| Thursday, April 22nd, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:42] | sphery: | cool |
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| [00:01:49] | wagnerrp: | bookmark is a boolean? |
| [00:02:26] | wagnerrp: | hold on... isnt this one of the feature requests? |
| [00:03:03] | wagnerrp: | indeed it is |
| [00:04:06] | sphery: | bookmarks will become markup |
| [00:04:11] | sphery: | inside recordedmarkup |
| [00:04:24] | sphery: | and there will be a default bookmark (like current) and other user-nameable ones |
| [00:04:50] | wagnerrp: | now? or some future refactor? |
| [00:05:18] | sphery: | and previews for each bookmark and a Play from bookmark that allows you to select Default or Select... and then see images of each |
| [00:05:20] | sphery: | future |
| [00:05:22] | sphery: | it's on my todo |
| [00:07:44] | fixxxermet: | What could cause me to get a "failed to configure plugin mythvideo" error on my frontend? |
| [00:08:11] | wagnerrp: | check your frontend logs |
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| [00:12:48] | fixxxermet: | hmm. didn't know my frontend mysql user needed create privilges on the db |
| [00:14:17] | wagnerrp: | if you want to update the schema, it needs the ability to make those changes |
| [00:14:55] | wagnerrp: | although i dont much understand the purpose of trying to secure mysql when you can simply ask the backend what its login is |
| [00:15:36] | wagnerrp: | assuming you have actually set secure permissions on that file |
| [00:16:03] | fixxxermet: | Good point |
| [00:16:13] | fixxxermet: | I've got everything in a read only jail. oh well |
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| [00:16:33] | wagnerrp: | basically, mythtv itself has a long way to go before mysql permissions become low hanging fruit |
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| [00:24:25] | wagnerrp: | bah... integer math |
| [00:24:52] | wagnerrp: | the framerate comes out to... exactly 29fps? that cant be right can it? |
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| [00:27:08] | ExElNeT: | heya. somehow my mythfrontend wont connect to the correct mythbackend server. the database ist located at 192.168.0.104 but when i click on tv i tried to connect to 127.0.0.1 |
| [00:27:37] | fixxxermet: | Wierd. minimyth keeps locking up at various stages. This time at configuring network interfae. |
| [00:27:58] | kormoc: | ExElNeT: re-run mythtv-setup and change the backend up from 127.0.0.1 to 192.168.0.104 |
| [00:28:21] | ExElNeT: | kormoc: on the server? |
| [00:28:24] | kormoc: | fixxxermet: a little hard to write the dhcp lease information to a readonly jail |
| [00:28:25] | kormoc: | ExElNeT: yes |
| [00:28:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp: my laziness won out... Your approach was perfect. |
| [00:28:43] | sphery: | I'll link you the wiki page as soon as it's up |
| [00:28:46] | fixxxermet: | kormoc: It's made it past this before. |
| [00:28:49] | sphery: | kormoc: ... you're here! |
| [00:28:58] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, I have eaten a profound amount of bacon in the past two days, I thought of you |
| [00:29:03] | fixxxermet: | And I was wrong, the jail isn't read only – sorry |
| [00:29:06] | sphery: | kormoc: can I get you to verify a SQL snippet for me--just look for big blunders |
| [00:29:10] | kormoc: | sphery: sure! |
| [00:29:24] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: I'm touched... in my fat filled heart |
| [00:29:29] | iamlindoro: | ha |
| [00:31:42] | sphery: | kormoc: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/fVAymRpr |
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| [00:32:12] | wagnerrp: | sphery: whats that? |
| [00:32:32] | sphery: | kormoc: basically, I have 50 lines of C code to do that or can do that with just about 6 lines if it's just SQL... figured the SQL was better |
| [00:33:01] | kormoc: | looks good to me |
| [00:33:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: have a patch that removes System Exit Key setting. System Exit Key should be--wait for it--a /keybinding/, believe it or not |
| [00:33:27] | wagnerrp: | my approach? |
| [00:33:44] | ExElNeT: | kormoc: worked, thanks |
| [00:33:44] | sphery: | kormoc: so shouldn't destroy anyone's keybindings or settings tables? |
| [00:34:10] | kormoc: | sphery: might want to put a limit 1 on the subselect, but that's bout it |
| [00:34:31] | sphery: | kormoc: so after the WHERE? |
| [00:34:37] | kormoc: | sphery: yup |
| [00:34:51] | kormoc: | that'll fix anyone who muched about and made it non-unique for whatever twisted reason |
| [00:35:00] | nutron: | sphery: in between 'AllowQuitShutdown' and the ) |
| [00:35:41] | ** nutron becomes quiet :s. ** | |
| [00:35:46] | ** wagnerrp is confused as to how he had any hand in anything that is going on... ** | |
| [00:35:58] | sphery: | kormoc / nutron : thanks |
| [00:35:59] | nutron: | I just realized you already knew that |
| [00:36:29] | nutron: | wagnerrp: what's going on? |
| [00:36:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: this idea: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2010 . . . -22:20:44:10 |
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| [00:40:48] | sphery: | kormoc: works great, thanks |
| [00:41:12] | kormoc: | snaz |
| [00:41:17] | kormoc: | and with that, *poof*! |
| [00:41:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: oh, I meant your approach for the tkremote |
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| [00:41:22] | sphery: | I got all confused |
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| [00:43:01] | nutron: | :o kormoc_afk lives in the Seattle area... hmmm close to me |
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| [00:57:05] | bkupbk: | just got mythweb working, very impressive. I noticed I don't get sound from clips unless I use vlc, totem needs a gstreamer plugin, I would assume. Anyone know which one? |
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| [01:07:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: your approach: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/tkmythremote |
| [01:08:41] | wagnerrp: | is that being compiled on-the-fly by the widget? |
| [01:09:01] | sphery: | it's an ASCII XBM |
| [01:09:04] | wagnerrp: | if so, thats quite funky |
| [01:09:17] | sphery: | or you mean the script? it's interpreted, it seems |
| [01:09:26] | wagnerrp: | no, i mean the image format |
| [01:09:31] | wagnerrp: | XBM? |
| [01:09:34] | sphery: | yeah, that's the contents of the file |
| [01:09:48] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_BitMap |
| [01:09:59] | wagnerrp: | 'stored as a C language data array'.... funky |
| [01:10:05] | sphery: | it uses 7 bits per byte to store the data |
| [01:10:18] | sphery: | yeah, low-level, early X thing |
| [01:10:56] | wagnerrp: | i rewrote that setbookmark |
| [01:11:00] | sphery: | nice |
| [01:11:01] | sphery: | :) |
| [01:11:17] | sphery: | wow, glad I didn't call it setbookmark.pl :) |
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| [01:13:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: for real, though, if you do rewrite some of the ugly perl ones into python, feel free to just make a new page and ready-for-deletion the old one |
| [01:13:48] | sphery: | ugly perl ones that are called <whatever>.pl |
| [01:15:06] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if 'Script – RemoveCommercials' should be deleted |
| [01:15:26] | wagnerrp: | 'if us devs dont trust the commflagger to make this built-in behavior, you shouldnt either' |
| [01:18:12] | sphery: | definitely deserves a warning... I'd leave it up, though |
| [01:18:20] | sphery: | warning box, probably |
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| [01:20:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: one for you: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/mythremctl.py |
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| [01:23:31] | wagnerrp: | that reminds me, i need to get back to the backend version of that |
| [01:24:17] | wagnerrp: | that reminds me, i need to get back to backend message support in the bindings to put into the backend version of that |
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| [01:27:37] | sphery: | does mythremctl.py use your bindings support for frontend socket talk? |
| [01:27:44] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [01:27:53] | sphery: | cool |
| [01:28:09] | wagnerrp: | what limited support there is anyway |
| [01:28:12] | sphery: | seems /much/ more polished than the tk one (more functionality) |
| [01:28:24] | wagnerrp: | the Frontend class is fairly simple |
| [01:28:46] | wagnerrp: | sphery: but the tk one provides a gui |
| [01:28:51] | wagnerrp: | instead of curses in a terminal |
| [01:30:38] | nutron: | oo oo what *.pl files are being deleted? |
| [01:30:43] | wagnerrp: | none |
| [01:30:56] | wagnerrp: | theyre being shifted onto the wiki |
| [01:30:57] | nutron: | k |
| [01:31:25] | wagnerrp: | and im rewriting one or two half-functional ones that did not use the perl bindings |
| [01:31:30] | nutron: | Oh I knew that, just read sphery's comments above about rewriting some of the ugly ones :) |
| [01:31:46] | nutron: | k I see. |
| [01:32:02] | wagnerrp: | for instance setbookmark.pl, which didnt use the bindings, nor did it even read in mysql.txt/config.xml |
| [01:32:11] | wagnerrp: | it stored the database settings internally |
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| [01:34:03] | nutron: | gross |
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| [01:35:59] | sphery: | there are actually quite a few scripts that have the hard-coded settings. |
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| [01:36:08] | ScJoL: | anyone available to help with a firewire connection? STB can communicate fine with my Mac, but firewire_tester on linux fails with both p2p and broadcast. |
| [01:39:32] | nutron: | sphery: where are you moving the scripts to? I'm looking in Category:Scripts.. am I missing something? |
| [01:39:41] | wagnerrp: | thats the right place |
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| [01:44:24] | wagnerrp: | any suggested template for 'bad' scripts that dont use the bindings? |
| [01:47:08] | wagnerrp: | maybe {{Todo box}}? |
| [01:51:39] | nutron: | I'd like to modify some of the scripts that are still useful as examples on how to bind to the perl interface. I think a TODO would work. |
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| [01:55:22] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Myplayer-rar.pl ...delete? |
| [01:58:55] | Shadow__X: | ScJoL: make sure the stb is on a channel that needs to be clear such as local broadcasts then try again. also nothing gaurantees a reliable connection there are alot of variables in play |
| [01:59:17] | ScJoL: | yes – its on a channel that I can see on my mac with AVCBrowser no problem |
| [02:01:15] | Shadow__X: | ScJoL: make sure you are using the script correctly |
| [02:02:04] | ScJoL: | i've tried firewire_tester -p, -B, -b, all the combinations I can think. anything specific I can look for or try? |
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| [02:04:01] | sphery: | ah, contrib is getting so clean!! |
| [02:04:01] | Shadow__X: | ScJoL: i would look at the help menu because it seems like you are not using it correctly |
| [02:04:35] | ScJoL: | help menu in mythtv? I haven't tried setting it up within myth yet – just trying to get it detected, per the mythtv wiki page |
| [02:04:50] | wagnerrp: | sphery: can you think of any legitimate reason why someone would have their videos in rars? |
| [02:04:58] | sphery: | no |
| [02:05:22] | sphery: | isn't that just something the arggg! crowd does to allow them to break up big files into small pieces? |
| [02:05:39] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [02:05:46] | wagnerrp: | ok, leaving page as ready for deletion |
| [02:09:15] | sphery: | nutron: As for the perl scripts that /are/ using the bindings, there's http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl (still in contrib at contrib/user_jobs/mythlink.pl , but documented on the wiki), http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_recent_recordings.pl , http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_upcoming_recordings.pl as well as contrib scripts, contrib/maintenance/flush_deleted_recgroup.pl , contrib/maintenance/optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [02:09:22] | sphery: | nutron: I think that may be all we have |
| [02:09:45] | wagnerrp: | sphery: and everything in Category:Perl_Scripts |
| [02:09:56] | Shadow__X: | ScJoL: run firewire tester without any args and read what it says it required |
| [02:10:00] | sphery: | I think a lot of them aren't using the bindings |
| [02:10:03] | sphery: | they're just hacks |
| [02:10:09] | wagnerrp: | i just made that category |
| [02:10:15] | wagnerrp: | and only putting stuff that uses the bindings in there |
| [02:10:18] | sphery: | oh, maybe not |
| [02:10:21] | sphery: | yeahb |
| [02:10:21] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [02:10:25] | sphery: | I just noticed that |
| [02:10:42] | ScJoL: | yes – I've read it. Maybe I'm missing something. |
| [02:10:44] | sphery: | thanks, btw |
| [02:10:53] | ScJoL: | I do a -R (reset) and it says "Bus reset succeeded" |
| [02:10:55] | sphery: | that's cool--and goes along with the python scripts one |
| [02:10:56] | wagnerrp: | and marking everything else that accesses the database and have work to do |
| [02:11:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah, im going to clean out that one next |
| [02:11:11] | sphery: | did you make a box for TODO |
| [02:11:12] | ScJoL: | plugreport shows Host Adapter 0, Node 0 as present |
| [02:11:16] | wagnerrp: | there are some old ones in there not using the bindings |
| [02:11:26] | wagnerrp: | no, its just a fairly unused template i found |
| [02:13:43] | Shadow__X: | ScJoL: yes you are missing something try firewire tester -B -n 0 -r 5 |
| [02:14:10] | wagnerrp: | this is wrong on some many levels.... http://www.tux.org/~peterw/linux/pdatranscode.pl.txt |
| [02:14:22] | ScJoL: | I have tried that |
| [02:15:07] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im going to have to make a 'FAIL' template for that one |
| [02:15:08] | Shadow__X: | ScJoL: and what happens |
| [02:15:15] | sphery: | heh |
| [02:15:18] | wagnerrp: | not only does it not use the bindings |
| [02:15:26] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt even use the mysql library |
| [02:15:42] | sphery: | it's in the wiki? |
| [02:15:48] | ScJoL: | well, typically it has said Failed each time – although right now it is working for the first time |
| [02:15:56] | wagnerrp: | it builds the query string, and then feeds it to the mysql executable |
| [02:16:09] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Pdatranscode.pl |
| [02:16:29] | sphery: | yeah, that's like the original mythlink.sh (which was probably used as the "template" for that script |
| [02:16:50] | Shadow__X: | ScJoL: well glad to hear its working |
| [02:16:52] | wagnerrp: | you would expect that from a bash script, you would have to do that from a bash script |
| [02:16:56] | wagnerrp: | but this is perl |
| [02:17:02] | sphery: | I'm trying to decide if I should add http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4599 . MrGandalf isn't around (haven't seen him in a long while). |
| [02:17:16] | sphery: | don't think he had much interest in changing it to use the bindings. |
| [02:17:31] | wagnerrp: | if you do that in perl, you get slapped, and your internet privileges taken away, lest your fail exude onto the rest of us |
| [02:17:43] | sphery: | I think since it's basically another find orphans script, I'm not adding it |
| [02:17:46] | sphery: | since all those must die |
| [02:18:04] | sphery: | just wanted to make sure it wasn't an open ticket, more than anything |
| [02:18:24] | wagnerrp: | what picture should i use? |
| [02:18:39] | sphery: | for FAIL? really? |
| [02:18:42] | wagnerrp: | fail whale? |
| [02:18:49] | sphery: | hilarious, yeah |
| [02:19:33] | sphery: | is that really just a Twitter thing? |
| [02:19:38] | wagnerrp: | dont know |
| [02:20:11] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fail_whale#Outages |
