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| [00:00:56] | bmidgley1: | hey, scte65scan docs say to "configure your lineup" but I'm not sure what that entails |
| [00:01:30] | bmidgley1: | I had everything working with 0.22 until comcast started changing things, now I don't know where to go next after following the scte65scan docs |
| [00:02:30] | wagnerrp: | did 'changing things' include turning on privacy mode? |
| [00:02:46] | npm: | what's privacy mode? |
| [00:03:17] | wagnerrp: | scte65scan exists because comcast started releasing 'DTA's to replace the old analog cable |
| [00:03:42] | bmidgley1: | wagnerrp, apparently comcast changes individual channels so I keep losing channels over time |
| [00:04:12] | wagnerrp: | they are cheap compared to a full cable box, because they only support standard definition, dont have the full modular crypto suite, and dont have a wide band tuner capable of receiving the normal out-of-band channel tables |
| [00:04:26] | wagnerrp: | as a result, those tables are broadcast in band |
| [00:04:45] | wagnerrp: | and a normal consumer tuner can pick them up, process them, and populate your channel tables |
| [00:05:05] | wagnerrp: | instead of the full crypto suite, they have something called privacy mode |
| [00:05:25] | wagnerrp: | basically, some rather insecure, simple DES cipher |
| [00:05:56] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that fcc regs disallow any non-modular crypto hardware, under the foolish assumption that modular hardware would allow a consumer to use any STB they pleased |
| [00:06:05] | npm: | thanks for the exaplanation |
| [00:06:13] | bmidgley1: | wagnerrp, fwiw, I'm only trying to tune in the public/broadcast channels that comcast carries, just because I get no OTA here |
| [00:06:35] | wagnerrp: | much too long of a story short, individual comcast franchises are getting waivers from the FCC to enable that privacy mode |
| [00:07:06] | wagnerrp: | at which point those channels that you could formerly pick up over clear QAM, and pick up with an analog tuner prior to that, are now encrypted and inaccessible to mythtv |
| [00:07:17] | wagnerrp: | rendering scte65scan worthless |
| [00:10:13] | bmidgley1: | anyway, I'm just looking for a suggestion for what to do next... watch tv bails out now so myth is not happy with the scte changes to the db |
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| [00:22:18] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: yay, evolution! |
| [00:23:07] | wagnerrp: | you mean... 'progress'? |
| [00:26:24] | bmidgley1: | I'll just restore the db... maybe ubuntu 10.04 will have a version of mythtv with a working scan (my upgrading .21 to .22 was a big mistake) |
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| [00:28:59] | bmidgley1: | in .21 I could rescan and get back those comcast channels that had been lost over time |
| [00:29:50] | heimdal: | Hello Myth-tv. I am not sure if I have a PCTV 40i 50i or 110i, but can not seem to get Myth TV (or VLC for that matter) to recognize it. Anyone know what is going on? I did not see anything about the cards on the mythtv wiki. |
| [00:30:33] | wagnerrp: | heimdal: mythtv doesnt do hardware, see linuxtv.org |
| [00:30:46] | heimdal: | Thank you |
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| [00:34:18] | heimdal: | I seem to have forgotton what terminal command prints all devices known by the system, or am I thinking of a file... Does anyone know? |
| [00:35:30] | heimdal: | Nevermind, I recall it now |
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| [01:31:20] | heimdal: | Hello again mythtv-users, I got my little tv tuner card to be seen by Linux, but I can not see channels. I think it has to do with using Comcast Cable, and I couldn't find much with Google. Anyone use Comcast? |
| [01:33:51] | [R]: | what kind of tuner card |
| [01:34:50] | heimdal: | PCTV something with a bt878 or something |
| [01:36:01] | heimdal: | It's a real old card, I think it was a PCTV Studio |
| [01:36:37] | [R]: | can you plug a tv into the wall and get channels? |
| [01:37:48] | heimdal: | No, I need the topbox. |
| [01:37:57] | [R]: | well then that card will need the "topbox" also |
| [01:38:06] | heimdal: | I do use it |
| [01:38:17] | heimdal: | That is the frustrating part |
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| [01:44:21] | heimdal: | All right, scratch that. I can pull channels without the topbox. Though I can't seem to see them on the PC |
| [01:45:38] | [R]: | bt cards are super crappy |
| [01:45:41] | [R]: | you're not going to be happy with it |
| [01:45:43] | [R]: | even if you do get it working |
| [01:47:01] | heimdal: | Maybe, my father got me the card way back when. (1998 perhaps?) I thought I mighty be able to run my Archlinux box like a DVR. |
| [01:49:12] | wagnerrp: | if youre looking to capture analog, youre better off grabbing an old IVTV card off ebay |
| [01:49:16] | wagnerrp: | PVR-150 or 500 |
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| [01:52:21] | heimdal: | How about for digital, at least for channels over 100? |
| [01:52:37] | wagnerrp: | any supported digital tuner will do |
| [01:52:49] | wagnerrp: | but read the page about digital cable on the wiki first |
| [01:52:58] | wagnerrp: | since nearly all channels will likely be encrypted |
| [01:53:38] | heimdal: | I will most likely just keep the Comcast box inbetween the Computer and the main Cable line |
| [01:55:52] | [R]: | ffs i really hate ubuntu... all i want is mythtv... do i really need all this crap? |
| [01:56:22] | [R]: | like seriously... why does mythtv require ntfs3g? |
| [01:57:38] | heimdal: | Well anyway, thank you wagnerrp. |
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| [02:09:19] | RobertLaptop: | question anyone have an info on dealing with really low recording volume on PVR150/500? It seems to be getting worse and I really need to improve this? |
| [02:10:18] | kormoc: | RobertLaptop: turn up the recording volume via ivtvctl or friends? |
| [02:10:39] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: new Dr. Who is pretty awesome |
| [02:11:09] | RobertLaptop: | What options do I use with ivtvvtl? |
| [02:11:20] | RobertLaptop: | Not of the --help stuff looks correct. |
| [02:11:30] | kormoc: | RobertLaptop: --help should show it |
| [02:12:07] | RobertLaptop: | I can pastbin.ca it for you nothing the scream volume controls |
| [02:12:37] | kormoc: | RobertLaptop: from --help --set-ctrl=volume=0–65535 |
| [02:12:47] | kormoc: | (value between 0 and 65535) |
| [02:13:33] | [R]: | what are the chances that the mirror would be updated right as i'm running apt-get? haha |
| [02:14:04] | RobertLaptop: | I don't see any help fro --set-ctrl but I will try it. |
| [02:15:29] | kormoc: | ivtvctl or v4l2-ctl? |
| [02:15:38] | RobertLaptop: | ivtvvtl |
| [02:16:10] | kormoc: | according to ivtvdriver.org, that's correct |
| [02:16:25] | kormoc: | http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Ivtvctl_old |
| [02:17:08] | RobertLaptop: | I am using the new drivers not the old drivers. |
| [02:17:26] | kormoc: | so you're using v4l2-ctl? |
| [02:18:40] | kormoc: | Cause the two don't mix. If it's 0.8 or newer, you use v4l2-ctl, if it's older, use ivtvctl |
| [02:20:11] | RobertLaptop: | OK that options is there. Is that a permanent option or something I need to set during boot up? |
| [02:20:51] | kormoc: | I'd guess it'd reset over boots, but it's been so long, I can't say for sure |
| [02:21:31] | RobertLaptop: | So inserting the calls during boot up should take care of it. |
| [02:22:23] | RobertLaptop: | of to try and see if that fixes things. |
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| [03:35:28] | clever: | dj_segfault: now if you have a 400mhz master backend like me, rescheduling DOES take forever (30–60 seconds) |
| [03:35:36] | clever: | but generaly, its alot faster then that |
| [03:35:47] | clever: | and only happens when a rule changes or something starts to record |
| [03:36:20] | dj_segfault: | Ouch. |
| [03:37:48] | dj_segfault: | I want to throw together a quickie script, but I want to know if it already exists yet. It will calculate how much hard drive space or hours will be recorded between two different dates and times, so if I'm going away I can make sure I'm not going to run out of space. Does something like that already exist? |
| [03:38:06] | wagnerrp: | dj_segfault: just enable autoexpire |
| [03:38:20] | wagnerrp: | so it will automatically delete stuff to make sure there is sufficient space for recordings |
| [03:38:39] | clever: | i made something similar |
| [03:38:39] | clever: | mine will warn what day/time auto-expire is likely to kick in and start deleting things on me |
| [03:38:56] | clever: | and if i tick an option, it will warn when its expired EVERYTHING it can and will actualy run out (assuming new recordings cant expire) |
| [03:39:10] | dj_segfault: | Hmm. I only recently figured out that auto-expire only deletes things when space is low. Somewhat non-intuitive. Maybe that's the way to go. |
| [03:39:27] | wagnerrp: | why else would you delete something? |
| [03:39:36] | clever: | right now, its saying things will last until 18 06:00–07:00 before it has to expire something |
| [03:42:23] | dj_segfault: | wagnerrp: If you know what it is, of course it makes sense. But expiration is usually associated with something that gets removed after a certain time, not when some other condition is met. Don't get me wrong, the way it works is much better, I'm just saying that the name does not connote expiration when space is needed. Maybe something like "expendable" would be more descriptive. |
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| [04:21:50] | wagnerrp: | this bsccara character is really pissing me off |
| [04:29:08] | dj_segfault: | clever: mythbackend --printsched doesn't actually print what *will* be recorded, it just prints schedule matches, so multiple programs show up in the same timeslot even though I only have one tuner. Suckage!!! |
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| [04:29:33] | wagnerrp: | dj_segfault: so filter for the ones no will actually be recorded |
| [04:30:16] | wagnerrp: | what language are you doing this in? |
| [04:31:45] | wagnerrp: | the 'N' column specifies which recorder it will run on |
| [04:31:55] | wagnerrp: | or otherwise the character code explaining why it will not be recorded |
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| [04:32:58] | wagnerrp: | if you are using perl or python, you should pull this through the bindings, rather than from the command line |
| [04:32:59] | dj_segfault: | wagnerrp: Right now I'm playing with parsing the output in perl, hoping I could throw something together in about half an hour. |
| [04:33:43] | defaultr0: | good evening folks. I need some help in PPV. What are other ways of ordering PPV? I don't want to upgrade my cable service just to watch 1 PPV boxing fight. |
| [04:34:08] | dj_segfault: | wagnerrp: I only have one tuner. So if I see a "1" then it will be recorded, and if I see a letter it's a reason it won't be recorded? Is that right? |
| [04:34:12] | wagnerrp: | this is the mythtv help channel |
| [04:34:27] | wagnerrp: | not <defaultr0's cableco> help channel |
| [04:34:32] | defaultr0: | yup, I was hoping wagner that someone might have answers :P |
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| [04:36:34] | wagnerrp: | dj_segfault: correct, however you should be using the socket calls to the backend directly |
| [04:36:38] | wagnerrp: | rather than parsing some command line output |
| [04:36:52] | dj_segfault: | wagnerrp: Hmm. When I look at mythweb's upcoming page, the corresponding programs to be recorded have a "-1" not a "1". That doesn't make sense. |
| [04:36:55] | defaultr0: | wow, there is now .23 available. I can't believe that I've not done any updates after my last .22 ugprade |
| [04:37:17] | dj_segfault: | wagnerrp: Can you point me at a page on how to do that? That would be fantastic. Thanks. |
| [04:37:22] | wagnerrp: | defaultr0: 0.22 was around 6 months ago |
| [04:37:28] | defaultr0: | yep, I was so behind |
| [04:37:38] | defaultr0: | haven't done anything in my myth lately |
| [04:37:59] | defaultr0: | i do see some bugs in .22 like when I fast forward continiously |
| [04:38:02] | wagnerrp: | dj_segfault: there is the perl bindings page on the wiki |
| [04:38:10] | wagnerrp: | but thats of questionable worth |
| [04:38:17] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Perl_bindings |
| [04:38:58] | defaultr0: | I just opened a chat session with comcrap. I will ask them if they now provide PPV in HD. If so, I'll just get it |
| [04:39:17] | defaultr0: | they always broadcast their ppv in SD, crap :( |
| [04:40:16] | wagnerrp: | dj_segfault: better off just consulting the code directly... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . indings/perl |
| [04:41:55] | dj_segfault: | wagnerrp: Will do. Thank you muchly. I now have my fishing rod. |
| [04:42:58] | wagnerrp: | of course if you want to fill out the wiki page learning how to use the bindings, that would be much appreciated |
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| [05:02:55] | dj_segfault: | wagnerrp: I may just do that. I would have to write it up as I learn it anyway, so why not publish it? |
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| [05:10:45] | pest789_: | I just stopped in to mention a new script on the wiki. It pulls media into mythvideo from removable drives via udev. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythadder.py |
| [05:11:19] | pest789_: | ... and takes it out again when the drive is disconnected |
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| [05:12:20] | wagnerrp: | pest789_: well it was decided to leave the xml stuff out |
| [05:12:30] | pest789_: | oh hi |
| [05:12:40] | wagnerrp: | no sense re-implementing the code in python, when it will already be going into the backend |
| [05:12:56] | wagnerrp: | there will just be calls added to the backend protocol to process said data |
