| Saturday, April 24th, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:13] | jst_: | I'm moving to DC shortly, and will be traveling to (and possibly relocating to NYC in a few years)... check out my custom recording rule for HDTV |
| [00:00:17] | jst_: | err, HGTV |
| [00:00:18] | jst_: | channel.callsign = 'HGTV' AND (program.subtitle REGEXP '(D[[.period.]]C[[.period.]]|DC|Washington|Maryland|Md[[.period.]]|Virginia|Va[[ .period.]]|N[[.period.]]Y[[.period.]]C[[.period.]]|NYC|Manhattan|Brooklyn|New York)' OR program.description REGEXP '(D[[.period.]]C[[.period.]]|DC|Washington|Maryland|Md[[.period.]]|Virginia|Va[[ .period.]]|N[[.period.]]Y[[.period.]]C[[.period.]]|NYC|Manhattan|Brooklyn|New York)') |
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| [00:41:35] | nutron: | where in the svn tree would it be appropriate to write documentation on the perl bindings (API-ish docs) or do I just need to constrain the info to the wiki? |
| [00:43:37] | klk: | i just hooked up my HD-PVR. /var/log/messages says it is attached to /dev/video8 |
| [00:43:42] | nutron: | i'm assuming wiki then :) |
| [00:43:43] | klk: | but /dev/video8 doesn't exist |
| [00:44:02] | klk: | and if I look at /dev/video* it looks like /dev/video2 got created when I plugged it in |
| [00:44:20] | nutron: | klk: I can't help you, I don't run HD-PVR |
| [00:44:27] | nutron: | what does your /sys say? |
| [00:45:01] | klk: | my /sys what? |
| [00:46:30] | wagnerrp: | nutron: better to put it in the wiki |
| [00:46:38] | wagnerrp: | and leave what is in the repository to simple code comments |
| [00:47:28] | wagnerrp: | nutron: the 'official documentation' is basically whatever gets generated by a doxygen run |
| [00:49:11] | nutron: | klk: your /sys ... /sys/devices i believe |
| [00:49:31] | nutron: | wagnerrp: ok |
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| [01:10:32] | wagnerrp: | ugh... nothing i love more than code that works or breaks based off weather i enable a debugging print statement |
| [01:10:46] | wagnerrp: | whether |
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| [01:15:38] | nutron: | wagnerrp: your code of course |
| [01:15:43] | nutron: | :P |
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| [01:39:09] | JohnQ: | Is there a reasonable method of getting HD premium channels from comcast into a myth? |
| [01:39:16] | wagnerrp: | HDPVR |
| [01:40:00] | JohnQ: | Hm.. thanks |
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| [01:40:29] | JohnQ: | so... it transcodes it? Thats fantastic. |
| [01:40:37] | [R]: | wagnerrp++ on your users list email from this morning explaining bricked |
| [01:40:47] | wagnerrp: | no, it encodes it |
| [01:41:03] | wagnerrp: | transcoding implies going from one compressed digital format to another |
| [01:41:03] | JohnQ: | Well.. since the cable box is decoding.. :-) |
| [01:41:10] | wagnerrp: | this encodes from analog |
| [01:41:33] | JohnQ: | Right... but the analog signal came from the digital.. |
| [01:42:00] | JohnQ: | Interesting little box... |
| [01:42:03] | JohnQ: | One tuner? |
| [01:42:11] | wagnerrp: | no tuner, just analog capture |
| [01:42:37] | JohnQ: | Oh right.. .. so it's HDMI-in? :-) |
| [01:42:47] | wagnerrp: | analog |
| [01:42:57] | wagnerrp: | HDMI is digital only |
| [01:43:12] | wagnerrp: | and besides that, it will almost always be encrypted and unusable |
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| [01:45:57] | JohnQ: | Have you used one of these? Im curious how the quality looks. |
| [01:48:22] | iamlindoro: | Basically indistinguishable from the box with adequate bitrate |
| [01:48:39] | iamlindoro: | Many of us own them, they are quite popular |
| [01:50:02] | JohnQ: | Sounds like a viable option, |
| [01:52:37] | JohnQ: | So if you wanted to record two channels at once, you'd need two STBs and two HDPVRs. |
| [01:52:44] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [01:53:51] | JohnQ: | The only issue I see is that someday in the future they might have some channels in 1080p.. but that seems like a pretty minor concern. |
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| [01:54:31] | iamlindoro: | There are LOTS of TVs that don't support 1080p, and only up to 1080i, so STBs will always have a way to output in a format the HD-PVR understands |
| [01:54:58] | JohnQ: | Ya, probably. |
| [01:55:14] | JohnQ: | Sigh. I hate comcast. |
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| [01:56:09] | wagnerrp: | 'help me choose an os to run mythtv' |
| [01:56:15] | JohnQP: | ?? |
| [01:56:27] | JohnQP: | PalmOS. Good luck. |
| [01:56:32] | wagnerrp: | you know, im all for asking recommendations from people who have done this before |
| [01:56:41] | wagnerrp: | but my god, can people make no decisions on their own? |
| [01:57:38] | JohnQP: | People just want a one-size-fits-all solution. |
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| [02:03:24] | JohnQ: | It's a cute little solution. If I end up submitting to the will of the evil comcast, this might be a good solution. ... more boxes under my tv... but its the cleanest option thus far. |
| [02:03:38] | wagnerrp: | under your tv? why? |
| [02:04:29] | JohnQ: | Thats where I keep my myth, and my HDHRs, and my other AV equipment. |
| [02:04:37] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [02:05:19] | JohnQ: | Because there is space for it there. I;m not sure I understand your question... |
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| [02:05:36] | wagnerrp: | only the frontend needs to be by your tv |
| [02:05:52] | JohnQ: | Of course. |
| [02:06:11] | wagnerrp: | the backend can be put in a separate machine, shoved in a closet, an attic, split into multiple machines, put on the other side of a wall, etc... |
| [02:06:12] | JohnQ: | But the one machine is both FE and BE.. |
| [02:06:44] | JohnQ: | Sure, I could split it up.. but less machines seems like a good thing to me. |
| [02:07:02] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [02:07:24] | JohnQ: | Less power. Less parts to fail. Less machines to maintain... etc.. |
| [02:07:46] | wagnerrp: | a frontend doesnt have to stay on all the time, only when youre actually using it |
| [02:08:01] | JohnQ: | My BE already turns off when its idle too. |
| [02:08:07] | wagnerrp: | low duty cycle means it would cost <$10/yr in power |
| [02:08:28] | wagnerrp: | while the backend could be your general purpose server |
| [02:08:40] | wagnerrp: | use it as a file server for your desktop, web server online, mail server, etc... |
| [02:08:53] | JohnQ: | I have a different machine for all that goo. |
| [02:09:15] | JohnQ: | My BE/FE is really a very small machine. |
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| [02:10:30] | wagnerrp: | not if youve got a bunch of external tuners, cable boxes, and capture devices attached to it |
| [02:11:08] | JohnQ: | Right now its just 2 HDHRs. The rest is hame systems. |
| [02:11:13] | JohnQ: | game |
| [02:11:38] | JohnQ: | But once I add a STB and a HDPVR to that.. it begins to cross my line of "nice and small". |
| [02:12:22] | JohnQ: | I dunno. Maybe I should upgrade my main server, and move the BE onto it. Certainly would contain the eyesore. |
| [02:14:44] | JohnQ: | We're thinking of moving soon anyway. Might be a good excuse to do some of that sort of cleanup. |
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| [02:34:13] | JohnQ: | Are these things reasonably easy to set up? Or am I going to end up fighting with firmware revisions drivers and other stuff? |
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| [03:02:34] | yoyoitscr: | anyone in here from canada with rogers cable? |
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| [03:38:20] | mag0o: | is there a way to tell myth to use a different config.xml on startup? |
| [03:38:28] | mag0o: | mythfrontend |
| [03:40:38] | wagnerrp: | specify a different 'HOME' |
| [03:41:41] | mag0o: | hmm |
| [03:41:45] | mag0o: | ok |
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| [04:11:36] | JohnQ: | Is it possible to have two tuners which share the same SD lineup, but have different channels from the lineup enabled? |
| [04:12:12] | JohnQ: | (I.e., a HDPVR + STB vs an HDHR, both of which have the same lineup, but the HDHR only gets some of the channels). |
| [04:12:46] | nutron: | who has god mode capabilities for the chan? |
| [04:13:26] | mag0o: | couple of folks, but not sure if any are awake |
| [04:14:24] | mag0o: | maybe all of the +v do and only break out ops when needed |
| [04:16:39] | nutron: | mag0o: yeah it's what I figured, though... I'd like for one of them to be awake .. heh |
| [04:19:11] | mag0o: | what you need? |
| [04:19:56] | nutron: | to kick/ban |
| [04:21:54] | mag0o: | ah, maybe someone will poke here head in, some like to kic/ban on friday evenings :) |
| [04:22:07] | nutron: | heh |
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| [04:24:23] | mag0o: | others just like to set folks on fire |
| [04:25:03] | nutron: | :o I just bought a shiny new propane torch for that purpose... a tiger torch ... yum yum |
| [04:25:27] | nutron: | I'll be killin' my weeds in the morning, can't wait to hear those suckers scream |
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| [04:33:31] | wagnerrp: | JohnQ: youre allowed up to four lineups on a single account, just make a second acocunt |
| [04:34:01] | JohnQ: | I tried to add another linup, and it wouldnt let me add the same one twice. Even under a different zip |
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| [04:34:46] | wagnerrp: | JohnQ: the only thing you have to worry about are analog tuners |
| [04:35:00] | wagnerrp: | digital ones will not, and can not, automatically update their lineup from SD |