| [02:20:13] | sphery: | seems it is |
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| [02:26:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: do you use firewire? |
| [02:26:35] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [02:26:39] | ** wagnerrp is pleased with his work ** | |
| [02:26:57] | sphery: | ok, just wondering if I can get away with moving firewire_tester.c to the wiki |
| [02:28:26] | Shadow__X: | sphery: i use it if it helps any |
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| [02:31:27] | bunder: | i have a comflag job in the queue that appears to be jammed because my power went out, how do i remove the job from the queue forcefully? |
| [02:31:42] | sphery: | wagnerrp: thank you for taking those wiki scripts out of Python Scripts |
| [02:31:48] | sphery: | they were very confusing in there |
| [02:32:13] | Beirdo: | ugh |
| [02:32:20] | Beirdo: | whazzup? |
| [02:32:22] | sphery: | Shadow__X: so do you use firewire_tester.c? Is it something all firewire users have to use? |
| [02:32:46] | [R]: | so i had some files named weird... and i renamed them... but because of the hashing in 0.23, myth still thinks they are named weird, and i can't use the 'download metadata'... how can i "fix" this? |
| [02:32:48] | sphery: | Beirdo_North is here! |
| [02:32:49] | wagnerrp: | hey Beirdo, http://mythtv.org/wiki/Pdatranscode.pl |
| [02:33:46] | wagnerrp: | i think that is singularly worse than anything, anyone could have possible done in a bash script |
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| [02:34:00] | Beirdo: | I like the "FAIL" notation |
| [02:34:01] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:34:10] | Beirdo: | and why not use nuvexport? |
| [02:34:28] | wagnerrp: | why not use MythTV, or at the very least DBI |
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| [02:35:04] | Shadow__X: | sphery: yes i use firewire_tester.c and to my understanding most if not all firewire users have to use it atleast once. I have to use it if i reboot the be server or when sometimes the stb needs to be rebooted. So i have to use it routinely atleast once a month but i am unsure if others have to use it as much if not more |
| [02:35:08] | Beirdo: | yeah, that too |
| [02:35:59] | Beirdo: | need... motivation... |
| [02:36:25] | Beirdo: | I'm just not sure which of my many projects to toy with tonight |
| [02:38:10] | sphery: | Shadow__X: so if we're currently moving contributed scripts to the wiki so they're no longer seen as "official", does it belong in MythTV contrib or in the wiki? |
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| [02:41:28] | bkupbk: | wow, really like mythweb. :) |
| [02:43:01] | nutron: | sphery: sorry I was afk, yeah I saw the ones you pointed out. I'd like to also write a status script to automate tasks using the bindings. It would sure make my back end server smarter (turn on/off stb's, check power status etc) |
| [02:44:04] | nutron: | The feeling I get from the current perl bindings is that they're quite low level as you stated sphery as opposed to the python ones. I think i'll be tearing them a new one, complete rewrite :( |
| [02:44:20] | nutron: | I'm done installing the vm, so now it's time to compile svn \o/ |
| [02:45:36] | Beirdo: | nutron: you want to rewrite em? |
| [02:45:57] | nutron: | Beirdo: yeah, make 'em the same level as the python bindings |
| [02:46:10] | Beirdo: | please make sure that you do not destroy the current functionality in the process :) |
| [02:46:32] | Beirdo: | I have that on my list to do, but feel free to get a start at it |
| [02:46:54] | nutron: | I will test existing scripts and if there's a lot of breakage, I can always make a compatibility module |
| [02:47:21] | nutron: | Beirdo: oh well I don't want to duplicate work, it's something I was told was sorely needed. |
| [02:47:24] | Beirdo: | well, nuvexport is the main consumer right now, and we certainly need it to stay working :) |
| [02:47:27] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:47:35] | nutron: | If that's your area I'm willing to step back. |
| [02:47:41] | Beirdo: | no no, if you want to work it, go ahead |
| [02:47:56] | wagnerrp: | nutron: for 0.23 with the bindings, i ended up just replacing most of the old methods as wrappers around the new stuff |
| [02:47:57] | nutron: | someone on here told me nuvexport was busted as well? |
| [02:47:59] | Beirdo: | my list is 5 miles long, you are welcome to take a good stab at it :) |
| [02:48:20] | Beirdo: | if nuvexport is busted, there should be bug reports in trac for it |
| [02:48:20] | wagnerrp: | and subsequently removed them for 0.24 in trunk |
| [02:48:46] | Beirdo: | if it's not in trac, it won't be getting fixed until I (or someone else) stumbles across the bug |
| [02:48:53] | wagnerrp: | there were a handful of methods i could not properly duplicate |
| [02:49:00] | wagnerrp: | but i never saw any complaints or bug reports |
| [02:49:26] | nutron: | Beirdo: heh, well I've been asking for tasks for a while. Though the community in myth seems to be quite well structured and being a noob to the devel side I don't want to step on anyone's toes or infringe on something that's already been decided to be rewritten/designed etc. |
| [02:49:45] | Beirdo: | no no.. you are welcome to work on the perl bindings :) |
| [02:49:46] | nutron: | wagnerrp: yeah wrapper calls sound like the perfect method. |
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| [02:50:20] | Beirdo: | if you have questions on the nuvexport side (as it will be a consumer of the bindings), let me know |
| [02:50:49] | wagnerrp: | didnt most of the perl bindings code get cut off from nuvexport anyway? |
| [02:50:56] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [02:50:58] | Beirdo: | carved out |
| [02:51:04] | nutron: | Beirdo: thanks appreciate it, I'm just about to set up the dummy tuner so I can test things. |
| [02:51:15] | Beirdo: | but the corresponding code is still in nuvexport, and that's on my cleanup list |
| [02:51:39] | Beirdo: | so if nutron's working the bindings, I'll work with him (I'm assuming him) and update nuvexport along with |
| [02:52:06] | Beirdo: | I'm happy with having one more thing at least partially pulled off my list :) |
| [02:52:28] | nutron: | heh I know the feeling. |
| [02:52:48] | nutron: | Yeah it's a him :P |
| [02:53:15] | Beirdo: | k. |
| [02:53:41] | Beirdo: | I'm probably not going to be around during the workday much (in Seattle), but evenings, I should be here |
| [02:54:16] | nutron: | Beirdo: i'm 6 hours drive away from ya same timezone at least |
| [02:54:27] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [02:57:23] | nutron: | otherwise I'll work on bindings |
| [02:57:35] | wagnerrp: | to be fair, it looks like the python bindings just provide a lot more canned database access than the perl |
| [02:57:58] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: no need to apologize--it was a valid concern (and there was a lot to read) |
| [02:58:29] | Shadow__X: | sphery: i am not entirely too sure. i suppose on the wiki but i would make sure with people that know more about its position than i |
| [02:58:35] | Beirdo: | well, I'm not opposed to that :) |
| [02:59:21] | sphery: | Shadow__X: cool... I know nothing of the script, so I wondered what firewire users thought. |
| [02:59:24] | wagnerrp: | although one thing im a bit concerned about, the recording path creation in the python bindings (for mythfs) is supposed to duplicate that in the perl bindings (for mythlink) |
| [02:59:46] | wagnerrp: | but the perl code is well over 200 lines, while the matching code in python is only 30 |
| [03:00:10] | wagnerrp: | just wondering if im missing something |
| [03:00:17] | sphery: | nutron: Great to hear! Feel free to ask for help as you go. |
| [03:00:54] | Shadow__X: | sphery: i personally think that aslong as the wiki has a link as to where i could download it and gives a short description than it would be fine. in my opinion it doesnt have to come with myth.i could very easily go out and download it and compile it like i have already done |
| [03:01:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the Python bindings have a lot more structures for dealing with (and interpreting) the raw data, though |
| [03:01:31] | wagnerrp: | the stuff from the backend? |
| [03:01:40] | sphery: | or the stuff from the DB |
| [03:01:44] | wagnerrp: | thats all pretty simple to duplicate, and most of it was already there before i started tinkering |
| [03:01:56] | sphery: | has Recorded and OldRecorded and ... and some of your defines and ... |
| [03:02:12] | wagnerrp: | right, canned database access |
| [03:03:05] | wagnerrp: | im saying that improved database access is the only significant difference between the two |
| [03:04:28] | sphery: | well, whatever, it's /much/ better than the perl stuff |
| [03:04:53] | wagnerrp: | having not actually tried to use them, i cant argue |
| [03:06:38] | wagnerrp: | well, that and i refuse to add analogs to _nuv_info and _mpeg_info |
| [03:07:04] | sphery: | heh, yeah, those don't need to be there |
| [03:08:31] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo had mentioned to Capt'M about putting that stuff in the database during the restructuring |
| [03:08:39] | wagnerrp: | so its just available to whoever wants it |
| [03:09:04] | Beirdo: | yeah, he had it in his nice new schema |
| [03:09:14] | Beirdo: | whenever that will be actually live, I dunno |
| [03:11:12] | ** wagnerrp goes searching for more pages to mark as fail ** | |
| [03:11:25] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:11:32] | Beirdo: | you and your fail whale :)P |
| [03:11:44] | wagnerrp: | im going to use that thing every chance i get |
| [03:12:04] | Beirdo: | please do :) |
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| [03:20:03] | wagnerrp: | like this page... keeping a page named after themselves, rather than properly using their user page |
| [03:20:25] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp just broke mediawiki |
| [03:20:29] | iamlindoro: | that's a new one for me |
| [03:20:39] | wagnerrp: | broke? how? |
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| [03:20:56] | iamlindoro: | deceased |
| [03:20:59] | iamlindoro: | (from here) |
| [03:21:10] | iamlindoro: | actually, may even be all of Apache |
| [03:21:15] | iamlindoro: | aaaand it's back |
| [03:21:17] | wagnerrp: | i can access the wiki just fine here |
| [03:21:40] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=MySql_2f_Dat . . . p;rcid=44354 |
| [03:21:42] | iamlindoro: | Try that |
| [03:22:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that page takes a LONG time to load up the diff |
| [03:22:13] | wagnerrp: | like 30+ seconds |
| [03:22:23] | wagnerrp: | because its so excessively massive |
| [03:22:30] | iamlindoro: | failing outright here |
| [03:22:45] | wagnerrp: | ...which is why it was split into multiple pages and i marked that page for deletion |
| [03:22:52] | iamlindoro: | Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /data/www/wiki.mythtv.org/includes/diff/DifferenceEngine.php on line 2027 |
| [03:23:03] | wagnerrp: | yeah, just got that |
| [03:23:08] | iamlindoro: | So I'll just delete it instead |
| [03:23:15] | iamlindoro: | no fuss, no muss |
| [03:24:03] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: anyway... i was going to stamp a 'fail' on this http://mythtv.org/wiki/Gavin_Hurlbut page... |
| [03:25:26] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:25:57] | Beirdo: | nuv2avi needs to be resurrected sometime |
| [03:26:22] | wagnerrp: | there are a surprising number of user pages migrated over from the old wiki and never touched since |
| [03:27:57] | Beirdo: | you can just delete that page if you want |
| [03:28:44] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i was doing a lot of that last year... http://mythtv.org/wiki/Abandoned_User_Pages |
| [03:29:39] | wagnerrp: | i was intending to leave any dev/admin pages there, but i seem to have taken out a couple of those as well |
| [03:30:11] | Beirdo: | I might go fill that out at some point |
| [03:30:13] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:32:16] | wagnerrp: | i cant imagine what would happen if someone decided to do a big edit of the nuvexport page |
| [03:32:34] | wagnerrp: | considering the wiki timed out diffing a page half its size |
| [03:33:27] | Beirdo: | recently? |
| [03:33:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah, iamlindoro's comment about me breaking the wiki |
| [03:34:04] | wagnerrp: | there are about a hundred pages, each for their own database table |
| [03:34:30] | wagnerrp: | there was also a page holding the descriptions of every database table (twice for unknown reasons) |
| [03:34:45] | wagnerrp: | so i just deleted the whole thing |
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| [03:34:53] | wagnerrp: | it was like 57KB |
| [03:35:26] | wagnerrp: | the nuvexport page is 117KB |
| [03:37:44] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:39:29] | sphery: | yeah, there's no user page for me |
| [03:39:41] | sphery: | yay, that is |
| [03:39:54] | Beirdo: | I should make one |
| [03:39:55] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:40:07] | nutron: | gbee's page is fawesome |
| [03:40:25] | nutron: | pretty colours'n stuff |
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| [03:41:42] | nutron: | colours <-- wtf stupid xchat .. I spelled it correctly. |
| [03:41:54] | wagnerrp: | colors? |
| [03:42:39] | [R]: | nutron: its not xchat's fault you are using the wrong dictionary |
| [03:44:54] | nutron: | ... I know ... it's debian's |
| [03:44:55] | nutron: | :D |
| [03:45:32] | wagnerrp: | always laying blame elsewhere... you're such a mythtv user... |
| [03:45:36] | [R]: | pretty sure it's not debian's ITHER |
| [03:45:37] | Beirdo: | colours is correct. so is colors |
| [03:45:39] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:45:56] | Beirdo: | the former's English. The latter is American |
| [03:45:59] | wagnerrp: | you shut your mouth, you crazy british english user... |
| [03:46:38] | Beirdo: | and gbee being British... colours is appropriate :) |
| [03:47:40] | Beirdo: | compiling mythtv in virtualbox on an Atom netbook is slooooow |
| [03:47:50] | wagnerrp: | still going since yesterday? |
| [03:48:06] | nutron: | hah! |
| [03:48:51] | Beirdo: | it's the plugins now |
| [03:48:57] | Beirdo: | but so slow |
| [03:49:12] | wagnerrp: | well what plugins do you need? i thought you were just working on mythweather |
| [03:49:30] | wagnerrp: | where's beirdobuildbot now? |
| [03:49:32] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, I thought of a great idea... A new script that downloads a wiki page, creates a directory called <page_name> and writes all the scripts in the Code boxes in that page into files in that directory... |
| [03:49:50] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: well, we need to get buildbot setup too |
| [03:50:05] | wagnerrp: | sphery: was actually considering that an hour or two ago |
| [03:50:28] | Beirdo: | I'll talk to xris about it tomorrow if I remember |
| [03:50:43] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you're faster than me, again |
| [03:50:46] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: had mentioned that ubuntu currently pulls everything out of contrib into a directory, and mirobridge is set up to run from that directory by his MCC script |
| [03:50:54] | ** sphery hopes you're also faster at writing it so I don't have to :) ** | |
| [03:51:04] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:51:11] | [R]: | [mythtv-users] Comcast bricked my HDHR above 33 – Los Gatos – 95032 |
| [03:51:18] | [R]: | sounds like someone doesnt understand the meaning of the word "brick" |
| [03:51:24] | wagnerrp: | [R]: pretty much |
| [03:51:27] | Beirdo: | sphery is my coding idol. procrastination++ |
| [03:51:33] | sphery: | heh |
| [03:52:33] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i wonder how useful this 'pywikimedia' would prove for such a task |
| [03:53:37] | sphery: | looking for that |
| [03:53:46] | wagnerrp: | pywikipedia, rather |
| [03:53:52] | wagnerrp: | the wiki python scripts use it |
| [03:54:15] | sphery: | cool |
| [03:54:23] | sphery: | looks like it wouldn't be hard even without anything like that |
