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wagnerrp: |
iamlindoro: you think anyone would object to http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1870672 ? |
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wagnerrp: |
i asked in the dev channel a week or two back, and never got any response |
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iamlindoro: |
wagnerrp, I wouldn't imagine so, I like that change |
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iamlindoro: |
I bet sphery agrees |
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wagnerrp: |
im just fed up with trying to search for 'python' and getting flooded with nothing but --version outputs |
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kormoc: |
wagnerrp: +1 |
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sphery: |
wagnerrp: definitely!!!! then we can joke about people pasting that into the description |
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iamlindoro: |
there you go, all agree :) |
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wagnerrp: |
sounds good |
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sphery: |
"as a file", perhaps? |
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sphery: |
wagnerrp: you may motivate me to go back and see about putting DB Schema Version into --version output (since we now have it split out of mythcontext, it may be possible) |
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nwidger: |
is there a way to make mythmusic have the 'repeat' option set to 'none' by default? it's really, really annoying to have the album im playing repeat itself by default. |
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innatech: |
Hey everyone! No heart attacks today--just curious about front end synch. I take it MFD is officially dead? Is there anything else on the horizon? Can I kludge something up outside of myth itself, maybe? I could live with one "live" frontend and then a bunch of synched slaves trailing behind it by a few seconds. |
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wagnerrp: |
what do you think 'MFD' is? |
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innatech: |
"Myth Frontend Daemon" according to the listserv archives. Now pulled from the repos. |
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wagnerrp: |
mfd = mythfilldatabase, the program that gathers all your listing data and pushes it into the guide tables |
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innatech: |
see //www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-users@mythtv.org/msg23981.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-users@myth . . . sg23981.html |
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innatech: |
I guess the acronym is deprecated too. |
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wagnerrp: |
no... mythfilldatabase came first |
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iamlindoro: |
innatech, Nobody in that thread is a myth dev |
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iamlindoro: |
And no such program was ever a part of our repos |
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innatech: |
ah. I'll make a note of it. But to the point--nothing like this ever happened, right? |
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iamlindoro: |
correct |
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innatech: |
OK. Good enough. I'll what I can slap together outside of myth for recorded content, then. |
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iamlindoro: |
every year or two someone turns up and says how "easy" it will be, then disappears to "implement" it, only to presumably find that nothing is as easy as people delude themselves into thinking |
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iamlindoro: |
key phrases include "all we need" and "all we have to do" |
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wagnerrp: |
innatech: video is easy, your eyes arent cant really focus on both screens at the same time to notice a problem |
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innatech: |
gah--I think it'd be anything but easy to do correctly. Without wiser heads, I'm just thinking about doing it with VLC. |
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wagnerrp: |
the problem is audio |
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wagnerrp: |
and audio needs to be timed down to a couple milliseconds or else youre going to notice the offset |
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innatech: |
wagnerrp: quite. The whole saga with eyetv and airfoil makes it clear that it's non trivial too. |
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wagnerrp: |
that level of synchronization is surprisingly difficult to pull off over standard ethernet |
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wagnerrp: |
thats why professional hardware that is designed to do something like this use an external timing pulse |
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nwidger: |
does anyone know where the "RepeatMode" column in the "settings" table went? |
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innatech: |
way over my head to try and solve it directly--I'm probably looking at best-effort VLC multicast. I think it has some kind of synch, but I haven't looked at it in years. Last time I tried was for whole house audio--I broke down and bought an FM xmitter kit instead. |
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wagnerrp: |
multicast offers no level of synchronization |
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wagnerrp: |
everything is supposed to be receiving stuff at the same time |
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sphery: |
nwidger: it saves the setting when you change the repeat mode |
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wagnerrp: |
but there is no guarantee how quickly the network hardware will actually pass the data on |
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innatech: |
I thought I read about something in or layered onto VLC that tried to synch--maybe using NTP? But like I said it made my head swim. |
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nwidger: |
sphery: no it doesnt. |
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sphery: |
yes it does |
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wagnerrp: |
nor is there any control over how large of a playback buffer will be used on the separate devices |