| [05:13:21] | wagnerrp: | of course that code wont be rewritten until a whole series of other updates are added to the backend |
| [05:13:24] | wagnerrp: | so thats going to be a while |
| [05:13:32] | pest789_: | is there something posted that talks about the feature? I'm not 100% sure of what you are saying |
| [05:13:49] | wagnerrp: | nothing posted, and #mythtv is not logged |
| [05:13:53] | pest789_: | k |
| [05:14:15] | pest789_: | are you saying that myth itself will eventually do what my script does? |
| [05:14:24] | wagnerrp: | basically, mythbackend is going to be getting a significant rewrite of the database tables for recordings and mythvideo in the current cycle |
| [05:14:24] | pest789_: | or just part of it? |
| [05:14:30] | pest789_: | ahhhh |
| [05:14:35] | pest789_: | cool |
| [05:14:38] | wagnerrp: | and either this cycle, or next, it will get a filesystemwatcher on the backend |
| [05:14:43] | pest789_: | sweet |
| [05:14:55] | wagnerrp: | which will keep an in-memory list of all content in storage groups |
| [05:15:44] | wagnerrp: | once that goes in, it will also get the ability to pull metadata from, or write metadata to an xml file of the same name as the video in the storage group |
| [05:15:58] | pest789_: | I'm just itching like crazy for someone else to start using that script and give me some feedback :o) |
| [05:16:00] | pest789_: | nice |
| [05:16:17] | wagnerrp: | at which point you just add that mount point to the recording group |
| [05:16:33] | wagnerrp: | and recordings and videos will automagically get added and removed as the disk comes online |
| [05:16:46] | wagnerrp: | but thats a ways off still |
| [05:16:56] | pest789_: | can you add a parent mount point and call it good? like /media in Ubuntu so that everything that mounts under it gets noticed? |
| [05:17:09] | wagnerrp: | you could do that as well |
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| [05:17:43] | wagnerrp: | in the mean time, i would still suggest you at least use the Video class in the bindings |
| [05:17:48] | pest789_: | that would be important. a long time ago i tried doing this with autofs and UUID mounts and it was WAY too much hassle with a lot of drives |
| [05:17:49] | wagnerrp: | for manipulating videometadata |
| [05:18:06] | pest789_: | I'll start looking into that |
| [05:18:33] | wagnerrp: | ideally, you would set up your own DBDataWrite class for the 'offline' table |
| [05:19:03] | wagnerrp: | and then those two classes would handle nearly all the sql calls for you |
| [05:19:08] | pest789_: | speaking of that table, can I get away with calling videometadataoffline? |
| [05:19:18] | wagnerrp: | i dont see why not |
| [05:19:28] | pest789_: | i was trying to steer clear of the real myth names |
| [05:19:31] | pest789_: | cool |
| [05:20:29] | wagnerrp: | a couple more things |
| [05:21:20] | wagnerrp: | the DictData class (and subclasses) provide their data as a dictionary and class attributes |
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| [05:21:50] | wagnerrp: | so they would provide the associative data you were looking for |
| [05:21:51] | pest789_: | that's like a php associative array, right? |
| [05:21:55] | pest789_: | k |
| [05:22:15] | wagnerrp: | also, you might want to read up on zip() |
| [05:22:39] | wagnerrp: | which lets you turn two lists, such as a list of field names and a list of data into a list of 2-tuples |
| [05:22:42] | pest789_: | this is all in the python bindings wiki pages? |
| [05:22:48] | wagnerrp: | which are then directly convertable to a dictionary |
| [05:22:55] | pest789_: | nice – like a zipper :) |
| [05:23:07] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Python_bindings/Data_Objects#Video |
| [05:23:16] | pest789_: | sweet |
| [05:23:21] | wagnerrp: | well, that whole page explains how to use those objects |
| [05:23:58] | wagnerrp: | also, there is a special execute command, or maybe its a special cursor you use |
| [05:24:15] | wagnerrp: | that returns associative dictionaries rather than lists as its response |
| [05:25:52] | pest789_: | I really appreciate the way you've helped me along. I really didn't expect the 'go ahead and jump right in' attitude. I've never collaborated with a real project before and I expected you guys to be way more guarded about people from outside taking liberties |
| [05:26:30] | wagnerrp: | here we go... MySQLdb.cursors.CursorDictRowsMixIn |
| [05:27:34] | wagnerrp: | when you pull a cursor from the database object, it accepts an optional cursorclass |
| [05:27:50] | wagnerrp: | if you give it that class, rather than letting it use the base class, it will return dictionaries rather than list |
| [05:28:00] | wagnerrp: | however the bindings dont let you do that |
| [05:28:10] | wagnerrp: | since they use their own custom cursor to provide query logging |
| [05:28:19] | pest789_: | ahh |
| [05:28:26] | kormoc: | pest789_: why wouldn't we? You can only screw yourself ;) |
| [05:28:32] | pest789_: | heh |
| [05:28:48] | wagnerrp: | so if you did something like MythLog._setlevel('database') |
| [05:29:00] | wagnerrp: | youll get a bunch of SQL calls spewed to the console |
| [05:29:30] | pest789_: | yeah I just didn't expect it because this is literally the first Python script I've ever written |
| [05:29:45] | pest789_: | ^ kormoc: |
| [05:29:53] | wagnerrp: | pest789_: its more that im in the same boat as you |
| [05:30:11] | wagnerrp: | i wrote the bindings last fall, and im looking for feedback |
| [05:30:19] | pest789_: | heh nice |
| [05:30:31] | kormoc: | pest789_: you're half way to the number of python scripts I've written! |
| [05:30:37] | pest789_: | lol |
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| [05:31:06] | pest789_: | I'm still shocked that it actually worked |
| [05:31:46] | ** kormoc realizes that this alcohol won't drink itself and decides to give it a hand ** | |
| [05:32:33] | wagnerrp: | pest789_: last thing... these are local files, and the python bindings are really designed for storage group files |
| [05:32:56] | wagnerrp: | now for what youre doing, that probably wont make much difference |
| [05:33:01] | pest789_: | yeah |
| [05:33:19] | wagnerrp: | since the only things it matters on are the file scanner and file open routines |
| [05:33:19] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: so what didja think of borderlands? |
| [05:33:40] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: enjoyed it |
| [05:33:45] | kormoc: | snaz |
| [05:33:59] | ** pest789_ goes for a smoke ** | |
| [05:34:11] | wagnerrp: | pest789_: however since they require 0.23, there has been a change in the mythvideo schema since 0.22 |
| [05:34:19] | wagnerrp: | which is the addition of a hash value |
| [05:34:33] | wagnerrp: | so youll need to update your script to pass that back and forth |
| [05:34:41] | wagnerrp: | the bindings have a method for calculating the hash value |
| [05:34:54] | wagnerrp: | but that 'method' is really just a call to the backend, to have the backend do it for me |
| [05:35:06] | wagnerrp: | so as with the other stuff, it doesnt work with local files |
| [05:35:28] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: really enjoy my 'volcano' rifle |
| [05:35:36] | kormoc: | Hehe |
| [05:35:49] | kormoc: | Yeah, I love the weapons |
| [05:36:10] | wagnerrp: | pretty much one-hit kill on everything buy fire enemies, and the 'bada--' enemies |
| [05:36:25] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [05:36:51] | wagnerrp: | although i came across something odd earlier tonight |
| [05:36:52] | kormoc: | I'm a solder so I have a awesome shield (1250ish iirc) and a decent machine gun and I can really own up with the torrent |
| [05:36:54] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [05:37:21] | wagnerrp: | supposedly the weapon generation system is supposed to be able to generate some number of millions of different combinations of weapons |
| [05:37:34] | wagnerrp: | i came across two identical 4x corrosive rocket launchers |
| [05:37:53] | kormoc: | yeah, I've had that happen before too |
| [05:37:54] | wagnerrp: | i guess odds are its bound to happen eventually |
| [05:38:20] | kormoc: | I think that they can generate it but they is a fair number of basic weapons that get generated a lot more |
| [05:38:42] | wagnerrp: | well a basic weapon i could understand, but this was a blue 4x corrosive |
| [05:38:51] | kormoc: | huh, fair 'nuff |
| [05:40:32] | pest789_: | that's the id fps/mmo? |
| [05:40:43] | kormoc: | bioware iirc? |
| [05:40:47] | wagnerrp: | no, single player |
| [05:40:47] | pest789_: | ahh |
| [05:40:55] | wagnerrp: | or up to 4p coop |
| [05:41:00] | pest789_: | gotcha |
| [05:41:05] | kormoc: | fps/rpg is a better way of putting it |
| [05:41:34] | pest789_: | my eyes lit up at random equipment generator |
| [05:41:56] | pest789_: | i was hard core asheron's call for a long time and hate mmos that have standart loot |
| [05:42:38] | wagnerrp: | pest789_: basically, there are seven weapon types, with four optional elemental damage types |
| [05:42:51] | pest789_: | yeah but randomized stats |
| [05:43:04] | wagnerrp: | so it just randomly generates various stats based off your level |
| [05:43:20] | pest789_: | AC was randomized stats for everything – the db must have been a nightmare |
| [05:43:40] | pest789_: | but standard classes of weapons like bow and sword and whatnot |
| [05:44:30] | pest789_: | millions and millions of unique items – it's no wonder none of the mmos do it nowadays |
| [05:45:11] | wagnerrp: | well theres the four basic, damage, accuracy, fire rate, and clip size |
| [05:45:40] | pest789_: | wagnerrp: so the hashes are so that each backend can have a different path to the same file within a storage group? |
| [05:45:42] | wagnerrp: | and then several lesser, multiple bullets per shot, reload speed, scope, melee boost |
| [05:45:55] | wagnerrp: | pest789_: one file only exists on one backend |
| [05:46:04] | wagnerrp: | there should be no sharing among them, as NFS is no longer needed |
| [05:46:15] | pest789_: | cool |
| [05:46:22] | wagnerrp: | the hash file is so that you can move the file where ever you please within that Videos storage group |
| [05:46:27] | wagnerrp: | and mythvideo will pick it up on the next scan |
| [05:46:36] | pest789_: | sounds like i need to install .23 and read up on storage groups |
| [05:46:36] | wagnerrp: | and simply shift the location/hostname |
| [05:46:47] | wagnerrp: | rather than trashing any metadata it may have had |
| [05:47:07] | wagnerrp: | its not a full hash |
| [05:47:07] | pest789_: | i've used myth since 05 but never went beyond exactly what i needed initially |
| [05:47:16] | wagnerrp: | just the front/back 64K and the file size |
| [05:47:22] | pest789_: | cool |
| [05:47:25] | wagnerrp: | so its relatively cheap to compute |
| [05:47:35] | wagnerrp: | but plenty to assure uniqueness |
| [05:47:56] | pest789_: | yeah when i was designing my script i looked at computing md5 for each file – lol |
| [05:48:13] | kormoc: | ugh |
| [05:48:15] | pest789_: | then i found inode/partition uuid |
| [05:48:18] | kormoc: | they ruined Sam and Max :( |
| [05:49:58] | wagnerrp: | some other suggestions.... |
| [05:50:17] | wagnerrp: | os.popen is depreciated, and will not exist in python 3.0 whenever that becomes common |
| [05:50:31] | wagnerrp: | the commands module exists as a wrapper around that function |
| [05:50:41] | wagnerrp: | and is depreciated by proxy |
| [05:50:59] | wagnerrp: | the recommended tool is Popen, from the subprocess module |
| [05:51:13] | wagnerrp: | however thats moot |
| [05:51:25] | wagnerrp: | instead of calling 'mount -v' |
| [05:51:33] | wagnerrp: | just pull the data out of /proc/mounts |
| [05:51:56] | pest789_: | good idea :) |
| [05:52:15] | wagnerrp: | in that same chunk of code |
| [05:52:30] | wagnerrp: | if youre going to be using regular expressions, use them fully |
| [05:52:35] | pest789_: | hey any thoughts on how to get around waiting x seconds for mount to finish before trying to find the mount point? |
| [05:53:04] | wagnerrp: | let them extract the necessary data out of the string |
| [05:53:09] | wagnerrp: | rather than just checking for a match |
| [05:53:14] | wagnerrp: | and then processing on your own |
| [05:53:15] | pest789_: | i thought about looping until i see a mount for the device, but didn't wanna get stuck if the mount doesn't happen |
| [05:53:24] | wagnerrp: | or, dont use regular expressions at all |
| [05:53:34] | wagnerrp: | just do 'if device in line:' |
| [05:53:40] | pest789_: | i guess loop for up to x seconds and then die... |
| [05:54:20] | wagnerrp: | you could set up your own loop |
| [05:54:26] | wagnerrp: | and only loop a certain number of times |
| [05:54:47] | wagnerrp: | or you could grab the current time, and terminate when a certain amoutn of time has passed |
| [05:54:50] | pest789_: | i think i'll loop for up to 30 seconds and then die |
| [05:55:04] | pest789_: | make the 30 configurable |
| [05:55:06] | kormoc: | why bother? |
| [05:55:09] | wagnerrp: | or you can just loop to infinity |
| [05:55:12] | kormoc: | mount will return as fast as it can |
| [05:55:24] | kormoc: | doesn't seem like there's much point in checking before it's ready |
| [05:55:25] | wagnerrp: | and set up a signal handler and alarm to terminate the program |
| [05:55:45] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: hes using a script called by udev when it auto-mounts the disk |
| [05:55:47] | pest789_: | sometimes some of my devices just don't mount – ntfs gets pissy or udev gets lost or something |
| [05:55:52] | wagnerrp: | the script gets run before mount is finished |
| [05:55:59] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
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| [06:06:21] | bcgrown: | Anyone using a GeForce 210 for an HDTV frontend? I'm looking at buying one as it's the only fanless and low-profile NVIDIA card I can find. |
| [06:06:36] | wagnerrp: | works fine |
| [06:06:40] | pest789_: | just for myth? |
| [06:06:45] | bcgrown: | yeah |
| [06:06:59] | bcgrown: | just wondering what the deinterlacing performance is like. i read a review that wasn't great |