| [03:54:34] | sphery: | could probably do it with bash ;) |
| [03:54:51] | wagnerrp: | bash ftw! |
| [03:54:52] | nutron: | bash == good |
| [03:55:12] | ** wagnerrp rummages through the wiki for his failwhale ** | |
| [03:55:13] | nutron: | /bin/sh to make this even funner! |
| [03:55:41] | nutron: | wasn't there a guy stating he could rewrite all of myth inside a bash script ... or was it a perl script? ages ago... |
| [03:55:47] | wagnerrp: | perl |
| [03:55:52] | nutron: | in 7000 lines! |
| [03:56:01] | nutron: | or something ridiculous |
| [03:56:01] | wagnerrp: | 1700 |
| [03:56:11] | sphery: | nutron: no, a script that starts #!/bin/sh , but /also/ uses BASH regex stuff ! |
| [03:56:27] | nutron: | :o u r t3h d3vil |
| [03:56:51] | wagnerrp: | how about a perl script that uses 'curl' from the command line for downloading webpages |
| [03:56:52] | nutron: | Bash regex? not possible |
| [03:57:06] | wagnerrp: | hey, i saw someone do it with mysql |
| [03:57:39] | nutron: | does not compute |
| [03:58:16] | wagnerrp: | youve got that right... http://mythtv.org/wiki/Pdatranscode.pl |
| [03:59:05] | sphery: | nutron: "[[ expression ]] ... An additional binary operator, =~, is available, with the same precedence as == and !=. When it is used, the string to the right of the operator is considered an extended regular expression and matched accordingly (as in regex(3))." |
| [03:59:38] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:59:56] | nutron: | wagnerrp: hehe lol... fail whale |
| [04:00:10] | sphery: | BASH_REMATCH , if you didn't catch the first bout... :) |
| [04:00:18] | nutron: | sphery: omfg... |
| [04:01:11] | wagnerrp: | the internet is dull, repetitive, annoying... |
| [04:01:21] | wagnerrp: | but every so often, it produces something so glorious as the fail whale |
| [04:01:45] | Beirdo: | and of course, sometimes it produces tards. |
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| [04:09:34] | wagnerrp: | sphery: any ideas on how to limit what gets downloaded by this script? |
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| [04:09:56] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:09:58] | wagnerrp: | obviously i dont want to pull everything in Category:Scripts |
| [04:11:40] | wagnerrp: | but then i dont think limiting it to stuff in Perl/Python_Scripts is right either |
| [04:12:03] | wagnerrp: | because there are plenty that dont access the database anyway, and so have no need to use one of the bindings |
| [04:13:46] | Beirdo: | how about beer bindings? |
| [04:14:18] | wagnerrp: | somehow, i think interfacing mythtv with beer could only end badly |
| [04:14:24] | iamlindoro: | I'm already bound to beer pretty well |
| [04:14:33] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:14:37] | wagnerrp: | youll just end up with a bunch of tainted beer, and a bunch of shorted out computer hardware |
| [04:14:45] | Beirdo: | I guess |
| [04:15:09] | Beirdo: | mythbeer still sounds like fun |
| [04:15:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I was thinking ./get_scripts http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/6200ch |
| [04:15:52] | sphery: | so basically just have them provide the URI of the page with the scripts |
| [04:16:12] | sphery: | the tough one will be ./get_scripts http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/get_scripts |
| [04:16:20] | wagnerrp: | maybe something a bit more complicated... |
| [04:16:28] | wagnerrp: | have some standard page syntax that the scripts follow |
| [04:16:35] | wagnerrp: | so you can list all available scripts on the wiki |
| [04:16:43] | sphery: | that's cool |
| [04:16:45] | wagnerrp: | select individual ones to download |
| [04:16:49] | sphery: | yeah |
| [04:17:10] | Beirdo: | we await your script :) |
| [04:17:11] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:17:18] | Beirdo: | that does sound cool though |
| [04:17:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah yeah... im working on it |
| [04:17:43] | sphery: | with that script, I could have left the xbm's as individal xbm files |
| [04:17:58] | sphery: | just put 15 more code boxes in the page |
| [04:18:14] | sphery: | I do like the new way, though |
| [04:18:37] | sphery: | and I have a section on how to customize it which even includes changing it back to individual image files |
| [04:19:51] | wagnerrp: | do either of you actually have a pywikipedia in your respective package managers/ |
| [04:19:58] | wagnerrp: | neither gentoo nor freebsd do |
| [04:20:00] | Beirdo: | let me look |
| [04:20:12] | wagnerrp: | im thinking i should just scrap it and write a scraper from scratch |
| [04:20:42] | Beirdo: | I don't see it in ubuntu |
| [04:20:59] | Beirdo: | not named anything like that anyways |
| [04:21:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: see the way I've been doing the scripts, with the {{Code box|d10control.pl|\n<pre>...</pre>\n}} stuff? That seems to make it relatively readable in source form. |
| [04:22:07] | sphery: | don't know if your wikipediareaderthing can key off that stuff |
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| [04:25:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: it even gives the file name |
| [04:26:48] | wagnerrp: | python already has its own special 'Template:Python', just a modified 'Template:Code box' with a different image |
| [04:26:50] | wagnerrp: | ill whip up one for perl too |
| [04:28:37] | sphery: | nice |
| [04:28:37] | nutron: | wagnerrp: what do you think about a Devel bindings page with each binding documented in a matrix. ie. Function – Python – Perl ... under each you'd have the equivalent call and the function column describes how it functions? |
| [04:29:49] | nutron: | I figure that way they can be analogous in the different languages. ie, I think there's a Ruby bindings in the future, just add the column. |
| [04:29:52] | wagnerrp: | nutron: would only work if theyre all providing the same naive functions |
| [04:30:10] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: well, that would be the end goal, no? |
| [04:30:14] | nutron: | wagnerrp: would that not be a good goal? |
| [04:30:44] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: why? each language is going to have its own quirks and attributes that the bindings should be designed against |
| [04:31:20] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to various python/perl modules you see that are nothing but a naive duplication of the base C functions |
| [04:31:30] | Beirdo: | well, the basic "API" given by the bindings should be nearly language-independent to a certain extent, no? |
| [04:32:02] | wagnerrp: | as it stands, the python bindings are based around the 'DictData' class |
| [04:32:05] | Beirdo: | obviously the precise implementation won't be |
| [04:32:27] | wagnerrp: | which can act as a dictionary or a class, depending on how you call it |
| [04:32:34] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if perl would have an analog to that |
| [04:32:50] | wagnerrp: | or if when using perl, you would even want it to behave that way |
| [04:33:19] | wagnerrp: | a dictionary is basically an associative array |
| [04:33:31] | nutron: | called a hash in perl |
| [04:33:31] | Beirdo: | k |
| [04:34:18] | wagnerrp: | basically... i dont know enough about perl to say whether or not you would want the perl bindings to mirror the python ones |
| [04:34:19] | nutron: | and yes, perl can behave that way, and it's the way I do things. Though, a specific API would probably be a good platform to start from. |
| [04:34:59] | nutron: | at this point I'm lookint to emulate what the python bindings do, in perl, from there on, if there are additional requirements, I would think both sets would want to provide the same functionality. |
| [04:35:00] | Beirdo: | well, you can still make a matrix of the class methods, right? |
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| [04:35:42] | nutron: | I'd think so, I don't see why not. |
| [04:36:06] | JohnQ: | Anyone have any experience debugging mythmovies? I've run the grabber command manually, and it seems to work and dump valid-looking xml. but nothing shows up on the mythmovies page |
| [04:38:39] | wagnerrp: | well the python bindings are fairly well documented on the wiki, you can at least get a list of all available methods off it |
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| [04:39:45] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: cool beans |
| [04:40:08] | nutron: | wagnerrp: yes they are indeed, thanks for that. |
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| [04:41:22] | wagnerrp: | if youve never used python, the interpreter also provides internal documentation |
| [04:41:32] | wagnerrp: | 'import MythTV; help(MythTV)' |
| [04:42:45] | clever: | ImportError: No module named MythTv |
| [04:42:56] | clever: | its probly confused by my custom --prefix |
| [04:42:57] | wagnerrp: | i cant help you if you cant type properly |
| [04:43:00] | JohnQ: | capital V? |
| [04:43:06] | wagnerrp: | JohnQ++ |
| [04:43:10] | clever: | ah, didnt see that |
| [04:43:18] | clever: | ImportError: No module named MythTV |
| [04:43:20] | clever: | same ;P |
| [04:43:26] | clever: | so we where both right |
| [04:43:30] | JohnQ: | doh. |
| [04:43:44] | ** Beirdo hands wagnerrp a trout ** | |
| [04:44:29] | clever: | i'll just symlink them in |
| [04:44:51] | wagnerrp: | or you can adjust your python path to include them |
| [04:45:45] | clever: | seems i need MySQLdb next |
| [04:46:06] | clever: | python-mysqldb |
| [04:46:26] | wagnerrp: | thats the only external library it needs |
| [04:46:32] | clever: | good :) |
| [04:46:36] | wagnerrp: | everything else should be included in the standard python package |
| [04:47:14] | clever: | nice! |
| [04:48:11] | clever: | now i just need to figure out how to use the dang stuff ;P |
| [04:48:28] | clever: | not sure what to do to make an instance of things like MythTV.FreeSpace |
| [04:48:45] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Python_bindings |
| [04:49:26] | Beirdo: | RTFM? :) The horror! |
| [04:49:33] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Python_bindings/Data_Objects#created_by_2 |
| [04:49:45] | clever: | Beirdo: http://xkcd.com/293/ |
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| [04:51:36] | Beirdo: | OMG, finally finished compiling and installing in virtualbox |
| [04:51:41] | clever: | wagnerrp: so far none of the examples are complying...:S |
| [04:51:53] | wagnerrp: | are you running 0.23? |
| [04:52:02] | Beirdo: | I guess I should setup mysql and make a fake backend :) |
| [04:52:13] | clever: | wagnerrp: 0.23.20100404–1 trunk 24115M |
| [04:52:49] | wagnerrp: | MythTV.__version__ |
| [04:53:03] | clever: | AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute '__version__' |
| [04:53:33] | wagnerrp: | oh... 115, not 215 |
| [04:53:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that wouldnt be there yet |
| [04:54:10] | clever: | not even the simple looking stuff like 'db = MythDB()' works, NameError: name 'MythDB' is not defined |
| [04:54:26] | JohnQ: | db= MythTV.MythDB() |
| [04:54:43] | clever: | would help if the examples actualy showed that |
| [04:54:43] | JohnQ: | ... Do you know python? |
| [04:54:52] | clever: | i'm a bit rusty with my python |
| [04:55:00] | clever: | last thing i used was that turtle gui thing |
| [04:55:08] | sphery: | logo? |
| [04:55:13] | Beirdo: | hahahah |
| [04:55:15] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [04:55:16] | wagnerrp: | those work if you 'from MythTV import MythDB' |
| [04:55:27] | wagnerrp: | or run the '__init__.py' from the python install directory |
| [04:55:45] | JohnQ: | Do the examples say "import MythTV" or "from MythTV import ...." |
| [04:55:46] | Beirdo: | I can't believe someone here other than me will admit to having used logo |
| [04:56:05] | wagnerrp: | JohnQ: no, they assume the users are at least semi-versed in python |
| [04:56:05] | clever: | JohnQ: the example didnt have either, i was going on wagnerrp's example from a short while back |
| [04:56:15] | JohnQ: | Ah |
| [04:56:20] | clever: | Beirdo: logo? |
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| [04:56:54] | JohnQ: | Logo was so fun. |
| [04:57:31] | JohnQ: | It served no real world purpose (aside from education), but it was fun. |
| [04:58:49] | [R]: | i really need to lower the bitrate for my sd hdpvr recordings... what's the default? |
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| [05:00:42] | clever: | wagnerrp: you remember what i said about ghosting on my LCD? |
| [05:00:55] | wagnerrp: | not really |
| [05:01:09] | clever: | taking a really close look at it, its very noticable |
| [05:01:28] | clever: | if i 'clear' an xterm full of text, i can see a ghost of everything as dim grey-ish pixels |
| [05:01:42] | wagnerrp: | what type of panel? |
| [05:01:46] | clever: | but they arent small 1080 pixels like its an LCD problem |
| [05:01:53] | clever: | they are fist sized 480i pixels |
| [05:02:15] | clever: | like its a problem in the composite video decoder |
| [05:03:03] | clever: | sony bravia hdtv |
| [05:03:38] | wagnerrp: | so likely to be a nice panel |
| [05:03:43] | clever: | kdl-32l-4010 |
| [05:03:49] | wagnerrp: | the IPS panels on our apple monitors at work do that |
| [05:04:22] | clever: | it doesnt feel like a problem with the lcd itself |
| [05:04:41] | [R]: | oh ffs... is south park on now? |
| [05:04:43] | clever: | the ghost pixels also come and go as a rolling bar of them sweeps up the screen |
| [05:04:44] | ** [R] gets all excited ** | |
| [05:05:10] | clever: | the more anoying part is how the brightness keeps jumping up and down |
| [05:05:57] | clever: | might just be due to composite video being sucky and on an extrmely long cord |
| [05:06:30] | JohnQ: | aha.. I should have known that "googlemovies.pl" would work better than the default of ignyte. Works well now. |
| [05:06:42] | wagnerrp: | googlemovies.pl? |
| [05:06:52] | JohnQ: | mythmovies |
| [05:07:01] | JohnQ: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5164 |
| [05:07:05] | clever: | wagnerrp: it seems to be having trouble detecting the 'black' level of the signal |
| [05:07:07] | wagnerrp: | right, but i didnt know you could change that grabber |
| [05:07:16] | clever: | once noise makes a pixel turn grey, it sticks grey for a while |
| [05:07:20] | JohnQ: | (or http://github.com/Jonty/Googlemovies) |
| [05:07:38] | wagnerrp: | its very likely just analog artifacts due to a long run of analog video |
| [05:08:03] | clever: | id rather drive it with vga atleast, but the ati card is buggered to hell and back |
| [05:08:18] | JohnQ: | Yeah, apparently you can change the grabber.. Strange that the default one didnt work. |
| [05:08:21] | clever: | nomater what res i put the card at, the tv claims 1024x768 and adds huge black bars around the video |
| [05:08:23] | JohnQ: | Yay google. :-D |
| [05:08:58] | clever: | 'theather sync' (using the audio amp thru the tv remote) also refuses to work on vga (software limit) |
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| [05:09:33] | clever: | dvi would probly be best, but that system is also ati and has XV problems i think |
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| [05:11:19] | clever: | wagnerrp: think i should just go to the dvi system? |
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| [05:13:13] | JohnQ: | thanks all. cyas |
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| [05:22:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: nice... we really need to delete the scripts which violate TOS from trac or something |
| [05:22:58] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5164#comment:4 |
| [05:25:19] | wagnerrp: | you can replace them with empty files |
| [05:26:03] | wagnerrp: | a bit surprised people can still attach files while locked |
| [05:29:03] | sphery: | yeah, that seems wrong |
| [05:32:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Change-channel-lirc.pl (and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . nnel-lirc.pl ), it's calling system ("rc SEND_ONCE $remote_name ENTER"); . Do you know of *any* sane distro that calls irsend rc? LIRC upstream seems to call it irsend. (It is just irsend, right?) |
| [05:33:00] | wagnerrp: | either trac does a surprisingly good job with spam... or the spammers are just stooopid |