| [04:35:07] | JohnQ: | Ah |
| [04:35:49] | wagnerrp: | so if you have a QAM tuner, and analog capture through your STB |
| [04:36:07] | wagnerrp: | the analog tuner will update itself to match your SD lineup |
| [04:36:16] | wagnerrp: | and the digital one will require you to scan for updates |
| [04:36:49] | JohnQ: | I see. |
| [04:37:08] | wagnerrp: | nutron, mag0o: voice denotes developer, not op |
| [04:37:09] | JohnQ: | so HDPVR shows up as an analog source? |
| [04:37:24] | wagnerrp: | JohnQ: correct |
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| [04:38:57] | JohnQ: | So I make two sources, and point them at the same lineup (which has all channels), and then scan with the HDHR to find the right channels, match em all up so the overlaps have the right numbers... sounds easy enough. |
| [04:39:37] | JohnQ: | I should have my head examined... I am actually considering paying comcast more money after they screwed me over. |
| [04:40:17] | mag0o: | yes wagnerrp, but I've seen i am lindoro pull of the op stick a time or two (didn't want to ding him up there in case he's asleep) |
| [04:40:47] | wagnerrp: | asleep? its not even 10pm |
| [04:40:57] | mag0o: | true, he is left coast |
| [04:41:17] | wagnerrp: | but he is likely away and/or busy |
| [04:41:42] | wagnerrp: | anyway, you are right, most ops rarely keep their op full time |
| [04:41:54] | wagnerrp: | they stand out that way and people start asking things of them |
| [04:42:02] | Beirdo: | ahoy |
| [04:42:21] | Beirdo: | any of you people using clearwire? |
| [04:42:39] | wagnerrp: | sadly, no |
| [04:42:49] | wagnerrp: | theyre only giving that to the apartment buildings in my area |
| [04:43:23] | ** wagnerrp pines for clearwire ** | |
| [04:44:25] | Beirdo: | really?! |
| [04:44:34] | Beirdo: | it's wimax, why can't it work for you? |
| [04:44:38] | nutron: | wtf is clearwire? |
| [04:44:39] | Beirdo: | no coverage? |
| [04:44:40] | ** nutron googles ** | |
| [04:44:53] | ** wagnerrp is of course referring to 'glass wire', rather that that WiMAX company ** | |
| [04:45:11] | Beirdo: | ah |
| [04:45:20] | ** Beirdo reaches for a trout :) ** | |
| [04:45:26] | Beirdo: | clearwire.com |
| [04:45:33] | Beirdo: | there, that specific enough? :) |
| [04:45:52] | ** wagnerrp dodges right, hides in dark corner, gets eaten by grue ** | |
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| [04:46:55] | nutron: | hah yeah I tend to speak before I chew, tends to get me in trouble |
| [04:48:29] | wagnerrp: | WTF is firebug displaying a style different than that in the source code??? |
| [04:49:37] | wagnerrp: | im sitting here trying to figure out why a search in a parser is failing... because im simply searching for the wrong thing |
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| [04:53:00] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: firebug (and many other parsers) "fix" the source |
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| [04:56:33] | wagnerrp: | im trying to decide whether regex or xpath syntax is more esoteric |
| [04:57:41] | Beirdo: | I prefer a mix of xpath and CSS paths |
| [04:57:50] | Beirdo: | Hpricot FTW |
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| [05:09:49] | iamlindoro: | Who was looking for an op/why? |
| [05:12:11] | wagnerrp: | i think nutron was looking for someone to kick him |
| [05:12:41] | nutron: | iamlindoro: i msg'd u |
| [05:13:20] | wagnerrp: | how was the movie? |
| [05:13:35] | iamlindoro: | Good! Worth seeing |
| [05:14:20] | iamlindoro: | yoyoitscr, If I see you ask that question again, you are permanently banned. Consider this your one and only warning. |
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| [05:14:32] | iamlindoro: | yoyoitscr, This is *NOT* your personal marketplace. |
| [05:14:50] | clever: | Beirdo: i think its less firebug and more firefox thats doing the source changes, firefox is re-creating the source from the dom env |
| [05:14:59] | iamlindoro: | especially for selling ILLEGAL HARDWARE. |
| [05:15:05] | clever: | and its not always going to return the same source as the original |
| [05:15:09] | iamlindoro: | If anyone else sees him ask that again, please let me know |
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| [05:15:28] | wagnerrp: | did he pm nutron about it? |
| [05:15:30] | wagnerrp: | i never saw it |
| [05:15:36] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [05:15:46] | iamlindoro: | And asked a half dozen times today |
| [05:15:48] | iamlindoro: | and now we know why |
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| [05:16:42] | mukiex: | Is there a way to stream out livetv via HTTP? It only needs to work on the LAN, and it doesn't need any channel-changing abilities. |
| [05:16:56] | nutron: | lol I hate the internet... i'm working on the bindings... last half hour I spent on wikipedia reading about Quake I... |
| [05:17:01] | wagnerrp: | no, not livetv |
| [05:17:06] | nutron: | now I'm watching a Quake speedrun on youtube ... |
| [05:17:17] | mukiex: | rofl |
| [05:17:18] | mag0o: | hehe, i was reading wikipedia the other day about the gum i was chewing |
| [05:17:30] | wagnerrp: | you can stream recordings through mythweb or from the mythbackend web server |
| [05:17:33] | mag0o: | turns out that trident layers isn't for vegetarians |
| [05:17:34] | mukiex: | wagnerrp: There's no workaround, like using VLC? |
| [05:17:34] | wagnerrp: | but no livetv |
| [05:17:41] | clever: | nutron: wikipedia is evil like that |
| [05:17:55] | mag0o: | (not that i'm a vegetarian, im a member of peta, people eating tasty animals) |
| [05:17:59] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not support vlc, and visa versa |
| [05:18:16] | mukiex: | You'd think that if nobody needs to write to /dev/video0, it would be arbitrary for more than one program to read it simultaneously. =( |
| [05:18:17] | nutron: | mag0o: seriously? There's animal product in Trident? |
| [05:18:29] | mag0o: | look up trident layers on wikipedia |
| [05:18:42] | wagnerrp: | nutron: they probably have some gelatin in the gum |
| [05:21:37] | nutron: | oooh dude my secretary is severely vegetarian, a new place opened up nearby. We've gone for lunch there about 6 times in the last month... she asked twice if there was any animal product in the gravy... nope. 7th time the new waitress tells her it's got chicken broth... lol I loved the look on her face |
| [05:21:48] | wagnerrp: | i hate vegans... |
| [05:22:02] | nutron: | ... and she chews gum... |
| [05:22:09] | mag0o: | give her some trident |
| [05:22:10] | mag0o: | :) |
| [05:22:22] | wagnerrp: | you want to be vegetarian because you dont like the taste of meat, or you think its healthier? youre wrong, but thats your purgative... |
| [05:22:25] | wagnerrp: | but vegans are idoits |
| [05:22:34] | nutron: | lol that's why I'm so shocked, I haven't given gum much thought... but yeah gelatin makes complete sense. |
| [05:23:00] | wagnerrp: | nutron: you cant go to a restaurant if youre a vegan |
| [05:23:14] | wagnerrp: | EVERYTHING has some form of animal product |
| [05:23:28] | nutron: | well, I refer to her as a vagitarian... I figure vegans and lesbians are one in the same. |
| [05:24:02] | nutron: | wagnerrp: iamlindoro says you know how to do subpages from a user page, mind telling me how? |
| [05:24:24] | wagnerrp: | nutron: just do 'User:yourself/your_sub_page' |
| [05:24:45] | wagnerrp: | mediawiki will automatically add bread crumbs (or whatever theyre called) back to your main page |
| [05:25:03] | wagnerrp: | however i found out later that there is no clean way to do that on normal pages |
| [05:26:01] | nutron: | wagnerrp: ok, thanks I'll give it a try. |
| [05:26:23] | wagnerrp: | my problem with vegans is that they have arbitrarily chosen that some forms of life are sacred and not to be eaten |
| [05:27:10] | wagnerrp: | what gives them the right to draw the line and say that carrot doesnt deserve to live, but youre not allowed to eat that cute cuddly squirrel |
| [05:27:33] | mag0o: | i've often wondered the same |
| [05:27:52] | mukiex: | So the popcorn hour can play the MythWeb "Download" link perfect, which is awesome. Now I have to figure out how to make the download link appear properly on it. (Its web browser sucks horribly) |
| [05:27:53] | wagnerrp: | and thats besides the fact that most of them are posers, and eat meat products each and every day |
| [05:28:01] | nutron: | I can't say I've tried squirrels. But the little effer that keeps humping my roof torch sure looks tasty these days. |
| [05:28:10] | mukiex: | Does MythWeb offer any sort of Api to custom make a website with its info? |
| [05:28:24] | nutron: | mukiex: perl bindings will :) |
| [05:28:46] | nutron: | mukiex: there are python bindings (well the only ones worth using atm) |
| [05:28:46] | wagnerrp: | mukiex: mythtv has its own api to custom make a website with |
| [05:29:15] | wagnerrp: | all mythweb does it pull information from the backend and database |
| [05:29:44] | wagnerrp: | there is no reason for it to have an API besides for developing new modules for it |
| [05:31:45] | wagnerrp: | one of the waiters at the restaurant my sister used to work at would 'have fun' with the vegans |
| [05:32:02] | wagnerrp: | 'oh, you cant have that salad, the dressing was made with anchovies' |
| [05:32:52] | wagnerrp: | 'no, you cant have it without the dressing either, as <something else> was used in the fertilizer used to grow those vegetables' |
| [05:33:44] | mukiex: | All I wanna do is make a simple page with direct links to the recorded vids ^_^ |
| [05:34:43] | wagnerrp: | mukiex: check out mythtv/contrib/development/MythXMLTest |
