to another tuner on another sattelite

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Greek-Boy:

odd huh

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Greek-Boy:

it didn't warn me like it should

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johnnyj:

so tcrequant is no longer available and I need another way to resize or shorten my source recording

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johnnyj:

mythfrontend[28632]: segfault at 1 ip 03d87a69 sp bf9dc240 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.5.2[3d3e000+22b000]

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johnnyj:

i seem to be having a bit of trouble today

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sphery:

johnnyj: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8376

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johnnyj:

thanks – I'

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johnnyj:

I'll try that out

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Greek-Boy:

my frontend always starts on a tuner that i dont want

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Greek-Boy:

how can i set a preferred tuner?

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johnnyj:

i keep segfaulting during playback

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johnnyj:

segfault at 1 ip 02d7ea69 sp bf7d63b0 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.5.2[2d35000+22b000]

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johnnyj:

this is on my MBE unit that I rarely ever run the FE on

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sphery:

johnnyj: backtrace with symbols?

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johnnyj:

im reading that wiki now

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

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sphery:

ah, ok

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sphery:

packages or self-compiled?

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johnnyj:

self compiled

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sphery:

use a --compile-type=profile

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sphery:

should be good enough

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sphery:

much better performance that way

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johnnyj:

# sudo apt-get install mythtv-dbg mythplugins-dbg fails – saying no such package mythtv-dbg

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sphery:

you'll have to compile with symbols if you're compiling yourself

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Greek-Boy:

when you try to watch a channel that is not on the same multiplex MythTV should warn you in the same it does when its run out of tuners/encoders. But it doesn't. Front-end either crashes or goes back to the channel you were on the same multplex. The latter is acceptable but wouldn't it be better if it warned?

[21:50:43]

sphery:

probably won't install the debug package without the mythtv package

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PeaceKeeper:

Can anyone suggest the best playback profile for Zotac Ion 230?

[21:51:30]

johnnyj:

oh ok...

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sphery:

Greek-Boy: for a segfault, we'll need a backtrace as at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

[21:52:04]

Greek-Boy:

sphery: Right, thanks...

[21:53:21]

Greek-Boy:

sphery: What is the behaviour suppose to be when you try tuning to a channel in another mux? If there are more tuners it goes for it right? If there are not what is supposed to happen?

[21:54:12]

sphery:

basically, no

[21:54:19]

sphery:

long discussion on list just recently

[21:54:25]

sphery:

but if you configure it right, it should

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Greek-Boy:

ok

[21:55:11]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/432710#432710

[21:56:40]

Greek-Boy:

sphery: thanks for the link

[21:56:46]

johnnyj:

you know that thread is a mile long, and has even split into 2

[21:57:09]

johnnyj:

sphery just wants that thread to never die

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sphery:

and has a ton of people saying, "it doesn't work," but never actually trying to configure it properly

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Greek-Boy:

hmmm

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Greek-Boy:

so far i'm read wagnerrp's 3 solutions

[22:01:00]

johnnyj:

yeah – get you a bag of popcorn and a snickers bar and read that thread

[22:01:11]

Greek-Boy:

hahaha

[22:01:18]

johnnyj:

here's a tip: just grep for Dean

[22:02:40]

johnnyj:

hey this profile build – will i be able to leave it installed like that, or will i want to revert?

[22:03:00]

johnnyj:

is this like some super slow debug-esque build?

[22:04:03]

clever:

johnnyj: profile has all the optimizations of a normal build, but also has the debug symbols

[22:04:10]

clever:

so it will be fast, but a bit larger binarys

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Greek-Boy:

whew

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Greek-Boy:

what a discussion

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Greek-Boy:

i'm still reading it...

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Greek-Boy:

johnnyj: Now I know why you suggested I get myself a bag of popcorn

[22:30:13]

Greek-Boy:

I must say, I don't like the idea of removing LiveTV from MythTV...