| [05:33:35] | wagnerrp: | to be honest? ive never used irsend |
| [05:33:44] | wagnerrp: | receiving only for me |
| [05:33:58] | sphery: | I may just change it to irsend |
| [05:34:02] | sphery: | I don't know what "rc" is |
| [05:34:20] | sphery: | "remote control", but who changes the name of an app? |
| [05:34:24] | wagnerrp: | [R], clever: either of you still around? |
| [05:34:29] | wagnerrp: | i know both of you use ir blasters |
| [05:35:09] | [R]: | yo |
| [05:35:10] | [R]: | i dont anymore |
| [05:35:10] | [R]: | i use firewire |
| [05:35:45] | [R]: | i think i swa rc once too and just thought someone was stupid and used irsend instead |
| [05:36:15] | sphery: | heh... I changed it in the page |
| [05:36:25] | sphery: | it's a wiki, so if someone comes up with a reasoning for it... |
| [05:36:57] | [R]: | who can i sue? mythtv ruined my life? i haven't watched lived in months |
| [05:36:57] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:37:25] | wagnerrp: | sphery: ive got half a mind to give up on this and write something for services.mythtv.org |
| [05:37:59] | ** mag0o uses irsend ** | |
| [05:41:10] | [R]: | when i figured out how to use firewire |
| [05:41:14] | [R]: | i was the happiest boy alive |
| [05:41:24] | [R]: | ir is so 1980s |
| [05:42:04] | mag0o: | i don't think my dish stb has firewire |
| [05:42:07] | wagnerrp: | this boy is lost... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/hardware/1308 . . . ible-cf.html |
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| [05:43:15] | [R]: | lost? |
| [05:43:43] | wagnerrp: | atom on the backend, xbox on the frontend |
| [05:44:13] | wagnerrp: | lost = completely wrong and unaware of how to set up mythtv |
| [05:44:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: not working out? what about a simpler version? |
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| [05:44:45] | [R]: | oh... lol |
| [05:44:49] | sphery: | is it the actual "finding the script in the page" that's the challenge or what? |
| [05:44:58] | sphery: | just the time it's taking? |
| [05:45:00] | [R]: | wagnerrp: atleast hes not tryihng to use an xbox as a backend |
| [05:45:08] | wagnerrp: | sphery: still in planning stage |
| [05:45:18] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [05:45:31] | wagnerrp: | its more of figuring out how to make the metadata easily accessible |
| [05:45:35] | sphery: | scripts in services--where we have to maintain them--don't help, though |
| [05:45:47] | sphery: | so what would services be fore? |
| [05:46:11] | sphery: | do you have a way to get the files to the wiki/services? |
| [05:48:05] | wagnerrp: | i guess that script info template will work, just cant come up with a 'look' i like |
| [05:48:28] | Beirdo: | include the fail whale :) |
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| [05:57:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that lost boy is funny--he's going from a good combined frontend/backend to 2 underpowered systems to save electricity. The XBox is, what, 100W+ and add in another (being kind) 20W for the Atom system, and he could make a system that does half that, works as a combined frontend/backend--and all without trying. |
| [05:57:52] | wagnerrp: | sphery: its one of the mobile versions, so ill give him the benefit of the doubt |
| [05:58:04] | sphery: | mobile Xbox? |
| [05:58:07] | wagnerrp: | couple watts for the system, couple more watts for any power supply at that low level |
| [05:58:07] | nutron: | what does services aim to do? provide packaged contrib material via the myth interface? |
| [05:58:11] | wagnerrp: | mobile Atom |
| [05:58:15] | sphery: | oh |
| [05:58:37] | sphery: | but still, he could do a 40W system with a modern Athlon X2 or Core 2 |
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| [05:58:57] | sphery: | (or maybe a Core i*, but I don't know anything about them) |
| [05:59:00] | wagnerrp: | was the consumption on the xbox that high? |
| [05:59:06] | wagnerrp: | the processor itself would only do ~25W |
| [05:59:29] | sphery: | http://www.ehow.com/about_5189182_xbox-power-requirements.html |
| [05:59:35] | sphery: | while playing games... |
| [05:59:41] | sphery: | While playing games, the Xbox runs at 100 W, according to the original Xbox's support page. |
| [05:59:51] | sphery: | Leaving the Xbox plugged in when not in use allows it to leak energy. According to Team Xbox, the original Xbox leaks only 3.5 kWh annually, costing on average only $0.53. While playing games, the console leaks annually 50.96 kWh, costing on average $8.17. |
| [06:00:45] | Beirdo: | ugh, I think I'll hit the sack |
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| [06:02:17] | AndyCap: | sphery: it's not really leaking when you play games. :P |
| [06:02:52] | sphery: | I don't know what they meant about that |
| [06:03:02] | sphery: | maybe that it's using energy over and above what it should be? |
| [06:03:06] | nutron: | g'nite Beirdo |
| [06:03:27] | AndyCap: | sphery: must be the leds |
| [06:03:40] | [R]: | wtf |
| [06:03:47] | [R]: | this usb drive is so extremely slow |
| [06:03:50] | [R]: | but according to dd its super fast |
| [06:03:51] | [R]: | what gives |
| [06:04:17] | sphery: | [R]: writing with ntfs-3g to an ntfs? |
| [06:04:23] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [06:04:28] | [R]: | no |
| [06:04:30] | [R]: | its ext3 |
| [06:04:30] | sphery: | (or any ntfs driver, actually?) |
| [06:04:40] | sphery: | ah, that should be fast (as USB gets, that is) |
| [06:04:46] | [R]: | well except the dd was raw to the drive |
| [06:04:58] | [R]: | but when using the drive in normal operation, its ext3 |
| [06:05:08] | [R]: | i lied... its ext23 |
| [06:05:09] | [R]: | ext2* |
| [06:05:37] | [R]: | i suspect some type of evil caching |
| [06:05:52] | [R]: | usb 2.0 can't go 200MB/s right? |
| [06:06:03] | wagnerrp: | about 1/4th that |
| [06:06:08] | wagnerrp: | (theoretical maximum) |
| [06:06:17] | wagnerrp: | so make it 1/8th |
| [06:06:30] | [R]: | i'm trying a better test |
| [06:06:42] | sphery: | evil caching is always good so you're not short of evil even if the feed from h*** has some hiccups |
| [06:06:43] | wagnerrp: | are you sure its MB and not mb? |
| [06:06:55] | [R]: | 65536000 bytes (66 MB) copied, 0.331792 s, 198 MB/s |
| [06:07:21] | [R]: | ok, its taking a lot longer now |
| [06:07:42] | [R]: | but then agina... i dont care about the write speed, i only care about the read speed, and there woudl have been no evil cache for it to read from during the read |
| [06:07:47] | [R]: | and it says 1MB/s |
| [06:08:06] | wagnerrp: | well thats broken too |
| [06:08:15] | [R]: | but why would dd lie to me? |
| [06:08:23] | [R]: | 65536000 bytes (66 MB) copied, 63.7051 s, 1.0 MB/s |
| [06:08:39] | sphery: | low-bandwidth USB is 1.5Mb/s, full-bandwidth is 12Mb/s, hi-speed is 480Mb/s, and Superspeed is 4.8Gb/s |
| [06:09:13] | sphery: | since that's probably hi-speed ("USB 2"), it would be 60MB/s |
| [06:09:16] | sphery: | right? |
| [06:09:18] | [R]: | 65536000 bytes (66 MB) copied, 157.876 s, 415 kB/s |
| [06:10:11] | [R]: | damn you linux and your evil cache |
| [06:10:16] | [R]: | 63MB/s read speed |
| [06:10:50] | [R]: | how do i flush the read cache? i know how to flush the write cache |
| [06:11:16] | wagnerrp: | you dont |
| [06:11:34] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, you can run a program that consumes all your ram |
| [06:11:43] | wagnerrp: | causing linux to dump the cache for other purposes |
| [06:12:13] | [R]: | haha |
| [06:12:52] | [R]: | i should just write my own initramfs that's smaller than the default one |
| [06:12:55] | [R]: | but wheres the fun in that |
| [06:13:10] | wagnerrp: | wait... what? |
| [06:13:14] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:13:17] | wagnerrp: | that 66MB is an initramfs??? |
| [06:13:25] | [R]: | no |
| [06:13:29] | [R]: | its a 64mb usb drive |
| [06:13:37] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [06:13:40] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:13:51] | [R]: | i should just time the damn things |
| [06:13:57] | [R]: | and measure perceived speed |
| [06:14:03] | wagnerrp: | well 0.5–1MB/s is very reasonable for something like that |
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| [06:14:21] | [R]: | but it seems like it takes forever to load the kernel+initramfs |
| [06:14:30] | wagnerrp: | its probably not even USB2.0 |
| [06:14:32] | wagnerrp: | only 1.1 |
| [06:14:49] | [R]: | oh its not 2.0 |
| [06:14:55] | [R]: | did i say that? lol |
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| [06:15:11] | [R]: | its using uhci |
| [06:15:15] | wagnerrp: | '[R]> usb 2.0 can't go 200MB/s right?' |
| [06:15:19] | [R]: | yeah... its late |
| [06:15:25] | [R]: | i'm a little delusional |
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| [06:16:08] | [R]: | you can make mount use nosync... but aparently not dd |
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| [06:16:30] | [R]: | fdatasync |
| [06:16:30] | [R]: | physically write output file data before finishing |
| [06:16:30] | [R]: | or not |
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| [06:20:16] | [R]: | it took almost a minute to load 13MB |
| [06:20:42] | [R]: | that's like 200kb/s or something absurd |
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| [06:35:15] | sphery: | So, really, the only thing that's gong to be hard to get into the wiki is contrib/channel_changers/dct-channel (since it's a bunch of files). Although, that one might work there if we have a nice script that downloads the scripts/files in the page. |
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| [06:38:15] | justinh: | wth is 'swedishcook' going on about on the ipod export usert job wiki page?! |
| [06:38:33] | justinh: | has to run his dvb-t recordings through projectx first?! :-O |
| [06:38:51] | justinh: | works fine for me on a regular basis. I think his contribution needs an edit or 2 |
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| [06:39:12] | justinh: | and my script needs a rewrite to use the perl bindings |
| [06:39:31] | sphery: | that would get it a place in the Perl Scripts category :) |
| [06:39:43] | justinh: | oh wait.. it already does. oops |
| [06:39:56] | sphery: | oh wait, it already is. oops |
| [06:41:27] | justinh: | ah sod it. I'll just leave it up to the induhvidual |
| [06:42:43] | [R]: | ok, so extlinux is a million times faster than grub... should i be surprised? |
| [06:43:02] | sphery: | grub legacy? |
| [06:43:10] | [R]: | grub2 |
| [06:43:42] | [R]: | i'm talking about the time between loading the kernel/ramdisk starting and the kernel startnig to boot |
| [06:44:18] | justinh: | where loonix is concerned nothing ever surprises me anymore |
| [06:44:24] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:47:06] | justinh: | hahaha the guy I used to work with til last year has carried out his threat & is living in amsterdam on a houseboat. nice work! |
| [06:51:21] | [R]: | i wonder if syslinux would be faster than extlinux |
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| [11:11:42] | justdave: | so when I had mythvideo running in direct file mode if I had a folder that only contained other folders, I could give it a thumbnail by dropping a jpg or png file into the directory, and mythvideo appeared to load the first image it found as a thumbnail |
| [11:12:02] | justdave: | now that I switched to storage groups, that no longer works. logically, that's because it can't scan the directlry remotely. :) |
| [11:12:13] | justdave: | directory* |
| [11:12:29] | justdave: | does it still have that functionality, but it looks for a specific filename or something? |
| [11:12:49] | justdave: | or am I just out of luck if I'm using storage groups? |
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| [13:31:31] | bradd_: | what happened to 6200ch.c? |
| [13:32:25] | iamlindoro: | Nothing. Lives in the wiki. |
| [13:32:37] | iamlindoro: | (now) |
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| [13:48:23] | mohan_: | is there driver available for avertv volar go usb tv tuner card? for linux? |
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| [13:49:51] | wagnerrp: | mohan_: best to ask the people who actually write them |
| [13:50:02] | wagnerrp: | #linuxtv and/or http://www.linuxtv.org |
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| [13:53:05] | mohan_: | i asked.. there.. waiting for reply.. |
| [13:53:12] | iamlindoro: | well continue to wait |
| [13:53:18] | iamlindoro: | you asked within the same minute |
| [13:53:21] | mohan_: | yes.. waiting.. |
| [13:53:22] | wagnerrp: | and or check their wiki, on the site i linked to |
| [13:53:32] | iamlindoro: | crossposting between multiple channels is frowned upon too |
| [13:53:37] | mohan_: | i know.. just was curious if mythtv people would know.. |
| [13:53:53] | mohan_: | something about this usb based tv tuner card product.. |
| [13:54:30] | mohan_: | wagnerrp: only support for dvb based usb cards.. |
| [13:54:35] | iamlindoro: | Look on linuxtv.org, as wagnerrp said |
| [13:54:46] | iamlindoro: | We teach to fish here, we don't fish for you |
| [13:54:52] | mohan_: | searched there too.. |
| [13:55:10] | mohan_: | i think i chose a wrong product.. :( |
| [13:55:11] | wagnerrp: | if you came up empty there, chances are you didnt search hard enough, or it isnt supported |
| [13:55:28] | mohan_: | yeah.. i couldn |
| [13:55:42] | mohan_: | i couldn't find a hybrid product of avermedia |
| [13:55:51] | mohan_: | which supports linux too.. |
| [13:55:54] | mohan_: | here in my homeland. |
| [13:56:25] | wagnerrp: | you wouldnt want a hybrid product anyway |
| [13:56:39] | wagnerrp: | as they are almost invariably framegrabbers... worthless for analog on mythtv |
| [13:57:05] | mohan_: | oh.. didn't knew about that.. |
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| [13:57:22] | mohan_: | hybrid one doesn't support analog input ? |
| [13:57:29] | wagnerrp: | nearly every digital card you find will be a hybrid tuner, capable of supporting both analog and digital |
| [13:57:37] | wagnerrp: | and while the digital side is perfectly find to use |
| [13:57:49] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to use the analog framegrabber on the other half |
| [13:58:12] | mohan_: | ah.. |
| [13:58:13] | wagnerrp: | if you want to record analog, you either want an HDPVR, or an IVTV card (http://ivtvdriver.org) |
| [13:59:36] | mohan_: | my intention was to record component input from the 35mm camera |
| [13:59:47] | wagnerrp: | for that, you need an HDPVR |
| [13:59:53] | mohan_: | anyhow i was successfull in windows.. |
| [14:00:05] | wagnerrp: | aside from the fact that a 35mm camera would not have component output |
| [14:00:17] | mohan_: | it has |
| [14:00:21] | mohan_: | by the way of IVR |
| [14:00:32] | wagnerrp: | 35mm = film.... no digital inputs or outputs |
| [14:00:33] | mohan_: | Arri 3 |
| [14:00:54] | mohan_: | its for monitoring purpose on location |
| [14:01:07] | mohan_: | you can't get good quality though |
| [14:01:18] | wagnerrp: | so it has an electronic camera in addition to the film one? |
| [14:01:23] | mohan_: | but nowadays there is an HDIVR from Arri which is quite good |
| [14:01:28] | mohan_: | yes |
| [14:01:34] | wagnerrp: | well anyway, do you mean component or composite? |
| [14:01:52] | wagnerrp: | component is the 3 separate red/green/blue cables |
| [14:01:55] | mohan_: | its component. I am using BNC to RCA convertor adaptor |
| [14:02:47] | wagnerrp: | well the HDPVR is the only device currently usable with mythtv that can capture anything better than 480i off that |
| [14:03:07] | mohan_: | HDPVR? let me look through it.. |
| [14:03:14] | wagnerrp: | and the only device recommended for component for any purpose, since the rest of them will all be framegrabbers |
| [14:03:28] | wagnerrp: | understand that mythtv is a PVR |
| [14:03:37] | wagnerrp: | its primary purpose is to record for later consumption |
| [14:03:59] | wagnerrp: | which is why you want hardware encoders for analog, rather than requiring mythtv do the compression on its own |
| [14:04:19] | wagnerrp: | if you only want to view the input on your computer, you dont want to use mythtv |
| [14:04:50] | wagnerrp: | if you just want video input for immediate display on the monitor, framegrabbers are perfectly fine |