| [05:34:57] | wagnerrp: | it will explain how to pull video off the backend web server |
| [05:35:12] | Beirdo: | |
| [05:35:23] | mag0o: | spoiler alert? |
| [05:35:25] | mag0o: | :) |
| [05:35:28] | wagnerrp: | then you just need to pull a list of recordings from the backend, and copy the links |
| [05:35:54] | wagnerrp: | no, he fell asleep with his head on the space bar |
| [05:35:56] | mukiex: | Thanks |
| [05:36:05] | wagnerrp: | then suddenly work up and pounded the enter key |
| [05:36:10] | Beirdo: | hand actually |
| [05:36:13] | wagnerrp: | s/work/woke/ |
| [05:36:20] | Beirdo: | be thankful it wasn't a k |
| [05:36:21] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:40:00] | wagnerrp: | k? |
| [05:40:30] | Beirdo: | yeah, I often fall asleep either on a k or an f for some reason |
| [05:40:41] | ** wagnerrp thinks someone should gut mythweb and produce some php bindings ** | |
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| [05:45:10] | kdas: | i been trying to get myth up and working for some time now |
| [05:45:16] | kdas: | i have an acocunt with SchDirect and have set up my channel lineups |
| [05:46:07] | kdas: | however i have a problem when i start my frontend |
| [05:46:58] | kdas: | i get some "conflicting" channels so i let mythtv suggest the channels |
| [05:47:24] | kdas: | but now my channel which is Bravo is said to be prepaid |
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| [05:50:35] | kdas: | i tried using scet6scan (or whatever the comcast scanner thing) and to what it looks like it looks fine to my current channels (cant tell for sure) and i have tried merging it with the SQL but no changes? |
| [05:50:41] | kdas: | anones helps would be great |
| [05:51:26] | kdas: | Is anyone even here? |
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| [05:56:34] | nutron: | I'm not here |
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| [06:03:26] | kdas: | sigh |
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| [06:20:40] | klk: | when i plug in my HDPVR, dmesg says it gets assigned /dev/video8, but if i ls /dev there is no video8 |
| [06:21:27] | kdas: | is ther any video devices? |
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| [06:25:19] | klk: | kdas: yes, if i look at the creation times of /dev/video* it looks like /dev/video2 was created when i plugged it in |
| [06:26:24] | kdas: | so why not use video2? |
| [06:27:58] | klk: | if I try to cat /dev/video2 >> test.ts it fails "cat: write error: Bad address" |
| [06:34:21] | kdas: | ls -l /dev/video2 |
| [06:34:26] | kdas: | what does that return |
| [06:35:31] | klk: | crw-rw----+ 1 root video 81, 8 2010-04–23 23:34 /dev/video2 |
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| [06:36:06] | kdas: | odd |
| [06:36:30] | kdas: | so dmesg says your card is being assigned to video8 and you only see a video 2? and its not a link |
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| [06:39:46] | klk: | yep |
| [06:40:01] | kdas: | what distro |
| [06:41:33] | klk: | fedora 12 |
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| [06:47:53] | kdas: | u should try to use mythdora |
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| [08:08:31] | pak0: | good morning |
| [08:08:49] | pak0: | finally got working fine mythbakcend with another stick |
| [08:09:06] | SirColin: | morning |
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| [08:09:49] | pak0: | i have tested it with 3 adapters with af9015 firmware, 2 on usb, and one in pci, and with all have the same problem, the adapter disconnects from mythbackend or something, because i can see it on dmesg and on /dev/dvb |
| [08:10:29] | pak0: | now i have another stick, hauppauge nova-td-hd, and on usb port, working 20 hours w/o disconnect, i think the problem is on the dvb-usb-af9015.fw |
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| [08:15:08] | peque: | Hey Guys! I've have a quick question about Mythfilldatabase. I'm In doubt here. I have sateliteTV and therefore 2VideoSources – but my XMLTV data is limitede for One download a day – Could I update from the same source without adding the new channels using something like this – mythfilldatabase --update --file 1 xmltv.xml --remove-new-channels |
| [08:21:07] | oobe: | peque, yes my grabber does that for multiple sources to save resources |
| [08:21:50] | oobe: | e.g tv_grab_au --daily --quiet && mythfilldatabase --update --file 1 ~/.shepherd/output.xmltv --quiet && mythfilldatabase --update --file 2 ~/.shepherd/output.xmltv --quiet |
| [08:21:59] | peque: | OK – thanks |
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| [09:44:25] | SirColin: | dvdrip rocks when clustered! |
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| [11:37:33] | brif8: | I have come along way overnight, I have picture in analog in MythTV finally :) but no audio? any ideas I have tried /dev/dsp and ALSA:default no success |
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| [11:50:27] | Shadow__X: | brif8: check if you have audio outside of myth and then see what audio its using |
| [11:51:03] | brif8: | I have with tvtime yes, and it has /dev/mixer:line in the tvtime.xml |
| [11:53:12] | brif8: | but If I set /dev/mixer:line in backend I get in the backend log Error: Failed to open audio device /dev/mixer:line |
| [11:53:57] | Shadow__X: | have you tried to set it to alsa default but raise the volume? |
| [11:54:38] | Shadow__X: | also if this a regular audio out or is it hdmi |
| [11:54:47] | Shadow__X: | what port are you using |
| [11:55:28] | brif8: | Yes just a static hiss Using a HVR-950Q I would say regular audio not sure what you mean , sorry |
| [11:56:36] | Shadow__X: | also are you using analog on that hvr-950 |
| [11:56:50] | brif8: | When it starts is sounds like car tires screeching. Yes I'm using analog |
| [11:58:23] | Shadow__X: | have you used the wiki to set it up |
| [11:58:27] | Shadow__X: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_WinTV_HVR-950 |
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| [11:59:02] | Shadow__X: | and that tuner to my knowledge uses a framegrabber which is garbage |
| [12:00:03] | Shadow__X: | the issue might be that you dont have the audio source setup probperly in the backend |
| [12:00:15] | brif8: | Yes I followed that link and I would agree |
| [12:00:37] | Shadow__X: | if you have any other type of audio such as music or video i would test that on the frontend |
| [12:00:58] | brif8: | ok let me try that |
| [12:02:47] | Shadow__X: | to change audio settings on the frontend utilities/setup then setup then general and the settings to look at are on the 4th and 5th page |
| [12:03:33] | brif8: | How do I import mp3 audio files into myth frontend |
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| [12:04:32] | Shadow__X: | brif8: that should be in the wiki |
| [12:04:37] | Shadow__X: | or in the manual |
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| [12:10:04] | brif8: | ok needed to install mythmusic trying to play mp3 file I get Mixer unable to find control Master 1 in frontend log file |
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| [12:12:49] | Shadow__X: | make sure alsa is properly setup |
| [12:25:27] | brif8: | okay have mp3 file playing with small background hiss, but okay for now |
| [12:26:14] | brif8: | again no audio on analog TV |
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| [12:34:27] | Shadow__X: | brif8: so you are able to hear audio through myth frontend? |
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| [14:03:59] | kromonos: | hi there |
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| [14:04:32] | kromonos: | I have a little problem with mythtv 0.22 and arch linux … |
| [14:04:33] | _abbenormal: | hello |
| [14:05:10] | kromonos: | RingBuf(/tmp/1000.....) Error: Invalid file desciptor in 'save_read()' |
| [14:05:20] | kromonos: | everytime, I try to start live tv |
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| [14:28:48] | kromonos: | or … another thing: DTVParamHelper::toString() index out of bounds when I click onto channel search |
| [14:29:50] | kromonos: | TV Card Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI analogue is working perfectly with tvtime |
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| [14:32:33] | brif8: | Shadow_X: sorry got called away, yes I can hear mp3 playing from music nothing from analog tv |
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| [14:33:17] | TheCrasher: | Hey fellows.. I've a gentoo box with mythtv on it and cant get mythtv to recognize the lirc input.. irw shows the buttons just fine but mythtv does not react to ANY of them.. any ideas / hints? |
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| [14:36:54] | johnnyj: | sphery? |
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| [14:43:11] | TheCrasher: | Is guess that means no :-( |
| [14:44:36] | Shadow__X: | brif8: i wouild make sure you have the audio inputs setup correctly in the backend for your tuner |
| [14:45:41] | brif8: | Shadow_X: on the Capture Card I have Audio device: ALSA:default Audio sampling: 44100 |
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| [14:50:50] | johnnyj: | oh well – i guess ill be doing trial and error |
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| [14:51:40] | johnnyj: | i'm trying to get the dummy tuner working and i realized finally that the stuff from my hd-PVR isn't what an mpeg tuner wants to find in a file: |
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| [14:55:44] | johnnyj: | ...so im processing a file through ffmpeg with -vcodec mpeg2video and I hope that's what the mpeg tuner expects |