[22:30:13]

Greek-Boy:

That means I would have to rely on STB's again

[22:30:13]

Greek-Boy:

MythTV should be the "Mythical" solution and still be able to function as a STB...

[22:30:13]

Greek-Boy:

:-)

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clever:

i dont use livetv much myself

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clever:

i generaly have too many timeouts for it to even start and its better to record the program in full

[22:36:06]

clever:

i can set a rule and ignore it for 2 months, then marathon the show in one sitting

[22:36:23]

clever:

no more week long drama waiting for the outcome of a cliffhanger

[22:37:02]

johnnyj:

sphery: nice, now you let the thread in here

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Greek-Boy:

the thing is

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Greek-Boy:

MythTV won't be MythTV without LiveTV

[22:39:19]

Greek-Boy:

anyway

[22:39:21]

Greek-Boy:

i'm still reading the thread...

[22:39:55]

Greek-Boy:

But I think I want to try my own solution which i haven't read on the thread yet (with regard to multirec)

[22:40:49]

Greek-Boy:

I will have a tuner for each front-end. So two tuners for Live-TV. I'll set the recording priority a high-number for these, so they are hardly used for recording.

[22:41:17]

Greek-Boy:

then my other four tuners can be used to record off multiplexes

[22:41:23]

Greek-Boy:

sounds good?

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[R]:

these are differnet types of tuners?

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johnnyj:

sphery: i've got a profile build installed

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Greek-Boy:

all the same type...

[22:42:30]

johnnyj:

so do i run : gdb mythfrontend -x gdbcommands

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[R]:

Greek-Boy: if its all the same, then myth will schedule their use appropriately

[22:42:53]

[R]:

Greek-Boy: there are ways to force livetv to override recordings and such

[22:43:49]

Greek-Boy:

[R]: The goal is not to override recordings but to be able to watch any channel and record multiple channels off different multiplexes

[22:44:06]

[R]:

i know of no way to "reserve" a tuner

[22:44:13]

cesman:

Greek-Boy: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/TicketHowTo

[22:44:36]

** cesman see wagnerrp beat him to it... **

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johnnyj:

ok – so my problem is during mythfrontend playback

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Greek-Boy:

[R]: No need to resevere, just ensure user1 at front-end1 always uses Tuner1 and user2 at front-end2 users Tuner2. For live-tv

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Greek-Boy:

all other tuners for recording

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Greek-Boy:

by using the priorities

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[R]:

unless you leave livetv running constnatly

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[R]:

thats not possible

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Greek-Boy:

this will avoid the problem of not being able to switch to a channel on a different mux

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Greek-Boy:

it is, through priorities...

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Greek-Boy:

isn't it?

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[R]:

but if all the tuners are in use

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[R]:

and one of your "livetv tuners" is free

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[R]:

myth WILL use it

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Greek-Boy:

yes

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Greek-Boy:

thats why you make sure have enough tuners

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[R]:

whats "enough"

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Greek-Boy:

by the way, is there a way to tell the front-end which tuner to use by default?

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Greek-Boy:

for live-tv

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[R]:

nope

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[R]:

myth picks it

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johnnyj:

ugh I've got to start dinner – more on this later

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[R]:

although i dunno how i managed to do it... but my recordings pick tuner 2 first, while livetv picks tuner 1 first

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Greek-Boy:

your priorities?

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sphery:

Greek-Boy: the only people who said anything about removing Live TV were the people who said not to remove Live TV

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sphery:

no one is saying to remove it

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sphery:

however, some of us were saying that those who use it are doing things the hard way

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Greek-Boy:

sphery: I get you...

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sphery:

no one ever says anything about removing Live TV except the people who said, "Don't remove Live TV."

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Greek-Boy:

sphery: I am doing lots of reading.

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sphery:

and then they make other people think someone is actually considering removing Live TV

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Greek-Boy:

Can you save me some time by telling me what the actual solution is for multirec and multiplexing?