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sphery: |
http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythmusic#Useful_keys_to_know |
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nwidger: |
sphery: no it doesnt. i have to change it to 'none' every time i start up my computer |
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** sphery guesses someone has been editing DB settings directly and broke it ** |
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nwidger: |
sphery: i have done no such thing |
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innatech: |
yes...plenty of other problems to run into along the way as well, I'm sure. I'll probably poke at it for a while and then give up. But I thought I'd ask. |
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sphery: |
nwidger: then you're not exiting mythmusic? |
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nwidger: |
sphery: i have even found the table entry where it saves the setting, the wiki says it's "RepeatMode" in the "settings" table, but there's no such entry. |
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wagnerrp: |
innatech: something like that would be a capacity built into the player itself, dependent on NTP keeping the time precisely... but nothing directly to do with multicast |
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nwidger: |
sphery: what do you mean? |
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wagnerrp: |
innatech: basically, mythtv frontends always have been, and always will be completely independent |
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wagnerrp: |
innatech: the closest i see to something like that capacity ever being introduced into mythtv would be the concept of a 'session' |
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innatech: |
wagnerrp: that's my loose understanding. I don't know if it was someones experimental extension of VLC, or another component, or what. Definitely not myth aware. |
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wagnerrp: |
where you would store a state on one frontend, and then resume that state on another frontend |
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nwidger: |
sphery: ill go into mythmusic and change it to 'none', then at some point ill reboot my computer and go back into mythmusic and it's been set back to 'all'. |
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sphery: |
all I mean is that in the destructor of the plugin, it says: if (m_repeatMode == REPEAT_TRACK) gContext->SaveSetting("RepeatMode", "track"); else if (m_repeatMode == REPEAT_ALL) gContext->SaveSetting("RepeatMode", "all"); else gContext->SaveSetting("RepeatMode", "none"); |
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sphery: |
nwidger: that's more likely a problem of your changing hostnames |
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sphery: |
or ip addresses or something |
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sphery: |
dhcp perhaps? |
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nwidger: |
sphery: no i have a static ip assigned by my router... |
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nwidger: |
sphery: i mean i can just add the entry myself |
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nwidger: |
sphery: but it should be stored in RepeatMode you're saying? |
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nwidger: |
sphery: because right now there's no entry for RepeatMode for any hostname |
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nwidger: |
sphery: however 'select hostname from settings' gets a whole range of values: just hostname, a FQDN and NULL |
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innatech: |
wagnerrp: Sessions make a good deal of sense. I'd even be OK with something really inelegant and heavy handed--like designating one frontend primary and forcing designated slaves to re-seek to <foo> seconds behind the primary every <bar> seconds. And just redesignate the primary as I move between rooms. The slaves will seem glitchy from the constant seeking, but as they're not actively watched that's acceptable. But probably that's |
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innatech: |
too ugly and half-assed to be contemplated by devs, as much as it would allieviate the walking-around-the-apartment problem. |
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wagnerrp: |
innatech: linuxmce already has some implementation of this, handled by bluetooth receivers on each box tracking your cellphone |
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innatech: |
interesting. That might be worth a look. |
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wagnerrp: |
but linuxmce is a very hacked up fork of an old version of mythtv |
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wagnerrp: |
its likely none of the code is directly portable |
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innatech: |
Ah. Maybe not, then. For the record, I'd contribute to a bounty to add something like this to MythTV--but I'm guessing it the devs were interested they'd have pursued it by now. |
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wagnerrp: |
pretty much |
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wagnerrp: |
all the devs are too busy with their own little projects to consider picking that up for a bounty |
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wagnerrp: |
nothing to say someone else wouldnt |
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innatech: |
So it goes. Myth does most of what I want, and I'm grateful for its existence. I'd love to see it, but I can live without it. |
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nwidger: |
does mythfrontend just use whatever's in /etc/hostname to pull settings out of the database? |
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iamlindoro: |
At least one of the devs *has* discussed getting multiroom sync going, but it's very likely that the bounty would have to be quite large |
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wagnerrp: |
nwidger: not quite, but that is the effect |
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iamlindoro: |
ie, more than most individuals would be willing to pay |
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nwidger: |
wagnerrp: well it probably uses a system call id imagine, right? |