| [06:07:05] | pest789_: | i found one an 8400gs on newegg for like 20 bucks the other day |
| [06:07:26] | bcgrown: | but it still seems like it would be less hassle than an ATI card, and oodles better than the onboard intel graphics i use now |
| [06:07:29] | wagnerrp: | the 8400 will do just about everything the 210 will do |
| [06:07:37] | wagnerrp: | but apparently the 210 has better video scalers |
| [06:08:09] | wagnerrp: | of course i doubt theyre worth double the price |
| [06:08:13] | pest789_: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121360 |
| [06:08:41] | wagnerrp: | eew... |
| [06:09:10] | pest789_: | i haven't watched any old interlaced stuff on my ions or an 8400 lately, so not really sure how deinterlace will be |
| [06:09:27] | pest789_: | hey its wicked cheap and silent :) |
| [06:09:34] | pest789_: | and all you need for vdpau stuff |
| [06:09:54] | wagnerrp: | theyre older ones looked better |
| [06:09:58] | wagnerrp: | their |
| [06:10:06] | bcgrown: | http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=49482&v . . . %2FMicroStar |
| [06:10:12] | pest789_: | it's inside your box – you're never gonna see it:) |
| [06:10:13] | bcgrown: | is the one I've been eyeing |
| [06:10:58] | bcgrown: | any opinions? |
| [06:11:11] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but mine had svideo, and no ribbon cable |
| [06:11:12] | pest789_: | oh that's not a bad deal either – i didn't know the 210 was a low end card |
| [06:11:29] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121235 |
| [06:11:33] | pest789_: | just didn't want you to waste your money on a gaming card just for myth |
| [06:11:56] | wagnerrp: | the only reason to use a ribbon cable is so you can disconnect that output and use it as a low profile card |
| [06:12:08] | wagnerrp: | but the heatsink they have on that card doesnt allow for that |
| [06:12:25] | pest789_: | good point |
| [06:12:43] | bcgrown: | on the 210? the heatsink is the same height as the card |
| [06:13:00] | wagnerrp: | no, on the Asus 8400 currently available on newegg |
| [06:13:02] | bcgrown: | ah |
| [06:13:05] | bcgrown: | no go for me then |
| [06:13:16] | wagnerrp: | the card itself was low profile |
| [06:13:19] | wagnerrp: | the heatsink was not |
| [06:13:58] | bcgrown: | right |
| [06:14:44] | bcgrown: | was probably designed for a fan and then they threw a massive heatsink on there and called it silent |
| [06:14:55] | pest789_: | yup |
| [06:15:17] | bcgrown: | same as the 210 i linked, but at least that one grew horizontally and not vertically :) |
| [06:16:39] | bcgrown: | oh hmm how about this one: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=49 . . . SI/MicroStar |
| [06:17:02] | bcgrown: | looks like it's only one slot wide, but they never say if the low profile bracket is included :( |
| [06:17:25] | pest789_: | i'd buy that if i needed one, but i'm not very picky |
| [06:17:37] | pest789_: | do you need low profile? |
| [06:17:45] | pest789_: | don't recall you mentioning |
| [06:17:51] | bcgrown: | yeah, low-pro case |
| [06:17:55] | pest789_: | ahhhhhh |
| [06:17:59] | pest789_: | it all makes sense now |
| [06:18:29] | pest789_: | i've got one in the other room that has the bracket – let me see what it is |
| [06:19:14] | wagnerrp: | bcgrown: do you have a dremel? |
| [06:19:22] | bcgrown: | nope |
| [06:19:35] | wagnerrp: | any tools? |
| [06:19:48] | wagnerrp: | metal sheers and files? |
| [06:19:55] | bcgrown: | and let me tell you, making a full-height bracket fit with just a hack saw and a hammer is not that easy |
| [06:20:09] | bcgrown: | yes, no, and no. |
| [06:20:12] | wagnerrp: | of course not |
| [06:20:41] | wagnerrp: | but making one with some sheers, a vice, and a file or dremel or grinder of some sort is pretty simple |
| [06:21:02] | bcgrown: | yep, got all that stuff at work but no personal jobs allowed. i'd really rather not go to the trouble if i don't have to in the first place |
| [06:21:13] | pest789_: | nm wasnt fanless |
| [06:21:46] | wagnerrp: | what case? |
| [06:22:35] | bcgrown: | this one: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=23679&v . . . 20Technology |
| [06:23:49] | pest789_: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130532 |
| [06:24:06] | pest789_: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130541 |
| [06:24:13] | pest789_: | newegg power search rocks |
| [06:24:25] | wagnerrp: | youre worried about VGA noise with stamped steel holes and a crappy inwin power supply? |
| [06:24:41] | bcgrown: | wagnerrp: it's actually really quiet |
| [06:24:52] | ** wagnerrp has a deep seeded hatred of InWin ** | |
| [06:25:13] | bcgrown: | honestly, the hard drive makes more noise than the power supply |
| [06:25:30] | ** bcgrown has a deep seeded hatred of GPU fans ** | |
| [06:25:34] | wagnerrp: | shock mount it |
| [06:25:41] | wagnerrp: | problem solved |
| [06:25:43] | bcgrown: | didn't say it bothered me. |
| [06:25:50] | pest789_: | sounds like everyone into mythtv has gone through something like 30 tv boxes over the last 5 years – glad i'm not the only one |
| [06:27:16] | bcgrown: | pest789_: do you mean PC cases? this is my first and it's fine |
| [06:27:20] | wagnerrp: | ive had five different machines ever running mythtv since i started using it in 2006 |
| [06:27:43] | wagnerrp: | three of which are still running myth |
| [06:27:59] | wagnerrp: | and a fourth was only ever used for testing |
| [06:29:36] | pest789_: | no i don't go through many cases and i'm exaggerating, but i've built and retired quite a few |
| [06:29:40] | pest789_: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . e&Page=1 |
| [06:29:54] | pest789_: | huge link but all results include the LP bracket |
| [06:30:15] | pest789_: | now all mine are little ION boxes |
| [06:31:02] | bcgrown: | do you have a "real" backend with a good cpu for transcoding etc? the atoms must not be too great for that |
| [06:31:22] | bcgrown: | thanks for the link.. i will have to see which ones are available at ncix :) |
| [06:31:24] | pest789_: | no i don't do any trans coding |
| [06:31:29] | wagnerrp: | the atoms arent good for anything but providing something for the 9400M to run on |
| [06:31:37] | wagnerrp: | pest789_: no commercial flagging? |
| [06:31:47] | pest789_: | yeah flagging works ok |
| [06:31:54] | wagnerrp: | what tuner? |
| [06:31:59] | pest789_: | but i've always used encoding tuners |
| [06:32:03] | bcgrown: | so no hd? |
| [06:32:15] | pest789_: | the old hauppauge 15s0s before and now HD PVRs |
| [06:32:24] | pest789_: | *150s |
| [06:32:50] | wagnerrp: | well a 150 output would be fine, but that HDPVR runs at what... 1/3rd realtime? |
| [06:32:57] | wagnerrp: | 1/4? |
| [06:32:58] | pest789_: | i also did firewire capture before even discovery put 5c on |
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| [06:33:22] | pest789_: | you mean for flagging? |
| [06:33:32] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [06:33:43] | pest789_: | yeah they are a bit slow but not enough to bother me |
| [06:34:06] | wagnerrp: | the bigger problem with those as a backend is lack of expanability |
| [06:34:14] | wagnerrp: | youre limited on hard drives |
| [06:34:20] | wagnerrp: | youre limited on tuner cards |
| [06:34:20] | pest789_: | i can hit right arrow a few times if i'm watching right after something was on |
| [06:34:27] | pest789_: | yep |
| [06:34:35] | pest789_: | but i've got a 2tb nas box |
| [06:34:55] | wagnerrp: | so small... |
| [06:35:00] | pest789_: | and quiet |
| [06:35:04] | pest789_: | soooo quiet |
| [06:35:18] | wagnerrp: | just out of curiosity, whats the average size of these drives youre swapping in? |
| [06:35:31] | pest789_: | sits lost up by the projector silently doing its thing |
| [06:35:39] | pest789_: | 250gb :o) |
| [06:35:49] | wagnerrp: | well thats not too bad |
| [06:36:00] | wagnerrp: | above average for storage on a mythbox |
| [06:36:05] | pest789_: | yeah |
| [06:36:24] | wagnerrp: | probably top 100 of users or so |
| [06:36:30] | pest789_: | for a year or so i could record literally anything over firewire and i took advantage of it |
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| [06:36:58] | pest789_: | I was buying a drive a week |
| [06:37:03] | pest789_: | almost |
| [06:37:08] | wagnerrp: | there are several users active in here with 10TB+, several dozen at 5TB+ |
| [06:37:16] | bcgrown: | i can record everything via firewire but there's still hardly anything worth recording :( |
| [06:37:46] | pest789_: | well recording anything is partly kind of a euphemism |
| [06:37:54] | pest789_: | but that's not for here |
| [06:38:38] | pest789_: | so 35ish 250gb drives + 2tb nas is a total of about 10tb |
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| [06:39:03] | bcgrown: | you must |
| [06:39:10] | bcgrown: | you must've been... sore |
| [06:39:25] | pest789_: | heh from what? |
| [06:39:38] | bcgrown: | "recording anything" |
| [06:39:48] | pest789_: | lol yeah |
| [06:40:28] | wagnerrp: | so even 'those' kinds of channels were available? |
| [06:40:35] | pest789_: | oh no |
| [06:40:37] | pest789_: | lol |
| [06:41:01] | pest789_: | i said euphemism, not innuendo |
| [06:41:10] | ** wagnerrp imagines pest789_ to have one inordinately muscular arm ** | |
| [06:41:16] | pest789_: | lol |
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| [06:42:42] | pest789_: | not sure how far i can go without getting booted from here but try abhdtv dot net some time |
| [06:43:21] | pest789_: | and that was back before bd |
| [06:43:32] | pest789_: | not active any more |
| [06:45:57] | ** pest789_ goes for a smoke ** | |
| [06:49:37] | bcgrown: | so is the consensus that an 8400GS is good for HD mythtv? and maybe some older games? |
| [06:49:53] | wagnerrp: | im perfectly happy with both of mine |
| [06:49:59] | bcgrown: | looking at this one now http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=49487 |
| [06:50:04] | wagnerrp: | it lacks the better scalers of the 210 |
| [06:50:19] | wagnerrp: | and it lacks the ability to use some of the deinterlacers (the same ones the 210 cant do) |
| [06:50:21] | bcgrown: | can you translate that to retard please? what do these scalers do and why do I care |
| [06:50:50] | pest789_: | heh |
| [06:51:03] | wagnerrp: | if youre not a money waster... er videophile, you probably wont notice the difference |
| [06:51:04] | pest789_: | i dunno – never went beyond 8400gs before ION |
| [06:51:13] | wagnerrp: | there are people who claim they can |
| [06:51:16] | wagnerrp: | and they probably cant |
| [06:51:45] | bcgrown: | all i want is less blurring of high-motion HD videos |
| [06:51:50] | wagnerrp: | besides which, it wont matter in later versions of mythtv anyway |
| [06:51:54] | pest789_: | i'm certainly not picky enough to have ever felt cheated by an 8400gs |
| [06:51:57] | bcgrown: | what i have now is intel X4500, for reference |
| [06:52:04] | wagnerrp: | since there is a push to go all opengl |
| [06:52:12] | pest789_: | it's light years ahead of any intel graphics |
| [06:52:16] | pest789_: | cool |
| [06:52:38] | pest789_: | the one intel based atom board i bought is my nas/mysql box now |
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| [06:52:51] | bcgrown: | opengl > vdpau? |
| [06:53:19] | wagnerrp: | opengl allows compositing, which means all sorts of fancy on screen tricks that can be performed |
| [06:53:53] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to using Xv or VDPAU for output, which puts limitations on what can be done |
| [06:53:58] | bcgrown: | ah |
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| [06:54:22] | pest789_: | i assume they'll still be using vdpau for decode and whatnot and then using opengl for scaling, osd and stuff |
| [06:54:31] | bcgrown: | i c |
| [06:54:40] | wagnerrp: | basically, with opengl rendering, the UI and video would both just be alpha blended textures |
| [06:55:05] | pest789_: | which is how it should be |
| [06:55:17] | wagnerrp: | pest789_: correct, VDPAU and VAAPI both support methods of copying the uncompressed video into an opengl texture |
| [06:55:28] | pest789_: | and then we can have spinny video cubes we can show our friends who were impressed by compiz |
| [06:55:35] | bcgrown: | ugh |
| [06:55:38] | wagnerrp: | no, we dont want spinny cubes |
| [06:55:42] | pest789_: | heheheh |
| [06:55:55] | pest789_: | someone will make spinny cubes – it's inevitable |
| [06:56:05] | pest789_: | otherwise what would be on slashdot? |
| [06:56:35] | wagnerrp: | pest789_: that someone may just get a bag of burning poo shipped to their house |
| [06:56:36] | bcgrown: | wobbly mythtv menus |
| [06:56:43] | pest789_: | heheh |
| [06:56:47] | bcgrown: | that catch on fire when you select them |
| [06:56:53] | wagnerrp: | http://www.dogdoo.com/ |
| [06:57:00] | bcgrown: | which you can then extinguish with raindrops |
| [06:57:07] | bcgrown: | i wish i was making this up... |
| [06:57:10] | wagnerrp: | bcgrown: anyone making wobbly menus may suffer the same fate |
| [06:57:11] | pest789_: | me too |
| [06:57:44] | wagnerrp: | im talking about alpha blends, transitions, animations, better PIP, proper video previews |
| [06:57:58] | pest789_: | nirvana |
| [06:58:04] | wagnerrp: | all the kinds of things you would expect out of a modern home theater UI |
| [06:58:19] | wagnerrp: | but has previously been held back by Xv and (gag) XvMC |
| [06:58:38] | pest789_: | and it will all just appear when you plug your drive in |
| [06:58:49] | bcgrown: | so, one last question about video cards. newegg has a card listed that says "low profile bracket included." ncix has the exact same manufacturer part #, but they don't say if the bracket is included. think i will get it? |
| [06:59:04] | wagnerrp: | bcgrown: you can call and ask |
| [06:59:08] | bcgrown: | afaik none of the low-profile cards on NCIX say whether or not the low profile bracket is included |
| [06:59:19] | pest789_: | if the bigass long hyphenated mfg part number is identical, you should |