| [14:56:04] | johnnyj: | i really dont want to have to re-install my old pv150 |
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| [15:05:47] | wagnerrp: | TheCrasher: if mythtv is not responding to LIRC, then you have not provided mythtv with the proper config file |
| [15:06:04] | wagnerrp: | that goes in ~/.mythtv/lircrc of the user running mythfrontend |
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| [15:15:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | johnnyj, try #7 from this page as a test, I think it will work. http://www.jhepple.com/support/sample_movies1.htm |
| [15:16:09] | johnnyj: | good deal – I'll try that out |
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| [15:22:49] | Shadow__X: | brif8: i am not entirely sure |
| [15:23:19] | Shadow__X: | brif8: although i thought that the in the tuner setup it needed the input for the card not the output |
| [15:23:27] | Shadow__X: | so make sure that is correct |
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| [15:25:44] | brif8: | How do I fidn which device is linked to /dev/dsp or /dev/dsp1 ? |
| [15:25:47] | brif8: | find |
| [15:26:07] | wagnerrp: | dmesg? |
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| [15:26:26] | brif8: | dmesg no longer has the boot stuff |
| [15:26:50] | Shadow__X: | could grep be of assistance |
| [15:27:31] | brif8: | dmesg | more starts with [48167] not [0] all it lists is the debug output from x5000 |
| [15:28:01] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: his computer has been on too long, and the boot-time stuff has been flushed out of the logs |
| [15:28:26] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: oh ok i gotcha so what should be done in a situation like this reboot? surely there must be a better way |
| [15:28:29] | brif8: | correct |
| [15:28:58] | wagnerrp: | well hes going to have to reboot to install that new mpeg encoder card anyway... :P |
| [15:29:44] | Shadow__X: | right heh get onto installing the driver and rebooting |
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| [15:32:13] | brif8: | YEAH! ! ! ! ! ! ! set the tuner to /dev/dsp1 and I have sound :) :D :) |
| [15:33:55] | Shadow__X: | glad to hear it brif8 now make sure you get the digital side working |
| [15:34:05] | Shadow__X: | it should be less work in setup anyway |
| [15:34:25] | brif8: | yeah that will be next but knowing my way very hard |
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| [15:35:34] | Shadow__X: | brif8: in the setup process digital should be easier or atleast in my experience it was |
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| [15:47:12] | spydmobile_: | Hi folks, I have a mythbuntu 9.10 backend/frontend and several other frontend clients. I am now ready to replace my agining backend. is it as simple as installing another backend, letting it adopt the jobs and shutting down the old one?, they all save recordingsa to a NAS. |
| [15:53:14] | spydmobile_: | ping anyone? |
| [15:55:20] | AndyCap: | spydmobile_: I think it's alittle more involved than that |
| [15:56:26] | wagnerrp: | spydmobile_: the only thing that denotes the master backend is that the IP listed for the master backend is the same as that of the local backend |
| [15:56:35] | spydmobile_: | AndyCap: I have been searching the web, and wikis for an approach but have come up empty handed. My backend is trouble and I have a shiny new machine, I just need an approach. |
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| [15:56:56] | wagnerrp: | however if you want to do a full migration, thats going to include migrating the database, migrating the recordings, possibly migrating the tuner cards |
| [15:56:59] | AndyCap: | spydmobile_: yes, was trying to find the new hardware article for you |
| [15:57:19] | AndyCap: | assuming it still exists and isn't horribly out of date |
| [16:00:52] | spydmobile_: | capture hardware is identical and Recordings are already good since all systems record to a NAS, so the DB is the only issue i think. |
| [16:01:14] | wagnerrp: | spydmobile_: mythtv records which backend recorded each file |
| [16:01:26] | wagnerrp: | so when you are trying to stream back from that backend, it will try to pull from there |
| [16:01:46] | wagnerrp: | those need to be updated or mythtv will not behave properly when dealing with those files |
| [16:01:59] | spydmobile_: | wagnerrp: Yes, so you are saying that once I turn off the old one, the system will choke becuase the backend is not there to serve it? |
| [16:02:22] | wagnerrp: | your frontends all have this same NAS network mounted locally? |
| [16:02:25] | spydmobile_: | that could be a simple SQL update statement I think yes? |
| [16:02:30] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [16:02:31] | spydmobile_: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [16:02:58] | wagnerrp: | in that case, mythtv will discover the files locally, and access them over NFS rather than its own streaming protocol |
| [16:03:00] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: you'd be ok if they have the same name though? |
| [16:03:08] | AndyCap: | or is it ip? |
| [16:03:12] | wagnerrp: | hostname |
| [16:03:41] | wagnerrp: | if you are going to make the new machine the same hostname as the last one, there should be no problems |
| [16:03:41] | spydmobile_: | I did the nas thing becuase I have gone through some grief before and now when I loose a myth system all my recordings are still there.... |
| [16:03:55] | AndyCap: | and if you lose the nas? :P |
| [16:03:55] | wagnerrp: | just make sure to double check your recorders and storage groups |
| [16:04:13] | AndyCap: | spydmobile_: this should cover your database backup http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [16:04:27] | spydmobile_: | AndyCap: If I loose this nas – lol well then I am SOL, but its TV not gold.... |
| [16:04:50] | spydmobile_: | wagnerrp: not useing storage groups yet |
| [16:04:58] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: and if youre changing hostnames, that script AndyCap linked offers the ability to change those hostnames in the database as well |
| [16:05:18] | wagnerrp: | spydmobile_: of course youre using storage groups... unless youre still back using 0.19 |
| [16:06:10] | spydmobile_: | wagnerrp: sorry, I mean I upgraded from older versions until I am here, but have not setup any kind of storage groups, |
| [16:06:26] | spydmobile_: | wagnerrp: whatever mythtv has setup is my config |
| [16:06:43] | wagnerrp: | spydmobile_: youre still using storage groups for recordings |
| [16:06:45] | spydmobile_: | wagnerrp: FYI not sure its releavant but its mythbuntu 9.10 |
| [16:07:01] | wagnerrp: | which is 0.22 (pre-release) |
| [16:07:02] | spydmobile_: | wagnerrp: ok, im just blissfully unaware ;-) |
| [16:07:42] | wagnerrp: | those got added (and made mandatory) in 0.19 or 0.20 |
| [16:07:45] | wagnerrp: | somewhere around there |
| [16:08:11] | wagnerrp: | if you didnt set them up yourself, there may have been some sql code to automatically migrate the old settings into the proper storage group |
| [16:08:36] | spydmobile_: | wagnerrp: Most likely thats it. ok, so the plan so far, install mythbuntu backend from scratch, name system same hostmae, backup anthe db from the old and restore to the new? |
| [16:08:54] | wagnerrp: | sounds good |
| [16:09:10] | wagnerrp: | just make sure to check your recorders and storage group directories in mythtv-setup |
| [16:09:17] | spydmobile_: | Great, Well if I have issues I am sure you might hear about it ;-) |
| [16:09:18] | wagnerrp: | just to ensure nothing has changed since the old setup |
| [16:09:41] | spydmobile_: | Thanks you guys :-) |
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| [16:10:52] | wagnerrp: | so should i add broadcast message support to the bindings? or start work on the jobqueue rewrite? |
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| [16:12:56] | iamlindoro: | Don't ask, you're just lead people to believe they get a vote ;) |
| [16:15:46] | iamlindoro: | er you'll |
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| [16:20:20] | johnnyj: | iamlindoro: we had that problem with mgmt the other day |
| [16:20:24] | johnnyj: | someone asked |
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| [16:29:02] | Shadow__X: | the anticipation is killing me what did mgmt say |
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| [16:34:32] | wagnerrp: | it was supposed to be a weekly planning meeting, but after foolishly putting direction up to an open vote, they now have no-pants wednesdays |
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| [16:41:16] | TheCrasher: | wagnerrp: The file is where its supposed to be ;) |
| [16:41:33] | TheCrasher: | However you just gave me an idea ;) |
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| [16:43:17] | TheCrasher: | Damn I thought maybe the file permissions where wrong.. they arent |
| [16:44:55] | johnnyj: | Captain_Murdoch: that sample worked great – thanks |
| [16:49:02] | TheCrasher: | This is my lircrc: http://pastebin.com/axD2dXtn |
| [16:49:42] | TheCrasher: | mythfrontend log shows that the files is loaded as lircrc |
| [16:50:07] | TheCrasher: | 2010-04–23 18:06:51.582 LIRC: Successfully initialized '/var/run/lirc/lircd' using '/home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc' config |
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| [17:01:39] | sphery: | johnnyj: I take it you're all set, now... MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 definitely wouldn't be "a valid MPEG-2 file" :). |
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| [17:05:05] | johnnyj: | yeah im set – the dummy tuner works with that sample file |