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iamlindoro: |
As an example, multirec was implemented for 10,000 Euros... multiroom playback/sync would probably be an equivalent sort of project |
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wagnerrp: |
nwidger: i dont know off hand, but likely something from the socket libraries |
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wagnerrp: |
i imagine the telnet control was no small fee |
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nwidger: |
wagnerrp: so if my settings table is messed up from a hostname change, if i change all the settings.hostname columns to be whatever's in /etc/hostname that should fix it, right? |
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innatech: |
iamlindoro: that sounds reasonable, given the likely complexity of implementing the feature in a form worth the effort. Like I said--I'd be happy to contribute but I'm under no illusions that I could fund it directly. |
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wagnerrp: |
nwidger: no, there are several other tables with their own host/hostname fields |
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nwidger: |
wagnerrp: so am i screwed? |
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wagnerrp: |
nwidger: the official database backup/restore script offers a mechanism to change all that stuff for you |
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nwidger: |
wagnerrp: that sounds handy... i should probably use that |
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wagnerrp: |
but if you have settings saved for both hostnames, trying to do so is only going to cause trouble |
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nwidger: |
ya that whole uniqueness property of relational db's |
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wagnerrp: |
nwidger: thats the thing, i doubt any of that stuff is actually set up with unique indexes |
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wagnerrp: |
meaning youre going to end up with a mess of duplicates |
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wagnerrp: |
at which point its anyone's guess how mythtv will actually behave |
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nwidger: |
wagnerrp: yeah, well i could just go through and delete all the settings for the other hostnames before running the script |
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nwidger: |
wagnerrp: which should be harmless since they arent being used anyways |
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wagnerrp: |
again, there are a lot of tables that use a hostname field |
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nwidger: |
that's right |
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nwidger: |
son of a bitch. |
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innatech: |
FYI for anyone curious: the network synch controls in VLC — http://www.hackedexistence.com/images/project . . . rversync.png --- from the tutorial here: http://www.hackedexistence.com/project-vlc.html . So it seems like that might be a usable kludge for recorded content. |
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fixxxermet: |
Having trouble with my minimyth frontend. It boots, but I'm told that it can't connect ot my backend. Log says the backend server is 127.0.0.1 and that perhaps mythtv-settings does not contain the proper IP. |
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fixxxermet: |
Where is my frontend getting 12.0.0.1 for the backend master from? |
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wagnerrp: |
127.0.0.1? |
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fixxxermet: |
Yeah. My master isn't localhsot :0 |
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wagnerrp: |
thats the default |
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wagnerrp: |
you have not set the address otherwise |
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fixxxermet: |
Where do I set it? |
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fixxxermet: |
I don't seen aoption for it in minimyth.conf |
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wagnerrp: |
on the master backend, you need to set both the master and local IP addresses in mythtv-setup |
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fixxxermet: |
ah. |
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fixxxermet: |
So I missed something. |
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fixxxermet: |
does mythtv-setup have to be run as mythtv user? |
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wagnerrp: |
it is preferred |
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fixxxermet: |
ok. |
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fixxxermet: |
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fixxxermet: |
mythtv's home changed |
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fixxxermet: |
OK wagnerrp, I'm in front of mythtv-setup, do you know where those options are located? |
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fixxxermet: |
general, nevermind. |
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noisymouse: |
mythfrontend segfaults after I changed my graphics driver |
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sphery: |
did you compile mythtv yourself or packages? |
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sphery: |
noisymouse: ^^^ |
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iamlindoro: |
He runs Exherbo. He took flash cards with ones and zeroes on them, assembled them into bytes, then put the bytes together until he had a bootable drive. After that, he downloaded Myth at 2400 baud, but without a modem. He just listened to the phone line for high and low sounds, transcribing to flashcard as he went. |
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iamlindoro: |
He is... the most interesting Myth user in the world. |
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iamlindoro: |
I don't always DVR... but when I do, it's a MythTV. |
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sphery: |
heh |
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iamlindoro: |
dum dee dum, must kill time til lost |
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iamlindoro: |
There's only one thing for it. Bacon. |
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wagnerrp: |
lost bacon? thats a shame |
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iamlindoro: |