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Greek-Boy:

:-)

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Greek-Boy:

did you read what I proposed to do

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Greek-Boy:

i want to try and group my tuners

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Greek-Boy:

by setting a lower priority on the tuners that will be used for live-tv

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Greek-Boy:

and then multirec should work good on the other tuners. one tuner for each multiplex

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Greek-Boy:

what do you think of that?

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Dibblah:

sphery: The other option is to completely reserve a tuner, like some other PVRs do.

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Greek-Boy:

Dibblah: I need a solution for now

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Dibblah:

Bit of a waste and requires code / a setting, but... It would get round all of these UI issues.

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Greek-Boy:

UI?

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Dibblah:

Greek-Boy: See the answers sphery (Michael T Dean) has given on the ML.

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Dibblah:

User interface.

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Greek-Boy:

ok

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Greek-Boy:

he's given a lot of answers

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Dibblah:

"http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/369358#369358 read the /entire/ post, but use the approach at the end (which requires information from earlier in the post to figure out how to do it)."

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Dibblah:

Oh, right.

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Greek-Boy:

ok

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Greek-Boy:

trying to read it

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Greek-Boy:

my eyes are getting sore

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Greek-Boy:

i'm on page 5

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Greek-Boy:

:-(

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iamlindoro:

That's life in the big city, if you want an answer, you'll need some understanding first

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iamlindoro:

If all you have to do is do some reading, there's nothing to frown about

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Greek-Boy:

:-)

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Greek-Boy:

what a heavy discussion

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Greek-Boy:

sphery: Ok. I just realized how your solution will work

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sphery:

Greek-Boy: also see "Browse all channels"

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wagnerrp:

cesman: eh?

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symptom:

mag0o, coat hanger db4 works like a charm

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Greek-Boy:

sphery: That thread was information overload for me

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Greek-Boy:

and usually I dont mind lots of info

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symptom:

I might beef it up with a better balun, a reflector, and use copper wire instead of the coat hangers.

[23:09:36]

Greek-Boy:

but that thread gave me a headache...

[23:09:37]

wagnerrp:

that thread was misinformation overload for everyone involved

[23:09:46]

sphery:

wagnerrp: ++

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: Indeed...

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wagnerrp:

too many people seeing these 'windows 7, i made this' ads, and thinking they have any idea what theyre talking about

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Greek-Boy:

sphery: Just to be sure. The ultimate solution is "Avoid conflicts between LiveTV and recordings" coupled with "Browse all channels"

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Greek-Boy:

so live-tv always starts with the tuners at the end, working itself backward?

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wagnerrp:

the 'ultimate solution' is to not play in the first place

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wagnerrp:

skip livetv and all is well

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Greek-Boy:

in this case if you have enough tuners for 100% coverage, it should work right?

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sphery:

right, wagnerrp's solution is best

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sphery:

NEXTCARD is 2nd best

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sphery:

EPG (instead of browse channels) is 3rd best

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: I can understand your viewpoint but I hope you can understand mine too. For me MythTV is not just a PVR...

[23:12:19]

wagnerrp:

no, because the tuners will still be locked to their individual multiplexes, and changing channel will only work within one multiplex

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symptom:

so pcHDTV or Hauppauge?

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sphery:

The long X+1 virtual tuners (where X>1) is 4th best

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wagnerrp:

symptom: do you need analog?

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wagnerrp:

since youre doing broadcast, it doesnt seem so

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sphery:

and Browse all channels may/may not work properly (as it has some serious constraints on it), but probably won't hurt any of the solutions

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: If you have enough tuners for 100% coverage plus an additional 1 per live-tv?

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symptom:

wagnerrp, all digita

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symptom:

l

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wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: in theory, if you set mythtv to start livetv from the bottom of the list

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wagnerrp:

symptom: in that case, both the pchdtv and hvr1600 are overpriced IMHO

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: That's what "Avoid conflicts between LiveTV and recordings"

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symptom:

ok, what is your recommendation wagnerrp

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symptom:

Im getting channels all the way from 1080i to 480i and inbetween. Can 480i be digital TV? Just standard def right?