| [06:59:20] | bcgrown: | wagnerrp: *sigh* not at this hour. also, i don't speak mandarin |
| [06:59:40] | wagnerrp: | i thought ncix was canadian |
| [07:00:06] | pest789_: | yes, but 'bob' from customer care likely wont be |
| [07:00:55] | bcgrown: | wagnerrp: well yes, but most of their employees speak much better mandarin than english. just like their customers |
| [07:01:04] | pest789_: | :o) |
| [07:01:19] | pest789_: | my mom lives on vancouver island |
| [07:01:25] | pest789_: | i know what you are saying |
| [07:01:29] | bcgrown: | that's a different world |
| [07:01:44] | pest789_: | yeah but i still get the stories |
| [07:02:13] | bcgrown: | i believe ncix started in richmond, where my previous statement applies the most |
| [07:02:20] | pest789_: | indeed |
| [07:02:28] | bcgrown: | however don't get me wrong. i think they are the best thing since sliced bread |
| [07:02:46] | bcgrown: | ncix that is. not a huge fan of richmond. lol |
| [07:03:27] | pest789_: | they must be the canadian version of newegg or vice versa – the universal go-to place to avoid tax and still get good service |
| [07:04:21] | bcgrown: | sort of except their (in store) service is not that great, and i dont avoid any taxes being in the same province. their prices and web service are fantastic |
| [07:04:36] | pest789_: | make sure you get good hdmi cables from monster or someone good though ;o) |
| [07:05:01] | bcgrown: | ha, don't get me started on those |
| [07:05:03] | pest789_: | with better copper molecular alignment for warmer digital signal carrying |
| [07:05:23] | pest789_: | and fruity overtones |
| [07:05:31] | pest789_: | with just a hint of nutmeg |
| [07:06:21] | pest789_: | and also, try my new script – someone has to besides me |
| [07:06:22] | pest789_: | http://code.google.com/p/mythadder/downloads/list |
| [07:06:47] | bcgrown: | hello redditor |
| [07:06:54] | pest789_: | hello to you, sir |
| [07:07:13] | pest789_: | all that positive encouragement and zero downloads |
| [07:07:18] | pest789_: | sigh |
| [07:08:01] | bcgrown: | i think it's a great idea but i don't have a lot of use for it since i have no friends. if it did my photos, however... |
| [07:08:11] | pest789_: | oh no way |
| [07:08:12] | pest789_: | nice |
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| [07:08:14] | pest789_: | lol |
| [07:08:23] | pest789_: | SMALL internet |
| [07:08:54] | wagnerrp: | bcgrown: its not for moving files around, its just for allowing offline files on a single mythtv system |
| [07:09:06] | pest789_: | he knows |
| [07:09:37] | pest789_: | we met before i got it posted on reddit |
| [07:10:55] | pest789_: | bcgrown: kickass account name, btw |
| [07:11:03] | bcgrown: | which one? haha |
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| [07:11:11] | pest789_: | hereforthepuns? |
| [07:11:19] | pest789_: | hear even |
| [07:11:30] | bcgrown: | haha yeah. it really is the only reason i go to reddit |
| [07:12:08] | pest789_: | when a perfect pun storm happens its a thing of beauty |
| [07:12:14] | bcgrown: | anyway, night time is calling my name! |
| [07:12:28] | bcgrown: | good night all |
| [07:12:29] | pest789_: | good night |
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| [07:14:05] | pest789_: | i was just thinking about installing .23 |
| [07:14:33] | pest789_: | that's one of the only major drawbacks of ion boxes – it HURTS to build myth on one |
| [07:14:50] | [R]: | thats why you have a beefy backend that you build on |
| [07:14:50] | wagnerrp: | so dont... build it on a respectable machine and copy it over |
| [07:14:57] | [R]: | my ion is diskless! |
| [07:15:08] | pest789_: | hmmm |
| [07:15:08] | wagnerrp: | all my myth boxes are diskless |
| [07:15:27] | pest789_: | how do you guarantee all dependencies are met and all that |
| [07:15:34] | pest789_: | other than build errors? :) |
| [07:15:35] | [R]: | pest789_: i build in a chroot |
| [07:15:46] | wagnerrp: | pest789_: how do you do that normally? |
| [07:16:22] | pest789_: | compile, look at the errors, look at the google, disable zone minder, rinse repeat |
| [07:16:29] | pest789_: | not very scientific but it works |
| [07:16:50] | wagnerrp: | if you nfs mount the disk onto another system, and chroot into it |
| [07:16:56] | wagnerrp: | you can simply compile on the other system |
| [07:17:01] | pest789_: | omg |
| [07:17:03] | pest789_: | brilliant |
| [07:17:18] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, you can set up distcc and only set it to use the remote machine, not the local one |
| [07:17:24] | pest789_: | jesus i should have come to #mythtv-users in 06 |
| [07:17:32] | [R]: | lol |
| [07:17:47] | [R]: | ffs... i hate having to install the world just so i can compile myth |
| [07:17:54] | pest789_: | your beards are much longer than mine, clearly |
| [07:18:12] | [R]: | pest789_: mine is nonexistant... i just shaved like a week ago |
| [07:18:19] | [R]: | if its between me looking like a serial killer and me looking 17... i usually choose 17 |
| [07:18:29] | pest789_: | heh – i'm scared to – i haven't seen my chin in 22 years |
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| [07:19:57] | pest789_: | all you people who just joined: install my script |
| [07:19:58] | pest789_: | http://code.google.com/p/mythadder/downloads/list |
| [07:20:06] | [R]: | right away! |
| [07:20:10] | wagnerrp: | all both of em? |
| [07:20:15] | pest789_: | lol yeah |
| [07:20:41] | pest789_: | i should be drinking |
| [07:20:55] | wagnerrp: | i should be sleeping |
| [07:21:01] | pest789_: | what you said |
| [07:21:16] | wagnerrp: | but instead, ive been running through last.fm trying to figure out what this song i have stuck in my head is |
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| [07:21:43] | pest789_: | oh god – earlier today i had 'africa' by toto on my head radio |
| [07:21:58] | pest789_: | why is it that only stuff i hate does that? |
| [07:22:07] | pest789_: | now its back |
| [07:22:10] | wagnerrp: | you hate yourself? |
| [07:22:10] | pest789_: | that was dumb |
| [07:22:22] | wagnerrp: | you feel the need to torture yourself |
| [07:22:26] | pest789_: | apparently |
| [07:22:28] | wagnerrp: | maybe youre a masochist |
| [07:23:04] | wagnerrp: | no, its worse to get a melody you like stuck in your head |
| [07:23:15] | pest789_: | no i'm pretty sure its not |
| [07:23:21] | wagnerrp: | because then you spend endless amounts of time trying to figure out what it is |
| [07:23:26] | pest789_: | but it's never happened |
| [07:23:30] | wagnerrp: | and its frustrating, rather than just annoying |
| [07:23:34] | pest789_: | heh |
| [07:23:49] | pest789_: | is it the one that goes da da da da da da da da da da da |
| [07:23:50] | pest789_: | ? |
| [07:24:35] | wagnerrp: | i really wish i could find some simple midi creator for these instances |
| [07:24:50] | wagnerrp: | or maybe i should just go to a record store and start whistling it, i hear those guys love that |
| [07:25:07] | pest789_: | record store? |
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| [07:25:20] | wagnerrp: | those places where you go to buy records? |
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| [07:25:31] | pest789_: | records... records.... hmmm |
| [07:25:46] | wagnerrp: | cds? cassettes? |
| [07:25:46] | pest789_: | like the dmv? |
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| [07:25:56] | wagnerrp: | come on now, youve claimed to have a beard for the last 22 years |
| [07:25:58] | pest789_: | oh those black cds |
| [07:26:06] | pest789_: | yeah i'm just kidding |
| [07:26:36] | wagnerrp: | even though they rarely sell records, and ive honestly never purchased a record |
| [07:26:40] | wagnerrp: | they will always be record stores |
| [07:26:43] | pest789_: | true |
| [07:27:09] | wagnerrp: | right up until the point where they stop stamping CDs and those places go out of business |
| [07:27:32] | pest789_: | yeah i'm truly shocked it hasn't happened yet |
| [07:27:45] | wagnerrp: | although for that matter, ive never purchased a new CD either |
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| [07:28:04] | pest789_: | i quit when all mine got stolen |
| [07:28:37] | pest789_: | and the labels don't offer a nominal replacement fee for stuff you've already 'licensed' |
| [07:28:53] | pest789_: | so f them |
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| [07:29:37] | jst_: | Is there a date that 0.23 final is supposed to be released on? |
| [07:29:48] | pest789_: | you can't sell like spark plugs and prosecute like patent infringement |
| [07:30:02] | pest789_: | jst: i haven't heard one |
| [07:30:02] | wagnerrp: | jst_: its fine to use currently, the release date is at some unknown future date |
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| [07:31:10] | wagnerrp: | pest789_: no, you just use the distributor onto the plug itself, and have a special control off the ECU |
| [07:31:20] | pest789_: | heh |
| [07:31:26] | jst_: | wagnerrp, okay, thanks. Just wondering if it would make it into Ubuntu 10.04 or not. |
| [07:31:33] | wagnerrp: | jst_: it should, yes |
| [07:31:48] | pest789_: | hey so do you boot all your frontends off of one image? |
| [07:31:54] | wagnerrp: | sorta |
| [07:32:49] | wagnerrp: | i have one base image that i maintain, and then clone off for each frontend and apply an overlay of a couple config files |
| [07:32:58] | pest789_: | cool |
| [07:33:27] | [R]: | i have a ro image and then an nfs shared overlay for rw data that is unionfs'd on the frontends |
| [07:33:40] | jst_: | Ohh, 10.04 already has 0.23.24158. Nice. |
| [07:34:45] | pest789_: | jst_: people whine about ubuntu always being semi broken but then they have sweet brand new packages like that – i'll take a little pain rather than waiting |
| [07:35:54] | pest789_: | wagnerrp: sounds like i need to actually read your wiki user page |
| [07:36:15] | pest789_: | probably save me some pain |
| [07:36:33] | pest789_: | that i can replace with some 10.04 pain |
| [07:37:05] | jst_: | wagnerrp, just went to your user page. What is your utility bill like? :) |
| [07:37:18] | jst_: | pest789_, hah yeah. Only what, 1.5 weeks or so? |
| [07:38:21] | jst_: | I'm kind of torn between XFCE and GNOME at the moment. Been using XFCE because I have a low-spec netbook, but GNOME certainly gets more lovin' from Cannonical. |
| [07:38:35] | jst_: | What do you guys use? /ducks |
| [07:39:42] | pest789_: | gnome |
| [07:40:21] | pest789_: | my lowest spec boxes are ions and an old core2 dell 420 laptop |
| [07:40:43] | pest789_: | but no myth on the lappy |
| [07:41:40] | pest789_: | every time i try one of the slimmer desktops, i get mad cause all my gnome stuff is missing or moved and don't give them a chance |
| [07:43:24] | pest789_: | wagnerrp: man you're going to town on that script |
| [07:49:32] | gbee: | jst_: kde ;) |
| [07:50:07] | jst_: | I used to use KDE 3.x. 4.x scared me away. :-X |
| [07:53:28] | pest789_: | me too |
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| [09:05:22] | trigg: | Hi all |
| [09:06:22] | trigg: | I am currently using ubuntu 9.04 for my backend, and I have noticed that the frontend available in the ubuntu repos is newer and doesn't work with the 9.04 version |
| [09:06:35] | trigg: | is there a way round this? |
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| [09:07:06] | trigg: | it says something about the database being 30 versions behind |
| [09:07:19] | [R]: | your versions need to match |
| [09:07:25] | [R]: | the way around it is to make them match |
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| [09:07:55] | trigg: | ah, i take it if i just alter the schema then the backend will stop working? |
| [09:08:11] | [R]: | huh? |
| [09:08:35] | trigg: | if i update the database but not the mythtv version |
| [09:08:49] | trigg: | will the backend stop working? |
| [09:08:49] | [R]: | yeah... great idea there |
| [09:08:51] | [R]: | of course |
| [09:08:58] | [R]: | you think the versiknos are there for fun? |
| [09:09:18] | trigg: | i dont know what database changes have happened |
| [09:09:27] | [R]: | tahts the point of the version |
| [09:09:29] | [R]: | to tell you its different |
| [09:10:36] | gimpy530: | Just built a Mythbuntu box, but it keeps saying no videos exist when I try to browse them. The directories with the videos are in the list, the user running MythTV has read access, but it still claims no videos exist. What a I doing wrong? |
| [09:10:43] | trigg: | ive just got this version working, so im scared to upgrade now :) i was hoping that just the software had changed but not actual db |
| [09:10:47] | [R]: | gimpy530: did you scan? |
| [09:11:01] | trigg: | thanks anyway |
| [09:11:21] | gimpy530: | How do I start a scan? |
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| [09:13:03] | [R]: | you could start with reading the documentation |
| [09:15:27] | gimpy530: | I've skimmed through it already, but I don't see what you are referencing. |
| [09:15:35] | [R]: | the wiki expalins everyhting you need |
| [09:15:40] | [R]: | and reading != skimming |
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| [09:25:51] | gimpy530: | After a scan, still nothing |
| [09:29:12] | trigg: | did it do a mythfilldb or whatever it is afterwards? |
| [09:30:35] | gimpy530: | yes |
| [09:33:16] | gbee: | gimpy530: Menu (M) > Scan for Changes |
| [09:33:33] | gimpy530: | Did that, still says there are no videos |
| [09:33:57] | gbee: | ok, you need to check the logs, maybe |
| [09:37:04] | gimpy530: | Not seeing anything special in the logs right after I try to do a scan. |
| [09:37:31] | gbee: | where did you configure the directories? |
| [09:38:48] | gimpy530: | Frontend – utilities/setup – setup – media settings – video settings – general settings – directories that hold videos |
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| [09:40:48] | gbee: | gimpy530: and you separated each path with a colon (:) ? |
| [09:40:54] | gimpy530: | yes |
| [09:43:22] | trigg: | what filetype are they? mpg, mp4? |
| [09:44:19] | gbee: | gimpy530: the absolute file path? e.g. /mnt/drive/path/to/directory ? |