| [14:05:20] | mohan_: | i don't think buying HDPVR an viable option.. |
| [14:05:22] | mohan_: | costly. |
| [14:05:47] | mohan_: | I just want to record to on the set and review the shot |
| [14:06:05] | wagnerrp: | its currently the only option for analog HD capture |
| [14:06:34] | wagnerrp: | if youre not doing HD, svideo is much more widely supported, and should be perfectly fine as far as quality |
| [14:06:34] | mohan_: | the source itself is SD |
| [14:06:50] | mohan_: | and its not so clean too.. |
| [14:06:56] | mohan_: | hence not worried about the quality. |
| [14:07:14] | mohan_: | we can't get that great quality from IVR |
| [14:07:27] | mohan_: | it is not even comparable to minidv cams |
| [14:09:02] | wagnerrp: | so you want to do live review of what is being captured on the film camera? or you want to be able to record it for later review? |
| [14:10:18] | mohan_: | both.. |
| [14:10:36] | mohan_: | later my editor works on that |
| [14:10:56] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is really designed to be used for capturing tv, so manual recording without any sort of schedule is not its forte |
| [14:11:01] | wagnerrp: | you might want to check out VLC |
| [14:11:15] | wagnerrp: | it should be able to show live capture, and record to the background |
| [14:11:24] | wagnerrp: | or if you only want to display it and not capture, try tvtime |
| [14:11:37] | wagnerrp: | both of which fill be far easier to set up and use than mythtv for your purposes |
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| [14:12:16] | mohan_: | ok.. |
| [14:12:31] | mohan_: | thanx for the guide.. :) |
| [14:13:24] | ** justinh remembers not to mess with the mohan ** | |
| [14:14:27] | mohan_: | ? |
| [14:14:44] | wagnerrp: | 'dont mess with the zohan' was a bad adam sandler movie |
| [14:15:39] | mohan_: | u mean i would do the same bad movie? |
| [14:15:46] | justinh: | oh I dunno. as his movies go it wasn't his worst |
| [14:15:59] | wagnerrp: | no, zohan, mohan, your name is very close |
| [14:16:07] | mohan_: | k |
| [14:16:20] | wagnerrp: | hes saying 'dont mess with the mohan' instead of the zohan |
| [14:16:47] | wagnerrp: | justinh: cant say i ever saw it |
| [14:16:52] | justinh: | hmm. I think from now on anyone using sendspace on the -users ML should be struck off |
| [14:17:12] | iamlindoro: | using sendspace to send pics of your stolen videos, more still |
| [14:17:25] | wagnerrp: | oh? |
| [14:17:46] | wagnerrp: | hehe.... 'x264' |
| [14:17:56] | justinh: | wagnerrp: in the big scheme of things, it's far & away not the worst film I've ever seen. God no :) |
| [14:18:44] | wagnerrp: | did being human ever air over here? |
| [14:18:50] | wagnerrp: | or glee over there? |
| [14:19:11] | iamlindoro: | where over there is...? |
| [14:19:18] | wagnerrp: | us/britian |
| [14:19:19] | justinh: | I couldn't care less about glee. I overheard it & mistook it for alvin & the chipmunks |
| [14:19:20] | iamlindoro: | Being human is a UK show |
| [14:19:30] | iamlindoro: | So it definitely aired there :) |
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| [14:19:37] | iamlindoro: | Glee I think they're getting |
| [14:19:41] | iamlindoro: | rather, have got |
| [14:19:52] | wagnerrp: | im just wondering if its even possible he could have recorded both |
| [14:19:59] | justinh: | maybe there's something I've missed about it.. like it's eyecandy you're meant to watch with the sound turned off |
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| [14:20:40] | iamlindoro: | BBC America may have aired a season of Being Human |
| [14:21:17] | iamlindoro: | looks like the US gets the second season this summer |
| [14:21:34] | justinh: | lol @ the online chat window sendspace popped up |
| [14:21:48] | justinh: | never seen such a professional looking chat avatar in my life |
| [14:22:30] | wagnerrp: | so someone on the wiki claiming ownership for something moved from contrib |
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| [14:25:06] | justinh: | so much for open source eh |
| [14:26:28] | wagnerrp: | the claim is he wrote it, posted it to the list |
| [14:26:31] | iamlindoro: | would be nice to know what "modified" means |
| [14:26:39] | iamlindoro: | he says he took the original source and modified it |
| [14:26:55] | iamlindoro: | so "authorship" may be a bit of a strong word |
| [14:26:57] | wagnerrp: | and two years later michael thomson slapped his name on it and posted it to a ticket |
| [14:27:19] | wagnerrp: | and by 'wrote it', i mean modified the original program from redremote.co.uk |
| [14:29:30] | iamlindoro: | looks like the key differences between the original and the contrib version are some error handling |
| [14:29:54] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, if he's that butt hurt about it, he should just put his name in the attributions and be done about it |
| [14:30:00] | iamlindoro: | (IMHO) :) |
| [14:30:25] | wagnerrp: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/list/mythtv/users/59249?#59249 |
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| [14:31:01] | iamlindoro: | no workie |
| [14:31:18] | iamlindoro: | lists |
| [14:31:18] | wagnerrp: | should be lists, not list |
| [14:31:20] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [14:31:51] | iamlindoro: | anyway, he should just put his name on the page |
| [14:33:03] | wagnerrp: | that depends on how close it is to the original, and how reasonable it is this thomson could have independently made similar modifications |
| [14:33:28] | wagnerrp: | and just spent the effort to go through the proper channels (trac) to get it committed |
| [14:34:21] | iamlindoro: | It's close to the original-- more error handling, changes to status and error messages |
| [14:34:38] | iamlindoro: | but meh |
| [14:35:15] | wagnerrp: | LOT more error handling |
| [14:36:10] | iamlindoro: | heh, If you say so, it's still just a tiny little thing in the end |
| [14:36:35] | iamlindoro: | half of it is debug info, half error handling |
| [14:36:51] | wagnerrp: | well the code is like twice the length, whatever its doing |
| [14:37:07] | iamlindoro: | Basically handles six error conditions, and has a number of debug options-- the functional portions are basically untouched |
| [14:37:30] | iamlindoro: | most of the extra length is debug |
| [14:37:37] | Dibblah: | Oh. Simon. |
| [14:38:14] | wagnerrp: | so what then.... find simon and michael and stage a cage match? |
| [14:38:19] | ** iamlindoro feels like it probably isn't worth that much discussion. If he's offended or bothered, it's a wiki and he can change to his heart's content ** | |
| [14:38:43] | wagnerrp: | whoever survives gets the credit? |
| [14:40:53] | Dibblah: | Where's the complaint? |
| [14:41:05] | wagnerrp: | wiki, discussion page |
| [14:41:24] | wagnerrp: | he made the same complain on the -dev list back in 2006 when Capt'M committed it |
| [14:42:27] | wagnerrp: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/214105?#214105 |
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| [14:44:54] | Dibblah: | WTF? |
| [14:44:56] | Dibblah: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=MythTV_on_Wi . . . ;oldid=28562 |
| [14:45:08] | Dibblah: | That's an... Interesting... way to ask for support. |
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| [14:48:38] | wagnerrp: | he wrote his user page in the third person |
| [14:48:55] | wagnerrp: | rather, mixed first and third |
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| [14:51:15] | ** Dibblah hates it when I do that. ** | |
| [14:51:55] | wagnerrp: | you start talking like that, and people are going to think your multiple personalities are battling each other |
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| [15:11:35] | iamlindoro: | I am going to rewrite my user page in third person now |
| [15:12:03] | iamlindoro: | "Noted philanthropist, paleontologist, transglobal adventurer, and kama sutra scholar iamlindoro is a developer with the MythTV project." |
| [15:12:49] | wagnerrp: | transglobal? youre simply not thinking big enough |
| [15:15:11] | iamlindoro: | interdimensional? |
| [15:15:43] | wagnerrp: | well if that were the case, you would be an anthropologist, not a paleontologist |
| [15:16:09] | iamlindoro: | picky |
| [15:16:21] | wagnerrp: | can call yourself buckaroo |
| [15:16:25] | wagnerrp: | s/can/and/ |
| [15:17:11] | ** iamlindoro heads into surgery ** | |
| [15:17:32] | iamlindoro: | Gotta recruit Jeff Goldblum |
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| [15:46:25] | iamlindoro: | Heh, I like it when users complain that a feature that was added in a particular version stopped working when that version came out |
| [15:46:51] | iamlindoro: | ie "MythGame Boxart stopped working in .22." .22 was the first release with MythGame Box Art support. |
| [15:46:58] | iamlindoro: | (and it works fine) |
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| [16:27:52] | Peitolm: | Anyone know if i can expand myth's concept of "record on this channel" to be "record on this and this+1 channel"? |
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| [16:30:58] | iamlindoro: | You could write a custom recording rule |
| [16:31:38] | Peitolm: | where would I do that? |
| [16:31:49] | iamlindoro: | In "Custom Recording Rules" |
| [16:31:57] | iamlindoro: | See the relevant section in the manual |
| [16:32:24] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.5 |
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| [16:33:45] | Peitolm: | iamlindoro: thanks, guess I have to do this through mythfrontend rather than mythweb? but thanks for the pointer |
| [16:35:46] | iamlindoro: | You can do custom recording rules in Mythweb, it's just not as well documented |
| [16:36:08] | iamlindoro: | Next to "Recording Schedules" there's a link called "Custom" |
| [16:36:25] | iamlindoro: | Change Search type to "power Search" and you have an editor to create custom rules |
| [16:36:37] | iamlindoro: | no idea how to use the mythweb one beyond that, though. Same general idea. |
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| [16:37:55] | iamlindoro: | And of course, writing a functional custom record rule means knowing some basic SQL |
| [16:38:29] | Peitolm: | SQL isn't a problem |
| [16:38:47] | iamlindoro: | then it should be easy for you |
| [16:39:05] | Peitolm: | thanks for the pointer |
| [16:39:07] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [16:39:24] | Peitolm: | seems a shame myth doesn't understand timeshifted channels natively |
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| [16:40:10] | iamlindoro: | Myth doesn't care what channel things are on |
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| [16:40:16] | iamlindoro: | or what time they're on |
| [16:40:24] | iamlindoro: | you're the one who chose a "this channel" rule :) |
| [16:40:52] | iamlindoro: | IF you want it to consider both channels eligible, don't use "this channel" |
| [16:41:01] | Peitolm: | o.k. |
| [16:41:32] | Peitolm: | how about we look at it a different way, one new episode of of say, NCIS is shown on Channel moo each week |
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| [16:41:38] | Peitolm: | there is also Moo+1 |
| [16:41:48] | iamlindoro: | Then record at any time on any channel, new episodes only |
| [16:41:50] | Peitolm: | and 4 other channels are showing NCIS, but earlier shows |
| [16:42:12] | Peitolm: | earlier shows that haven't been recorded on myth |
| [16:42:23] | iamlindoro: | Thus, new episodes only :) |
| [16:42:46] | Peitolm: | isn't 'new episodes' just 'episodes myth hasn't recorded yet' |
| [16:43:05] | iamlindoro: | You can also exclude repeats and generics |
| [16:43:17] | Peitolm: | some channels seem to include different information in the subtitle, making a title and subtitle match difficult |
| [16:43:24] | iamlindoro: | thus, generic |
| [16:43:38] | iamlindoro: | and it looks at original airdate |
| [16:43:47] | Peitolm: | but a repeat isn't always marked as a repeat |
| [16:43:53] | Peitolm: | let me see if i have airdate info |
| [16:44:18] | iamlindoro: | I get the sense you haven't done much experimentation |
| [16:44:34] | Peitolm: | i have 'original airdate: 2010' |
| [16:44:49] | iamlindoro: | You should really read *all of* http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html |
| [16:45:22] | Peitolm: | iamlindoro: more i did a bit of experimentation back when i first setup myth, but haven't always read the changelog to see what new functionality has come in |
| [16:45:39] | iamlindoro: | Scheduling has not changed substantially in a very, very long time |
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| [16:47:28] | Peitolm: | no, but the scheduling data for me has |
| [16:49:08] | Peitolm: | iamlindoro: i will take a look, I think custom rules will be the easiest for me to deal with |
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| [16:54:22] | Peitolm: | heh, 'First Recording: Friday November 28th, 2003' |
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| [17:25:24] | wagnerrp: | seems the first rumors of hulu subscriptions have come out |
| [17:25:40] | wagnerrp: | the last five episodes are still free, ad supported |
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| [17:25:57] | wagnerrp: | more than that require a $10/mo subs, and are (i assume) ad free |
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| [17:27:42] | gnuday: | Hi I'm running mythtv-frontend 0.22+fixes20100218–0.0lenny on lenny and all is well except when I switch to the EPG and the display becomes corrupt using ALT+CTRL+F2 to switch to a terminal and then back to X with ALT+CTRL+F7 resolves it. Can anybody help? |
| [17:28:32] | clever: | sounds like your video drivers are borked |
| [17:28:37] | wagnerrp: | why do these packages have to use a date, rather than a revision? |
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| [17:29:48] | gnuday: | TV picture is fine and also the channel information is shown correctly so overlay works fine ( I think?) |
| [17:30:11] | clever: | would need to try an xrefresh to see if its myth or the drivers i think |
| [17:30:45] | gnuday: | one sec I'll try that |
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| [17:34:36] | wagnerrp: | so how long until udo proclaims we are ignoring his problems again |
| [17:34:51] | tzanger: | you guys are ignoring my problems :-( |
| [17:35:34] | wagnerrp: | tzanger: please try for help in #psychiatrist... :P |
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| [17:36:43] | tzanger: | :-) |
| [17:36:50] | gnuday: | hi, xrefresh appears to solve the problem but only after cycling through the ALT+CTRL+F2->ALT+CTRL+F7 |
| [17:36:55] | wagnerrp: | udo is someone who has been complaining about memory leaks for years |
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| [17:37:30] | wagnerrp: | we ask him for a valgrind, but he always runs with 'my hardware is too weak to run valgrind, fix anyway' |
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| [17:37:46] | wagnerrp: | so a couple weeks ago he finally ran valgrind |
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| [17:38:30] | wagnerrp: | the leaks were fixed, his logs confirmed it, but the resident size slowly increases as mythtv is intentionally consuming more storage |
| [17:38:43] | wagnerrp: | so hes going to start complaining 'mythtv uses too much memory' |
| [17:39:29] | wagnerrp: | and since thats not a bug, theyre all going to get closed 'feature request, invalid' |
| [17:40:09] | tzanger: | fun times |
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| [17:40:40] | wagnerrp: | sphery: just so you know, those problems hes seeing in arclight are on pirated videos |
| [17:41:29] | wagnerrp: | either that, or hes retarded and names his own rips to 'x264' for no sensible reason |
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| [17:43:37] | kisak: | hello, hdhomerun can do multiplex recording, what's the practical limit of simultanious recordings? |
| [17:44:04] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has a hard coded limit of 5 |
| [17:44:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, didn't know that |
| [17:44:40] | kisak: | ok, good to know |
| [17:44:49] | wagnerrp: | obviously you didnt subject yourself to sendspace to download his screenshots |