| [17:05:21] | johnnyj: | im also making progress on the new dummy class |
| [17:05:33] | sphery: | cool |
| [17:05:37] | johnnyj: | but the other half has outdoorsy plans for my time today |
| [17:06:05] | sphery: | yeah, I'm about to disappear, too (but indoor, non-computer work today--outdoor work tomorrow, likely) |
| [17:08:47] | johnnyj: | yes the phrase '...and you can bring the laptop and work on stuff' (by the pool) was uttered |
| [17:08:50] | johnnyj: | we shall see |
| [17:08:53] | johnnyj: | have a good one |
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| [17:36:25] | brif8: | as I suspected I have setup the digital tuner and digital stations and when I select one I get the good old snow picture |
| [17:36:54] | wagnerrp: | the digital tuner will not get 'snow' |
| [17:37:43] | wagnerrp: | but analog tuners trying to capture digital stations will get 'snow' |
| [17:37:53] | wagnerrp: | albeit at a high power level |
| [17:38:41] | brif8: | So how do I change to the digital tuner once the analog is installed |
| [17:38:51] | brif8: | I know the digital worked before |
| [17:44:56] | SirColin: | is it possible to browse mythmusic by album ? i can't seem to find the option newhere ? |
| [17:46:46] | wagnerrp: | brif8: you install that device as two separate tuners |
| [17:47:01] | wagnerrp: | and then you define them in a single input group |
| [17:47:10] | wagnerrp: | so mythtv knows it can only record off one at a time |
| [17:47:58] | brif8: | I have setup two capture cards v4l and dvb and the name the same group, yes |
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| [17:50:20] | brif8: | I even tried with 1 and now two video sources |
| [17:50:28] | brif8: | so where could I have gone wrong ? |
| [17:50:41] | wagnerrp: | what is the problem? |
| [17:51:21] | brif8: | I can now watch analog, but when I type in an un encrypted digital station I get the snow picture of old |
| [17:52:03] | ver: | does anybody know of a MediaCipher capable capture card for digital cable + linux/mythtv? |
| [17:52:12] | wagnerrp: | youre not trying to share the same source between them are you? |
| [17:52:44] | brif8: | I have tried with 1 and now 2 video sources |
| [17:52:45] | wagnerrp: | ver: cablecard tuners (and drm in general) will never be supported by any open source project |
| [17:53:10] | ver: | well, it's just encryption.. |
| [17:53:11] | wagnerrp: | brif8: the analog stations are only on the analog source, digital on the digital source? |
| [17:53:18] | wagnerrp: | ver: no, it is DRM |
| [17:53:29] | ver: | how-so? |
| [17:53:49] | wagnerrp: | mediacipher is the encryption format used by cablecard |
| [17:53:54] | ver: | macrovision i can understand, but mediacipher can be decoded directly to unencrypted mpeg-ts if needed |
| [17:53:57] | wagnerrp: | cablecard is a drm scheme |
| [17:54:07] | ver: | ahh it's the card then |
| [17:54:29] | wagnerrp: | and cablecard tuners are the only ones that will have the proper keys to decrypt the mediacipher-encrypted video sent by your cable company |
| [17:54:48] | ** ver is the cable company ** | |
| [17:55:23] | wagnerrp: | so get them to broadcast stuff unencrypted |
| [17:55:42] | ver: | i'm afraid i can't tell cancom to open up their encryption, it's a motorola monopoly |
| [17:55:46] | brif8: | wagnerp: yes |
| [17:55:58] | wagnerrp: | conditional access systems as used on DVB-C and DVB-S can be used by mythtv |
| [17:56:24] | wagnerrp: | as they only control the initial access, afterwards providing unencrypted video to whoever wants it |
| [17:56:30] | ver: | easily, yeah, i've been trying to work with bell on that, since they use DVB, but they have no quicktake system in place |
| [17:56:43] | wagnerrp: | drm schemes require control over the content throughout its entire life |
| [17:57:55] | ver: | the only option i can come up with is demuxing the transponders, decrypting them, reencrypting/locking them with DVB-CA and sending them over the pipe |
| [17:58:11] | wagnerrp: | which requires that it remain encrypted, they provide the keys to the customer to view the content, and then obfuscate them in some manner to prevent the customer from accessing them |
| [17:58:29] | wagnerrp: | that obfuscation is the integral part of DRM that makes the whole thing work |
| [17:58:36] | wagnerrp: | and you cant do that in open source |
| [17:58:56] | ver: | i'm not sure digicipher works quite like that |
| [17:59:28] | wagnerrp: | with cablecard recorders, the content is stored encrypted on disk |
| [17:59:45] | wagnerrp: | and then has to be passed back through the card during playback for authorization and decryption |
| [17:59:49] | ver: | that part i can believe |
| [18:00:06] | wagnerrp: | after which it MUST be passed through a secure pipeline all the way to the display |
| [18:00:36] | wagnerrp: | the stipulations of cablelabs licensing require that the unencrypted content never be put in a position that they could be accessed externally |
| [18:01:04] | wagnerrp: | mythtv could never provide such support, xorg could never provide such support |
| [18:01:33] | wagnerrp: | the ONLY way something like that would work would be nvidia implementing the necessary decryption in the shaders in their video cards |
| [18:01:35] | ver: | neither could a dsub port. |
| [18:01:44] | spyd_installing: | wagnerrp: So I have to change the plan a bit, I guess I forgot about some services that need to stay on the network, and so I cant rebuild the backend using the same name as the original, So I am building a primary backend, with a different name, can I still just restor my backup and do a search an replace in the DB for the backendname? |
| [18:01:55] | wagnerrp: | and then providing a special encrypted port that the content could be sent to |
| [18:02:10] | wagnerrp: | having it all done in their closed source proprietary drivers |
| [18:02:19] | wagnerrp: | such that the linux system never has access to the content |
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| [18:02:38] | wagnerrp: | thats basically how something like (linux based) tivo works |
| [18:02:56] | wagnerrp: | they provide a custom hardware pipeline that does their processing and decryption |
| [18:03:10] | wagnerrp: | such that the decrypted video is never made available to the underlying linux system |
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| [18:03:57] | ver: | jeez i hate motorola |
| [18:04:10] | ver: | i have 3 tuners on my mythtv box too |
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| [18:06:21] | ver: | well, how about a DVB stream encrypted with nagra3? |
| [18:07:03] | wagnerrp: | thats the stuff directtv uses? |
| [18:07:04] | ver: | if i had a 'cablecard' (not cable labs, but a smart dvb-c capture card) with a smartcard port which could accept a nagra3 keycard, would that be acceptable? |
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| [18:07:14] | wagnerrp: | i dont think there are any tuner cards that support such |
| [18:07:58] | ver: | but basically, if myth can get a char device which is controllable by IOCTLs and receive a standard MPEG mux, it could be supported? |
| [18:08:11] | ver: | hardware i can get built, it's the providers i can't change |
| [18:08:30] | ver: | nagra3 is used by Bell distribution in my country |
| [18:08:44] | ver: | and it's probably the same satellite that directtv uses |
| [18:08:55] | iamlindoro: | Dish |
| [18:09:02] | ver: | or whichever :) |
| [18:09:06] | wagnerrp: | it all boils down to companies wanting DRM schemes |
| [18:09:19] | wagnerrp: | and DRM schemes never allowing the video to be passed unencrypted to anything |
| [18:09:33] | wagnerrp: | youll never get hardware licensed for use that could do such a thing |
| [18:10:02] | ver: | well, i'll find out for sure about that soon enough |
| [18:10:05] | wagnerrp: | god forbid they relinquish a bit of control over the content to the user who purchased it |
| [18:10:18] | wagnerrp: | that might cut into future video-on-demand services |
| [18:10:32] | ver: | they rode that boat when the VCR was invented |
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| [18:10:53] | ver: | besides, i have a DVD recorder sitting beside me intended to do exactly the same thing in a digital format :p |
| [18:10:59] | wagnerrp: | and fought it tooth and nail until the supreme court shut them down |
| [18:11:19] | wagnerrp: | so they decided to act pre-emptively, and get the DMCA in place first |
| [18:11:32] | ver: | which has done wonders for the record companies heh |
| [18:12:37] | ver: | so what you're saying is there's no way to bring digital to my town without forcing my viewers to use a decoder box |
| [18:12:53] | wagnerrp: | the record companies cant touch DMCA, as their preferred method of distribution is unencrypted |
| [18:12:59] | ver: | aside from talking cancom and each broadcaster to toss out digicipher |
| [18:13:29] | wagnerrp: | you personally run a small cable company? |
| [18:13:34] | ver: | yep |
| [18:13:36] | ver: | a tiny one |
| [18:13:45] | wagnerrp: | then you can do whatever you please |
| [18:14:23] | wagnerrp: | but you may be restricted by licensing requirements by the content providers on the |
| [18:14:25] | ver: | well, i want to be able to put a PCI card or usb adapter into my mythbox and record digital shows, even if it means switching from mediacipher to a smartcard system |
| [18:16:37] | ver: | i guess my only real option is encoding it myself. setting up some IRTs to decode the transponders into a boatload of DVB-CA capable muxers? |
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| [18:17:56] | wagnerrp: | youre in sweden, so ignore most of my commentary above |