| [09:44:28] | gimpy530: | various: avi, mpg, kv, a few others in there smoewhere |
| [09:44:35] | gimpy530: | yes, full local path |
| [09:45:31] | trigg: | gimpy530: you're a bit stuck then :) |
| [09:45:51] | gbee: | gimpy530: you could try using the new storage groups instead, that's the preferred method of defining the location, the one in the frontend settings is going away eventually |
| [09:46:05] | gbee: | mythtv-setup > Storage Groups > Video |
| [09:48:06] | gimpy530: | Tried that already too |
| [09:49:03] | gbee: | then the only thing I can possibly think of is that the permissions are somehow wrong, which you've said isn't the case |
| [09:49:27] | trigg: | you could try connecting to the mysql db and checking your diretories are in the storagegroup table |
| [09:49:54] | gbee: | trigg: if they appear in the UI then they will be in the db |
| [09:49:59] | gimpy530: | both the user running the front end and the mythtv user it created during the install are part of a group with read perms |
| [09:51:51] | gbee: | gimpy530: I'm sure it's going to be something silly and obvious, but without being able to sit in front of your machine it would just be a rather tedious game of guesses |
| [09:52:15] | [R]: | i clearly have both config.xml and mysql.txt yet its still trying to connect (and failing) to a local mysql |
| [09:52:16] | [R]: | what gives |
| [09:53:26] | gbee: | [R]: we need logs and the content of both those files |
| [09:53:37] | [R]: | any particular verbose option? |
| [09:53:46] | gbee: | default will do for now |
| [09:58:07] | trigg: | gimpy530: you could go overkill on the permissions and do a chmod 777 on your video directory, just to rule it out. You can put it back to normal afterwards |
| [09:58:13] | [R]: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1866116 |
| [09:58:56] | gimpy530: | trigg: That was my next idea, as well as doing a chown to the needed user rather than using a group |
| [09:59:50] | [R]: | gbee: n/m... it seems to be working now |
| [10:03:14] | trigg: | gimpy530: is this a mounted network share or a local directory |
| [10:03:33] | gimpy530: | nfs mounted locally |
| [10:04:11] | gimpy530: | and chmod 777 also did not work |
| [10:04:31] | trigg: | gimpy530: Has the account you are mounting the nfs share with got full permissions? |
| [10:05:05] | gimpy530: | yes |
| [10:06:08] | trigg: | stupid question time, can you play the videos in mplayer or vlc? |
| [10:06:39] | gimpy530: | yes |
| [10:06:54] | trigg: | well, i think we can rule the filesystem out then :) |
| [10:07:19] | gimpy530: | I think so as well, seeing as even a chown with 777 didn't work. |
| [10:07:32] | gimpy530: | chown to the mythtv user* |
| [10:07:58] | trigg: | agreed :) so can you see any videos at all in mythtv? recorded tv or anything? |
| [10:08:46] | gimpy530: | I've only pointed it toward two directories with videos, it is not connected to to record TV yet |
| [10:09:44] | trigg: | well, its beyond me, apologies :( |
| [10:12:36] | gimpy530: | hmm, time to give other software a try then. |
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| [10:29:28] | [R]: | VICTORY IS MINE |
| [10:32:14] | pest789_: | ok distcc is the bee's knees |
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| [11:30:25] | gbee: | gimpy530: reasonably certain it's some sort of config/system issue, especially since two different code paths (local setting vs storage groups) fail to work, you could try running the frontend with -v file, but I really don't know if that's going to show anything, offhand I don't know what sort of debugging was put into mythvideo |
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| [12:34:57] | Guest78930: | Im trying to do a database backup and keep getting a |
| [12:34:57] | Guest78930: | <Guest78930> mysqldump: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) when trying to connect |
| [12:35:53] | bjd: | are you connecting as a) mythtv b) with teh correct password c) from localhost? |
| [12:36:41] | bjd: | tho i bet it's the wrong password |
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| [13:14:25] | Finn10111: | hi everyone.. i wonder whether there is any possibility to dynamicly create encoder profiles for mytharchive. i want to burn my recordings with good quality and leaving not much free space on the dvd.. |
| [13:15:24] | Guest78930: | bjd attemting to connect as mythtv i think |
| [13:15:56] | Finn10111: | bjd? |
| [13:16:37] | TheAsp: | heh bj daemon |
| [13:17:52] | Guest78930: | Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' to database 'mythtv' when selecting the database |
| [13:18:02] | Guest78930: | I am logged in as dad |
| [13:18:27] | Guest78930: | this should be simple |
| [13:18:31] | Guest78930: | woe is me |
| [13:18:47] | Guest78930: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Backup_your_databa . . . _and_Restore |
| [13:18:53] | Guest78930: | Im following the guide |
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| [14:42:11] | somethinginteres: | what's the deal with translating Myth? How can one contribute? |
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| [15:37:05] | wagnerrp: | people dont stick around long enough after asking a question... |
| [15:37:56] | jamesd_laptop: | there is tv to watch, commercials to skip, how can they spend time in irc getting questions answered ;-) |
| [15:39:30] | wagnerrp: | they dont have to spend time |
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| [15:39:34] | wagnerrp: | just leave their client open |
| [15:39:40] | wagnerrp: | and maybe someone will get back to them |
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| [15:42:59] | bsdfox: | hey is .23 based on QT4? |
| [15:45:12] | wagnerrp: | and 0.22 |
| [15:46:30] | bsdfox: | cool. I'm updating from .21-fixes and forgot to set my qmake to use qt3 but it seems like it's compiling fine |
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| [15:49:22] | MilhousePunkRock: | Hello everyone! |
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| [15:53:56] | MilhousePunkRock: | The recordings schedule of my combined Master BE/FE somehow got corrupted/deleted (without me messing around). This in on Mythbuntu 8.04.1, myth 0.21 |
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| [15:54:31] | MilhousePunkRock: | It says I havent scheduled anything, if I try to it will not accept it and the schedule is still empty |
| [15:55:21] | wagnerrp: | is your database corrupted? |
| [15:57:30] | MilhousePunkRock: | wagnerrp: I fear so... I already tried checking database health via mythweb, it has an error already and won't let me scan or fix the db even |
| [15:58:02] | wagnerrp: | MilhousePunkRock: close down everything that may be using the database |
| [15:58:09] | MilhousePunkRock: | wagnerrp: I have next to no knowledge about mysql though, in case there is a way to fix it on a terminal, i will need some guidance |
| [15:58:12] | wagnerrp: | and then follow procedures for recovering a mysql table |
| [15:58:42] | MilhousePunkRock: | wagnerrp: Everything will most likely be mythbackend and mythfrontend, and any remote connections, right? |
| [15:59:18] | bjd: | "show processlist" should show anything connected |
| [15:59:20] | wagnerrp: | the frontend and backend (on every machine running them) should be sufficient |
| [16:00:54] | MilhousePunkRock: | bjd: That's in the mysql shell, right? |
| [16:00:55] | wagnerrp: | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/repair-table.html |
| [16:01:04] | bjd: | MilhousePunkRock: yes |
| [16:01:05] | MilhousePunkRock: | Let me get my password quickly |
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| [16:05:02] | Outlier: | I wonder if someone could recommend an app or two to monitor my internet connection – it seems to work fine after resetting the equipment, but dies off a few hours later, and I'd like to figure out how & why. |
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| [16:05:49] | bjd: | myth_monitor_internet_connection.pl |
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| [16:06:29] | Outlier: | bjd: thanks |
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| [16:12:10] | MilhousePunkRock: | wagnerrp, bjd: I am afraid we will have to go a little more basic. How do I enter the mysql shell to begin with? |
| [16:12:22] | wagnerrp: | 'mysql' |
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| [16:15:16] | MilhousePunkRock: | mysql -p -u root : ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [16:15:38] | wagnerrp: | then you typed in the wrong password |
| [16:16:02] | wagnerrp: | or you specified a password when there is none |
| [16:16:29] | MilhousePunkRock: | The later... |
| [16:16:33] | wagnerrp: | ubuntu might do something special, but mysql comes with no password by default |
| [16:16:55] | MilhousePunkRock: | Now I realise that it is the password for mythconverg, but not mysql itself |
| [16:17:49] | MilhousePunkRock: | OK, show processlist returns nothing, so I assume there is nothing connected... |
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| [16:26:21] | MilhousePunkRock: | wagnerrp: How to find out which table needs repair? |
| [16:26:41] | MilhousePunkRock: | And should I do a database backup first, just in case I screw things up even worse? |
| [16:27:01] | wagnerrp: | its always a good idea to do backups |
| [16:27:25] | wagnerrp: | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysqlcheck.html |
| [16:27:46] | MilhousePunkRock: | wagnerrp: Is this what is also done when testing DB health in mythweb? |
| [16:28:10] | wagnerrp: | i believe the db health in mythweb is basically a wrapper around mysqlcheck |
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| [16:39:57] | MilhousePunkRock: | wagnerrp: Where is the mythconverg file, anyway? |
| [16:40:34] | MilhousePunkRock: | Or rather, how do I run mysqlcheck on it? mysqlcheck mythconverg does nothing |
| [16:47:08] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to mess with the raw database files |
| [16:47:19] | wagnerrp: | everything you should be doing is through the mysqld daemon |
| [16:47:44] | wagnerrp: | as for what youre doing wrong, i dont know |
| [16:47:55] | wagnerrp: | its been years since ive had to do recovery on my database |
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| [16:55:43] | MilhousePunkRock: | wagnerrp: Possibly there is something wrong with mysql here, no command does anything, not even "help" or "exit" |
| [16:56:46] | MilhousePunkRock: | I open the mysql console with "mysql -u root", |
| [16:57:34] | clever: | MilhousePunkRock: what is the prompt mysql is giving? |
| [16:57:54] | MilhousePunkRock: | mysql> |
| [16:58:12] | MilhousePunkRock: | and the next line would be -> after I typed any command |
| [16:58:40] | clever: | its waiting for a ; |
| [16:58:48] | MilhousePunkRock: | Do I have to specify that I would like to see the output? |
| [16:58:56] | clever: | if the 1st line doesnt look like an internal command, then its a sql query and it must end with ; |
| [16:59:34] | MilhousePunkRock: | clever: Ok, that helps, partly |
| [16:59:51] | markl_: | ok 0.23 is having a major hiccup for me, there is a full schedule and rules but it says that there is nothing to record |
| [16:59:59] | markl_: | i did an upgrade from 0.22 |
| [17:00:22] | markl_: | what is the best way to start debugging a problem like this? |
| [17:01:04] | MilhousePunkRock: | clever: ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'mysqlcheck mythconverg' at line 1 |
| [17:01:48] | clever: | mysqlcheck is an external program |
| [17:02:48] | MilhousePunkRock: | clever: HEUREKA |
| [17:04:11] | clever: | internaly mysqlcheck just runs querys like 'check table xyz' for you, so if you knew that you could still do it all from the mysql shell |
| [17:04:57] | MilhousePunkRock: | clever: Now I need to figure out whether recordmatch can be repaired and how... repair table is a mysql query though, isnt it? |
| [17:05:16] | clever: | 'repair table recordmatch;' in the mysql shell |
| [17:06:10] | MilhousePunkRock: | clever: You missed the mythconverg. there ;) |
| [17:06:30] | MilhousePunkRock: | Repair worked though |
| [17:06:33] | clever: | i always go directly to mythconverg when starting it so its the default |
| [17:06:44] | clever: | mysql -p -u mythtv mythconverg |
| [17:06:46] | MilhousePunkRock: | let me reboot the mythbox and see if it does the trick |
| [17:06:58] | clever: | no need to reboot anything |
| [17:07:03] | clever: | just restart mythbackend |
| [17:07:16] | MilhousePunkRock: | clever: As I stated earlier, I have next to no knowledge of mysql |
| [17:07:32] | MilhousePunkRock: | That, plus I got up 14 hours ago due to the volcano cloud |
| [17:07:43] | MilhousePunkRock: | and spent 9 hours in two trains today so far |
| [17:07:45] | clever: | i got up about 30 minutes ago |
| [17:08:03] | clever: | and technicaly, i have yet to actualy 'get up', i'm still in bed:P |
| [17:08:41] | MilhousePunkRock: | WOOHOOO! |
| [17:08:45] | MilhousePunkRock: | Sorry for shouting |
| [17:08:51] | MilhousePunkRock: | But the schedule is back |
| [17:08:53] | MilhousePunkRock: | :D |
| [17:09:10] | clever: | i think mysql will log when tables are discovered to be bad |
| [17:09:25] | clever: | and there is a helper app that runs on bootup to check everything and email you a report if its bad |
| [17:09:43] | clever: | ive got some 4gig tables, so it takes a while for that thing to run |
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| [17:10:40] | MilhousePunkRock: | clever: That happened while I was out of the country at a conference |
| [17:10:56] | MilhousePunkRock: | And my wife called me to tell me that there are no recordings scheduled anymore |
| [17:11:01] | clever: | ah |
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| [17:12:22] | MilhousePunkRock: | clever: Fortunately Friday – Sunday have the least recordings, so we only missed two now... I tried to guide her to fix the table via mythweb, but that was not working |
| [17:12:51] | clever: | this is where ssh would come in handy |