Lost + Bacon = great success! |
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wagnerrp: |
a triumph? |
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iamlindoro: |
I'm making a note here |
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Wicked: |
huge success! |
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wagnerrp: |
!trout Wicket meme |
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** MythLogBot slaps Wicket with a meme trout on behalf of wagnerrp... ** |
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Wicked: |
whooph. good thing im not Wicket |
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Wicked: |
:) |
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wagnerrp: |
what? i tab-completed that |
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wagnerrp: |
how did that end up wrong |
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iamlindoro: |
Mmm, salty, smoky, peppery fresh bacon from the actual butcher shop and not a nasty dirty tricksy package, my preciousssssss |
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wagnerrp: |
there only a couple real butchers i know of in my whole city |
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iamlindoro: |
Yeah, it's crazy hard to find one any more |
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iamlindoro: |
I work right near an amazing one... pay a premium, but so worth it |
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iamlindoro: |
They also do all sorts of exotic meats so it's fun to come up with gourmet ideas |
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[R]: |
exotic meat? |
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wagnerrp: |
stuff not available locally |
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iamlindoro: |
bison, ostrich, elk, reindeer, that sort of stuff |
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wagnerrp: |
you can actually get bison? |
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[R]: |
sounds scary |
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iamlindoro: |
yeah |
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wagnerrp: |
are they no longer endangered? |
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iamlindoro: |
it's sort of like cow, but maybe a bit less tender, and richer tasting |
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iamlindoro: |
Not any more |
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iamlindoro: |
Most of the time I just get really good ground beef for fancy hamburgers, and the pepper bacon... Kinda nice to see them grind your beef then and there from actual cuts |
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iamlindoro: |
as opposed to who-knows-what |
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[R]: |
i thought the whole point of ground beef wass it was all differnet cuts |
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wagnerrp: |
no, thats just what makes it cheap |
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iamlindoro: |
I think the whole point of GB is hamburgers, stuffed with blue cheeze and cream cheese, brushed with chipotle sauce, and grilled right :) |
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iamlindoro: |
cheese, that is |
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[R]: |
ewww |
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iamlindoro: |
and occasionally, marinated in guinness first |
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[R]: |
then again, i dont like blue cheese to begin with, and cream cheese only belongs on bagels... and i dont' eat meat and cheese together to begin with |
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wagnerrp: |
[R]: the cream cheese helps keep the ground beef together |
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kc: |
I have a bison farm less than 5 miles from my house. It's nice to go there and get whatever you want fresh |
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iamlindoro: |
kc, neat, I actually learned they were no longer threatened when I found bison burgers at Trader Joes :) |
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kc: |
I find it ironic that they call them buffalo here in the states... |
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wagnerrp: |
awesome... desktop just crashed |
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wagnerrp: |
i think thats a first on this install |
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[R]: |
so i'm still having issues with the backend not recognizing no frontends are connected to it and it's idle... its really annoying me |
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markl_: |
ok i am having a problem where the system shows 2 tuners but it is only using 1 of them. i could have sworn that i fixed this not too long ago |
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** Beirdo is going to try to do some myth dev on virtualbox ** |
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markl_: |
front end or back end? |
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Beirdo: |
likely start with some mythweather or some nuvexport |
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Beirdo: |
not sure which yet |
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kc: |
markl_: You have two tuners, they both show up in linux, but only one is showing up in myth? |
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markl_: |
kc: it is an hd homerun, both tuners are set up and show up in the mythweb status |
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markl_: |
but one is always idle, even if it skips shows |
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markl_: |
and in the logs it doesn't seem to even try to use it |
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markl_: |
weird |
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markl_: |
is it helpful to go and scan for channels, or should i just go with what schedules direct gave me? |
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markl_: |
weird, i guess it just hated Frontline |
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Beirdo: |
can't blame it |
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wagnerrp: |
markl_: do you actually have both tuners defined? |
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wagnerrp: |
or do you have one tuner defined with two virtual recorders? |
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