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| [17:47:17] | clever: | lol |
| [17:47:40] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you can mark content on the wiki as 'display:none', at which point the css code will tell any compliant browser not to display it |
| [17:48:03] | wagnerrp: | should be simple to add in author/short/longdescription/etc... |
| [17:48:07] | wagnerrp: | to make it easy to parse |
| [17:48:13] | sphery: | nice |
| [17:48:26] | sphery: | maybe make a template for a script page? |
| [17:48:45] | wagnerrp: | that way you can make the page look however you want, and the scraper shouldnt care |
| [17:48:55] | sphery: | even if it's the "hit edit, copy, paste into your new page" type template (don't know if wikimedia can do better) |
| [17:49:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, you can produce templates |
| [17:50:12] | wagnerrp: | now that i think about it, that would be better than using the Scripts category |
| [17:50:26] | wagnerrp: | just enumerate any pages using the Template:Script_info template |
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| [17:50:43] | sphery: | still need the category to organize them, right? |
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| [17:51:03] | kisak: | here's a trickier question, I have 96 channels with listings for my area, plus I have 1 channel with listings that isn't officially available from the cable provider, is there any way to tell mythtv that that one stray channel can be tuned by the same device that has the 96 other channels? |
| [17:51:39] | sphery: | kisak: a video source is a list of channels (and their tuning information) for channels that can be received over an input |
| [17:51:47] | sphery: | kisak: one video source per input by definition |
| [17:52:03] | sphery: | therefore you need them (all 97) in the same video source |
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| [17:53:03] | sphery: | if you have 2 sources of listings data, you have to pre-process to combine them (or just running mythfilldatabase with an xmltv file with only data for the one channel when you want to update it should work) |
| [17:55:31] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: Have time for a quick direction question? |
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| [17:56:12] | kisak: | wagnerrp: is the hardcoded limit of 5 for just hdhomerun or all devices combined? |
| [17:56:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, sure. |
| [17:56:25] | wagnerrp: | for each tuner |
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| [17:56:50] | wagnerrp: | each tuner can have up to five, its a completely arbitrary limit |
| [17:57:12] | iamlindoro: | well, somewhat arbitrary anyway |
| [17:57:16] | wagnerrp: | although ive heard some tuners have poor PID filters, and dont work well with more than a couple simultaneous recordings |
| [17:57:22] | sphery: | I have a patch that removes the "System Exit Key" setting and instead creates a new keybinding EXIT that the user can set to Esc or Alt+Esc or whatever they want. If they set it to '', it's the same as the old "No exit key." In mythtv-setup, "No exit key," makes no sense, so when it was a setting, I put in an session override for the setting. Can you think of a way to either a) override the keybinding for one session or b) ... |
| [17:57:23] | kisak: | wagnerrp: so that makes it a hardcoded limit of 10 total for a dual tuner hdhomerun, right? |
| [17:57:27] | iamlindoro: | AIUI it was chosen as a sensible limit to handle those cards without sufficient hardware PID filters |
| [17:57:28] | sphery: | ... let myththemedmenu detect that we're running mythtv-setup so it can be more permissive? |
| [17:57:54] | sphery: | not to mention the scheduler doesn't scale much beyond 5 when you have several cards |
| [17:58:45] | sphery: | i.e. our pathetically-underpowered-system users couldn't go beyond it... 5 was kind of a sweet spot after which performance went /way/ down with each increase. |
| [18:00:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, can we detect that by looking at the window stack somehow? |
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| [18:01:09] | sphery: | good question... |
| [18:03:02] | sphery: | iamlindoro: do you happen to know ^^^ |
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| [18:03:02] | kisak: | I'm not trying to go to extremes here, I was just troubleshooting an error with the just added multiplex on hdhomerun ... restarting mythbackend fixed it |
| [18:03:03] | sphery: | yeah, you can't/shouldn't go beyond 10 for 2 tuners |
| [18:03:03] | sphery: | do you really have any multiplexes with >5 channels, anyway? |
| [18:03:03] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Think you can do a GetLocation on a screenstack |
| [18:03:03] | sphery: | cool... I'll play with that and see what I get |
| [18:03:03] | kisak: | sphery: yes ... but not of concentrated content I want anyway |
| [18:03:03] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I'm not sure if mythtv-setup will return anything different than mythfrontend, though |
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| [18:03:25] | iamlindoro: | sphery: A given window would, but dunno about menus, which presumably might return the same string |
| [18:03:56] | ** sphery wonder what kind of bitrate you're getting on those channels ** | |
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| [18:05:25] | sphery: | iamlindoro: thanks... I'll see what I can find. |
| [18:06:23] | iamlindoro: | sphery: MythMainWindow has a SetWindowTitle function, which is set to "MythTV Setup" in mythtv-setup/main.cpp |
| [18:06:31] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I don't see a Get, though |
| [18:06:39] | iamlindoro: | probably simple as pie to add one and get what you want, though |
| [18:07:26] | ** Peitolm seems to recall reading a DVB-S multiplex is in the other of 90Mbit/s ** | |
| [18:07:45] | kisak: | well, it appears there's no point in scaling up above 3/2 on this dual tuner hdhomerun since the extra capture only will get used once int he next 2 weeks |
| [18:08:15] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Ah, it's inherited from QWidget |
| [18:08:18] | iamlindoro: | sphery: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.3/qwidget.html#windowTitle-prop |
| [18:08:25] | kisak: | s/int he/in the/ |
| [18:08:33] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Will return "MythTV Setup" as a QString... should work? |
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| [18:08:58] | sphery: | that might work |
| [18:09:00] | sphery: | not beautiful, but... :) |
| [18:09:18] | iamlindoro: | That's my motto |
| [18:09:20] | sphery: | just testing the GetLocation() |
| [18:09:24] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:09:28] | sphery: | just don't tell her |
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| [18:10:06] | sphery: | Location = mainmenu |
| [18:10:14] | sphery: | not too helpful... |
| [18:10:16] | sphery: | window title, then |
| [18:10:18] | wagnerrp: | sphery: what do you think about http://mythtv.org/wiki/Change-channel-lirc.sh ? |
| [18:11:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I don't know why we need a .pl and a .sh (and a dish*.sh), but I figured they were all in contrib, so ... |
| [18:11:40] | wagnerrp: | i mean the hidden parseable info in a template |
| [18:11:59] | sphery: | wow, well hidden... I didn't notice :) |
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| [18:12:38] | wagnerrp: | although it would be nice to not have it add a paragraph around it |
| [18:12:47] | wagnerrp: | so theres not all that white space at the top |
| [18:13:34] | sphery: | ughh... you'll have to un-html-escape the script contents... |
| [18:13:39] | sphery: | (not because of that, but...) |
| [18:13:50] | sphery: | ah, the blank line |
| [18:14:14] | sphery: | I--being a very much non artistic guy--didn't even notice the spaces |
| [18:14:25] | wagnerrp: | the wiki automatically puts it in a paragraph, and adds a bunch of line breaks |
| [18:15:42] | sphery: | what will you do for pages with multiple files? |
| [18:15:47] | sphery: | just have the info before each? |
| [18:15:55] | wagnerrp: | not sure about that |
| [18:16:02] | wagnerrp: | maybe a comma or pipe separated list |
| [18:16:17] | sphery: | Like http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/6200ch (where the Makefile really isn't important) |
| [18:16:25] | sphery: | the instructions show how to compile without using it |
| [18:16:56] | wagnerrp: | well ideally, the script could be told to automatically compile it |
| [18:17:25] | sphery: | heh, true |
| [18:17:29] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, that could be a pretty serious security concern |
| [18:17:41] | wagnerrp: | executing arbitrary code found on a wiki |
| [18:17:45] | sphery: | yeah, I think I'd prefer downloading then compiling |
| [18:17:55] | sphery: | btw, I really appreciate your helping with this |
| [18:18:03] | sphery: | it's enough of a time sink just moving the stuff. |
| [18:18:26] | sphery: | I think the config files are going next... |
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| [18:18:42] | wagnerrp: | config files? |
| [18:18:44] | sphery: | I guess I'll likely just put a README file in contrib that refers to the wiki locations |
| [18:20:13] | sphery: | there is a contrib/config_files/ with things like logrotate config and lirc configs and ... That and contrib/Linux/{init_scripts,udev_monitor} are pretty much the only major ones left |
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| [18:32:06] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im thinking ill build this into the python bindings instead of an external program |
| [18:32:44] | wagnerrp: | ill have some wrapper program set up to use them, but putting it in the bindings would allow the mythbuntu guys to make an MCC plugin, or other groups to handle it otherwise |
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| [18:34:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: sounds good... they shouldn't need these things until they've got myth installed, so |
| [18:35:41] | wagnerrp: | ill just shove it into a separate module like the ttvdb and tmdb API stuff currently is |
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| [18:42:38] | guilhermeblanco: | hi guys... I have a notebook ASUS G1S and I'd like to buy a TV usb component to install on my 9.10. In my city I only found 2 available models (Encore ENUTV-2 and PixelView PV-A6600U1). Can you give me a hint on which one is supposed to work on my OS? I've only found Windows support around these devices. |
| [18:43:35] | guilhermeblanco: | I was suggested by a guy from #ubuntu to ask here. |
| [18:43:53] | wagnerrp: | are you wanting to use these devices with mythtv? |
| [18:44:46] | guilhermeblanco: | wagnerrp: no (I don't even know how to buy it here)... but one guy from #ubuntu told me that you're the experts in TV cards on Linux... |
| [18:44:50] | sphery: | iamlindoro: thanks for the suggestion on window title... seems to work great |
| [18:45:05] | wagnerrp: | if youre not going to be using mythtv, youre in the wrong place |
| [18:45:08] | iamlindoro: | I win the internet! |
| [18:45:15] | wagnerrp: | #linuxtv are the experts in TV cards on Linux |
| [18:45:18] | sphery: | guilhermeblanco: the real experts are http://linuxtv.org/wiki/ |
| [18:45:25] | wagnerrp: | theyre the project that writes the drivers |
| [18:46:03] | guilhermeblanco: | wagnerrp: thanks for the info |
| [18:46:39] | wagnerrp: | guilhermeblanco: that channel, and sphery's link are the same group, but youre more likely to find information quickly by going to their wiki |
| [18:47:22] | guilhermeblanco: | wagnerrp: ok... I'm already researching on wiki. Thanks a lot |
| [18:48:20] | sphery: | iamlindoro: 7 files changed, 31 insertions(+), 70 deletions(-) |
| [18:48:40] | sphery: | just from a keybinding masquerading as a setting |
| [18:50:22] | ** sphery really wants to apply this patch ** | |
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| [19:11:59] | justdave: | I found the answer to my question from the wee hours this morning when nobody was here to answer it. :) |
| [19:12:07] | justdave: | grepping the source for the win. :) |
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| [19:12:45] | justdave: | when in direct filesystem browse mode, MythVideo will grab whatever the first image file is that it finds in a directory to use as the thumbnail for the directory itself |
| [19:13:11] | justdave: | when you switch to storage groups it no longer works (because it can't just scan the directory on the remote server) |
| [19:13:26] | justdave: | the answer is that when using storage groups it looks for a specific filename |
| [19:13:41] | justdave: | needs to be "folder.XXX" where XXX is one of the supported image types |
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| [19:18:09] | wagnerrp: | justdave: it can scan the directory on the remote server just fine |
| [19:18:17] | wagnerrp: | how else would the file scan work |
| [19:18:39] | justdave: | because the files are in the database |
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| [19:18:54] | wagnerrp: | you have to scan the directory to get the files into the database in the first place |
| [19:18:55] | sphery: | I think it was just designed that way--no metadata, no metadata-based art |
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| [19:19:28] | wagnerrp: | mythtv just doesnt, because running a scan on each directory, every time it needed to do an image hunt, would be inefficient |
| [19:19:44] | wagnerrp: | so it just hunts through the images bound to videos it finds in that directory |
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| [19:20:14] | justdave: | yeah, just more efficient to only look for a specific file when it knows it's remote I guess |
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| [19:20:36] | wagnerrp: | no, not a specific file |
| [19:20:43] | wagnerrp: | it will hunt through the images defined in the database |
| [19:20:52] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: folder.xxx will work with SGs |
| [19:20:53] | wagnerrp: | if a folder.xxx is not provided |
| [19:20:54] | justdave: | it's a specific file, I was just looking at the source. |
| [19:21:11] | wagnerrp: | right, but the image hunt runs if it doesnt find that, right? |
| [19:21:13] | justdave: | I'm talking about folders, not files |
| [19:21:24] | justdave: | no, the image hunt doesn't run if it's using storage groups |
| [19:21:30] | justdave: | only if you're using local files |
| [19:21:41] | justdave: | if it's using storage groups it only looks for folder.xxx |
| [19:21:43] | iamlindoro: | You are both saying the same thing, albeit justdave is using the wrong temrinology |
| [19:21:49] | iamlindoro: | justdave: image hunt is not what you think it is |
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| [19:22:05] | iamlindoro: | at least, not when we talk about it-- you can blame me, since I made up the terminology |
| [19:22:07] | justdave: | ok. :) yeah, I don't know all the terminology. |
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| [19:22:40] | justdave: | to me, "image hunt" means "scan the directory looking for the first image file you find or grab the thumbnail from the first video" |
| [19:22:46] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, point being justdave is talking about the folder.xxx grab (which does supercede the image hunt) and wagnerrp is talking about the *metadata* image hunt, which occurs when no folder.xxx is there |
| [19:22:53] | iamlindoro: | Right, that's not how we use it |
| [19:23:08] | wagnerrp: | justdave: the 'image hunt' im referring to is mythvideo searching through all video found directly below that folder, and grabbing the image from the first video it finds that has one |
| [19:23:25] | justdave: | yeah, and it doesn't recurse directories |
| [19:23:35] | wagnerrp: | sort of |
| [19:23:40] | iamlindoro: | As to why it doesn't do the "grab any image" hunt in SGs, it's been a good while since I wrote that part, but I believe at the time it was for efficiency reasons-- I believe it took bloody forever |