| [18:18:12] | wagnerrp: | that was from the point of view of a us/northamerican cable customer |
| [18:18:50] | ver: | i'm in canada |
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| [18:19:31] | wagnerrp: | bleh... server youre connected to is in sweden |
| [18:19:40] | wagnerrp: | always get that messed up |
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| [18:20:00] | wagnerrp: | in the US, i believe the FCC mandates that cable companies support cablecard |
| [18:20:24] | wagnerrp: | that was back when they assumed 3rd parties would easily be able to produce devices that could use cablecard |
| [18:20:38] | ver: | i did read up on the cablecard joke |
| [18:20:42] | ver: | i mean, mandate |
| [18:20:46] | wagnerrp: | i dont know anything about the restrictions in canada |
| [18:20:56] | wagnerrp: | you do have the option of just using STBs and firewire |
| [18:21:06] | ver: | probably similar, but i'm small enough to be exempt from most any restriction |
| [18:21:16] | wagnerrp: | the STB itself will implement all the conditional access you want |
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| [18:21:48] | wagnerrp: | and so long as you dont put on the copy flags to enable 5C encryption, mythtv and any other PVR software that supports firewire will be able to record off of it |
| [18:21:50] | ver: | i really do want a 'clean' CA system. |
| [18:21:55] | wagnerrp: | no tuner card needed, for better or worse |
| [18:22:19] | trumee: | is there a way to ask mythvideo to rescan folders via console? |
| [18:22:24] | ver: | i already have QAM capture cards, a half dozen or so, and with DVB-CA encoded media, they'll work out of the box |
| [18:23:28] | wagnerrp: | trumee: what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [18:23:43] | trumee: | 0.22 |
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| [18:23:56] | wagnerrp: | jamu implements its own scanner |
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| [18:24:48] | trumee: | wagnerrp: everytime i have vnc into the server just to do a rescan |
| [18:25:17] | wagnerrp: | ver: any CA support would have to be done in hardware |
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| [18:25:33] | ver: | i'm looking at this: http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvbcsa.html |
| [18:25:40] | ver: | i think i could graft that in relatively easily |
| [18:25:52] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will never support softcams, as they are usually used to access channels that users are not paying for |
| [18:27:06] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, they are considered topics not to be discussed on the irc channels and mailing lists for the same reason |
| [18:27:35] | ver: | videolan has also developed a DVB-CA library i believe, for overlaying access support |
| [18:27:53] | ver: | i think this may be a win wagnerrp :p |
| [18:28:15] | markl_: | is there a list of valid MythTV keys to use? |
| [18:28:32] | markl_: | i am setting up my lircrc file, and I need to know the valid values for the "config=" line |
| [18:28:55] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Keybindings |
| [18:29:15] | trumee: | wagnerrp: does telnet interface allow folder scan? |
| [18:29:32] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1 |
| [18:29:52] | wagnerrp: | trumee: sure, starting from the initial position... |
| [18:30:04] | wagnerrp: | 'enter down enter m enter' |
| [18:30:21] | wagnerrp: | prepend each of those with 'key' |
| [18:30:32] | markl_: | apparently i can't just make up keys like Red |
| [18:31:23] | wagnerrp: | trumee: obviously that is not a workable solution |
| [18:32:07] | markl_: | do they always have to be regular keystrokes or is there a way to have it use an arbitrary key name? |
| [18:32:46] | markl_: | i.e. how does mythtv know what PgDown is? |
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| [18:33:37] | atrus: | how do i get 0.23.0+fixes24158 to stop suspending pulseaudio? |
| [18:33:51] | Shadow__X: | markl_: it should be based off of your ir remote, so if you do ird in console you will see what the appropriate key is named |
| [18:34:02] | wagnerrp: | markl_: you can redefine what keys do what in mythfrontend through the UI |
| [18:34:02] | atrus: | I have EXPERIMENTALLY_ALLOW_PULSE_AUDIO="1", and that's worked in the past. |
| [18:34:05] | markl_: | i use irw and press the keys |
| [18:34:10] | markl_: | is that different from ird? |
| [18:34:25] | Shadow__X: | markl_: no i think i just forgot what the proper name was |
| [18:34:28] | markl_: | ah ok |
| [18:34:37] | wagnerrp: | atrus: no, that has not worked in the past |
| [18:34:47] | atrus: | yeah, it's worked fine for me. |
| [18:34:51] | wagnerrp: | it has allowed mythtv to attempt to output to pulse, but it has never worked |
| [18:34:53] | markl_: | wagnerrp: well here's what I did, i programmed my mce remote red button with "config = Red" |
| [18:35:02] | wagnerrp: | there have always been problems with doing so |
| [18:35:03] | markl_: | instead of a regular keystroke like config = [ |
| [18:35:09] | atrus: | I'm using ALSA:default or ALSA:pulse |
| [18:35:18] | markl_: | but when i hit the key in the mythtv edit keys interface, it doesn't show up |
| [18:35:39] | atrus: | they've been working fine for months. I just want to stop mythtv from explicitly suspending pulseaudio. |
| [18:35:49] | markl_: | i guess i can make it something really weird like ctrl+alt+r |
| [18:35:55] | wagnerrp: | pulse audio does not respect the ALSA methods for maintaining audio latency |
| [18:36:06] | wagnerrp: | so trying to use pulse's ALSA emulation results in terrible A/V sync |
| [18:36:24] | wagnerrp: | the native pulse audio output suffers from similar problems |
| [18:36:25] | atrus: | been fine here. i'd just like to disable the suspension. is that no longer possible? |
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| [18:36:48] | wagnerrp: | which is why default behavior is simply to suspend pulse, and use alsa directly |
| [18:36:58] | markl_: | but that seems like a hack just because i don't know the right way to do it |
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| [18:37:10] | atrus: | EXPERIMENTALLY_ALLOW_PULSE_AUDIO="1" used to stop mythtv from suspending. is that feature not available any more? |
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| [18:37:27] | wagnerrp: | the environmental variable you speak of only exists as a debug flag to allow people to do development on the output |
| [18:37:44] | atrus: | wagnerrp: does it still exist? or has that stopped working? |
| [18:37:51] | wagnerrp: | it was NEVER a feature, nor was it ever documented or advertised for use by any mythtv dev |
| [18:38:52] | atrus: | every other app on this system that talks to alsa directly for pulseaudio emulation works fine. mythtv worked fine last week. now it doesn't. this makes me sad. |
| [18:39:02] | atrus: | i don't know what changed. |
| [18:39:25] | wagnerrp: | do you pump audio to multiple systems over the network? |
| [18:39:31] | atrus: | no. |
| [18:39:36] | atrus: | why? |
| [18:39:56] | wagnerrp: | do you frequently switch between different outputs? like from speakers to a bluetooth headset? |
| [18:40:05] | atrus: | yes |
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| [18:40:43] | markl_: | doh i set the config to ctrl+alt+r and mythtv thinks it is ctrl+alt+ctrl+alt+r |
| [18:40:45] | atrus: | i know, you're trying to convince me not to use pulseaudio. but the reality is that ubuntu uses pulseaudio for everything, i need it to fit into that, even if i wasn't taking advantage of pulseaudio's other features. |
| [18:41:39] | wagnerrp: | if you werent taking advantage of pulseaudio's (very limited) features, you could just uninstall it and set everything else up to use alsa directly |
| [18:41:41] | atrus: | is there or is there not a way to get mythtv's frontend to stop suspending pulseaudio? |
| [18:41:58] | wagnerrp: | im sure there is, but its only supposed to be used for debugging |
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| [18:43:47] | markl_: | grr it is giving double control on this, weird |
| [18:44:17] | wagnerrp: | atrus: the simple fact is that none of the mythtv devs use pulseaudio, or have any desire to use pulseaudio |
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| [18:44:49] | wagnerrp: | so there is no motivation to fix the problems that pulseaudio has caused by not implementing proper measures for audio latency |
| [18:45:01] | atrus: | okay, how about just using alsa:pulse? you guys don't have to know it's pulseaudio. it'll just work, with apparently slightly bad sync for some people, but not me. |
| [18:45:05] | wagnerrp: | and then getting all the major distros to pick them up for very little perceivable gain |
| [18:45:19] | atrus: | well, there's a reason everybody's picking pulseaudio up. |
| [18:45:30] | wagnerrp: | that said, there is a user who has started looking through the code to improve pulse support in mythtv |
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| [18:48:47] | wagnerrp: | pulseaudio might get interesting if people ever start writing hardware support for it |
| [18:48:59] | wagnerrp: | until then, its just another unnecessary abstraction layer |
| [18:49:25] | wagnerrp: | fulfilling the same purpose as half a dozen other sound servers that have come before |
| [18:49:57] | ** sphery wonders why, when all distros were using aRTSd and ESD, users didn't complain about disabling them ** | |
| [18:50:07] | sphery: | Pulse is just the next generation of those |
| [18:50:34] | wagnerrp: | because the users could disable them, and everything would continue on its merry way with whatever underlying hardware support there was |