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wagnerrp:

personally, ive never used any PCI digital tuners

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symptom:

wagnerrp, what do you use

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wagnerrp:

but the pchdtv is $100, and the hvr1600 is $90

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wagnerrp:

you can get digital tuners for around half that

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Greek-Boy:

To you guys in USA, MythTV is ok just as PVR

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wagnerrp:

ive got an hvr1250 and an HDHR

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Greek-Boy:

but in the rest of the world, we need it as STB too

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Greek-Boy:

and media management sysetm

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Greek-Boy:

*system

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wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: what do you think were using it for?

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Greek-Boy:

over-all, it is a "Mythical" solution

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Greek-Boy:

Mythical in the sense that its too good to be true that it can do everything

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Greek-Boy:

:-)

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Greek-Boy:

you guys just connect it to your STB's

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Greek-Boy:

and you're happy...

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wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: and have it record, and then we watch it some time later

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symptom:

I am in the US

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wagnerrp:

how is that any different from what youre doing?

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symptom:

STB?

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symptom:

!STB

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wagnerrp:

set-top-box

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symptom:

ah

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Greek-Boy:

you have schedules direct, life is so easy for u gys

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wagnerrp:

its your personal choice that you want to watch things right now

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Greek-Boy:

I am struggling to get EIT to get the full schedule over-the air :-(

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wagnerrp:

there is nothing forcing you to do so

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Greek-Boy:

I just want MythTV to become a all-in-one solution

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Greek-Boy:

as the founder of it and original developer intended

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symptom:

wagnerrp, the HVR 1250 is software encoded right? I have a athalon dual core 3000

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wagnerrp:

symptom: no, its a digital tuner

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symptom:

I was looking for something that did hardware encoding

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wagnerrp:

you said you had no need for analog

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symptom:

wagnerrp, oh....

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symptom:

so I guess i am missing a fundamental piece of knowledge

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wagnerrp:

digital tuners simply copy the pre-encoded mpeg stream that gets broadcast to them

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wagnerrp:

ATSC specifically will be an mpeg stream up to 19mbps

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symptom:

I am using an antenna to get broadcast digital TV.

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wagnerrp:

there is no processing, its simply a stream copy to disk

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symptom:

then I only need digital?

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wagnerrp:

if you are using an antenna in the US, you only need digital

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symptom:

Ok so I do not need to worry about getting a card with hardware encoding, and thus my CPU can be a little slower?

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wagnerrp:

3000... mhz?

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symptom:

yes

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wagnerrp:

you will have no trouble decoding ATSC then

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symptom:

32 bit single core HT

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wagnerrp:

erm... huh?

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wagnerrp:

32-bit athalon dual core single core 3000 with hyperthreading....

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wagnerrp:

something there doesnt compute

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symptom:

single core

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symptom:

HT

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: Can 0.22 currently decode Mpeg4 or H264 HD streams through S2?

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[R]:

amd doesnt have hyperthreading

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symptom:

sorry... i said dual core earlier

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wagnerrp:

AMD never made a processor with hyperthreading

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Greek-Boy:

*DVB-S2

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wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: mythtv can record DVB-S2 just fine

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wagnerrp:

playback is completely independent of recording

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Greek-Boy:

yeah. What I mean can it work in Live-TV?

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symptom:

yup i stand corrected... i havent used that machine in a while...

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wagnerrp:

if you have the power to decode h264

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cesman:

wagnerrp: nevermind

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Greek-Boy:

good...

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Greek-Boy:

there are some FTA HD channels coming up

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Greek-Boy:

:-)

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symptom:

Ill have to take another look. What is the recommended processing power? I also hear that nvidia works best for output?