| [19:23:45] | johnnyj: | i saw a business card in a mens room (wedged into the mirror frame) that said: "Destroy your porn collection" |
| [19:23:48] | justdave: | so if you have a directory that only contains other directories, you get a black square with a ? unless you drop an image file into the directory |
| [19:23:52] | iamlindoro: | It will recurse two levels-- in certain cases |
| [19:24:05] | wagnerrp: | it will search through any videos in a second level, if those videos are the same title as the grandparent folder |
| [19:24:16] | iamlindoro: | if the intermediate directory is "Season #", then it will go down one more. But then the grandchild and grandparent titles must match |
| [19:24:26] | iamlindoro: | ie, Glee->Season 1->Glee |
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| [19:25:20] | iamlindoro: | There's also a integer variable (maxrecurse I think) that you can set to some obscene amount if you really want it to go nuts recursing |
| [19:25:29] | justdave: | heh |
| [19:25:34] | iamlindoro: | but you'll quickly see why it's a bad idea both for speed and unpredictability reasons |
| [19:25:56] | justdave: | yeah, I think dropping image files into the directories is probably better for performance. :) |
| [19:26:18] | wagnerrp: | certainly, because then it will completely bypass the image hunt |
| [19:26:34] | iamlindoro: | for coverart, anyway |
| [19:26:52] | iamlindoro: | (image hunt does all image types, the override only works for folder/cover art) |
| [19:28:19] | johnnyj: | oh – I wasn't aware tickets discussion was not welcomed in tickets – it makes sense now that i know how active irc is |
| [19:28:52] | ** iamlindoro wonders where johnnyj has been ** | |
| [19:28:58] | wagnerrp: | johnnyj: any discussion of tickets should go on the mythtv-dev mailing list list |
| [19:29:00] | johnnyj: | this is my public apology |
| [19:29:21] | johnnyj: | iamlindoro: under a rock |
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| [19:34:48] | wagnerrp: | manual HTML parsing sucks hard |
| [19:34:57] | ** wagnerrp starts adding dependencies to the python bindings ** | |
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| [19:36:16] | ** iamlindoro also wonders why johnnyj hates the GL theme painter ** | |
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| [19:40:53] | johnnyj: | am I supposed to switch to GL? |
| [19:41:14] | johnnyj: | i frequently get confused |
| [19:42:18] | wagnerrp: | thats the plan |
| [19:42:25] | johnnyj: | it's working |
| [19:42:43] | mag0o: | i switched to GEICO and saved a bunch of money |
| [19:42:52] | johnnyj: | the gl i preferred – i remember now |
| [19:43:04] | dewman: | I always get confused! |
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| [19:48:31] | dewman: | do i need to have my recording directories network mounted on my slave backend in order for it to pick up some of the trans-coding? |
| [19:49:57] | wagnerrp: | playback and commflagging? no... recording and transcoding? yes |
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| [19:50:35] | iamlindoro: | Heh, what unholy hell conversation could I unleash by committing this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/420634/ |
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| [19:50:48] | dewman: | ahh... ok....that explains why the transcoding bombed but the commflagging didnt.. |
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| [19:53:54] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: not really sure what good it would do, besides spur on a storm of incorrect speculation |
| [19:54:05] | iamlindoro: | Not necessarily incorrect |
| [19:54:15] | dewman: | wagnerrp, nfs for mounting? |
| [19:54:29] | mag0o: | Ooo, bd |
| [19:54:30] | mag0o: | hehe |
| [19:54:49] | mag0o: | now, to transfer all of my vhs to bd |
| [19:54:50] | wagnerrp: | i mean you would be able to say 'thats a bluray disk', but you still couldnt actually do anything with it |
| [19:54:54] | jarle: | Is there some documentation on the meaning of the different letters on the right hand side of the Previously recorded screen? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Manage . . . sly_Recorded doesn't seem to cover it... |
| [19:54:55] | iamlindoro: | Sure you can |
| [19:55:11] | wagnerrp: | only if its home-made, with no encryption |
| [19:55:15] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [19:55:22] | mag0o: | jarle: press I |
| [19:55:30] | iamlindoro: | Or a decrypted copy of a disk structure |
| [19:55:35] | mag0o: | (i think) |
| [19:55:42] | iamlindoro: | ie, a direct copy from an AnyDVD HD mount |
| [19:56:31] | wagnerrp: | is that code used for the VIDEO_TS folders on hard drive? |
| [19:56:32] | jarle: | mag0o: doesn't seem to work (on 0.22 atleast..) |
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| [19:57:02] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I haven't traced it all the way forward to the player yet, but presumably |
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| [19:58:33] | mag0o: | i may be thinking in the recording playback |
| [19:59:05] | wagnerrp: | jarle: 'f1'? |
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| [20:00:35] | jarle: | wagnerrp: I have tried that to without success... |
| [20:01:44] | mag0o: | P = previously recorded, E = earlier showing(?) R = Will record |
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| [20:02:40] | mag0o: | that's just my educated guess |
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| [20:02:52] | mag0o: | it's been a while since i've used that screen |
| [20:03:42] | jarle: | mag0o: I see both "F" and "f" and "O"... |
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| [20:57:39] | johnnyj: | ugh – windows updates |
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| [20:59:17] | sphery: | clever: so now you can put in hundreds/thousands of hours of development time so you don't have to buy another $30 analog card :) |
| [20:59:34] | sphery: | er, hundreds/thousdans of dollars worth of time |
| [20:59:53] | clever: | it would still be usefull for when you have multiple cards |
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| [21:00:07] | sphery: | if you have enough cards, you never need it |
| [21:00:31] | clever: | so if i want to record back2back on 2 channels at once and have soft-padding do its job, i need 4 cards? |
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| [21:00:35] | sphery: | it might save you STB rental cost, so at $5/mo, that's $60/yr, so how long 'til you break even? :) |
| [21:00:51] | sphery: | soft-padding doesn't exist |
| [21:00:54] | sphery: | you'd need /hard/ padding |
| [21:01:08] | sphery: | but yeah, with hard padding on both sides, 4 cards would handle that |
| [21:01:12] | clever: | hard-padding would cause conflicts |
| [21:01:17] | clever: | so half the shows wont even be able to record |
| [21:01:24] | clever: | which would be even worse |
| [21:01:25] | sphery: | not if you have sufficient cards |
| [21:01:28] | sphery: | which is the whole point |
| [21:01:33] | clever: | id still need 4 cards at that point |
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| [21:01:37] | sphery: | right |
| [21:01:39] | clever: | to record 2 channels |
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| [21:01:45] | clever: | which makes no sense |
| [21:01:50] | sphery: | 4 cards for hard padding on both sides of 2 back-to-back recordings |
| [21:02:03] | clever: | 2 cards should be able to do it just fine |
| [21:02:13] | tgm4883: | sounds like you need to go digital |
| [21:02:15] | sphery: | anyway, you've been told what needs done, so feel free to do it |
| [21:02:19] | sphery: | tgm4883: ++ |
| [21:02:28] | clever: | tgm4883: ive tried firewire, i get nothing at all |
| [21:02:35] | sphery: | he'll likely do that sometime after upgrading his Pentium II |
| [21:02:48] | sphery: | :) |
| [21:02:49] | tgm4883: | clever, I didn't say firewire, you need to grab digital channels |
| [21:03:02] | tgm4883: | but I'm guessing you are trying to come from an STB? |
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| [21:03:07] | clever: | and dvb-c cards wont get the hd stuff that my STB can only decode |
| [21:03:20] | sphery: | but really, if it's worth the amount of your time it will take to make the changes, feel free to do it and many users will be happy |
| [21:03:33] | clever: | this kind of framework would also help with hd-pvr encoders |
| [21:03:34] | sphery: | IMHO, the cards are /significantly/ cheaper (even if you have additional STB rentals) |
| [21:03:39] | clever: | which can only encode 1 stream at once |
| [21:03:48] | sphery: | right |
| [21:03:53] | sphery: | many users will be happy |
| [21:03:54] | clever: | do you want to rent 2 STB's and buy a pair of hd-pvr's just so you can back2back 1 channel?? |
| [21:03:58] | tgm4883: | clever, what are you trying to develop? |
| [21:04:07] | iamlindoro: | his next closed ticket |
| [21:04:09] | sphery: | you're donating a very valuable chunk of your time to save each of them a little bit of money |
| [21:04:12] | clever: | tgm4883: allow overlaping recordings of the SAME CHANNEL from a single tuner |
| [21:04:18] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [21:04:40] | sphery: | clever: I also find that back to back recordings work fine without any overlap |
| [21:04:54] | clever: | sphery: if the card can stop&restart capture fast enough, yes |
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| [21:05:15] | sphery: | clever: or at the proper time |
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| [21:05:28] | clever: | mine just blindly restarts at x:00:00 |
| [21:05:32] | GrahamIRC: | and assuming the broadcaster sticks to the schedules exactly |
| [21:05:39] | clever: | and depending on how well the network is sync'd, that may be right at the wrong time |
| [21:05:42] | tgm4883: | note that I know little about how the backend records, but it seems like you could make it so the backend has tuned to the channel, then while the overlap is occuring, it would need to write to two separate files at the same time |
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| [21:05:53] | tgm4883: | you would probably need to work on the scheduler as well for that |
| [21:05:58] | tgm4883: | seems complicated |
| [21:06:12] | sphery: | yes, and if your cable co is delaying the broadcast when rebroadcasting, you'd have to take that into account (though you only have one-minute granularity, so it may not be possible) |
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| [21:06:30] | tgm4883: | I think i'll stick with my digital tuners |
| [21:06:49] | sphery: | but basically, I'm just saying the problems you're trying to solve don't apply to me at all, so they would be much higher priority for you than me :) |
| [21:06:50] | clever: | soft/hard padding is about the only way to easily deal with those delays |
| [21:06:57] | clever: | and doing it well means doubling your tuner count |
| [21:07:20] | sphery: | hard padding |
| [21:07:25] | sphery: | soft padding should not exit |
| [21:07:27] | sphery: | exist |
| [21:07:44] | sphery: | hard pad and with sufficient cards (or "virtual cards") you're good |
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| [21:10:47] | clever: | i just dont see a need to double your tuner count to solve a software limit |
| [21:11:46] | sphery: | you're doubling your tuner count by making virtual tuners for analog cards |
| [21:11:59] | sphery: | that means hard padding will work |
| [21:12:14] | clever: | can myth add virtual tuners to analog cards? |
| [21:12:29] | tgm4883: | clever, well it's simple. The developers that work on MythTV do not have this issue. As this is a feature request and not a bug, they are not excited to work on it (which I don't blame them, there are other more important things to work on). As this feature is held high in your mind, the ball is in your court to submit a patch for this addition |
| [21:12:40] | sphery: | clever: not until you write your patch |
| [21:12:59] | sphery: | clever: in other words, it would need to use the same framework that's in place--not be some random new code |
| [21:13:18] | clever: | sphery: i know, i need to learn how the current framework is made so i dont have to replace it fully with my ide |
| [21:13:22] | clever: | a |
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| [21:14:02] | sphery: | yeah, that's what danielk's message was about |
| [21:14:09] | cipher42: | anyone know why i get decode_slice_header error on my backend? |
| [21:14:28] | clever: | sphery: didnt see his msg |
| [21:14:36] | cipher42: | seems like an AFD Error: Unknown decoding error shouldn't happen on the backend? |
| [21:14:37] | sphery: | the one gigem quoted |
| [21:14:41] | clever: | ah |
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| [21:15:22] | sphery: | cipher42: backends do commflagging, transcoding, and preview generation--all of which require decoding |
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| [21:15:47] | sphery: | cipher42: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6729 |
| [21:16:53] | sphery: | cipher42: if you don't like it, either don't use -v general logging (i.e. no default log options, use -v important only) or apply the patch on there--which may or may not be used as is and may or may not work |
| [21:17:04] | sphery: | the patch being log_count_repeats_24221.patch |
| [21:17:26] | Greek-Boy: | any of you seen this baby? |
| [21:17:27] | Greek-Boy: | http://www.netup.tv/en-EN/dual_dvb-s2-ci_card.php |
| [21:17:29] | Greek-Boy: | :-) |
| [21:17:34] | Greek-Boy: | big price tag though |
| [21:17:35] | Greek-Boy: | :-( |
| [21:17:41] | cipher42: | holy crap, mythcommflag is using 99% cpu |
| [21:18:04] | clever: | cipher42: sounds normal |
| [21:18:23] | GrahamIRC: | if the cycles are available why wouldn't it? |
| [21:18:35] | cipher42: | can you turn that off in mythtv-setup ? |
| [21:18:48] | sphery: | if it's run by the backend, that would be normal for some settings of "CPU Usage" for the job queue |
| [21:18:52] | clever: | cipher42: its supposed to use all available cpu power |
| [21:18:57] | sphery: | if you have it set to Low it won't do that |
| [21:19:07] | Wicked: | cipher42, yea. when you schedule a show for recording set it to not be flagged for commercials |
| [21:19:08] | sphery: | if you have it set to Medium, it will only do that if nothing else is using the CPU. |
| [21:19:14] | sphery: | if you have it set to High, it will always do that |
| [21:19:30] | cipher42: | set it in mythtv-setup ? |
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| [21:19:42] | sphery: | cipher42: so either set it to Low or don't worry about it if it's medium because you're just using idle processor time |
| [21:19:46] | sphery: | cipher42: yes |
| [21:19:46] | Greek-Boy: | is a DVB-S multiplex a transponder? |
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| [21:19:52] | cipher42: | thanks |
| [21:20:00] | sphery: | General settings, many pages in |
| [21:23:43] | cipher42: | all i see is what command to use for commercials |
| [21:24:56] | cipher42: | ok i see CPU usage |
| [21:25:00] | cipher42: | it's on low |
| [21:25:53] | cipher42: | doesn't seem like it actually takes commercials out though |
| [21:27:05] | clever: | cipher42: it just flags them so you can skip with the home/end keys |
| [21:27:42] | cipher42: | the decoding errors have gone away since i turned mythcommflag off |
| [21:27:43] | cipher42: | weird |
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| [21:56:16] | johnnyj: | did the logging notice go away ? |
| [21:56:25] | wagnerrp: | logging notice? |
| [21:57:09] | johnnyj: | earlier today when i connected it said this channel is logged at: and gives the link |
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| [21:57:26] | johnnyj: | i dont see it now |
| [21:57:33] | wagnerrp: | the log bot is still here, it probably recognized you and decided it didnt need to tell you twice |
| [21:57:39] | johnnyj: | oh |
| [21:57:43] | johnnyj: | ok |
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| [22:00:47] | johnnyj: | well im glad that's all settled |
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| [22:12:56] | Dibblah: | WTH? Pinnacle 82410110301 – well that just rolls off the tongue. |
| [22:17:16] | wagnerrp: | im sure thats like the 'hauppauge 1212' |