| [18:50:42] | sphery: | true |
| [18:50:51] | wagnerrp: | with pulse, the distros seem intent on forcing it, so they disable output support for ALSA |
| [18:51:00] | sphery: | makes sense |
| [18:51:07] | wagnerrp: | so you have to recompile those applications to get them to work with the underlying hardware support |
| [18:52:57] | wagnerrp: | even the pulseaudio devs themselves arent too happy with the widespread use of it |
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| [18:59:41] | ver: | pulse really is a headscratcher |
| [19:00:13] | ver: | it would make a better alsa plugin than a framework i think |
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| [19:01:34] | ver: | at least that way you wouldn't need new AOs just to use it properly, assuming the user wanted to use it at all. |
| [19:01:58] | ver: | which i don't, meaning, since i run ubuntu primarily, i have to recompile /most/ of my audio-output capable apps and libraries.. |
| [19:02:30] | wagnerrp: | ver: pulseaudio provides ALSA emulation for those applications that have not been rewritten to support pulse directly |
| [19:02:45] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that it is incomplete |
| [19:02:54] | ver: | it isn't properly implemented |
| [19:03:15] | ver: | but more to the point, if i delete libpulse.so, it literally breaks my programs |
| [19:03:24] | ver: | despite having an otherwise working ALSA setup |
| [19:03:32] | ver: | even without such emulation in use |
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| [19:18:02] | monsterb: | hello all. |
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| [19:19:10] | monsterb: | Im thinking about buying a Nvidia ION w/hdmi .. sound and everything work w/hdmi cable? |
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| [19:20:14] | wagnerrp: | sound and video only |
| [19:20:23] | wagnerrp: | nothing fancy like ethernet, remote control, etc... |
| [19:21:08] | monsterb: | sound / video hdmi... cool. I was afraid it wasn't supported w/ linux. |
| [19:22:04] | wagnerrp: | it depends more on the board, and whether it supports routing audio through the video card |
| [19:22:10] | wagnerrp: | i dont know off hand which ones do or dont |
| [19:22:38] | monsterb: | http://www.zotacusa.com/zotac-mag-hd-nd01.html <-- i was looking at this. |
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| [19:26:07] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: there was a problem with mythtv .22 (when it was trunk) that i believe mythtranscode did not work is that still the case? i think it had something to do with commflagging or am i mistaken |
| [19:26:57] | wagnerrp: | there have been some videos ive come across that mythtranscode has choked on |
| [19:27:04] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if any of that has ever been fixed |
| [19:27:14] | markl_: | can mythtv handle dvd's with multiple camera angles? |
| [19:29:16] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro: has the previous issue with what i believe to be mythtranscode or possible mythcommflag in relation to recordings from the hd-pvr been fixed? |
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| [19:29:44] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X, huh? |
| [19:29:53] | kdas: | hey all |
| [19:30:04] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X, It doesn't sound like you even know what the issue would be, so I couldn't speculate on whether it was fixed |
| [19:31:14] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro: right around mythtv release .22 there was an issue with recordings that came from the hd-pvr where if my memory serves me you were unable to transcode your recordings is that fixed |
| [19:31:24] | kdas: | i been hacking away for days now trying to get my comcast channels in right. I followed the scte65scan wiki and have had no luck. When i save the scte65scan as a channels.conf and import through myth i get tons of conflicting channels. Please help. Is there a way to have this all automagic like in sagetv or do i have to manually do it? |
| [19:31:41] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X, The only possible thing you could be referring to is that you can't lossless transcode H.264, which is what the Hd-PVR puts out |
| [19:31:58] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X, But you never have been able to, it's not a bug or an issue, it's functionality nobody has ever written |
| [19:32:17] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X, Mythcommflag and lossy transcodes with mythtranscode have always worked just fine |
| [19:32:34] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro: oh ok sorry about the nonsense i said earlier. i was trying to remember what the issue was |
| [19:32:48] | kdas: | :( |
| [19:32:57] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro: thank you |
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| [19:33:16] | iamlindoro: | kdas, You are not supposed to create a channels.conf |
| [19:33:29] | iamlindoro: | kdas, scte65scan outputs its own myth-native sql inserts |
| [19:34:01] | kdas: | iamlindoro: i did the sql thingy but when i did the mysql -u mythtv -p < file.sql nothing changed for me in my mythsetup |
| [19:34:19] | iamlindoro: | kdas, Then you didn't scan with an existing video source number |
| [19:34:35] | iamlindoro: | you need a *fresh* video source, you need to know the number of that source, and you need to use it when doing the scan |
| [19:34:48] | iamlindoro: | you can just munge it into an existing DB |
| [19:34:49] | Shadow__X: | kdas: i would recommend reading the help menu of scte65scan because if you read it correctly it will properly insert the channel info |
| [19:35:38] | kdas: | iamlindoro: i set up a video source named it "BLAH" and then i did a scte65scan which uses sourceid 1 which to means the 1st source id and since i have only one video source that should be it right? |
| [19:35:45] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [19:35:59] | iamlindoro: | You are making all sorts of assumptions |
| [19:36:18] | iamlindoro: | Delete all video sources (use the actual "delete all video sources" option |
| [19:36:22] | iamlindoro: | create a fresh one |
| [19:36:27] | iamlindoro: | check the DB to see which number it is |
| [19:36:51] | iamlindoro: | use that when scanning, AFTER having read both the --help output and the two readmes that come with the scte65scan source |
| [19:37:00] | sphery: | to get a fresh video source without garbage, use the video sources portion of: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [19:37:18] | sphery: | which is what iamlindoro already said... |
| [19:37:18] | sphery: | nvm |
| [19:37:34] | iamlindoro: | heh, naw, your reference is probably much more complete |
| [19:37:42] | kdas: | iamlindoro: i read all thos documents but i was under the impression the only video source i have is the source id 1 |
| [19:38:02] | kdas: | iamlindoro: how do i find the source id in DB can i do that via mythweb? |
| [19:38:14] | monsterb: | wagnerrp, thanks for info. laterz |
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| [19:38:28] | iamlindoro: | *If* you follow sphery's advice to TOTALLY clear out your video sources, the one you create will be 1 |
| [19:38:42] | iamlindoro: | But your outcome indicates you have not yet done so |
| [19:38:54] | kdas: | iamlindoro: i have done that |
| [19:39:02] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [19:39:06] | iamlindoro: | K, good luck |
| [19:39:07] | kdas: | iamlindoro: i pressed the delete all video sources then created a new one |
| [19:39:17] | kdas: | iamlindoro: thats correct no? |
| [19:41:38] | ** wagnerrp rewrites event handling in the python bindings for the fourth time ** | |
| [19:43:25] | kdas: | iamlindoro, sphery: i pressed the delete all video sources and then created a new one so this should be the 1st source id then i run "./scte65scan -f3 -V 3066 us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256 > vct.sql" then mysql -user mythtv -p < vct.sql and then goto input-connections and change it to use the newly created video source but i see no channels. What am i doing wrong ? |
| [19:43:26] | dserban: | ver, are you in canada? |
| [19:43:36] | ver: | dserban, dan serban!? |
| [19:44:57] | dserban: | :o |
| [19:45:03] | dserban: | shh |
| [19:45:08] | dserban: | don't tell anyone my last name |
| [19:45:27] | ver: | it's okay, we're both daniels, so that makes us brothers. |
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| [19:46:31] | kdas: | I press the delete all video sources and then created a new one so this should be the 1st source id then i run "./scte65scan -f3 -V 3066 us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256 > vct.sql" then mysql -user mythtv -p < vct.sql and then goto input-connections and change it to use the newly created video source but i see no channels. What am i doing? |
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| [19:57:54] | kdas: | What am i doing wrong ? |
| [19:57:57] | kdas: | * |
| [20:11:06] | dserban: | kdas, I would suggest stopping what you're doing and restarting from scratch. Though I have no idea what you're running up against in your above question, obviously something went wrong somewhere. |
| [20:11:48] | dserban: | not being an ass, I just find that if I try more than once, it generally speaks to me. Myth is like that. Like a unicorn, in a meadow .... with diamonds. |
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| [20:12:21] | wagnerrp: | you see unicorns that talk to you? |
| [20:12:34] | dserban: | Don't you? |