| [17:12:56] | clever: | login remotely and fix it |
| [17:13:18] | MilhousePunkRock: | clever: I thought so, but I have not set this up in my router, neither would I have known my external IP |
| [17:13:41] | MilhousePunkRock: | clever: On top of this, I would not have found the error myself anyway |
| [17:13:51] | clever: | yeah |
| [17:14:00] | clever: | you would have still needed #mythtv-users |
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| [17:14:32] | clever: | using a program like ddclient and www.dyndns.com, you can get a free domain pointing to your IP |
| [17:14:47] | clever: | VPN software can do similar stuff |
| [17:14:59] | MilhousePunkRock: | clever: I thing my router might have those capabilities already |
| [17:15:13] | clever: | yeah, my dlink does |
| [17:15:25] | clever: | but it cant forward nearly enough ports for me, so i made a linux router |
| [17:15:32] | MilhousePunkRock: | FritzBoxes do everything, except cooking coffee |
| [17:16:09] | clever: | overclock it and youll get your coffee:P |
| [17:16:27] | MilhousePunkRock: | clever: I recently stepped back a little when I replaced my NSLU2 w/ Debian by an ordinary router with UPNP server functionality |
| [17:16:45] | MilhousePunkRock: | clever: There are wifi or ethernet capable coffee makers... |
| [17:17:02] | clever: | lol |
| [17:17:45] | MilhousePunkRock: | I am still thinking to completely renew ye olde masterbackend, it's an ancient P4... I might do the complete thing with automated database backups, and remote access from the outside world even |
| [17:17:54] | MilhousePunkRock: | For the next time I leave the country... |
| [17:18:32] | MilhousePunkRock: | Although I would be scared about invaders in that case... |
| [17:18:55] | clever: | with a vpn like hamachi, you can have 0 ports forwarded and still access every port on the system |
| [17:19:06] | clever: | ive even run mythfrontend over it before, but it lagged like hell |
| [17:20:19] | MilhousePunkRock: | OK, dinner is ready and the day is saved, Thanks a lot for the help clever, wagnerrp and bjd! |
| [17:20:36] | MilhousePunkRock: | Have a nice day/evening/night everyone! |
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| [17:40:14] | wagnerrp: | i see services like dyndns as the same thing as people not wanting to subscribe to schedules direct |
| [17:40:53] | clever: | id use dyndns for mythweb hosting |
| [17:41:03] | clever: | if i didnt already own a full domain |
| [17:41:04] | wagnerrp: | dont you have a domain? |
| [17:41:12] | wagnerrp: | oh, you would use... |
| [17:41:31] | wagnerrp: | why use dyndns instead of just getting a domain? |
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| [17:41:45] | wagnerrp: | i mean there are any number of registrars out there who will sell you one for a couple bucks a year |
| [17:41:47] | clever: | why pay an extra 20$ a year when you can get one for free |
| [17:41:51] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, why not? |
| [17:41:54] | wagnerrp: | i pay $8 |
| [17:42:19] | tgm4883: | thats almost half a SD subscription |
| [17:42:25] | clever: | some people just dont know how dns works that well and would do better with the simplicity of dyndns |
| [17:42:33] | clever: | some routers even handle the update for you |
| [17:42:34] | justinh: | meh. dyndns saves you the effort of having to know how dns really works |
| [17:42:39] | clever: | exactly |
| [17:43:01] | wagnerrp: | i could be completely clueless as to how dns works and still set up my domain through my registrar's web gui |
| [17:43:18] | justinh: | well, for those with sane control panels |
| [17:43:22] | wagnerrp: | its hardly more complex than dyndns's setup |
| [17:43:39] | clever: | my registrar only had an entry for the nameserver ip's and for signing up for there web hosting |
| [17:43:52] | clever: | i could only use there NS if i pay for there web hosting |
| [17:43:53] | justinh: | plus, those of us without static IP addresses really need something nice like dyndns |
| [17:44:23] | wagnerrp: | my registrar allows TTLs of as low as half an hour |
| [17:44:31] | justinh: | but nah, using dyndns isn't akin to refusing to pay for SD |
| [17:44:54] | justinh: | the freetards who want everything on a stick for free, music, films & all.. I'd put those in the same boat as non-SD scrapers |
| [17:44:58] | tgm4883: | I use dyndns and pay for SD |
| [17:45:22] | wagnerrp: | i used to use dyndns |
| [17:45:28] | clever: | im paying for 1 domain, 2 hosting sites, and schedules direct |
| [17:45:45] | clever: | a while back dyndns cut using *.mydomain.x from free accounts |
| [17:45:46] | wagnerrp: | but a couple years back, i got a free domain for a year with a pair of headphones (odd combination right?) |
| [17:45:52] | clever: | so i couldnt add extra words anymore |
| [17:46:00] | justinh: | I know somebody who happens to be a paid up member of the uk pirate party. their views on copyright are er... silly to say the least |
| [17:46:01] | wagnerrp: | and now i just claim ignorance as to why i didnt purchase one sooner |
| [17:46:03] | clever: | yeah that is odd |
| [17:46:36] | justinh: | wagnerrp: well, it's another expense. I was paying £50 a year for hosting.. weighed up my options & just sacked it |
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| [17:52:57] | bcgrown: | anyone here have Boxee as one of their mythtv menu items? |
| [17:53:25] | bcgrown: | every time i launch it, mythtv steals the focus back :( |
| [17:53:43] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt steal focus |
| [17:53:55] | wagnerrp: | focus issues are generally due to not having a window manager set up |
| [17:54:01] | wagnerrp: | or otherwise having one improperly configured |
| [17:54:10] | bcgrown: | well i'm on mythbuntu so i've got whatever the default there is |
| [17:54:34] | bcgrown: | xfwm i guess |
| [17:55:58] | justinh: | breaks my heart to see people running external player apps having problems. oh wait... <snigger> |
| [17:56:30] | bcgrown: | ha.. well if mythtv could do what boxee could, i wouldn't need to |
| [17:56:47] | bcgrown: | and i would *way* rather have it that way |
| [17:57:18] | wagnerrp: | problem is that mythtv has this strange aversion to bypassing lockouts and breaking ToS |
| [17:58:08] | bcgrown: | not sure what you're referring to. if it's any of the US tv sites.. well i dont get those anyway |
| [17:58:13] | bcgrown: | hulu et al |
| [17:58:30] | wagnerrp: | what do you use it for? |
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| [18:01:14] | bcgrown: | youtube, university apps, daily kitten.. lol |
| [18:01:32] | wagnerrp: | youtube is supported under 0.23 |
| [18:01:42] | wagnerrp: | the other two... you can try writing grabbers for |
| [18:01:57] | bcgrown: | indeed i am eagerly awaiting the next mythbuntu partly for that |
| [18:01:57] | wagnerrp: | or if they have an RSS feed, the work is already done for you |
| [18:02:01] | fixxxermet: | Looking for some help with minimyth. Particularly the "MM_THEME_URL" option and how it releates to themes |
| [18:05:09] | bcgrown: | i know there are lots with RSS feeds but that doesn't work for stuff like NFB, ted talks, etc. where you might want to select a certain video |
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| [18:05:35] | wagnerrp: | then write a grabber to provide custom searches |
| [18:06:00] | bcgrown: | a grabber for what? |
| [18:06:13] | wagnerrp: | those websites |
| [18:06:15] | bcgrown: | you give me too much credit though |
| [18:07:15] | bcgrown: | i mean, where would the grabber go? mythnetvision? i have tried video feeds with mythnews in 0.22, but there seems to be no way to download content ahead of time |
| [18:07:30] | bcgrown: | i think maybe miro is the answer to that, but i haven't gotten around to setting it up yet |
| [18:07:32] | wagnerrp: | bcgrown: for good reason |
| [18:07:41] | bcgrown: | what good reason is that? |
| [18:07:51] | wagnerrp: | most of those websites do not allow downloads as per their terms of service |
| [18:08:05] | wagnerrp: | streaming, and the limited caching performed by their flash player only |
| [18:08:30] | bcgrown: | maybe not some of those ones but the RSS feeds i've added are from podcasts which are definitely intended for downloading |
| [18:08:54] | wagnerrp: | MNV can be made to download content, if the grabber is set up that way |
| [18:09:17] | fixxxermet: | OK. I think I got the theme options right, but now the minimyth frontend gets to "configuring MythTV..." and just sits there |
| [18:09:38] | bcgrown: | cool. can't wait for mythbuntu 10.04 |
| [18:09:47] | bcgrown: | have there been any updates to mythmusic for 0.23? |
| [18:09:51] | bcgrown: | i didn't see anything on the wiki |
| [18:10:11] | wagnerrp: | no, not in 0.23 |
| [18:10:23] | wagnerrp: | there is a rewrite in the works, hopefully for 0.24 |
| [18:11:01] | bcgrown: | ah, that's another reason for boxee. 0.22's music browser is less than stellar |
| [18:11:20] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [18:11:28] | wagnerrp: | it works fine, but the UI is a bit dated |
| [18:11:32] | justinh: | I wish I'd left boxee running for more time. it might've finished scanning my collection by now |
| [18:11:35] | bcgrown: | making playlists is painful |
| [18:11:39] | RDV_Linux: | bcgrown: In mythbuntu 10.04 is a Media-Center-Control plugin that automates the installation and integration of Miro with MythTV. MNV and MiroBridge can both be used cover most of your Internet video needs. |
| [18:11:55] | bcgrown: | RDV_Linux: saw that too. very cool |
| [18:12:01] | justinh: | bcgrown: as with any other OSS app, mythtv is only as good as the contributions people bother with |
| [18:12:30] | bcgrown: | i only wish i was able to contribute more. i suck at coding |
| [18:12:35] | wagnerrp: | and right now, mythtv has maybe a dozen active developers, and rather few contributing users |
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| [18:13:05] | justinh: | soon as this room conversion at home is done.. and my new backend is online... I'm gonna be back in the game |
| [18:14:39] | bcgrown: | what is a contributing user? i would love to contribute but i also don't really want to run an unstable box. doesn't help the GAF |
| [18:14:50] | justinh: | bcgrown: people who send halfway decent patches |
| [18:15:05] | justinh: | you don't need a whole new system.. a laptop will do :) |
| [18:15:55] | bcgrown: | hmm that i could od |
| [18:15:57] | bcgrown: | *do |
| [18:16:41] | justinh: | nobody expects much, even just the simplest of patches can improve things for everybody |
| [18:17:01] | justinh: | wouldn't expect your first patch to be 20,000 lines of refactored code |
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| [18:26:11] | justinh: | heh. a 'helpful' friend has suggested I can download 'V' from iTunes. Yeah, bet I could drop that into mythvideo just fine. |
| [18:26:58] | dfletcher: | justinh you in the US? it's on Hulu, that could work |
| [18:30:18] | wagnerrp: | no, brit |
| [18:30:37] | dfletcher: | man Hulu sucks like that. jerks :) |
| [18:30:51] | wagnerrp: | hey, maybe i could throw it up on mythtorrent for you |
| [18:31:09] | jamesd_laptop: | dfletcher, just like bbc wont let me stream it while i'm in the u.s. |
| [18:31:38] | dfletcher: | jamesd_laptop, heh. I get my Doctor Who off BT ;) |
| [18:31:56] | dfletcher: | since otherwise it takes AGES ;) |
| [18:32:06] | clever: | i discovered a while back that if i use a private proxy on the LAN, i bork the country detection for some sites |
| [18:32:21] | clever: | the proxy is revealing the private ip of 10.0.0.105 and the site is trusting that too much |
| [18:32:31] | clever: | then it finds its not in any country, and cant block me:P |
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| [18:33:37] | tank-man: | interesting |
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| [18:35:01] | justinh: | wagnerrp: I'll just wait & get it on dvd. if you can rent it |
| [18:35:10] | justinh: | might be tosh anyway |
| [18:37:08] | jamesd_laptop: | clever, that is because the site is using the wrong ip, your originating ip is there as well... |
| [18:37:34] | justinh: | I CBA with stuff like hulu anyway. flash video playback sucks |
| [18:37:53] | justinh: | don't care if it *is* 'free' if the video tears |
| [18:38:27] | clever: | jamesd_laptop: yeah, the site is trusting the proxy header too much and then screwing up and defaulting to allow |
| [18:38:39] | dfletcher: | heh yeah it was terrible for me until I installed swiftfox and then only marginally better. heh everyone seems to think HTML 5 is going to fix this but I forsee a quagmire |
| [18:38:53] | justinh: | giggity |
| [18:38:57] | dfletcher: | :) |
| [18:39:24] | justinh: | I dunno, if they just blimmin trusted users for once |
| [18:40:05] | wagnerrp: | justinh: well when their users steal Doctor Who using bittorrent, who can blame them |
| [18:40:08] | GrahamIRC: | Gotta agree with you there Justin, great picture and sound are part of what make a great film/series – I'd rather wait a few months than see it early on flash |
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| [18:41:12] | justinh: | I made a big mistake proclaiming that downloaders deserve all they've got coming to them on twitter. sheesh. I was deluged by freetards |
| [18:41:41] | dfletcher: | wagnerrp, "steal" man that's harsh. I certainly do not. I just get it early. I have every Doctor Who DVD ever released. so meh to you :P |
| [18:42:07] | justinh: | you wouldn't steal a handbag.. well people might if we had replicators ;) |
| [18:42:43] | wagnerrp: | if we had replicators, the shear energy requirement would be far more costly than any possible handbag |
| [18:42:56] | justinh: | like the freeloaders would care |
| [18:43:11] | justinh: | but teh free man! teh free! |
| [18:43:14] | tank-man: | the sun has lots of energy |
| [18:43:55] | justinh: | this guy started on me about yelling at him for downloading everything just cos it's there.. not cos they necessarily wanted it. oh boy |
| [18:44:07] | bcgrown: | tank-man: yeah but we waste most of it |