| [22:17:45] | wagnerrp: | a model number for users who, for some reason or another, refuse to use the actual product name |
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| [22:18:29] | wagnerrp: | now why he bothered to post such a thing to the mythtv mailing list... thats anyone's guess |
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| [22:20:26] | Dibblah: | h.264 hardware encoder is interesting to a few. |
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| [22:20:55] | wagnerrp: | is it h264? or is it mpeg4 (asp)? |
| [22:21:28] | Dibblah: | High-quality MPEG-4 encoding in H.264 at up to 720x480/576 (NTSC/PAL) resolution |
| [22:22:16] | wagnerrp: | so it is |
| [22:22:30] | wagnerrp: | so it has about the same power as a midrange C2D running x264 |
| [22:23:15] | wagnerrp: | but still, you cant possibly interface it with mythtv |
| [22:23:32] | wagnerrp: | so its of questionable worth on a mythtv support mailing list |
| [22:23:43] | sphery: | so you can save $100 and not buy that extra 2TB HDD--and fit an extra 500hr on the same 2TB HDD you already have? |
| [22:24:19] | Dibblah: | wagnerrp: "can't possibly"? |
| [22:24:29] | Dibblah: | It has a USB host and a USB device port. |
| [22:24:35] | wagnerrp: | Dibblah: correct, you cannot record to a PC |
| [22:25:09] | sphery: | or wait... If a 2TB HDD can hold 1000hrs of MPEG-2 SDTV at pretty good quality, it would allow you to fix up to an extra 1000hrs of TV on the same 2TB drive |
| [22:25:35] | sphery: | another case of focusing on "optimizing" something that doesn't need optimizing? |
| [22:25:36] | wagnerrp: | you can only record to a PSP, iPod, or usb2.0 fat32 drive |
| [22:26:06] | sphery: | ah, for encoding for mobiles |
| [22:26:24] | sphery: | makes more sense than just saving storage on SDTV recordings |
| [22:26:49] | wagnerrp: | right, this is PC-less capture |
| [22:27:04] | Dibblah: | Interesting device nonetheless. |
| [22:27:08] | wagnerrp: | it makes sense for its intended purpose |
| [22:27:13] | wagnerrp: | and has nothing to do with mythtv |
| [22:27:54] | Dibblah: | And that's the same as at least 15% of the ML. |
| [22:28:03] | sphery: | heh, true |
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| [22:31:10] | Greek-Boy: | does MythTV now benefit from multi-core processors? |
| [22:31:13] | Greek-Boy: | quad-core? |
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| [22:31:47] | sphery: | always has |
| [22:31:57] | sphery: | video decoding, however, not so much |
| [22:32:04] | sphery: | except in a few very specific circumstances |
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| [22:35:09] | Greek-Boy: | right.... |
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| [22:37:44] | Azelphur: | trying to configure mythfrontend to access the backend, I changed the settings in Setup > Setup > General, but in the terminal I can still see it trying to connect to 127.0.0.1 |
| [22:37:52] | Azelphur: | is there some other place I have to tell it to change too? |
| [22:39:14] | clever: | Azelphur: did you set the master backend ip properly? |
| [22:39:27] | Azelphur: | where is that setting? |
| [22:39:49] | clever: | i think its in general under mythfrontend, but it might be under mythtv-setup |
| [22:40:43] | Azelphur: | yea, that's where I changed it, Utilities/Setup > Setup > General > Hostname is set to 192.168.1.9 |
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| [22:40:57] | Azelphur: | but in the terminal I can see it still trying to connect to 127.0.0.1 |
| [22:41:02] | clever: | you need to make sure the MASTER host is also set right |
| [22:41:11] | Azelphur: | where is that? |
| [22:41:16] | clever: | i think its in general under mythfrontend, but it might be under mythtv-setup |
| [22:41:36] | Azelphur: | mythtv-setup on the backend or frontend? |
| [22:41:46] | clever: | on any system |
| [22:41:54] | clever: | the master ip is global to the network |
| [22:43:12] | Azelphur: | ah I see, it has to be changed in the backend |
| [22:43:27] | clever: | as for the real master, the 'master ip' must match its own ip |
| [22:43:33] | clever: | or it wont be master |
| [22:43:47] | Azelphur: | yea, changed it to 192.168.1.9 everywhere so that should make it work |
| [22:44:03] | clever: | and youll probly want to restart the master after changing that |
| [22:44:06] | clever: | to make sure its set right |
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| [22:50:56] | Azelphur: | clever: I seem to be getting errors running mythfilldatabase now, http://pastebin.com/WFvC401g :( |
| [22:52:13] | clever: | Azelphur: the backend isnt responding fast enough |
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| [22:52:28] | clever: | it took over 7 seconds so mythfilldatabase gave up |
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| [22:52:37] | Azelphur: | clever: no reason why, the box is is at 0% cpu |
| [22:53:22] | clever: | read lines 46,47 of the paste |
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| [22:53:44] | Azelphur: | I see |
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| [22:53:52] | Azelphur: | well it's not hardware failure because I'm vncing the box now |
| [22:53:59] | Azelphur: | and it's not deadlocked...because I'm vncing the box now |
| [22:54:00] | clever: | backend logs |
| [22:54:18] | Azelphur: | where they at? |
| [22:54:40] | clever: | wherever you (or your distro) set it to be |
| [22:54:51] | clever: | might be in /var/log/ |
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| [22:56:07] | Greek-Boy: | which intel CPU is currently the best for a HD MythTV box that will be a backend and frontend in one? |
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| [22:56:39] | Azelphur: | clever: got it to work, restarted the backend and it seems ok now |
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| [22:57:21] | Greek-Boy: | should I go just for 2 cores and higher clock speed? |
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| [23:01:00] | Azelphur: | clever: yay next fun problem now, frontend connects, spams me with X Errors when I hit watch TV |
| [23:01:21] | clever: | name one of the errors |
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| [23:01:44] | Azelphur: | X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8 | Extension: 132 (Uknown extension) | Minor opcode: 19 (Unknown request) | Resource id: 0x136 |
| [23:01:48] | Azelphur: | it just spams that |
| [23:01:58] | clever: | not sure about that one |
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| [23:13:50] | wagnerrp: | Greek-Boy: previously, it was a high clock speed single core, since you needed ~3GHz or so for the HDPVR, and that in a quad core was extremely expensive |
| [23:14:16] | wagnerrp: | now, thats down to ~2.5GHz for a C2, and something a bit lower for a Ci3/5/7 |
| [23:15:03] | wagnerrp: | so pretty much any modern intel chip or any higher rate AMD chip for HDPVR |
| [23:15:24] | wagnerrp: | for hddvd/bluray playback, you still want tri/quad-core |
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| [23:23:57] | Azelphur: | Managed to get it partially working, it seems to be a side effect of me running twinview |
| [23:24:18] | Azelphur: | XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS="1" mythfrontend -w --geometry 1920x1200 gets it working |
| [23:25:01] | Azelphur: | but the video seems to get the wrong aspect ratio, it looks like it's trying to pull off 32:9 |
| [23:25:11] | Azelphur: | since I have 2 16:9 monitors |
| [23:25:26] | Azelphur: | (but the mythfrontend is only running on one of them, so it results in a really weird picture) |
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| [23:35:03] | Greek-Boy: | thanks wagnerrp: I guess I'll be going for quad-core then |
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| [23:36:03] | Greek-Boy: | specifically, i'm going for an Intel Core i7 930 |
| [23:36:15] | Greek-Boy: | quad-core 2.80GHz |
| [23:36:31] | Greek-Boy: | 8MB L3 cache |
| [23:36:32] | Greek-Boy: | :-) |
| [23:38:11] | wagnerrp: | thats likely overkill for anything mythtv might want |
| [23:38:26] | wagnerrp: | unless youre looking to do a lot of transcoding (and not with mythtranscode) |
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| [23:40:32] | Greek-Boy: | its overkill but that CPU is not much expensive than others |
| [23:40:45] | Greek-Boy: | it will make the box more futureproof |
| [23:40:54] | Greek-Boy: | and i'm going for a Silverstone enclosure |
| [23:41:13] | Greek-Boy: | going for the LC20 |
| [23:41:14] | Greek-Boy: | http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p_cont . . . amp;area=usa |
| [23:42:07] | wagnerrp: | a big'un |
| [23:42:37] | wagnerrp: | 'six hard drive capacity for up to 3 terabytes' |
| [23:42:45] | wagnerrp: | that page obviously hasnt been updated recently |
| [23:42:54] | Greek-Boy: | yeah |
| [23:42:55] | Greek-Boy: | lol |
| [23:42:57] | Greek-Boy: | i noticed that too |
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| [23:44:19] | Greek-Boy: | i'm off to bed |
| [23:44:23] | Greek-Boy: | later |
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| [23:45:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: does that mean you've decided it will always download all scripts or is it just getting the what links here, then offering options? |
| [23:46:25] | wagnerrp: | always all, no way around it with out precaching the basic info on another page |
| [23:46:38] | wagnerrp: | however i will have some form of local cache |
| [23:46:43] | wagnerrp: | so it only pulls it once |
| [23:46:57] | wagnerrp: | and then pulls from /tmp or something for the next ~20min or so |
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| [23:47:06] | sphery: | I meant that it reads the what links here, then gets a list of pages, then lists the pages and asks the user which one(s) they want |
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| [23:47:47] | wagnerrp: | it reads the links, and then pulls a copy of each of those links to get that 'Script_info' template |
| [23:48:15] | sphery: | even just a: ./get_script http://mythtv.org/wiki/Change-channel-lirc.sh would be good enough, probably |
| [23:48:37] | sphery: | yeah, just thinking that the names of the pages should be descriptive enough for the user (who has already decided what they want) to decide |
| [23:48:58] | sphery: | I guess it's not that big a deal either way |
| [23:49:10] | clever: | maybe an index listing descriptions and url's to dl from |
| [23:49:39] | wagnerrp: | clever: right, some other page that caches that information that it pulls a list from instead |
| [23:49:40] | sphery: | it would be nice if there were a way that we could get the Category:Scripts page to show a description along with the page name |
| [23:50:15] | sphery: | so http://mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Scripts with an auto-populated description made from a tag on the page |
| [23:50:20] | sphery: | but I don't think MW does that |
| [23:50:33] | wagnerrp: | we could register a bot that would scrape any script pages, and populate something else once ever ten minutes or so |
| [23:50:45] | sphery: | that's a cool idea |
| [23:50:51] | wagnerrp: | registered bots do not show up on the revision history |
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| [23:51:02] | wagnerrp: | so no worry about that flooding things |
| [23:51:09] | clever: | might be more efficient to scrape the main history page, to know what hasnt changed and doesnt need a re-scrape |
| [23:51:09] | sphery: | just thinking that there's getting to be a lot of stuff in there, so if it downloads all of it, a user could easily get lost |
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| [23:51:32] | sphery: | even a once/day bot wouldn't be bad |
| [23:51:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the plan is to download everything, and put it in a cache file in /tmp |
| [23:51:53] | wagnerrp: | then provide a list and description of all files to the user |
| [23:52:00] | wagnerrp: | at which point the user can specify a script |
| [23:52:08] | wagnerrp: | and it will pull the file out of the temp cache |
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| [23:52:17] | wagnerrp: | or they can request the long description |
| [23:52:20] | sphery: | since it's only a bot to help the "easy download" and once a script is in there, it would be downloadable even if the page changes (sure the description might be wrong, but unless we move pages/add pages, the info would be good enough) |
| [23:52:25] | sphery: | for a day at least |
| [23:52:52] | skd5aner: | sorry, litterally just jumping in and reading the last few lines – we talking about a bot that syncs scripts from the wiki on a user's machine? |
| [23:52:53] | sphery: | ah, so the user wouldn't see everything every time |
| [23:53:03] | sphery: | at least in the cwd, they'd only see the scripts they want |
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| [23:53:09] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: not exactly, just one that provides a simple way to access them |
| [23:53:10] | sphery: | that's not too bad |
| [23:53:16] | sphery: | we can always improve things later, too |
| [23:53:26] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: OK, more of a "here's what's out there, and here's what's changed" type of thing? |
| [23:53:27] | wagnerrp: | since theyre being removed from contrib |
| [23:53:34] | skd5aner: | right... |
| [23:53:46] | wagnerrp: | more of a 'heres whats out there, select what you want me to download for you' |
| [23:54:13] | sphery: | yeah, basically so a user doesn't have to copy/paste the contents of a code box into a blank file |
| [23:54:25] | skd5aner: | That makes more sense – I was thinking, the downside to an auto-update feature for scripts pulled from the wiki could be dangerous. People could go out and break them, or add something malicious in, etc... |
| [23:54:31] | sphery: | (and, accidentially break the script in the process due to their editor's auto-formatting or whatever) |
| [23:54:57] | sphery: | skd5aner: so, for example, to use: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Mythname.pl , you have to copy/paste that into a file on your machine |
| [23:55:00] | wagnerrp: | yeah, vim always causes problems with me with auto-indentation |
| [23:55:18] | skd5aner: | sphery: yup, bleh |
| [23:55:24] | clever: | wagnerrp: :set paste |
| [23:55:40] | sphery: | clever: I know that. You know that. Does /every/ MythTV user know that? |
| [23:55:58] | clever: | just pointing it out incase he didnt |
| [23:56:10] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i just always forget to do it |
| [23:56:14] | sphery: | clever: besides, if you know what you're doing, it's F10 (and F11 does the :set nopaste)--and both work in either insert or command mode (ok, any key--I just use F10/F11) |
| [23:56:14] | clever: | same |
| [23:56:17] | sphery: | ;) |
| [23:56:32] | clever: | i always had to exit to get the thing back to normal ;P |
| [23:56:34] | clever: | thanks:) |
| [23:56:45] | janneg: | still wondering why vim doesn't activate it automatically if it detects more than 193 chars/ms |
| [23:56:50] | clever: | although those keys dont seem to be bound, but nopaste will do |
| [23:57:15] | clever: | janneg: irssi falsely detect that alot for me, so /wi<tab>123 winds up being detected as a paste and failing |
| [23:57:49] | sphery: | clever: you have to configure vim |
| [23:57:59] | sphery: | like I said, "any key you want, I just use F10/F11) |
| [23:58:06] | clever: | sphery: yeah, i need to get around to getting my vimrc files all done up right |
| [23:58:21] | clever: | right now i'm making a python script to balance the SG's |
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| [23:59:19] | wagnerrp: | clever: unless youre using NFS, that can only be done on a single machine currently |
| [23:59:32] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah NFS everywhere |
| [23:59:49] | wagnerrp: | the file transfer stuff in the bindings (and mythprotocol in general) is rather limited in write capacity |
| [23:59:54] | clever: | that reminds me, i should add checks for .islocal |
| [23:59:55] | sphery: | clever: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/Yr44Wbv1 |
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