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wagnerrp:

symptom: for ATSC? a higher end P4 or athlon minimum

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wagnerrp:

anything core2, athlon64, or better should suffice

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symptom:

ok

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Greek-Boy:

i'd love to know what happens when there is a second back-end in the mix and one uses

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Greek-Boy:

"Avoid conflicts between LiveTV and recordings"

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wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: absolutely no different from just adding additional tuners to a single backend

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wagnerrp:

it still goes from the bottom of the list, and uses the first available tuner it finds

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Greek-Boy:

yeah but does it look at each back-end individually?

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Greek-Boy:

or does it add up all the tuners from both back-ends then goes to the bottom?

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wagnerrp:

no, the tuners on all backend are just added to one mass pool

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wagnerrp:

the list is whatever order you added them in mythtv-setup

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Greek-Boy:

i see

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Greek-Boy:

what about the storage? how is that handled?

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GreyFoxx:

You define storage groups on each backend for where the local backend can store recordings

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wagnerrp:

i dont know the specifics of the load balancer for use with multiple backends

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Greek-Boy:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

Backend A will not write to a storage group on backend B

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wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: not exactly true

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GreyFoxx:

Though personally I have a single SG pointing to a single common storage location.

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wagnerrp:

i have no groups defined on my SBE

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wagnerrp:

they just fall back to those defined for my MBE, and mounted over NFS

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GreyFoxx:

Yes, true. I meant it's not writing via mythprotocol to ther other backend to write to the FS

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wagnerrp:

ah, yes.... local writes only at the moment

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Greek-Boy:

why do you really have a SBE? For hardware resources?

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wagnerrp:

freebsd doesnt support tuner cards well

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GreyFoxx:

gree: Extra cpu for encoding/commericial flagging, extra pci slots

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Greek-Boy:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

and before SG's some pople used them for storage

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GreyFoxx:

I've always just had 1 commonly nfs mounted location for storage regardless of where ti was recorded

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Greek-Boy:

anyone of you here use EIT to populate your listings?

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GreyFoxx:

in fact I have a user job which resets the backend value on which backend "recorded" the show so all of my shows are thought to be from the master backend, regardless of which machine actually recorded it

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GreyFoxx:

I hven't used EIT in a long time

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wagnerrp:

heh, i just do a mass 'update recorded set hostname' every so often

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wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: you know, theres that 'master backend override' for exactly that purpose, right?

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Greek-Boy:

How does that benefit you?

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wagnerrp:

the frontend will always try to pull it from the backend first, rather than going to the SBE

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wagnerrp:

s/backend/MBE/

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, but for a while it was a little buggy and caused me issues

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GreyFoxx:

so I just put the script in and left it :)

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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SirColin:

I Use EIT

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GreyFoxx:

Greek: It was a work around for something from just over a year ago. I've never bothered to remove it :) And my master backend is the only machine guaranteed to be powered on so I never want the sbe to be touched except for starting recordings

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Greek-Boy:

SirColin: My provider claims to be sending EIT schedule for more than a week but I only recieve the now/next info. Any ideas?

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GreyFoxx:

some use a seperate channel or pids to send the data on

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Greek-Boy:

yes, my provider has a channel called EITs

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SirColin:

hmm no sorry i have many days/weeks guide data

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SirColin:

all configured by myth

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Greek-Boy:

so how do i get it to look at that specific EIT?

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[R]:

Greek-Boy: can you tune to that channel?

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Greek-Boy:

[R] not yet

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Greek-Boy:

i'll try now

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Greek-Boy:

GreyFoxx: So even though your SBE starts the recordings, all the storage is on the PBE via NFS?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Greek-Boy:

i see

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Greek-Boy:

on good thing about MythTV, its so flexible

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Greek-Boy:

it should stay that way

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GreyFoxx:

Gree: Yeah, I basically use my sbe as a pci expansion chassis :)

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** GreyFoxx goes to watch something **

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wagnerrp:

usually a lot cheaper than buying a simple PCI backplane

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Greek-Boy:

hmmm...

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