| [18:44:09] | justinh: | we went to the moon, just cos it's there, etc |
| [18:44:26] | justinh: | never gonna get into that argument again |
| [18:44:54] | wagnerrp: | he compared downloading movies to travelling to the moon? |
| [18:44:59] | justinh: | yup |
| [18:45:06] | wagnerrp: | that man has one warped sense of accomplishment |
| [18:45:13] | justinh: | they're not rational people, many of those freeloaders |
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| [18:46:06] | dfletcher: | justinh, hahaha 4 seconds of browsing the comments on tpb would prove that statement :P |
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| [18:47:00] | dfletcher: | so funny too. like how some people get really angry about quality issues and stuff. beggers being choosers :P |
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| [18:47:21] | justinh: | man, this should totally be a 15-pass mkv |
| [18:47:49] | clever: | id think 3 pass would do |
| [18:47:55] | clever: | 15 is just overkill |
| [18:48:01] | AndyCap: | justinh: more like, this won't fit on a CDR |
| [18:48:12] | wagnerrp: | because people who use more than 2-pass are retarded, and people who use more than 1-pass care too much for exact file size |
| [18:48:16] | justinh: | thought more than 2 was overkill but hey ho |
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| [18:50:33] | dfletcher: | hmm you know if the BBC had a paid service like netflix with VOD, I'd totally subscribe |
| [18:51:10] | wagnerrp: | if the BBC had a paid service like netflix, it would be equally locked down as netflix, and equally unusable in linux/mythtv as netflix |
| [18:51:30] | dfletcher: | heh well. I'd still pay. |
| [18:51:31] | bjd: | the bbc is a paid service :p |
| [18:51:38] | dfletcher: | if you live in the UK ;) |
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| [18:54:08] | dfletcher: | speaking of that, what's up with the nextflix plugin? I mean, isn't it a bit useless? |
| [18:54:17] | wagnerrp: | what netflix plugin? |
| [18:54:26] | justinh: | mythflix |
| [18:54:29] | justinh: | now gone IIRC |
| [18:54:32] | wagnerrp: | mythflix? |
| [18:54:34] | dfletcher: | heh |
| [18:54:35] | wagnerrp: | there is no such thing |
| [18:54:42] | dfletcher: | well there is in mythbuntu |
| [18:55:08] | dfletcher: | it just listed the movies. how silly |
| [18:55:19] | wagnerrp: | mythflix was written way back before the instant streaming existed |
| [18:55:25] | wagnerrp: | it was to allow you to manage your mail queue |
| [18:55:28] | dfletcher: | ah |
| [18:55:43] | justinh: | and the streaming won't work in linux without jumping through many hoops |
| [18:55:51] | dfletcher: | yeah I figured that ;) |
| [18:55:53] | justinh: | so ... resistance is futile |
| [18:56:03] | dfletcher: | make moonlight look like silverlight on XP or something |
| [18:56:11] | dfletcher: | pain |
| [18:56:12] | wagnerrp: | cant do it |
| [18:56:16] | dfletcher: | no? |
| [18:56:28] | wagnerrp: | microsoft hasnt released the specs on the DRM implementation in silverlight |
| [18:56:36] | wagnerrp: | so it cannot be duplicated in moonlight |
| [18:56:36] | dfletcher: | ah |
| [18:57:03] | wagnerrp: | at which point it did release the specs and get support in moonlight, it would cease to be DRM and would be no more than a conditional access system |
| [18:58:00] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | wagnerrp: in other words it's security by obfuscation... |
| [18:58:07] | wagnerrp: | exactly |
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| [18:58:09] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | aka, totally useless. |
| [18:58:15] | wagnerrp: | did you ever believe DRM to be anything else? |
| [18:58:22] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | wagnerrp: no |
| [18:58:39] | ** AndyCap wonders when people will figure out that DRM hasn't prevented a single movie from being pirated and just move to CA ** | |
| [18:58:49] | dfletcher: | yeah and this is so dumb. netflix has made it so that I can watch this at my desk but not in my living room. brilliant :P |
| [18:58:59] | wagnerrp: | when you give the content AND the keys to the consumer, the only way to keep it secure is obfuscation |
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| [18:59:08] | AndyCap: | dfletcher: they want you to buy a roku or something. :P |
| [18:59:10] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | the only thing anywhere usefull is conditional access, where one has to log in to access something. |
| [18:59:14] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: you dont actually believe DRM has anything to do with piracy do you? |
| [18:59:24] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | but that's user access control, not DRM. |
| [18:59:25] | dfletcher: | AndyCap, yeah. heh call me silly but I like control ;) |
| [18:59:26] | justinh: | they tell us it has, but it's not |
| [18:59:50] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | once logged in, it's still copyable... |
| [18:59:53] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: depends what you mean by believe |
| [19:00:09] | wagnerrp: | piracy is the public excuse for DRM, not the reason for it |
| [19:00:12] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: that's what its being sold as. but sure, vendor lockin is what they're pushing |
| [19:00:33] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: or are you thinking something more sinister like evaporating content? |
| [19:00:53] | justinh: | imagine if you bought a disc & it'd only work in one manufacturer's player.. that's a movie mogul's wet dream |
| [19:01:08] | AndyCap: | justinh: only if you're the one selling players. |
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| [19:01:15] | justinh: | yeah and? |
| [19:01:26] | wagnerrp: | im thinking if all they cared about was piracy, they would realize that the general consumer that they are locking out are not who is causing it |
| [19:01:40] | AndyCap: | that would kind of leave microsoft and apple out in the cold |
| [19:01:47] | wagnerrp: | and usenet/ftp/whatever makes no dent on their bottom line |
| [19:02:12] | justinh: | wagnerrp: because the people who get stuff that way aren't causing any lost sales :) |
| [19:02:26] | justinh: | cos if you're gonna pay you'll pay no matter |
| [19:02:39] | AndyCap: | justinh: uh, no. |
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| [19:02:53] | wagnerrp: | DRM is about making people pay again and again and again for each new format, simply because they dont know better |
| [19:03:02] | AndyCap: | justinh: I'm not going to buy a windows streaming machine to use some for pay streaming service |
| [19:03:18] | justinh: | AndyCap: no you're not. but people are dumb enough to |
| [19:03:24] | AndyCap: | but I'm sure I'm just a statistical blip |
| [19:03:32] | justinh: | Sky TV customers do. DirectTV customers do... |
| [19:03:38] | wagnerrp: | you didnt buy that disk, you bought a license to play the content |
| [19:03:44] | clever: | my dad upgraded from WMP 9 to 11 |
| [19:03:50] | clever: | now he cant play any of his own music! |
| [19:03:54] | justinh: | hahaha |
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| [19:03:55] | wagnerrp: | wait... no... i mean you didnt buy a license to play that content, you bought a license to use that disk |
| [19:03:58] | justinh: | that'll lern him! |
| [19:04:45] | wagnerrp: | clever: just re-rip it? |
| [19:05:05] | clever: | wagnerrp: that would work but the new cd-rom drive is possessed |
| [19:05:13] | clever: | it ejects at random, often with the disk still spinning |
| [19:05:25] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | urm, ditch WMP, and rerip that disc to ogg... |
| [19:05:30] | AndyCap: | of course, I wouldn't mind someone killing off the national licensing organizations and start selling satellite subscriptions without borders |
| [19:06:36] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: i thought the DRM stuff was already disabled, so the files should work in any player |
| [19:06:39] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | AndyCap: I would like them to just stop putting region coding on DVDs and such, and just release internationally on the same day... |
| [19:06:54] | AndyCap: | Cap_J_L_Picard: heh, if only |
| [19:07:26] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | the excuse that it's logisticaly impossible is well <several expletives here> |
| [19:07:46] | AndyCap: | Cap_J_L_Picard: not the dvd's the film prints are logistically impossible. |
| [19:08:11] | AndyCap: | so bring on the digital movie distribution for cinemas |
| [19:08:20] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | AndyCap: No, it's not, there are some cinema releases that have been released internationally... |
| [19:08:26] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | on the same day |
| [19:08:39] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | just delay it the week in the US... |
| [19:08:41] | AndyCap: | Cap_J_L_Picard: wonder how much that cost |
| [19:08:41] | wagnerrp: | i dont see why movies arent released in theater/rental/dvd all on the same day |
| [19:08:59] | wagnerrp: | just imagine how much they would save on advertising if they only had to do it once |
| [19:09:11] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | wagnerrp: the cinema's like to make money is why... |
| [19:09:15] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: because they have stock in the cinema chains? |
| [19:09:31] | wagnerrp: | the cinema chains dont make money on ticket sales |
| [19:09:34] | wagnerrp: | its all in the food |
| [19:09:46] | wagnerrp: | and besides, those are all three completely separate markets |
| [19:09:51] | wagnerrp: | with little cross over |
| [19:09:57] | clever: | i'll remember to stuff my pockets more |
| [19:10:23] | wagnerrp: | the person buying a dvd is a collector, theyre going to buy it anyway |
| [19:10:26] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | wagnerrp: would you go to the cinema or play DVD on your (just as good now) home theater system? |
| [19:10:36] | clever: | or is buying your own food and bringing it in the same as downloading torrents? :P |
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| [19:10:42] | wagnerrp: | the person going to the cinema is going for the experience |
| [19:10:50] | AndyCap: | clever: in some theatres, yes. :P |
| [19:11:07] | wagnerrp: | the person renting it is either cheap, or doesnt think the movie is good enough to warrant the purchase of a ticket/dvd |
| [19:11:14] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | wagnerrp: not anymore, cinema is dying out... |
| [19:11:15] | AndyCap: | clever: http://www.smartmoney.com/spending/deals/comi . . . nack-police/ |
| [19:11:26] | wagnerrp: | Cap_J_L_Picard: there are dozens of movies i would pay to see in the theater |
| [19:11:32] | wagnerrp: | movies i already own on dvd |
| [19:11:36] | clever: | AndyCap: now if the theaters used digital projectors and digital distribution, couldnt they torrent it between eachother? |
| [19:11:38] | AndyCap: | be a while until I get an avatar capable home cinema |
| [19:11:39] | wagnerrp: | and/or hddvd/bluray |
| [19:11:49] | AndyCap: | clever: ideally, but they're no there yet. |
| [19:12:14] | wagnerrp: | clever: when you get to that scale, torrent doesnt make sense |
| [19:12:27] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | AndyCap: Avatar is different being made for 3D viewing (same with IMAX releases). |
| [19:12:31] | clever: | wagnerrp: scale asin peer count or scale asin filesize? |
| [19:12:45] | wagnerrp: | both |
| [19:13:00] | wagnerrp: | plus the fact that at distribution bandwidth is cheap |
| [19:13:24] | clever: | feels like it would be like linux .iso images, lots of seeds to make it go damn fast |
| [19:13:53] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: low seeds work fine on 100Mbit/s connections... |
| [19:13:55] | AndyCap: | Cap_J_L_Picard: different? dunno about that. |
| [19:14:29] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | AndyCap: general movie releases aren't that different at the cinema anymore... |
| [19:14:41] | AndyCap: | though they'll probably produce tons of 3d crap now looking at avatar's success, until people become technically proficient |
| [19:14:45] | wagnerrp: | clever: there is no need for it, they would just pay someone like akamai to provide temporary bandwidth for them |
| [19:15:00] | clever: | akamai? |
| [19:15:24] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | AndyCap: the 3D technology is already ready to be sold to end users, they just aren't. |
| [19:15:44] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: I doubt akamai is suited for delivering huge files to a few end users |
| [19:15:47] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: akamai is a content distribution network. |
| [19:16:26] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: well anyway, they would pay someone with a big fat pipe to send it for them |
| [19:16:36] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | Just seed it on a server themselves. And run their own tracker. |
| [19:16:40] | wagnerrp: | theyre huge files, but theyre only sending one or two a week, and only to a couple hundred locations |
| [19:16:49] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: looks like its just a huge mirror system |
| [19:16:54] | bjd: | akamai have a sneaky peering policy :p |
| [19:17:00] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | these companies are big production companies, they have fat pipes anyway. |
| [19:17:07] | bjd: | they generally require peers to host their kit |
| [19:17:28] | bjd: | so ISPs providing access to end users actually have a mirror internal to their network |
| [19:17:48] | AndyCap: | seems they're less than 300GB |
| [19:20:15] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: last time i saw the equipment (maybe 5 years ago), they were shipping them on a single 300GB hard drive |