| [20:12:45] | ** wagnerrp needs to remember to avoid dserban ** | |
| [20:13:03] | ** dserban climbs his pony ** | |
| [20:13:07] | sphery: | someone's been playing too much Peggle |
| [20:13:42] | dserban: | Peggle? |
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| [20:15:33] | dserban: | wow peggle looks neat |
| [20:17:05] | dserban: | I just discovered world of goo... i should try getting it to work under myth ... with the wiimote |
| [20:19:03] | wagnerrp: | the wiimote is too slow for world of goo |
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| [20:19:51] | dserban: | oh? isn't the wii where it was first released? |
| [20:20:47] | wagnerrp: | perhaps, i still say its a bad idea |
| [20:20:51] | kdas: | dserban, did just that and now it works :D but i am not getting all the channels which is strange |
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| [20:21:39] | kdas: | dserban, i did a full scan with scte65scan and got a list of the different VID etc but none have syfy HD or bravo HD which i know i have |
| [20:22:11] | dserban: | wagnerrp, have you tried it on a wii? (I haven't, why I'm asking) |
| [20:22:38] | wagnerrp: | no, but ive played wii games, and used the wiimote, and know it doesnt hold a candle to a decent mouse |
| [20:23:02] | Shadow__X: | kdas: just because you have channels on your stb does not mean you will have it through clearqam |
| [20:24:09] | Shadow__X: | kdas: use this as an idea of what channels you should be getting http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels_us |
| [20:26:13] | kdas: | Shadow__X: i know what channels i should be getting when i do a full scan or look at the lineup on ScheDirect I see and i have, when i did the full scan, gotten i know for a fact bravo HD but scte65scan ant catching that for some reason |
| [20:28:33] | Shadow__X: | kdas: look at how it is being broadcast for example the channels that were for example hrc i had to scan for manually this could be happening to you |
| [20:28:46] | Shadow__X: | but there might be a better way to accomplish that then 2what i did |
| [20:28:51] | Shadow__X: | i am sure there is a better way |
| [20:29:33] | kdas: | can i scan ontop of my current setup for the missing channels and then manually place them where they go ? |
| [20:29:44] | kdas: | Shadow__X: because there is not that many HD channels of clear qam |
| [20:30:27] | Shadow__X: | kdas: i am unsure what you should do because the way i did it took me hours to figure out so i do not think i should make suggestiosn for that |
| [20:32:16] | kdas: | Shadow__X: haha i understand but i think i only have 5–10 HD channels so should not be a problem. I can just do a scan ontop of my already nice list and it will update it or will it be a mess? |
| [20:32:38] | kdas: | Shadow__X: like is there a "scan for new channels that i dont already got" buttong hahah |
| [20:35:39] | Shadow__X: | kdas: you can try that but it may mess up your previous list. if you want try it but just make sure you remember how to start all over with your current channel source |
| [20:36:41] | kdas: | sigh |
| [20:36:42] | kdas: | ok |
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| [20:37:39] | Shadow__X: | kdas: honestly even if you mess up your source list since you only have a small amount of channels it shouldnt be hard to replicate. |
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| [21:00:00] | Tanthrix2: | When setting up a slave backend, does anything need to be done on the master backend, apart from allowing db access and all that? |
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| [21:08:20] | Tanthrix2: | I just moved my HD-PVR from my working BE/FE system to a new box that was previously a FE. It will now be a FE and slave backend. |
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| [21:08:56] | Tanthrix2: | From the FE/slave backend, I can see and playback files from the old backend with ease, and all the communication stuff seems to be fine. |
| [21:09:26] | Tanthrix2: | But attempting to watch TV yields all recording inputs in use despite no recordings. |
| [21:09:55] | Tanthrix2: | (And I have verified that my HD-PVR is working fine via mplayer, and all that jazz. It's also setup properly in mythtv-setup.) |
| [21:10:05] | Tanthrix2: | Anything in the whole slave backend process that I'm glossing over? |
| [21:11:12] | jpabq: | So, you removed the HD-PVR in mythtv-setup on the master, and then added it in mythtv-setup on the slave? |
| [21:11:47] | Tanthrix2: | OK, I suck. ;-) |
| [21:11:53] | Tanthrix2: | Didn't do the first part. Now it works fine. |
| [21:12:18] | jpabq: | cool |
| [21:12:21] | Tanthrix2: | Thanks, glad it was something simple. |
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| [21:33:44] | Beirdo2: | Ok. Looks like I will have a permanent address as of monday |
| [21:37:28] | Shadow__X: | Beirdo2: congrats |
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| [22:07:11] | esperegu: | how can I get dvb-t signal quality/strength on screen so I can find best location for antenna? |
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| [22:13:24] | SirColin: | good question i thought it was not possible until you have configured the tuner |
| [22:13:52] | [R]: | the command line dvb apps have signal strenght i belive |
| [22:14:00] | wagnerrp: | femon |
| [22:16:56] | esperegu: | I have picture. but it's hard to get it stable. |
| [22:17:18] | esperegu: | So that's why signal strength on screen would be tood |
| [22:17:20] | esperegu: | good |
| [22:17:51] | [R]: | well you put myth on the screen, and a console with femon ontop |
| [22:18:20] | wagnerrp: | if you have myth running, just use the 'f7' signal monitor |
| [22:19:11] | Beowulf: | Hey I need a little direction on where to start looking to solve a problem. I have a solid working MyhtTV setup, but I have some .avi files that have no soundwith the internal player, but with VLC play just fine and I get sound. I am using digital audio through an HDMI cable. Any idea where to begin to look to solve this? |
| [22:21:18] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: is there another way to get that besides 'f7' ? |
| [22:27:31] | skd5aner: | esperegu: change the binding? |
| [22:28:56] | [R]: | omg, why does the metadata lie |
| [22:29:03] | [R]: | RDA what NOT that in that episode of stargate |
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| [22:31:52] | esperegu: | skd5aner: how? |
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| [22:38:01] | skd5aner: | esperegu: in mythfrontend, settings, controls |
| [22:38:10] | skd5aner: | or something like that, don't have it memorized |
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| [22:39:33] | [R]: | its called edit keys |
| [22:40:25] | skd5aner: | thanks |
| [22:41:04] | skd5aner: | esperegu: you can also do it in mythweb, but that's discouraged because it doesn't prevent you from making mistakes |
| [22:41:15] | wagnerrp: | [R]: what episode? |
| [22:41:42] | [R]: | wagnerrp: some random season 10 episode that most certainly did NOT have rda |
| [22:42:03] | wagnerrp: | yeah, he was only in a couple of S10 |
| [22:42:46] | [R]: | i think its just generic cast metadata |
| [22:45:05] | esperegu: | skd5aner: Yeah. I tried mythweb. but somehow I don't see a change. Maybe it's because linuxmce is overruling or something |
| [22:45:42] | wagnerrp: | esperegu: linuxmce is a heavily hacked up, old version of mythtv |
| [22:45:58] | wagnerrp: | its likely very little of the advice you will receive in here is applicable to linuxmce |
| [22:47:33] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: to bad. linuxmce rulez. maybe mythtv could be adapted that they don't need so many hacks ;-). since myth is also awesome and together... wowie ;-) |
| [22:48:19] | mzb: | SIGNALMON == Alt+F7 here |
| [22:48:31] | wagnerrp: | mzb: hes not using mythtv |
| [22:48:53] | mzb: | ah ok |
| [22:49:13] | esperegu: | alt-f7 gives me lmce menu ;-) |
| [22:49:15] | mzb: | signal mon doesn't seem to do anything anyway |
| [22:49:27] | mzb: | (for me) |
| [22:49:29] | esperegu: | not? hmm |
| [22:50:22] | wagnerrp: | esperegu: as mentioned, youre using a heavily modified program, formerly known as mythtv |
| [22:50:34] | wagnerrp: | you are using a completely independent fork |
| [22:50:58] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: yeah. to bad that is necesary |
| [22:51:29] | mzb: | and ancient? |
| [22:51:56] | wagnerrp: | last i heard they were using some blend of 0.20, with the schedulesdirect stuff manually pached in |
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| [22:52:27] | [R]: | sounds pretty awesome |
| [22:53:55] | wagnerrp: | nothing against linuxmce, my point is just that it and mythtv are fairly diverged, and someone who knows how to use one, may not be able to assist someone using another |
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| [23:44:58] | dmb: | is there a reason why the listings wouldn't be updating? |
| [23:45:13] | [R]: | mythfilldatabase isn't running? |
| [23:45:41] | dmb: | guess not |
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| [23:46:03] | dmb: | [R]: isn't that supposed to run automaticaly? |
| [23:46:09] | [R]: | if you tell it to |
| [23:46:47] | dmb: | how do you tell it to? |
| [23:47:35] | [R]: | what versino of myth are you using |
| [23:48:51] | dmb: | .22 |
| [23:49:20] | [R]: | its in hte frontend settings |
| [23:53:19] | dmb: | [R]: i just looked, don't seem to see it, unless i missed it |
| [23:53:55] | [R]: | you missed it |
| [23:54:20] | dmb: | found it |
| [23:58:37] | dmb: | [R]: you were right, thanks |
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