| [19:20:37] | wagnerrp: | which they would then dump onto a multi-disk hardware raid to guarantee the required bandwidth |
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| [19:20:59] | wagnerrp: | and then had like a quarter rack of equipment stuffed into a cabinet holding the projector |
| [19:21:02] | AndyCap: | some sort of multicasting tech would be nice though. |
| [19:21:10] | AndyCap: | like, satellite. :P |
| [19:21:21] | wagnerrp: | you mean broadcasting? |
| [19:21:29] | AndyCap: | *cough* yes |
| [19:28:18] | wagnerrp: | wee! the users list got added to a spam list |
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| [19:39:14] | Jester05: | hey guys |
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| [20:00:39] | npm: | Does this mean my ATI RadeonHD won't be the suck for video eventually: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . pi&num=1 (how soon will xvba work for mythtv??) |
| [20:01:17] | wagnerrp: | XvBA will never be supported by MythTV for the simple fact that AMD will never release the documentation for it |
| [20:01:28] | npm: | dog |
| [20:01:31] | npm: | dog |
| [20:01:33] | npm: | doh i mean |
| [20:01:38] | npm: | but dog is applicable |
| [20:02:03] | wagnerrp: | what those drivers mean is that the hardware acceleration in those cards, implemented as XvBA, will be made available to the user space through VAAPI |
| [20:02:09] | npm: | well the opensource drivers are now faster than catalyst... so i guess we have to wait... |
| [20:02:35] | wagnerrp: | there is currently no VAAPI support in mythtv |
| [20:02:53] | wagnerrp: | however one of the devs is working on it for the polsubo platform (GMA500) |
| [20:03:20] | wagnerrp: | hopefully that will end up being all-encompassing for all VAAPI supported hardware |
| [20:03:52] | ** npm notes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA#GMA_500_on_Linux ** | |
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| [20:05:33] | npm: | seems similar... DRM + Gallium3d vs ATI's open/closed compromise |
| [20:06:33] | wagnerrp: | that release says only the 4000 series and better are supported |
| [20:06:45] | wagnerrp: | but apparently people are claiming success with even old 2000 series cards |
| [20:07:06] | npm: | which is actually avail as integrated graphics on several mobos (785) |
| [20:07:32] | wagnerrp: | i believe there is some form of integrated 4350 |
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| [20:08:31] | npm: | that's true, the next gen mobos after http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131398 ... have that ... will wait for them to stabilize |
| [20:08:41] | wagnerrp: | oh, the 785 is the one with a 4000 series chip |
| [20:09:03] | npm: | there's a next-gen followon to 785 |
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| [20:10:44] | wagnerrp: | not sure what you would intend to do with that board |
| [20:11:37] | npm: | makes for a great music computer :-) |
| [20:12:07] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:12:11] | wagnerrp: | too big/bulky/expensive/hot/... |
| [20:12:13] | kormoc: | anything makes a great music computer |
| [20:12:23] | kormoc: | but yeah, it's a huge one |
| [20:12:47] | npm: | microatx is about as small as i go these days |
| [20:12:49] | npm: | :-) |
| [20:13:02] | wagnerrp: | why? what do you need the slots and ports for? |
| [20:13:14] | npm: | sound cards |
| [20:13:27] | npm: | usb and firewire suck for audio |
| [20:13:30] | wagnerrp: | one is insufficient? |
| [20:13:43] | wagnerrp: | firewire sucks? i figured most professional hardware would come with a firewire option |
| [20:13:52] | npm: | it's good for a macintosh |
| [20:14:03] | npm: | but for pro-audio on linux, it's not reliable |
| [20:14:13] | wagnerrp: | its good for anything the requires any kind of performance |
| [20:14:17] | wagnerrp: | OS not required |
| [20:14:37] | npm: | too many layers of non-realtimeness |
| [20:14:58] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:15:18] | npm: | IMHO, firewire only works reliably with CCRMA's rt fedora kernel |
| [20:15:18] | kormoc: | Why would you want pro-audio level equipment to play your mp3/cd collection? |
| [20:15:44] | npm: | i don't want to play my mp3 collection, i want to make my mp3 collection |
| [20:16:01] | wagnerrp: | so this is production hardware |
| [20:16:06] | pest789_: | good morning |
| [20:16:07] | wagnerrp: | what are you doing running mythtv on it |
| [20:16:43] | npm: | that's a totally difft conversation... i was just wondering when my ati-containing mobos would become suitable for Htpc usage |
| [20:17:28] | pest789_: | wagnerrp: so distcc is the bee's knees. glad i stopped in here yesterday |
| [20:17:28] | npm: | if not for the lack of vdpau, a 785 or 890GX mobo would be very nice for hd video playback too |
| [20:17:46] | npm: | thus my question about XvBA vs Myth |
| [20:18:09] | wagnerrp: | very nice for hd video playback is a processor cable of handling it in software |
| [20:18:15] | wagnerrp: | adequate is VDPAU or VAAPI |
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| [20:19:28] | npm: | well a 785 or 890GX support PhenomII's overclocked pretty nicely. and my 3.4G phenomII is fine for mythtv front/backend with a 790GX mobo |
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| [20:20:12] | npm: | fine as in i can run it in "ondemand" mode and it still doesn't break a sweat |
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| [20:22:34] | npm: | what's making me break a sweat is figuring out why schedulesdirect insists on mislabelling all my digital tv channels. (3rd time i've erased channels and sources and restarted, and it still insists the PBS HD station is "E!") |
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| [20:23:29] | clever: | 2010-04–18 17:23:20.368 Preview Error: Remote Preview failed, reason given: ERROR_UNKNOWN |
| [20:23:33] | clever: | Illegal instruction (core dumped) |
| [20:23:39] | clever: | hmmmmmm |
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| [20:24:40] | clever: | ok, i can reproduce it in a shell |
| [20:25:13] | clever: | yep, this ones my fault |
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| [21:00:06] | pest789_: | after upgrading to .23 i'm getting a segfault on playback with both x264 and mpeg2 recordings |
| [21:00:23] | pest789_: | using the nvdpau normal profile |
| [21:00:39] | pest789_: | sorry vdpau |
| [21:00:46] | pest789_: | worked before .22 just fine |
| [21:00:49] | pest789_: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1866782 |
| [21:01:22] | pest789_: | *worked before IN .22 just fine |
| [21:02:32] | pest789_: | mythfrontend version: branches/release-0-23-fixes [24178] |
| [21:03:44] | gbee: | pest789_: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [21:04:13] | pest789_: | oh that's a good idea for a place to start :o) |
| [21:05:01] | pest789_: | bbiab |
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| [21:22:01] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | wagnerrp: so you suggest software decoding over handling it on the video card? |
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| [21:33:04] | [R]: | when X is running... my ssh is VERY sluggish and i usually have to hit every key twice... has anyone ever seen that? ssh into the box running X |
| [21:33:23] | [R]: | its my frontend and i dont ssh into it much... but its quite annoying |
| [21:33:55] | gbee: | the capture side of HVR-1400 works? First time I've actually bothered to look at the device and it's actually pretty appealing |
| [21:34:10] | gbee: | sorry HVR-4000 |
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| [21:40:22] | fresswolf: | hi there |
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| [21:42:05] | fresswolf: | can I use a utf-8 characterset in my mysql database for mythtv 0.22? |
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| [21:42:17] | gbee: | *sigh* |
| [21:42:35] | pest789_: | never used gdb before and trying to get a trace for mythfrontend. it's been chugging away for several minutes now with no visible output yet from mythfrontend and 100% cpu usage. is that normal? |
| [21:43:27] | gbee: | fresswolf: just leave the database well alone, if you are upgrading from a previous version where you've messed with the database charset then you probably have some cleanup work to do |
| [21:43:43] | gbee: | but otherwise, hands off the database |
| [21:43:51] | fresswolf: | gbee: thanks! |
| [21:45:41] | gbee: | don't believe anything you've read about changing database charsets in previous versions, it was mis-information spread by a few clueless users :/ MythTV has _always_ used UTF8, just not always native UTF8 in the database since earlier versions of mysql didn't support it |
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| [21:47:08] | Cubber: | how do I skip a channel in the channel scan. It keeps hanging at channel 69 saying NOLOCK |
| [21:47:21] | highzeth: | its hard to lock in a 69 |
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| [21:47:46] | Cubber: | lol |
| [21:55:10] | Cubber: | I guess the channel scan doesnt really matter as long as my scheduals direct linup is working |
| [21:55:16] | Cubber: | seems I can hit all the stations even without the scan |
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| [21:59:07] | highzeth: | sorry, cant be of any help, on the other side of the pond, SD not avail here =) |
| [21:59:29] | jpabq: | Any udev gurus here? Everytime I upgrade the packages on my system, it re-installs gpsd since it thinks it is a dependency of KDE. Every time I use rpm to then remove gpsd because it's udev rule grabs onto my USB->serial adaptors that I use to change channels on my Directv boxes. Anyone know how to get my udev rule to take precedence over gpsd's udev rule? |
| [21:59:33] | Cubber: | no worries its working as expected |
| [22:00:45] | pest789_: | jpabq: you're not talking about simply making it run first, correct? |
| [22:01:58] | jpabq: | pest789_, right. My rule is 45-hdpvr.rules. the gpsd is called 99-gpsd.rules, so mine should be found first, and yet the 99-gpsd.rules clobbers mine. |
| [22:02:38] | pest789_: | oh I've got nothing for you then |
| [22:02:55] | jpabq: | pest789_, thanks for trying. |
| [22:03:00] | pest789_: | sounds like a pretty dumb rule to have on a desktop though |
| [22:04:06] | AndyCap: | jpabq: there's some option to say it's the last rule |
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| [22:04:57] | pest789_: | AndyCap: like 'stop doing rules for this device, it's mine now?' |
| [22:04:57] | AndyCap: | OPTIONS="last_rule" or something like that |
| [22:05:04] | AndyCap: | yes |
| [22:05:09] | pest789_: | cool |
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| [22:06:48] | jpabq: | AndyCap, thanks, I will investigate |
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| [22:09:41] | fresswolf: | I live in Switzerland and will therefore use xmltv for the program guide. but in mythtv-setup there is only North America (SchedulesDirect.org) and EIT listed. what am I supposed to do? |
| [22:13:06] | [R]: | you sure you have xmltv installed? |
| [22:13:10] | [R]: | what errors are on the stdout? |
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| [22:14:42] | fresswolf: | I've installed it from my packet manager, but haven't done anything further yet |
| [22:15:16] | [R]: | ok... and for my second question |
| [22:15:19] | fresswolf: | I can't see stdout because it's running in fullscreen |
| [22:15:27] | [R]: | so quit it |
| [22:18:39] | fresswolf: | there is no error |
| [22:18:59] | fresswolf: | XMLTVFindGrabbers: Running 'tv_find_grabbers baseline'. |
| [22:19:09] | fresswolf: | XMLTVFindGrabbers: We timed out waiting |
| [22:19:15] | fresswolf: | XMLTVFindGrabbers: Running 'tv_find_grabbers baseline'. |
| [22:19:16] | [R]: | sounds like you need to set it up somehow |
| [22:19:31] | fresswolf: | XMLTVFindGrabbers: Finished running tv_find_grabbers |
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| [22:25:00] | pest789_: | >: ( – recompiled .23 with debug stuff and it playback worked fine so i thought maybe i didn't distclean or something and recompiled without debug. now it doesn't work again |
| [22:25:04] | pest789_: | fml |
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| [22:27:47] | [R]: | pest789_: by attempting to observe the problem (adding debug)... you've changed the problem |
| [22:28:08] | pest789_: | plus, the cat is now dead |
| [22:29:40] | [R]: | cat? |
| [22:29:44] | [R]: | oh |
| [22:29:47] | [R]: | n/m |
| [22:29:50] | [R]: | took me a few seconds to get it |
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| [22:31:40] | pest789_: | am I better off with the RC build from 4/1 or the newest commit in .23 fixes? |
| [22:34:00] | [R]: | depends on whats been fxied since then |
| [22:34:04] | [R]: | and if it effects you |
| [22:34:15] | pest789_: | yeah i'm going through the logs |
| [22:34:30] | pest789_: | guess i'll try the RC and see if the segfault goes away |
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| [22:56:22] | [R]: | omg |
| [22:56:24] | [R]: | i found my new love |
| [22:56:28] | [R]: | a tool called equivs |
| [22:56:42] | [R]: | lets you create fake deb packages |
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| [23:12:42] | pest789_: | well this is frustrating – should i just recompile with debug on and run it that way to get it to not segfault? is that a viable option? |
| [23:13:01] | pest789_: | (not sure what adding debug symbols and stuff will do to performance) |
| [23:13:32] | pest789_: | or can I roll back to .22 with the db already upgraded? |
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| [23:52:36] | fresswolf: | does anyone get this xmltv thing? |
| [23:53:35] | fresswolf: | when i run mythfilldatabase it says that ~/.mythtv/xmltv.xmltv, which is called the XMLTV config file, is missing |
| [23:54:33] | fresswolf: | there is a file called ~/.mythtv/.xmltv, which has a channel listing in it, though |
| [23:54:49] | fresswolf: | should I rename this to xmltv.xmltv now? |
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